Get Played - The Legend of Zelda: A Pod to the Cast: Tiers of the Kingdom with Mike Mitchell

Episode Date: May 1, 2023

Nick and Matt kick off The Legend of Zelda: A Pod to the Cast, our month-long exploration of all things Zelda, with Mike Mitchell (The Tomorrow War, Doughboys) to make a tier list of all the console Zelda games. Which game receives the Z tier?! They also discuss the upcoming Twisted Metal TV show, the AI president tier lists, and more! This month's We Play, You Play: The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom!  Follow us on Twitter and Instagram @getplayedpod. Check out our premium series Get Anime'd On patreon.com/getplayed or on Stitcher Premium. Join us on our Discord server here: https://discord.gg/getplayed Wanna leave us a voicemail? Call 616-2-PLAYED (616-275-2933) or write us an email at [e-mail] Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Sonobe, Kyoto Prefecture, Japan. In an era before what we knew as video games even existed, a young boy named Shigeru Miyamoto would spend his days exploring forests and caves, looking for the myriad secrets within. And it's these formative experiences that would later inspire a foundational piece of interactive art, the 1986 Famicom game, The Hyrule Fantasy, Zelda no Densetsu, better known by its North American title, The Legend of Zelda. Miyamoto's fascination with the magic of the natural world evokes comparison to- Yeah. What's up? What the hell are you doing?

Oh, I'm just introducing the show like I always do, you know, with my scripted analog. No, that's not how we do shit here, okay? That's how we do like a little skit or something, you know? It's like a little... Well, I don't understand. I mean, Mike Mitchell is here, my co-host, and I read my little intro in front of him. That's Doughboys.

You do that for Doughboys. This is Get Played. Oh, I did it again. Oh, I'm just the world's biggest goofball. Yeah. You must have taken your fucking dipshit pills. Oh, I thought because Mitch is where Heather normally is. So I thought it was the other podcast.

No, that's the thing. We had Mitch on. Oh, I'm a real dope. Oh, I feel like a fool. It's okay. Accidents happen, you know. I think we should just, you know, let's just do what we were gonna do. Right.

I'm sorry. I feel really dumb, but... That's okay. Why don't I just give my little tag to set up the show, and then we'll just get into it. Okay, great. This week on Get Played, TGI Fridays. No, Nick! We practice the Ocarina and Awaken Link as we tier list the mainline Zelda games in T-I-E-R-S of the kingdom

as The Legend of Zelda A Pod to the Cast begins this week on Get Played. Thank you. Welcome to Get Played, your one-stop show for good games, bad games, and every game in between. It's time to get played. I'm Nick Weiger, along with Matt Apodaca. Hey, listen, everyone. Wow. Instead of hello, everyone. That's right. Your catchphrase has been Zelda-fied.

I guess you could say it's Zelda month. That's right. Heather, who's normally with us, is on her honeymoon. But we're not talking honeymoons. We're talking blood moons because it's Zelda month. We are not talking about honeymoons. If it comes up, I walk. I don't want to hear that shit.

Yeah, we won't have it in this episode. No. This episode, we are going to begin The Legend of Zelda, a pod to the cast, which we are continuing all May long. That's right. And that means that this month's We Play, You Play, the culmination of The Legend of Zelda, a pod to the cast, will be The Legend of Zelda, Tears of the Kingdom, a full episode dedicated to the new release coming on Monday, May 29th. And I'm going to commit us all to this right now. We'll have completed it. We will all have 100%ed the

game in the 12 days since it released. That's right. By the time the episode comes out. We'll mess around with it. It's going to get messed with for sure. Hey, you know who else messed around and found out sake of america their employees unionized uh-oh yeah great news that's good that's great we love

it we love to we love to see it usually that phrase is used in a way that's like you fucked up but they actually did a good good job well i meant the the company the company fucked around and then the yeah and then they found out that they employees could consolidate and become a unionized workforce. So good for them. One of the major studios. Like one of the big named ones to do that. An iconic company. Yes.

So hats off. I love it. I love to hear it. As I've mentioned before countless times in this podcast, I used to work in the video game industry in various capacities. Yeah. In QA, in customer support, in design. It is a very shitty industry. And so it's nice to see some steps being taken forward

for labor to assert its power. It's so weird for an entertainment-adjacent industry to be bad. On that note, I should mention, as of this episode's release, this episode's coming out on May 1st. Yes. That is the day that the WGA's contract expires. That is the union to which I belong, to which Heather belongs. I believe our guest is a member as well.

And so there's a possibility that the day after this episode releases, the Writers Guild of America will be on strike. So we'll wait and see, you know, hopefully, I think, I feel like everyone's always hoping for, you know, the best, but preparing for the possibility that there could be a work stop. That's right. And of course, if there is a strike, we're with the strikers, baby. 100%. Yes, 100%.

Anyway, our guest today. Not me. Oh, boy. Oh, shit. That's a bad first impression. I'm a union buster, baby. Come me. Oh, boy. Oh, shit. That's a bad first impression. I'm a union buster, baby. Come on, full scab. Craig Mazin in studio.

Our guest today from Killing It in the Tomorrow War and the podcast Doughboys. This summer, you can see him on Twisted Metal on Peacock. Mike Mitchell is here. What's up, Mitch? I'm writing Tomorrow War II when everyone else is fucking picketing. Oh, gosh. I mean, look.

Cowan comes back. I'll scab with you. I'm ready for Tomorrow War 2. Tomorrow War? What would they be doing? Tomorrow War. Yeah, that's really good. Today War, probably, actually.

Today War is pretty good, too. That's pretty good, too. I think... Well, that'd be a prequel. Today War is pretty good that's pretty good too i think uh i well that'd be pretty good it's a prequel yeah today war i guess but because of time travel it's a sequel got it yeah okay that makes sense too i don't know i well whatever look i'm not in i'm not in the union i am in the union and of course support the union i'm one of the union people that they were like you haven't worked you haven't written in 10 years. You're more of an actor.

You're very. I made that choice. Yeah. You're an active member of SAG-AFTRA. Brave of you. Thank you. And also it is funny that you went from a really bad industry to maybe a worse one. I actually think that that one, I think video games are on the

rock. I think that they're probably getting into better labor and practices over on that side of it. And then the industry you're in has gotten into worse stuff. At least for podcasting. Yeah, I was going to say, we're all in the best one. Podcast industry,

baby. Which, by the way, how often do people comment on this building and the place that you're in? Not very often, but go off, King. I just, like, it's in my mind it would be funny if you guys were the only podcast in this building. I will say right now, we absolutely are. I think you have Patriot Radios down the hall. Wow. They're not here.

I've described the offices where we now record Get Played as the bridge of a Star Destroyer. It very much feels, it's very funny. I mean, you even warned me, not warned me, but you told me about it. It's a different vibe from a lot of podcasts. You're not going to see any of the Whack Pack. It's okay. I would love to see the whack pack I know me too

I saw I saw Baba Booey one time on the street and it was the most starstruck I've ever been in my life I was so excited that's huge

yeah it was great people were taking pictures of them I didn't stop them Baba Booey is a better sighting than like seeing like whatever Jude Law is pretty good

I'd love to see Jude Law I'd like to see Jude Law too I'd like to see Jude Law too. I was just talking about him today. But if you saw Baba Booey, isn't that like fun? Like I'd maybe see Jude Law and I wouldn't tell people. But if I saw Baba Booey,

I think I'd tell everybody. I saw Tim Curry in line at Gelson's once and that was like the perfect nexus of like that guy. I know who that is. That guy is awesome. And I would never expect to see him in person in such a mundane scenario.

I saw Channing Tatum at Gelson's one time. The bluest, most beautiful eyes I've ever seen. Channing Tatum? Yeah. Do you know, I had a similar experience, I've told Wyzes before, but with Jay Leno. Really? Yeah, I've heard he has piercing eyes. Okay.

He has beautiful blue eyes, Jay Leno. Because I used to work at the improv, I would see Jay around quite a bit because he was like he would pop in there sometimes and it it was surreal seeing him because he's such like a character like he's such like a person on television you don't sort of think you're gonna ever see him in real life where you're like oh no he's like a real man yeah he just shows up and he's like a normal like nice like guy yeah it was very strange i think he is kind of a nice guy but i also a psychopath i don't want yeah no of course i'm gonna call him a national treasure that's my that's my thought on jay leno i think i love jay can i just say he must be protected at all costs well you're doing

a bad job of it oh yeah i yeah it's my sole duty to do it and i am not holding up my end of the bargain poor guy he's he is uh He is I mean like he's gone through a couple Two-Face origin story moments. Here's something. My face is on fire. Remember there was a run of things that happened. Yeah, he got in an accident

too. Which I'm worried is him, I don't know how old he is. I don't have a clock on how old he is, but I'm like, oh, he's going to start having to put away his toys. I think one of his marbles went to an exhaust pipe and it exploded in his face. You know what?

We haven't seen the dancing Eetos in a while, and I think they might, you know, we shouldn't assume they weren't involved. Yeah, that's a good, I agree. I think they should get to the bottom of this, honestly. Yeah. If who else? Them. I want to...

Just to go back real quick, because I do want to talk about... Yeah. So wait, one of your engineers is left. Heather's not here. That's right. What's going on over here? Everything's fine. Everything's fine.

Mitch, everything's fine. Have you seen a meme of the This Is Fine dog? That's how things are going. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Everything's fine. No, Heather will be back next Yeah. Yeah, it's great. Everything's fine. No, Heather will be back next week. Yeah, Heather just had to go get married.

I mean, I don't blame her for leaving, but I also... There's very much a feel of like the Titanic. This does feel like the unsinkable ship, this studio. I think that's when they christened the SiriusXM studios, they said, the uncancellable podcast network. Yeah, that's what the, when they christened the serious XM studios, they said, uh, the uncancellable podcast network. Yeah, that's right.

I, I want, uh, Mitch, I want to ask you about twisted metal, but I do want to go back to what, uh, what you said about the,

you know, the labor conditions in the entertainment, various entertainment. No, I've just, I've just, I just, just to clarify,

just based on my own experience, it's still pretty atrocious in video games. It's getting better, but you know, I know, I'm just I'm just I just just to clarify, just based on my own experience, it's still pretty atrocious in video games. It's getting better. But, you know, I know I know I think the I think the you know, the major most of the major TV shows and movies you see are produced are union productions. biggest budget, highest profile releases are non-union. So I think there's work to be done. But you're definitely right that there is an ascendancy in labor power that we're seeing in the video game industry. And we hope there's more of it. Can we talk about Twisted Metal a little bit? Jesus Christ.

That shit's going to put me to sleep, everything he said right there. So this is why I brought you. We brought you because I'm like, I need help. It's going great. ASMR podcast. Yeah, like my specific ASMR thing that I love is boring stuff. I love talking about like a serious issue for like 45 seconds and then they get fucking blasted.

Everyone's like, boo. Skip ahead. skip it. This is the Marin monologue part of the show. Listeners falling asleep in the shower and breaking their necks because of you. Why do people listen to podcasts in the shower? That's wild to me. I know, pounding off while you're listening to a pod. So my hot water went out today and Weiger asked if I was able to finish jacking off.

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That's right. Wags, the trailer, this is dated. You don't like when I do this. No, this is great. On our like when i do this no this is great uh the doughboys podcast um you behave however you want here today baby uh all right no i'm gonna get in line this is this is not my place but but uh take your shoes off do whatever you want take my shoes off who do you think i am an audition who am i quentin tarantino should i have not said that we can bleep that later that's okay

yes Twisted Metal I don't mean to date this but the trailer comes out tomorrow you're not you're not dating it too much because this episode will be out on the Monday

so it'll just be a few days so it came out on Friday yeah it came out on Friday it just came out on Friday and I saw some art a poster was released right yeah there was posters released the poster was released today

I don't know how official the poster is, but it's very funny to read. You and I, Wags, talked about this. Yes. But it's very funny to see because, look, I'm looking up every comment that gets made because I do that with Doughboys, too, which is horrible. Very smart. Good use of your time. Yeah, I don't also do that.

I mean, people want to see stuff that people say about the show. I think that that's a thing that's happened forever. People want to see how people react to it or whatever. Sure. But the funny thing with Twisted Metal is that people have always been like, they better not ruin this. I'm like, this is like the perfect video. To me, it's like there's lore and there's characters, but there's not like a ton of stuff where you can't have fun with it. You know what I mean?

Yes. There's not adaptable ton of stuff where you can't have fun with it. You know what I mean? Like, yes, there's not adaptable story. Right. It's like people have an idea of tone and like characters and, you know, settings. But it's just like, yeah, there's not this dense narrative that you have to adhere to. That's what I'm saying. And anyways, it was that sort of thing of they there's a lot of comments of people being like like i don't know i don't know if i'm gonna watch this like like there's a lot of stuff like that that i've seen of people being skeptical

about the show like that's been like the overwhelming thing that i've seen online not to be negative that's just what i've seen but i'm gonna tell you i think the show's gonna fucking blow their socks off wags wow i think the show is fun. I've watched the, I've watched, I've seen a little bit of it. They're all going to be like an audition. Hell, if I'm going down and you're coming with me,

then I guess that we're fine. That's so exciting. And like, I think one of the last times we were on dough boys, you show when Heather and I are not dough boys, you showed us a picture that was so exciting. I was like, I think one of the last times we were on Doughboys, when Heather and I were on Doughboys, you showed us a picture that was so exciting. I was like, I'm so excited for Mitch. It's going to be so cool. Because it has all the bones for, like, just like a fun action comedy.

That's like, I can't wait to watch it. I'm very excited. What can you talk about? Because, you know, I know you've got NDAs to worry about. But it's like, but you have, like, can you talk about your role on the show at all? I can say that I'm Stu of Mike and Stu, which are characters from Pussy Metal 2. So I can say that, I believe. It says here that in an effort to not necessarily promote sweet stuff all the time. Sweet tooth is just going to be tooth.

Yeah. I've heard that, yeah. Like, he'll be eating, like, carrots and stuff. We worked really, we worked closely with the American Dental Association. And sweet tooth is now tooth. Yeah, okay. It's actually, it's actually. Healthy tooth?

It's clean tooth. Oh, clean tooth. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Every time he comes on, he sparkles, yeah. Yeah, and we're actually, like, the villain, you know, there's Calypso. Cal time he comes on, he sparkles. Yeah. And we're actually the villain. You know, there's Calypso. Calypso is now gingivitis.

So it's kind of a dental hygiene message, just like large. Not so much about fun action driving or anything like that. It's more like brushing your teeth is good. Yeah. Well, the cars have brushes instead of tires. I heard that. Yeah. They're just kind of brushing around.

They don't put gasoline. They put toothpaste in the cars. Is heard that, yeah. They're just kind of brushing around. They don't put gasoline. They put toothpaste in the cars. Is that right? Yeah, you put toothpaste in the cars, and then the terrain is a tooth. So it's kind of like you're brushing it. Like, you know, when you're driving around, you're brushing a tooth.

Yeah. I'll say this, though. I think it's kind of subtle the way they do it. Well, look, I saw an early cut of the trailer, so that's all in there. I'm really excited to see that. I don't know. Well, now that Friday comes, I don't know if it's like, I think it might be like the teaser trailer tomorrow. I think is what it is.

But I think people will be excited about it. And can you edit me here in case I get in trouble? I think that there's a game coming. I mean, I guess in trouble? I think that there's a game coming. I mean, I guess I can say I think that there's a game coming because it's never been confirmed but I think one's going to come out. That would only make sense. I think I can say that. I think I can say I think a game is coming.

If you're speculating, I mean, I think a game's coming out too. Because I think that would track with what Sony's strategy has been. They released The Last of Us Part 1, not the PS5 remake or remaster of the original game. They released that with the HBO show. HBO shit. I wasn't saying HBO shit.

With the HBO show, and its sales exploded. So I would not be shocked if they were doing a similar thing. Maybe I'll just text you guys what I know. Okay. Okay, good. This is good. So we'll just go silent for a few minutes here. Yeah, I'll just text for a little bit.

All right, this is a photo of a big tongue. With an ice cream truck driving up it? People forget that you are supposed to brush your tongue. Yeah, you have to. Yeah, no, it's important. So it is a part of the show as well. All right, I'll text you. I'm going to just text you.

Okay. Mitch is texting right now. Yeah, he's using his thumbs. Which he normally doesn't do during a podcast. Oh, you know what? It's not going to work. Okay, great. You're in airplane mode. Oh, I'm in airplane mode. Oh, it's okay. thumbs. Which he normally doesn't do during a podcast. Oh, you know what? It's not going to work. Okay, great. You're in airplane mode.

Oh, I'm in airplane mode. Oh, it's okay. You can tell us after. Can we talk about, speaking of airplanes, Mitch, you just had a little bit of a travel trip. And I wanted to ask you, when you're on vacation, are you a guy who brings a Switch with you? Are you a plane gamer? You know what? I didn't bring my Switch with me, and I should have.

plain gamer you know i didn't bring my switch with me and i should have um i'm nervous about zelda tears of the kingdom because i know that it's going to take up so much of my life yes so that's the thing that i am kind of like genuinely nervous about but whatever it's it's going to be great well you're also a completionist and that's a that's a big part i know of you of of how you play games and i think that's one reason like you've been like maybe a little bit worried about like committing to a game like Elden Ring because you know it's just going to completely take over your life.

100%. I mean, I didn't even get Elden Ring for that reason. Right. But you like, just speaking of Zelda's, and we'll get to the series as a whole in a second,

but like I know when the Skyward Sword Remaster came out, you won 100% of that, right? I believe I did. Wow. Hmm. Wait, Skyward Sword? Yes.

Yeah. Skyward Sword I did 100%. Yeah. The Breath of the Wild, I don't know if I did 100%. That's a lot of Korok seeds. I think I got, and I was like,

all right, I'm going to do all the Korok seeds, and then I just eventually was like, I'm not going to do all the Korok seeds. There's too many Korok seeds. I didn't even try. If I found one, I found one. Isn't there like 999? Yeah, there's quite a few.

That's insane. Too many. Too many if you ask me. It's too many. Can we talk a little bit about a game that we talked about last week on the pod, which is another game I know you played and have some thoughts on, Mitch.

And I know that you're also a big fan of this franchise. Resident Evil 4, the remastered, just came out. Because you were going to say to me that you were going to bring up what I'm playing recently, what I've been playing recently. I've been like so trying to find, I've been trying to text you something

and I've been trying to think of the name of another game and then I haven't been able to find the name of the other game, so I've been Googling it. I shouldn't have looked at my phone to begin with. But I did text you guys an inside scoop. Okay, hold on. Let me see if I can see this inside scoop.

Just the two of you. I haven't gotten it yet. God damn it. Are you in airplane mode? I mean, my laptop isn't. Yeah, neither is mine. Oh, for fuck's sake. Hold on.

This is great content for our- Oh, I see it. By the way. I see the text. All right, I'm off airplane mode. And I remembered what the game was. And I put it back. I put it back on airplane mode.

Okay. I've seen it and I put it back. I just sent a final text. But I don't- It says, get me out of here? Um, but I don't, I don't. Just get me out of here. I've, I've been playing Resident Evil four.

Yeah. And I told you that I was like my least favorite of the, of the remakes of the remakes. And then I've changed my mind on a little bit. I think I really liked three as a remake. I didn't, it's four is the only one that I've played, so I can't speak to it. Yeah, 2 I think is the best. I didn't play the remakes. You didn't play 2?

No, I didn't play the remakes. I'm going to play 2. 2 is now in my queue. I played 2 on PS1, but I didn't play the remake. This is Get Played. What's happening? We're playing all sorts of games.

You can't play every game. Well, you should play Resident Evil. Look, I think Resident Evil is like... You're going to be mad at me when we get to the main segment later.

Oh, no. Well, Resident Evil to me is one of... I think Resident Evil is like... You're going to be mad at me when we get to the main segment later. Oh, no. Well, Resident Evil to me is one of, I think it's one of the top tier franchises in video games. If there's a Resident Evil game, look, if there's a Mario game, I'm always going to play it, which is crazy because I actually have never fully played the Galaxies. I've played them, but I've never gone all the way through them. But Resident Evil is one where I'm like, if there's a main console mainline game i'm i'm gonna try to play and it was difficult because i have been a nintendo guy my whole life right and then not until the ps4 maybe is when i got my play state when i started my playstation plays but also the crazy thing with like not till ps4 is that ps4 was like now 15 years ago whenever

like it was a long time 11 maybe and what also like the yeah 12 years ago you could play a lot of the resident evil games on other platforms like you know famously migrated to the nintendo gamecube you can play resident evil 1 resident evil 0 resident evil 4 and why i did i played the the i think resident evil 2 was the remake on Nintendo 64, right? Yeah, I think they had a port for the 64. I can't remember which one it was. It sounds right. I think that was my gateway into it, was that Resident Evil 2 port on Nintendo 64,

which might have been like, it was great. I loved it. And then there was a remake on GameCube. Was that the Resident Evil 1 remake? And that was also great. Yes, that's it. And then Zero. And then that's kind of where it...

And then Resident Evil 4 was on GameCube. But I think I played it on Switch. And I loved it. That was like where I was... I loved all the other ones before. But then I was like, I love Resident Evil 4. It's one of my favorite games of all time. I loved it on the Wii. And then when i replayed it again i was like oh i it's i now get the criticism of it back in

the day that it's like not as much of a resident evil game or whatever but i still it's still and then i played it and i was like yeah it's really my least favorite of the remakes and then since then i've been like oh it's really good and i've it's really good. And I've had fun with it in a way that I've never had fun with a game. It's that I'm not a game replayer. Like, when I'm done, I'm done. And that's why I don't even like popular. Like, I don't do online. What's the football game where you hit the fucking ball in with the trucks or whatever the fuck?

Oh, like Rocket League? Yeah, like Rocket League. I don't care about. Mario Kart was like the multiplayer game in Bond on Nintendo 64, Goldeneye. Those were like the two where I was playing over and over again. But since then, I don't really care about co-op or battle royales or anything like that. I like the story aspect and trying to beat the game and then being done with it or whatever. A campaign.

A campaign. I like a campaign. to beat the game and then being done with it or whatever. A campaign. A campaign. I like a campaign. And then this one, I have been having fun in the second replay because you're- So you finished it and started over. I finished and started over.

Like you're doing it with New Game Plus. Yeah. I'm in New Game Plus right now. Wow. And I've never, I don't usually do that for a while, but it's, I think that what's going to happen though is like when it gets hard again, I might fall out. Because last night I got to the point where you see the first virus explode in the guy's head. Oh, yeah. I'm like, oh, now they're so much harder to beat now that maybe I'll fall off.

But I want to get the... There's a rocket launcher that has infinity ammo, and I do kind of want to get that. That'd just be so fun. Yeah. Because we were talking last week about it with zig and we were just saying how much of like a like how much of a video game it is like how like it's just like such a capital v video game and like infinite rocket launcher that's that's the most fun you could have that's so stupid but it's good that's great is it can you do new can you do a new game plus again if you like i think so.

From what I've read, yeah, you can keep doing it. You can keep accumulating resources. And that's actually one thing you kind of have to do to try to get a lot of the achievements, apparently. Man, you could do that in life. You know what I'm saying? Oh, man. You die, you start over again. The new life plus?

New life plus? That's the dream. I'd hit game over. No thanks. One was too many I think that like in my new game in my new life plus when I was like I like I would

walk up to UCB I turn around wouldn't fucking meet Weiger I'd love to just see like the because you get you get a ranking at the end I just like get like a C on my life.

Yeah. I would, I'd just be like, Hmm. Okay. Well, my stats were bad. Yeah.

And new game plus, if I'd never met you, like if I chose not to meet you, which would be great, but I still didn't like have like our, like a. I heart radio podcast of the year award. Like I, will we still be able to, would I still be able to keep my trophy? Wait, like, are you saying, have our iHeartRadio Podcast of the Year award? Would I

still be able to keep my trophy? Are you saying, would you have done a different podcast with someone else and that also would have... Do items carry over? Do items carry over? Yeah. You still get to have your Celtics hat with the folded brim.

I wake up in New Life Plus and just have a ton of cum racks. Oh, awesome. I don't got to find any now. Well, Mitch, so that's what you've been playing. You've been playing. I've had fun doing the replay. I do have the new Star Wars Jedi.

What is it? Fallen Order, I believe. Fallen Order. Jedi. It's Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Survivor. Fallen Order I believe. Fallen Order? Jedi it's Star Wars Jedi Survivor. Survivor. Fallen Order was the first one.

Yes. So Survivor I have I have queued up and ready to download this week. And I loved I loved the first one.

It took me a while to get in there because the map I've talked about how I don't like the map in that game. The map is bad. I remember that.

But as soon as I got past a part that I was stuck at and I just powered through, I was like, this is like, it's such a good game. I'm so excited for this new one. And everything that I'm seeing raves across the board. Yeah, it looks good. Yeah, I heard some really interesting buzz about Jedi Survivor is that there's a point like in mid-game where your Jedi gets floated off the island. is that there's a point like in mid-game where your Jedi gets floated off the island. Yeah, you know what's crazy? This is the experience of being Heather.

At the end of the game, you beat Darth Vader and they say that Rupert won. Remember Rupert? I loved Rupert. I do remember Rupert. I love Rupert. Was Rupert? I loved Rupert. I do remember Rupert. I love Rupert. Was Rupert... So...

Oh, okay. So Rupert was the old guy, right? He was a little older. He wasn't super old. Or is it rich? So wait, there's... I think he's younger than all of us. Yeah, Rupert was a little bit grizzled, I believe.

Oh, okay. He wasn't like super old. Yeah. Richard was the season one winner who liked to walk around naked. And then also went to jail. Yeah. And he went to prison. I'm now Googling Rupert. Yeah.

I'll text you guys about Rupert. Oh, yeah. Rupert was good. Are you thinking of Rupert Murdoch? Or are you thinking of Stewie's teddy bear? I think I'm thinking of Stewie's teddy bear. Rupert Murdoch on Survivor. He would turn to dust pretty quickly, I feel like.

Did you know there's a Weiger? Matt told me this. There's a Weiger on the new season of Survivor. I saw that. Carolyn Weiger. Yeah, and she's a star. That's how I knew they weren't related, that she has so much personality. And he makes these really great faces and is funny.

It's very funny because we'll get an email that's like, hey, Matt Damon is interested in doing the Doughboys. And I'm like, oh my God, that's great. And Mike's like, all right, we'll put like an email that's like, hey, like Matt Damon is interested in doing the Doughboys. And I'm like, oh, my God, that's great. And he's like, all right, we'll put them on the list. And then the other day he was like, he texted the Doughboys text chain and went, and it was like, what's her name again? Caroline Weiger. Caroline Weiger. Caroline Weiger.

He's like, we got to get her on the show. I'd love to talk with her. I've never met another Weiger who's not family. She's a star. She'd be so great on the show. She'd be great on the show. She's so funny on Survivor. I'm a big Survivor guy.

She's got the heart of a champion. She's so great. And as of now, this recording, the episode that just aired, she got to say some of her family stuff that she has going on. I was like, my heart, I love her. I love her. She can survive however many days on a desert island, but then she can't last like a minute talking to Nick.

That's funny to talk about. My last name's like your last name. How about that? That's the real survivor challenge. Are you also Estonian? We've got so much to talk about. You know, my New Year's resolution is to cut back on sugar and add more protein to my diet and stay on track with my fitness goals.

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Okay, so, last week on the show, I had said that I had felt a little out of sorts with games right now, because I hadn't finished anything in a while. That's right. I fucking started cleaning up house. Wow. I hadn't finished the previous month's We Play, You Play Metroid Prime remastered. I only had the final bosses to go. Just took a nice little

afternoon. Destroyed them. Wow. Destroyed them. Meta Ripley, done and dusted. Metroid Prime, toast. By by the way the end game of that game is i think pretty strong the bosses go on a little bit maybe you know a little bit too long but that's true of a lot of you but but like the the final boss being named metroid prime is so rad it rocks it's so fun so cool uh that's an i never played it before, so my first experience with it was with the Switch and just a home run all-time game. So, so good.

But then, I think because of the Mario movie, I've been wanting to play Mario. I was like, oh, that was my big thing about the movie was sort of like I want to go and play Mario instead. I'd rather be doing that. Get the games out when the property comes out on the big screen. That's what Sony's been doing. So I had a couple of Mario games on my Switch that I hadn't really played. Like the one that was for the Wii U, New Super Mario Bros. Deluxe or whatever, the Switch port for that. So I was playing that a little bit.

But then I remembered my favorite, Super Mario 3D World World has Bowser's Fury attached to it. You know what? I said that I play all the Mario games. I haven't played Bowser's Fury, and I hear it's good. It is so good. Fuck. I beat it in a weekend. I was like, I could not put it down.

It is so fun. And I was hoping, I'll probably say this again to Heather, but I wanted to save this and say it to you. I think it's the game that Sonic frontiers wishes it was wow because it's like a big sort of like it's not huge it's like very short you can do it in nine hours or whatever but like it's an open world mario game every uh like area and level is just on the map on the uh on the uh just the area where you can walk around and stuff and it's it does feel pretty big because you're just Mario running around, and each one has a couple in each different sections,

and then every six minutes or something, Bowser comes around, and he's fucking huge, and you've got to either get big or avoid his attacks while he's attacking. And it is so good. It is so good. I cannot recommend it enough. It's just such a good extension of the experience you have in 3D World, which is you catch me on a good day.

It might be in my top five games. Just period. Like not Mario. Like I love it. You also love 3D World. Yeah. 100% of 3D World. Yes.

I'll tell you this much. That ending. Did you 100% it? I did not, but go ahead. That ending ending that last the this is now becoming a thing in Mario and I don't love it because I think Mario

should be accessible and not but they put it in for like people who are Mario fans and the like the the last ending it's the rainbow road thing which they did in in Super Mario World I guess they did an Odyssey as well there's just like an extended like hey here's this super long gauntlet of a stage that you have to complete

oh wow get it all the way the 3d world one i remember being like extremely hard the odyssey one is also very hard did you play the one in odyssey i don't think so i'm not a big 100 guy i'm sort of like i got to like, like, even in Bowser's Fury, you have to get 50 shines or 50 cat shines or whatever to roll credits. And I did that. And then it's like, hey, guess what? There are 50 more shines for you to get. I was like, I already did this.

Like, there's more. I want to go back in and do it, though, because it was so fun. And it was a short enough experience where I'm like, well, I could spend a little more time in Bowser's Fury. But if you have 3D World, start with it it's so good it's it's really really great nintendo games never feel like i mean zelda is gonna feel that way and i remember my first experience when i got the legend of zelda oh i'm sorry i never say correctly wags either ocarina ocarina ocarina fuck see i got it wrong again ocarina close enough of time i i pre-ordered that i got a t-shirt which i wore to gym and people made fun of me

in high school uh but i remember uh i mean my friends made fun of me yeah and i did it for i did it to be funny but um but i wore it like in gym class but But then that was the first game that I remember playing until the sun came up. I was like, I'm playing this game, and it's like, the sun is rising. Right. And it was a great experience. I loved it.

And that was actually my first real Zelda love was Ocarina of Time. Wow. Well, we'll get to that in one second. I'm going to talk about what I've been playing. Okay, well, can I just ask you real quick? Yeah, please. Nick, what have you been playing?

So I mentioned last week I was going to play some Coffee Talk Episode 2, Hibiscus and Butterfly. Oh, yeah. I had some issues with the PC version, which is that it seems to only run in full screen, and I've got this widescreen monitor. Oh, yeah. and I've got this widescreen monitor. Oh, yeah. The only way I could get it running in a way where I could actually play it was to just like be running the X cloud version of the Xbox port of the game. And so it was just kind of clunky and just one of those weird, like frustrating quirks

of that you run into with PC gaming sometime. So I spent more time on a couple of other games. One is Elden Ring. I'm back on that. Oh, baby. You know, I finished Sekiro recently and I was like,

you know what? I bet I can knock out the end of Elden Ring before Tears of the Kingdom comes out. So that really, I'm planning on doing that. I think I can do it.

It depends on how far the Lakers, my beloved NBA franchise, advances in the playoffs. If they get knocked out, I'll certainly have more time. I'd say don't worry about it.

I'd say just start playing. They could have advanced by the time this episode comes out, or they could also could have been eliminated. You know what? Honestly, we're going to win. Same with the Celtics, right?

Oh, God. If the Celtics get knocked off by the Hawks. That's wild to think about. By the time this episode comes out, we will know the fate of both of our respective NBA franchises

if they're moving on to the next round. You know what would be a good game? In like four days, yeah. You know what would be a good game? In like four days, yeah. You know what would be a good game to play? What's that? Just based on today? The Willie Nelson birthday simulator. Because just getting here to the studio was

chaos. Willie Nelson's birthday is today, canonically today as of this record. Yeah. And he is apparently either here or people are just here on his behalf. Everyone's holding up peace signs. Hey, dude. I'm Willie Nelson. And it was chaos over here.

It was chaos. A lot of people here. A lot of people here. You would expect chill vibes, but it's quite the opposite. It's such a hubbub, such a to-do. Well, Willie Nelson really, in real life, as you know, he's like an evil crank. Yeah, he's the Rupert Murdoch of country music. So Eldering, it's great.

It took me a little bit to remember how to play my build and remember how different it is from Sekiro, but yeah, I'm excited to spend some more time with it. I've also been playing on the Switch, Advance Wars 1 and 2 Reboot Camp. This is the remaster that was developed by WayForward, which is an American developer of the advance the first two advanced wars games for game boy advance which i played back in the day uh they're these uh turn-based strategy games that are that are so so fun uh and

they're they've got such a charming cute aesthetic uh this one sat on the shelf for like a year because the ukraine war happened and nintendo for some reason overthought it it almost like just shelved it permanently because they were like, oh, we can't have a war game coming out. Well, an actual war is coming out, is happening, but they eventually released it. You know, the big change from the original is the art style has gone from this really appealing pixel art to – I can't tell if the character models for the portraits are 3D models that are cel-shaded or if it's just 2D line art that's animated. Either way, I think those look pretty good. The units have all been turned into these 3D models. It's all 3D now, and it still has the same sort of like, you know, really vibrant orange and blue color palette.

It's really cartoony, but it doesn't quite have the same charm that the original did. So it's a little bit of an adjustment, but still the gameplay is so tight. It's just, I don't know. I love these games, but I also love turn-based games. I love like ones where you can overthink absolutely like every single move you can make. And this is definitely one where there's just so many ways to each map is kind of like a puzzle but there's so many ways to approach it that it's it's just super engaging um so yeah that's that's what i get that's what i've been playing i'm gonna have to check that out there's just so much there's just so much

coming out the rest of the year is fucked it's all packed that's the thing at a certain point you just have to decide what i'm gonna commit to and what i'm not what i'm just gonna have to ignore yeah what are your what are your must plays the rest of the year well jedi survivor for sure i That's a fact. That's the thing. At a certain point, you just have to decide what I'm going to commit to and what I'm just going to have to ignore. What are your must plays the rest of the year? Well, Jedi Survivor for sure. I mean, Breath of the Wild is going to take the rest of it. I can't even really. Oh, Diablo 4 comes out in June.

That's as far as I can think right now. Those are like three huge releases. It's like Tears of the Kingdom, Diablo 4, and Final Fantasy 16, I think, in the coming months. Oh, shit, yeah. Basically. Final Fantasy 16. I think also there's a chance Final Fantasy 16 just kind of goes by the wayside because I've got

I wanted to play the other Persona games Persona 4 and Persona Persona 3. I wanted to play those and I also wanted to at a certain point go back and play Bloodborne. Street Fighter 4 or Street Fighter 6? Actually Street Fighter 6 is a big one because I think I'm going to get into a fighting game

this year so I might play that one too much fucking too much shit too much content too much stuff Hogwarts Legacy for Switch comes out in July

gotta have that gotta rebuy it on a different platform finally the Switch version I do think that like I'm trying I'm trying to like be a better person yeah and you know get my life in order a little bit.

So you're going to start a charity in July instead, right? I mean, there's a lot of stuff that I should be doing. Yeah. And Tears of the Kingdom is going to fuck me. I know that I'm going to spend so much free time on it. The rest of the month is just a wash when that comes out i'm just like that's gonna that like whatever it's fine it's gonna absorb a bunch of my time the thing that the thing that's nice about it because it's

on the switch i'm gonna be like you know what i'm going just going to leave and go play this on the switch somewhere else just to feel like you're doing something so where to well you know they're gonna ask you to leave we'll hide away hide away. Wherever you go, they're going to be like, get out of here. Go stay with my second family. Let's talk about a pod to the cast. We're going to talk about Zelda a little bit. And we thought we'd kick it off with what we're calling Tiers of the Kingdom T-I-E-R-S That's right, we're going to make a tier list

of the console Zelda games I wanted to start here, and Mitch you started to get into this earlier, but I think we should just go through our personal histories with the Zelda games It sounds like Ocarina of Time, was that your induction into the Zelda franchise? I mean, I played

the original Zelda. On NES? Yeah, does that have a subtitle? Just called The Legend of Zelda. Legend of Zelda. Yeah. I played that on NES, and then I did play A Link to the Past,

but I didn't own A Link to the Past, which I know is one of the, you know, it's one of the greatest games of all time to a lot of folks. Totemic entry in the Zelda franchise. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And I, but it was mostly 64 onwards

where I got really into them. But I played all the other ones. Yeah. It's not like I didn't play them. I said this to you before we recorded, but I wish that we had AI Trump and AI Biden and AI Obama here with us. I thought about bringing in the AI presidents to help us with this list.

But I figured we could do it. It won't be quite the same. It won't be the same. Oracle of the Ages is mid. That's great. Fuck you, Sleepy Joe. Link to the passion BS tier. Okay, guys.

I'm just going to go ahead and put it in beer tier so we can move on. Malia, go to bed. Man, the air presidents. They're so funny. They're really good. They're really good. I was never worried about AI taking taking over until that where i was like that's funny can i just can i say something about the ai presidents i think they have more

intelligence than the real ones wow i disagree on all three accounts so so you played all of them the 64 is is really where you got into the the franchise uh matt how about you okay so um my first zelda was a ds zelda uh yeah i not i was not a nintendo kid so i just didn't have a lot of experience with zelda but i was always interested you know so i was like okay well this is my chance now now i have a d DS. I'm going to do this. This is finally my time. And I've played some of the other main entries, but not as many as I'd like because I didn't have the consoles. And Nintendo refuses to put them all out on the Switch,

which if they had them all out, I'd be playing them all. There are some available, though. And I did my experience with Ocarina of Time is I played it on the 3DS for the first time. Okay. Yeah. I didn't finish it, but I did play a good chunk of it. I wonder how it holds up.

I haven't attempted to replay it in a while. It's on Nintendo Switch Online, and playing it is a bit of a clunky experience, in my opinion. So Nick knows this i wanted a mario 64 remaster more than anything in the world and i don't know why they haven't done that yet still i still wish that they were in like the odyssey engine like yes okay come on that would be a home run and the same thing i mean i know that that's a lot of work for developers we've talked about this negates basically can sometimes be like a like ground up uh yeah there have been instances where the source code just doesn't exist like it's just like they they either can't find it or you know back in the day they just like like hard drive

space was at such a premium that they just like once the game was shipped they just deleted all the original source files so they'd have to rebuild it from scratch i believe that's part of what the part of what led to the Final Fantasy VII remaster which is such an extensive ground-up overhaul. Well, I wish that they did. And they did this... What was the Zelda game

that just came out and I loved it too? The Link's Awakening remake? Link's Awakening remake. I loved that too. They redid Link's Awakening which is... I loved it.

Can you imagine if they did that for A Link to the Past? People would go fucking crazy. I'd love to see that. In the same style even. I loved the style. The art direction was so good. And it seems like that's not as intense. I mean, it's, I'm sure, a ton of work.

They could do it in like 10 minutes. Yeah, they could do it quick. Fucking, they could do it easy. Come on! Just fucking do it. Make A Link to the Past. I've replayed A Link to the Past and I made it like halfway through and I put it easy. Come on. Just fucking do it. Make a link to that. Because I've replayed A Link to the Past, and I made it, like, halfway through, and I put it down. And I think it's just that thing of, like, anytime I'm playing an old game, I, like, never, whatever, it always drops off for me. But they should remake it. They should remake Ocarina of Time, I think.

Give it the Breath of the Wild engine, Wags. Let's see it. I'd love to see that. I think give it the Breath of the Wild engine, Weggs. I'd love to see it. I'd love to see that. You know, I'll just talk about my own personal history with the Zelda franchise, which goes back to the original on NES. And I was like, I had that game when it came out, and I was so young, I didn't really understand how to play it for like a while.

Like I remember. It explains how to play. Because it's non-linear you know and like i'm like a little i'm like a a little boy little fucker and so i'm a little fucker little fucker and so i got nipples fucker can you look at me like like i'm just what i don't i was like how do i finish a level like i didn't understand that the idea of just walking around and exploring and then you know i got to the i got to a a i have a vivid memory of getting to a a fairy and then she just surrounds you with hearts and i'm like did i win like i didn't understand how the game was supposed to i was joking i called you a dumbass but now i maybe do stand by that did i win well come on but then i but by the way we all play the little

fuckers game right we all we all yeah you have to go around collecting all the little fuckers are running loose and you have to sort of collect them back and you can pick between being uh robert denier's character or greg or um it was a wee game so like there was a lot of like you know pointing yeah and motion controls you know that sort of shit the final how do you guys do on the final boss fight against jinx well jinx is tough jinx is tough yeah because you gotta you gotta milk jinx. Yeah. And you got to replace,

it's not even really Jinx, it's the replacement Jinx. You got to milk the fake Jinx and then it's like, you've got to use the motion controls and they're really like, you know, it's really sensitive. Yeah, it's one of the things

where you hold the motion control like you hold it like an udder. Like an udder, yeah. And then you're like milking the Wii remote, basically. Yeah. I did like the section of that game, game though where you have to say bomb on the airplane oh that's good that's fun that's a good part that is a lot of fun yeah yeah what else do i remember about this i think they maybe use the pilot wings engine for that for the that airplane scene for

just a second i think so yeah it's a little just a little homage um honestly not enough video games where you can be ben stiller have you ever been is there ever been a controllable ben stiller in a video game i wonder if there's like is there in any of the reality bites video game okay yeah oh yeah that was a big one we also there was a birthday boys video game in development and and and so he did an episode of the birthday boys so it would have been playable at one point yeah but the main you know you know you'd be surprised you know who you were as like the main player in that game koalik oh matt koalik wow koalik in the game that's great and he can like sort of like slide between corners and like under tables yeah like a lot of a lot of rat yeah tendencies his to refill his health, it's just a big block of cheese.

Already, our listeners to Doughboys are like unclear when we make that reference. And now it's even more confusing. On a different podcast. Yeah. People are just like, what the fuck are you talking about? I mean, just because of the birthday. They're jacking off hearing it. Saying birthday boys, people won't even know what the fuck we're talking about.

Here's what I'll say. The best sketch show of the 2010s. Oh, come on. You sound like an AI president. It's the best sketch show. You should have seen what they've done with these sketches. Unbelievable stuff. No, I honestly rewatched it. No ladies, only white guys.

I rewatched it last year when I had COVID. I watched all of it. I was like, this is so fucking good. I wish there was a million pictures of it. I loved it. I pray that I get to be I pray that there's a playable if they do a twist of metal video game yeah I pray

that there's a that there's a stew I pray that you get to be stew I pray that I get to be stew in some way that would be cool to scan your full body you're gonna need a bigger scanner why put a couple extra ping pong balls down there I pray that I get to be Stu in some way. That would be cool. To scan your full body? You're going to need a bigger scanner, Wags. Put a couple extra ping pong balls down there. I got scanned for Tomorrow War. That's rad.

I did do the whole body scan. Yeah, it was cool. Whoa. Yeah. They asked for a junior ping pong ball for your crotch. Can we get a BB? They're like, actually, we don't need it. We can guess.

Yeah. We got your pinky, so. Yeah, they used a white BB. They used a dipping dot. We'll just use that. You already have that on you. Have you had dipping dots recently, though? I haven't I haven't you know we did it for this we did we did it for the show they're good they're good and we kind of didn't I think we did have fun

no they're fun ice cream's already good Dippin' Dots is funny because they're more widely available than you would ever think they're like a lot of 7-elevens or something they're like they're in you can find them more than you think you can, but they're not noticeable. No, they're just like, they're kind of just there. If you know, you know, as they say. At my 7-Eleven, there is just like a separate Dippin' Dots like branded freezer just for Dippin' Dots. I was like, I can't believe there's this much demand for these. And it's not like a big 7-Eleven.

It's like a small footprint store. And you're like, they're like, sometimes the thing that's surprising there though is that you'll look in there and you're like, they're almost gone. Yeah, I know. People still, people are like,

oh, fuck off. Some Dippin' Dots, why the fuck not? Do you have a good relationship with the guy at your 7-Eleven or lady?

Yeah. Yeah, we're cordial. I actually go to like a local and independent liquor store more. And so I see that

guy all the time. That guy's great. Okay. Yeah. Good for you. Yeah. Must be nice. Yeah, it's good that I see the guy at see that guy all the time. That guy's great. Okay. Good for you. Must be nice. Yeah, it's good that I see the guy at the liquor store all the time.

I mean, that's what I was going to make fun of him for. I decide not to. It's not my show. So, I've been playing since the original and I really do love this franchise. I think that I would say that it is still my second favorite Nintendo franchise after Mario.

I still like Mario more, but I love the Zelda games. I like Mario more, too. And I think that just, like, I think they've done a great job of evolving it over time. And that's part of the genius of Nintendo is that they're able to keep these franchises relevant by continually reinventing them and adapting to new technologies. I'm curious because we're just going to talk about home console Zeldas because we only have so much time. We can't go through like 25 games. But are there any of the handheld Zeldas that stand out to anyone?

I'll call out two in particular that I really loved. The Minish Cap for Game Boy Advance. That's one I always hear good things about. Great. Lots of great teeny tiny shit. A lot of fun. advance that's what i always hear good things about great lots of great teeny tiny shit a lot of fun uh and then also um a link between worlds which is basically a sequel to a link to the past yeah and it's so well done and it's got this one thing that that uh it's got this mechanic where

you can like rent items yeah which is so like it's such an interesting just you know a little bit of of a little bit of flair on the existing Zelda formula that makes, like, you basically get access to everything you need up top, but the penalty is that you lose it if you die. And you can become flat. Yeah, that's cool, too. That's, like, really fun. That's, like, a fun way to get around. Like, oh, I need to solve this puzzle. What do I do? Oh,

I gotta become flat here. That's good. That's good stuff. I like that. I will say, also, the game that brought me into Zelda for the DS, the Phantom Hourglass. Phantom Hourglass is really fun. It's in that similar style. I don't think it's 100% like Wind Waker, but it's that Toon Link style. And it's great.

I really love the Phantom Hourglass. I haven't played it in, God, what, 20 years now? It's old. Yeah, yeah. Practically practically 18 years but right yeah alright well let's get Mitch you got any handheld Zeldas you like

uh hmm handheld Zeldas no alright I'd like to hold hands with Zelda I mean oh my god I would love that she's fucking royalty. Fucking cream my jeans. What am I, Mike Mitchell at an audition?

I cream my pants every time I go into an audition. He books. He books. It works all the time. Let's talk about these games. Okay. So first off, we're going to start with The Legend of Zelda 1986 for NES. Here's my case for A-rank.

I think this game is established. You got this game for your high school graduation gift? It was on his wedding registry. I think this was actually my older brother, Nate, got this one. And I think that part of how my alpha older brother and part of how I learned how to play it was like oh he knows how to play the game so I can I was gonna say he probably had no issue figuring out how the game works well yeah I mean there's like a

there's like a five year age gap so like you know he had to figure it out I think the I think Legend of Zelda the original the OG it's still pretty playable it is it establishes basically everything that is important about the Zelda formula. And I also feel like one thing I love about Breath of the Wild is that it evokes what it was like to play The Legend of Zelda back in 1980, whatever the late 1980s it was.

Where you couldn't turn your console off? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Well, no, it had a save. It had a built-in save. It had a battery. Wait, did it really? Yeah, this was one of the first no it had a save it had a built-in save it had a a battery uh so wait did it really yeah this was one of the first games that had a save feature first console games that had a save feature wow yeah no that was absolutely huge you didn't have to leave it on

overnight and so i do not remember that because i always would just play zelda from the beginning anytime i played it right so so Now who's the fucking dumb little kid? Look, I was making fun of you, but it was an inherently confusing game. It's confusing if you're like seven years old, you're like, what the fuck is happening here? It's got a lot going on. But if you compare that to something like a game like Adventure, which we covered when we were talking about

the Atari 50th Anniversary Collection, that game, you're a dot with a little line that represents a sword. It's so crude, and you can only really play it for historical appreciations purposes. But this game, you can actually still play and enjoy. And so I think Legend of Zelda 1 should be A-rank. That's my take. I don't disagree with it because, like, you need – it's such a strong enough foundation that everything else that comes after it stands on its back. Like, it needs to – like, for this one to – the other ones to even exist, this one has to work.

So I think A is a good spot for it. I mean, I want to even put it in B tier because I, but I think historically, I just think you're right. I think that just like, even just on replayability, it's like, I don't want to play the original Zelda. Do you?

I'd rather, no, I was going to spend my time playing like I'd only, that's only just for like, kind of, I'm semi contradicting myself. It's, it's,

it's more because, because of its legacy that you'd want to replay. Like I was going to replay a 2D Zelda, I'd rather replay a Link to the Past. A Link to the Past. But then also that jump to a Link to the Past is so crazy. It's so stark. I'd be okay with it in B tier as well. I just like, you know, let's stick in a B tier.

That's fine. And if we want to rejigger things later. Will we get in trouble for that? For changing him? No, no, for being B tier. I don't know. It's good. It's really great. I mean, it was like Mario and Zelda were the big standouts, right?

On Nintendo and Metroid, I guess, right? It depends on how much room you want to leave to grow. So if you're doing a Mario tier ranking, there's an argument you could put Super Mario Brothers the original in S tier, but I'd also say that probably Super Mario Brothers, which probably holds up better than The Legend of Zelda 1, is an A tier, so you have room for Super Mario 3 and Super Mario World and Super Mario Odyssey above it.

Could you not save any of the Nintendo Mario games? 1, 2, or 3? No, they had no save feature. That's bad. Yeah, because 3 was meaty. I think, you know what? they had no save feature. That's bad. Yeah. That's bad. Yeah, because three was meaty. You know what? It has a save feature. Maybe it should be A tier.

I don't know. Nudge it up to A tier. All right, A tier. All right, moving on to Zelda II, The Adventure of Link. This comes out in 1988. I remember my dad buying this game for us for Christmas, and he talked about how it caught, like, you know, my dad's very thrifty, but also a very generous guy who did love giving gifts. And the apple fell farther from the tree or a little closer to it.

Yikes. I'm excited to bring up apples. Dick fucked an apple. Dick fucked an ambulance. Fucking feel like fucking Milton Berle at the Dean Martin celebrity roast.

Scatting and bebopping all over me. Sitting on the day is trying to mind my own fucking business. I know we have a time constraint. Does your dad

listen to Get Played? I don't think so. He doesn't listen to shit. You got bad taste. He listens to dope boysed? I don't think so. He doesn't listen to shit. You got bad taste. He listens to dope boys. You think he'd love this. I think the video,

I think the, even though my dad plays some video games, I think a lot of the video game talk is over his head. So, okay. So the, anyway, Solitude Adventure, like my dad bought it for $70 in like,

for like Christmas 1988, which I just checked the inflation calendar calculator. Thanks, Biden. It's $178 today. That's insane. So imagine spending that much out of your paycheck for like a kid's video game. Anyway, so I was very hyped for this game. Completely changes the Zelda formula. There's a world map that you walk around and then the combat encounters

are 2D, like side scrollers. Interesting. So it's very, it plays very strange. It's kind of a cool game in the set, like looking back on it

in the same way that Super Mario Bros. 2 is like a cool kind of departure from the formula. I was going to say, Mario 2, they did a weird thing with, I mean,

I know that Mario 2 is a reskin basically, right? But it does, I feel like it doesn't really work, you know, it certainly doesn't work

as well as a lot of the stronger entries in the series. I think, to me, that's a C tier. I was going to say, I was going to say for B tier,

but I feel like it settles in C. I think C is a good spot for it. It still gets some cool stuff. Is D too rough? I feel like D, I think D is too harsh.

Are there any Zelda games that will be D or F? I don't, I don't know. It's possible. I think that's unlikely. The thing, these are all any Zelda games that will be D or F? I don't know. It's possible. I think that's unlikely. The thing, these are all high quality games. And also there are things that are established in this game, like the, you know, the up thrust and the down thrust, you know, things that became kind of like convention.

So it still kind of has its own, its own legacy. I don't know. I think it's a cool game. Yeah. You jump up. I'll tell you about it later. I was going to say it sounds horny. That brings us to the-

By the way, how would you rank Zelda? Do you think her hotness scale? Are we doing a waifu tier list? Yeah. For one and two. I'd give her a 10 in one. I think that she's a perfect 10 all the way through the series. Okay.

Yeah, I think so. Of course you'd say that, Biden. She's exactly your type. Mind you, if you're a daughter, you freak. You can't smell her hair, pervert. Fuck you, Donald. Her beauty is undeniable. Okay, everyone just settle down now.

We'll put Zelda in the S tier for waifus. She's got some nice pixels back in the day, let me tell you. Yeah, Zelda's nothing to shake a stick at. All right, next up, a link to the past, the Super Nintendo entry. I mean, we've got to go S tier. This feels like the first S. It's the one that everybody like talks about like from like that generation i have played a lot of all-timer i have played a

lot of this yeah to be clear and i'm mad at myself for never finishing it i started it this week just to like see how much of it i could get through and i was already like oh this is a fucking blast it's so it's very play it holds up. It's very playable even for some Super Nintendo games I've told you this over time I thought Super Nintendo was one where I was like oh it's replayable and I do think to an extent, I wonder how you'll feel about this, that some

a lot, maybe more Super Nintendo games are replayable than Nintendo 64 games. I think that's absolutely true because the Nintendo 64, they were figuring out the conventions of 3D gaming. And by the Super Nintendo generation, the Genesis, TurboGrafx-16, you know, that whole era, they had like kind of like perfected 2D gaming. Yeah. And a lot of, you know, there are games like a game like Actraiser that you remember playing better than it actually does if you revisit it.

It's like, oh, this is a little clunky. There have been some innovations, but by and large, they'd figured out how to play, to design a 2d game uh by that era so i think i think you're absolutely correct um i i loved it i want to i want to play i want to beat a link to the past at some point but but it seems like this is i mean from what i've played of it i loved and also everyone loves it and it is this is this is where zelda really gets chugging i feel like oh yeah yeah i feel like because then they start having i feel like they just from here from this point just like from looking at the history as like a timeline in front of me this is when they start to have like really a lot of fun with what like these games are and like like you know if this is true

what else is true to borrow an improv uh parlance and also, it just, when you do, I wonder how you feel, but when you're playing it, it doesn't feel dated, right? No, it feels like, I mean, because a lot of games that are coming out right now that are pixel art games

are good and they play exactly like this. And so it doesn't feel its age at all. It just has that timeless quality. Just like Zelda herself. She's an easy S tier waifu for me. Next up, Ocarina of Time comes out in 1998.

By the way, it's kind of wild, like the timeline of this, where it's just, you know, 1992, Link to the Past, 1998, Ocarina of Time, just six years separates them. They're completely different generations, obviously. I mean, another, I mean, another masterpiece. I think this is another easy S tier. I think it's S tier as well. I'm going to say, is there a – should we add like a Z tier and just sort of like at the end say there's one defining Zelda game? There's one like Zelda game to kind of like rule them all?

I wonder if that's worth doing. I don't know. I like that idea. I think Z tier is good. I don't know how to do it, but I'll figure it out. Okay, great. Maybe F tier could just be Z tier. Sure.

I mean, why not? There's F. Look, can you change F to a Z? Look at that. We're using the tier maker here. Yeah, you might be able to do that and then just move that bad boy up there we go that this is huge wow this is i can't believe we did that and we just didn't say anything while

we were doing i would say it's possible that one of the well we'll have to wait to the end right yeah it's possible that one of these games may be nudged up to z tier one of these ones that is already in s tier we're gonna see uh all to see. Maybe Breath of the Wild has moved up to Z tier. Moving on to Majora's Mask. Now, I love this game. I think it's better than Ocarina of Time. I know that's not the popular game, but I think it's so fucking good. It's really good. I love it.

It's fantastic. The masks are so good. The time loop is such a cool mechanic. I think it's another S tier game. I think it's also another S tier game. I mean, it makes sense that they were chugging along. Do you agree with that, Matt? I have not played Majora's Mask. This is where I start to have my blind spot, but it looks cool. I've always wanted to play it.

I'm happy to go S tier just based on how emphatically you both immediately were like, I'm going on vibes for some of these. Here's the great thing about it. It's the weirdness of Zelda games, which Zelda games have a lot of great weirdness in them. Like with the townspeople and you're talking to people. Skull Kid is fucking weird. Skull Kid is weird. There's a lot of weird shit.

I mean, there's the balloon man. What's his name? Who's that? Tingle. Tingle. Tingle's a fucking weirdo freak. Yeah. Tingle's like the Wyger of the Zelda world.

I'm the Skull Kid with my fucking giant head. But Majora's Mask, it really highlights the weirdness of Zelda. It's just a weird, great Zelda game. I should have got the 3DS version of it when I could have, and now it's just impossible to get because the eShop's gone. $400 on eBay or something. Yeah, okay, I'll just do that. Yeah. You know, like, you know, like,

this is so dated, even my reference, but, like, goth kids like Nightmare Before Christmas, too. Yes. You know, like, that thing of, like, I love Nightmare Before Christmas. I got Nightmare Before Christmas tattoos. Yeah. Majora's Mask is kind of like the Nightmare Before Christmas.

It's the Tim Burton Zelda. Sure. It's like I could see people having that as a tattoo. It's like it's like, oh, these like interesting, cool people like this. Yeah. Right. Like you're walking around Nintendo World and like there's like, you know, like, oh, there's people wearing like someone wearing a Wario hat. That's funny. Like, oh, there's someone dressed up in Link cosplay. That's like, ooh, there's someone dressed up as Skull Kid. They're like a little edgy. Yeah. They look good. It's like a pack of teenagers. They're like kind of cool. Okay. Well, now I retract my they look good.

I'm no longer commenting on that. But that's the vibe from yours. Yeah. Like you're on Disneyland and it's just like, oh, the people are in Nightmare Before Christmas. It's like a different sort of edgier sort of energy that's still safe and family-friendly. Yeah. I totally agree. All right, that moves on to another one.

And look, this is going to be, this may come across as absurd. I think Wind Waker, which comes out for the GameCube, another S tier? Is that crazy? I think based on what I've heard you and Heather say about it, Heather is so like... If you don't know this, Mitch, Heather... The conversation at the time when the trailer was out, people were like, this fucking sucks. I hate this.

Heather was like, I'm all in on this immediately. And I think gets to be... Wait, she had never played? No, if we're talking about... We're going back in time. We're going back to 2001 when this game was announced, and there's a backlash, which I remember. People were pissed off about its art style.

But in motion and playing the thing, it fucking holds up so well. Here's what I got to say. Yeah. Fuck you, sleepy wags. The travel mechanic is fucking archaic. There are strikes against it. I think that it is so gorgeous and unique, but yes, it drags in the late game.

Getting around with the boats is kind of a pain in the ass. Getting around with the boats is a pain in the ass. And remember, at this point now, I am a 100% completer guy. Oh, sure. And this is a game that I don't even know if I finished. And it happened to me twice. When it came out again on... Did it come out on Wii?

What was the remaster? Yeah, they did, I think it's on Wii U, right? Yes, Wii U. That was HD remaster? I got the HD remaster. It's fucking gorgeous. It is gorgeous. But again, the same thing fucking happened to me again where I didn't finish the game because it gets so fucking annoying towards the end of it.

It's like all the Triforce pieces you're retrieving. It does get very tedious. And you fall off. Look, Wags, I gotta say A tier for this one. I'm not gonna fight you on this. Let's put that in A tier. They can't all be S's. And it's not a game that it's a game with its charms, but it is also

a game with its flaws. That's what we're on. Heather's gonna be pissed. Fuck, I fucked up. Oh well. Let's keep going. Hey, speaking of people being pissed, Twilight Princess comes out in 2006 for GameCube and Wii. I think that the generational split hurts this game. I think,

I think this is a B tier. I don't think this stands with the other Zeldas. Wise. I think you might be right. I think this might be a B-tier game. Wow. I'm happy to put it in B. I remember watching gameplay of this and being interested in it enough, but didn't have a GameCube, so I just had no way of playing it at all.

And it's just not available. You can't play it on anything. Yeah, this one is worthy of some sort of remaster because I think that it could be fun to play it again. Look, I don't think it's a bad game. Yeah. None of these are bad games. That's what's amazing about this franchise. This sucks because I, look, the idea of turning into a wolf is fun.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. How's that? That's a blast already. Resident Evil did it. Resident Evil Village. It's fucking great. Actually, I didn't know that about Resident Evil Village.

You don't turn into a wolf, but you fight wolves. There's just wolves in it. All right. Well, that's totally different. Look. It's like Balto. It's so cool and gray when Liam Neeson turns into a wolf. The idea of it is great.

Yeah. Yes. The idea is great. This game Yes. The idea is great. This game lost my interest for whatever reason. Maybe a little too self-serious. You know, like it seems like it's pretty like dour for a Zelda game. Like it doesn't seem like it has the same sort of like charm as the other ones even. Another issue, was this towards the end of the GameCube's life?

So this was, yes. This comes out as a Wii launch title and a game cube like like late in life cycle game yeah and the they kind of tossed in we motion controls that were kind of half-assed and they weren't great um bad it that kind of excuses experience a little bit and yeah i i feel like also just kind of bloated and feels like a little bit of a slog i i think this is where the format, the formula is feeling a little stale. Yeah, I think B tier is the right place for this, which brings us to the first game that I feel, and I think the only game among this list that I don't feel super comfortable commenting on because I really only played a few hours of this, which is Skyward Sword.

Mitch, I'll defer to you. And Matt, I know you spent some time with Skyward Sword as well. But I did not play this game. I played this game. I had it for the Wii. I did not play the remaster. First of all, I want to say that the art style of this game also cool as hell. Yeah, it looks great.

It doesn't get enough credit for that. Yeah. So this is a Zelda game that I just didn't buy originally. I didn't even get Skyward Sword. And I didn't even attempt to play. This, to me, feels like Twilight Princess in a way of like, was this like towards the end of the consoles? Absolutely.

2011 for the Wii. So the Wii's been out for five years. It's fucking long in the tooth. A lot of people ignored it. There was a bundle that I got that had the Motion Plus controller, the Wii remote, because that's how the sword controls were originally one-to-one. Which is a pain in the ass. Yeah.

And there's still some of that that moved over, but I, like, didn't do any of the motion controls basically in my playthrough of it. There was, like, I had to shake the controller or whatever, but let me tell you, I played it on the Switch. I played the remaster. I fucking loved it. Oh, wow. I 100%ed it. You did? I did. Yeah. I loved it on the Switch. I played the remaster. I fucking loved it. Oh, wow. I 100%-ed it.

You did? I did. I loved it. Were you doing it with the motion controls or were you playing handheld? I was just playing with the Wii U, the whatever. The Switch, the Joy-Cons? They kind of remapped it where it uses like the D-pad or something, the joystick? The joystick or something like that.

But I loved it. I completely, I was like, oh, this is a classic, and it just is kind of wrapped up in all these kind of weird end-of-a-console lifespan, weird gimmicky controls. There's a lot of different things, but I'm like, it's great. For me, it's A-tier, but I understand if people want to put it below A-tier. I'm going to defer to you. I think let's jam that bad boy in A tier. I know the remaster was really well received.

See, because people are now going to be like, you have Skyward Sword. I mean, this is why, you know what? This gets the listens, baby. This gets the ears to the headphones. Yeah, controversy breeds listens. Yeah, no. But we have Skyward Sword on the same level as the original zelda and to uh wind waker i don't think that's crazy necessarily i think that i think the original zelda sticks out now

being there but i i could be what do you mean it should be moved up or moved down i feel i mean doesn't it feel like it maybe should be moved up i just feel i like those two being next to it makes me be like ugh. It's either it moves up or like those move up or it moves down. I mean you could move everything down. I don't think anything here should be D tier is the thing. I think C is as low as we should go.

I think that should be the floor because I think Adventures in Legend is an interesting game. Could Twilight Princess join Zelda 2 in C tier? Maybe. Honestly, you know, if you want to have Legend of Zelda in tier 2. I don't feel like Wind Waker or Skyward Sword belong in B tier. I think the way we have it out right now is completely reasonable.

Because I think that Zelda is definitely a tier below. The original Zelda is definitely below those other three games in terms of the, you know, executing the formula that it established. And I think the other two games are not as quite as on the same level as as much as I love Wind Waker. They're not quite on the same level as those that trilogy. All right. Next up, let's talk about the big boy. Breath of the Wild.

Oh, shit. I mean, easy S tier. Easiest S tier my fucking life. Easy S tier, shit. I mean... Easy S tier. Easiest S tier of my fucking life. Easy S tier, but maybe a not-so-easy Z tier? Well, that's the discussion, because for me, when it comes down to Z tier, it's like, how much do you care about

what Zelda kind of became before Breath of the Wild came along and kind of, you know, upended the formula? I'll say my piece... We made a big F, by the way. See the F we made? Oh, shit. Of the games. We made a big F. Oh, you know, upended the formula. I'll say my piece. By the way, see the F we made? Oh, shit. Of the games. We made a big F.

Oh, you mean just in terms of how they're laid out geometrically? Yeah. Kind of looks like an F. Yeah. Looks like a big F. Looks like a big F. For all the fun we're having. Is that the direction F goes?

Yeah. What the fuck? It looks backwards to me. Is that the direction F goes? You know, you ever look at a letter and it's like, is that the right direction? No. No. Feels backwards to me. Is that the direction F goes? You know, you ever look at a letter and it's like, is that the right direction? No. Feels backwards to me. I can't believe you even had an internal thought.

I mean, if I just saw it in the context of a word, I'm sure I'd be able to pick it out. But just seeing it in isolation. Is that the direction F goes? That's like overheard in elementary school today. Mitch, maybe you have like an hour to talk afterwards just about like how we're both doing with all this. Is that the direction? Yes, that is the direction F goes. Now, did we do a good job? I don't know.

And we're going to ruin this F because we're putting something in Z tier. Well, we've also got, and I guess the other thing to consider is are we going to throw Link's Awakening for Switch on there? We've got to talk about Link's Awakening. I do think Link's Awakening for Switch is really a delightful game. I don't know if it should be in the same tier. I feel like that's maybe another B tier, even though it's a lot of fun. B tier?

I think it's really cool and charming. I think it maybe feels... I don't know. I also didn't play the original Game Boy game, so I have a different... I'm just considering the modern version. If you put it in B tier, then Twilight Princess has to go down to C tier.

If you want to fight for A tier, I think that's fine. I mean, I had a lot of fun with it. I thought it was a cool... I loved it. I beat it completely, which it wins points for me. Yeah, and I'll say, because I've messed around with Skyward Sword

and was enjoying it enough, but I couldn't really get a handle on the controls. I do want to get back into it because I bought the Amiibo. There's an Amiibo with the bird and Princess Zelda that gets you a different glider in Tears of the Kingdom. I was like, this is worth the price of the Amiibo already. I got to have that. I gotta have that different glider. That's cool.

But, all that said, I think Link's Awakening is more fun and better than Skyward Sword. So I would almost

knock down Skyward Sword to be and put Link's Awakening in the A spot. Even though the remake

is not represented on this tier list, it is the Game Boy version, but we all know what we mean. Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword can't be on the same tier level, I don't think. I think we've got to kick one down. Okay. A couple down, right? Okay, fuck it.

Bring Link down to D tier. Again, these are tier lists relative to other Zeldas. It's not a D of a game. It's still a very, it's a good game, but versus the other Zeldas, not on the same level. And then you're going to create room

for Link's Awakening, you're saying? Yeah, do we put Link's Awakening in B or A? I would argue A. I think it's better than Skyward Sword. So you're saying to move Skyward Sword down to B tier and put Link's Awakening in A? I think.

Look, we have to get controversial here. We have to. We have to. We got to fucking. We got to get mad at each other, you pieces of shit. It's the only way it gets done. You little fucks. You dumb fucks.

Move wherever you want, AppleDucky, you dumb fucking idiot. I'm just being a little fucker. This is just as fair as the 2016 election i think if you feel strongly about wait a minute what president was that uh hillary what president was that hillary still my president well yeah Link's Awakening to me feels it feels like a half game I love it

don't get me wrong I get it it's the same bones as Link to the Past it has the same Link to the Past is more like the original Zelda in that you can kind of just go wherever. I like it in A. So I like it in A and B. Skyward Sword, I love, and I think that a lot of people don't love it.

But I think that for people not loving it, I get you guys putting it in B tier. It makes sense. We can't just go off what I'm saying here. I know, but, like, you're our guest and, like, our friend. We want to, like, this is what we here. I know, but you're our guest and our friend. We want to... This is what we do. No, you also 100%ed it. And I feel like I barely got my feet wet with Skyward Sword.

I kind of bounced off of it really early and never returned to it. I think if we're going to put Link's Awakening on the board, if it has to be in B tier, it has to be in B tier. Because it's not Twilight Princess, right? It's not the adventure of Link. Yeah, it's not it's quite it's not Twilight Princess right it's not the adventure of Link yeah it's a little bit it's a little bit of a more you know it's a more linear experience it's got some you know quirky uh dated elements to it but it is it is a cool game and it's a really good remaster yeah and you know I haven't played the Oracle of Ages Oracle season

we're not doing handhelds but I feel like of the other handhelds on the board, they could all go into B tier too. Well, we're not going to handle... We don't have time to get into the handhelds. I think you're right. I would disagree with you. But we don't have time to get into it. I think you're right.

All right, so let's figure out one to rule them all. One Z tier Zelda. Wow. For me, my candidates are Breath of the Wild. Should it be Triforce tier? Should it be T tier? Yeah, okay. It's T tier. Alright, so Matt, do you mind changing that? Matt's going to go ahead and change the Z to a T. Okay, so we got a T

tier for Triforce tier. Oh shit, but if it's Triforce it's going to be three games. Okay, so we'll pick our top three and let's go with Triforce tier. Change it back to Z tier. Back to Z tier. It'll be Z tier. Matt's going to change it to Z tier. But we're still picking our top three? We're just going to Z tier. Okay. Back to Z tier. All right, it'll be Z tier. Matt's going to change it to Z tier. But we're still picking our top three? Right. We're just going to pick one.

Okay. All right. I'm going to make the case for two games. It's either Breath of the Wild. And my Breath of the Wild thing is that I feel like recency bias, there's sometimes people like, ah, that's recency bias. But then there's also, I think there's a recency bias, like bias, which leads people to underrate things that are recent. Because I'm just like I think it's the best Zelda in the same way that Mission Impossible

Fallout is the best Mission Impossible sometimes the most recent one is the best one and I think that's true about Zelda. As a man who thinks Mario 64 was the best game I think Odyssey beats it. Yeah because sometimes that happens I mean Odyssey certainly a lot you know it's a great evolution of the

formula. That said, A Link to the Past, in terms of the classic Zelda, is so refined. It's such a great overall experience. It might be my pick for Z tier, but I'm not sure if it kind of holds up

for gamedom at large. I feel like people would probably point to something else. I guess the other one you can talk about is Ocarina of Time. I, again, like Majora's Mask more than Ocarina of Time, but you know,

a lot of people say that's the defining Zelda. Ocarina of Time for me would be Z tier, but it's a nostalgia, a nostalgia pick. I think if I have to look at this, um, what's the word I'm looking for? Objectively.

Thank you. If I'm looking at this objectively, what, look, fuck you. You didn't know which way F went. It's hard to fucking remember stuff. Yeah. If I'm looking at this objectively, fuck, you didn't know which way F went. It's hard to fucking remember stuff. Yeah.

If I'm to look at this objectively, a link to the past is really good, but part of me also just thinks like it might just be Breath of the Wild. People are putting like hundreds and thousands of hours into Breath of the Wild. It is endlessly replayable. I think that speaks to – and also, again, the genesis of this franchise, the original Legend of Zelda was so much about just exploration, a minimum of hand-holding. Whereas a lot of these games got to be just endless dialogue boxes, so much like, hey, do exactly this now, so much reteaching of mechanics. And let me just throw it out there. The hottest Zelda of all is the Breath of the Wild Zelda. Yeah.

She's a looker. But then again, the fountain fairies in Ocarina of Time. I mean, come on. But the fountain fairies in Breath of the Wild. They're not what they think. I didn't leave much to the imagination. Yeah, that's those fairies. I'd love to be crushed by any one of them.

Of the Zeldas on the board, Breath of the Wild is the one I've spent the most time with. It's a game that didn't hook me at first. Yes. I started it over three times before I finally finished it. Well, that's kind of the beauty of it, too, is that you're like, wait a minute. It taught me how to love it, right? And I think that is like, I don't know, that's what of the beauty of it, too, is that you're like, wait a minute. It taught me how to love it, right? And I think that is like, I don't know. That's what a good, that's what it's like a good relationship.

I will say, I'll say that. Yeah, I agree. You hate the person that you're dating at first. You have to break up with them three times. And then finally you love them. And then you settle for it. I think that the one thing that I will hold against Breath of the Wild is that it is so different

from the rest of the Zeldas. That's the argument against it, is that because it kind of subverts the existing formula, is it the defining Zelda? But I think that it upended it in the way it needed to be upended at the right time, and I think we're going to see this format continue to evolve with

the game tiers of the kingdom so that would be my argument for for bot dubs and well my counter argument none of these games really are like each other right like the one that comes next isn't necessarily like the one that comes before it and this new one is sort of like breath of the wild too right like it's like it's i mean there's a little more to do there's gonna be a little more game design it looks like there's like maybe has dungeons or something so you're saying z tier should be tears of the kingdom i'm saying because it has a game that is basically an iteration of it it's not it's no longer going to be unique in a couple of weeks and therefore i think it belongs in s and a link to the past maybe belongs in z wow having not played it shit i'm surprised

here you make that case i mean i would not object to link the bass being in z tier it's a it's a fucking marvelous game but i but I do kind of feel like Breath of the Wild is the correct move. And I also will say that if you look at Zelda and Majora's Mask, I'm sorry, if you look at Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, those are very similar games

that just change how they're executed and what their narrative is. I'm happy to put Breath of the Wild in Z because, like I said, it's like the one that I wrote credits to put Breath of the Wild in Z, because like I said, it's like the one that I wrote credits on, I felt like I did something, even though I spent 90 hours in a week doing it. My Z tier, Zelda Fitzgerald.

There you go. Okay, I think... Would we have this franchise without Zelda Fitzgerald? That's a great question. We might not. I think, yeah, Zelda Fitzgerald has to go in the Z tier. All right, Zelda Fitzgerald in the Z tier. So just to recap, D tier, Adventures of Link.

C tier, we got Twilight Princess. B tier, Link's Awakening, the console remaster. A tier, The Legend of Zelda. Also, The Wind Waker and then Skyward Sword. And S tier, we are sticking Link to the Past.

Very top heavy, but understandably so. Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, and Breath of the Wild. And up in Z tier, The Defining Zelda,

Zelda Fitzgerald. Congratulations. Wow. We stan a legend. Yeah. And you know what? I'm going to put Zelda Williams up there too. All right, great. Robin Williams' daughter. Yeah, that. Wow. We stan a legend. Yeah. And you know what? I'm going to put Zelda Williams up there, too.

All right, great. Robin Williams' daughter. Yeah, that's right. Named after the Zelda games. Named after the Zelda games. Yeah. So there you go. If you had to add one game to make the Triforce with those two, is it A Link to the Past or Breath of the Wild?

It feels like it's just a dead heat here. I think it's, I honestly, my head says Breath of the Wild. I think like it's just a dead heat here. I think it's, I honestly, my head says Breath of the Wild. I think that that's the Zelda game. And Matt clearly thinks A Link to the Past. I could go, I mean, for the sake of, I guess, ending the exercise, I would fold and say Breath of the Wild. I think it's like, I mean, it's like, it's an all-timer. I feel like Zelda lists that I've seen, it's ranked number one, and it's ranked number one for a reason.

All right. I'll say Breath of the Wild as well. It is now Z tier. Wow. We did it. Congratulations. Get the fuck out of here, Zelda Fitzgerald. You're 86th.

Back to hell for you. Say hi to Nixon. All right. Hey, that was Tears of the Kingdom. Matt, it's time for a segment.. All right. Hey, it's time for... Hey, that was Tears of the Kingdom. Matt, it's time for a segment. That's right. You got out for a minute to go to the Zelda tier, eh? That's Nixon in hell.

God damn it, Barack. I can't believe you drank Skyward Sword that high. They should do old school presidents. They should... Come on. I have to say that my favorite Zelda was Triforce Heroes. All right. So I have a segment.

It's called Fan Theory or Canon Normally. But for this month, I'm going to call it Fan Theory or Ganon. Wow. That's good. Okay, so basically I have- The only thing we have to fear is Calamity Ganon. So how this works, Mitch, it's I'm going to have, I'm going to read a couple of things here, just like short little things. And you're going to have to determine whether or not it's a fan theory or if it's canon to the Legend of Zelda franchise.

Okay, great. Wow. Here we go. The Majora's Masks are trapped souls. Canon. Gannon. Mitch with Gannon.

I want to play Zelda now, now, now. That's Lincoln. That's Lincoln? That's Lincoln. That's Lincoln? That's Lincoln. That's from the movie Lincoln. Oh, I didn't see it. Oh, you got to see Lincoln.

I feel like I looked at a $5 bill and I was like, I get it. Should we do a Spielberg tier list? Oh, man, that'd be fun. I think we could knock it out in the next five minutes. Yeah, I think so. So Mitch says Ganon. What do you say, Nick? I'm trying to remember their trapped souls.

I'm trying to think of some of the more elaborate quests, like with the wedding mask you end up with. I can't remember just exactly what happens narratively. I do think this does feel like canon. It is a fan theory. It's a fan theory. I do think this does feel like canon. It is a fan theory. It's a fan theory.

There's a fan theory that they represent the five stages of grief, but it's not so. It's never been really confirmed. Each transpiration mask represents someone how possible or definitely has passed on. And the Goron who appears as the bargaining ghost, the Zora musician who passes in front of you, and the Deku mask could represent the past child of a Deku butler. Perhaps unable to accept their own passing, these souls must stay trapped forever in the masks. It's a fan theory.

If you could be one of the creatures, I mean, I think I would have to be a Goron just size-wise. What would you want to be of the bunch? The plant one is always the Deku one is always kind of creepy to me. I don't think I would it feels like very much like the fly. It's like Cronenberg or something where I wouldn't want to be the Deku. But the Goron and the

what are the swimmy ones? Yeah, I think that's my answer. And a lot of that is from the way of water. I'd think it'd be the Zora. I'd think it'd swim around with Prince Sidon. Fucking his hunky ass could teach me how to hold my breath. From the way of water. I'd think it'd be the Zora. The Zora, yeah. I'd think it'd swim around with Prince Sidon. Mm-hmm. Fucking his hunky ass could teach me how to hold my breath. And you know that they're fucking down there.

They're so fucking, they're clearly the horniest of the species. Yeah. But you never know. I think the Gorons can probably fucking go to town, too. Rolling around all over. The Dekus are like, it's fucking weird. I don't know how it works, but it's fucking gross. It's like asexual reproduction.

There's like spores and stuff. That one hole. Yeah, fucking gross. I'll be whatever Tingle is. He's just a guy. He's just a guy. I think I'll just be a guy. Good choice. This next one

sort of goes into what we were just discussing. The Zora evolve into the Rito. I think that's got to be a fan theory. Yeah, that's fan theory, I think, too. We're wrong? That's incorrect. This theory was actually confirmed by Nintendo in the Hyrule Historia.

Wow. That's insane. Yeah, it suggests that the Zora are ancestors of the Rito tribe in Wind Waker. The Zora are our first seen in Ocarina of Time. After the events of the game, there was a great flood resulting in the Wind Waker world. Although you'd think it's as—well, this is now this person editorializing. Although you'd think that the Zora would love this water world, they decided to evolve into birds for some reason. That's what—there you go.

That's how evolution works. I guess I'll just be a bird now. Fuck this. The bird people are pretty cool too. Yeah, the burrito are awesome. The timeline of Zelda, that's one of those things I always get scrambled in my head. It's like, oh wait, this one happens like 400 years before this other one. I don't know what the fuck's going on here.

We never really did talk about the horniness factor of these games. There is a high horniness factor that I didn't realize. Yeah, they're high key horny. Seeing the fairies in the fountain when I was a kid, I was like, oh. Like, I did, like, you know, I was like 15 or 16. Yeah.

Got my Dippin' Dot all excited. This thing's about to melt. Yeah, melted my Dippin' Dot. Here's another one here. Twilight Princess is a sequel to Majora's Mask. Hmm. Interesting. I'm gonna, I'm gonna fucking say that's...

Again, the timelines are so confusing. I'll say that's, that's fan theory. I'm gonna go, hmm, I'll just go the opposite for the fun of it. Ganon. Okay. Mitch is correct, it. Ganon. Okay. Mitch is correct. It is Ganon. Wow.

This was confirmed by Nintendo in the Hyrule Historia. Due to the time travel in Ocarina of Time, three timelines were created. In one, Link fails to defeat Ganon. In another, adult Link has Ganon sealed. And in the third, child Link protects the Sacred Realm. We also know that Majora's Mask is a sequel to Ocarina of Time. After Twilight Princess was released. Fans speculated and later learned that it was the same

timeline. We now know that Twilight Princess took place about 100 years after Ocarina of Time. Wow. Mitch is on the board with one. I gotta get this fucking Hyrule Historia. Yeah, it's got all the information. This is a lot of shit. I mean, you read a lot

of shit and there's different years, like you're saying generations it's just hard to fucking know who could even say um here's one more we're not being bad fans all right no issue all the games on this show wiker have had don't play the zelda games yeah the real takeaway is that they'll be mad at you for getting these like inscrutable things wrong and not mad at me for never playing as Zelda the Zelda games are a dream within a dream I've heard a version of this

before I think this is a fan theory it's a fan theory yeah so you both get a point yeah it's like it says that because the games all start with Link sleeping and he never goes back to sleep in the games uh they they suggest that the previous one was a dream and now he's also dreaming again uh dreams within a dream yeah inception style that's insane that doesn't

happen tell it to christopher nolan that's true tell it to him see how he takes that i would never do i would never i would never say anything to him. I had a dream last night. I was just watching gators eat people alive. It was fucking horrifying. That's insane. Yeah. I had a dream the other night where I was army crawling on my floor trying to avoid

my landlord seeing me in the window. It was so strange. Wow. I guess I want to know why you both had these dreams. I don't know. You had gators eating people alive? Yeah. I was like, I saw, like, so I got a gator, like, bit a dude's leg off.

And he was, like, starting to, trying to, like, crawl away. And then he turned towards the gator. And the gator, like, fucking ate him whole. I was like, this is unbelievable. Are you sure you just didn't have Crawl on? Crawl ripped. Were you just watching Crawl? I loved Crawl.

Crawl is awesome. I'd watch, like, four more Crawls. On Doughboys, I said Crawl was one of my favorite movies of the year. I loved it. And then people were kind of like, that's one of your favorite movies of the year? And then Tarantino said it was one of his favorite movies of the year. He's right about everything. He's right about everything.

I do have one more here. I'll just read this one real quick. Link's Awakening was inspired by Twin Peaks. Hmm. Fan theory. I'll say Ganon. It is Ganon. Wow. Well, we're tied. Yeah, I guess I do have one more if we want to do one more. I was typing

on this computer. I don't know why you all have computer setups in front of you. Do you use these ever? I think they're able it's more like if there's like a live radio situation here more people can have stuff in front of them. Got it. These are just not...

They're nothing to me. So if there's another January 6th, these things could come up and you guys could watch it and comment on it? Well, I'd probably take it and take a shit on it is what I'd do. The January 6th, I'm not going to be here. Yeah, what are you talking about? I'm not going to be here. Yeah, what are you talking about? The creator of the game, Tetsuka, said to achieve what he wanted to.

He was watching Twin Peaks at the time, and he wanted the game to focus on a small group of characters in a small town, which is what Link's Awakening is. And so he got that feeling from watching Twin Peaks. Yeah, it feels like the sort of thing that a developer have, a developer would have been watching that at the time and just sort of... All right, that makes sense. Yeah. Should we just end it on a tie? Let's just end it on a tie.

Let's end it on a tie. Let's end it at a wholesome place. That's nice. And Mitch, you were very nice to bless us with your time. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me.

Such a delight. A damn hoot. Such a hoot. That's this week's Get Played. Links for our social media are in the episode description. And hey, our new engineer is Alex Gonzalez

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Twisted Metal comes out at some point in this next year. I don't know if there's a – and the trailer is now online, so check that out. And that'll be on Peacock. And that'll be on Peacock. And then the Doughboys podcast with Nick Weiger. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, baby. And the Doughboys double.

Check that out. Check that out. We got Matt on an episode coming up. That's right. You're talking Starry. Oh, yeah. That'll be a lot of fun. What a time that was.

It was a great time. Man, I can't believe that hasn't come. We've been backlogging, but that feels like we did that like a year ago now. Time flies. It really does. It's truly wild. What a blast. Mitch, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me. Do we want to play that? Yeah, I think we wanted to say that

Mitch mentioned this earlier, but Jordan Duffy, who worked with us for a time here, she is moving on to other shows and we loved working with Jordan. We'll miss having her around, but we wanted to acknowledge that she has put her stamp on this show. She has left her legacy. And that is, of course, the song she made for us, Stream Daddy. Stream daddy. Stream. Stream daddy.

Daddy. Thanks, Jordan. We'll miss you. And you got played. Heroes