Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Mahomes Loses in Denver, NFC East Showdown, NY Football Fiasco, and Prize Picks Card

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

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Of course, some other topics as well. Welcome back, Gabe, who has been gone for two weeks now. Part of that, I think, was that he wanted to study and focus in on all 190 snaps of the USC Cal game from this past weekend, which I know that he did. While you've been gone by the way jets jets jets jets buddy your jets are back in the are you are you in the band are you back it's gay back as a jets fan no i'm not back as a jets fan i'm never coming back divorce is final okay not like one of

these weird celebrities who remarries their ex-wife it's not happening we're done with the jets i don't care if they won the ugliest football game i've ever seen in my life it's not they're not a part of my life i'm sorry well they won a game where the other team threw for negative nine yards and might not might not have been the worst quarterback player of the game so so that's happening but let's talk about gabe i believe we're starting with my favorite football team the kansas chiefs you don't even want to take a little bit of a victory lap on how well you've been picking these games week in week out you don't want to tell the people how smart you are we're 26 11 and three which is pretty incredible um and right now by the way matt and ivy congratulations i don't know something's happening today matt might have

a child by the end of this and he will not be here friday we confirmed that we'll find a different solution on friday but matt's going to text me his picks i told him this like we're doing so well this year you can't like ignore that part of your life anymore so i know you're i know you're gonna have a kid but just like text me your picks anyways but yeah we're doing well it's nice um i don't know i'll take it until until it runs out ain't gonna be this way all seasons but i'll take the wins when i can well matt uh as a well you know he'll be joining our club and a club that Pat Mahomes is in. Here's the thing we all have in common, or at least soon we'll all have in common. Fatherhood.

And according to the broadcast, a flu was bouncing around in Pat's home all week. Kid, wife, everyone was sick. And then Pat was sick and he was getting drips and he didn't, he obviously didn't play well. He looked like he was sick and then pat was sick and he was getting drips and he didn't he obviously didn't play well he looked like he was sick so the 16 game win streak against the broncos a team that was total dog crap uh it comes to an end and then the chiefs look really really bad and pat looked as bad as he's looked all year maybe in years so jeff is this just like a one of those blips and eventually they were going to lose to this team, or do we have something to worry about here? The lesson here, Gabe, is you just can't beat the Broncos 17 times in a row.

It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. You just can't do it. You just can't do it. Mahomes is in his sixth season. First division road loss of his career. Yeah. I think our buddy Nick Wright tweeted out

that it's only the fourth time in Pat Mahomes' career he's lost by more than eight points. I believe the Titans was one of those a couple years ago. Like, whatever. The thing about the NFL, it's so different than college football, is you lose a game in college football, and you're like, oh, my season's ruined.

It's destroyed. The Chiefs lose a game, and we'll get to why they lost and the reasons why. Gabe, I woke up this morning, went to check the standings. Guess what? Number one seed in the AFC still. Three game lead in the division, or two and a half game lead in the division.

They're going to be fine. They're going to be fine. Now, the real concern is this. There's clearly a disconnect with the offense and the wide receivers, right? Pat and the wide receivers are just not clicking yet. We said the same thing last year, by the way. At this point, it wasn't great last year, and they figured it out. The difference is I don't know if they're going to figure out quite the same level this season.

Last year they had Juju Schuster, who had 100 targets last season and 78 catches, I think I'm right on that. They don't have that guy this year. They have Travis Kelsey, who, you know, the bye week is going to be important for him in a couple of weeks. I think he's just, he's been beat up. Not quite, I think, as quick as he's been to pass. But also, you could just double-team him, right?

Like, Denver's a double-team him. Like, you're not going to make the difference in this game. You know, can you find someone else to be the offense? And the answer right now is no, right? Christian Watson has some ability down the field, but they missed that middle of the field player. They missed, okay, Kelsey's not open seven yards out here. Where's the other receiver open seven yards over here?

They don't have that guy right now. And that was Juju last year for them, right? Now, it was supposed to be Sky Moore. Clearly, it's not Sky Moore because he just can't catch. Rasheed Rice might be that guy at some point, but he's a rookie. He's figuring things out. He had a bad drop in this game, but had some good plays as well. It's certainly not Kadarius Toney.

They just don't have that player right now, and the trade deadline is tomorrow, I believe. I don't think the Chiefs are going to move someone, excuse me, move for someone. Limited amount of cap space, no draft picks next season. Maybe they trade for Juju. Ask for Juju back from Baltimore. They got Hardman back.

Maybe he's that guy. But Hardman was never the receiver in this offense that Juju was. They're missing that guy. And again, could that be Richie Rice at some point? Absolutely. But the thing I'm not going to do is I'm not going to panic and say like, oh, this is it. This is it. The Chiefs are going to do is I'm not going to panic and say, like, oh, this is it.

This is it. Like, the Chiefs, they'll figure it out offensively. The thing about them right now, which makes it so different than other years, Gabe, their defense is really good. Even yesterday, they were put on short fields, and they battled their ass off until the very end. And so they put the Dolphins this weekend in Germany. I'm not worried about when they put the Dolphins and Eagles.

The worry is when they play this, right, the Broncos. They're always up for the Dolphins and Eagles games. They just offensively, it wasn't great. They got to figure out the wide receiver position. I just don't think they're going to trade for someone. So it's got to be out in-house how to um you know how to get this office to function a little more smoothly yeah okay i want to come back to the trade thing until yesterday's breakout from will levis uh and d-hop having three touchdowns i would have said you know

andre hopkins is going to be on the move and Kansas City makes a lot of sense. There might be some other guys who are even more obvious slot kind of guys, just juju types. Juju should obviously be on the selling block from New England. You're sure there's no way they go out and get someone, though? Like it just I don't know. It feels like they they're in a bit of a win now, right? Like how many more years with Travis and Pat together are we going to have? Like you probably want to get one or two more ring runs in right now. Go give up a draft pick. Go get a player. Yeah, I don't know who that guy is though, right?

I mean, Hopkins maybe, but to be fair fair they don't need hopkins like they don't need that type of receiver he's not they need they need that like that again that middle of field slot guy like they need that type of player who is trustworthy and they don't have that yet so again i would just call it patriots what do you want for juju yeah two and six two and five like what do you need for juju? Just come on back, buddy. We were wrong. We should have paid you. Come on back.

Or she didn't get paid that much money. But come on back and let's run it back. And Juju said last year, too, that it took about eight to ten weeks to figure out how to work with Pat. It's week eight right now with a bunch of young players. So there's a chance that maybe they sort of, quote, unquote, figure it out. But one thing, too, like, don't – I know you're joking about the flu thing like no one blamed the flu it's not that's not why they lost this game they lost this game because i wasn't joking you sure yeah you were joking offensively there's just no i they said he had the flu on the broadcast i'm not joking what no i no i believe he had the flu

i'm saying what we were joking about basically blaming this game on the flu. We're not blaming this game on the flu. You're not. Oh, you're blaming this? I'm asking the question. You're supposed to make me smarter on this show. It looked like he played like crap. Is it because he felt like crap? No, no, no.

He was fine. I mean, he wasn't. He felt like crap. I don't think that's why he played like crap. All right. Fair enough. I believe you. So, yeah, they just have to um again

offensively it's finding the wide receiver who again might be in the room um might be a trade i i haven't seen anything there's a trade right now leonard williams got traded to um from the giants to the seahawks um interesting for a second and fifth round pick. So I don't know what the teams are going to do. No one's reported anything. No one has even put out any sort of hints about what they might do. But it feels like just getting Juju's back would be very helpful for them.

Yeah, question. I want to talk Mike McDaniels and the Dolphins for a second here, because we won't have a chance later. Going to Germany is a weird thing to do as an NFL team. Mike is not conventional. I'm curious, like these are weird weeks. You break your routines. Old timey coaches with all their weird rules seem like guys who would struggle sending a team to Germany to play in a different place on a different schedule he seems like the kind of guy who could be flexible and make it fun

and get his team bought in on like this weird journey together am I giving him credit for something he doesn't deserve am I just falling for all the funny press conferences he seems like he'd be pretty chill dude sending his team to Germany I actually feel like an older coach would almost be better prepared to handle this logistically than a new coach okay but i don't think it matters much in this game i think it's just a weird situation to have this big of a game in germany um you know it's a neutral site vibe which is always weird i mean the one super bowl i went to which was the chiefs and niners it's a weird vibe, right? Because the field is half Chief fans, half Dolphin fans,

and really more like a third, third, and then a third corporate. It's going to feel like a corporate game. It's going to be very weird in the stands. I feel like it's going to kind of lessen the vibe of what this game really could be. The question I have, I don't know, I can look it up, is when the Chiefs and Dolphins are going to Germany, it's a long flight. Are they going today? Are they going to get acclimated to the time there?

Are they going Friday, which would change my opinion maybe about who can win and lose this game. The Chiefs are able to handle the Taylor Swift distraction. They're going to be fine with this. I think the Dolphins will be fine too. I mean, do Tyreek Hill's legs still work fine in Germany? Okay, great, they do. Then we'll be fine, right?

But Tyreek Hill has we in our preseason uh wagering previews we took tyreek hill over 1300 yards i want to say and he has nearly a thousand already this season uh which is wow i mean he said he wanted 2 000 yards he is he's got 10 000 yards through eight games to me 1 000,000 yards through eight games. He's on pace for that. Nice record. Yeah. He's on pace for that. It's pretty wild.

Yeah. All right. Well, I mean, it's obviously the game of the week. The other sort of undercard AFC matchup that, you know, these are probably the four teams we're going to have to talk about late into January, at least on the AFC side. Burrow and Allen matching up. And Burrow seems revived.

All the takes today are, you know, he's back and better than he ever was um so i guess whatever the concerns were for the first few weeks of the season people have gotten over it did you see enough out of them do you see enough out of the bills after bouncing back do do those feel like the two other teams on the top four in the AFC. Yeah, actually, well, I would go, I'd probably go Chiefs, Jaguars, Dolphins, Bengals, Bills, I think. If I were to go like how I feel about the teams right now. Jaguars. Jaguars, I think have played, I think I did this, I put this for Fox Sports yesterday. Jaguars, I think, have played – I think I did this – I put this for Fox Sports yesterday. They played – they started 2-7 last year,

and since then they've lost five total games and three have been to Kansas City. Jacksonville's really good. People sleep on Jacksonville. Good football team. The Bills, to me, are untrustworthy. Like, what are they, Gabe? Like, what are they – the Bills and USC have parallels, in my opinion,

where you say about both those teams – we're talking and USC have parallels, in my opinion, where you say about both those teams. We're talking about USC. No, seriously. Both those teams. The identity of the Trojans is Caleb Williams just running around and make plays for us, right? What's the Bills' identity? Josh Allen, make plays for us.

Be our team for us. The Bengals have a real identity. They're really good on defense. And with Burrow back, and we saw yesterday they ran the ball, their team feels much more whole than Buffalo does. And so the line is two. I'd take the Bengals right now. And I think we'll – but the Buffalo, look, the biggest game they've played so far.

They beat the Dolphins by a lot of points. This will be fun, man. This will be a lot of fun. It's a tiebreaker for an afc top seed possibly um it's so fun we got and then we have don't we have cowboys eagles this weekend too yeah i was gonna say the nfc is just as exciting in terms of like playoff relevance so eagles cowboys um and i i'm be honest with you i don't know what to make of either of these teams they're obviously two of the better teams the nfc but i don't know how to rank them and i don't know what

i'm gonna get each week the cowboys just ended that game in the first quarter it felt like yeah you know and the and the eagles could have put it away didn't quite i i i'm just not 100 sure i understand which of those teams truly is dominant yeah well the cowboys to me are front runners when they're up in a game gabe yeah that that with that pass rush they're not going to be being very often when they get they're up 17-3 early in that game and they got to pick six right that they're not beating them if that happens no one's doing that even the eagles aren't doing that but if you play the cowboys close that's where you kind of get into, yeah, like we can beat this team, right?

So that's the story. The Eagles to me are just, they're Eagles, man. Like they're winning games. Washington always gives them trouble. So this weekend to me was not a surprise. We did not bet the commander, thankfully, depending on what number you got, 6, 6, 9, 4, 7. You feel pretty bad about where you're at.

But the Eagles are 7-1. depending what number you got six six nine four seven you feel pretty bad about where you're at um but the eagles are seven and one i mean it hard to do they're not to me they're not a paper seven or one right they're they're advanced stats backup how well they play this this season um you know the niners five and three now. You know, I don't know. I don't know about their quarterback. I think that conversation is going to continue every week until something changes with Brock Purdy. So here's the thing about Brock Purdy. It's a good lesson. And I think I was, I learned this lesson too.

But I was also reacting to the anti-Brock Purdy stuff when I said a couple weeks ago, I think he's just a good football player. Is even the last couple of weeks, he hasn't played played terrible he's had a bad mistake or two right like a bad mistake he hasn't been terrible other overall there's a saying that we have when we watch film game in the offensive line room that we always said it was never as good as you think or never as bad as you think right if you'd like if I had a sweet block I'd go watch it and be like ah that guy kind of tripped ah it's not as not as cool. Bad player, like, ah, not as bad as I thought it would be, right?

Okay. I feel like how we should evaluate most things in the NFL. Like Brock Purdy was probably never as good as we wanted him to be five weeks ago, but probably never as bad as you think he is now. Somewhere in the middle, right? Somewhere in the middle. I think at the best, he's efficient. He doesn't turn the ball over.

The Niners move the ball, but he's not a top 15 quarterback. At worst, he's efficient. He doesn't turn the ball over. The Niners move the ball. But he's not a top 15 quarterback. At worst, what he is now, right? Too many turnovers. Too many plays where he's not doing the right thing. And it's costing him in these moments. It's not the whole game, right? It's not Zach Wilson in the game.

It's just a couple moments throughout the game that are not great. And so if he kind of goes back in that other direction where he makes it, he fixes those issues, they're fine. I think that the concern with them too, though, is that their defense is just not what it was last season. And it's a good reminder that defense tends to fluctuate a lot more in the offseason than offense. Where offense, if you see the top offensive teams, are typically the top offensive teams.

Defense, like just every year kind of goes up and down. The goal goal in my opinion if you're a good offense kansas city bangles bills dolphins eagles like just be average on defense like some years you're going to be really good but you can't just be really bad just be average on defense and the niners have built their team in this run game and and the defense and the quarterback being efficient well if you start slowly lose a couple of those things right then you just you don't have a second gear dude pretty fascinating i saw this today uh sam munson put this out of pff kyle shanahan is 0 and 37 when training by

eight plus points in the fourth quarter as a coach that's insane man talking about front running the cowboys how about that front running no comebacks one they have like one way to sort of win and when they don't this is what happens yeah well i i think your analysis of purdy makes total sense and i'm not able to look at the tape and evaluate him more analytically. Just the way we all talk about sports, what you said makes sense, which is he was never as good as we wanted him to be. And he's certainly not as bad as the worst that will be said about him this week. They still seem like a playoff team. So back to the Eagles for a second,

because they now appear to be the best team in the NFC. We would certainly say that if they beat the Cowboys next week, but listen to this run Cowboys at chiefs home for the bills and the NFC. We would certainly say that if they beat the Cowboys next week. But listen to this run. Cowboys at Chiefs, home for the Bills and the Niners, and then at the Cowboys again. They're 7-1, but coming out of those five, they'd

be lucky to go 3-2, right? Those are not all wins. No way they're coming out of that 5-0. You want to win the Super Bowl? Then you better beat Super Bowl-caliber teams, right? Like, that's what happens, right, Gabe? Like, this is what the NFL does best.

You have a first-place schedule. Well, next year, you finish first place, you get a first-place schedule. And they also just drew the Chiefs, which isn't great, and they drew the AFC East, which is a really good division this year. That's just part of it's part of life um and all right well go figure it out i mean i i if they can get through that stretch it's cowboys chiefs bills niners cowboys seahawks seahawks will probably be a playoff team if they go there's three three and three then they play giants cardinals giants let's put them at 13 and four man yeah 13 and four no that that giants cardinals giants that's puts about 13 and four man yeah 13 and four

no that that final stretch is and that's what you want right wouldn't you rather end the season giants cardinals giants and basically be resting some guys to you know get to the playoffs healthy versus this is a real real rhyme and they're gonna lose at kansas city they're gonna lose one of the games to the cowboys and bills and niners are know, might get up for those games and beat them. So let me ask you this, Jeff, because I texted this while we were watching. I sometimes do that while when I know you're paying attention. Well, you're always paying attention, but when I'm paying attention. So in that Eagles Commanders game, when it felt like it was all Eagles and they got a turnover and they have the ball and they were running the tush push and then they

did a fake tush push we have some ideas for what to call that but deandre swift actually like takes the ball instead of the keep and he runs sort of sweep out to the left and runs in for a score which they kind of needed but like also why show that play now in a game you're probably going to win anyway like do coaches think like i'm thinking on that why show the whole league that um well well while i talk about this i want you to tee up those names for me about what we're going to call this sweet play right um well a couple things here one is that you know that's a game where washington kept scoring and they scored right after that, right? It was 38-24.

So I think in that situation, you're like, we need a touchdown for sure. Like, we need to score, go ahead, end this game. And so that's what coaches think about. They don't think about, oh, well, we might want to use this in week 14 against the Seahawks. It's like, we've got to win this game today. This play is going to work. Let's run this play today.

And now, when you put swift back there again you motion him out you have one less defender there right in the box uh you hand the ball you fake hand on the ball you run the other direction like there's things you could do off of this now but i think you had to show especially after you fumbled the earlier touch push that like something just you have something else you have something else there to do they showed it. Again, it's all about winning now, right? Preserving the ability to win this game.

Again, the NFL is week to week. You got to win the game at hand. And it felt necessary in that moment to do that. Plus it saves Kelsey another rep of having to just be mauled by everyone. So I think it was a smart play. Obviously it worked. And then the commanders came back down and scored again. They need those points. And so I think it was a smart play. Obviously, it worked, and then the commanders came back down and scored again. They needed those points, and so I think it was a good decision.

All right, so the next time they run it, here's what we propose we call that. I don't know if I have a favorite here. You tell me what you think. The Fanny Fake. So-so? The Rump Ruse. The Derriere Dupe. Ooh, the Derriere Dupe is a good one, i think i like this one the best though the buttocks bamboozle a lot of a lot of syllables but i think it's worth it

buttocks bamboozle for a touchdown yeah it's not but but but bamboozle i think buttocks bamboozle works well it's very proper when you say it that way it's a problem yeah i could see imagine my wife saying it that way this is getting oh geez your very real wife yeah my real wife who's not a robot um aj brown by the way having an unbelievable season all fantasy uh owners know that i'm one of them but like we're just talking about the chiefs and and picking up a receiver. Like, teams don't always know what they have, right? Like, this guy was with the Titans.

Everyone thought he was talented. Now he's clearly the best receiver in the league, breaking all kinds of records week to week. How does that happen? How do people not know they've got such a player? Well, Tennessee never had a quarterback in an offense like Hurts, right? well tennessee never had a quarterback in offense like hurts right so i think a lot of it comes down to to just you know where where you where you land who's your coaching staff um so i i i think that's part of it right like he just didn't have jalen hurts he didn't have this he didn't have

this team he wasn't you know i guess when you're running the ball with Derek Henry, you have a lot of single coverage, but you had Ryan Tannehill thrown to you, you know, not Jalen Hurts. So it just takes a change of scenery to get there. Well, it seems like the Eagles are built on, at least offensively, are built on a few guys who other people didn't fully value correctly. Jalen Hurts being the best example. Like, he was a second-round guy.

He was dismissed. You know, he was pushed to the bench in his own at Alabama. Like, DeAndre Swift was a pretty good player, but he ends up there. You know, like, they've got these guys. I mean, even Jalen Carter, who went down the draft board to end up there. Yeah, well, they must have a better way of evaluating. Well, we're talking about the crappy quarterback play in Tennessee. Apparently, they got their guy, the mayo eater himself, Will Levis.

Four touchdown passes in his NFL debut outshined what was supposed to be the big one-versus-two in Stroud versus Young which was a real stinker I mean Young got the win but kind of a boring game so uh Vrabel plus Levis is the new Belichick Brady right oh it absolutely is how about that I mean he looked good it's one game obviously um against a bad Falcons team but what really impressed me and what the Titans need in the worst way is a quarterback to push a ball down the field. And he had three touchdown passes over 30 yards.

It was really fun to watch. He was like pump faking too. He looked like he knew what he was doing. Maybe some mayonnaise in the coffee is the way to go. Oh, God, that sounds like just the grossest thing of all time, Gabe. Mayonnaise in coffee? Hideous. Hideous. Hideous.

And he's from the Northeast, so I don't even understand this. Like, where did he even get the idea? So he should be like a Dunkin' Donuts guy then. They should kick him out of there. Don't bring mayonnaise into Dunkin' Donuts. I have a slight issue with the Titans, though. I don't think you can wear throwbacks of a team that you basically took yeah like you can't wear they look good so for those who missed it the tennessee titans wore

houston oilers throwbacks they came from houston then the texans were so like you but that's that would be like the the hornets wearing charlotte hornets wearing like pelicans jerseys like like or like because we like like it was our way yeah yeah the thunder wearing Pelicans jerseys. It was the other way around. Yeah, the Thunder wearing Sonics jerseys would cause an outrage in Seattle. You'd be like, the Hornets came from New Orleans, right? Or we went to New Orleans, one of the two. It didn't matter. But you just can't do that.

To me, it feels like the Texans should wear Oilers uniforms. Yeah. Well, I think the NFL stepped in, by the way, Jeff, and said what you're saying, which was you can't do that. It feels like the Texans should wear Oilers uniforms. Yeah. Well, I think the NFL stepped in, by the way, Jeff, and said what you're saying, which was you can't do that. There's copyright infringement issues. So they're done doing the Oiler knockoff. Sorry, it was the other way around. The Hornets went to New Orleans and became the Pelicans.

So it'd be weird if the Pelicans wore Hornets throwbacks. Basically what you're saying. That would be very weird. Right. But the NFL is saying this isn't going to be a thing again so even though it was fun to look at and everyone was excited on twitter i don't think we're going to get that again so like we have to take the titans seriously or can they just remain in the don't bother talking about them don't bother talking about so wait so that would mean like you'd have like what other teams would do this the cults where it would wear like would wear – no, it would have to be like the Ravens. What other teams would have to do this?

It would be pretty interesting to figure out what teams would do this. Well, the Ravens would be wearing Cleveland Browns stuff, which is ironic, I suppose. Baltimore went – the Colts went to Indy, right? That's how – right? Baltimore went to Indy, I think. Baltimore went to Indy, right? That's how – right? Baltimore went to Indy, I think. Baltimore went to Indy, yeah. Yeah. That would be – if they had one weekend, we just wore your old –

like the Chargers wore Chargers uniforms still. I mean, it'd be really interesting if they did that for one weekend. You just had to wear your original uniforms. Like I think Arizona was in chicago beforehand or boston it'd be it'd be a fun weekend in the nfl well the only thing worth a damn about the jets giants matchup this weekend would be talking about their old uniforms um that was the worst game of football i've seen in recent memory i'm certainly not the only person who felt that way we were down to a third string quarterback for the giants and a

starting quarterback who should be no better than a third string quarterback on most teams for the jets in a game that for some reason we were forced to watch overtime because they neither team could just lose uh that game was gross and here's my big take next time they play the loser is moved to london we don't need two teams in new york anymore it was fine when the giants were great but like come on it they haven't we don't need two teams to root for and the bills are the only team from the damn state well they don't play for four more years buddy um okay so let's talk about the end of the game everyone's talking about that spot gate right boomer science is wrong it's okay he got community

he got community noted on twitter yeah how about that um boomer got community noted for a football take yeah yeah um was it you did it je, Jeff? No, but I probably did. He's wrong. In a hurry-up situation like that, the official has to touch the ball. That means it's spotted. The rulebook doesn't say who spots it. It doesn't say nothing about the offensive line. We can't spot it. All it says is the official has to spot the ball.

The ball was spotted when he touched it. That counts in the hurry-up mechanism, and the ball was snapped. It's important to note, go back and watch. Was it the end of last year's playoff game or the year before when the Niners were in Dallas, okay? They ran that quarterback sneak, and they slid, and the center for the Cowboys tried to do the same thing, tried to spot the ball where Dak Prescott finished his slide.

However, go watch the video. The referee was two yards back spotting the ball where Dak Prescott finished his slide. However, go watch the video. The referee was two yards back spotting the ball. The line judge was because when you spot the ball on the slide, it's where you start your slide. So he wasn't in the wrong place. The umpire had to move the ball backwards. Watch the Jets center.

He gets the ball. He looks at the line judge. He sees where the line judge is, puts the ball down. The ref runs up, sees it's correct, touches it, snaps snap the ball spike like it was worked out well for them okay okay that's jeff's uh child who would probably right now i would slot as this second best quarterback on the jets i'm in the middle of work guys don't worry jeff i'll fill it's like it's a baby okay this is what it was like watching the jets giants game by the way this is the type of circuit out here well there's a snake outside game a little snake like what do we mean okay okay maybe have

one of those hawks that killed all your chickens go get well if it's a black snake a rat snake it's fine if it's a copperhead we got to deal with it nonetheless Well, if it's a black snake or rat snake, it's fine. If it's a copperhead, we've got to deal with it. Nonetheless. Well, either way, it seems like your little children will figure it out without you. Figure it out. Okay. So the thing about the ending of this game was the Giants, someone has to be fired for the end of this game.

Think about this. First and 10, Saquon Barkley has a chance for a first time, and the game falls down. Doesn't get it. First and 10, Saquon Barkley has a chance for a first time and the game falls down. Doesn't get it. For some reason, just falls down. The Giants have to kick a field goal two plays later.

You know, misses the field goal. Okay, 24 seconds left. There's no way the Jets are getting down for a game time field goal. They completed 29 yard pass. The clock stopped

because Kayvon Thibodeau was off sides. If he was on side the clock just runs and runs and runs and runs and runs they have to spike the ball and go hail mary then the next play another 29 yard pass completion and for some reason they let the lazar just get up off the ground just lay on him until the ref pulls you off of him like it just was it was the giants are just not coached well right now i know they're injured i know they're that it was just a horrific ending to that game for the giants it's not

acceptable they're a better franchise than that yes they are uh and the jets have a better coach than the team that plays for him yeah that's why we don't need both of these franchises in this city anymore i grew up loving them i i all my every meaningful person in my life roots for one of these two teams we'll be fine without them it's fine they will just send one of them to london there's your answer let me ask you this of course aaron rogers has to try to insert himself into the story um he's now thanks to his you know better understanding of science than the rest of us have he has had a miraculous achilles uh surgery and is now walking around and even throwing on a field and i'm here to say um as silly as aaron rogers tends to be these days

i think at whatever status he is right now he's better than zach wilson somebody should clear him and send his ass back out there because he said he wanted to play in I think at whatever status he is right now, he's better than Zach Wilson. Somebody should clear him and send his ass back out there because he said he wanted to play in the playoffs. They're not getting there unless he goes and wins them a few of these games. You can't win that game 13-10 and think you have a good team. Aaron Rodgers loves coming out before the game and throwing the ball, doesn't he? The intention on him is, he's probably not going to play this season, and there's more attention to him than there is the actual team.

He'll play. When? They're going to have to put him out there. He's not going to take no for an answer. Interesting. So you think he plays like week 16, even if they're out of the playoff? He saw what we saw.

He knows that even if his achilles ruptures mid game him walking around one-legged is better than zach wilson against a real team yeah well that's fair speaking of which i agree with you there can i can i just i took note of this yesterday and i was blown away can i just tell you about some of the quarterbacks that played in the quarterback oh it's so it's so bad help me out here so we have tyson bagent right and that is named agent sure it doesn't matter bears guy who never even played d1 football um by the way fun guy to watch but whatever tommy devido never heard of him but he was playing meaningful time for the giants jaron hall had to come in when um kirk cousins went down also within achilles mitch trabisky got some time tyler heineke back on the field will levis obviously we talked about him

brett rippin and cooper rush gardner minchu he's the most experienced of all these guys Taysom Hill your boy PJ Walker gets the start DTR gets on the field Josh Dobbs has been starting for weeks Mac Jones and Zach Wilson too what the hell is this how are these players in NFL games yeah it's not great um injuries have ravaged the sport this year, quarterback, right? And then teams being unprepared and looking ahead to this draft. We're going to have Caleb Williams, Drake May, Bo Nix, Riley Leonard, Michael Penix, Jalen Daniels, maybe Jalen Daniels. Like, you're going to have all these quarterbacks that are going to come out. Sam Hartman.

I mean, teams are just waiting, Gabe, to get themselves a quarterback in this draft, and so they're just sucking up with bad quarterbacks right now. Fine, but we used to have him account for every team. There was a guy who could go in, Andy Dalton, whoever was out there, Flacco, whoever you needed could go. Yeah, there's no veterans anymore. Is it just a money thing?

Just help me understand this why do we have a d3 guy starting for the bears in prime time it's cheaper i mean it works every now and then brock purdy until a couple weeks ago it looked pretty cool but like it this can't be it i think it's just cheaper and we're seeing a cycling out of the a lot of the little quarterbacks make so much money that they don't want to stay on as backups late in their career and the guys end up playing 15 years or you know tyrod taylor who's good he's good yeah not great he's a good backup um that's probably a big part of it well tyra it's by the way the best quarterback in new jersey so he should be a starter for one of those two teams um jeff let's take a quick break we got some more picks to give out we got some college football to touch on uh let's do it a

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All right, Jeff, we're back. It's time for us to break down some college football if we even want to call the usc game football um i'll say it i'll just beat you to the punch this is like b rabbit in a rap battle we're garbage our defense is garbage uh usc getting bailed out by cal not converting a two-point conversion to go for it and win the game, credit to them for even trying, was embarrassing. I said they should not allow Alex Grinch back on the plane to SoCal. They should just leave him up in the Bay Area. They're playing Washington next week at the Coliseum.

I know the over-under is high. I'd say double it. No one will play defense in this game, and USC is a joke. If you had to guess what the total for this game is, what would you guess? It's just right there, staying there. Uh-oh. The snake is not going away. I'm still working.

I like this. Do not touch the snake just don't touch it i'll be down in 15 minutes okay jeff i can tell the audience that usc has a crap defense without you for a minute if you want to go get the snow i don't care about the snake around your beautiful daughter just don't touch the snake um jesus christ i would have guessed the over under would be about 90 it's 70 76 yeah which feels low um yeah usci the cal scored on a third and one on the first drive of the game um and they ran the ball but between the left tackle left guard i wrote down the weights of the three usc players on defense nearest so the defensive tackle the defensive end and the linebacker you ready yeah

the defensive end was 230 pounds the defense was 275 and the linebacker was 215 yeah i mean if you want to play in the mountain west, it's a great size defense, but you're at USC. The problem is Gabe, besides the schematic stuff, which is just atrocious. The schematics are awful. They are small.

They're small. They're Alexander's really good. He's six to 300 pounds. He is the only 300 pound football player on the defense who plays for the USC Trojans or 300 pounder Oregon on the defense who plays for the USC Trojans. Only 300 pounder. Oregon, by the way, who is a playoff team, in my opinion, they might not get there.

Who knows? College football is weird. They have like seven 300 pounders who play on the defensive line. You have to have big bodies to play big. And USC doesn't. We heard this weekend from Deion Sanders after they lost again to UCLA and he made a comment we're gonna find new linemen USC has tried that Colorado is trying that you have to home grow these guys I cannot stress this enough you you can have an offensive-defensive line that is filled up with portal players as necessary,

but the base of that unit has to be a player that you have had in your program, in your culture, ready to go. Oregon, by the way, best defensive line in the Pac-12 Conference. Take it back. UCLA is probably the best. Oregon is the deepest. I think it's three portal players. That's it. Out of like the 12 that play. It's all guys that have been there a long time. Some freshmen.

Even the transfer portal players, Gabe, by the way, there's one transfer portal player of the three. There's three, yeah. That came this year. Two of them came two years ago. Like they've been here for a long time. And so USC and Colorado out west are trying this thing where they're just like, we'll just get a whole new bunch of players every year.

It doesn't work that way. And USC does not recruit defensive players, defensive linemen. It's insane. Oregon got another five-star today, defensive linemen. Like, you have to recruit. You need those guys to come in and be the base of your team, and USC does not have that. I like to fight at least they showed fight taylor williams plays his ass off but the offense too is sort of like broken the offense is not doesn't play in a lot of rhythm it's not

very functional but enough about the shitty usc team um oregon's really good like oregon's a play or to play a playoff caliber team uh washington think is a playoff caliber team they struggle a little bit you'll play one of those two gets in um we get to this point where the college football rankings are out tomorrow the first playoff rankings and we get to a point where we say this every year we're like week five I don't know I don't know there's 12 teams that can make it and now you get to like week week 10 and it's Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State, one Big 12 team and one Pac-12 team. Done. We have our nine teams that can make it.

And it simples itself down as we play more football. We learn about the teams as they continue to go through adversity, injuries, injuries crippled Utah, as we've seen. Like, it's part of the sport. Injuries might have crippled Texas, right, without Quinn Ewers. Part of the sport. It sucks. Injuries stink.

But it's been a fun year. As we've been talking, by the way, the Iowa offensive coordinator, who is Kurt Ferentz's son, Brian Ferentz, will be relieved of duties, which is funny because he had to reach – to save his his job they needed 325 points this season total it didn't matter of offense or defensive points and they're not even remotely close to that nope yeah imagine they put a threshold on those like we kind of think you stink at this so if you prove to us that you stink we're just going to fire you and yeah and your own

dad is the one tossing you out um let's stay in that conference though and and some of the big guys obviously the last week everyone has made jokes about harbaugh and the cheating scandal and and every fan of every team in the big 10 and everyone who ever played michigan is now finding some video or creating some giant conspiracy i know your view on all of this is a lot simpler and more like most players would be what what should we make of what's going on with harbaugh and michigan and the various accusations of cheating over the last few years okay so um a couple things here they obviously did it like there's it's we know they did it right the evidence is all there so the question becomes gabe

um you know at what level did it go stein sign stealing like in baseball is accepted if you do by the traditional means right you you see them call like you know oregon was calling like they're making a youth symbol all game they must have a defensive game plan in for for the youths right if utah sees that in the game and they figure out oh that's cover three great like we're gonna tell even if you watch a tv copy and you see like them doing this one week and then next week you try to figure it out um but you sure i know it's against the rules to do what michigan did in the stands as far as film the opponent but it's also sort of breaking like the coaching code right where you you it's sort of understood that you're not going to do that right so it's spying all over again it's

the same thing right like it as soon as it was eric mangini left the patriots he's like don't don't do this to me he did it to them and he got in trouble right like and so um that's that's where the part of it i think that sucks and one one part of it that stinks to me, two parts, two parts. One is that I don't even know how much this helped them win or lose. I was listening to Brock Hewitt, what's his name, with Colin Coward talking about sign stealing. And he said that when he was at Washington, there was a guru there who was just watching TV copy,

and it was great at stealing signs. I think it was at Washington. It might have been in the NFL. It doesn't matter. He said it helped him two or three plays a game. That was it. Now, if those three plays ended up being good, that's a big part of the game plan.

I get that. But I couldn't even tell you if it helped Michigan. Michigan's playing nobody. They could have told Michigan State, we're running the ball right here. I'm playing over play. We're playing cover three. They would have no chance

michigan state was gonna get their ass kicked so i don't know how much actually helps them to win and lose gabe it's illegal they should get punished for that and then i think last for me is that i like michigan's coaching staff like i know some of the coaches there um the joe moore award that i vote on for best college offense line they won two years in a row like i like what michigan does i like watching them play football. I felt this tarnish is just my personal watch of Michigan, right? Which is kind of a bummer. So there's, you know, hard by the NFL now. There's reports that they might like not let him come to the NFL.

So I don't know. It's interesting. Nothing will happen this year, I don't think. We far enough into the show for me to give you a steamy hot take here? Oh, no. Oh, let's hear it. Harbaugh replaces Belichick. Pulls a Pete Carroll.

Gets out of there before they catch up to him. Goes and gets paid. Probably the only kind of person who could replicate and maybe adjust the culture created in new england gives everyone a smooth off ramp bill wants to leave we're sure gotta rebuild in new england gotta get a clean start in michigan why not um it's a good place for him because the bears have been the one that um has come up most often but kevin warren the former big 10 commissioner is now Cause I, the bears have been the one that has come up most often, but Kevin Warren, a former big 10 commissioner is now the president of the bears and people

think that's not going to work out that Warren doesn't want Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh is going to the NFL somewhere this year, going to NFL. I mean, are you telling me that the, the Mark Davis won't give him a call this off season after the fire, the chargers might look into it depending on how things play out with Staley, but I'm just saying.

Herbert and Harbaugh would be a good pairing. Yeah, your Chargers. Yeah, my Chargers. Well, let's stay in their division for the Raiders, who stink, but are playing tonight. Monday night game, Lions. We haven't talked about them in a while, it seems. We talked about them all offseason.

They showed up and played as well as as all the hype somehow then we kind of stopped talking about them and here we have a monday night game where uh they're favored by seven and a half the half's interesting so take me through it what are you looking at tonight well it was it was like nine the sharps of hammering which is wild because I just can't – I don't see the Raiders being competitive. They're just not a good football team. They have some good players, but the Lions have the pieces, like the offensive line to shut down Max Crosby. Hard to do.

They got Panay Sewell, and that's why he's there, right? And so I do think the Lions win this game. And as we know, Monday night we have our prize pick segment. I put a three- entry together use my promo code gssy for a hundred dollar match deposit you can choose up to six players uh and you you pick more or less than than their projection and so we're going to uh we're going to look at what i put together tonight it was fun i did i did one yesterday during i wanted a second half wager for some props, but I couldn't find props. I just used price picks.

I hit it. I did a second-half Mozart-Henry more rushing total one and hit it. It was awesome. That's a square, baby. You nailed it. You ready? Here we go. Jimmy Garoppolo, less than 252.5 passing yards.

He has been over 208 yards one time this season, one time this year. He doesn't throw for a lot of yards. He's coming off injury. I think the Lions will be able to slow him down enough, slow the weapons down enough for the Raiders, and I just think it's going to gain where they're going to try to run the football, keep out of Goff's hands, and Jimmy G. I just think betting Jimmy G under is always the way to go.

Jamison Williams more than excuse me, Jamison Williams more than 26 and a half receiving yards. He had none last weekend, but with Amon Ross, St. Brown, he's a little under the weather, right? A little under the weather. I just think that the Raiders don't have a deep secondary. They really don't have much of a secondary, and I feel

like this is the game where second and third options for the Lions are going to hit pretty big and the last one i have i i love i love doing sacks man i love to throw sacks in here aiden hutchinson more than a third of a sack so one whole sack basically i knew one whole sack a hundred against the uh the raiders offensive line i'm gonna do it well actually jeff i think the way it's the way it's written, they're basically trying to tempt you into betting it to get a half sack because a half is more than a third.

There's no such thing as a third of a sack. Well, no, it's telling you that you need more than half a sack to win. Some weeks – You just said a third. I said – I'm sorry. Did I say that incorrectly? Start it over. Three quarters.

Tell me what I'm doing with the sacks. 800 and more. I said three quarters of a sack. Isn Tell me what I'm doing with the sacks. Aiden Hutchinson more than three quarters of a sack. Is that what I said? Three quarters of a sack. I don't know what you said. Now, say it again so I got it because I want to write it down and win some money. Aiden Hutchinson more than three quarters

of a sack. So I need one full sack. One full sack or two half sacks. One full sack or two half sacks against the Raiders' offensive line. Sold. Done. So let me repeat this. Jimmy Garoppolo, less than 252.5 passing yards.

Jamison Williams, more than 26.5 receiving yards. Aidan Hutchinson, more than three quarters of one sack. I've seen one sack from Aidan Hutchinson tonight. That's my price pick square. My only concern is the Jamison Williams pick because I'm looking at his game logs and he had zero last weekend. He was targeted six times in the passing game. So those are probably a little dump off.

It's not like they're running a lot of plays for him to go deep the week prior though. He broke one. He had a 45 yarder. So he had it all in one play. But the week prior though uh he broke one he had a 45 yarder so he had it all in one play but the week prior to that he only had two yards receiving on three targets so he's kind of all or nothing so you're really hinging on that yeah i'm getting all i'm getting all tonight from him we're getting all all right i like this bet i think it's a good pick good entry i like it thank you all right guys we're back on friday

we're gonna do a little different we're gonna have a guest matt's gonna text me the picks so we're gonna do a little bit different than usual but we're gonna make it work without matt i'm still holding on hope he's gonna be on on friday i've been trying to tell him gabe that he doesn't have much to do something to do as a newborn father he isn't he has an hour for me on friday for the podcast no i would argue that it's the only thing you have the first few weeks assuming you know let's let's make sure everything goes okay for him and his wife and a newborn but if uh if you're lucky enough to uh have a little support around you some family or friends who can help you out a wife who's feeling okay a child who's healthy if all those line up, you've got all the time in the world to sit around talking about football picks.

But the guy's not working, so give him a break. You have to bring in a sub. We'll be fine. We'll make it work. Good luck, Matt and Ivy, tonight. We'll be back on Friday, everyone. Take care.