Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - NFL Draft Reactions

Episode Date: May 4, 2021

Geoff is joined by Gabe Goodwin to break down all things NFL Draft. They discuss the Niners' surprising choice at QB, the Bears' big move up, Aaron Rodgers hijacking the entire day, and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

it's tuesday may 4th may the 4th be with you i'm jeff schwartz alongside get good when this is jeff schwartz i don't even know what that means game i was just told to say that my producer wrote that in for me to say what is it does that even like is the star wars star trek am i just out of touch with with with reality star wars reference yeah may the fourth may the fourth be with you uh that's a you know that's an internet thing which what is your favorite star wars movie jeff have you seen any of them i saw the original what four five and six right the original ones yeah i don't like calling it that i that's ridiculous to me i'm sorry star wars geeks uh we're not among you the calling the original star wars the fourth

makes no sense so will you call them one two three i don't care i don't call them anything i just i can't i can't do the thing that all star wars fans do where they like map the whole story and know the whole galaxy and universe of characters it's pointless i just how people talk about game of thrones that don't watch game of thrones yeah, because I felt the same way about Game of Thrones. I said for a long time, I was like, I don't like goblins. I'm not going to watch this show. And people are like, it doesn't have goblins. And then you get in and you're like, I have to know nine different families,

like the Targaryens and the – it's ridiculous. Well, luckily for you, you only have to know 32 NFL teams for the draft recap that we're about to do right now um it was a wild weekend of NFL uh starting with Aaron Rodgers on Thursday before the draft ending with obviously seven rounds of the NFL draft and uh Gabe a lot to talk about I'm glad you're here and let's get to it yeah it's much simpler and by the way nick our producer uh is definitely a star wars fan and he's very offended he's very excited in our chat uh we'll get to the logic of the analogy to star wars later let's talk draft like you said so jeff i'm going to give you another quote from a movie you probably don't know it's such a fine

line between clever and stupid uh and the niners walked that line last. So let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say that everything they did leading up to the draft was very clever because they got their guy, Trey Lance, at number three. It seemed very stupid for a long time, but it worked out. So Jeff, here's the take nobody in the Bay Area wants to hear that I'm going to throw at you. Correct me if I'm wrong,

but this dude has only played one real season of FCS football. Correct. Alright. Then he didn't wrong but this dude has only played one real season of fcs football right all right then he didn't play last year except for i think one game it would be a ridiculous comparison to make between him and patrick mahomes as i keep hearing and seeing uh for to think that he's going to become that right away unless you do exactly what the chiefs did with Pat Mahomes and sit him behind a veteran and let him learn for at least a year, right? Well, first of all, thank you, Niners, for not taking Mac Jones. Thank you.

You did the right thing. You took Trey Lance or Justin Fields. Those are the two options. You're right. Justin Fields has way more production in college than does Trey Lance, but you're drafting him off the traits that he possesses. He actually played an under center offense in college, which is what the Niners do a lot of.

And yes, very raw, but the potential is through the roof. Every quarterback in this offense succeeds. It's hard to find one that has failed. Now, to my argument, it's been this for months. Now you take a higher trait guy, right? A higher ceiling guy. You put him in the offense. He should be good.

Now, there's going to be growing pains, right? But when you invest the two future drown draft picks you invest in moving up to three you got to play the kid sooner or later in my opinion like i think trey lance for rookie of the year is a great bet i think it's like plus 800 because even if he plays 13 games or 12 games let's say right in that offense he's gonna put up numbers every the quarterback puts up numbers i would imagine trey lance puts up numbers as well now as he will grow into that role as he continues to play more and more and more but i think jimmy g will be on the roster because who's

training for him now the patriots got their guy yeah but i don't think he plays very much it's easy to say the alex smith pat mahomes thing that was very special right i mean a lot of times teams say we're gonna do that we're gonna do that and then you start out oh and two or you start out one and one or you try out one and three and you put the young guy in or the young guy plays so well in training camp that you're overwhelmed by his talent and you play him sooner so while they might say this the Pat Mahomes Alex Smith thing that's a rarity now right that's rare. I think in a lot of these situations, these guys are playing right now. I mean, I think Justin Fields is playing right now in Chicago.

I think Mac Jones, sooner or later, will play in New England. I think Trey Lance will play sooner or later in San Francisco. So if he sits all year, I don't really reserve judgment on going up and getting him, but obviously they like his upside. But the question I have, Gabe, is this. Is, I do think they wanted Mac Jones when they traded up to three. Here's why. A lot of people speculated on what they wanted, right?

They gave their opinion, people, right? But one guy, Adam Schefter, tweeted it out. He's not an opinion guy. He's like a fact guy. Andfter, tweeted it out. He's not an opinion guy. He's like a fact guy. And if he tweeted it out, that means that someone he trusted told him they were doing that. And he doesn't get those reports wrong. Does that make sense?

Of course. I wouldn't think that he would tweet that out if it wasn't what they were doing. So I am curious if the niners fell into trey lance because they just did more research which would be a bad method right which would be a bad method you you don't want to trade up for someone at the three and not know who you're taking already so i'm gonna i'm gonna counter that idea that's why i was saying this was either clever or stupid i think we have to call it clever because it seems like it worked but i don't i think if schefter put it out there this

do not interpret this as any kind of a slight against schefter who is a very very well sourced thorough good reporter but it's also possible that someone used him or burned him or pick the word you want that adam's an extremely smart person who probably doesn't get played very often but isn't isn't it possible that somebody gave him information that said they want Mac Jones so that he would report it so that the Jets or whomever else around them would think it but it never really was the case like isn't that possible it's definitely possible but the question is why why the smoke screen and the idea is that they didn't want the jets to start thinking about the player they were taking right because that staff is from san francisco right and if you hear kyle

shanahan likes a quarterback even though you like zach wilson you might say hey if he likes that guy what are we missing what are we missing you know let's go back and watch Trey Lance and figure it out. That might be the only reason why I can see the smoke screen, right? Is that they love Trey Lance from the start. They didn't want the Jets to get a whiff on it. You're a Jets fan. Would you have taken Trey Lance or Zach Wilson? I mean, to be honest with you,

I don't really see how either is going to help the Jets anytime soon. But I would rather have Trey Lance for the longterm because I don't think Zach Wilson will be around for the longterm. Yeah. And you mean you really wanted to drop in a soul, which is what I just wanted to keep on beefing up the line and worry about quarterback in the future. But,

but I think let's unpack that for a second because Bill Barnwell did a good job on the ESPN daily podcast this morning, describing our Monday morning, excuse me, describing that that that staff is so overlapping. Right. And there are so many San Francisco guys there because of Coach Sala that that maybe they were worried the Jets were playing some mind games, too, and would steal their guy. So they pretended they wanted Mac and yada yada. But but it's that's too confusing. So let's go back to the thing I really want to talk about with you, which is why you really think they won't be disciplined and you think they'll put in Trey Lance soon and not do what worked for Pat Mahomes.

If everyone wants this guy to become the next Pat Mahomes, why not follow the playbook? Why would they put him in in game four or game six? It's just really hard, I think, when you're trying to win now to not get your young guy playing time like if you don't play him this year you basically wasted a year trent williams contract you wasted one more year nick bosa like you've wasted a lot of player seasons by not playing the guy of the future i mean jimmy's not winning a super bowl do we agree on that i I think I think so.

But but can I push back and just say like you wasted a year but also like this guy's never played against even D1 talent, let alone I mean, because this guy ever been hit by a guy who could possibly play in the NFL. I don't think so. I mean, look, Carson Wentz played his first season in the NFL, too. Like, I mean, you can do it as a young cat. Joe Flacco. I don't know. Did Joe Flacco play his first year in the NFL? He had he had played much longer than than the Detroit Lance, though.

So in college, Wentz and Flacco both got in there pretty quick and started pretty, pretty hot in their careers. So I was going to bring that up. There is some track record of guys making the move from that level of football to the nfl without a lot in between but man like truly i mean you know like do you play against anyone who could hit you like they can hit you in the nfl when you're playing at north dakota state no you don't um but there's also a theory that you just have to get him in there and let him play like what is sitting on the bench going to do for him to get him prepared for this?

Well, I'll throw a theory at you. The guy they have, Jimmy G basically went from backup to starter who could make a Superbowl all because he sat behind Tom Brady. At least that's the legend, right? So is it possible?

Jimmy G could be a good, good mentor. He knows how, he knows how to be taught. Could he teach? Uh, I say this often. It's not the responsibility of the older player to do the teaching. I think Jimmy G will be friendly with him,

but will he go out of his way to mentor him? I don't know. He doesn't have to, right? He doesn't have to go out of his way. That's not his job. If Jimmy G started the starting quarterback for the Niners this year, his job is to win football games, not to mentor his replacement. So I think Jimmy G will be cordial to him and he'll help him out,

but he won't go out of his way to help Trey Lance out. There's no chance, I think. All right, well, then that segues us to the other sexy quarterback name from the first round, or at least the surprise one, and a mentor mentee type situation in Chicago so the Bears moved up spare everyone the details but they moved up when they saw the chance to get Justin Fields they got him so now he's on the roster uh there's only really one take out there which was that he was the best value pick at 11 as a quarterback that's what

everyone smart seems to be saying um but my questions really have to do with how he fits in and how soon we see him and remember you can unpack this for us but like we got foals and dalton and now him do i have that right like there's a lot of quarterbacks going on foals will be gone soon um so yeah i mean look trading up for fields is a huge bonus especially when everyone thought he was the second or third best quarterback in this draft. They got him for huge value here. But there's a couple of interesting things about this.

I'm surprised ownership let them do this because, you know, if Maggie and Pace don't win this year, even with the young quarterback, they're out, right? They're out. So all the future assets that trade away don't help the new coach. don't help the new coach. And we saw that Matt Nagy did not or was not flexible enough in his offense to design it for Trubisky. He didn't put in enough simple things, running the ball,

things like that that helped Trubisky out. Now, you can argue that no matter what they did, it was not going to make Trubisky a good quarterback. So he tried to run his offense best he could. know it's not like Foles played well either right so right Justin Fields comes in with the clear in my opinion shot at number one job right away Dalton's there for a backup deal one year 10 million dollars I think Fields comes in and it's the day one starter I don't think there's any there's no turning back I think you draft them and look two just like the Niners but but a little bit different,

because their coaches are in the hot seat here in the GM. They've got to win now. They have to show Justin Fields is their guy now. They can't wait for a 2-5 start with Donald Putfield, and they have to do it from the beginning. I think he actually plays from day one as a starter. Okay, and how well do you think he will play? Because he's a mystery.

For some reason, he went from arguably the best quarterback around. one as a starter okay and how well do you think he will play because he's a mystery like for some reason he went from arguably the best quarterback around we all just gave up that trevor lawrence was obviously number one everyone just had agreed on that then it seemed for the longest like he was a very close number two like barely a gap there super athletic a winner in college you know proved he could win in different systems, et cetera. Like he had all the measurables and, but for some reason, we just fell out of love with him because other guys were starting to rise and pro days and silly nonsense.

Like, isn't he kind of the most proven of all these quarterbacks? Accepting of course, Lawrence. I think he is. And I think he will play well. You know, everyone, you know, has Matt Nagy as a kind of a quarterback guru, quarterback whisperer. Well, here's your opportunity, right? Here's your guy, the guy you wanted. I think he'll be good. It's hard to find areas where I think he'll be at fault.

And you've got Allen Robinson now, the best quarterback probably that Allen Robinson's played with. So I'm excited to watch it. I think I'm excited to watch it. Look, Nagy has this opportunity now with the guy that he wants. We keep hearing how he's an offensive genius, right? How he's an offensive play caller. How he can get this going.

Well, here's his chance. Here's your chance, buddy. From day one, you have the opportunity to show that you are the guru people thought you get just in the fields a highly talented player and you go make this happen yeah well also you kind of i mean you're gonna have to do something to keep alan robinson and company happy so um all right well let's use him as a as a jump off to a couple more quarterbacks whose names have come up, but you know, because of the moves that the bears made and a few other things that

happened, this means that essentially Mac Jones falls in the lap of the Patriots, which was always going to be everyone's nightmare. You know, of course he ends up there and then everyone, the easy safe take is like, Oh, Mac Jones,

you know, without a shirt on at 20, he looks just like Tom Brady. Or, oh, he was a Saban guy. He'll be a Belichick guy. So, like, everyone just sort of fits him into simple narratives that they understand. But is this guy actually going to, A, play soon in New England and, B, be any good under Belichick? Because I don't really believe that he's great. You know, I'm kind of with you, man.

I think that Tom Brady is the outlier. Tom Brady is so special, it's hard to say Mac Jones will be what they had in Tom Brady. Not even, of course, they don't mean exactly the exact player that he is. But just the idea that you can find yourself another Tom Brady. It seems silly to me. Again, this is a diminished Belichick as a coach. But I just don't see it, man.

I just don't. I don't see it. And what's interesting about what they're going to do is, so your base offense is put in for everyone. It's put in for the ones, twos, threes, fours, fives. It's put in, right? Your base offense is put in for everybody. Now, obviously, New England will have plays in their offense

for Cam Newton to run the football. And they'll have plaques and passes off that. They'll have entire packages for that. So Matt Jones will do none of that. So, if they start the year with Cam Noon as their quarterback, it's kind of hard just to go into a different package and a different offense with Matt Jones. So, I'm actually, this is the one I'm most curious about,

is what do they do at quarterback this season? Because they're different quarterbacks. So if you start with Cam Newton under center, it seems very unlikely that Mac Jones will get an opportunity to play this year unless Cam gets hurt. But if you start the year with Mac Jones at quarterback, that's who your guy is. So I'm actually sort of interested to see how –

they're to me the most – I think Trey Lance and Jimmy G are semi-interchangeable, right? Like, I mean, semi might be a little bit much, but, you know what I mean? Like, you can kind of run the same offense with either or. But, to me, you can't do that with Cam Newton and Mac Jones. So, there's something about Mac Jones, man. I don't know. I just – I get this vibe from him. I don't know. I just... I get this vibe from him.

I don't know what it... Like, it just... Like, the whole frumpy body thing. Like, I don't think that's, like, a cool trait to have. I don't know, like, oh, it looks like Tom Brady. I mean, Tom is... Even in college, I think Tom is just different than Mac Jones. I agree with you.

I'll go a little further. One of my favorite players of recent years coming out of college, because he was such a good talker, not because he was any good as a player, was Greg McIlroy. And I see in Mac Jones, I basically see Greg McIlroy with like four more NFL playmakers on the field with him. You know, like, remember, they were winning back then. This is not that many years ago, but Alabama won championships back then,

despite their quarterback. They had a really smart game manager in Greg and a few other NFL players around him. But they weren't like the full on absurd, obscene college football is broken NFL factory that Alabama is now is now i mean the first round was just a joke and obviously covid played a role in that people want to go with the known but like what was it six seven guys felt like every other pick was an alabama guy and to think that this guy is leaps and bounds better than greg mcelroy was coming out of college seems sort of absurd to me. Yeah, I mean, I'm with you there. Like I, to me, what makes Tom Brady so special

is like the drive, right? It's stuff you hate about Tom Brady, right? It's like that, the 24-7 control freak and just the way he lives his life, everything he dedicates to the game and just the confidence and the bravado. So to say someone, they want to make him like Tom Brady, you have to have it inside of you.

We don't know that about Mac Jones yet. I can't tell you he's going to do it or not do that. But to me, that's what separates Tom Brady, who has a great arm, but not as physically gifted as other quarterbacks. That's what set him apart. Then other guys who don't move as well, right, is the ability to just prepare, play the way he has to, maximize every ounce of his body.

So Mac Jones in this offense, to me, he might do fine, but does he have that extra? Because, look, he's not going to be the most physically gifted quarterback of the mall i think tom brady has a better arm than mac jones uh even come out of college like so does he have that extra to overcome some limitations i don't know yet i really don't and i think the answer is probably no well i mean i say it another way does he have the chip on the shoulder narrative he can create for himself not really he just walked his way through a national championship throwing five touchdowns and no picks surrounded by nfl talent always thought to be a pretty good player he goes in the first round okay he slipped a few picks but he goes in the first round like all the things that turned tom brady from just a great athlete into a machine of winning

for two decades where that it started with the chip on the shoulder you know it started from proving he wasn't like a fourth stringer mac jones is going to be might be a starter week one like maybe tom brady had to win job after job after job and that turned him into who he is so i i don't see it either i really don't it's a really good point about you know the underdog role tom brady obviously still plays that role right i mean he still creates it for himself he knows it will make him better to pretend that people are counting him out right so i i didn't think about that it's a really good good point. It's part of that kind of preparation, right? That motivation, the way he does everything that it's hard to duplicate, to replicate that. So, I mean, look, Belichick has his chance now, right? They've added the pieces in free agency. They've added a piece in the draft. How they have a quarterback now. Let's see if you can do it. They have a quarterback now.

Let's see if he can do it. Well, let's use this as our segue to the last topic, which is just an absurd one and gave us a laugh on Thursday when the Packers came up. But motivating a superstar quarterback in old age to try to keep playing well is a real mind game coaches can play. So Aaron Rodgers is still a Packer as of this recording. Depending on who you follow on Twitter, he was almost a Bronco at one point during the draft.

I think he was also almost retired. He was certainly almost the host of Jeopardy. Now apparently he's just upset with the whole Packers organization, and we don't really know what to expect from the league MVP going into next season. I'm just going to put this out there. Aaron Rodgers is continuing to do his absolute best Brett Favre impersonation as he enters the twilight of his career. There are too many similarities for me to count, but it really comes down to Aaron Rodgers. He just has to decide he's on board or he's not, and nothing's going to change until he makes up his mind. It's not like the Packers can suddenly convince him of whatever he's looking for. He just has to decide it or not. Okay, so let's talk about this because this is so interesting. So it comes out Thursday.

Aaron Rodgers is upset with the Packers. He wants to be traded. It seemed like there was actually no serious trade talks to get him out of there. And then by Friday, it was like, well, we're in the same spot that we were. So he's upset with the Packers for not building the roster around him like he thinks they need to be done, right? He's upset because they didn't give him a contract extension. He's really upset mostly because they drafted Jordan Love, right?

They only drafted Jordan Love. They traded up to draft Jordan Love, and they won't give him a contract extension. It's the same point that Belichick and Brady were at four years ago, right? So you won't give me a long-term deal and you're not giving me help. What the hell, front office? I think Aaron Rodgers has a right to be upset, but I think he just kind of goes about it

in a real sensitive way. Like the day of the draft, this is coming out. You're just going to take all the shine from all these draft picks to get your name out there. Again, there weren't, it weren't any one that seemed like they actually were close to trading about, about him, like close. It didn't seem like still doesn't seem to be that way.

And some of the demands, you know, fire the coach, blah, blah, blah, or fire the general manager. Look what they did this past year in the draft too. And this, this draft, this one, They got better as a team, I think. They dropped a corner in the first round. Guess what? They need a freaking corner. Look at their defense last year. Last year was a screw-up. And look, the Packers aren't

Scott Freedman's either. They put out the report today that they tried to get Justin Jefferson last year and tried to get, who was the other guy? Tried to get someone else, but they couldn't do a Brandon Ayuk. And they just couldn couldn't do it but then you trade up for for jordan love what what what packers so both they're both in a stalemate right now look i think rogers plays next season it might not be till week one but is he really gonna forfeit his signing bonus

get fined and go hosty and just quit over this? Well, I don't know, except that remember how this guy became Aaron Rodgers. He had to sit there quietly putting up with Brett Favre doing almost all the same things. Flirting with retirement, making a big stink, not showing up, messing with his contract, you know, fielding all sorts of, it was, it's all the same stuff and almost exact same points in their career. The only difference is Aaron clearly seems to have more years ahead of him than Brett did when his end in Green Bay eventually came. So I just wonder if he's just repeating the playbook that sort of like onboarded

him to this league. I mean, it's definitely possible that he's doing that, but I just think this is what Rodgers has always kind of done, right? Like he's always gone to the media when he's been upset. Did you know that no Packer has started a quarterback for more than 16 years? Favre, 16 years, and Bart Starr, 16 years, and now Rodgers, 16 years. The issue that he's going to run into is who trades for him well right the nfc

no one nfc they're not going to trade him to nfc it's the it's the broncos you want to be the west coast the broncos i guess the raider raiders you're going to get along with john gruden what if you go to den and they tell you they tell you you're not in charge of personnel? And what if they have to trade like Jerry Judy? I just don't... At what point is it enough for him that they've done enough to get him

what he wants? I understand his gripe two years ago. They trade up to draft Jordan Love. But also, too, on the Packers' side as well,

like, you're in this spot because you drafted Jordan Love. So, if you call his bluff, you have to be ready to play Jordan Love.

Yeah. And you have to play Jordan Love with the idea you can win a championship with him. Because that's why you drafted him. So it's just like a freaking circle. It goes right around of all these different, of why they're in this situation. It's also why they got an MVP performance out of the guy.

Right. Because they lit a fire under his ass by drafting Jordan Love. And also, like, it was talk of, well, they trade him to the Niners this year. They could take the third pick and draft a quarterback. Right. You just drafted

a quarterback last year. Like, you're not going to draft another quarterback? So, the Packers, I don't get the Jordan Love pick. I still have not gotten it. I still don't get it.

I get you want to move on. But this feels a lot like the Patriots and what happened with the Patriots and Tom Brady at the end. Right, except unlike the Patriots, it doesn't seem like Aaron's going to be quite as lucky where he can walk onto a Super Bowl caliber roster, bring a few key pieces with him just through the force of will that is Aaron Rodgers.

He's not going to be able to do what Tom brady did i think he's a better quarterback but he's not gonna be able to move the pieces the way tom brady so perfectly was able to move them to tampa bay so he's just gonna end up if it's denver like okay great now you're now you're a 10 and 6 team coming in second in the afc west having to get beat up by Pat twice a year to lose in an AFC divisional round game? Like, why is that better? That's a good point because, again, I mean, what does he want from Denver?

Now, they have Jerry Judy, they have Fant. Like, they have some talented players. Yeah. But are those players gone in a trade? You know what I mean? Like, are they part of the trade? Like, so that's part of it as well, right right is that they might be gone in the in the trade because the packers it'd be really funny if they trade for jerry judy and gave him to jordan love but

but wouldn't do that for aaron rogers um it's gonna be a stalemate man i again i i don't i don't think it's being resolved anytime soon um and i think when week one comes around aaron rogers will still be the quarterback of the Packers. If they give him new money, this ends all that too. A human extension ends all of it. So why is that even an issue though? Shouldn't they just do that? Because, I mean, he's an even younger guy than Brady, but he's lived his quarterback life the same era.

But I really think they're like the Patriots were at the end. They're just just historically speaking quarterbacks at this age start to drop like flies now rogers hasn't shown hasn't shown that at all no so i understand that if you're a packers fan or you're rogers stan you you are saying hey he hasn't dropped off the cliff. Why would they even do this? But I understand if you're the Packers. You're like, hey, guys, let me 38, man. Like, we have to protect ourselves. We have a good young team. We have talented players.

But, again, I don't think Jordan Love was that good to do that. Fair enough. Isn't it also possible, from my recollection, the Packers didn't make the most of a very good team in a record-setting year from their quarterback because their cornerback situation was a nightmare? From my memory, the cornerback is how they lost in the playoffs. That's how I recall it.

So if they went out and got a guy who we talked about in our mock draft last week as being an exceptional athlete, maybe a guy could really be good quickly. Couldn't they have spun that as, hey, Aaron, you and Devante and the guys on offense, Aaron, you guys are pretty good. We're going to go, the defense is who screwed you. And maybe coach made a couple of calls you didn't love. We'll talk to him about that, but we got you what you need, pal.

Why couldn't they do that? Well, they're probably trying to. I guess. But I don you what you need, pal. Why couldn't they do that? Well, they're probably trying to. I guess. But I don't think you, like, I agree with you. I think they, again, I like the draft pick, right? They need help with corners. They got a corner. Like, I think they did a good job with the draft.

I just, again, don't think Rodgers gives a shit. Like, I think he only cares about what helps him personally and not so much what helps the team out. Because if you're him, you understand that the defense, what held you back last year, that is what you would want to improve. And I think they've done a good job of improving that.

Yeah. Well, all right. Well, we'll get to spend the whole off season talking about this, because I think whether he wants to or not he will feed this media beast all offseason long like this this is already the chosen story you can count on it again like i said now the packers are putting out stuff trying to convince him that they tried hard to get someone a couple years ago. Yeah, it's going to be nonstop, and we will consume all of it. Yeah.

And you know what? I'll tell you what. The first time we'll be able to tell whether or not they think he's back is the schedule release is May 12th. If the Packers get their normal amount of nighttime games, the primetime games, that is telling you that they believe that the Packers will have Aaron Rodgers.

If they get less than usual, like two or three, that's telling you they don't think he'll be back next season. Okay. Well, that's a good little tip. We we're gonna have to keep an eye on that um i think he'll be back and i think he's just gonna hold out all off season and you know he'll just far of his way to next season and they'll make another playoff run and maybe go deep and they'll just lose to the team i want to bring up when we come back from break your chiefss. I guess not your Chiefs anymore. The Chiefs.

We'll do some Chiefs talk, hit a few other draft picks, a bunch of other NFL talk in a second. Let's take a quick break and then move the line. Boom. And there it is. Wireless on the most reliable network nationwide. That's cool. But with my wireless, I get unlimited for just $30.

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Moving the Line? It's our over-under game. It's a bunch of make-believe bets that I throw at you. You tell me which side of this you're on. I want to know chances the draft gave anyone an edge over the Chiefs in the AFC. Over-under, 1% chance it made a difference. No, I think the Chiefs in the AFC. Over under 1% chance it made a difference. No, I think the Chiefs hit a home

run, dude. Think about when they entered the offseason with. They cut my brother. They cut Eric Fisher. Doom and gloom. Dude, they had Orlando Brown, Joe Thune, Creed Humphries, Trey Smith, Kyle Long, Austin what's the other kid's last name? The other center

that they signed. They have their third-round pick, comes back from next season. They didn't play last year. Their third-round pick, a tackle they hope to start. Dude, they have Mike Remmers came back as well. Dude, they are ready to go. LDT comes back from off the year off in Montreal. And we've seen the two ways to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs.

Outscore them, Tom Brady did, and then also their entire offensive line is hurt. So, look, I think there's some deficiencies on the defensive side of the ball, especially pass rush, edge pass rush. But, man, who's beating them, Gabe? I don't have any. I mean, especially after hearing you outline the way that they quickly patched together maybe even improved offensive line but at least

fixed all the problems they had uh i i guess i have to just throw the names at you that maybe people think could contend at least people in vegas would argue so the bills are the easiest one to bring up they were close you know they drafted late they got you know pieces here and there i don't think they're wildly different team next year but maybe josh allen's a little better maybe the bills and the browns you're going to bring up next they both um enter the draft with the idea to stop the chiefs i'll tell you what right the bills drafted two pass rushers in the first two picks one of them gregory rousseau is kind of a, not a project guy, but a high-trade guy, right? Who hasn't really, you know, he had that one-year production. Then they drafted the D.N., I believe, from Wake Forest.

The Browns got two secondary players in the offseason, plus drafted Greg Newsom from Northwestern. They're drafting to stop the Chiefs as well. And so it tells you the influence that these contenders feel on having to slow down the Chiefs' offense. The team, in my opinion, that has a chance is the Cleveland Browns. Dude, they are really good. The problem is, in my opinion with them,

is I just don't trust Baker enough. I feel like he's one of those guys that's kind of a product of the system. If the system is going well, they will win. But if the system doesn't kind of play well enough in a game against the Chiefs, Baker's not going to be able to lead them into a victory. But they are really talented. They're very well coached. They're going to win 9, 10, 11 games next season, probably 10, 11, 12 games next season.

They're the team, I think, that has a chance to beat the Chiefs. OK, that's interesting to hear from you because for the whole time I've known you, you've been pissing off Browns fans by telling them, I hear it. You're fine. You're an okay team, but you aren't legit. I don't have to think about you. I mean, again, I don't know if I think Baker's the guy, but I think that. You've crossed a tipping point into, all right, fine.

Now I'm willing to take them seriously. Well, they're built, they're coached and built very well. I have to take them seriously. Yeah. Okay. So, I mean, Ravens, I mean, who knows? Lamar had this fabulous year. Then he looks kind of normal.

What do we think about that? The thing about the Ravens, and this pisses people off, but, like, I got to see in the postseason. Small sample size. We've seen four postseason games now in three years. In every game, even they beat the Titans, their offense looks so different compared to the regular season. There's a huge drop-off.

So to me, I'll trust them when I see it. Okay. All right. Well, so if we're placing bets, we're still betting money on the Chiefs to go. Oh, Chiefs by far, yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think people will take a lot of flyers on the Bills. And from what you're telling me, maybe some will take flyers on the Chiefs to go. Yeah, okay. Well, I think people will take a lot of flyers on the Bills.

And from what you're telling me, maybe some will take flyers on the Browns. It doesn't seem like there's a whole lot of other competition in the AFC, but injuries and other weird stuff comes up. So who knows what could happen? Let me move to the champs. They drafted Kyle Trask in the second round, quarterback from Florida. Kind of early to take a quarterback when you just sort of committed to more Tom Brady in your life.

So I don't know what they're thinking there. I'll ask it this way. Odds he gets signed as a starting quarterback somewhere else after backing up Brady for the two years you do as like the intern to Brady. 99% chance Kyle Trask's a starter somewhere else before in Tampa. I remember the joke when he was drafted.

I said, I feel bad for Kyle Trask because three years from now, he'll be traded when Tom Brady signs another five-year extension. I mean, it's just, obviously for Trask, I'm sure he's pumped to go play with Tom Brady and go to a winning team, but he ain't going to play ever. Not going to play ever. So why did they use a second rounder? I mean, did they think they could move him late?

What's the point? This clearly wouldn't make Tom Brady happy. I think the point is that they need a viable backup, I'd imagine. Yeah. And the way the roster is made up with and how many guys they have coming back. I love the Joe Tryon pick in the first round. I thought Kyle Trask is the best backup option.

Plus, look, it worked to motivate Tom Brady in New England. It worked to motivate Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, okay. So you're back to that one. I guess, also, it seems to me in looking through history that Tom Brady really does treat these quarterbacks in the quarterback room like interns. And it's like, hey, look, if you give me what i need i need you to

watch tape for me i need like i just need you to be like my assistant then i will i will give you the access you need to look like a ready quarterback one day and that trade has worked for a few guys who maybe or maybe didn't deserve the chance and i 100 think it'll work again yeah well he's got i mean he's got pedigree right like he looked awesome in college second round's not too late to take quarterback like he could he could easily be somebody's quarterback in two years is what we're saying all right um let's move to another another well-known college quarterback who ends up in a funny quarterback room now so uh the saints take notre dame's ian book right great college player they picked him in the

fourth uh they've still got jamis who looks like the starter and your boy tasem hill making how many billions of dollars a year to do god knows what so i want to know odds we see book at quarterback at any point this season over under 25 sean payton's weird look for one player just like as a starter like see, see him for real. Give him some real time. 0%. 0%, okay. Yeah, it's going to be Jameis and a taste of milk package

and Ian Book making us see the field. I just, I don't think so. This is a curious draft choice. I mean, it's a fourth rounder, so it's not like super valuable. It sort of feels like where teams who think they have their quarterback for now take some flyers on maybe we luck into something right but yeah this one was a head scratcher because he was a very good college quarterback but people aren't sure he's the nfl level player um is there any possibility you know uh coach has some sort of weird plan up his sleeve though he seems to like to get creative

now with kyle trask i don't think with book you mean not trask oh with book i mean uh no okay you already have your creative guy because you have take some hill yeah all right well i don't know. I was trying to give them credit. They seem like a good organization. I just don't get this. I mean, again, you need to find backups. So I'm not against drafting a quarterback,

because, again, you have to find backups. This just feels like it's going to do anything for them in the end. Yeah. I want to ask this here, because I it's we haven't done it yet while we talked about cam while we talked about quarterbacks in chicago now while we're talking about quarterbacks in new orleans it seems like there's a few crowded quarterback rooms with more than one guy who could be a starting quarterback in the league whether they should be or not so do you want to just take a minute here and give me any guesses on which quarterbacks still might

move this offseason could we see some shifting do we have a surplus of quarterbacks now it seems like it i don't know no one's moving unless there's injuries in the preseason i mean jimmy g was the one guy but the patriots drafted the guy who's trading for jimmy g now well i don't know but i look at so we'll get to I don't know, but I look at – so we'll get to my Jets in a second, but I look at the Jets who can't love the idea of throwing, you know, Zach Wilson out there week one. I look at a few of these other teams that drafted rookies with high hopes.

Who are they trading for? I'm not sure. I don't know if they're trades or people get cut and then signed, but – I could see veterans maybe being signed at the end. Okay. But I don't think it's going to be like... So we're saying the Saints start the post-Breeze era with Jameis Winston and some Swiss Army knife nonsense from Taysom Hill,

and they hope to win the NFC that way? That's truly their problem? Yeah, I'm under on the Saints, if you didn't already know that. All right, that was pretty clear. All right, let's get to your sweet spot. By the way, great job on the show you put together with Fox, on the live show on Thursday, but also this thing you worked really, really hard on,

featuring all the linemen. So I'll ask you a lineman-related question. I thought it was curious that the two best linemen two of the earliest guys taken were opt outs from the college football season in 2020 and yet people were confident that they could put these 300 pound dudes up against nfl talent right away or they wouldn't use first rounders on them so you know odds that the time away hurts these rookies in sewell and slater over under 50 seems strange not to play football for a year as a guy like that think about this for a year everyone said

the opt-outs would hurt the opt-outs would hurt it would hurt and like seven and a half guys got you know got drafted in the first round who opted out yeah um no but look it's it's fair to say that's going to take a little bit of time for them to get kind of accustomed to the nfl game as far as um you know the speed and the physicality of it and whatnot but i don't think it'll change the trajectory of their careers i mean maybe again maybe they start a little bit slower than they would have but i don't think their careers change at all because they sat out of the season. And why is it that linemen,

why would it be a more comfortable position as a team to pick a guy who hasn't played near at linemen than maybe some of the other sort of quote unquote skill positions? Because those guys are really fucking good. Okay. See, you're getting smarter now, people.

That's why Jeff's smart. I mean, smarter now people that's why jeff's smartest i mean like like that's the reason they're really good all right i mean i i guess and you can't argue with the big body i mean that if you're that big at 20 then you're that part can't lie look they're that good and that's why they get opportunity to uh to sit out a year and get drafted in the top 13 do you think that each of those guys slipped to me i i thought that tool should have gone earlier um i mean i think the bengal should have drafted him but i don't think he slipped because the top three spots were quarterbacks then kyle pitts obviously was a you know generational tight end talent he's the only guy that jumped panay who didn't play.

And then the Bengals would draft him at five, but they didn't. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then they go with an opt-out guy in Chase, right? Yeah, they did an opt-out guy. And then Sewell, Slater, I should say, fell to the Chargers because of the trade-ups that were for Justin Fields. And, you know, the Cowboys traded back, Giants traded back. Chargers got extremely lucky

because now they have their quarterback of the future and their left tackle. Like, that's a pretty lucky. Yeah. Well, I'm a fake Chargers fan, so I'm excited about this year. Okay, since I'm a fake Chargers fan, I'm a sad, real Jets fan,

I'm going to ask this. Odds my Jets draft another quarterback by 2025? Over, under 99% chance. Over? 100% chance, right? There's no way in the world this guy's the quarterback they like in three more drafts yeah i'm with you yeah new gm new coach new new quarterback maybe maybe it could be arch manning god you're just trolling here's the thing i don't understand what is it about the jets i i don't think this is just that i pay a little more attention to them than most why are analysts like mel kuiper always trying to say how good a job they did because blank like

no they didn't they didn't do a good we don't need to try to come up with a way to give them well because i think the reason why is you drafted a quarterback you like, and Vera Tucker was a good draft. Okay, great. But Vera Tucker, you could have gotten also. You didn't have to pick that quarterback. I guess I just don't understand. It's like, oh, look, the Jets, they were built on defense and pounding it with the run.

Those are their best years. But now they're getting quarterbacks every three years and and a third second third round receiver to go with him and then we never hear from either of them ever again like why is that considered smart i mean i think in the moment everyone believes that these guys did a good job but obviously look their opinions matter if you think zach wilson is a good job, but obviously look, their opinions matter. If you think Zach Wilson is a good player, then you're going to grade their draft higher than you would for someone. You didn't think it was any good, right?

Like if you thought Trey Lance was the worst quarterback on the board and they drafted him too, you would give them a, you wouldn't give them a passing grade, but they, they must've liked, they must like Zach Wilson a lot. All right. you wouldn't give them a passing grade but they must have liked they must like Zach Wilson a lot all right but can we agree that the difference between Zach Wilson and Justin Fields

at this point in their lives is unknowable and that if you could have gotten Justin Fields at 11 that's a way and and still get your guard in Vera Tucker with another trade and then still have more picks wouldn't that have been a better scenario yeah but but who's trading up to two though right isn't that a question well i i don't know i guess that's part of that's where we began this show with the confusion at three so i don't know last question on all of this uh our producer nick who is a like me retired from fandom um i am a you know jets fan who can't take it any longer he's a giants fan ready to come back if you can give him some shred of hope so he wants no odds the giants have a better season than my stupid ass jets over under 99 chance of course they will they'll be better

but they still have danny dumps to deal with you see the guy i don't know yeah they got a lot of weapons though right like and uh the running backs back like they got some receivers now like shouldn't they should be they should be for they should be a team that you pick a lot of fantasy players off of nothing else yes but jason garris their oc that's been good for fantasy players in the past yeah but i'm not sure it's great here i think the giants the giants will fight for playoff spot i'll give them that okay all right well you have a whole off season to break down what's going to happen all these teams um anything else from the draft we missed we got a minute or two left you want to fill us in man it was uh it's a fun three days i love the draft and now i feel like i'm like what

do we do now i mean the schedule comes out soon we We do win totals. I guess we just rest. I think we recharge. And then, yeah. We're going to grade. Instead of grading the drafts, we're going to grade the off seasons for every team. So we'll do that the next couple of weeks. We'll get out to you guys. You'll hear my thoughts on every team.

And then we'll do interviews. And we'll get into it. I mean, before you know it, it'll be June and then July. And then we're back at it. Training camp will be here. I like the focus on the big men. I think you're clearly the best in the game at that. So I say we spend a lot of time

talking about linemen, line play, up and coming line guys. Let's make people smarter on that part of the game. And you can find my series on youtube uh on my twitter we have tons more content coming x and o's content um film study because this was supposed to be digital show and end up on fs1 and so they kind of change i think they changed the format a little bit and we have tons of we have like we've done each guy for an hours

for hours on film so we're going to release all the film to you guys. I want some more X and O's out there. But I appreciate it. We had over 1 million views on Twitter, which is pretty incredible. And, yeah, it's rock and roll on YouTube as well. So please, please go check that out. Yeah, it's fun stuff. Good team behind the scenes helping you with that one. You did a great job.

We'll track more of this draft stuff and then shift, like you said, to offseason grades in the next few weeks. So, Jeff, thanks. I got a little smarter today. I think that the smartest thing you told me was that it was really fucking good. So, that's the answer on those lines. Thank you.

That's the way it works. Alright, guys. Have a great one. We'll be back in the next couple of days. Take care, everyone.