Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Lamar Loses, Kyler & Nuk Connect for the Play of the Year, and Tua Stays Undefeated

Episode Date: November 17, 2020

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it's tuesday november 17th the ravens lost an ugly game to the patriots kyler newt connected for the play of the year and tua cannot lose i'm jeff schwartz alongside gabe goodwin this is jeff schwartz this morning you welcome back from a wonderful week 10 of nfl action we had our ups and downs we gambling heartbreaks we had hail marys we had it all this weekend and i'm wearing my organ shirt the organ ducks are 2-0 gabe my Oregon shirt. The Oregon Ducks are 2-0. Gabe's wearing his USC hat. USC barely 2-0. So maybe we'll have some trash talk go back and forth.

But we're happy to have you guys in after. Look, man, the NFL is delivering. Every week I feel like as we get closer to the playoff push, we'll get some better games. Some games are obviously more important. And I enjoyed football this weekend, Gabe. And, by the way, last thing. How about the afternoon slot? Four important games in the afternoon never happens thank you masters

which is weird to watch november we had a sunday by the way ever never will happen again nfl masters packed well football all on a sunday wild weekend uh great for betting unless you you know you took the the Cleveland to cover. In which case, Nick Chubb screwed you. Fantasy. A lot of screwed teams in fantasy, too. We're going to get into the Nick Chubb thing. I just want to make this point very clear.

Because it's very important to talk about this in the proper context. Everyone's like, smart play, smart play. Sure thing. I mean, you go up 10 with 50 seconds left, you win the game anyways. And I'm just being a bitter guy who bet on the Browns. I at least pushed here. But guys, it was third and three at like the 40-yard line. Okay?

He ran like 53 yards past the first down and then went out at the one. It's not like when Gurley got the first down and kind of just stopped. Or I believe Westbrook did this way back with Andy Reid and the Eagles. Like he just got a first down stop. He went 53 yards past the first down to then run out of bounds at the one. Like, I was, we're like, go, go, cover, cover. Oh, no, no, what are you doing? And everyone, of course, praising him.

Look, they should, right? But, like, let's be honest with the conversation here. If they go up 10 with 50 seconds left and Texans have no timeouts, they're not winning that game. The Texans aren't. So,'re not winning that game the Texans aren't so Chubb just just go in the end zone next time buddy it's okay it's okay you didn't hurt nobody yeah it would have been just fine if he'd scored it's like the guy in you know these like murder mystery shows that we're all watching on Netflix and everything it's the guy who crosses

like six state lines and then the cops catch and he's like i was just panicked i was scared like dude no you ran away like you've been on the run for days how are we supposed to believe that you didn't do this you look super guilty man like yeah he got he got five more fantasy points by running the 50 yards people are like oh no one cares about your fantasy team i go i don't know he kind of ran for 50 yards after he had to yeah i mean maybe doesn't care for the last six points of the touchdown but like he cares a little bit to get 50 more yards. So, all right, let's get to our main topics of the podcast. Yeah, well, so listen, I was super fired up to talk to you about this one.

It involves the Browns division. Everyone's selling their Ravens stock. Okay, we all watched that sloppy game last night or Sunday night. Lamar and company, they lost in that monsoon in New England. Pats were fine. I wouldn't even say great, but fine. Ravens, I guess, look kind of bad late. But our buddy Mina Kimes wasn't the only one to point out that Belichick seems to have like some mysterious control over the weather now. Okay. The weather was horrible when Baltimore had the ball. Is he Jewish now?

What's that? Is he Jewish now? Because we control the weather. Yes, that's right. We do. I heard that we're in charge of that. The media and the weather and maybe a few other things. No, so Belichick, you know,

went like Night King or whatever on the weather in New England. And all of a sudden, Lamar is a guy that nobody likes. The MVP from last year, nobody likes him. Jeff Schwartz, you were the person who

tweeted their offense is just bad this year look dude to you and everyone else feels like an overreaction kind of does well the numbers don't say so the numbers are very clear in this if you look at their efficiency numbers they're at the bottom third of the NFL so far this season Lamar Jackson and we talk about these advanced numbers. It's worth pointing out, right? The advanced numbers often measure efficiency, right? So the best way I like to explain this is like on third down. Let's say it's third and three, and you complete a four-yard pass. That is an efficient play.

You've gotten the first down. If it's third and eight, and you complete a seven-yard pass, that's not an efficient play. It's more yards. Yes, it is. But you don't get the first down. So that's what these measure efficiency, right? Is the quarterback doing what he needs to do?

Now, it doesn't measure if there's a scheme issue or if a guy wasn't open or not open. It doesn't any of that, right? Did Lamar hit the right guy? Did he not? That's like more for pro football focus. If you want to go to their grades and look at their grading system. But efficiency numbers over time tend to tell us a really good story

on how a quarterback plays or doesn't play. They're very predictive of the future. So Lamar Jackson right now in the NFL is 27th in expected points added per game. Not very good. Last year, near the top of the NFL. The Ravens offense, like I mentioned, efficiency-wise in the 20s this year. Last year, very top of the NFL. There's many reasons for that. And it's not all Lamar's fault, but when you have an offense so centered around Lamar Jackson, he's going to get the NFL. There's many reasons for that. And it's not all Lamar's fault, but when you have an offense so centered around Lamar Jackson, he's going to get the blame. So here's what's happening. Their

offensive line is beat up. It's a very big problem, right? Left tackles out. The right tackle last night went out for a little bit. The right guard from last year, Hall of Famer Moshrianda, retired this offseason, lost 100 pounds. Good for him. And also, so that's not really on Lamar.

Okay, not on Lamar. Secondly, Lamar came out last week and said, teams know what we're doing. Yeah, I mean, yes, the same problem that Greg Roman had in San Francisco is that teams know what you're doing. After a while, there's not a lot of plays in this offense. There really is not, right?

And you can kind of get predictable with how you're going to do it, especially with which guard pulls, which way lamar is going to run where is he going to throw the play action pass concepts they're going to use off of this and third and this is sort of a more of a lamar jackson and a greg roman problem the offense coordinator is that the passing game is just non-existent like there's no threat of of a deep passing game there's no threat of throwing the ball outside the numbers there's no threat of a complex option system where we're running back so wide receivers have different things to do in different plays and so all those together

equal an offense that's not very efficient okay i'll buy that and i saw some of that in what i watched last sunday night but I also saw a team that for most of the game was kind of just doing whatever they wanted to do and eating a ton of clock like that first drive was everything the Ravens have ever been talked about to be right like eight minutes 90 something yards they were running in every direction every pass was guys were wide open so i'm i'm i don't know if it's fair to say that the offense just isn't good i think it's fair to say that in certain situations maybe like monsoons it's harder to do what they do but they can still do what they want they show up all the way down the field got three points right so i mean yeah that's i mean you

think you would drive that but part of this too, Gabe, is that New England's defense entering this game, not very good. Not very good. And so you had a year when you had an opportunity to really grab New England and dominate them. They dominated them last year, and New England's defense was better last year than this year. New England's defense this year, not very good.

Your Jets scored 27 points with Joe Flacco. Okay, so like you look at that plus look, New England's offense hadn't played terribly well recently. They played good again. Good enough, I should say. It wasn't great. Good enough to beat the Ravens. So like there's all these factors that play into why people are off the

Ravens. And so, like, there's all these factors that play into why people are off the radar. They've now lost to the Chiefs, the Steelers, and the Pats, who are not very good this year. Now, the Pats might win their next two games. They might be in the playoff hunt. We'll see. We'll know what's going to happen. I'm not that impressed with them after that game.

I think it's a good win for them. But, like, people are like, oh, they're going to make the playoffs now. I don't know, game. They're going to make the playoffs now, especially with Miami and I don't know. Okay. They're like the playoffs now, especially with Miami and their Ascension. And we'll talk about them in a second. So all those factors make this a game where Baltimore sort of kind of had to win. They're now three games back of the Steelers with what?

Six games left in the season. So they're not going to win the division. They're gonna have to go on the road in the playoffs. It's just a different season for them than one they had last season. And people are alarmed by that because normally you just kind of improve, right? The Chiefs are the same team, right? They get a little better. And they didn't get any better this year.

They got worse. Well, they have gotten worse on that line. That's undebatable. But you mentioned the Chiefs a couple times. So I'm just going to throw this at you. And I'm not just trying to troll you. I genuinely want you to react to this. I looked it up as you probably recall uh the chiefs lost that like heartbreakingly close

week 10 game last year to drop to six and four they lost to tennessee last year yeah everyone panicked we talked about oh maybe they're all offense maybe they won't figure out okay well what'd they do they ripped off six in a row and then they blew through the playoffs and won a super bowl because they had a world-class quarterback and a team a defense that got better so this team baltimore already has the best defense in the league in terms of points per game allowed they've got a world-class quarterback if they can get the line play working a little better why are we giving up on them yeah so the difference obviously was the chiefs basically lost well at least two of those games with Mahomes he came off the injury to the Titans and then they still put up 32 points

I think and lost that game at the very end he was injured against the Colts and they lost a game without him so that's three games really when Mahomes was beat up the Ravens that they don't have that excuse they don't have the excuse of like oh well my quarterback dislocated his knee and so we lost a couple games and also the Raven' problem is they lost to teams that they're going to have to beat in the playoffs. The Chiefs, I know it's bad to lose to the Texans, who they then smash in the playoffs, or the Colts, or the Titans, who they end up beating again in the playoffs. But the games just look different. We can't say they lost last year than the Ravens have lost this year. I can't argue that point. And you give me the

opportunity, though, to bring up a team who you've been largely right about, but still have a little bit of a qualifier on, which is the Steelers. You've been telling us you like them a lot this year. They've obviously had a great start, but you keep on saying they aren't explosive on offense. They don't they don't necessarily have that extra ability to score quickly or in bursts. Well, yesterday, I don't know, man. Like, what was it, 300-plus passing yards, four touchdowns? I mean, Ben looks about as good as he has in years, and he's got a bunch of weapons, it seems to me.

So are we ready to say that maybe this is the week? Maybe they unseat the Chiefs? Maybe? Well, not yet. But I do think that Pittsburgh played a lot better this week, especially on offense. It was kind of an interesting game. I felt disjointed at the start, and then Pittsburgh kind of got things going a little bit.

Yeah, they scored a ton of points. I give them credit. They played much better, and we talked about this, and I think people that watch film and watch the game are also on my side on this, is that, look, they have got to be more explosive on offense, and they must have been listening to our show because they tried to be more explosive on offense. And they must have been listening to our show because they tried to be more explosive on offense this week,

which is the way they have to beat the Chiefs is by doing that. So I give them credit. I'm not ready to put them above the Chiefs yet. Look, again, I think it's very clear. There's one elite team. It's Kansas City. And I'm telling you right now, it's Tuesday morning. The Chiefs are going to kick the shit out of the Raiders this weekend.

I'm just telling you right now. I'm telling you right now. Andy Reid's like 17-3 off a bye the shit out of the Raiders this weekend. I'm just telling you right now. I'm telling you right now. Andy Reid's like 17-3 off a bye. This team lost to the Raiders. The Raiders are feeling high and mighty about three or four wins in a row. Chiefs are going to walk in to, I bet some Oakland, but to Las Vegas, that brand-new Death Star, the all-black stadium, right outside, I-15, and they're going to steamroll the Raiders.

I'm telling you right now. Just lock that away for later in the week. Chiefs minus seven. I already texted Matt Ford and said, we're betting Chiefs minus seven. It's already happening. It's done. It's already in the books. Just letting you guys know. So when the Chiefs win this weekend on Sunday

and beat the Raiders by two or three scores, we'll have a different opinion about them. They were off all week. So I just think that the Chiefs are still the number one elite team under the team of Pittsburgh and New Orleans and Tampa and kind of the other teams. Okay. All right, so to wrap on the Ravens,

we're basically saying it wasn't just the weather. Because New England moved the ball too. Yeah, they did. I mean, again, it was weird how the weather was seemingly much better for Kim in that offense than Lamar in his, but okay, so we're going to say we're done worrying about the Ravens. We are putting them to bed, even though we couldn't have put the Chiefs to bed at this point last season. We'll come back to them if they put a few wins together and the line looks better. But for now, sorry, guys, Lamar's just your fantasy quarterback.

Let me move to a guy who's more than just a fantasy quarterback. Holy shit, Kyler Murray. He bailed everyone out yesterday with that Hail Mary to D-Hop. That was incredible. Josh Allen had completed the best game-winning drive of the year. The Bills had done it. And then Kyler outdid that. Everyone saw it by now. I don't need to try to describe it on a podcast. It was unbelievable. It totally validated that move to bring DeAndre in. Kyler is now the MVP. I don't think anyone's debating that. They're leading the perceived best division in football, and that's what I want to talk about. I think the NFC West is just the Pac-12 that cares even less about defense.

All right? I don't know, man. After what we saw on Sunday and three teams now knotted at 6-3, I don't think a champion is coming from this division. I think a lot of points are coming from there, but not a champ. I'm glad you said that because I agree with you about that. Oh, look at this. Yeah, and I wrote about this for Fox Sports,

is that they're obviously 6-3. And what I love about the NFL, the thing we all love about the NFL, is one play flipped an entire seeding of the playoffs. Now, it's Week 10, so there's plenty of time left over. We're heading to Week 11. But, you know, the Cardinals entered that weekend at the bottom of the playoffs. Now, it's week 10, so there's plenty of time left over. We're heading to week 11. But, you know, the Cardinals entered that weekend

at the bottom of the playoff standings for the teams that are eligible. They're in. And ended up at the very top, second seed, leading the AFC, excuse me, the NFC West at 6-3.

And Seattle now all the way dropped to 7. By the way, Tennessee Titans currently not in the playoffs. Yeah. Just a random side note. I thought someone tweeted about that. Kind of odd.

Seattle's all the way down to 7. It's weird that you chose now to troll Tennessee. I figured you'd wait until they came playoffs. Just a random side note. I saw someone tweet about that. Kind of odd. Seattle's all the way down. It's weird that you chose now to troll Tennessee. I figured you'd wait until they came up, but fine. Keep going. That's all I said. No, I saw someone tweet that. The Seattle part was wrong. Seattle's seven.

Seattle's seven. Okay. So here's why each team is a little bit flawed, in my opinion. Not good enough to win a Super Bowl. Let's start with Arizona. They're leading the division now. And they play Seattle Thursday night, which I think they go, and I think Seattle wins that game. But again, we'll get to that on our Thursday show.

Arizona is just kind of poorly coached. Like, Kyler Murray makes up for a lot of the issues that Kingsbury has with his conservative play calling. They're very bad at end of games. They do not manage their situations very well. They waste plays. They waste time. They don't call the right plays. They call passes. at ending games. They do not manage their situations very well. They waste plays. They waste time. They don't call the right plays.

They call passes. They call runs. They don't go for it a fourth down enough. There's just something about Arizona when you watch them play. It's like there just needs to be more. Colin Murray ends up just saving them, right? How many times do you watch them play, Gabe? And this offense looks kind of disjointed, right?

It just looks like, what are they doing out there? And again, they're scoring a bunch of points, but I think if you take Murray away from that offense, and this is, you can say for anybody, but you take Murray away from that offense, like what are they? What, what, what, what offense are they? And then defensively, they've had a lot of injuries and it's kind of, it's piling up on them. The pass rush isn't as good.

Now they got some of those guys back this past weekend. They've had some guys come back on the secondary, but injuries have really been a concern of mine and they just haven't been as good recently as they were the first six or seven weeks of the season yeah well it might be a schedule thing as well but um you're playing better teams too yeah i mean i think they're just addicted to these 30 point shootouts and you know they've won a few of them but you can't i mean you can't guarantee yourself to win 34 32 every week or whatever it is you know it seems like every every single week has been one of these holy crap we have to talk about the Cardinals because of that win I mean that that gets old you need a few weeks they're just like easy W's um so they worry me the Seahawks by the

way dude they looked awful you've been saying this for weeks, and Cowherd's been right. You've been right. You guys were two people ahead of this. You can't have Russell doing it all, and now their defense is just dog shit, basically. They lost to the team who I think, by the way, may be sneaky. They're the least sexy, but they might be the best team in the division, which is the Rams.

Do we have to talk about the Rams now? So let's go to the Seahawks real quick. The Seahawks and Russell Wilson has turned the ball over eight times the last four games. And the reason for that is what you just said is I think he's trying to do too much because the defense is bad. Like he knows he has to do everything, every single play because the defense cannot stop a soul.

The defense actually played okay yesterday. They've been allowing 360 yards passing. They only allowed 302, but they allowed a ton on the ground. And Russ just making bad mistakes. He had a chance to run for a touchdown about 25 yards out through a bad interception. This team has not run the ball as well without Chris Carson. And, Gabe Gabe we got conservative boring Pete Carroll back who wastes timeouts with bad challenges like we got him and got like the

bad Pete Carroll back against uh against the Rams so it's it's a problem now diversity the Rams interesting on the Rams defensively really getting really good number one in the NFL now in passing defense they're really good on defense we saw Jalen Ramsey shut down DK Metcalf on Sunday. Concern of mine for the Rams is this. Andrew Wilworth, their left tackle, is out for the season. At least out for now. Maybe comes back for the playoffs. We'll see.

We saw the Tennessee Titans lose their left tackle. Not the same team. The Ravens lose their left tackle. Not the same team. The Rams offense is not going to be the same. And we know that when Jared Goff gets hit, he's not as good. The Rams head to Tampa, I think Monday Night Football this weekend. Watch out. Like, that's going to be rough without your left tackle.

Guys, there's no backup left tackles. Like, there's not just this great left tackle sitting on the bench waiting to play. Now, they might put someone in who plays well in spurts, but there's no, like, perennial Andrew Whitworth sitting on the sidelines waiting to come and say the day for the Rams. So I would be concerned with their offense without their left tackle. Something to watch when they go to Tampa this weekend.

Can you, because this is the area of the game you know best, and I think most of us know the worst, which is line play. Can you explain a little bit more how depth charts are a little different on the line, right? So if you were the second best left tackle on the team, odds are you're playing right tackle, right? Yeah.

It's a little different than like, you might have a good backup quarterback. James Winston's probably a pretty good backup quarterback, but he can't play another position the rest of the time. He has to wait till Breeze goes down. So how's the line different in that respect? So great question. So the depth in the offense line is just not there in the NFL anymore.

So the way it used to be game was we had the five starting offensive linemen and then you had two backups that dressed. One backup was the swing tackle. You play left tackle, you play right tackle. Someone gets hurt. And then you had the seventh guy or the sixth guy, whatever you want to classify,

was the interior backup. He played all three positions inside, both guard and center. So when someone got hurt, you had to put one player in. So you just move, you know, your left tackle gets hurt, you move the sub, you put him at left tackle, right? Now what they do, to your point, is

there's not a lot of depth. So when the left tackle gets hurt, they move the right tackle to left tackle, which is what the Ravens have done. It goes into Orlando Brown, move it to left tackle, and they put DJ Pflueger at right tackle, who got hurt yesterday. They put someone else in at right tackle. The problem with that, in my book, in my eyes, is now you've made two positions worse, okay?

You made the left tackle worse just by default because the guy's injured, so you put the right tackle over there. It's not going to be as good. Now you made the right tackle worse by putting another backup in there. So the lack of depth, that's where it hurts an offensive line. It's not really if you lose one guy. It's that you have to shuffle around your whole unit to make sure it works. And that's where the problems become for any team.

So let's say the Rams, I don't think the Rams are going to do this, but they could take Rob Havoc in the right tackle and put him at left tackle and put in someone at right tackle. Now you made two positions worse, right? So I hope the Rams just put someone at left tackle and work to help him. The best example in the NFL in this recent memory, 2017, the Eagles lose left tackle Jason Peters. The year they win the Super Bowl, they put in Big B, Vitae, at left tackle.

Did not move Lane over there, the right tackle. What they did, it was great. They helped him. So you helped one guy, and then you let everyone else be good. And that works. So we'll see what the Rams do as far as how they decide to engine this offensive line now. I'm very glad that I slowed us down to ask that. Because I would bet almost anyone listening to this show did not understand that completely. And that is exactly what this show is for. So

thank you for explaining that better. And I'm going to watch these games with that in mind, because that would have been helpful insight while I was watching the Ravens on Sunday night, because that's clearly something that's going on in their line room. We can't, you know, finish this topic without mentioning. We started obviously talking about the cards. I want to go back to that crazy play and Deandre Hopkins. So I can't think of a move that happened recently that has been more validated than the move to go get him. Now,

maybe it was just a no brainer, but like, I know you're skeptical of running backs, but are you willing to grant that maybe an elite wide receiver is worth every dime and you should give something up to go get a guy as good as well that play definitely paid off right um look i i've been very anti-running back i don't think i've been anti-wide receiver i'm anti i'm anti-wide receiver in in the way that like people think that that one guy can make a difference in winning the super bowl i don't think that I don't think if what's a good example um like if you just if your team's rolling along and you're just like

you add a wide receiver it makes you a champion no no um but if you have the pieces in place you have a young quarterback on a rookie contract check yeah pay a wide receiver be my guest it's a great it's a great deal so I'm'm all for that, especially in this offense. Their offense was just spread out. They have Kirk and they have Hopkins and they have Fitz. They need these guys to make this offense work. Yeah. All right.

Well, I mean, that's a pretty good clarification because it seems like, yeah, if you have the right pieces in place, like imagine you're Deshaun Watson watching the end of that game and you're just going like, guys, what the hell? Like we had that dude. What were thinking but oh well so so thursday night probably i would say the biggest thursday night game in history i mean maybe i'm just forgetting a bunch of good ones but who would have guessed that we would have essentially i mean whoever wins that game is basically the only challenger that the saints have in the NFC, whoever comes out of Thursday night the winner. Is that fair to say?

You mean like non-Packers? Yeah, well, I guess non-Packers and non-Bucks. But yeah. No, I mean, seriously, is this the biggest Thursday night game ever? I mean, look, for Arizona, quite honestly, it's one of their biggest games in franchise history. It has.

Since they went to the Super Bowl, I should preface that by saying because I went to the Super Bowl, I should preface that by saying because they went to the Super Bowl, obviously, is since then, yes. Because if you win this game, you have a clear path to winning the NFC West, which puts you in a clear path for the two seed. I mean, maybe you have a home field advantage. Maybe not. Probably not.

But it gives you a clear path to winning the division, which means you have a home game. And so, but the way it could work out, though, you could end up playing like the Rams or the Seahawks again in the playoffs. So it's hard to beat a team three times in a year. We saw the Panthers do this with the Saints a couple, or Saints do with the Panthers a couple years ago. It might have been the other way around, whatever. But yeah, it's a big game for Seattle, too.

Seattle's got a show, man. Like, they've lost three last four, and they played poorly in some of those games, so they need to have a real bounce back. I actually think they do. We can talk about that, obviously, more on Thursday. Okay, so the team that just a week ago beat Seattle and then just got their hearts ripped out by the Cardinals

are the Bills. The Bills are a team you can't help but talk about every week. Even though they lost, are you sort of a little bit more sold on the Bills you still writing them off as far as sold like how like can they compete for the afc champion no okay all right i'm just gonna keep sneaking them in week after week until one day you admit that they can there's two teams afc they can win it and one of them is the kansas chiefs the other one is the pittsburgh steel, good segue, Jeff, or two a time. Maybe the Dolphins can compete because they look like a completely different team.

Two is 3-0. He makes the Finns fun, and he might make them scary as hell in the playoffs, all right? This is exactly one year after the dude was carted off the field for Alabama. He is now perfect in the NFL. He has it, whatever it is. I don't have a smarter take. We're all just sort of in love with this guy. We're in love with what the team is doing.

Their defense seems a little better. Their playmakers seem a little more dynamic. I don't think anyone really wants to see Miami in the playoffs. And right now that's where they're headed. Yes. And just before I get going here uh shepherd just tweeted out that drew breeze has multiple rib fractures on both sides of his chest and collapsed lung you want to cover that at some point today uh i think that seems like something we should talk about and i was going to compare

to uh to drew breeze because that's what colin did but why don't we just pause and talk about drew breeze right here? It's okay. We could have started the show with it, but we didn't know then. So let's talk about him now. Wow. NFL players are tough SOBs, man. We get Jameis time now.

You pay that $16 million quarterback. Oh, no, that's actually Taysom Hill. So Jameis Winston time now for a couple of weeks. And he's just to hold the fort down, hold the fort down until Drew Brees gets back. It's it's geez. Multiple rib fractures on a collapsed lung. Was it from,

was it all from that hit yesterday? The one they called the, that wasn't, that was a terrible rough in the passer. I mean, it was obvious that I thought we were going to be talking about a clavicle from the way he landed ribs. Makes sense too.

It was obvious that he was struggling and, and I would have guessed not able to catch his breath. He wanted to go back out there, but he clearly couldn't and shouldn't have. How long are you normally out? A quarterback can wear like a flak jacket, right? How long are you normally out with ribs?

Um, I don't know. I think he he sort of had something coming in right they showed in the pre-game wasn't he wearing like a big old flak jacket to warm up into i think they saw during halftime he came back out to i know it was something they showed him warming up with a big flat jacket on i don't know man like this is one of those where i think the saints you buy your time and you just hope he gets better and you you can do enough with with your defense and alvin camara and your offensive line you hope winston you know he doesn't turn the ball over and you just get yourselves to the postseason and hope drew's healthy by that this is bad multiple rib fractures and a punctured lung i mean i'm

looking forward to seeing what doctors smarter than me, obviously, say about this injury. So we'll see. Yeah, it's not great, except I would tell you if it's going to happen to any team, you know, who looks like one of the top teams in a conference in the middle of a season

who has a playbook for how to handle this, it's the New Orleans Saints. I mean, they literally just did this and Drew was OK by the time they needed him and they went back to him and he wasn't the reason they got bounced. So maybe this is okay.

And, you know, maybe Jameis, who's by the way, Jameis, I was going to tweet something about this. Jameis is better than at least a third of the starting quarterbacks in this league. Oh yeah, by far. At least a third, right? Last year, last year he

threw 12 more interceptions he ever had in a single season in his career he's not that bad but that's the outlier season also if you if you look at what they're asking drew breeze to do and i recognize that it's because drew breeze is so good at scanning the field and has such a nice touch but basically he's just waiting to flip it over you know rushers to get it to alvin camara like that's basically the job these days he's not really using michael thomas the way we you know we're used to so why can't jamis just do that i mean his decision making has not always been the best though i mean that part of it is drew is able to decipher things really very very very quickly make it happen all right well so we'll see what happens to the Saints.

That is obviously a big curveball. We would have started the show talking about them had we known at the time. But let's get back to the topic of the future Drew Brees, at least the guy people compare to Drew Brees, Tua. You don't seem as sold on him now three weeks of talking about him. What are you not seeing yet from him to want to just believe he's a playoff caliber quarterback already great question so here's a good a good uh summary what's happening in miami right now they've won what five in a row i believe

now two has started three of those last five okay so they've scored if my math is correct and i'm not i'm never gonna math they've scored 11 touchdowns the last three weeks total, entire team. 11. Okay. So I'm going to give five to defensive special teams because they've scored three times on defensive special teams. The other two, the ball was at the one-yard line for the offense.

Sure. Okay. It's five defensive special teams. So there's only six on offense in three games. It's not very good. That's like what the Jets do, okay? Now, you can make the argument that they haven't had to do a lot because they haven't needed to score because the defense special teams

score all the time. To sum up my point, too, Aaron Schatz, football outsiders, DVOA, Miami special teams has jumped to like the top of the NFL since Tua's been there for three weeks. Their defense has jumped to one of the best in the NFL the last three weeks. And their offense actually dropped down. Does Tua play defense in special teams?

I don't know. So my thing with the Dolphins is this game. I buy what the Dolphins are selling as far as their coaching staff, the effort they play with, their defense, their special teams, Tua's future. I buy all of that. I just don't buy they're as good as their wins have shown lately.

That's it. And do I think that they're a playoff contender? Yes, they're a playoff contender. Are they a contender to win? Are you telling me, Gabe, they're going to be the seventh seed and go into Kansas City in the playoffs in January and compete with the Chiefs? Not a chance in hell.

They're not going to compete with the Chiefs. So, look, and they're going to win their next three or four games. They have the Jets, I believe, twice in the next three weeks. They're going to win a lot of their games. But I still think that we're getting a little bit ahead of ourselves because their defense must have scored so many points. That's not normal. You're not going to get five touchdowns over three games the rest of the season

because your defense special teams keep scoring. You know what this is, Jeff? I said it a couple weeks ago. It's just the more we talk about it, the more obvious of it. It's just Tebow time all over again. The only difference is half the fans out there aren't rooting hard against this guy. Everyone's rooting for him. It's the same damn thing.

He's such a better thrower of the ball, dude. I'm just saying the phenomenon. They're like, he's winning, but is it really all him? He's getting all these things working in his favor. Does he play defense? Is the special teams his fault? Could he possibly beat a team in the playoffs? I don't think so.

Like, it's the same stuff. He's just the same guy. No, I disagree. Nobody thought Tebow was going to be any better than he was in the NFL. Like, that's what he is. Tua makes some great throws.

He can run the football. There's plenty of room for him to grow. He will continue to get better. He's already better than Tim Tebow is now. Tim Tebow won a game two for eight passing grow. He's going to continue to get better. He's already better than Tim Tebow is now. Tim Tebow won a game two for eight passing game, two for eight. Two is not going to win a game two for eight passing. So I know you want to get your boy Tebow in here.

I hope that he wrote you the royalty check and it cashed before the show. So you got your Tebow mention in there. And yeah, man, more quickly, more information on Drew Brees. Came into the game with already one cracked rib. That's why he was wearing the flak jacket before the game that we saw that video was talking about. So, oh, man. I like how you tried to wave some Drew Brees catnip at me

so I wouldn't come back at the Tim Tebow slander. Okay, so we're going to say, to summarize all of this, Tua is not the next Drew Brees yet, but he's also, if you think of the floor of Tebow, he's also not Tebow. He's somewhere in the middle, which means he's a playoff quarterback, and they might keep winning, but you don't think he he's he's no more of a winner in the playoffs than josh allen right now he's just he's a team that's going to get there and then he'll probably lose in the first or second round that's what you're guessing yes okay and drew breeze to sum him up that's a that's pretty serious and we're gonna have to keep an eye on it we'll learn

more throughout the day but we're gonna give give a giant yellow light to the Saints. We were about to anoint the best team in the NFC. We can't do that right now. No, because this is a bad injury. Okay. All right. Let's move the line. Boom.

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I want to know the percent of national media who are back on the Bucks bandwagon over under 99%. Choo-choo. Is Nick Wright back on or not yet? No, I'm saying me and Nick Wright are the only holdouts. That's it. That's so funny. You guys just Nick refuses to. I would...

I think most are back on. You know what? The Saints news is going to get more people back on the bandwagon. I would say that 99% of people are back on it. They're definitely back on it because as soon as Brady does anything that restores the mystique of Brady, everyone forgets about the bad. We did it. We've done this twice already this year. And they didn't play terribly well to start the game.

No. Look, he's got 900 receivers now i mean there's always somebody open yes he can throw a good ball to an open like what why are we so convinced the bucks are a thing i just i don't see it i mean because they have good pieces and they have tom brady and like they they play well for good spurts and their numbers are i think that the thing with them and i'm still have to be cautious about is that they're just something about them i just don't trust them quite yet yeah exactly they're guaranteed to be a favorite in like almost every game they play here on out i would just tell i'm not the gambling guy you're the gambling guy fade the bucks man whatever points they're giving aren't worth it they're gonna get to the playoffs they're

probably gonna sneak one out on like some brady comeback and they're gonna lose in the second round to a team you didn't think was that good we know this story aaron rogers is gonna go get him in the playoffs we already know this don't get on the bandwagon everybody if they go to if they go to green bay yes you bring up by the way as if home field has mattered weird stat home teams went 11 and 1 yesterday but they had been losers road teams had been winners over the course of the season this year obviously the whole thing's thrown off anything to read into that i don't know what to make of that um i don't think so i just think it's just it just was one of those weekends that's it nothing i mean there's some fans are back but not not enough to make a difference i said it was maybe it was a weekend where we kind of got back

to to normal yeah okay well let's talk about a few games in fast bursts here i want to know wins before i give a shit about any of these AFC teams. Las Vegas over under nine and a half before I have to give a shit about them. Over. I just, I, so they could get to 10 or 11 wins before I really need to even like learn who a few of their players are.

Yes. They're not serious. Yes. Okay. Yes. I mean, you basically told me that earlier. You said they're going to get smoked by the Chiefs

and I don't need to take them seriously. I don't want to take them seriously. I'm just making sure. Cleveland. We talked about them with the Chubb run, but how about them as a team? How soon do I have to take them seriously? Never, because they just,

Baker Mayfield's just not the dude. They call plays that they're so afraid of Baker Mayfield, screw it up. All right. So even when they get to 10 or 11 wins, which is coming, I still don't need to take them seriously. Nope.

Okay. And the Colts, another team, they're going to get there. When do I take them seriously? I don't know. I've not taken them seriously all year, but I feel like I sort of have to. They play the Packers this weekend. If they beat the Packers this weekend, it might be time. So I would say under.

It might be time soon. If they beat the Packers this weekend, it's time to take a look at them. Okay. They beat the Packers this weekend. It's time to take a look at them. Okay. I'm on board with that because I reluctantly will take them seriously. I fall for the, like, I don't know, the Colts defense is better than you think.

And, oh, they can do this on offense, some DVOA bullshit. Like, I fall for it with the Colts. They do scare me when they shouldn't. So if they do beat a great team i'm willing to get on board all right wins before jeff gives a you know what about these nfc teams um over under nine and a half the packers we just talked about them i mean what do you mean what does give a shit i mean do i have to take the packer seriously do you have to take yes yes they have aaron rogers yes okay so they get to 10 wins we're like oh my god maybe they could do it.

Yes. Okay. I was going to say the same of the Saints, but obviously their whole setup just changed. So we are formally in a holding pattern for them. How about this? The New York football Giants. How many wins do I have to take them seriously?

The three and seven Giants. God, what a shit division. There's a realistic scenario where the division winner is five, 10 and one or five and 11. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So never. Not this season.

Don't take them seriously. I'll give Joe Judge a shout out though. They've been better than I thought they'd be. So credit him. Okay. That's nice. I think we're done with the Eagles. We're done talking about the Eagles. It doesn't matter whether they win, lose, or tie from here on out.

Let's never talk about the eagles again uh i saw this this feels like the right place to bring it up uh since we're talking about playoff teams playoff bubble reporting the washington post idea would be to have teams quarantining in their own cities or uh when we get to the conference championships quarantining at a neutral site instead of having home field advantage thoughts on any of that um neutral site instead of having home field advantage. Thoughts on any of that? In a year where the home field advantage is not as important, I would say this is okay.

But I will say, though, the weather is a big deal for home field in the playoffs. You know, like, I feel the Packers would be pretty pissed if they had to lose a home game. You know, you work your ass off to win home field advantage or win your division. And if you take that away, then what does it matter where your playoff seating is doesn't matter at all right if you if you know it doesn't matter at all so um i would say that i don't like it for football um but i get why they would do it they want to you know ensure that they get their playoffs off okay all right well we'll have to see how aggressive they get and what they learn from these other leagues. I just want whatever guarantees us football in January. I don't want to hear about delays or cancellations when, you know, I mean, sadly, I think the country is going to be in a very tricky spot in the next few weeks. I don't want that to something a little lighter. Your fellow lineman, David Bakhtiari,

signed the biggest lineman deal in history. So I want to know, how many beers did he chug Monday night in celebration of his $105 million contract deal over under 10.5 beers? Oh, way over. Way over. Way over, yeah. He said he would have a stogie, hang out with his fiance his dogs and

have a beer a lot of beer he's he chugged a lot of beer i would imagine good for him 63 million guaranteed i believe so um oh good for him yeah i mean you know he seems like if you're gonna pay somebody that much money to do a job pay him pay him he just seems like he knows how to do the job he also just seems like a good dude he's also very good at his job yeah yeah um well congrats to him um we'll watch if that line can keep aaron rogers upright and aaron rogers can keep winning them games uh i have to admit i'm a little less bullish on them than i was earlier in the year i've seen some things that make me wonder they don't seem like they kill teams they should kill. I don't know about the Packers. Yeah, it's a problem.

Yes, that's exactly, yes. We talked about him briefly. I just want to know, guess here, over under Nick Chubb cost people over under $10 million on Sunday. Like, are we thinking both directions or just people have backed the Browns? No, let's talk about Browns.

Browns betters who lost. Yeah, I would say over yeah seems like it was right there i mean i i think everyone's phone you know whoever they're in the i was texting with matt at that time too or maybe matt was i don't know what it was just was my buddy travis and i enter picks it's like the brutal one of the one of the you the online services does something kind of like the Super Contest. And so we do it every week. We pick five games. And he hit me before I could even reach my phone. Like, ugh, chub.

So we pushed instead of covering. Same here. Yeah. All right. We'll end on two hoops over-unders. Jeff, I want to know, Jeff bets against the Nets if James Harden gets traded there. Over-under 71 and a half games. So they'd have Harden, Durant, and Kyrie Irving, correct?

Yeah, yeah. And I saw Kyrie doesn't want this to happen. Shocking. And they have a full NBA season. And, you know, they have a full NBA season. You know, I would go under here, the win total. And here's why I would go under. That's a lot of basketball to go around with only one basketball.

Like, there's like a lot of guys want the rock. I'm just not sure it's going to work very well with all those dudes and Harden being inserted into that lineup. Also, here's the deal. We did this already when swap Kyrie for Russell, make all of them less famous and less sure they're the guy. And they couldn't make it work then when they had a pretty good team trying to build to a championship and they were all still relatively humble and unknown. Now there's no chance. So the question technically was, how many times are you going to bet against them this year

over under 71 and a half? Not how many wins will they have? Oh, sorry. Yeah, Nick pointed out that there are 72 games this season. I would bet, I will probably bet against them all the time. Okay, let's just fade the nets if they trade for James Harden. Last one, chances we see a May madness. This is something that's being floated,

I think by Rick Pitino, who's coaching at Iona in my hometown. Thoughts on that? I know that I saw today the report. I don't know I saw that. There is a talk about doing a March madness bubble in Indianapolis during March. The problem with this, Gabe, is that there's no way an indoor basketball season

does not get delayed by multiple weeks throughout the year of just games getting canceled. And probably games like day of, in this case. All these games are at night and they travel so much. So I think it would be smart to move it back to May. The vaccine, they said, should start rolling out and maybe January for high risk individuals and maybe by everyone else by March. And we hopefully get over this and let's say March is the earliest April. Maybe,

I mean, like you might need some time to draw out this season. I think it'd be best to push this to May to have some May madness. Yeah. May madness. All right. Well, I I'm all for it.

The masters proved, I i think that you know we like sports whenever we can get them it was weird seeing the masters you know it was at six o'clock everyone's sort of playing with shadows and stuff it was just odd but it was still cool and so let's take a fun may a fun may weekend or two instead of a march weekend or two big deal i'm with you all right well uh Jeff, we barely talked to USC Oregon. I just want to say to you that Oregon might have more commanding wins. They might be the better team.

But you got to admit, dude, Keaton Slovis has something and watching him play in the fourth quarter is fun as hell. It was incredible. For 58 minutes of that game, he threw wobblers that I think our kids could throw. Like justbly passes these ducks that were just terrible the last drive of the game just

dark doctor i prefer you know my team to blow out other teams that aren't very good i mean i know usc is in this thing now where they just beat arizona arizona state by a couple points and they rah rah and fight on and all this stuff i don't know i just like my my organ team to go up to washington state play a terrible second quarter turn the ball over three times still score 43 rah-rah and fight on and all this stuff. I don't know. I just like my Oregon team to go up to Washington State, play a terrible second quarter, turn the ball over three times, still score 43 points and win by two touchdowns. I don't know. I feel like that's the better way to go.

But whatever. You know, if you want to sweep by Arizona, be my guest. I'm glad because Clay Helton will be the coach next year. Oregon can recruit against him. We can play against him. It's all roses for Oregon, man against him. We can play against him. It's all, it's all roses for Oregon, man. Okay.

Well, I'm going to just say that quarterback led him to two comeback wins and look like a gamer. And we'll play some tougher teams down the stretch. And all of a sudden the PAC 12 might have at least two teams. You could tell me if there's more, but at least two teams who are going to be talked about in the championship, which I never thought was going to be possible this year. I thought Pac-12, see you in 2021.

But maybe, I don't know, maybe there's a way, right? It's very unlikely that all the Pac-12 teams play all their games. I mean, USC's game already got canceled this weekend, I believe, right? Or USC, Utah's about to be canceled. They're not going to play this weekend. USC won't play this weekend. there's open date you know who else has an open date this weekend oregon name oh oh let's and that'd be the same weekend they always squeeze it in there so why not well sort of close the same weekend it doesn't matter but yes yeah but notre dame probably

doesn't even want to play that game because why's no point for them to play that game. I wouldn't go near that game if I was Notre Dame. No, zero point. So, yeah, I don't think a patch-off team. I will say this right now. Today is, I was recording this, November 16th. It is 3.03 p.m. Eastern. I would like to declare that starting in 2021, Oregon will be a legit title contender.

Not like one of these fluffy Oregon teams with Chip Kelly that try to out-scheme you. Like, punch you in the mouth, physical, can actually compete nationally. We're going to have three straight top-ten recruiting classes. We're going to have an offensive line that returns intact, a quarterback that returns intact. Almost all our players come back.

We have the youngest team in the country right now. Youngest starting team in the country, Gabe. We're going to be really good for the next three or four years, and I hope we can get a title in that time. Well, I applaud your optimism, and I look forward to Keaton Slovis ruining your title shot in the final seconds of a game this year or next year, whenever the time comes.

It was fun chatting with you. You should worry about beating, just hope you can beat Colorado at some point this year. That won't matter. All we got to do is, you know, shoot some ducks out of the sky and it's a good season. So Jeff, you made us a lot smarter, specifically on that line depth chart stuff.

That was great. I have a whole new understanding of that situation and a different kind of faith in the Ravens. I'm holding onto the bills, but thank you for making me smarter. It was a fun weekend of football. I'm glad to talk about it with you. Yeah, glad to be here, of course.

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