Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - HelmetGate, Patrick Meh-Homes & Grumpy Tom Brady

Episode Date: November 19, 2019

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Pam Holmes and the Chiefs just stay above water. And yes, I was wrong about Lamar Jackson. It's Tuesday, November 19th, and this is Jeff Schwartz is Smarter Than You. I hope you had a great weekend. And it was a wild weekend of NFL football. Obviously, what happened Thursday, we had stuff off the field that happened on Saturday. We had the games this weekend as well, Sunday.

We have a clear-cut favorite now, in my opinion, in the NFL. We'll talk all about that with producer Gabe Goodwin. Gabe, what's going on, buddy? Hey, my man. You were... Twitter fingers were firing this weekend. You've been busy. Well, yeah.

It probably was too much, but the problem is people just don't understand. They don't understand things. Well, listen. That's why we got this show, baby. That's why you're here to straighten us out. We're going to talk about it. I think it's our second topic, the Mason Rudolph, Miles Garrett thing. To me, it seems very simple, and i don't know why people are missing it so we'll get to that but i know you want to start with the game that we saw last night in

mexico city between the chiefs and the chargers yeah so the chiefs they looked fine you know mahomes was uh more like meh homes if we're being honest, right? Several missed throws, a pick, lots of scrambling backwards to then throw it away. 182 passing yards, his least ever in a game that he finished. That's telling. So not really the MVP guy we thought before knee injury. I'm concerned. I'll just ask what I see many others tweeting. The Chiefs sent a rep to Colin Kaepernick's workout on Saturday.

Why not sign him as a backup? We know they're using their backup this season. Why not get this guy? So we'll get to that in just a second. Cause I want to talk about the game last night. You just skipping right through it. All right. Cause I don't want to start with that.

We'll get, cause it's not, it's an easy answer. I want to start with, we saw last night. The chiefs don't look great and Mahomes does not look healthy. Well, yeah, but they have a bye week now. So let's slow down with they have a bye week now. Andy Reid after a bye is like 16-2. They have three division games at home. They're going to be the AFC West champions,

especially if they beat Oakland coming out of the bye, which I believe they play out of the bye. That's correct. They're going to be fine. The question is, is the offense going to be better? And you're right. Palma Holmes last night. Now, he ran the ball pretty well, but just his pocket presence really,

and it really has been this way almost the entire season, has just been a little different this year. He's been fitting out of the back of the pocket a bunch more often than usual. He doesn't feel comfortable about it. And I get it. His offensive line, for the most part, has been very hurt. Now, last night, they had everyone back for the first time since week two.

Eric Fisher, left tackle, looked a little bit rusty. My brother, who ended his streak last week, was back and played every snap. And LDT was back at right guard. There were some issues at pass protection, but nonetheless, the offense just looks a little bit disjointed right now. And the bye should fix

that. I'm confident in Andy Reid and his ability to get this offense back on track. I mean, he's shown the ability to do that. The defense, though, is the biggest improvement. They had taken a step back against the Titans, and we had a Frank Clark game last night. First time Frank Clark all season had really taken over a game who the Chiefs traded for, and that was great to see. Really great to see.

And look, the buy's coming up, like I said this week. They're going to be fine. They're going to be fine. Now, the Colin Kaepernick thing with the Chiefs. So I believe it ended up only being seven teams went to the revised workout that was held outside the Atlanta Falcons. One of those teams was the Chiefs. And the question, of course, everyone had was,

are the Chiefs going to sign him? And should they sign him? I don't think they're going to sign him. Should they sign him? I don't have a great answer for that. Can Colin Kaepernick play in the NFL? Yes. Is he a starter in the NFL?

I think for some teams he could be. Is it more likely he's a backup for most teams as of right now? Yes. The reason why you send scouts to these events is because you're never satisfied with your roster. And you're always looking to find the next player to play on your team. And maybe Palma Holmes gets hurt for the season. Colin Kaepernick is that guy. However, look, Gabe, he's been out of football almost three seasons now.

He's not going to walk back in and be ready to play in a week or two. This is, I think, the workout and not getting the politics of the workout, but if teams were to sign him now, let's say, I think most often they're signing him for next season. Get him in the building, get him acclimated to practicing again, to playing football again. Maybe he plays week 16, 17, but really it's more to look toward 2020. So that's what the Chiefs are doing. They're doing their due diligence on players, as they should do, but I do not think they're going to sign him. But look, Andy Reid's taken chances before, right? He signed Mike Vick. They don't seem to have

issues with distractions on their team, right? They're able to focus and play without those, but I don't think they're gonna sign them okay uh we don't need to dig in on whether or not they will or they should i just i think that the questions people are asking are valid and that team amongst all the others jumped out right we saw a lot of losing teams or teams that kind of like whatever send an intern who cares you know which is probably what the eagles did uh did jetson and D.C. had reps there? I'm sure they could consider a new quarterback. But seeing the Chiefs, who have the best quarterback in the league when he's healthy,

it did make me wonder. And it's not like their backup is some guy who's ready at all times. He missed last season, so it's not like there's no precedent for bringing a guy back after missing a year. season. So it's not like there's no precedent for bringing a guy back after missing a year. If there was a physical sort of comparison to what Patrick Mahomes can do on a football field, the closest thing I can think of would be Colin Kaepernick. That's why it jumped out to people on those seven teams. Well, I mean, yes and no. I mean, Pat's a much better passer than he is. I mean, physically speaking, Colin Kaepernick is a better athlete than Mahomes is. Remember, Pat Mahomes is athletic, but he doesn't really run very much.

I know last night he hit the long run. When he breaks the pocket, he's looking to throw the ball first. He can run, of course, but he's not actually trying to do that. He's trying to extend the play and use his arm downfield to make a play. Again, guys, this is something that I think is not stressed enough, is that if someone signs Colin Kaepernick, he's not walking in right away and playing well or playing at all because he's been out for three years.

Can he come back in a facility, get a month of practice in him? Remember, this time of year, too, it's scout team practice. He's not running with the ones. He's doing whatever the scout team has to do like he's not setting up to play right now it was to if someone want to sign him now it would be most most likely now of course someone might play him late in the year but for next season right get him in the in the building now get him reps get him back in the routine and compete for a job in camp next year so i know that people were excited to maybe see him get signed.

But that really is the reason I think teams would sign him now is for 2020. Okay. Well, that's interesting. And I haven't heard too many people put it that way. Let me just ask you one more on Patrick Mahomes thing while we got a second year. So I saw him do the thing that for years we've praised him for. But now I don't know what it is. It just doesn't look the same to me.

years we've praised him for but now I don't know what it is it just doesn't look the same to me sort of scrambling backwards rolling kind of to his left and then doing that like open up the hips and just flip the ball and we even saw a what what could have been a completion to Kelsey who got shoved out of bounds later in the game and it was like one of those perfect Mahomes you know highlights except it didn't really work out and there were several where he just threw it away. Technically speaking, do you like to see a guy kind of roll deep and to the left and then open up and flip the ball like that, even though we know he can do it, should he do it? Well, the reason why he does it, because it's worked for a long period of time.

And we even saw last night the touchdown to Kelsey. He's able to just buy himself a little bit more time. But the problem, and I think what you're saying is pretty accurate, is that he does it when he doesn't have to do it. And so I think you get intoxicated as a playmaker, whether quarterback, running back, wide receiver. When you do things that aren't fundamentally sound and they work, you're going to keep doing them, even when you don't need to, because it's always worked for me.

That's one thing I've noticed this year is, and it may have coincided with his leg being beat up, not his knee, but even memory of the ankle injury as well for a little bit of time, that he doesn't feel as comfortable like stepping in the pocket and getting hit, right? He's trying to, and it's fine to avoid it. Everyone does it.

I mean, Tom Brady, geez, he throws a ball on the ground the first second someone sniffs him um and so that's that that's some things that i think he has to work on next season i don't know if it's going to change now but just kind of having maybe more of a presence in the pocket itself instead of kind of fading out of the pocket like he does a lot of times that you know really uh aren't necessary yeah i mean and every now and then it makes for these magical moments, but it feels a little bit more like James Harden than LeBron, you know, like running around doing this crazy elaborate thing. And every now and then it's the best looking thing of the week.

But it's like, geez, man, that just kind of would have been simpler if you just pulled up right there and shot a 10 footer. Like you didn't need to do all that stuff. I don't know. I did worry. But I will say like on the Kelseysey touchdown last night though he had to do that like that that made the touchdown and it's great it's great to have that in in your tool belt but it just shouldn't be a go-to that's all all right let's move it along uh we're several days removed from garrett gate you know we don't want to relive the whole damn thing i think we've heard plenty of

hot takes on it i think the number one word used in the last several days was inexcusable. We can all agree Miles shouldn't have done what he did, right? A lot of time spent talking about the length of his suspension. Let's shift over to the other guy involved, to Mason Rudolph. I'm seeing a lot of people, including Browns players, other NFL players, former players, analysts, people whose opinions matter, who believe he deserved a suspension too. And I got to say, I rewatched this video several times. players, other NFL players, former players, analysts, people whose opinions matter, who believe he deserved a suspension too. And I got to say, I rewatched this video several times.

To whatever degree my opinion matters, I think I'm with those people. It feels like he instigated this. And if people are getting suspended, and we know a few guys involved did, he deserves one too. The length is for other people to debate, you know, the appeal, all that stuff for other people. But this was an ugly incident and he's a big part of why. And I think he deserves a suspension too. A lot of people on the Twitter machine would agree with me. Okay. So let's go over. I already don't want to rehash it, but we have to talk about this. Okay. So here's what happened. Ready? Mason Rudolph throws the football. Miles Garrett tackles him hard, whatever. It wasn't a flag. So then Mason Rudolph is pissed off.

He goes to grab Garrett's helmet. It doesn't come off. So Garrett's upset, of course. They're rolling around on the ground at this point after a clean play, and he's instantly got his hands on the man's face mask. No, no. He had it on the back of his helmet. And he's trying to pull it from the mask.

He's upset. He fails. Then Miles Garrett grabs him by his face mask and ragdolls him up in the air. I do not think Mason Rudolph was kicking him in the groin. I think he was trying to push off of Miles Garrett. I've seen guys get kicked in the groin before. They react

a little differently than Miles Garrett did. Typically that feels painful and you react at all. I don't think he was trying to kick him in the groin. they react a little differently than miles garrett did typically that's that feels painful and you react at all and i think i don't think he was trying to kick him the right maybe he was maybe i'm wrong um but miles here also had him up in the air with both hands on his face mask he then rips off his helmet and at that point gabe at that point we're even now at that point we're even basically rudolph trying to rip his helmet off he missed miles garrett took his helmet off he got a flag for that but nonetheless now we're even. Mason Rudolph tried to rip his helmet off. He missed. Miles Garrett took his helmet off. He got a flag for that, but nonetheless, now we're even, right? We are now even. The fight is even, okay? This is a typical

fight that happens in the NFL. In practice, in games, guys try to take each other. I've been in a fight before where my helmet got knocked off. I get punched in the face. It happens. It was no one got suspended. No one got in trouble. And up until that point, even at the point where David DeCastro, the Steelers offensive lineman,

66 kind of got in the middle of miles. Gary miles. Gary was not offering resistance to, to, to, to DeCastro. He was kind of moving Garrett away from the situation. DeCastro wasn't being aggressive.

It wasn't hitting him. And at that point, there are no suspensions handed out for either party, none for Garrett, none for Rudolph, none for DeCastro, none for Pouncey, none for the other Cleveland Browns defensive lineman who got a suspension. None. Zero. Even when Mason Rudolph runs over to Miles Garrett,

if Miles Garrett does not hit him with his helmet, there are still zero suspensions handed out for Rudolph, for Garrett. Zero. None. All fines maybe. That's it. Then Garrett hits Rudolph with the helmet, and he gets Rudolph for Garrett. Zero, none. All fines maybe, that's it. Then Garrett hits Rudolph with the helmet and he gets suspended for that. So basically you're telling me, Gabe, that you want Mason Rudolph to be suspended for getting hit with his own helmet.

Because up until that point, there were no suspensions handed out, none. And when you say he should be suspended for getting hit in the top of the head with a helmet, by the way, look, thankfully it wasn't the crown of the helmet because that would have been – our reaction to the play would be different if he was hit with the crown of the helmet because that would have busted his head open and we would have a different discussion than we did

because he hit the bottom of the helmet where kind of like the bladder is like sitting there. So there's no real weight in that side of the helmet. And everything from there, obviously, Pouncey suspended and the other hit on Rudolph was suspension. And I agree with those. I think Pouncey was probably gained too long, but we'll see his appeal. So again, Rudolph did instigate the first part of that.

There's nothing he did that instigated him getting hit in the head with a helmet. Like I said, I've been in fights before. I've seen plenty of fights in the practice room. I've seen fights in the game before. At no time does a player ever expect to be hit in the head. It was interesting seeing ex-players talk. Well, he wanted that smoke and he got that smoke.

Guys, we know as NFL players that if we're going to run up on someone, yeah, you might get punched in the face. You're not going to get hit in the head with a helmet. How do we not know that? I lost a lot of respect for some guys that i liked that could not discuss this um without piecing out what actually happened and it felt like a big mob wanted to suspend rudolph for things that he would not get suspended for if he didn't get hit with his helmet okay so you broke that into a couple different acts and it sounds like we can all, and this is why the word inexcusable keeps coming up, in Act 2 of this fight, all blame is on Miles Garrett.

What he did was terrible, and he's lucky, actually, that he didn't do more damage, or he would have been facing an even bigger problem, right? But Act 1 felt entirely in control of the quarterback in the situation he overreacted he pushed it further and if it blew up into this team-wide thing all the other guys who did what they did were caused by his action so no it was caused by miles garrett hitting the dude in the helmet in the head like mike pouncey doesn't go over and kick Myles Garrett in the head if he doesn't hit Rudolph in the head. We're into an area that doesn't make anyone a smarter football fan, so I don't want to waste too much time here.

But what you're telling me is that if Myles Garrett, who's angry with Mason Rudolph, elects to tear the helmet off, hold that in his right hand, and then take a killer left hook to the face of mason rudolph everyone's like oh that's cool that's in no he probably would have been suspended for that but i think he actually would have been right but again again though we're you're so again but people are trying to claim that the helmet is what makes this so extraordinary well he tore his helmet off to hurt the dude and then he tried to hurt the dude. If he'd hurt him another way, it would have been just as bad.

No, it wouldn't have. No, it wouldn't have. Why? If he would have punched him in the face, he would have gone like two games. He punched someone in the face in week one this season. Miles Garrett did. Guys get punched in the face in the NFL.

It would have been suspended a couple games. That's it. There's an expectation. If you're going to fight someone in the NFL, you're going to get punched in the face in the NFL. It would have been suspended a couple games. That's it. There's an expectation. If you're going to fight someone in the NFL, you're going to get punched in the face probably. And it's not great. It's not good for optics. But that happens in the league. And by the way, I will say one more point to this.

And I looked this up. Like, Indomitian Sioux, by the way, who's a very dirty football player, he has never been suspended for a first incident. Right? So Mason Rudolph, there was no grounds to suspend him at any point in this altercation whatsoever. And really, there was no grounds to suspend Myles Garrett up until he hit him with his helmet. Okay, so then help me as a player.

This is where we can get a little smarter. A lot of people are speculating, probably irresponsibly, about what guys might have been saying in that scrum. Yeah, we're not going. That tweet got deleted in five minutes. Let's not add our guesses to that. But obviously, you know, everyone is angering each other somehow, and that could come from the way someone is all game long in their life.

It can be more than that moment that leads to that moment, right? So I want to know. You're saying your helmet's been torn off. You've been in fights. You've been punched in the back. What causes that? How do we get there because you just because emotions dude it's an emotional game like this is like i try to tell people the but you're a nice guy who punched you in the face what did you do or say that got you punched in the face okay i'll tell you the story yeah because i because i think it's instructive first of all though um this is

what i tell me about playing the NFL. And it took me some time to learn how to do this as a football player. Because I'm not naturally aggressive. I don't try to fight people on the street. I don't really ever get angry at anybody. I mean, you've been around me, what, three years now? I don't really ever raise my voice. I'm not an angry person.

I've tried to get you angry. It doesn't work. but you have to like flip a switch in a game, in a practice, really more game for me, to like to be nasty, to be dirty. It's a violent game. Think about this. You're sitting in your locker and it's the only sport, maybe rugby and hockey, even hockey,

this pisses hockey bros off. It's not as physical as the NFL. I know you guys have hits and you play through broken bones, knocking all that. But you have to sit there in your locker before a game and think, like, I'm about to have three hours of a combative sport where the person across from me is trying to injure me,

like trying to run through me, trying to throw me to the ground, trying to hit me as hard as they can. And if you play the game in a manner where you're not accepting of that, you're going to get first hurt and you won't play very long in the NFL. So that's why the game is so emotional. Because you can imagine, Gabe, if you got hit once, you'd be pretty emotional about it, right? Yeah, you're only strengthening what will be my point 45 times in a game um what your point is that it's okay for him to hit him on top of the helmet because no it's that we as fans have to accept that we're rooting for this to be all the

way up to the line for the full 60 minutes this happened at the 60th minute and we're like oh gosh why did he take it that far we wanted wanted simulated violence nonstop for an hour. Because that's extra. I know you want up your line. I'm not excusing it. And even people, look, you remember the jacked up segments? Everyone loves that segment. It's not only the dude anymore because it's anybody.

They can't because too many guys were getting hurt and we realized, wait a sec, let's not celebrate that. You know what's even worse than the Miles Garrett thing? That dude, the Steelers wide receiver got hit in the side of the helmet it was like bleeding from his ear now i think it was more of a superficial cut like it was like a brain brain a brain bleed like that to me is more scarier than the miles garrett hitting him with his you know with his helmet of course he hit him with like i said the other side of the helmet um do you hear the story the time i got hit in the head well yeah because i because i seriously don't understand how you got punched or hit.

Well, okay, so it was 2011. I'm on the Panthers, and things weren't going very well. I was hurt. I didn't realize it yet. I had practiced like two weeks, and I had hip surgery. So we had a new offensive line coach, and he was very old school. He liked guys to kind of rough it up in practice, and I think that at that time, fighting was still kind of okay in practice.

So I wasn't playing well. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to start a fight because I want to be in the good graces of my coach. So Dan Conner, Penn State linebacker, same draft class as me. So we're at practice. And we run blocking. I grab Dan. And I just like, after the play's over, I block him.

And after the play's over, I really him. And then after the play's over, I like – I really lay it. I throw him to the ground. So he gets up, pushes me in the back, and then we go at it. And then like in the middle of that process, I got tackled from behind. My helmet fell off. I think Dan punched me in the face. I'm not sure he punched me in the face. Someone did.

I was on the ground actually because I was on my knees. Someone tackled me from behind and got hit right in the – kind of like a cut above my eye but all our coach loved it though so okay so in your situation you just gave us a whole motive and rationale for how you began a fight how you were you were gonna get something out of it but then he was the one who punched you so to to the casual observer he would have been oh, oh, man, that's too much. That's wrong. But you made it happen.

No, that's what happens. No one was upset with it. Okay. But so apply that to this current situation. He used his helmet to hit him in the head. That's the difference. That's the difference. Okay.

Fair enough. I know you're supposed to argue with me. I get it. I'm not doing this in general. Tell me you understand the difference. Please. I i need to know you're a very smart individual i agree for usc you're still very bright what tell me you understand the difference in that i understand fully the difference between hitting somebody with a helmet that could kill them and hitting someone with a fist which for some reason is common my fist could give someone a little bit

of trouble uh Yeah, man. Go watch Con Air again if you aren't sure. The fist can be a deadly weapon, everyone. The point is only that I think we don't need to relitigate Garrett. He is wrong. He did a bad thing. He even knows it. Players who have said, I still support him as a human, but he's wrong.

I don't think he's a bad human. That's right. So those people, I agree with all those takes. I'm just asking what a lot of people are asking. Why isn't Mason Rudolph to blame? I'm not even getting into all the things that probably make people hate him, which aren't relevant right now. But that is part of the discussion why people want him suspended, I think.

You guys can go look all that stuff up like that that's that's not we cannot we cannot pretend that's not why some people are upset with him so i hate to say we're gonna move on and then not move on but like we're gonna half open this can of worms do do players personal beliefs their reputation away from the field factor into how they act on the field you told us early this year baker was going to get some extra this year because of all the stuff he didn't set away from the field yeah not the same apply no no i don't think it applies for that okay so so how you live your life what i think it applies doesn't i mean i think it applies to how they're covered in the

media okay so you think players can just sort of put all that aside and not worry about what a guy believes away from them? Okay, when I was in Detroit in 2016, so it was like heading up to the election, right? Me and a buddy, it was actually two of us. It was me and one of our offensive linemen, one of our tight ends. We talked politics every single day. I was, me and my buddy were on one

side and the other guy was on the far other side, okay? And we talked every single day, every single day. Hillary, Trump, policies, taxes, you know, all this stuff, right? Border wall, everything, okay? And we were friends. Like, we're not practiced together. We hung out together. Like, now, obviously, I might be more tolerant about it than other people are. But, like, I have friends who voted for the other side that I don't like. I mean, it is what it is. Like, I'm still friendly with them. Some, not as much anymore because I think they've gone too far in one way.

But I'm mostly friends with most people that I know that I was friends with before that voted for the person, you know. But still, like, I – so, no no i do not think that players on the field are like well mason rudolph likes x person that's why i'm gonna go after him but i definitely think the media there are some tins to the way this has been covered because of that i think you have to agree with me on that i of course i do and i'm dying to go further with it but i think i think that the audience will not want to hear our opinion on that angle. So I think it's better that we move to another guy who's polarizing for his views away from the field, but pretty much universally agreed the greatest of all time on it.

That's Tom Brady. And my guy Brady, and I say that very sarcastically, my guy Brady is not having any fun. Too bad, Tom. He did a Belichick impersonation in postgame presser that lasted less than two minutes the other day. Here's a taste of Tom Brady being mopey. Yeah, I think that's right.

Practice execution. Yeah. I don't have any more. I don't know. Up and down is what it looks like to me. Yeah, we'd probably do everything better. Well, we just played for three hours, so I think everyone's a little tired. yeah we'd probably do everything better well we just played for three hours so i think everyone's a little tired okay so you could call that boredom or just being you know

tight to the vest whatever you want to call it he's pissed and we know why he's pissed he has no weapons on offense all the shine of this pats team which looks like the best team in the afc is going to bill belichick because apparently he calls plays on defense and now all of a sudden he's focused on defense they got the best defense in the AFC, is going to Bill Belichick because apparently he calls plays on defense, and now all of a sudden he's focused on defense. They've got the best defense in the league. No one's talking about Tom Brady in the offense. Okay? You could tell me, and I'm sure you're about to,

this is just the Pats being the Pats. Don't overthink it. It's not a big deal. They'll figure it out. I see a real problem between Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, interpersonal problem. They're going to win games, but they're Bill Belichick. Interpersonal problem. They're going to win games, but they're pissed at each other. It's clear.

It's passive-aggressive nonsense, and they're both doing it. Well, I don't think they're pissed at each other. I think maybe Brady's pissed that he doesn't have enough weapons. Whose fault would that be? The guy who runs the entire team, who doesn't give him weapons, who's focused on defense. Well, no, they drafted a first-round wide receiver. He just came back yesterday.

He's a rookie. He played his first game as a rookie on Sunday, so he has not much to count on. They didn't replace Gronk. Well, that's really the thing that I think is the most troubling part of this offense is there's no middle of the field threat anymore, and there's no security blanket, right? We saw in the Asia Championship game, even, you know, even Super Bowl,

hey, you need to play, go to Gronk. They don't have that guy right now. That's their biggest problem. It's not really that they don't have guys. I mean, they have Sanu and Nikhil Harry now and Julian Edelman and Ben Watson. They have a decent amount of playmakers. They just don't have the guy. They don't have the guy that, you know, it's third and eight.

Who's Tom Brady going to do? They have to rely on the scheme now more to get have the guy that, you know, it's third and eight. Who's Tom Brady? Go. Do they have to rely on the scheme now more to get guys open than just, hey, Gronk, here's one-on-one. Go make a play. I think that's the biggest difference in their offense right now. And probably what frustrates Brady the most is that he's just not that guy right now.

And the offensive line has been okay at times. They get Isaiah Wynn back, I believe. He'll play left tackle. That'll really, really them um moving forward um and so that's that's probably what bothers him more than anything but they have a get right game this weekend against the cowboys defense so okay i probably feel better about that so i'm going deeper with this i believe not that tom brady's in there scanning his mentions but I believe that he is aware that right now everyone is saying he's washed,

he's just hanging on for dear life. People have said that for three years. Hmm? People have said this for three years now. Okay. He's aware of it, though, and that's why he keeps on doubling down and saying he's going to play to 47 or 112

or however the hell old he expects to live. He's going to keep going. And you know what keeps happening? They bring it to Coach, and Coach ain't having it. Coach will not address the topic of Tom Brady continuing to play. If you believe in the myth of Brady and Belichick, what could make Bill Belichick happier than the idea of Tom Brady playing for infinity? Except he doesn't like that idea,

because then it makes it confusing who is the winner here. Who's the guy who made this dynasty belichick or brady they both think it's them and belichick has a little bit more control belichick's the guy who can withhold pieces from tom brady belichick's the guy who can come up with the strategy belichick's the guy who's always considered the mastermind and now that the defense is playing great brady has nothing to do with that they're both aware of this and they're playing games and it's going to be a problem jeff you're not a shrink but you are a football expert you that the defense is playing great. Brady has nothing to do with that. They're both aware of this, and they're playing games, and it's going to be a problem, Jeff.

You're not a shrink, but you are a football expert, and you know quarterbacks and coaches well. Gabe, we're falling into the trap, Gabe. Falling into the trap, Gabe. Every year we have this conversation, right? Every year they lose to the Chiefs in 2014 by 500 on Monday Night Football. This is it, right? This is it. Two years ago, a big article comes out.

Belichick and Brady don't get along. Jimmy G was traded because he was close to playing, and Belichick wanted him to play one day. We keep falling in this trap game, and every single year, what do they do? Make it back to Super Bowl. I'm not falling in the trap. I'm not doing it.

Oh, they're a Terminator and a zombie, and listen, that's a problem I've lived with my whole life. I'm not falling in the trap. I'm not doing it. Oh, they're a Terminator and a zombie. And listen, that's a problem I've lived with my whole life. I'm not falling in the trap. I'm not doing it. So you refuse to acknowledge that maybe it's different this year. Yeah, because, I mean, offensively it's different this year. This is probably the worst offense they've had in making a run to the Super Bowl in a long time. I think that's since 2003.

But I still think that's since 2003. But I still think it doesn't matter because they probably have the one seed. And if they have the one seed, obviously, they're probably going to win, even though Baltimore is playing really well right now. Baltimore is right now the best, I'd say the best team in the NFL. Remember, they're still 9-1.

They're not some schmoes. If they beat the Cowboys this weekend, it looks even better, right? So they're making do. They're making do. Okay. Keep an eye on the friction between those two guys. You mentioned the Ravens, and that was odd how you just sort of slid in there that they look like the best team right now. So you've already sort of eaten your raven on twitter and acknowledged that you've been probably wrong about lamar jackson or at least you've taken it too far in your criticism so i i don't even need to remind people all the things you've said i just like to hear you in audio form instead of twitter form explain to us what you

feel you've been wrong about with lamar jackson who's obviously the fbp it's obviously working this year. I mean, that's what I thought. I thought it wouldn't work, and it obviously has. So I can't be ignorant and say that it's not working right now because it clearly is. They're dominating teams, and it's working. And again, do I think it's going to work for three to five years?

Probably not. But it doesn't matter. It's working now. And if they can win the Super Bowl this year, who cares? They won the Super Bowl. So it's working. The Ravens have bought into it. They put together the offense with the tight ends and Mark Ingram to fit what Lamar Jackson does really well.

No one can even catch Lamar Jackson ever. So he can't even tackle the guy. So he's avoiding hits, which was a worry of mine this season, was the durability of Lamar Jackson. He runs the ball so much. But again, if you run the ball, no one's able to catch him. Who cares? It doesn't even matter if he's going to get hurt or not, because no one catches him.

So I was wrong about it. I mean, he's got 115 rushing attempts. This is wild. But he's averaging almost seven yards a carry. So he's doing something right. And I'd be stupid if I just stood by my opinion that it wasn't going to work when it clearly is. It clearly is.

To be fair to you, what you told us a long time was they don't have a way to win if they don't get out early. They need to play from ahead. Which is true, yeah. And you told us against tough defenses who are playing tighter in colder weather i.e the playoffs yeah that this won't work so i want to know do you are you sticking with that asterisk or not i i still am because a we have well we haven't seen it yet right obviously we saw one instance last year where it did not work um but just if you

like i said i think i mentioned this last week on the podcast. If you look at the amount of rushing attempts for, quote-unquote, mobile quarterbacks, right, they go way down in the playoffs because you just, for some reason, like I said, teams focus in more. You're playing better defenses. You just don't run it now. This might, we'll obviously be able to tell early on in this year. But I'll tell you what, they probably play the Chiefs in the second game in their division around, the first game I showed you in division around.

The Chiefs, I need to study this. The Chiefs have weirdly played really well against Lamar Jackson. I don't know why. Their defense is not terribly great. They were up 30-10 in that game before it got a little bit closer. And then last year they played them pretty well. I don't know why they're able to stop the run because the run defense is not very good. So it's kind of interesting that that's a thing

that the Chiefs can do. But we just haven't seen it work in the playoffs before. And I don't have, you know, you asked me to come up with a way to stop this offense. You know, I think that the Chargers, what they did in the playoffs is still a great way. But the issue with that now is that the Ravens got bigger, right? So if you do the 3-3-5 the Chargers did last year,

so that's three defensive linemen, three linebackers, and five defensive backs, well, they have a bunch of tight ends now. Just kind of run it down your throat on the edge and match up against safeties. That's not good. So I don't know what's going to stop them uh turnovers obviously will be a big part of it but if your offense can get out it's like a 14 nothing lead or 10 nothing lead that changes i think how the ravens a little bit have to operate on offense um but look they have the feel man they're they're healthy as can be they obviously can run the football they played their defense

got much better since peters got there and they there. And things just break their way, right? I mean, look, Hopkins was interfered with. It was clear as day. They're not going to overturn our replays. They never do. But if that gets called, it's first and goal with a one. And Houston goes up 7-0. And the game changes, right? But instead, it didn't happen. And it's a big break. Yeah, we're going to get to the Hopkins play a little later. I want to bring up something our buddy Mina Kimes tweeted, because you mentioned Marcus Peters. And I don't think enough of the time, and for years all we did was talk about

the Ravens' defense as if they were still, you know, living in 2000, and they probably didn't deserve it. Now, actually, during this hot streak, the defense has been pretty good. So Mina tweeted, since the Marcus Peters trade, the Ravens defense has the highest pressure percentage in the NFL and forced the second lowest pass rating. In that time, they've played Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, and Deshaun Watson, basically the only other MVP candidates out there,

with the exception, I guess, of Rodgers and Prescott. So that's a great nugget. The defense is putting pressure on the other quarterback and taking them off their game while Lamar is doing things no one else can do. that's a great nugget the defense is putting pressure on the other quarterback and and taking them off their game while Lamar is doing things no one else can do should we be talking a little bit more about what they're doing defensively I mean is it time to acknowledge maybe they're better than average defense too um well they have been playing better and that's a big reason for why I think that they're right now you know should be considered

a Super Bowl favorite is they're playing complimentary football. Right. They're very good. They coach very well. They're really getting after teams defensively. You know, the last, you know, last five weeks, they've allowed 17, 16, 20, 13 and seven. And this weekend, you know, in Los Angeles against the Rams, they're probably going to allow 10 again. And they play the Niners, who will be good test. And then they really don't play anyone else. It's going to score in them for four more weeks. So, you know, they have to – it's been impressive to watch them. You sound a little bit defeated here, Jeff.

I mean, you're running out of steam because for so many weeks we've talked about Lamar and you've told us wait until next week, wait until next week. What am I going to say? It's working. You guys won. The one – you know what's so funny, dude, is the way this, this works, right?

So like I've said a bunch of stuff this year and I've been right on a ton of stuff, the bears, the Browns, the Seahawks, all this stuff. And the one thing I'm most wrong about and just, just get crushed nonstop on Twitter about it.

So is the way it works. I'm going to read you a tweet, um, that summed up many, uh, out there and, and you for the first few weeks. And now you're allowed to switch.

You're allowed to be on our side now. But Lamar Jackson becomes first man to walk on Mars. Three dudes with no avi on Twitter. Okay, but he's going to get hurt on the trip back to Earth. And that sort of sums up everyone's take on him. It's like, yeah, but just wait. Eventually this won't work. But that has been the history of the NFL.

That's kind of my point about why I have my thoughts. I mean, for 100 years now, we've seen that quarterbacks that run this much get hurt, plain and simple. I mean, he's rushed more this year so far than I think Cam Newton has ever had in a single season. Like, this is – and so, like I said, if it works this year, great. But, like, I don't know how long it's going to work. And Deion Sanders played in the World Series in the middle of a football season. He was still the best defensive back of all time.

Like people do, some guys are different. It doesn't, what does that mean? It's just some guys can do crazy stuff that no other guy in history has ever done. And we just have to say, wow, that's exceptional. That's not even, that's like apples and oranges. Like what is it? It doesn't, what does it have to do with anything?

What it has to do with is that there are outliers, and you're right. The percentages are that you can't do this and survive a season and win a Super Bowl. That's never really been done before. And then a guy comes along who could be the guy to do it. That's all. Maybe he's the guy. That's what we're all hoping for. I'm no Ravens fan.

I don't have any skin in this game. I just find the guy to be undeniably great he was a winner in college he's been a winner the whole time he's gotten a chance in the pros and nobody seems to have a way to stop him and even people like you who gave a smart reason why he was stoppable are now admitting maybe not so that's why i'm right i don't i don't think they're gonna lose i don't think they're gonna lose again this season until i mean until maybe the playoffs but't think they're going to lose again this season. I mean, until maybe the playoffs. But I think they're going to win every regular season game.

Well, let's... All right, we like to do over-unders on this show. We call it moving the line. That's a little pun there. Chance to cover a few more teams, put a little shine on some extra topics. So, let's start right here with... What the f*** does this mean? Ring Central Coliseum? Okay, sorry.

Zuri surprised me a little bit. You could leave it in because my confusion is real and I think the fans out there will feel it as well. Ring Central Coliseum, a.k.a. Oakland Coliseum, playoff games this season. It's their last chance to get a playoff game in Oakland over under.5. That's what the stadium is called now, apparently. I thought it was O.co.

Hey, you know what? Just like everything else in Silicon Valley, pivot. Pivot, man. Rebrand. Are they going to win a playoff game? Are they going to get a playoff game? No, because you go in the AFC West and they're not going to the AFC West. Are they going to get a playoff game?

No, because you go in the AFC West, and they're not going to AFC West. They're not going to go into Kansas City, win that game after a bye. They're not doing it. So if they lose that game, they're out of the West. Even though they have a schedule that's really easy down the stretch, but the Chiefs will have essentially a four-game lead on them after that. So not going to happen. Okay, so you're giving the Chiefs the division.

You're keeping the Raiders alive in the wild card. No, they'll be down two. If they lose – so Oakland wins this weekend, and they lose to the Chiefs. They'll be down two games, but the Chiefs will have the tiebreaker. So it's essentially like three games with four left. Yeah. No, okay. But you think Raiders are still alive for a wild card

because everyone in the AFC is alive for a wild card. Yes. You're saying they're not likely to win the division, which means they're not likely to host a playoff game. So sorry, Ring Central Coliseum or O.co, whatever the hell you're called. No more chance for playoff football in the east bay that's moving to vegas next year yeah um you know if you look at uh their schedule oh oh at your jets can

they can they the fighting sam donald's pull one off this weekend what do you think just stop with that but if you want to do this then i'm going to get into i'm going to you got three wins now no push me jeff and i'm going to go back to my theories on why the Jets signed Colin Kaepernick. So if you want to do that, we can do that. But no, the Jets are not going to beat the Raiders. There's no chance. Unless they do, because why not screw up a good draft pick because that's what the Jets do. We can't get into that.

We have to move on. I have a real question for you. Chances Coach Sean McVay listened to last week's episode of this podcast. Over under 50%. There's a reason I'm asking, buddy. It's over because as someone who's going to write an article about their run game, they've been better. Did he do everything that you suggested he do? You gave us a lot of smarts on vertical versus horizontal in the run game.

You talked about 11 personnel and all these things. And then I watched the game on Sunday night, and I thought, man, it sort of feels like they made some adjustments here. Gurley was a hell of a lot more involved. I mean, best game of the year for him. It looked like they were running different packages. Make me smarter here. Did they actually adjust some things in the run game along the lines of what you were talking about? They did.

They went much more vertically up the field. So build in double team. So you don't have guys getting pushed back in the zone game. And so it was, it was impressive to see. Now I'm, I'm going to go through and the all 22 comes out today on Tuesday. I'm going to go through and chart the last two games and see what they've

really done. If anyone wants to volunteer to go through and chart the last two games and see what they've really done. If anyone wants to volunteer to be a football charting person, let me know on Twitter at Jeff Schwartz, and you can help me with my project. But they've done a better job of just moving up the field, getting Gurley more touches. Maybe he's healthier after the bye week they had.

But they've just, they ran the ball better the last couple weeks, and I think a lot of it's due with a little bit of a scheme change. Against the Steelers, it wasn't terribly great, but it was well against the Bears. Yeah, I mean, a team that we keep talking about how great their defense is. I'm not actually sure the stats support some of that in the last few weeks. But Gurley had his best game of the year,

and those of us who own him in the Fantasy League would love to see that keep up. Dude, my fantasy team, by the way, first time I played since 2014, I drafted Sam Darnold, who had Mono. I have Barkley, who's been hurt. Marlon Mack, who's now hurt. see that keep up dude my fantasy team by the way first time i played since 2014 i have i drafted sam donald who had mono i barkley who's been hurt marlon mack who's now hurt adam feeling was hurt hunter henry who was hurt uh i'm one in ten who else is on your team so we can prepare for the worst here let's see let's see my team right now is a complete wreck so i mean that's an incredible amount of injury to your key guys. It's incredible, right? Like, it's almost amazing to even be.

Somehow I have a chance of winning this game. Somehow it says I project a chance to win next week, which is wild. So my team right now is Nick Foles, Galladay, Debo Samuel. Now Marlon Mack, I guess, is gone. So I have Marlon Mack is out, and then Kenyon Drake and Hunter Henry both have buys. I don't have enough players on my roster to play this week. Like, what am I going to even do is out, and then Kenyon Drake and Hunter Henry both have buys. I don't have enough players on my roster to play this week. What am I going to even do? Oh, my God.

Maybe what you should do instead of asking Twitter to do your job for you is ask Twitter to tweet you some suggested waiver wire pickups. I find they're good at that. But if not, maybe people can chart run plays for you for an internship of some kind. Let's move it along. I want to know the percentage of people who agree with New Hopkins about the PI review in New York City. So here's what DeAndre tweeted after the game. You mentioned that PI now call that they screwed up even in review the other day. So as a leader in the NFL, we need someone new in New York deciding calls.

The key word there, in New York deciding calls. Do you think people agree with that idea from DeAndre? I do, and I was a fan of them instigating this replay review, but it's been an utter disaster. Terrible. It's almost like the refs have pushed back on making this reviewable. I mean, he was clearly, and I thought at the time, too, they were never going to call it, and they didn't.

But he was clearly interfered with. He was tackled. Like I said, it wasn't, the Ravens probably still win the game, but it makes the game 7-0 now for the Texans. Not, you know, and that was a fourth down play, too. You know, and 7-0 starts a lot different than, you know, than being down whatever they were, 41-0. So it's a problem.

And it's very clear. And it's so funny. The older coaches, too. It's like all the older coaches just love challenging pass interferences that are never getting overturned. Like Belichick is not out here challenging pass interference. He knows. It's not going to be overturned.

But Pete Carroll, Mike Zimmer, Bill O'Brien, they love challenging passing appearances it's really funny i just i'm skeptical that you know the best receiver in the league really wants to see you know everything going going back no no one actually really no one no one actually wants that they just want this to be fixed yeah okay they think that's the quickest way to do it fair enough uh let's move along this story has too many angles to get to, so I'm just going to stick to the easiest one. Tua's draft position over under the 10.5 pick.

Is he a top 10 pick? No, he's under. So let me explain why. I think he actually goes in the second round. So I have a couple reasons for this. One is his injury history. So not only the hip injury, Gabe, he's also had two ankle surgeries. He's had three surgeries in about a year now, right? He had both ankle surgeries to fix the sprained ankles, and now he had a major hip surgery. So you're basically getting a franchise quarterback who's had three major surgeries in a year. That's almost unprecedented,

right? I mean, look at Justin Herbert. Look at Jake Fromm. Look at Eason. No one is hurt as much as he's been. If you even look at the other guys, they've been drafted all these years. And we know Alabama players in the NFL almost get hurt more often than other guys too, right? They're pretty beat up when they get in the NFL.

So that's part of it for me. Secondly is that I don't think a team's going to want to give him guaranteed money in his first deal as a first rounder when you don't know a team's going to want to give him guaranteed money in his first deal as a first rounder when you don't know what you're going to get from him. And that's why I think he drops top of the second round for all those reasons. People, I think, wrongly just think that the Patriots are going to draft him for whatever random reason they think so. I think just, oh, sounds like Belichick would do something like this.

Why? He's drafted the same quarterback for 20 years now. Why would he just draft Tua because Twitter says they think he's going to do that? There's no fit whatsoever in that draft pick. I don't think why. I know why people just say that because I don't know what they're talking about. But Belichick's not drafting Tua, guys. Yeah, I hadn't seen that. Oh, dude.

Even I would not try to bring that up. I tweeted out last night that I think that Tua's going to second round. Everyone's like, look, Belichick, I know he's going there. I ask people why. Just something he would do. What does that even mean? No, he wouldn't. He's drafted the same quarterback for 12 years now.

Right? Ryan Mallett, Jimmy Garoppolo, Jacoby Bursette. They're the same guy. Tall pocket passers. That's what he drafts all the time. That seems like all he ever does. Justin Herbert is more his style than his Tua. Yeah. Yeah. all the time that's that seems like all like justin herbert is more his style than his tour yeah yeah if there was a way to make a more boring version of just uh justin herbert they would go with that uh here here's the part of this though that bothers me and i just want to make sure i

understand your take on it it seems to me that nick saban has basically he's gone like double down on the belichick model right like he's figured out a way to sap even more joy and humanity out of football than somehow Bill Belichick had done and essentially ran this kid into the ground now an injury is not the coach's fault I'm not taking that position but this kid did not need to be on the field he was getting beat up week after week you've mentioned the previous surgeries and we know we know that he would discard him instantly you know how we know because he discarded the Heisman contender in front of him to give two of the job in the first place he's got five stars behind him he He doesn't care about this kid.

And you know what? He doesn't have to. That's not how you win. But to me, it's just kind of gross. It just sucks to see. So you think he should have been held out of the game? I think it'd be nice if there was some acknowledgement from the head coach that he owes his players, who are loyal to him,

something more than just the promise of winning the sec West or whatever his goals are. I don't really know what should he have done though. Well, first of all, he didn't need to still be on the field. Okay. Why? It was the second quarter of a football game.

They're up four touchdowns. Yeah, but he's been injured. He had to be taken off the field. It was the second quarter. It's so early, man. It doesn't happen very often.

All right, then fine. If Tua says he wants to play, he's going to play him. Fine, then I'm going to give you – I'm going straight here. I need you to try to argue this point. I don't understand this. I heard Urban Meyer jump in on Fox in defense of Coach Nick Saban. He told this whole long story about Tim Tebow. Yeah, I loved it.

Okay, how Tim Tebow, who had had a concussion, then came over to Coach's house. Coach had dramatically told everyone he wasn't going to start Tim. Then Tim and his dad come to his house and say, how dare you? I'm cleared to play. You have to play me. And then Urban didn't want to, but played Tim Tebow against LSU anyway.

That story is BS, okay? If these dudes think that they need, they need to be the last line of defense to protect players. Why aren't they protecting the players? Tim, the Tim Tebow defender has arrived, but, but dude,

I know we work him into the, into the conversation somehow today. Um, how is it? How, if you have principles, if you think your job is to defend this kid against himself, cause all players want to be out there, then how do you just –

oh, well, no, he said he wanted to play. Oh, okay. Well, he was – because, I mean, in the end, you know, players have a little leverage like that, and he's your star player. He was technically cleared, and obviously something was said in that. And that's really weird, by the way, to show up to your coach's house like that. That's a little bit of some crazy behavior. But doesn't – every player goes on the air, and the guys get out of the league and you've told us oh you just players want to play

players are always going to say they can go fine the adult and in this case we're talking about amateurs the adult needs to say i don't care dude be upset with me if you want you're not playing i'm doing this for you but it's it's hard to do that if you get cleared by the doctors and that's something where urban meyer was saying it's but it's hard to do that if you get cleared by the doctors. And that's something where Urban Meyer was saying. It's like, look, I want to do it, but the doctor's cleared him. What am I supposed to do? Go to the other five-star guy.

It's hard to actually put into words why this happens the way it does. Then they shouldn't pretend that they're considering the alternative. It's disingenuous. It's intellectually dishonest to claim publicly that I'm not going to let him play. If Urban Meyer had said, like, Barrett Jones, you'd react so differently to this than you would have. No, no, no, no, no. This has nothing to do with my...

To your idol. No, it has nothing to do with how I like Tim Tebow. It has to do with the fact that I think the biggest name coaches in the sport... Timothy Tebow. ...are BS. That's what I'm getting at. I hope he doesn name coaches in the sport are BS. I hope he doesn't listen to the podcast, though, because that would be bad. Who, Urban Meyer?

No, Timothy. You know, I'd love it if Tim listened to this show. It wouldn't go. I don't think he'd like our podcast. Well, you never know. But I'm glad everyone else likes it. That's what matters to me. All right.

You're just trying to troll me now you're not you don't even want to acknowledge i definitely am you don't want to acknowledge the truth of the situation i just know that these coaches don't care about their players tim plays for his grandfather who really want to see him in florida so that's like that was that game must have been important to him and to his grandfather so what there were a lot of things that are important to me that some adult said i couldn't do i mean i don't know i just i just you know when tim has that his like conviction right he has a conviction and just it's you your spirit you want to play him if he says he's going to play i'm not

you're trying to derail us dude and i'm not i'm not going do it i'm not gonna do it i think the job of a coach is to protect a player and i don't think that coach saban did that honestly that's what i believe and i think a lot of people out there would agree and it doesn't have anything to do with whether players should be paid or not that's not what i'm getting into i think if he knew that the guy had been banged up and could use a break he should have have been given a break. That's it. Let's move along. Gronk gave us all a tease this week. He implied he had some big news to release. It was a whole thing on Instagram.

Everyone was excited. It must mean he's coming back to the Patriots. Nope. Apparently he's promoting something called Gronk Beach during the Super Bowl weekend. I want to know, Jeff, how many minutes you spend at Gronk Beach in Miami? 14.5 minutes, over under.

Oh, under. Now- Really? If this was more like an EDM type music festival, I might make an appearance. What? It's got a cascade performance. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

My wife has been to EDC. I'm going to go with her next time. Just for a night. I'll go to one night. She'll go to two nights. I'll go to one. What? What? What changed? What made you get into EDM? How are you into EDM? time just for a night just i'll go to one night she'll go to two nights i'll go to one what what

what changed what made you get into edm how are you in the list for 10 years now what the hell you mean listening like since i met my wife like in the background while you're working out or you like put down you like sit down to listen to edm music i'll listen to in the car we're like like with the kids like what 50 yeah, and when I work out. So I'm to picture you and your young children driving around in booster seats or whatever, however old they are, with those car seats, and you got Diplo and what's the guy's name? Some mouse?

Danger Mouse? Yeah, Sirius 51. Oh, my God. Okay. Glow sticks. The whole thing is going on. Like, I got videos of my kids singing, like, some EDM songs. And they're, like, fist pumping and stuff.

Oh, my God. Okay. So if they had the right EDM, do you call them a band? What do you call a group? Yeah. If they get the right EDM assembly out there yeah i'd go you'd go as long as i could sit somewhere i don't want to dance i just want to sit and listen to music like that like that like that's my thing when i told meredith is like i'll go i'll go to edc

but i need a place to sit i'm not standing for four i'm not standing for the whole night that is so that is so fucking insane oh my god I was like I don't want to stand the whole night there man my back will be hurt my feet will be hurt there's a we've discussed this before there's a VIP section at EDC so that's where she was last time. I'll go up there.

I'll find a table. I'll just hang out. And I don't drink either. I'm just going to watch, listen to music, and just hang out. To take in the sights and sounds. It's expensive to do that, but that's what I want to do. So you want to go to an EDM festival where you're going to be sober and seated. And you don't want it to go on too long.

No, no, I know. No, I go for the whole night. I go for like four or five hours. But like I'm not like – But not on drugs. Not on drugs and sober. This is the most bonkers thing I've ever done. Am I crazy?

Yes, man. That is the – oh, God, that that is so weird i love it so much why oh i feel like now i do yes i want to go stone sober and i want to sit there right next to you i don't drink i don't use drugs i understand and i respect that but i mean i don't know what on earth you could do at a at a danger Mouse concert if you aren't on something. That just seems crazy to me. But, you know, we might have some kids listening who like to do that. Good for them.

Like when my wife got back from EDC, I went and watched like Tiesto's whole set. It's like an hour long on YouTube. And it's like, I like the music. Oh, Jeff, you are a true enigma. That totally took me by surprise. I did not see any of that coming. I've seen you tweet about this type of... I did not realize that you're good with going to one of these shows

as long as you can sit down. Oh, man, that's a good take. You know what, Jeff? I feel like we've given the people more than they can handle. I was going to go double down on some fantasy stuff and social. We're going to blow off the social mailbag this week. Just wrap this thing up. We got EDM videos to watch sober on YouTube.

Oh, yeah. Watch them all the time. Yeah. Good stuff. Thank you, as usual, for listening in. I'm glad I can make Gabe belly laugh to no end about my EDC. My head hurts. My EDC love.

And I'm like, I'll just get by with it now. iTunes, athletic, athletic podcast, all that. I don't even know where we're going now. I think we're going to have our podcast is going to be playing on a Coachella stage where everyone's going to sit and beanbag. I don't want to do Coachella. No. Like, I go to Ultra, too, in Miami. I go for a day.

Oh, my God. But, of course, I just want to sit. I don't want to, like, I'll dance a little bit, but I'm not, like, going to stand up the whole time. That's too much for my poor back. All right, guys. Appreciate you tuning in. We'll be back Thursday, as usual. Please rate, review, subscribe.

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