Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - NFL Week 12 Reactions

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

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It's Monday, November 27th. I'm Jeff Schwartz and Jeff Schwartz is smarter than you. We're live on Twitter and YouTube and we're on your podcast platform of choice. Thank you for joining us as usual. Our Monday NFL recap. We had a lot of NFL spread over a lot of days. Hope everyone had a fabulous Thanksgiving break. And on Monday, we're brought to you by prize picks. It's a skill based real money daily fancy sports game. Go to prize picks and use code G S S Y for a first deposit match. The $100, you pick two to six players. If it will go more or less than the prize picks projections, you went to 25 times your money on any entry. We making these selections for the minor football game between the bears and Vikings at the end of the show game. It was a Thanksgiving break. My kids are back at school.

Thankfully five days with no school makes them go a little bit nuts um but uh my thanksgiving was good how was yours my friend uh you fine thank you for asking same same challenge here a lot of kids at home a little little dose of covet at the front end of the whole thing so you know not as uh fun and restful as it usually is. But everyone's healthy now and everyone's back at school now. So we're good. Are your kids like Thanksgiving eaters? Do they eat the adult food? Are they still like on? Yeah, nuggets and macaroni?

Now turned out first year, good question. First year that, you know, a lot of the items made, they would eat. Not all. Not all of them. Don't Don't get me wrong. Still some pickiness. But like, a few of those items made they would eat not all of them not all of them don't don't get me wrong still some pickiness but like a few of those things went down good my my son so my wife makes homemade macaroni and cheese it's absolutely delicious yes and yet my son still wants to eat the velveta boxed macaroni and cheese i need to we need to break him of that habit like it's like dude here's some homemade delicious macaroni and cheese your mom made you know i want can you make the box stuff for me i gotta get mad at this game i don't

know what to do you know what jeff some people lack taste and are impatient just like ownership in your little hometown there the carolina panthers said frank reich enough 11 weeks we've seen what we need to see. You are ruining our number one pick, Bryce Young. You are fired. The first major firing of the season is not one I expected. An impatient owner, I guess, in Carolina. What did you make of this firing as of Monday morning?

Look at you. That's a professional tease right there. Professional is not tease. A professional, you're kind of like cut. Segway? Is that the word you're looking for? There we go. Segway.

That's why I'm the one who does radio every day. Segway. Good segue. So, yeah, I mean, look, we joked last night in our text thread that we thought that the first coach fired today would be Brandon Staley, not Frank Wright, even though it did feel like this was coming after the last couple of weeks.

And, look, here's the deal. David Tepper's had the team since May of 2018. May of 2018, Gabe, he'll be on his fourth head coach come this winter. He'll have had three interim coaches because he's fired Ron Rivera. He fired Matt Rule, and now he has fired Frank Reich. And he's finding, obviously obviously life as an owner is not uh the same as life as a hedge fund manager um you know the investments that you make in the hedge fund world and the financial world aren't the same uh that you make in the football world

and not only that he's fired two managers i believe on the mls side for for charlotte cfc um or for cfc and it's he's just not a good owner at the moment. They've done a lot of losing. And the finger's got to be pointed to him, right, because he's the one in charge of hiring these coaches. And, look, the rumors are, the talk is, the sources are that he was the one who pushed to draft Bryce Young. When it feels very obvious that TJ Stroud,

I watched that entire Jags-Texans game because we had money on the Texans. Stroud's really good. Bryce Young is not. Now, the offensive line stinks. There's no weapons. The play calling has been bad. I mean, there's plenty of other reasons why the Panthers aren't very good besides Bryce Young, and they have to fix those things.

And maybe the general manager needs to go as well to get some better players in there. But it's very clear early on that TJ Stroud is much better than Bryce Young. Again, it might even out over time, right, when Bryce Young gets the weapons he needs. But Stroud is really good, and Bryce Young is bad. The Panthers are – they stink, dude. They are a bad football team. And Frank Reich was going to be gone at the end of the season.

They just did it now, I guess, to get over with. But imagine, you know, you're Frank Reich. You come here. You get your life settled. This is the first place you played football, right? No, not the first place. I think it was the last place you played football in the National Football League. You were a Panther starting quarterback,

and you don't even make an entire season before David Tepper fires you. Here's the thing, too, Gabe. Who's taking this job? Now, of course, a first-time coach would take this job in a heartbeat, right? Absolutely. They would take it. But you're not going to get a good coach. What good coach wants to come to the Panthers? You have no first-round coach would take this job in a heartbeat, right? Absolutely, they would take it. But you're not going to get a good coach. What good coach wants to come to the Panthers?

You have no first-round pick next season. You have a roster where it's going to take multiple years to rebuild. You have a quarterback that may or may not be any good. You have an owner that's super impatient, and when things don't go well, you're fired. You're out of there. You get no chance to build things up. Who's taking this job

see when people said jim harbaugh because he has connections yeah no no tomorrow's on thank you he's not leaving michigan for this job um so it's just a bad job an owner that doesn't understand what's needed to win at this level and and kind of maybe keep keep himself out of hiring coaches and being in charge of personnel let let the people you hire do those things and um so again i'm not surprised um that this happened i'm a little bit surprised that it happened so quickly and that honestly brandon staley wasn't fired first brandon staley needs to go immediately yeah i mean i i was stunned that we hadn't heard about a staley firing by the time we we uh went live this morning by the time people listened to this uh on a run or walking the dog later maybe that will have come down let me ask you this if your pot committed to the number one

pick um which presumably the organization is not giving up on bryce young just because he's had a rough start what kind of a coach do you bring in now? Because it seems like this owner is just getting spun by agents, right? Like he got spun on the number one pick. He got spun on two or three coach hires. He might be a little too easily swayed by powerful people. Who do you bring in to give Bryce Young the best possible chance at success? I don't mean a literal name, although I'll take one if you got it.

I mean the kind of coach he needs. Okay. Like Ben Johnson, the Lions offensive coordinator, who I think would be a great fit for that job, but he also might get the Chargers job, right? Like he's going to be the hottest commodity of any offensive mind. I think that's where Harbaugh is going by the way i've been saying it but whatever well san diego los angeles yeah i think that look that that job

i'll tell you this that job when it opens will have many coaches from the nfl ranks and the college ranks just not jim harbaugh they're gonna want that job. A lot of people are going to want that job because of Justin Herbert. So, look, I think that people will say Eric Bien-Ami is a name. I wouldn't wish this on Eric Bien-Ami. I wouldn't wish this job on him. I think he would take it. It's a head coaching job, but it's a terrible spot to be in. You want the best head coaching job you can get.

We know that Ron Rivera, at least reports, won't be back next season. Maybe Eric Bien-Ami is able to interview for the Washington job and keep him there. I would actually, I'm not rooting for Ron Rivera to get fired. I like Ron Rivera, but it would be nice if EB got like four games as a head coach to end the season. You know, just kind of get a little interim, you know, status under your belt and get an opportunity to be a head coach

for a couple weeks before you get a chance maybe next season. Yeah, look, could he just say here man bill belichick here's 20 million dollars come be your head coach next season i mean is that like is david tepper gonna swing for the he's got all the money he needs he didn't need money he can pay whatever he wants game it's not college football i mean there's you're not beholding the boosters and trying to find money you know when dion was hired by Colorado, the athletic director said, yeah, we still have to find the money to pay Deion, right? Like, that's not the situation.

Dave Tepper, he has the money. He can pay whatever he wants. Does he just say, okay, Bill Belichick, here's $20 million. Come be our head coach. And that would be a disaster, by the way, I think. I don't know who it would be. It has to be an offensive guy, in my opinion. A young, bright mind who can work with Bryce Young

and make the best out of what they have. They need better players too. That's the thing. They need to pick better football players. So it feels like a long uphill climb where the Chargers, who should absolutely fire Brandon Staley, not an uphill climb. You have Justin Herbert. And it's absolutely really – it's the perfect job, right?

It's a job that every coach is going to want because of Herbert. He is, you know, I saw the tweet today. I'm going to pull it up, Gabe. It's really explanatory about, and Hank sent this over, Tim Riske on, at PFF underscore Moo, he works for PFF, says if you think about it, Eli Manning was worse at every single on-field trait, but he was a better QB than Justin Herbert

because he refused to play for the Chargers. Like, yeah, yeah, it's that simple, right? The Chargers game last night was within three points with two minutes left, which is every Charger game. First defensive play of the game. Do you remember what happened for the Chargers last night? Of the game? Yeah, the Chargers' first play on defense.

Do you remember what happened? No, I didn't get to tune in until the fourth quarter. Okay. They had 12 men on the field. They had to call timeout. 12 men on the field. Is that a good coach team? 12 men on the field on your first defensive play of the game?

He's fired up, man. He's got them fired up. They're ready to play. Everyone's so excited to play. They're like, they're just a bad coach team. And yeah, the breaks didn't go their way. The first drive that was a late time, Justin Herbert absolutely was. It wasn't called.

I mean, yeah, but Staley is not – this team is not getting better. This team is floundering with the talent they have on the field and you're wasting justin herbert you have to find someone to coach justin herbert one of the cool takes last night also among our uh colleagues here matt ford um the brief uh look at his phone points out uh nothing's ever justin herbert's fault i don't agree with this take but a lot of people were like can we maybe just give him a little bit of blame the turnovers the decisions the failed drives at the end of the game like i i have to admit i love justin herbert but like

yeah kind of defend your boy a little bit he didn't look great well um no he didn't look great at times but the thing that always crunch time specifically the thing that always strikes me is like it's hard to pinpoint like an actual thing that he does poorly in the situations like what like what can i give you one one thing that i noticed yeah yes awareness he seems completely unaware of his blind side why does he keep getting hit and stripped in weird ways when he should be thinking, maybe somebody's about to rip my arm off? Because I think he's just trying to make a play in the pocket and trying to just get the ball downfield

because he knows he's got to make a bunch of plays because no one else is going to do it for him. But, okay, so the other quarterback I pay close attention to in this town doesn't just wait in the pocket he climbs the pocket so to speak or scrambles around and that's infuriating and dangerous at times too but you know should justin herbert every now and then just say this place sucks and just go make a play up and not stay in the pocket where he's getting mauled yeah i mean that's just never been him as a player like i you know like that's just i you know when i watch him

back to oregon it's not what he did as a player i i just look i think that's just never been him as a player. Like, you know, like that's just – when I watch him back to Oregon, it's not what he did as a player. I just – look, I think that there's certainly been to put on Herbert because you're right. At the end of these games, they're not making enough plays. But I also think when you have a coach like Brandon Staley that doesn't prepare his team well each week, you will continually put yourself in this situation. Are you telling me that, like,

Justin Herbert wouldn't be good with a good head coach? No. I think the staley kind of, it just sort of bleeds itself down to the team. Like, this is poor coaching, this is poor preparation, sort of just bleeds itself all the way down to the quarterback, who I think at times just tries to do too much because he knows there's another chance to win.

Yeah. And by the way, the Ravens look pretty good. And, I mean, that was an eye-opener. I think we should spend one second on them. The story was failure by the Chargers, but Ravens have clearly established themselves as the one seed in the AFC. Sure, your Chiefs played a much better game or certainly a much better second half. Pat looked like peak Pat. All of of a sudden he's got some receivers two dudes rishi rice and justin watson look like favorite targets all of a sudden um i'm not convinced about either of them yet but the

take makers out there are what what's your read on the chiefs as opposed to the Ravens? Because the Ravens have the advantage right now. Look, the Chiefs always get the benefit of the doubt because they have proven now over four seasons that they win a bunch of playoff games and make Super Bowls, right? Right. Pat Mahomes has lost three playoff games, right? He lost two games at home in overtime,

one to the Patriots and one to the Bengals, by three points each. And then got killed in that Super Bowl against Tampa Bay when the offensive line was beat up. So we've seen them in the playoffs win a lot of these. Now, they haven't been on the road yet. Maybe this year they have to go to Baltimore, right, and play the Ravens and things change. We've also seen the Ravens in the playoffs. Now, last year

was without Lamar Jackson, but we've seen them in the playoffs just not look quite as good as they were in the regular season. I mean, like, that's what we've, again, Ravens are really good, Chiefs are really good. Go in the postseason, we know what the Chiefs can do. Do we know what the Ravens can do yet, right?

And for a lot of us, that's sort of, I think, where we're at. Ravens are showing all the signs of being for a lot of us, that's sort of, I think, where we're at. Ravens are showing all the signs of being a Super Bowl-caliber football team, but they haven't done the postseason yet. Same, by the way, with other teams, like the Cowboys, who look really good all the time. They haven't done the postseason yet, right? So to me, I still lean on the Chiefs because of Ray Sheerice, by the way,

who I have said for weeks now on this podcast, has to be the guy for Patrick Mahomes. If he catches this podcast, has to be the guy for Patrick Mahomes. If he catches the freaking football, he's the guy for Patrick Mahomes. He dropped one pass, but he looked great otherwise. If that becomes the guy for them, that's enough to win a lot of football games. And so the Chiefs were down 14-0, right? And they won the game 31-17. So I'm not a math major, but with a 31-3, I think that's outscoring the Raiders there.

So Chiefs look good. The Ravens look really good, though. Their defense is good. Lamar's playing well. I like the change in offense. Coordinator obviously paid off for them, and Todd Monkton bringing it in. And it means the race to me.

The one seed does feel like the one seed is down to them two. I don't think the Dolphins, who have lost to the Chiefs, are going to be in that discussion. Jacksonville, obviously, big win this past weekend, but the Chiefs have beat Jacksonville as well, so they're ahead of them. The stunning thing the AFC gave is the Buffalo Bills. They are 6-6 right now. You can blame whoever you want.

I know Josh Allen played well yesterday, but they didn't get it done but the bills are six and six right now they're actually behind the denver broncos in the postseason standings buffalo still has to play the chiefs the cowboys the chargers the patrons the dolphins they're not going to make the playoffs gabe no they're not and they don't deserve to whatever they had whatever magic they had in these wild, you know, close games the last few years, at least regular season games, that that stuff dried up, man. I was watching and I was like, I cannot believe that the Eagles are going to pull this game out and win. And so I'm going to go from the Bills, which I think is a time saver because you're right.

They're not a playoff team, and I don't know what they are moving forward, period. Let's talk about the Eagles side of this. I think people who listen to this show know this. I am a big fan of Skip. I know a lot of people who absorb takes are not necessarily fans of Skip, but even I will have to say I don't agree with skip on this one

let me read you a take i want your reaction not about skip the person but about this idea jeff the dallas cowboys are obviously better than the philadelphia eagles his words four straight games they've trailed at half and been out gained four straight they've lived on the edge without falling off it their luck will run out i view it the complete opposite way which is they somehow have beaten very good teams in very difficult situations what say you so it's not about kind of to me the wins it's how they're winning right they're doing in different ways each week which i think is important right it's not one way to win where i think sometimes teams that look at the eagles and play like them sometimes just sort of win one way but they're doing it

many different ways right last night was obviously an offensive game right the offense had to perform at a high level two weeks ago the defense played well against kansas city right it's different ways they're winning and the common denominator to me is just Jalen Hurts is just a baller, man. He's a good football player. Never rattled. Never too up, too down. Always even keel. And you can see that the importance of building up the roster in the trenches, the importance of adding an A.J. Brown, the importance of drafting.

They draft and develop well in Philadelphia. It all matters. It all plays each week. And this is the important part of why you need to do those things at a high level um they've lost three games in the last two years i want to say like three regular season games last two years um their records no i'm sorry i think i think jalen hurts actually the starter the last two years has lost two games i heard the same stat yesterday and it looks like he was going to take his third L. Yeah, I think he was 14-1 last season, and then obviously this year they're, what, 9 or 10-1. So, I mean, yeah, sure.

But the thing about the Cowboys, and I know Skip's a Cowboys fan, obviously, is that the Cowboys got blown up by the Niners and lost to the Eagles. Like, the Cowboys haven't proven they can win any of these games. They lost to the Eagles. Like, the Eagles beat Kansas City city like now the eagles and niners play this weekend this will be a great test the eagles are coming off of two really sort of physical close football games i mean there could be a little bit of exhaustion from that when

you play a niners team that hasn't had it as tough as you have the last couple of weeks. And the Niners are, by the way, off a longer rest because they played Thursday night. So we'll find out kind of where both teams are at in this game. But the Eagles are very much legit. They're winning in different ways, but they're winning, most importantly, in the offensive-defensive lines with a quarterback who has just no fear, man. He's just a great leader. I didn't think he'd be this good in the offensive defense aligns with the quarterback who has just no fear man like just he's just a great leader right i didn't think he'd be this good in the nfl i think he'd be terrible but i just didn't see him being able to be as accurate and um you know sort of lead a

passing attack like he has in the nfl and he's been great this year i think you know to discount them for the way they've won the last couple of weeks, I think that's wrong. Yeah, well, I think a lot of us media types, when Nick Saban wrote him off in the most clutch spot he'd ever been in, we sort of forgot about him until now, a full Super Bowl run and an amazing start to this season. And we're like, oh, yeah, that guy, he was always great. It's just a perception thing.

So we'll get the real test against the Niners. I don't see him winning that game. Then they have Sunday night football at Dallas. That's a, I guess a test and a test to skip theory. And then the Seahawks who, you know, we wanted to believe or something, they're probably not a thing. Let me ask you this one. Cause I think you're always great at these kinds of details and sorry, cause this is, if you didn't watch the game this is a maybe a hard thing for me to describe but on what set up

the game tying field goal that forced overtime jason kelsey made two sort of boneheaded plays penalties that seemed avoidable and very out of character for him because he's he's such a he's so in command of that offensive line and what's going on but like false start him because he's he's such a he's so in command of that offensive line and what's going on but like false start calls when he's the guy snapping it how does that happen what's going on there oh okay so one of them it looked like he started to sort of move his body back before he snapped the ball which i mean just naturally happened i think he was waiting for a snap count maybe didn't come on the time he thought it would so he was kind of like like out of a stance like i'm falling down um and the other one i think he just waiting for a snap count maybe didn't come on the thought time he thought it would so he was kind of like like out of a stance like i'm falling down um and the other

one i think he just flinched his knee while he was i think he was in both yeah yeah but one of them he like moved his whole body back the other one i think is right knee i think it was before he went to take a knee and talk to jalen hurts i think he just did it too early he realized he might have not you know had to do that spot but yeah i mean he jumped twice and it didn't matter didn't matter at all the eagles just went down the field and made more plays um the touchdown call on the the call i put on my twitter feed at jeff schwartz the the touchdown was was so nice the overtime play the bills were in a bad defense for it it just got get torched yeah yeah my son analyzed it as awesome he he called it a trick play.

I'm not sure that's what it was. Hey, listen, Warren Sharp, good follow, I think, online, wrote this up. He said, let's talk about NFL refs part 362. The Eagles are 4-0 with Sean Hockley as the ref since Nick Sirianni was hired. They're also 4-0 against the spread. This was during the game. So let's see how it's playing out so far, he writes. First half penalty distribution, 10 penalties for 75 yards on the Bills, one penalty for five yards on Eagles.

Obviously, we just noted a couple key penalties called against the Eagles late in the game. But I have to ask, is this the kind of theory that players actually think has merit? That certain officials and certain coaches or teams, there's some sort of favoritism or I don't want to call it collusion or anything like that. But do certain refs just notably give certain teams a little help? NBA guys obviously think that. The conspiracy stuff with this refereeing, man. It's like, it's just exhausting.

So Sean Hockley just is getting paid by someone to- I'm not making that claim. I know you're not, but just these accounts that just, that do this all the time. Look, we know who the refs are before games. We get a report. Okay, they call more holdings. They do this.

They do that. Of course, if the ref screws you out of a play, you think that the refs are before games we get a report okay they call more holdings they do this they do that um of course if the ref screws you out of a play you think that's the you know the rest the ref doesn't like you and i've never felt any time that you know that like the officials were out to get me or get get us and of course there were games where it was lopsided where you'd feel like they might have actually been out to get you but you know in deep in your heart in your mind you know they're not actually pulling for a side or or or you know that i know that yeah other players you're the guy who's smarter than me i want to know like the average nfl player can they set aside their emotion and accept that the guys are not in the tank for them yes okay yeah so your teammates

playing many years in the league you didn't hear a lot of grumbling about specific officials but in the nba you do right that's like a real thing guys believe it's personal uh yes it's also a different type of referee system like in the nba those guys are talking to the referees every freaking play right um we don't do that we talked i talked to the official i think it's always good actually to be on the official side like that i remember a time official told me like you know uh you know i would have called that for a holding but i just didn't basically because i like you i was like basically like ah this hey don't do that next time and but because once i said bullshit with them all game like i might have introduced myself

talked to him beforehand you know like that i think it's important to go to the referees and shake their hands and make nice with them, right? Yeah, I think it does buy you the benefit of the doubt sometimes. But I never felt like anyone was out to get me. And there were times where we MF'd referees. We got yelling matches.

It doesn't matter. It's the heat of the game. I never thought anyone was out to get us. Okay, but that's an interesting point you just made so maybe that maybe because there's interactions between coaching staffs and officials prior to the game right don't you have to review hey we're going to run a play that sort of looks like this would this formation be okay yeah the coaches do yeah yeah so perhaps nick sirianni is very charming or a very just very good at articulating his respect for the officials maybe he's doing something that i don't think just

responds well to i don't think it's yeah but i but i don't think it the disparity is 10 is 10 flags to one right well i mentioned i mentioned i mentioned i mentioned one time that it happened to me where the referee was like, yeah, don't do that. I'm going to call you again for it. One time in eight years. That was mostly because if a penalty is there, they're going to call you for a penalty.

If it's not there, they're not going to call. Again, the officiating look, it's not great right now, but people obsess over it so much. but people obsess over it so much. It just, it's wild to me that people sit there in games and are penalty hawks, right? They look for penalties. They look to find ways that things should change because their eyeballs tell them.

It's wild to me that people sit there with, you know, and take time to watch football and take time to try to find penalties. It's crazy to me. Yeah, well, we got more cameras than ever before, and they can shoot in slow-mo and get into angles we never had, and I think we just were exposed to more stuff. The most controversial calls have three angles on them,

so I think we just have an easier time forming an opinion. Let me ask you this. One team that has always had a complicated relationship with the rules. The Patriots love to see him lose. What a disgusting game that was against the Giants, but they lose to Tommy DeVito. They have a quarterback controversy. I don't know, like two, two bad quarterbacks in New England. apparently bill belichick maybe isn't great at picking quarterbacks uh here's my question to you well a few of them one does belichick come back next year two does anyone let him make decisions about quarterback ever again uh and three should we have like a designated set of veteran quarterbacks who can step in and play when all these no-name third stringers are

the ones who are going i can address any of those the last one first okay you texted me this okay the stupidest one got it who right now is in the veteran group of quarterbacks that are just waiting to be called upon like who are you putting in that group right now like well this is a name i have banned from being spoken on this show many times yeah i don't want to watch carson wentz but even i will admit carson wentz is better than half the quarterbacks that played this weekend certainly jamis winston i would rather watch okay so then all these other guys so jamis like the like the chiefs have blaine gabbert as a backup what about i didn't even know that sure marcus mariota yeah backup okay give me

jamis and mariota that's a championship rematch give it to me the 2015 draft or whatever um uh yeah okay fine um what happens after the three quarterbacks that we just mentioned dry up in the situation you are now just that yeah i don't know do we need do we need to uh here's a real question do we need to rethink salary caps should there be money set aside for backup quarterbacks why the hell am i watching bailey zappy why why is that why is Tim Boyle on an NFL football field? Geez, Tim Boyle was worse than Zach Wilson, too. That was bad. Of course he was.

He wasn't even a good college quarterback. What is he doing out there? It's a little bit of you, like, you still have attached to the Jets, aren't you? You're still watching the Jets. You're still into it. Rodgers might be back in a couple weeks, buddy, it sounds like. Oh, stop. you're still into it rogers might be back in a couple weeks buddy it sounds like oh stop no matter what anyone you ever dated you know you've seen their facebook page since you broke up like

come on of course i'm still jets curious at jts jets jets how do you feel about sala with the the coloring of the beard i feel like i feel it's going to you know the dark black beard sometimes he cuts it off back and forth i don't know generally my biggest issue with this younger crop of uh sort of the mcveigh era yeah i'll call it a little too much beard grooming going on among these guys a little too worried about their looks i don't like uh the the worst offender of that might be ryan day ohio state ryan day looks ridiculous i'm thinking matt lafleur matt lafleur's beard game is a little too much mcdaniel we know he's into his look mcveigh of course is very into his look

we need to i think more shanahan's a little kingsbury yeah kingsbury i don't like the way he operates i think kyle shanahan is just a dork who's now starting to look kind of like an older guy right doesn't he look kind of middle-aged now? Yeah, he's got the forward hat. We think guys look like Andy Reid. They just love to eat and just kind of like – they're coaching ball. Or Belichick who looks miserable all the time on the sidelines, just old and weathered. And then you have Pete Carroll who looks like he's – his energy is a 35-year-old at 70 years old as a coach.

Yeah, your boy uh your boy p carol there um all right i totally lost track of what we were doing because well i was gonna just go further down the deep end of trashing the patriots let me ask you this did you see tom brady's comments about mediocrity yes what did you think about his comments and then i want to bring up the comments against it i mean it's stuff we've said before right the lack of practice time has hurt development of offensive linemen development of quarterbacks um but his sentiments are sort of the reason why i think some older coaches have struggled because they have not adapted to the new football they've not adapted to the way that football is practiced now and played now and i And I think that you have to be able to adapt to, again, less practice time,

less time on the field, less hitting. The best coaches have done that, and the ones that talk like Tom Brady, and I don't disagree with what Tom Brady said, are the ones that still struggle with making that transition. Okay, but the reason that things are with making that transition okay but the the reason that things are the way that they are is because the entire league rewrote its rules to protect literally him up until he was 43 years old we were still going out of our way to keep this guy safe while he cheated and and you know broke every rule he could find we created rules to make him

better and now he's complaining about it um look it does sound like old man get off my lawn right where you know i get that and he certainly benefited from the rules but i he's not he's not wrong he's not wrong um about what he said though like that's the thing he's not wrong um but there's there's it's not going to change nothing's going to be done differently well i liked an alex smith's response on espn pregame yesterday he said in my biggest complaint with this meaning tom brady's comments about a lot of mediocrity my biggest complaint with this he played in the most uncompetitive division in nfl history you come out of training camp the biggest cupcake division you got a ticket to the playoffs right away what was funny is alex who

said this obviously overlapped with tom his whole career he said it next to teddy bruski and randy moss with rex ryan opposite him rex ryan was the guy who got his ass kicked by the patriots that whole time he was the only competition in that division for two or three years i don't know yes it was fend alex was saying that was fantastic um he's got a point though right like tom brady you know you complain about this but you also benefit from it yeah also by the way alex smith handsomer than tom brady you see him side by side. It's not even close. How great does it look like he's getting younger and Alex Smith looks like the appropriate age? And it's a better look than Tom Brady's.

Let me ask you this. I don't know how serious he is, but I know he's a great athlete and I know he's a big guy. And I know he was at least a two-sport star in high school in Atlanta. Ant-Man, Anthonyony edwards timberwolves wants to play in the nfl simultaneously not one and then the other what would it take i'm not going to say could he do it what would it take to make that happen the dion thing with the nfl and the nba um well when's he going to do this because he's got to be in he's got to be in the offseason program so

he's gonna skip the the spring basketball season to like he can't just show up in september and and do both like without playing football for years without looking into his exact plan can we assume that he'd be pretty light on the nba during the nfl season and then go hard nba come february fine i guess from a practical perspective game yeah the idea you're gonna play you're gonna play in the nba and the nfl for a full season and then just show up and play for the timberwolves the day after super bowl is insane like your body will be beat to shit look at the basketball courts what are we doing here um you know it's just it's it's not gonna

happen what if you were a wide receiver not you know which I assume is what he's thinking he would be or a quarterback in Tom Brady's mediocre league where quarterbacks aren't allowed to be hit could he then maybe pull it off so is he in your he's just so dumb we're talking about this is he in your pool your little court your veteran quarterback pool add him to the roster sure yeah I'd rather watch Anthony Edwards than Tim Boyle I think we all would look I'll just tell you this if Anthony Edwards played football, Gabe, he would get injured and it would not be fun to watch. So that's my final say on that.

I don't know. This is a wet fart response to that fun question. Let's go to a few other things. Oh, I want to be a pitcher in baseball. Can I do both at the same time while I play offensive line? Yeah. I believe in you. I think you could do it

all right what's up next can we save time on the following we've already hit tim boy i don't want to say his name anymore russell wilson and the broncos i hate this man i really do but they've won five in a row yeah sean payne got this thing right right defense what are we supposed to say about them hey we might be wrong sean payne got this team right, right? What are we supposed to say about them? Hey, we might be wrong. Sean Payne got this team right, man. Wilson is playing like his old self a lot of times, scrambling around, making plays. Defense forcing a bunch of turnovers the last four or five weeks.

They're playing better football. They haven't beat the Bills, beat the Chiefs. Not all bad football teams. So, yeah, give credit where credit is due. Sean Payne is turning. Dude, they lost 70-20, and they're like 6-5. It's pretty good. Yeah, it is pretty good.

And I'd refuse to watch their games, but I don't know. Looks like they play most parts of the game of football they're doing right these days. Let's double check. Is Brandon staley still with us he's he's not been fired i mean he's not dead but i i think he uh i think he's still in the chargers i'm still the chargers head coach okay uh this was bouncing around uh on a few text threads i'm a part of um apparently the lions they never had a chance against the packers on thanksgiving

because of the moon. The moon was in some sort of alignment where they never win. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. We're not doing this. Okay. All right. Let me try this on you.

Jason Sudeikis is now considered to be the person who introduced Travis Kelsey to Taylor Swift. I don't know how he had that opportunity. I don't know why we would talk about this, but it's on the list. My wife in the Taylor Swift thing is just so frustrating because she just will say stuff about football around Taylor and nothing to do with the game. Be like, is Taylor Swift there? The Eagles are playing right now. Why would she be there?

Well, it's Travis's brother's playing, right? He's the Eagle. He plays in the Eagles, so why would Taylor not be there well it's travis's brother's playing right he's the eagle he plays the eagle so why would taylor not be there like just to annoy me and it certainly works and i'm just i'm over it i'm way over it i just i'm like babe you don't like football just what are you talking about just like stop talking about taylor swift all the time she never mentioned taylor swift at all to me ever until she started dating a football player now she's obsessed with every movement of Taylor Swift. Well, I think that other famous people,

pop stars, are going to take a little play from the playbook. I don't know who the, you know, B-list Taylor Swifts are out there, but I guarantee you that they're all having their publicists floated out to TMZ or whoever, that they're dating so-and-so or they might be at the game or, know look out for them here and there because it's clearly worked to expand this audience so I think you're not done with this yet Jeff it certainly has um

who would be the next who would be the next like football player and pop star to hook up I don't know I don't know who the cool pop stars are i saw olivia rodrigo at the usc game the other day uh but she went to usc i think her dad even might have played there like there's some ties there i don't think she's dating who are your kids listening to nowadays your kids aren't they're not into that yet no we're still we're still in the baby shark world they like you know who they like is alicia keys girl on fire yeah nice yeah i love alicia keys oh man let's take a break yeah oh wow okay get into this oh oh wow there's another podcast for that probably we need to well i think about alicia keys wow okay uh let's take a quick break for the people watching live

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You're right. I just haven't. I mean, insanely talented. Obviously a gorgeous person. It seems funny, can act. Have you met her before? No. In your industry, your passing,

you've never met her at an event or a show? No. Oh, okay. All right. Well, college football is here, Gabe. What do you want to talk about? in your industry you're passing you've never met an event or a show no oh okay all right well um college football is here gabe what do you want to talk about how i want to talk about the chaos chaos scenarios how organ how organ's gonna win uh against washington friday and we're gonna be a playoff team well yeah you just gave you gave away a lot of your take right there so let's just go right to it the pac-12 championship is the only one being done correctly right now they have the two best teams playing against each other one gets in one goes home makes a lot of sense to me you think it's going to be oregon i don't know washington got

them the last time we'll see uh why don't more conferences just do this why are we trapped in this old system why do i have to watch iowa well look the pac-12 got rid of divisions a few years ago for this exact reason right they wanted to be able to have the two best teams play each other because that's right they're often getting you know a seven and five team versus a 10 and one team or 11 to one team and the big 10 this last year i think in this last year of divisions at least maybe they'll go back to next year with an 18-team league. But, yeah, you would have basically Michigan and Penn State, I think, with a tiebreaker. I'm actually curious how a tiebreaker would work.

Because Ohio State beat them. I wonder if it's just straight up. I think if it was a three-way tiebreaker, what would have happened was the scenario I saw a couple weeks ago. So, yeah, it would be basically – I mean, Michigan and Ohio State would play again. One thing, because Ohio State beat Penn State. It would be that simple.

I think so. That'd be crazy. Two weeks in a row to play a team like that. I've been in the NFL before in the playoffs. We played Vikings Packers in week 17 and played them again six days later in the postseason. That'd be crazy in college football to have it that way. Yeah, I mean, look, but in in the other conferences you get the matchups you

want right we get bama georgia texas oklahoma state just the big ten's the only one where we have that still that that uh that division set up all right so then let's talk about all the dominoes all right so georgia bama should be clean, right? I think we're just saying the winner is in and becomes the one seed. The loser is out. No, if Alabama wins, Michigan's the one seed. Okay, fine. Thank you for correcting me.

If Alabama wins, they go in as the two, presuming Michigan beat Iowa and goes in as the one. But Michigan could easily lose to Iowa in like a 10-3 game no they're not losing but they're not okay you could just forget that one yeah okay michigan's in miss michigan is the two at worst georgia alabama georgia wins they're the one alabama wins they're the two is georgia alive or they're just out no it depends no it well then you talk why am i talking make it smart i don't know what okay so there's a doomsday scenario where a bunch of these teams you know there's a bunch of upsets this weekend here's the easiest scenario is this you ready

georgia beats alabama they're the one seed michigan beats iowa they're the two seed pato champions the three seed and florida state's the four seed okay i know that's the easy scenario i'm talking about the chaos scenarios i'm getting there i'm getting there all right the chaos scenarios begin obviously if iowa beats michigan that's just not going to happen michigan's probably out of the discussion if everyone else wins basically the chaos scenario is this it is georgia wins michigan wins oregon wins excuse me it's michigan wins oregon wins alabama wins texas wins so you have basically michigan's in undefeated florida state's in undefeated, Florida State's in undefeated, and you have Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Oregon, Washington,

all 12-1. I believe I have that correct. That's where the chaos becomes because if Oregon wins, I think they're one of the best three teams in the country. I don't know how they would get left out. But then is Bama in over Georgia? Because then Texas would make the argument, we beat Alabama.

Why are we not in? So does Oregon get bumped out and then Bama and Texas go in? And Oregon's out at 12-1 conference champion. Florida State, they're not the same team without Jordan Travis, but they keep winning. So I think they're going to be in. I think, tell they keep winning, so I think they're going to be in. I tell you what, Gabe, the real chaos is going to be this, in my opinion. It's going to be Georgia wins, Michigan wins, Pac-12 champion,

Florida State wins, Texas wins. Are you putting 12-1 Texas over 13-0 Florida State? That becomes – because Georgia will murder Rotemaker, the Florida State backup quarterback. That will not be a fun game in the playoff. Georgia Texas will be a much more competitive football game in my opinion. But if you go 13-0 in a Power 5 conference, quarterback or no quarterback, you should be in the playoff.

That, to me, is the biggest chaos of it all, is basically saying, sorry, Florida State, you went 13-0. You win every game on your schedule. You're not in the playoff because your quarterback is out, which that, to me, is the biggest chaos scenario, Gabe, right there. Yeah, and I don't think they'll do it because Florida State brings an entire region as a brand you know like remember florida state is essentially like the cincinnati of this and of this whole

thing except everyone involved can accept the idea of like yeah we could put a florida state logo up there and that'll still look like a championship yeah you know most people are just tuning into the fact that you know some of these some of these teams aren't exactly how they started the season but florida state clearly can't provide the same competition as any of those other teams we just talked about uh yeah look i think it's really i mean it wouldn't surprise me obviously alabama would win a championship. They'd beat Georgia. They could certainly do it. There's no surprise.

But I really think you're looking at – Look, if Alabama were to beat Georgia and win out, you would be like, oh, Alabama, of course. I really think of national championship perspective, there's really – It's Georgia, Michigan, Oregon, Bama, Texas, Ohio State. They can all – I can all see them doing it. But, again, you know, some teams aren't going to win their conferences.

They just can't be in it. Ohio State is not going to be in it 11-1. They didn't win their conference. So chaos is going to happen most likely, even though, again, for the entire playoff structure gabe it's never been this way it's never gotten this point where we've had no chaos we've had nothing nothing whatsoever and i don't i don't think it happens this weekend i didn't i well i take i take that back if bam were to win that's when the shit gets bad quickly right i think oregon wins i think texas

wins i think flor Florida State wins. And then you just, again, Georgia wins. The question becomes Texas or Florida State. Because here's the thing. Oregon is going to be ahead of Texas again tonight. Or not Tuesday night. Tuesday night. If they beat Washington, they're not going below Texas now.

So I told you the impactful champion is in no matter what. Can't wait to watch it this weekend, Gabe. Be a lot of fun. I mean, Friday night, can't get here fast enough. 8 p.m. I have post-game radio after Oregon-Washington, and I'm either going to be crying because I'm sad or crying because I'm happy. I'll tune in and listen to you be emotional.

Is USC in the playoff discussion? That was not necessary. Oh, I was checking. I don't know. I've been out of the loop a little bit. I thought USC was going to be a playoff team this year. That's why I was asking you. Part of your case, bud, to get in over Texas is the fact that you beat USC.

So why don't you just show a little bit of respect? A 7-5 USC. Yeah. They were ranked at the time. It seemed like a big deal. So just chill out. the fact that you beat usc so why don't you just show a little bit of respect a seven and five usc yeah they were ranked at the time it seemed like a big deal so just chill out all right uh tim tebow's going to the college hall of fame show some respect to the man greatest college football player of all time tim tebow by the way imagine he came along now in the era of tim boyle and tommy devito and josh dobbs we'd be having a very different conversation about tim tebow and vince young's ability to win at that level i guess i mean we have to watch tebow won a game two for eight as a passer so good for fine he was a thousand times better than literally at least 10 guys who are starting in the nfl right

now it's not even debatable but let's talk about the bears and vikings tonight you're supposed to make me some money uh this is a fun game surprisingly fun game i'm into it yeah well i mean look when justin fields is back for the bear so we have a little bit of his ability to um you know to move the pocket and run and just you can make plays he's a he's a he's a great athlete right and josh jobs great story we keep talking about josh jobs the ability for him to to move the pocket and run. He can make plays. He's a great athlete. Josh Jobs, great story. We keep talking about Josh Jobs, the ability for him to come in on his third team

in this season. It was Brown's preseason in Arizona, and the Vikings to come in and play as well as he has. So I think a game that really, the Vikings win, I guess, during the playoff hunt, but I'm not sure people consider them a real playoff team. It's just kind of a fun, bad football game. football game bad football team game that makes sense right you have two quarterbacks that are dynamic and sort of get after things so here's what we're here's what

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automatic one whenever Justin Fields plays it's his rushing number more right like 55 and a half rush yards I have more than 55 and a half rush yards Fields have more than 55 and a half rush yards feels when they're at their best as an offense he's run the football 59 yards last week he's at 47 this year that's lost kansas city he had 57 against a win against washington the week one he had 104 against detroit in a very close loss like that's he has to run the football for them to be good.

And it's built into the offense. I like the idea of waging for him to have more any time that we can because that is their offense, unfortunately, at times. So let's go to a couple of Vikings ones I like here. Jordan Addison, more than three and a half receptions. He's had six, three, and four in the last three games. He's their best wide receiver at the moment, even

though there is talk about Jefferson maybe seeing the field fairly soon. But again, I think against the Bears defense that gives up a ton of points, anytime you can sort of take the more option against the team they're playing, you have to do it.

That's just the way I look at this game. And TJ Hawkinson, who has been a favorite target of Josh Jobs, the tight end for the Vikings. I have him more than 63.5 receiving yards. Again, Bears defense gives up a ton of yards, a ton of points, and Hawkinson is sort of the blanket guy for Dob yards. Again, Bears defense gives up a ton of yards, a ton of points, and Hawkinson is sort of the blanket guy for Dobbs. He had eight receptions last game, but only 35 yards.

I mean, if you get eight receptions most games, you're getting over this number by far, which he did the previous two games. So I have more than 50 and a half rush yards for Justin Fields, more than three and a half receptions for Jordan Addison, and more than 63 and a half receiving yards for TJ Hawkinson. That's my price book square for tonight. Good to watch the game it's a lot of fun

I love that square I want to challenge it a little bit I want to make sure we're doing the right thing here okay you've I said it last week I'll say it again you have been nailing it with the QB rush yards overs you found a soft spot in the zone, so to speak. You keep on hitting that. But this Fields one feels priced differently because he's known to be a runner. You took advantage when it was Pat and some other guys were sneaky good runners,

but not known for it. This guy's known for it. 59 and a half is a lot of yards, man. 55 and a half. 55 and a half. Sorry. Yeah, but this is part of the offense they have place for him to run the football that's why i think it matters again when they're at their best

they're running the football with him as an option and i think that's why again i just feel like they're gonna get it last week they're gonna be back to doing it this week again because that's what they have to do on offense to be good yeah i mean they absolutely did it last week. They're going to be back to doing it this week again because that's what they have to do on offense to be good. Yeah. I mean, they absolutely did it last week. And before he went down, this number feels about right. That one makes me nervous. I like Jordan Addison with more, and I like Hawkinson with more.

Hawkinson really screwed me this year. I mocked my buddy who kept him in our fantasy league, and I mocked that as the worst keeper in history, hockinson has been a stud all season long ppr league he's been great yeah yeah i forgot to set my lineup for both my fantasy teams this week i think i'm gonna take l's whatever that's all right jeff we're here to make money on prize picks and i think you've just done it so that's like that's a good three square. What's the promo code again? I love my square. I like G-S-S-Y, $100 match deposit. I like my promo code. I mean, I like my promo code, obviously.

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I still don't see it. I wonder what the reason would be um they're in town that they can assemble all the necessary people um i guess it was a late game maybe they all left the luxury box went home they haven't gotten up yet to talk about what they should do with coach i don't know it's 10 a.m on the west coast no one's up yet i don't know buddy i've been it's been a long week maybe they just uh starting a little late today i'm not sure all right guys well enjoy the show as usual uh if you're here this late thank you please rate review and subscribe always like getting your feedback

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