Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Monday Night's Doubleheader and Bill O'Brien's Hasty Release

Episode Date: October 6, 2020

We got treated to a doubleheader Monday Night for all the wrong reasons, the Browns actually looked legit this week, the Cowboys are in real trouble, and a couple of Belichick disciples need to be shown the exit. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It's Tuesday, October 6th, and the show must go on. We got treated to a Monday night football doubleheader. The Browns look legit, and the Cowboys should quit, and the first coach is fired in the National Football League. Hi, welcome in. Josh Schwartz is tomorrow. This is me, Josh Schwartz. We're starting out again, a little solo bit,

then we'll get to Gabe Goodwin just a little bit later. Appreciate you guys waking up with me on a Tuesday morning. Chiefs beat the Patriots 26-10 in a very odd game. Falcons and Packers are playing right now. And we had a week unlike any other in NFL history. Two games postponed because of COVID. We'll get into all of that in just a second, what the NFL is doing to handle future COVID outbreaks. And really just ended up with one so far, knock on wood, with the Tennessee Titans having multiple players and coaches test positive. Let's first start with

the Chiefs and Patriots. Look, Patriots played the most unpatriotic game of all time. Dropped multiple interceptions, had bad penalties. Brian Hoyer was lost. Just terrible bonehead mistakes. Getting a sack before the end of the first half. Fumbling. Jared Siddham came in. He didn't look terribly better, quite honestly. But the Patriots have the formula to stop the Chiefs.

And this is the formula that's always been to stop the Chiefs, which is get pressure with three or four, play zone behind it, but kind of switch up what zone you're playing. It's why I think the Steelers are the only team in the AFC that can match offensively and defensively what the Chiefs need to do. But tonight was more, in my opinion, about the Chiefs and that we've seen a pattern now where week one, they got up to play the Texans, right?

First game of the year, we're going to get up. Chargers, eh, right? Eh, first half, kind of half asleep. Last week, Baltimore, huge minor football game. Looked fantastic. Tonight, they came out flat again. And this is, it's predictable a little bit, right? They're so good that the Chiefs can come out slow in any game and come back and win that

game just because of Pat Mahomes and the offense just has so many different weapons get going but the problem is is there's gonna be a time this year and I hope it's not a playoff game where they're not gonna be able to afford to start slow right it seems like come out and score 14 17 points 21 points right I know they've come back in the past from that, but they're going to run into that one team that can keep scoring and scoring and scoring. I don't know what team that's going to be, but it would worry me. It's the only worry I have as a Chiefs fan because really no one's stopping them. No one's stopping the AFC.

They're playing the Raiders next week. No one's stopping them. They're playing the Bills on Thursday after. It's going to be a tough task, right, to go Monday, Sunday, Thursday for the Chiefs, who have a veteran team in some positions. That's all I worry about the Chiefs. It's a very simple worry. It's not a bad worry to have your Chiefs fans. Like, are they going to be a little bit complacent today and still win the game by 16? Are they, you know, going to be complacent and still beat the Chargers on the road in overtime? Like, that's the worst fear you have as a Chiefs fan right now.

So that's, it's very simple for the Chiefs. The Patriots, obviously, Cam Newton. It's hilarious that even there was talk at all, at all, about Jared Stidham and Brian Hoyer beating out Cam Newton, right? We saw tonight how valuable Cam Newton is to that offense. The mistakes, like I mentioned earlier, were wild. I just didn't see this happening in the way they happened.

I thought they would not play as well, just generally speaking, because they flew day of the game. Day of the game, which is pretty remarkable. That, I think, only been done a couple of times in NFL history. But they got through tonight, and they had a chance to legitimately win that game. The refs got them on that terrible

forward progress on Mahomes. He fumbled the ball, right? That changes the game. Well, I know no one's crying for the Patriots getting screwed, but they did, and it's okay. It happens, right? You make your own breaks. The Chiefs have made their own breaks over the last couple years. But the story out of this game, the story from this weekend, is going to be COVID.

Tennessee Titans had an outbreak, massive outbreak on their team. Yesterday, in fact, was the first day no one had tested positive in about a week. Multiple players, multiple coaches testing positive. Titans facilities shut down their game rescheduled from Sunday to week seven against the Steelers. And now, hopefully get back in their facility tomorrow on Wednesday to go in and play the Bills on Sunday. We saw Cam Noon test positive. The Patriots have to take two separate

points to Kansas City. That game obviously delayed a single day to play tonight on Monday night. It was nice to have two games, but you know, we're seeing some positives start to step up in the NFL. Jordan Tiamalu, the Chiefs practice squad quarterback, also tested positive. Now look, a couple of things here. One is that we knew players were going to test positive, right? It was foolish to believe they weren't, okay? But I think we also believed the Tennessee Titans situation

was not going to happen in an NFL facility where they put strict protocols in place to make sure this did not happen. Social distancing, wearing masks, right? Daily testing, tracking devices. All these things were put in place so the NFL did not have a massive outbreak like they had in Tennessee. And they're investigating why that happened. We don't know yet.

It'll come out probably soon about why there was a massive spread in Tennessee. Good news, obviously, is it did not spread to the Vikings as they played two Sundays ago. That's very good news. So to help maybe shine a better light on this, Goodell, the NFL League office, had a call today with everyone and said, look, we're going to stringent fines and we

possibly going to forfeit games if we cannot follow these rules. They also changed the rules about even in the facility. All virtual meetings now, right? They're doing everything they can to get the season going. The NFL, of course, has an option to add a Week 18 game, right? If they didn't play this Patriots-Chiefs game, they would have had to add a Week 18 to get the season going. The NFL, of course, has an option to add a Week 18 game, right?

If they didn't play this Patriots-Chiefs game, they would have had to add a Week 18 to get this game in. It's very easy to do that. They can do that. They know that's an option. They'd rather not. They'd rather the players do what they have to do to stay healthy. But it comes down to following the protocols that are set in place.

And I'm all for fining and forfeiting games if that's what it takes this year. This year is not normal. It's an odd season. It's a weird season. It's an awkward season. We're playing in a pandemic. So things are not going to be what they used to be, right? Forfeiting a game because you're out 10 players is not something that would ever be done in the past, right?

But if you're out 10 players because you were at a bar, into a restaurant, a movie theater, a place explicitly told you cannot go be at, and you bring that back in the facility to get someone sick, that's going to be on you. That's why they like the forfeit idea. I know it's not terribly fair and it ruins competitive imbalance, but again, this year's not fair.

But can you imagine being the player that cost your team a forfeit because you were selfish off the field? You would never live that down if you were that player, especially if you were on a contending team and that one game made a difference between making the playoffs or not making the playoffs. You would never live that down if you're a player. Your team would never forget that you were the one who caused them to forfeit.

And even so, there's going to be positive tests. But the protocols put in place, the distancing, the PPE, the wearing masks, everything put in virtual meetings, all that's put in place to make sure we don't have large viral outbreaks. We've seen so far we haven't, right? The Falcons had a guy, Chiefs had a guy, Patriots had a guy. We have not seen a wide outbreak outside of the Tennessee Titans. So I like what the NFL is doing.

They're attacking this full speed, head on, and they're understanding it. Look, this has got to be done, right? The players also, and I will say the coaches and front office staff, have to take their own personal responsibility to make sure the season gets off, right? They have to do their part and stay out of places where you can get yourself sick. Your family, unfortunately, takes a big burden in this as well, right? Because you can get past, your wife can pass on to your partner, your brother, your sister, your mom, your dad.

So it's a burden to put on the families to make sure they can, you know, stay healthy. And maybe they're not living their normal life. Maybe that, you know, your family is at home all day. They want to do things that they normally do and they just can't do them this year. Are they willing to make that sacrifice for you? So far they have. It's a good job that everyone's done. But the question we get now is NFL bubble, right?

Is what can be done to bubble the NFL? Can you go to a hotel the entire season and just play on Sundays and travel on Saturdays? Yes, you can. The NFLPA has said they're not interested in doing that. That's why I'm glad they're still doing all the data testing and whatnot. The reason why it's hard to do it, it's unlike the NBA, 35 people per team.

If you made the playoffs, or sorry, let's didn't, you were there, you know, there were the, like the quarantine period, the training camp period, and then eight, eight days, basically, or 10 days or 12 days out quickly, right? Month and a half. Sure. Fine. If you're in the playoffs, you're fighting for an NBA finals. Like that's great, right?

You are okay with not seeing your family to play for an NBA title what if you're the Jets you're 0-4 now and they tell you hey you go to a hotel and quarantine and not see your family and not see your friends for the rest of the season okay it's October 6th the rest of the season you cannot see your family and friends how many players are going to sign up for that? I know they're getting paid. It's obviously part of the business. You're going to get money. How many players say, look, I'm not doing this.

I'm not seeing my family. I'm not going to be miserable on a shitty team and not be able to see my family. I'm not sure families. My wife has always said, Hey, I go for it. Sure. I do it you know I've asked her if we're playing like would you would you let me basically go away for four or five months never see me not help with the kids not see my kids it's like yes you're making millions of dollars yeah I would do that well if you're not making millions of dollars also for me like I couldn't

imagine not seeing my kid for four months so So the bubble might happen in the playoffs. Might happen at some point. But I do not see a playoff happening at all. Excuse me, a bubble. Excuse me, a bubble happening at all. Anytime soon in the NFL. Because right now, like I keep saying, they are letting it ride.

And it's working. Remember the freakout we had for baseball, Marlins, Cardinals. I get doubleheaders reschedule stuff. And they're in the playoffs now. They're in the divisional series. And the NFL is rolling right along with a postponed game. The Chiefs playing tonight to make up a game against the Patriots. They couldn't play Sunday.

We're continuing to go. So credit again to everyone but the Titans who are doing their job. I like the NFL being strong and forceful about the need to reiterate protocols and social distancing. Love it. Love it. I'm all for it. All right, guys.

Let's get to Gabe now. Boom. And there it is. Wireless on the most reliable network nationwide. That's cool. But with my wireless, I get unlimited for just 30 bucks. Impressive. But does yours have 5G included? Of course. And my wireless saves me 400 bucks a year.

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topic, but the Browns, buddy. The Browns are three and one after beating the Cowboys Baker looked sharp OBJ is a world beater because that's what he is when he wants to be uh they ran for over 300 yards Stefanski Baker Landry OBJ Bill Callahan coaching that o-line they all look good it's clicking I'm gonna say it the Browns look legit and even with Nick Chubb banged up i believe in them i'm not talking legit eight nine wins i'm talking legit 10 11 wins you always ask what's legit that kind of legit tell me i'm wrong so to be fair i thought the browns would suck last year i don't think they would suck this year much better but it goes to show you game it goes to show you first and foremost we'll get to cowboys second they cowboys absolutely and atrociously stink they're horrible but for the Browns but for the Browns this goes to show you

and we're seeing this around the NFL as well what a what a competent play caller can do for your offense okay Baker Mayfield is an average quarterback in the NFL I think his ceiling is like maybe a good Alex Smith like at the best right Like a guy that can get you in the playoffs and that's like about it. Okay. No, am I wrong on that? Well, I feel like his ceiling has to be a little higher than that. I mean, I don't think, I just don't think it is. I don't think it is.

Okay. But nonetheless, Stefanski is scheming up an offense for him. Same as Brian Dable is doing for Josh Allen. Same as Arthur Smith is doing for Ryan Tannehill, right? They're scheming up offenses that work for what the quarterback does really well. Play action pass and running the football, quick passes, right?

Things take advantage of their skill sets. And so we're seeing that in Cleveland, right? The roster has been talented for a couple of years now. We haven't seen a coach that gets the most out of that team. You added the addition, you mentioned Bill Cowan, their offensive line coach. He is a fantastic offensive line. Everywhere he goes, everywhere he goes, Gabe, the offensive line plays well.

The Jets, the Cowboys, wherever he was at, the offensive line plays well. You add in Jack Conklin and Teller at right guard, Judger Gwills at left tackle. The offensive line is balling right now. 307 yards rushing yesterday. They're doing a great job. The defense, by the way, entering yesterday, I have not looked at the updated rankings,

but they were sixth in pass rush win rate, which they won a lot yesterday. Miles Garrett faced a backup right tackle. And they're 12th in coverage. And again, I don't think they have a lot of yards at the end, but they played a pretty good game. But I think the story of this game is dallas cowboys game who are allowing 36 and a half points per game right now who very well

should be four and oh to me four no oh and four should be very well oh and four and is that the wrong take to say i just i still don't know about d dak prescott right like yes he's putting up a bunch of yards but where is this like when they're the game is competitive right it gets 38 14 and then all of a sudden the offense gets who now it's not all his fault right strip sack's not his fault running backs fumbling's not his fault i get all that but i just there's something about these numbers this year he's on pace for like 6 000000 yards. It's ridiculous, right? I think he's got almost 700 yards through four games. It's all great.

But still, I feel a little uneasy about Dak Prescott because why are they getting their asses kicked for three quarters multiple weeks in a row now? Yeah, and all those stats he's putting up are to throw their way back into the game that they have no business being in so i i can't believe i'm gonna do this but i'm gonna quote booger mcfarland earnestly i thought he had a great tweet he said dac threw for 500 and they were never in the game that's why stats are for losers i don't know how you feel about that but

i had that in accord with me old uh yeah uh, Booger, that was funny because the stat geeks went right after him right away. But look, I mean, look, he does have a point, right? I mean, that is, normally when we see a lot of yards in quarterbacks at the end of games, we say those quarterbacks are not very good, right? Like Blake Bortles. For so many years, right, Blake Bortles was a fantasy football extraordinaire right he got behind every game ryan tannehill does this all the time right gets down in games throws a bunch of yards and comes back and makes the game close but what about like i would rather have a quarterback throw for 100 less yards but score a

bunch of points early in the game like i don't know where the line is between hey and i think that's a good quarterback i'm not disparaging him that much i am but not as much as people think but like there's this fine line game though where it's it's it's like well okay good you threw for 500 yards but where is this offensive explosion to start games and that goes to poor coaching but they are really poorly coached coach Fumbles, penalties. How about the exchange at the end of the game where they block a kick

and the Browns score two points on the play on the PAT because they fumbled the ball after trying to... It's just... It's so Cowboys. So they'll have 49 points to the Cleveland Browns

who, by the way, had not scored 30 points in like three straight games since the 1960s, since they were in Indianapolis. Like it, it just, excuse me, since they were in Baltimore. It's just, I don't, it's not good, man. Like it's not good. Okay. All right. So the Cowboys do seem like they suck because their division is terrible. We're going to have to talk about them all season long because seven wins might do it if you get a tie in there maybe you get enough but let's let's go back to the Browns for a minute here because I know that the Cowboys are the sexier team but the Browns

maybe really are a thing like they started with a pretty easy schedule and now beating the Cowboys would be their big win but we don't know what the Cowboys are so like is this offensive line really as good as it seems because they you know remember they lose nick chubb in the middle of this game and they still keep pounding the rock cream hunt still look like a pro bowler they had some other young guys running it i mean they they do run on first down they don't ask as much of baker as it seemed like they used to could they really just keep pounding people for a few weeks? Yes.

And I think, look, Kareem Hunt, would you say he's the fifth best running back in the NFL? I mean, like, by the way, I want to say something really quick, Gabe. Talk about running backs. The Panthers have won two straight games, led by Christian McCaffrey. Incredible job they've done.

Congratulations, Panthers. Two straight wins, 440 yards of offense this week. I mean, you couldn't believe it, right? Look at the Cowboys. Ezekiel Elliott, man, getting the most out of that money. Ryan Tannehill, the Texans, right? Derek Henry just rolling over people. Just left and right. Le'Veon Bell is playing every week, doing a great job helping that team win.

So, dude, running back stock is through the roof right now. Jeff, you know, you're skipping ahead. I've now gotten to know you well enough that when we get to over-under and I read you the question that you have not seen yet, you're going to chuckle because you just gave the answer that I was predicting. So we'll come back to that.

That's a good tease for the moving the line segment. I purposely don't look at those, so I don't have takes. You don't need to prepare a take for that. I look at the first two topics or three topics like we always do, and I'm ready to go, but I don't look at over-unders for that exact reason. Well, what you just said is going to come up again. You mentioned Bill Callahan.

I mentioned Bill Callahan. The only reason his name means anything to me is because the only good years I've ever had as a Jets fan, I mean in recent decades, have been when he was offensive line coach and Rex got all the credit and it was Sanchez and it was you know that defense but truthfully they beat the shit out of people up front they had three pro bowlers at a time on that offensive line and it was all because of Bill Callahan it really was we can see that now Damien Woody tweeted out he said Bill Callahan's the best offensive line coach he's played with and he was also in Dallas by the way that early Dallas run uh when Zach Martin got

there and Teron Smith and Travis Frederick as a young player that young offense that young group Doug Free at right tackle like that was you know the Romo's last couple years big dog offensive line coached by him he's he's a money like when the Browns hired him it was the sign that they're for real they really want to be good in offense well it's also a great segue for us because that's a guy who it seems is meant to be a behind the scenes kind of guy he's meant to be a position coach or maybe a coordinator and he he's a part of some good organizations when he's in that role he has not been a great head coach I mean he had a good run with the Raiders but that's not what he's in that role. He has not been a great head coach. I mean, he had a good run with the Raiders, but that's not what he's meant to be, which is a lesson that people should have learned

working under Bill Belichick. So I'm going to transition us here. Bill O'Brien out as coach, play caller, GM, whatever other jobs he gave himself during that 0-4 start. Look, we know he's ruined the Texans by trading away all their talent, including next year's first and second rounders.

We don't need to talk about who's filling the vacancy. I'm going to give you a take. Bill Belichick's coaching tree stinks, at least the recent one. Matt Patricia is now the most fireable guy in the league after O'Brien lost his job. Lions are 1-3. They blew a 14-point lead this weekend. They're just terrible. I don't quite get it. Bill Belichick's maybe the best coach of my lifetime, but every guy who ever worked under him

becomes a dumpster fire when he gets his own gig. What's the deal? So Bill O'Brien getting fired on the same day he basically promotes himself to offensive coordinator, to play caller was just classic. But this is out of nowhere, right? 0-4 start. You know, he was the most stable, I think,

of the bad coaches that had started off bad. Dan Quinn and Matt Patricia and Adam Gase and even Mike Zimmer a little bit. And he's out. 0-4, gone, gets the boot. Romeo Cornell will take over. Another Patriots guy who's failed as a head coach. Charlie Weiss went off and Notre Dame

not very good Josh McDaniels up and down in Denver which by the way seems like he might be the favorite for this job I would hire Eric Biennemi if I were the the the the Texans we'll get into that that in a second about why that's important look the the guys that try to be Belichick and Joe Judge by the way seems to be this way with the Giants right they try to be Bill Belichick and Joe Judge, by the way, seems to be this way with the Giants, right? They try to be Bill Belichick. They try to have this hard demeanor. They try to outsmart everyone. They try to be tough and like take this tough approach and like just be these Bill Belichick robots.

That doesn't work. There's only one Bill Belichick and that's Bill Belichick himself. And you have to be yourself as a coach. You have to let your personality shine. Andy Reid, coach of the Chiefs, obviously, who has an amazing, amazing coaching tree, right? We know, obviously, Doug Pearson won a Super Bowl. Jim Harbaugh, John Harbaugh has won a Super Bowl.

Warren Rivera has been in a Super Bowl. Sean McDermott has his team rolling in Buffalo right now. And I'm sure there's more guys on that list. Eric Bien-Ami will be a head coach one day as well. Frank Reich, coach of the Super Bowl. Sean McDermott has his team rolling in Buffalo right now. And I'm sure there's more guys that are on that list. Eric Bien-Ami will be a head coach one day as well. Frank Reich, coach of the Colts. These are all like Andy Reid tree guys, okay? And the reason why, and this is what Andy Reid says before games to the players. Not every time, but a lot of times if I recall when I was on the team,

this is like seven years ago now. I heard him say this in team meetings. Let your personality show in the field. Let your personality shine. That's what he does with his coaches, right? Yes, you're under his coaching tree. You're teaching the game like Andy Reid wants you to teach, but he lets you put your own personality

on your coaching style. He lets you put your own personality on film, on the field. That's why when coaches that leave Andy Reid's coaching tree go somewhere else, they do really well because they're themselves. They're their personality. Too many times you see guys like Matt Patricia

doing something, you're like, yo, Belichick would do that. I practice in the snow, even though I'm playing in the Dome this week. Oh, Bill Belichick would do it. I'm going to do it too. You know, Joe Judge, like implementing running in practice. Well, Belichick did it one time.

I'm going to do it too. Guys, be yourself, right? You don't have to be, Belichick did it one time. I'm going to do it too. Guys, be yourself, right? You don't have to be Bill Belichick. He is unique to himself. It's worked for him. It's worked for him and Tom Brady. Last I checked, Patricia does not have Tom Brady. Joe Judge does not have Tom Brady, right?

Bill O'Brien has something close. Sean Watson. And he's ruined his career now. And we'll see who takes over there eventually. So I think that's the big difference, right? Andy Reid says, let your personality shine. Be yourself, right? Bill Belichick guys are not themselves.

They have to fit into a culture in New England to be part of that culture. And it does not translate well to other teams, other places where you're not Bill Belichick. Yeah. I mean, you know, if the whole system is everyone's replaceable I don't know why each of these coaches don't realize that oh yeah wait a minute I was also replaceable and I don't really know why so many owners keep giving them shots but you know I guess a few guys here and there do succeed and so the legend continues so you mentioned Eric Biennemi and obviously you have affection for for Andy Reid so would you want this job if you're Eric Biennemi and obviously you have affection for for Andy Reid so would you want this job if

you're Eric Biennium and you got a good situation you can probably take your pick this offseason would you in any way want a Texans job I don't know if everyone says this right would you want this sort of job I don't know if you have the opportunity to turn down jobs if you're a first time head coach like I mean I get it if you are it's your second job or you know mike mccarthy this year he could have turned down a bunch of options but the cowboys come calling you become a cowboys head coach right if if the texans are the only team to offer eric biennium a head coaching shot a spot which is probably not going to be true there might be a couple um would i take this job it depends on on how much rain i get with the roster obviously deshaun watson is there for many more years. That's very important.

But this roster has to be rebuilt. You don't have first-round draft picks to do it. So it's going to take some time to build this team back up. They must need an offensive coach, obviously, to help with, in my opinion, Deshaun Watson's kind of improvement, right, continued improvement. So, yes, I would take the job because Deshaun Watson's there. It's by far going to have the best quarterback situation, unless you think the Jets and Trevor Lawrence is a great situation.

Unless you think Cousins in Minnesota, if Zimmer gets canned, is a good situation. Mike McCarthy maybe after one year gets the boot in Dallas. I'm trying to think of who else. Who's in the coaching hot seat besides those four or five guys? There's not many, right? Well, I guess we could throw Atlanta in there and then you get a pretty good quarterback,

but I don't know how many more years he's got. The Jets is where my head was going for Biennium because I mean, I know we're talking about the Texans and the Belichick coaching tree, but if you want a team that's going to have some money, a team where you can pick your quarterback, maybe number one overall, a team that can't get any worse,

so anything you do is going to make you look pretty good for a year or two. That seems like a pretty – and in a big market where you can make yourself a superstar, even if you only have a few good years, we've seen New York coaches end up on TV after that. That's right, yeah. And with the Jets, there is a case you can make. Your boy Colin Coward said this, and I don't know if I agree with this,

but you can make a case where you trade the number one overall pick, you keep Sam Darnold, and you get a zillion more draft picks. And you have two first-round draft picks like every year for the next three years. They already have some in the Jamal Adams trade. They have plenty of first-round draft picks for the next couple of years. You trade that number one pick if you think Sam Darnold's your guy, which would be a tough sell in my opinion. I think the new coach is going to want to draft Trevor Lawrence. But maybe you decide Sam Darnold's your guy, which would be a tough sell in my opinion. I think the new coach is going to want to draft Trevor Lawrence,

but maybe you decide Sam Darnold has something in the tank and you want to ride with that, and you can get yourself multiple players to put around Sam Darnold if you end up training out of that pick. So there's plenty of options there if you become the Jets coach, but the perpetual losing there might turn me off if I'm a head coach. But I think that to the point that I'm trying to make is that, you know, how often is one coach desired by multiple teams?

Not often, right? Like normally it's one or two, maybe two at the most. So if Houston comes calling first, Eric Bien-Ami, you make that trip down to Houston, you meet with Cal McNair, and if he says, do you want this job? You say, yes, sir, I want this job, right? Like I'm taking this job. Yes, I'm the new head coach of the Texans. I don't do you want this job? You say, yes, sir, I want this job, right? Like, I'm taking this job. Yes, I'm the new head coach of the Texans.

I don't think you can say, ah, you know what, sir, I'm going to, I don't know. I don't know. We'll see what happens. Like, the answer is yes, right? It's a head coaching job in national football. There's 32 of them, and EB has waited a long time for this gig. So, you know, there's other coaches. You know, Brian Dable is going to become a head coach pretty soon.

The Bills OC. Arthur Smith is going to become a head coach pretty soon the bills oc arthur smith is going to become a head coach the the texans oc byron lefwich is going to be a head coach very soon as well tampa's offensive coordinator um so robert sala the niners defense there's plenty of coaches that are about to be head coaches uh but eric bnm feels like that he's waited the longest man it's his time to be a head coach yeah and i mean pairing him with the sean makes good sense to me so uh you talked me into it i'll just have to wait another few years for good coach quarterback combo in uh in new york um is there any chance that any of the current belichick guys sort of break this streak because i'm not just pooping on a team you know i don't love like it just it seems like those guys don't know how to coach when they're not doing it under bill is there anyone who's going to pop out of that

organization and become a super bowl winning coach i don't know i mean i guess josh mcdaniels i mean he had his chance he couldn't even do it with my guy tebow how's he going to do with somebody of a lesser caliber all right well we got some news uh breaking just before we hit record so glad to sneak it in should we move the line let's do it buddy you come on the show you got to talk about justin herbert which means it's my job to figure out a way to bring that up so here goes i want to know joe burrow win total over under justin herbert win total this year don't look now but justin herbert is playing better quarterback than is Joe Burrow right now.

Justin Herbert played great against Tampa Bay, and a fantastic defense this weekend. I did not see this coming. I did not. I'm a Herbert stan. I love Justin Herbert. I think he got a bad rap in college. He's proven me right, which I definitely appreciate.

But through three games, he's 10th right now in kind of the advanced. I'm not going to lay it all out, but he's 10th in advanced stats right now. You compile them together. He's 10th. 10th in the NFL. He had a fantastic game. He was great against pressure. He's been great against pressure the entire year because the offensive line sucks in

Los Angeles. But their team, the Chargers team, just doesn't close out games very well. I mean, Herbert has thrown a bad interception every game, which he did. He did last week as well. I think that the Chargers over the long haul this season,

probably win more games than Burrow, just because the Bengals, again, I just are less talented than, than is, I keep wanting to say San Diego, then Los Angeles. I'll say Herbert wins more games because Herbert's playing better right now.

He's playing fantastic, Gabe. He's throwing the hell out of the ball. And I mean, he got Brady'd, you know, he gave him one little opening and Brady did. I hate to admit it. Brady did what Brady does. And he looked awesome yesterday. Yeah.

So, but I mean, everyone was loving him. I think, you know, like Pat McAfee, I think probably tweeted this a little too hastily. He said, all signs are pointing emphatically at herbert being a great football player dude's slinging it in tampa bay and then like not long after that pick they lose the game but so you you right now you really think he's gonna have a better overall rookie year than joe burrow who has looked awesome yeah i think he he sort of already is yeah playing better than him i mean i I guess over the long haul, it depends on if he can cut down. Like, Joe Burrow's not making those mistakes that Burrow has.

I mean, when I say Herbert, no, Burrow's not making the mistakes that Herbert is making. Herbert has one, he threw a bad pick to end the game. Like, he's throwing some bad picks. He's not making those mistakes. But as far as throwing under pressure, moving the offense, doing all those things, dude, Herbert's been fantastic. And he's got better wide receivers to throw to. I know Austin Eckler's hurt right now. But if you look at the advanced stats right now, Herbert is 10th.

I'll just use, you know, where is it? EPA, which is expected points, you know, expected points added, essentially. So it's just simple. I mean, he's six, he's 15th there and Burrow's all the way down. Where's Burrow? Burrow's at 26th. Like they're, they're not, if you, there's not close right now. The other one, if you just composite Herbert's 10th and Burrow in the composite is all the way at 22nd. So it's really not close, man. Herbert's playing great.

Yeah. Well, well I mean I hope as a fake Chargers fan uh I hope that he can actually win some games because they feel like that team that's just sort of like covers and is in it all the time but like ends up with a crap record like I see them draft in sixth next year again um whereas who knows what'll happen with the Bengals all right let's move to another couple teams that get a little bit more talk and are probably playoff teams. But I'm not 100% sure. So I want to ask, Rams wins over under Saints wins. Rams won, Saints won, but neither is looking quite like we thought they were a few weeks ago.

So the Rams had a game that is their, for lack of a better term, their bullshit game. Every good team has a bullshit game, right? You lost a game to the Bills. You come home. You're playing in front of no fans. Your 13-point favorite against a Giants team that you watch film is garbage, right? They're a hot mess. Bad.

You just don't play very hard. You don't play hard. You just want to get out of that game and move on to next week. The Saints, I just think, and obviously they were down 14-0 and came back and won that game. Breeze looked a lot better in kind of after the first quarter in that game. He looked like he could throw the ball more downfield.

I will stick with my original prediction this year and take the Saints to win more games just because I'll stick with that. I think they're probably, the Rams are better than I thought and the Saints are a little bit worse, but I'll still give a tiny bit of stick with that. Cause I think they're, they're probably the Rams are better than I thought. And the saints are a little bit worse, but also give a tiny bit of, of edge for that. Okay.

It's like an 11 win saints team to a 10 win Rams team, something like that. But you, you see them both as playoff teams right now. I think so. Yes. Okay. Well,

let me ask you this. Cause I'd be foolish not to try to trigger you at this point. Jarvis Landry, better quarterback than Taysom Hill? Yes. Jalen Hurts. Wait, you watched Jalen Hurts come in last night? I know.

Fumbled the snap right away. Like, it's like, I think that Taysom Hill must have something on Sean Payton. I don't know what it is yet. I mean, I don't know. Maybe we need a congressional investigation. Yeah, that seems like the top priority for Congress right now when it comes to investigations. I really hope they can get to the bottom of that.

There's nothing else going on that is worth looking into. Let's move along here. Seahawks record against the spread this year. Are they going to be over under 12 and a half wins against the spread? They're off to a perfect start. They don't look like they're going to have any close games, but tougher part of the schedule will come up. 12 and a half, big number.

Here is the problem with gambling right now. Is that these home dogs, Gabe, that used to cover all the time, the ones we could rely on to cover, don't cover anymore. The short home dogs, Gabe, that used to cover all the time, the ones we could rely on to cover, don't cover anymore. The short home dogs, right? The ones like the Dolphins, the Lions, the Bears, the Raiders yesterday. All these short home dogs. For years, no one wanted to bet those short home dogs. But, Gabe, Miami Plus six this weekend was the classic

bet where everyone's on seattle the dolphins keep it close and they cover and all the wise guys make money betting dolphins plus six it's over that's over now it's over now i would say that seattle covers 13 games 14 games like i don't know what to say anymore i would normally tell you no right because they go to arizona and you know arizona's getting seven points go to san francisco and i was getting two and a half they go somewhere like go down to la ram's getting three no longer can we go anywhere with the norms or what it used to be so i would just say for now over screw it over probably the over is going to hit everyone their games too i mean i don't know how it wouldn't but but it's a bunch of people's job to try to change these lines around. And so aren't we going to start seeing Seahawks by two scores and over-unders in the 50s?

Like, aren't they going to figure this out? So this is the thing about, I don't know if Vegas has adjusted. Like, I think they're having a harder time adjusting to that, the idea of a home underdog, than anything else, right? Because, you know, Washington was getting 14 and a half points by kickoff now yes they covered that game because rg3 to do terrible interception that's the way by the way it used to be right these home dogs would cover in the weirdest ways possible um but they know business covering that game that wasn't even close so um i don't know if vegas has adjusted yet to this idea of the road favorite coming in just dominating games well i mean vegas always wins so i'm not going to count on anything yet

but uh right now seahawks do look like a good play okay here's the question you sort of anticipated and jumped the gun on let me just read it out and then you give me your honest reaction times jeff shook his head and said i told you not to overpay running backs while watching Mike Davis and the Panthers win over under three and a half times yesterday. I didn't watch much of that game, but this morning I had a lot of fun tweeting about it. I didn't even see that when I wrote this.

So it was, it was right. Yeah, I tweeted about it. And then I saw a thread. I said here, what I tweeted was, Panthers investment cmc is paying off uh but here's a it's a better here's the thread didn't the thread didn't even hold but basically it was like all these backup running backs are doing amazing right and um because of course they are because the numbers continue to show that that's what happens in the nfl you do

not need to pay these high these high price quarterbacks to win in the nfl yeah i mean i listen i'm a big cmc believer probably my fantasy bias gets in the way i had him on my team i like watching him play he seemed special but i have to admit man as i watched mike davis do some pretty great looking stuff put up he put up 84 yards running five grabs had a touchdown like very good numbers looked from the drives i watched he looked like he could do almost all the same things mcafree could do not everything let's be honest but almost as many things um and the money uh suddenly didn't seem so worth it yeah panthers to know without mcafree now yeah it's not a great look that said the saints were undefeated without

drew breeze last year for a stretch so you know what position is worth it we don't know i mean i i think that running back if you have you have to pay every other position before you pay running back so like the panthers for example could have signed byron jones on who's out from the cowboys with the dolphins but instead pass it's like on Christian McCaffrey when they needed corner. Like that's the part of the piss that if you were a Panthers fan, we'll piss you off. All right. Last one. We'll get away from football for a second.

Go back to something we enjoy. LeBron MVP odds over under Anthony Davis MVP odds. We know where we are in the series. We know what the league and everyone in the media would like, but do you think LeBron will actually be the MVP? So here is my guess is game four. LeBron comes out and dominates like he, like we expect him to do game five.

AD comes back and dominates that game as well. And the voters have to do. Game five, AD comes back and dominates that game as well. And the voters have to decide. I think LeBron will win just because he's LeBron, even though AD might be more valuable in this series because they have no one that can play him, especially if Bam was hurt right now. But LeBron's going to win the MVP,

and he's not going to not win the MVP. But as a Lakers fan, I feel weird about this title. Like, it's just like, okay, they won. But, like, do I feel great about it? Yeah, of course. I mean, this would be LeBron just, like, reinventing a team in two years. Just willing it into a championship.

And what's to make anyone believe that they wouldn't have beat up everyone in an 82-game season? Like, endurance isn't an issue nothing well i just say this i lebron is is 1b for me right i think jordan for everyone my son last night by the way was we're talking about basketball he's like is michael jordan still playing like you're six i know about jordan he goes oh there's this song that we listened to my for my school and jordan's a lyric in the song. And I was like, well, I was like, LeBron's literally playing right now. He's right there. You can watch him play on television.

Jordan will always be one. I don't think there's anyone that can beat that. But LeBron's going to win a title now in three different cities, right? And basically three different times have built an entire team from scratch. And he's also taken his many teams that have been really bad to the nba finals um you cannot hold all those losses against him right the mavericks loss obviously i think you hold against him right that wasn't a good series when he was in miami but otherwise i'm not sure he's been a favorite in any series i think he's lost

outside of that one right the warrior series he wasn't he was never a favorite i don't believe so i mean the first couple of his first year he went there yeah no i i the only couple would have been the first two and i mean you know your point is that he doesn't dump series he doesn't underperform um he he only steps up right yeah i i know it's it's outrageous and i mean think about it you sort of touched on i think we talked about it for a minute last week. But five coaches he's taken to the NBA finals, right? So Kobe and Jordan and Magic even, they all had one coach. Like, he keeps on bringing guys who then can't do anything in the league. I mean, Spoh's obviously done a good job, so he must be a real coach.

But these other guys, like, he's just carrying them to the finals. He's done a fantastic—it's so interesting how we talk about Jordan LeBron. You know, like, we just forget that Jordan, like, lost for seven years in a row in the playoffs before he made his first finals. He was Russell Westbrook for seven years. Yeah, so we got Scottie. I still don't get why people hate LeBron so much. I think it's cool. I think the hatred is getting less and less and less.

But, you know, people hate him for the decision. And I get it. I think looking back on it, he would say, yeah, I probably wouldn't do an hour special. But he raised $3 million doing the hour special. I mean, and he's thinking about this game. How many celebrities, child celebrities, not basketball players, not sports stars, child celebrities that are famous at 15 years old,

just 15 years later, you know, they're on drugs. They're not working anymore. They're in rehab. They're just disaster, right? It happens all the time. LeBron, none of that's ever happened to LeBron. He's been in the spotlight since he's 15 years old. He has never, you know, he's never been in trouble with the law.

He's never had any baby mama drama. Never had any of this stuff. Zero. Zero. Zero of it. And I don't think we appreciate LeBron and everything that he's done throughout his career. The NBA and you who hate LeBron will miss rooting against LeBron when he eventually does retire.

I don't hate LeBron. The people who hate LeBron are- No, you don't, but most- I mean, I don't even, let me just- They're crazy. I will just qualify this because I think the person who's perceived as the biggest LeBron hater in the world

is in fact not a LeBron hater. So Skip is always the guy everyone points to and says, what's with this guy? Skip has always maintained since very early on. I mean, I was working around him from before LeBron ever won a championship that basically that LeBron was not achieving his full potential, that he was capable of even more. And he talks about the clutch gene. He's got all his terms for it.

I think even he is starting to see that he was too harsh. But LeBron has been motivated by doubters skip has been a doubter but his qualification has always been he's the best he could be better um could be better how i well that's where i don't agree with him i don't know how he could be any better he's been perfect but whatever we'll see who wins the next couple of games. You'll be on with Matt in a few days. I'll be back with you in a week, but a fun, fun,

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