Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Lamar Beats Baker in the Game of the Year & the Steelers Fall to the Bills

Episode Date: December 15, 2020

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It's Tuesday, December 15th. We had a good week of football and a great Monday Night Football ending. The rest of the media can finally admit the Chiefs are the team to beat in the AFC. Taysom Hill struggled and Oregon has a chance to ruin USC's season on Friday. I am Jeff Schwartz alongside Ged Gunn, who will be in just a second. This is Jeff Schwartz to smart on you. And guys, I'm glad we wait till the end of My Night Football to record the beginning of this podcast because, wow, what an incredible game. The Ravens win 47-42 over the Browns. Shades of the 2018 Rams and Chiefs Classic on My Night Football.

And there's so much to start with, so much to begin with. Lamar Jackson goes out of the game for what he was doing, but nonetheless comes back in the fourth quarter, fourth and five, makes a play. Ravens take the lead. Browns come all the way back and score with just under a minute left. Ravens take three, four pass plays, I should say, get in the field goal range.

Tucker blast home a 55-yard field goal, and the Browns end up then giving up a safety on the lateral play, which ends up screwing everyone who bet on the Browns as the Ravens do cover that game by five. So here are my takeaways, my overall takeaways. Let's start with the Browns, okay? I've been harsh on Baker Mayfield,

and he proved me wrong tonight. He did a great job of moving the ball down the field, especially second half. He got into more of a rhythm, and we saw more of a drop-back passing game from him, which is something that I've been critical about, right? When things are schemed up well, Stefanski, the Browns OC and head coach,

does a great job of making things work well for this Browns offense, right? They run the football, they move Baker out of the pocket, they play action pass, they do great things to get him set up in great situations, right? And what he struggled with for a lot of the night,

but not in the fourth quarter, was the drop back passing game, right? We need to set his feet four wides, third and eight, and make a play. And as the game went on, he got more confident. The Ravens kept bringing pressure, bringing pressure, bringing pressure, and just never got home, right? They got close to being there, but just never got home. And so I'm moving off of my Baker Mayfield, might not be the future to. Maybe he is, but he's more of like that. Jimmy G and Jared Goff type of future, right?

Where things have to kind of go perfectly right throughout a game to give him a situation. Remember the Browns had four fumbles and, and, and, and didn't lose any of them. Lamar Jackson is part of this game because he was pooping slash cramping. So the Browns got a little bit of some breaks here and there to make this a close game.

But my main takeaway for the Browns is this, is when you're a young football team, we saw today no starter over 30 years old the entire season, young football team, and they're a good football team. These heartbreaking losses can fuel you to something special, okay, for a couple reasons. One is that when you have a meteoric rise like they did, right? These heartbreaking losses can fuel you to something special, okay, for a couple reasons. One is that when you have a meteoric rise like they did, right? Last year, not a playoff team, entrance game 9-3, everyone's hyping them up, talking about them, right? You start feeling yourself, rightfully so, right? I mean, you're playing good football.

You start feeling yourself, you start feeling yourself. And sometimes you need a loss to realize you haven't arrived yet. And the NFL is better than anyone else at humbling you when you think you've arrived before you have. And often these losses can do that for you, right? So the Browns players remember this feeling of not finishing the game against their rivals, right? Being down 14 points and making a great comeback, right?

They know they can do that. But it takes a playoff caliber team, a team like the Ravens, to pull out a game like this in the end. And I think that, again, the Browns will learn from this feeling of heartbreak, of the ache they're going to feel for a couple days now preparing for the Giants next weekend. I believe that's also either Sunday Night Football or Monday Night Football. And they're going to use that as motivation to not let this happen again, to not let the Ravens or any other team win close

games like this the Browns will work on finishing these games so in a loss there can be positive that's what I think the positive is here is that this will fuel them guys it's going to be you can you can have important losses and I feel like this is an important loss for them on the flip side the Ravens offense wow are they back I mean are we are we seeing a new Ravens a new Ravens offense, wow, are they back? I mean, are we seeing a new Ravens team again as they're getting guys healthy back from COVID? This is an offense that for a long time was stagnant, and they did a lot of it by the ground tonight. Lamar Jackson, again, passing, just missing guys.

It's just not quite in sync. And Chris Brown at Smart Football, fabulous account, was saying Greg Roman, a lot to blame for this, right? Just kind of not a sophisticated passing game. He said it's one of the least sophisticated in the NFL. Lamar actually had a more sophisticated passing game in college, which he did at Louisville, right? Bobby Petrino, his coach, is a pro-style coach. But that being said, though, there's still some disconnect, right?

He's missing guys and we're having dropped passes. And same thing that I talk about the Steelers, and we'll do them in a little bit, is we're just, the passing game is so important in the NFL now. I mean, that's how teams win and lose games. And he may play when it matters tonight, but the drop back passing, both him and Baker Mayfield, leaves a little bit to be desired.

And if the run game is not quite working, what other gear do you have? Now again, Lamar made a fantastic play in the fourth half. Not many quarterbacks in the NFL can do that, right? And if the run game is not quite working, what other gear do you have? Now, again, Lamar made a fantastic play in the fourth. Not many quarterbacks in the NFL can do that, right? He's rolling out of the pocket. The Browns suck their defense in, and Lamar hits him behind for a big touchdown. Brown actually caught that ball.

So there were obviously positives, right? Running the football was great. Lamar looked like he was healthy again and moving around. The offense was running the ball. The Patrick offense line was doing a good job. They protected him decently well for the most part. You know, there was some slippage for Lamar on the turf. So my takeaway for the Ravens is that they're kind of the team we thought they were.

It was good to see their offense come back defensively. Can't allow 42 points to the Browns. Can't allow them to come back for 14 points. So there's things to work on there. A lot of that is injury-wise, getting guys back from COVID. So to wrap this up, Browns, great effort. So you can learn a lot from a bad loss, a heartbreaking loss. I think they will learn a lot from this loss.

The Ravens, obviously now, if they get the 16, man, and they play Pittsburgh, or excuse me, 17, and play Pittsburgh as a two seed, Pittsburgh doesn't want to see this Ravens team. It's the last team they want to see, right? The Ravens have played well against the Steelers this season, even in a game when Robert Griffin III started. So, Steelers, not the best, but the Ravens now,

probably in the playoffs, the Browns, probably in the playoffs, you have three teams from that division in the playoffs. Fabulous game, man. I love the NFL. I love the NFL. For games like this, man, what a game. The entire timeline was talking about football, no politics, and everyone was enjoying the game, right? There's nobody who didn't enjoy this game. It was a fabulous game. Everyone enjoyed this game. It was fantastic. All right, let's get to Gabe. We're going to talk about some in and out, some Jets, some Taysom Hill, some Chiefs, all of that.

We'll do that next. All right, let's welcome in Gabe. All right, guys, let's bring in Gabe. Gabe, how was your football weekend, sir? My weekend of football was great. The Jets continued to do what they're supposed to do. I won my fantasy league, and I took my kids to In-N-Out Burger for the first time during the Sunday games. And success.

One out of two loved it. The son ate the burger, animal style, and the fries. Daughter ate the fries. Not as big a fan of the burgers. So I'd say that's a win. So the thing about In-N-Out is so interesting to me is that people say, oh say oh it's not good it's not good because the fries aren't very good it's a burger place not a fry place yeah and you can get your fries any way you want it you can order them more well done crispy it's a little soggy you can put whatever you want on them people are just lazy

with that take i am i am not a fan of that take also one take before we get going here you mentioned the jets you know i see these people floating around about this you know trevor lawrence that deserve to go there what do you what do you mean like it's this is what the nfl does nfl is a draft i mean is the draft fair i don't know but the jets are going to hire a new coach they're gonna have a new system a new everything in place why is it unfair for trevor lawrence to go to the to the Jets I don't know this is the the NBAification of the NFL happening before our eyes and people need to say a firm Heisman to this take guys it is not your god-given right to play for a guaranteed championship contending team just because you're pretty good at sports for our whole lifetimes Jeff you won by helping build a team around you and getting a little

bit lucky. Let's be honest. You didn't just walk onto the team that was already pre-made to win a championship. It doesn't work that way. Right. It doesn't work that way. And you know, the NFL system has been working guys, right? We've seen players that they get drafted on quote unquote, bad teams as quarterbacks end up making that team a lot better. Right. And they end up having opportunity to win a bunch of Super Bowls, right? I mean, look, the Chiefs haven't been bad, but they didn't win a championship in 50 years. Here comes Pat Mahomes, and they won a championship.

That's what happens, right? You have a chance to Joe Burrow right now with the Bengals. I know he's hurt, but he looks like he's got them in a new direction. Look at Lamar Jackson with the Ravens. Now, the Ravens are more successful, but nonetheless, you can be a bad football team, draft the right guy, and end up, you know, soaring up the top. So, all right, man, let's start with some fun with the, the center football game. Well, yeah. I mean, you talk about a few teams who it seems like drafted well and have enjoyed the success since at least for the most part,

Jeff, you've been saying all year long, even with me nagging at you, that the Steelers are good, but they're not better than the Chiefs. I think most people on Monday morning, the simple take was, man, the Steelers kind of suck and here come the Bills. That was the whole summary of Sunday night. I don't know if everyone should be crapping on Pittsburgh like they are, but they are. So semi-related. If that Chiefs win that we saw on Sunday was like the awful bad Pat Mahomes game and they still won that way I no longer think there's anyone who can beat them I'm gonna say you've been right all along unless the Bills can do it because they can score a lot and they can

score fast two things you've warned me could be a problem for the Chiefs so I'm gonna say there's no team left except maybe, maybe the Bills on their best day. And we're talking about the AFC only right now, correct? That's right. Yeah, let's keep it to the AFC. One step at a time. I think there's many things to talk on the NFC side,

and we'll get to that some part of the show. So my reaction from the game that we saw Sunday night is simple. I do feel very vindicated, right? I told you guys that the Steelers offense really worried me, and it was more about the ability to get the ball down then we saw when they got behind it just it when you watch the bills play it's a good example those are example offense how many guys times they have guys wide open yeah it seems like all the time all the time when how often the steelers have guys wide open down the field never never the offense just it's so hard to move the ball on offense.

And then rushing the football. So everyone says, well, Steelers don't run the football. Yeah, they don't, and there's some good reasons for that. One is they're always in shotgun, right? But when you're in shotgun to run the football, a couple things happen. One is that it limits your menu of plays you can run, right? Because the running back in shotgun is on either side of the quarterback, right? So if he's on the right side of the quarterback,

how many different things can you do with the ball? You can pitch it, I guess. But you're basically going to run to the offensive line. The offense is left. That's your only option to run there. Defenses know this. And then when you take out the ability for the quarterback to run the football on a shotgun run,

the defense, again, one less thing to worry about. So they crowd the box. They know when they're going to run the football. I have the shotgun formation. Last night, they went under center a little bit, the Steelers did, and they ran the ball a lot better. So the Steelers' offense right now, it doesn't have a lot of creativity. It doesn't have a downfield passing game.

Too many drops, obviously, mostly from two guys. But those two guys are part of the offense. That's part of your offense identity. And so we're seeing a lot of issues with them on offense. I feel very vindicated. Now, Buffalo is an interesting story here because this game was fairly close to a bet through the pick six. And even on that, you know, the Bills offense didn't score more than 20 points.

That's more than 19 points, right? Like there's something missing there on that offense too. And no? Am I wrong? No, I don't know man i i i've been putting up with you slandering the bills for a season and a half now well i'm gonna pull up i'm gonna pull up the the good defenses they played this year the good teams they played this year and how many points they scored because the on offense right on offense so they played the steelers they scored

19 points good defense don't get me wrong right they they played the patriots they scored 19 points. Steelers, good defense. Don't get me wrong, right? They played the Patriots. They scored 24 points against the Patriots. They played the Chiefs, scored 17 points against the Chiefs. They're scoring a ton of points against really bad teams, and that's great. That's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to do that. You're supposed to score against bad teams. But their offense yesterday was okay. Pittsburgh's defense is really good.

I get that. But the question becomes, can they beat the Chiefs? And there's two ways to beat the Chiefs, and the Bills do one of the two things. The first way is to rush four and sit back in zone and hope Pat makes mistakes. That's not the Bills. The Bills do not rush the passer very well. We saw them play this season already. Pat was virtually untouched.

The second way, and what you're alluding to, is scoring a ton of points. Scoring a ton of points. And I don't think one team in the NFL can do that, and that's the Green Bay Packers against this Chiefs team. Buffalo can, in theory, do that, but you've got to score 35 points to beat them. And the Raiders won 40 to 32. Even the Dolphins game, if the Dolphins would have won Sunday,

they would have had to score 34 points. Now, the Chiefs did score 10 points outside of their offense, so that's important to note there as well. But it's a lot of points, and the Bills have scored 26, 34, 27, 30, 44. There's a 16, a 17, 18, a 24. I mean, you've got to score a ton, a ton of points to beat the Chiefs, and that's why the Packers, I think, right now, into entering Week 15, are the team I think that could do it.

Again, it's really hard. Pat Mahomes played his worst game of the season and still threw for nearly 400 yards and the Chiefs won, you know, going away. But they do have a problem, Gabe. I think this is an issue that I know Chiefs fans don't necessarily agree with my take here, but I do think it's a problem.

Chiefs cannot close out football games right now. It's a big concern. They've now had five straight games they haven't covered. And think about this game. They're up 30-10. You get to Dolphins offense. Offense that really is not explosive with Tua. They allow them to come all the way back.

It's now 30-24. The Chiefs have to convert a fourth and one to ice the game away, and then Tyreek Hill doesn't even run out of bounds. He doesn't even stay in bounds. He runs out of bounds, stops the clock. If he stays in bounds, the game is over. The Dolphins have no more timeouts. Instead, he runs out of bounds, stops

the clock, two-minute warning stops the clock, and the Chiefs have to kick a long field goal to ice that game away. They could have missed that field goal. Dolphins have a short field. Could have been blocked. Dolphins scoop and score a touchdown, win the game. The Chiefs keep doing this, Gabe, and it worries me when you get to the playoffs

because you're playing a better team, obviously, in the playoffs. If they're playing the Bills, by the way, and don't put the Bills away, Josh Allen can come down and score. It's not the Dolphins. It's not Drew Locke. It's not Teddy Bridgewater. It's the Bills offense. So I worry with that with the chiefs they

might beat themselves in the playoffs well okay so i'm i'm gonna spend my time talking about the bills then uh i think most people i follow woke up on monday morning and were like put josh allen right back at the top of the mvp race let's talk josh allen i saw my buddy peter schrager saying he'd rather build a team around him than kyler or Tua or Deshaun or some of the other young guys out there I think we saw by the way the game that everyone remembers for the d-hop Hail Mary over the bills Josh Allen won that game for them in the final two minutes with the kind of drive you're talking about like he can pull magic out of his you know what what are you sure that you got the josh allen take right the last couple of years or could he have just figured it out like i know why you were skeptical well i was

definitely wrong about that i mean i think it's clear that i that he is and his improvement over the last year is something that we've it's almost unheard of nfl history yeah people that said by the way oh he's gonna improve his, no. You got lucky here. That doesn't happen in the NFL. Like, pat yourself on the back. I get it. But Josh Allen's the outlier. He's the outlier in all of this.

He's what Alex Smith was. Bad for many years. Got a new coach in Harbaugh. Went to Andy Reid and became a good quarterback. Josh Allen was not good the last two years. Obviously, this year, much better improved. Brian D'Abel, their OC, gets a lot of credit for that. But the idea that he was going to be this guy, we have not seen this in NFL history. So everyone who says, oh, I knew it,

I knew it. Yeah, you didn't know it. You hoped it was going to happen, but you hadn't seen it happen before. And the Bills obviously put a lot into hoping that it happened. And it did, obviously, with what they've done with this offense. I give the bills credit for sticking with him, obviously. But look, his game last night, he was 24 of 43 for 238 yards. It played well in the second half for about the third quarter. But like, I think we act like this was an MVP game and it really wasn't.

Aaron Rogers had MVP game yesterday. So did Pat Mahomes, even with two tipped interceptions. I just don't know if Josh Allen, if you didn't play an MVP game yesterday. Well, okay. But it was a primetime game against the team up until that moment, people thought could win the conference and he did everything he needed to do. I think the person who got more love, frankly, on Twitter, which is where we pull a lot of the info for this show, was Stefan Diggs, who was like always in that, to me, that second tier,

like really nice player, fantasy players knew him, but was not an elite, elite guy. And all of a sudden, like I'm watching the game last night and it's the only person we're allowed to talk about. The top receiver in the whole league

is now Stefan Diggs. Is that a little bit of an overreaction? Like you see him play. He's obviously a nice player. Is he the best? Why don't we do this, man? Like, I don't know why. I mean, I get why we do it.

It's reactionary. It's social media. We're going to do this. But I think the reason why people come to me and listen to this podcast is I don't do that. Right. Right. We talked about how long the NFL season is.

And we'll talk about last week. You know, the thoughts we had the first four weeks, even look at yesterday. Okay. The Giants greatest five and seven team ever. Oh my God. they're incredible! We bet against them. We had a complete egg, right? Complete egg. You know, even the Dolphins' offense. Everyone's like, Dolphins, great!

They're so good! And it's like, look at their numbers on offense. That was their best game they played all season on offense with Tua. It's hard to play in this league. All these thoughts we have, you have to take an entire season. You cannot look at one game and say, this is the end result. Stephon Diggs is the best receiver in the NFL.

Because, I don't know, Travis Kelsey is leading the NFL in receiving yards right now. DK Metcalf is second. Stephon Diggs is doing a great job. Don't take anything away from him. Devontae Adams is healthy for a full season. He might lead the NFL in receiving. If DeAndre Hopkins played on a different season, he might lead the NFL in receiving. If DeAndre Hopkins played on a different offense, he might lead the NFL in receiving.

I just don't know if we have – I don't often like to say best because I feel like we can – I like tiers better, right? Like tier one, tier two, tier three, because often there is not a best, definitive best. There is a quarterback. It's Pat Mahomes, right? That's easy to talk about. But there's also a close 1B, Russell Wilson.

The one position in the NFL that there's not even close to, it's Aaron Donald, big gap, and then like Fletcher Cox. Like it's like, that's pretty simple. But this whole idea of like, this has to be the best guy, I don't buy into that. So no, he's not the best wide receiver. Is he one of the top 10 or eight best? Sure.

But to come after a game like that and be like, the best, I don't get that mentality. All right, well, then let me ask you this, because I heard some smart analysis from, I think it was Tim Hasselbeck, doing SportsCenter after the game, and he said some stuff that I needed you to help interpret, which was Diggs is obviously, you know, good, like you just described,

at all the things you need to be good at as a receiver. But he spotlighted his understanding of finding space in a zone and having quick short space movements and i didn't quite know what to make of that i kind of think i understood the zone point but the quick short space movements i needed a little help with well i think in a in a zone you know you have to sit down in a zone right so if if you know if there's if you're getting brack down in a zone, right? So if you're getting bracketed in a zone or there's a tiny little hole in a cover three, right? He's able to find that hole in the zone and settle down there, stop his feet, catch the ball, and then accelerate

really away from where the defender is. So man coverage, it's you versus the guy next to you, right? So it's a one-on-one matchup. You can just run by the guy. You could stack him and run by him. But zone coverage, you know, it takes a precise route runner to find that little area where you have to be, right? You're hooking into the area.

You're dragging across. You know, or times there's, you know, you're running a drag route. You have to stop somewhere, catch the ball. So there's a lot of things that kind of are that short area quickness that works well with what Diggs does. A lot of comeback, you know, he let him run a comeback routes last night. So that's part of what I think Hasselbeck means. Well, and I think it also, it brings us full circle back to Josh Allen,

which is if a guy was not an especially accurate quarterback, but has a receiver who can find him the extra foot or two of catchable space and run the slightly better route to make up for maybe, you know, his lack of perfect accuracy. Maybe that's why we're seeing so much improvement in the passing game. Because we're talking Allen, I want to throw something at you that tell me if there's nothing to this or this is actually like interesting to you. I couldn't come up with an actual topic for this,

but my guess is, here's my hot take. This is the best quarterback class maybe ever that we're going to see in the postseason. I'm going to run you through the names we expect to see as of this moment. We'll have absolute surefire lock Hall of Famers in Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Russell Wilson, Patrick Mahomes, Big Ben, and then a probable Hall of Famer in Phillip Rivers. All those guys are expected to be in. We have two former MVPs who could maybe still sneak in in the AFC in Lamar Jackson and Cam Newton.

We have potential future stars and MVP types, don't roll your eyes at this, in Josh Allen and Baker Mayfield. And we have a few guys where the jury's still a little bit out, but let's be honest, they've overachieved their whole careers in Alex Smith, Jared Goff, and Ryan Tannehill. There's no stinker quarterback set to make the playoffs this year. I can't think of a better year for quarterbacks in the postseason than this.

Yeah, it's a good idea. It's a good, and you know, you got Tannehill in there, yeah. There's no, the worst quarterback in the postseason will probably be Jared Goff who's been to a Super Bowl or be out it'd be Alex Smith or Daniel Jones Alex Smith is like one of the best winning percentages of all time if you didn't like as of now which of that crew is the worst I mean Alex um or of course Daniel Jones gets in that'll be the best 5-8 team of all time, Gabe. Did you know that? So, yeah, it's, look, the NFL,

I was thinking about this today. I was just thinking about the quarterbacks in the NFL. And there was a time when, you know, the early 2000s, maybe in the first 10 years of the decade, there was, I think, a shortage of quarterbacks. We were worried about what would happen in the NFL when Manny retired and Brady Breeze, which they obviously haven't retired yet. We have too many quarterbacks

now. There's too many guys. I mean, James Swenson should be starting in the NFL. There's no surprise. Andy Dalton, in most years, five years ago, would have been starting in the NFL. Look at who's coming next year. Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields and the kid from BYU, Zach Wilson and Lance Harbor.

Trey Lance from North Dakota State. Plus, Sam Donald's going to find a home somewhere. Carson Wentz might find a home somewhere. There's so many quarterbacks in the NFL right now that we have almost too many of them. It's an incredible time to watch the league. Almost everyone has a guy any weekend that could beat you.

Well, you're identifying the exact problem in Philadelphia, which I guess is a good problem to have. They got too many quarterbacks. They like Jalen Hurts now. Some people this morning, Monday morning, are waking up thinking he's a world beater, and here come the Eagles because he had a pretty good game, and he beat the Saints.

I mean, credit to him. First start beats the Eagles because he had a pretty good game and he beat the Saints I mean credit to him first start beats the Saints stats were pretty good um I don't know I'm not all the way there you have been basically saying you know they don't really matter and oh by the way the Saints are overrated anyway you've also been telling us excuse me you haven't been saying the Saints are overrated you've been saying Taysom Hill of the Saints is overrated. He wasn't very good. What a surprise. Yeah, so I don't know what to make of this Jalen Hurts win and the situation in Philly. I don't even care about talking about that. I think I really want to talk about

what the hell are the Saints supposed to do now that Taysom Hill has been slightly exposed and maybe they should go to the actual backup, Jameis Winston, instead. Yeah, it's a great question. So Taysom Hill has played four games this year, right? Two against the Falcons, who he's played well against. One against Denver, which he didn't terribly play well against, right?

He didn't throw the ball very much, but Denver was playing, you know, Kendall Hilton at Hinton at quarterback. So there was no contest there. This is the first time he played a real defense with a real pass rush. The first time this year he was behind early in a game, like big behind early. He was behind in the Falcons game, he was behind early in a game, like big behind early. He was behind in the Falcons game, I think like six to three, but like big behind early, right?

17, nothing. And we saw he ain't the guy to bring you back. And this is the problem in the NFL is if you're Taysom Hill, or even if I don't want to put Lamar Jackson there, but he won the MVP, but this is a problem that he's had as well. He is. Yes. When things are going well, you are a great quarterback.

But what happens in adversity? What happens when things aren't going well? That's what makes or breaks your career in the NFL. Pat Mahomes is great, obviously, when everything's happening. But also, when they're behind by 10 points, he's great. When they're behind 24 points, when they're up 15 points, he's great. So are Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson and Deshaun Watson, all these guys. But what happens, even Deshaun Watson all these guys but what happens

even Deshaun Watson by the way he entered he entered this weekend in the fourth quarter on a bad team number one in the NFL and passing was number two passing touchdowns and number two in yards per attempt obviously this last weekend was a disaster probably went down but even on a bad team he paused well when it matters the most and Taysom Hill didn't prove that this weekend he could do that. Can he do it moving forward? I would say no, but of course anything's possible, Gabe. I mean, I just don't see it happening moving forward. As of today, Monday night as we're recording this,

supposedly Breeze is maybe coming back, maybe not. It's an interesting decision by the Saints because now they're tied with the Packers. The Packers have an easy schedule on the way out. And they need that home field advantage. They don't want to go to Lambeau in January and play an outdoor game. And so I think if Brees is back, they're going to play him. But look, this Taysom Hill thing, he's 30 years old, guys. He's not your future quarterback.

So you're not being the Chiefs with Taysom Hill. With Drew Brees, I might take the Saints plus three. With Taysom Hill, I'm betting on the Chiefs. He's not going to fool the Chiefs. And against the Chiefs, you're going to have to score 35 points. That's not what Taysom Hill. I'm betting on the chiefs. He's not going to, he's not going to fool the chiefs and against the chiefs, you have to score 35 points. That's not what Taysom Hill does. So I'm going to be right on Taysom Hill. What a, what a silly, I don't know why Sean Payton is so, so enamored with this offense. I don't get it, man.

Well, okay. And I think this was the validation weekend for a lot of the Jeff Schwartz takes that have bounced around on this show and Taysom Hill did not look like the guy who can win you a Super Bowl so I guess let me ask the question more bluntly um should they go to Jameis until Drew is ready there was no big rush for Drew a week ago when we talked about this now maybe I don't know is Jameis the stopgap well he's not going to be because they're not going to admit that this was a mistake after one bad weekend yeah like okay we know coaches are have egos right and Sean Payne has put a lot of money into Taysom Hill has put a lot of equity into Taysom Hill just like his own

reputation Taysom Hill after one bad game where really the offensive line didn't play their best game they didn't run the ball the best, the Chiefs' defensive line is not the Eagles' defensive line, they might throw him back out there, especially if Brees is not ready. You might not want to rush Brees back to get him hurt again for the playoffs. They've made this offense for him. He will most likely start

this weekend, and he'll play. They're not going to bring Winston in unless they're behind 14 points with 7 minutes left, and then they have to throw the ball to come back, which is an indictment on Taysom Hill, right? They have to consider bringing in a backup quarterback to go down the field. It's the same thing that the Dolphins did a couple weeks ago.

They brought in Fitz to try to score a bunch of points. Yeah, it's a strange scenario. Well, we got here by you saying that there's almost too many quarterbacks right now, so let me go back to where I began with the Eagles. If they're even worth discussing, you know, now they have Jalen Hurts. They say they're going to go with him next week. Are we done with Carson Wentz forever? Like, is that it?

Is he done as an Eagles quarterback? So it's really interesting. I'm going to pull up a tweet that Dan Orlovsky sent out. But he basically put out a tweet that he knows Eagles very well. That, you know, basically, and it's something that we've come to talk about for a while now. There is some disconnect between Carson Wentz and the Eagles. And really Doug Peterson. And he put it out here.

I'm going to get this tweet just to make sure I have the right word. The wording said, okay, here it is right here the wentz peterson relationship is weird man this is danilovsky tweeting it seems other quarterbacks bring out the best in doug as a play caller and designer when springs out the worst there is just some form of block or disconnect between the two of them reich was that for wentz doug doesn't seem like it and that sums it up well we've've talked about this, right? That there's no rhythm in the offense. And with Nick Foles, well, he's not as talented as Carson Wentz. He just did what they told him to do.

If it was a three-yard pass, he took the three-yard pass. The seven-yard pass, he took the seven-yard pass. If it was a deep shot, he took the deep shot. He threw the ball quickly. If you noticed, everyone played better in offense. The offensive line played better this weekend. The wide receivers played better. Nazemani drops.

I don't think it's Jalen Hurts being an amazing quarterback. He did a good job for his first start. I think this weekend to go to Arizona, I'm actually, I really almost want to fade the Eagles off that win in Arizona. And we'll get to that, obviously, on Wednesday's show, Thursday's show. But I just, and Dan's right, right? When you watch them play yesterday, it seemed more in sync, more in rhythm. Doug Peterson was being aggressive.

They had good play calls. Things clicked and worked. When you watch Carson Wentz, it's a dumpster fire. And so the Eagles have to decide because the contract for Wentz is massive. If he's on the team next year, he has to play. So do you keep Doug Peterson with Carson Wentz do you get rid of Peterson which it would be weird to do that like in March right so do you get rid of him now and say hey we're going to bring in someone else we've decided we're keeping Wentz do you do you

try to force them to make this work in a regular offseason without COVID they can meet more often to figure out a way to make it work or do you ship them off to the Colts and just eat the contract eat some of the contract and let him to the Colts and just eat the contract, eat some of the contract, and let him be the Colts quarterback next season? Okay, that's interesting. So you're linking him to the Colts because we don't think Rivers will be around for long and because of that connection to Reich. Okay. Well, I don't know, but it doesn't seem like the coach

and quarterback should stay in Philly. And if they can get rid of the money for the you know for the quarterback obviously it looks like they got something in jalen hurts i think that has to be their preference and ownership in the fan base has to be thinking about jalen hurts um i i look i i know that and this is again i i just we cannot Again, I just cannot make reaction after one week of football. We can't do it. I know it's fun to do, folks. And if you want to go watch those TV shows that do that, be my guest. But after one week, in a game that Hurts played okaying,

he wasn't efficiency great. He was just good. He was good for his first start. Nothing special. He was just good. He's going to struggle this weekend in Arizona, I think. If we go to Arizona, Arizona, Kyler Murray looked healthy this weekend. Much different team when he's healthy. And then we're going to be like,

oh, we're off hurts. Just wait the last month of the season. There's three games left. Let's evaluate his entire month of football before we decide whether or not the eagles will keep wentz or keep hurts seems very fair to me jeff that's not how this works though so uh i don't think that's going to be what happens let me let me bring one more team up before we get to moving the line where i think probably people just keep waiting and waiting and waiting to have a take on

i can't find a Rams take out there, but I'm here to remind you that because they played on Thursday night, they sort of get lost in the shuffle. It is entirely possible that they will beat Seattle week 16, win the division at 12 and four, be on a five game win streak, won like seven of their last eight or something, and that no one will have paid attention to the rams that are just a couple years removed from a super bowl with basically the same team like what when can someone tell me something smart about the rams because i'm afraid they are super dangerous so i think that people still have um like a ptsd of the super bowl from a couple

years ago where golf had that opportunity and he wasn't able to do it. And then you look at last season and kind of in the same offense, right? Jimmy Garoppolo got to that game, Super Bowl, not being great. He was good, but not great. Had the opportunity to close the game out and just didn't do it. And I love that we talk about it because, look, in moving the line, we don't talk about the moving the line part. I like to do this kind of like you just throw this at me so i i but i thought about this today is i would love to see a packers rams nfc championship game

you have the rams their defense is outstanding outstanding and if golf gets quote-unquote hot the last month of the season their offense is plenty good to win the NFC. And if Whitworth comes back, their left tackle, who he injured his knee, but he's been kind of working to try to get back for the playoffs, that's a huge boost for them as well. And no one's talking about them because I think we still have that PTSD of like,

in the end, Goff just can't do it. He's not that guy. And look, I think there's some validity to that that when it comes to nut-crunching time, if you need him to make multiple plays over multiple drives to win you a game, might not be the guy. But if your defense is playing like it is, you might not need him to be the guy.

You might just need him to just do enough to get you to the Super Bowl. So the Rams, I'm glad you brought this up because I thought about this today. I'm thinking about it as we're getting close to the end of the season, like the playoff picture, who I would bet on on who I would think about the Rams are interesting because if they continue to play well um a Rams package uh and it's really really fascinating yeah I mean that that's I guess what I'm saying is they seem like a value

pick if you're into betting on things because they're definitely good they might be great and nobody spends any time talking about them at all. I guess the Colts are maybe that same team over in the AFC where I feel like I don't really still know anything about the Colts. And yet they're going to end up with 10-11 wins. So we'll have to come back to the Rams when the playoff picture is set and talk about whether their path looks good. I just think that in the NFC right now, and really,

this was a big weekend for the AFC, right? We have, we have four games. We're going to have one tonight that are playoff determining games for huge ones, right? Chiefs,

dolphins, and the Steelers bills and the Colts and the Raiders. And now we're going to have Baltimore Cleveland tonight. We're not even like the NFC is a topic that we're not even know what's talking about this week because there's no reason to. We've been all AFC heavy. And so your point about the Rams kind of floating under the radar

is very accurate. Yeah. Well, let's move the line because it's a chance to talk about a few of those teams that we maybe are not spending as much time on today and should be. It's our little betting segment.

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HP Spectre x360, a more thoughtful laptop. Time to move the line, Jeff. I had to get a little creative here in order to fit this into the way we do the over-under, so bear with me. Can you tell me over or under 2.5 in the MVP race voting for the following guys all right so I want to know if you think they'll be top three or not here we go Aaron Rodgers yes okay no brainer

right like right now he's number one uh probably yeah one or two yeah okay and the only other guy who might be number two who fell slightly I guess guess, maybe this week is Pat Mahomes. So we're saying, you're saying he's inside that top three for now. Yeah, there's nothing he's going to do that will take him out of the top three. He'd have to like lose out, basically. Yes. Okay. Then it gets a little bit hard to pick who that third guy is.

So I'm going to throw three more names at you. Four names, actually. Russell Wilson. I would say no, because I have one guy that I think will be three right now that's on this list. So Russell, who was surefire number one for the first half of the season, as we get towards the end of the year, even though he's playing okay, probably not going to get major MVP consideration. No, because I'll tell you the reason why at the end of this.

All right, good tease. Good tease. Tom tom brady they're gonna probably win out no you don't think there'll just be some nostalgia play here tom brady's no i do not think at all they're not they did not come out smoking like i thought okay fair enough tom brady not in the mvp conversation your guy josh allen we talked about him earlier is he in there possibly possibly maybe but probably needs to just have a hell of the last few games here and look dominant well the next I want to talk about this will change how I feel based off what he does all right and then the last name I have the only non-quarterback but a guy who I I bet people can make a great argument for Derek Henry Henry. If he rushes for 2,000 yards, which he's about 500 away from,

he will be in the top three. He will not win the MVP, but he'll be in third MVP voting. So tell me why, if he ran for 2,000 yards, carrying that team every year that he's been there, in games where he seems like the only thing that got them to win,

why wouldn't he be the MVP? I mean, it's tough to argue because Adrian Peterson was the last one to do it, I think, and he won the MVP. I was there in Minnesota that year. We were seven yards or nine yards short of the entire Russian title all time. But Ryan Tannehill is also very good on that team. And I think that in 2012, Christian Ponder was not Ryan Tannehill is also very good in that team. And I think that, you know, in 2012, Christian

Ponder was not Ryan Tannehill. And so when you look at that entire team, Ryan Tannehill is, I think, top five right now. And I haven't looked at the updated stats in all his efficiency numbers. So he's having a great year, too. So it's hard to give, in my opinion, the MVP just to the running back when your quarterback is equally

as impressive as your running back, where the Chiefs obviously are led by Pat Mahomes and and and the Packers are led by Aaron Rodgers it'd be tough to give it to Henry over those two guys all right you have been famously uh quoted as saying essentially that running backs aren't worth huge contracts and you've made very few exceptions to that rule I believe he signed a four-year $50 million deal not long ago. I think it was like $42 million, somewhere around there. Look, is Tennessee's record any different this year if they have James Robinson running back this year? Yes.

You really think so? What? Yeah. Well, this maybe is the essence of this show that's this such a stupidly obvious answer to me that yeah of course the best running back by far is better than a guy who barely made the jags so yeah i'd say so i mean so my question is what's the worth of derrick henry to this offense compared to what the worth is of like, do you think that if they took, if they took that $12 million they owe Derrick Henry, right. And got themselves two pass rushers for that money, would they be a better team now to have a quote unquote,

lesser talented running back, but have a better pass rush? That's that's slightly different question. I would say that's, that's debatable. And that's where I come to you for analysis. I tend to think having watched yesterday uh basically watching washington play that really you you need a quarterback a guy who can block for the quarterback and a guy who can smash and kill quarterbacks those are the only things you should spend your draft picks and your money on but derrick henry seems like an outlier in a way so what you're telling me is it's it's gonna come down to pat and aaron and who wins you know the most games heading out

and derrick henry maybe ends up in that third spot if he keeps running like he has agreed all right fair enough let's go to some predictions you had before the season that are looking pretty good but right on the cusp as we as we finish out the year so you bet the panthers under five and a half they're at four wins currently i want to know your confidence right now over under 90 chance that you place that bet or that you win that bet excuse me so panthers end the season with the packers dc and the saints well they're gonna lose to the packers and we lose to the saints things don't need to win that game in 2017 so i I feel really good about it. I would say over 90% confident.

You feel very confident they can beat Washington in a couple weeks and lose to Washington in a couple weeks and fulfill your under bet. All they got to do is if they lose to the Packers and Saints, it's done. Yeah, okay. Fair enough. All right, so you're still feeling good about fading the Panthers. Okay, Bucs, you had them at the over nine and a half. They're currently at eight.

They've got the Falcons twice and the Lions. So I think you're going to get this, but I don't think you should celebrate it. I think you have to keep this quiet. Yeah, I don't feel great about it. All right, but they'll get across the finish line here, and we need a little money on that. And then you had the Lions over seven, I think. They're at five now.

Titans, Bucs, Vikes to close it. Yeah, not going to happen. Not going to happen. I did have the Chiefs over, which cashed, by the way, today, cashed this weekend. I took the Ravens over, too cashed, by the way, today, cashed this weekend. I took the Ravens over, too. That's not going to cash. No.

So, yeah. Here's kind of a stupid question, but I've been thinking about it for a while, and I wonder if anyone ever considered it. What if right before the season, next year, let's say, a team that looks like total crap, like basically like the Jags, where you're like, I don't know, it didn't work out, you didn't get the Jags, where you're like, I don't know.

It didn't work out. You didn't get the number one pick. You're still going to be garbage. What if like right before week one kicked off, fire the coach, go to the interim guy that all the players love, rally around the interim guy. It seems like every time you send in an interim guy, a team wins a few games they shouldn't win. Why don't you start with an interim guy?

What's interesting about that is actually this is the year that is the opposite of the way it's normally been. We covered this on the gambling show. Interim coaches in the first game don't win against the spread ever. They don't win. This is the year that's been so different than the other years, which is no surprise that 2020 has just been a shit show. So that would be very funny if the team did that.

Like, you know, like the Cowboys next year, they fire McCarthy before the season starts, before the first game, and interim coach Kellen Moore leads them to the Super Bowl. But it's always like the, you know, the defensive coordinator who has the locker room and he's like some 36-year-old guy. And it's like, well, yeah,

why wasn't he the coach the whole damn time? That's what always happens. Like, yeah, why wasn't he the coach the whole damn time? It's what always happens. It's difficult to do the entire part of the coaching. Like, when you just have to worry about games and no roster management and no off-season program, all that stuff, it's a little bit easier. I think the tough part becomes building your roster

and building a culture, building a scheme. Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. Colin Cowherd, who we both love said this on the air today and uh i was fascinated by it and i want to know he thinks that maybe bill belichick will start jared stidham against the jets week 17 because jrett might lose, thereby making the Patriots the reason that the Jets don't end up with the number one pick because now they have one win.

And in a tiebreak scenario, the Jags would go ahead of them. So they're not going to tank, but maybe they don't try as hard because Belichick doesn't want to have to face Trevor Lawrence for 10 more years. So I want a percent chance. You think I agree with this kooky take from Colin over under 99%. You agree with it? Yeah. Oh, you agree with it? A hundred percent. I buy this theory. Of course you did. The rest of us are like, uh, Colin, like lay out the sauce for a second, buddy. But like Colin now, uh, he's, he's just all in the cigars every night.

He's just trolling. He's turning a lot into me on Twitter. I don't know if I like this. He's trolling Steeler fans. He's drinking and smoking cigars and moving to Vegas supposedly. He's just a new guy. I don't know what's going on. I kind of expect to see him fly by me on the 405 in a red convertible. I don't know if he's having some sort of midlife thing, but yeah, there's a lot going on

there with Colin, but I liked this take. I liked this take a lot. I'll just say something real quick about Colin because obviously we both like him, but I don't think people realize how hard it is to do three hours of radio every day when you have to talk about the same four things all the time right it's a national radio show it's not like local you know you know 1037 the bull in in milwaukee it's not it's not that right it's talking about the lakers the cowboys aaron rogers the chiefs and lebron like that's what it is and you have to come up with shit every day it's hard to do it's extremely hard to do i know firsthand from working with him over the years how hard it is and how much time he puts into it and the other thing he doesn't have that many of the

shows you're talking about do is callers he can't just like let angry steelers fans get on the air today and like kick his feet up and laugh at them you know because he's doing an actual tv show you can't yeah he's doing a whole lot more than that. So, like, I get it. People don't always love the takes from the biggest names in our industry. Go at them. You know, let them hear it, guys. Tweet at them. But recognize they do put a lot of time into this.

And they do do their research. Even though people think they're making it up, they're not. They're spending time thinking about this stuff. I promise you. Yeah. All right. Percent chance, you're sure that usc still can't make the playoff now that florida lost sec gets one in this crazy pack 12 scheduling thing is going

on yeah there's zero chance um that that happens and i think it gave if you are thinking of right mind you're a usc fan you definitely don't want to play Alabama in the first round of the playoffs because you want to end on a high note and let you know Alabama will beat you guys by four touchdowns. I don't want to. Same as Oregon last year. We won the Pac-12. I was glad we played Wisconsin, not LSU in the playoff. I'm not sure USC.

You want to lose to Alabama or you want to go play like the Fiesta Bowl and play? I don't even know who it would be. Whoever helped out. I think it'd be sort of cyclical. We were supposed to start the season getting blasted by Alabama. We might as well end the season getting blasted by Alabama. There's no team that had a better

come up this year than USC, right? You lost Alabama off your schedule. You lost Notre Dame. You lost Oregon in the regular season when they would have had a full actual team show up, not like all their guys opting out and what you're going to face this weekend. You lost Colorado this season,

the best team in the South, other than USC, off your schedule. The first two games of the year, you led for a total of like 54 seconds. Yeah, if that. In one of those two games like and ucla should have won that game but keenan slovis great in the fourth quarter i saw obviously like 15 touchdowns in his career no receptions but jesus christ ucla fake punt what the hell are you doing

dtr those are pick six they don't block anyone on fourth and the running back just his eyes are closed on fourth down like what's going on they they, the third string running back in the game on fourth and one, the kid felt it's like a pro running back, put them in the game. So USC Oregon this weekend, um, how the Oregon's going to allow like 55 points. It's not going to be pretty.

I don't think it's after recruiting day, which is good because Oregon needs to keep recruiting. Well, well, okay, but hold on and we can get back to some other things. Although we're, we're kind of running out of real football talk here anyway,

so we can give this another minute. If USC wins over Oregon, who at least seems like a real competition, has a Pac-12 championship, the SEC is only going to get one in because Bama's going to blast whoever they're playing. Well, play for them, yeah. Yeah, so that's over with. SEC is only going to get one in because Bama is going to blast whoever they're playing. Yeah. So,

so that's over with then the big 12. Isn't anything exciting. Iowa state Clemson, Notre Dame are both in and Ohio state. But what if, but what if Notre Dame beats Clemson again? They're not in. Yeah, that's a good point.

That's, that's what this hinges on. I think they're going to take, they'll take a one loss Aoss A&M over USC probably. A one-loss A&M having not played in a champ game over SC having won a champ game undefeated. Beating not a single ranked opponent. Okay.

And, wow, man, that's really depressing. What if Ohio State somehow loses to, who would they play, Northwestern? Yeah. What if that happens? God bless if that um i guess usc's in then i i guess so trojans are rooting for they obviously have to win they're rooting for notre dame over clemson northwestern over ohio state iowa state to lose i guess and make a mess out of the Big 12. Probably. And Alabama to blast whoever they play and hope people forget about the second best team in the SEC.

Florida beats Bama. They're both in the playoff, I would imagine. I would think so. And then USC's out. I said this last year, and people did not like it. I said as an Oregon fan, I'll repeat again, I prefer that we win the Pact of Championship and go play Wisconsin at Rose Bowl than get blasted by LSU.

We weren't ready to play LSU last season. And look what it did for our program. We won the Pact of Conference, won a Rose Bowl. We had a top, we had sixth-ranked recruiting class last year, or 11th, something like that, top-10 class. For USC's sake, I'd go beat up on Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl rather than play Alabama in the playoff just just my is like a team building bond like just getting beaten by Alabama all the rumors about Clay Helton all that stuff is coming right back and he gets smashed by Alabama okay well I

don't like the pessimism but you're probably right uh let's end on on two this is sort of the like uh triggered section of the show. Uh, so I don't want to make a joke out of this. I want to make sure I phrased this correctly, but I want your honest reaction. Um, so we we've read reports that the Cleveland baseball team will lose their mascot name in the future. They'd been thinking about it for a while, ever since the DC football team did it. the cleveland baseball team is going to be the next to uh to ditch their traditional name so i have to ask jeff uh as a guy linked to the team do you think that the kansas city chiefs as they are known will one day not be

called the chiefs because it sort of falls into the same category i mean one day maybe not but they have support of the community to keep the name. I think that's a big part of this. I don't know if the Indians had support or not. I can look it up, but the Chiefs have support in the local community to keep the name Chiefs. Like that's a part of this as well. I think that's, you know, the Washington football team

had not a lot of support in the community. And Cleveland, I don't think, had a lot of support either. The Chiefs, to my knowledge, at at least now have support to keep their name if that if that dwindles then they're probably not okay so if if the same type of movement began in kansas city or anywhere i guess to ask for this name to be changed the ownership or whoever would make the decision would take it as seriously as we hear people are in cleveland or they did in dc but there's no movement and i also think that i'm looking up now that the chiefs are not actually named i think specifically for um for like for like in, in Indian,

but they obviously took the mascot. Right. Like, you know, they had war paint the horse and stuff like they're, I think they're named after, um, a former,

uh, mayor, Harold row Bartle. Now, I don't know if Bartle was a good guy or bad guy, but, um, I'm going to guess a mayor from 150 years ago probably not a great guy bartle's

nick bartle earned a nickname as a founder of a boy scout's honor uh honor camping society uh tribal mixay in which he was chief lone bear yeah this probably didn't sound great um yeah i don't i don't love the where that one's coming from so so um so it's not actually actually i don't uh So it's not actually, actually, I don't think this is the same vitriol and anger that the name Indians and or Redskins brought about. Yeah. Well, okay. I wanted to ask because I know, you know, you think about these kinds of things. So we'll keep an eye on that one interesting move in cleveland uh lastly i guess a bonus topic i know you wrote about this a bit for fox sports and you're always good with uh with your columns when you write them so i want to know you know will i even be able to make it past like two or

three comments uh under your story about sarah fuller the kicker at vandy before i just zero comments here's the thing about... So what's... And I'm not going to get into like... I'm not going to get into the main beef of the story, the part of the story. But here's what I found so interesting, Gabe, is that this was a historic moment, right? Sarah Fuller kicks extra point, and she's the first woman to ever score in a Power 5 conference game. So this happened at Vanderanderbilt right oh and

nine vanderbilt the story was over as soon as it happened everyone tweeted out great job sarah really cool end of story story's done it's over there's a college football saturday that happened ucl usc was on abc big game nfl sunday nobody's talking about it today nobody except the people that call this a pr stunt the people that call this a PR stunt. The people that call it a PR stunt are the ones keeping it alive. You're the ones who are making this a story. It's not really a story. It's Vanderbilt, okay?

Now, the one part of it that I think is a little to the PR stunt part was that she did give a halftime speech in the first game of the, the first game she played in, which that kickers, I don't care what you are as a kicker. Kickers don't give speeches ever. So that's a little odd. Okay. Otherwise the kick,

her kicking in this game was a reward for her helping them out two weeks ago. She didn't have a chance to kick in the first game. So they give her a chance to kick in this game. It was a blowout. Who cares? We don't care when when you know when when the kid that unfortunately has cancer gets to go on the field right and play a snap or or the fifth year senior does it she put in the work for the time she was there they asked her in last minute to leave her

soccer team and finish the season but to go from soccer to college football she took all the reps she did all things right they were they reward her with a kick like what's the big deal well of course there's no big deal and i think it's strange that people who've actually played sports show her respect and think you know way to go it takes a lot of hard work to get into the position to do that nobody's pretending that kicking an extra point is one of the hardest things to do in sports, you know. But she got ready and she did it. And good for her. She made history. That's the attitude I see from people who played a sport for a living.

The people who are in people's mentions complaining and whining and calling it all kinds of things and saying gross stuff in the comment section probably never played anything worth a damn. And that's what's interesting to me is the the people who are getting upset by this not even their reasons just what what right do you have to criticize her or the university if you've never even gotten ready to play a damn game at any position let alone you know quarterback or anything else because their way of life is being challenged right the stupidest comment i heard was well okay so then can men play women's volleyball i i mean if they need someone to fill in the last second maybe they can but this is a unique

situation just for a covet season it's never going to happen again not going to find a woman's soccer player to play college football in any other year gabe they could have found someone a former kicker someone still on campus somewhere a walk-on but because of covet testing she was already testing she's already negative she's already testing. She was already negative. She was already clear. It's not that difficult. No, it's not that difficult. But it means now that the next person won't be the first,

which probably makes it a little easier for that person, which is the whole point of progress. So whatever you might think of her or this situation, this will open a few doors for a few people who currently are getting overlooked. And that seems like a good thing. Agreed. Agreed. Agreed.

All right. We ended on a little different note than usual, but it was important to talk about that. I feel very passionate about that. It was not, it doesn't have to be the story that people made it out to be. All right, everyone have a great couple of days.

We'll be back on Wednesday. We had some winning weeks, some winning weeks. Let's do it. Let's keep it up. Talk to you guys then. Have a great one.