Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Rodgers out, Kelce retiring?, Bold Offseason Predictions

Episode Date: February 13, 2025

Geoff and Matt recap the Super Bowl one last time, discuss the end of Aaron Rodgers' tenure with the Jets, discuss who could be the next Commanders, and discuss lessons of the 2025 season. Listen to us on Cooler and subscribe to Pine sports using promo code "Geoff" for 50% off!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

It is Thursday, February 13th. I'm Jeff Schwartz, that is Matt Ford. This is Jeff Schwartz, this is Marne. We are now host Super Bowl Matt, Eagles 44, Chiefs, we got the 22, didn't really feel it. 40, 40 Eagles, 40 Eagles, Chiefs 22. It doesn't matter cause they're up 34, nothing in the third quarter.

A domination by the Eagles. We will cover that. We'll cover some off season news and notes we already have already. One quarterback out in New York, another quarterback we've been to move from Los Angeles, some early source off happening with a quarterback in Jacksonville going to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

We'll talk about some predictions made for next year, some lessons learned from this season. Matt, we're gonna cover it all. How are you buddy? I made no money at the Super Bowl, put it like that. So I think I ended up being, Chiefs lost obviously, but like not the worst weekend I could have had. Yeah, that's about right.

I think, I mean, for betting on the Chiefs, that was about as well as it could have gone, I think. Like I ended up losing like, I don't know, two units, which isn't too bad, but I will say I got a massive bailout from my Jordan Davis sack. He was plus a thousand to get a sack. That was my one star bet in our competition last week.

And he got a sack and it was pretty early in the game. I think it was like in the second quarter. So for the rest of the night, I was like, all right, I'm golden. And I had, I had that in like 60 parlays. Like I, my buddy and I did make like a hundred of those, like 50 cent parlays that pay out like seven figures. And we were close on, on one or two of them, but that was sort of like the signature leg.

But yeah, shout out Jordan Davis, felt great about that. That was a good wager you made. The over getting home very much helped me out. I appreciate that. The over and Mahomes getting over, not past attempts, he would have had an over, he'd get sacked as many times as he did, but nonetheless, it was a beat down, Matt.

Sometimes when a game happens the way it does, like that, you just nod your cap and you say, great job, Pilledoff the Eagles, right? I mean, I could come here and tell you, the Chiefs look tired. I thought they looked a little tired. Well, maybe the Eagles made them look tired because of how fast the Eagles played.

I could tell you that it wasn't always the offensive line's fault for the Chiefs. It wasn't, Mahomes wasn't great. But then again, the Eagles made some great plays, right? Cooper, Dejean on that interception, the way the defensive line rushed the passer. It was a bad game for the Chiefs and a great game for the Eagles.

And it was an ass-hicking by the more physical team, the team that looked fresher, the team that looked bigger, faster, stronger, and they took it for the Eagles. And it was an ass-hicking by the more physical team, the team that looked fresher, the team that looked bigger, faster, stronger, and they took it to the Chiefs. And there were moments the Chiefs had, Matt, they could have clawed their way back in the game to make it a game. Every moment they lost,

we talked about hitting in the game, how the Chiefs were the team that always won the moments. In this game, they lost all the moments and Philly won every single moment available to them. Josh, what was, I thought he should've won MVP by the way. I did bet him live 35 to one, which would've been fantastic. You know what wager, by the way,

that made me go from basically making money to being down like half a unit, was I had under two and a half players to attempt to pass. It was minus 230. And Kenny Pickett threw the ball on fourth down on that final drive. Otherwise that flips me to positive. So that's how bad it was.

Kenny Pickett attempted a pass in the Super Bowl as the Eagles were blowing out of Kansas City. So look, if I talk about this on my social media, I have Jeff Schwartz. You can go and listen to Nick Wright's podcast, if you would like, an hour of Chiefs. But that's what it is, Matt. Chiefs got their ass kicked.

It's that simple. Yeah, that got a nice laugh from our crew that also works on Nick Wright's show here. Yeah, that was on purpose. I did wanna just sort of throw this out there. So we've been working with our friends at Pine Sports. We've been in a little competition, you, me and Jack Saul, the AI who I've chosen to be French for no reason at all.

Do we want to maybe recap maybe who won that? Like I just am curious how the standings went out. Oh, I beat the professional football player and the AI. You certainly won. I mean, I can add up the points ended up. Oh, I beat the professional football player and the AI. You certainly won. I mean, I can add up the points, but I think I was one in four last week. I can confirm I won.

I can confirm I won. Yeah, you won. Yeah. So yeah, you could trust someone who played in the NFL or the supercomputer AI or this, and this wins. You did hit that Jordan Davis one that I think got you First first passed to be a completion. That was my three star for each team

And then I had what was my two star? It was some other amazing genius bet that panned out. So Congratulations to me. Yeah, we should rename this podcast a match for it is smarter than you but that we can talk about that season It's the next season down DeAndre Hopkins over. That was my play. All right, Hopkins under too. That touchdown got him there on that final throw, final second to last touchdown they had there. By the way, Pine Sports, you can go and look at NBA props

if you like such a thing as the NBA ramps up here. Remember no college sports, but there's NHL as well. So plenty of options to find if you would still like to use the tool. Again, it's a great tool for everything, right? I mean, there's an article right here about LeBron James last night over seven and a half assists. I don't even know if I got him a look right now

to see if it, I know that if you had, he had seven, so unfortunately it didn't get there, but if you had Bronny James over half a point, he had nine points last night in a lot of loss, but he did have, so again, if you like to still wager on things that are not the NFL, and you would like the opportunity to just basically have the capability to maybe find some winners in the night,

every night, then you have a chance to do that here. Yeah, definitely. And yeah, I think overall, good season for us. I mean, we obviously chugged along and the regular season did not do great. Better playoffs than regular season, yeah. But the things we harped on the most last week

were if you like the Eagles, take the lemon-lime Gatorade and Jordan Davis to get a last week were if you like the Eagles, take the lemon lime Gatorade and Jordan Davis to get a sack. So if you bet on those, you you ended up with a positive day. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. But yeah, thanks to Pine Sports. During March Madness will for sure be back with some some more props and bets with them. And then our friends at Cooler, I wanted to shout them out. We're one of the early adopters of this podcast platform, Cooler. You can check us out there.

You can sign up at Cooler.fm with the promo code Jeff. They're still doing invites because they're kind of still in there. We'll bring them up a few times during the show, but I wanted to give them a shout out as well. Jeff for the G by the way, for me his realist podcast, you probably know that. Jeff for the G off. But I just wanna make sure that we have that there.

I wanna get the credit for this, okay guys? All right, Matt, you're in the studio today by the way, which means it must be an important day in the Blue Duck community. Because you're in the studio for me, I'll tell you that. Yeah, I usually don't make the Trek to El Segundo on a Friday, I'll be honest. There are others who do, who come in and make the show so I appreciate them. But I'm here. It's pouring rain in LA today.

My dad told me that, yeah. Yeah, lots to talk about. Why don't we start with the big news that broke this morning. Aaron Rodgers has been informed his time with the Jets is over. That was not a shock. In fact, when the news broke today, I was like, didn't they already do this a few days ago? I thought this is where we were. But it seems official today. There's a lot of ways we can take this. What was your first thought

and what's interesting to you about this? I tweeted out, let me be the first to say that this trade was a disaster. And people were like, you're not the first. Yeah, you think? and people were like, you're not the first. Like, yeah, you think? What a terrible two years for the Jets. For organization that continues to be dumpster fire.

And I think a lot of us said, even at the best, it wasn't gonna be as good as people wanted it to be in New York, right? Matt gets hurt in the first play of 2023, then last season, complete dumpster fire with the coach being fired, and just very clearly offensively, just not much there. And the Jets thing is what it is.

Aaron Glenn's there now, they'll find a quarterback and move on. The Rodgers thing is really interesting to me. So, you know, one thing that I think is gonna hurt him finding an opportunity to play somewhere is that he's not a backup to me. He's not going anywhere to be a backup or to fight for a competition.

He's only gonna be a starter somewhere. That really limits his opportunities by where he's gonna go. I don't think he was a good backup, you know, Matt? Like I don't think he was like the veteran there. I mean, I don't think you want your backup going on McAfee on Tuesdays and talking about the games. You know, like that's not what you want.

I know the Jets, by the way, how do you feel about the Jets telling him no McAfee if he stayed? and talking about the games, you know? Like that's not what you want. I know the Jets, by the way, how do you feel about the Jets telling them no McAfee if he stayed? I feel like that's, a lot of teams would tell their quarterbacks that, by the way. That's exactly what they should have done last year. Like that's how you take control as a new coach

and a new front office. You tell your quarterback who's making a lot of money like what the rules are. Like if you run any business, that's your right. And if that was a big sticking point, then I'm not surprised this is where we got. Matt, by the way, told me to not go on McAfee either. I haven't been invited, but he told me that,

just pre-told me I wasn't allowed to be on the show either. That's protected product brand. No, not true. Go on McAfee, please. Yeah, I know, right? Actually, so it's like a Fox thing, too. Like, I don't think I'm allowed to. But that's a nuts story for another day.

Hi, hold on. I gotta, I'll just tell you. I gotta call. I gotta call. Careful, Jeff. About a month ago about cross-platform stuff and we just wanna make sure the talent doesn't go on another, which I get, competitors,

like you don't wanna do that, but the thing I thought I might do was very funny. I was like, I'm not even that popular with you guys. How am I gonna be that popular somewhere else? So it just was fun. It's funny to get that call. Every now and then I get a text from my boss, like call me immediately.

It's always bad, this was good. So I'll take that. Options for Rogers, Matt. Not many, so let's go through them, okay? The Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, the favorite right there. I guess, I mean sure, Pittsburgh has to decide one of two things.

We're either gonna be bad, so we can draft from the top 10, which we're never gonna do Matt, or we gotta be aggressive and trade up for a quarterback. This plugging the hole with washed up veteran for the next 10 years is not the way they're gonna win any Super Bowl. And that's the goal in that town, is to win Super Bowls.

And you can't do that if you go after Aaron Rodgers for a year, then the next older quarterback for a year, next older quarterback for a year. Now there's rumors that they called Jacksonville about Trevor Lawrence, but they don't have a GM. So that's not something that actually happened. But that would be bold. Like go get yourself Trevor Lawrence, you know?

Now there's a hundred million dollar dead cat pit for Jacksonville, they're not gonna do that trade. It seems like that is not all something that was ever approached by Pittsburgh, Matt. But they gotta get aggressive and do something. Being in the middle, they are a team in a franchise that wants to win Super Bowls. They're firmly in the middle,

and I'm not sure Aaron Rodgers, Matt, gets them any closer to their ultimate goal. I would think that would be a bad signing if Pittsburgh went ahead and did that. Yeah, I think it's one of those things that's always kind of been talked about in NFL smart guy circles of like, don't you see like they kind of like, like they kind of work flirt on the field, like they kind

of they're both are kind of like in sync when they play against each other, like they'll both sort of like have a comment or a look or whatever. So I think people have always sort of said like, there may be something there. I agree. I thought I love that Pittsburgh allegedly called about Trevor Lawrence. I even love if it didn't happen and they put it out there. They are the team that should make some really splashy risky move at quarterback. But this one, I agree, is not it. I just don't think Rogers is... I just don't think he's a playoff level quarterback at this point.

If he was, I think we would have known it. He did have a pretty good set of weapons around him last year. So I think Pittsburgh is a little bit too smart for that. I think he would have known it. He did have a pretty good set of weapons around him last year. So I think, I think Pittsburgh is a little bit too smart for that. I think he's going to retire. I don't think he is going to end up like going to like there's the, the, obviously the top of this draft class isn't great. You know, I don't see him going to Cleveland or, you know, Tennessee or the, or the Raiders, like maybe the Raider, maybe maybe Tom Brady has some conversation with him.

He's just sort of a stop gap for a little while, but I just don't see him ending his career like that. I think he would much rather be like, you know what, I'm too smart for you guys. I've been blackballed by this league because I'm a free thinker. I could 100% see him being that kind of person. So I think we've seen the last of Aaron Rodgers,

but I could be wrong. Okay. The Raiders was the one that stood out to me as a stop gap between whatever this year is and something else. Pete Carroll just saying, let's go veteran, right? Let's go to the roster around. We need good football players,

not a great quarterback draft. Let's have Roger's first season and then worry about something else next year. Pete Carroll has that leeway to do that because it's his first year there. And obviously that feels like a perfect spot for him. Kind of like just in Vegas, sort of out of the limelight, you know what I mean?

There's not a lot of attention there in Vegas, especially in the AFC West. And they're not gonna win a ton of games, but just sort of a bridge guy. That feels like a spot, one year deal in the desert somewhere. That feels like the place to be. I guess.

I don't know, and then what do you think? The only other team that came to mind for me maybe was the Colts, if they've decided Anthony Richardson just isn't their guy, and then they just sort of say, like Richardson, you're gonna like learn from Rogers. Like it's a very Colts-ish move. Like how many of these stopgap quarterbacks have they had just to go nowhere?

But I don't know, maybe not. There's like an interesting carousel that's gonna happen this year with Cousins, with potentially, you know, with Sam Darnold. You know, we'll get to Matthew Stafford in a minute, but I think I could see the Raiders being like, yeah, let's do two years with Darnold and overpay him and just give him a shot.

Like I could see that being a good team, but I'm curious what you think the Jets are gonna do from here now, because the Jets, they are in the same sort of position you're talking about with the Steelers, where the Steelers, they seemingly seem kind of close except for the quarterback. You could argue the Jets are too like They're not getting sam darnold back. That would be hilarious if they did but like What do you think? What do you think their play is?

Um Were they drafted where they added the draft Uh draft order Were they drafted, were they added in the draft? Draft order. I think they're nine. This, by the way, is going to be a preview of our draft Palooza. Seventh, they're seventh.

That we will do near the end of the, near the end of, near the draft, I should say. They're what, they're seventh, okay. Yeah. I doubt Shadur makes it past the Raiders at six. Correct, or someone turned up for Shadur. Good question, Matt. You know, Aaron Glenn, first year there,

new general manager, they could certainly do a bridge for a year with a veteran quarterback and just sort of get them to next season. What if they signed Darnold for a year, you know? Probably not bringing Darnold back, it's a bad example. Yeah, I just don't see that. I don't know, good question. I don't, I don't know. Like it's pretty lean out there, dude.

Like this is, this is one of those things where you're just like, you want, you look up and you go like, wait a second, like Jared Goff is, has a 200 and 200 plus million dollar contract and it's like, because of this, it's like, even if he's not the answer, you're at least not stuck here. If you're not thinking about your quarterback,

then you can think about the rest of the roster. Yeah, maybe Mariota for a year, which is not great, but someone like that, right? Where you just have to sort of use this year to build a culture, get more players, and then obviously have the ability to draft someone a year from now, essentially, two years from now. That is so tough, man.

He had a nice few moments for Washington this year. He's not a starting quarterback first season type of player, no. And it's also, I mean, think about this too, and then we can move on, but some of these quarterbacks that we're starting to talk about year after year, like Rogers, he's 42, Stafford's 37, so is Cousins, Derek Carr's 34, Geno's 35.

Like we're about to cycle out of a, of an older generation of quarterbacks, most of whom like kind of don't matter already, but some of these jobs, we're going to start seeing like the Gardner Minshews start to be a little bit more appealing. Like some of these backups that we've seen, like Will Levis is probably going to bounce around now for a few years, like those kinds of guys. We're about to see a whole new crop of quarterbacks sort of take these chairs and it is not a great place to be.

And it's nice to finally have a team that isn't in that purgatory. I've been there a long time. You mean the, the, the, the commandantes, the commanders. Matt, who is the 2025 Commanders? Everyone's gonna try to talk about this. Let's get ahead of it. And the recipe for this essentially is,

is it rookie quarterback or second year quarterback? Because Drake May in New England, I figure people are gonna say, well, that's the team that takes a jump, but that's not really what happened in Washington, right? Because it was Jay and Daniel's first year. Promise Cam Warrant and Sajira Sanders are not those quarterbacks in my opinion,

year one to lead their team to the playoffs. Jackson, Dard, whoever you draft in the top two rounds. I don't think there's any commanders this year other than maybe, again, Patriots are just better with new coaches and Drake made in the second year. Not exactly what Washington did, but there always are teams that go worse to first, right? Where a team's up to fire in one year,

CJ Stroud with Houston, Drayden Daniels, and maybe Drake May's that guy in New England. Again, it's not the same exact thing, apples to apples, but it does feel like it is the closest clinical commander's thing we could see in 2025. Yeah. So when we sort of texted about this question, I thought, well, what does that mean?

And I think it could mean, you know, that the commanders and the Texans kind of had this same model. And yeah, the rookie quarterback picked second was the commonality, but there was another commonality, which was a new, a new everything, essentially. And for both teams, it was strangely a defensive coach who came in and completely changed the culture immediately.

And you know, if you remember Houston three years ago now, like they had just gone off of firing, was it Lovey Smith? Like it was, it was, it was the coach before him. It might've been Lovey Smith. Dave Q, I don't even remember that guy's name, but they had just gone through a bunch of one and dons or two and dons, and they just,

and the DeAndre Hopkins thing had happened. The owner had sort of said some really gnarly stuff. And then Dimek O'Riots came in there, and so did CJ Stroud, and the cloud was just kind of lifted. And then the same thing happened with the commanders. Obviously the new owner there was the big change. Like I could see the only teams where I could see this happening with the big culture change,

obviously we don't know if they'll have a rookie quarterback would be the Jets and Raiders, where you come in and it's similar. It's in both cases, it's a new defensive coach. It's a complete culture change in a place that has, has really had a rotten run for the last, I don't know, decade plus in each of those. Um, in each case, there's some compelling pieces. Like for what you would never looked at Washington's roster and been like,

yeah, there's some real pieces here, but like, the Raiders could potentially have that right, like Brock Bowers, Max Crosby, you know, some other nice pieces here and there across the team. Like they could potentially turn things around and be a total surprise. But the problem with them of course, is that they're in this division with, you know, potentially three hall of fame coaches and at least, you know, two, two to two to three, very good quarterbacks and one elite quarterback. Um, so I don't know, I, I't know, I don't totally see it. I don't think we should take for granted

that this is so rare, but I'm curious. I mean, I think the Patriots are the other popular pick. The other one that just, as I go through in my head, again, this is not, again, there's not gonna be a straight comparison, a straight line between these teams here, But could it be Carolina with Bryce Young? Yes, totally. Like that feels like a team that is primed

for a huge jump this season Matt. And they clearly have a quarterback. I like their coaching staff. They just have better football players around the quarterback. By the way, since we're there, did you see the Cam Noon comments about the 2010 Panthers? Yes I did.

Basically said it was a team full of losers, is that the correct paraphrase? Yeah, no, that's correct. Team full of losers who didn't know how and didn't know how to prepare. And the two and four team mentality when he got in the locker room. Well, I mean, no shit, we were two and 14.

Steve Smith got really angry at that. So did Charles Johnson. I said my piece as well on that. And, yeah, jeez. I didn't realize you were on this team. Is that, so you were on that team that year? I played every snap in 2010. It's probably when we were two and 14.

2010, okay. And then you, were you there the following year in 11? I was hurt. You were hurt, but you were on the squad. That was John Fox got fired. Ron Rivera came in. Ron I was hurt. You were hurt, but you were on the squad. That was John Fox got fired. Ron Rivera came in. Ron Rivera was hurt, yes. And then Cam Newton got drafted.

And in a very fun season, the Panthers went six and 10. Okay, I needed a bit of a refresh. First play of the, I think the first throw of his career hit Steve Smith like an 85-yard touchdown in Arizona, if you remember. I completely remember that. I remember where I was. It was mind blowing.

Yeah, okay, so the reason why everyone was upset about this quote is A, it feels very personal, right? He didn't say we had a losing culture. He said we, a bunch of losers, okay? And the reason why it rubbed all of us the wrong way was that it felt personal, but two is that it doesn't take into consideration what actually happened.

Because when you say something like that, it does feel like you're saying they're perennial losers, right, you didn't say perennial losers. Two years ago, that same team with basically the same players was 12 and four in the two seed. And then the next year we were eight and eight in 2009. We set a rushing record that season,

two running backs with 1100 yards each, has not been broken, may never be broken again. So that same team that was losers and we were two and 14 in 2010, basically the bulk of it went to the AFC, was a two seed, 12 and four in 2008. And then went eight and eight in 2009 with a quarterback injury. DeLum got hurt that season.

So it's not a bunch of losers, we had a bad season, and the team, by the way, the Cam Newton Inherent, it had two pro bowl, all-pro offensive linemen, Jordan Goos, and Ryan Khalil. Jonathan Williams, D'Angelo Stewart, and Steve Smith, that's five premium players that were good at their positions on offense. And defensively they had Thomas Davis, John Beeson,

Chris Gamble, Charles Johnson. It wasn't a team full of bums, Matt. It was a team that had a bad year because we had Jimmy Claussen. No, sorry Jimmy, I don't mean to send us straight in your direction. But, and the ownership cut all the fringe players. Like you have to have, what Washington did so good this year

was they brought in those fringe players, right Matt? Like those, the last five starters are just quality middle of the road veterans, you know? And we cut all those guys because we wanted to stick. It was uncapped year, our owner didn't want to pay anything in that year. So that's why the team was bad. It wasn't like we were perennial losers.

And that's what I think rubbed a lot of us the wrong way, is like we were taking, but we had good football players anyways. I mean, we were two, again, that season. You know what's crazy about that season is I think we still had like two pro bowlers, which you'd be like, you went two and 14 and had two pro bowlers on the team?

Like how is that possible? We had your football players. We just, it was a bad, it just was a bad season because of the situation we were put in. And so that's why a lot of us, I think, took offense to what he said. I completely understand that.

And yeah. Jordan Gross was a pro bowler that season. Yeah, and I think John Beeson might, yeah, so was Beeson and so was Galil. So we had three, think about that. Two and 14, and we had three Pro Bowlers on our team. How many two and 14 teams have three Pro Bowlers? Yeah, I mean how many?

Back when it mattered by the way, like different, back when the Pro Bowl wasn't Drake-May, right, like that's ridiculous. Yeah, you were going to Hawaii at this point, yeah. What? They were actually sending players to Hawaii back then, so people cared, and there was a real game. Yeah, interesting, so then the following year, obviously cam comes in, uh, and

you would, you would like that 2010 team, like Greg Olson was there, right? There was, uh, he came the next year. Um, but yeah, I mean, I think that was an insane take. I think, uh, I would be very upset if I were you guys. And then I will say too, it also gives no credit to everybody that year who helps. And by the way, it's not like Cam Newton came in and then you guys went 12 and four. Like he came in and then it was

six and 10. And Sean McDermott was there. Obviously Ron Rivera was there who went on to have a lot more time coaching in the league. Then there were all these other guys who came in, like you mentioned, Greg Olson, and a couple guys across the defense, like this is a pretty good roster. So Thomas Davis, then the next year it's Luke Keighley. He was not the only piece that turned this team around. So yeah, that's disappointing,

and I feel like a bad friend and producer for not realizing that you were actually on that team. I should have led with that. Two and 14, it's okay, I get it. We're a bunch of losers. So that's why everyone's upset with Cam Nunes. And it is what it is. Okay, moving along.

Lessons from this season, you wanna go there first? Yeah, why don't we do that? Because this was one of my suggestions was basically, I thought a lot about the Super Bowl after it happened and I was sorta like, so Philly, Philly to me feels like one of these teams that everyone's gonna model after for a while. And I kinda feel like everybody,

like there's gonna be people who try to duplicate the commanders and Texans, but now I think people are really gonna duplicate the Eagles and one way that that's gonna happen Joe burrow was already talking about converting his salary into a bonus so that there could be a little bit more cap space Jalen hurts has like one of the lowest Quarterback cap hits in the whole league this coming year. He's like in the 20 million range For his cap hits, so that's why they're gonna be able to contend for a little while longer They're gonna be able to keepend for a little while longer.

They're going to be able to keep a lot of these guys. But I think, I just wanted to go back and forth on just sort of like a recap of what we learned this season because I think my big takeaway was, I think you need a great quarterback to get you into the rounds that matter. And then once you're there, everybody has a great quarterback and it truly comes down to, you'll like this,

O-line and D-line. And I think that that's one of those things that like people don't totally, like you, you can kind of get away with not having a good line, offensive line or defensive line if you have an amazing quarterback. The commanders are a good example. You know, Buffalo is a good example maybe. They were pretty good, especially on offensive line, maybe

not quite as much on defensive line. But I think that that's ended up being the deciding factor in the Super Bowl was the Chief's offensive line couldn't contain Philly's defense and Philly's offensive line completely dominated. And I don't know, as I watched the playoffs, like the team with the better lines, as the rounds went on, tended to win as the quarterbacks got closer and closer to even. And I think that's what I'm gonna take away into next year

as my biggest lesson of the year. What do you think of that? So I'm going through the Eagles last four drafts, okay? It's incredible, you ready? Yep. So it's the last, the top three rounds, ready? Quinion Mitchell, Cooper Dejean, Jay, it's just, I don't know how to pronounce this first thing,

I'm not gonna lie. Hunt, he's their defensive end. He almost punched an official in the face the other day, he was celebrating so much after a play, did you see that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, he almost punched a physical, the face the other day. He was celebrating so much after a play. Did you see that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, almost punched him in the face, by accident, okay. Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen, who's their sixth offensive lineman, okay.

Next year, 2020, 2022, Jordan Davis, Cam Juergens, and N'Kobe Dean. Pretty good. 2021, Devonte Smith, Lanny Dickerson, Milton Williams. So when you hit on 90% of the players in the top three rounds of the last four seasons, kind of helps you be good at football, right, Matt? Sure does.

So like you can say you wanna be the Eagles, you gotta hit all those draft picks. And even going back to the AFC and NFC Championship weekend, Eagles offensive line, Chiefs offensive line, And even going back to the AFC and NFC Championship weekend, Eagles offensive line, Chiefs offensive line, Bills offensive line. Those are three of the top five offensive lines in the NFL. Now the Chiefs obviously with Joe Tooney in left guard, where you have two all pros and a pro bowler inside there.

Like that's a good offensive line. The Bills really good this season. And we know the Eagles are really good. And when you can have impactful pass rushers on top of that, it makes it an even better football team, Matt. Like the Eagles model is continuing to draft inside. Look, again, let's talk about these positions that they've drafted, okay?

Cornerback, cornerback defensive end, okay? Pass rusher, pass rusher, offensive line. So now, again, this is the last six picks, seven picks in the top three rounds. DB, DB, pass rusher, pass rusher, pass rusher, O-line, pass rusher. Then the next year, pass rusher, O-line, off the ball linebacker.

So basically that's 10 players in the last three drafts and nine of them are impactful positions, right? We can say like impactful positions, right? Pass rusher, all-line, defensive back. Like it's not that hard, Matt, right? Like that's how you have to do it. And the cash thing is interesting because what the Eagles do, so you have a salary cap, right?

You have a floor, floor and a ceiling, obviously, but you can spend your cash differently. You can pay your players out and lower the cap hit, but you have to spend the cash to do that, right? So like, let's say that I make 50, my cap is $50 million this year. You can convert as much of as you wanted that into a bonus, pay the player out now,

and then spread that money out over years and lower the cap hit for the player. But your team has to spend the cash to do that. You have to be rich, I guess, or just like do it, and not just hoard your money. And so we talk about Joe Burrow, like he's saying, hey, I'll take less of a cap hit, but they don't have to pay him the money to do that.

And the Eagles always do that, right? They pay the players out, they make sure that, they spend the cash, they spend the cash that's needed to build a roster around Jalen Hurts. And other teams that want to be the Eagles have to do that, Matt. It's really interesting. I don't think that does not bode well for the Bengals.

That does not bode well for plenty of other teams. The Raiders are among them. You look at some of these teams with their highest paid player when it's some random defensive tackle or something. The Raiders' biggest cap hit next year is Christian Wilkins. And it's like, that's a guy who you could just pay and get the cap lower and you could go and actually,

like you could sign Kirk Cousins as a free agent or something, but that's like, that's probably not gonna be how the Raiders do it. I'm not picking on them necessarily. But you're right. I mean, I think it is really interesting looking at the draft, like the Lions draft history is similar, right?

It's Terry and Arnold this year. They drafted, they only had a, they didn't have a third round pick, but they drafted DB, DB, OL. Then the year before they had Gibbs, Campbell, Laporta, Branch, like the Aiden Hutchinson and Pascal the year before. Like this is, this all makes sense. So if I'm a team that's like close and in the mix, my commanders, of course, being one of these teams, like, you know, a team... Detroit should continue to do this, the Vikings should continue to do this, like all these teams that were kind of in the mix and hanging around, you gotta keep, you a, gotta hit your picks, but a good way to do that is by, you know, drafting the surefire,

you know, guard, the surefire interior defensive lineman who can make a real difference. And that's why I think any of these teams that are kind of on the border should consider this Miles Garrett thing. And we haven't really talked about that, but everyone is sort of talking about the commanders being one of those teams. But all the sort of teams that are in the mix, Baltimore, San Francisco has been mentioned, Buffalo, any of these teams, if you can talk Cleveland into shipping Miles Garrett over for even two firsts,

you gotta do it. Because I think if you can, when you talk about positional importance and the value of these draft picks, if you have a late first round pick for the next couple of years and you can get, you can unload two of them for Miles Garrett, I think it's a total slam dunk,

but we haven't talked about this. I'm curious if you think, if you're on the same page with me there. Look, I think if Adam Peters in Washington is not on the phone every day with the Brown general manager trying to get a deal done, he's a dummy. I mean, it's not the way that it works obviously,

but I mean, yes, he is that impactful football player that you trade draft picks for Miles Garrett. The question is obviously, does it get your team any closer to a championship? And I would, yes, he is that impactful football player that you trade draft picks for Miles Garrett. The question is obviously, does it get your team any closer to a championship? And I would argue yes. I mean, Miles Garrett is that impactful player. You saw what the Passers did this past weekend. Yes, Matt, you traded for Miles Garrett.

He's that good of a player. I think you also called Dallas for Michael Parsons and you say, what, are you willing to part with him for two first round picks? I think that's, those players are the type of players, known commodities that can really affect the game and you go get those guys. Yeah, I think so.

And I doubt Mike is on the move. I certainly doubt he would be on the move to a divisional rival, much like how Garrett would not go to say Pittsburgh or Baltimore. But it's gonna be interesting. Any lessons from you for the season before, because I have some Garrett takes? I mean,

the NFL's rigged for the Chiefs, obviously a lesson that we learned this past weekend. Yes, clearly we learned that. How about that? How about just, everyone's quiet about that. Just, no more tweets about that. The NFL being rigged, I mean, Mahomes got punched in the face

on that strip sack by Jalen Carter and there was no call. Which, look, fine, you missed calls. Like, I'm not one to be like, I should've, oh my God, I should've called that. Yeah, you should've, but like, that's the NFL. Calls get missed. Jeez. I feel like with some of these quarterbacks,

we wanna pronounce them dead a lot and they just are not ever dead. That makes sense, Matt? I think we wanna say a lot of times these quarterbacks are, Bryce Young, for example, we've had so many years and so many years and years and years of quarterbacks coming to the NFL not being good immediately, and then all of a sudden becoming much better

later in their careers. And it used to never be that way. It was never that way. I mean, Jalen Hurts has gotten better every season. He is outplayed Patten home with two Super Bowls now. He's played incredible, two Super Bowls. And I think a lot of us were like, yeah, I don't know. A lot of people around him do good things

and therefore he's less than, on a smaller scale, Bryce Young. I mean, I wrote him off. I'm sure other people did. All of a sudden, he got much better. I mean, these quarterbacks just seem to have second and third lives. I'm not sure if it's even fair to put him

in this category, Matt, but I feel like we've gotten to the point now where you can't just write off quarterbacks being terrible because they find second and third and fourth lives now. Sam Darnold, like it just, are they, is Sam Darnold gonna be a super winning quarterback? Probably not, but I was always quick to say like, this quarterback's never gonna be good

and I feel like I eat my words way more than I used to now. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, I think that one of the things that I learned about the quarterback position this year is the reason Jalen Hurts is so devastating is because when it's like third and four and everyone's covered, he can go and get you five yards. And of course, like you can go through the list

of all the great quarterbacks in the league and they can all do that. But it makes me kind of wonder about, you know, the viability of a Stafford for how much longer can a guy like that, you know, continue to matter in the league, right? Because he's not that kind of quarterback anymore. Burrow is sort of like right on the edge. You're seeing, I think as he ages, like, and that offensive line is so bad that he's having some trouble with that. But like it really concerns me about someone like Jared Goff, where, you know,

if you look at the Lions and you sort of say like, you know, he had such a bad game in the divisional loss of the commanders, like, but if he was able to do anything or even pose a threat with his feet, that whole game might've been different. And I think that it's like, you don't need Justin Fields or like, and obviously Lamar and Jayden are so athletic, but aren't necessarily,

aren't like running quarterbacks necessarily, but you need somebody who's like sturdy, who can get you those couple yards. Like there's a lot of those quarterbacks. Like Jordan Love is one of those quarterbacks, right? Like Pennex looks like he can, Baker's one of those guys. Like there's, there's lots of them. But I think that that is the, that is just the backbreaker. When you have everybody covered in a good blitz or rush, that's like got good discipline and everything's covered up. And then the quarterback just runs out

and gets you five yards on third down. You're like, what am I supposed to do? Those plays, every game I watched with the good teams, like they're killers. Like Dak Prescott used to be amazing at that. And then, and Russell Wilson used to be amazing at that. And then as they've kind of aged, they've sort of stopped being that kind of player. And it's interesting to watch as guys sort of shift

into that, like will Tua become that kind of player with all of his injury scares? Like, I'm not sure. You know, Aaron Rodgers can't do that anymore. And I just think that that's like almost, yeah. It's just like a secret weapon almost. I think one thing we learned this year too, Matt, is maybe running backs do matter,

but they only matter in certain situations. I think the running back thing, this is the thing I push back maybe the most with some of the commentary this year, is everyone says, well, the Giants were dumb to let Barkley walk, essentially, right, to the Eagles? And my response is no, they were dumb to let him walk

because they are not a Barkley away from being good. Like, Barkley is good in this offense with Philly because of all the pieces work well, and he was added to the mix where you already had an offensive line, a tight end, and two wide receivers, and a running quarterback. He was added in that mix to be the final piece. Christian McCaffrey was sort of added to a final piece

of an offense. Derek Henry was added as a final piece of an offense. Like if the running back is your offense, you're probably not gonna be good on offense. But if he's the final piece to your offense, that's where the value in that type of player is because I think the chiefs matt are missing Explosive piece from the running back like it's very clear that They need whatever that is going to be and there's plenty of players in this draft

They need to come out of this draft with an explosive young running back, but chaiko is fine as a runner but they need the home run power of someone to just with an explosive young running back. Pacheco's fine as a runner, but they need the home run power of someone to just get in space and make plays from that position. And even something, Super Bowl Barkley wasn't good. I mean, he was hemmed up, but didn't matter because just the ability to run the football and stress the defense allowed more opportunities

for one-on-one coverage in the past game which Hurch took advantage of. So to me, it's not that everyone needs a running back, it's that if you have a sort of a set offense and your pieces are good around it, adding that running back just takes that offense to a different level now where, I mean, again, like the Chiefs are really lacking.

If you look at the best offense in the NFL, and the Chiefs weren't the best this season, but the Lions have two of them. The Bills have James Cook, right? I mentioned the Ravens. You mentioned the Commanders have Brian Robinson, like the Eagles. The Chiefs have zero of that.

They have none of those players. I think they're missing that type of player on their team. Such a great point. It's like a luxury purchase. And this might lead us into our off season predictions, which I know we've thought about a little bit. So if I think there's going to be, there's basically three running backs

who I think a contending team might try to make a move for. So if you remember, okay, excuse me. Oh, come on babe. Yeah, early in the off season last year, there was a trade that seemed kind of inconsequential and I think it was a seventh rounder for Joe Mixon and he went from Cincinnati where they were going to cut him and then he went to Houston and he became a really big part of that team in that offense.

So. Alvin Camara is going to be that this year. The Saints are a very capped out team. He's clearly still got some gas left in the tank. I think one of these contending teams that doesn't have a backer, I could see him being a chief. I could see him being a commander. I could see him being like, you know, some complimentary piece on a team like maybe Pittsburgh. So there are three contenders I think there.

There's Kamara and Travis Etienne, who I think you could probably get for nothing. And then the big one is Breeze Hall, where if the Jets are basically like, hey, we're gonna strip this thing down. I don't think it would take a whole lot to get Breeze Hall. And Breeze Hall, I think in the right situation with a really good offensive line, could be unbelievable. Like Like he could be absolutely dominant like put him on the chargers

He would be insane on the chargers or one of these teams at the great front And I would just if I were one of those teams that needed an extra dimensional offense I would be trying to find one of those three guys It's a good really good point I'll follow up by saying that this is a running back heavy draft as well. So we go to, I like Dane Bruegel, the athletic. He put out his top 100. Ashton Genties, five.

Caleb Johnson from Iowa's 35. Omarion Hampton, 36 from North Carolina. Traveille Henderson, 49 on his big board, out of 100 from Ohio State. Jordan James from Oregon. Quinshaw Jenkins. Dylan Sampson, and RJ Harvey. That's seven guys, excuse me, eight players

in the top 100 running back this year. Now, you might not even have to trade for Alvin Kimmerer or Bruce Hall if you're Kansas City. Are you telling me that maybe Quinshaw-Judkins falls to the third round? If you're in Kansas City, sign me up for that, right? So I think the running back conversation is just gonna be really fascinating

because I agree that teams are gonna look at the Eagles and Ravens and Buffalo and like say, we want a more explosive option running back. And so the running backs are back, baby. I got, by the way, on radio row, I got into it with Todd Gurley out of all people because I'm not into it, but I made a comment, we were interviewing him and I'm gonna comment it, but I made a comment, we were interviewing him,

and I made a comment like, hey, the running backs are back. He's like, back from what? The, we, wait a minute, I'm like, Todd, running backs tried to break away from the union, because it was so bad. He goes, not me, I wasn't part of that group, and I was like, all right, buddy, do you wanna argue about this?

Like, we can, if you would like to. He did not like what I was talking about, right, buddy, do you wanna argue about this? We can if you would like to. He did not like what I was talking about, backs being back this season. Anything else about what you learned about the NFL this year, besides what we mentioned and then sort of bold prediction? I wanna talk about Travis Kelsey too before we get out of here. Yeah, maybe that could be your next prediction.

I'll say that Alvin Kamara gets traded to the Chiefs is one of mine. Okay, I think Kelsey retires, which is what I've said for months now. Interesting. He did not play well on Sunday. I wonder if that hit he took on the first pass that was behind him right to the ribs

affected him the rest of the game because he looked stiff, he looked disinterested at times. He just didn't play well, Matt. He looked tired, like a tired football player. And at points this year, he looked that way in the regular season, right? And in the postseason against Houston, it was good. But again, remember he got caught from behind

and that's unlike Travis Kelsey. And then he gets Buffalo, it was good. But again, remember he got caught from behind and that's unlike Travis Kelsey. And then he gets Buffalo, he did nothing. The last two games, Buffalo and the Eagles, they just pressed him, man. He couldn't get off press. He just, he's, and Matt, he's played, I think, 200 games in his career. He's played a lot of football.

But it feels like it's going downhill fast for him. Which again, is not unexpected. This isn't like a Travis Kelsey, I don't hate Travis, love Travis Kelsey, but it does feel like this was a year when he and the team pushed so hard for this third championship. And he mentioned, go listen to New Heights.

It's a great podcast, by the way. I really enjoy New Heights. Listen to mine as well, but also New Heights with him and his brother. And it's something you can hear he's thought about. You know, like it's the preparation each week, the grind each week, the off season each week. Look, last summer, he followed Terry Swift around the world.

And is it fair to say, man, he might've came into camp not in the same condition he was previous years? Maybe, he's also 35. You get older, you get harder to stay in shape, right? And also worth pointing out, last season, the Chiefs entered the year very clearly not trying to, this season, I don't know if I said last season,

this season, very clearly not trying to, this season, I don't know if I said last season, this season, very clearly not trying to rely on Travis Kelce. Ray Shee Rice, in the first three games, 29 targets, 24 catches, 300 yards, and two touchdowns. He was supposed to be the guy this season. He gets hurt, Kelce has 133 targets, and Xavier Worthy obviously gets up to speed, and Hollywood Brown, he was hurt,

and of course, they weren't trying to, I would imagine, the goal wasn't to have Juju Schuster and D'Andre Hopkins be starting in the Super Bowl for you, and Hopkins looked much older as the season went on. But Xavier Worthy went from getting, you know, seven, six, to 11, nine, nine. He ended the last three games of the regular season

with 11, 11, nine for targets. Then went six, seven, and eight in the postseason. And so they tried to have an offense this year without Travis Kelce. But Rashid Rice just got hurt. And they're never gonna cut him. They're never gonna cut, I don't think, Kelce. Of course.

But I will say, though, this is interesting because I'm not sure the Chiefs feel this way, Matt, but Kelce has been underpaid for a lot of his career for the worth he's given Kansas City. Because wide receivers, you know, tight ends are not paid as wide receivers. He's owed a lot of money this season. I wonder if the Chiefs pay him to not play,

if that makes sense. I'm not even sure how they would do that. Put him on IR, essentially. Like, oh, his ankle's hurt, it's back. He's got a disc problem, his back. We just put him on IR and we pay him out and he gets to make the money this season. But, or they do what we talked about earlier.

They give him a, they convert his salary to a bonus, Matt, pay him his bonus and then cut him. You know what I mean? Like he deserves to get that money. It's like 18, $20 million for the season, right? And like he's made a lot of money, but he's not made wide receiver money, right, in his career. And so I wonder if there's a little bit of a pull with him

like, I'll do this if you pay me out essentially, right? If you pay me, I'm not gonna walk away from $20 million when I've made 100 and I should have 200 million, let's say, right, or 150. So we'll find a way to make it work where you give me my money and I retire and we just have a break because that's what should happen right now.

That's my idea there. I think you're right. I think we were texting during the Super Bowl and you were like, Kelsey's done. And I just don't think that after the run that he's had that he is going to go out like that. I think that he obviously has bigger aims than being a podcast host in his life or being Taylor's plus one to parties. But I think

that he I think if they had won that game the Super Bowl, no question, he probably would have retired on the field. I think he would have said this was enough, but him, the whole Chiefs brand is took the first hit that it's taken in several years. And I could see some worlds where, you know, he misses camp or comes in kind of later in the season. Like the Gronk, right? Like the final season Gronk, like just like shows up in October, November. You mentioned Gronk. Kelsey and Gronk, right? Like the final season Gronk, like just like shows up in October, November. You mentioned Gronk.

Kelsey and Gronk are the same age. And Gronk retired for the first time six years ago. He retired in 2019 the first time, and then he retired again after the 21-22 season. So he's been out of the league, this will be the fourth year, which is so crazy to think about, because Kelsey is still, you know,

at least maybe not this year, but certainly last year was like the premier weapon on a Super Bowl champion. So I think the Chiefs, like you said with Rice, like they clearly have tried to diversify their offense a bit and give a few more people chances to take some of those hits and some of those targets. And I think they'll continue to do that. But I just have a feeling we haven't seen the last of him. I think it's too important to him to not go out like that. But if his body just isn't going to allow it, then all bets are off. If this was the Patriots, they would cut him.

Yeah, they would, yep. And I don't think you're gonna do that, but I think they're gonna say like, I'll put it like this, they can't go into this season as rely on Kelsey to be their number one. Like they have to put offense without him if he does play or wants to play

or is put on ice for a while and play in the back half of the season, like that makes sense, but you can't go into the season as, you cannot have 133 targets, Matt. You gotta move on from that idea. Dude, once you start thinking about retirement, you just must retire.

That's one of it too. He clearly is already thinking about it. And he's going to Hall of Fame, where he's the best patch catching tight end of all time. No question. I mean, he'll walk in the Hall of Fame in 2029, whatever he'd be eligible for, toward 2030, whatever it would be like,

immediately walk in the Hall of Fame. I'm not sure he has much left to prove. So again, I view the Chiefs next season, and I always thought this would be a transition year for them, whatever that means to anyone else. But they're not gonna champion him next season, and I always thought this would be a transition year for them, whatever that means to anyone else. But they're not gonna be a champ to them next season, in my opinion. They played a lot of football, Matt, the last seven years.

And they're due for like a nine and six or nine and seven wild card loss. Like, they're due for that. They'll make the playoffs, but I think they're sort of just like, they're gonna have a new left tackle, most likely, a new right guard, maybe new right tackle, a young running back, preferably,

an offense without Travis Kelce, gotta replace Justin Reed, they're not gonna play Nick Bolton, they need more pass rushers. They just need to cycle the players out, right, Matt? And so I think next year is a transition year for them as they get into sort of the next phase of this team with Mahomes.

I do think the discourse about Mahomes has been so premature. He's 29, why is he done? Why are people talking about him being done? This is it for the Chiefs, he's only 29, Matt, I don't get it. I do not get it. Yeah, yeah, the legacy conversations are absurd. I don't even think they're super worth even having.

But, uh. My thing about the legacy stuff is, why is it that we only talk about championship or finals games for legacy and nothing else? is it that we only talk about championship or finals games for legacy and nothing else. Like LeBron dragged terrible teams to the finals. That should not be held against him when he loses to a much better team. Jordan made it only six times.

LeBron's made it 10 times? No, I think the Mavericks year, they were upset that year. That's not great. But the idea that Tom Brady gets a pass for losing as a 14-point favorite in 2007 seems odd to me. I see the argument, well, Brady lost his thing as a 15 combined points.

Okay, he was a 14 point favorite and scored 14 points in Super Bowl as maybe the best team of all time. Right? Like, I get it, I think Brady's the best ever. But I just don't understand the argument for any of these goat conversations that we just ignore,

ignore games outside of the Super Bowl or NBA Finals. Like, Jordan got there six times. He was six and oh, absolutely. But was he ever the underdog? Was he ever the 2017 Cavs? Was it 2017? Yeah, when they beat the Warriors. He was never any of those teams, any of those guys.

So I just think like, I don't know how this question is ever framed and I think it's so dumb anyways. Yeah. He's got a long ways to go. That story, the Mahomes story is not over. He would not have been the goat if he won this. Sorry to disagree with Nick Wright.

When we're talking about, if we're talking about the body of work in a career, you're gonna have to just put some more miles on the tires just to even compete with the Tom Brady, but Mahomes is already in that like, it's like, is he better than Peyton Manning? Which is like, I think a crazy conversation to be having, you know? What is, I just don't know what better means.

Exactly. I never, like, okay, let's go LeBron Jordan thing again. And just to touch on this, I think it's very fair to say LeBron is a better player than Jordan. Is he a better winner, a better finisher, like the little tiny attributes that Jordan has that put him ahead of LeBron in my mind, like final shot of the game, give me it to Jordan, right?

LeBron is 40, Matt, and a week ago had a 40, 13, and 17 game. What are we talking about? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I just like, what does better mean? I think LeBron is a better player. Is Jordan the best player? Probably still the best player ever,

but like we just dismissed that LeBron's doing this at 40 years old because he's three in, or four in, six in finals, and not six in O. It's just so silly to me, dude. Well, look, people came to this podcast to get a take on the LeBron Jordan goatee bait. I am positive about that, but I agree with you. It's like, yeah, the game's different.

Browning Jr. last night, nine points, how about that? Yeah, LeBron, great dad. We love LeBron games different. Bronte Jr. last night, nine points. How about that? Yeah, LeBron, great, dad. We love LeBron. I was shocked that they lost last night, but it is what it is. All right, any- You got any more bold predictions? Make them quick.

No, I don't think I have anything else. I do not think- Do you have bold predictions? I do not think Miles Garrett will get traded. I do not think Mike Parsons will get traded. I don't know if it's a bold prediction. The Browns, I just don't think. If they get a quarterback, why would they trade him? I mean, that depends.

They get a quarterback, and they're absolutely not trading him. I think that after the Luka Donsich trade, you can no longer trade your best player who's in their prime. I think that every GM now is gonna be like, huh, do I want that to be my life? I do not think

that anyone will be trading a Myles Garrett or Mike Parsons, especially Mike Parsons as a result. Would David Stern had vetoed that trade? Me? I don't know. I've heard a lot of people give that take, but I think that trade reminded me of like there's always one in your fantasy league, well I know you don't play fantasy, that like my thought has always been like, Hey man, consenting adults. Like this, this was not, nobody pulled anything over on somebody here. Yeah.

And, and Anthony Davis, while already hurt is, is not a scrub. He's an all NBA player. Maybe you just value him differently. I don't, I don't think so. I think if anything, it might have happened faster because it benefited the Lakers, you know? Are you a Wizards guy? Do you have a team?

Sure, yeah, I'm a Wizards guy. But I'm gonna have to pick one LA team and Jayden has removed the possibility of me divorcing the Commandantes from reality. So I'm going to need... I'm very happy for you, by the way. I'm very happy for you by the way. I'm so happy that you have a football team. Like games in hell right now

because he's a Jets Chargers fan. Yeah, that's his fault. He could have picked the Rams. Like you could have picked McVeigh and Stafford and he went with Herbert. But goodness, is it more about his kids though? Was his kids, the kids like the Chargers? I mean the Rams were first. I don't know, man.

But you're an, or you're an Orioles baseball fan though. Right. I have that. Right. National's Orioles. Uh, yeah, I don't think you can. I, I think you can't, I don't know. I haven't decided what to do yet, man. It's going to be up to, it's going to be up to, uh, the kid. Uh, but I'm not going to make him, you know, watch, uh, who's on the wizards now, Marcus Smart. I'm not gonna make him be like, listen man, we're gonna have a great lottery pick in 2037.

Nine and 45 are the Wizards. Yeah, so I haven't caught a whole bunch of their games. Who is the best, who is the leading scorer? Let me look it up here. Do you even know who the leading scorer is? They traded Kuzma. They have a lot of names that you know. Chris Middleton, Marcus Smart. Their leading score now is probably, I don't know, Carrington? They do not have

Marcus Smart on their team. Oh, he was traded to them. Jordan Poole. Oh, Jordan Poole, of course. And Kyle Kuzma. Who's no longer with us. Yes, and Brogdon is brought on the team still Couldn't tell you I haven't watched a game Got better things to do. No, dude Even if I wanted to what am I tuning in at four o'clock to watch them play the fucking Hornets? I who cares? Well, they beat the Hornets recently Wow They won in Charlotte Jeff I fear for our remaining viewers and listeners, I think it's time to go if we're talking about the Hornets.

You don't want any baseball preview? You don't want any team totals? All right. You wanna do this again next week or what? We'll talk on our schedule now. Yeah, let's do it on the air. Yeah, dude, I think we should go until the draft at the same canons. We could even do Thursdays, I think, it on the air. Yeah, dude, I think we should go until the draft at the same canons.

We could even do Thursdays, I think, if you wanted to. Fight with me. Yeah, yeah, this is great. Well, if you're still here, God bless you. I appreciate it. I mean, this is long for us. It's like an hour. Yeah, let's get off the air, god damn it.

Talking ball. All right, we're getting off the air. Damn it. Bye everyone. See you buddy. You