Get Played - Hades 2 1.0 & Greek Mythology in Games

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

Heather, Nick and Matt discuss the 1.0 release of Hades 2 and Greek mythology in games! Check out our brand new merch at kinshipgoods.com/getplayed Follow us on social media @getplayedpod Music by Ben Prunty benpruntymusic.com Art by Duck Brigade duckbrigade.com For ad-free main feed episodes, our complete back catalogue including How Did This Get Played? and our Premium DLC episodes and our exclusive show Get Anime'd where we're currently watching Elfen Lied go to patreon.com/getplayed Join us on our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/getplayed Wanna leave us a voicemail? Call 616-2-PLAYED (616-275-2933) or write us an email at [e-mail] Advertise on Get Played via Gumball.fm All of our links can be found at linktree.com/getplayedpodSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

This is a headgum podcast. Would be guards and demigards, welcome to Mount Olympus. State your name and your power, and I shall deign whether or not thee is ready to ascend to Mount Olympus. It is I, the god Claudus. Claudus, spake thee. What is your power? I can look at sawdust and imagine what type of wood it came from. Claudus, the god of sawdust.

Claudus! Nay! You are not allowed on Mount Olympus! Cast you back to Hades! Cast you back to Hades! It's hot down there. Speak thy name, and I shall tell you whether or not you are willing and able to ascend to Mount Olympus. Tis I, art, smeller.

Art smeller. Speak thee thy power, and I shall choose whether or not to let you enter the gates of Mount Olympus. I can smell a fart and guess the food that which. Produced the far... Nay! Oh, come on! Caste me back to 80s! Nay!

Come on! Also, it sounded like you were unsure about what your own power was. No, I knew. That wasn't the part I wasn't sure about. Back to Hades. That would be. God is not worth your time. Rather, you should invite me up to Mount Olympus.

Speak thy name. Why, it is I, fallacious. Fallacious. And what be thy power? I am the god of enjoying getting my dick sucked. I love it. I think it's so fun. It's my favorite thing.

And I am a god. Balacius? You are worthy of Mount Olympus. Yay! I know how I'm celebrating. We collect boons and flirt with horny deities as we discuss Hades 2.1.0 and Greek gods in game. This week on Get Played. It's time to get played.

I'm your host, Heather Ann Campbell, along with my fellow host, Tiger Weiger. That's me, Tiger Weiger, along with our third host, Mr. Games, Matt Apodaca. Hello, everyone. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the show where today on the premiere gaming podcast, we talk about gods in games. That's right, with the, I guess specifically the Greek gods and Greek myth in games more generally. Yeah. Kind of a catch-all sort of category that a surprising number of games fall into. Yeah.

A public domain well that is frequently, I'm mixing metaphors, frequently mine. You know, there's probably that like, you know the sort of wormy guy and diehard who's like, hey, you want John McLean? I'll get him to you. Yeah, sure. I'll get him to you. I feel like in like 1985 there was like an agent. who's like selling the IP of the great gods. And he probably sounded exactly like that guy.

He's probably like, hey, Nintendo, Sega, PlayStation, you guys want the gods? Yeah, but here, Oikiles? You ever talk about gods in your games? You want a Medusa? I got a Medusa. Medusa's... Not in enough games. Not in enough games, also.

You don't think Medusa's in enough games? And Medusas are like, we're saying a lot of medusas. We'll talk about it. Fucking put her in more games. I like Medusa. You should be Medusa. You should be medusa in a game, I think. That'd be pretty tight. Is there a game where you're a Medusa? Probably a fighting game where you can play a Medusa.

Yeah, probably. I can't think of a Medusa. A Gorgon, I guess. Yeah, Gorgon. I mean, I know one, but I was going to save it from when we were talking about that stuff. We'll get into it. Don't do it now. We're not going to jump the gun here.

No, don't do it now. I'm not going to do it at all. Are you kidding me with this? He's not doing anything. Ranch, you like a Medusa? I like a menacea. I love a medusa. Beautiful.

It's the common denominator that, like, it's like snakes, right? Snakes are really cool. I think the snake hair is cool. I think turning someone to stone with your gaze is cool. She has kind of like a tragic backstory, which kind of informs her character to some degree.

Isn't it that she was like... I think it's really bleak. Oh, is it really? Should we not get into it? Yeah, save it for get animated. Look, I'll, A lot of these figures in Greek mythology, they got tragic, tragic backstories. It's almost like they were brought up in a time of great tragedy.

Like when most people are like dying at age 47 to 55, like you just start getting your bearings on what life is. And then suddenly like diogenes spits on your knee, you get an infection and you drop dead. Yeah, I mean, I think that's like, I wonder if that's partly where the midlife crisis comes from. That's just used to be when we, like, life expectancy was, you know, you get, you hit 40 and then you're fucking probably going to be, you know, if you're still alive, you're, you've, you've already got one foot in the grave. It's a, uh, I think that's an interesting theory, but I think that if you were only living to 50 that you'd have your midlife crisis as 25, because like, fucking Alexander the great's out there, like, leading troops at 18. That's true, yeah. So, like, seven years later, the dude's probably like, what am I really doing? And then he wept because he had no place.

place left to conquer. That was that crisis. Yeah. Or because he was a big pussy. Yeah. Find some new places to conquer, babe. Historians have not yet settled whether or not Alexander the Great was a huge pussy. It's still well debated.

It's a shame that that is a- Why they call him the Great. Yeah. It's a shame that that is a gendered slur. Yeah. Because it's so good. It is a good slur. Like, it's a good...

One of our best. It's a good slur. Like, coward doesn't have... the same no yeah no yeah no coward although i think if you say it mean enough coward could be more hurtful i wonder what came first the you are a pussy as in like you're a pussy cat or that girl's pussy yeah yeah what is the etymology here i would guess let's look it up yeah why don't you look it up this is this is important something on the show which came first Pussy or pussy

While we're stopped down Matt, what's your favorite slur? Oh gosh, I mean the list is so varied I can't even do like a fake one Because I don't even know I don't even know if like the ones that like are sort of like Things people used to say Are like actually actually that one's really bad

Yeah that's that that one's come back around to being super offensive Yeah yeah yeah maybe Chud Chud is pretty good Cannibalistic humanoid underground waller Calling someone a chud is fun. It is really good. Yeah, you fucking chud. Yeah, I've never seen chud, but I just know that, like, if I'm calling somebody a chud, I'm right.

You got to see chud, but I hope you don't see a chud. Man, if I saw a chud, I'd be really freaked out, I think. The noun pussy, meaning cat, comes from the modern English word puss, a conventional name for a term of address for a cat. The word puss is attested in English as early as 1533. the words Puss and derived forms Pussy and Pussy Cat were extended to refer to girls

or women by the 17th century. So it is first slang for women and then you are like a woman to insult the man. So yeah, but cats first, the term for cats first, then slang for, then generalized

to women and then specified to you know, it's a, it's a, you're a cooter, if you will. Hmm I hated that Webster There's more There's more

There's more Pussy was used refers to specifically to genitalia by the 18th century Got it These things take so long They really do And they're further extended

to refer to sexual intercourse involving a woman By the 20th century But Here come my boys Webster's Third International Dictionary suggests that pussy in the sense of vulva may be connected to

Old Norse, puss, meaning pocket or purse. Wow, it comes back to Viking. When you said, here come, my boys, I knew it was Viking. Yeah. Those are my boys. When does Big Pussy from the Sopranos Factor in, 2004? Yeah. Interesting, interesting.

How about that? You know, you don't often learn things on our podcast. In fact, never before. Has anyone learned anything listening to the show? And now we all learned a little bit about a word that I think would probably get us banned from broadcast in Texas. I can't wait to go home and tell my wife. I learned something at work today. Hey, we have some exciting news to share.

I'm not sure if you all saw this about, you know, we're recording a little bit earlier in the week than usual. But we have some news that came up. EA's $55 billion buyout gives Saudi Arabia even bigger foothold in the games industry. How about that? That's really great. And I can't wait to talk about it when we're performing live at the Riyadh Comedy Festival. I can't wait to be there at the podcast stage. It's going to be a blast.

Big Ups, MBS, MBS. I'm Ahmed bin Salman. Thank you for everything you're doing. Yeah, I can't wait to put my hand in that sand. This is the more electronic guards confirmed Monday that the company was being acquired by private investors including Saudi Arabia's public investment fund, private equity funds silver lake, and affinity partners, the investment firm founded by Jared Kushner, Donald Trump's son-in-law.

Even, the news gets even better. I got to say. So, congrats to everyone involved. For my money? The worst, Jared. The thing is, EA already sucks. They already so fucking bad. So it's just like, I mean, this totally makes sense.

That's sort of calculation. Do they exclusively own the star? Wars license or only for Battlefield. I believe the Star Wars license is, you know, I believe the Star Wars IP is licensed out to different publishers. Yes. So you have, what do you call it? Ubisoft did outlaws, respawn, which is an EA company, I believe, did the Jedi games.

But yeah, it's farmed out a bunch of different places. You know what's crazy is to think of being a programmer, an artist, a developer at EA like it's a it's it's a tough ethical job to have but you keep your head down and you're like if I if I just get to carve out a little bit of art in this art form yeah then maybe I can elevate the world and your boss comes in and goes hey guys we were bought by Kushner yeah and the Saudis that's tough maybe maybe this maybe this potential windfall though could bring back EA sports big I do like EA sports big

I wish it was still around Big yeah real real bummer that label was discontinued 9 20 years ago at this point Yeah RIP RIP RIP

RIP Big Ups if you will Big ups Are there any other news items This week Gosh it's still It's earlier in the week Then we typically record

That was the big one I saw Those games really This episode's recording spooky season but is released solid spooky season yes yeah it's on we're on the cusp I'm detecting a little bit of

pumpkin spice in the air I'm tasting it even I make a pumpkin spice latte for myself in the mornings and have been all September you make it for yourself at home what do you do what do you mean what do I do like what's your secret what's your formula what do I do I'll tell you what I do I have an espresso machine that my wife got me for my

birthday several years ago that I treat like a fucking sports car. I clean that motherfucker. I polish it. I measure my beans. The vacuum left by alcoholism in my life has been filled with coffee obsessiveness. Measure, grind.

I have a thing that I put on top of my would-be puck on top of my porta filter and I spin it and it stirs up the beans and eliminates the static electricity. then I tamp my shit, I jam it in my espresso machine, I brew my espresso, and then, as you guys know, I don't drink or don't eat sugar. So I use manuka honey, which has a graininess and kind of a, I want to say, like a spiciness to it. Oh. And that's how I sweeten the coffee, because you do have to sweeten it up in order to make it into a pumpkin spice latte. And then I shake pumpkin spice on top of my foam. Wow.

And it's identical tasting to the Starbucks pumpkin spice latte. I bet it's even better. What's the, what is the pumpkin spice blend you have? I think it's just like a Morton's, but it's, uh, cloves, nutmeg, cinnamon, anise, I think, is in there. I don't know. It's like a, it's a shaker. It's just an off the shelf pumpkin spice. It's a pumpkin spice and it's got like a glass.

Well, it's in glass. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah, you don't want to eat that microplastic. Well, I didn't know about taking the static electricity out of my damn coffee. Now I'm worried I'm going to get sick or something. No, that's not going to make you sick. It's just for a more even flow.

I'm counting my days. I also use a blind shaker. I mean, like, I go through like a 10-step process to make an espresso. Wow. And my wife loves me for it. And I love her for getting me the thing. How about that? Cyclical.

Very nice. It is cyclical. Yeah, yeah. This weekend I took the machine apart and I polished each part of it. And then I soaked it in cleaner. and then I used an ultrasonic cleaner on the filter grid. Yeah, how cool.

Filter grid? Filter grid? I don't know. It's like a, it's a metal puck that I put on top of my coffee puck to create a greater height in the puck itself and create a more even pressure

and distribution from the water that flows out of the group head. Coffee puck. What a good word. Yeah, it is. It is. I was just thinking, I was picturing a coffee puck

the size of a hockey puck, that'd be a big, big cup of coffee. I would bathe in coffee if I could. Oh, man, it's the best. I'm in hell. One of the top drinks. Certainly, I think number one hot drink. I miss whiskey.

Number one hot drink. Fuck. Is it coffee? What are the candidates? You got tea, of course. Tea is pretty good, though. You got hot water. Hot water.

I think hot water's at the bottom, I think. Just a mug of hot water? That sucks. What am I sick? If I'm sick, if I'm sick, hot watered lemon, maybe it gets up there. Yeah. So wait, what am I, there's got to be something else. There's got to be something more than coffee?

No, coffee and tea. I'm just like doing more hot drinks. Hot chocolate. Yeah, hot chocolate, there you go. I mean, hot chocolate's number one. I don't know. A cup of coffee than a couple of hot chocolate in my age. What about a little cup of marshmallow or something?

A little whipped? Hot milkshake. Hot milk shake, yeah. Thick and hot? Sounds like that sounds rough Nasty Hot eggnog Like magma

What do we think about A little bit of soup Not like anything thick or nothing Like a broth Yeah In a mug In a little bit of mug That's kind of a drink

More than it is a food Well I can't I can't go there I can't say soup is a drink I will say when you're camping And you pour that shit out of a thermos And it's steaming hot And you drink it out of the cap

Whoa What a great time That's good stuff That's fun I had some clam chowder over the weekend That's not the type of soup I'm talking about By the way That's definitely

A Manhattan clapt chowder Uh no it was I mean gosh Like a New England clam chowder Classic sort of It was like classic It was at it was at Houston's They had a little special

Oh yeah yeah yeah That's probably like a You know just classic We got a we got a clam chowder for the table Me and my wife New England Unbelievable it was so fucking good Houston's is fun

Good time of Houston's I loved it I loved hot drinks It's getting to hot drinks season I'm I'm a constant hot drink season girl. You've ever seen that Wendy's hot drinks training video?

Hot Frosty. Lots of a difference. I haven't. I haven't seen it. It's fucking great. The song is, it's like, it's like one of those training videos from a time when effort was put into these things. And for some reason, there's just like this

fucking incredible, like new jack swing like pop song that's kind of driving it. What was the, what was, like, do you know, like what era it was like what year perhaps i mean late 80s early 90s it kind of feels like i guess it could be earlier than that but it's it's so fucking that's about when people cared about stuff have you have you speaking of hot drinks and um instructional videos have you guys heard the we built this Starbucks song that was leaked from a Starbucks corporate in the 90s no it is it is the height of cringe it is like a song played at a corporate

event about how they're like meeting their goals and meeting their numbers all sung to the tune of we built this city a song that already sucks yeah we built the city on rock and roll i don't think so building on fucking something else uh yeah i think that's the real pride so it's a logic issue with the song it's not gonna be able to sustain itself on rock and roll alone that's not There's not enough infrastructure. The song's corrupted lyrics from Starbucks is we built this Starbucks on heart and soul. That is worse. Yep.

That is that's a lot worse. It's terrible. I hate that. It's a fucking awful song. You know what? I'm never going there again. Yeah. Well, they're closing, so you don't have to worry about it.

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The question is, what are you playing? What are you playing? Hi, it's me the Resident Evil Merchant, and I'm here to ask my friends what they've been playing. Maddoch, what are you been playing? Resident Evil 4 Merchant, thank you so much. You're welcome. I'm still playing Silk Song. I got an item that's going to help me out a lot with the fight that I'm still on.

with the last judge. I'm still on it because there hasn't been that much time in between since we last spoke. Right, because we're recording early. Yes. Is the item tax?

It is tax. I got the tax. And those things, you pop them down, you pop them down the right spot, you're doing damage before the battle started. The last judge is like standing in it.

It was like, oh, oh, ow, oh, ow. And then you have stuff too. I have this thing that, it adds poison to your tools so like I'm dropping poison tax and he's now he's like ah fuck he says fuck

it's it's that's wild he doesn't say fuck I was just kidding I'm just kidding I believed you he says fuck why did you do that Matt like the old E.T ride and say your name at the end bring back the E.T ride

Bring back everything. Bring back everything. Why not? So I don't have that much to report because I haven't beaten this boss yet. But I have a take that I'd like to drop here on the show. A take I'm debuting for the first time to the both of you. Debute take. Here we go.

Between Silk Song. Okay. Death Stranding 2. Yeah. 80s 2. Yeah. And perhaps even the upcoming. Ghost?

Ghost of Yote. I think 2025 might be the year of the video game sequel. I mean, there's also, you know, Kingdom Come Deliverance to, which Heather played. That's right. That's another...

That's the way it starts. Yeah. And every time you start it, you're like, oh, what a nice time. Where was I saving? And it takes forever to load because there's so much. And, like, you start,

and you're being attacked by a wolf. And it's like, oh, right, right. This is why I stopped. Oh, fuck. I think there's just a lot of really great sequels that have come out this year and some of these sequels are just all-timers. Specifically number twos as well.

Yeah. So I don't know, something, I don't know if it's like, we don't got to like stamp the take now to be like, that's a good take. We could see, we could let the rest of the year go and then see where we're at with it. But I kind of think there's something to it. These are number twos you don't want to flush.

It's like the queen's turds. I'm sorry, what? They didn't flush the queen's turd? I don't put those in a museum. Do you think, wait, did they do that? No, no, not those, not those. In the UK, and you open a door.

There's just like a plexiglass chamber of every shit she ever took. There's something kind of like, that immediately makes me think I would like to see that when I die. I'd like to see represented somehow in whatever afterlife there is. I want to see a tower or a pyramid or some sort of structure of all the shits I took in my life. It'd be kind of interesting.

Yeah, no, they're kind of like the queen's shits in that way. Got it. The turds you don't want to flush. But I'm very, very excited for Ghost of Yote. Don't mind. I'm looking forward to checking that out. But I'm guessing it's adding to the... the sequels of this year,

the number twos of this year. Yeah, I mean, if it lives, if it, if it iterates on the first game, which I, you know,

really enjoyed. Yeah. If it's really, like, then the same way that, that, that, you know,

some of these other games have, have been a notable step, or maybe not a, notable step up is maybe over, too much, but like, like,

like, like a clear advancement of the, uh, already previously compelling game. Yeah. So that's it for me. Okay. How about that?

I like to hear it. Heather, what are you playing? Well, I continue to play persona 5, which is just a smooth time. As I said before, it's the first time I've ever played one of these fucking games where I've decided not to try and max out anything or look up anything. I'm just doing what I would like to do were that I was my boy, who I've named Wolfgang. If I was Wolfgang and I was wandering around the city, I'm going to do batting pages. Okay, sure. to do a batting cage.

It also makes me really wish that I did more here in Los Angeles because everything he does is available here. Right. You can just go around and do this stuff. But I don't do any of these things. You can just go fishing in the city

if you want. Yeah. You could go to a batting cage. You can go try to woo a pharmacist or your teacher. Instead, I sit on my couch and I go, uh, I don't feel good like that all the time.

Just stressed out from waking up. Oh. Oh, my God. The other thing I've been doing is, of course, playing Fortnite. Wow. Took that 13-week break, and I'm back on the game. It is so full of glitches still. Jesus.

Explain what's going on with Fortnite. What are the glitches right now? So the theory that my squad mates have is that the initial launch of the season, which I missed, was so catastrophic, and the numbers on the game fell so rapidly. that they pulled all of the boons and medallions out of the game and they threw in a couple of pieces of mobility a hammer that was in many, many seasons ago. Actually, I think the hammer was in right after we played for the podcast.

Okay, yeah. And the hammer is sort of, it was medieval themed and like came from a quarry that was in that season. Now it's just back with no story, right? Yeah, yeah. And the hammer glitches constantly. There are also keybinding issues, which are so widespread that, like, you can just, like, do a basic Google of, like, I can't, I can't draw, I can't shoot out of the window of the car. How do I fix it?

And there's, like, tons and tons of Reddit threads about these issues, none of which have been solved. And given that this game is, you know, pulling in $60 billion a year or whatever for Epic, it's wild to me that they would let a single day go by without hot fixing these problems. Right. But also this week was the daft punk experience. Oh, yes. Which was such a visual feast. Oh, that's awesome. Oh, man.

Imagine the game res, who will, the old game res. where you're flying through a sort of digital landscape while plummeting towards an unseen gravitational force. Trans-vibrator going just for vibes. Trans-vibrator going. It's in your pocket. It's in your pocket. Yeah, what else are you going to do with that?

You're going to put it in your pocket. Yeah. Put it on your dog. And... You know, I put it in your mouth or something. Shattering your teeth Dumb guy with a vibrator I guess I don't know what to do with this

Returned to the fucking adult store This thing hurt my teeth Going to the ER It's rattling my rib cage I'm swallin it, a fucking idiot Guy dumb as shit It's fun to invent New dumb guy

The doctor's like Yeah look just You know Just let digestion Work its magic And eventually Come out the other end Yeah

And he's like I'm gonna do that again I liked it on the way out Luckily I didn't flush it Because I'm fucking Prince and fruit I'll explain it's why he's dumb So the daf punk experience was very res inspired, I think,

but with modern day high fidelity visuals. And of course, the soundtrack was made by daft punk. So it was like a really, really cool, like interactive tunnel that then drops you off at a concert experience that sort of replicates famous concerts of theirs. And you can go to like different eras. to Taylor Swift, the eras of daft punk, and you can also remix their songs in the arena.

Oh, cool. Altogether, a flawless, bug-free experience, a friend, a friend who is, I believe, a listener on the show, Miguel, Miguel was like, why don't they have those programmers working on the main game? Because it was really cool. And honestly, my favorite of the concert experience, I've had in Fortnite so far.

But that's it. I finished off the Pokemon the card game pocket season in Masterball. I don't believe I got to a ranked position. That's okay because this is my first season finishing in Masterball and I was really proud of myself.

My mom also plays. She had her worst season, but she did take pictures of Pokemon cards at a flea market because now she knows what they kind of mean. Interesting. You know, like she could be like, oh, I know what to do this, what these instructions on the cards mean. Interesting. It's kind of neat.

Do you think she'll get into collecting them? I doubt it, but she does want to watch a tournament. Oh, that's fun. That's, what a trajectory. Yeah. Yeah. My mom, the gamer. Nick, Tiger.

Yes. Wyker. That's me. What are you playing? Heather, I just to, I will answer your question, but I just to touch on something that you're, that Miguel. your buddy Miguel mentioned, I have a, I'm just, I'm just, my inference would be having, you know, worked in development a long time ago, but being aware that even if these companies are making hand over fist, usually resources are stretched thin and there's never enough programmers on

anything, I would guess it's probably the same, the same team, and they probably just don't have enough manpower to, you know, to handle both things. It's crazy to me, though, that that would be the case on what is one of the most financially successful games on planet Earth. What's so fucking dumb about how so many of these companies do business. I'm not saying it's universal. I'm not saying that's necessarily even the case with Epic. Maybe they do have, you know, maybe they are fully staffed.

But in my experience, it does seem to be like there's just a shortage of programmers in general. And then specifically programmers, the design and art teams used to be, departments used to be a little bit more likely to be fully staffed. But also just every place is trying to do more with less is like a general. like corporate ethos right it's just like like well fewer people will lay off as many people as we can it will have the workforce be as streamlined uh meaning as small as possible right uh to maximize profit and that's why a lot of stuff just uh gets shittier and shittier i could see that to like but i mean i don't have any insight info i'm just i'm purely speculative you're not one of the guys from daft punk are you you got me we don't know who they are they wear the helmet

Weiger's suddenly French. Oh no! I am deaf-de-pun. I could see more resources going to the daft punk thing, though, specifically because it's daft punk, they don't really do that much stuff. So, like, for them to have wanted to participate in this at all. Yeah.

Or, you know, not, like, they're not in the game. You know what I mean? But, like, to sign off. Yeah, they are skins. So I guess to sign off on it, they would want it to be something that was like really great and well done. And it sounds like it came out great.

Yeah, it came out great. And the Power Rangers collab is really fun too. You get to get in the Megasord. And if you are in your squad, then all four of you do the poses before you jump up into the megazord. And each of you controls a different, like one of you has the arm,

one of you controls the torso. It's wonderful. Like that's all functioning great. Yeah. And you said Rita's in the game too? Rita's in the game. What about Goldar? Just fucking screaming the whole time.

Zed? Is that his name? Emperor Zed? Emperor Zed's really cool. Emperor Zed's in the game? The, uh, the, the, you're making it just daft punk and then the, the upcoming Trond Aries, which I believe Nine Inch Nails is doing the soundtrack. Oh, yes.

That was me, uh, just thinking about the, uh, the Tron Legacy, was it, right? Yeah. That was the subtitle, Tron Legacy, Dapfunk soundtrack, which is so fucking good. It's so good. It's amazing. Such a fucking, like, I just, I, I like that album more than I like the movie. Of course. And I like the movie.

And then, of course, the, the incredible original, uh, Tron soundtrack by the great Wendy Carlos, which is also just so fucking inimitable, inimitable. Well, you would like the Tron legacy because you wrote it. You wrote the music. I wrote the music because I'm one of the guys. Yeah, I am one of the daft. You wrote it in French because you're French. Right.

That's my first language. Yeah. I'm not speaking now. No, no. That's like I got to maintain the mystery. Yeah, exactly. You got to. And you're also Mr. Brainwash?

Yeah, that's the, I'm also Mr. Brainwash. Wait, isn't that a real... Don't we know who Mr. Brainwash is? Wait, I meant to... That's how crazy it is. Mr. Banks... Mr. Brainwash is the daft punk guy. He's hiding in plain sight as this guy

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and I'm glad I did because I'm really enjoying it. I think the new progression system with the, you know, instead of the mirror of night, we got the Arcana cards, which are kind of like tarot cards for all the, like that grid, I think is super satisfying to unlock. I think it's the progression feels really tangible. And the way like your kind of skill points are distributed

and then you can choose what you're, like it just feels, I liked the mirror of night. and it was cool how you got to allocate what you're going to use. But, like, it is, this feels like a, more like a skill tree, but, like, in a good way. I mean, I'm, like, kind of exhausted by skill trees. This feels, but this feels distinct enough from a skill tree. And you really can kind of, like, focus what your, your, what your build is going to be just because of the way that it's structured.

And I like that there's more, there's more resource gathering. Like, there's more crafting. I think that's all really fun. and I just think it's like I've been I've been experienced Anhedonia experiencing Anadonia recently which is a feeling of

An inability to feel joy Thank you for saying that inability to feel like joy in anything and which is like a thing that a lot of people deal with when they're dealing with mental health and it is it is frustrating because like you're maybe dealing with something and then when you get whatever your escape is is also not like feeling giving you a sense of fun or sense of purpose

or anything like that. But I'm not saying this game broke me out of it, but this is a game where I'm like playing it and I'm like, I'm actually having fun doing this. I'm enjoying this. You know what I mean? And I think that just comes to A, it's connecting me with one of my favorite games of all time, Hades 1, but B, it's just like got this

incredible gameplay loop that the gameplay is so kinetic. It's unrelenting in a way of just, you know, constant rewards, your constant, like And just the structure of it. It just the going through runs, collecting different boons, the new interactions each

time you get your ass kicked and sent back to the Crossroads, which is the new kind of hub world. Each time you get set back there, it's like, and you get all these new interactions with NPCs and new upgrades you can get or whatever. It's really, really fun. And then the first time I got to Oceanus, the second of the biomes, it was like, I will say, this is, because Matt, you've been spending some time with Hades do as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I've also been playing it. Heather's also been playing. So we've all been playing it. So let's open up the discussion at this point. I do feel like there was a little bit more of a choke point slash, you know, like, skill test in with Hades one in terms of escaping that first biome. It feels like McGarra to like beat McGarra was like, like, I didn't need a few more bites at the apple, a few more iterations, a few more runs to get through that. I think because of the structure of this game, because it's got maybe a few more biomes, it's a little bit more expansive. There's less of a, like a, what am I trying to say here?

I'll say it very simply. It's less difficult to beat that first boss. And so, like, I did it relatively early. It was just a couple of runs before I knocked them out. But that was, like, satisfying end of itself to get to, like, a new biome. relatively like much quicker than um in hades one yeah like i would say uh because i i had spent uh i had done a few runs back when it released in early access when we had first sort of talked about it yeah uh and hadn't touched it since then so i'm having like uh since i since i've rejoined

the you know i guess rejoined the conversation and it started with 1.0 i'm having a hard time remembering what was and wasn't there kind of right just because it's been a while since i experienced it, but I feel like I just experienced something that wasn't there. I don't think it was there the first time. It's sort of like playable, like flashback. Yes, I mean, some of that stuff is, does feel like it's been added. Yeah. Fair, in recent, more recent builds.

Which I enjoyed. I thought that was great. Or fleshed out at minimum. Yes. And I love the tarot cards. I think they're very like, that sort of adds more to the world than the mirror did for me. Yeah, for sure. It's just a little more like, in.

in line with like the the magic element and things like that well also the mirror was pretty like it was basically just a you know just a menu you know it was pretty minimal I think it absolutely got the job done but it was not something with a lot of visual panache which is the the tarot cards do have a little bit of like you were saying like like kind of coloring the world a little bit more and I so far I've gotten to the first sort of like boss and I haven't done yet but I've only done like three runs probably or something so I'm sort of like relearning the like how to play and just like and just loving it loving how fast it is and how I got I've already gotten a new weapon and a new like tool like there's like the tools for

like mining resources and things like that that I've enjoyed and I got to just say the character design yet again some of the hottest characters I've ever seen ever there was a lady with an eight-pack. Yeah. And I was like, wow. Unbelievable. I wish I was buffed like that lady. Yeah.

So I'm just, I'm really enjoying the game. And even though I've spent not that much time with it so far, I'm already like, the game of the year slot is. Stacked. It's a fucking crazy year. It is a crazy year for games. It's crazy. Can I say the number one thing that I appreciate about Hades 2 is that you say, you start the game and you can immediately play

the game. Yes, great. And God damn it, like the first time you play the game, it's like, I think there's a single splash screen of some kind of story setup that's just like, oh boy Kronos has to die. And then you're playing.

There's no tutorial. There's no like, nothing is like fucking slow leading you into the actual game. It's just like, here you go, go. And And if you want, you can investigate more of how to play the game like pretty shortly thereafter because you, after you die your first time, you can train, you can learn all your buttons, whatever. But for me, I was just like, oh, fuck, how far can I get on my very first run before I know any of this stuff? And that was so enjoyable.

And I was really, really, really grateful for it. Also, she moves pretty fast. That's what I'm talking about. Great sense of speed. It's not quite fast enough, but I know that there's going to be upgrades to how fast she can move. Yeah, you can get stuff to make you go a little faster. Yeah, you can. And so where she is in speed, when you start, I'm like, this is acceptable to me.

This isn't blueprint speed. I'm not, I'm not angry at how slow my character is running around. It's pretty good. It would be so funny if a game like this was that slow. Like if you could be like, if you had to be so slow, like in, uh, I feel like Diablo is pretty slow physically. Yeah, I mean, those games definitely do not have the same sort of, you know, even in, I mean, Diablo too, especially was, was frustrated because I love that game,

but like you could only run for so long before you'd run out of stamina. And stamina being a resource you'd eventually have to upgrade so you can run more. And your walking speed was much slower. One of the things they've upgraded in Fortnite this season is that they have very, very rapidly in the game when, because each time you get boons and upgrades in your run of Fortnite, which is more and more like a roguelike, the boons you get eliminate stamina depletion so you can do the running speed for longer and longer,

the longer you play the game, which is really nice for those of us who like to run. They also added sonic wheels to the cars. Whoa, really? Yeah, it looks like he's rolling in the wheel. I definitely was someone who got up pretty high in the heat when I was doing, you know, Hades one runs over and over again.

I did start to feel like king shit in that very first run a little bit. We're like, oh, man, what if I fucking, what if I just keep going here? And, yeah, of course, you fucking get obliterated. Yeah. Guy, guy, it was my hubris was punished. Much like, much like Icarus in the Greek myth. But the, but I.

This guy's good. Kid Icarus. Much like kid. Icarus but it is morbid title it really is once you you get to the a part of I think why they're they're just starting you like like like N Meteor is and just be like hey just fucking go for it which I love I don't know of the time to game account is still going but when that would like this is one I'd be it feels like seconds before you actually get to play this fucking game which I love but as much as like teaching you how to play the game this game is

trying to teach you that you're going to die and just trying to get you to a death really quickly in the same way that they relatively quickly, the same way that Souls games usually start with a fucking boss that's going to just kick the shit out of you. It must be possible to play that opening level all the way to the end

if you're good enough, right? I'm sure. I'm sure I'm sure we're going to, I'm being, I wonder if someone's already done that. I bet that will be a speed run category at some point. I'm already, I'm preemptively so impressed by somebody. I love it. What a fucking legend that'll be that's interesting i wonder if it will be because when when people start

min maxing this and i i don't know how much the how much of a speed running community there is around hades but if you were trying to speed run a game like a like a rogue like is the fastest version trying to get through it on on your first run i know a lot of people are speed running blueprints and there's a lot of like day one runs there's a lot of like that or is it going to be maybe faster to get to a death quickly so you can get a few upgrades that make you a little bit faster at getting through the run. Yeah, I don't know. And it'd be interesting where that calculus ends up landing when they hyper-optimized that.

But yeah, I think this, I think it's really, really fun. It sounds like you haven't gotten to O'Shaanus, the watery realm. Not yet. And this game is basically just come out as of this recording. Like we keep saying, we've recording a bit earlier than we normally do. Yeah. But, as you might infer from the name, it's a little wet. and that's kind of fun.

Yeah, I was kind of getting the impression when you said Oceanas, that it might be a little wet. Others make it a face. Sorry, Jesus. Hey, sorry. You hear a word like ocean? I'm going to guess wet.

That's fine. I already do really like the, I mean, I'm not so deep in the story yet of it, right? So, but like, even if it was just like, hey, there's no story, it's just a little bit more of Hades and you're just now playing this character. I'm like, great. It's just like, it's such a fun loop and so fun. It's just a, it's, I love pushing buttons. Yeah.

It rocks. It's, you know, it's five, it's been five years since the original Hades came out, right? Like five years. And so they've used that development time. Well, I'm glad it doesn't seem like they, uh, you know, super. giant overthought it in terms of like completely reinventing what the game is. It's just like the stuff that works is just underlined and emphasized and bolded. And then there's just some additional mechanics that make it a little bit of a richer,

more fleshed out experience. And from what I can gather, it's just a bigger game. I was surprised how cozy it felt. Yeah, it feels real cozy. Like even though they're not the same guys, they are sort of the same guys. Yeah, sure. Oh, it's my friends from this little game. Well, you see, like, hypnosis still there, you know?

It's like, you'll see some of your old friends. Aphrodite is still there. Yeah. You know, but still, it's, like, I was like, oh, I, I, I didn't realize that this would feel as warm as it does to me, and, and less of a chore. And, and, because I, I didn't remember loving Hades. Like, I ran, I ran through the first, I finished that first run, and I was like, okay, I'm done.

And you guys were like, no, the real game starts now. like, ah, no, not for me. That's it. But I still was really, I don't know, it's nice. The sound is nice. The color is nice. It's a good, pretty game. I've already double dipped on this, because I got the early

access on Steam. Yes. But it's available for Switch 2. So I was like, I'll get it on Switch 2. And the cool thing there is that you can link your account. Yeah. Cross Save. With Cross Save. So like if I wanted to then play it on my PC or something or my Steam deck, I could do that and keep

the the 1.0 progress going. But it's just they just they make great stuff. I just really am so happy that it's finally out in 1.0 and then

it's fucking around. Yeah. Before we before we get into Greek gods and games and Greek myths and games producer Rochelle Chen Ranch are you also playing

Silk Song? I am playing Silk Song. Let's do a quick what are you play and report with it with you. Like how is your, what is your silk song? experience how does it compare to hollow night one and um uh yeah what where are you in the game i am like really enjoying sulksong even more than hollow night i think even though i think hollow night is a

perfect game yeah i think that it's i don't know if it's because of playing a hollow night where i just understand how the game works i feel like it's been going a lot quicker yeah um and yeah getting to the action faster and like less meandering um i think there is like a lot of uh grinding that needs to happen in certain points but I don't know I just really like being in it but I'm in act two right now yeah it's it because the game seems getting is getting more intense

which is surprising yes because I think Hall of Night was just like basically it's still like a gradual maybe intensity but I feel like act two is already just like kind of crazy I remember wanting to ask you what crest are you using because you could have sort of different builds

now you find these crests throughout the world and you start with the hunter's crest I think it is or the Reaper I can't remember which one I'm using the I think I'm using the Reaper I think so too I think it was the second one I found

that's to Pogo directly down instead of diagonal that they were making a stew at the beginning of the game where Hornet goes diagonal and it was very confusing I sometimes go back to that one because your attack is

you have more reach with your attack and it's a little stronger but the platforming is so much harder with that diagonal and somehow I know that I'm supposed to do it a certain way and I can't I can't do it I feel so bad at the day I haven't gone back to that crest at all

I did find a crest that is basically the same moveset as holonite, which is cool. But you have such limited reach that it's not worth it. But then I have this other one too that, like, and you have different, there are different sort of like medallion spaces

that you can unlock. I love, this system is so fun to me. Yeah. Because you don't have all of them available right away, but like you can sometimes put, like you get two blue ones, two yellow ones, and two red ones. The red ones are tools.

Yellow is like, sort of like, passive sort of like abilities and then blue ones are like sort of like active ones where you can have like a shield or like the poison thing that I was talking about earlier and it's just it's really really great and I think it does feel a little bit more the world feels a little bit more rich I think because there's something about the rosary beads to me I'm like okay this this society has religion this is inherently there's a something a little bit more going on here there's like there's something there's it's a little bit meteor for some reason it's very interesting there's definitely more story happening I feel like Hollow Night was

mysterious to the degree where I still don't understand what happened in that story but I think in Silk Song there it's like kind of a clear journey that Hornet is going through and it's like very very fun and she's also very sassy yes oh yeah and she talks too so like sometimes like I just encountered somebody who was like I'll call you this or whatever.

And she goes, you'll call me by my name or nothing at all. Wow. Okay. She's so cool. Have you been to the slab? The slab? Yeah. There's, okay, there's an area called the slab that's like a trap area and then you get

stripped of all your items. I haven't been there. Okay. It's fucked. It's, it rules. But you have no items. So then you're having to navigate this area without like a compass or skills or anything. Whoa.

It's great. It's really fun. Where is that near? I don't remember, but you will find it on accident, which is what I did. Like, oh, interesting. Oh, I'm trapped now. You have to find your way out and get your stuff back and stuff. It's, in many ways, one of the greatest games I've ever played.

It's great. Wow. Yeah. Really, that, like, for Silk Sox, you're saying that at this point. Yeah. That's why. I'm not even done with it. And, like, for Armstrongson right now, who knows if I'll ever finish this damn thing.

But it's just so fucking. good. Yeah. It's the exact, like, it's maybe an unfair benchmark for iteration. Yeah. Like, it's, like, it's, because it's exactly more in every single way. I was, I was, I was talking to my alpha brother, Nate, uh, and he, um, who finished, uh, Hollow Night and I was, you know, I know, I love Hollow Night and I was, he was asking me if I was playing such thing. I was like, I was like, night yet, you know, because of, like, kind of fell off of Hollenight. And he's like, I was like, how about you? And he was like, it was interesting to hear someone was like, like, like, I don't, I don't I don't know, I hear it's like, it's like a fucking even harder.

I don't have patience for it. That like I, that I think that is, that has kind of been circulated so widely that even fans of Hollow Night in some cases are being like, oh, I don't know if I want to tackle this game. Yeah. But it seems both of you is about fans of Hollow Night are saying that so, like, it's Silk Song. If you like the first game, you like Silk Song. And the, the difficulty spike is not enough to, it should not be enough to deter someone who's

a fan of, of, again, the original. I think so, because I think it feels a little bit more rewarding in that way. Like, the difficulty is punishing, but when you do it, the main reward is not throwing your switch across the room. Or your steam deck. Yeah, or your steam deck, yeah. Or, you know, punching your computer monitor or something. Yeah, sure. But it's just, it's spiking your PlayStation like a football, putting your Xbox up your own ass.

You know, the things you might do Taking the Xbox series ass and just being like, No! I'm so pissed. I'll shove this up my own ass. That'll show it. It's just an incredible game. And it looks fantastic too.

There's just always a lot going on in each area. And all the little bugs, they're nasty nobody likes bugs no before we move into the main topic I'm surprised that we haven't talked about the 10 year plan of Kojima Productions

conference that happened last week did either of you get a chance to watch it I didn't watch it but I watched the trailer for OD I watched the trailer for OD knock which seemed cool seemed very PT yeah but it's also like it also very well could not be like that

right like uh it it it it wouldn't surprise me if he like made some of it intentionally to evoke that in the same way that like solid snake is basically in death stranding too um he was testing the waters uh with that now and now maybe doing again with this um that it looks it looks cool it looks very real yes like the the animations on the hands when you're lighting the matches in the in the

the demo trailer real thing were upsettingly visually realistic yeah i don't know it it seems it seems cool fizzant a lot of people have already uh um sort of uh re-scanned and re-res the poster a million times to see who the star of fizzant is and it seems like it might be robert patinson jesus christ uh because it like if you blow up the brightness on the on the on the post Like 10 billion percent sure looks like Robert Pattinson in that picture that poster really cool. Yeah. I know fandom is sweaty. I love Robert Patton's I think he makes such great choices. He's such a good actor. I love him. I'm such a huge fan. I love him. I love Austin Butler too. I'm such a fan of Austin Butler. I think he's so we love Austin Butler. When you weren't here last week, we did a Segma Dreamcast for Final Fantasy 7 and where did we cast? Did we cast? Did we cast? Did we cast? I think we cast him as cloud. We're like, it's honestly kind of good. It's very fun, like, especially now that I'm older than a lot of these actors, just

like, man, I love that guy. He's so cool. That's the thing about him. He seems so fucking cool. He's good. He makes good choices. He has good taste. It's very, very interesting.

I'm glad that there's like somebody, like a cool movie star. I watch, I walk by a five eyes of this fucking annoying, it's this annoying high-end mall, but it's got like a really good movie theater. or so like we go there sometimes and there I was walking either they had a fucking it was one of those luxury watch brands yeah and I walk by it was like one of those stores uh with I just like I don't know who like how are there possibly enough customers for like all these fucking what like watch brands yeah and jewelry stores they're at these like luxury malls but whatever the fuck I'm walking by it and then there's like two displays there's one is um uh like one is Austin Butler wearing a watch where one of the watches and the other one is um um a multi-time NBA MVP and champion Janice Entadagumpo of where I go watch. She was like, he's so handsome and he's so cool. I look at him when he's like, I can get always watch. I was so like easily persuaded.

Yeah. No, I mean, it kind of makes 100%. I look like that now, too. I'm one of these guys. You've just described why everybody then bought the drive jacket. Yeah, yeah. So, like, man, that's the hottest guy I've ever seen. Are you kidding me?

He looks fucking awesome. I'm going to get a jacket like that and also be hot, I guess. I would love nothing more to play a video game where you star as Robert Patton. Yeah, that'd be fucking awesome. Yeah, pretty dope.

He would honestly be kind of a good cloud. I know that we're not doing the segment anymore. He'd be an interesting cloud. He would be an interesting cloud. I think he's a little older than cloud. That's the whole thing. It's just like, you know, all these guys are,

They're teenagers, basically. You cast up a little bit, but... Yeah. Anyway. No. That's from last week. We're not doing it anymore. That was from last...

That was a week ago. We already talked about it. Physically, if it was young... Back in the twilight area, it could have been like a squall Leonhardt, maybe, you know? Oh, yeah. That could have... We're going to find a... Well, no, no.

We'll save it for a future one. For future one. And we'll do cast Young Edition. Anything else you want to say about the Kojima reveal? No, I just thought it was a... It was a cool event, and... Yeah. I like, I don't know, I like watching those events.

I like, I like Nintendo Directs. I like Sony State of Plays. I like that Kojima Productions is now doing their own. Like, here's what's coming. I like all of it so much. I think I respond well to pomp in circumstance too. Yeah. Like even if it's artificial, I'm always like, oh, look, this seems important.

How about that? Yeah. Oh, they're showing me the new phone. I got to see the new phone. Show me the new phone. I love the new. phone events. I love them. It's great. Though I really, really, really miss the stage presentation on the phone

events. Get somebody out in a fucking turtleneck and show me the goddamn computer. Because there's like all of the splashy like drone shots of the phone. It's like, okay, what I want is the best marketing moment that I saw in my adult life was when Steve Jobs pulled the I'm the the the Mac air out of the envelope yeah and like he's like yeah you know I've got I've actually got the Mac air here and he went over to the podium and he picked up an envelope yeah and went and people start going oh oh and he unwraps the envelope and slides it out of the manila envelope like can you imagine how much that guy screamed at people until it fit in that manila envelope yeah sure getting a custom made envelope yeah he must have

screamed until like people were like like giving themselves diarrhea yeah it makes me wish that I must have screamed like someone made eye conduct with Ellen DeGeneres I wish um uh James Cameron writing an S and turning it into a dollar sign on a on a on a whiteboard in a in a meeting was televised that'd be cool thing to say I would have loved to see it yeah I love those moments of a of a pure sale yeah like fucking if if you're going to do capital at least give us the pure moments of like somebody being like got milk and the room goes oh my god yeah is that why i liked the movie air so much because i'm like oh it's the shoes at some level i mean yeah it's like you know it's that there isn't a like we've been marketed

to so much in our lives that we're now nostalgic for marketing yeah and so i think that was part of the genius of that movie is just like, oh, yeah, we all remember being excited about Jordan sneakers and like, looking at the ads for them and whatever, you know, even if you're too, I'm of the generation where I remember Michael Jordan being in the NBA as a kid and, you know, remember like all those ads or whatever. But even if you're, you're too young for that, you like know about Jordan the brand. Right. So like, you know, it's like, yeah, it's fucking, it's fucking weird.

It's crazy. I think that's, we love capital. so much that that's why Mad Men was a success. Yeah, sure. You just want to see somebody be really good at their job and you want that job to be advertising. Yeah, because there's some mystique you sort of bought into this

this thing that you're like, oh, whoever came up with Got Milk or, you know, Coca-Cola and Joy is a genius. And it's just like some sweaty guy in an office probably just being like, I don't know, got milk. Probably just like that. Fuck, I don't know. Fuck. I forgot to do something

today. Should we talk more broadly about Greek mythology? Yeah, I do like how this discussion is going to lead, like, directly into, like, an athletic greens ad or something. Us doing an ad for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, let's talk about Greek myths in games. I mean, like, you know, Hades and Hades, too, we obviously is our starting point here.

But, you know, I think kind of the apex of this is the Hades franchise and the God of War franchise. Yeah. Those are those are the two big ones that seem to hit the right balance of honoring the what's at the core, what's true, what's real about these in the sense of what's established, you know, mythology in this canon. but then also like in like it expanding it uh adding their own like specifics remixing it where appropriate uh i mean like like and and god of war obviously expands beyond the Greek myths to uh you know mythology of of uh to Norse mythology as well yeah and like uh and and and Hades Hades I should also say when we go to the other aspects that you get as you unlock additional weapons there will be other aspects from from other myths from other you know cultures as well oh cool so that does that that is a that is an element in the first game at

least um i do so i've said this before but i was so into greek mythology as a kid that when um honestly partly due to probably disney's hercules which is like a very sort of watered down like version of it but that was probably my first exposure to the story of hercules and obviously the clumps yeah the clumps too yeah of course that was a lot of people's on on ramps. I was like, what are they talking about? Who's his Hercules? I have to sort of then look into it. Man, they should

do another clumps. Boy, would a new clumps be good? I don't know. I think it might fix everything. It could, because could that be what makes things so gets Eddie Murphy back on track? I don't know. The teaser, I can see the teaser right now. Everybody's sitting down for the table. Or no. The grandpa is like dead probably at this point.

So they're all at the funeral. somebody rips ass at the funeral and then they all start doing it yeah I mean that feels like that would be it's a natural set piece if you if you want that is your way into the new clumps um the film

I I think the thing is you get Eddie Murphy has recently done what he did he did Axel F and then he also did coming to America that's right and he's coming he's reprising donkey and he's reprising donkey and Shrek so like he is returning to

some, some old IP, I, you know, I think people have different opinions on these, but I wasn't like particularly thrilled by either of those recent, you know, the legacy sequels, you know, like, I don't, I mean, and so I don't know, do we, do we really think that, you know, a clumps movie, uh, with Eddie Murphy at this stage in his career would be something that he would like give his all, you know, like, or would it be the kind of a weird like Amazon paycheck movie that would be kind of a weird Yeah. Like like not really like a

like an approximation of what you liked about the originals. It would be, it would be cynical from the jump. Yeah, yeah. And it would have no ounce of joy. There would be a bit of a bummer and so I would supplement it. And who would you, who would be do a new clump? Like who would you trust to get to take over the clumps franchise, you know? I don't know, but you got to get like a

A Kiki Palmer clump would be pretty good. I could see that, yeah, doing something like that i it's it's it's you'd have to i guess the way is you'd have to be a nutty professor first right that would have to be your your on ramp before you get to the clumps yeah yeah so it's the clumps are in nutty professor one yeah yeah and then nutty professor two is the is clumps focused yes yeah yeah yeah meet the clumps is sort of it's like uh it's more about them that it is about the nutty professor about sherman then he takes the the grandpa takes the serum and makes some young and a horny again.

Yes, yeah. I think that a provocative clumps reboot or sequel would be a black box style production where Eddie Murphy still plays multiple characters, but he is wearing the same black leotard and no makeup for all of the characters, and it takes place inside of a black room. I'd be interested in watching it. That'd be fun. Just to see how he gets to who he has to be.

Yeah, that is an acting exercise. It'd be great. So, yeah, Disney and Hercules and the Clumps. The Clumps, of course, were my entry points into Greek mythology. But I actually have an earlier entry that I probably would have seen before even the Disney Hercules, which was Herk's Adventure, the video game Herk's Adventure. You know what? Somehow in my list of Greek games, Greek mythology games, I missed Herks Adventure, but I do remember Herks Adventure. It's a PlayStation LucasArts game.

Yes, yeah. And I don't know how or why my brothers and I got like into that game, but we, I mean, it's funny. The game is funny. Yeah. So we just kind of liked that he was this like silly guy, a silly big buff guy and enjoyed it. But like I haven't, I hadn't thought about the game in like 30 years, almost practically, probably like 27 years. years if I'm being more accurate, but I hadn't thought about it until we started talking about this, but we must have rented it. I know we played it on the, there was like a PlayStation

underground demo disc that I had that had it on there or something. And then we would have rented the game at Hollywood video and couldn't understand how to play or like what to do, but I had played enough of it that I was like, that game is now stuck in my brain forever. Yeah, Herc's Adventure. and then obviously Disney's Hercules would be in all the Kingdom Hearts games, I think. Yep. I think he's in all of them. Because of the Colosseum. Yes.

I want to shout out that myths and gods are so prevalent in games that there has been a Fortnite season dedicated to Greek gods. That's right. It's called Myths and Mortals. It was from March 8th, 2024 to May 24th, 2024, so a little more than a year and a half. ago. And in it, you had to fight against the gods on the fortnight island. You had to fight against Zeus. You had to fight against Hades and claim their powers as your own. And a lot of the weaponry was also like Greek god inspired. You could throw lightning bolts. You could, there were these chains

that were called the chains of Hades that you could whip people with. You had to do quests for Medusa, another game where Medusa's in the game. And because of the way skins work in Fortnite. It is also one of the few games where you can play as Medusa when you are the looper. Artemis was in the game. Serberus was in the game. It was, I don't know, it was one of my favorite seasons extremely well-balanced and incredible POIs. So, you know, even Fortnite has done great gods. Serberus, the most famous dog. We can't do this. Why can't we do this? we can't because

I think it's an impossible question to answer well I mean just like I'm like trying to think of Air Bud yeah AirBud sure um Beethoven there's some recency bias here but yeah sure

I guess what I guess what I'm thinking in terms of famous Clifford Clifford's a good candidate I mean there's you also got like a Marmaduke you got like an Odie Garfield's buddy What was Biden's dog's name bit everybody? Oh yeah

I know what you mean yeah yeah bit the shit out of people like they like ban it from the white house or something or like people just couldn't be around it I think they gave him a cabinet position in the new administration it was um

yeah cat's outlawed there's Hotchiko you know that right the dog who waited for his you know there for his owner that that famous dog inspired the Futurama episode there's a Laika sure the RAP

the first dog in space. There's also Fenrir, who is both the motorcycle of cloud, but also the dog of Norse mythology. That's right. You know. Sort of a competing mythology dog. Yeah, yeah. You got multiple mythology dogs.

You got the big dog. Well, yeah, the big dog. I'm kind of bummed out. I think the big dog went the way we didn't want it to go. I looked into it recently and I was like, I don't know what this one's holding up. I think Goofy is probably the most famous dog. Oh, Goofy.

Goofy the, maybe it might be the, um, is Goofy the most famous dog? Goofy of Pluto? Snoopy. Yeah. Oh, what, everyone forgets about Snoopy. Snoopy's cute. Snoopy's so famous worldwide. Yeah, Snoopy's the most famous dog.

You see him sleeping? Yeah, he's so cute. There it is. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What about Snoopy as a baby? Cute. That's good stuff. I love Snoopy as a baby.

but Cerberus I think you recently said that the thing you like about Cerberus is that he has three heads. I think it's cool that he has three heads. I mean it's kind of like a core, it's an obvious observation. It's the core element of Serbis which makes Cerberus service, but having three different heads is cool. It's the same

as thinking Austin Butler is good because he's like handsome and good. Yeah. Hey, I'm a dumb guy. You're like, hey, this guy's good. I like him because he's handsome. A simple man. Richel

I feel like you're the dog authority here is the dog whisper growing up in a home with 13 dogs. Do you have a candidate for the most famous dog? Who do you think of who's top of mind for you? Wait, did you guys say Scooby-Doo? We did not say Scooby-Doo. That's a good candidate. Guys, should we play Family Feud? Good answer.

Good answer. That's some good answer. Scooby-Doo is good. Who would fill out, the four of us who would fill out our team. We need one more. We need five? I think it's five for Family Feud, yeah. I guess the Resident Evil 4 Merchant or something.

I got to be on Family Feud once, and it was a very weird experience. What was your, what was the context of it? So it was Family, Family Feud, but it was Celebrity Family Feud. Got it. And Drew Carey chose his family from his, like, friends and coworkers. And so I was in Drew's family. and I think actually we went up against Kevin Neelan's team. Wow.

It's been a minute. Yeah. And it was surprisingly stressful, even though you're like, well, I don't really give a shit about any of this. Yeah. Was it Steve Harvey? Yeah. Oh, man. Steve Harvey. Steve Harvey, Kevin Neelan, Drew Carey.

Everybody else I was there? I would have been laughing my ass out. It was good stuff. It was wild, though, to go up and press the button and be like, oh, God, what if I press this too slowly? Yeah. And then my team is disappointed in me. Right, right. I'd rather press it too slowly than say something that makes Steve Harvey lose this fucking mind.

You've got a, like, like, because during the WGA strike, I got to know, I'm very lucky to get to know the Jeopardy writing staff. And it was interesting talking to them about, like, because quiz show. laws exist. And so game shows are very strictly policed. I guess one of the only things that's still regulated. But like there's like things, my understanding is there's things like the host can't really talk to you backstage or anything like that. Right. It's like you don't talk to them until you're out there because they can't be like, oh, well, then there's the suggestion that they were maybe coaching you, telling you what the answers or the questions are going to be, what the answers could be, you know, whatever. Like, like it's all got to be above board.

to that degree. Was your experience, like, was that part of the stress? It felt like a... I mean, it did feel... A little stringent? It was just very formal. Yeah.

But also not incredibly... Like, there was an assumption that you knew what you were doing. Okay. Like, there wasn't like anybody who came over and explained the rules of family feud to you. You just had to, like, go for it.

Push the button and say some shit. Let's get out there and have a fun time. Yeah. I don't know. It was a... I've never been on any other game show. And that was a very weird. We lost.

We lost. To the Nieland. But it was still a good time. Growing up in Southern California, Matt, I don't know if you ever experienced this. But like for school, as part of school fundraisers, we would sometimes, and this happened in Boy Scouts too, the whole, because if you're in a studio audience, you get paid per head. And so they'd be like, hey, let's take this whole, the whole middle school over to a taping of something. we're going to get some money for everyone who's in the audience and then that will be used to like, you know, make sure the school has an art department or something. So like, like, you know, we would, I went to a one of those was going to a family feud taping when I was like, you know, 11 years old or something like that.

And it was interesting to experience for me like that was, I think that was maybe my first TV taping just seeing how they did during the downtime and just seeing like the one. warm-up guy come out and me being like, this guy's great. He's so, he's being funny, you know? Like, not realizing that was part of the experience, you know? I used to go to, like, tapings, like, for fun, like, just, like, you know, in college or whatever. And then the first, like, comedy, like, show taping that I went to, the, um, the warm-up comic was the late Brody Stevens.

Oh, my God. One of the funniest, all right thing. One of the funniest people I've ever seen in my fucking life that then I, like, got my family to come with me. I was like, we have to see this guy. You guys are going to lose it. And he wouldn't stop playing like the drums on the back of my mom's chair. And she was getting so scared.

He used to do this thing where he'd just like have drumsticks and he had the music play really. He's just like a big like you know, he was like a energy. Just a big energy. Positive energy. Positive push. Yes. You got it. And he would like guess he would tell you your high school's baseball team's

name. He was so funny And I love seeing him around so much And then I would see him And I'd see Jimmy Pardo at Conan And stuff Oh man,

Parto, so one of the guys One of the greats I remember I wrote for at midnight For many years And this old Comedy Central show And panel show Disguided the game show

And Brody Stevens for a time Was the warm up guy Warmup comic And it was just like man This guy's so fucking funny Yeah Yeah And it's such, I was a warm up, I did warm up one day of my, of my life.

That was, and it was like a hardest day ever worked. I was like, I can't, these guys are fucking champion. It's so, because then it's, it's for hours. It's for hours, you're just got to be, you just got to get people's energy up and you're just riffing. You're just like, we're like, you know, a lot of it is just doing crowd work. And there are people that are bad at it. There are people like, like, like, you go and you're just like, oh, this, this

experience is miserable for everybody. This is deflating the audience. This is bringing everyone's energy down. It's having the hours. Opposite effect yeah but no he was he was so good at it the best so funny one one quick Brody Stevens thing I remember from a taping was There was a time there was like a moment when the audience had to be like quiet for something it was like we should be quiet Like everyone very quiet focus in Brody stevens.com

There's nobody there will never be anybody ever like him ever again. He was a true Just magic man I was wearing a I was wearing a The record label Sub Pop I'm wearing a hat that said subpop on it I got at the Seattle Airport or whatever

And he comes into the old Year Wolf office One day wearing a subpop t-shirt And he goes, look at us The Sub Pop Brothers So good The best I'm Yeah

Just a very funny guy Who everybody misses It was a great guy. Back to Greek mythology for a second. Yes. I feel like we should have got this out there real quick. What? Does everybody have a favorite?

Favorite Greek god or favorite Greek myth? Greek myth game? Oh. What are you looking for here? Favorite what? Ice cream? Cookie? What's everybody's favorite?

I guess like favorite, yeah, maybe favorite Greek myth or favorite just like Greek god in general? This is a great question. I mean, like, the, the, there's so sprawling. There's so many. I'm just, I've always been fascinated by, like, I like the, I like the word that tantalize comes from tantalus. Oh, yeah. And I like the tantalus, like, I just like, I, I guess, I guess I, you were talking to Hades.

I do like a lot of the ironic punishments. I just think that's like a really interesting thing. Yeah. But, you know, tantalus being punished in the sense of like having a thirst that never. goes away and then a pool of water and then every time he gets closer it shrinks. Yeah, a lot of water stuff. That's fucked up, first off. That would suck.

I hate for that to be my torment. Yeah. Give me that boulder to push up any day. But yeah, I guess also like Sisyphus, who I just alluded to, is just like pretty fucking good. I'm kind of a metaphor for life. My favorite part about Sisyphus is that his punishment was because he was smarter than the gods.

Yes, right. Yeah. Like what's great about him as a story is it is how you feel in most workplaces. Like, if you're smarter than your boss, you're punished. Right. You know, like if you're, and that's not my experience in my current job, but I've had jobs in the past where it's like, oh, wow, look at you.

You really, you fix the header and footer in that. How about you do that for all the documents? Right. And it's like, what the fuck? Like, that is such a nice window into the experience of being better than management. and then being punished for being better than management. Oh, oh, you tricked Hades? How about you roll this rock forever?

Don't you do that fucking shit again, okay? Fuck you. I think Poseidon's pretty tight. Poseidon's dope. Yeah. The whole ocean? Having water is your domain is pretty good. That's pretty sick.

Yeah. We're so close with the Marvel movies to having just like Greek God movies. It's a shame we don't just have straight up Greek God movies. Like where you have like the solo Zeus movie And then you see him in action in a different story I wonder you know we got the we got the Christopher Nolan Odyssey coming up So maybe we'll see it'll start to see that story Come back a little more boy

Fucking wait Give me that broth Yeah I want that stew Give me that thick bearded Matt Damon That's what I'm looking for Yeah Yeah

Man that's gonna be good shit What about you Matt Poseidon of course I guess I like this sort of like the I'm kind of basic like that I think Hades is like a cool, interesting, you know, he's bad, but he's got domain over hell. Yep. Kind of the opposite of water.

Yeah. Yeah. I love Medusa. Medusa is my favorite. Yeah. Dionys is kind of like a party animal. Yeah. You know, that's very fun.

How wild is it? To come up with these stories thousands of years ago and for this shit to still be, like, valid. It kind of goes hard. Like it's like some of it's extremely tight There's like some crazy bad stuff Yeah too But like every sort of story like that But it's interesting that like

I guess when I was a kid I didn't realize this That like at this point At some point This was Religion until Christianity came around or something So like it like It's supplanted You know Christianity comes around

Like oh like we don't believe this anymore This is not true But for a time Who knows how long This was like what people believed And I think it's just interesting that it could If the stories were this good

man I might be down you might catch me in a fucking church if the stories were this good. Christianity is so fascinating the way that it's memetic qualities function because it does really go in and take

over a ton of different like the same thing happens to the Vikings right the Vikings have their own fucking pantheon of gods and their own stories and then Christianity moves in and they're all like oh wow Thor's Hammer kind of looks like a cross we could just extend our little necklace a little bit longer and now now it's a cross like it's it's I don't know it's fascinating it because it you don't know what it is about the story that

makes it certainly it seems like a simpler story than oh man and then there's this guy who's a bull in the middle of a maze yeah right like it's oh the minotaur is cool too minotaur is really cool yeah but like it's like no no there's a guy he comes down, he preaches peace, and then he's killed by the government. Yeah. Like, it's weird that that's like the story that, like, really hooked everybody when their other stories are so flashy. Loki turned into a horse and he fucked another horse.

Yes, right. I got to see what that's like. I got to turn into one real quick. That I'm always, anytime there's something like that of just like, like, like, I got tricked because a god turned into an ox and I got fucked by the ox. I was like, wait a minute. Hold on. Wait a minute.

Yeah, so wait. you were just, you were there to get fuck. I was there to have sexual of a regular ox. And it was like, God in disguise. Isn't that what happened with Zeus? Doesn't he turn into a swan and fuck somebody? He does a lot of that. There's a lot of, man.

There's a lot of, like, a lot of these guys were, like, extremely horny guys. Well, that's the other thing. The Greek myths being super duper horny is fun. And that's fun that Hades leans into it. I mean, the God of War series would acknowledge that as well, you know. I mean, God of War is horny. It's pretty horny. You press X to thump.

You press triangle to make her go, ooh. I think. You press circle to make the candle on the table go bonk. I think the games have sex in them, but I don't think they're horny. They're sort of like. Yeah, that's interesting. They're sexual but not sensual. Yeah, but there's not like any sort of eroticism.

Right. He approaches sex with a woman the way you would moving. a table into a different room. Yes, yeah. Yes. Yeah. And he's such, such an angry guy, and he's like, I got to get this, this rage out somehow. I got to fuck it out of myself.

Yeah. I guess I'm still pissed. It didn't work. And he goes on, and he kills a bunch of guys. Yeah. And he screams from the ground up to Zeus, which is really, which is awesome, which is really cool. I was so what we're talking about medusa medusas are a presence in castlevania so that's a you know there's definitely some Greek myth stuff that makes its way into the Castlevania franchise but you mentioned this

earlier Heather for me my way in was kid icarus on any ass that was the first time I felt like I saw this really acknowledged in depth and that one is just so it's so like light and silly and it doesn't have like I don't think palutana is an actual god I think that's just you know like Medusa is a presence in it. but there's also like the eggplant wizard, you know. And I always wish that franchise had more legs because I do like the original. You revisited now on an emulator and it's like, okay, this is maybe better in my memory. This isn't like as fleshed out as like a Metroid or something like that.

This doesn't, this is a little bit more linear than that. So the labyrinth levels have a little bit more depth to them. But there's, there's, there's not a lot of like, there's not a, there's not a, a ton to this game and some of it is a little bit annoying some of the platforming in particular. The final level of that game is really fun

because it is just like once you eventually get equipped with everything, you get all the shit and then you go to that final level and it just is basically a schmup. You're just going through, you know, the continuous scrolling thing and then you know, like beating the big boss of the end of which I can't remember. Is it a big fucking

Medusa? Who the fuck is the final boss of Kid Acres? Either way. It's plant wizard? No, it's not an eggplant wizard. There are a lot of eggplant wizards of the game, but it's not a big eggplant wizard. It's a big something. I think it might be a big Medusa or a big centaur, something you shoot in the eye. But that game I always felt was really, really fun.

And then when they brought, you know, Pitt back for Smash Brothers. I love that. I do wish the Icarus game that came out for the DS. Kid Icarus Uprising. Yeah, I wish that was a, was that DS or 3DS? 3DS, yeah, 3DS. I wish that one was a little bit more compelling, had a little bit more to it. But I was glad they at least tried something with the franchise again.

There's an Assassin's Creed game that is Assassin's Creed Odyssey, which is a major investigation of the Greek gods and the Greek myths and Sparta and ancient Greece. I have not dabbled in it. I keep waiting for the moment. Like, I am such the target audience for the meme of like how often do you think about ancient Rome. Yeah. Like, I'm so ready to be interested in ancient Rome, but the only ancient Rome book I have, I've read is daily life in ancient Rome, which is just like a textbook of like what happened. But like the famous book series, the rise and fall of ancient Rome, like all of these things are so, they're right there. I just need to be excited and interested in engaging.

with it because as it is i read like one viking history book a month right so like i but you could you could get there i could get there but and it's really neat also how much of the viking world is like walking over the ruins of rome and how close rome was to the the viking era because it's like starts in like 800 900 so like now we view those ruins as like wow those are so old but this was more like who built these roads yeah you know like there are a lot of roads everywhere who built these roads right that's a different fascinating way to engage with history as like a mystery instead of like an investigation like the difference between those two things yeah yeah it seems semantic but i feel like it's like now you would dig a hole and you'd be like oh this this bead

changes our relationship to what we thought was going on in this region. But at the time, people would be like, how this beat get here? Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting to think about. A game that I want to shout out, which is both, which is a pretty recent, 2021, it came out.

And it was, you know, one of my favorite games of that year. It was originally a Skyrim mod that got turned into a full game called the Forgotten City. This game is set in, it's set in a, like, it's set in a, like, you know, like, like a Roman sort of ruins sort of time. So I guess it's not exactly Greek myth, but it does have a lot of that because, so the way the game is set up that there is a thing established

called the Golden Rule and what that means is basically equal punishment. So everyone is punished for any sort of crime. And as such, basically like society is so fragile because it's just like, like the, again, if you're just going to punish everybody, it's it's things are completely unsustainable uh so basically what you're doing is you're going through this this sort of time loop thing and there's a bunch of individuals where who are uh gold who are like golden statues um i'm sorry there's a bunch of golden statues there and basically if

one person commits a sin in the society everyone gets turned into golden statues and the time loop restarts but what's really interesting about this game is as it progresses and i think the i found the ending so super duper sad is it starts to dig into like like first off you figure out what the mystery you figure out that like one guy who seems like benevolent is actually like this this this evil over you know overseer who's engineered this whole society basically for his own hedonistic pleasures uh if you figure out how to get to the good ending uh the canon ending uh you get a bunch of context in terms of like where what first off fully explains everything that's happening which is great because that doesn't always happen in a game like this. But then also it goes through Roman myths and then takes that back to how so much of that is owed to Greek myth, which itself is owed to Egyptian myth, which is also owned to Sumerian myths.

Oh, cool. And so it just like basically stacks all these things on top of each other and just sort of like directly explains the origins and all these things were basically, you know, taken from one society to the next and kind of reappropriated and remixed for everyone's own designs. until they both informed but also were shaped to fit the social wars of that particular culture. And it's just an awesome ending and it's got a great little epilogue. It's a really, really satisfying game that has just got a great story to it and does a great job of just like really digging into just what's interesting about the core of all of these shared myths. Interesting.

I love that game. I remember when that game, yeah, was new, you talked about it. I remember being interested in it. I'll have to check it out. If you guys could time travel to any ancient time with like a full backpack of antibiotics, et cetera. Yeah, and you got a gun. Yeah.

And you got to spend one week there. And you were, you were, you have enough safety equipment and some kind of universal translator mechanic. Yeah. What era would you want to be dropped in? So we're talking human history. We're not talking like, you know, I got to see some fucking dinosaurs. No, we're talking human history. Human history.

Okay. Human history. They would like to see some dinosaurs. What era of civilization? You're putting an interesting little space in between those. I don't know. You're having a little fun? Yeah.

I'm not. I think both dino and then it was like, I had the sword at the end of it. Have there ever been dino-s swords? Fuck, dino swords. Holy fucking shit. Jesus Christ. We have to cut this out. It's simply too good of an idea to put it in a podcast.

It cannot be in the show. That's so good. We've got to clip this out and mail it to ourselves. That's yours. Obviously, we get a piece. But it's like, get ready to be the richest person on Earth. Are these reptilians blades or are these like swords that are wielded by dinosaurs? Well, either it's blades wielded by dinosaurs or it's blades infused with dinosaur power.

Oh, that's awesome. Fucking T-Rex blade is like a big, like, Zvi-Hander, two-handed blade. Yeah. Or you can have like little nimble Dinaecus, like, those are dinosaurs. A big spiked one, like a... Oh, fuck, yeah.

What's that called? Segosaurus? Yeah. Yeah, you get that... Sego-swardus? Yeah, it's here's the thing. They're all good. Oh, man.

You got the three-bladed triceratops sword. Oh, fuck. Taranosaurus-Rex. Taranosauris Rex is really good. This is good. Brontosaurus. It's so good. It's just like a fucking huge, like a slate of granite.

Do we call the president of Hollywood or something? How do we? This should be made. It's a perfect Saturday and morning cartoon. It's really fucking good. Dinosaurs. Dinosaurs. It has to exist.

I should Google it. We should end the episode. Go make these. Yeah, it's, it's, okay, let's answer Heather's question. Going back in time, anytime in human history imagine we're going to be safe and we just get to

experience it. Boy, hmm. Well, the stuff that I would want to go see you have to then suppose is real. Sure. Guys, it exists. Dinosaurids is real.

Honestly, it's about as good as I thought. Yeah, that looks pretty good. That's pretty good. Dinosaurids looks like a ninja turtles knock off almost. It's got got five dinosaurs all in different. What I like about this is they're in different armor.

You've got like, you've got like a Roman gladiator dinosaur, but you've also got like a medieval dinosaur. You have like a karate dinosaur. Like it's, I, I dig that. It's really good. We were exactly right to be as hyped about the idea as we were because it's a great idea. It is a really good idea. Dinosaurs republishing the 1990s comic book adventures of the.

Dinosaurs, created by international comic artist and writer Tim Perkins. It's a black and white all ages comic. Yeah, it exists. It exists. Dinosaurs. I am going to pick something that's maybe too recent, but I would love to go back and experience what it was like at NASA and or maybe even more. so to experience what it was like at the Soviet space program in

the early days of the space race and see what that was like to just like sort of be in that facility and be in one of those facilities and just see everyone brainstorming and engineering shit. A lot of that happening pre-computers in the very, very early computing age

it would be fascinated to see what that process was like. Yeah. There's also a dinosaurs video game. Oh, my God. Wow. Yeah. Wow.

Um, I guess I would go back, I don't know, the 90s or something. Yeah, 90s is a good answer. I like, why don't get to be an adult in the 90s? It'd be interesting to experience the time that I lived through. That would be interesting to be an adult in the period when you were a kid. Yeah. Like, what would it be like to be fully grown in like 1990? Yeah.

It's a lot of smoking indoors. Fuck, man. Sounds good. I'm in. I like, it is kind of crazy to me to think that I do remember. restaurants where you could smoke at the restaurant. It kind of seems like it was like before my time and it simply was

not. Like you could just do it. Yeah. Me being, uh, me going back in time as a full adult in the 1990s knowing what I know now and then 10 years later buying a ticket to get on United 93. Isn't that the one that like lands okay? No.

No. No. The one where they have to charge the cockpit supposedly Heather what's your answer I like your answer Wager because I like the idea of being in a room where they're like I think we just need to use tape

yeah right yeah like there there were so many choices where it was like well fuck we don't have time pencils and tape everybody pencils and tape um I do think my answer would be I'd be way too scared to go to Vinekake times but I'd be fucking terrified

I would just I don't think I could do it. No. I'd be okay. I do think it would be interesting to go to... Not a whole lot of places I could go back. I could go anywhere. I do think it would be interesting to go to ancient Rome.

Just to be like, how clean was it? My biggest curiosity is, there are varying scales of litter in cities currently on Earth, right? Like, Tokyo is an extremely. clean city. Singapore, an extremely clean city from what I can see on TikTok. Los Angeles, filthy fucking city. Yeah. You know, and I think L.A. is probably somewhere

in the middle on cities. I want to know if ancient Roman cities were, like, clean. Because also, there's not a ton of fucking plastic and boxes and shit. So, like, what would make the city dirty other than human shit? Well, I was going to say, yeah,

we do know that they... They wiped their asses with communal shit spun. That's a thing that is in Forgotten City. Yeah. Right. Right. But otherwise, streets must have been pretty clean, right?

I don't care how it's clean the streets are. If everybody's got shitty asses with other people's shit in it. Nasty. I would, one thing I would, I would just be interested in because, you know, I'm a, I'm not the, the tallest man I know, but I'm a pretty big guy. I'm 6'1 or, you know, what was that, 186 centimeters? It would be interesting, because I think basically any time prior to the 20th century, I would just be like pretty much the biggest guy in any society. Yeah.

So that'd be kind of fun to go and just be like a circus freak. You'd be like that really tall guy from Mother Three? Yeah, yeah. That guy's fucking huge. Look at this tall guy. Average height for men was like five foot three or something like that. Man. Fucking crazy.

I would have been a fucking king. Even I would be, like, I would have been like the tall. Like the tallest woman. We would all be big. We would all be big. We'd all be on the tall side. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy to think about.

Oh, man, take me back. I feel like we should shout out, because you talked about persona, Heather. Persona is a game that has like a lot of, you know, Greek, like God elements, like, you know, Hermes, Artemis, like, show up in Persona series. Final Fantasy series is the same sort of thing. There's a lot of, like, you know, like some of those same sort of references. or are used in summons. So this is a thing that does happen and it does happen in a lot of games, even if it's just like kind of borrowed for borrowed names or whatever.

But I do want to shout out a couple of more games that maybe just I played, but the Heroes of Might and Magic series used to have a lot of mythological units in them. They would have like, like those were these tactical, tactical strategy games, these small skirmish battles and then to also mix with some. grand strategy, some cities building elements, but they were really fun. But yeah, they would have like Pegasuses in them. And, you know, like they would have, there would be a bunch of Pegasai, I guess. There would be a bunch of those sorts of like things pulled from Greek mythology. But another game that I played some of and I did enjoy when I was looking for Diablo clones as

Titan Quest. A Titan Quest was a basically just like another Diablo, but it used like the, the sort of Greek pastiche. I came up with a joke for you guys. Yeah, go for it you were really excited about it when i saw you realize it i was like oh i think this is is their format okay um what what do you call uh a horse that looks like he's just done something wrong um i don't know what he would call him yeah pegasus pretty good that is pretty good i do like it i like it a lot good job heather thank you winged horse is cool is pegas is cooler than unicorn no you like unicorn more It's the best horse all.

Why is unicorn the best horse? I'm sorry. Why is unicorn the best horse? Why is unicorn the best horse? Yeah. I don't think it's as good as Pegasus. I like Pegas has got wings. Well, that's because you're men.

Oh, interesting. The unicorn is specifically like a being that is related to the female divine. Like the unicorn appears to maidens. guides maidens, protects maidens, and is generally hunted by men. But it's also like a being, there's a phrase in the book, the last unicorn that I'm so fixated on, which is that they're talking to a unicorn and the unicorn's like, I don't know what regret is.

And I was like, God. The unicorns can talk, yeah. Wow, I didn't know about that. I maybe have to change my answer. Unicorns can talk. They can like grant wishes. Wishes? Yep.

They're like, they are gods. They're the horse god is the unicorn, whereas Pegasus is a mount. That's a good case. It's a strong argument. I do like that there's a bunch of animals that are just like, or a bunch of mythological creatures, they're just like a bunch of animals crammed together. Yeah, that is pretty good.

That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah. I like that a centaur's just a guy kind of. Yeah, just a guy with like a horse body. That's pretty good. Mermaid Mermaid good, too

What if you just jam a fish On the end of a woman Jam I have to shout out God of War II As my favorite God of War From the earlier series God of War III

Unbelievable, great game But God of War II You get to kill As with all the games You get to kill a bunch of gods But you get to like take their shit and use their stuff and, like, use their, like, abilities against them. And I just think, like, you get wings, you get to become fast.

You get a Medusa head and stuff like that. It rocks. It's, like, it's just, it's really, really cool. The Mega Man approach. The Mega Man formula. It is the Mega Man thing. Endores for the reason. It's great.

Very satisfying. I love it. Oh, you're using this against me? Well, now I'm going to use it. Yeah, oh, yeah. It's mine now. It's mine. Give me that.

Yeah. Get equipped with bubble lead. Here we go. Bubble lead? Is it? bubble letter bubble lead well you know i've never heard it said aloud we'll have to ask megaman i'm just thinking about unicorns now and how cool they are there's a there's a moment in the last unicorn the film where uh which is like a 1970s film that um uh a lot of the animators went forward

and became studio jibli oh um but uh this unicorn shows up to this woman and she's like in her 30s i think maybe she's 29 and she is so upset she's like how could you come to me now when i You're supposed to appear to me when I'm a young woman, when I have all the promise, and how dare you come to me now? And the unicorn's like, I'm sorry, I don't know anything about anything. I'm just a fucking horse. Can they have wings too, though? I'm sure that they can, but that's sort of a corrupted modern unicorn. Yeah.

Kind of just combine it all. I have a t-shirt of the painting that is the unicorn and the lion with a woman in the middle. And the unicorn's just a unicorn, no wings. No wings. Wow. Okay. This is nice that our lifespans are longer. Huh?

I mean, just like, you know, back in the day, used to the thing we were talking about earlier, just like people used to die so much younger. I guess it's true. That's the other thing. For our age, we'd probably look so young compared to everybody. Right. Because they're not drinking any water. They have, like, they've been out in the sun 24-7 there. Like, we would look like super tall.

Yeah. Very healthy, young versions of old people. Yeah. Be confusing. What was potable water like back then? Probably not, couldn't really drink water. Well, you dip the brush in the vinegar. You wipe your butt with it, and then you drink from it.

And then you, the shit particles cut out, they kill the poison in the water. We're saying all this and then, you know, actually going back in time. And everyone's just like, what's up? Fat ass. Like that fuck fat as fat as shit compared to you. You look like a little bitch. What the hell? Let's do a segment.

Let's seg it up. Segment. Did you do that before? I probably did. Let's seg it up. Let's seg it up. Nothing inherently wrong with it, but somehow it's tough to hear. Seg it up.

We're talking Greek mythology. We're talking about games that feature them. It's time for pixel chart. We're going to try to see if we can peg down the God of War game with the most, you know, with the most sales. I have a... Okay, got it. There's eight released God of War games. I'm not counting the collections or anything like that.

So these are all the standalone titles. of the game. So, um, we can, we're just trying to guess in order? How are we doing this? Yeah,

I guess just like try to guess them in order. I know there's going to be a couple of you guys don't remember. Uh, so I can, I can, uh, honestly, I can provide you with the bottom three.

I can guess a bottom three. Yeah. Okay. Uh, you probably at, uh, God of War for the PSP right down there at the bottom. Uh,

the second entry in the, uh, God of War, PSP games, God of War, Ghost of Sparta is number eight. Yes. with 1.2 million units, not nothing.

Shit. There was also got, was it, more than there were virtual boys? Was it, was the subtitle, God of War? Was it Chains of Olympus? Chains of Olympus is number six on the list. At a surprisingly whopping 3.3 million units. I'm gonna also guess towards the bottom

is God of War ascension. Yes, that's number seven with three million units. So that's the bottom three. The top five is sort of like, the big five but they're some of it's interesting it's interesting uh what has happened okay uh working our way up from the bottom i guess that that's how we're doing this sure um i feel like let's see we had we basically are dealing with we got the we're going to populate the rest of this list with one two three uh the god of war remake and then god of war ragnarok right

those are the five games left uh boy i would guess god of war three was number five. It's, you know what? It's interesting. It's actually number three. Wow. Okay. It's number three with 7.6 million units,

but you have to remember, this is the first entry of these games on the PlayStation 3, which is now a digital library. Yeah, I forgot that God of War III was on PS3. Yeah, so you're right. Okay. So then I would put God of War II at number five.

Number two is at number five. uh with uh 4.2 million units so then i would go above that would be i think it's original be original god of war right ps2 uh yeah number three yeah number four is the original god of war uh with 4.6 million units that's a lot and then so two two and one are just ragnarok and god of war yes the um with i would say an astronomical leap up yeah uh it's god of war For, yeah, Ragnarok, number two, with 15 million units, pretty stiff, pretty steep jump upward. Wow. And then number one, 2018, with 23.5 million units.

Wow. I was going to try to guess the year, and my dumb ass was going to say 2016, so I'm glad I didn't. I'm glad I just said God of War remake. 2018. Pretty recent. Honestly, not that long ago. No, not that long ago. Um, but like just, it's astounding to me the jump up.

And you have to, then, uh, just imagine, they, they added those games to PC. So I don't think these are necessarily counting those sales. Yeah. But this game was so hyped and it lived up to the amount of hype that it had that it just sold like fucking crazy. I just clock that you're wearing a God of War t-shirt. I'm wearing a God of War t-shirt. Yeah, that's right.

Furn shirt. Madically appropriate. Yeah, I, uh, I was wearing a different shirt earlier and then I fucking spilled something on it and I was like god damn it I got to change my fucking shirt I was like I know what shirt I'm gonna wear I got a wore shirt I was wearing some shorts earlier and I fucking yeah I was eating this into po-boy and spilled all over my shorts and I'm still wearing the shorts what uh how is the how is the po-boy good as hell a little combo a heavy pipe apart fried or half fried oysters half fried shirt

is that a farmer's market po-boy no this poe boy was from a little jewel of new Orleans in Chinatown. It's fucking great. Ooh. Yeah. Anyone ever been in a little jewel? Ranch, ever been in a little jewel?

I haven't. Treat yourself. Go get yourself a po-boy. I've never had, I don't think I've ever had one like that. That sounds good. That sounds good as hell. It was delicious.

It was fucking great. It was in heaven. So hungry. Yeah, me too. Got some fucking dirty fries. Oh, that's so good. God. It was a great.

Great lunch. Chet up molasses boy. I don't, Alan McLeodod. Had a lovely, have a lovely, have a meal. Al McLeod. Loves the God of War games. loves the god of war games loves walking

was talking about death stranding too what a guy good lot of walking in death stranding too what a guy the best uh hey that's this

we skit played our producers rachel chen ranchyard underscore underscore sard uh ranch you streaming lately yeah I started

playing alien isolation oh my god but I might move on to Silent Hill if I played it at one time and we'll see. We'll see how

if alien isolation continues. Is it too scary? It's too stressful. Okay. And everything looks the same and I get confused.

Yeah. I am also interested in Silent Hill F, but I'm just like, when am I going to win? Yeah, when. Yeah, when? When?

The answer is never. It's never going to get to some of these fucking games. It might be someday. Maybe I will. I don't fucking know. But here's the thing. It is unfortunate that

The scale is someday, which is not definite. Yes. And then never. Especially as you age, you become very conscious of those are your options. Yes, absolutely. What are you going to do? Twitch.tv slash yard underscore underscore sard. And your podcast as well.

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Sister's show is over on Patreon. Matt, what are we watching this week? We've made a mistake. We've just made a mistake. It's a colossal error. We're watching a show called Elfin Lead, and we've made a mistake. It's a bad show. Well, well, well.

The show is bad. It is interesting because it is bad, but there's something. There's something. There's something. It's not bad the way that a show is bad when it's boring. No, it's demonic and evil, actually. But it is a show that should not have been made by man. No, no, no, no, it's tough stuff.

But I think we have a lot of fun discussing it. We are where certainly have more than our share of things to talk about over at patreon.com slash get played. And look, I may be punished for saying this. I may have my liver eaten by a hawk or something, but I've got to say Greek gods, y'all got played. Holy shit, dude. Can he do that? Can he do that?

Yeah, look at him. He's fine. That was a hate gum podcast.