Geoff Schwartz Is Smarter Than You - Tua and Herbert Play Hurt (With Very Different Results) and the Chiefs Lose to the C*lts

Episode Date: September 27, 2022

Geoff and Gabe are back to talk through all of the biggest headlines from Week 3 of the NFL season. To start, did the Dolphins put Tua Tagovailoa back into the game with a concussion? And why didn't the Chargers take Justin Herbert out when they were losing by 20 in the fourth quarter? Also, the Chiefs dropped an ugly one to a team Geoff and Gabe declared finished just a week ago, and Tom Brady lost to Aaron Rodgers, but it's ok, he had plenty of excuses.Plus, on Moving the Line, Geoff talks Eagles winning, Lamar Jackson balling out, and Gabe's unhealthy obsession with Tim Tebow. If you like the podcast, be sure to give it a rating and subscribe, and leave a comment for a chance to be featured on the show!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

it's Tuesday September 27th I'm Jeff Schwartz alongside Gabe Goodwin this Jeff Schwartz is smart on you powered by the varsity podcast network and Gabe we have a very competitive NFL through three weeks it has been a lot of fun to watch the action as it happens in real time obviously every Sunday every Monday we have a lot to get to today including the Dolphins and Bills the Chiefs Tom Brady all the usuals. We're going to hit them right now. Gabe, how was your weekend of football? Both our college teams won in late fashion, so we should be feeling good today.

Jeff, we are, and I'm going to tell on myself because I think it's important to be transparent with the audience. You know, they're here for you, but I think they've gotten to know me and Matt Ford, even Hank a little bit. Yes. I was drunk texting you on Saturday night. I was up late watching the USC game. I'd been with the kids at the pool all day. It was just me and my mother and my wife. No one was paying attention to the game.

And I was like, let me give a long shot text to my guy, Jeff, while the USC Trojans mount a comeback. And you responded responded so then you had to watch me text drunk all night long yeah it was very quickly it was very um it was very uh quick i figured out that you have been drinking like it was uh the first text was corvallis is scary praying we escape yeah that's true and then caleb and uh some linemen how about the big men giving him the bush push to get across the first down marker the bush pushed i mean that that made up for the rest of the game when they couldn't run the ball or protect them um but it was a uh look usc is plus

14 in turnover margin through four games it is unbelievable uh as they continue to go down i actually i might put money on them to make the cultural playoff. I'm not quite sold on that decision yet, but their schedule is pretty easy. And Utah's best offense, a player just was out for the season. So just a little tidbit guys. I don't think USC is that good right now, but things are breaking all their way. So if you want to put some money on them, now might be the time to do so where I feel better about doing that.

But again, we're here to talk about the NFL. You did not drunk text me yesterday about your Chargers or the Chiefs. So maybe we won't start there with both our teams having disasters. We'll start with a team that might be the best in the NFL right now. Yeah. I mean, record-wise, they're in a small company here. So the Dolphins knocked off the Bills, the team that I was told the Bills already won the Super Bowl. So weirdly enough, they now have a loss in week three. So the story

of the game is that the Dolphins improved to 3-0. Tua wins. But the sub story that I really want to get into with you is Tua actually had to be helped off the field after what looked, you know, and I just say looked like a concussion. He got hit hard and then he had wobbly knees. His teammates had to be helped off the field after what looked, you know, and I just say looked like a concussion. He got hit hard and then he had wobbly knees. His teammates had to hold him up. He goes out off the field. They check him out. He comes back out in the second half. They win the game. So there's a lot of takes about like what's going on here. How is he allowed back on the field? What's wrong with the protocols? The NFLPA is investigating this. The takes are fiery. I want Jeff from you the purpose of this show is to set us straight here what really has to happen for a player to get

back on the field and do you think tua belonged out there all right so first off very odd game the bills had like 90 offensive snaps and the dolphins had 39 yeah um the last time this disparity happened where the team that with the more snaps did not win was actually coincidentally Bills and Dolphins, I think from six years ago. So, I mean, the Bills had any opportunity to win that game and they didn't. So the Tua thing. Look, we've watched a lot of Football Buddy

and he got pushed. For those who missed it, if you're listening to the podcast, go find it. But I think a bunch of us probably saw it if you're listening to this podcast. He got pushed down and the back of his head hit the turf. He gets up and I'm watching it right now.

He starts to run. He kind of just like shaking his head a little bit, kind of like he gets up stumbling. He's kind of shaking his head, like shaking his head back and forth, goes to run and then crumbles back down to the turf. And he then goes to take his helmet off and the trainers rush out. He's being held up by two offensive linemen. So he goes back to the locker room

and there's an independent neurologist plus his own team doctor. But I think in the end, the independent neurologist has to clear him of a concussion. It was originally reported that he was questionable with a concussion. Okay. He comes back in the game,

plays the second half, and they say it was a back injury, and those were back spasms that he had as he was walking off the hit. And look, it very well could have been back spasms with that one moment when he wobbled down. That's possible, Gabe. But the rest of it, him shaking his head a little bit afterwards

when he's sitting and getting up and kind of holding his head and grabbing his helmet, those things to me scream concussion. And immediately after the game, it was discussed that they're doing an independent review of this process.

Anyone really in the game, the NFL PA, the NFL can initiate a review of how this works. Anyone really in the game, the NFL PA, the NFL can initiate a review of how this works. And, you know, also like we've had back injuries, or at least I have. A back spasm that's that bad, you probably aren't coming back in very quickly either. And so it doesn't feel like,

and if you look at a lot of former players too, it's not just my opinion. A lot of former players got on social media and were like, yeah, he's concussed and announced today too, that he's not in the concussion protocol per my, you know, Mike McDaniels.

He doesn't have to be, cause he's not, he's not concussed. You know, a lot of people that have done this before that have been, you know, I saw David Chow get on there and say, Hey man,

he, you know, he was concussed, things like that. Like I, even if he let's say he passes the concussion test right basically there's an impact test we do and player by the way players have passed that test with concussions yeah i've had players that on teams that played sunday and then like monday morning they're like hey hey man, I don't feel good. I have a concussion. So you can pass the test.

The optics of a league that is very protective now of players playing through concussions and him back on the field, the optics are really bad, Gabe. Even if it was a back spasm. So it's a bad optics. Everyone thinks he's concussed. didn't help him win the game. I mean, they had scored one touchdown in the second half, I believe. Right. I mean, Buffalo had every opportunity to win this game, but nothing's going to happen from

this, right? Cause if, if they determined that protocols weren't, weren't followed, everyone's going to be fine. The Dolphins don't care about that. They have plenty of money. Um, they'll, they'll pay the fine and move it along. They're not going to suspend Tua. They're not going to go back at all and replay the game without Tua.

So the optics of it look really bad, man. And like I say, I think he was in cusp, if you're asking my opinion about it. I don't really – and even the Dolphins tweet out. I have it right here. I'm looking at the tweets. Injury update. Tua Tonga-V tongue of our lower has head injury is questionable to return i mean your own team tweeted that out and now all of a sudden it's a back injury so i think it's really bad optics man really bad yeah so the pa steps in uh and they alert the nfl that they want to initiate an

investigation and i assume right help me out here but I assume the investigation is not whether or not he was concussed, which is maybe hard to prove after the fact. But what was the communication on this? Was there a cover-up? Was there some sort of change in his status? They're looking into whether or not the team followed protocol and protected the player because their job is to protect the player, right? They're not necessarily, I mean mean everyone can see he was hurt so he he passed he said here in a quote i believe this is i think this is a quote from him he said i'm good i passed

concussion protocol again you can pass again plenty of players pass the protocol right that that and are concussed anyways right i mean we do a test at the beginning of the season before training camp before otas where we just get it's called impact test we get a computer and we do that but wait explain that i don't think most people know about oh so there's a i think it's still the same way but there's like it's a test where you they show you you know four numbers and five minutes later they show you the four numbers again you try to remember you know put them in order. There's,

you remember, it's just a bunch of memorization stuff, right? Just kind of brain functioning, things like that. And if you're concussed, you go back and take the test. And I can only imagine,

I never got concussed, that this would be extremely frustrating to do if you weren't feeling well, like it would, it just would piss you off. But again, players have passed that before, as I mentioned, and been concussed.

There's an independent neurologist who's supposed to be, and I would imagine the independent neurologist is part of this process, who is supposed to look at the film of the play, who's supposed to look at the aftermath of the play and determine whether or not he can play. Like, to me, all the signs are there that he was concussed, Gabe. Yeah.

Like, I don't know how you can determine it was only about, again, let's just say, let's just take that one three-second clip where he collapses to the ground. Fine. Back spasms, great. But what about the 15 seconds before that? Yeah. When he's shaking his head, when he looks kind of lost as he gets up off the ground,

with very clearly the impact of the back of his head on that turf with grass. the impact of the back of his head on that turf with grass but to me again the nfl with the way they have tried to make it a priority for players to not play through concussion and i saw even a change at the end of my career where players were reporting concussions that never happened man when i was first time i felt those eight nine ten you just played through it there was no luck again luckily i've never had that issue guys just played through it till they couldn't anymore now guys are volunteering hey man i don't feel good can i do you know can i get in the protocol can you test me out things like that it's just bad optics and again the game didn't matter yeah yeah two drove down and won the game but again buffalo scored three points second half so um it's not really the reason why they won, but I don't even know what can be done

to not make this happen again. I mean, I don't know. Fines don't matter. The coaches don't care about fines. No one cares about a fine. Yeah, well, and I don't know what this organization cares much about fines either. See previous offseason.

I guess the weird part about this situation is that they're playing on a short week so you know the two of us burrow game is always a fun one to hype but how does how does tua get ready if he's going to play and by the way i should remind people because i had to google it they got a pretty darn good backup teddy bridgewater could probably start for a few teams in the league he He's there as the backup. So he also has an ankle injury he's dealing with, they said, today for Tua. Yeah. So not a concussion protocol. So he'll play.

I mean, that had nothing to do with it. So back and ankle injuries. This feels like a game the Bengals offense should have a good go of it. Again, the Dolphins players played 90 snaps in that heat yeah on sunday and now they're going on the road on a thursday night game to play the bangles i don't know if you watch much that fourth quarter man it was all again it was mostly bills on offense and dolphins on defense man those guys played through it buddy it was hot it was hot it was sweaty dudes were exhausted and they freaking battled, man. It was great to see.

I think in the end, Buffalo, they should have won the game. I mean, shoulda, coulda, woulda, right? But I don't really change my opinion on any of the top AFC teams at the moment. The Dolphins are much better than I thought they would be. That's very clear. But Buffalo, minus like seven guys on defense played pretty well against this dolphins offense um and so i don't think it's that it doesn't to me doesn't change much about how i feel the top of the uh you know the top of the afc where i think it's still buffalo

to win that division all right fair enough but i think it's getting harder and harder to argue the fact that tua or the teams he plays on do just find a way to win. In this case, he might be damaging himself by doing so, but the guy's a winner. I don't know any smart analysis on that other than he just keeps on winning. conditions you played in carolina you know we know digs was cramping up we saw you know everyone's talking about alan was sort of crying onto his shoulder at the end of the game he looked more like he just finished running a marathon like yeah he was so just gasped like can you get try to describe for people what that feels like by the end of a game like that yeah i mean i think you saw like just the the exhaustion right just the inability to even move and walk and i mean josh allen played so hard in that fourth quarter a lot of it a lot of the game was running for his life he was making plays with his legs and running downfield um you just imagine you know that the

toughest athletic thing you've done and that's what it is it's you're just and you're and on top of that the physicality of the game too right it? It's not just the workout of your body, but also getting hit and pounded at the same time. You're exhausted. When you win that game, Dolphins' defense feels great today. When you lose that game, the Bills' offense feels terrible today because your mood obviously can come and go with the winning and losing. But the question now becomes, I think for the Dolphins,

the effects of this heading into Thursday. We've seen over the years that even overtime games from Sunday to Sunday, the team that plays overtime the next week just has a little tougher time. Also worth noting, Gabe, that, and I'm not even sure this was part of the over-under. I don't think it is. There's a lot of injuries this season so far. A lot of injuries. And I've made this point many times, and I think I'm right on this.

And I don't see any data to tell me otherwise. The players made a mistake to ask for less practice time. I've said this for years now when it came to CBA negotiations. The owners are very willing to give us back practice. Okay, fine, you want to be off every fourth day during camp? Why do we care? came to cba negotiations the owners are very willing to give us back practice okay fine you don't want to you want to be off every fourth day during camp why do we care you're still showing up on sundays and you know less otas and less time less time hitting and i understand look am i advocating for two days to come back absolutely not but there has to be a correlation between

the all these injuries and just not practicing football like it's a sport we have to practice you have to put your body under stress and you have to be able to to withstand you know weird angles you're at and the contact and and the physicality and the flexibility of doing everything i was remember i think it was um on saturday someone i was watching a college game and my wife asked me like how's this person not get hurt now maybe wasn't her someone else did and i said the flexibility like you you have to practice flexibility you have to be strong you have to be and you have to do it on a football field um and i don't think this is going to benefit players i've seen no data game to show me that that our careers are lasting longer because we practice less where is that at all i know is that the nfl

owners keep getting more money than us in the cbas because again they'll be like okay well you don't want to practice fine give us more money like you know fine great win for us they don't care so i'm not surprised well dude there's a lot of major a lot of teams too like not even non-non-quarterback stuff right like tj watt and rashaun slater now um yeah i'm sure there's a bunch of other ones that i just am forgetting about like important pieces to teams that um are really going to miss these guys the rest of the season and tj watt might come back yeah well i i was going to get us to rashaunater by way of Justin Herbert. So Herbert, like Tua, just sort of insists on being out there. His team loses.

It's a different type of injury, obviously. But, you know, I don't know. I guess I wonder at what point it's admirable and what point it's just sort of hurting your team to put yourself out there when you're not the best option. Now, you know, the Chargers don't have quite the same level of backup that the Dolphins do. You know, different scenario in every case. But like, when should a quarterback's desire to be on the field just sort of be ignored by head coach? These guys aren't Tom Brady. You know, Tom Brady, who's going to tell him no? So, you know, in college football, the coach obviously has more say in these type of things right yeah the nfl the player tends to have more say however when you're down 28

points at six minutes left you're not winning that game and and they had herbert in the game and herbert got hit on two straight plays to start that drive yeah and then one of their wide receivers got hurt to end the drive because again they're still pushing ball down the field just run the ball three times punt it and go home like the game is done it is okay in my opinion in pro sports to admit defeat sometimes college sports i get it you know there's still this like period and and the timing rules in college football make it a little different i mean we saw oregon score 21 points in two minutes yes we rules in college football make it a little different. I mean, we saw Oregon score 21 points in two minutes. Yes, we did. In college football, right?

Like, that doesn't happen in the NFL. And it's okay to be like, this game's lost. We have too many injuries. Let's just go home, regroup, and come back next week. And I love betting. This is a random side note, but NBA unders, Gabe, are my favorite to bet on because in an NBA game, have you ever noticed, like, they're down 10 points

with two minutes left. They're like, ah, we'll just, we'll get, we'll get them tomorrow night. Like they don't even, they just like, it's 82 game season. They're like, well, we'll get them tomorrow night. And, and it's what I feel about this situation. Like just get out of the fucking game,

like be done with it. And I, I question, and I like the Chargers more, you know, about the same everyone else did at the end of the season. But I always said, Gabe, that I never understood the hype we gave to a coach who had not made the playoffs. Everyone loves Brandon Staley

because of what he said on the podium, his aggressiveness, but he did not make the playoffs last season. And he got a lot of praise for being a good first-year head coach, which he was but again he didn't make the playoffs yeah okay and i think we're now we're seeing some of the concerns with his coaching style which is not really his style per se but the offense is just boring like for

the throw herbert made in this game where he's on the wrong foot off the wrong foot those at 50 yards downfield like wouldn't you put more of those plays in the playbook? Like, wouldn't you let Herbert do a little bit more? The decision, obviously, with, you know, with, again, the 28 minutes left, he's still in the game. There's just other poor decisions he makes in game now. He's obviously, he's like not aggressive anymore. It's like really, he seems to me like, like let's say they'll make the playoffs this season.

Is the Chargers owner calling Sean Payton? Being like, hey, hey coach, you want to come coach Justin Herbert? How many years, this is year three for Herbert. You're going to have to pay him after the season. Yeah. No, you're, yeah, you're three for Herbert, right? Yeah, you have to pay him after the season. Don't you want someone that can take advantage of him?

Yeah, I mean, I like coach coach staley but i hear your point uh i mean you can't just you can't have a guy who looks as good as this with when they're healthy as many weapons as anyone and uh and miss the playoffs in those scenarios especially because the supposed best team and our best division in the nfl is not looking at like anything special yeah i don't think I don't think it's that great right now. Well, let's get to the top team in the division then, Jeff. Your Chiefs. Yeah. So this was, if anyone is still alive in a Survivor League,

like, let's hand over society to this person. I don't know who you are out there if you're still in it. So the Chiefs go down to the Colts, who looked like they'd suck real bad up until that point. Yeah, the Colts still don't play very well in offense. Yeah, so we have vowed on this show not to talk about the Colts. I didn't realize that they were going to play the Chiefs. I certainly didn't guess they were going to beat them.

So now we have to talk about them. What the hell happened here? Because it seems like a lot of special teams went wrong. Pat wasn't all the way pat kelsey's apologizing on twitter you know what what's going on and does it matter with the chiefs um so especially this was atrocious right they they muffed a punt that led to a five yard you end up being a five yard drive for the colts for touchdown they missed a field goal an extra point um sky moore also um just didn't feel the punt one time.

The ball rolled down to the one-yard line. Even the final drive. They took the ball out of the end zone on the kickoff and ran the ball 15 yards. It cost six seconds. Like, what are we doing? It's just bad. So the offense, a couple things about the offense.

Look at one of those games the Chiefs have where they just thought, you know what? We're just going to win because we're the Chiefs. And, I don't know, we're going to, like, not do very much and try to win this game. It looked like that. It looked like they just didn't really try very hard. And they got their asses

beat because of it. It looked like a game plan from last year, not the first two weeks of the season so far when they've been better. I think we're starting to first two weeks of the season so far when they've been better. I think we're starting to see now some of the concerns about Tyreek Hill not being there where that Pat doesn't trust a wide receiver quite yet

to go to a big spot. He also, again, just doesn't take the easy throw. And in this offense without Tyreek Hill, you have to take those. You just have to do it. Everything that we talked about going bad for them all happened in this one game again I thought the play calling was bland and boring my the offensive line didn't play terribly well they didn't run the ball well my homes didn't play terribly all these things they all happened all at once and they still

could have won the game if that look the Chiefs lost for many reasons okay I just mentioned all of that defense by the way is pretty good I. I think the defense is pretty good for Kansas City. That penalty on Chris Jones for taunting Matt Ryan needs to leave the NFL, okay? It was a sack on third down that caused a fourth down. Chris Jones and Matt Ryan are talking to each other. You can see Matt Ryan engaging a little bit. They're walking apart from each other.

The head official's right there, and he flags Chris Jones for mean words, essentially. That, their shit-talking, had no effect on the game whatsoever. Nothing. Nothing. I don't even know what he said, but Matt Ryan didn't seem that offended by it, because afterwards he's like, ah, whatever, just like trash talk.

To have a 15-yard penalty and automatic first down for that, I do not like the way the NFL enforces this. It is a emotional, violent game. Guys are going to talk. And here's the thing. If they had talk, Gabe, but like two yards away from the official, this doesn't get called. But because the white cap was standing right in the –

by the way, the other official that was right there didn't call it. He heard the whole thing. Not going to say anything. But then the official got offended and threw the flag. Not why the Chiefs lost, but I've talked about this for years. It's just a terrible policy they have to flag for mean words on the football field. So Chiefs didn't look good, man. And now they get Tampa Bay's defense.

So it's going to be quite a way to kind of restart your offense against that defense. All right. Then two more questions, though, before we move to the Tampa Bay's defense, because that's all they have right now. Back it up for a moment. First of all, would it make sense to have guys on your team who know how to essentially troll the other team into saying mean words, but not cross the line themselves?

So whatever Matt Ryan did or said got Chris Jones to cross the line in the official's mind. But Matt Ryan didn't do anything I mean they're obviously both talking some amount of shit but Matt Ryan gets away with it Chris Jones doesn't so should you just train all your guys to know how to talk the right way no okay let's not spend time on that then how

about this one because I think you don't really want to talk about it but I'm bringing it up Shady McCoy who's now got a job over at Fox Sports talking every day this one because I think you don't really want to talk about it, but I'm bringing it up. Shady McCoy, who's now got a job over at Fox Sports talking every day. He saw something going on between Eric Biennemi and Patrick Mahomes. And then remember, he was part of this organization not long ago. He says all Biennemi does is argue with the players, knows nothing about passing or play calling. That's him on social after people are wondering what's going on between biennium homes what's your reaction to shady weighing in on this i think we've discussed eric biennium's you know head coaching um what's the right word head

coaching desires each year and kind of the interview process and how it works. I've said there has to be reasons, in my opinion, besides the obvious one, why he has not got a job yet. And for all these, he's interviewed with like 15 teams. So something else is happening.

And even with his history, that was like 30 years ago. I don't think that may matter, but probably not. And Andy Reid does this, this is his offense. Andy Reid calls the plays. And I don't know if this is, if Shady is being fair and saying, all he does is argue with the players. Like that's not true, obviously.

But there was disagreement between him and Pamos, which is interesting because if he's not calling the plays, why is he yelling at EB? Like, that's also partly what's kind of interesting to me. It's like, shouldn't he argue with Andy unless it's like a chain where you argue with EB first and then he brings that to Andy Reid next? That part didn't bother me,

but Pat just didn't look comfortable all game like the offense looked disjointed not in a rhythm and um again i think there's something just to this idea that something's happening behind the scenes where he just can't get a job a head coaching job and i'm not sure it's quite as he argued the players but something i keep hinting at, like something else is happening. I don't know what it is. And maybe this is part of it. Well,

listen, I'm going to just equate this to my world, which is production. And for a long time, television production. And I've worked on a number of different shows and you have the people who actually do the work and are in the trenches. They get up at,

you know, you go on some of these shows, Jeff, they're up at three in the morning. They're rundowns in they're putting their ass on the line to build all the graphics and all that stuff it's a hard job a fun job at times but a hard job and then you have the bosses and the bosses bosses and a bunch of layers of other bosses and when you get that boss who's in there swooping in to take credit when things are going well they show up at the emmy party and are making sure their name is

on in there with a big title but they're they're also the boss who's like sending the shitty email about how somebody screwed up but they weren't in the control room or they're criticizing the talent even though they don't really know what the process is for the talent people don't want to hear from that guy and it sounds to me like at least shady thinks that's who the enemy is i don't know if that's fair but that's what it sounds like but people around the nfl though give the offensive credit to andy reed though don't they like that's not really right but only eb tries to take the credit that he did i don't think i think other people try to give him the credit maybe yeah well so maybe over the last couple of years he started to feel himself a little bit more maybe but again i don't i'm kind of confused why pat talked to him first i mean

i i everyone i've talked to says that you know that andy calls the plays i think there are opportunities in the game where he lets andy reed is and he's always done this certain coaches have certain parts of the game that they kind of control. And I think Andy Reid has the final say in plays, but like, you know, the offensive line coach controls short yardage and goal line, right? Like they're going to suggest the play to run. You know, there's sometimes there's, you know, opportunities in the red zone where, you know,

quarterback coach in charge of the red zone, things like that. So maybe Eric Bannaby was in charge of end of game situations or end of half situations. Hank does put in here that, what'd you say, Hank, the video looked like? It looked like EB initiated it more than Pat did.

We need to watch it again. Which suggests that, you know, again, Biennium obviously knows Pat can just go around him and go straight to coach. And that's probably frustrating for him as well. So if he's like, Hey,

that's not what you were supposed to do. What the hell, man, to Patrick Mahomes and Patrick Mahomes is like, bro, get out of my face. If this is, if this is the,

if this is the full video here, I think, I think Pat was just like, no, he was, I think Pat was talking to him first and always, always a camera of Eric B enemy. I think he answers Pat first. It doesn't matter. think Pat was talking to him first. And all we saw was the camera of Eric Bien-Aimé. I think he answers Pat first.

It doesn't matter who's arguing with who. Players argue with coaches all the time. The problem is that this seems to be, you know, there was rumors about something that happened at halftime of the NFC Championship game. And it just kind of continues. And then, you know, Andy grabs Pat. And it's just, when you have an offense that played the way they did yesterday

and this is on top of that, then it makes you wonder a little bit. I'm not that concerned about it, but it's not a good look when you lose a game like that. No. All right. Well, let's talk about a couple other losers yesterday. This one brought me some joy. Tom Brady and the bucks lost so uh aaron rogers gets

the old man award of the week and i guess we still have to ask ourselves who the the best team in the nfc is now that the bucks aren't three and oh so i even though rogers won i wouldn't say that he was setting the world on fire i i guess i'm wondering je Jeff, what do you make of the NFC after three weeks of play, two of the best teams battling head-to-head in a low-scoring game? The Niners are obviously not it. We see the Cowboys and Giants on Monday. I don't think either of them is it. The Rams, who knows?

What do we make of all this with Brady not being obviously what he was the last decade? You're not going to like my answer, Gabe. Oh, God. Here it goes. But if you were missing three offensive linemen and your three best receivers. Don't make excuses for him. He's had that scenario already. And your tight end, who you love, is not there anymore.

Yeah, okay. I kind of feel like the offense looks like that right now um okay notice so interesting so the the play they scored the touchdown on to win the game you know the ball will snap pretty late in the play clock that playing the play before that major issues for alignment like major issues and that's part of it is that just the new guys playing this week then the two-point play obviously they took a delay a game again alignment issues were concerned there guys not knowing where to go i will note though the two-point play has a lot of delay games and the

reason why is they spot the ball while you're celebrating they spot it almost immediately and start and start to play clock and so while you're still celebrating and spot it almost immediately and start the play clock. While you're still celebrating and figuring, oh shit, we got to go for two. Then instead of 40 seconds, now you're at 25. Now it's at 20 and 15. You're like, oh crap. When you break the huddle with eight seconds left and you realize...

You think they're going to wait to run the clock until everyone huddles up, right? They don't do that. They run it right away. Then obviously they tried to change the play i think at the two-point play and they were going to run the ball and they would have a chance to get in it was the lane was there um i'm gonna reserve judgment on tampa until i see them back everyone with everyone healthy sorry gabe um can i can i can i ask you one question about what you just said yes is um is going to practice on wednesday a way to maybe work some of that stuff out

look it's not great um but here's so wednesday's practice is um we install typically our base package so we install you know our runs our play action passes our move the pockets um maybe three three seven dollars out of the game a little bit of that we we some teams will do a little bit of blitz stuff on on Wednesdays Thursdays are a big passing day it's all the pressures it's team pass it's a little bit of red zone so he's not missing the important day for what he's got to do it's just the way it is don't give me that eye that eyebrow thing you're doing um that furrowing your eye I'm just saying like if you it's not good it's not the way it is. Don't give me that eyebrow thing you're doing, that furrowing your eyebrow. I'm just saying, like, if you... It's not good.

It's not good. Put it like that. It's not great. It's not great, but I don't think it's going to matter as much when everyone's there. Fine. Got it. But not everyone is there. And you're giving this guy, Tom Brady, the ability, because he's Tom Brady and everything

he's done, to just make his own decisions on the field, especially as the clock is running down. So if that guy's not in practice when the team is working on those kinds of scenarios, and you give him the- So those scenarios are not going to be on Wednesday. Well, isn't that fine? That's one more day of work where you can be like,

hey guys, we don't really know what we're doing when we're down in the goal and clock running down situation. We don't know what we're going to do then. The center is not experienced with Tom. You're allowed to talk to one another at work, right? You might not have a meeting

to install a play, but can't you just get on the same page about stuff? I don't think this is because he misses Wednesday. If he missed Friday, I'd feel differently. Okay. Or Thursday, but Wednesday, not a concern for that part of it. I just think it's fair.

And look, we do this, I think, all the time with teams that are injured. Like, let me just, give me like two wide receivers back and two offensive linemen and we'll talk. Like, I just want to see that with, don't roll your, it's part of football. Like, let me see when these guys come back healthy.

But I thought the whole thing about Tom Brady was he's so good. He can turn anyone into a hall of famer. So which is it? We play well, the, the down, the, down the,

the final drive of the game, right? Russell gauge had 700 catches. But I, I, the thing about it is that it blows my mind is that he can do like, they can play bad for 55 minutes and all of a sudden they have a great two minute drive i don't know how that happens by the way i keep hitting my mute button

for the wrong microphone and i keep just like burping and just blowing my nose i thought you wanted to do that yeah i thought that no i i have i have a i have a mute button for my my radio headset i keep hitting even though this is not my podcast setup so all the noises you guys hear uh supreme accident my bad on those um transparent i liked it yeah thank you for being honest with us i thought we might be able to leave it in care no no i just i keep hitting the wrong button as i burp as i drink my after i drink um oh so inappropriate that's why no one will give us money to do this show lots of people want to pay for this show let me ask you this question jeff uh aaron rogers after the game talking to tom rinaldi on the field and he sort of you know being aaron rogers kind of like a wise

ass and he pointed out that they were able to see something on the jumbotron and then that sequence we were just talking about with the delay game on the two-point conversion that would have tied the game and then the subsequent play that failed what is aaron talking about and it like no idea no idea okay so unless they unless they like showed their the bucks play sheet i i don't know what could be possibly have been shown yeah in that moment and and so here's also one thing to note too so most often you enter the week with one two-point play, the one you really like, and then the other ones you run your offense. But now at fourth and seven, or really goal to go seven,

whatever you want to call it, seven yards to get on two-one conversion, that play is really out because you packed from the the two and the and the bucks ran a really simple pass concept and so i wonder if rogers i don't know what he would have seen maybe they were talking about the sidelines or maybe brady was like telling i don't know but it wasn't it was a pretty simple pass concept that's run a bunch and i wonder if they wanted to do something different i don't know but i don't know what i do have no idea what rogers would have seen that would have changed anything for the packers defense okay can i uh end this segment by going full circle i want to i want to

connect tom brady all the way back to the first topic of the show which was that bills dolphins game here's how i'm gonna do it at the end of the game, when the Bills lost, their OC, Ken Dorsey, lost his mind up in the coach's box. And there's a video that we've now all seen. Anyone who listens to this show has seen it. He's slamming his play sheets around his headset. It's kind of dorky, but, like, totally inappropriate. Just being an asshole and making a scene. Here's my theory.

Ken Dorsey doesn't do that if Tom Brady, the face of the league, doesn't make it totally socially acceptable to act like a baby all the time in front of cameras. If Tom Brady isn't spiking Microsoft surfaces like footballs, Ken Dorsey does not think that there's any scenario where that's appropriate. So they got to, they got to act on, forget about people saying mean words to each other. They got to act on people acting like assholes on the field. Do you think Ken Dorsey knows there's a GoPro on the corner of that, of that room?

It doesn't matter if he knows there's a camera or not. It's not a professional way to act. I'm not that worried about it. I will say the staffer that put their hand in front of that camera has elite awareness. Because the camera was, if you notice, the camera was shut off by a hand or was covered by a hand. Well, that's a nice job by that kid. I'll agree on that.

That staffer. Look, dude. Yeah, would I have done that? Probably not. But he was, I think he was upset because, I think it was McKenzie caught the ball with nine seconds left. He doubt, he should have been able to get one more playoff. And he didn't.

That's why he was pissed. I know you want to blame Tom Brady for everything. But I don't think that's Tom Brady's fault. No, I'm saying Tom Brady's. The fact that the league continues to allow him to have temper tantrums. And celebrate it as he just loves to win. As if every other player in the league loves to win too who is the person at blue duck most likely to throw a surface me i am yeah i'm

a hothead okay but you know what that's something i've worked on in life like you learn it's not an except what the way you are at 18 is not the way you get to be as an adult and a leader. You can't do it. I was told, Bernie told me you threw a surface like three weeks ago. You were pissed at Hank and you just chucked one in the office. Well, you know, Hank's different. We have different rules for Hank. So clearly, yeah.

Yeah. Mr. Groberg, if I ever throw a surface at your son, I'm sorry. ever throw a surface at your son, I'm sorry. Listen, by the way, Hank would know what to do with it because he has a Bachelor's of Science degree from the University of Texas. He'd be scientifically prepared for that. Texas is back. They are. They're all the way back.

Let's take a break. We'll talk college ball. We've got a few other teams to talk about, including the Eagles. Haven't mentioned them yet. 3-0. And a few other fun stories. That's on the other side of the break all right jeff we're back let's move the line quickly here people got stuff to do there are only two three and oh teams through three weeks the eagles and the dolphins maybe the giants on monday night people who are listening after will have to tell me what happened there. Over under 4% chance, two quarterbacks who co-won a national championship at Alabama could ever end up being this good in the NFL.

How weird is that? That those two guys are both 3-0. It's a pretty good nugget. I didn't think about that. They benched Jalen Hurts and 2-0-1 in the game, but Jalen took them all the way to the game. Yeah, the Eagles look good, man. I tell you what, low-key great game Sunday will be Jacksonville at Philadelphia on Sunday.

I will say, I was a big fan of Doug Peterson higher in Jacksonville. I made that very clear when he was higher. I think he's a fabulous coach, and Carson went his best season was with doug pearson obviously yeah he's done a great job with the jacksonville team they are a tough physical team um you know i think he gets that from that kind of the injury coaching tree by the way has those teams like they tend to be a little bit you know they run camp a little bit differently a little bit tougher because of what they saw under Andy Reid. They're a good football team, man.

They were second in the NFL in DVOA heading into this past weekend, and they kicked the crap out of the Chargers. So they're fun to watch, man. They're a fun ball team. You know DVOA is a stat I pay close attention to. I didn't even think about the whole Eagles. There's a lot of hype there. We got Heisman Trophy winners. We got some Bama-Clemson rivalry there.

We've got Peterson and the Eagles return. There's a lot of drama in that game. Yeah, we had drama in Carson Wentz returning to Philly for the first time. How'd that work out? So that doesn't always mean. Just broke the rules. We don't talk about him, Jeff. Oh, I forgot about that.

Yeah. We shouldn't bet on him either. You shouldn't. That's on you and Matt. How many teams do you actually trust to miss home field advantage and yet still win three playoff games in a row over under four and a half? Tell me if there's anyone who can do it without the bye. Okay. So, they actually would have to win four playoff games in a row, right?

To get to the Super Bowl. I want to know who can get to the Super Bowl without a bye. So, who do you trust right now? Kansas City. Yes. Yes. Buffalo. That's what I'm asking.

So, I would put Buffalo. No, they haven't done it, right? They haven't done that yet. I heard a great stat from our buddy, Nick Wright. They have not won in two years. They have not won a one-score game. Correct. They've either won by 15 points or more, or they've lost.

That's it. And we've talked about this because when you gamble on them, you're gambling them to blow someone out because that's all they've done. They have not won a close game. So I trust Buffalo. Okay. I'm going to quote that. Hank, mark that.

We'll bring this quote back up one day. Well, if they play Kansas City, I don't know if I... You trust them. But right now, in the AFC, that's probably it. Do we trust Miami yet? So you don't trust Miami yet? To win three playoff games, including two that are probably on the road?

I'm not asking you to say you do trust them. I just think if Buffalo's in that category, I'm not 100% sure why Miami isn't. So the thing about the NFL that I think is so different than college football is that one game to me doesn't define kind of like who you are, right? Where like in college football,

if you lose a game, you kind of get defined a little bit more, mostly because the playoff is the be-all end-all. It's really hard to get in the playoff. But to me, in the NFL, again, like the Bills had 90 offensive plays. They should have done more. I just look at it as they're just kind of like the Chiefs. They just lost a game they should have won.

So, again, but also, we haven't seen Tua do this yet in the playoffs. In the playoffs, right? They're a playoff team. They're going to be a playoff team game. But do I trust them right now to win three straight playoff games? No. Do I trust Baltimore right now? No, because they haven't done it yet.

Maybe they can this year, but they're so beat up again. They have so many injuries again. Again, they have so many injuries. Who else? Are you trusting the Chargers? I'm not making the playoffs. Hard to trust the Chargers now. We barely talked for Sean Slater, but he's looking like he's out for the year.

Russia Wilson? No. Colts? Jacksonville. I think there's... No. The NFC is just two. In the NFC, you have... In my mind, you have probably four.

So I trust Tampa. I trust the Packers. A healthy Tampa, obviously. I trust the Rams, obviously. Now I kind of have to. Yeah. And the Niners, I guess i mean i what did it last you watched that sunday night game you can't trust them i went to i went to bed at halftime thankfully so jimmy i went to bed after the the

orlovsky play how about that that was so great big win for dan win for him and sanchez i was joking romo's the only one he needs somebody to botch a field goal hold. Yeah, and he's in. That's it, man. Again, it's a very competitive season. It's not like it's not competitive.

It's just, you know, a lot of teams, I don't know what their end game will be, but good football so far. All right.

Lamar Jackson, you mentioned him, has, just him, by the way, not his whole team. He has scored more touchdowns than 30 of 32 nfl teams accounted for more touchdowns over under seven and a half more times the price of the brick

going up meme is going to go viral this season great wire reference i retweeted it myself are we going to see that seven and a half more times over under. Dude, he's playing good ball. I think, again, and he does a great job of avoiding contact when he runs. He really does. This is a lot of workload, man, again. Like, this is a lot this season for him. And I just, it concerns me long-term, man. Like, I know that part of the offense

is him being electric with his legs, and I'm for that. I get that. I've accepted that. But it's a lot of offense through him, Gabe, a lot. And I think if they get guys back, you hope that he doesn't have to do as much to help them win. And I think that's what the Ravens are worried about.

It's like the offense is so reliant on him doing everything himself. And he was great on Sunday, make no doubt about it played really well but I think that's the concern for the Ravens is and again it's part of their lead doing they don't have many wide receivers for him everyone's heard the running back room but he played great he was great next five games this is a tough stretch they're home against the Bills. So that would be an interesting look at the line on that game. Then they're home against the Bengals. So we'll kind of know where the Bengals are in another week. At the Giants.

Giants start hot. We'll see where they are by that time. And then home against the Browns before they go to the Bucks. So they start pretty well. Lamar looks like the MVP. Next five games could be a one and four, two and three, you know? Oh, yeah. I mean, this is the hard part about being a good team.

You typically go to play good teams. I mean, the Chiefs have, you know, they have, I think they have like Tampa Bay and they have another division winner, another division winner, another division winner. It's part of it. It's exhausting. All right. Let's move it along. Spotted the jags chargers game six guys at least i think there might have been more all wearing jaguars tebow jerseys over under 99 chance i got fomo and

thought about driving to sofi to hang out with those guys oh you totally did yes i did um do you have a tim tebow jersey i have a tim tebow jets jersey and a tim tebow mets jersey yes wow all right it's kind of upsetting buddy i told you the day tim tebow signed with the jets was probably one of the happiest it was definitely the happiest sports day in my life even better than like i guess you haven't won many championships your team no i don't win anything it came up at my wedding multiple times the mets might win this year the mets look pretty good yeah all right let's let's stay with that i love how i love how hank is shaming you and he's like a washington sports fan they've won like what the one nationals one capitals no one hey

the hockey thing's unimportant yeah i, I'm ignoring Hank in the chat. Hank doesn't have any right to weigh in on my fandom. Let's talk about baseball since you just brought up the Mets. Aaron Judge, home run watch is still on. Over under, this is a serious question, over under 1% chance more people watch the Yankees than the Giants in the tri-state area on Monday night. More people watch the Giants play.

Yeah? Yeah. Giants, Cowboys, bigger deal than Aaron Judge going for 61? Yeah. Have we determined yet whether 61 is now back to the old record, or are we still doing that thing where we pretend like the seven guys in front of them haven't hit more home runs? It's really three guys.

Actually, it was more. They only had two seasons above 60 yeah um we just pretend like those didn't happen i hate it i hate it it's it's lame right do we agree on that judge let's talk about him as a potential triple crown winner you know he's he's the best player on the new york yankees there's a lot to hype here. 60's amazing, but he's not a record holder of any kind. I mean, he'll be on the Giants next year anyway, so I'll look forward to sharing what he's doing in San Francisco. Really? You feel that confident?

I hope so. We've got to do something. Geez, we can't just roll out the same seven minor leaguers again and hope to beat the Dodgers. Dodgers. Bonus question coming up in a second but first uh because i'm not sure where you're going to take this your musical taste is all over the map we've covered that on this show over under 50 chance you're more pumped about rihanna than taylor swift as the super bowl halftime show. Oh, good question. Oh, it's a different, you know, like different audience, I think, right?

Like my daughter would have been super pumped for Taylor Swift. Rihanna, I think Rihanna would put on a better show. Right? I think she'll do it. I think Rihanna would, like if we're just talking about like value of production again i've never seen taylor swift concert before i think rihanna will put on a better show well here's why i think you're not really giving it the full thought you should my favorite rihanna song is uh we found love with wait for it, your boy, Calvin Harris. Oh. And I think Calvin Harris could sneak his way.

A little EDM guy could sneak his way into the Super Bowl halftime show. You'll be seated, obviously. You're not going to stand up for that, but you're going to be bouncing to that. I will be. My wife and I like the Rihanna and Maroon 5 song. It came out right when we started dating. Nowihanna and maroon 5 song came out like right we started dating um now obviously maroon 5 is adam did he get canceled or yeah he's been canceled yet i don't know he he by the way still has the worst halftime show of all time

why why would you like the text the dmc sent aren't even good like i just don't get people sometimes like why you're married to a victoria's secret model why are you dming like random chicks on instagram well i i don't know but also guys like there are apps you know like you can make this harder on people you don't have to make it so they can just screen grab it and end your career but whatever um it seems like not worth it not worth it but uh let me read you as a special bonus i saw this quote today i hope i can perform the quote as well as it deserves okay just i don't even have a question i just want you to hear it okay so this is a report about zach grinky this is one of his former teammates. It says, I was on the bench with him

and we were facing someone who really liked cats. I was like, you can't trust anyone who likes cats. He goes, yeah man, you really can't. I go, I like dogs. You got any, Zach? He goes, nah, I would never get dogs.

I've got a cat though. That's a great quote quote from zach so i had a cat and a dog um we moved and we traveled a bunch so we gave them to friends and my thing with cats is like you only like your cat like i don I don't like any of them. I liked my cat, and he was a supreme jackass. And I just, I liked him anyways. We almost got a cat recently, Gabe. We had a problem in the backyard with some rats and mice. Oh, boy. And we wanted a feral cat to show up.

Like, we were going to get a cat, just to have an outdoor cat. But then we realized that you have to basically, like, have it inside for a while to figure out, like, this is its home before you put it outside so it comes back and um we were just gonna go to like humane center and grab a cat just put it outside run wild okay just like it would not have worked i'm glad we didn't do we just got mousetraps instead and what about whatever was eating your chickens yeah so um i two things one is we caught a couple with the mousetrap but then i the other

night i was in the hot tub i don't like owls and they're creepy yeah very and an owl was just hooting away and scared the shit out of me too i'm just like laying in the hot tub relaxing i'm like what the fuck is happening um and uh it scared the crap out of me too oh my god i texted my wife and i was like i'm think the owl's been much on too. So we saw the hawk recently, about two weeks ago. The hawk's still around the neighborhood too. The hawk and the owl were the,

and the raccoons and a fox. Something got in the last time. I don't know what got in there. I don't think it was a raccoon. Who knows, man? Poor chickens, dude. But the worst and best part was my daughter one time, one of them was laying outside the chicken coop.

We let him out of the chicken coop. And it was the blue one. We called her Blueberry. And we walked up to Blueberry and picked up like her head and her neck just kind of like drooped back down. She's like, Daddy, Blue blueberry's neck is droopy i was like yeah that that bird's dead honey sorry i uh i took the kids to the zoo over the weekend and uh somebody told that there was a it's like a wolf or something i'm not sure what it was. Some kind of wild dog thing.

And it was eating what was very obviously a bunny rabbit carcass that they had fed it. And they let people watch it eat. But they forgot that there's four-year-olds walking around the zoo. And my wife told them that it was a marshmallow. This is like all white. So the kids go, Daddy, look look the wolf's eating a marshmallow and i'm like looking at this thing there's like blood coming out of it and i went wow that's yeah i wonder what's inside that marshmallow it looks delicious so uh you know we weren't ready for

the conversation just like you weren't about what's really going on in that well no my kids actually do pretty well with it now because the chickens, like they didn't have a choice basically. When one, like when we're at dinner one night and we're sitting at the family room table and a hawk just swoops down and grabs one of them and just starts munching on it and they kind of have to like learn real quickly. Man, that was, I just didn't know there was, I didn't see a hawk in my neighborhood for six years until we got chickens. Dude, birds of prey are no joke.

We saw an eagle that apparently can it it preys on things up to four times its body weight they said it eats antelope an eagle can you imagine that thing swooping out of the sky and just grabbing an antelope uh i've seen the video yeah wow badass man yeah well all right so the eagles are three and oh there's your segue back to sports uh we've got a good nfc east game on monday for people to to wake up to and then click play on this jeff uh make better picks this week how'd you do you and matt do okay uh three and two all right okay let's get a four in one week please three dude three and two wins that wins you money that wins you money yeah i'll take it i'll take that so pack 12 picks not as good i'm 6 and 10 this year my pack 12 picks that i've given publicly i'm 27 and 15 we pick all the

games on the radio 27 to 15 let's just give out all the picks and do a little bit better there you go um for you guys all right guys please rate review subscribe be back with our gambling uh podcast on thursday we got some by the way before get out of here, our futures wagers look great right now. Like Devin Lloyd, defensive rookie of the year, on fire. We have unders that are probably surely going to hit because guys have already gotten hurt. Guys, don't bet many overs, man. Just don't do it.

It's unfortunate guys get hurt, obviously, but for our wager purposes. The one I'm looking to do is the Giants, if they win tonight, taking their win total under immediately after the game. It'll be like nine and a half. Just pound the under right away. All right, guys. Have a great one. Please rate, review, subscribe.

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