Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Jalen Hurts Shines, The Chiefs Coast, and Playoff Predictions

Episode Date: December 22, 2020

The Jalen Hurts era in Philly looks bright, the Chiefs continue to win close games, and the Packers are the team to beat in the NFC. Plus Gabe and Geoff start to look towards potential playoff matchups. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

it's tuesday december 22nd the playoff race is heating up in the nfl we had a nice gambling weekend jalen hurts and the eagles are the talk of the town the chiefs are easily the best team in the nfl when they want to be and j-e-t-s jets jets jets jeff schwartz alongside the now miserable jets fan gabe goodwin this is jeff schwarter Than You. Gabe, look, the upside is you get to hire a new coach and have Sam Darnold on your roster next season, and you get to see the transformation of Sam Darnold into Ryan Tannehill or Josh Allen or Alex Smith or Baker Mayfield. That's the positive, buddy.

No, stop it with that. I thought you were joking. I saw you tweeted something about that. Why can't Sam Darnold do what those three guys have done? He'll get a new offensive coordinator to work out. And I texted you, just so the audience understands, I texted you, is this satire? I thought you were just screwing around or trolling. There is no chance in the world that that happens for Sam Darnold. None. Zero. And this is coming from a guy who watched him play at USC and and rooted for him i wanted this to work it ain't gonna work new quarterback new coach new everything that's the only answer we'll get to that in moving the line i'm wearing a lakers shirt to indicate to you that football season's over in la we're focused on basketball now uh which starts starts weirdly enough i think this week right tonight let's. Let's go. L.A. It starts tonight.

And so what's funny is if this was not a pandemic, you would have been in the crowd at SoFi Stadium with a Trevor Lawrence jersey already on, and you would have had your heart just torn to shreds as Sam Darnold completes that 36th pass, which my favorite bit of the weekend, by the way, was Sam Darnold under 202 yards, and he got over 202 on that last pass of the game, by the way was sam donald under 202 yards and he got over 202

on that last pass of the game by the way that's what he always does all of his yards all of his yards comes again like a dime package end of the first half nobody's really paying attention he's got 36 yards passing for no reason that's how it always works look god i don't even want to talk i don't know why we wasted a minute at the top of the show talking about the jets when we have to deal with them later on and moving the line because it's just the jets and it's football and football is glorious and just it is what it is and let's get to the main uh topics of the day we will get the jets don't worry folks okay so so the main thing that i think people have to talk about are the Chiefs and the fact that they won their sixth straight one score game.

Okay, that has some people very scared if you watch ESPN and Fox Sports 1 and all our buddies at those networks. But our friend Trey Wingo put it this way after they beat the Saints yesterday. They've now won in Baltimore, Buffalo, Tampa, Miami, and New Orleans. So let's just say, Jeff, we don't need to worry about them. You've told me, don't worry about them. The Saints, on the other hand, they're a mess. Breeze looked bad, let's be honest. And he then said after the game, he's not 100%.

Thomas is out. So listen, people can debate whether they're done or not. But what I think is really happening is we're getting distracted from the fact that the Packers are clearly the team to beat in the NFC. Like, clearly. Yeah, I think it is very clear that the Packers are the team to beat, even though they don't have an impressive – well, I guess they beat the Saints early in the season, right?

So that was their impressive win. Otherwise, they've lost to the Colts. The Colts came back in that game down 14 points, second half, and they got murdered by the Bucs. So the Packers are still, you know, they still have that signature win. I mean,

I guess again, New Orleans would be that signature win. That was so early in the season, right? Teams are different now. I don't know how you can consider was a week three or four, a victory they had, but that's very important because that will give them home field advantage.

And teams are going to have to go now through Lambeau Field in January to win. And the Saints are not a team that's built Drew Bridge, especially to win in that weather. And what makes the Packers so dangerous is their offense. Their offense is really good. And you take the Shanahan system, right? The Mike Shanahan system that Kyle obviously runs now. Sean McVay runs. Kyle LaFleur runs.

And that system typically works with okay quarterbacks, right? Guys are just okay. You know, around, you know, the 8th, 12th best quarterback. The best one recently might have been Matt Ryan, who won the MVP in this system. The other Falcons went to Super Bowl. But it's Jimmy G's in the system, Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, Case Keenum, you know, he played in the system, you know,

with the Vikings, what, three or four years ago now. So the system works. But now you add in a Hall of Fame quarterback in Aaron Rodgers into the system. And we're seeing the benefits of Aaron Rodgers, by the way, being willing to adjust the play, kind of the style of play that he has liked over the years to allow more of what Matt LaFleur is really good at in this offense. A lot of boots, play actions, deep shots. They're running the ball pretty well. They look good.

The one issue, obviously, is rushing defense, which, again, I'm not so worried about that because against the Chiefs, the rushing defense doesn't matter, right? It doesn't matter unless you're playing the Tennessee Titans, who actually they have this weekend. I think the Titans might beat them just for that exact reason. They'll just run the ball all day on the Packers.

But in the playoffs against the Chiefs or the Saints, it's not so important in my opinion. Run defense is only important. I don't even know in this day and age when it is important. When is rush defense important? It doesn't seem like a stat that I would be fixated on. You have mentioned the home field advantage mattering a lot to the Packers and it mattering to anyone else who wish they could be home but might have to go to Lambeau so

they're in great position to have home field advantage now they're six and one at home you mentioned the Titans game I see that as sort of the signature win that you're looking for so if they win this coming weekend oh yeah yeah then nobody can sleep on them but like honestly other than talking about rogers as a possible mvp by the way 40 touchdowns to four interceptions i think he's probably number one right now i do still get the sense that they're like the third or fourth topic in the rundown on all our favorite shows i don't think that anyone's paid enough attention to them i I'm with you there, but I think it's because, again, they haven't played a great team recently outside of the Colts. They lost that game.

And some of their games, like the Chiefs, have just been blah. Like this weekend, Saturday night, right? It's just like, ah, the Panthers covered it. I mean, the Packers have come to the same boat of not covering some of these games. Now, they have not been. They've been bigger favorites than the Panthers. So when they win by eight points, it's not covering some of these games. Now, they have not been, they've been bigger favorites than the Panthers. So when they win by eight points, it's not covering, right?

Right. So I think that's partly why, and I think people, and this is good for the Packers, have now gotten used to them being good this season. Yeah. And so it's not a fascination each week of, oh, are the Packers going to be good this season?

Remember, home field advantage is very important this year because you get one bye in the playoffs. So that's one less game off so you have to win to get to the Super Bowl or the exchange game, whatever it is. And the seven seeds this year are going to kind of be a little

interesting. The Ravens, I think, will get into the seven seed. They're playing some good football right now. So if you're a Pittsburgh or Buffalo, I don't think you want to see the Ravens in the playoffs. The Arizona Card want to see the ravers in the playoffs you know the arizona cardinals might be the seventh seed in the nfc they can be really good if cook if kingsbury gets out of his own way like he's just a he's a coach i don't know what to do but murray threw for 400 yards this weekend i mean he he played really well in offense so they're a team that so you know getting the home field advantage

this year is so important so if green bay can do that that, I think they're a clear favorite to win the NFC. You mentioned the offense and Rodgers being willing to go along with this idea that worked for a bunch of average quarterbacks. Can I propose to you that maybe instead, since we all know Aaron Rodgers was calling the shots in Green Bay as McCarthy left and the new guy came in, that really Aaron said, I'd like to do that. Find me a young coach who can bring that system to me,

and I'll turn him into a winner, not the other way around. That Matt LaFleur right now is basically just doing for Aaron Rodgers what he said he would do. Isn't that more likely? I don't know because it just seemed like Rodgers was hesitant to adopt the system. We even heard him say things like, I didn't like running a lot of, was it play-action pass or something that he didn't like doing? I forget what the exact term was, but something like, I didn't like,

or pre-snap motion it was a thing, right? He didn't get, you know, in Mike McCarthy's system, they don't move very much before the snap. And he had to get used to running, you know, motion before plays. And I think it took him a while to get into the rhythm of this offense and to trust Matt LaFleur. Look, he obviously had trust issues with Mike McCarthy. And so now you bring a young coach in

who had not had many years being an offensive coordinator, and now you thrust him on Aaron Rodgers, who's already skeptical of coaching. And I think it took Rodgers some time to buy into that Matt LaFle metaphor knew what he was doing but he seems like he knows what he's doing and they flashed a graphic during the game yesterday that put him you know with the all-time great green bay coaches and like you know i mean it's only a couple of sessions yeah his numbers are better than anyone including the guy that stadiums

named after and the most famous coach of all time was the super bowl trophy so he's off to a hell of a start the premise of this first topic was we can save time on the chiefs they're the best we can save time on the saints they look like crap do you mostly agree with those two statements i mean can we save time there i don't think look the saints obviously would be much different when if drew breeze came back healthy and obviously he was not but i think this is more than a diamond on on your boy tasem hill but if tasem hill i mean they they saw drew brees like this in practice right i assume he threw the ball in practice it was like oh you know what we got to play him we can't play tasem hill yeah at one point in the fourth quarter i was watching my dad i think i turned to my dad was like drew

is nine for 24 today for 135 yards like what is this what are we watching and so i think he finished 15 of 34, something around there. Look, the Saints issue too, and I've seen this happen now two years in a row, is they've been underwhelming in the postseason, right? They lost to the Rams in the NCAA championship game two years ago at home, and they had not lost a home playoff game before that

with Drew Brees and Sean Payne. They lost last year to the Vikings. So I don't know what to expect from them in the postseason. They're built well. The defense was outstanding yesterday. Defense played well game, and still they allowed 32 points to the Vikings. So I don't know what to expect from them in the postseason. They're built well. The defense was outstanding yesterday. Defense played well game, but still they allowed 32 points to the Chiefs. I mean,

like that's the, you got to score against Kansas City and you got to score. You got to score like it's great. You got to score a lot of points. It's so hard to play against. And Pat Mahomes, I mean, the stuff he was doing yesterday,

it's just not fair. What do you tell the defense when the dude stops on a dime kind of retraces goes up the field and throws a 30-yard strike to tyreek or sammy or cal whoever it was what do you tell the defense sorry guys better luck next time they uh they played the hardman touchdown was i think it was number three in the top 10 on sports center last night yeah yeah the back corner one, and while they're running the highlight, John Anderson, who's great, obviously, he goes, I don't know who we're giving the top play to, Pat for throwing it or Hardman for catching it,

but what was that? Like, the rolling left, like, flick across his body to the only inch of the whole field where the ball could be be and the guy makes the play at the end of it like it was unbelievable it really was but these games are close they're close which again does worry me because i think i think that a sign of a good team is blowing teams out i i really do the chiefs last year were blowing teams out even like even yesterday so yesterday they gave the saints two free points before the end of the first half.

Should have been seven, right? The ball's punted, less than 10 seconds left. Robinson just tries to run across the length of the field for some odd reason. The width of field, I should say. The ball gets hit out, goes in the end zone. The Saints should have recovered for seven. Instead, they got two because of safety, rolled out the back of the end zone. And those are free points they're giving away.

And then again, it comes down to they're up by two scores. They're up, I think, 29-15. They're up two scores. And again, the game comes down to having to convert on a four-minute drive to end the game. I think they're cutting it close. And you can say, well, they're going to wait until the playoffs. This was a playoff game. They played the Saints.

This was an important game for them. The idea, by the way, that the Chiefs held back wrinkles, that's a fantasy that fans make up in their head that's just not true, that teams hold back plays. Did you watch the game yesterday? They ran that play with Tyreek Hill motion, like back and forth eight times, scored a touchdown. They ran a speed option.

They ran that little pass to Travis Kelsey, a little Dr. Pepper 2 in a pass. Like, there were wrinkles in there all game. So it worries me, Gabe. You know, you have Tennessee come to town, Baltimore come to town. And, you know, they run the ball well, and they're scoring a bunch. Like, are you going to end every drive when Pat Mahomes making an amazing play to keep it alive?

It's possible. I mean, it alive? It's possible. I mean, it happens. It keeps happening. Well, Pat addressed it after the game. I saw him say, you know, yeah, I know people expect us to win these games by more. And it's nice to win by 20 or 30, you know, in a way that they used to. But it's important to learn how to win like this. And maybe he's just trying to put some positive spin on it.

But I don't know. I'll give him some credit for that thought like maybe it is important to be tested maybe it's worth practicing can you close out a game in those final four minutes when it's a one score situation like is there anything to that you played you tell me i mean there definitely is the idea that um we're good at the end of games but i would think that they would like to just not have to worry about it each week. Obviously.

It seems like it. I mean, you'd like to do it the way the Warriors used to do it. Just, like, win by the end of the third quarter and not have to worry. But, you know, sometimes you do it the way LeBron does it, where you got to pound away for four quarters and take seven-game series sometimes, but you win. Let me ask you this. We're talking about the NFC and anyone who might be able to contend with the Chiefs since we're saying the Saints are probably no longer that team.

It seems like the Packers, the only other team that I hear mentioned in there, confuses the hell out of me, which is your buddy, Tom Brady and the Bucs. They snuck out the win yesterday, barely beating the Falcons. I mean, took another miracle or I guess a tragic loss for the Falcons. Can we just agree they're not very good? The Bucs are just not very good. They're the most confusing team in the NFL, outside of maybe the Rams at times, which is they scored 31 points in the second half yesterday.

That's a lot of points. This is an NFL game. It's not a college game. It's an NFL game. It's hard to score points at that rate in the second half yesterday. That's a lot of points. This is an NFL game. It's not a college game. It's an NFL game. It's hard to score points at that rate in the NFL. And so the most frustrating part is that they can be really good, but they're not. And so how do you trust them at all in the playoffs?

So Tom Brady, as the five seed, which they're probably going to be, they'll be 11-5, will have to go to Washington and play the Washington football team in the cold, in the wet possibly, in the snow possibly. That first wildcard weekend game, well, actually, it's Tampa Bay. It probably won't be the first game. But they're going to have to go to Washington. Do you trust them to go to Washington and play against that defense?

I do not. So that's the problem. It's a trust factor. There's a couple teams in the NFL that kind of the theory, like they can get hot and win. The Bucs are one of them. It's a trust factor. There's a couple teams in the NFL that kind of the theory like they can get hot and win. The Bucs are one of them. They have the talent there. If they figure out how to freaking play an offense, they have a chance.

Their protection schemes are so bad. They look guys hit Tom Brady all day. I don't understand it. I go back to coaching there because Tom Brady for 20 years has figured out how to pick up a blitz and find the hot guy. But in this offense, they just don't do it. So I'm leaning toward coaching on some of that. If they get hot, they have a chance. The Rams, I know the Rams lost to the Jets.

I know it's fun to laugh about them. But their defense is still really good. And if they can – their offense just plays poorly against bad teams for whatever reason, like they're not very motivated. If their offense gets hot, because they're going to go in this weekend. I'm telling you right now, I'm picking the Rams to beat Seattle this weekend. Rams are going to Seattle. They're going to beat Seattle.

And the Rams can get a home playoff game, win the division. They're going to be one of those teams. Rams and Tampa in the NFC, if either one kind of gets hot, starts to click, they have a chance to do some damage. But I don't think they can beat the Packers in the end. All right. Now, you said something that we're spending more time on these first topics than, than I expected, but I think it's worth it. You said something that reminded me of a Bruce Arians quote from

after the game. And he was doing this same routine where he's sort of trying to get in Tom's head a little bit. And he basically said, well, let me look at him. He's, he's the best in the fourth quarter. You look what he did for us. What a fabulous fourth quarter. Kind of proves he can do it for the other three quarters too. It's like a backhanded compliment. Like, you know, say Tom's the best at the comeback, but why not just be good the whole game? We can do that.

I'm curious if maybe there's something about this Arians-Brady relationship that's a little bit of a different take on the Belichick relationship that's kind of working for Tom at 43. You seeing anything in that? I mean, they're just, Bruce Aarons is so public with it. Yeah. Belichick was never like that. That's what I mean. I think Belichick pushed Tom Brady, but it's not like he did it more in the meeting room, right?

Where he'd be like, the local high school quarterback can do better than this. But Bruce Aarons just does all of that in public. Yeah. Well, maybe that's the trick then, just does all that in public yeah well maybe that's the trick then because tom's very public figure and maybe it actually cuts through more if he feels a little bit you know embarrassed i'm not sure belichick by the way not going to the postseason for the first time and i don't know it seems like my whole damn life but it's probably about 12 years uh end of end of everything in new england or is he just going to go figure out a way to get Matt Stafford

and turn them back into a playoff team in a year? He's going to trade for Sam Darnold. Stop. God bless him. I hope for both their sake that that works out. That'd be lovely. Solve two problems at once. Let's move it along.

I want to come back to some other teams in the AFC that we probably have to talk about because every other damn show is talking about them. If you, if you want takes, you got two ways to have a take. It's that the bills can beat the chiefs or that the Browns can beat the chiefs.

Obviously our buddy Colin's been all hot on the bills and this weekend helped his case. But then last night, because of a primetime game and Baker looking pretty good, everyone else is like, Whoa, maybe the Browns, maybe the Browns. So is this just boredom or is there something to either of those two teams having something real going on? last night, the Giants, what, had two fourth downs,

not converted in the red, in like the low red zone. Cole McCoy was moving the ball up and down. Like that was not a problem the entire, the entire day. So I think the Browns are a little bit of time away. Plus again, when Baker Mayfield's pressured, he does not play well. Like I just feel like that's too much of a variable. If he can get, you know, if someone can get pressure on him,

he's just not going to, he just, that's not what he does very well. So I don't expect that to be a thing. Now Buffalo is interesting. Obviously Josh Allen played great, but if you look at Josh Allen, even this season, and I was obviously wrong about Josh Allen.

It's kind of funny. I tweeted in at right at the Superbowl. I thought the bills were not gonna make the playoffs. Even this is before, by the way, that Tom Brady left before they got digs, like all these things happen. People are like, see,

even though I believe I picked them to make the playoffs in our podcast this year. Yeah. You've called them. You've talked about them the way you've talked about the Browns. That's why I like putting them together. Yeah. They're fine,

but they're not going to win a Superbowl with those quarterbacks. Yeah. Now the thing about Alan, and here's the thing about Alan too, and it's worth, this is very important. Listen to this. Is that the people like me,

most of us who said he was never going to make it to this level, we had history on our side. We had the entire history of the NFL on our side. Everyone who said that Josh Allen was going to make it, you just had thoughts and prayers because this has not been done before. The historical jump that Josh Allen has made between year two and year three is unprecedented NFL history history there's one quarterback in the last 30 years that started their career with two um uh what's the right word two um underperformance under average seasons right like like underwhelming seasons um crappy I think is the way we put that usually crappy crappy will do no not crappy like like it's whatever the word is but basically there was the standard of like below replacement.

Below replacement seasons. That's nicer than crappy. Okay. And they've not panned out in the NFL. In the history of the NFL. Except Alex Smith. This is the last 30 years. Alex Smith.

Because Troy Aikman was like one of them way back in the early 90s. But Alex Smith and Josh Allen. Two. That's it. So the change that he has made in his game is unprecedented. So if you said, oh, I always knew this was going to happen, you know, you did not. You wished it was going to happen, but this has not been done before.

So credit Josh Allen, credit Brian Dable, credit the Bills. They get all the credit here. I was wrong. They've done a great job. But I think defensively, again, it's not going to be enough for the Chiefs and we saw the bills play the chiefs already this year i mean scored 17 points i don't know um if they can do enough in kansas city in a playoff game to beat the chiefs okay well i don't see anyone stopping them from scoring 30 so i guess the question is is there anything the bills i mean the bills just scored only 19 against the steelers i mean it's not like they've scored a ton of points every year every week okay fair

fair enough we could trade games for when they have scored 30 plus and when they haven't i guess what i want to know is my mind being an afc east guy even when the bills have not been great i've always associated them with a tougher than expected defense. And like, you don't want to have to play the Bills in a must win because you never know they might pull something.

And I just feel like they create turnovers. This is all based on nothing. But that has been my impression of them for 30 years. Are you saying there's no defensive playmaker there who can do something to confuse Patrick Mahomes?

I mean, no one else really does. I mean, we saw this weekend. Mahomes was hit. He was battered. He was confused. He looked bad sometimes. Bad is the wrong word because he always looks good. But he just looked bad.

And they still put up 32 points. Like, what are you gonna do sometimes i don't know what to tell i don't know what to tell people what what about i know you know when buffalo's healthy they've got a few good defensive backs at least guys with names right we sometimes it's hard for regular joes like myself to evaluate how good josh norman maybe is anymore or davis white or any of these guys like we just hear they're. And so they stay good in our mind. Do they have anyone who can cover Travis Kelsey or Tyreek Hill for pretending there aren't five other weapons?

It's yes and no. I mean, the chiefs do an amazing job of getting guys open. I mean like that's the thing about it. Look, there's, we've seen how there's two ways to slow the Chiefs down. Either sit in cover three, Niners and Chargers, which I think week 17, Chargers-Chiefs, it'd be kind of an interesting game because the Chiefs will still need to win that game.

Otherwise, they could lose a tiebreaker to Pittsburgh. And Justin Herbert kind of playing well. Like, I'm excited to see that game. That could be the reverse almost last year, where last year the Chiefs entered the weekend not having a bye and ended with a bye, where this could flip in Week 17. Sometimes the Chargers play the Chiefs. They play them close.

Or you're Bill Belichick. And Bill Belichick has done an incredible job, even this season. And what Belichick does that no one else can really do, because that's who Belichick is, is every single play they do something different. So one play they're going to double Travis Kelsey. One play they're going to double Tyreek Hill. One play they're going to sit in zone.

Oh, now they bring up pressure. And so they always keep you guessing, right? Like you don't know what they're doing. And so that makes it difficult to figure out where the read is going to be. And then when you bring pressure up the middle, against the Chiefs interior off, it's a line. You get Pat to move off the spot, and it makes things more difficult. So I don't think Buffalo has that capability to do that.

So that's why my thing is always now you have to just outscore the Chiefs, which the Bills, if Josh Allen's on, they could totally do that. Okay. But the Chiefs defense is really fascinating to me, Gabe, because their numbers are not very good. Like they're like 32nd in the NFL in the red zone. They don't hit the quarterback very often. They're not good on third down.

But they just make enough plays every game. I don't know what it is. Like, you watch them play this weekend, and they allow 29 points. I get it. But you're like, okay, not bad. But then they allow 29 points. I don't know what it is about this defense. They kind of have that thing going for them that champions do.

You just make enough plays in a game, knowing your offense can score to help you win that game. Right? They did enough. They forced a turnover, forced another turnover, and just did enough. Yeah. Again, I'm just the dummy who doesn't really know how things work.

But to me, the answer is Honey Badger is just like that wildcard guy. Yeah, but for a couple weeks, he wasn't like himself this year. That's the thing. He definitely is the difference between not winning a Super Bowl, winning a Super Bowl, in my opinion, last year on defense. But I'm saying we need a turnover. Boom, they get a turnover. He's the guy who can do that. The statistics and all the other things you mentioned, that's a unit issue. like we need a turnover boom they get a turnover he's the guy who can do that like the statistics

and all the other things you mentioned that's a unit issue um he seems like the guy who could you know pull a rabbit out of a hat all right so then baker is the guy everyone wanted to talk about first thing monday morning because he wins in prime time and he doesn't suck and kevin stafanski is getting probably the most love he's gotten all year because there they are with 10 wins. And he's like, you know, soon we're going to get to the Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard. Kevin Stefanski went to Penn. Like that's coming. Get ready. But it does seem like I'm kidding on coach.

It seems like he's made Baker grow up a little bit. If Baker ever needed to grow up in the first place, debatable. So what's going on there? Why does that work? And are you sure that's not a problem? I think for me it works because there's a stable system in place for him. He has a real adult coaching him. And the system produces easy wins for Baker Mayfield. And remember, when you install a new offense,

it takes eight to 10 regular season weeks for you to feel good in that offense. So now we're seeing we're past that point in the year obviously where now Stefanski knows what Baker's good at. Baker knows what he's good at. And there's a lot of confidence in the system they're running. There's a lot of they run the ball really well, play action

pass, find some shots here and there. They move Baker out of the pocket. And so he's just getting in more of a rhythm. Again, the problem with Baker is the pressure situation. And it's hard to pressure them because their offensive line is really good. And I don't think they're ready yet to win multiple playoff games, especially on the road. They have to be on the road in the first couple of weeks. But there's, I think, some optimism if you are the team heading into 2021 all right well we're going to touch on how many games each of these teams can win when we do moving the line let me talk

to you about something that we've been texting about a lot and i don't know exactly where you're going to go with some of this um basically jalen hurts look good right they lose a close game to kyler murray and the cardinals but his stats were great he made a few amazing plays he's a you know a ball into the end zone away from winning that game you know it was a close game so Schefter's now reporting that Hurts will start again next week which was up in the air because coach wasn't really committing to that after the loss. Carson Wentz is sort of grumbling, depends how you want to interpret it. I'll just put it this way. The only move, and your boy Dan Arlovsky seems to be saying this,

is the only move is to move on from Carson Wentz. Or, I guess, as you've suggested, move on from coach and find a coach who can work with Wentz. But it seems very obvious the team wants Hurts to be the quarterback, which means they need to keep Peterson the coach, which means Wentz is moving out of town. Is there any other take here on how to fix things in Philly? After this week, I don't think there is. So here's what I think has to happen. So Jalen Hurts far exceeded my expectations the last two weeks. I watched most of that game this weekend because

I bet on the Cardinals and I'm glad they covered and they should have they played really well I mean look the sustainability of Hurts is questionable I mean he made some some throws yesterday on third down that just you can't do every week I mean there's a play he got strip sacked picked the ball up yeah and threw for a first down like that's not gonna happen every week right but I like but what I like the most and it's very obvious now because now we've had two different quarterbacks start instead of Carson Wentz right we had Nick Foles and Jalen Hurts play and when Josh McCown played by the way at certain times right the offense looks different when Carson Wentz is not playing and the difference is one it's in rhythm yeah there's a rhythm and a pace to the offense

all of a sudden the wide receivers catch the football. The offensive line plays better. There's just a play-calling consistency, and there's some dynamic plays and some deep balls and some wide-open guys all of a sudden. And it looks like a real NFL offense. And so when you can have the real NFL offense with Nick Foles, with Josh McCown, and with Jalen Hurts,

but not with Carson Wentz, who's the problem? Carson Wentz is the problem. And so I think even two weeks ago, I was like, look, I've said on the show, you have to get rid of Doug Peterson because I don't know anymore, Gabe, because it feels like Doug still knows what he's doing, but Carson Wentz is the problem. And that contract's hard to trade.

But I'll tell you this. There's more reports coming out now that Carson Wentz doesn't like the situation he's in. Fine. Sure. But the thing that concerns me more than anything is this idea that he's mentally crumbled because they drafted Jalen Hurts. If that's true, ship him out right now. Because if you're that mentally weak to where the drafting of Jalen Hurts. If that's true, ship them out right now. Because if you're that mentally weak to where the drafting of Jalen Hurts makes you lose all your confidence, then that's a you problem, Carson.

Because the NFL is going to find your replacement all the time. That's their job. They're going to draft people to replace you. And I get it. Not often do they draft a second-round quarterback a year after a new quarterback signed a deal. Fair enough. do they draft a second round quarterback a year after a new quarterback signed a deal fair enough but they gave you money a lot of it because they want you to be their guy that's how they're showing

you they like you enough and i'm gonna start with around draft pick you many years they draft i put eight years the nfl do you know how many years they drafted my replacement eight freaking years okay that's that's what the job is and i went out there, used his motivation to play better. Aaron Rodgers, they drafted Jordan Love in the first round. He's being, he's MVP season. Tom Brady, I looked back. They didn't draft all second and third rounders. They drafted some fourth and fifth rounders.

But for the most part, the last 10 years, they drafted a third rounder, second rounder every third year. Tom Brady, middle finger, Jimmy G. I'm going to keep playing really well, right? But for some reason, Carson Wentz has let this get to him. That's a Carson Wentz problem. It's not an Eagles problem, not a Harry Roseman problem. It's not a Jeffrey Lurie problem, their owner.

It's a Carson Wentz problem. And if he cannot fix that, that's not the Eagles' fault. That's on you, buddy. And so I think that it's very clear that there's a disconnect between Doug Peterson and Carson Wentz. And if I were choosing right now, I'm not sure Jalen Hurts is the guy that will win me a Super Bowl, but he's the guy that will win me games now.

And then we have a competent offense moving forward. I would choose that path over the Carson Wentz path. Now, if you're the Eagles ownership, you can say, okay, let's reset this off season. Let's talk to Carson talk to Doug find a way to make it work and try to make 2021 the most productive season we can with those two but Gabe you watch a lot of football in your life do you expect there to be some sort of melding of the minds between Wentz and Peterson in 2021 no I don't at all and I think both of them assume they'd be better off elsewhere with a

different coach or different quarterback i mean i both i think both of them assume the other guy's the problem so there's no way they're gonna make it work it just feels like the more and more we watch them without without um carson wentz that it feels like it's a carson wentz problem see see here's the thing though that in this relationship which in some ways is kind of maybe a little bit similar to Brady Belichick in the final year there, where they both kind of want to prove that they were the guy and the other guy was just all along for the ride. Peterson took him to a Super Bowl, won him a Super Bowl with a different quarterback. So like it isn't as easy an argument for Wentz to make, even if he's the more talented of the people on the roster. Like it just seems like Wentz is the guy who's got to go.

But let me throw this scenario, which is a third at you. I saw this from a blue check guy. I don't actually know who this is, but Dennis Chambers tweeted this crazy idea. So I want you to evaluate this. If the Eagles believe Jalen Hurts is their guy, go all in on him. Let's get weird. Here's another idea for you. Fire Doug.

Offer Lincoln Riley a blank check. Identify and acquire a legit number one wide receiver no matter the cost. Do the Kyler Arizona model in Philly. Win a Super Bowl in Philly with a new coach and Jalen Hurts is your quarterback. The Arizona Kyler Murray model is not that great. Is it producing a lot of playoff wins so far? Does actually zero playoff wins? This wasn't my take.

I just wanted to see what you thought. The funny part is the, the Kyler Arizona model is like the Doug Peterson, Nick Foles model. Like we've seen it work before. Just, he just needs a better quarterback than Nick Foles to make it work. And maybe Jalen Hurts is that guy who is the better quarterback than Nick Foles.

So no, if again, I think you choose between Carson Wentz and Doug Peterson and the money involved and the less hassle is keeping the coach. All right. Well, so if they keep the coach coach the quarterback's on the move let's throw a few a few possibilities at you for where he could go you mentioned the Colts a week or two ago I was intrigued Philip Rivers looks pretty good I don't know what his you know long-term plans are it's a one-year deal for him all right well would he re-sign for another year and would they prefer Rivers at whatever he costs to Carson Wentz in a rebuild I don't know I think they would I didn think that Frank Reich would rather have the long-term stability of Carson Wentz.

I know it's a lot of money. I get that. But that feels like if he had to choose, I get four years of Carson Wentz or one more maybe year of Phillip Rivers, he would take Carson Wentz. Okay, interesting. So I think we have to consider that the most likely outcome and we'll keep an eye on that. Jets doesn't seem likely, but thoughts, Jets? Maybe?

No? Unless it depends on who they who they hire i don't i don't know it doesn't seem like there's anyone on earth unless it's like the guy from north dakota or something who knows carson personally i don't see that happening cowboys it's always fun to say we don't think cowboys do we no they're gonna just they're just signed back back right denver always seem like they're going to just sign Dak back. Right. Denver? Always seem like they're looking for the next quarterback. Denver? Nah. I mean, I think we want to pick Fangio maybe, but not at the current moment.

Okay. And then Washington, who can't make up their mind who their quarterback is. It's a lot of money, man. I think the Colts are the best option for everyone involved. Okay. You said you watched most of that game. I had it on for a little bit.

More commentary was done on the commentary than the play. Aqib Tlaib was like filling up my timeline. Did you have any take on Aqib Tlaib? Why do you think people are freaking out about the sound of him calling a game? Well, people were talking about his voice. I only listened to about five minutes of him calling a game well people were talking about his voice i guess i i only listened about five minutes of him um calling games i think that people like the the kind of the rawness of it like he was definitely not polished right not i mean not at all and he used

a lot of football terms uh a lot and i thought he did a good job explaining exit but like i understood it fully but i don't know if everyone else understood what he was saying sometimes. But I thought what was really good was his partner did a really good job. I remember there was a specific moment. They ran a – it was against – and Tlaib did a great job with this. It was cover three. They ran a – the outside receiver ran, like, a go or cleared out. And then the slot guy was Zach zach urtz he ran a corner

route and talib was like oh cover three if you run that seven in the corner does this and that then the guy's wide open and he's and then the play by play i was like well explain this seven to us he's gonna well it's a corner route so you run 10 yards up the field in a post you break to the middle and a corner you break to the sidelines. Like, that was great. That was great for everyone involved. So I didn't hear a lot of them. But I think people like unscripted, more raw. But again, be very clear about this. It's very important, guys. And I know, Gabe, you know this as well.

Is that social media is a very small percent of the people that watch these games. All right? And so it's a hard time explaining this to people like, Oh, how come this guy has a job? How come he says simple things? How come he doesn't talk about analytics? Because the rest of the country doesn't give a shit about that stuff.

No, they don't. And they just want to hear Troy Aikman, former Cowboys quarterback bumble around about quarterback play, right? Like that's, that's why guys, that's why, guys. That's why like there's this fine line between what we talk about on a podcast

or what we talk about on TV. I mean, I was talking to Mina Kimes about this the other day because people don't understand like a TV show, NFL Live, is not there to be breaking down specific X and Os on a freaking trap run, okay? It's there to talk about big NFL topics because most of the viewers aren't on Twitter. They don't care about that stuff. They want to hear about Jalen Hurts and Carson Wentz.

They want to hear about the Cowboys, the 49ers, and the Packers, and the Chiefs. They're not here to talk about X's and O's. So while Tlaib was great and people did like him on social media, I saw more of the older crowd kind of push back on that because he wasn't a traditional play-by-play guy or color guy.

I think he catered a lot to the younger crowd on social media that enjoys more of the explanation of the X and O's behind football. Yeah. Well, I know he preps because I work behind the scenes on a show with Trey Wingo, and he was Trey's guest this week. And he talked a lot about how he preps for these calls and he takes it seriously he does it just like he gets he used to get ready for games so it was cool to see I just I when Aqib Tlaib is trending you know for the whole afternoon I had to wonder why and I was curious to hear your take on it I I hope that more

guys with your view of football and I'm saying you and him together who can kind of nerd out a little bit but still sound like a regular dude i wish they'd put more guys like that in the booth that's all all right let's move the line this is our little betting segment we'll take a quick break we'll come back we'll make you uh pick over unders all right boom and there it is wireless on the most reliable network nationwide that's cool but. But with my wireless, I get unlimited for just $30. Impressive. But does yours have 5G included? Of course.

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The Bucs. No. You're going to take under 0.5. They go 0-1 in the postseason all right interesting uh the dolphins who would currently be in it looks like they'd be set to play the steelers no their offense is just not good enough not good enough they get in that's a triumph then they're they're heading home early agreed all right the cardinals who look like they're gonna probably get in but then would probably draw the Saints.

I don't trust Kingsbury, but the way Drew Brees is throwing the ball right now, I would, if I had to put money on this, the over would probably be, what, plus 150 in this game? That's your speciality. A money line, 200? I would put money on the over here just because I think the value would be good if you're looking at the teams we're talking about.

Yeah. I think what you're sort of driving at is if there's going to be sort of a quote unquote upset, the Cardinals are the type of team that could be a value, could be an upset pick for the first round. Yes. Yes. All right.

Well then let's talk about a team that I still need a few things to go right. But I, I sort of see them ending up in the post season, which are the Ravens. If they get in, depends on who they they play but they would seem very deadly over under 0.5 wins for them if they get in i think they could beat the steelers if they play the steelers i'd go over yeah yeah because i'm the the they wouldn't have to play the chiefs for assuming the chiefs keep the buy but then we're talking steelers bills or Titans, and I think they're a game with all of those teams.

Agreed. All right. Agreed. The Penn State is tough. One game with Lamar and one without. Yeah. All right. Last, for obvious reasons, NFC champ,

whether it's the Giants or, you know, DC or who the hell knows who else might still be alive technically, anyone in the NFC is able to win a game? No. If Washington wins this weekend, they're in. They win the division. Yeah. Okay.

So we'll see them as probably a 7-9, maybe an 8-8 division winner, and then they bow out quickly. All right. So let's move to that next tier of teams. These are teams I would expect to win one game. The question is over under one and a half wins. Can they get to two wins, maybe see a conference championship game? We covered them a lot.

The Browns. I'll give them one win, so under. They get in, they do their job, and then as soon as they match up with a better team, they're out. Yes. The Colts, the mystery. I saw you tweet it. Week after week, we say, when are we going to all right the colts the mystery i saw you tweet it we've week after week we say when are we going to learn about the colts if if they played the bills in round one

they would lose i would go under if they get the bills in the first round they'd lose and if that shakes out a little bit differently if the bills don't do their job in the last i still would not take i still so this is basically saying that these teams would make the conference title game to win two games that that's i think how that math works yeah yeah uh so i would say no then no the colts are not going to get there i wouldn't have thought so either all right the titans will definitely come down to who they play but can they win more than two um more than one yes i yes they can i mean defensively they're just a disaster. But I could see them making it back to the AFC Championship game, sure. All right.

We hit on these guys earlier, the Rams over in the NFC. We definitely think they have a shot at the NFC title game. Yes. Yeah, I agree with you. And their path might be simpler because they might get that NFC East team. Yeah. Okay, and then the Seahawks, who we think might lose to the Rams this coming weekend, but they're still the Seahawks.

They're just so up and down lately. I'll go yes here. I can see them doing it. I think their defense is actually going to turn back into a real defense. They've been playing better lately. Yeah, they really have, and now Russ isn't playing great,

but I think he'll obviously be a gamer in the post season. Their deal be good. I think, I don't know, man, there's like two or three teams in the NFC where you're like, I don't think we've talked enough about these guys. We've been spending all our time on the AFC.

They're one of those scary ones. The defense is playing better, but offensively, they're just kind of into just funk lately. Yeah. Well, and my fantasy team of into just funk lately. Yeah. Well, and my fantasy team has felt that funk by the way. Thanks for nothing, Russ.

Um, all right. Chances. The jets turn it around before the Falcons, uh, who found yet another way to hand themselves a loss. I have no idea how they managed to do it this weekend, but who can get their stuff back in order faster?

I'm going to say, um, over under 1% percent chance it's the jets i'll go over here oh you like the jets rebound faster than the falcons get it they have a ton of draft picks they have way more cap room much younger team five months are old no future quarterback just wait till you know the the the jets hire brian dable from the Bills, the OC. They keep Darnold. They trade back. They bring a bunch of draft picks in.

So I think that it's going to be the New York football Jets. All right. You slipped something in there that was obviously just a troll from earlier in the show. They're not going to keep Darnold if they get a new coach. I don't know, buddy. Who on this planet could become the coach and say, I want that guy as my quarterback? Andy Reid, maybe? I don't know.

Andy Reid's not going to go coach the Jets. There's no person who might be considered for the job who'd want to keep him. So let me ask you this. This was a tweet Colin put out there, and I thought it was kind of an interesting point. He said, yes, you obviously draft Trevor Lawrence if you're the Jets. But if you could end up in the number two and then get a haul by trading for the number two instead of drafting Justin Fields. Yes. That's probably a better outcome overall, isn't it?

Yes. I know. I'm starting to talk myself into this maybe even being better than trevor lawrence is to just get draft three more mckay beckton's right that's that's my point if you when that happens you keep sam no no no no no no no no so who's your quarterback then i don't care flacco maybe we get matt stafford can we get matt stafford in new york yeah maybe get carsonz. I'll take my chances. Carson Wentz or Matt Stafford paying all that stupid money with a bunch of Mekhi Bectons in front of him. I like our chances of

getting good faster than with Sam Darnold. All right, let's shift gears from teams that are barely in the NFL to college football teams that are very good. Playoff is set. We've got our four teams. We could have guessed the four that would be in. So my mind's already thinking about the future. I saw Stu Mandela, the athletic, write about expanding to eight. He's on board now. That's been the discussion. So I want to know, Jeff, teams that should make the playoff next year over under five. Are we just expanding it even a little bit?

Not next year, but I've been a proponent of keeping it at four, but it feels like that's just not good enough now. I think we go six first. Hit the five conference winners plus one. The plus one is debatable. Do you want it to be a group of five? Do you want it to be the next best five do you want it to be uh the next best at large team um you know it the group of five thing is really interesting gabe because

we've seen some group of five upsets in bcs bowls uh and we've seen some of them recently in in these um you know the whether the peach citrus bowl whatever the the the sec loser there's a real thing of a hangover after you lose the conference championship game. For example, the Pac-12, the loser of the Pac-12 championship game is now 0-9 in the subsequent bowl games. The loser of the SEC championship game has lost to UCF, has lost to Utah. So there's a real thing. In a playoff atmosphere, when you put up Cincinnati and Alabama,

when they're playing for an actual title, they're not playing just in a bowl game. They're playing for the title. They're a motivated Alabama team. Cincinnati loses that game by 35 points. Like, do we want to see – I don't want to see Alabama beat Notre Dame by three touchdowns either. But I also don't really want to see Alabama beat Notre Dame by three touchdowns either. But I also don't really want to see them.

There's a world in which Notre Dame can sort of maybe win that game because they have some talent. They have some NFL players. They've won games this year. They beat Clemson earlier in the season. Brian Kelly's a good coach. Gabe, if you played Cincinnati-Alabama 100 times, Cincinnati keeps that game close five times

and maybe wins once, right? Am I overblowing this? Okay, but fine. So let me follow you down this path. If you expand it to six instead of eight, eight is just the obvious easy way that you get all the conference champs in and you have a few at large. So you're right you put cincinnati in but eight leads to 12 at least to 16 like it

just continues to go on forever fair enough so let's go with six yeah and let's do it the way that the nfl used to do its conference seating so now we're going to give two teams buys so we could have told you before the season started it's going to be clemson alabama getting the buy now we're going to have four teams who are obviously in another tier compete and maybe you know so now the sec second best team gets in along with cincinnati or pac-12 champ is in now instead of out maybe some upsets happen in there maybe maybe a team gets hot maybe we're wrong maybe cincinnati keeps it close 20 times out of 100 isn't that worth finding out in those four in in that little circle of four and then let them all get blasted by clemson alabama i mean

i at this point at this point gave conversation, not just between us, but just generally speaking, like, it's just, no one's ever going to be satisfied. I don't really care what they do because, look, here's the thing. Alabama and Clemson are the two best teams in the country, and it's not remotely close this year. Maybe Ohio State's the third best team. It doesn't matter any format you have, Alabama or Clemson is going to win the championship. They're both not going to be upset. Like, let's say you have an 18 bracket, okay? Maybe one of those two gets upset. The other one is going to win the championship. They're both not going to be upset. Like, let's say you have an 18 bracket, okay?

Maybe one of those two gets upset. The other one's going to win it all. And so, in my opinion, it's up to the other schools to catch up to them, which is hard to do because they have all the recruiting talent and they have all the play. I mean, it's just like even watching that game this weekend, Alabama-Florida, I thought to myself, as good as I think Oregon can be, I don't know if they're i thought to myself as good as i think organ can be

i don't know if they're ever gonna be as good as alabama but i mean like if you knew that winning the pac-12 guaranteed you a spot in the playoff or being the best of those other big five schools got you a spot don't you think the recruiting would reflect that over a few years i mean we're recruiting is the top 10 classes now without being the playoff. We have three straight top 10 classes with no playoff opportunities. I guess I just don't follow why nobody could ever catch up. They're just, dude,

there's just so talented right now. It's not that nobody can catch up. They could. And Oregon is trying their best. I mean, they have three straight top 10 classes. I mean, I think in, in two, here's the thing about,

I'll just speak to Oregon specifically, because obviously I went there and I follow the program very well. Oregon is doing what USC did with Pete Carroll. They are amassing a large amount of talented NFL players on the offensive defensive lines. And that's how you have to compete in the South. And those USC teams could be anybody, right?

And they did. They won championships. They went in the South and they mauled teams, non-conference games, right? They just smashed teams. They played the greatest game ever against Texas. Could have gone either way, right? It was a toss-up game. Oregon is building a team in that manner.

So in two years, I might have a different tune. But as of right now, no one in the Pac-12 can even remotely be close to those teams. If these recruits pan out, like we just drafted, we just had a five-star kid from Utah committed as a left tackle. We've had Kayvon Thibodeau, five-star,

number one player in the country, killed USC on Friday night. If those guys continue to come in the program and play really well, then sure. But Alabama has a five-star near every position.

Like they have pros at almost every position. We are not there yet as a program. Can we get there in a couple of years? Yes, we can. So that's my thing is I think that we play tough. We play physical. But it's just the talent of Alabama would overwhelm us.

Maybe in two years, it might change my opinion. Okay. Well, if we're still doing this show, I'll ask you again in two years. I mean, think about Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a team that puts offensive linemen in the NFL every single year. And Alabama mauls them when they play. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't seem fair, but I think you could close the gap a little bit if all these programs knew they were going to have a shot at a title.

And a few of these conferences, I mean, including like the Big 12 at this point, they're like, well, things are going to have to break our way. Oklahoma's lost four playoff games. Well, just for some perspective, since you mentioned Oklahoma, 22 of the 28 playoff berths since we've had this four-team system, 22 times it's been one of the following teams. Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Notre Dame.

Yeah. That's it. Look, I looked at it as more of a dilation on the Pac-12 that I blame the other schools for being good. Yeah, well, fair enough. I mean, it got started when your school was in there a few years. Yeah, the first year, we beat Florida State and lost to Ohio State. Oregon has more playoff wins than does uh oklahoma we played within there one time

yeah all right let's stay out west um i'm wearing a lakers shirt because the season starts tuesday uh so i'll just ask over under 45 and a half wins for the lakers this year know that the season is shortened to 72 instead of 82 so you know our normal kind of eye line is a little shifted but best guess you taking the over on lakers what isn't there isn't a win total in vegas higher than that jeff this isn't vegas i'm sitting in el segundo california my friend and right here the number i would say would say, I would say, I would say, uh, over 50, I would say over 45 and a half. Yes. Okay. What's the number that I can't get you to go over? Um, you said 72 games, right? I believe that's right. Probably like, maybe like 57, 58. I probably wouldn't go over there. So you're expecting

a dominant run all season long. It isn't just to turn it on the right in the post season. They're going to be winners. They added some really good pieces via draft and free agency. Not via draft, via free agency and trade, I should say. So I think they added pieces to where LeBron can take a night off and they can still win games. Yeah, certain games for sure can give him a rest and they still have enough people who can score.

I want to ask you this, and then we can leave on some chicken talk. Do you think that LeBron is trying to stick around until his son is drafted so they can play together? I'll tell you what, it was a lot of fun to watch Tiger Woods and his son play this weekend. I think LeBron might be doing that, yes. It was so cool to see Tiger's kid. I know people have mixed emotions about Tiger, but I don't know, man. Just the way they edited those videos together with the fist pumps and the red and the swing

and just the way they stand and address putts. All of it was cool man it was it was really cool and seeing lebron with his kid doing that on a basketball court would be unbelievable it would be a lot of fun it was it was very fun to watch tiger woods and like you have kids now so you know this that like the pride you get of like your kids doing things well is better than anything you do like it's oh fantastic. And so that must've been so cool for him. Yeah. Also,

well, I mean, I don't know what it would be like to have a kid as talented as his son seems to be at golf, but even minor crap that probably isn't all that impressive to a parent blows your mind. Like, you know,

just the proper pronunciation of a new word. I'm like, kids, genius. I mean, Oh, I'm with you. Yeah. Everything. Yeah. You're like, kid's a genius. I mean. Oh, I'm with you. Yeah, everything.

Yeah, you're like, oh my God, my kid can do this. Wow. Yeah. Well, Jeff, over under, this is in the rundown. And for reasons that I don't actually understand, and I don't know if there's news here that you need to share. Over under chances you get noob chickens, 50%. Did you have another chicken massacre?

So we, last night, so my daughter goes and plays with the chickens all the time. So we let them roam our yard. And my daughter plays with them all the time. And yesterday, she was outside and she's like, Daddy, Mommy. Blueberry, the blue one. Blueberry is not moving. Uh-oh. She's just laying there and she's dead.

And I was like, Emmy, she's not dead. She's just taking a nap. So my wife peers out the door and she's dead as can be. And she said my daughter was, she said she saw her playing out there with Blueberry and a hawk like killed her or something. I don't, there was no blood or nothing. Maybe just like, I don't know how the hawk got her.

But shit, Emmy was out there like trying to pick the bird's head up and then every time she would let the bird's head go just would flop back down because it was dead as can be it literally just died it had just it had just died because she emmy went outside and i said emmy you see a bird out there she goes yeah i saw a big bird next to blueberry and it was the hawk who was like so do you think that these animals the hawk or the raccoons or whatever it was last are they just scaring the chickens to death literally just scaring them to have heart attacks i've thought that actually especially with the raccoon because only one of the birds

had blood on it yeah there was no blood i think they just get and these i've been told are softer chickens and like they i think they just have a heart attack and die because the other the only one of the birds like i said uh the first time the raccoons got them um they were there was no blood yeah except one of them so i don't know what happened and this one had no blood we like i picked it up put my gloves on we picked it up i looked it over it. Put it in a trash bag, threw it in the trash. I'm not sure you're supposed to admit that, but okay. Where are you supposed to put it?

I'm not, I don't know because I don't own livestock. So I'm not sure what you're supposed to do. I'm guessing there's a procedure. Well, we have three left and they'll be gone within probably two weeks as the hawk just takes them down. I'm not,

this has been a failed experiment. I reinforced the coop. The raccoons have not gone in the raccoons have been fine no problem goodbye land it's by air that you have a problem yeah but dude i just i can't do it you know expensive it is to buy like a cage to put in the backyard so the birds don't get murked by the hawk it's just like it's not worth it yeah i i just want a dog i just want like a fluffy puppy german shepherd just delivered to my house i think by the when we get after the season and we have uh time for it i think we still need to have your wife on the show to talk about what uh what the goal is here with the chickens because it does seem like a fail they're not going to, they're not going to be here. They're probably won't even be here until February.

I mean, the rate we're going. I feel bad. I like the chickens. I don't want animals to die. Like, that's not what I'm doing this for. No, clearly. But, I mean, it's just like, it's just. Have you considered maybe getting an even more vicious deadly bird of prey to be sort of a defense against hawks and raccoons

like do you get a an eagle or something to perch near the chickens i should get a fake eagle and put it right on the roof um i bought these deflector things that supposedly work you put them in the ground they spin and they deflect the they deflect like the the light around so birds get all disoriented not my birds like the falcon hawk just on a positive note my wife rented arcade games to put in the garage for three months oh that's cool if you saw this development so we got a claw machine ski ball pop a shot and ask for nfl blitz or nba jam we'll see how it goes i hope you get nba jam well i mean it sounds like your defense is as hopeless uh on behalf of your chickens as all defenses are against patrick mahomes and the chiefs uh it sounds like it's just unstoppable so good luck i hope it's not a mess the next few

weeks uh we'll check in on that again soon But thank you for making me smarter on a number of topics. And basically, I'm where I was. It's the Chiefs for sure and probably the Packers. And we'll find out next week if that changes. I'm with you. I'm with you. All right, guys. Have a great couple of days.

Three straight winning weeks. Almost back to 500. Getting so close. Feeling it. Two weeks left to regular season. So, we'll have a lot of fun with this. All right, guys. Have a great couple of days.

Talk to you guys on Thursday.