Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Training Camp Reviews, NCAA Rule Changes and the Aaron Rodgers Saga is Still Going?!

Episode Date: June 29, 2021

Geoff is joined by Gabe Goodwin to discuss the upcoming COVID optional opt out deadline and how it relates to Aaron Rodgers. They then talk about the NCAA's new name, image, and likeness rules kicking in and how much to read into reports out of training camp. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

it's tuesday june 29th i'm jeff schwartz alongside gabe gill and this is jeff schwartz to smart you this week we're going to hit aaron rogers again because the story just will not die the college world series had a little covid protocol situation which will happen in the nfl and um gabe wants to talk about the jets i don't know why but gabe is a jets fan he wants to talk about them so we're doing that gabe how you doing buddy no i first of all i don't want to talk about the jets i want to talk about how stupid people talking about the jets right now is the that's the point of this show when we came up with it jeff was you just you have a really good ability to cut through the media bs and to tell us what actually goes on in the nfl and you're you know you're great with it on the field but in the off season you're

especially great at it because you can just call it out and there's some dumb shit going on with the Jets there's dumb shit everywhere it's everywhere they're dumb shit everywhere there's a story today that that one of the Steelers offensive linemen second year guys Kevin Dotson from Louisiana who my boy trains who I know is in shape and there's a story from some guy in Pittsburgh who says he talked to some coach who said he's out of shape which is just utter bullshit it's not true like i i know kevin he's not out of shape and just it's just that type of season it's just makeup story season well i don't want to needlessly throw anyone under the bus but um there's a guy who has a reputation for sort of making up takes mike florio yeah there you called him out

not me uh florio has that reputation certainly among players um and guys like yourself and so he's going to be the one who kicks this off okay he provides us a wild but very interesting aaron rogers take this week and a lot of people have jumped on it so let's let's dive right into it and this will start a series of idiotic things to discuss in the offseason. He has still not indicated, Aaron Rodgers, that he is going to come back to the Packers this season. He's obviously been sitting out some team activities. And now your boy, Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk, is floating the idea that Aaron Rodgers could use the COVID opt-out and keep about $18 million of salary instead of having to hold out the

traditional way. So this would mean that basically Aaron doesn't have to show up and play for the Packers, keeps almost all of his money, sits out a year, and then who knows, has three years left on a deal and could do whatever he wants after that. I think that this is the Rogers camp floating it to try to create some kind of urgency or leverage with the Packers. The deadline for COVID opt outs is Friday. This is Rodgers playing 4D chess and Florio's just moving the pieces on the board for him. When I saw this story, I thought this was the perfect story for when Gabe comes on the podcast. Yeah, baby. I'm smart about this one.

This is right up your alley. I'm smart about this one. This is right up your alley. Yeah, so Rodgers would get his signing bonus or his roster bonus and his signing bonus if he opts out would equate to $18 million. And then he wouldn't get fined for training camp, right? So that's another win for him, which actually I think ends up being, yeah, so basically $20 million, right? Because he doesn't get the $2 million.

There's zero chance Aaron Rogers opts out on Friday for COVID like zero chance oh yeah there's no chance um because this is final if you opt out there's no opting back in so if you opt out Rogers saying on July 2nd or even before that he makes a decision now I'm not playing football this season no matter what he doesn't know if he has a jeopardy deal yet he doesn't even know if the packers are talking about jeopardy who cares he doesn't even know he doesn't even know if if the packers will beg him to come back yet you know as we get closer to training camp his leverage is closer to training camp when the

packers might freak out and be like oh no we can't actually go to training camp with Jordan Love as our quarterback. That's when his leverage really begins, right? It's training camp, the starter camp, training camp, the preseason, the regular season. Right now, there's no leverage. The Packers do not care he missed the offseason program. They find him for, or excuse, absence him from minicamp.

Like, who cares? What matters is the leverage he puts on the team in training camp. He gives all that up. If he decides to not play this season. Yes, he does keep the money if that's important to him. But Gabe, it doesn't solve his problem because then next year his contract tolls over. He still has the same many years left with the Packers.

And I don't think Aaron Rodgers wants to be out of the limelight for that long if he opts out July 2nd that's it bye-bye like you know you do it right before 4th of July you do it right before anything really happens in football you're forgotten about as soon as training camp starts you know in Green Bay you'll be talked about but but that's it right because there's no there's no saying well Rodgers might come back any day. Jordan Love is playing poorly. The Packers ought to pay Rodgers. It's Jordan Love or else. Like there's no talk about Aaron Rodgers.

To me, his ego won't let him do that. They will not let him be, he will not let himself not be part of the NFL story this season. Okay, fair. You know, I agree. But this story came from somewhere. And whatever you might think of Mike Florio

and thinking he just pulls crap out of his ass, like, this notion needed to be researched. This is based in complicated rules and rules that haven't existed before. So somebody surfaced this as a possibility. And my guess is people close to Aaron helped surface this because they think that it makes the urgency issue in Green Bay go, oh, crap. If we got to pay this guy 18, 20 million dollars to do nothing all season long and we still have this problem next year, maybe we do just trade him to Denver. Screw it. Let's just take what we can get.

Well, they already accounted for his number for the cap this year, right? The Packers did did they have a young quarterback who's you know jordan love is on a rookie contract yes teams generally don't want to pay players who are not going to play but that money's already accounted for this season okay that's a good clarification and they're not gonna they're not gonna now go out and spend the money that aaron rogers forfeits them this season right like they're not there's no one they're gonna go out and sign to make up that money plus i think I think, again, I don't know how the cap works with the cap numbers and the post-June 1st and all those oddities.

But, like, it's already accounted for this season. So, again, I think Rodgers doesn't want to be out of the limelight. And the Packers, look, if Rodgers opts out, here's what they say, right? Well, Jordan loves our guy. We drafted him. He's our guy we drafted him he's our guy now if he doesn't play well that gives rogers incentive to come back or the packers beg him to come back and pay him more money but rogers won't know if that's the case so jordan actually plays football

also game if jordan love does play well which i'm skeptical about but in this offense the way things are schemed up it's possibly plays better than expected then everyone's like all right well we don't even need rogers like all right bye and then i think it diminishes rogers role in this offense last season if jordan love could put up those numbers well aaron rogers whatever man like we'll just get someone younger goodbye i don't think rogers wants those scenarios to happen i think he wants jordan love to play him to play poorly especially in training camp and then they just end up caving and giving him guaranteed money so do you still think this is and this is a naive question but you really still think this is about him extracting more money or more guaranteed money like yeah i i yes i think that that two things

can can make this happen very quickly one is a trade jordan love which is not going to do two is look a roster is is made up i think it's 55 guys now i don't maybe it's it's still 53 i think it's 55 now um you know a large majority of the roster is constructed based off of draft picks and based off of of money allotted to a player, right? How can they afford to keep a guy, not keep a guy? The starting lineup is often determined by how much guaranteed money a player is getting, right? If someone's getting paid more than someone else, they're probably going to pay that guy because they don't want the money to go to waste. And so if they give Aaron Rodgers two two years of guaranteed money two more years of guaranteed

money they're not playing jordan love for two more years they're gonna let rogers ride that out now he might suck and that might force him to bench roger at some point which i don't really see happening ever um but if you guarantee him two more years even even even three more years which seems a little bit much that almost guarantees jordan love never plays for the packers and it guarantees that Rodgers remains the quarterback for at least those two to three seasons which is what he wants he wants a team to show him commitment to to Rodgers which is what Brady wanted by the way in New England the difference was they just kept winning in New England and so he stuck it out and he

continued to take those one or two year deals and the difference in New England was that Robert Kraft loved Tom Brady right that's like his son in Tom. And Robert Kraft helped in negotiations with Bill Belichick. There's none of that here, right? The president's not coming out. And really, you know, there's no owner, of course, with the Packers. So the president's not coming out and saying, you know, oh, you know, he's my boy. We got to re-sign him.

That's not how the Packers do business. Plus, Rodgers has alienated the front office. Tom Brady never did that, right? At least not publicly. And so I think that, again, all these factors, I believe, lead me to think that he will be back at some point. I just don't know. I still feel strongly it'll be before the season.

I just, dude, I can't imagine he wants to just not play this year man like i just i mean i guess jordan palmer who knows all these quarterbacks we're talking the draft he said absolutely and jordan knows well his brother carson sat out if you recall but the bangles and packers were in two different spots too right like the packers the entertainment game two straight years they're on the rise they're moving in a good direction. I thought last year's draft, look, I wouldn't have drafted Love, but they drafted Savage this year. They seem to be going the right direction.

And is he really just going to sit out? And then if Jordan Love plays well, he looks like an idiot, which again, may or may not happen. I don't know. I think he's going to end up playing at some point. Yeah, I mean, he knows. I always bring Brett Favre up at about this point in our conversations. He knows the risk he's taking letting the other guy play.

Because, you know, Brett Favre opened the door a couple times, and Aaron showed people, hey, man, like, let me cook, and I'm going to go win a lot of games. We don't need this old guy anymore. And, you know, it might be harder for him to admit about himself, but like if he lets Jordan Love out there with a team that has a very good offensive roster, we could say some things about their defense. Their offense is very, very good.

Dorks like PFF, your buddies, they rank him with a whole bunch of stars on that team, no matter how much Aaron might complain. So I don't think he wants to let Jordan Love get a chance to run with this offense for too long but still i do wonder if he just sat out a year seeing tom brady play till he's 106 does aaron rogers just think yeah it's fine i'll just get beat up less for one year come back and play three more years when I'm 38. Big deal. I guess so.

I'll just say that I think taking off a year at his age is not going to be ideal. He's going to enjoy the life of a retired player. And at that age, when you kind of have those years, I don't, he's not gonna come back with the same motivation. I don't think so. No,

no. I think he's going to be, I think if he doesn't play this year, he's probably done playing, which again, does he want to retire this way? Like, peace out. I'm out of here. If you look at, look, these older guys, man,

they just play till the wheels fall off. It's not many situations where they just retire out of nowhere, like Rodgers would be doing. And Tom Brady, by the way, is the exception. Every one of these older quarterbacks kind of fall off a cliff, right? You look at Eli and Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees and I think Big Ben's in that direction right now. They just, they kind of, and Rivers was okay last year, by the way.

He wasn't that bad. He could have mixed with those in the playoff game. But I just don't think Rodgers is going to play until he's 45 and or be Tom Brady at 45. Like, Tom is one of a kind. I mean, I know you hate Tom. I do. His, like, his face looks younger now.

It kind of bothers me a little bit when I see him, like, those videos from the shop he was on. His face just doesn't fit. Are you turning this into a Tom Brady's handsome topic? His face just doesn't fit his into a tom brady's handsome topic his face just doesn't fit his age and it kind of bothers me but nonetheless um i i think rogers will be back at some point this year okay i know it bothers you that tom brady looks so so good looking yeah he's married to a supermodel you think he doesn't have botox or something around like what what why do you think he looks that way it looks like he got the... The guy... He doesn't drink caffeine.

He, like, won't even eat tomatoes because there's too much acid in them. Like, of course he looks good. His face looks a little tighter. Like, he's got some work done or something. I don't know. Yes, of course he's done that. Like, do you think he's got, like, a facelift?

Or do you think he's just got Botox? Botox. Yeah. Well, you're right about the Botox. I'm sure he had Botox. What? That stuff's probably just, like, on the countertops in his house. That'd be like've never had you grab it my wife so we're doing this on

video we're gonna put more video out this year but you have this little wrinkle right here my wife is like i'll give you a little botox i don't care it's a little wrinkle right there on my forehead yeah i got i got this one because i live in southern california and i'm always i'm always kind of squinting i got them right this one and this one and my wife is like no one cares how i look it's okay yeah jeff i i think you look great i don't think you need botox and i yeah i think that ain't gonna change the game for you get rid of that wrinkle it's gonna be the difference maker buddy you weren't here i don't think you were here when i told matt i got i had a i had some makeup uh done like last week for a thing i was doing and i the lady told me makeup lady told me i had beautiful skin i was quite honored i think you do have nice skin i don't know what that means i think it's very it

just looks very moist and supple it's nice so you call me fat you don't you know no no you don't have like uh like i i have a beard right now if i shaved you know you'd see like oh yeah i used to have some zits and stuff on my cheek but you don't have any of that i think you got pretty nice clean skin very supple skin i like it thank you yeah you're welcome before all right well so so just to wrap on aaron rogers uh i guess you're saying the people in denver who are tweeting that they were days away the trade's coming you're squashing their hopes and dreams there's's no chance. The Packers right now have no reason to move Rodgers. Even with the upcoming idea that he just walks away this season and pockets $18 million.

That money is already accounted for in the budget. Now, again, do teams like to pay players who aren't playing? Of course they don't. Of course they don't. But their team does not change one bit if Rodgers takes that money and doesn't play this year okay well it is 18 million dollars you get to save i understand the money that the money is spent from a league perspective but it's it is still money you get to keep uh and if he does in

fact sit out this year then you have to trade him right like then you have no choice but to trade him and you get even less for him because everyone knows he really isn't going to show up so if if Jordan Love plays well if he plays poorly then you might have to go back in on your hands and knees and pay him some money to come back yeah all right well I don't know if the Packers are handling this correctly or not I think this is going to start to become a little bit of a trend where if you are a hall of fame quarterback and you know it and you've got maybe a few years left on a final deal or you're angling for one more deal russell wilson might be in this camp you know you can make this hard and the question is how hard does the team make it back in response and i and i don't think we know what the right way

to handle it is yet because we really haven't been through this yet with too many guys well we had it blew up in the patriots face just remember tom brady was a free agent though he was free to go we even we haven't really had this with a veteran quarterback who wants out remember pay manning was a free agent he left he left and he was hurt it's we even see this with a franchise quarterback who wanted out via trade at this age we've seen with older guys who were free agents which which makes sense here okay all right well let's let's go the whole other end of the spectrum which is a unproven guy who um who's going to get all kinds of talk this offseason so the jets rookie quarterback zach wilson from byu and his new wide receiver weapon elijah moore uh them getting rave reviews the

coaches and beat writers they're all so so excited about what they're seeing in these workouts in shorts um and even better jeff and i hope you're picking up on the sarcasm uh wilson has reportedly quote already developed many strong relationships attending islanders playoff games with his offensive line oh yeah yeah he's going out with the big guys on the line gotta gotta gotta get to the coliseum yeah so uh i'd say this is totally meaningless nonsense that get written about by every rookie quarterback who gets into the league because the pr team needs to try to make it look like they got their franchise quarterback i think it's a bunch of nothing but everyone seems to buy into this he's getting along with his team there's a bunch of nothing, but everyone seems to buy into this. He's getting along with his team.

There's a lot of chemistry here talk. Do you buy it in New York? Do you buy it with Zach Wilson? Well, I wonder if this is happening because he wasn't a captain on his team. Oh, yeah. At BYU. Remember that? It's like the draft day show.

Remember the day where Bo Callahan, no one would come to his birthday party type of thing? So I do wonder if that is part of this. Look, I think a lot of chemistry is built in the offseason, and so I like to see the players hang out off the field. You don't have to live with each other. But I think that hanging out with your teammates is important. It's a good step in the right direction. And that feels like a positive.

Does it mean anything come Sundays? Not right now. No, because what happens is you need to, that chemistry has got to carry over to the offseason. I mean, to the regular season, to training camp, to how you play together. But players hanging out off the field, it's a good story it's good it's better than them not hanging out but doesn't matter no because guys right now are in different

parts of the country they're not all hanging out they're back training where they're supposed to be so the chemistry is not always going to be built in this exact moment but it's good to see them hanging out i mean they're both drafted in the same year i was i hung out every thursday friday saturday night with the guys that were drafted in my draft class, Nick Hayden, Dan Conner, Mackenzie Bernadue. We hung out every single weekend. No one ever write article about the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh round picks for the Panthers

are bonding together over some drinks at some random club in Uptown Charlotte. But this is, I mean, this is better than some of the other stuff, like Justin Fields is reporting two weeks early to training camp. I mean, whoopie. Like the coaches can't coach him. No one else is there.

I mean, I don't. All right. He's just going to go work out the facility two weeks before camp. I mean, all right. That doesn't give him a leg up in any, on anybody. Dalton knows what he's doing. Like the two weeks is not going to make it. Now it shows he's committed, I guess, but that's his job.

I mean, I hope he's committed to being the best he can be. But yeah, dude, we're fishing for stories now. But I like they're hanging out. That's good. I hung out when I got to New York. Went to a bunch of Rangers games. It's a lot of fun to go hang out with your friends, your new teammates, just to say, outside of the facility.

Okay. So you're going to say there's a little bit of value in it it's not a big difference but it's something is it possible for you know quarterbacks will even tell you they think this is possible but can you genuinely get chemistry just like slinging it around on an empty field with a receiver like is that real don't you just have to be in live fire and throw the ball against coverage to know if you have chemistry with the guy? No, I mean, I think there's chemistry built in kind of the timing of route running, right? Especially if you're running at full speed, like knowing when guys are going to break, how they're going to break, how the ball comes in from a quarterback, how hard it's thrown, how soft it's thrown, where it's thrown at.

I mean, that all does matter. But until the pads come on, it's hard to put it all together, right? So I think these throwing sessions are important. It's good to be, look, if you're not on the same page with a wide receiver in a non-padded throwing session, that's a problem. Put it like that, right? You should be in phase with your wide receiver

in a throwing session without a defense or without pads. But I think definitely the timing of the the route and the rhythm of the route and the throwing of the route it is important to do those on air okay well then let me ask you this is sort of the media bs of it um and your boy florio is not involved in this story but isn't it kind of obvious that like somebody said from the team off record that coach loves the way they look together like isn't that the dumbest reason to write an article of all time like of course the team is going to say that the new guys they just invested millions in are getting along and playing well together

would they would the story exist before we could see it that they're not playing well together when would that ever get said to any reporter ever yeah it's definitely being said to pump them up i mean that's not a surprise um but i i yeah i i mean this was what was said about sanchez this was what was said about darnold like why would this be any different at all well that's my point is that it matters when you get on the field like right now now, it's great. They're doing this. And it's something that, again, I should encourage younger guys to hang out. But until that manifests on the field, this is just silly talk.

All right. Well, so then let's imagine it does manifest on the field. And Zach Wilson, despite all the things that I think, turns out to be a pretty good NFL quarterback. Still, with that roster and that line, like, is this actually a competitor in the AFC East this year? Because it seems like about the hardest division in football to me. I like where their offense line's headed, man.

They're doing some good stuff. They're adding Morgan Moses now. I just, you know, it wasn't as high on Zach Wilson as others were. So I would say just kind of like see i i just wouldn't trust very much this season with them okay i don't trust anything because i think they're gonna lose five out of six games in the division okay like five out of six losses i i maybe they steal one against miami like or or new england but they're not going to get more than one off either of them i i just i don't see it so then the question becomes we like to talk betting when we can here i saw um plus 800 for offensive rookie of the year award for zach

you like that bet even if you don't love him as a player do you like getting that kind of plus money for him i mean he's gonna play right away right but he's gonna play he's gonna have chances he might throw for 3500 yards just being out there he'd probably throw for 50 picks if he's playing that much but um i i would think that i i don't know i i wouldn't make that bet even plus 800 you're not touching that... I don't know. I wouldn't make that bet. Even plus 800, you're not touching that. No, I don't think so. I don't think I am either.

All right, let's shift gears. This is a little bit of a deviation, but I think it's going to have a football tie in here. Let me try to explain this a little bit. Or sorry, this one is directly football. I was thinking about the College World Series stuff that you teased earlier. We'll do that and moving the line in a second. Let's talk about Graham Mertz, the quarterback over at Wisconsin. So he put out a video the other day that showed off his new logo, which kind one of the first big examples of a guy trying to tap into the new rules that allow for guys to profit off their name, image and likeness. Now, he jumped the gun slightly. Technically, July 1st is when this all should start to go into place.

And that might be an issue. We'll get into that. But I just want to know, are we about to see a whole wave of the bigger name players in college football start launching their own brands? Is this going to be the thing this year? So for those who are unaware, July 1st, which is coming up very soon, is the day that name, image, and likeness, the ability for a player on scholarship, an athlete on athletic scholarship, is able to market themselves for the first time ever for the long forever forever jeff schwartz was not allowed to go in the community as an organ duck and take in a marketing deal take in any sort of money to do an event to go sign autographs to go take a poop at someone's house whatever like it was like i was never able to like

to get paid to do anything right legally i mean you know there's ways around that forever now it's legal should be legal so july 1st is coming up some states have laws already on the books to start about in california their law doesn't take place till january of 23 of course california would do something good and then wait three years to actually have it happen um kentucky for example has a governor's order executive order for names like this there's no set way on how this is going to work it's just happening on july 1st which is a problem so we're seeing graham mertz we're seeing a linebacker coy dang of of cal put on his instagram hey guys july 1st is coming dm me i'm open for business um i've heard stories of quarterbacks by the way from a legit source i it's third hand i mean like i'm getting it from him

who got it from someone else but that a quarterback who's actually not even that popular in my opinion is up for a million dollars this year naming you like this which i get yeah that's the face i made too i'll believe when i see it so what i think is going to happen is this game everyone's trying to find their place in this new college football world just like the nfl the most marketable guys are going to be quarterbacks the quarterbacks will see money now the question becomes will they see a lot of money will they see some money how will it come will it come when they're a recruit will come when they're at the school my thing with a lot of this is that if you're a local business person in wisconsin right and you're a and by the way boosters aren't supposed to be involved in this okay yeah right of course they're gonna be involved in this yeah is how much

money you giving and what return on investment are you seeking for that? Because if you're giving a lot of money to a quarterback, you need wins. You want wins in return, right? If you're paying for a college football player to come to your school or paying for that player to do marketing deals for you, you expect them to win.

Because if they lose, what value is that in you? I just don't know many business people who are going to put that much money into college football players, 18 to 22-year-olds, who really aren't going to win, right? I mean, it's like four schools have a chance to win. Now, recruiting-wise, though, recruiting might be different. I think, like, you have a school like Oregon.

This is a great thing for Oregon, right, with Nike. Phil Knight could just be like, oh, you want an internship at nike for the summer here's a hundred thousand dollars come be an intern or you want a nike deal go ahead and get that but again i i don't know how individually the players stand out away from their school right because we know and this i think that something that is a little devalued now the idea of the brand of the school right you're a USC guy right the brand of USC is very strong is Keaton Slovis the quarterback there is he that brandable outside that USC logo I would say not really not really right now so that becomes kind of the dilemma with all the names like this stuff i love that

it's happening but i think everyone's like i don't know how it's gonna work but most of us agree that it's not going to be as big as we think a lot of people are going to get a lot of money early on i was a three-star lineman from oregon i mean from california who went to oregon i mean maybe i see a couple hundred bucks every now and then maybe i don't i mean nowadays on social media guys have bigger followings it'll be social medias but look you live in the world of kind of some marketing stuff dude you need a lot of followers to get actual money on instagram like you need a lot now these promo codes that people get to hawk products they don't make any money from those for the most part like you need so like you need real, real followers, not fake followers,

real followers. And how many of these kids have real social media followings? Like, so I think that a lot of kids are going to, going to hit it big. Some will make some money, some will make no money, but I like that there's an option to do so at least. Okay. So let me, let me fire back a couple of thoughts at you. One, this, this idea of a player without the school's brand tied to it. Those guys do exist, right? So I'm, there's, I'm going to think of a few recent examples. So Lamar Jackson did not come from a school you really think about football much with or a conference you think about football much with, but everyone knew who he was. Everyone knew what kind of a player he was, right? He could have done something with himself that had nothing to do with Louisville.

Correct. There are a few players like that. You're 100% right. Trevor Lawrence, Tuatango Vailoa. There's plenty of those guys. But they're like the seven guys we thought they would be. Well, okay. But you even just in Tua and Trevor, like those guys are playing at football powerhouses that are maybe the brand is even bigger than the player i'm talking about the the guy who's like a heisman contender from a school that isn't really known for much

you know when mike vick was at virginia tech like he was bigger than anything in virginia tech football history you know sure beamer or whatever but like it was mike vick and he could have made a ton of money if those rules were in place then so i think there are exceptional players this this guy who dove into the water first might not be that graham mertz is not necessarily that guy at wisconsin but if there's if there's teams and i know that they exist if there's teams and businesses built around trying to get these guys the opportunities within the letter of the law and helping them create opportunities for themselves to not just to brand themselves but also to make media for themselves i do think some of them guys like you at that stage in their career could make some money could could have an outsized level of

influence in social media or with a podcast or making you know tv segments so there are some players um who was it at usc i think he just graduated he got drafted but there was a player who had um like a youtube channel with him and his girlfriend that got like 100 000 subscribers like there's there's definitely ways but i think it's a one or two percent of players i don't think it's this big fair this big like giant huge pile of players that that makes money um look the schools are going to help facilitate i mean look that app cameo right the little cameo app that you know i don't know if people use cameo app um you know you every player can have one of those now and you the booster can be like here's 500 bucks to give me a you know like so there's little ways to get here and there to get guys involved um on making money i think it's a great idea that they're allowed to do this

now that they're open to doing this i think the schools will have people in place to help the players decide exactly where they should go with their branding opportunities because look i get it if organ says no player can endorse under armor when we're in nike school like that's that's fair right that would work in in any business example, I'll give you an example of like my life recently, where I'm at the Super Bowl in Miami for my brother's Super Bowl. I'm sitting there in the little Chiefs family session

before the game, probably five hours before the game. My agent texts me and goes, hey, Trojan condoms, I think it was Trojan condoms, wants you to, is offering you like $1,000 to tweet out something about wearing Trojan condoms, like do it like now, before the game. And I was like and i was like i was like uh not not really my thing like and she sent me like an example tweet and i was like i mean i make i make jokes about being married and like that sort of thing but not like that like it's not really what my brand is and it's like i agree i

brought it to you but like i i just it's my job to bring it to you i was like okay we're so we're off in that right like you need someone in your life these college kids to tell you hey this is not the dude the tweet was so it was like it was like when i get on my wife i wear trojan condoms i'm like what am i what is this not as they ever tweet i'm married with two kids like that's not like it was something so outrageous like something i would never again not at all it's like the trojan condoms but like just just ridiculous and i was like yeah that's i'm gonna pass on that one there like i'm sitting in the miami at the super bowl tweeting about about condoms and sex before a game not gonna happen you're my first choice as a condom spokesperson i mean you do have nice skin we've established that yeah thank you where i think name and your likeness is gonna help the

most by the way is and we're seeing this uh very recently if you paid attention to the olympic trials which i mean i i have i like watching track and field and it was all organ too which was nice um is olympic sport athletes olympic sport athletes are going to have a lot of opportunities to cash in when they're Olympians, obviously, right? You can now have endorsement opportunities. Jeremy Bloom is very famously was a wide receiver at Colorado. I think he was a freshman All-American or freshman All-Pac 12. And he was an Olympic skier and he had to choose.

And that's why he made him choose. He chose skiing, obviously, as I probably would too. He played a little bit in the NFL. He won a gold medal. But he had to choose and that's why i made him choose he chose skiing obviously as i probably would too he played a little bit the nfl he won a gold medal but he was had to choose one or the other i think even so uh in women's college basketball uh you remember sabrina inescu was at oregon who went to went to was drafted by the liberty in new york i think so i forget i'm sorry if i ruined the team she was drafted by in college she would have made a ton of money at Oregon. There's now a girl in Connecticut, Paige Beckers. She would make a ton of money.

Like, in a smaller sport, but you're the superstar. And girls, you're beloved by all these girls. You will make money. Again, like the three-star right tackle like me, I'm not making any money, but that's life, right? And so the question now becomes to Gabe is that how much will there be resentment in the locker room from other players who don't get as much money?

I don't think there will be because it's not in the NFL. So these kids are younger, a little bit less mature. That's why I think the school is going to try to set up a way for sort of everyone to get just a little bit, just a little bit. So everyone's sort of happy enough to where they don't cause a rift in the locker room. Well, also, I mean, at the pro level, quarterbacks, I'm sure this was the case for you. You probably have a few gifts from some quarterback who made a whole lot of money, buys a nice gift or takes the line out to dinner every year we always read about it it's usually

about this time of year where we hear those dumb stories but it's true it really happens and i'm wondering you know if the quarterbacks decide to take care of their guys and they're the ones who host the parties and you know it's we're talking hundreds or thousands of dollars not millions but if you're a kid on college campus and you're, you know, the quarterback buys everyone a PS5. Like that's a that's a nice thing to do. And maybe you can do that under these new rules. So I feel like it could have some positive benefit even for the three star right tackle. Well, yeah, I mean, a dinner would be nice.

I think we're, you know, people again thinking it's going to be like some boondoggle. It's not going to be for everybody, but I'm excited to watch it happen. It's dude, it's going to be like some boondoggle it's it's not going to be for everybody but i'm excited to watch it happen it's dude it's a shit show man i saw a great tweet today that was like um it was like it was like the ncaa had i gotta find it man like the ncaa had all this time to figure this out and just completely couldn't do it like i mean it's no surprise right like that that was i mean it was exactly what we expected it to be which was a shit show um but they had a chance to make this here make this right and just never did they knew for years that this can happen here's a tour the ncaa has hid from obs obfuscate i can't say that

word obfuscation there we go or lied their way of every single issue in college athletics except a handful that threatened their revenue model and when they were finally pressed against their will on that they still did nothing which is exactly right yeah it's been a weird week for the NCAA well um all right should we uh let's talk college sports a little bit more but a slightly different topic the one I almost got into a minute ago um about college world series so, COVID tests, it's all in Moving the Line. We'll also get to some other rookie prop bets and some fun stuff for you. So let's take a quick break. We'll be right back with Moving the Line. Boom. And there it is. Wireless on the most reliable network nationwide. That's cool. But with my wireless, I get unlimited for just

30 bucks. Impressive. But does yours have 5g included of course and my wireless saves me 400 bucks a year that's because you all have xfinity mobile with your internet it's wireless so good it keeps one upping itself 30 per line per month taxes and fees extra compares pricing of top carriers xfinity internet required reduced speeds up to 20 gigabits of usage per line most reliable based on root metrics us report results vary non-endorsement all right welcome back jeff time for moving the line our little over under game we like to play here i want to know over under uh 50 chance the college world series story happens in football this season and for background basically nc state had a bunch of positive tests, even among guys who had been vaccinated. They had to forfeit.

They lose their chance at a College World Series title. Everyone's upset. It's a very confusing story. But basically, some failed tests and some discrepancies about who was or wasn't vaccinated leads to vacated wins. Thoughts? So I'll fill in a little bit of the blinks here so nc state nc state had unvaccinated players reportedly vanderbilt their opponent had a fully vaccinated team

and we've seen with the nfl protocols that fully vaccinated teams are not getting tested oh vaccinated players not getting tested so vanderbilt's not getting tested nc state is getting tested and two of their unvaccinated players tested positive which triggered a test of the rest of the team and therefore four vaccinated players tested positive six total players tested positive two unvaccinated which triggered the vaccinated players to to get tested and so nc state was determined to they have no players to play and they're out this is 100% going to happen in the NFL at some point this year unless the numbers go higher than they are now and look there are

some teams that are doing a great job some teams are above 75% those teams are going to be fine but you know I start talking about with with with with the Cole Beasley thing right is let's say you're Cole Beasley and let's say there's two other wide receivers in that room that aren't vaccinated or even they're a vaccine, whatever it is. And well, we have to be unvaccinated in this example. They're unvaccinated. And some players have shared, you know, Josh Allen has shared that opinion, I believe as well.

Right. Let's say him and Cole Beasley are hanging out and one test positive for COVID because they're there every single day they're being tested. They're both out for two weeks. They're being quarantined. They're out. There's no way around it. Those are the protocols.

In the NFL, guess what? Whether you like the protocols or not, it's going to stick to the protocols. It did last year. They're going to continue to do it again and they will continue to stick to the protocols that they want their whole season in. And so it is a competitive advantage to have your players vaccinated i think that when roster decisions are made between you

know the end of the roster the back end of the roster players that are vaccinated will get a spot over players who are unvaccinated whether that's fair or not that's what's going to happen game interesting right because if you had two players even a player who's slightly less the vaccinated player will cause you less headaches will be able to work out with the team train with the team will not be tested every day there's really no possibility that player cannot play because of covid or an unvaccinated player who who has a chance to basically ruin it for a lot of other people yeah i mean i guess if you're if you're talking about the guys who round out your roster i think what you're i hadn't considered it but what you're saying makes a lot of sense um i i wonder if

there'll be any pressure among players but you know i thought it was interesting that cole said he was speaking for a lot of other guys who aren't in a position in their career to say what he said you know and i don't want to get into the whether he's right or wrong about his choices i thought it was interesting that he felt like he was speaking for a lot of other guys and i and i kind of believe him i bet he is sure he is so i'm wondering if there will be pressure on vaccinated players to their teammates not from the team or the league or the players association but teammate to teammate say hey dude don't don't screw us over like you gotta you gotta do this man do you think that would happen is that a conversation you can

imagine happening yes imagine if you are in the offensive line room with me right five five starting offensive linemen okay three are vaccinated two are not vaccinated those two guys man i can't hang out with them in the facility i can't eat with them i can't travel with them i can't be in the sauna with them i can't be in the meeting with them i can't go out and eat with them i'd probably be like yo you have the freaking shot buddy so we can go to work and like you know let's try to win a championship like let's get after it um and the peer pressure of that from your coaches from your teammates um is now again if you're not if you're not taking the vaccine now you're probably not going to take it you're not gonna so so which is just

it's so upset this could be done in amer. It could be just completely done over with. It could just be done. We could just move on with our lives, but we're not. Now there's another variant and it's starting to wreak havoc in places. And you're not going to take it. So is the peer pressure going to get to you? I don't know. Possibly, I guess.

But if you're not going to take it now, especially when there's pressure from society to take it, maybe your teammates will change your mind. Maybe your coaches will. But I'll be skeptical. All right. Well, let's lighten it up a little bit here. I want to go back to your guy, Mike Florio.

I want to know, over under six and a half articles, Mike Florio will write, guessing which team Tom Brady was bad-mouthing on LeBron's show the other day. How much content can we make out of that? We covered this last Monday, okay? Florio has written an article every day about a different team. We all know it's either Ryan Tannehill or Drew Brees. And people believe it's Ryan Tannehill. Even though I think Matt's assertion of Drew Brees is actually pretty close. It might be Drew Brees.

He did the Dolphins today. Like, what the fuck? Dolphins? What Drew Brees. He did the Dolphins today. Like, what the fuck? Dolphins? What did they have to do? The Dolphins? I bet from now on. They didn't even know who their quarterback was. Why would Tom Brady be crapping them?

Yeah, I bet like from, you know, like in two weeks it'll be the Chiefs. Like the Chiefs will be up there. Packers. Every day something new. God, that guy, man. Like, just give it a rest, bro. No one's talking about this. If I did national radio today, guess what?

We won't be talking about this story anymore. It was a two-day at the most fun story that we giggled about, laughed about. And Florida was just being a dead horse. It's over. Tomorrow will be a different team. Just go to my Twitter, at Jeff Schwartz. I'll retweet whoever he talks about tomorrow. Yeah.

You got to get those clicks, man. That's how it works. All right. Rapid fire rookie prop bets. Here we go. Over under 4,150 and one half passing yards for Trevor Lawrence. That's a lot of yards for a rookie. Yeah, I go under on this one.

That's just a lot. I think Urbanyer is going to want to run the ball and kind of play keep away and and not have trevor do a lot i think trevor will use his legs a bunch this is a total yards bet i you know maybe like a i don't know 4300 i might take i might take some action on that like total including rushing but this is too many yards it's too many even with like 1200 Tebow, you don't think he gets to 4,150? I mean, I never spent so much time talking about a fourth string tight end in my life.

Well, I'm just saying, you know, if your tight end position is going to get you that many yards, it's probably a lot easier to get to. Yes, under. I'll take the under on Tebow props too, don't you worry. Okay.

I'll let that be the only Tebow reference today. We'll come back to back in a week or two uh over under 730 and a half receiving yards for jaylen waddle that feels low to me but i don't know rookies don't always have as many yards as a bunch of yards last year um this is i guess of course i don't this is the part of the show i'm not supposed to look at before we do it so i have no idea about what guys get normally i'll go over because i think he'll be a big target for two like he'll give me a guy who's underneath who catches the ball and gets a bunch of yak yak so you think a lot of that yaks coming yards after catch yards after contact whatever you want to use okay i'm gonna take the over there i think i don't know if i want to call

him this year's justin jefferson or anything like that different players yeah i think he i think he becomes a good fantasy pick though um all right speaking of good fantasy picks this guy's gonna go real early uh my keep my league is set up so you can't have a keeper until the eighth round so this guy should be gone well before then but over under seven and a half touchdowns from Kyle Pitts. Oh, over on that. Over, right? Oh, yeah, by far. I mean, now, granted, like eight, nine, ten touchdown catches for anyone's pretty good.

But a rookie tight end in an offense with Ridley already there, you know, there aren't that many touchdown passes you can throw, but you say over seven and a half. Yeah. All right. I think so. Yeah. Yeah. I forgot about that. Okay. Last one. This will be NBA related, but I'm going to bring it back home for you. So we've got four teams left. It's going to be a weird finals. I don't think it's going to be the finals that the network's dreamed of but uh let me ask it this way how many lebron rings in la do we have left over under 0.5 oh geez are we getting dame lillard in a trade is that part is that i think um i think alex caruso is locked up in Texas with a bunch of weed,

and they're going to need a point guard. I don't think Schroeder is going to be allowed back in L.A. So, yeah, they might make the deal. I would say no. I mean, AD can't stay healthy. LeBron is getting up in age. I mean, as much as he says this summer is spent you know retooling changing his number whatever it is i would say no all right window's already closed i think so um

now if ad is healthy they have a chance to win if they're gonna they're gonna find themselves a couple shooters man like get someone who can shoot the ball please you have a chance to win i would say i would say no yeah that's why the ben simmons trade talk made no sense to me it's like oh yeah let's get ben simmons in there trade talk for ben simmons i mean there's a rumor for everything so uh no well listen mike i can tell you this jeff you don't follow basketball quite the same way there's like a hundred mike florios for basketball if you think he's just trying to write Tom Brady stories every day off the same, you know,

soundbite, go check out an NBA Twitter, man. You could find a Dame Lillard or a Ben Simmons trade. Yeah. I've never, I've never seen NBA Twitter defends their league more than any other league of fans.

Like they just go hard for the nba man like like like baseball fans are like what is man for doing with the sticky stuff stuff like they're just like they're pissed about it they don't like it you know nfl fans bash goodell all the time nba fans say nothing about bad about the league ever ever it's unbelievable like i adam silver's not paying you to say nice things about the NBA. It's okay to kind of poo-poo the NBA sometimes. Yeah, that's an interesting – I wonder if it has to do with the age or why that is. Have you noticed that, by the way? A little bit.

I mean, I don't think it's quite that black and white, but, you know. I think it is because a lot of the media is more connected to the players and the ownership. Oh, for sure. And I think in the NFL, a lot of the media is kind of league-based, right? Like, they get a lot of information from the league. And it's just, there's a different vibe with NFL fans. I mean, they freaking hate Goodell.

Yeah, that's... I don't know how to respond to all that intelligently other than to say this because you you brought it up and you're a big baseball guy i i don't pay attention to baseball this time of year even the mets are having a great year and i'm like whoa mets maybe i have to take them seriously but i still i'm out in la i can't watch baseball but this nonsense with the calling out all the star pitchers and basically accusing every one of them publicly of cheating. I don't know, man.

I don't know what to make of this, because on the one hand, it seems ridiculous to try to embarrass your whole league and, you know, call out your best stars. But on the other hand, like more dingers, please, man. I don't need I don't need guys throwing you know two hitters i want to see home runs except your boy is the best pitcher in baseball the problem isn't a lot of run ever come at him man he's got nothing to hide oh and they did but but what is the point like i we don't need pitchers to get better we need hitters to get better well the point is basically that the spider attack they use is so pitchers have always used substances on the ball right and and they've used typically rosin and sunscreen or rosin and pine tar but what happens is the spider attack is extra sticky right

and what it does is it just sticks on your finger that extra second that extra you know split second longer and it creates faster rotation on the ball. And faster rotation on the ball means that your ball bites a little bit more and it moves a little bit more. So hitters forever have always hit balls that had pine tar and rosin on them, right, and sunscreen and sweat and Vaseline, whatever. And they always knew where it was going to go. Snot.

That's been a while, but yes, snot. Spit balls, like, you know, it does forever. And you, so even, so you sort of knew where the ball was going to go, even with the substances on there. Now with the spider attack, you kind of don't know where the ball is going to go because it breaks so hard. Or, you know, even a fastball, it rises a little bit

or it moves a little bit more than it's supposed to, especially a four-seam fastball. It's not supposed to really go laterally at all. It's supposed to stay on the same plane. And so that's – now, I would argue that the philosophy of baseball and hitting is the reason why the batting averages are down, not the balls. But the reason with this, because I know baseball, people aren't here for my baseball, even though I love baseball and I follow it a lot, is that this is baseball's fault because they juiced the baseballs a couple years ago.

In response, the pitcher said, you know what? Screw this. We need some help. We're going to go to spider attack. And now baseball's in the situation they're in now. Instead of just acknowledging that they juiced the ball. It's funny. The hitters didn't complain about juiced balls then.

Didn't complain about the balls then. And even now, they're not really complaining because they know their pitchers are doing it too. So it's a problem that no one even needs fixed. No one's asking this to be fixed except Major League Baseball. They've caught one guy so far as of recording this on Monday, the 28th. They caught a guy in Seattle who claims that he was using rosin on his left, his glove hand, his left upper forearm was using rosin, and that's why his glove was sticky.

Who knows? But no one else has been caught. They've checked everybody. So I don't know. All right. Well, all you youngins out there listening to this show at the 50-something minute here, go check out the scene in Major League with Eddie. What's Eddie's name um

shit i'm gonna talk it's not on the ball everything vastly what's his name yeah crisco what what's his name damn why am i blind eddie harris eddie harris uh and eddie harris was a was a junk ball piker he didn't have anything left but these the aces now are using all the crisco so um well i'll pay more attention as the season rolls on Jeff. Thanks for making us a little smarter in the Aaron Rogers situation and, uh, making sure that I don't get my hopes up about the jets and explaining all this complicated stuff with NIL and COVID. So, uh, a good show.

It's nice to be back with you a little break here in the summer, but I'm happy to know we're, we're, we had a good show day with not a lot, not a lot happening. We made it work. So I'm glad everyone can tune in. Guys, we're two months away from college football. Week zero is two months from today. UCLA, Hawaii. I mean, who's jacked? Who could not be jacked up for that? Fresno State, Connecticut.

I mean, like, jeez. Woo! That's the football coming pretty soon. Alright, everyone. Have a good week. Have a good fourth. We'll talk to you guys after the fourth. Take care, everybody.