Get Played - DLC Unlocked: How Did This Get Played?: Sonic Unleashed with Jordan Morris

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

We're off for Labor Day and are unlocking a Patreon episode! Originally released February 11, 2026. We return to our old format and bring along Jordan Morris to discuss the 2008 3D Sonic game... Sonic Unleashed. Check out our merch at kinshipgoods.com/getplayed Follow us on social media @getplayedpod Music by Ben Prunty benpruntymusic.com Art by Duck Brigade duckbrigade.com For our exclusive show Get Played DLC, ad-free main feed episodes, our complete back catalogue including How Did This Get Played? episodes go to patreon.com/getplayed Join us on our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/getplayed Wanna leave us a voicemail? Call 616-2-PLAYED (616-275-2933) or write us an email at getplayedpod@gmail.com Advertise on Get Played via Gumball.fm All of our links can be found at linktree.com/getplayedpodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:01 This is a headgum podcast. Oh, have not been adhering to my routine. I'm a methodical type of person. I like going to bed at the exact same minute, waking up at the exact same minute. And let me tell you, do a little travel, throwing a couple of late night records. And all of a sudden, you aren't going to sleep at the same time. You aren't eating at the same time. You're losing your mind.
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Starting point is 00:02:53 unlocked this episode for you guys this week. It's from our Patreon, patreon.com slash get played, where we sometimes do all sorts of crazy, crazy stuff. Really weird, random stuff, cool stuff, slick stuff, neat stuff. This is one where we brought back our old format, how did this get played, with our old pal Jordan Morris to cover a bad Sonic game, and the game we covered was called Sonic Unleashed, where Sonic turns into the Werehog.
Starting point is 00:03:20 And let me tell you something. This thing fucking sucks. Not to spoil, but maybe that'll peak your interest. You'll listen to the episode to hear our misery, and we'll see you next week. And hopefully, y'all have a happy Labor Day. I love you.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Welcome to Get Played DLC, the DLC show for good games, bad games, and every game in between. It's time to get Play DLC. That's right. I'm your host, Heather Ann Campbell, DLC along with my fellow host, Nick Weiger, DLC. That's me, Nick Tiger Weiger, DLC, along with Mr. Games. Matt Upadaka. Hello, everyone. D-D-D-C.
Starting point is 00:04:20 D-L-C. D-L-C. I did not have any sexual maybe bad time for this You're Bill Clinton impression I think it's a great time He's in the news again I did not have any DLC with that podcast It's the return of the return of how did this get played
Starting point is 00:04:47 We're once again discussing the worst and weirdest gaming has to offer. And this week, we are joined by the writer of Predator Bloodshed, Jordan Morris. Hi, Jordan. Hi, everybody. Does this D.L.C. make you horny, baby. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:04 I'm my DLC. As Borat. Doing like drops. Yeah, that's nice. That's nice. Jordan, the first guest on how did this get played? Wow, you're right.
Starting point is 00:05:17 Episode one. Yeah. And we covered Sonic. The Hedgehog. That's right. Sonic the Hedgehog, aka Sonic 06. The end is the beginning. This is not the end of your show's canceled. I'm here to tell you.
Starting point is 00:05:29 That's right. What the hell? So my knowledge, Jordan, we have only had you on how did this get played episodes exclusively to cover Sonic games. You know, I'll deviate from that slightly. I think I remember so a Sonic related game, I remember because I saw
Starting point is 00:05:45 I bought this game to talk about it on the show. Yes. Oh God, where you're the top hat guy. Balin Wonderworld. Ballin Wonderworld. The game that's like Yuji Naka to prison. Yes. Rightfully, I'll say.
Starting point is 00:06:00 And I think do we do a Battle Toads one? Did we talk about Battledoads? We definitely didn't have an exclusively done Sonic, but you have in our Sonic correspondent. I have played a lot of very, very bad Sonic. Yeah. Yeah. I remember distinctly your impression of you can't escape from the last fucking terrible
Starting point is 00:06:19 Sonic game, whatever one that was, Shadows. Shadow the Hedgehog? Yeah, Shadow the Hedgehog. Was it just straight Shadow. We did do Shadow the Hedgehog. That means sucked. Where he shoots cops with guns. In hindsight, great politics on Shadow the Hedgehog.
Starting point is 00:06:33 Here's what I'm saying. Shadow the Hedgehog, a very stupid character. Yeah. But he is a presence in Sonic the Hedgehog 3, the movie, voiced by Keanu Reeves. And they find a way. An incredible performance. A credible performance. They find a way to make him cool.
Starting point is 00:06:49 and then he still gets to use his gun, which is I'm so glad they honored the gun. How does that come into the movie? He picks up a gun. She's a cop. Also, this is in the preview or in the trailer for it. He does the Akira slide up a skyscraper. You have to watch it immediately.
Starting point is 00:07:08 It's so good. Wasn't you, Matt, who said it's the closest we'll get to a Dragon Ball movie? No, but I like this take. Maybe I did say it, but it sounds too good of a take for me to say. I mean, it is essentially, you know, two guys beating the shit out of each other while flying. Yeah. And it's very, and, you know, it has the sort of like, especially when Sonic gets to be supersonic,
Starting point is 00:07:31 the same kind of visual aesthetic as well. And also, like, visually more interesting than a few of the last few, like, MCU movies. Right. It was a more satisfying superhero movie than, like, yeah, like the last five Marvel movie. What was the post-credits tease for Sonic 3? Amy Rose. Metal Sonic. Oh, and it's Amy Rose and Metal Sonic.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Yeah, because remember, because they showed Amy Rose, and they showed Metal Sonic and Christian Fan Art Sonic, right? Christian Fan Art Sonic. And pregnant Sonic. Yeah, they're all there. That's actually the same Sonic. Very weirdly. I mentioned before, but the Sonic fan art I really like was one where it's
Starting point is 00:08:11 Sonic wearing short shorts and it's a horny tails and it says, tails found out there's something even hotter than chili dogs. Anyway Chili dogs is hot That's the whole That's the issue The premise does not track But whatever
Starting point is 00:08:27 I have to I admire the effort Recount this I've seen Oh I didn't see the first one in theaters But I've seen every single I've seen two and three In theaters alone opening day
Starting point is 00:08:36 I always have to chime in and say I did see Sonic 1 in theaters It was the final film I saw before lockdown Yeah Yeah The film that caused the pandemic Yes Oh that's right
Starting point is 00:08:47 Because I you know When you would go on your little walks. And not just here to remember fucking COVID to bump everybody out. But when you would go on your little walks, like I would walk by a movie theater and there were just like years after posters for Sonic and Bloodshot. The Vin Diesel movie
Starting point is 00:09:01 Bloodshot. That was like the movie that was in theaters that weekend. Insane. Like when you would like play the last of us or like watching I Am Legend and there's like movies from like before the collapse. Right. Yeah. It's insane. But I'm always there alone with dads and their children.
Starting point is 00:09:19 right? And I remember the end of the second one, they tease Shadow, and the kids in front of me all out loud go, oh no. I'm also saying, oh, no. The thing with Metal Sonic, when they tease that, what is going to say is one of the kids in the theater got so excited. He said,
Starting point is 00:09:41 Metal Sonic, and he got up and he started running with his arms outstretched. It was so great. Yeah, and you were escorted out of the theater. Which is also weird because It's like, where are kids being exposed to Sonic Canon? Because the game we played today is 20 years old, right? Or maybe just slightly under 20 years old. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:02 And it's like, so that's not a kid's game. Kids aren't looking up Sonic the Warhawk. What the fuck is this one called Sonic Unleash? I'd also argue that this game is not for anybody in particular. It should be called Sonic the Warhog, though, over Sonic Unleashed. 100%. I would argue, though, that where hog doesn't make a ton of sense
Starting point is 00:10:22 in that, like, like, a were wolf is a wolf man. Yes. Right. He's not a, it's not a wear man.
Starting point is 00:10:31 Sonic is a hedgehog. It should be, you know, you're right, it should be a hedge wolf. It should be hedge wolf. Where man is a good pitch, though.
Starting point is 00:10:37 Wayman is good. It's Sonic just turned into a normal guy. Oh, God. The body horror. I don't want to jump too far ahead. The human designs in this game are fucking horrific.
Starting point is 00:10:48 They all look like they were, they're just re-scanned versions of the general. Yes. Jack's friend of the general. The general or Jimmy Neutron assets. Yeah, sure. They look bad. But then it's like, it doesn't make sense really because Eggman looks that way. But you know, he's not normal either.
Starting point is 00:11:08 So they're kind of like they have to split the difference somehow. And it's just, it's all bad. We could just jump in. We don't have to bullshit. No. This is DLC. We can get right to topic. The DLC.
Starting point is 00:11:17 And. DL. And I want to say... Ask not what DLC will do for you. I looked up some of the history on the development of this game. Ask what you what do for your base game. It first gets... I'll let it go.
Starting point is 00:11:32 You can have your moment. He was cooking. Was he? Because the oven wasn't on. Guess what? I'm asking for another plate. Someone ordered a DLC? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:48 So this game is, the beginning of the development on this game is 2005 when they are considering this as Sonic Adventure 3. And the reason they are considering this as Sonic Adventure 3 or trying to position it as such is they want to strip down Sonic to his roots. They want to eliminate all of these extra characters. They want to get back to basics. They want of a story. They're Sonic trying to overcome something. and maybe a couple of guys show up. And in this case, it's Tails and Amy Rose.
Starting point is 00:12:21 Right. And when you look at this game, which I think of as, why the fuck is this added to Sonic? And you imagine the developers instead being like, how can we clean, how do we pair this down so we can create, from their interviews, somebody's first Sonic game. Right.
Starting point is 00:12:40 It's like, all you need to do is make Sonic go fast and have him be controllable. and that's anybody's entry point into a Sonic game. So the idea that they were like, why don't we make him into a werewolf and that can be people's first Sonic game? And he won't go that fast.
Starting point is 00:12:57 No, yes. And he will do a lot of combo. Yeah, he'll just behave like a totally different character. It's so strange. It is really weird. It's a baffling decision, especially because it's these, you've got the day levels where you're Sonic
Starting point is 00:13:09 and you've got the night levels where you're the werehog, basically. And the werehog has just this plotting sort of liked what you were saying, this brawler sort of gameplay, which is just fundamentally uninteresting. Yeah. It's like, and, and yeah, I didn't know that context either. I didn't know this was supposed to be like, like, you know, like, baby's first Sonic game. They were like, let's go back to the series. Because they were making, oh, they had been making 06, right? Like, and then they're like, this will be the follow up to 06. Yeah, it's, it's so,
Starting point is 00:13:41 so strange to me. I put this take in the group chat. Jordan hasn't heard yet. I feel like, I feel like I have to share it. I don't know if it's in San Diego. I feel like I should be in the group chat. I was in the first episode. Here's the thing. You're welcome in the group chat. It's called Varan.
Starting point is 00:13:54 It's called Varan. We've all lost our mind. The avatar is an avatar. The group chat picture is a picture of Varang now. Yeah. And my wife looked over my shoulder and thought I was texting some woman. He's Varan. Who is that your texting?
Starting point is 00:14:13 If anyone would be like, Uh, okay. I was like, so you know how we, I can't stop talking about this character? Look, if any of us were having a A.Sque relationship with an AI for wrong. Hang on, I think we'll say that out loud now. I think we might have to bleep it. No, we definitely have to bleep that, but I wanted to say it for the room.
Starting point is 00:14:33 Grant, you got to bleep the celebrity's name. Allegedly. Parity, fair use. Yeah, yeah. If any of us were having. A deltzie. Slalanderous statements. liable.
Starting point is 00:14:48 Doesn't matter how true it is. Yeah. I've had to confirm by several different people. Yeah, it is true. But anyway. It's too true to be. It's so funny. And I just feel so bad for the people listening.
Starting point is 00:15:02 We have to drop this. Yeah. Who are we talking about? Venmo me $100. Yeah. It's just so, it's just the perfect about of insane. It's great. That it's so, it's so funny.
Starting point is 00:15:15 It's great. but like I could see myself talking to a Varang AI and getting a little too sucked into it because I just like Varang so much right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then forget, like, like, I have to remind myself, I'm not talking to Varang, even though I'd like to be. My, like, algorithm has realized that I, I want to see Varang cosplay.
Starting point is 00:15:34 Yeah. Oh, boy. Verong cosplay, I get a lot of it on my feed too, because, you know, you Google Varang statues to share with the group chat. And by the way, there is one that is three feet tall. Can't wait. Have you pre-ordered? No, I haven't.
Starting point is 00:15:51 Because there's only 400 of them being made. Oh, I got to pre-order it. You got to pre-order it. How much is it? I think it's $1,200. One for the car. I can't wait to show this to my wife. Remember I bought that $70 NBA NFT?
Starting point is 00:16:11 This one costs even more. This is worse. But at least it won't go away. It's true. And it didn't drain a lake or something. That could be an investment that might appreciate in value. Yeah, that would be cool. It might, yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:24 When it gets in Nix's hands, it's depreciated away. Yeah, you can't get stuff all over it. I'll appreciate it all right. There's a Varang statue on eBay that's just got in the description greasy. Some no-boys fan will play more for asking. I didn't ask me, but. Sitely used, comma, pregnant? What is?
Starting point is 00:16:52 So I dropped this take in the group chat. Yeah. Tiled Varan. We were talking about Sonic. Who's also blue, to be fair. He's also blue. And pregnant? Ranch must think we're crazy.
Starting point is 00:17:07 And here's the thing. And here's the thing. I do think that the not. Navi might be fast also. Oh, they're definitely fast, right? They're long legs. They got long legs. There's no way you could outrun a Navi in a foot race.
Starting point is 00:17:19 No. I have been spending a little bit of time in the Predator subreddit, you know, in anticipation of the comic coming out. The Predator fans want the Predator to fight the Navi so bad. That would be awesome. Every other post is, who would win? Who would win? Anyway.
Starting point is 00:17:35 I mean, here's the thing. Lights out for the Predator. There's just no way. Yeah, I just think the Navi are so physically dominated. The thing is the Predator have all this technology, but the Navi consistently have a record of overcoming technological inferiority. I think they also, if they have a home court advantage, you also have AWA as like a factor in the fight. That's a great point. Are they fighting on Pandora? And look, Predator also Sky People.
Starting point is 00:18:03 It's true. They would be sky people, yeah. Yeah. Anyway. We also don't know if the Navi have give off heat signatures. That's true. They could, like, they're aliens. They might not have tea signatures. Oh, yeah, they can maybe be operating off the same wavelength as the forest.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Sure. Bill a little heat from wrong. Tell you that much. Yep. I said I basically, I pretty much. I've never seen a man so horny to die. I guess that is what it is, huh? I have one VPN installed on my phone, and that's NordVPN.
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Starting point is 00:26:37 Get played 50 off at factor meals.com. See website for more details. I think I like everything about Sonic. I like the way he looks. I like his characterization. I think he's cool. I like his friends. I like everything about Sonic except playing his games.
Starting point is 00:27:02 I don't think his games are for me. Most of his games are pretty bad. And it's a bummer because the games that are good that really capture what's awesome about Sonic. Sonic 2, of course. One of the all-time great games. Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Sonic Mania.
Starting point is 00:27:18 I would argue the first Sonic Adventure. I think does a pretty good job of honoring Sonic. And of course, Sonic Frontier's great game. But the games that really capture what's cool about Sonic are like, to your point earlier, Heather, when you're seeing how this game came to fruition, are games that distill some. Sonic to his essence, where we're not spending all this time with an SBO the Camillion level or, you know, like, we got this quest from Vector the Crocodile. We're fishing with big Vickick.
Starting point is 00:27:50 What are we doing here? We don't need Charmy B in here. Sonic alone and then a handful of his shitty friends is all you need. I think if they put Charmy B in the movie, she should be voiced by Cardi B. That's pretty good. It's a great pitch. It's pretty good. I'm just saying.
Starting point is 00:28:07 Oh, Kro. I want to say for Sonic Games, I think a cardinal rule of Sonic Games should be like a James Bond movie, you're dropped into an action sequence. Sonic games, the time from press start to running, should be only as long as it takes to load the level. And I think that one of the cardinal sins of this game in particular is the first thing you do is you sit through a movie that's so fucking long. where you're like watching Sonic battle Robotnik on some fucking story you're not a part of in space. Right. And then... I don't think you even do anything
Starting point is 00:28:49 like that in the game. Yeah, no, you don't. I mean, you battle Robotnik at the very end of the game, but like you're fighting fucking Robotnik, Dr. Eggman, and then he gets a weapon that blows up the earth while electrocuting Sonic and the effect of that electrocution. You expect the... You expect when you see Sonic Unleashed on the cover and he's half werewolf, you're like, oh, fuck, did he get bitten by something? Like, how is it going to explain how he became a werewolf? Like, is it going to be a horror story?
Starting point is 00:29:20 Instead, he's just electrocuted until he becomes a werewolf and then dropped off on the broken planet. And that, my friends, fucking sucks out. More of a, that's more of an origin. Like, if I want to say that that's a monster origin, maybe that could be a Frankenstein origin. Yeah, but electrocution does not lead to werewolf. No, but I will say that. opening cutscene, I thought it was fucking awesome. I was like, this rocks, this is everything I like about, son animated.
Starting point is 00:29:45 And you know, I think that is part of why kids like Sonic despite his bad games, just because they know how to make the stuff around Sonic so cool. Yeah, again, the designs of all the stuff looks so awesome. The fucking robots in this game look so great. Like all of these bosses, which I will say right here that I could not find a way to play the game, so just kind of watch the play through. That's fine. And I could tell by the playthrough, I'm like, this is impossible to control.
Starting point is 00:30:10 It does not feel good. I played it on my Xbox. It's still available to download on the Xbox store for some reason. I found a mod that would let you play the Xbox 360 version on the PC. And let me tell you, Jordan, not worth it. You got what you needed from the playthroughs. I tried doing it on the Steam deck. It was just a little bit too much tinkering for even the old tinkerer himself.
Starting point is 00:30:33 Yes. I watched a couple. And so I guess this is a recent development, right? this kind of old-ass game now being playable on the PC. And I learned that information because before I watched the playthrough, I watched a few like Sonic YouTubers review the game. And this one guy was just like, so, you know, Sonic Unleash is now playable on the PC, which you know, unless you've been living under a rock.
Starting point is 00:30:57 I'm like, this isn't the ex-Ebsteen files. This is a shady port of a bad game that you can now hack. Unless you've been living under a rock. Unless you're a fucking moron. I did see. I did see that SBO is in the Epstein files. Oh, man. Bad news.
Starting point is 00:31:18 I played this on my PS3. I bought a copy of Amazon at what. I forgot that you did that. God bless you were playing an original hardware. I think that's great. I think the thing is great. Always if I can, if I can, the best of my ability, I will always play a game on its original hardware.
Starting point is 00:31:34 And this game was released for the original hardware. the 360, the PS3 and the Wii. The 360 and PS3 dev team was separate from the Wii dev team. So they are separate sort of incarnations of the same game. A couple of things about the PS3. One, shocked, shocked the 20 years later, the PS3 storefront, the PlayStation Network PS3 storefront still works. Really?
Starting point is 00:32:00 You can still buy fucking games on a PS3. And until March 2nd next month, you can still watch Netflix on a PS3, which, again, shocking. I bet you there's more people who watch Netflix on a PS3 than you would realize. I bet so too. I bet so too. Especially worldwide. I was so stunned at how unplayable the game is on its original hardware that I dug out a second controller because I was like, it must be that my controller is broken.
Starting point is 00:32:36 That's why it's bad. Well, no, seriously. Seriously, because it hadn't been charged in probably five or six years. And I was like, there's something happening here with my controller because the delayed input on pressing jump and the physical pause in experienced time before Sonic would jump
Starting point is 00:32:56 was long enough that I could almost count to one. So I'd be like, whoop, whoop. Like, it would be like tap. Woo! Yeah. And you do that sound really good. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:33:08 Something's wrong with my brain. But, like, playing it on the original hardware, it was so bad that it felt like I was emulating the game that I was playing. You know, it feels like, because I obviously was emulating a degree, but it feels like... if you're like on jeopardy and you just can't buzz in and then you're convinced your buzzer's broken, it's like that level of unresponsive.
Starting point is 00:33:39 It is also, I mean, it sucks to play. And then also everything about it is also kind of bad. Like I thought the new characters were not very interesting or good. You mean Chip? I hate Chip. Chip fucking sucks. So Chip. I want Chip.
Starting point is 00:33:53 I want Chip on like a slab in like my basement. Chip is a little fairy guy with a gem. in his chest. Yes. And he kind of talks like this. And he makes a wing flapping noise that sounds like jacking off. Whenever he flaps his wings,
Starting point is 00:34:13 it sounds like jacking off. And the thing about Chip that drove me fucking insane watching this play through is part of his story is that he has amnesia. Yes. And I think at the end you learn that he's a god or something.
Starting point is 00:34:28 Yeah, he is the, he is dark Gaia. Yes. And, oh no, he's like guy. He's like Gaia. I hate to correct you on this, Heather. He is light guy. He is like Guy. They're coming for you in the comments.
Starting point is 00:34:38 And Dark Gaia is the thing that destroys the planet. And they are locked in an internal battle, kind of like the kaiju and the Titans. Sure. Yes. So Chip has amnesia, but also he's the one who is like teaching you how to play the game. Yes. So in the cut scenes, Chip's like, who am I? What's my name?
Starting point is 00:34:59 And then when you're playing the game, he's like, collect crystals to build. your Gaia Gage. And then you'll have a rush power. I'm like, how do you not know your name, but you know about my Gaia gauge? Dick one. Fucking idiot, annoying, fucking jackoff monster. It's been great if you didn't know though. He was like, what is that?
Starting point is 00:35:17 What is I'm talking about? Why do I know what a rush boost is? Why are you so fucking fast? Chip has like... What's an X button? Chip, I wonder if anyone else will agree this characterization. Chip looks like this. the mascot you'd see on like a Brazilian
Starting point is 00:35:34 cookies brand. Right. Oh yeah, Chip the Bolinos guy. Oh yeah, that's the that's Oreos in Spain. Yeah, they love that guy. Also, like, I don't know what this is. He likes chocolate. He gets ice cream at one point. It goes crazy
Starting point is 00:35:51 for it, which like, yeah, no shit, right? Of course. And obviously, Sonic likes chili dogs. For some reason, Chip liking chocolate is annoying to me and I don't know why. It's just like so basic. Yeah. It's very first thought. Yeah, it's like, oh, you had ice cream and you like it.
Starting point is 00:36:07 Oh, yeah. That doesn't make you special. Oh, crazy, buddy. You also like getting your dicks up? What's happening? What's it? It's in your mouth. Keep sucking to produce gum.
Starting point is 00:36:20 Wait, no, what? Prasse the balls to increase hardness. What? Pick one. kind of like the same thing I've been thinking about this recently. There's like a type of person that's like my favorite music is the Beatles.
Starting point is 00:36:39 It's like, oh, yeah. Yeah, cool. You like the best one. Unless your oasis, shut up. You can be that guy if you're not, if you're like, yeah, I know, it's obvious. Like you're like, whatever.
Starting point is 00:36:51 The Beatles are great. Yeah, sure. I like, because I like heavy metal, my favorite metal band is Metallica. And I always feel like I have to apologize to like, I know, like, I should say like, iced earth or something. But I just like Metallica.
Starting point is 00:37:02 a lot. Anyway, this is a little about a context from the Sonic Wiki. Chip was originally named whip in reference to whipped cream. However, because the word has different connotations in English, including the act of punishment with a whip like whipping, Sega of America was not pleased with the name, so they had it changed
Starting point is 00:37:18 to Chip. They overthought it. Yeah, no kidding. I think whip is better. Whip is better than Chip. And I like that he would have like whipped cream. That to me, that is not as annoying to me as chocolate. He's also like, if you look at the design, he's kind of got a tuft of whipped cream on top of his head. It makes sense.
Starting point is 00:37:34 Whereas Chip is like, who is this guy? You can almost hear Sonic being like, you look like whipped cream. I'm going to call you whip. Sure. Yes, absolutely. Fuck you. It's fuck away from me. And in the final cut scene, Chip like, you know, fades away.
Starting point is 00:37:50 He dies. And dies, but says, I'm going, but I'll always be with you. Chip is a Christ figure. Yeah. He is a Christ analog in this world. The annoying jack-off elf. it's it's very unpleasant because we were talking about the locomotion I mean this is my main thing with Sonic
Starting point is 00:38:10 okay first of all obviously he's very fast Sonic got to go fast he's too fast for me and this is something that comes up a lot in the show when we play a Sonic game I think he's too fast and I don't really like that but also the camera doesn't move the way I want it to like the camera is also too fast so I think there needs to like something needs to change about that
Starting point is 00:38:31 Well, I think Frontiers got speed and camera correct. I will give it that. As a game that I did not like very much at all, I do think that the balance was better. Like when you're running on the open fields and frontiers, you're like, I have an enormous sense of speed. Yes. But I also know exactly how I'm going to navigate what's coming up. And that was great. Whereas in this, you're locked into these sort of like tunnels, these rails that are extremely narrow.
Starting point is 00:38:58 And it's so narrow that two of the buttons on the control. are dedicated to shift left and shift right so that you can like keep going super fast, but also change just the placement of the character on the screen. Which I like in theory. Like I see how that could work. Yeah. In practice, it is not enjoyable. And I think the only way to enjoy, say, like, you know, big quotes, enjoy a level of Sonic
Starting point is 00:39:26 Unleashed is to memorize it so that it becomes like a rock band. play through of a song where you're effectively pressing the buttons in a correct order so that you can get through it at top speed without pause. Yeah, I mean, like, if I was like 10 to 15 years younger than I am now and this game hits me when I'm a teenager, or honestly, I'd be younger than that. And it would have to be that, like, this is the kind of thing is like, if you get this game when it's your one game, because I certainly had games like that when I was a kid, where you're just going to play this endlessly, you could find a way to have fun with it.
Starting point is 00:39:58 Because I'm not even a sonic guy, like a purist, for example. But I just think the 2D efforts are just better. I don't think he works in 3D. He has more misses than hits in 3D. I agree with you. I do think he can work in 3D. I think there have been demos that are fan-made where he works in 3D. I think it's just for whatever reason Sega's execution of the character.
Starting point is 00:40:28 in 3D that keeps coming up short except in frontiers. Yeah. I also think I never want Sonic to fucking talk to anybody in a town ever again. No. Oh, the NPC shit is so unnecessary. It's so bad. Like, first off, I, you know, I always am like, I need to move faster in any space in a video game.
Starting point is 00:40:53 Sonic moves too fucking fast in the space of these hub, hub worlds where you have to like talk to people and also talk and jump are the same button. So the first thing that happens is you blow past somebody and you have to like awkwardly walk him back by barely touching the analog stick. Then you go to talk to them and he jumps once and you have to nudge him slightly closer and then press X again. Yeah. It is awful. And for the first town, there's no reason to talk to anybody. No. And they all get sad because of the world splitting in half or whatever the fuck. They get like
Starting point is 00:41:28 some darkness power from the, from dark guy that makes them sad. And I'm just like, get the fuck over that. The only time you have to talk to people is when it's like, hey, I don't know where to go.
Starting point is 00:41:39 Why don't you ask people in town? And then you have to fucking find the person who's like, they just say, keep sucking to make come. The last guy said this. Non-sequitur. So, you know, daytime you're running around a city.
Starting point is 00:42:01 Yes. Then you do these like sonic levels. And the nighttime it turns into like a god of war game where you're the, how do those feel? Do those even play fun? They suck. They're really bad. It's like I think the sonic gameplay itself is better because at least that's like, whatever. Yeah, unresponsive, clunky, not the best execution of Sonic in 3D, but not the worst either.
Starting point is 00:42:28 And at least they have like an existing template for that design, whereas this is just like feels like they're just trying. Yeah, like they're trying to recreate like a god of war or whatever, but it's like, I don't know, it feels like a prototype. And he's too slow. Like he's like, Kratos is so frustrating. Kratos is Sonic fast basically in comparison to how. slow where Sonic is. Shouldn't the wearhog be like even like isn't there a world where he could be
Starting point is 00:42:57 like even faster where he's like kind of or he's like bruise, he's like wario when he's charging he's like a, you know, like a freight train. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He should be like a wolf. He can run on all fours if he goes unleashed. Yeah, when he goes unleashed. Yeah. Because like in in what world would you design a Sonic game
Starting point is 00:43:13 where to go fast you have to hold down a fucking shoulder button in order to make him run at a plotting pace. Yes. But most of the time he's effectively walking. Yeah, because even that speed is slower than Sonic's base speed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It sucks.
Starting point is 00:43:29 Yeah. Like, you walk in the town faster than a werehog can run at top speed. Yeah. That's crazy. Also, why the fuck are there so many balancing moments in the werehog levels? I hated that. And I hated to get up on things. He has long arms.
Starting point is 00:43:49 And so his long arms sort of like reach up to grab onto the platform. Right, your arms can stretch like a wolf. You're right. I shouldn't be criticizing this part. Yeah. But then it just sort of like pulls him up like in like like, yeah, that stuff's so weird. But also in order like if you if you climb up a pole and then like shimmy around the
Starting point is 00:44:10 pole Mario style to like set up your next jump. Yeah. You have to release all direction buttons on the controller and just press jump. and then immediately use the direction buttons once you're in the air in order to control the fall. And I would fall to my death so many fucking times just doing the basic platforming elements. Awful. Awful. I was dying in combat.
Starting point is 00:44:36 And I was like, this isn't even hard. It's just bad. Like, I can't do it. No, it's that kind of a, you know, NES level of difficulty for me, which is just like, as a kid, I'm playing these games. and playing back to the future on NES and being like, this game's really hard. And then later on I returned to it and played on an emulator's doll. It's like, oh, this is just a bad design.
Starting point is 00:44:57 This is just clumsy. This is just hard to control. And the visual information doesn't match the interactivity. It's, it's, yeah, a frustrating experience. I mean, like, the balancing thing is interesting because this definitely was, there definitely was an era of 3D platformers where for whatever reason they were like, oh, this should be a, this should be an element. This should be a challenge.
Starting point is 00:45:17 I mean, like even Super Mario 64 has that. God of Ward, the original action I'm realizing, has like balancing sections. And I think over time people kind of realized, or design is just kind of realize, like, that's kind of annoying. But also, this game comes out in what, 2008? Like, I feel like it's like late enough where they should have already been like, yeah, this is kind of a. Yeah, God of War III is almost out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, like actually games have explored this and it's never actually all that fun. It's kind of tedious. It seems like that's kind of the element with a lot of these recent Sonic games. And I'd say recent, this is, you know, whatever, 20-year-old game, but this is, but this is,
Starting point is 00:45:49 era of Sonic is that like, you can see them trying to steal from other things. Like, Frontiers is Breath of the Wild, right? And like, yeah, I don't know, of them just kind of clumsy, like, finding a gaming trend and going like, okay, we'll put it in the Sonic game and it doesn't, it's not always thought out. The Sonic Cross Shadows game is good. I do like that. And it's like a 3D, 2D Sonic where it's the 3D models, but like they're, you know, sort of more linear.
Starting point is 00:46:18 Is that the one that came out the same day as Wonder? No, that one is... You always bring this one up, but I always remember... That one's called, like, Sonic... That one is pretty good, too. I can't remember what it's called. I can't remember what it's called. It's called...
Starting point is 00:46:29 I got that far so far. Sonic the Super Mario Wonderhawk. Again, there it is. Again, goes back to the title of this, which, you know, like, maybe it shouldn't be Sonic the Werehog, fine, but then at least be more memorable than Sonic Unleashed, which just feels like just another in a line
Starting point is 00:46:43 of very generic Sonic titles that are just indistinguishable for each other. And when is Sonic ever leashed? Like that's a great point He just does whatever he wants He runs around He's a bit of a scamp He's a scamp
Starting point is 00:46:53 You can't leash this guy You don't have to unleash him Because he wasn't leased in the first place I played as much of it as I could stomach Until I was like I just have to watch The hour of cutscenes That are available for this
Starting point is 00:47:06 And I will say Watching it while A better experience than playing it But ultimately Not fun still Yeah Because at a certain point you're just kind of like, well, this is all nonsense.
Starting point is 00:47:19 The opening, the opening sequence, I thought, was, like I said, really cool, actually. Right. And the well-animated, I liked it. But then a lot of it is kind of just, like, not very good or interesting. Like, collecting the gems to restore the cracked Earth and things like that. And then at some point, Sonic has to, like, traverse the entire planet. It's also kind of crazy, go with me on this for a second. Kind of crazy that Sonic is on Earth.
Starting point is 00:47:46 Right. And I know that he's like on earth in the movie. I guess that's true. It could be a different earth. Yeah, the levels, I guess, are all supposed to be inspired by, you know, countries. Like in the first level, it's supposed to be a kind of a grease, right? Yeah. And, you know, to kind of give the idea of like, oh, Sonic's going around the world.
Starting point is 00:48:06 Some of the human characters are a little caricatury of their lands. They get a little dicey. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah, there was definitely a part where, uh, It goes to an area and I said, oh no. Yeah. They went the mad TV route on some of these.
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Starting point is 00:56:21 Hell, sounds easy. Anybody could do it. One of the levels early on is all of these have these, what do you call them, active time battle, active touch button. What do you the fuck do you call? Quick time events. Quick time event. There you go. Quick time events. There are quick time events sort of sprinkled through the boss battles. And then Tails shows up and he's like, let's get on my plane and we'll fly somewhere. And the entire, the entirety of that level is a quick time event. Yeah. The entire level. Yeah. And it is, you, you don't have the, you don't have the ability to do anything except press, the buttons as they appear to you as if you are playing rock band
Starting point is 00:57:14 which all I want is to fly the plane and shoot these fucking things. Yes, I have to say, I have to make a correction. I didn't think the gameplay was cool. I do think it's cool that Tails has a plane. I love the tails has a plane. That's like cool. It's awesome. Always. Always great. It rocks. If you can fly,
Starting point is 00:57:30 build a plane. Yeah. It's well it's like Sonic in these racing games too. He doesn't need a car actually. He's actually he could outrun the car. But You play this level and if you fail while fighting Robotnik in the final fight, which I did once, because you only can get hit a certain number of times and the delay. Did you beat this game?
Starting point is 00:57:58 What? Did you beat this game? No, I did not beat it. I got close and then I was like, this is not important to me. What am I fucking doing with my life? if you if you get to um robotnik's ship on the plane level with tails uh you get to i think you get to hit get hit four times
Starting point is 00:58:17 and if you make an error in the sequence of buttons traveling towards you x circle square etc it's not just that you miss that shot there's also a delay on the following shot so you'll technically probably get hit twice yeah if you lose two robotnik's fucking robot ship at the end of that level it does not start you from the boss again. It starts you all the way back at the beginning of the fucking flight.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Sucks. No. And it sucked. No, no, no, no, no. It sucked. That's, to me, against the law. It sucked. I was, like, I pressed pause and I was like,
Starting point is 00:58:53 no, man, I don't want to feel like this. Yoshihisa Hashimoto, who was the director of Sonic Unleashed. I looked up his credits. He was the, he was a program. on the Sonic series, starting with Sonic Adventure. So he's there on the technical side and the programming side, starts directing with Sonic Adventure DX, Sega Superstars, and Sonic Unleashed.
Starting point is 00:59:16 Those are the three games he directs. And then he leaves Sonic team and goes to Square NX, where he becomes the technical director of Final Fantasy 14 online, a Realm Reborn. Wow. The man behind the Reconception, the reimagination, of that, at least from a technical standpoint. Wow.
Starting point is 00:59:38 Pretty cool. That is pretty cool. Do you think that speaks to him being like, I can't fucking do this anymore? I mean, this feels like the kind of game that would break somebody, you know what I mean? Yeah. Even if you believe in what you're doing,
Starting point is 00:59:52 I can't imagine he was satisfied with the end product. And even if he was satisfied with the end product, he cannot have been satisfied with the reception. So I don't know if he got pushed out of the company. I don't know if he left of his own accord. He certainly landed on his feet and ended up in a really cool role
Starting point is 01:00:05 with a really cool company on an amazing game. But like, yeah, it's a, it's a, it's kind of sometimes when you like, like a director, like the guy who directed the love guru, he was just like, I'm done making movies. He just never made a movie again, you know what I mean? It's like sometimes, like there's a project that just breaks somebody. Yeah. Because it's such a debacle, whether it's their fault or not. It's just the main problem with these games.
Starting point is 01:00:30 It's just that they are on a schedule and they just need to come out and you can't, you don't have the time to make them. good is it's like we need one every two years when there's a movie it's got to come out when the movie's that you know is it is it that i think particularly in this era that could be the case because now games not out till it's out like it's just like you're the games are just delayed sure out of existence sometimes even this game probably just looks like well here here we go this is different this is the take on sonic we have it's just it just is what it is people are gonna buy it because it's sonic yeah i don't know anything about the sky schedule this game. I will say that the
Starting point is 01:01:08 person who wasn't pushed down into the mud by this project has to be the musician and composer because the fucking title screen song rips. The end credit song is good to Oh, I was, I almost text. I'm like, we have to play the end credit song. Yeah, I mean, Sonico's 6, I remember the music being great. Yeah, the music and the title screen
Starting point is 01:01:31 feels like somebody heard Super Mario Galaxy and was like, we got to do a Sonic version of that. And it fucking rules. And when the title screen comes up and that song starts playing, I felt, oh, it's Saturday morning. I'm about to have the time of my life. I'm about to play some fucking Sonic. Let's go.
Starting point is 01:01:51 I'm in good hands. I felt so safe. So the delay between that and like the 25 minutes it takes to actually move Sonic around bummed me out so much. Like, yeah, I agree. the music's eye point, which is not to damn with praise. It's cool.
Starting point is 01:02:12 Yeah, I don't know. I like what you're saying, Heather, of just like the nature of Sonic games, because when you think about Sonic the Hedgehog, the introduction of Sonic the Hedgehog franchise, you start Green Hill Zone and you're just Sonic running. Like that's like the first thing you can do. There's no delay at all.
Starting point is 01:02:25 Yeah, that's what, I mean, the promise is go, go, go, go, go. Like, you shouldn't have to wait. And even if you want to have some sort of cinematic or whatever, there's no reason you can't start it with a cold open where you're just sprinting for a while. Or just have that shit, like, have him running and have the story being like effectively an FMV behind the level. Like have this like big battle happening sort of Final Fantasy 8 style where like there's all this crazy shit happening in the background that's telling you the story and Sonic's trying to get there in time. And like maybe you're basically running around the story so that you get some sense of personal control and speed.
Starting point is 01:03:05 immediately. It's just, it's a real bummer. I also want to say, before I forget, the sound effect that happens when you press the quick time event
Starting point is 01:03:14 button at the right time, sounds like the price is right. And it's so weird. To press a button, achieve a goal of like punching a boss in the face. Yeah. But the sound you hear is,
Starting point is 01:03:26 like it's very, it's very distracting. And if you fail, it's, bap, and at the end, tail says, to spay and neuter your animal.
Starting point is 01:03:37 And points to himself? Starting with me. He's like being my gigantic balls. He's like, what? I also, I don't like, I don't like where Sonic's tone. He's got a little bit of an attitude. He's a little, I don't like it.
Starting point is 01:03:57 Well, he's unleashed. You don't like his attitude? No. Sonic? Wear Sonic. When he's the where. That's too much too for you. He's just a little grumpier.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Yeah, he is. You know, I get it. He's changed. It's like the dark prince of Persia and warrior within. It's just like they made him edge lord for some reason. He likes new metal. That's good. I'm not condemning that game, but I'm saying that there was that they did sort of shift the tone of that one.
Starting point is 01:04:25 Oh, it's two storybooky. Maybe I'm thinking of Dark Jack. Do we all remember a dark jack? I wonder if this is a reaction to that in some way. That makes a lot of sense, actually, because. Because even Chip is Daxter-like in Subway. He's a little, tiny little companion. He's extremely, he's so Daxter.
Starting point is 01:04:46 But Daxter rocks, and I would like to curb stop Chip. Red Chipper mess with a Jack and Daxter back in the day? No. What mascot platformers are you familiar with? Obviously, you've absorbed some Sonic and some Mario. by virtue of producing this podcast. An Astrobot. Astrobot.
Starting point is 01:05:09 Yeah. Probably Crash. Crash. Right, right, of course. An icon. And Marikita and Ashley. Of course, right. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Cuis 16 license drive. Do we have a, like, how come Crash has, obviously, crash has not been like a great franchise start to finish, but how come Crash has never had, like, the lows of, like, Sonic? You know what I mean? Like, I understand why Mario hasn't had the lows, because they've been so protective of it
Starting point is 01:05:36 and because they treat each game like an event and a down entry is something like Super Mario Sunshine that's still a pretty good game. But like, why is the Crash Bandicoot franchise not like prone to the same sort of miscues that seem to befall Sonic team? I will say there's like there's sort of like murky crash years. There's game, no, there's crash games that aren't great,
Starting point is 01:05:59 but there's no crash game where like, that's a piece of shit. There's a Sonic 06 of crash. There is a like, Konami had crash for a minute and churned out a bunch of kind of weird games, one where he could like jump into bodies. And they tried to do some shit
Starting point is 01:06:12 like this. It's like, let's change up the gameplay. I don't know that I played too many of, but I think Crash, you know, we'll just go back to the basics every couple of years. And the thing about him that it's easy enough to sort of just get behind whatever he's up to is because he's not talking.
Starting point is 01:06:29 He's not saying it. He's not yakking. He's just doing his little dance. He's spanking his little butt at year or so wearing his little jeans. He wears jeans. He wears jeans. Him just not talking is so huge. That's a great point. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:40 And but like also he's, he's also fast. He's not as fast as Sonic. He's not as fast enough for Heather. So slow. He's not as fast as Sonic. Well, look, I said that. I didn't say he's as fast as Sonic. He runs at Sora in Kingdom Hearts One speed.
Starting point is 01:06:53 And that's perfect. With the same sort of gait also with the feet being too big. Yeah. Boulder is going after him and he's jogging. Because he doesn't got to care in the world. He's also going to just like, look, I think Crash might be cooler than Sonic. Is Crash cooler than Sonic? I think he probably is because Sonic can be able to try hard.
Starting point is 01:07:11 No, he's zanier than Sonic. He's not cooler than Sonic. I think Crash fucks actually. What? Because there's like the girl one too. The one thing we know. Yeah, Coco's in there too. The one thing we know from the internet is that Sonic is constantly fucking. Nah.
Starting point is 01:07:25 Sonic does fuck. Not like Crash though. Okay, fine. Sonic fucks. Crash makes love. There it is. Is ratchet. That's true.
Starting point is 01:07:32 That's true. That's it. Is Ratchet cooler than Sonic? Oh, absolutely. Without a question. You'd say absolutely. I mean, the games are better. Which Ratchets the PlayStation one?
Starting point is 01:07:44 Yeah, Ratchet and Clank. Well, yeah, a lot of them are the PlayStation ones, unfortunately. No, but, like, is it the one that looked like a Pixar movie that came out with the top? Was that the beginning of PS4 or PS5? Yeah, PS5. PS5 Rifted Apart. Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart is just a great game. Yeah, it really is.
Starting point is 01:08:02 And I was like, which one was that? But yeah, he's beautiful in that game. Good looking guy. Yeah. And clank's not so bad either. Yeah. Commander Quark, if you like a bigger boy. Some people do.
Starting point is 01:08:18 There's a Ratchet and Clank movie that is just lost to time. It's crazy that that came out with no fanfare. Around that time, it seems like they tried to make a couple PlayStation movies. There's a crap. There's a, sorry, a Ratchet and Clank movie, and there's a heavenly sword. movie. Oh, yes. I remember the
Starting point is 01:08:34 supposed to be big PS3 killer app Heavenly Sword. I think there was a concept or like a teaser for a
Starting point is 01:08:41 Sly Cooper one also. And I do think Sly Cooper would have worked better as a movie. Sly Cooper's cool. Sly Cooper's really cool. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:48 Cool than Sonic. Sly Cooper, yeah. Boy, that's a dormant franchise that could come back. I guess Sucker Punch is busy with the
Starting point is 01:08:54 Ghost of World. Yeah, no, yeah. I'll never get back to it. But those games are great. Yeah, really, really, really fun.
Starting point is 01:09:00 Where does Sonic, like ultimately, if we think about the Sonic franchise holistically? And Jordan, I went through and like looked at all the past games that we've covered with you. Yes. And it's fewer Sonic games than I thought. Uh-huh. It's Sonic 06, it's Shadow the Hedgehog, and it is Sonic Frontiers. I believe it's those three. And then we also, of course, cover Baylon Wonderworld.
Starting point is 01:09:27 But it felt like we covered like 10 bad Sonic games. but we only covered a few. Is this like, I guess just as mascot platformers go, it's not kind of got some of the highest highs, but also some of the lowest lows. And it's kind of almost hard to figure out where your ranks of the hierarchy. Obviously, he's one of the most iconic video game characters.
Starting point is 01:09:46 But as a franchise, it's so uneven and such a frustrating piece of IP because it feels like they should know what to do. It's relatively simple. You know what it is? You know what reminds me of? It's like what illumination is. doing the Despicable Me franchise.
Starting point is 01:10:02 Okay. Let him cook. Where it's like, it's just the minions. You're all overthinking it. It's just the minions. We don't care about Agnes going to summer camp. We don't care about Gru's fucking daughters. Like, I get that it's that the heart of the story is that Gru has this found family.
Starting point is 01:10:17 But ultimately, this is about minions doing pratfalls. So like, have that stuff in there, sure. But what, like, keep the eye of sore onto the minions and jam pack it with minion stuff. And it's the same thing with Sonic. It's like every time they try to do a little. little English on it. Every time they try to lose some variations on the theme, it's just like, you've lost what's fun about this
Starting point is 01:10:37 which is the sense of speed. I don't think we've talked about this. You know what I think is really funny about the minions? Not just that they're always doing silly things or saying funny things. They have butt cheeks. The butt cheeks are very funny. That's a great choice.
Starting point is 01:10:51 They have a little round of butt. Yeah, it's really funny. I do think the thing that Sonic has to his benefit that some of these other mascot video game mascots don't have is like solid media outside of the video games
Starting point is 01:11:10 like the cartoons are all like for the most part pretty funny good that's true the movies are great people like the comics Sonic exists beyond just the video games and he works well there so I like because like
Starting point is 01:11:24 you know I think the Mario games are better to me I'm not saying that they are better I'm not trying to hurt anybody's feelings like how Mario games are better than the Sonic games Overall they're better of course That's an arguable
Starting point is 01:11:37 That is inarguable But I would say His leaps outside of the video games Are hit and miss The Mario's yeah Like whereas like the even like the movie The you know The illumination movie
Starting point is 01:11:52 Is fine It's not like as it's not anywhere near as good As Sonic 3 Which is an incredible movie to me This goes back to something that Jordan brought up on the main feed regarding Nintendo, but is part of the passion of the Sonic fandom that there's just so much to complain about. You can complain about Sonic endlessly. You can talk about how he does either doing everything wrong,
Starting point is 01:12:17 but that's part of what makes it compelling, and that's part of what keeps you coming back to each entry. And when there is something that's like even as flawed as Sonic Frontiers is, but like captures the essence of Sonic, you're like, you're like, yes, give me more of this. I don't know. And to evidence this, I have pulled up the user reviews on Metacritic of this game. And the overall consensus on Sonic Unleashed is about 60%, 55 to 60%. This is the critics.
Starting point is 01:12:49 Yeah, I know to the same thing. But the user reviews is 8.6 out of 10. Right. So it's holding it 81%. Even these YouTube videos that I watched of like the Sonic reviewers talking about this game and, you know, it being playable on PC now. I mean, the tone of it was all like this underappreciated classic. There's a lot of reclamation of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:13:10 And I think, I don't know. I think people, you know, especially, you know, today and if you have to do like online content, there is a little push toward like have the hot take. And I think people like the narrative of like people forgot about this game, but I'm the one who knows it's good. I did see this Polygon article I was telling you before we started that the headline of it was basically the internet's decided that this sonic, this bad Sonic game is good now. Well, like here, this is in recent review, November 28th, 2025. Heather, I'm sorry, are you saying that those were our thoughts about maybe we were wrong? Maybe we were wrong. We've got some reviews we've pulled from the internet that tell us a different story to our own experience and a game we just played.
Starting point is 01:13:55 November 28th, 2025. This is a person who has nothing to gain by reviewing this falsely, unless they're a bot. This is not a YouTube video. They can be hired by the state. We don't know. It's not somebody who's like trying to make a name for themselves. They just write on Metacritic. Seeley-Covec writes, one of the best games I've ever played and easily the best Sonic game of all time.
Starting point is 01:14:21 It's a masterpiece in game design and executes upon all its ideas. giving us a very fulfilling, long, and challenging experience that's extremely worthwhile, and I'd recommend it to anyone that's willing to take their time with it and enjoys difficult games. Right below that, Sonic Fanboy 233, 10 out of 10. I played this on an Xbox series X and had a blast with the game. The daytime levels were fast and fun. The nighttime levels were slow, but nothing to complain about. I definitely recommend this game 10 out of 10.
Starting point is 01:14:51 These are people who are playing the same game we're playing, And they're like, it fucking rules. It's not that they're like, I fucking hate this. I can't wait until the next Sonic game comes out and they get it right. It's not malice. It's not anger. There are so many. There's, there's.
Starting point is 01:15:09 There are people who genuinely like this game. I found a five-star Amazon review of the PS3 version. The user's Ike Gents. I'll read some of this because it is essay length. Headline, seriously, my favorite game of all time. I will simply start with this game is awesome it has a great story
Starting point is 01:15:27 great gameplay graphics are absolutely gorgeous and the soundtrack is incredible it is very clear to me that people who did not enjoy this game simply didn't spend enough time playing it and I can see that honestly the very first time I played it I found it to present quite the learning curve
Starting point is 01:15:40 however it was not an impossible one in terms of graphics wow this game came out in 2008 and it still looks amazing to play today the game's signature hedgehog engine that actually was the name of the engine in the Hedgehog engine, displays the game's environments
Starting point is 01:15:54 in the utmost beauty, and you really do feel like you're running through Greece, Italy, the Big Apple, Africa, Alaska, Thailand, China, and the Middle East on a mission to save the world. Overall, I really can't put into words
Starting point is 01:16:04 how much I love this game. I'll just say that if I ever have to be exiled to a desert island for some strange reason, I'm either going to be bringing my PS3 and Sonic Unleased with me or die trying. Wow. Whoa.
Starting point is 01:16:15 You know, and like, I think sometimes we see this happen when like the kids of something grow up, right? Like, I mean, the Star Wars prequels, great example of, right? Like, everybody was kind of like, eh, these clunky things. And then the prequels kids grew up, and now people are like, make an Asoka show.
Starting point is 01:16:33 Yeah. Yeah. And I do like the prequels and kind of see what's good about them now. But, like, I think Sonic has that, too, of like, this was just the game they gave this 10-year-old. That's what I kind of think. I think just hit them, hit them at the right age. And now that they can, like, make a profile and comment.
Starting point is 01:16:50 They're like, why do people hate this? Right. Should have gave him a book or something. You turn it up real loud when your parents are fighting. It comforts you. Chip lost his memory and I wish I'd lose mine. Oh, I wish I could lose my memory like Chip. I think the only time amnesia's worked for me in a story was in, I think, is it Fast and Furious Six or something?
Starting point is 01:17:15 Oh, when that's how they explained Michelle Rodriguez coming back to life. She's just like, forgot everything. Yeah. Did anybody watch the last boss of this? Yes. Which is a, so you don't play as Sonic anymore. You play as a underground city that comes to life and you pilot it like a Mac. Yeah, very Gurin Lagoon, actually.
Starting point is 01:17:37 Yeah. You know, I do like how in these games, kind of, I don't know if anybody's played a recent Kirby game. Oh, yeah. At the end of those, Kirby always has to fight like a biblically accurate angel god. Right. And I do like these little cartoon characters having to fight this like horrible Lovecraft monster. And that part was at least kind of crazy and fun. I don't imagine it was fun to control.
Starting point is 01:18:00 But like looking at it, I'm like, this is cool and insane. Yeah. Yeah. You fight as a city and then you fight Robotnik as the werehog. And you're punching a gem in his chest. Right. And it is miserable to watch. So I can't like watching it.
Starting point is 01:18:19 I was like, this looks. like it sucks. So like I can't imagine how bad it felt. Watching it, I'm like, Robotnik looks too far away to punch. Agreed. And then the guy playing this game and making this play through punches and then doesn't connect with Robotnik,
Starting point is 01:18:37 but he just takes the damage anyway. It's so fucking confusing. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah. It's not good. And then you turn into a city meck. And Robotnik the whole time is saying things like, oh!
Starting point is 01:18:49 Yeah. Oh, it's like, oh, God, this sucks. Jim Carrey's robotic is really funny. He is, he's great. He is good. He's great. The movie's good. Give us a Sonic 4.
Starting point is 01:18:59 Are they making it? They're going to do it, right? Are they not going to do it? Why would they do it? They're going to do it. Is it that they kind of can't get Jim Carrey to commit to it? Is he like shaky on it? He said that he was never going to act again, and then he did Sonic 3.
Starting point is 01:19:12 Uh-huh. So maybe he's in that same place and they're going to try and get him to do Sonic 4. although he had a pretty decent, you know, resolution at the end of three. Yeah, it feels like they could just like, you know, and it's hard to imagine the Sonic franchise without a Robotnik slash Eggman as the antagonist, but it feels like there's a version where they don't need him for another entry. But, of course, he is such a charismatic force. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:39 Anyway, Sonic Unleashed, pretty bad game. Pretty bad. Awful. When you play one of these bad ones, though. For a second, you do have a crisis of faith a little bit, where you're having a bad time playing this game, and you sort of do think for one second, I don't like Sonic.
Starting point is 01:19:58 I think Sonic is bad, actually. What I more have, especially because this game is so frustratingly difficult, is having moments of like, am I mad at the game or am I mad at myself for being bad at this game? Yeah. And then you kind of realize the condensis, no, this game is very clunky and hard to control
Starting point is 01:20:16 and unresponsive, and it is notorious for its difficult even among its fans, then you kind of like, but I always want to be the guy, Jordan, that you're talking about on YouTube, is like, I want to go into these games and be like, actually, this game's fucking awesome. Nothing would have made me happier than to play this game and be like, oh, wait, it's actually really fun to be the Sonic
Starting point is 01:20:36 and then be the Sonic the Werehog. It's actually, this is a hidden gem. Unfortunately, it's just kind of a muddled mess. That happened to us kind of recently. to you and me Heather We played San Ron Cagra R-E burst renewal
Starting point is 01:20:52 On the show Which is a big titty anime game We did it as a prank And we were like actually This is good Yeah it was a lot more fun than this No you pick that as a game of like Like aha isn't it funny that
Starting point is 01:21:05 Nick isn't here We're playing this horny game Little did you know I already have that in my steamlight It's fun Flap them It's surprisingly, it's way more playable than Sonic Unleashed. Way more.
Starting point is 01:21:18 Yeah, it's and oftentimes faster. Yeah, and more fun. Yeah. Bigger tities, too? It's close. Yeah, I mean, you get Rooge the bat in the Sonic franchise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:21:30 Oh, man, a Rooge. Um, all right. Well, I guess that's this week's how did this get played for the get played DLC. We'll keep doing this. We'll keep punishing ourselves because we know you like it. but thank you Jordan for being here. Oh my God. Thank you so much for having me.
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