Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - The Chiefs are Going Back to the Super Bowl

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

Geoff and Gabe are back to celebrate the NFL rigging the AFC Championship game for the Chiefs. Thanks Roger! Plus, the Eagles are an absolute buzzsaw, and Geoff tells you which Super Bowl narratives matter before you have to hear them all a million times.On Moving the Line, we check up on KT and Eli Apple's Twitter battles, and will Stetson Bennett's rough weekend affect his draft stock?If you're a fan of the show, be sure to leave a comment or a rating, or tweet @geoffschwartz to tell him what you think.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

it's monday january 30th i'm jeff schwartz alongside gabe goodwin this jeff schwartz is tomorrow new powered by the varsity podcast network the aftermath of championship sunday gabe the film is downloading right now i'm gonna watch all the film today on monday as we talk about these games the eagles win handily as the niners ran at quarterbacks and the chiefs surpassed the bangles in a wild game that i'm sure we'll spend most of this podcast talking about because the first game, honestly, not much to get into.

The Eagles kicked the Niners' ass. Wasn't much to that game. We'll spend a lot of time on the Chiefs and Bengals, a lot of time on subjects that are just not fun to talk about because I don't know how you guys watch football. I must watch it a lot different than you guys watch football games. Eagles-Chiefs. Can't wait. Very quickly, the Eagles might win this game by a lot of points.

We'll find out. Eagles are really good. So we'll see how this goes, Gabe. How are you, buddy? No, I'm not buying that. I'm sorry. This is a show where you're not going to be allowed off the hook quickly, Jeff. You're not doing this reverse jinx crap in the first minute of the show.

No, dude. The Eagles off the defensive lines, buddy. They just shut down the 49ers defense, the line. They're good. The Chiefs, I don't know how they're going to make Jalen Hurts uncomfortable in this game. Okay. Chris Jones looks like he can make quarterbacks uncomfortable. Yeah, he can.

But the problem is the Eagles have five pro bowl offensive linemen. The Colts have zero. I don't know. A couple of them looked hurt to me. They got dinged up in that game. Their left guard did get hurt. Okay, we'll get to that in a little bit. Dude, a two for two with points.

I just made two real points about football. No, their left guard did get hurt. But Chris Jones doesn't go there quite often. But is he going to play? It's two weeks from now. Dickerson's not going to play, but Chris Jones doesn't go there quite often. But is he going to play? It's two weeks from now. Dickerson's not going to play, but Dickerson plays. Got a lot of time to get healthy. A lot of time to get healthy.

You know what's great about the Eagles' offensive line, by the way, is that they have, I believe, all eight guys that play for them are all eight guys they drafted, which is wild. It's wild. That is fun. That's wild. That is fun. They have a first-rounder, Andre Dillard, who they benched. They have a benched first-rounder. How bad would the Colts want a first-round offensive tackle

to play last night against Kansas City Chiefs? That's how good the Eagles are. The Eagles, by the way, have drafted most of their defensive line as well. Now, Riddick was an addition, but Fletcher Cox and Hargrave, like they have, it's incredible. They have drafted up front Brandon Graham as well. And no surprise, the team with the best offensive line in the Super Bowl. By the way, the NFL's rigged.

It's rigged. Both one-seeds make it. The two quarterbacks that were top of the MVP leaderboard all season, guess what? They're in the Super Bowl. The team of the two best record in the Super Bowl it's rigged for the best teams to win Gabe how dare the NFL rig it for the best teams to mean the Super Bowl those dang NFL front office riggers well you're you know you're saying sarcastically, but one of the biggest voices in all of sports media who watches these games and cares like the most supercharged fan on Earth is Bill Simmons. And Simmons was on one last night.

By the way, we're releasing this Monday, which is rare, but we want people to be able to hear this right away. He was on one. He said, you can't call the late hit on mahomes after you ignored the late hit on burrow a few minutes earlier those refs were horrible they weren't even fishy bad more completely incompetent bad great work at nfl you know obviously people i don't know exactly what hit he's referring to with burrow whatever but obviously people were upset with the call against osai on the sideline with Mahomes, which puts them into a much easier field goal situation. You know, refs did play a role, Jeff.

You can't deny that. But is this thing rigged? You're making fun of it. But why do people feel this way? Because they need excuses. They need things to. I mean, we had people that think DeMar Hamlin's dead and there's a body double out there. There's the same people that think the NFL is rigged.

Same exact people, man. All right, let's say that those people are totally insane. There are passionate fans who are not completely, totally insane who think this is fishy. So let's talk about this. Okay. I don't know where we want to, I'll tell you the reason this happened. So you're a Pac-12 fan and I'm a Pac-12 fan.

I work for SiriusXM Pac-12 right now. That's my day job. And the Pac-12 has officiating problems. And the Pac-12's officiating problems are not judgment calls. Those happen... Every conference has judgment call issues. The NFL does. The NBA does.

LeBron James was fouled on the final play against the Celtics. No doubt about it. They missed it. It's sports. Judgment calls get missed all the time. But procedural calls become a problem, right? And we saw whether it was the end of the first half of the Utah-USC game where the refs flubbed into that first half,

whether it was Oregon-Washington State where they just basically took away a down from Washington State. Then Washington State punted the ball. And they're like, oops, we get, and they gave Washington State a down back. And then they ran a play, then punt the ball again. You're like, those can't happen, right? Procedural errors cannot happen. So when they shut down the third down play, after the third down play happens for the

Chiefs, and the Chiefs are forced to punt the ball and then the refs go, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. We actually stopped the play. Now, the video does show they did, the ref did run in to stop the play, but it had no effect on the play, right? So when those things happen, when procedural errors happen like that, that makes people question everything else, right, Gabe? Makes people question everything else.

If that doesn't happen, no one questions it. No, people are going to question it. But when you have procedural errors like that, then you question everything else. Again, we saw, not to reference the four people that remember the Utah-USC game, the first one. At the end of the first half, they just flub it. They completely just like screw USC.

And there's a couple of roughing the passer penalties. And you're like the screw jobs in. Well, if the end of the first half doesn't go, if they just get the clock, right. Then you don't feel like you're getting screwed. Right.

Yeah. Like, I mean, like, right. Like you don't feel that you're like, Oh, judgment as a fan,

you feel like, okay, judgment calls didn't go my way, but there's not a feeling from up top. Like we're getting screwed. Screw us on purpose, right? And that's what it feels like when there's procedural errors

like they had in that game. Now, let's talk about the call. So the Frank Clark one, I got to see on film because I think he was pushed into Joe Burrow. And it's funny because when you watch the film, things look a lot different, right? Bengals fans complaining about a block in the back

on the punt return by Sky Moore. Watch the film. about a block in the back on the punt return by Sky Moore. Watch the film. Not a block in the back when you watch the film. It's funny how things happen when you watch the actual film of it and Bengals beat writers, go follow them, go look at them. They're tweeting the exact same thing.

Not a block in the back. Guess what? Not a holding call on the final play when Patrick Mahomes scrims out of the pocket and Osai hits him. Like the film matters, right? So, like, we want to scream, penalty, get all angry about it.

Just take a deep breath sometimes, right? But again, I understand the anger because of the third down play. We're going to point now and kind of blame the officials for everything else that happened this game. So, again, setting aside, do you want to call that on Frank Clark? Fine.

That was a penalty on Osai. Yeah. Mahomes is two feet out of bounds he hit him out he can't do that now all this being said game remember last season when mahomes had the ball in overtime against the bangles to go win that game he threw an interception everyone's like well oh mahomes god doesn't have it. Joe Burrow had that ball with two minutes left to go win that game. Like, all this being said, Joe Burrow had the ball with two minutes left on the road needing a field goal to win this game.

And, like, you can blame all you want. And, guys, if you're a loyal listener, thank you. Please rate, review, subscribe. Do all the great things. We love it. We love getting the reviews, especially when you mock Gabe a little bit. It's really fun. Gabe's smarter than he acts in the show, by the way.

I don't know if that's true. He's playing a little bit of a role every now and then on this show. You guys know this. I do not blame officials for losses. Never do. Now, I might blame officials for bad roughing the passer calls,

and I hate the way they do taunting. I hate targeting college football. I might not like the way they officiate some of these calls, but I don't blame them for losses. My teams, Oregon, the Chiefs, anything else. And I'm not blaming them for a loss here. Yeah, the procedural stuff's bad. That third down call was, the way they handled that was terrible.

But everything else, guys, they're judgment calls, man. They called two holdings on each team. Two on the Chiefs, two on the Bengals. They called no roughing the passers the entire game on anyone. They called a late hit on that one on Mahomes. They called, what, two pass interferences, one on Kansas City, one on the Bengals. Called a couple delay games on the Bengals.

They called a holding on the Bengals. Guy held MVS. Like, what else do you guys want? I don't, Gabe, people send me screenshots and videos of plays like after the game. I don't watch the game for penalties. Like, I don't sit there and think to myself, ooh, that's a penalty. I could go back and probably find you have 15 plays Chris Jones was held on. I don't watch film for that.

I don't watch a game and think, oh, oh, oh, he was held. Like, who watches football for that? That's not fun. It must be exhausting to watch football looking for penalties every play. Like, the story of this game is that the Kansas City Chiefs were playing that game at the very end, the second half, with Marcus Kemp as their second wide receiver in this game, who had eight targets in his first five years in the NFL and was playing as a second wide receiver

with an injured Mahomes. Now, Tony Romo, buddy, we get Mahomes has a bum ankle. Can we just like, can we tone it down a little bit? Like, I know Greg Olson, you're probably listening to this podcast, but like, can we not mention it every time he throws the ball in Super Bowl please like just not every time we get it Mahomes is playing a little bit hurt but like the Chiefs did this with Travis Kelsey

a little beat up and the Bengals taking him away for most of the game and then a bunch of dudes and like this story is is is Kansas City trading away Tyreek Hill playing a bunch of rookies on defense playing a bunch of rookies on defense, playing a bunch of dudes at wide receiver this year, and they're back in the Super Bowl again. That's the story from this game. And the Chiefs defense came to life. I had said earlier this week, Gabe,

that I didn't think the Bengals' offensive line mattered. Does it matter? It mattered this game. Look, Chris Jones, man, dude came to play. He had not a playoff sack in his career. He'd been good in the playoffs. Three sacks. Frank Clark came.

Like, they came to play. This is the most physical I've seen a Chiefs defense since the Super Bowl season. Like, they were flying. And they lost Snead and Gay, like, two of their best defensive players in this game. Trent McDuffie played well. Like, they tackled well. This is the best version of the Chiefs defense I have seen in years. And all I've said is the Chiefs have to be average on defense to be good.

And this is a win for how they did things this year. We're going to get rid of Tyreek Hill. We're going to use those draft picks on Trent McDuffie and George Koloftis. Both guys contributed, sacked, and McDuffie played well yesterday. So to me, it's a win for the Chiefs culture in this game. And that should be the story instead of the referee stuff. Like, how lame is that? I'm coming on here talking about the referees

when there's so much else to talk about from this game. Okay, well, let's talk about a few of the other things then. I didn't understand any of the complaints about the refs either. And by the way, Osai, and I think we all kind of, by the end of the night, felt kind of bad for the guy. Like, he admitted guilt, basically. Like, you could see that he knew he messed up. We don't need to pile on him.

He screwed up. He knows he screwed up. Like, it stinks. And I feel bad for him. I mean, it's just part of, it just stinks. It's like part of the game, man. Like, he was chased after Mahomes, and he just lost his spot on the field. It happens. It stinks. It's like part of the game, man. Like he was chased after Mahomes and, you know, he just, he just lost, he just lost his spot on the field.

And it happens. It stinks. It's like part of the game. And I'm glad his teammates, you know, came out to support him. You know, I, I did see there was, you know, that, um, um, you know, there was a video shortly of the Bengals kind of running into the locker room and one of his teammates, like that was just a spur of the moment thing. I wouldn't, I would not, I don't really think that's a sign of like a bad team. It's just a spur of the of the moment thing i would i would not i don't

really think that's a sign of like a bad team it's just a spur of the moment like just like i'm very angry in the moment i wouldn't put much into that if i was uh if i was um you know uh you know someone of a bangles fan or something but again after the game they support him like it's terrible it's terrible he got hurt in the play too i think like it's like you don't want that to happen no that sucked but so let's let's talk about a couple decisions then so first of all i think it's just worth noting that once again one of the top like five most impactful plays of patrick mahomes's career is a run you know we never we never give him enough credit for his ability to run here he is is on a busted-ass ankle, and he runs for a first down, and yeah, they tackle in the yards because of the penalty,

but he makes that play happen with his legs, which is incredible. That's just he had to do it, and he did. The other thing I want to ask you about, though, is, okay, they make this decision. Granted, it might have been the obvious one, but they decide to punt it to Burrow. You're saying he had it with two minutes to go and couldn't get it done they gave it to him with two minutes to go like they said basically go ahead joe burrow try to beat us in this supposed burrowhead stadium

like yeah was that that was something i have not seen from a chief's defense like we have confidence that we can stop a guy no and i think I was, I think if it's a healthy Mahomes, you probably are going there on fourth and eight, but he's not healthy and your defense had played well. You punted well, like everything had gone well in that game. You're the offensive line advantage. And I think that is, that's why you decided to punt the ball there and it worked out.

I was shocked. I was shocked as well. But think about it, too. It's fourth and eight. What was that? Like the 40-ish? I mean, if you miss that, the Bengals need 20 yards to get a field goal range.

The game is over. Like, the risk is not worth the reward. You weren't winning against man coverage at that point. You were down Juju. What? Juju, Tony, and Hardman at that point, too. You're down all your wide receivers. The punt and play defense was your best option at that point.

Yeah. Let's talk about the weapons by the Super Bowl. You talked about just a bunch of dudes. You just named a few of them. They knew this they knew going into the season that they were working with less than they'd had in previous years but they still have kelsey scantling's valdo scantling's sort of become a guy he's so like hit or miss though so funny man okay well i guess that's my question is like do you need

an a guy who would be an obvious one on every other team in the league or do you need a guy who would be an obvious one on every other team in the league? Or do you need a bunch of guys who are twos that know how to run the routes correctly? Like, it seems like a little bit like the Rodgers complaint. Like, I don't have weapons. Like, I don't know. You got a bunch of guys who caught eight for 100.

Like, what's the problem? Don't they have what they need at receiver with Kelsey as the tight end? Yes and no. I mean, you have the Eagles with A.J. Brown and Devontae Smith, right? Like this works because of Pat Mahomes. That's why. It really shouldn't, Gabe.

It was very clear that they're missing. They're still missing that number one, like go-to guy. They're going to have to find that this offseason. I don't know who that guy is, if it's in the draft or if it is if it is um you know infringing i wonder if because of the way that their defense has come on this offseason that that 31st or 32nd pick it's really going to be 30 and 31 because the dolphins are without a first round pick if they feel like let's go get a wide receiver now instead of drafting a defensive lineman because of the need, we need that breakaway guy now just because we're still missing that man-to-man guy.

It's Mahomes. This is the argument about why the Burrow-Mahomes thing, like Burrow has chase. He can say, but we saw yesterday now, Burrow made some great throws. Again, this is not like an anti-Burrow thing. He's fantastic. But the clear difference in their play

was evident yesterday, right? Like we could see that. I'm not like an anti-Burrow thing. He's fantastic. But the clear difference in their play was evident yesterday, right? Like, we could see that. I'm not, like, being a Chiefs homer here. It was very evident in their play. Like, the fourth and sixth, the Chiefs don't have a guy to go beat double coverage. And the Chiefs were playing three rookies in the secondary yesterday. Because when Sneak got hurt, another had to come in. Yeah.

I mean, it just, the Chiefs don't have those guys, man. Well, okay, yeah, I'll remind people. I mean, we're one win away from, you know, the Mahomes-Brady conversation being a real one. I'd say we're one super, I hate talking about Brady and giving him compliments, but whatever. He's got all these rings

where one Mahomes went away from that being a real neck and neck. Remember that after Brady had what three rings, they were like, what would happen if we gave you Randy Moss? Yeah, like we'd never seen

Tom Brady with a real number one until he got Randy Moss. And then they set every record in history. Now there's some other stuff going on at the time, but it would be interesting to see what Mahomes could do with a no brainer one. Like Tyreek, but even bigger, I guess we won't find out for the Super Bowl. So let's let's talk about motivation because this is the other maybe silly, but to fans, at least relevant storyline coming out of this.

The Bengals, or at least Bengals Nation, did a lot of crap talking, including their silly mayor. And, you know, Burrow sort of puts out a certain vibe, whether he intends it or not. There was just a lot of like buzz around the Bengals owning the Chiefs. like buzz around the Bengals owning the chiefs. Normally the chiefs don't seem to care, but they definitely, definitely cared this week. And I'm curious from like real football, practical terms,

not social media clicks. Did it make a difference? Will it make a difference against the Eagles who don't seem to be playing the same game? Um, the Eagles are just they're so good up front dude they are so good up front

like they it's you have to get them uncomfortable I don't know how anyone does that right now like how do you make the Eagles uncomfortable Gabe it's hard it's hard like to beat that first line right now yeah well but but so they also most importantly aren't doing it doesn't at least not yet the things that the

bengals did which is piss the chiefs off before the game even starts like when when mahomes and kelsey both take digs at the other team and igame. I just don't think that that stuff matters. You don't. To preparing for the game. Like, are you telling me the Chiefs weren't motivated and then all of a sudden were motivated because the mayor said something stupid? I think it's fun after the game to talk shit about it. And the Eagles might say something.

Who knows? But, I mean, it's the Super Bowl. You've got to be excited for this. But I thought the comebacks were pretty fun, though. Like, Kelsey's thing was greatl. You gotta be excited for this, but I thought that comebacks were pretty fun though. Like Kelsey's thing. It was great. Mahomes senior was fantastic. He had a little more than a cigar in his system.

I would imagine. It was, it was fun to see the clapbacks, but look, the Bengals had every right to talk. They won three in a row and not the chiefs turn to talk. That's the way this, that's the way this game works,

man. Yeah. All right. So you're talking about the Eagles, the obvious question. Most of us have, you're saying they're they're really good on the line both sides and jalen hurts has obviously you know shut a lot of people up he's played a very good season and the receivers you mentioned so there's there's a lot to like there but you can't ignore the fact that they don't feel tested even after a great regular season record like they just

don't i'm sorry and then getting this gift of playing like a what are we fourth fifth stringer by the time we get down to josh johnson then they don't even have a quarterback mcafree is basically the quarterback by the end of that game like are we sure that we've seen the eagles play a real football team in weeks okay so good question all right so um it's it's it's very it's very true the eagles have kind of caught in some some breaks right but they've also blown out bad teams and that's what you're supposed to do right now yeah yesterday the niners defense was healthy and they keep the shit out of the Niners defense was healthy. And they kicked the shit out of the Niners defense. Now, eventually defenses crumble and your offense can't add. And that happens all the time.

So if the Niners defense is able to help them, they probably play better game, just the way it is. If the Chiefs are healthy and can kind of keep up, it's a different type of game. But you're right. You're right. They put the Giants and the Niners with no quarterbacks. So, yes, the Chiefs are going to be a bigger test for them.

But when you have the trenches, you always can play. And I keep going back to this. I'm going to obsess over this because it's going to be this way for two weeks. When you have those guys, how do the Chiefs make Jalen Hurts uncomfortable? How does the Chiefs offensive line block the Eagles defensive line and give Mahomes the time to challenge the Eagles secondary and linebackers in coverage? Like, how do they do these things?

The cat and mouse game, how does that – because if you can't influence those two, if you can't make Jalen Hurts uncomfortable and you can't find ways to get Mahomes time, you're going to lose the game. It's pretty simple. It's an easy game sometimes to talk about. And so it all comes back to that for me.

And the Eagles are elite at that. Their best combination in the NFL, in offensive defense, is a line. And no surprise that they're here right now. Mahomes is the better quarterback that Jacob Hurts. And if we're looking at it from that standpoint of like, just bet the best quarterback, yeah, okay, take Mahomes. But other things also matter as well.

The one thing I will say about this game, Gabe, the Niners-Eagles game. So the refrain, so they lost Brock Purdy early in the game. Brock Purdy's the third-string quarterback. Josh Johnson comes in the fourth-string quarterback. He gets hurt, concussion. Bring Brock Purdy back in. He has a bad elbow injury. He can't in the game. Buck Purdy's a third-string quarterback. Josh Johnson comes in the fourth-string quarterback. He gets hurt. Concussion. Bring Buck Purdy back in. He has a bad elbow injury. Can't throw the ball.

Game's over, right? People will say, well, why don't they have a wildcat formation up with Christian McCaffrey, Debo Samuel? Guys, it's not Madden. You have to practice these plays to run them in a game. And there's no purpose for the 49ers to practice these plays during the week. Why would they spend a single second worrying about Christian McCaffrey, Deebo Samuel working on wildcat plays when they're trying to prepare

for Brock Purdy playing the game? Robert Mays works for The Athletic. He tweeted this out. I think he said Tom Moore said this. Old Colts coach for a long time. Said, we don't practice fucked. Excuse my language. Like, you don't practice fucked.

You don't. You don't have time to practice it. Like, the Mersey quarterback was Josh Johnson. Once you get at him, like, once you lose your third string quarterback, you're not winning on the road and it's the number one seed. It's done. Sorry.

Like, sorry, Niners fans. Like, it just, it is what it is. It's tough. It stinks. It doesn't feel good. But once you lost Purdy, the game was over. And there's like, what do you think you're going to do

with a wildcat with McCaffrey and Deebo Samuel on the road against Philly? You weren't going to win that game. It's so foolish, man. You can't just like show up and run these. If it was the Eagles and you're out Jalen Hurts and Gardner Minshew, because the RPOs are part of your offense, in theory, you could have a wide receiver who played quarterback in college run some RPOs. It's in your offense. It's not in the Niners' offense.

So, like, you can't even put it in on game day or even, like, on the sidelines. If you're the Eagles, and let's say, like, let's say A.J. Brown played quarterback at Old – what are you, Ole Miss? Did he go to Ole Miss? I think so, yeah. Let's say he played – let's say he came as a quarterback. You could go on the sidelines during a timeout or during a deal on the field,

and you could have Kelsey snap the ball to him, and he could work on a couple meshes with Miles Sanders, and you could throw him out there and see what happens. But that's part of the offense. It's not part of the offense. So it's not going to happen that way. Okay, so then let's ask a bigger picture question. It's more of a systematic question. Obviously there's some rules in place about how many guys you can dress as quarterbacks

and how, you know, who's active and who isn't. It's all, you know, irrelevant almost every week of the season forever. But then a season like the one we've just been through with the Niners happens and you go, yeah, why is Christian McCaffrey the guy who has to play quarterback? Like, why is he putting on the quarterback helmet after Josh Johnson goes down? Why isn't there a third guy who plays quarterback for a living able to dress and play? Why is that, Jeff? Like, why not think about changing that? No, no, no.

You could have three quarterbacks dressing. I know. I had a spot. I had a spot for a quarterback exclusively. You can do that. Teams choose not to do that. Okay, but then because you're sacrificing a special team. Well, you used to be able to have that spot.

There used to be an extra spot for a third quarterback. And teams decided they didn't want that. They just wanted the extra roster spot for anyone else. Okay, so do you think that this, again, you don't practice being effed but is there something instructive here for when you're already you're going into the postseason with the guy who you open the season with as your third stringer and you're no matter how confident you try to act you're going to be nervous the whole way through the postseason run does it make sense to have a third quarterback option in that scenario you know did they make a mistake

leaving it to chance no because once brock purdy gets hurt your game is done so you're saying even if josh johnson stays healthy it's over it's over yeah and then you're gonna bring in your fifth string quarterback you're done your game's over. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're down quite literally to podcast hosts by the time you get to that point. All right. Well then I guess there's not much more to say about their quarterback

situation other than boy, it looked like if Brock Purdy made the super bowl, they were tied to him no matter what next season. Now this might be actually, yeah, now he's ending the season hurt and losing for the first time. Yikes.

It's a little bit more complicated this offseason. What do you think happens there? Um... Depends how bad his elbow is. Well, okay. Let's pretend that for a moment that it's fine and he rehabs and he should be ready for the season um

if this trail lands healthy let's assume everyone is i imagine i imagine i imagine you go to camp with trey lance and brock purdy having a quarterback competition if you can't get Tom Brady. But do you miss... Right, okay, there's the big if. Yeah. If they can get Tom Brady, which now it seems they might be able to, do they just do that and do they think they're definitely a better team with him than either of those two guys?

Oh, yeah. I would imagine so, yes. Okay. Well, then why not work on dealing one or both of those guys this offseason or at least dealing trey i mean brock seems like your new jimmy i mean they're gonna get rid of jimmy g i would imagine all right so bottom line there's the whole offseason is going to be a question mark about the niners quarterback situation. Since we're here, Brady to the Raiders, Brady to the Jets, Brady somewhere else.

Like you want to just say one sentence about that? I am at the point where I don't care. Neither do I at this point. I got to like, I like if there's a scale of one to 10, I probably care about two and.5 where Brady goes. Okay. I care about negative 27 billion where Rodgers goes. So, like, where is Brady going to go that changes the landscape of the NFL?

The Niners? Okay. Yeah, I'll give you that. The Raiders? No. Dolphins? They already ruled that out. Schefter's reporting that ain't happening.

Okay, that's not happening. So the Raiders, no. The Niners, sure. Aaron Rodgers to the Jets? Oh, sure. Okay, yeah. That's going to work out well for everyone involved. Oh, sure. Okay. Yeah. That's going to work out well for everyone involved.

Like, I just, I just, Aaron Rodgers, to me, doesn't want to win a Super Bowl. He wants to put up numbers and be the MVP. He doesn't want to win a Super Bowl. Patrick Mahomes wants to win a Super Bowl, right? Like, I want to cheer for players Joe Burrow, Josh Allenosh allen like we have so many young amazing quarterbacks trevor lawrence justin herbert has a new a new offensive coordinator and kellen moore now who got fired by the cowboys are mutually part of ways now the chargers oc um you know a healthy lamar jackson like we have so many great young quarterbacks j Jalen Hurts is playing. I don't care about Rodgers.

I just don't anymore, man. It's not to mean that I, we have to come on to my job, but like, it's just not exciting to me anymore. Let's talk about these young cats, man. Good. I'm glad you brought up a few of the names you just did. And we're not done with the Niners or the Eagles, but obviously you're going to be talking about the, how to bet this game.

We'll be back next week to continue talking about this game. So let's go down one of these tangents you just opened up. I agree with you on Rodgers. Kellen Moore sort of mutually parts ways with the Cowboys. The Cowboys seem like a total mess. That was as high as they're going to rise with the current group of guys. Okay, now Kellen Moore's in with my Chargers. You are the one who said they have to come up with a better offensive game plan. Kellen Moore has made chicken salad out of you-know-what the last few years, in my opinion. That scares you a little bit, doesn't it?

The Cowboys part of it or the Chargers part of it? Forget the Cowboys. The Chargers part of it. The Cowboys part of it or the Chargers part of it? No, forget the Cowboys. The Chargers part of it. Well, I think the thing about Kellen Moore is we haven't really seen him do it without the offensive head coach. Now it's his offense by himself.

That's it. That's one question I have. But I root for Justin Herbert. I hope he does well. I made that clear. But they're still the Chargers game. Until they stop being the Chargers, they're never not going to be the Chargers.

I got to see them not be the Chargers first. But I root for Justin Herbert. So I hope he does well. And I hope Kellen Moore unlocks the best potential out of him. But again, Kellen Moore needs to do this by himself now without mike mccarthy and without you know being at his own offense now he's a guy defensive coach yeah okay well he can be unleashed with one of the best arms and overall quarterbacks in all football i'm i'm hopeful for the chargers let's hit a few more these are going to be the storylines that probably get talked to death over

the next two weeks so let's tick them off quick. And you tell me if there's actually something there. The fact that Andy Reid used to coach the Eagles. Now he's playing against the Eagles. That's going to get said 10,000 times. Is there anything we can learn from that? Is there any football relevant point about that? Or is it just interesting trivia? Interesting trivia.

Okay. Anybody just really good. Anybody just really good. You know, it's one thing. Isn't it so funny, man, how we knock coaches and players for losing in big games

when we don't ever give them credit for getting there? This idea of, well, if Andy Reid loses the Super Bowl, he's won in three Super Bowls. It's been four. It's been like 13 championship games. It's been to like 13 championship games. Yeah. Whatever it is, right? Mahomes has been to three Super Bowls in five seasons as a starting quarterback now.

Yeah, LeBron is what? Four and six in finals? Whatever it is, four and five? You see the team he dragged to the finals? Yeah. Jordan went to six finals. If Jordan went to nine, maybe he's six and three in the finals. I know.

I just think it's so silly how we do this to guys. Andy Reid might lose. They're the underdog of this game. Okay. That means I need less of a coach. It's so silly how we do this, man. So silly. I totally agree.

It's more frustrating, frankly, with LeBron. You know, the fact that he keeps on getting there is somehow held against him. LeBron's like 39 averaging, what, 32 points a game on that bum-ass Lakers team? Yeah, it's wild. All right, the other storyline that you're going to get a lot of, which I actually do think is pretty cool and maybe more instructive, is the Kelsey brothers. Now, obviously, the two brothers,

who are two of the best players on each team, that's noteworthy. But what I'm interested in is that both of these guys sort of like changed their trajectory as football players long after most guys get locked into a position or a style of play. I think it's cool that both of them were like, my success will come changing positions or thinking about this differently. Is there something to learn about the Kelseyseys and their willingness to adapt? You mean changing from like what position to what position? I mean, Kel, what's his name? Travis was a quarterback, you know?

I think they're quarterbacks because they move because they're not good at quarterback anymore. Like you don't voluntarily leave quarterback. You just don't become good at it anymore like you don't voluntarily leave quarterback you just you're just not you don't you don't become good i get it but like do you just you to accept a certain body type and go all right i'll gain the weight i'll be like like lane johnson was a quarterback at one point too yeah i played tight end back in the day then became slow and fat either the story is that they might be the first pair of hall of Fame brothers ever. Like there's not a – the Mannings might get there before they do. But these guys, like Eli's a borderline Hall of Famer.

These two are like no doubt Hall of Famers. Yeah. And imagine being the parent like in this game. Like I don't have – I have a boy and a girl, so we'd never play each other's Super Bowl. I mean, I guess my daughter might. Maybe she plays football one day. But like imagine the emotions.

You're going to be so happy and then also feel so sad at the same time for your other son. It's going to be a very weird – Are you going to – Does the losing brother go to the Super Bowl champion party? Does one parent go to the losing party and one go to the winning party? Does everyone go to the winning party and they leave the other son to sulk by themselves in the other party? It's a very interesting dynamic, Gabe.

It is. And you're well qualified to speak on this because you and your brother. But I went to the championship party because they won. Right. But when you used to play against one another, when you were both in the league together, in a couple of scenarios where your interests were in conflict, you never played in a Super Bowl against your brother.

That would have been what you're describing. But you played games against each other. You fought for positions. There's stuff. How did your parents decide how to break that up we played in college like the shirt like the you know the half shirt but both parents just kind of were like yeah whatever whoever wins yeah it's not super bowl though that's a big difference of course well no i guess that's true um but is there something just sort of like intangible? I hate that word, but they seem like leaders, right?

Like obviously they're both skilled players, but it seems like most of what they bring is like people are bought into them. Oh yeah. You know, these guys, they're just like these Hall of Fame players, man. They're just, they're just different cats, man. They're just different. They're just so different. There's a they're just different they're just so different there's a leadership quality

to these guys they're different than everyone else they lead by example but then also just lead by ability too right and in big moments you can count on Jason you can count on Travis

it's incredible to watch them play like you knew in every big moment okay Travis Travis Kelsey he's open you knew this and big moment okay Travis Kelsey he's open you knew this and that like it's just it that's why they're hall of famers man yeah I didn't have that I didn't have that talent yeah you know what I didn't realize until this weekend was the one

thing that's so incredible about Travis Kelsey is his job a lot of the time is just to find some space and get open like read the coverage know where he's supposed to be and know that Pat will probably be looking there and like that's it there's not a lot of a you can't draw that but what I also noticed is that Travis even when he does that and he's open and he could have gotten the ball you never see him throwing his arms up in the air you never see body language that indicates what the hell i was open where's my touch he's always like yeah pat didn't get it to me there's a reason let's move to the next play is that am i reading that correctly yeah i think you are but again i mean there's just like so much confidence between those guys like that's why yeah i just trust all right another storyline it's a cool another cool piece of trivia and i

think probably deserves deeper conversation from some people but uh first time we've ever had uh two black quarterbacks face each other in the super bowl and by the way one two in the mvp race so that's cool i love it it's great it's awesome yeah good yeah i mean i don't know i don't know what it what it means overall i guess i do want to ask about this though the, the Jalen Hurts side of it. Does it validate the tough Dak Prescott, Callum Murray to, to a certain extent, but also validates building an offense around that quarterback and help, you know, adding AJ Brown and Devante Smith.

The offense line was there, but they drafted some guys like it's you add the pieces around them. You make them stronger. I love it. Yeah. It went from, should we rebuild to let's add some of the best available pieces in the league very quickly

there and it looks like they'll have a nice run they're not at dynasty level like the chiefs are do you use the word dynasty now uh chiefs aren't dynasty they've only won one super bowl okay dynasty if they win this one no two's not enough two's not enough okay all right well let's take a quick break jeff we'll come back we'll the line. We'll hit a few other stories. All of them are sort of related to these games, but some random stuff, a lot of Twitter stuff coming up. Jeff, we're back. Your boy, KT, I don't know if he even intended to, but he's making enemies on Twitter.

Over under 30% chance KT actually didn't know who Joe Staley is when he got into a back and forth with him. He doesn't know. There are a lot of guys that don't really pay attention to sports outside of the sport that they play at the current moment. Like, the players, like, he has no idea who Joe Staley is. There's a lot of football players don't watch football. They just watch film.

Like there's, there's players that, that don't know the guys, the names of the guys that are playing against that week. They just know the numbers of the guys they're playing against that week. Yes. I do not think he knew Joe Staley. So when he says,

who are you, bro? After a little silly back and forth talking trash after the, the Niners game, you really think he's not just trying to insult him. He's genuinely like, why am I talking to you? Yes. Okay.

That's bizarre to me, but very. Yeah. Okay. Over under 5% chance Eli Apple has opened the Twitter app since the game ended. 100%. Yes, he has. He has. Okay.

And what do you think he's finding in his mentions? People roasting the crap out of him. But look, you got to take it, man. You got to take it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, listen, more people know him than his game would indicate. Like a lot of people know who he is for a very normal kind of player in the nfl and that's because he just runs his mouth and so does his family and i don't know

if that's a necessarily bad thing the guy's probably gonna have a job the second his career ends because he's known his family does does get on the uh the twitter the twitter box don't they oh yeah yeah i've known his mom a little bit. I've worked with her a bit. Smart woman, interesting woman, but obviously not afraid to say what she thinks. Yeah. Yeah. All right, how long will this matchup rule the NFL? Over, under four and a half more years

of Burrow and Mahomes in huge games. I'm not going to say the AFC championship per se, but just huge games. Well, they're going to probably get it next year because they're division champions. The Bengals still have to do the figure out a roster after we pay the quarterback. The Chiefs have done that already.

Yep. So that's the question, right? That's it. Well, I don't know. Two more years at least, and we'll figure it out. Yeah. Chiefs are going to have to figure out life

without Travis Kelsey one day. Yeah, I think that's probably the end of it. And Chris Jones and whatnot. That's going to have to happen at some point. But right now, two years, I'd say, probably. Okay. Mahomes is good at not creating enemies. And he said, you know,

I do love Burrow man he's competitor but i can't have him smoking cigars in the locker room at arrowhead our stadium um that's why i was asking you about the trash talk like i felt like when pat even made a reference to the cigars in post game that like something that got under his skin i i've just always look i've always felt that like it that it's fun to say afterwards. And I'm sure during the week it was talked about. But I don't think it fuels practice and film watching and preparation. It's fun to talk about afterwards, Gabe.

You're like, I can't wait till after the game, we get to talk shit about the Bengals. Right. But I don't think it matters very much like in the game or preparing for the week. Yeah, I guess that's right. But I do think it,

you put a little extra into certain hits and the trash talk on the field must be informed by some of that, that that doesn't come from nowhere, but okay. Out of 10 and i'm gonna say this without us knowing a lot of the details but we i think most of us saw the reports that stetson stetson bennett got arrested for public intoxication i saw a video that looked like him getting tackled and arrested and it was pretty pretty awful and pretty embarrassing for everyone involved. So over under 3.5

from a 1 to 10 scale of this mattering. Over under 3.5 when it comes to his draft stock. He's 26 years old. I don't know. Well, okay, but if the greatest you think it doesn't matter.

One and a half? all right so let me let me this is here here here's where it matters if if you are hoping to find a way to knock him down this is why you do it okay but but if the argument for drafting stetson bennett and i think this is the argument, is like, I get a mature veteran guy who's not going to create problems, who, if anything, isn't going to boost the level of maturity in my quarterback room and among my rookies. Yeah, then you have to question him, yes. Okay.

And I don't even know if he really did anything wrong or he was a victim. I don't know, but he was involved in a stupid situation. I think it kind of matters i'm not judging him for it but i think you have to evaluate i think you have to ask him about it now oh well you have to ask about 100 i'm with you there yes yeah all right and and i

think also it's fair to say that other guys this would be held against them a great deal more wouldn't you agree yes yeah okay um where does pro bowler tyler huntley rank amongst the ifc's quarterbacks over under nine and a half is he inside the top 10 no he's way outside why he's a pro bowler yeah we're not i'm not we're not doing that jeff is is just looking at his phone right now he is like scheduling a flight or he's on to the next thing he does not want to talk about my my wife is like trying to get over from whistler and it's like this whole that flight got canceled she's got work tomorrow and i'm trying to get her home and she's just like you know my wife is brilliant at work gabe like she's so smart at work man and like she just gets off of work and just, I don't know, she just can't function sometimes.

I don't know. I'm also good at finding flights. Yeah. I think I'm one of my, like, so I'm trying to get her home. All right. But buddy, here's what's really going on there. All right. We've joked many times in the past.

This is the point in the show where, frankly, the beginning of the show is where our wives are not listening. Certainly by the end, they're not here. Yeah. So we can talk openly about this this is probably true for some husbands but in in every relationship one of the people one of the partners is playing dumb so the other person will do some stuff so oh she for sure does yeah so like i don't i just play dumb when it comes to everything to do with like insurance i hate talking so i'm like i don't, I just play dumb when it comes to everything to do with like insurance. I hate talking.

So I'm like, I don't get it. You get this? And I like hit forward. Like I can read the annoying crap about home insurance. Okay. So I, I, that's like, that's like school activities for my kids. I just like, hon, there's a thing at school. I don't know. I'm not going just here.

You, you deal with it. Then they just pick up the slack. Cause they're like, yeah, yeah, there's a thing at school. I don't know. I'm not going. Just here. You deal with it. Then they just pick up the slack because they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah. If I leave it to this idiot, it's never going to get done. So for my wife, it's like she doesn't know how to work any of the remote controls. Yeah, cool. My wife has no idea. Right. But like, they can both figure it out.

My favorite part is like my remote controls control with my phone. And like, you can like, she can do it on her phone too but yet her phone's in her hand it's just like can you change the channel like but your your phone is physically in your hand mine's not in my hand why don't you press the button to change the channel no no you have to do it for me yeah like but what you're holding the actual remote it's in your hand babe it's right here um she does the blonde thing well at times she can she can she can do the blonde thing well tell you that man um it's like hank pretends he doesn't know how to use a calendar he just pretends he just acts like he doesn't realize how you know adult professionals use

calendars during a work day. He just ignores all texts about it and then waits till he's told the third time to do something in a calendar. Yeah. That's just how it is. All right, Jeff, last question.

We're talking about family. So here goes. How many pounds do you need to lose for your daughter? Well, first two partner first for your daughter to notice and then to be proud of you and respect you for it i'm gonna say over under 24 and a half pounds so we're driving to school this morning my kids and we're not talking about like much of anything we're listening to the radio or something my daughter goes daddy i heard you tell mommy you lost eight pounds but you don't look any different

yeah and i was like thank you darlin i love you very much thank you for that compliment oh my god she is just like her mom there's not an amount of weight i could lose to where she would be like you look good today or like you look are like shoot there's none zero amount of weight she would have i can lose 100 pounds she'd still like, you look good today. Or like, you look, or like, there's zero amount of weight. I could lose 100 pounds, she'd still call me fat. But you definitely weighed more when you played, right? I mean, granted, she was very, very little then. I weigh more now.

Do you? Yeah, I need to lose some weight, yeah. Oh, boy. But I have lost some weight, which is good. But my, yeah, my girl just just savagery out of nowhere too we weren't talking about anything to do with food nothing we're just like listening to like kids bop or something but like kids bop do you listen to kids bop i don't think so it's they take songs that are sung by adults and they sing them by kids okay but the problem is is originally i thought the station was like

adult songs minus the cuss words instead it's kids like ruining good songs oh and it's like it's not a good station like i i could just why would i want to listen to someone a kid singing an adele song i'd rather listen to adele sing the adele song why would i want to listen to that makes sense to me and so my kids like like, sometimes they're like, yeah, we're not listening to this anymore. Yeah, my kids, they like... I don't know what it takes to get them to like something new. They become obsessed. So every time I take them to school, they each have one song that's for them, and I have to listen to the same three songs.

You want to know each one of them this is i mean boy oh boy so there's a song called uh hey baby by bruce channel you've heard it in stadiums it's a gw basketball song okay so we swap hey for ray my daughter okay that's fun uh here's one i made this mistake. Mbop by Hanson. No way. Yeah, because poppy. Pop. Mbop.

Oh, my. That's on you, buddy. Yeah. And then my son, his choice is always the USC marching band version of Tusk. What is... That's what he likes, man. Every day. I pull up to preschool with a UCLA sucks!

When I come to Los Angeles I'm going to get your son right. That's ridiculous. Nah, he's A, man. He'll fight you. He is. I told him to root for Oregon because of you. I've told him to root for the Chiefs because of you. Wow. Wow.

Is he a big Boogie Ellis fan? Big Boogie Ellis fan. Big Boogie Ellis fan. I'm going to go see the ladies play this weekend. I took my kids to a movie this weekend for the first time in a long time. Yeah. Puss in Boots. Okay.

How was that? It was a movie. I mean, whatever. That's a pass. My kids liked it. So it was, I don it was uh it was whatever my kids were quiet for an hour and 45 minutes really continuously yeah oh that's interesting my daughter kept my daughter kept going back and forth between snuggling with me and then laying in the bed in the in the in the which was great i'll always take that so yeah sure um I'd pay 20 bucks for an hour and 40 minutes of quiet and get a snuggle or

two. That's nice. Oh, it was fantastic. I'll tell you. Yeah. I mean, it was,

and he kept saying, she's like, daddy, can I snuggle with you? The movie theater was like, yes, you may just don't call me fat. Um,

all right guys. So, oh, oh, I just saw someone complain about holding again. Oh no. Oh, all right guys. Well, no. All right, guys.

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