Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - The Chiefs are Super Bowl Champs!

Episode Date: February 14, 2023

Geoff is back alongside Gabe to talk through the Chiefs' Super Bowl victory over the Eagles. Was the call that decided the game late warranted? Is Mahomes the GOAT yet? And why were the field conditions so bad? All that and more on Geoff Schwartz is Smarter Than You.Leave a rating or a comment to show what you think of the episode, and follow the pod to get notified when new episodes drop each week. We had a great season talking football, thank you all for tuning in!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

it's tuesday february 14th i'm jeff schwartz alongside gabe goodwin this jeff schwartz is smart you powered by the varsity podcast network no intro needed no rundown needed everyone chiefs have won the super bowl again second time in four seasons they defeated the eagles 38 35 and what was a wonderful game punch counter punch counterpunch. It was great. It was fantastic. It was exactly what we needed. The two best teams in the NFL played a fantastic game. Very little errors, very little mistakes. Clean football. We'll get into, you know, the refereeing.

It kind of ruined the end of the game. I get all that, but it's not why anyone won or lost the game. Gabe, it was, I think, a great showcase of the best talent in national football league and in the end the team with the best player won the championship i mean do we need the rest of the podcast you just said all the stuff that was that's exactly right except i think you're discounting uh a few counties around philadelphia that would completely disagree with almost everything you just said you blew right past the one thing they're all obsessing over, which was the penalty that changed the final day and a half of the game.

And while I don't think that it's what decided the game, a lot of people are given, a lot of means are being dedicated to old Carl Sheffers and the crew. So, I mean, this is going to be mostly a celebration of Pat and the Chiefs, but do you want to unpack that? Sure. Sure. Sure. Look, okay.

So here's the question, okay, Gabe? By the way, Carl Jeffers, who like throws a ton of penalties, stayed out of mostly the entire game. Okay. So that becomes the question, right? So if they stay out of the game, is this the appropriate time to call the penalty? He was grabbed. Okay.

He was grabbed. Now, we can argue whether or not that was enough to call penalty in that moment. We can argue whether or not they should have let it go. We can argue whether or not it would have mattered on the play. James Bradbury, the Eagles cornerback, said, I grabbed him. We all saw him grab him. For some reason, Fox had some bad replays. It wasn't great early on, but it's very clearly.

Juju went in, right? He went in and came back out. And as he came back out, Bradbury grabbed him, kind of hugged him close to him to kind of stay close. And it really wasn't that much of a grab. I'm with you. I am team less penalties, right? And they had not called that all game.

There was one earlier, I think on Juju as well, very clearly pass interference. Just didn't call it. If you don't want to call it all game, then maybe don't call the situation. But if you're an official and you're watching that play right there you see Bradbury reach out and grab the receiver like I don't know what you want him to do like that was as plain as can be but I get it it ruined the end of the game the game was going so great it was 35-35 it was

back and forth back and forth back and forth Patomes just had, I think that's the longest quarterback run of Super Bowl history, which is odd because Jalen Hurts had one, I think just one yard shorter earlier in the game. I was kind of surprised by that. But Pat takes off down the field, and now it's third and eight-ish, I believe. A little less than two minutes left. Third down.

Incomplete pass. Chiefs would have kicked a field goal, made the field goal. I think the Eagles had one timeout left. We're going to a field goal made the field goal I think the Eagles had one timeout left where they need to get a field goal range like there's so much that would have happened that last minute 45 seconds I think it was about a minute 45 so much would have happened Gabe right we were robbed of that absolutely robbed of that Chiefs you know wind the clock down kick a field goal and win the game robbed of a great ending so look it's up to you to decide

if you think that penalty in that moment should be called or not. I don't know, but he did grab him. I'm team no penalties. I very clearly said no penalties. No, they didn't call one holding on one on either offensive line all night. Great.

Carl Jeffers, by the way, calls a ton of penalties. Like, this was great, man. I know it's an all-star crew, so it's not really his crew. But otherwise, Gabe, the refs stayed out of this game, man. Like, it was great man like i know it's all-star crew so it's not really his crew but otherwise gabe the ref stayed out of this game man like it was great they didn't it was like no talk about the officiating until the final moment of the game which again the nfl um maybe distracted everyone from how bad the turf was you can't play an nfl game on that turf period let alone the super bowl i'm watching the film back this morning.

It's not fair to the players on either side. Like the Eagles pass rushers could not rush the passer. The Chiefs offensive line played well. We'll talk about that. But the field was atrocious. They kept slipping. Supposedly they switched Cleats

and Jalen Hurts and mentioned that at least, I think at halftime, they may mention that as well. Like you can't have a field that you spend $800,000 for, specifically for this game. It was like a golf blend of grass. Just get it right, man. How about less logos and just get the field right?

The field has been bad, by the way, at this stadium for years. It was bad all the way back. And even Scott Van Pelt mentioned this, the Oregon-Auburn game in 2010. It's been bad for years at this stadium in these big games you can't have this man you can't have this happen you can't have us watching film today and being like look how shitty the turf is yet Hassan Redick rightfully so complaining about on social media I get it man I get it it's not fair you want the Super Bowl I always want Super Bowl to be played, in my opinion, either in warm weather or a dome, in a perfect ground. I want everything to be perfect, Gabe.

I want everything to be perfect for the big game. The New York one, they got lucky it wasn't snowing on that day. I want perfect weather. They should deserve to play in perfect conditions. It didn't happen. Again, officiating. Look, the Chiefs, the Chiefs in the second half, Gabe, got every single yard on offense except the kneel downs at the end.

Like, that's the story of this game, was the second half. So, yeah, again, officiating, whatever, be angry about it. It happened. Okay, you gave me a few things to pull on here. So, fine. I'm good with putting aside the officiating. And by the way, our buddy Nick Wright mentioned, like, also, you know, the Chiefs had a touchdown callback on something that others might question.

The Dallas Goater review could have gone the other way. I thought he caught the ball. Yeah, the point is, like, there were a couple instances that if the Chiefs lose the game, the Chiefs fans get to go back and say, what about us? Like, this is how football works. So I'm with you. Less calls, the better. On this grass point, you're the guy who constantly talks about how we shouldn't be playing on turf and big guys hate turf now you now you don't like

grass which is no i like grass but it has to be better like you have to be better not play this game on turf then well then we can't grow a perfect grass field in a freaking desert i don't understand like what do people want like we're going to spend a million dollars on a football field to grow grass in a desert that doesn't please people the turf doesn't please people the cold doesn't please people what what the hell it's just a football game deal with the conditions it is fair everyone has the same conditions i get it the chiefs have to play these conditions too i'm just saying that in this game they shouldn't have these poor conditions sure i mean they shouldn't but they do because we're trying to grow grass where it's 120 degrees with Pierce with no shade I agree all right let's get back to

football Pat was brilliant let's talk about Pat as long as we can go here because he's now like the comeback king as far as Super Bowls go. I know people will want to say Tom Brady. Patrick Mahomes has had a couple chances now, and he's been brilliant every time. The double-digit comeback, some of us could have predicted it at halftime. What did he do right? What did they do right schematically? What did coaches deserve credit for? Get nerdy here, because I think there's some really interesting stuff that I'm starting to see as we get 24 and 36 hours after the game yeah so the first half the Chiefs didn't have the ball

yeah there was a point I think when the game was 27-21 the Eagles had 60 plays the Chiefs had 31 the Eagles had 44 plays at halftime to the Chiefs like 20 plays at halftime the Chiefs just didn't have the ball in the first half the second half they had the ball and this was like the Andy Reid masterpiece game and of course you give credit to Eric Biennemi give credit to Andy Heck the offensive line coach but this was the game man this was the game that we all imagined Andy Reid would call and he did it so let's start the first half I watched the first two drives intently so far and we talk about different ways to attack a pass rush, right? And one of them is just giving guys different looks. So on the first 12 plays, the first two drives of this game,

the Chiefs had 12 plays. Hassan Reddick, number seven, is the Eagles' big sack guy, right? He just killed Brock Purdy. Like, we got to watch him. They attacked him 10 different ways in the first 12 plays. They gave him 10 different looks. Whether it was Juju Smith-Schuster in the first play motioning and blocking him. Whether it was starting a tight end on one side coming across to cut him.

Whether it was a fly motion in his face. Whether it was a screen in his face. Whether it was a double team. Whether it was just a one-on-one block. They did 10 different things in the first 12 plays. So you keep them guessing, right? And they did it all game. They just kind of kept them guessing also a very important thing too we talked about this entering the game the Chiefs are very good best in the NFL in first and second

down most often first down if you keep yourself in that pace of being good on first down that keeps third and manageable typically when the Chiefs weren't third or long didn't happen very only eight third downs all game, and most of them weren't that long. When they were in like a third and eight plus, the Eagles were roaring, man. The Eagles were rushing the passer well. They got to Mahomes, they hit Mahomes.

But they weren't in that situation but like three times, Gabe. And mostly it was at the end of the first half. And the second half, the Chiefs often just came out and pounded them, running the ball. Like the run game, and I have come on here and talked about this.

To me, the run game at times is pretty boring. Not this game. The Chiefs came out with a run game, diverse, unique, and they came out to make a point, man. And the Chiefs offensive line doesn't always play like this, but when they do, they're incredible. They did this to Tampa this year. They did this to the 49ers this year.

They came out and said, we are going to bully the opposing defensive line. We're going to make it our mission to make them pay. And they did this the entire game. And so you kind of, you put this all together in a package and put it on the field. And that's what you get now. The adjustments, right?

And everyone's talking about this. It's not like a surprise. I'm not springing this on anyone that hasn't been on social media. The second half, the Chiefs found something that kind of they unlocked right and it was on film they took it from jacksonville where when you bring that kind of short motion in as the chiefs do when they kind of go from the furthest guy outside on wide receiver they motion him in the eagles defense gets a little confused sometimes they want to switch it off if they're in man coverage and sometimes if they're in zone coverage,

it's called spin the safety. So they take one safety that's high, put them down, and one safety goes back. The Chiefs figured out they kind of do it maybe a little bit too early. And if you run that motion just past the second wide receiver and they start to make that switch and you snap the ball and then you run the wide receiver back where he came from, the Eagles are just so discombobulated on defense and they just kept calling it they kept calling

the same thing over and over again and the eagles had no answer for that and so the eagles defensively this season were pretty predictable but they got ahead in a lot of games gabe and they got they were allowed to rush the passer and they were allowed to do what they do because guess what no one was able to challenge them except a couple games this season and the Chiefs in the second half put their foot down they challenged them they're in third and short they found something in the Eagles just didn't have an answer and this is the thing about playing like an Andy Reid team the Chiefs are going to watch every single play they're gonna find a weakness and and this is a good lesson for young defensive coordinator in Gannon you have to know they're gonna watch you like they're gonna see if you

have one weakness they're gonna find it they have everything in the playbook man and go back to halftime adjustments so this is a big storyline running the chiefs made a halftime adjustments they just said we're gonna run this play that we have in we're gonna run this version of it they didn't like go oh we're gonna draw this play they just like okay well we see when they do this let's do something else now that's it like 30 second discussion in the locker room that's it and they went out and did it so people want to do this discredit pat mahomes thing where oh well he he only had this many yards guys he had won a completion the second half it was 13 to 14 was a throwaway one ball the entire game hit a defender's hands i think it was that little

dump off pass on third down on the second drive before the missed field goal he was great he was fantastic and we had to run he had to run andy reed his masterpiece eric biennemi andy heck the offensive line coach all those guys the chiefs offensive line they said afterwards they heard all week about the eagles offensive line eagles defensive line look the thing about the fun part about watching film gabe this is a saying that we that we use all the time it's never as good or never it's bad when you watch a film right and when you watch it back the pass protection not as good as looked on tv but it's still really good and then of course the bads never typically as bad that's kind of the way that works when i was playing i'm like oh man

that play is gonna be so bad on film i can't i, I just, I don't want to watch it. You watch it, you're like, ah, it's not that bad. The Chiefs just kind of showed that championship medal, but I don't want to take away from what Jalen Hurts did because Jalen Hurts was incredible in this game. I don't think I was a, I wasn't a hater of Jalen Hurts. I don't know if I had a strong opinion about him either way, but dude crushed it, man. He played really, really good football.

And I hope the end of the game and what Mahomes did and what Andy Reid did in the Eagles defense doesn't take away from how good Jalen Hurts played. Yeah, I agree with you. I hope that Jalen Hurts wins the championship somewhere other than Philadelphia one day, because I don't think they deserve him. But there's nothing really bad to say about him, except, of course, for the fumble.

And that gets me to this question. Like, you're right. Pat played basically a perfect second half and a damn good game deserved the mvp but isn't it also interesting that you know a few of the things that always seem to go right for let's just say it tom brady went right for pat this time defensive score huge special teams play where the refs got involved okay do you want to know why yeah you want to know why this is? Because people will say this. And you're right.

The breaks go for good teams. Yeah. That's why. Because you play good football. The more good football you play, the more luck you make for yourself. If you're a good person, I sometimes think you get better luck in life. Not always true. It doesn't mean it always happens.

But just like being a good person, I think that kind of goes your way in life. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe that's a terrible take. Flaming on social media. I don't care. If you're a good football team, if you do the right things on the field, if you take care of the little details, if you focus on the things that are important on the field,

you have the right players, you draft and develop, you put them in the right place for success, typically things will go in your direction, right? And just like in life, I think if you, and it doesn't happen all the time, I get it. But if you prepare and you put yourself in the right position and you have a little bit of luck, it can spark for you, right?

That's what happens with good football teams. That's why shitty football teams with crappy owners typically stay shitty with crappy owners. This is the way it is. Like, yeah, yes, you you're right Jalen Hurts fumbled that ball by himself he wasn't touching that was Nick Bolton there in a way yeah he was but okay it happened like I don't know they got lucky there the penalty sure but guess what like that happens good football teams I hate to go back to the penalty but let's spend a minute there

because I think you're making a point that I haven't heard anyone else make and I want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly my observation of that play was the second Pat let go of the ball that looked like it was supposed to be a fade into the corner to Juju. They went for the end zone. The second he let go, he knew the penalty had been committed and he was pointed. And that's because my dumb guy observation for you to correct was he threw to a spot that play is so precise that he threw to where juju will be if the play is run correct yes when juju wasn't there something got in his way hence the penalty correct the refs also intuitively know that pat is that precise that mechanical yeah but the ball the flag was thrown before the ball was close to landing but

the ball was released based on like how that play is supposed to be drawn up, right? Yes. And it went to the perfect spot, and he was nowhere near it, and so Pat knew something slowed him down. Hence the reason he believed there was a penalty. The refs... I think... No? Okay.

Yes and no. I think he saw the penalty come out. The ball was in the air, and the flag got thrown. Yeah. My point is simply the refs know if the receiver's nowhere close to a ball that patrick mahomes throws something happened uh which is not the case with most quarterbacks in the league maybe but the flag was thrown before the ref could see that though all right okay fair enough so like i said maybe

i'm the dumb guy but i just i'm trying echo your point, which is that great players who are composed, who make life easy on the officials tend to get calls because they aren't constantly attracting negative attention. Right. Here's the thing too, though. You know, people say, well, the Chiefs off doesn't get called for holding. And the Eagles offensive line doesn't call for a false start and holding. Because they're good, good players use good techniques. Like what, how surprising is this for people?

You know, I was listening to Colin Cowarton and he mentioned that Bill Belichick's teams used to wear gloves that match the color of the jersey they played. That can happen. I always wore white tape and that was, you know, times I'd be like, oh, maybe I should wear black tape if I'm playing black,

but I just was superstitious about it. Absolutely. It's a great advantage, right? If I'm wearing black tape and playing someone with a black jersey versus wearing white tape playing someone the white with a black jersey it's very easy to see my hands little things like that man like if you have all the details covered every little thing covered they typically go in your way it just happened to go for the in the chief's direction but i just want to make it clear like the eagles jalen hurts

was so good i was worried i i said entering this week in our preview show that as a Chiefs fan, I could live with Jalen Hurts 50-50 passes beating the Chiefs. And for a good part of the game, they did. The touchdown to A.J. Brown, Goddard was great. The throws to Goddard were great. The Eagles efficiency on fifth. Eagles had 18 third downs. 18 third downs.

And I think three fourth downs one of them was ended up being a false start they were two for two and fourth down you know someone asked me today was i upset that about jaylen hurts throwing so many yards i was like no that's just like great because the chiefs defense did what i thought they should do which is take away the run jaylen hurts ran the ball well in the first half not in the second half and the eagles running backs did nothing all game like the chiefs defense played it's funny give up 35 points and you're like yeah you kind of played okay I thought like I thought the Chiefs defense did okay which is weird thing to say but Hurts I thought I think if you were on the fence about like oh should we pay Hurts absolutely like after this game you're like heck yeah yeah pay

Jalen Hurts dude's a stud yeah no he a great game, and I think the Eagles will be back as a contender next year. One name that hasn't come up that's surprising so far, because, you know, other than Mahomes, I think he's the best player out there. He'll be remembered as the best player out there. Travis Kelsey. He was the only other person I thought was a reasonable MVP pick. We talked about it last week when we were making picks for the game. Not a huge game statistically, but I have an idea that I want to run by now that we've seen Travis play in so many huge spots. Is the new trend, it used to be get some super

athlete who played some basketball at a high level and then like he doesn't have a ton of football experience, but plug him in there and his athleticism will carry the day as a tight end. a ton of football experience, but plug him in there and his athleticism will carry the day as a tight end. Is the new strategy going to be go get guys who were quarterbacks, who understand everything about an offense, know exactly how every play works, and they're big enough, strong enough, fast enough, teach them how to play tight end in college at some point. And there's your new tight end model. Quarterbacks who convert to tight end.

No, I think that Travis Kelsey is just a special player. That is something that you just can't coach or teach. Like he's just... But don't you think all the time watching tape as the quarterback must help him? As a former quarterback? Yeah, as a former quarterback. Doesn't it seem like he sees the field

the way the quarterback does? He sees what Pat sees. I think it's actually just working with Pat all right i'm over two on my theories here goes the third try jeff we're hearing the word dynasty come up you might not be ready for it i'm gonna read you something that i came across uh red tribe cinema clay wedware on twitter says the chief's dynasty is marrying the 80s 49ers so far 49ers win win a Super Bowl in Montana's third year in the league. They don't win for the next two seasons, losing a heartbreaker in the conference championship one way.

They win another Lombardi in Montana's sixth season. Next, they go back to that. Is that the right comp more than Brady or whoever else we might compare Pat to? Is it that 80s Niners team? This is not one of those debate shows, so I don't have to have a take on this. No, you don't. That's the part about having my own podcast.

I'm not on one of those debate shows. By the way, speaking of that, I find myself defending some guys on debate shows because people get so worked up about the job of opinionist on these shows. Yeah. I almost had to defend your guy, Bayless, this weekend because someone was like,

well, Skip is just cringy out there. I'm like, because he never played football. There was that tweet from the football player that was like, you can't give opinions on sports unless you play football. And I was like, that sucks. And he's like, well, what about like Bayless?

He gives opinion on football. I'm like, so? That's his job. Their job is to give their opinion on football. Who cares if they played or not? It's the stupidest thing of all time. The easiest thing in the world is to just their opinion on football. Who cares if they played or not? It's the stupidest thing of all time. The easiest thing in the world is to just not watch. Yet all the people who can play do watch

and do memorize the dates. Yeah, I've been defending all those guys for my whole career. So, nonetheless, look, I think you have to win three Super Bowls in five, eight-year stretch to be a dynasty. They're not there yet. They're on a good path, right?

They're young, a lot of positions. The AFC's going to be hard. But look, the Bengals got to pay players. The Chargers got to pay their quarterback. The Bills are backsliding a little bit. Everyone's got to pay their quarterback. Jackal's got to pay their quarterback. Everyone's got to pay.

The Hurts has to be paid. The Chiefs are in a spot where they're sitting pretty good right now they paid their quarterback he does feel like he's on that tom brady take a little bit less track that the tom was on to help help the team a little bit there's just so funny there was talk about andy reed retiring i was like retire guys pat mahomes is 27 he's like just entering his prime years he's already at five times in the ac championship game two superbowls three appearances appearances, like two MVPs. He hasn't entered his old man strength era yet. He's not even in his prime yet.

He's not retiring. He's not going to let anyone else coach Pat Mahomes in his prime. Get out of here with that. So, no, the Dynasty stuff is silly to me. Like, they still got to win. If they win one in the next two years, I think that's, we're in the conversation. That's three in six years for football.

If you look at the dynasties, whether it's the Steelers, the Niners, the Cowboys, and the Patriots that had two separate dynasties in a 20-year span, that's kind of where they settled in as far as Super Bowls. All right, I'll buy all of that. I should also point out, I complimenting tom brady here but when tom brady came into the league he and others like him were like you just like drink beer and like you're fine because you're a freak of nature athletically and you can do those kinds of things then tom realized he wanted to keep doing this he changed everything about the way he trained in this diet and that's been well documented pat came into the league with that mindset in his early 20s he already treats his body the way tom brady had to by his 40s and that i think talk about longevity like we could be looking at pat

mahomes playing quarterback till 50 no we certainly can and that is very different in in the way that you guys prepare now that when when tom first got in the NFL. Pat Mahomes, he's getting a little injury. Every year he's kind of stacking up an ankle, another ankle, a knee, like this. It's a little not worrisome for me, but there's kind of

stacking up a tiny bit of these injuries, right, Gabe? I know you've mentioned that before. They're kind of stacking up a tiny bit on you know they're not debilitating they're not debilitating but they're stacking up a tiny bit I think to be a little worrisome it's been a lot of love for the Chiefs and deservedly so can I go negative for a second here sure and I'm about to reference the greatest athlete on the planet in my opinion but I'm worried that Pat might be getting a little bit of that thing LeBron does, where in the moment where he gets injured and the cameras are on him,

he looks like he's been mowed down by a whole army worth of people. And he's wincing and he's hobbling and he's doing all this. He's on the sideline and it's very dramatic. And then, oh, what do you know? Like, because he's so tough, he just doesn't feel pain for the next half. Or maybe it wasn't that bad. Just play, dude.

Like, with LeBron, we always say that kind of stuff. I think we might need to say that about Pat. I think in that moment he was pretty hurt but okay pat doesn't do it anywhere to any time else though like he's not like lebron's like flopping all over the place and just like it's a non-stop thing it just it's only for pat pat doesn't even complain about getting hit in the head or like getting tackled hard it just would just with the ankle though i feel like that's a little a little unfair with with mahomes oh yes okay fair enough um all right another question then you know you mentioned the contract obviously he's still like as much as

he makes most people would agree he's like kind of going to be underpaid if not now within the next few years as worse quarterbacks get bigger deals at some point maybe after he loses travis kelsey whatever the nucleus of this team is no longer there and he's just 30 something year old pat trying to like schlep a bunch of other guys through superbowls the i want to win i'll do what it takes mentality might shift it might be a new agent it might just be totally outrageous for him to pass on money does that worry you a little bit that one day he can just knock on the owner's door and say pay me more more. Sure. It worries me one day I could die from heart disease. I don't know.

Yeah, I guess, Gabe. Sure. Sure. All right. Okay. I'm just trying to get, I'm trying to write it down. Sure. One day he's going to go to Clark Hunt and be like, you know what?

Pay me more money. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I got a question since bringing up Clark Hunt. Now we're going to get into, don't get cancelled when I ask this question no don't I know don't ask the question just don't

those are just friends and family up in the booth that's who are in the box that's who's there yes okay great that's great that's great I'm glad to see you surrounded by lovely people um all right uh I had to have that conversation with my wife as well. They cut away to the owner's box a few times with the Chiefs,

and I went silent. I just leave it there. Is there anything left we need to say about the Eagles? This was obviously a great run for them. A well-constructed roster. Can they? I felt so bad for Jason Kelsey because I would hate to lose him to my brother. Yeah. That has to stink for jason i mean his comment afterwards was very poignant and that's something i would tell

my brother as well i really like watching the eagles play this year i really like watching offensive line play again they deserve to be in this spot they play really well offensively in this game and who knows what the future holds with uh with jason and you know lane battling through his injury again hurts played really well and hopes losses diminish how well he played in this game eagles have like 25 for agents they're gonna have to figure some things out with uh how they've been this team back all right uh we're gonna talk about like spinning it forward uh when we come back and do our over under last question for me then that touches both teams so a couple receivers you know pretty big name guys especially aj brown but also Kadarius

Toney, become real impact players in this game. Great players for each team all season long. Both, I think, would be considered great trades. I'm curious, though, to take this in a different direction. Do you think that receivers, or just playmakers in general, are going to sort of take the wrong message from this? That, like, being a drag on your current team gets you to go play for a contender

because it keeps happening. It's those guys, it's Odell. I feel like there's beginning to be a model here in both the NBA and the NFL. Just whine enough, you stop being worth it to the team you're on, you get sent to a better team. You scared of that? I guess, but one guy in the, I mean,arez tony is was a bit piece for the chiefs he's big today but he wasn't

a big part of what they did and i mean most teams i think the chiefs that the chiefs being proactive with that one obviously brown but wasn't he a first round guy i don't know it just seems like it's a lot of kevin durant mentality like ah i'm not on the best team i might as well just be miserable until i get to be on the best team. Just a little scary for me. Yeah, I don't know if it matters, though. Okay, I can't get you to take the bait. I'm trying to gaslight you over and over.

You just won't go for it. Let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll move the line. We'll look forward to next season with a whole bunch of predictions. Jeff, we're back. It's time to move the line. The early odds are out. These are courtesy of FanDuel, I believe.

There's one really funny thing here in the favorites for next year. So obviously the Chiefs open as the favorite. That makes sense. The Eagles are the third best odds to win the Super Bowl. Then the Bengals and the Niners. Here come the Cowboys, the Ravens. It gets debatable after that. Number two, somehow, after everything we saw at the end of this season, number two, holding strong, there's still the Buffalo Bills.

Is Vegas or these betting apps just trying to take advantage of foolish people who think the Bills are for real? So we have to kind of piece out two things here, right? We have to piece out the idea of what the books are trying to do, right? And they're trying to make money. So they're trying to take equal money, right? And not get hosed either way.

Just take that idea out of it. Take the odds for what they are, okay? I don't need to be added by some random guy who has like, you know, plus EV in his profile and his betting record, okay? To explain how this works. Yes, they're disrespecting the Bengals. The Bills are going backwards.

Three years ago, the Bills won the AFC Championship game. And they lost the division around in overtime to the Chiefs. They lost the division around at home to the Bengals by 17 points. They're going backwards. The Bengals are going upwards. I don't know why, man. It makes no sense. Well, okay.

So we're going to say over under 90% chance the Chiefs still have the best odds. By week one next year, nothing major is going to change in the offseason to disrupt them. I wanted to talk Bills, but I'm now asking you about the Chiefs. Chiefs are the favorite. They will be the favorite. Yeah, that's not going to change. All the other silly stuff we're going to talk about all offseason isn't going to change that. No, Chiefs will be the favorite, yeah.

All right, fair enough. I mean, unless like the Eagles, I don't know. I don't even know who they could add where you're like, that puts them ahead of the Chiefs. At this point, it makes sense to just – if the Chiefs are what, plus 650, you said? I think it was 600, but yeah. If you bet on them plus 600, in the next six years,

you bet them every year for six years, you'll make your money back, right? I would think so, yeah. It seems like you'd more than make your money back. All right, well, we have all of the summer to talk about what next season looks like. Here's a question Hank threw in there. I'm interested in this, although I have no idea who the person he wants me to throw into the question is, so

I'm not going to ask it that way. What are the odds that the NFL, as they do every offseason when they rethink the rules, throws out the like, yeah, we're all allowed to just bush push the guy into the end zone for the first down or touch. That is certainly going to be on the discussion for

next season for the rules proposal. There seems like a lot of that going on in the game. Let's talk about Rihanna, please. All right, Rihanna. So, unbelievable performance. I'm not willing to debate that. Okay. Where does it rank all-time over under three and a half?

Oh, I don't know the all-time. Can I just say just say though my daughter her takeaway from the performance was my daughter has an obsession with a body part and her takeaway from the performance was of the body part and it was funny as can be and um my daughter six and a half and uh she was dancing like trying to mimic the backup dancers the entire 15 minutes. She was having the time of her life during the concert.

It was, people were like upset. We didn't just sing her best seven songs. Like what do you expect her to do? She's seven months pregnant, it looked like, right? I mean, seven months, eight months. Like she's,

she's batting her ass off up there. I loved it. Yeah. Did you have this awkward moment in your house when like a song or two in did any guy go um am i allowed to ask is she and my wife was like it's okay to ask yes i think she probably is pregnant i was like okay just i didn't i don't know what wasn't the wasn't like the highlight of the outfit to show that off like wasn't that part of yes but you never know and none of us could remember how long ago she had her last child so we weren't sure but you know obviously women's bodies change after pregnancy the whole thing of course i thought it was like

very obvious like that was the highlight of like her look was like that i have like i'm up there on stage with this like i'm rocking out and like she wasn't moving at all like that was a giveaway too right she just stood kind of in one spot i was worried like how protected she felt on the riser like she was attached early on to the riser and they unattached her i don't think they attached her back for the the end of the of the performance but i was like what liability do they have if this thing falls down? I was a little worried about that. Those Super Mario Brother level things

were awesome. The whole performance was great. The fact that she is however many months pregnant and nobody knew and she still performed at that level is outrageous. To answer the question though, Jeff,

we need to decide if it's a top three performance ever obviously people are going to bring up beyonce as a you know competitor to that i i mean last last year was one of my favorites because i like i think last year was a bit more for the dudes but i think this will be more popular overall i i still go back to bruce springsteen now 15 or so years ago and obviously people talk about you would be a bruce guy that makes sense and then people talk about Prince I don't even remember that we should make Hank look out for next podcast which we can watch all Super Bowl halftime performances

and give us a definitive list of Prince doing Purple Rain in the rain is going to be your number one no that that was that was up there as well I just love how angry these performances make some people on the internet they do do. It's just the best. Yeah. Like, they hate it so much that they watch the whole thing. Yeah. And they get in their Twitter box and they're like, Satan is upon

us and the twerking of the women on stage and it's ruining our children and meanwhile our kids are having like the best time of their life watching this 15 minute concert. Dude, look at this. As you brought it up. So, you know, we talk about my kids from time to time.

They had a buddy over. Obviously, I had four kids, five and under at my house. Okay. How often do you think even one of them was focused on anything happening on the screen? Zero. Except the halftime show. This is what it looked like at halftime oh yeah yeah everyone's watching yeah locked in why i had my two kids and their cousin over by the way post bedtime they went to bed at halftime

because it was like day 45 and school night chiefs second half 24 11 after the kids went to bed interesting little superstition i went i went downstairs and watched the rest of the game. I went... But yeah, it was a good show, man. Look, it's funny because in Miami, when I was at the game, J-Lo and Shakira performed and it stunk in the stadium.

You couldn't hear anything, couldn't see anything. I wonder if the performance last night was any good in the stadium the performance is not really for the people there it's for the tv audience it's a tv performance uh speaking about tv greg olsen was great again fantastic and um i don't know if i'm allowed to talk about yeah i can't we can't talk about the other thing um but i think he keeps that job for a long time i i don't know how you replace it i obviously hope so for a number of different reasons it's like brock perd like what do you what else can the guy do like he he's done everything

he's been asked to do and more he's totally impressed people if they decide to change the plan all right but he's been great those little things he says like during the broadcast that i think are so important and And even him disagreeing with, with the call at the end, like good. Like I might disagree with Greg. Like, yeah,

I thought it was a holding, whatever. I mean, but at least like someone's willing to be like, that was wrong. And like, I, in my prayer,

God, I was like, yeah, that's a penalty. Greg's like, ah, I wouldn't call that. Like that to me is honest.

I'll take honest, man. Instead of like, uh, Jim, uh, like, ah, I wouldn't call that. Like, that to me is honest. I'll take honest, man. Instead of like, uh, Jim, uh, uh, uh. Yeah. Just Greg's being honest. And this, again,

there's little things he says throughout the game about the personnel. By the way, that commercial they ran where they told, where they had a, where the channel changed

was BS. Yeah. Was BS. They ran a commercial telling us to change the channel. Why would you, why would you do that? Yeah, no. That one confused the hell out of everyone.

It reminded me of the Sopranos series finale where everyone was confused. I didn't watch any commercials. Did you pay attention? I did pay attention. I thought there were some smiles. It's obvious that the commercials are now in the demographic that the commercials are meant for. Yeah.

People from my youth called X to movies I grew up on. I actually don't like it. Like, don't touch Caddyshack. I don't want that. I didn't like when they messed around with Caddyshack. I love Ben Stiller as much as anyone on Earth does. I don't really need Zoolander jokes, man. Zoolander's fine.

Don't bring Zoolander into this. I didn't love any of the commercials. There's one we could talk about offline. I don't want to bring up right now. It got my attention. I don't know what that was. Oh, well, yeah, those ones, yeah. There were a couple of things I didn't know we needed to advertise for in this country anymore.

But apparently we do. Can I go back to Greit for one more second i think i have a i have a theory and i think this is why i think you'd be great in the booth as well at the end of the day obviously you need to be a good broadcaster you need to do your research you need a certain level of cachet you know greg has all this but ultimately what greg is great at is he's just freaking passionate yeah so when he like when i was mckinnon was running towards the end zone oh yeah yeah yeah he's like get it down you gotta get down like he's he sounds like you know the coordinators and position coaches sounded in the headset you know like he just loves football and he could nobody would ever accuse him of having a rooting

interest or being biased he just loves football being played the right way. And that's hard to do when you've been at this job for 15 years. That's why Greg's great. Yeah. The little quirks about the game get him really excited still. Yeah. That's what Romo had year one. People loved that.

Yeah. I just saw this tweet. The Chris Berman, Abe Lincoln thing was just – did you see the here yeah i did and that was dumb and i don't want to defend it but did you watch him in post game no well i watched some of the post game but it reminds me my wife is related to abe lincoln by like seven relatives removed and it's the funniest thing of all time because she like tells the story like yeah like colonel johnston was was like abe lincoln's stepfather from his fourth mother and like we're yeah i'm like related to colonel johnston i'm like hon that doesn't mean you're

related to abe lincoln it's like some like long convoluted. And that was, that reminded me of her trying to explain like sneaking Abe Lincoln to like any discussion about lineage was Chris Berman being like. I don't know why he went for it. It was not the right reference. Oh, I mean, he just was. Go look it up. If you aren't sure why james like jay williams right now look it up i shouldn't laugh that hard we should celebrate what he was talking

about not with a wicked reference it was a great it was a great historic night for for mahomes and jalen hurts any final words about the super bowl well i think it's funny that elon musk tweeted go eagles and then deleted it. That's just funny. I just love everything about that caricature. I hate the media! Sitting with Rupert Murdoch the whole game. Alright, like, come on, buddy. It's just

a character on Twitter. It's all he plays. Let me get a couple more semi-serious football questions out of the way because then we'll take a little break here. I won't see it for a little bit. Alright, last few off-seasons we've talked a lot about Eric Biennemi and we are at times

being surprised he wasn't getting certain jobs. Andy Reid seems to go out of his way to praise him yesterday. He obviously his unit did a lot of great things. Very well coached second half. Does Biennemi get enough credit and is this the year he gets a big job well i mean the jobs are filled right i mean the colts filled their job supposedly

arizona is left and it looks like but if the colts i mean the colts could back out of supposedly offering the way out coached guy from the eagles well eagles off it's a coordinator not the defense coordinator eagles off its coordinator shane shiken and then it looks like the cardinals are hiring either the defense coordinator of the eagles or defense coordinator of the offense coordinator Shane Shiken and then it looks like the Cardinals are hiring either the defense coordinator of the Eagles or the defense coordinator of the Bengals I don't know why

he won't get a job man I've talked about it before doesn't make sense you know the excuse that he doesn't call plays well Matt Nagy didn't call plays Doug Pearson

didn't call plays he should I don't know he's two times Super Bowl champion now I don't know I don't know what else he has to do

there's nothing else to prove and Andy seemed to be doing everything he could to show this guy he always is, yeah. He had his arm around him. He's right there the whole time. All right.

Well, we'll keep an eye on that one. Aaron Rodgers is apparently maybe by the time people hear this, will have been traded to the Jets. A lot of things have to happen before that. I don't want to talk about this all offseason. If Aaron Rodgers is a Jet, are they relevant? Yeah. No, they're not.

I'm going to try my best to not talk about Aaron Rod rogers ever anymore that was a trick question they're not i'll let him argue with my brother on social media i like it when he does that all right last one good find by hank uh tweet from a guy named brett hanfling he took a picture on a flight where everyone on the flight is obviously watching the Super Bowl, except one guy who watched you in the movie. What movie would you watch instead of the Super Bowl, Jeff? Okay, so Shawshank Redemption, for sure. All right. Devil Wears Prada, talked about, one of my favorites.

I got to throw in like Pitch Perfect, maybe. Pitch Perfect, yeah maybe a little entertainment value there a little singing and dancing oh Den of Thieves a little action there that was so funny dude and then this guy's just watching Hitch

you would probably watch Fletch no stop it with that shit I don't like Fletch I'm anti-Fletch you watch a new one with Jon Hamm. I don't like Fletch. I'm anti-Fletch. You get us. Did you watch a new one with Jon Hamm? No, I didn't watch the new one with Jon Hamm. Well, no disrespect to Jon Hamm, but a movie I already thought was slow and not funny with Chevy Chase,

you're going to put someone less funny than Chevy Chase in? Like, that doesn't make any sense. Well, I mean, it's for you. Yeah. Jeff, it's been you. Jeff, it's been nice talking football with you every Monday and Tuesday of this football season. Yes. We'll continue it.

At some games, you deserve a little bit of a break, right? Maybe not two a week for the next few weeks. We'll figure it out. We'll talk off. I'm going to New York this week. Got some things happening. By things happening, I mean nothing. Just continuing to work.

That sounds really cool when you say, I got things in the hopper. Nope, nothing. All right, guys, please rate, review, subscribe. We will be back next week. Great end of the year, man. Great Super Bowl. Great season.

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