Get Played - The Legend of Zelda: A Pod to the Cast: Item Draft with Libby Watson

Episode Date: May 22, 2023

Libby Watson joins Heather, Nick and Matt to draft items from the Legend of Zelda franchise! They talk Tears of the Kingdom First Impressions, what is and isn't an item, and play Game Over Time. Check out Libby's Twitch channel http://twitch.tv/libtron This month's We Play, You Play: Tears of the Kingdom! Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @getplayedpod. Check out our premium series Get Anime'd On patreon.com/getplayed or on Stitcher Premium. Join us on our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/getplayed Wanna leave us a voicemail? Call 616-2-PLAYED (616-275-2933) or write us an email at [e-mail] Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I mean, I don't want to be a sickle on time, but we're supposed to start like 40 minutes ago. I know. Do we know where she is? I have no idea. We don't have the studio for that long. There's a million empty studios here. Do you want to just call her? Yeah. I'll just get her on the phone real quick.

Yeah, put her on speaker. Okay. Hi. Hey. Oh, I'm sorry I'm running late. Hey. Hey, Heather. Everything's okay.

I'm fine. I'm fine. Everything's fine. You sound a little flustered. We're just getting a little concerned here because we're at the studio. Yeah, traffic is rough. Traffic's real bad. You know, Los Angeles.

Also, I did some modifications on my car to try some stuff out, and it may have made it harder for me to drive it. What do you mean you made some modifications to your car? I had some stuff in my garage and laying around the house. I thought I might be able to make some modifications. I made the doors

much larger and they stick out sideways from the car now. They're like gullwing doors but they're permanently up I thought you attach something to your car I yeah I so I had two doors uh-huh like house doors okay and I welded those to my cars doors and then I open and I reattach the hinge. So now they're going. And so I've got like, imagine if you saw two doors sticking out of the side, the top of a car. Yeah. Like you thought you could maybe make it take flight or something. I'm guessing is what

was going on. I was like, you know, it takes me so long to get to the studio. So I thought I'd, I've also got, uh, 150 fans attached to the back of my car. Because I thought if I go fast enough, it'll fly no matter how big the wings are. Yeah, I understand what you're thinking is from a physics perspective. I'm not sure it works that way. Can you actually, can you just put on FaceTime so we can kind of see what you're working with? I'm burnt. You're burnt?

You're burnt? You're burnt? Hold on, you're burnt? Hold on. You're burnt? Hang on. Hang on. Are you okay? I'm a little burnt.

Just as a heads up. You're burnt. A little? I'm a little burnt. Because, okay, so I was like, why isn't this taking off? Uh-huh. So I thought I would try. I know the basic principles of an engine are

heat and combustion and then combustion provides acceleration. So I, uh, I created like a, what is effectively a large waffle iron. And I, I clamped it onto the outside of my engine, like on the left and right side of my six cylinder engine. And then I try to heat up my engine, like on the left and right side of my six-cylinder engine, and then I try to heat up my engine. Turns out my car is much heavier this way, goes a lot slower, and I was arrested. Okay, kind of buried the lead there. Yeah. So you went to jail because you did this.

I am in jail. Okay. But, yeah, I brought my switch, so I think it's going to be okay. Oh. Jail's cool. Jail is cool. Are you on the, is there like another floor above you in the jail? Oh my God, you're right. I could totally escape right now.

Yeah, fucking ascend out of there. All right, hold on one sec. Ow! Ow! Thank you. Welcome to Get Played, your one-stop show for good games, bad games, and every game in between. It's time to get played. I'm your host, Heather Ann Campbell, along with my fellow host, Nick Weiger. Oh, that's me, Nick Weiger, and I'm here with our third host, Matt Apodaca. Hey, listen, everyone.

Hey, listen. Hey. Hey, listen. I always aim at the voice and it always comes out Mickey Mouse. I think it sounds good. I think you're being a little harsh on yourself. Hey, listen. Maybe it's like up there. Maybe. That's pretty good. I think you're being a little harsh on yourself. Hey, listen. Maybe it's like up there.

Maybe. That's pretty good. Yeah. It'd be cool if there was a game where it was like, hey, listen. I hated that. Something about it was like lascivious. I didn't care for it. Hey, listen.

Fuck. Hey, listen. Is this one of them comic books you're looking for? We kid. We have fun. We're just joking. We're having fun. We're talking a bunch of in-jokes here at the top of our show. You're on Get Played.

And it's a show where we used to talk about bad games, and now as I said, we talk about every game in between, but sometimes we also talk about things from games, and that's the episode you've got in front of you. That's right. And specifically from the Zelda franchise, because all month long we're doing The Legend of Zelda, a pod to the cast,

and that will culminate next week's climactic finale, where we do our We Play, You Play of Legend of Zelda, Tears of the Kingdom. So look for that next Monday, May 29th. And we're all still on track to 100% it by then, right? Yeah, all of 100% it. Yeah, yeah. Definitely.

I will have 100%ed one bridge. I'm building a string of logs that spans the equator of Hyrule. That's my plan. I was literally just thinking because there is a finite end to the map at some point. But it would be so cool to build a structure that reaches across the entire map. Somebody is probably doing it right now. Like Hands Across America? Yeah.

Like the film Us. That's right. A good movie. Yeah. We all liked Yeah. Just, yeah. Like the film Us. Mmm. That's right. A good movie. Yeah. We all liked Us. I think not even just a good movie. Yeah.

A fantastic movie. Yeah, a good movie. The way I said it sounded sarcastic, and I didn't mean it that way. No. I love it. It's a good movie. Did you like that movie Nope? Yup. Fuck yeah, I did, dude.

I love Nope. This isn't a movie podcast, but of his three movies, Nope is my favorite. Nope's my favorite, yeah. Yeah, Nope rules. I fucking love it. Yeah, well, I mean, we've talked about it a little bit, but it's an Evangelion movie. Yeah, it's Evangelion. It's an Evangelion movie.

It's Evangelion. Nope is Evangelion. Nope is Evangelion. Evangelion, though, is not Nope. Which he has admitted in interviews. It's like a major influence on the movie is Evangelion. We love to see it. God damn, it's so good.

If you want to make a good movie, and this is not a movie podcast, make your movie Evangelion. That's all I'm saying. Do it. You know what's another Evangelion movie is Kong Skull Island. Oh, yeah, sure. Go back and watch Kong Skull Island after you've seen End of Evangelion, and you will notice that the shot composition is direct Eva references, and apparently they even had Eva storyboards for certain shots. That movie owns anyway.

Fucking rules. Make your movie Evangelion. Movies are back. Movies are back. And this is not a movie podcast? No, it's not a movie podcast, to be clear. Movies are back. It's barely a podcast. No, yeah. At movie podcast. No, it's not a movie podcast. It's barely a podcast.

No. Yeah. At this point right now, that's true. But once we get cracking, forget about it. Let's get cracking with our guest today, a writer and streamer with over 600 hours in Breath of the Wild. Libby Watson is here. Hi, Libby. Hello, Libby. For reading the first line of my resume. Libby, welcome to the studio and also welcome to the United States of America as a new citizen. This is very recent. Why? Why?

Why did you do this? I'm so sorry. I'm going to go, actually. What? You made that choice and you've seen how it is here. I'm on the fucking phone with my lawyer being like, what are my options? Well, here's the thing. You do get to keep the British citizenship.

So I just got options. I've got options now. You're like your dual class. So you could choose your flavor of fascism. Yeah, exactly. Fancy fascism. Do you want children of men or do you want like Patriots, I don't even know the name,

Front, is that it? I don't know. It's like one of them's like the Purge Anarchy and the other one is Children of Men. Which Purge movie do you want to live in?

Do you keep your, can you still level up in your British citizenship or is that max now? Yeah, no, you do have to pick one branch of the skill tree. Yeah, yeah.

What is your skill tree branch that you have chosen as a British citizen and which one are you going to focus on as an American citizen? Oh, shit. I guess T. Okay. You know, T in British citizen.

All right, great. I'm always yelling at Nick about T. You're a big T advocate. What is your level you estimate? Okay. Of like, what is your level of tea? Oh, my level of tea. Oh, okay. Are we going out of 100 here? Yeah. Yeah, okay.

I guess I'm going to say I'm like a pretty solid like 55. Nice. You know? Nice. That's pretty good. Yeah. I'm like usually getting it rare for a bad cup, you know, to happen. And it does happen, you know. Sometimes I'll get defeated by the cup. And now what are you going to focus on? what's your build for your american citizen citizenship levels

uh guns okay good yeah way to go yeah sort of the exact opposite of t yeah that's good i want to know your answers too like if you if if there was a skill tree for an american citizen what would your american centric uh like what would your loud your loud, like, what would your... Loud. Your loud? Yeah. Loud's really good. That's a good one. Loud is mine. I know Nick's. Yeah. What? White guy?

Hey, man. It's an auto-leveler. Yeah. Make your difficulty slider down. Yeah, Nick's playing on story. No, yeah, mine's loud for sure. Shit, that's funny. I don't know.

I can't speak to what it would be in another country because I'm very poorly traveled. Yeah, me too. I've never crossed an ocean. I have gone to Italy, but what? It's going to be fucking spaghetti or something? Yeah, Mamma Mia. Well, I love traveling. I've been all over the place.

I know, you've been everywhere. I love it. Sort of a Johnny Cash. I've lived a million lives. There's too much shit on me. Libby, how well traveled are you? Obviously, you've lived in two different countries, but... Yeah, I mean,

that's the thing, is, like, in America, reasonably well-traveled, and that still feels sort of like travel to me. Sure. Right, you go to different states. That feels like something. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, you know, as big an area as Europe or whatever. I've been to a couple European countries, but that's it, really. Very,

very sort of vanilla, I would say. I've been to, ooh of European countries, but that's it really. Very, very sort of vanilla, I would say. I've been to, ooh, Berlin. Yeah, whatever. Do you like driving? That's, yeah. I mean, that's difficult because I didn't get my license until like three years ago.

Wow. I tried and failed in the UK. I failed on the parallel park, which like, come on. Fuck off. Their roads go the other way. It's so crazy over there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't love driving. their roads go the other way it's so crazy over there

yeah I don't know I don't love driving you know in LA or in DC or any city but you know yeah obviously you go out to the desert or whatever and you're like oh fuck yeah I'm cool now you get some room to roam

it's a little bit less stressful you gotta stay on the road but there's a lot more room out there for sure. Yeah, especially if you're in like a hybrid Corolla and you're like, okay, well, if I hit a pebble on the side of the road here, that's it for me. There was a, oh God, there was a video that went viral a couple months ago where there was like a loose tire on the freeway. The tire.

I could not stop thinking about the tire. The scariest thing I've ever seen, a car went straight into the air after hitting a tire. Oh my God. Not how it's supposed to go. went straight into the air after hitting a tire. Oh, my God. Not how it's supposed to go. Like, straight into the air. Yeah. A tire comes off of a car in one lane of traffic, rolls into the lane of traffic to its left, like, rolling straight like a tire if you were a child doing a tire roll. Yeah.

And a Kia hits that in such a perfect way that it launches it like a video game springboard. Right. Straight up into the air. It like a video game springboard. Right. Straight up into the air. It was a cyberpunk physics video. It looked like a speed running trick. It looked like somebody had used stasis from Breath of the Wild on the car. That's what I was going to say. It was a stasis launch.

But not funny or good. No. But apparently everybody was okay. Okay. Which also is incomprehensible because if I had done that in my car, I would have died when it saw the tire. Yeah, I know. I'm just going to get the dying with over now. You know what?

I don't need to see how the rest of this goes. I died when I started my car. I'm curious. Okay, so you spent a lot of time in Breath of the Wild. Is this your first, like, big Zelda game, or were you a fan of the franchise prior to that? Oh, no. Oh, no, Nick. No, not at all. No, I'm kind of a real gamer, actually.

Wow. I'm just kidding. Oh, yeah, finally. I mean, Zelda was probably, like, my first big game franchise. Like, I've been, you know, playing games since I was, like, five. But when Zelda came out, I've been playing games since I was five, but when Zelda came out, that was the first time where I was like, oh, I love this and want to be in this. And which Zelda are we talking about?

Oh, that was Ocarina of Time. Yes, okay, great. And I played Link to the Past maybe, but I never really got... It was too hard. It's a fucking hard game, and I've still never beaten it because it's too hard. Just not enough health in that game.

They should put more health in A Link to the Past, is my opinion. I'll tell somebody. I'm assuming that's what I'm doing here. Airing your grievances with the Blood franchise? The suggestion box. You'll just get this to someone at Nintendo. Thank you so much.

Ocarina of Time, then Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, everything since Ocarina except Skyward Sword because I didn't have a Wii. So basically all the 3D Zeldas? You ever mess with any of the 2D Zeldas on the handheld? Other than Link to the Past? No, I don't think so. Yeah, I think it was just I had Link to the Past on the Game Boy Adventure.

Oh, okay. Game Boy Adventure? What a stupid bot. I was going to give the benefit of the doubt because I was like, I don't know how they say things in England.

Hey, can I come on your video game podcast? I love the Game Boy Adventure. But wait, but that's an accent. That's a fucking awesome name for a fucking Game Boy. If they were to bring back

the Game Boy. Game Boy Advance, Game Boy Micro, Game Boy Adventure would be like the Apple Watch Ultra. Right. Oh, sure. Like a thick, secure, long battery life Game Boy. It Game Boy Adventure would be like the Apple Watch Ultra, like a thick, secure, long battery life Game Boy. It's made of gun metal.

Immediately. Why? Why not? I was thinking like those cases you see that they only sell at like AT&T stores and they're like, this has been tested by the US military. It can be dropped from a height of 2,000 feet. They used to have a thing at the Nintendo World Store in New York City and it was a Game Boy, an OG Game Boy, that I think had been rolled over by a tank in Desert Storm.

Oh, they still have it. And it's still operational. Yeah. It's burnt. Yes. It survived a bombing. Oh, that's what it was. Okay.

Goddamn. Yeah. Yeah. They build sturdy hardware. Yeah. We love it. How did that get back to Nintendo? Like, think about that.

I think you're going to want this. Like, yeah, what happened? Like, I mean, like, somebody had to pick it up and be like, holy shit, it still works. And then this was pre-internet. So, like, nobody was like, put that on Twitter, dude, and, like, see what Nintendo. They had to put it in an envelope and be like, look what it did. Yeah. They probably took a photograph of it and sent it to Nintendo Power.

And then Nintendo Power was like, we'd like to buy this. And then they found out that it was fake, so they had to recreate it. That's why we went back to war and a hat. Yeah. It's all a false flag. We've got to make the Game Boy. flag. We got to make the Game Boy. I first gave AG1 a try because I was tired of taking so many supplements every day and wanted a single solution that supports my entire body by filling in nutrient gaps daily. I need energy. I wanted to simplify my morning routine with easy habits.

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I mean, I listened to the Tears of the Kingdom episode that you did, and pretty much agreed. Tears. Tears. T-I-E-R-S. Yes. Tears of the Kingdom, the tier list. Tears. Tears. T-I-E-R-S. Yes. Tears of the kingdom. The tier list.

And the people leaving comments and reviews that we spelled it wrong, we fucking didn't. I've heard some complaints about that episode, but I have not yet heard the episode itself. Yeah. I heard you guys fucked up. No, we were right.

No. What? Actually, no. We actually did a really good job. Yeah, what is the controversy? I don't know. On the Discord, people are like, or on Twitter or whatever, job. Yeah, what is a controversy? I don't know. On the Discord, people are like, or on Twitter or whatever, people are like, you guys fucked up.

Well, there's just no way that anybody on Twitter could say something like that. That's just so, yeah, really out of character. I don't understand. So it must have been somewhere else. I think we did a good job coming to a consensus because here's the thing. Like if we were doing it individually individually it would be a little different but we're also like trying to kind of like you know fucking categorize these in terms of uh how what should be the consensus take on this franchise on the individual entries in this franchise and i think kind of what we did which is you know the the big boys kind of being at the top um i think there's probably like like a little bit

more of a like me i would rank majora's mask like a little bit more of a like me, I would rank Majora's Mask maybe a little higher than we ultimately did. But I think there's maybe a there's a fanboy aspect of or an enthusiast aspect of I want to have like the more hardcore games or the more obscure games

a little bit more forward. I have that up on my personal list to kind of like for cred, you know. And I don't think we're trying to do that. I think we're doing a little bit more of a populist exercise. I don't know, that's my take. But I'm sorry, going back to you, Ocarina, you like that one a lot.

Yeah, yeah, I would say so. That's one I still play. I do the Ocarina of Time randomizer thing. Oh, that's right. I don't know if you're familiar with this. No. It's like a sort of community-made program that randomizes where all of the items in the game are.

Not just the items, it can be the songs and other stuff like that. And so every time you play the game, it's different. Randomizes whether Tingle has underwear on or not. And if he does, you can just trash that seed. Yeah, no, it's a really fun way if you, you know, for example, are like a fucking freak and want to still play Ocarina of Time despite being 32

and having played it over and over since you were a child. It's a pretty cool way to keep doing that because it's different every time and it like makes the game a little different because you're sort of trying to solve the puzzle of like where is everything? What do I need to be able to beat this seed? Like, oh, oh so you know like and there's there's inherent logic in it as well which is why it works you know like the programmers have made it so that nothing can be locked behind

you know itself kind of thing it's the kind of thing that i feel like heather would hate so much it sounds awful well so like the because i know they did it for I know they've done it for like Zelda 1 and I think there's Adventures of Link I think has Zelda 2 I think also has its own randomizer

I mean I think there's just a big randomizer community it's the way to make these games endlessly replayable random it's pretty fucking random that's what they're always saying yeah

it's absolutely crazy oh this one has a ninja and a bear in it what this one you don't beat a bear in it? What? This one you don't beat Ganon, you beat the flying spaghetti monster. It's so fucking weird.

No, yeah, there's one for Link to the Past. I think the Link to the Past one might be even like a bigger community than Ocarina of Time. And I just started like trying the Majora's Mask randomizer too, which is pretty fucking fun. Because the way that game works with the time of day structure and everything makes it even harder.

I'm really bad at it, but it's still fun to play. I want to talk about Breath of the Wild a little bit because you spent so much time in it. And I've spent like 100 hours, 100 plus hours in Breath of the Wild, but nothing close to you. Why do you find this game so endlessly replayable? Why do you spend so much time in it? I just, I'm very stupid, you know?

I just don't enjoy to. Welcome to America. I don't read so good. I mean, it's true. You know, I don't, like, I have a bad habit of re-watching TV shows I love. Sure. Re-playing games I love and whatever. That's not a bad habit.

Don't, you don't have to nag yourself. Nabokov said, reading is rereading. Wow. What the fuck? He said, playing Zelda is cool

and you should do it all the time. Yeah, I did that. Check out this guy. Sounds awesome. Wrote Lolita. Good book. Palefire, another one.

Those are the two I've read. Got it. Vladimir Nabokov. And he one. Those are the two I've read. Got it. Vladimir Nabokov. And he's like, thanks for the plug. Yeah. He's our guest next week. Nick does so much psychic damage to himself in the future with things he's said here in the past. I wouldn't know anything about that.

I've never regretted anything I say. I just don't remember any of it. I'm glad there are hundreds of hours of me talking available online. No regrets about that. Yeah, I don't know. I guess, I mean, part of it is it's been out for six years now. Right. And I actually didn't play it until December of 2017. The Switch launched in March of that year or something, and for some reason

I didn't buy one. I was like, oh, it's too expensive or whatever. They were also kind of scarce for a bit. I think they probably were, yeah, and then my husband got it for me for Christmas, and I remember actually he put the GIF note in it was, this is so you'll stop playing Wind Waker all the time. And

he kind of, you know, that's the whole like, don't ever, what's the fucking phrase? Don't get what you wish for? What is it? Be careful what you wish for. Thank you. Yeah, you know that phrase.

Don't get what you wish for. Hey, buddy, don't get it. It's not good. Because then he's seen me play Breath of the Wild for, you know, 600 hours, whatever. But, I mean, it's from, I don't know, it's like, if you think about that as 100 hours over each year I've had it, you know, roughly. Yeah, sure.

I've basically just like played the game six times, you know? I mean, that's a lot. But I mean, it's a great game. Is it? Is it a lot? Well, you play other games, though. Yes. Yeah, I do.

Yeah. No, I do tend to like mostly play, you know, sort of the biggest games, I would say. I'm not great at playing indie games and stuff. I've played a couple. I really liked Return of the Obra Dinn. I just played that with Lou, my husband, recently. And fucking rocked. Oh, man.

You don't like me. You're the east to my west, the north to my south. We're going to have to defeat each other in battle. Thankfully, that is my skill. Yeah, that's true. I was going to say, because I'm shit at combat. So maybe that's part of why it's so replayable for me, because combat is so much of Breath of the Wild.

And if you never get good at it, it's always fun. But yeah, I play a lot of different stuff. I play Fortnite. I play Halo. I'm a gamer. I know how to game. Heather's back. The magic word.

Now, you started streaming recently. It's twitch.tv slash libtron. Is that correct? That is right. As a newish streamer, what have you learned so far? Because I know you're a Twitch fan. You've watched a lot of Twitch streams. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I had a kind of enormous leg up in that a lot of the people who watch my stream are people who I was in the chat with for the Go Off King stream. Oh, yeah. And we're all just like a bunch of freaks with exactly the same sort of freak sensibilities. Sure. You know, which is really great. And, you know, I mean, the other thing is it's just such a remarkably nice community. That's great.

Like the number one thing that was stopping me from streaming on Twitch over the last, I don't know, a couple of years was worrying about people coming in and being mean to me. And that has not happened literally one time, which is insane to me. And so, you know, I mean, I do feel like I've had a little bit of a different experience sort of like importing a portion of a already existing audience to my stream. I don't know. I haven't really like thought about my takeaways other than just like, damn, it's fun to play games and talk to people on the internet, huh? I love how there's basically no correlation with a username and then how someone acts. Like you can have just like the gentlest, sweetest person and their username is like underscore piss cannon.

Yeah, have you been streaming? Have you streamed any tears of the kingdom yeah i've done a couple uh tears of the kingdom streams i streamed it like when it because you know we're on the west coast yeah and it dropped at 9 p.m for us so i was like well fuck it i might as well just do my you know my first playthrough on stream or whatever so i did that and then i played it 12 hours a day over the weekend um and uh did not go outside. Actually, you know what? I did go outside and I regretted it. Like my husband was like,

why don't we go for a nice little walk? You know, when do we get you some sun? And I went out there and I was like, fucking sucks, I hate the sun. But yeah, so I've done a couple streams. I actually just did one today where, you know, because I don't want to stream like story stuff. I don't want to stream quests and stuff

because people are still playing it. And, you know, that's also that's that's for me, you know, to find all that stuff. So I invented a game within Tears of the Kingdom. It's like an Excel spreadsheet and there's three columns and there's a list of type of vehicle, place to use it and a goal. And then it randomizes. And so, for example, it would be like, all right, you've got to fly a plane in the depths as far as you can. Or you've got to build a double-decker bus and carry as much cargo as you can

across the desert or whatever. And it turns out I just find new ways to blow myself up every single time. Every single time I'm like, yeah, a rocket is probably fine on this, right? We can probably do rocket on this wooden structure. That's probably good, and I explode, and it's a great way to play it without doing any story. That's really fun because people love suggesting like,

hey, why don't you put a wheel on that? Why don't you activate one of these things and not the other or whatever and then uh sometimes it i've done i've had maybe like two successful vehicles and then everything else has just like exploded or hit me in the head or whatever so it's really fun that rocks uh well look that that segues into the other question i have for you and i have for everyone and i think we're all going to be talking about the same thing this week. What are you playing? Thanks, Link. Oh, no, he died. He died.

He gave his life in service. Big red game over. I do kind of, the game over, which you get in Tears of the Kingdom and Breath of the Wild, it does make me miss the you died. I was just like, if they just had taken that from FromSoft games and throw me a you died. Yeah, you can't trademark dying, can you? No, yeah.

It's like what happened? Game Over? Yeah. Should we just have a general, you know, kind of preliminary discussion about Tears of the Kingdom or does anyone else have anything else they want to talk about? I have something else I want to talk about. So, you know, Tears of the Kingdom, or does anyone else have anything else they want to talk about? I have something else I want to talk about. Okay, Heather's raising her hand. So, you know, Tears of the Kingdom came out this weekend. I played for about two hours before I was like, boy, this game is awfully slow.

You know what game's not slow? Fortnite. So I signed on for the second or third, maybe it's the fourth, Get Played Fortnite private server event, which was this Saturday from 11 o'clock to 1 o'clock Los Angeles time, had a full blown blast. Wow. Playing that game with all of our listeners. And I want to give a couple of shout outs.

Also, after we played the private server event, I signed on later that day. And with a couple of days, it was like there was a rotating cast of listeners who would drop in. But always Adam was always online with us. And I played Fortnite for six straight hours for the first time since I've been able to play the game. Mary was out of town and I was like, this is my Zelda weekend. And instead I locked into Fortnite and got guilt tripped into eating my food in between rounds by one of my squad mates.

Because I was like, all right, I'm going to go eat dinner. And he was like, what are you talking about? Just get your dinner from, because I had dinner delivered. And he was like, just get it, bring it into the garage and play when we're like launching. And I was like, you're right. I don't know what I was thinking. So I played from four o'clock until 1030 at night.

It was fucking crazy. Wow. And then did almost the exact same thing on Sunday. Woke up, played an hour of Zelda, was like, fucking God, this is slow. You know, it's not slow playing with the lightsabers in Fortnite. Wow. So I have played a lot of Zelda since,

but that's what I did on Zelda launch weekend was played Fortnite. Look, I mean, don't feel bad about it. You had a great time. I had a fucking great time. I had the most fun I've had ever playing Fortnite because you get into like a long I'd never played that long. And so like you got into like a real rhythm with your

squad mates. And like the second day we played, we I think got maybe 11 crowns in a row. Like it was just like relentless progress. And on the day before that, we were doing we were trading like we'd crown and then lose and then crown and then lose. It's great. Coming up, I think this week, there will be three different sets of powers in Fortnite.

For those of you who can peel away from Zelda. One is the lightsabers and force powers. One is the ODM gear from Attack on Titan. And one is Ascend. And one is the launch of all of the Spider-Verse powers. Whoa. So you're going to have Spider-Man, Attack on Titan, and Star Wars all interacting in the same play space.

And that's pretty fucking cool. But the ODM gear is basically web slinging. It's like steampunk web slinging. Yes, but it's sword based. Oh, okay. So like your powers when using the ODM gear are also to attack from above because that's so much of

what the Attack on Titan experience is is lining yourself up and then sorting somebody to death. Cutting out the meaty part of their neck. Whereas I wonder if Spider-Man will be faster and more mobile, but not have an attack built into the web slingers themselves. Yeah, or maybe it's just taking photographs. Delivering pizzas.

Yeah, they lean on the Peter Parker side of things. Yeah. I mean, I think that would be fine. That would be cool. I want to mention that's a, hey, I'm glad you're still having fun with that. I want to shout out a game real quick, which is just, just to put it on everyone's radar. There's a game coming out

from the developers of Dream Daddy. Jory Griffiths and Leighton Gray, chiefly, are working on, have a retro survival horror game called Homebody. Homebody. Homebody is releasing on June 1st. So people want to, I'm going to, I just got that on my radar. But if anyone wants to wish list it on Steam, I think that's one to track because I'm a

huge fan of Dream Daddy. And I heard about this game and I'm excited to check it out. It's got, it's very much got like, it's anchored in that. What was that game we played on here? Was it called back in 1995? Back in 1995 was like an attempt at that sort of like recreating that that you know early survival horror aesthetic and I don't

think it really succeeded but this one like looks much more like you know aesthetically on point for that and yeah and it's like a cool take on a completely different genre versus that that that original game I feel like I saw Nick's programming for just a second when he

called it Home Buddy because I know how often he says, hey, buddy. That's true. I thought the same thing. Yeah. It was just defaulting to the most used word. You know, like autocorrect? Yeah, yeah. The little squiggly lines of it. I'm going to start saying that to my wife when I return.

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Well, yeah, I want to be careful about, I don't know what we're doing about spoilers. Let's be spoiler-like. Because I think the story, honestly, I still don't know what the story is. No, I pretty much don't. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's fucking incredible, isn't it? Isn't it just the best fucking game? I don't know. It's really fun. It's pretty nuts. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's fucking incredible, isn't it? Isn't it just the best fucking game? Yeah, it's really great.

It's pretty nuts. I love it. Within minutes, I was like, I can't believe they did it. Yes! It's really crazy how immediately it's like every worry I had about it not living up to how good Breath of the Wild was is just out the door. I had exactly the same reaction. I mean, again, because, you know, having spent 600 fucking hours in Breath of the Wild, I was like, honestly, every time a trailer came out or whatever, I watched it, but I was like,

yeah, this isn't going to be good. You know, I was thinking, oh, this is going to be silly. Like, the stuff is going to be too much. They're like, it's going to be gimmicky or whatever. And within the first, like, I don't know, hour or two hours, maybe I was like, oh, they fucking did it. They absolutely mad, man. Like, they fucking did it. They absolutely mad men. Like, they actually did it. I played it for 10 hours straight on Friday,

and I was just like, oh, I haven't done that since Animal Crossing came out to Switch. Yep, that's exactly the other thing, is like, so many of my friends are playing it. It was so nice, like, you know, turning on my Switch and seeing, like, so many people online. Normally it's like, oh, you have two friends online.

And then suddenly it was like eight, and then, you know, I would check in with the group chat or whatever, and we'd be, like, giving each other little hints friends online. And then suddenly it was like eight. And then, you know, I would check in with the group chat or whatever, and we'd be like giving each other little hints and stuff. And it just exactly felt like Animal Crossing again. I've been two screening it. I like to play my Switch on the TV. Yeah, me too.

But I've been taking it in a handheld mode. I do have an OLED Switch now, which is a delightful screen, and this game looks great on it. But I've been doing that while I'm like playoff basketball is going on and I'm always watching the playoff games and I keep like while I'm playing I keep hoping for a blowout so I can focus more on Zelda. Just give me a shitty game that I don't have to

care about. It's really engaging. It really is. I think the other thing that struck me and I had a really stupid moment the other day where I was saying to Lewis like how is this game so big? Like I don't understand how they fit so much more game in this game. And he was like, what do you mean? And I was like, because, you know, this is a 1990s kid brain.

I was like, it's all on one cartridge. Like, how are they all on the same cartridge? He's like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's just an SD card. But I was like, I can't believe how much more there is every single aspect of the game they just kind of like opened it up and stuffed more game in yeah you know like i think uh gene park said that this game was twice as long as breath of the wild and i was like but then he said that you know like the day before it came out whatever and i was like

no fucking way that can't be right and he 100 you know I mean maybe I'll be spending 1200 hours in this it's also like you spend so much of your time trying to be like can I make an apple gun like is there a way to create a weapon that can execute things by like throwing things at other things like can can you make a machine apple gun? And then you're like, what have I been doing for the last two hours? Like this, I didn't accomplish anything. I had an idea for something and it didn't work. And I was like so hyper fixated on it that I never let go.

And I'm just in the same field. Yes. And being wrong doesn't feel bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it's like, you feel like you're getting closer to the thing that you're trying to accomplish.

But we talked about this last week with Eva. I said that Breath of the Wild was so great because it was sort of just like kind of like a vibes game

where you can sort of like I'm just going to go in this direction and sort of see what's going on. You can't just go in one direction anymore. You can go up or down now.

So it's like you can really like you could try to like do a mainline quest and then get distracted for 10 hours and then be like, oh, wait, oh, I'll go back to that thing that I was doing earlier. I went and did like 10 shrines or whatever. And I found a bunch of side quests and I wanted to go help with, you know, this particular one and then follow that for a long time and then get back to the main thing.

It seems like there's an infinite amount of things to do. I had that exact sensation the first time I got into the depths because there's, you know, like the, I forget what the nerd guy's name is, but he's like investigating the depths. He's like, come check it, like help me out over here. I was like, okay, I'll go check it out real quick. And then like 90 minutes later, I was like, I need to eat dinner.

There's this whole underground biome I didn't know about that has like this, that's endlessly expansive. It's like seems as big as the overworld. What is it called in Persona 5? When you go into the... Oh, yeah. It's Mementos. Mementos. Yeah.

Yeah. That's Mementos for Tears of the Kingdom. But it feels more daunting than mementos. Yeah, so scary. Mementos is a little bit more linear and level-based. And here it's just like, this just keeps going. And yeah, it's so fucking dark. It's scary down there.

It's actually dark, yeah. No, I think the depth is the coolest thing that they have done in Zelda ever. Wow. It's really cool. Can I offer the coward's perspective real quick? I haven't gotten to the depths. Yeah, so there's so much game. I've just been trying to make an Apple gun, and I cannot stress that enough.

You don't have the paraglider. No, because I didn't. First off, no, I don't have the paraglider, even though I've done a lot of stuff, because I didn't know that you had to go somewhere to get it. It's amazing they let you leave the Skyworld without getting the paraglider. Unbelievable choice. Wait, it's in the Skyworld? No, it's not in the Skyworld. I was like, that's so long ago. The thing is, you can get back up there.

I've been trying to make a bucket with a funnel that I could fill with apples that then has a whipping rotating thing so that I can make an apple Gatling gun. Cause what Zelda needs is a gun. In the next game, it's going to be set in the United States. Can I offer the coward's perspective real quick on this game, which is that I'm afraid of heights and afraid of the dark. And this game is a nightmare.

You start over the sky. you're so high up. And there's not like a wobble animation that comes on if you get a little too close to the edge. You can just walk the fuck off and then fall into oblivion. And he falls for a while and you can like dive while you're falling. This is all pre-Paraglider. And so that first part of the game scared the shit out of me. And honestly, I had feelings of vertigo that I didn't have since the Abby sections when she's walking the sky bridges in Last of Us Part 2. It similarly, like, freaked the shit out of me.

And that's the tutorial area of this game. Yeah. You and I had different experiences with that. I couldn't wait to jump. I was like, fuck, yeah, I can jump. Oh, no, he's going to die that. I couldn't wait to jump. I was like, fuck yeah, I can jump. Oh no, he's going to die, isn't he? Time to die. Like him racing at a concrete barrier.

Ground of his head first. Just directly vertical. You spend a little bit of time in the sky area, in the tutorial section, because you get basically most of the abilities that you need for the game at the start. And then there's a moment

where you get back down to, you know, the ground without having the paraglider and this was my first death because I just like barely hit the edge of the fucking water

and just like like killed Link first opportunity for him to die. Everybody's gonna in Hyrule is gonna find that body and be like

what? He has this like new arm and like new abilities it seems like but he's dead? Yeah. It's like a drunken college kid

who tried to jump off the balcony into the pool. Yeah. Straight up. Yeah. Jesus Christ. Yeah. dead yeah it's like a drunken college kid who tried to jump off the balcony into the pool yeah straight up yeah jesus christ uh yeah it's i'm i'm loving it so far there's just so much content there's so many mechanics it's overwhelming i've been talking to some people off pod about how like it does make me feel dumb and old because they're like so much of the first 10 hours basically maybe more so is just teaching they're just teaching much of the first 10 hours, basically, maybe more so is just teaching. They're just teaching you new mechanics and how they work together.

And I still feel like I'm fumbling with it in terms of like how to specifically fuse this thing to this weapon or whatever. I saw a really funny tweet that I wish I had saved it or screenshotted it so I could give credit to it. But it was basically something like when you were a kid and you were playing Zelda and you couldn't solve a puzzle, you just had to wait and, you know, more brain matter would come. Now it's a race against the clock because you're getting dumber actively

as you're getting older. Really funny. If I can find it, I'll link it because it's really good. See, maybe I'm a sicko, but I love that feeling of, like, being in a shrine and having no fucking idea what to do. I'm like, this rocks. I don't know what to do. I'm like, this rocks. I don't know what to do. I'm stuck.

Hee hee. Oh, I love shrines. Heather, I think you have probably a different take on shrines. Can it be shot with a gun? I've had more success. I mean, we'll talk about this at length next week. I've had more success with the shrines I've done so far as compared to the ones in Breath of the Wild. I don't think they're easier.

They're just like. Well, there's more solutions. I think there's just more solutions. And there's also like, I don't know, the abilities I think are playing a factor into it too. I'm finding these abilities to be more fun and more intuitive as well. Time for a complaint. The positioning of the dash and jump buttons is even even this far into the game, counterintuitive. And I switched jump to B.

Like, I switched the location of the jump button, which is the only sort of, like, controller modification that you can do on the Switch. Yes, right. Because even they knew, hmm, this isn't normally where jump is. But, like, your dash is the top button and jump is the bottom button. And if you're playing on the actual switch as opposed to like the pro controller, it's impossible to dash and then hit jump without accidentally maybe hitting one of those two other buttons that is in between you on on the layout. And that's extremely frustrating. I don't understand why they couldn't just fully allow you to remap the controls in the game. Yes, because they're fucking Nintendo. Nothing is convenient. It's like you have to

deal with their aging hardware and their archaic way of doing things and their horrible online infrastructure because they just make masterpieces you can't skip as a gamer. It's like it's the frustration of dealing with this fucking studio, this fucking company. I saw that Jason Schreier, when Breath of the Wild was out,

was speaking with the developers about not being able to remap the buttons, and he's like, you know, that's like a sort of disadvantage for players that don't have the same mobility as intended in the development. And the developers were like, that's like a sort of disadvantage for players that don't have the same mobility as intended in the development. And the developers were like, that's interesting. We haven't really thought about that. We'll think about that going forward. That's a conversation we're having. And then they just straight up didn't do it.

They let you remap jump. Yeah. It would be so nice to just remap it. That's one thing you can toggle. That's one switch you can toggle is just a switch which that specific button, it's such a strange limiting factor. Which is – I immediately did. Yeah. I always am like how – you can tell how intuitive the control scheme is if you try to do everything as soon as you're born in your very first instance of playing the game.

And it's like, okay, you're running in your very first instance of playing the game and it's like okay you're running around like this uh traditionally you click in your directional pad to dash okay no that makes him squat okay interesting all right uh jump is always here no he is not jumping where is jump yeah is jump in this maybe he only rolls nope there's. It's all the way the fuck over there. Like, you get that. I think that there's, you can tell, I think, how a control scheme is by default. I mean, at this point, I've mapped enough of my brain over their control scheme that it's enjoyable again. But those first couple hours, I was like, this sucks. But I love the game. I'm complaining about a thing that I love.

No, that's fucking, that is legitimately annoying and the other annoyance I have and this is always the case when I switch between like an Xbox game and the Switch is where X, Y, A and B are are like all in different places. Yes.

And so that always is like press X like okay, I'm going to press this face button. Wait, shit. I just have gotten my brain used to hitting where X is over here. And that definitely keeps happening with the jump because jump is X on the Switch, but X is where Y is on the Xbox.

Wait, where's the default jump? Is it up top? The top button. Y. That's so fucking crazy. It's strange. It's a little awkward. Yeah.

My jump is B. It works a little better for, because it's also, you know, the button that you use for, and I can't remember, was it like that on Breath of the Wild? But it works a little better when you're, you know, in combat, when you're using it to dodge and to backflip. Yeah. But it's awkward for jumping. Yeah.

All right. Let's get to the order of the day, which is the item draft. That's right. Alex, our engineer, got us that sting. That's the ESPN NFL draft pick sound effect. It sounded kind of spooky, didn't it? It's fucking Harry Potter. Yeah, yeah.

It's good. Matt was saying before recording, it sounds like a Zelda sound effect. It kind of does. Can you play it again? Can you play it again? Because it... Yeah, that's a wizard welcoming you to the shop, isn't it? It's the same.

It's the same. Nick, you know music. Yeah, it's similar. But it's the same notes,, you know music. Yeah, it's similar. But it's the same notes, but out of order. Is it? Yes. Yeah, okay. I get what you're saying.

Yeah, no, I hear it, yeah. It's reordering those intervals. That plays on ESPN, and then it will be like, you know, with the 21st pick in the NFL draft, the Green Bay Packers select Mark Saxon, linebacker from the University of Florida and everyone loses their fucking minds. What a country. Alex just gave us a big thumbs down.

He's mouthing this fucking sucks. He's a Packers fan who wanted them to draft a running back. All right. Let's talk about, let's talk about, here's what I want to do first. I want to have a taxonomical discussion. Yes. Because when we're talking items, I have an idea of what that is, but we should all be on the same page.

Okay. We're not talking swords, obviously. I don't think so. Fucking what? This, okay. Fucking what? Okay. That's why we're having this conversation. Are swords items?

Everything is an item. You can pick it up. You sort it in your inventory. I had two thoughts about this. Yes. I have one thought that I think Tears of the Kingdom items are off the table because it could be anything. Yes. I was thinking this, like the devices. Yes.

Because almost my entire list would be those devices. Why are we discussing the rules on the show? I'm just saying also because I think some of the items are spoilers. Yes. At this point in the release. I think Tears of the Kingdom off the table. Tears of the Kingdom off the table. Second thing.

So Apple Gun off the table. Yeah, you can't do an Apple Gun. I'm sorry, you don't want me to have an apple gun? I thought this was America. And then my second thought was, I think drafting the Master Sword is bad. I think it's bad. You say no swords.

I don't know. You get it? Yeah, I think it's bad, and I don't want to get into it. This is like a mind game so that he can draft it no matter where he falls in the water. Look, I'm not going to lie and say it's bad, and I don't want to get into it. This is like a mind game so that he can draft it no matter where he falls. Look, I'm not going to lie and say it's not on my list, but if we're all gunning for the Master Sword, only one of us is going to get it. I'm not gunning for the Master Sword, but if you're going to tell somebody, like, if our triforce of podcasting involves somebody whose power is combat, and you tell me I can't draft a sword? But I think that's a weapon, not an item. And I think

there is daylight there. A bow, not a weapon? No, I think a bow is an item. But it's also a weapon. I can see. No, okay. I think this is a taxonomy that's resulting from just like where you are imagining the pause screen. You know, like on Ocarina of Time, you've got the items

on one thing and then you press Z and you go over and you've got your tunics and your swords and your shields and it's like and you can't put them on c buttons you know i'm like is it is it just c button items i mean like because i'm also thinking back to the legend of zelda the original on nes which was my on ramp and my i believe that a bow there is categorized as an item in fact i think it's perhaps the it's the first or second dungeon you clear you get the bow and that's the case with a lot of 2D Zeldas. So are shields items? That's what I was also going to ask.

That's my next question. Shields? Question mark? Well, I did not nominate the mirror shield, right? But it is clearly an item that does a thing. Right. So then shields are items. And if shields are items, so are swords.

Well, okay. Well, what if we say items, so are swords. Well, okay. Well, what if we say swords, yes, but no one can draw off the Master Sword? Hmm. Interesting. Master Sword is off the table. You have to, like, you'll get the Master Sword at some point in the future in your quest. Because everyone wants it. Yeah, we'll all get it.

Right. Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair. I think we could say, look, I think we could just ban the Master Sword. I think it's banned. We're doing what government can't do. We're banning the most powerful weapon. Wow, that was so easy. Yeah, we just did it.

Weird. Yeah, we all just decided. You haven't seen the destructive force of the Apple Gun. I think we're in a good spot then. Because I think there are some swords that are items. Well, I mean, not to get nerdy about it, but in Majora's Mask there is a sword that you equip to the C buttons. I mean, that's a fucking item.

That's an item. But then there's also nitty gritty because there's a bunch of different types of shields. I think if we're going to draft shields, it has to be shields at all. Not pot lid, not. Right. What? Yeah. That's tough.

But mirror shield is a different shield than like. I think mirror shield is different. No. Than other shields? Yes. I mean, yeah, it's got a mirror on it. Yeah, I think it's different. It's not.

That's mental. Well, there's the magical shield, which you can get in the legend. Like, that's a shield. That's its own shield. That's a more powerful shield, but a light light can also eat it. Is boomerang a sword? I think boomerang is not a sword. No, definitely not.

I think boomerang is an item. But boomerang is a weapon. I mean, yes. It's definitely a weapon. I had a question about whether we're drafting sort of categories. Like, would one, for example, draft Bow, or would you draft Lionel Bow? Lionel Bow. Right.

That's what I thought. This is tough. This is tough stuff. Because I think that's more fun. I want it to be a more granular draft. So I think you should be able to draft Lionel Bow. I want to prove how much I know about Zelda. Why don't you just, like, how about you line it up to, yeah, let's get as specific as possible.

That's fine. Okay, great. Okay. Nitty gritty. All right. So how do we determine what? Are we counting heart containers? No.

Okay. That's an upgrade. I thought about this too, Nick. Kind of is an item though. Look, it's kind of an item and it's kind of not. It's, you know. It doesn't go in your inventory though. No.

It just added to your life. Yes. I have one more question. Okay. Are slates on the table? Can you draft the Sheikah slate? Yes. Yeah.

Okay. I think so, yes. Yes. That's a big one. Slates are on. Okay, got it. All right, great. All right, let's get into it.

Who wants to go first? Maybe Libby goes first? Let Libby go first, yeah. Oh, shit. I was supposed to think of this beforehand wasn't I because I did not do that I'm gonna go ahead I'm gonna draft Lionel Bow

wow nice because oh isn't that satisfying and it shoots three at once you load three bomb arrows into that fucker and it just

that is really good that's a great a great pick a great pick excellent pick and I'm glad I stood by Lionel Bow being an item

because I think it's an excellent like like getting it also makes you feel awesome. Oh, yeah. Like the first time you take down a Lionel, you're like, yeah, fuck yeah. Yeah. Get that mighty Lionel Boe. Yeah. Does anyone, I mean, like I'm fine to do this, however, but we could kind of, are we doing snake style or should we just go one at a time? Oh, no.

Snake style. should we just go one at a time? Oh, no. Snake style. Please don't. You turn a color of red I've never seen when you do this. It's humiliating. It's so embarrassing to do it. It's hard. I think we could go around the table snake style. What do you think?

Okay, great. That sounds good to me. Should that go like this and then back? Yeah, perfect. Okay, great. I'm going to choose the Wind Waker. Wow. Oh, that's so good.

So the Wind Waker is the magical baton that changes the direction of the wind in a game where you spend most of your game sailing. It also activates other powers. where you spend most of your game sailing. It also activates other powers. But for me, the primary and most exciting thing about the Wind Waker was being like, oh man, I want to go that way. So I'm going to change the wind, the air pressure systems of Hyrule

and direct my boat over in that direction by changing the direction of the wind. I loved it. I love the music, which would have been my other choice in that direction by changing the direction of the wind. Wow. I loved it. I love the music, which would have been my other choice in the music of Zelda. I love the music when you're on that boat. Yeah. The Wind Waker itself. And also the way that you use that sea, that nub, that Nintendo nipple.

The little clit, yeah. Yeah. And you kind of direct, you direct it with the nub. It's like you're actually making the gesture that you would make if you had the baton in your hand. You'd roll the alphabet on it. The wind waker.

The wind waker. All right, Apodaca, you're up. Okay, I hate to do this. You're gonna fucking draft the master sword. No. I'm going to draft an item that I believe to be equally powerful and useful. An empty bottle. Ooh.

God damn it, Matt. An empty bottle. I was sitting here rubbing my little hands together. Yeah, you little sick pig. I saw it. Snag a bottle with one of my picks. I can put a fairy in there. I can put some, you know, health potion.

I can put whatever I goddamn want. It's an empty bottle. Excellent. Really good. I love it. That's my pick. I was so proud. That's a great fucking pick.

Yeah, I know. So far, three for three. I was about to pick the bottle. The bottle's off the table. Nick wanted to put hooch in it. Fucking lush. I'm going to make two picks for mobility. One for mobility and one just because I think it's such an important item.

First one, I want that hook shot. Hook. No. Well done. Shit. Versatile in multiple Zeldas. And the other one I'm going to take it's a titular item

like the Wind Waker. Give me the Ocarina of Time. Wow. Excellent. Wow. Really, really good. Would have liked a bottle, but it's fine. Baby wants his bobble. Ocarina was on my list and I want to say why? Because up until Ocarina's in my list, and I want to say why.

Because up until Ocarina's in the game, you have been a fan of Zelda music as a kid, like playing through all of these games. And to give you the ability to interact with that music as like a core, like I think the Ocarina is akin to a lot of the building stuff that you can do in Tears of the Kingdom in that like, oh, that's a thing I like. Now I get to do it. Yeah. When I realized that you could, and I forget exactly how it works. Libby, you played the game more recently, you remember. But like you can fluctuate the pitch beyond the limited number of notes it gives you to play like a 12-note scale with either the shoulder buttons or...

It's a joystick. Yeah, that's right. It's a joystick. And, like, that was, like, one of the first things I was like, oh, I can do this. I'm going to try to play the Zelda theme on the Ocarina of Time. And you can do it. That's what everybody does. That's what everyone does. Yeah, I looked it up on the internet. You can play the Simpsons theme. It's great.

I feel like one of the steward constructs here, like, you're coming to me with the Zelda questions, and I'm just, my little head is popping out. It is the joystick. I love those guys. I know, so sweet. Let's go back to Matt. Okay. Stop cackling.

I don't like it when you cackle. He's Ganon, I told you. Watch out for him. You fools. You absolute fools. Foolish mortals. The paraglider, baby. I'm ground-trapped in the paraglider.

Excellent. Great choice. I love it. Great. I love the paraglider. The way the sound it makes when it flaps out. Yep. I love it.

It's so fun. I wonder. I've never made this connection in my brain. I wonder if that sound is the same sound as the sail in Wind Waker. Oh. Oh, I would love to know that. Because they're the same, like, fabric, like. Yeah. Yeah.

Could be. They're definitely similar, yeah. Could be. It's really great. In this one, I'm excited to customize it. Ooh. Get some, you know, don't get too much. I might get to the end of the game without it.

Yeah, so far you don't have it. I knew you wouldn't miss it because you currently don't have it. Accidentally doing a challenge run. But yeah, that's my

second pick. The paraglider. How many picks are we doing? That's a great question. I mean, we should at least do a triforce of items.

Yeah, definitely. We were just going to keep going until we all died. We're all going to visibly age. All right, that goes to Heather. I just want to see what happens when I say the next item. Okay, great.

My next item is horse. Wow. Is a horse an item? This is interesting because we didn't, we litigated a lot before we started, but we didn't cover a horse.

Yeah, we only banned one thing. Yeah. I didn't think that you would, someone would draft horse is a horse an item. I think we gotta let it, we gotta let it. You can't add a horse

to your inventory is the thing. But you can add a horse to an inventory. Yes, you can your inventory is the thing. But you can add a horse to an inventory. Yes, you can put it in the stable. We're going to have to let the courts decide this one, I think. It's a big, like when you get like a Hona in Ocarina of Time, that's like, you know, and you can kind of, that's just like your horse. That kind of works the way a Zelda item does.

I guess. I guess so. I guess. I guess so. I guess it works. The horses you had from Breath of the Wild carry over to Tears of the Kingdom. Wait, what? Yes. Go to a stable.

They're there. You can take them out. Wait, how does it know? If you have the save data, it knows. So if you download the save data, if my save data is in the cloud, you download it to your console? Yeah.

And your horses are there? Yeah. My horses are there. My prized horse, Matt, is in the game. Holy shit, that's awesome! You played Breath of the Wild when you were eight years old. I know, I named two of my horses

after my cat, so sort of, and then one of them, I was like, you know what, one of these should be Matt. And he's like a maxed out horse, I use him all the time. Fuck, that's great! That's great! No, I was really mad because I like fucking caught a horse and it was, you know, took

time and I took it to the stable and I looked at my phone and everyone was like, oh, hey, by the way, you know that your horses carry over? I got this fucking

like, you know, royal horse. It's perfect. I remember trying to turn in the god and they were like, you can't, you cannot put that in a stable.

Like the glowing like beast of the forest or whatever. So funny. Yeah. So my second item is horse. Okay. Which is one of the most important items that you can have as a swordsman named Link or whatever you want to name him. Jeff. Horse. Horse. All right, Libby, you get two name him. Jeff. Horse.

Horse. All right, Libby, you get two picks in a row. Ooh. I'm going to go with a little curveball here, which is the spinner from Twilight Princess. Wow. Because what the fuck was that about? Why did they do that?

That's great. And then I guess I'm going to have to go with another curveball because it's the one that I remember right now and it's the lens of truth because truth is important and democracy dies in darkness

wow alright get out of our country that's great those are great picks great picks isn Great picks. Isn't it so satisfying when you see something that's hidden by the lens of truth and you're like, you tried to sneak this by me, but you didn't. Yeah. Gotcha.

They should hold the lens of truth up to former President Donald Trump. Well done, Matt. Back to Heather. I'm going to pick this because I'm assuming it's my final pick. But I do have another pick if we need to go. I think we'll at least go one more round. So we'll go to you. We'll go to me.

I'll get two picks. That'll take me to four total. Yeah. Okay. Then I won't have to pick this because I'm pretty sure nobody else will. Okay. I'm going to choose Amiibo as my third item. You just always want to break whatever we're doing here.

That's my way I interact. Nick, you can't say that with how we behave. But that's the way also I interact with the world. It's like, oh, these are the rules? Hmm. Let's see if I can get some other things into the crevices between rules. It's such an interesting pick because it's technically

correct. It is like a literal item. Yeah. And then it also produces items in the game. This is tough. This, you know, who am I to say no? I'm just a guy. Yeah, no, I think it's valid. Alright, so

the Nintendo Amiibo are like the little figurines that you can tap on the system itself and they will drop items into the game and in Breath of the Wild

you get like treasure chests and fruit and all sorts of shit I don't know what it does in Tears of the Kingdom because I felt a little uncomfortable

dropping stuff in while I'm I'm enjoying the limits of the Kingdom because I felt a little uncomfortable dropping stuff in while I'm enjoying the limits of the game itself. But I might tonight break out all my Link and Zelda Amiibo and see what I can get by tapping that shit to the game. But yeah, Amiibo is my third pick.

Legend of Zelda Amiibo. Wow. Fuck, I have that cereal box. What? She just remembered cereal exists, and it's really great. I mean, I like cereal. No, there's a Nintendo cereal that came out that was an Amiibo. Oh.

And I have it, and I've never used it. I didn't know that. Yeah, an actual Mario cereal had an amiibo built into the box itself. Wow. You have to keep the box. You have to keep the box, and you can tap the box, and then that'll give me items in Zelda. Was the cereal good? All cereal apparently is really bad for you.

And as a lifelong cereal eater, this was... Hard to hear. I mean, it's like I'm sure if Don Draper found out about smoking, he'd be bummed out. And for me. They hadn't told him yet. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I got to break out that cereal box and see what that gives me. Wow.

I don't think I'm in danger if I don't pick this item, but I think it's such a unique item that I feel like I just have to pick it. It's from A Link Between Worlds for the Nintendo 3DS. And in that game, you can be 3D or you can become flat. And that is with the power of Ravio's Bracelet. So I'm picking Ravio's Bracelet because it's such a fun form of traversal and puzzle solving when you become flat and have to walk along the walls.

Very, very fun. It's pretty good. Yeah. It's pretty good. That's my third pick, Ravio's Bracelet. Ravio's Bracelet, an excellent pick. Here's the thing. I have to go a little bit nostalgic for this next one, going back to Zelda 1.

I know this is not like a top-tier item. I know this is a personal pick. But a moment that absolutely blew my mind as a little boy is when you were able to get to one of the docks that you see across the world map, and you can finally cross over it. And that magical sting plays that we know so well. And to do that, to get across the seas, you get yourself a raft. I'm taking Zelda 1 raft. Wow. Wow.

You can build one of these in Tears of the Kingdom. So it has its own legacy. You know, you strap three rocks or three logs together. Not three rocks. That's not going to float. Yeah. Oh, that's why my raft didn't work. Like, Nick, that's not going to work.

No, it's going to. I put a sail on these three rocks. Honestly, this has already got me thinking, how many fans would you have to, like maybe if you just attach enough fans, it'll float. I'm going to go home and try that. To a rock? Yeah.

Yeah. I think we should all spend a little bit of time on some blueprints and then propose some machines in like a Shark Tank style episode.

Oh my God. Strap a Korok to it as a test subject. There you go, buddy. Godspeed. No, the raft is like, don't know it's it's that was my like my a lot of the shit that happens in that game is just like you're seeing stuff and you don't know its purpose and that was the first time i experienced that in a video game of like what is this things what are these little things that are jutting out from the shores what do they mean

and then you reach a point where you get a raft item from one of the dungeons, and then all of a sudden the world is even more open than it already was. So I have a lot of affection for that raft. And here's the other thing. You're going to be trotting around Hyrule. You're going to need some rupees, and you want to hold on to some rupees.

You're going to need the giant's wallet or giant wallet because it changes game to game. So give me the big wallet, giant wallet because it changes game to game. So give me the big wallet. Wow. Giant wallet. Very nice. Nice. It's true.

You got to have a place to store that cash. Yeah. That's always a limiting factor. You get a bunch of money. It's like, my wallet's too small. What am I supposed to do with this? I got to get a big one. It'll leave some of this on the ground.

We're all carrying so much money on us right now. You have to. In today's society, in today's right now. You have to. In today's society, in today's cash world. It's true. All right, Matt, back to you. We're doing one final pick. One final pick.

And this is going to think, I think it's going to be a big one. Wow. Because we talked about this item, but nobody's picked it yet. I got to pick the fucking boomerang, baby. Boomerang's a good item. I love the boomerang. And the boomerang's back, too. You can get a boomerang, baby. Nice. Boomerang's a good item. I love the boomerang.

And the boomerang's back, too. You can get a boomerang. That's how they work. Well, hell yes. Libby Watson, everyone. Yeah, that rules. It's back in the game. You can get different boomerangs,

and you can attach items to the boomerang. Well, I'll say no more than that. But boy, oh boy. I'm happy that he's back and I'm glad he's on my roster. Whew. The boomerang.

Good choice. Yeah. Good choice. There is an item in The Legend of Zelda Legacy that has basically painted its bullseye on my heart

and thrown a dart right at the center of myself. And this is an item that I'm pretty sure nobody else wanted or cared for. And so I feel also a lonely sort of ownership over this item. In the Wind Waker, you could get the Tingle Tuner, which would allow you to connect your Game Boy Advance to your GameCube and unlock separate side missions and stories that weren't available in the main game. And as a person who loves accessories and peripherals, I was like, holy shit, are you kidding me? There's a like a little map that you can use to locate items. There are secret items in dungeons that tell a story called the Legend of the Fairy. And you can also complete a side quest that allows you to meet Tingle's brother, Knuckle.

That doesn't even make sense. Why? His name should be something else. Like Pingle? Yeah, like Pingle. Dingle? Dingle. Bingle even.

Tongle? Tongle's good. Anyway, it was a mini map, a separate game, separate side stories, and an additional character, all for getting the Tingle Tutor. Which, of course, when they re-released it as Wind Waker HD, they had to remove from the game. Right. Because you could no longer hook up your Game Boy Advance. We used to be a country. Yeah, you can say that now.

And who knows which one I mean? I cannot tell you guys the pleasure of being able to connect your Game Boy Advance to a GameCube and be like, holy fucking shit. How is this not the biggest, most important thing in gaming right now? What if you got to 100 hours into Tears of the Kingdom or whatever and you're like, oh, there's this quest I haven't done. And then right at the end of it, it's like, scan your Game Boy printer. Like, they could do that. It's Nintendo. They could do it.

Like, they could celebrate these, instead of basically shitting on us with, you know, any of the collector characters in these games are like absolute losers. Like, they could just give us like a wink and a nod and be like, hey, you still have that Game Boy Advance cable? What? Why don't you open up that memory card slot?

And you'll be like, no. And then it plugs into it and you're like, no. Oh, well. Yeah, and it gives you a way to access the eShop. It gives you one gold coin for the eShop. Alright, I guess it's me. I would say

knowing that the Master Sword is off the table, I would like to draft the Big Goron Sword. Oh yeah. Wow. Because it does more damage than the Master Sword, except for on one enemy and Ganon. And the trade quest to get it is really fucking hard.

Like, you know, when you're nine or whatever, trying to get the, you know, there's a timed trade quest at the end. The last couple of things you have to do, you have to get them from one place on the map to the other with a pona without using warps and doing that as a kid was just such a triumph and then the item you get is so good because it really sucks when you do a long quest and then the item you get is just shit um but it was both so good and uh also like early enough available early enough in the game to feel, like, worth doing. Right.

That was really cool. Because you, like, repair it, right? It's like, yeah, you find it and it's busted. I had those flipped in my head of, like, I had that. I thought that. But I looked at the great fairy sword is the one of Majora's Mask. Yes. That's the big boy you get from the Stone Tower Temple. Yeah.

Yeah. And I have another pick, right? I think we're all at four, right? Oh, okay. Well, no big deal. I mean, we could do another round. No. I think we're good. No, right? Oh, okay. Well, no big deal. I mean, we could do another round. No. I think we're good.

No, I don't think we could. What was it going to be? It was going to be light arrows. Wow. Mine was going to be dubious food. That was, I mean, whatever. We might as well do it, Matt. Hmm.

I don't fucking know. Oh, Bombs. Bombs. Okay, Bombs. Crazy no one got Bombs. Bombs is a good one. I'll take Sheikah Slate, and that means I have all those abilities, too. Fuck!

Cool. You want to review what we picked? Yeah, let's recap. Everyone talk through your five picks real quick. Libby? Hmm. I'm going to go ahead and use the rewind function on this

I'm going to go backwards in order so I did the big Goron sword, Lens of Truth Lionel Bow that was number one this is like that fucking test that they had Donald Trump do to see if his brain still works and he was like I did it perfectly because I've done that test and I didn't do it perfectly. Man, woman, person, camera,

TV? Was that it? I don't know. I think they might be different each time. No, what he said. What he said. Wow, he just rattled them off. Lens of truth. Shit. What did I say? This is so lame. Oh, spinner. Right. That was your fourth. Yeah, There we go. There you go. All right. I chose the Wind Waker itself, Amiibo, horse, dubious food, and the Tingle Tuner. I had the empty bottle, the paraglider, Ravio's bracelet, the boomerang, and then bombs.

Wow. Wow. bracelet, the boomerang, and then bombs. Wow. Wow. I chose the Ocarina of Time, the hookshot, the raft, the giant's wallet, and the Sheikah slate. And also, I can rent any item I want, like in Link Between Worlds. No!

That's a new thing I added. You can do that? Yeah, I can do it. I guess we could all do that then, too. What a draft. What a draft. A lot of fun. What a hoot.

So many great items in the Zelda franchise. Yeah. And now they don't really have the same. They're just different in the Breath of the Wild, Tears of the Kingdom era. It's not quite the same thing of like, oh, I got this new item. Holy shit. All the new possibilities that await me. All that stuff is front loaded.

And then you just figure out whatever the fuck you want to do. Well, in Tears of the Kingdom Kingdom it's like, you want items? Yeah. Make them. Yeah, exactly. Right, right, right. Guys, I saw, I saw a clip today

of somebody who had made a mothership and a drop drone and they flew in over a, like a, over an encampment and detached

the drone which then acted independently while they firebombed with the, with the mothership over an encampment and detached the drone, which then acted independently while they firebombed with the mothership. And it was fucking crazy. I saw someone made out of a log and two boulders,

a dick and balls, and then rotated it a bunch and then used rewind and totally fucked up an enemy and it was sick. I saw somebody build a mech. Yeah, we've seen the mech. It's pretty good.

It's great. I fused a stick and another stick. Made a really long stick. Two damage? Yeah. All right, let's do a segment. Can Nick, Heather, and Libby guess how long it takes to beat a game without going over?

It's game overtime. Wow. Shit. Game overtime. Now, and all these are sourced from howlongtobeat.com. Got it. Which I'll say for the room tends to be these are gamers who can get through things maybe a little faster than average. A little faster than average. A little faster than average.

As far as I'm... And there are usually three, they have three levels. Yeah. Main story, main and extra, completionist. I'm going to say for this one, you answer with any of those, you're right. Wow.

I have quite a few. And you'll see. But what if one person's closer to completionist and someone else is closer to main story? Then they'll get it. Who's they? Will both get it? I guess whoever closes without going over. Well, that's tough.

Main story only. All right. There we go. Okay. Cool. This first one. Here we go. We each guess.

Yes. Or do you buzz in? Buzz in, but if somebody doesn't get it right, you have another opportunity. Oh, okay, great. How about we do main story, and then if someone wants to guess completionist, they can. Okay. For a bonus point. Okay, bonus points completionist.

These are all entries in the Legend of Zelda franchise. Okay. This one's the Legend of Zelda franchise. Okay. Ba-na-na-na. This one's the Legend of Zelda, the original. How long does it take to beat the Legend of Zelda? Weiger. Nick. Seven hours.

Ha! That is... Well, does anybody else want to guess? Oh. Wait, what? Nick's incorrect. Can't we all guess? Yeah, you could all guess. Okay.

We'll just all guess and whoever gets closest gets it. All right. So Libby, you can go. Never played this game. No fucking idea what you're talking about. Raft? You insane? The raft is cool.

No, I think that's great. There's another thing I almost drafted is meat. Because you get a meat and then you have, there's a guy who like, he's just, he just is saying grumble, grumble. And then you hand him the meat and then he moves out of the way. And then you can progress, yeah. That's great. I'm going to have to play this game, I think. This is maybe a stream game.

It's dangerous to go alone. Take this. Comes from that game. Oh, wow. I've seen that on like a t-shirt or something. Yeah. I'm going to go five hours. Should we all guess and then you go?

Yeah, let's all guess and you decide who's closest. Three and a half. Nick's on the board with one point. It takes eight hours to complete the main story of The Legend of Zelda. Okay, so we'll do it like this. We'll just each guess and then you'll tell us who's closest. Completionist, can I guess, is Completionist, say, 29 hours? No, that's way over, actually.

Way over? Yeah. To do everything? To do everything. To finish both the first and second quests? Yeah. Wow, okay. What does it say?

It says 10 hours. Okay. All right. I guess it's doable. Snicks on the board. Next one. The Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time. Ooh.

21 hours. I'm gonna go 15. Okay. Eight hours. Wow. Nick's the closest. Main story, 26 and a half hours. Wow, okay.

All right. Chunky. It's a meaty game even if you know what you're doing. Grumble, grumble. Does anyone want to guess completionist? Completionist. What was it again? 26?

It was 26 and a half hours for the main story. I'm thinking about all the extra stuff you can do. I'm going to say like 32. Okay, anybody else? 41. 64. Libby gets an extra point. 39 hours.

Wow. Okay, now we're really cooking with gas. We're cooking with ingredients to not make dubious food, I should say. How about The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask? Majora's Mask. How long does it take to beat the main story of The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask? I'll go 23 hours.

Okay. See, I was going to go in the opposite direction because I think it takes longer because of all the time of day stuff you have to do. So I'm going to say 30. 17 hours. Heather gets the point. It's 20 and a half hours.

What? I thought it was smaller. It's a little smaller. Anybody have a completionist guest? Yes. I mean, getting some of that one mask took me fucking forever. Getting the last mask. Was it the couple's mask?

The wedding mask? Oh, my God. Because you have to resolve the quest at the final hour of the final day. And if you fuck it up, you have to redo all three days. That scared me so much as a kid. So stressful. Yeah. But if you really know what you're doing, maybe you can do it fast.

I'm going to say 41 hours I'm saying 35 35 26 an extra point for Heather wow 31 and a half hours so we have a

we currently have a tie Nick and Heather with 2 Libby with 1 there's still plenty of time to get on the board great everybody's on the board Everybody's on the board. Everybody's on the board.

Everybody's here. The Legend of Zelda, Twilight Princess. Oof. Twilight Princess. My least favorite Zelda game. Hmm. Hmm. I'll go first.

Go for it. 22 hours. 22 hours? I'm going to say 37 hours. Okay. 29 hours. Libby gets the point. 37 and a half hours.

Holy shit. Wow. Anyone care to guess for the completionist? 70 hours. Wow. I'll say like 50. Okay. Look at all those fucking bugs. 49.

49. It's 56. Libby with the bonus point. Nice. Oh. It's 56. Libby with the bonus point. Nice. Libby pulling ahead. Wow. Choo-choo. Choo-choo.

Grumble, grumble. Someone's on the spirit tracks. Okay, let's get a couple more out of here. The Legend of Zelda Link's Awakening 1993. Okay, so we're talking about the original Game Boy version. That's right. Not the remake for Switch. That's right. And not Legend of Zelda League of Legends, only getting

DX. Four hours. Hmm. I'm gonna say eight. Okay. Six. I guess Libby's closest. The answer?, 15 hours.

Holy shit. It's that long. On the Game Boy? It feels like it's short, but I think maybe because Game Boy, it's a little slower. You're moving a little slow. This is one of those ones where I just wonder about the sourcing. I wonder if there's like a fewer people have played this one

versus Legend of Zelda. But also, I can't speak to it because I didn't have a Game Boy, so I only played the Switch remake. Yeah, I only played that too. I loved it. It was really good. A charming remake. That's a big boy, 15 hours. You know what?

Then again, I guess they put a lot of content in those Pokemons on the fucking Game Boy. Man, boy do they. There's 150 of those fuckers. Those are big boys. Okay, the final one the Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild 600 hours how long does it take to beat the

main story so I started off strong here and then I'm kind of been flailing I think I can get it back because I feel like are people call like contests considering the main story um you know going and uh you know getting your four buddies and then going to fight Ganon or is that considered main plus extra and if you just like go straight to Ganon is that are we getting some skewed from people who are trying

to speed run this thing? Right. There is a speed running category of it. It's like all main quests. Yeah. Hmm. I'm going to say, I'm going to say that people are going in good faith here. I'm going to say 26 hours.

Hmm. Interesting. What are your buddies called again your buddies yeah you get the four buddies Mike Mitchell we're not friends

shoot the champions champions okay I'm gonna say I don't know I mean again maybe I'm just

maybe I'm just a simple country gamer I like to take my time with things but I'm gonna say like 45 okay alright so I'm just a simple country gamer and I like to take my time with things but I'm going to say like 45 okay alright so I'm going to have to change

35 it takes 50 hours to beat the main 50 hours Libby with the point holy shit I'm surprised it's that high anybody guess for the completionist 130 hours with the point. That was going to be my first guess. Holy shit. I'm surprised it's that high.

Anybody guess for the completionist? 130 hours. Okay. Because you got to get all those fucking Koroks. Yeah. Yeah, I'll say 115. 98.

Extra point for Nick. 189 hours. Good. But the winner of our game is our guest, Libby Watson. That is good. I think that should be. I'm the one wearing a Zelda shirt. That's true. It would have been also bad

if we invited you to be on the show and then just absolutely humiliated you. Send me home crying. Go back to England. Oh, you said you know Zelda. Think again. Hey, that's this week's Get Played. Links to our social media, you can find in the episode description. Our engineering is by Alex Gonzalez. Dead Air Alex G on Twitter and Instagram.

And also we have Get Animated going. Heather, we're starting a new series. We are starting an absolutely new series. And boy, oh boy, Twitter is excited to hear it. We're going to be watching the melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya in broadcast order, and the boys don't know what they're in for. The series is available on Crunchyroll. We will be watching, oh boy. Okay, so it's episode 11 of season one, a.k.a. episode 25 of season two, which is also known as episode zero, is the first episode we're watching. And then the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episode one is our second episode.

I've made a helpful grid that I will be posting that will be posted on social media by the time you hear this. And it'll also be on our Patreon in the Discord so that way nobody's ever lost or confused about what we're watching. Broadcast order

Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya starting this week on Get Animated. Which you can find at patreon.com slash getplayed. Libby Watson, our guest.

Libby, thank you so much for being here. What a delight. An absolute joy. What an honor to be invited in. Oh my goodness. Please come back. Twitch.tv slash LibTron. You can

check out your Twitch stream and anything else you'd like to plug? No, I don't think so. I think the week this comes out I'll be learning how to play American Truck Simulator with my friend Tom Walker, who is a fan of this show as well. Hi Tom. And has his own excellent stream. And also his fiance, Demi Lardner, has a wonderful stream. So go this show as well and has his own excellent stream and also his

fiance Demi Lardner has a wonderful stream so go watch those as well as mine. Well there you go. And thank you for being here but unfortunately we have to say what we say to all of our guests which is that you got played. Yeah sorry about that. Oh no. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha