Get Played - Forza Horizon 6 with Garrick Bernard

Episode Date: June 29, 2026

Garrick Bernard (Rick and Morty) joins Heather, Nick and Matt to talk about Forza Horizon 6 and racing games! Check out our merch at kinshipgoods.com/getplayed Follow us on social media @getplayedpod Music by Ben Prunty benpruntymusic.com Art by Duck Brigade duckbrigade.com For our exclusive show Get Played DLC, ad-free main feed episodes, our complete back catalogue including How Did This Get Played? episodes go to patreon.com/getplayed Join us on our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/getplayed Wanna leave us a voicemail? Call 616-2-PLAYED (616-275-2933) or write us an email at [e-mail] Advertise on Get Played via Gumball.fm All of our links can be found at linktree.com/getplayedpodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And use code get played. Oh, man, I'm so excited about this topic this week. It's so fun. I don't know. Like, maybe I'm not as familiar with racing. You guys have played racing games, right? Yeah. I mean, it's not really a genre I know a ton about.

But there have been definitely been some racing games. games and cart games I've enjoyed. Yeah, me too. I don't know if you know this, but I discovered something about racing games that kind of applies to real life. Mm-hmm. Okay?

There's a secret code you can enter in your car that lets you be able to race and go anywhere. What do you mean? So I was on my way to work today, and I was like, I wonder what would happen if I just, like, tried some of the stuff that I do in the game.

Mm-hmm. And I did this code on my steering wheel. I jerked the wheel left and right really hard and really fast. And then I got to drive out of bounds, like open world style. Like I crossed like there was like a like, you know, there's like, they're kind of like, I don't know, like rails. Like, you know, like on rails shooters on rails driving. Yeah. There's like rails on the side of the road.

But I don't know if you know this. You jerk your wheel with this code. You can go through those. and anywhere you want. So wait, hang on. So you're talking about you're talking about like driving through

like rails. Yeah, it sounds like you just drove off road. No, no, no, no. So I entered a code. So like I was on the 101. I'm on the 101 freeway, right? And I'm going northbound. I'm heading to work, right?

And I took my wheel and I did this thing I do in Forza where I just jerked it really hard to the left. Yeah. And then I got to do. like an entirely new racing level where all the cars were coming at me from the wrong direction. Okay, so you took your car and now you're driving on the wrong side of the freeway.

Heather, that's extremely dangerous. It's not called on the wrong side. It's called open world driving. And from there, I did another, I did a left, right, left. And then I hit my gas twice and put it all the way to the ground. And I was able to go over the side of the highway, into like a grass area and there was like no clipping in that grass area

I just like kept driving. This is starting to make sense. I think I heard about this on the news. Yeah, this sounds like this was this was, you know, the, like there was a high speed chase involved in this where there were the police vehicles in pursuit? Oh, that was the other thing. That was the other thing.

So just like in a video game, okay guys, okay? I went through a barn and then I went through this like the living room of this house. Yeah. And I was like, this is incredible. It is just like the games. It was like I spawned cops. And they were like everywhere.

Yeah, they're going to be on top of something like that. But do you know that if you do like a left, right, left, and then you slam your car into reverse, you can like drive at those cops and like kind of go over them? I, I, I'm just. worried about you. I'm, I'm, like, I feel like it's just, just be careful out there. Oh. Because what, you know, this code you've discovered. It was so cool. I mean, yeah, but it seems like it could get you into some trouble. But, you know, I can relate. Oh, here's it. You can?

Oh, no, go ahead. Oh, I was going to say there's one other code I tried. So I, I, you know, when I spawned all the cops and they were like all over the place, I rolled down my windows and I turned my radio all the way up, like all the way up. And I did this, like, cool gesture with my hands. Yeah. Like, it was kind of like I did like a one two finger, like one two finger. Yeah. What, like a, like the, like your middle finger?

Yeah. And they shot me. They shot me in my legs. Oh my God. Yeah. Like in a game. That's, yeah. Are you okay?

Are you okay? I don't know, I don't know how to turn off the like pain toggle. Yeah. But it hurts. How did you even get here with? a police tail or anything like that. Oh, you just keep jerking the wheel all over the place and eventually you can get rid of the cops.

They like despawn. Especially if they're a really fast truck. I'm concerned for you, but I can't relate. Oh, yeah? How so? Well, I also had an experience like a video game. Oh, yeah? Yeah, you know, like a stealth mission

when you kind of sneak in someplace? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I snuck into the boys locker room at the high school. Oh, God. And hid just like solid snake inside a laundry basket under the discarded jock straps and towels. And just like in a video game, I saw everything. And I was jerking left and right. We nitro boost and take pit stops as we talk Forza, Horizon 6, and all things racing games this week on Get Play.

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It's great. All right. I've heard, I've now officially heard. Show him you're a tiger. I've officially heard both sides. Show him what you can do. I don't know what this is. The taste of Tony's frosted flakes.

Oh, I didn't know he did all that. Brings out the tiger in you and you. And he's tiger now. That's true. I'm tiger now. Hello everyone. Hello everyone. And welcome back to the premiere video game podcast where this week, it's time to go to the race.

Rhym-v-v-v-rum, as they say. Vroom-v-v-room in the night sky. Vroom, vroom, and... And we're about to shift into high gear right now with our guest, a comedian, writer, and actor from Rick and Morty and Star Trek Lower Decks. Derek Bernard is here. Hi, Gerick. Hey, hey, how's it going?

This is the best. This is the best day of my life. Sort of like a speed run into you learning the show is bad. No, no, I love the show. I'm a huge fan. Oh, God, God, yes. Yeah, hearing the intro be shifting gears. Oh, my God, all the puns.

Do every single one, please. Garrick, before we get into racing games, because we're spending some time talking about that. But I'm curious about, like, what sort of outside of that genre, When you don't get a steering wheel and pedals, what do you like to play? Oh, man. I love shooters a little bit.

I like just shooting somebody in the gut. Jesus. Why the gut? Because they can feel it. Because I know that they can, you know, they're just out there. He's just regretting choices. Yeah. Yeah, a shooter is always fun.

I never really, I mean, as far as like 2K and like aggressive, I used to play like Madden and whatnot. Sure, we do. But yeah, something about the first person shooter genre really captivated me as a child. And I don't love that, but it's great. You're in a Marvel rivals group with our pal, Cody Ziegler, Zieg.

I guess let me ask you, why is he sucks? so much. He's the best. He's the best one out of all of us. Yeah, I mean, once he picks up that Captain America Shield, he literally becomes he becomes the leader of the Avengers.

It's nuts. But he, you know, he's great. I'm there with him. And of course, I pick a character that shoots guns. I'm good at Star Lord. Okay. And yeah,

it's a very confusing game to watch. but it's super fun and I love those guys. We spend some time with rivals on an episode of the podcast just kind of got my dip my toe in the water but I get the appeal

I'm not like a team shooter sort of guy but Heather you are. Yeah, I'm a team well not a team shooter I'm a Fortnite which is different It's not a team shooter? I don't feel like it is because all the characters are the same

Oh I get what you're saying yes, the different The Overwatch model Yeah it's not it's not it's the same Got it. But I was going to say you know how what is your what's your shooter of preference right now that's not marvel like is there a is there like a game that you're playing where you're like i enjoy the feeling of the gun in this one uh the feeling of the gun in this i I do love Deadlock

That's one that's been getting a lot of That one is in playtest right now On Steam but I love the The mechanics of that one That's another hero shooter And I think that hero shooters have really Got me or also Marathon Marathon is another one that's very fine

Yeah I've heard you talking about Marathon Yeah Off Pod and it it's just I know that's a game that like The people who play it are really into it but I think there's some concerns that the player base is not like a sustainable at its current size. Yeah, I think that because Bungy had such a crazy pedigree coming into it, I feel like it was like an over promise. Right. And under deliver on the player base side.

But I do feel like the aesthetics of it is so cool and like the gunplay is so good that I'm praying that a lot of people get back into it or come to it in droves. But I also, the genre of extraction shooter could be a little intimidating. Right. Yeah. Does it have, like, is there anything that, that, um, uh, Marathon does distinct that or is it just like a really refined version of what's already there? Yeah, I think it's just a really refined version of what's already there. Yeah.

Um, and it's, I don't know. It just, I keep going back to it just looks cool. It looks awesome. It looks so. It's a long way. Yeah, it's such a fun, uh, take on blocky design. I wish that the shooter that I've been missing and craving lately is a shooter that takes all of the advances in visual fidelity and sort of like the density that games can have now and does a new World War II game. Yes.

Like I want a feeling of like the old school call of duties like doing Normandy, but it looking like saving Private Ryan. And then having mission structures that are like granular. Yes. You know. You want medal of honor. Yeah. Yeah. I want like the old.

And there, there, I feel like there's been, I mean, obviously it would be politically difficult to release one of those now because you'd be killing half of the country. Oh, yeah. But ha ha ha. Ha. Ha. It's a joke. It's parody.

Half the country of Germany is what I meant. Yeah. Right. But it, like, I miss that feeling. I miss that old, like. there's no like no recognizable like cars or like

modern weaponry it's all like an immersive hero fantasy there was something in the because I feel like you know call of duty obviously was kind of the progenitor of everything but also Medal of Honor the same thing but it was like kind of like the heyday of the 90s

was just like a World War II really like a nostalgia period I'm not sure what it was exactly it's like it's I think it was moral clarity I think it was just really nice to have moral clarity when because like in a time when America was coming out of a couple of pretty significant quagmires like the original Iraq war you know you you've got like this what all right now Rochelle is awake I said giggity I know I know I know I know I knew what you meant though too

I'm not a dumb guy that doesn't know what the word means sometimes I wish I just didn't talk at all Sometimes I wish I didn't do what I did. It's okay. You're in the right. No. I wish it doesn't matter. Everyone's doing great. Everybody's fine.

We're having fun. We're here with Garrick. Ranch is here, producer, Michelle Chen. And Ethan, our intern is back. Hi, Ethan. Hello, hello. Ethan, do you ever play a shooter at all? You ever get mess around with one of those games?

Not really. I mean, a little bit of Fortnite back in the day when it was popular. Back in the day. Ouch. Wow. A little bit of Valoran. Just a little bit.

Okay. But that was pretty much it. I was a big Minecraft guy. That was it. Wow. Hmm. Do you know what World War II is? It's a little past my time.

Yeah. Did you mess with Hell Divers at all? Yeah. Hell Divers, too. It was the best. What a blush. So, so far. Yeah, so far.

It's so random that everybody was like, we can't. There was a moment where, I believe Super Earth got taken over. And one of the regions was somewhere in China. And everybody flocked to defend this area of China from getting taken over by the bots or Abby. Because it's like, no, we're not going to, we can't let them fall or whatever. Into the dead of night, you're just waking up and you're just like playing with all just random. random people from across the globe

just trying to defend China because, you know, cars are cool or whatever. Super Earth might be like, for me, like a top five joke in all of video games. I just cool. So great in terms of just where exactly how stupid we are on a trajectory

to become. Yeah, shout out Craig Lee Thomas, our buddy past guest from the intro to Hell Divers do. Also, the thing that I learned recently that I texted you guys but did not ever, I think, say on the podcast is that I

listen to the Gundam Requiem for Vengeance score I'm wearing a Gundam shirt of course I'm driving around listening to that score and I was like I wonder what other stuff this guy has written and the composer of Hell Divers too is the composer of Gundam

Requiem for Vengeance. Wow wow that's awesome. I mean just shout out to him because the Hell Divers drops music the theme it rips. It's so good. It rips. Yeah. That's funny to just talk about a game we liked. Yeah, it is. I loved it.

It's a game that I wish I spent more time with, though, and got back into. But, I mean, I don't know what's going on over there now. Yeah. Do they even want me to come play? I'm sure they do. Yeah. I don't know. They'll take anyone.

Yeah, they'll take. All right. They just need bodies. They just want you to go die on another planet. And I'll do it. We talked to again off pod, but we were talking recently, like, your very first Mario. game was my favorite Mario Super Mario World. That was what introduced you to

Mario and I assume I guess maybe platformers in general. Yeah, games in general. Do you have any specific memories of that game? Just the, so the music for just the first level of you know getting Yoshi, getting on his back and then that theme I could listen to that every day for the rest of my life and I have to be.

Is that don't doon, don't don't don't don't don't do No, that's Mario 3. No, no, you're Murray 3. Oops. Sorry. I hate home. I'm sorry. When you jump on Yoshi, it's do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They had the little drum track. Yeah, it's the best. Maybe I might play it at my wedding. I don't know. I think that they should get some money for that. Yeah, no, no. Yeah, yeah, played at the wedding.

Is that first dance or walking down the aisle? I think that's walking down the aisle. That is her walking down the aisle. That is her walking down the aisle. I think. And then maybe you should jump on my back. You know, my brother's older than me.

But so like when I was like still like 17, like one of his, his friends was getting married. And I was at that wedding. I was the first weddings I was at in kind of like a non like little kid capacity. And I just remember the like the bride and groom who are great people. And and, you know,

funny, fun people. But like they, they walk. down together to this theme from Star Wars. I was like, I guess she could do that. Yeah. She's a song. Why not?

Yeah. I also had a friend get married to Star Wars music, which is, oh, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah. Never the Imperial March, hopefully. Yeah. Oh. I was at another wedding.

I mean, half the country probably. This is good. Germany. Germany. I was at another wedding where they, where they had someone sing live snake eater. for Metal Gear Solid 3. Oh. That was tremendous.

Why wasn't that my wedding? Matt, you tell me. You're climbing up a ladder? It just comes in quietly. Fuck you. Out of breath from climbing. Yeah, I mean, like, what, we all, we never covered Super Mario World specifically in the podcast.

We've all played it. That was also my first Mario. Yeah. For the Game Boy Advance, I played it on it. Oh, okay, okay. One of my most viral videos I feel like people would be like I'm surprised She didn't say this so now I'm saying it

Even though I didn't actually want to say it But I can read the comment on Discord in my brain Was I wrote lyrics to the The Mario song For And you know people everywhere Watched it About punching Yoshi in the back of their head

Yeah it's about punching him in the back of the head And then ditching him That's all you get on me Stick his tug on. Yeah. Oh, God. Is that canon? I mean, it's certainly what the animation looks like.

No, I think he's pointing. He's pointing, okay. But it sure looks like he's punching. It really does. Do it. We can get him. Brutal stuff. Could have been an Easter egg in Mario Galaxy.

Yeah, you should have punched him in the back of the head. And then, like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. All I wanted to see was baby Mario. All I wanted to see was, baby Mario. All I wanted to see. was baby Mario doing like a discreet Yoshi's island reference where baby Mario was crying and Yoshi had to go rescue him.

Didn't he get that? No, we don't get that specifically. They get, you see him baby. He's having a fun time being a baby. Yeah, he's enjoying being a baby. But he doesn't get distressed as a baby. I also, oh, I have to go. He's in peril.

When we were in Japan and I got the, um, uh, the Game Boy Micro. I bought a game to play on the plane. I was like, what's a game that I could buy that. that would be in Japanese but that I wouldn't really need to know the instructions or read what's going on and it was Super Mario World for the Game Boy Advancees and that's what I got.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, an all-time, right? I mean, it's on my top 10 games all time. It's my favorite, is that, well, like, what is, have you kept up with Mario as a franchise? Yeah. What's your favorite Mario?

Um, I mean, I think 64 was the first one that I actually like played all the way through and beat and whatnot. But I, Like, Super Mario Galaxy was fantastic. Yeah. So good. Jesus Christ.

I mean, that just introduces you into physics in a way. I was just like, oh, gravity is what? You know, like that whole feel. But I think Mario Odyssey is probably my favorite one because starting off with Super Mario World and then going to Super Mario 64 and being like, wow, look at this jump. and then playing Odyssey there's a level or a scene

where he you put a hat on a zipper and you unzip a world and I cried because like just full on like because it was such an emotional weird thing that just kind of weld up where I was just like fuck this is

this is where we came to this is where this is where we started and this is where we're headed and this is where we've landed where we're at and I'm like I cannot believe they keep on inventing new things, but also bringing me to any form of emotion all these years later.

Yeah. As far as 3D Mario's go, I mean, like I feel like Odyssey, 3D world, they're two of the best ones. The recent you buy us a hoi, but it's just like, it's so refined now. Yeah. But what you were just talking about, that feeling is like, I had that feeling while playing Astro Boy.

Not Astrobat. We do this a lot. You're not the first to do it. and you won't be the last. It's a thing that happens. I fucked up. It's one letter difference. Ranch edit that out.

Can you just turn the boy into a bot? Okay, thanks. Great. Great, we're set. Astrobot. I had that sensation while playing Astrobot. And then also, by the way, Astro Boy, Game Boy Advance, also a great game.

But also the Super Mario Wonder, which, like, the 2D one, I just had the same sort of thing. I just like so much creativity, so much of like, What's great about a game like, you know, inside, which we've talked about at length. But it's just like, here's a new mechanic that's introduced and we're going to explore it to its fullest. And then that's it.

Then you don't see it again. It's just like, I love that approach to platformers. I think you should share the thing that you told us about yesterday. What did I say? About the gap between Mario. Oh, well, I mean, if you. Not to put you on a spot. If you don't count wonder as a mainline entry, which it's questionable whether it's a

mainline entry, then in, I believe January of next year will be the longest we've ever gone without a mainline entry for Mario. Because the distance from Odyssey to now is an enormous gulp. It was released in 2017. Oh, my God. Like nine years ago. That's a long fucking, are you okay? I hate that.

That's so long ago. Yeah, I hate feeling. It's really long ago. Jesus Christ. Nintendo, where is he and what have you done with Mario? He's in the movies now. Release him.

Is that the thing he's too busy acting in the movies to be in the games? Yeah, that makes sense. He's too busy acting in the movies. His availability is really limited. Yeah. He's like, I want to be in the games, but I'm in the movie. I'm so sorry.

I went and became a star. I'm so sorry. I wonder if a Mario movie makes more money than a Mario game. I don't think. thinking. I mean, because the first one made $2 billion. Yeah.

Like, is it financially better for Nintendo to make Mario movies than it is Mario games? Are the Mario games making billions? I think they're making more gross revenue from Mario games, but there is a halo effect of having the Mario movie out there probably elevates the sales of everything in the catalog. And then not just games, but all. also like, you know, merch and, uh, it visits to Super Nintendo world and what have you. So I, I mean, there's no reason for them not to keep doing it. But like, I remember that with the last of us series is just like when the last of a series came out. It's just the, the sales of the game, with games,

which has all been out for years exploded. Because people are just like, either there were, there were people who were like, oh yeah, I love that game. Let me buy it on PS5. Or there were people who are like, like, what, wait, this is a video game. Let me try this out. This will be like one of the three games I purchased this year. According to a quick Google search, Super Mario Odyssey sold 30.5 million copies worldwide. That translates to roughly $1.83 billion in direct gross revenue. So considering that they have to split revenue with Universal and Illumination and everything on the movies, I would have to imagine that the game made them more money.

The production costs are probably lower for the game, too, even though the game, you know, game budgets have swollen so much. Yeah, don't know. Yeah. Hmm. Wow. Hey, buddy, summer always changes how I get dressed. I want pieces that feel lighter and more breathable, things that are easy, but still put together.

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Well, Garrett, I have one more question for you before we regress to the podcast. And in fact, I'll extend this to everyone in the studio, including Ranch and Ethan, if you have anything you want to chime in with. The question of the day is, what are you playing? What are you playing? It hides me the resident even merchant. And I'm here to talk to my friends about what they're playing for video games or how they're doing in their regular life. I think I'm going to cry. Let's go, man. This is like when you see a kid at Disneyland meeting Mickey.

Yes. You know, this is exactly the, oh, my God. I've been waiting so long to meet you, man. You can meet Mickey Mouse. You can meet him. Yeah, you can meet Mickey. You have to go to Disneyland. You have to go to Disneyland. Or you'll be on a Disney cruise.

I am not allowed in Disneyland. Yeah, I probably could have... Yeah, probably not. They probably don't want you to be so cloaked. I got confused and disoriented the last time I was there and hit one of their pirates on the ride. You're not supposed to hit. We've talked about you hitting, you're not supposed to hit.

You reached out of the moving car and the... and the boat and then hit an animatronic. I wish I had that kind of reach, Nick, but really I got out of the boat. Okay, so that's even worse. Went into the village. Saved a lady who thinks he was in danger. And I punched the fuck out of one of those pirates. Yeah, you probably hurt your hand pretty bad because they were...

His head went backwards like a clock. Lady in the boat screamed. And then I got in, I went out the wrong door and I was in the back of the, it's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. Were you in the back rooms? No, no, no, no. I don't, I don't fuck with that. You don't do that.

So you've been to the back rooms? No, no, no, no. I said that. I see that and I get the other way. Yeah. As a spooky scary figure yourself, even you have a threshold and entering the backrooms is beyond the pale. Yeah, who would? Why would anybody go in there?

I wouldn't be caught dead. No. I would simply refuse to enter the back room. Frankly, I think you got to be a fucking idiot to go in the back room. I think that's my position as well. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to go in the back rooms. I might go in the back rooms. No, don't go in the back rooms.

You go in the back room? If I saw him, I might be like, I'll just take a little peek in there. I'm certainly not going to lose my mind and become obsessed with it. You don't know that. I'm not going to live there. You said that about spirals. I did say that about spirals and I spiraled into madness

Where Richelle, Ethan Would either of you go into the back rooms I would go into the back rooms Yeah it feels like a ranch thing Yeah Ranch probably invented it Probably

Ethan I know you're someone who Like our other intern Ryan is someone who is someone who is interested in media filmmaking Are you someone who was used to these shorts? Had you seen the backroom shorts back of the day? I hadn't really.

I'm also interested in film, and I'm surprised I hadn't seen those. Thanks. All right. I get one. I was teeing you back up. Oh, you were? You were already doing it. I thought you're going to shake my hand.

No, I would never. Great, because it was an awkward angle. Yeah, we wouldn't have done it the right way. All right, I guess I said that's the question. That's my job. Nick Weiger, what are you playing? Wow, I'm up first. I'm, here we go.

I'll just get right into it because we are, I will get back, oh, us peek behind the curtain a little bit. We are recording this episode a little bit in advance. So I'm still playing me to the hollower, and I don't have a major update. In fact, I think by the time this episode comes out, you know, me talking about current progress will be like, you know, and people will have finished this game.

But I just will say this is the consensus game of the year for a reason. and if something ends up surpassing it, that would be a great, like, that would be awesome. I mean, I'm just like, I think the only reason it might happen is either there's a game that's, that's more ambitious or greater,

grander in scope, or just has, you know, like, like that AAA sheen versus kind of the indie appeal. You're getting from the mean of the hollowware retro art direction and, and sound design and music. But, or just recency bias.

Like, like, like this came out, maybe just a little too early in the year. But I do want to talk about one issue with this game because I think there is a fair bit of criticism and it's something I touched on the first time I brought it up. And Matt, you experienced this as well.

It's the difficulty curve for this game is steep. Now, I don't think it's unmanageable. I think it settles at a manageable level. I think it's fact, in fact, it becomes, as you keep playing it and not just become more proficient with its systems, particularly burrowing, and using that for, like, as an offensive move in combat, but also just like collecting power-ups that allow you to survive a little bit for longer stretches.

But it is front-loaded in terms of how hard it is. And I imagine the same thing happens to Heather and Matt. Like a lot of casual gamer friends ask me as if I'm some sort of authority what games they should be playing. And I've been pointing to me to the hollower, but I do feel like I have to a little Biel corollary. Like, you know, it like starts off pretty hard. And there are few people I know who would enjoy this game that I feel like maybe I'm just being a bad salesman, but I feel like I've like that is enough of a roadblock for them to be like, ooh, I don't know. Or I can imagine if even if they played it, they might like just bounce off of it in the first couple hours. So it's weird to criticize such a, I'm not even criticizing like such a, this game.

I'm just kind of like questioning the approach that's present in some of these games where it feels like it's, it's almost hostile. to new players and alienating possible fans, people who could love this thing with initial difficulty, whereas, I don't know, I mean, because you'll make to Mario, it's like, I feel like I'd like to see in a game like this, maybe the equivalent of like a level one, one in Mario. You know what I mean?

Like here's just a teaching exercise. Here's just how everything works, and here's like a gradual ramp, and we're going to get into it. The first couple hours of gameplay instead of being essentially a skill check and a thing that you have to like power through, like it's like the first few episodes of The Wire.

It's like it's something that you can that really like embraces you and welcomes you in to what is ultimately like an incredibly charming and engrossing experience. But I don't know. I just like that's me just looking for for something to talk about in terms of just like this game not reaching perhaps the some people who would again really enjoy it. But overall it's just it's it's good. Are you still playing it, Matt? You so messed around with it? I have it sort of tapered off for it because I know I'm going to have a stretch of time

where I'm going to really devote some time to it. That's the whole thing. Just because we're recording this episode in advance because we have a little hiatus because of people's travel and what have you. And so I have this stretch. I'm just like, I'm going to finish this game. Because I also, it's not very long.

No, it's not. It's huge. There's like a lot to do in it. But I think I read it's like 15 hours or something. It's like not too crazy. There's also like a, Apparently you can keep endlessly new game plusing it. Okay.

So, I mean, I think there's a lot of additional content. I'm sort of thinking about, like, starting from scratch. Like, I didn't get very far, but, like, I'll start from zero just to go through it again. I do that all the time with games. Like, I'll have a little false start, especially when it's like, if it's something we talk about for the podcast, you know, and like, okay, I'll mess around with this a little bit. I do plan to come back to it later, and they come back to it instead of being like, where am I in this three-hour save? Yeah. I'll just start over.

Yeah. It's fine. It's okay. I don't know. Kirk Hamilton of the great triple-click podcast has some guidance as well for like, because sometimes you'll have a game like, oh, I put like 25 hours into this and then just whatever.

Life got in the way and I'm coming back to it a month later. I'm totally lost again. Remember how to play this thing. If you don't want to go all the way back to scratch, what you can do is maybe sometimes just play the first hour of the game and then go back to your save and just be, oh, right, that's how this game works,

you know, again, to kind of have that sort of gradual entry point. Yeah. But yeah, mean of the Holloware. That's what I've been playing. Heather, what about you?

Guys, they've brought sprites to Fortnite. And what does that mean? It means that there is now a... What? I just had a knowing look with Nick, and then I just shook my head like we can't do it to. We both chose not to. Yeah.

But not doing it, but still doing it is doing it. I thought I did it out as subtly as I could. I thought it did a pretty good job. In all fairness to Matt, he did not vocalize. You looked at him and said, what? Yeah, I didn't do anything. I just, I just, we sort of, whenever, uh, Heather brings up sprites,

we like bring it to like the soda. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's pretty, pretty one to one. Yeah. I don't like that. No, she's, not, not a bit she enjoys. It's too funny, she said. Oh, yeah.

So, Gary, Gary, uh, Garrett has observed this. Heather has grown so impatient with being Matt that we will have situations where like, I will ask Heather like, uh, hey, how was your day? And she's like, what? What are you doing? Leave me alone.

It's so funny. Just coming into work. Hey, how are you doing? Fuck you. It's the greatest bit of all time. Shut up. I don't know. I do think telling somebody to shut up is so funny.

I don't say shut up. I just ask what, what is it? Because he doesn't say it. You don't say it like a person would. I think I do. I think I have some ulterior motive. You do have an ulterior motive. Did you have a nice weekend?

Because you look like you have a surprise party on the other side of a door. So it's always like, what did you have for breakfast? You think you're anticipating some sort of mystery. Yeah, like you're going to get pants. or something. I'm just making conversation. I'm working my facial expressions. So, all right.

Maybe I stop going like this so much. How was your weekend? Yeah, I guess I shouldn't. All fingers together. I shouldn't ask you a question. And then when you start to answer, go, all going to play. Yeah, and you got to stay away from that shabbily covered hole that you have.

Yeah, yeah, right, yeah. Yeah, you got to stop putting on those glasses that have. machine. But it's also, it's also, no, because it is, here's the thing,

it is on purpose. Because like, the whole room will be eating lunch. Everybody's got a food. And he'll just say to me, what kind of sandwich you got? Everybody else is eating lunch. So I know it's not,

it's not, it's targeted. I think it's more that he knows you probably the best and it's like, I'll ask, I'll open up this large He probably wants to ask somebody else about their lunch but doesn't want to ask them

first. There's also a look there's a faction and you and I are a part of this small faction that does not participate in the group lunch order but instead brings our lunch from home. Yeah. So like I can usually tell like oh they had a Chipotle

today and I can see everyone's got similar. There's a line for the bathroom similar mush balls but I don't know you You bring interesting stuff. You bring like curry sometimes in a thermos. Yeah, that's true. Curry thermos.

All right. Okay. So as I was saying, I'm playing Fortnite again. Oh, interesting. There's a new mechanic, which I think makes it different than almost all other seasons of Fortnite in that you have a pre-round, equippable loadout. And that load out takes the form of a sprite. The sprite you wear on your back.

and it gives you a predetermined bonus that you have for the length of the round or until you swap out the sprite in the round or die and lose the sprite and are rebooted. I think that is a really fascinating mechanic to bring into Fortnite because in a way, it is a little like choosing a character. And so if you go in and you're like, I am a loot goblin, I'm going to wear a loot-centric sprite on the back of my, on my back bling, then I'm going to prioritize going after loot at like up top because it's more likely to spawn rare loot. But there are there are sprites that as you level up the sprites inside of the match, they drop bonuses at predetermined times. There are there are

ones that let you fucking swim faster. There's there's something like 30 sprites. And I like that that there's a new layer of customization to Fortnite before you drop. Why are you laughing, Ranch? What did he do? I can just see them holding back whatever you say the word spray.

Well, you said 30 and I was like, kind of an appealing amount of sprite. Get that at Costco? What's going on? I'm done. Somebody else fucking talk about it. No, you go.

No, I'm done. The sprites, it sounds like function like, they're like badges. They're like bonuses because I assume they're purely cosmetic. No, they're bonuses. Wow. And you have to find them in game in order to equip them. And you have to level them up in order to be able to purchase them from your locker if you are to lose them in a future match. It's a neat layer.

I'm really enjoying it. I'm also really enjoying the movement and the weapon set. It is nice to, and I only talk about Fortnite like once a month. now, apparently because it is not popular anymore, says Ethan. I think it's specifically said it's for grandmas and grandpas. Fair, fair. But yeah, that's what I've been playing. Matt, how about you?

What have you been playing? Is there like a... Don't be nice. You don't got to be nice and do a follow-up question. Because, like, I feel like this mode sort of lends itself to like a rogue light mode. And I wonder if that, like, exists within Fortnite already. Like, if there's like a, you know, how they have those other. games in there or if like that's something they should i would be interested in a roguelite mode it's i don't know

if there's a roguelike mode but certainly as you're playing you're like oh shit i've never even seen this sprite i'm going to equip it and if you if you die with it on your back then you have to pay to ever get him back when you start another round but there are like drop zones where you can go to these zones and upload the sprite into your locker so that the next time you don't have to pay for it. And so there's like, that's an additional element that you're kind of juggling while, while killing a lot of people.

It's great. It's always something going on in there. It is. Is there any sort of first person? I'm first person. Is there any sort of single player mode, rather, in built into Fortnite? I don't know.

I mean, the single player mode is solos. Yeah. Playing by yourself. Right, right. But I just, like, I was just, because Matt brings up a rogue light and I'm just like trying to think of how that would. I guess there's certainly.

You like a team sort of thing where you're going up against. waves of other teams moving. And there's also tons and tons and tons of like user designed Fortnite levels now. So those could all be solo games. I'm going to make one. Yeah. Matt, what have you been playing? Well, as we've talked to in recent weeks, we sort of have a bit of what I think we can describe as poke-madness.

Poca madness. We might be a freaking Pokemaniac. Yeah. Is that curable? No. So far there's no cure. It's getting worse. It's getting worse.

Yeah. Oh. It's good, yeah, it's. He's got a Pokemon tattoo. I'm considering a Pokemon tattoo. Popopia fucks up your brain. It really does. But so last week I said that I was interested in finding a way to play a translated

version of Pokemon Green to have an experience to like, because it was never properly translated and the sprites are different. I'm not going to, you don't have to look at me. Just thought it's the holidays. They get a cranberry edition. I'm dreaming of a Sprite Christmas. Save that for December. Write that down.

But like the sprites changed when they came, when they, you know, made the games for the rest of the world. So they like swapped out the syrup. You're just using all of the ones that you didn't want to say forever. Now that's happened to me twice, I'm getting fucking mad. You can't do that. No, but the, it's, I said last week it'd be like, it's like playing a game from your childhood from an alternate history of your life basically because it's like, it's, functionally,

it's the same game. I'm playing, I have three badges. I'm in the, uh, I'm on my way to Fusha City and then sell it on City. And I have a fucking beast team so far. I have Charmielion. I did something that I've never really done before, actually. Because you go when you're on your way into Mount Moon,

there's a guy, there's like this shady guy who will sell you a magic carp for $500. But I've always been like, you don't need that because you get the old rod. You can get one. you can catch one easily a level five magic carp no problem I buy this magic cart from this guy I put him in the top position of my party and I just keep swapping them out so every battle every encounter he's getting experienced

and I raise him from level five to level 20 at which point he evolves into a Gerados who is at level 20 is a fucking force like it's just like is great so like my team right now is like all basically like level 25ish but I'm just having no issues. I've evolved a Niterino to a Nito King. I caught a level 31 Doug Trio.

So he's sort of like the leader of my group because he's like the strongest guy right now. But I'm having an absolute blast of this thing. And it's interesting because like some of the, some of the sprites are consistent in both. So not all of them are different, but the ones that are different look sort of like wildly different.

Yeah. Like there's not a real, I wish I had an image of comparison, but like Machop looks weird. Like he looks like the top, like drawn from memory kind of. He's sort of like, for some reason the angle he's at is like he's sort of bigger this way.

Like he kind of, he looks like he has more of like a like, he's doing like a pop-eye kind of thing. Okay. He looks a little different. But a lot of them look the same, but I'm really loving it. And I'm playing it on the analog pocket. Ooh.

So it's also sort of like the, nicest way I could do it. And I, there's like a within the, the core that you can play on the analog pocket. There's a fast forward feature. So I'm just kind of like blasting through this. That's great. I'm just running through. Yeah. And having a blast. But I'm in the dark cave right now. It's interesting how limited it's that those were like there's now all these sort of modern features where like you don't even have to teach, um, a Pokemon and H. M. like to use flash or anything like that. You can just like use the HM from your items.

But in the old one, you had to sort of really figure out who was going to have the HMs that you need to like, you know, cut stuff or like use flash. I had to teach Pikachu Flash and was pretty devastated. He had a pretty good move set. I don't like having HMs being the main party, but sometimes you got to do it. Matt, this morning as a record, which will date the record,

but only for psychopaths. It's December 31st, 1998. There was a release on the Pokemon store, Pokemon Center, of Pokemon goods for your pets. I did see this. I purchased a leash, a collar, two dog bowls, like built into a set, and a silicon mat, all themed with Pokemon graphics.

They sell a snorlax dog bed. Oh, my God. Almost like the one that you got. Almost like the one that I drunkenly purchased and then returned. It is very big. It's for a big dog. And I thought about putting it in my house, but then I was like, this is an insane thing. There is sort of like a line that, like, once it's crossed, it's over.

The leash and the collar, great. Yeah. Silicon mat, great. Flood's great. But I just can't have like Pokemon furniture. in my house. Did you happen to observe if they had

because pet line stuff it's always for dogs. No, it's all cats too. They got cats too? They've got a jiggly puff cat bed with an open I think it's jiggly puff with an open mouth

and so the cat can crawl inside. I will be looking at I'll be looking at this. Matt, they have a magic carp cat toy that's a little fishing rod with magic carp on the end of it so you can play with the cat. I will be buying that.

I'll get the magic carp for sure. You have a cat? Yes. Two cats. What's your cat's names? Chanel and Gus. Really, really good. I have Bonnie and Tony.

Oh, hell yeah. Tony is my number one op. Why? He's a fucking piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a bully. He's my... Look, he bullies me.

He bullies you. I'm always worried. One day I'm going to come home, the TV, it's going to be on the ground. I just know it's going to be on the ground. This is partly on you for making his namesake Tony Soprano. His namesake is Tony Soprano. He's trying to run.

Rough me up. Yeah, he named him after a mafia cap. What did you expect? Yeah, also you bought him that Rolex. That's crazy. He also, he texted me once and the image was just him pointing at me. And I was like, how this cat get my phone number? He has a phone that I pay for.

Garrick, what are you playing? I'm playing rematch a lot. A rematch is. We touched on rematch a few weeks ago when we talked about soccer games, but please continue. Oh, man. So I played FIFA back in, like, I want to say FIFA 18 or one of the golden era. I don't know. I remember what year that was.

Anyway, but I played FIFA. And because it was so zoomed out, you kind of get out of it a little bit because the technical aspect of soccer or football is lost a little bit. where you're like, okay, well, pretty much I'm just commanding a group of men forward and positioning and all of that stuff. But the aspect of rematch that is so fun is that you are playing as a singular person. I understand that there's modes like that in FIFA now. But for whatever reason, rematch being of the style of Rocket League and being able to, you know, bounce the ball off the wall, adds a little bit,

enough of an arcade feel to it where it doesn't feel as aggressive while also allowing you to flourish and do different moves and all of that cool stuff of like a traditional soccer game and focus on positioning and all that.

And I think to your point about like a controlling single, you control it, you're controlling one play. it's like it's five on five so it's like a scale down because like like proper football like it's like it's like 11 person's side right so it's like there's there's so many players on the field that if you were to have everyone I mean I'm sure there are there people who do that and maybe have a great time but it just feels like you if you were like a defender in in that sort of is let me say defender ranch defenseman yeah defender okay if you were one of those in a ranch was captain of her soccer team

amazing yeah um and she uh they almost kicked her head clear clean off. Yeah. She was almost, she was almost killed. Yeah. Wow. Are you okay?

She told the story previously. It was harrowing. My neck is a little. Oh, this is real. No, this is real. Oh, God. Okay.

Oh. It's real. It's ranch lord. Wow. Here's some highlights from the story. Yeah. One, she got hurt.

Yes. Two, she woke up in an ambulance. No. Three, she threw up in her oxygen mask. Oh. Nobody helped her. Oh.

Had to eat that. No. Passed out again. No. Woke up in hospital. In neck brace for two months. That's the highlights. Senior year of high school.

Senior of high school. Wow. Did you... Was it an important move? Like, was this like a, you know, a header that you guys are both going up for? It's her first time playing soccer? Was it your first time playing soccer? I think what I remember, or has been explained to me, I was, me and an opponent were running,

straight after the ball and then we hit each other and I bounced off and fell on my head. Wow. Somehow worse the second time. Yeah, absolutely brutal. Any like plates or anything like that that had to be put into your skull?

No, no. It was just like a tear, a small tear in a muscle. It's a muscle issue. Oh, got it. Ethan, you ever play soccer? I played a little bit when I was younger, but not really. Awesome. Thanks, buddy. So would you say, like, because I'm interested in rematch, I really liked Sifu the other game that they made, but like, um.

Did you play Sifu? Oh, yeah. Seafood rocks. Seafood was so fun. But would you say that like rematch is closer to like an NBA Street volume two or is it like somewhere in the middle between that and like an NBA 2K or something like that? I think it's in the middle because you're, there's,

you know, there's skill moves and all that stuff, but everybody kind of has the same skill moves. You're not coming in and saying like, oh, this is a type of player I want to be. And, you know,

the, the moves that you get, that you get to do aren't that, like, they're not that stylish. You know, they're not that stylized. I think it is,

yeah, closer to in between. It's, it's, hmm, to, It's not NFL Blitz. It's not going all the way to like almost making a joke out of the sport.

No, no, no, no. I think it has the framework I feel like to be as competitive as Rocket League is now. Wow. To where everybody, you know, you have like a genuine e-sports league attached to it. And I pray that that becomes what rematch is like is or viewed as. Do you, like, how is the match making? Do you find yourself, like, is it easy to find matches? No, it wasn't.

It's not. No, no. I would say as of today, it just got good. And I feel like they were like, okay, let's really focus on making this great for the World Cup. Maybe a blooming interest in soccer will bleed into our game as a whole. so they got a lot of shit correct now but it is fun to go on Reddit and watch people complain about the game

and then also be like well come on guys they're French they don't you know the developer's friend they're on vacation let them leave them alone let them develop at their own pace and they did you know as they did with seafood they did deliver a really I feel like fantastic

experience in a fantastic game Like, it's sensational. It's kind of crazy to me that, like, they're, those are the two games they have. Yeah. Seafood and then this, this, like, online soccer game that you can play is, like, it's crazy. What's so nuts is because I feel like they made Seafood and they're like, what about more kicking? What if it was just kicking? Let's just do that.

The budget was really hard. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. I mean, as I mentioned about it. I've been, like, I wanted to mess around with it. It is on game pass, at least of this record. And, man, maybe with the World Cup fever.

Yeah. It's so good. And then they've got little, you know, tie-ins in the store. You can buy a little Balenciaga shirt. That's fun. It's the best. I do want to give a quick follow up on me in the hallway, because I do want to say, like,

I meant to draw a point in comparison with Silk Song, which is another game that I did not play Silk Song, but I know from Ranch and from Matt, and from a lot of people who've played it and have written about it and, you know, made videos and podcasts about it, that that game is like a masterpiece and everyone loves it. But it also, too, is like kind of an obstacle to get into it initially. I wonder if there might be something to do with both of those games had very long development cycles, which is great.

It's awesome that the developer had the leeway to be able to iterate on this thing and refine it so that the finished product comes out and is just like, oh, wow, this is just a wholly constructed, you know, work of art. But like I think sometimes when you would, like I would imagine if you're playing something, if you're developing something for that long, you could reach a point where you get so much familiarity with its systems that maybe it's hard to keep track of what the experience is like for new players. But I don't know.

I don't want to feel like I'm critical of this thing. It is a, it is a triumph. If I was ever a part of a creative work that was on this scale, I would feel like I had had lived a complete life. It's just an absolute fucking incredible achievement by Yacht Club games. Are you playing it on a handheld? I'm playing on PC. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I, for whatever reason, like, weirdly, the difficulty of it isn't the barrier for inch, a barrier of entry, four inch? Yeah, yeah. For me, but it's being able to play a top-down Zelda-like game on a handheld for some reason just like unlock something for me. Doing it on PC is like, or like doing it on a big screen.

Yeah. I feel like is one of those things that I would love to like just put it in my pocket and play rather than have a set up for it. I totally get that. And that might actually be the proper experience for this game that is so much like a Game Boy Color, you know, a tribute. So, I mean, especially if those are the games that were those like play, those experiences were formative for you as they were for Matt. Yeah, I'm playing, I'm playing Mina on my Ein Thor, which is like Android DS equivalent, basically.

And I kind of wish it was available to play on the analog pocket. It would be really cool on the analog pocket. It would be. But it's really nice on the Ein Thor. Ranch you got anything you're playing? I just finished this game called Dead Letter Department. Oh, wow. Tells about it.

It's like a typing game. And it's like kind of an immersive experience. Like Mavis Beacon? It's kind of like Mavis Beacon. Fuck yes. Did you know Mavis Beacon isn't real? That's a fictional character. Oh.

Isn't that crazy? I didn't know that. I thought she was real too. I thought she was teaching us how to type. No, it's there's no, it's an actor. She did teach you how to type. But they invented Mavis Beacon the character. I was devastated when I learned that.

Derek doesn't look too happy about it. She pulled out for face and it was Tom Cruise. I knew it was a mission impossible. Yeah, it's kind of an immersive experience where it's first person and you move to like this new city and get a job processing letters and mail that basically were returned to sender or couldn't be parsed out by whatever post office machine. And just some really weird shit happens. you start finding patterns in the letters

and weird things happen around you while you're on your computer. So is typing like a mechanic in it? Is that part of it? Yeah, it's part of it. Oh, okay. So what exactly is the gameplay loop then? Like you're looking at the,

you're looking at a letter and you're like, are you looking for inaccuracies or anomalies and typing them up? It, like, highlights different parts of the letter who wasn't able to, like, read, and then you type that out and then it just kind of brings you the next one, the next one,

and then you go through your day and then... So it's almost like a fill in the blank sort of thing. That's what it sounds like to me. Is that correct? Sort of, yeah. I mean, I don't want to give too much a way of what you're typing, but it's odd.

And you're alone in this room. It is a dark room, and lights could flicker, you could feel presences around you. Wow. It's very spooky. Yeah, it sounds spooky. Is how, like, did you overall enjoy the experience?

I did, yeah. It was a short experience, but I guess there's several different endings you could get, good ones and bad ones depending on your performance. Wow. Do you know what ending you got, like if you got a good ending or a bad ending? I got a bad ending. Oh, no. Oh, boy.

And I'm not exactly sure what caused that is probably typos and, stuff like that. You get, like, cursed over time. I'm not really sure what you do that, like, causes you to get cursed and stuff, but... What is everyone's... When there are multiple endings, and I guess for me, part of it is, like,

how media is this experience? How much am I going to commit to? But I don't look at how to get, like, what the endings are in advance. But once I get the ending, if I find out there are multiple endings, I want to read about how it all works. Like, like, systemically.

Like, when that happened in dispatch, I was like, and I got, I got a good ending in dispatch, but I just wanted to see all the other possibilities in the flow chart, you know, and how you actually got the bad ending. I like, if I'm playing a game and the ending I feel is deserved for the way that I played it, then I'm fine with the ending. For example, when I was dressed as the dung eater and got the worst ending in Eldon Ring, I was like, that's fine. That tracks. That's what I deserve for what I've done, even though at no point did I comprehend what choices I was. was making. I was just making choices. But I was like, yeah, no, it's okay that I got a bad ending.

Whereas if I get like a bad ending in like warrior world or something, I'm a little bit like, well, come on. Yeah. Yeah. You know? I remember playing when we did cyberpunk and I beat that and I got like a bad ending. I was like, I didn't do all this to fuck up like this at the end here. Like I kind of I want a good ending. I don't even get to do like the, I don't think even in the bad ending, you get to do like the Arasaka, like, shootout or anything.

Whoa. But so, like, I was like, I have to like see this. I want to see what actually happens in this thing. Does that mean you killed yourself on the roof? Yeah, yeah, you'd like jump off the roof. Oh my God. What the Christ. But I was like, I, that's not how this game can end to me.

Yeah. But in dispatch, I got a bad ending. It was just like, actually really upset, but I want to, like, I know that that's the game that I'll return to and replay again, because I just, I loved it so much. I've really good ending really satisfying, and, uh, or one of the good endings that, that, that, that is possible, the one that I got. I, like, yeah, it's, it's interesting when you, you don't want to feel punished. And also, like, you don't want to feel like, like, wait, that's not what I wanted to happen. Like,

you kind of want to feel like there's intent behind it, because I definitely had that with the first time I played Mass Effect. Yeah. There's a, there's a, there's a, like, a, a, like, I was trying to do the, there's like Paragon or Renegade are you going to be basically like light side or dark side. And I thought, I was trying to go full Paragon. I was trying to be like a, like a virtuous character. And I thought I was making that choice when there's like a critical choice in the end game. But I guess I just misread the prompt or something like that.

And that was one where I just saved scumbed it because I was like, wait, I don't want the, I didn't suddenly flip to the other faction here. Like I don't want to, I don't want this to be my legacy. Same thing happened with me in Mass Effect. I was like I I definitely chose the wrong answer but I mean it's everyone's point like I I feel like I will go through a game and try to answer as honestly as I can with like if we would dialogue trees especially with you know dispatch and and mass effect and all of those and if I get a if I get a bad ending I'm a bad person if I get a good ending I'm a good I'm a good

So when you play, you're playing, you're answering honestly as yourself. Yes. Okay. Do you play the same way, Nick? It's been, sometimes I role play as a character. I mean, like, I can't, in all honesty, say that each of my disco-alicium play-thrus were as myself, because that would make me a psychopath. But like, like, that's a game where I just like making the choices and the writing is strong

enough and the conclusions wherever you end up are like interesting enough, where I don't feel like I've I've done any, I've missed out on any content, you know what I mean? That'd be so, I would, I should do a disco elysium run where I play as myself and just have the most boring, the most normal guy kind of run. Yeah. You will get a, like a, the thing that will pop up is the possibility of you being a boring cop that will happen if you're just making really conventional safe choices. Boring cop.

Yeah, boring cop. Boring cop. Hey, you know what? Honestly, maybe the best kind. Yeah. I would love it. Like, I would love a boring guy. Yeah, yeah. The only non-bastard kind.

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I mean, just universal acclaim. I'm curious, because, Garrick, part of why we want to talk about this with you is that you are not just a person who likes racing games. you're someone who actually like, like messes with racing in real life. Yeah. Yeah, it's the best. I love it. I'm an idiot. What is your, because I know there's a track you go to.

I know, like, like, can you talk through what type of racing you do and like what a typical experience is when you go to the course? Okay. So I will do, I'll do gas carts, which is 125cc, KA 100 carts, which is very, very, fun and a cheap way to go actually like wheel to wheel racing. And it, I mean, you're sitting on the floor and these things will probably go up to like 60 to 70 miles an hour. And so you that while sitting on the, so close to the ground is aggressive. It feels very fast. I know it doesn't sound fast because you go faster than that in your car.

But when you're, you know, in a car. You shouldn't. You shouldn't. You shouldn't. But in a, and then also I. will do time attack in a Honda that I've been building since like 2020

and that is you are it's about like 25 is people on the track at once. Oh wow. You guys are all trying to do the quickest time around the track. So it is not for a position

like wheel to wheel or like carting. So you know whoever finishes first is first but in this it is whoever has the quickest time is first. And that is the safer way to drive regular cars on a track and race and compete in some way. So are the starts staggered? Like, how does that work exactly if you're on the court?

Or is everyone going individually? The starts are staggered. Okay, got it. On time and sex. So you'll have different heats and different groups. I'm getting lost on the verbiage. But, yeah, so they will schedule you kind of by. your time, or grid you by your time.

So we'll do like a pre-grid every so often. It's like one of the tracks that I'll go to is like Button Willow, which is in it's in the desert, it doesn't matter. Yeah. No, there is like a, like I know there's a button willow in California. It's a positively quaint.

Yeah, it's, uh, maybe. You're picturing like a mouse that lives in a big mushroom. That's the thing. It sounds like like a like a Hobbit Village or something like that. Yeah. I didn't know it's not exactly. It's so funny. I just got a text for some of the other kids that drive with me. But it's just like I stayed in the motel 6 close to Button Willow once, and I never will again.

That's the vibe of that area. I mean, it's just far out and it's, you know, away from things and it's not fun. It's hot. People might try to steal stuff from you or get you in a meth. Anyway. they will do a pre-grade get you into math into math

like hey man you're considered trying some math yeah you might you might love it everybody that tries it loves it

yeah yeah oh my god anyway you want to buy some teeth no I got some teeth I have extra

definitely we'll try to do it um sorry yeah so you'll pre-grade based on your time so it'll be like

25 cars lined up and it's just like okay so you in button willow around this uh track you're getting like a uh you know one uh minute 55 so you're at the you're at the front you go for you go first uh in like a line um you're doing a 155.8 you're a little bit behind that person you're doing a 206 you're all the way at the back and so you guys all go out at once but But that person that is doing like the 155 will eventually catch a person at the back. But by that time, they will already have set enough time, set a lap that is quick or something like that. And they won't get stuck in traffic. Got it.

Yeah. What was your entry point for this? I mean, like, were video games at all a gateway towards you doing IRL racing? Yeah. I think like, so I'm just being in the car since I was like small, like really small. And the closest that you can get to anything on a track is, like, playing Forza or Grand Turismo or any of those types of games, like, you know, Need for Speed Underground 2 was like by the huge one, you know, back in the day.

So that is probably the closest entry point. And then you start driving and you're like, okay, well, you know, I would like to get a car that can go quick. That would be nice. and then I wound up getting like a salvage title Sion FRS and doing that and driving around like canyons with friends which is very illegal and very stupid

so so dumb that is one of this the worst things that you do is it's terrifying but eventually as like a you know as a 23, 24 year old I'm like okay well maybe I should try to do this in a safer way and you get introduced to track stuff. I feel like

it was other friends that I would go doing canyons with and then you would find this one kid that is just like super super super fast and super super good at it and you're like I can't even keep up with this person that's nuts. How did you get so good? He's like, oh I go to the track all the time

because you can actually like see the limit of a car. Right. In that but yeah. Wow. So okay so Do you wear a helmet when you're driving? All the time. And do you have crisscross belts? Yeah.

And a roll cage? Yeah. Does your car, is it lowered? Yes. How wide are your tires? I run 255 square. So 255 width, I don't know what that is even in. God damn.

But yeah, all the way around. Sometimes you'll have staggered where it's just like, oh, I have a 245 width in the front and 255 in the rear. Some cars do. What is your? suspension. It is a shaft works coilover system. What are your

rims? Um, apex. Uh, that they are 17 by 9 and a half square. These things got cup holders in them or what? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a part of the car I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm curious, because like you'll watch like F1 and people, they're hydrating, but I imagine like, are you carrying water with you or is it just not worth the way? You are. Okay.

I mean, I'm so like, so like, the desert. Yeah, the sessions are about like 20 minutes. So as soon is you get off, that's one of of the, like, terrifying things. You get off the track and you don't realize how much water you've lost when you get out and you're like, oh, wow, I'm a little lightheaded. This is not,

this is a lot. I don't love this. And you have to drink a chitone of water or something like that. It is, it is like exertion, because that was the thing. And like, my dumb ass doesn't know, you know, motor sports at all. But, like, I, just watching the F1 movie, I was like, oh, these guys are doing so much cardio. Yeah. And then I know

talking to you about it is just like, oh yeah, it's like, it's like physically exhausting. Yeah. And especially at that, those elite levels when races or whatever, you know, like much longer than 20 minutes. My God. So like a lot of those F1 drivers start off in go carts because of the, how the physical nature of go carts, when you build that up from a child or from a child's age, you get to like the level where the G forces are more aggressive.

and all of that stuff, and your reaction time needs to be quicker and all of that. You build up those muscles from a young age and you move into F1 and it's like, yeah, that makes sense. Wow. It's very exhausting. You showed us some video at the office of, it was like a first person view of, I believe, an F1 driver, I believe like a teenage F1 driver. And you were showing this to me and our coworker, Jacks, and I had the same. reaction they did, which was like, whoa, this looks like a video game, which is such like an inversion of like, no, the game is a simulation of this.

That's my grammar for observing this, you know? But it was like, like, I was just could not believe the sensation of speed. Yeah, it's insane. Yeah. When you did a, when you did your first track, were you nervous and scared or were you like pumped an ant? No, I was nervous and terrified because it, I would love. liking it the most to the first time you've ever driven on a freeway and you're like okay well this is

like an aggressive version of a freeway because you're you're out there with cars that need to get past you and they will pass you because there are groups where you have open passing which is like you can just go pass and then there are groups where you have to do a point by they call it where you have to like you know either signal or something like that that you can you know go around me And when you go into like open passing and when you start off in that, it is, yeah, it is, it is very much like a freeway and you're very terrified most of the time. And you're like, okay, well, I just don't want to hit anybody or mess anybody up. And then eventually you just turned into a fish going into a stream. Yeah.

I had two call to adventure moments, uh, with my Dotson. Yes. Um, where one where I was invited to bring it to a track. Yeah. And another one I was. invited to a classic car rally. And I refused the call on both of them because I was too fucking scared

to do it. Like I was like, this is, I can see myself being happy on the other side of this gate, but I am too scared to enter the gate. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah. Like I was like, this is beyond my ability. It's going to take time and dedication.

How much of your life is car and how much is everything else? 90% is No, no, you know what I mean? Like, for me, I was like, okay, this would have to become, I'd have to basically lock in and do this as a second job in order to not be scared of what's on the other side of this gate.

Do you think that you spend a job's worth of time doing car? What? It's funny. Short-hand car is job. I don't know. I don't think. so um no not not at all because there i mean there are days where you know i'm trying to put a part on the car and it you know something that should take an hour takes seven because you're like

ah this is this is actually really frustrating um i i i haven't eaten all day or something like that and also when you do do a track day that is from eight to five but other than that like it's far as like getting ready for it or anything or like doing driving in a simulator or something like that or you can do that for a job's worth of time but I don't think it is right okay yeah yeah do you build PCs I've built one oh wow yeah because it feels like what you're talking about because I know there's there's there's so much you know work involved in and and the when you're maintaining your own vehicle and upgrading your own vehicle but like it seems like a similar sort of thing. Yeah. Just get it going in there, picking all the components and, you know, just like part of the fun is assembling it, but also like troubleshooting as well as like part of the joy. If you had unlimited budget for a street legal car of any era, what street legal car would you want?

996 G3 Porsche probably, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Maybe No, because I feel like if you did like a Gt3 RS would be a lot It would just be like Oh, this is just a street legal Race car But I think that going down to like a GT3 level What am I talking about?

That car would be great All right Yeah Next time we're at the studio Ethan pulls one of those into the lot It's like what the fuck This is my normal car Yeah, yeah. Do you like driving it?

And he just goes, sometimes. I was always, like, afraid to drive. Like, when I was a kid, like, I didn't start, I didn't get my license until I was 19. I was, like, just legitimately, like, afraid of it. And I had friends that drove and, like, just didn't really go anywhere.

But, like, I've always been interested in cars. Like, I always, I, I, not that I know a lot about them, but I always, like, I like, looking at him. I, like, sort of, like, I have favorites that I see around like anytime I see like a nice bronco like to this day I'm always just like taking photos and it's like something else send to Zig a lot yeah yeah yeah like zyg like broncos too yeah and we're always just like sharing bronco pictures with each other should we get this and like honestly like I've like been looking at someone like should I like when can I get a bronco when will I need a bronco I'll have no

need for a second car I drive a Hyundai um and I and I and I love it but there was a time where I had a a Toyota Camry and there was something wrong with the engine the engine needed this like new you needed a valve cover gasket which is a rubber band that goes inside the engine folks and the mechanics wanted to charge like hundreds of dollars to do this

but the rubber band cost $25 and so I just didn't have money to like pay somebody to do this and my mom is sort of this like we can kind of just do anything if we're just like look at YouTube

so we watched a YouTube video and then like we're like I think it's like not that crazy we're like it's like it sounds crazy to take apart the engine of a car because it is um but like the the the YouTube video sort of like like I think vastly undersold how complicated it was like it was like it was it was the same thing of like you thought it we thought it would take like an hour uh I think if you asked her we would both say this was the maddest we've ever been at each other and anybody

we were so mad we were like covered in oil and we were like meticulously like taking photos and like cataloging like the different like you know different parts of the engine so we had sure that we didn't like put anything back wrong or like lose a piece and by the end of it when we done

we finished in the car started we both started crying just like thank God we didn't just destroy this car in order to save like $400 or something. It's, people use this a lot in games in general, but it is the dark souls of Legos. Like the dark souls of. Yeah. It's the most difficult, like the most difficult version of that thing. It's frustrating.

But the amount of catharsis that you get when you, when it actually works and it's, done and then also like if that were to happen again you're like oh i i think i could do this myself yeah there's also a frustrating thing that happens with because we i worked on my dots in for a long i had it for a decade and there was a wall where it was basically like why does this keep happening with this car and the answer was it was poorly designed and they changed it in the next model and you're like wait, that's the answer? Yeah. It's like, how do I fix that?

And it's like, well, you could put the parts from the next version into your car, but it will take a full modification of the entire engine in order to fix this one problem that they didn't realize they had in that year of the car. And it's so devastating when that happens. Because you're like, there's no amount of thing I can do. I can only bring it up to like a 70%. And that's this car's A plus. Yeah, right.

What I mean? Like that's like the ceiling of success will be 70%. And other people, when you bring it to a Dotson show, will be like, hey, that looks really nice. It looks like you handled the fuel injector problem pretty well. But everybody knows what they're saying is good luck. God. There's a type of engine, a rotary engine that is a complete redesign of, you know, the engine, you know, the six cylinder situation that we have.

You're talking about the one that rotates this way and has the, the, yeah, pistons on the outs, like the spokes of a wheel. Yes, yeah, yeah. And they sound so incredible. It is one of the greatest noises of like if you watch any old F1 stuff, they weren't using rotary engines, but it is that same high-pitched squeal that'll come out of the car. And there's a very, you know, popular, probably popular by the Fast and Furious, definitely popularized by Fast and Furious. But Dominic Toreto's first red car was an RX-7. and those cars skyrocketed in value, but the engine that sounds so perfect and beautiful sucks.

It is absolute dog shit. There's this thing that will just wear on it. That is just the seals or something or something like it, but they will. Probably using all that gnaz, probably not too good for it. Yeah, it can't be good, man. They probably just blows it up every time. I wouldn't recommend driving it down a skyscraper in Dubai.

Hey man, you've got to get that money. God, but it's just, it's really unfortunate that the main problem with the car is that it is just made wrong. Yeah. It's made bad. There would be, the recurring problem on the 280 that I had was that the fuel injector lines were laid over the top of the engine block. And they were only sealed with a. essentially, I don't even know what the name of the part is. It's like a little metal circle with a screw on it.

And you tighten the screw and it tightens the hose around where the injector was. And it was just loose over the top of the engine. And sometimes I would start the car and it would stink immediately of gasoline. And I'd turn off the car and I'd open up the hood. And it would be that one of those seals had just come loose. And so you just had to drive around with a screwdriver and tighten those seals. One time my dad and I were working on the car and he did, he was like, okay, started up because we were adding a fan because also it was it was vapor locking from the way the lines went into the engine block. And so on the next car, they built a fan to cool that part of the lines, the fuel injector line.

and so we took that part off of the next version and built it into the current version with like a manual switch inside the car. But we did all that and I started the car and gasoline sprayed up onto the windshield of the car and my dad and I both screamed like women.

He was like, oh, fuck! He's like, okay, okay, stop. Just stop. Just stop. And all of the barriers were always like, this car is just not well made. It's not good. It's bad.

But we should talk about, we should, they do. If I'd been able to afford it, I would have gotten a 240 instead of a 280. But they also didn't have air conditioning. And in Los Angeles, you can't drive a car without fucking air conditioning. Yeah. And honestly, most of the world now. Yeah. Yeah.

It's heating up, baby. So the way that I was able to play Forza is that I don't have an Xbox and I don't have a PC. But you guys were like, you can do Xbox, you can do an Xbox game pass. It's a streaming game. And then you can play it on your Applevision Pro.

And I was like, no, there's no fucking way I can do it. 20 minutes later, I had a G-Force now subscription and an Xbox game pass and an IMAX sized virtual screen and I was playing Forza in my Applevision Pro and it was just a tectonic experience. It was so fucking cool. I immediately turned the radio,

like I went into the options and turned the music off in the game. So I just hear engine sounds and wind or whatever. And the fucking terrible dialogue of somebody else being like, all right, we should probably get down to the race and I'm like shut up stop stop and I

drove you know the opening sequence and then you go to your first race or you can go wherever the fuck you want in the game and I slowed down in Applevision to like 10 miles per hour and I was driving at walking speed down

the roads of Tokyo and I had to take off the Apple Vision because I thought I was going to start sobbing. Yeah yeah I'm sad when I play this game. I'm deeply, deeply sad. It's a, it's interesting because I talked about my experience with this game, lining up with me, picking up my bike from the bike shop and riding, you know, about four miles home.

And just having like the most tangible, like, like visceral experience with how shitty. our roads are. Like just, just like, just like, just like, just like, just like, just like, just like, just like, just like, just like pedal is just over some sort of like pothole or or divot or just like crack. It's just everything so poorly maintained. Um, and, uh, this is in a city with a, with a decent tax base. And then contrasted with this is just, you're evoking all your memories, at least all,

all our memories, I feel like of, of, of having spent some time in Tokyo. Because the game is set in a, like, like, like a version of Tokyo. like a, you know, fictionalized, but it's attempting to represent, to largely recreate, you know, the map of Tokyo. There is a Shibuya Scramble. Like, it's almost like the way that Grand Theft Auto has, oh, this is Silver Lake. This is Beverly Hills. It's not map accurate, but it's like, I know where I am and I kind of know how to get to the place that I want to be. Right.

I also think it looks great. I mean, I'm playing on PC. I was playing on Game Pass. I'm curious what the performance was like if you're, you know, you know, you're streaming it off the cloud. It was staggering. I couldn't believe how good it was. It was responsive?

4K resolution, 120 frames per second. And I know that there was lag, but because it was my only available way to play it, I couldn't interpret what the lag was. Like it just felt responsive and tight and fast. Wow. I was shocked. and how good it played. Wow.

On my, on my, my gaming rig, it does, I was, I will say the lighting is, is very present. I think it's a great looking game. And I mean, that's the thing about racing games. We, you look at like, like, Grand Turismo, even from like PlayStation 1 or PlayStation 2, it's like, it's almost like by virtue of not having to render, like, physical bodies, but just being able to render vehicles and, and environments. It's like almost like graphically a generation ahead of other genres. It's, you know, it's just, it looks so much closer to photorealism, not that photo realism is the only end with the art direction of video game, but it looks so much closer to that than what you get with any game that's trying to have any sort of human characters. Yeah, definitely. There will be clips that I've seen on Instagram or something like that of just like comparing real life to like even Horizon 6 where you're like, oh my.

wait, which one, if you were to take this away, if you were to take away the caption of real life, uh, forza six, you'd be like, I don't, oh, all right.

I, am I dumb? I, I've seen clips of this one where I, I thought it was a bit. Oh. I thought, oh,

that's somebody who went to the real intersection and is just like, putting the camera out and being like, this is Forza. And I'd be like, aha, that's a funny thing to do. And then you'd be like, no,

that's the, that's the, game that looks like that. I had the same experience. I couldn't tell which was which. I thought the one with the Gundam running around was real. Matt, are you okay? Yeah, what's going on, buddy?

I'm just a big, dumb idiot. I thought the Gundam running around was real. But Matt's referencing is that one of the tracks that you can race in Forza has a giant mech running with you and tearing up the landscape as you like, leap over, you know. A sort of legally distinct Gundam. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Hello, I'm Gundam! I also think it's so funny to think about like what the development room is like at like Ford to Horizon studio or like at this studio where it's just like, all right, we're putting out the first one. We're going to do Japan, right? He's like, bitch, no. You got out of your fucking mind? And he's like, okay, well, what about the second?

No, no. And then you finally, finally get to the sixth one. He's like, now we do, now we do Japan. They've been edging us for like a long time. Yeah, right. Whereas I want this to be in Japan. Can you put it in the automotive center of the world? And they consistently gave you Australia.

No, I want the place. And then they finally did it. It's sick. It does. I mean, like, I did read that fan demand is, is what induced them to finally just go for it. But I think it's also just such a challenge because it's such a, like, an intensely detailed urban landscape. But it's also got, like, you know, more rural areas.

It's, it's the terrain of, of Tokyo is really varied. There's a lot going on. The thing that is really striking to me about this game and in other, like, sort of, like, AAA racing games is that, like, sometimes when a game has drive, driving, it's a game that has driving in it. It's not necessarily like, you know, it's not a driving game. So the feeling of driving around, say, in like the, uh, the Batmobile and the Arkham games or something. Like those typically feel pretty like okay. Um, but like if, if a car feels bad when you're driving it, like it's like not fun, right? Like it does, or if there's no like friction or there's

no like, uh, it just doesn't feel like you don't feel the weight of the car. It doesn't feel good. The cars in this game feel so fucking good to drive. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, so awesome and fun. And then just like even the, the physics of the game, I find to be very funny because it's like an arcade eraser or whatever, but it has like, you know, real world physics.

So like you'll drive through stuff and things just be flying around. You'll get like real dense and real damage, like to your car. But I went over this like, this part of a track that is designed to be a jump, but I came at the jump, like sort of like too fast. And my car basically started immediately

flipping mid-air. Because also I was driving a basically in any game like this, the second I can unlock an I-Mitsbishi Evo-6, I get it. And my car just immediately started flipping. And then so the animation of,

the idea that you're racing and that your car starts flipping down this mountain, it's really funny to me. But like you can rewind to the race, luckily. And so I just had to rewind further back and sort of take that jump more conservatively, I guess. But yeah, like I have an affinity for the Lancers in particular, the Evo 6 because my mom

worked at Mitsubishi for a time. And so we begged, like, and this was when Too Fast, Two Fears came out. I think Brian drives an eclipse in Too Fast, Two Fears. And so we, like, we had begged her. We were like, please, please. Like, they let her release a car. We were like, please rent it. Like, Lisa and Eclipse, we want it so bad.

And it was the least practical car for our family of four. But she did do it. And then we also tricked her into, we also made her get a, she was also young. So she was like, yeah, I'll drive a cool, like, hot shit car. She drove an Evo 8 for a while and then was like, I can't do this anymore. And then we were driving a Mitsubishi Montero sport, which was their Jeep equivalent. Wow. Which is also pretty sick.

but being dropped off in an Evo 8 Pure cinema It was so sick Everybody wanted to come see it It was awesome It was so cool I mean I still think that your mom I'm like where did she take

Did she sell the Evo? She leased it from work It was like a company car situation So we had like a new Like You know off the lot Mitsubishi every like six months basically For like a couple years

Yeah, it was really, really cool. Yeah, it was truly a very funny issue. Every time we went to the grocery store, the trunks in those things did not fit fucking anything. And we were like three teenage boys and like we were just eating a lot. So like there would be bags of groceries throughout the entire car on the way home. That was just like we could not fit everything in the trunk. I love it. It was ridiculous.

But yeah, it was those cars. But yeah, any chance I get to unlock in Evo 6, I go straight forward, even though it's not technically like, it's not like the best car in the game. It's like a B rating, but I, I just love, I have such a love for those cars. So I, every time I can unlock a dots and I unlock it right away. It's also my main car in Fortnite. Uh, is, uh, 240. Uh, is your car that you drive in real life, the car you unlock in a game? I will, yes. Yeah, I will always go for an AP one or AP2 S2, immediately because it I don't like in

Gran Turismo that's what I will I'll go for um it is like ass to drive it is it really does suck because like Grandseree like especially the new one it is

closer to a sim than arcade but it's just it's not to spec I feel like it's not as similar to like actually like driving the car in real life but it god it it it just brings your life so much joy and your at home rig is the full like steering wheel pedals sit down in a like chassis and a VR helmet yeah yeah it's fucking so cool man it's so fucking cool oh my it's it's the

it's oh my god it's so fucking cool God. It was one of those purchases where I was like, this is this is too much. This is OD. Yeah. I can't do this. And then you do it one time and you're like, I don't think I'll ever go to work again. I think this is my life. This is my life now. This is the best shit ever. Because you're in the, and even just recently

I added a haptic. So like there's this, you know, like there's a system that you can like put and attach to your seat um and attach to a computer and it will give you the haptic feedback in your back and your butt that the car is feeling so like when you're going over curbs and all that stuff you're like oh wow it's actually you know it's kind of vibrating a little bit oh or i'm losing traction and i can feel it in the the seat of my pants fucking shit yeah like that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's new wave that's that's what it is um That's the thing that's missing from this game is that I'm not scared playing. Yeah, I think that's what it is.

I'm like, wait, I'm not sweating right now. Are you kidding me? I need to sweat while I play this game. There's like an optional attachment that's just like a metal rod about the size of your torso and a hydraulic. And it's just you get it and you know if you ever crash, it will slam it to you. But you just keep it at the first. front of the car. It's the final destination mod.

The final destination mod. Walk me through how you get to, like, you're, you know, having this sim rig that's, like, so comprehensive. Like, do you just, you start with a wheel, I assume, and then you just keep adding components? Yeah. I started with the wheel, and the wheel attached to a table. And I was like, okay, this is cool.

And then you get the table and you get the wheel stand. and pedal stand. So it's kind of like a table, like your laptop table here next to us, but it has an attachment at the bottom to where you can attach a set of pedals to it. And you're like, okay, this is great. But I am not in the seating position

that I would like for a car. And it's like, all right, well, let's get rid of a stand. I'm a big boy now. Let me get like an actual cockpit where I can like attach a seat to and be in the correct seating position to actually emulate what it would be like in the car itself. There's one that they sell that puts you in the GT car position

and the F1 car position. So you can like switch between the two. Like F1 car position you're like laying down a little bit more and then GT car you're sitting up more traditional. And then that's when VR got like good enough to where you're like, okay, well, let me just see what this is like. Let me see what it's about. And Grandson Riesmo was the first one that I played VR in. And you put it on and you're like, okay, well, this is going to be like a whatever experience.

And then you're like, oh, fuck, I'm in the car. I'm literally inside of this vehicle. there is enough of a one-to-one to where when you take the VR off and you jump into a car to like drive to the store or something like that, you're like, I need to slow down a little bit because this is too immersive. What was surprising, because I've done Grand Theresa's Mn-VR

was that I would feel, your brain would feel the heat of the sun on your cheeks even though it's not there. And it made me, like, I got so alarmed. It's like, it's also like, I was playing at night, and it would be like the middle of the day in a race. And like you'd feel that sunlight on your face because your brain is like, you're a dog in a car.

Like, it's confused. And I would take off the helmet and I'd be like, oh, oh, my God. Oh, no. No, no, no. Oh, my God, no. You'd just be like, you'd be so, like, disoriented in revert. Because when you put it on, you're not disoriented. At all.

You are completely 100% in the car, and you're just like, oh, this is a, I'm in a car now. And then if you have any moment of, like, dissociation, you're like, I'm not in a car. And then you're confused. And then you take it off and your living room is horror. When you meet, I'm not in Japan right now. It's so fucking weird. Oh, my God. You mentioned Grand Chorismo and obviously this game invites comparisons, Forza, to Grand Chorizmo.

I mean, like, I think that's your main series, right? You're more coming from that side. Yeah, Grant Turismo is my main series. I have recently jumped onto La Maw Ultimate. That is my main one now where that one is SIM proper, where you are, you know, you have to set up the car. It is only doing endurance races. So like it's the GT3 cars, the LMP to prototype cars, and then the hyper cars. And so those are, those, that game will allow you to have an indebtable.

endurance race that is literally 24 hours. And you can like share the load within. Oh my God. I wouldn't I wouldn't do that. That is nuts. Yeah, they have like, you know, short races that are like 20 minutes. But those are ones where you have to like keep track of your tire pressures and the the temperature and all of that stuff. And like, you know, plan your fuel load and it's a lot.

But it's super, super fun when you get into it. Right. Yeah. What about Forza 6, like, stands out to you as like, this is like a, you know, because like it's such a highly rated racing game. What stands out to you as like this is like one of the best there is? It's, I mean, because when you jump from it, like, Sim that is fun but difficult and jump into Forza Horizon is just like, okay, this is the more arcadey, like vibe

that kind of like what you were explaining was just like the cars just kind of feel good and sometimes you just want to have that like brain itchy feeling of like oh no I'm I'm really good at like driving I can I can definitely do this on like a controller if I if I have to um that so that combined with the environment and how well that they can like monitor all of that and render all that stuff it that's fun to me and also modifying the car I feel like is also top, top fucking deer. When you're playing forza, are you playing in the rig?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I would be so scared doing the jump that I did where my car flew over. But they don't have, it doesn't have VR. So you are just, like Heather was saying, you just have the screen. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. But if it's coming to PlayStation, oh my God. Could we dream? Fucking.

Because then I'll just like drive to Shibuya Scramble and just sit. Yeah. Get honked at. Yeah. Just hit the hood of your car. So I'm like, you know, I'm the most car averse of the, of the get played hosts. I don't like to drive. It makes me very anxious.

I drive by necessity. And usually in video games, I minimize like the driving. Like we talked about cyberpunk earlier and I'm just like, like, like if I can get through, I'm not doing any driving missions. if they're optional. I end up using the motorcycle because it's just easier to handle in that game than any of the cars.

I know that games that has a famously a wonky physics engine for the vehicles, but like... You mean most cars don't fall from the sky apropos of nothing? Right, yeah. Most roads aren't covered with black eyes. But I did enjoy...

I will say that like, like, I like the more arcade something. It comes back to what you're saying about rematch versus FIFA. It's like, oh, okay, this I can appreciate. Because when I try, anytime I've tried like a sim racing game, I'm just like, I don't know how to drive. I just like, I don't know how to do that. I like, I can't, like, I can't get around the, like, yeah, it's just like, I don't know how to do this.

And it, you know, gives me new admiration for people who do that professionally, but or or even at a high amateur level. And but a game like this is just meant to be accessible. And it's meant to. And I think also going back to what Heather said and the thing that kind of plunged her into despair is just like it's so aesthetically pleasing. And you're just in such an awesome environment that just kind of like taking that in is, I don't know.

It's kind of just part of the vibes of it, you know? Yeah, it's all vibes. Yeah. Like let me buy this, you know, pink celica. Like, oh, why not? I want to just, you know, yeat it down the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I want to run this Nissan skyline straight into this wall.

Yeah. Oh, God. I feel like an idiot not mentioning burnout three. Oh, yeah. So good. Force of Horizon 6 is the same thing that the burnout series kind of does in driving dynamics. Not so much like crashing into people, but more so like, oh, this car I know is unwieldly to drive. Yeah. But for whatever reason, you guys have toned it down so much that I feel incredible or like,

I feel like a superhero being able to get hop into it and drive it. What is your like, if you're talking about, you know, your history of playing racing games, driving games, like what are, what is maybe your like your all-time favorite? Oh, my God. Or something that's like up there for you. Yeah, probably Neverspeed Underground too. I think that that would be like the top tier because that's like, you know, Fast and Furious, it just come out and you're like,

oh, wow, you could actually put rims on a underglow in a car? Oh, hell yeah. And then you can do that in the game and all of the streets are way. Hell yeah. I do remember liking the Need for Speed franchise back of the day. Again, as someone who doesn't like really play driving games, but just was like, was like, oh, this is really fun and arcadey and like, I just was, and also there was a Deep for Speed Hot Pursuit, right?

that we kind of had the gimmick of like it was like police chases which was kind of fun yeah um and i i just like to simulate being on the other side of the law but it's uh it's just kind of i think that's the that's what i need is i need some sort of gimmick beyond just like a good representation of driving you know what i mean like like and i wonder why the need for speed franchise has laid dormant for so long. Like, why haven't they figured out a way to keep it going? I think they were, like, doing something with NFTs, too, at one point. I think it's just, like, one of these classic, like, mismanagement of, like, the brand, you know.

I just landed on a comparison that I'll share. Okay. The driving in Forza feels as good as the skateboarding does in Tony Hawk's Pro Skate. Yes. Wow. Like, it's, like, that dialed in where it's, like, it's obviously not real, it's not true. But it's like other skateboarding games don't feel like Tony Hawk. Like they don't,

and they don't get it right, and it feels bad. And the bad Tony Hawk games don't feel like that either. But the ones that have recently been re-released and remade, they like figured out what it was supposed to feel like and how it works. That's how good the driving is. It's, and, you know,

again, to just talk more about the arcade sim comparison, I mean, I have never, I have not played session, but that's the one I'm familiar with it. And it was like just like the hardcore skateboard. boarding sim that people say is just like the the learning curve is so steep for that game and

I don't know I mean like you know again a goofball like me that's not necessarily what I'm looking for with that type of experience but like I can get on Tony Hawk and like mess around with it and just have a good time yeah you're a bit of a goofball Matt you're wearing that little spinny cap yeah I guess so little propeller at the time you got that big I know. Big lollipop. I can't finish that thing. It's too, it's unwieldy.

The big lollipop, good idea in theory, right? But never in practice? Never finished. You never like, oh, great. I took this whole thing down. Oh my god. My teeth are gone. I feel so sick.

I feel sick. I'm tired of licking. Hey, have you guys heard of hard driving? Hard driving? No. So there's like the very, I think it was maybe one of the very first polygonal driving games, like super, super old. And it was disgusting to play.

It was awful experience. But at the time, you looked at the graphics and you were like, oh my God, it's 3D. You know, like the difference between like pole position or an Atari game and hard driving when the road could curve. Did you pull up a photo of it? Yeah, I'm trying to find some good screenshots of it. It looks worse than the original Star Fox in terms of like fidelity and representation of a vehicle. It also had, I think, a loop-de-loop.

Maybe he gives an idea. That's the loop-de-loop right there. It's really inventory, but also this game came out in 1989. Yeah, 1989. Pretty impressive. Fun for archival purposes. If you hit the loop going too slow, your car just fall off the loop. loop.

Like, you go like halfway up and there's like crash upside down. That's perfect. I remember like when going through all these, these old like files finding hard driving, like, when you download like an entire archive of games. Yeah. And playing it. And I was like, this is such dog shit. But also it's so cool that it existed.

I definitely have actual memories of virtual racing. Sure. Oh, yeah. And how smooth and good that felt at the time and how like serially advanced it felt too. Because you look at it in comparison to the other racing games around. And it was like, oh, they made it real. Even though it looks like a flat shaded cartoon. At the time you were like, holy shit, it looks real.

I'm not sure we can all see this, but I have some footage of hard driving right here just so we can see it in motion. And you know, so the frame rate is not like what we're maybe going 10 FPS here. You know, it's pretty, it's got a lot of jutter. But it's also just like, yeah, for its era. The fact that they pulled this off. Yeah. My hat's off to them. Yeah, this is a game that came out during the NES era, right?

Wow. And look, see, you go under a bridge and it looks like a real bridge, which at the time nobody could do. and I had imagined that they finished making this game and they were like, what do we call this? And somebody else was like, well, it's impossible to play. So what if we call it a hard drive? The thing that I'm finding really great about Forza, maybe to wrap it up, is that I don't have an urge to complete it, right?

Because it doesn't feel like, I mean, I'm sure it has like an end, an ending of some kind like you know you can make your way through the ranks and be the best driver in Japan but it's a fun enough game to like just like pick up when I have a

like the itch to do a little driving and I think that's like I'll be playing it probably through the rest of the year probably it does make me as someone who loves the choochoo and it does be like I've never really gotten to train sims and I bet if I did it it would just take over my

life, but maybe I should just get a head start on it before I'm a very old man, because that feels like a good way to pass my, you know, my golden years. Yeah, if you want to lock into like sort of an end game for Nick Weiger, I would recommend a train simulator and Kingdom Come Deliverance too and just like, you'll be done. You can clock out. And you lose yourself. Gary, any final thoughts on the Forsa franchise and or racing games in general? Oh, everybody should get into it. Everybody just get in there, get in the car, man. Just fucking drive, bro.

Everyone can drive, brother. Why is he Beetlejuice? It just turned into a mushroom person. Should we do a segment? Oh, let's do a segment. Segment. It's time for H-game or G-game.

This is a returning segment where I'll read the title of a game from the Steam store, you tell me if it's a wholesome G-rated game for all ages, or an obscene H-game for gamer perverts. Everyone can guess, so you can answer. Your answers will be G-game if you think it's G-rated,

or H-game if you think it's a hentai game. Got it. Ranch, can you keep score? And these are all in your Steam library? Yeah, these are all things I just pulled from my most played. Ethan, you want to play? Sure. All right, great. Ethan can play as well.

So everyone, I'll say, it would have done anything to hear, not really. Not really. It exposes a lot. So I'll just read the title and then we can just go around and everyone guess, everyone can guess H-Gamer G-game. First up, adventurer Leena. Adventure Liana. So are we, everyone can guess. We all can guess.

Everyone puts a guess in. H-game. Says Heather I'm gonna say G game Definitely H game I'm gonna also say H game I'll read the description Is ranch playing

Do you want to play ranch? I'll just be scorekeeper Okay gay Leena A first-rate female adventurer And her boyfriend Have finally opened their own shop In the Labyrinth City

Leena takes on the challenge Of delving deep into the labyrinth But both inside and outside the maze Filthy men are lusting after her body This is an H game. Okay, okay. I need to establish a baseline. Everyone gets a point except for bad.

Okay. All right, next up, the title of this game is double trouble. No. Double trouble. This is a G game. I think this is a G game as well. I would pray that it's a G game.

I'm also going G game. I think you're tricking us. Meet Olivia and Elody, two sisters on an adventure in infinite imaginary land. landscape. Can you help them work together in order to discover what secrets are in store? Explore a colorful, infinite dream world in which to collect,

build, unlock, this is a wholesome G-game. The read was scaring me. Continue on. Lusty men. They all have lusty men. Adventure, build, and butt-fuck one of them. Oh, God, oh, good.

Next title, Bridge. Poly Bridge. I'm going to go H game. I'm going to go H game on this as well. G game. I'm also going G game. Polly Bridge. Unleash your engineering creativity

with an engaging in fresh bridge building simulator with all the bells and whistles. This is a G game. Yeah. Shit. Fuck. Next one. Spirit Valley. I think

I know for sure this is a G game. game? Matt says G game. Spirit Valley. Spirit Valley. You know for sure? I think so. Unless I'm thinking of something else, but.

You think it's Star-Doo Valley? No. Are you thinking of Spirit Tracks? Is Zelda? I think of Spirit. No. Spirit Valley. I think something like that, though.

You're right. Fuck. Um. I'm going to say G-game just to say it. Matt says G-game. Spirit Valley? I'll go to G-G-Vily. Spirit Valley.

Ethan says G-game. To try and get some points, I'm going to go for an H game here. Yeah, and I say H game because it just... Sounds too innocent. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. What's the meta? Spirit Valley is an erotic creature collecting game.

Explore the open world, battle horny spirit girls, build your team and fuck them all. So crude at the end of the end. That's so crazy. Fuck them all. Oh, my God.

God. What is the like, I mean, obviously, like, there's a lot of these types of games. What number of them are like, I know that, like, Honey Pop is, like, good. It's, like, an actually good game. I wonder how many of these are, like, this is actually a good game worth playing if you could, like, just, like, not even ignore, but, like, sort of, like, just, uh, take in stride that it's horny. It's like how Deader Alive has great, good fighting and jiggle fix. Yeah. Yeah.

There are, I mean, like, I'll read the reviews when I'm, when I'm, when I'm researching this, uh, to see which ones to add to my wish list. But a lot of these are just like, this is garbage. This is, you know, whatever. All the best stuff is in the trailer or whatever. Or there's no gameplay in this. This is just like basically you're buying an MPEG. But some of them are like, like, this is actually a pretty good 2D platformer.

It's just, you know, like, but it just also has some erotic elements. I have to ask at the producer's desk over here, Ranch, did you pull it up on your computer? It's Mix up their faces It's aggressive Yeah, yeah You can tell what's going on there I'm gonna check this now

All right The next one is Sapphire Safari Sapphire Safari Going to H on that one I'm gonna go H Yeah Yeah I'm gonna go H as well

I'll do H Everyone says H game Answer the call of the while With Sapphire Safari an open world photography adventure game capture the beauty of real life monster girls in their natural effects

use tools to lure them into more erotic poses and become intimate with them if you are brave enough this is an H game they bury the weed so well oh my God

what you're bringing to the read to Liger is unmas Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to sell these things. You're doing great. Oh, my God. Oh, right.

Oh, it's an F-game. Michelle, stop bringing up such disgusting things on the head and on Wi-Fi. Could you email me? What's the score right now? We have Garrick at four, Matt at two, Heather at five, Ethan at four. Okay, so still anyone's game. game. Next title, Mermaid Adventures. G. G. This is a misdirect. Mermaid Adventures. G's all around. Sprudo, the dastardly octopus, snuck into the treasure room

and ran off with the magic pearl. The pearl controls the sea and its absence will create a torrent of storms that will sink all of the ships. Join Alice and her friend. Craby the crab as they tracked down Sprudo and the Magic Pearl in this charming match three hidden objects game. This is a G game. Thank God. Nice. All right. The magic curl that controls the sea and also the girls in the sea.

Fuck. God damn it. The title of this one is Arc recode. Arc recode? Arc recode. H game. Arc. Just gives some more context.

Arc. R.E. colon code. H game Arc re-code Arc re-code Arc R-E-colon code

G-G-G-G-G-G-G-E-GIN G-E-GEN says G-GEM Heather says H-Game I'm gonna say G-Game I'm gonna say H That was a really confident H that Heather threw out there Because these fucking games

All these games, it's either gonna be like Hard-C-Fi Or it's gonna be like Hard-Sy-5 Yeah yeah yeah God Arc recode. What do you say, Garrick? G-Game.

All right. The end is here, and it's horny. Dive into a wild post-apocalyptic RPG packed with sexy girls, mutants, and more H-scenes than you can handle. Build your harem and fuck these hotties like the fate of humanity depends on it. This is an H-game. All right, what's the score is at? Only Heather got a point just now? I think Heather and Matt.

Did, yeah. Character 5, Matt, 4, Heather, 7, Ethan, 5. I think Heather's going to take it. There's only one left, but we'll do it anyway. Here we go. The final title. Think about this one. I swear to God.

It's just going to be like booby fucker. Yeah. It's not booby fucker. The title is... Fuckhole 3,000. It's not that. Please. The title of his game is Cybercum 2069.

G game What a swerve that would be What a swerve that would be of this small G game. G game, Andre. How's that one spelled? It's spelled the way you think. This is, of course, an H game. Everyone would have gotten up point.

Cybercombe 2069 is an erotic game in the genre of arcanoid, with a block-breaking game, in which you have to break the cubes and gradually discover really beautiful and hot images. images. Now, I pick this one because if you read a little bit further down, there's an AI notification that is mandated by the Steam Store. The developers describe how their game

uses AI generated content like this. All the images in this game are created using artificial intelligence. They don't give a fuck. There's a bunch of AI slop with like an existing game mechanic and they're just like, whatever, we'll charge five bucks in the Steam Store. That's so insane. But also just the idea that like somebody's going to get that and be like, finally, I can see nude women. AI hentai, hell yeah. As long as I'm good at Tetris, I can see booed. I got this.

Yeah, I want to find AI pornography, but I want an extra step. Hey, that's this week's get played. Heather wins that one, I believe. That's right. Congrats, Heather. Our producer is Rochelle Chen, Ranch. Twitch.tv slash yard underscore Sard. Any plugs, Ranch?

That's that. Check out the Twitch. Ethan, our intern, special thanks to you. Anything you'd like to plug? You guys can follow my letterboxed at Ethan held Ethan H-E-L-D. Wait, am I following your letterboxed? I think I just followed you and did not get a follow back. Oh, wow, okay.

It's a little awkward. I might unfollow you. No, no, no. Please don't unfollow. No, of course. Our music is by Ben-Prenti. Ben-Prenti music.com. Our art by Duck Brigade Design, duck brigade.

com. Merge at kinshipgoods.com. And a bonus episode every Wednesday on our Patreon. Get played. D. L. You can subscribe to that at patreon.com slash get played. Garrick Bernard, what an absolute delight to have you.

Thanks so much for making time with us for us. Anything you would like to plug. Rik and Morty Season 9, it can say, the you wrote for. Yeah. It's so great. All the episodes are so funny. Yeah, Rick and Morty Season 9. Please, everybody, watch that.

I'm very excited to see the reception. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Check that out for sure. Anything else you want to plug? That's it. There you go.

Hell yeah. And hey, I hate to say this to you as someone I see all the time, but all our guests hear this. Unfortunately, you got played. Fuck. Yay. That was a hate gum podcast. Hello, I'm Johnny Knoxville. And I'm Jeff Tremaine.

Welcome to Jackass the podcast. podcast, a new show coming to F***. Coming to F***. That's what it is. Hello, I'm Johnny Knoxville. And I'm Jeff Tremaine. Welcome to Jackass the Podcast. A new show now on Headgum. Woo-hoo.

I've learned a jackass movie has to be really 90 minutes. Every minute over is a minute too long. Apparently, there's only so much butthole you can take. We're going to take you behind the scenes of our entire history. All the best bits, bad behavior. and even worse decisions. All of it. Sometimes we don't make the right decisions, Jeff.

I've noticed that. Every so often. With guests like Spike Jones. I think this committed Jackass the podcast. What was it going to be called? The Jackass podcast. Without you, the IQ drops significantly. It's a strong chance that were it not for Jackass,

that I would be in cloud makeup right this fucking minute. Chris Pontius. That shot of your butt just cruising. I'm like, yeah, I got that on TV. God bless us. Dave, England. Yeah, when you come in and you're being really nice, I'm like, damn it, something bad is going to happen to me. Wee man.

Jeff grabbed me from the back of the head and threw a punch. The whole bar just stopped and wanted to kill me. And some of the crew that's been with us from the beginning. I had to share a room with this guy. I left a nice surprise in the toilet form. Every time. Apparently he hates to flush. Subscribe to Jackass the podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcast, PocketCast, or wherever the hell you get podcasts.

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