Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Super Bowl Champion Guest: Ryan Jensen

Episode Date: February 12, 2021

Tampa Bay Buccaneers' Center Ryan Jensen joins the show to talk with Geoff about their big Super Bowl win, the parade that ensued, what it was like to hug his mom after the game, playing with Tom Brady and much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

it's friday february 12th with the offseason behind us we're going to look ahead to the wild nfl offseason but first guys a special treat super bowl champion ryan jensen the center for the tambay bucks is going to join us i'm jeff schwartz matt ford will be along in just a second this is jeff schwartz is smarter than you we're going to start with ryan i'm so glad to have him on repeat guest. And then if you want to hear us talk about Russell Wilson, Pat Mahomes, kind of final opt-out of this game, look forward to next season.

That's at the end of the Ryan interview. We want to get you guys started very early with Super Bowl champion, Ryan Jensen, and here he is. All right, guys, we promised you Super Bowl champion. We have one, Ryan Jensen, Tampa Bay Bucks center. Our first repeat guest, by the way, and survivor of a boat parade. Ryan, welcome in, buddy. Congratulations. Hey, Jeff, appreciate you having me.

Yeah, it's been a couple days. You sent me a picture right after he got off the boat parade. How it looked bad for Tom. It looked bad for you um but i'm sure it was a ton of fun oh yeah it was uh it was unreal um just being able to go down the go down the harbor and see the each side of the the harbor lined with with thousands of bucks fans it was uh surreal and that's i think that's when I actually had my moment of, Holy cow, we actually won the Superbowl and like, it was kind of hard to find that moment because I felt like we,

we kind of dominated the game and towards the end of the game, it wasn't a, wasn't very emotional towards the end. So, uh, I think that was my moment on the boat, just kind of like seeing all the Bucs fans, uh, line in the line, in the water and all the people on the boats. I think that's when it really hit me. It was like, holy cow, we did it. I was going to ask you about that because, you know,

it was a weird year, obviously. There weren't as many fans in the crowd for the game. The game was kind of a blowout. But was the whole experience, we'll talk about the whole experience in length, but was it what you thought it would always be? Because I've dreamt about winning Super Bowl. I wasn't able to do it.

Was it what you thought it would be? Yeah Because I've dreamt about winning Super Bowl. I wasn't able to do it. Was it what you thought it would be? Yeah, I mean, it was kind of crazy, obviously, with it being with a COVID year. And, you know, especially being in our home stadium. And, you know, both teams weren't in a hotel the week before the game. You know, I think talking to people, other people that have been there, you know you know i think talking to people other people that have been there um the experience was definitely different this year um from you know a player experience with not being at the hotel and and the the media frenzy and and things like that but uh you know the game and the after party and the celebration that was all i think about what i expected. Let's go all the way back to March.

You actually texted me and said, Hey, Tom Brady is coming to Tampa. And I was like, Oh, whatever you say, right. I'm not believing you. He's not coming to Tampa. And then 25 hours later, he did come to Tampa and we, we, we, you know, we detailed how he called you and the talent, everything. So you finally get the training camp in August, you know, new quarterback, obviously the same office that you've been in, but Bruce and Byron

Lefkowitz and Tom have kind of all worked together. When did it start to click, you think, within the offense? At what point of the year do you feel like, okay, man, we kind of got this thing going the right direction? I think the first Green Bay game was our first real dominant

performance as an offense. Defense played great, great too that game. But I feel like after the first Kansas City game, something just clicked. And I mean, when you look at stats and you look at what we did the last, you know, nine games of the year, including the playoffs, you know, you can really tell that our offense hit a different level with confidence and just performance. So, you know, it took a tell that our offense hit a different level with confidence and just performance. So, you know, it took a little bit of getting going, especially without having OTAs and, you know, no preseason and stuff like that.

But, you know, I would say that week 10, 11, 12 range is when we really started to kind of start click as an offense. You guys had the latest buy in all of football. So you had that buy, you come out, you have not lost a game since the buy. Was there something specific? Because people, I don't know if they know how buys work. You don't practice, obviously, but you self-scout, right? You go over all your plays, you figure out what you're good at,

you add and subtract from the offense. But ever since then, it felt like you took off. Was there something that you guys consciously did differently on offense to get yourself to a place where obviously you can win the Super Bowl? Honestly, I'm not really sure what changed. I feel like, you know, obviously we did all the self-doubt and you get all those reports on, you know, what you're doing good, what you're doing bad, formation, recognition, stuff like that. I feel like as an offense,

we just start performing better and doing the simple things that much better after the bye week. I know talking to a lot of the guys with a week 12 bye week, when I first heard that, I'm like, oh, that's going to be awesome. You know, it's late in the year, get your rest for a, you know, a playoff push. But man, having that late of a bye, it's hard because that's, you know, it's almost five straight months of football without a real break. So, I think I'd rather have a week nine or 10 by next year, if that, if at all possible, but you know, it's, that's, that's a long time of playing football without a, without a real break. So you, you enter the playoffs now and you have to play all road games,

right? I mean, you don't have to, but you're end up going to have to play. You're you're, you're the five seat seed what is playing with a guy like tom what does it do to help your team so i've said this and tell me if i'm right or wrong that when you have a quarterback like tom all you think about as a player is just doing your job i know it's new england's monster i get it but literally like it's that simple if you just you do your job everyone else does their job tom will do his job you win. Is that what it's like kind of playing with Tom, especially when the playoffs start? Yeah, with Tom in the playoffs and, you know, that last stretch,

you know, that was just kind of like what was preached. Like, just be who you are and do what you do. You know, do your job and good things will happen. And, you know, I know Goody, who's our offensive line coach, always used to say that. He goes, whenever you have Tom, you have a chance, no matter how the game's going. And I felt like early in the year, we weren't, we weren't starting all that, all that fast. And then late, later in the year,

especially in the playoffs, we, we started fast as heck. I think we scored on our opening drive every, every game, except for the Superbowl. so uh you know having having a guy like tom where if you do what you're supposed to do he's gonna do what he's supposed to do and it's gonna be a successful game this is a successful year how much did you guys use the underdog mentality against the saints i gotta think i didn't think you beat the packers so like i i think a lot of us thought that you guys would lose to them obviously you did not but was that was that used as kind of like fuel like hey guys no one believes of us thought that you guys would lose to them. Obviously, you did not. But was that used as kind of like fuel?

Like, hey, guys, no one believes in us. We're, you know, we're a four-point, you know, talk about the spread. But we're underdogs in Green Bay, and no one thinks we can get it done. Honestly, I don't think we really took that underdog mentality. We just did what we did, man. We just went out there and played football and controlled what we could control. And, you know, we always talk about, you know, stop, don't read the clippings and, you know, the headlines and stuff like that. Just put your head down and keep going. So I, in my opinion,

I feel like we might've used the underdog a little bit, but honestly, I know we, we didn't expect to go anywhere uh and lose so uh being able to you know go four straight you know three straight away games the playoffs and then winning the super bowl at home um i felt like there was no no doubt that we were able to do that or we were going to be able to do that let's talk about super bowl week because this is what what i'm just i'm so fascinated by this you know we had talked kind of throughout the week about the prep for the Chiefs. They were 14-1 this year, obviously, with Pamela Holmes. They ran through the playoffs.

Their defense had improved. You guys played great in the Super Bowl, only allowing four pressures on 30 snaps. What did you see right away from that defense that you thought, hey, man, our offense has a chance to do well in this game? I think it just started after, you know, the second drive. You know, we went, I think, three and out, two drives in a row or, you know, three and out of first down. And we went, you know, we punted. For us, I think we got those jitters about early, you know, the first drive, second drive jitters.

And then after that we just physically decided we were gonna be the better football team and you know there's there's a lot of a lot of talking on the field a lot of you know you know how it goes a lot of chit chat between the o-line and d-line and linebackers and stuff like that and uh you know as a as a whole as an offense um you know from tight ends the the O-line to Lenny running the ball super hard. We just went out there and kind of asserted our, our, our will on them. And I think you could kind of see that when you, especially if you rewatch the game, some of the stuff that we're doing.

Yeah. I've rewatched the game a lot. It's been, it's been very fun to watch. You made me a very smart man because I had tweeted out before the game that you, and for those who don't know, Ryan is, so if there's like a movie portrayal of an offensive lineman, that is right. He is the guy that you would expect every offensive lineman to be right. He's a little grimy is, you know, not, he's not, he's not not going to look the best in his uniform. No offense, Ryan, especially the white uniforms, right? I look in the best,

like he's got the fiery red hair and he is going to fight as much as possible out there. He's going to try to fight someone. So I said, hey, man, Ryan likes to talk. Chris Jones, the Chiefs, like to talk. Ryan's going to get Chris to punch him in the game and get a 15-yard penalty. And lo and behold, it happened. Tell us how you got Chris Jones to punch you.

It was a big 15 yards. You got scored on that drive. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how I got to do it. I don't know. I just did something about my face, I guess, you know, people just want to punch it, you know, you know, just playing hard, you know, get a little shove in the pocket. And then I looked away real quick. And then next thing I know I'm getting hit in the side of the face and then there's a, there's a penalty flag on the ground. So, you know,

there might've been a little chit chat before that and, I know I'm getting hit in the side of the face and then there's a penalty flag on the ground. So, you know, there might have been a little chitchat before that and, you know, a little extracurricular. But, you know, it's that's that's all part of the game. It's for me, at least, you know, it's who can keep their keep their cool and and not do that. That's that's my game. I don't think people realize that when someone is worried about hitting you or talking to you, they're not worried about doing their job. It actually can be beneficial to be a talker because you have to back it up obviously but like you know when chris jones is punchy like he can't be as aggressive now if he gets one more penalty he's probably out of the game so like that type of stuff helps i just love how you do the last shove

like i was taught like the last shove like it just and i love that it's part of your game and it right i mean after that i i don't i don't think i heard chris jones's game the name's part of your game. And it, right. I mean, after that, I don't, I don't think I heard Chris Jones's game, the name, the rest of the game. Yeah. You know, and that's kind of, that's kind of my game is to get other people out of their game. You know, I've, I've talked about this, O-line masterminds and you, I think you were there when I talked about it about if I can get somebody

more worried about trying to, you know, kick my ass and doing their job, then I've already won. Like the rest of my day is going to be, you know, a lot of chitchat and, and you know, the guy's not going to be as worried about trying to make plays. He's going to be more worried about trying to, you know, you know, whoop up on me. So for me, that's, that's a win right off the bat. We had talked on our show and,

and we talked to a bunch of people around the NFL and including like Brandon Thornton, Duke and those guys, about Aaron Stenney making a second start at right guard against Chris Jones. And the offensive line played great. His whole Tristan works was fabulous out there on the edge. But, you know, Aaron's making a second start, Super Bowl. We had talked about, and you said he could rise up a challenge. I thought he played great. What did you see in him?

I mean, that had to be an experience like none other for him. Yeah, without a doubt. You know third year player like aaron um i see a lot of myself in him his kind of career path um where you know he's always kind of been that guy who's been looking for an opportunity you know i didn't get my first career start until my third season um so when he you know, when Kappa broke his ankle in the, in the first playoff game against Washington and he, uh, you know, steady stepped in against the saints, who's in my opinion, one of the top, top five fronts in the league. And he went out there and balled out and played really well. And then, you know, we go to green Bay the next week and Aaron, you know, starts again, uh, plays pretty well, uh, you know, especially against a really good player who lined up on him most of the day. And then, I mean, your third year starts the Super Bowl. You know, Aaron, Aaron really stepped up and played really good football.

And I'm really proud of him for, you know, not letting the moment be too big for him. Let's talk about Tristan Wirfs. You guys drafted him at 13 at right tackle. Now, you had all four of your other offensive linemen already on the roster. The line was really good. But what did Tristan do for you guys this year? Because I think he was the best right tackle in the NFL this year. He obviously didn't get the all-pro votes for that.

But I think he was the highest grade offensive lineman. He played great on Sunday. Yeah, Tristan is one of those. I'll say he's, he's a generational talent and he is going to be a top tackle for the next 10 to 15 years, however long he wants to play. What he, what he brought was a, for me, especially being the center, like I didn't have to worry about him, you know, not, not knowing what he was doing. Cause from day one,

he was a consummate pro and he, he came in. And from the first day he stepped in the facility, not, not knowing what he was doing. Cause from day one, he was a consummate pro and he, he came in and from the first day he stepped in the facility, he was already a pro and studying the game and on the game and knowing the plays and taking that time. So with, with Tristan, man, you know, he's only 22 and he's out there playing the way he, he played this year. It's amazing. Yeah. He's, he's a lot of fun to watch. Another guy that's fun to watch, especially in the playoffs, is Rob Gronkowski.

I cannot get enough of Rob. Like, I don't know Rob, never met him. Seems like a really fun guy. He plays great in the biggest games. Like, he played, I think, his best game of the year, just kind of in totality in this game. He targeted him early in the touchdown, play action pass deep, and he can block too, right?

So, when having a guy like that in your offense um how does it how does it really functionally help you guys win i mean with having a guy like gronk who is a is a dual threat tight end you know a blocking tight end but he can also go run routes and then catch catch balls over the middle and catch the deep pass and just be a you know a splash paint playmaker. Is it, I think it's hard for defenses to figure out if we go out there and, you know, a three wide set and you have, you have him playing tight in. It's like, you go cover dude, you go cover one,

you got to bring somebody in the box because they know we can still run the ball out of that, that form, you know, that kind of personnel. So, like a player like him, even, you know know cam uh too he's a tight end but he's also a really good route runner i think i feel like it puts uh defenses in a bind because are you gonna put a sub package against them are you gonna you know you're gonna go basically against them so having a guy like like gronk and like cam really is uh i think it's it's hard for defense to game plan against that so is he that goofy in the locker room? I feel like he's not. I feel like he's like out in public.

He's kind of like the goofy Gronkowski, but in the locker room, he's not all like that. Is that true? Or is he the same guy all the time? I mean, I would explain it like this with Gronk. Gronk's Gronk, you know, the Gronk that the public knows when it's time for Gronk to be Gronk. But, you know, when it's time to work, you know, Gronk. But, you know, when, when it's time to work, you know,

Gronk turns into the football player and the professional athlete and, and goes to work. So, you know, as soon as it's time for X's and O's, you know, Gronk is, is that professional. And when it's time to mess around a little bit, it's, it's a party Gronk. So that, that's how I would, that's how I would explain it. He's, he, he's able to flip that switch and be who he is is um you know on the field and off the field I'm really glad you mentioned being who you are because I was reading an article um uh I think Sam Farmer wrote for the LA Times about Bruce Arians he interviewed him the day after the game and Bruce was talking about how

he's like Tom man like take a day off Gron, take a day off from practice, not obviously on game day. And just B.A. letting you guys be who you want to be. What influence did he have kind of in making Tom and Gronk comfortable and just like taking a day off? Because, guys, most teams let veterans take days off. Belichick obviously doesn't. It makes a big difference to take a Wednesday off in week 16. Yeah, you know, especially, you know, Tom being, you know,

55 years old or however old he is and Gronk, you know, Gronk's getting older too. I feel like you have that communication with your head coach and said, hey, I need, maybe I need individual off and I'll take all the team reps. Maybe, hey, I need, I'll take five of the 10 team reps. And that's huge for older players because obviously we know our body's the best and going out there and, you know, getting half the plays off during practice

or, you know, a whole Wednesday practice off is huge for getting your body back and making sure you get to the race on Sunday. What is it like for you with Tom preparing during the week? Because, you know, I mean, for most places, you know, we do, we install places, you know, we do, we install base and we install third down Wednesday, but there's a time when the quarterback and the offensive line meet during the week to go over pressures, right?

And I remember with Eli, he'd come and he'd run an hour meeting after practice on Thursdays. We'd go over it. With you and Tom, how was your relationship like? Because for, you know, I'll reiterate, for those who kind of don't understand, you know, the offensive line handles the run game, we point who we're going to in the past game it's a coordination between the center and the quarterback so what was your relationship like with tom during the week kind of preparing for each game we'd always we'd always kind of talk

me and him uh we would talk about uh you know the pressures that we're going to see and i know it was it was kind of nice too this time would actually talk to our offensive line coach and kind of let him know what he saw and how he felt the best way to pick that was that would be and then they would actually coordinate the the protection plan uh on monday before we even got in and um so being able to uh you know have the offensive line coach, you know, Goody and, and Tom on the same page on Monday made it that much easier when install came on Wednesday. And then during practice in between periods as an offensive line tight ends and, and a couple of the receivers, we would get, uh, some of the, you know, some of the coaches

that weren't coaching the scout offense, some of the players that weren't on scout offense. We would actually go in between periods and run through five to six pressures, you know, per, per period right there. So being able to have that, you know, quick five, six minute pressure walkthrough was huge. We started doing that after the, after like week 13 or 14. And that really, I felt like, helped us as a whole, being able to see pressures and what they do.

Well, that's when the offense got much better, too. So maybe that's a good tangible reason why the offense got better. Back to the game now. So you're up 21-9. Then you run that little – did you call that a scissors off the off the duo look or do what do you call the touchdown run the touchdown run to yeah to to four net the long one behind marpet is that a scissors concept we call it like we'd call it like a power bounce concept yeah okay all right so like the power lead uh yeah it was yeah it was awesome do all game you were do all game everyone's in the

box you pull more pet around you score a touchdown you're up 28 to 9 did it sink in then like we're winning the football game or you're still kind of in that mode of like we got to keep we got to keep going for sure you know we come off the we come off the sideline you know you celebrate for half a second then it's right back to all right we gotta we gotta keep our foot on the pedal because with a talented player like Patrick Mahomes, you know, they're never out of the game. What our defense was doing to their offense was unreal with how powerful an offense that the Chiefs have.

But, you know, it's one of those things you can't relax in a game like that, especially against a playmaker like Patrick. I mean, some of the plays that if, you know, things would have fallen a little bit better for them, it would have been right in that game with some of the improvised plays he was making. It was, it was unreal. So with a guy like Patrick, you gotta, you gotta score every time he touched the ball.

I'm glad you mentioned the defense. I think far too much of what we talk about this game is focused on what the chiefs didn't do rather than what you guys did on defense. I was so impressed watching the film back. The discipline, the physicality of the tackling, the pass rush. You know, you're not in the defensive meetings, obviously, heading up to the Super Bowl. But did you see in practice that this defense was up for the task

of taking down the Chiefs? Sure. You know, there was, you know, on Wednesday we always come in and, you know, keys to victory. You know, we talk about keys to victory as a whole team. And that was something that was brought up is getting pressure on Pat and making him feel uncomfortable in the pocket, you know, even though you kind of want to keep him in the pocket,

but you want to make him feel very uncomfortable in it. So that was definitely something that was talked about is, is just getting pressure on him. And, you know, all the, all the young players that played on, on defense, you know, Winfield is a, is a stud, you know, he had a, he had a half game. The secondary played, played lights out, especially when, you know, when Pat was running around like a madman trying to get the ball out uh with with our secondary plastering on a all

the wider receivers and tight ends it was it was a fun game to watch from the sideline yeah so that chief's offensive line was obviously down a bunch of guys um and your defensive line played out of this world i mean i just obviously going to a game like that, you'd imagine this would happen, right? But I think a lot of us felt, hey, you know, Pat Mahomes could just make it right. But at some point you just can't, right? I mean, like the offensive line,

if you guys were out your four best guys, no one's winning that game, right? I think a lot of us got it wrong, I think, for the assumption that it doesn't matter because of Pat Mahomes. But in the end, my first reaction was like, course this is gonna happen the team with the better offensive line better defensive line one um watch your defensive line go to work um must have been fun on sunday because they terrorized these poor backups yeah i'm glad i'm glad i didn't have to play them

because they were rolling you know as an as an offensive line having you know two three guys out who are high quality starters in this league you know that's that's a tough it's a tough task and for being a you know for the first half of my career being a swing guy backup guy uh you know I kind of feel for him because I know how that can that can be if you're not in a in a rhythm starting and playing a lot uh you know offensive line is a for me at least is a big rhythm game and playing a lot. You know, offensive line is a, for me, at least is a, is a big rhythm game and being able to stay in a,

in a nice rhythm and nice groove and getting thrown into, you know, a Superbowl with, with, you know, two of your best players out is, is hard. So you guys eventually take an obviously commanding lead.

You intercept Devin White, not you. The Devin White intercepts pat mahomes you go to neil to to end the game what'd that feel like man like what was your first thought because i i kneeled out some games obviously some bigger ones you know some ones that just you just blow someone out but this is super bowl you're at home you finally won the game what what was the feeling like when you when you when you walked out there just snapped the ball twice to tom Brady to win the game?

It was crazy because, you know, at the end of that game, with about five and a half, six minutes left, it was over pretty much, you know. It's never over until the fat lady sings, but at that moment you get that sense of, all right, what our defense is doing, it's over. So that kind of i think a initial um shock of of winning had already kind of passed yeah but you know running on the field after

after devon intercepted that and it you know you start looking around at the crowd and the crowd's going nuts it you know it sinks in and then you know you're in victory formation in the super bowl and you kind of look around it's like this is this is what kids dream of is lining up in yeah in victory snapping the ball ripping the knee and then then celebrating so you know being able to end the game i think we actually ended every playoff game in victory formation this this uh this postseason which is which is awesome so uh it's the best uh best formation in football i think my favorite part of the entire experience on sunday was the videos that came out afterwards of you finding your mom in the stands and so you ran it looked like you ran the opposite direction

where everyone was celebrating to the stands you you i don't know how your big ass did this but you'd hop over into the stands you ran and found your mom and gave her a big hug was that something that you planned to do was that spur of the moment obviously very important to see your family in that moment but that just felt like one of those disney movies like go find my mom and not even like just like wave to her like you literally jumped in the stands and gave her a big hug what that moment feel like man it was it was awesome uh i love my mom i love my whole family you know just being able to you know with her how proud she was yeah of just everything with this year you know just getting to the super bowl but being able to win that and just to see you know that that that proudness and how excited she was.

Like I, I, I couldn't wait until the after party to see her because with COVID and, and everything, there was only a limited amount of on-field passes. And I just, I need to go hug my mama, you know, a big mama's boy. And in that moment, I felt that's like what I needed to do. So I just said, whatever, I'm hopping up there. The security guard looked at me like, what are you and i said get out of my way i need to hug my mom and it was it was awesome um just to see her excitement and uh her being with with pride

was uh it was an awesome moment and and you have young children as well like you understand that now right like i i think my parents have always told me that you would never know how much we loved you until you had your own kid, right? So now that your father obviously like going to hug your mom, like you get it, you get why she's so proud. So that moment was awesome. There were many different camera angles. There's one, I don't know, was that your family recorded for like the third deck? There was someone like, there he is, there's Ryan. Like it was, it was, it was fantastic. Yeah, it was one of my uh one of my friends here

in here in town he's he's lived in Tampa his whole life and when I signed down here I met him and uh yeah they're up in a up in a box and they're kind of uh my kids unofficial Tampa grandparents so it's nice it's pretty cool that they were able to be there too so the one thing I regret uh my career is that not that I didn't have my son earlier but my son never got to enjoy kind of the life of a football player right he i retired when he was two so your son got to be in the field after the game um there was image of him with his helmet on with you guys playing in the ground um how fun was it to spend that moment with him you never get that back obviously it just was it was so cool for sure and it's you know with with the

season it's been it's been really hard on on people's kids because normally on Saturday at least in the two organizations I've been with it's it's bring your kid and family to work day on Saturday they come and watch you they watch you do uh walk through on Saturday morning and then they they come out and run to you on the field and you know you mess around and play on the field for a little bit and with COVID and nobody being able to do that this year that made it that much more special because all he ever wanted to do after a game was go onto the field and play with the ads so being able to do that at the Super Bowl you know it's just uh it's an amazing moment and um I don't know if he fully understands yet he's

only three yeah but you know in five six seven years when look back at those pictures and that moment i think it's gonna it's gonna really sink in for him well i think he will he will definitely remember and are that a couple other fun moments from the game uh that i just joe haig poor fella the six off that's why i'm in um they so tj lang and i you know tj we were talking the day before the game we're doing a show together and he said we're talking about props and he's like there's a prop plus 2 000 for an offensive lineman to score we're like plus 2 000 should be plus 200 000 like this offensive lineman is not going to score in the game and you guys threw the ball to an offensive lineman.

Now, it wasn't his fault. It was a great, I think Hitchens broke it up. Like no one, no offensive lineman was catching that ball, right? It was knocked away. But dude, what did he, what pressure did he feel? This is the, this is the super, like, you know, we have these plays up every week. They don't always get called, right?

This got actually called. Did he tell you how he felt in the huddle in the moments before they snapped the ball when he got his he felt in the huddle in the moments before they snapped the ball when he got his number called the super bowl i mean it was we'd practiced that play for probably three or four weeks there was actually another one that we were going to call at the end of the game ended up not um but you know he was he was nervous all week but we all trusted he was going to do it and then if you would have just if you would have held on to that ball that might have been one of the best, like,

offensive line big man touchdowns you'd ever seen, hocking it over a linebacker and all that. And he had it. And then he – I know he was worried. I talked to him after about it. He was worried about catching it and then tucking it too fast and then knocking it out of his own hand. So he was like, I'm just going to catch it with my hand

and I'm just going to leave it there. Well, he had it. And then, you know, that made a great play i love how like it's an offensive lineman we're talking about like god just i'm gonna i'm gonna like you know mike evans i'm gonna high point it just leave it up there but it's like dude just catch the ball who cares how you knock it out of your own hand oh my god poor guy he was like oh i was like oh that would have been that would have been um uh amazing i was watching inside the nfl um and it's fun to laugh about now because you guys won but when that snap went over brady's head he gave you a death stare i took a picture i'm gonna send you the

picture he gave you a death i think it was you i don't know who else it was he gave you a death stare have you gotten many death stares from tom brady this year it looked like a stare that um i would never want to see from a quarterback yeah i think that was the first time i've had had that look um you know oh yeah oh i saw it yeah it was it kind of scared me a little bit you know the camera like legit panned in on his face it was inside the nfl he like looked up at you like because it was 28 to 9 like you guys i mean that was like the only mistake there was and he was like you motherfucker yeah that was

scary yeah that was just it happens yeah it happens you know it's just the cadence got a little it's got a little wacky because we're kind of pitching against the time and yeah just the cadence kind of scared me and you know I snapped the ball a little kate it's got a little wacky because we're kind of pitching against the time and yeah just the cane it's kind of scared me and you know i snapped the ball a little too hard

funny to laugh about now if you if you guys had lost i probably wouldn't have brought this up but since you won by so many points it just the death stare was was pretty fun so yeah no it was great so you guys win you get in the bus you go party i've talked about the chiefs party last year um how was uh how how was the super like i my recollection of the chiefs party last year. How was the Super Bowl? My recollection of the Chiefs last year, a lot of players left the party to go live in nightclubs, which you can't really do this year. But everyone just, the staff and the players just seemed like relieved it was over.

Was that the sense you got at the party? You were happy you won, but everyone was like, oh, it's just done. We won. Yeah, for sure. That's huge uh especially this year with all like the sacrifices everybody had to make with not you know go eat at restaurants and see family and go have fun you know outside of outside of football i know there was people were just letting loose um and it was it was it was an awesome party um And that was like the first time, you know, I had been out

and been in really in public besides going to the grocery store or something like that since early July, late June. So go out and just be out and having fun out in public was, was a huge, huge relief that it was over. And now we kind of can go back to somewhat of a of a normal life so I know that was a the feeling for a lot of people was man we're glad the season's over because now we can actually go kind of enjoy enjoy ourselves again yeah you know I um I didn't know the season would would finish I thought it would start which obviously did but I I just didn't know and look everyone I think did an incredible job at every level. The NFL did set everything up, the front office, the training staff and you guys as players.

How tough was it to just stay disciplined all year? Because like you mentioned, you couldn't really do anything. Now, I think football players generally are more inclined to other professional sport athletes to, to like be more disciplined, right? More team oriented a little bit. But it had to be tough, right? I mean, were guys bitching about it? Was it just more grind than usual? How'd the whole process go this year? I think, I think the grind was a little bit harder this year because, you know, we didn't really have that outlet of being able to do a bunch of different stuff outside of work. outlet of being able to do a bunch of different stuff outside of work. But for us, I know, you know, BA brought it up early was, you know,

with what we had as a team, the only thing that was going to was going to beat us was the virus. And, you know, we, we kicked its butt. We didn't have very many. I think we, I think we had less than 10 players the entire year that tested positive with it was huge. But for sure, it's tough not being able to go in, you know, have your family in town and take them out to dinner. You know, you're in your house all the time. I know for like date night and stuff, we'd go pick food up and go sit in my car and watch Netflix in the car just to get out of the house.

You know, we couldn't go really sit at a restaurant. They said we could go out to restaurants and sit outside but you know it's just it's just to me that was it's still a bad look in case something were to happen but uh yeah for me it was it was it was a grind for sure this year um but i feel like we uh we as a whole as a team we we did really well so to avoid your son and to avoid obviously being out in public, you guys sat in your car with takeout food watching Netflix? Is that what I got there?

Yeah. And this is a weekly date night? Yeah, it's a weekly Tuesday night. You couldn't find like a park bench somewhere? There's no like park bench? Well, here in Tampa, it's so damn hot all the time. Oh it's oh so if you wanted the ac off of the car engine was yeah i mean come on 320 pounds i can't be sitting out there sweating my ass off eating you know nobody likes sweating while they eat i would like i would go find my wife we go like sit at a park bench

outside her work sometimes and have like a date but i never i, I never, so that's Netflix and dates. I love it. That's, that's, that's made the best of it. So what are you looking forward to most this off season? Obviously now it's going to be, you know, you're not going to get, I think the same Superbowl experience, maybe other teams have had because of COVID, but you, I assume you go back home. So it's the longest you've ever played during a season. What are your plans now for the off season?

For me, it's just going to go have some fun, get back to Colorado, relax a little bit, you know, take usually, you know, when I'm not playing in the Superbowl, which is the first time ever, the week after the Superbowl is usually when I'd get back to start training again and getting ready for OTAs and just get my body back. But now I think you've got to take a little bit of time after a 20-week season to get healthy and just kind of relax and have some fun.

So for the first month, who knows? I've got a couple side-by-sides I'm going to go have some fun with and go camping and just relax and have a good time. What are you going to buy with your Super Bowl bonus? I don't know. I got a new trailer for my new 30-foot enclosed trailer that fits my side-by-side. So I bought that.

Then I actually bought the side-by-sides this this season so i'm gonna i'm gonna consider that my my super bowl bonus uh purchase my wife was a kid she wants to camp too i'm just not a camp person man like i'm just a city kid like i just the idea she's like let's get a camper just like go around the country go you could just just go without me i'm just like so so you go out in the wilderness and just you just hang out you bring your food you hunt your food like you just bring food you glamp you glamp uh still tent camp usually uh you know as a family like in-laws and my parents we have this big uh like it's like a 30 person tent okay rooms and you know what would put a wood stove in it it's it's pretty

sweet a 30 person tent yeah so it's it looks like a it's probably a yurt it's a yurt essentially is what it is but it has separate oh you basically have like a you you have, you have like a, you have like a party tent. Yeah. It's pretty much party barge. It's a party tent. Oh, well that's like, that's like glamping. Oh, here's one 48. This is incredible. Now I'm looking up now. I'm gonna just spend my afternoon looking up different tents. I can take my whole family. So I don't have to see them at all. All right, right. I'll let you go with that. That's fantastic.

Thank you for coming on. Congratulations again. Awesome win. You guys, it was fabulous. Look, obviously I'm a Chiefs fan, but watching the defense and your offensive line work was great. I'm glad you recovered from boat parade. Oh, by the way, lastly, Tom threw that Lombardi trophy. People don't know, only weighs seven pounds. Were you surprised by how light it was? I was a little surprised when I first grabbed it.

Because it's hollow. I thought it was solid. I asked my brother that last year. I said, oh, it must be 30 pounds. He said, no, it's seven. Yeah, it was a little weird because I went to pick it up, and I about threw it through the roof, about threw my shoulder out. I was like, this is all the ways?

What's going on here? I thought it was solid, but it's actually hollow. I was really surprised by that. I feel like Tom was a little dramatic with the toss. He made it seem like it was much heavier than it was. I mean, that was a pretty good distance. That was about a 15-foot throw. Would you have caught it?

I mean, at that point in the parade, I was having enough trouble catching beers that were getting hucked at me at 60 miles an hour. So I probably would have either gone through my hands and hit me in the face or it would have just bounced off my hand into the harbor. That's incredible. All right, buddy. I appreciate you joining us. Congratulations again. And enjoy your off season,

man. You, you learned it. Appreciate you for having me. All right. Thanks you, bud. Boom.

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Most reliable based on RootMetrics UL's report. Results vary. Non-endorsement. Well, that was fabulous. I'm really, really glad for Ryan. He's a great guy. Glad he won the Super Bowl. Some good stories there as well. Obviously, it was emotional. Talking about his family, which I'm not surprised as one would be. I'd be emotional too in that situation. My family got to see me in that spot.

And yes, I have looked up tents all day now. I'm fascinated by things of that sort. Nick called it some Harry Potter show. I don't know what that means. I'm not nerdy, Nick. Producer Nick. So I don't know what that means. No idea. But let's talk with Matt. We'll talk about everything we just mentioned at the start of the show. A little bit of autopsy

funeral. Russell Wilson. Quarterbacks demanding trades. Where does everyone end up? And just an off-season preview. All right, here's Matt. All right, Matt, the season is over. I have not talked to you since the Super Bowl. We've talked privately, obviously, but not on air.

How are you? And wow, surprising, right? I think so. I mean, what's funny is I feel like I owe the listeners a brief apology because when we were on air last week, I listened to it back. I was kind of lukewarm. Like the whole two weeks, I was like, yeah, it's the Chiefs. And then you kind of like everybody knew the Chiefs line was in shambles. And then you kind of like walked me through piece by piece each person.

And you were like, this is a real problem. And I almost changed my pick on air which i believe i told you and i didn't because i wasn't gonna just like immediately waffle on air i ended up betting the bucks money line on sunday and i did i did chase with the chiefs live a few times but uh i did bet that the bucks money line and right away i was like oh man i'm i'm an idiot i should have done it on the show um but i will say a lot of the a lot of the picks we gave out actually ended up hitting um including ironically my one about the team to score first uh will or the team that scores first will not win it It was the Chiefs. It was the opposite of what I expected. Tom Brady did throw a first quarter touchdown.

So I ended up having a great first half. I bet all these things that end up hitting. I bet Gronk score the first touchdown. I had Byron Pringle over a reception or half a reception, which he got on the first play and then no other targets. It was a beautiful betting day for me. But if you followed me on the show, you probably didn't do quite as well so sorry about that um i i was listening to um simmons podcast on monday and he said that i think sal said it on the podcast

that um the book's biggest liability was the gronk first touchdown they lost a million dollars over a million dollars on that touchdown that was one of the biggest liabilities. Look, I was in a weird spot because I obviously have to kind of pick the Chiefs. I don't really have a choice. But I bet on Tampa because... And I've done that before, by the way. I did it for the AFC Championship game in 2018 where I bet on New England

and said the Chiefs would win. Because guess what? That was always going to happen. Like, that was the thing. And I try to make it as clear as possible without saying it. Like, guys, offensive lines do matter. And this was going to be a game where the mismatch was so heavily tilted to one side that it was kind of always going to be this way.

And we thought Pat Mahomes would overcome it, and so did I. I've been getting heat for, like, picking the Chiefs, but kind of really liking the Bucs. And we did a show, my pregame show with Fox Sports on Sunday. I'm wearing a Mitchell Schwartz jersey. I'm wearing my Chiefs hat, and I only wanted to take Tampa plus three on the entire show. Wow.

Everyone took Chiefs minus three. And I was like, guys, like, I'm kind of telling you, like, I'm giving you a hint here as best I can. And one of them was like, oh, Chiefs are going to win by two or one. I was like, sure thing. Like, I just, I just had a feeling. But the narrative coming out of this, Matt, before we get to some offseason topics,

Russell Wilson, Tyler Haneke, some other things, is that we've taken the attention from where it should be in this game, which was the Bucs played so good on defense. I cannot explain to you enough, as an offensive guy, how impressed I've been watching the film. I've watched the game three times now. Every time I watch it through again, I find something else Tampa did well. They just played so good on defense.

Andy Reid and company, we talked about in that episode previously to this one, just did not game plan it very well. They expected one thing. It didn't happen. And it's really hard to adjust. They tried to adjust. They tried running a bunch of it, just did not work. The attention has turned to everyone trying to tear down Pat Mahomes since then.

And I get it, right? Most of the time when a team does not play well on offense, you blame the quarterback, right? They have bad throws. They're not accurate. Matt, this is not all what happened in this game. If you have a list of things that went wrong in this game, Pat Mahomes is at the very bottom of it.

I went through the film. He missed Hardman. I mean, I went through, like I said, the film. He missed Hardman. I think it was Hardman on the first drive, right? Yeah. That was like it. That was it. Right. One time on a screen, he threw the ball late

because the guy was in his face. But that was it. Like, he played really well, guys. And it's hard to admit it because they lost and people want to knock down the greatness. They don't want the next GOAT to be here and they they really hate that us in the media are in awe with what pam homes can do but i don't think i have to defend them but everyone who watched the game said he played well everyone knows what they're talking about said he played

well but yet user 87898 turned on twitter is like he's a bum like guys maybe trust everyone i saw lewis riddick talk about Darren Lofsky. I mean, the times, I mean, Robert Mays, I've seen all of them talk about how well he played except random people want to hate on him. Yeah. I mean, to think that that game is on him. I mean, even people who I talked to who aren't sophisticated football fans at all, just, you know,

people who don't even watch football are like he's running for his life constantly. Like it was the one game where it was so obvious like for once i mean i guess this only happens when things go badly like people really notice the offensive line play like for kansas city like they just could not keep up and you know to tampa's credit like they they played a great game and and people are upset that we're talking about that incomplete pass he had right the daryl williams first of all i was like uh yeah i i don't think devin white actually was had the ball in this like close to i think it went above his hands that's not the point of it but we do realize that we're talking about it in context of the throw not really if devin white could have caught it or not

right he was parallel to line of scrimm, Darrell Williams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that hit him in the face. Through the ball, off of his face. Right. Like, it's an incredible throw. So, I just want to make that clear. I wrote an article for Fox Sports. It'll probably be out by the time you can listen to this. You go read the version of this as well.

I'm just kind of explaining, like, look, here's the affairs of the Chiefs' offense. We've been over them many times. You know, they didn't really adjust the offensive line. They game-planned for zone. I mean, man got zone. They helped the offensive line too much. It's all in there.

Average time to throw was like 3.5 seconds. Yeah, you think? One time the offensive line got beat under two seconds, and he ran for nine more seconds. Like, you cannot use average time to throw as a measure of how this game went for Pat Mahomes. Yeah. Well, two more quick things about this game.

The first is somebody compared Russell Wilson's first three full seasons to Mahomes', which is interesting. They both made it kind of far in the playoffs. I forget exactly where Wilson went. Then they won the Super Bowl in their second year then they lost the super bowl their third year interesting i mean wilson we're going to get to in a second but kind of an interesting path because what i learned from this super bowl is repeating as champions in the nfl is so different than any other sport it is it's. The margin for error is so small.

Like, if you think about all the things that went right for the Chiefs this year, like, of course the offensive line injuries were a problem. The fact that Duvernay Tardif opted out is like a once-in-a-lifetime thing. I get that. But they got a full season out of Hill, a full season out of Kelsey, a full, you know, Mahomes was banged up, obviously, but, like, on that defense, there are, are like four guys that do all the lifting right it's chris jones it's matthew it's sneed at the end of the year and you know a few more guys who you know breland's like

these positions these guys that are good but they were all pretty healthy everything kind of did break right for them and it's still one or two things go badly and they're a mess. Like for anyone who thinks Tampa is going to repeat next year, like let's see if they can, let's see if they could be healthy across the board. Right? Like Gronk didn't miss any games this whole season. Like what are the chances of that?

Like Mike Evans had an injury that looked really serious in week 17. He ended up being fine. It's just to, to, to win, you can be as good as you want there's so much luck involved and it's uh it's really it's kind of amazing when you think about it and you know we all think the chiefs all they'll be fine they'll be back their offensive line will be healthy like

some point tyree kill is going to lose a step then what like at some point yeah i don't know like it's just hard to do this every year. It's a very good point you made. And I think I've said this many times. What Tom Brady has done has skewed the way we view winning championships. That's right. And you're right. And I've said this before about the Chiefs.

Even last year, right? Think about what happened last year. Two years ago now, I guess. Two years ago, right? They were about to be the three seed and have to go through New England and Baltimore to get to the Super Bowl. Instead, the Dolphins go up to Gillette and beat the Patriots, upset them, which hasn't happened, what, since like 20 years

they won in New England? Yeah. And the Chiefs got the two seed, and then Baltimore lost, and they got to host a home championship game. And you're right about the injuries. They have had, for the most part, you know, Mahomes dislocates his knee, only missed two games.

Like, they've been pretty healthy. Now, obviously, Eric Fisher's out. My brother's out. The offensive line's a mess. And yet, now you're getting into your point. They're going to have to start replacing some of these players eventually. So, like, who's next Travis Kelsey? Who's next Tyreek Hill?

And, again, these guys can play for five to seven more years. I'm not saying they need to be replaced. But you're going to get to a point where you're going to have to figure out who are the next guys. Guys, Pat Mahomes is having major toe surgery. He's having a toe. Like, it's. I just think. Today.

Yeah. It's a good example of trying to win when you have to. I thought people talking about the Chiefs winning or Mahomes getting to like five plus Super Bowls. That's ridiculous. That's a lot Like that's, that's a lot to do. John Elway obviously did it, but he did it kind of in chunks of his career,

right? Kind of in the middle. And then the very end really more at the beginning of the very end. So, you know, Jim Kelly went to four in a row. That's, it's hard to do.

Like it's, it doesn't happen very often. Yeah. And, and the Chiefs, you know, their defense this year kind of got propped up by the offense a little bit, I think, and got a little bit exposed in that game as well. So sometimes losing a game like this can help rebound, refuel. This year we talked a lot about how they didn't finish games very well.

In the end, I feel like that was very important in this game. Kind of got behind, started off slow, tried to come back in the game, and it couldn't work because they faced a pass rush. I will say this, Matt. The idea that, like, the Bucs have found the formula to beat them. Yeah, if four of the top five offensive linemen are out, if Pat Mullen has a toe injury, like, yeah, yes, yes, that's the formula to beat them.

The refs call all those defensive holdings. Yeah, they're going to be back next year. They're the favorites when the Superbowl again already. Like there's a reason why they are because they're that good. Yep. Yeah. I mean, I completely agree with that. Anyone.

I mean, and also, by the way, good luck with that formula. Sign the best quarterback of all time is a free agent hit on Devin White. Get all of your, like so many good draft picks. Every free agency signing seemed to work. Let's see if they can do it again next year. Like they might not be a playoff team next year. Who knows?

This is the NFL. That's why we all, that's why we follow it. And we love it. Yeah, you're right. I want to move to, I mentioned Russell Wilson's name before. I'm curious what you made of his comments this week, where he, I don't have them directly in front of me, but he basically said like,

I'm getting tired of getting hit so much he's frustrated um the first time we've ever really heard russell wilson complain um i'm curious what you what you made of this yeah um he's been pretty quiet um you know people believe that his agent is especially in seattle the one pushing a lot of this stuff they want him to either you kind of you know in you know, people believe that his agent is, especially in Seattle, the one pushing a lot of this stuff. They want him to either, you know, kind of, what's the right way to put it? You know, use his power, his influence to try to, you know, make the team better and voice his anger, right, to the media. So sometimes the players only have that avenue, right?

You can tell Pete Carroll and John Schneider all you want. Hey, you know, I want these guys there. But, you know, sometimes the media is the way to do it. And we saw, look, I think after the Super Bowl, it's like you watch the Super Bowl. Yeah, I want better alignment. That's how we're going to have to win this thing. Yep. Totally get that.

The one thing that I did not understand was the idea that players should be involved in player evaluations and player signing because in people's argument is, is that, yeah, of course, because you know, they get paired, players get paid a lot of money. Of course they should be part of the discussion.

What, what, why? There are industries. If you get paid a lot, you're part of discussion too. I mean, you'd be part of the discussion,

but we're not watching film and other players. We just watched the four games we're about to play. And we're not watching film and other players we just watch the four games we're about to play and we're not even watching to scout anyone we don't know the salary cap implications we don't know how you're developing the younger players on practice squad we don't know any of this why would we want to be part of that of that decision making process it's it's you know i think i set myself apart a little bit from the rest of my former athletes. And really from the media in general, I think. I'm not always pro player.

I'm not always rushing out and defending players. I know it's a bad take by Russell Wilson. Players should not be involved in personnel decisions. Can they ask for your opinion? Hey, Russell, do you know this guy? Should we sign him? Be my guest but the idea that like we should be actively involved in making decisions on who to sign at cornerback when you're or at safety or linebacker when you're the quarterback no it's

not your job buddy not your job at all that's really interesting i mean i i it's funny that didn't like jump out to me as part of his remarks. What I thought was kind of funny as he wins the, the man of the year award. And then like the next day he starts trashing his team, which like, I just found that to be like so intentional. Right. Like, and by the way, intentional. Correct. Yeah. But by the way, I actually think this reminded me a lot of what Aaron Rogers has sort of been doing and saying.

And I think they're both right to say this like first of all wilson has uh he has been hit a lot right like he's he leads the nfl and sacks taken since 2012 by 40 like that's a significant amount i think he's been i think he's been sacked 394 times yeah i mean it's just it's crazy and you know part of that's on him i'm sure but uh you know he's he's been hit a lot and i think what he's basically saying is i feel like him and aaron rogers both kind of understand better than their teams that their window is short and it seems like both the packers and the seahawks every year are kind of this like they're they're always going to contend but they're not taking the steps when you look at a Tampa or a Kansas City where they go all in where they're

just like we're in you know this this happens more in the NBA where like you see the Clippers or the Lakers or whoever just like push their chips in and signal to everyone including the team like now's the time and the Seahawks just have never really done that I think it's worse with the Packers but Seattle it's like what are we waiting for yeah you know basketball is just much easier to do that right you get Anthony Davis all of a sudden you're an elite team I mean the NFL we've seen dream teams before right the Eagles in what 2012 now like the idea of a dream team doesn't really work like you have to kind of drag look at tampa tampa has drafted mike evans chris godwin cameron brate the whole you know most of their offensive line they obviously added ryan jensen they added gronk

as a free agent but jen's been there a couple years now at center um antonio brown uh you know defense levante david devon white guys you know they brought in jpp and shack barrett on the kind of the cheat they brought in sue draft to vita vea whole secondaries draft so like you it has to be a combination of both it can't just be like we're gonna go get seven guys in free agency that doesn't you know because most teams, you know, they sign their best players back because they want them that badly, right? They find a way to get it done. Most guys that hit free agency, and there's reasons, right?

If guys want to cash in somewhere else, someone will pay them more. But, you know, how many times do we see Hall of Fame players in their prime? Like, really elite difference makers in their prime. Maybe not Hall of Famers, but elite difference makers in their prime maybe not hall of famers but elite difference makers in their prime switch teams like almost never because they stay at home and how how can you build up to for agency as well as the draft you really can't so i i get why teams haven't done it now the packers should be drafting wide receivers to help rogers like that's the i mean we can talk about the draft picks right like seattle drafting off the ball linebackers should be drafting wide receivers to help Rodgers. Like, that's the, I mean, we could talk about their draft picks, right? Like, Seattle drafting off-the-ball linebackers in the first round is pretty silly when you need to address. Like, they're not doing, I think, in my opinion, what they need to do in the draft.

Fragrancy is probably not the answer for either one of them, though, either. I agree with that. But I think, look, you don't need a Hall of Famer necessarily. Like, how do the Seahawks still not have a tight end? Like, how many years has it been since Jimmy Graham this year yeah like Greg like that's the best you can do like how many they've drafted more running backs than offensive linemen in the past five years and they still only have Chris Carson who's great but like I mean how many more carries does that guy

have in the tank like the offensive line they've they've drafted i think six in the last five years or five in the last five or something like that and they drafted one a lot last year and he ended up starting but like they they they can't solve this and if i'm wilson it's like guys like go sign top level guys and then like fill in with these draft picks like they they've seattle weirdly has been able to draft superstars like they you know from Richard Sherman to yeah DK Metcalf like Russell Wilson obviously like these guys that they're able to get later but they aren't pushing all their chips in and if I'm Russell Wilson and I'm like guys I'm getting the shit kicked out of me every year like why

like can we please go sign Alan Robinsoninson i'm tired of throwing to david moore for the eighth straight season like let's go like let's go all in like how many more years do i have to take this like i that's very that's fair yes that that's very fair as a criticism of seattle like they you can target people like specific positions every now and then help you for agency plus you could draft better too yeah yeah they just have to be like better at self-scouting i think because uh they're further away they seem pretty far away still um and that's inexcusable when you have a top five quarterback for this long i agree well speaking of top five quarterbacks should we talk about the biggest quarterback news in the nfl which was the re-signing of Taylor Heineke by the Washington football team Wednesday,

two years, nine million. I mean, should I start buying my Super Bowl 56 tickets or what do you think? You know what? God bless him. One start, 60 snaps, life-changing money. Only in sports, dude. Yeah.

I mean, I saw someone tweet out, they thought he'd get more. More? He played one game. He's not going to get more. They're not going to Matt Flynn him anymore. No one does that anymore. But good for him, man.

There's nothing to say. I said when it happened, he's a backup, a future backup. Yep. And he got paid like a backup. Good for him, man. There's nothing to say. I said when it happened, he's a backup, a future backup. Yep. And he got paid like a backup. Good for him, man. That's interesting. Yeah.

I mean, I think he got really lucky in that Tampa Bay ended up winning the Super Bowl. Like, he had a better game against them than Patrick Mahomes did. Like, he had a very good game. And sure, it was one game. But, you know, he came in without a start before or without a start in this offense and uh and played pretty well um what i like about this is i like i'm surprised you're not making fun of me for being a little bit excited about it you should um what i think is that this buys them an offseason potentially like between the the the broken down carousel of smith kyle allen and heineke

like they don't have to do that thing that the seahawks should be doing and say like okay we traded it wouldn't be carson wentz but we traded two first rounders for carson wentz like we're in let's go like this buys them another offseason to sort of like build that team around them and you know not have to overpay for someone that's not a perfect fit it does but you're probably winning four games with him next season which i guess will be fine with you right because then you'd be in a you know a um is he worse than haskins and smith like they won seven with with that squad yeah you're not winning with you're not winning many games

with tyler haneke alex smith is much better than him alex smith obviously i think should retire but um i it's one game man it's just there's just it's just one game yeah i don't know i don't think he'll end up being the starter and i do think that if alex smith does stay uh part of the reason you have alex smith is so all the other quarterbacks get that experience of like being around him um so maybe he'd benefit from that too but i i do think they'll make one more move but i'm glad they at least have an option um i'm glad he got paid like i again good for him okay so not not a lot of strong takes on taylor heineke i i'm there's nothing to say i he's just a backup um okay well i mean we've we've obviously got a super bowl champ to that that has taken up some

time uh for listeners this week is there anything else you want to hit wait i think we'll maybe the first podcast anyone to get a super bowl champion on and i'm glad he made me look so smart i tweeted out about two hours before the game ryan jensen get Chris Jones to punch him and it happens we're having a great offseason on this show and it's not the only podcast I'm talking about we're having a great offseason so please stay tuned all that