Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast - All Aboard "The Love Boat" w/ Jim Colucci, Murray Hill and Jill Whelan

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

To celebrate one of the most popular shows in television history, ABC's "The Love Boat," Frank sits down with author and historian Jim Colucci ("Love Boat Forever: An Unauthorized Tour of the Lido Deck"), actor-comedian Murray Hill ("Somebody Somewhere") and Vicki Stubing herself, actress Jill Whelan, for a lighthearted (and revealing!) conversation about the long-running romantic comedy-drama. In this episode, the panel discusses the generosity of Aaron Spelling, the innocence (and absurdity) of the show's storylines, the gallery of legendary guest stars and the series' lasting impact on popular culture. Also, Murray teams with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Jill remembers Leslie Nielsen (and "Airplane!"), Jim shares a special moment with Ricky Martin and Frank shares a very special Jack Jones duet. PLUS: Remembering Ernie Anderson! Jill hangs with Andy Warhol! Debbie Reynolds works blue! Carol Channing eats a Twinkie! And "The Love Boat" inspires the "Amazing Colossal Podcast"!  Subscribe now on  Apple ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fun-for-all-ages-with-frank-santopadre/id1824012922⁠⁠⁠⁠ Spotify ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/show/18EQJNDwlYMUSh2uXD6Mu6?si=97966f6f8c474bc9⁠⁠⁠⁠ Amazon ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/13b5ed88-d28d-4f0c-a65e-8b32eecd80f6/fun-for-all-ages-with-frank-santopadre⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgvlbF41NLLPvsrcZ9XIsYKkH_HvUXHSG⁠⁠⁠⁠ iHeart ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-fun-for-all-ages-with-fran-283612643/⁠⁠⁠⁠ TuneIn ⁠⁠⁠⁠http://tun.in/pxOWO Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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His books include Will & Grace, fabulously uncensored, the Q Guide to the Golden Girls, the New York Times bestseller, Golden Girls Forever, and the 2021 release all in the family of the show The Change Television, co-authored with the late great Norman Lear, and he recently completed his next book, Love Boat Forever. Well, that's good timing. Yeah, for two it is, isn't it? Yes, if you had written a book about Scarecrow and Mrs. King,

what would we be doing? Oh, my God, what am I doing in this studio? Exactly. Murray Hill, Mr. Shobaz is a popular actor, comedian, host, and a New York City legend, I tell you, anointed by the New York Times as downtown's new it boy and the reigning patriarch of the downtown performance community. You know his work from Amy Schumer's Life and Beth, the comedy drama short bus, HBO's board to death.

The Hulu competition series Drag Me to Dinner, that was fun. CBS is Ellsbeth, which we watched the other night, the Paul Feig Dark Comedy Jackpot, the upcoming holiday feature, The Man with a Bag, and of course, as the wise and lovable master of ceremonies and soil expert, Fred Rococo, on HBO's Somebody Somewhere.

And he has referred to the Love Boat as his warm blanket and something he can't live without. Very sweet, very touching. And we're also excited to be joined by a beloved member of the Love Boat cast. Jill Whelan is an actress, singer, producer, and radio talk show host with dozens of stage and screen appearances to our credit,

including criminal minds, The Bold and the Beautiful, Diagnosis Murder, Fantasy Island, the Masked Singer, and of course, as the young heart patient, Lisa Davis, in the comedy classic Airplay. This lady has danced with Ginger Rogers, toured with Sammy Davis, and shared the screen with everyone from Gene Kelly to Olivia to Havelin, but she's perhaps best known for her breakout role as Captain Stubing's daughter, Vicki Stubing, on the series. We are here to talk about the Love Boat. Oh, that was a really good, my Ernie Anderson.

Ernie Anderson, yeah. Well done, well done. That's the best I got for you. The Love Boat. I always remember there at the same time as The Love Boat, there had been a soap on ABC called Malibu, and the best part of it was the promo where he said, Malibu. Murray, do you remember Ernie Anderson? Oh, of course. We went to college together.

He was the ABC. Magruder and Loud. He was that guy in the 70s. And he's the father of Paul Thomas Anderson. Magnolia and Boogie Knights fame. Who used to play in the backyard of my stepfather's home. Do tell. With his son, Stephen. And they used to do like, you know, sciops playing in the backyard

with fake laser guns and everything until a neighbor didn't understand what was going on and actually called the police. Oh, interesting. Yes, yes, yes. Did you know? Simpler times.

Simpler times. Let me thank you guys for doing this coming out on a rainy Wednesday in New York City. I'm going to start with something fun before, just to get the ball rolling and because we're going to assume that listeners and Love Boat fans

are familiar with these episodes. I want to just start by asking and I'm sure you've been asked this a thousand times, Jill, but I'm going to ask it a thousand and one. Favorite episode. Gosh, I would, I mean, I don't have just, well, okay, my first favorite episode is the one where I got to be a series regular. So not a time for everything, not the one where you made your debut.

No, I loved that. Yeah, it's a good one. Just watch that. Oh, that's so cute. But I think where I got to be a regular and I knew that this man, Gavin McLeod, who I'd become super close with, was somebody I was going to see on the daily. That was pretty awesome.

But other than that, I would say any of the musicals that we did because of the people that we got to work with. Cab Calloway and Ethel Merman and Ann Miller. Van Johnson and so on. Don't forget Carol. Oh, a Carol. Murray, same question. You must have one.

I know it's hard to pick. Well, you know, as a fellow actor, I'm happy that your favorite episode is when you became an official character because we know that's when the pay changes. That's right. My favorite episode, well, I have a couple, but one of them, of course, is the Halston episode. Oh, isn't that great? I mean, it's just the showmanship and just the, because I love showbiz.

I love everything old school, and I just love that. And, you know, I'm, I loved when Buddy Hackett was on and Shecky Green. like those were some of my favorite episodes and then the one was that carol channing and ethel merman oh gosh yes yeah when all of a sudden we're supposed to think that they're still on the ship but the stage just got eight times as big so i was like i'm here for this dispel you know this belief i'm here for it i love it and that was so that was kind of halston was my biggest one and then the carol channing and ethel merman well the fact that they let the crew members sleep with the guests alone was sort of, you know.

But, you know, when you mention Halston, what's amazing, too, is that we also had on that episode Gloria Vanderbilt. Yes. And Jeffrey Bean. I mean, it was a pretty incredible. And Bob Mackey. And Bob Mackey. I mean, it was a pretty awesome episode.

There was some great stunt casting on the show. And Warhol, of course. Warhol. Come on. Yeah. Jill, you have a great story about Warhol, about how he came on the show. and I only learned this recently from you. Yes, so when I, I was in New York on some press junket thing,

and I was in a store and I was shopping. I still remember the designer. It was a leather designer, and he did all of Brigitte Nielsen's jackets when she was married to Sylvester Stallone. And it was Jean-Claudeau was the name of the, and he had these gorgeous leather jackets, and I was in the store, and I was just looking through, coveting everything.

Somebody tapped me on the shoulder. and it was a young gal and she said, you know, I work for Andy Warhol. And are you Jill Wheelan? And I said, yes. She said, well, if Andy knew you were in town, he would love it if you would come down to the factory, if you have a minute.

And this is obviously, as you said before, Murray, different times. This didn't seem like a kidnapping to you. Yeah, no. I mean, yes, she had a van with no windows. And she said she had a charging station and a puppy. But I went with her in a taxi down to Andy Warhol's factory. And he met us at the door and brought us in and brought me in. And he gave me a tour and he signed posters and could not have been sweeter.

It was amazing. How nice to meet a hero, to meet somebody that you admire and they turn out to not be a disappointment. No, he was wonderful. He was wonderful. And that sparked the connection to get him on the show. No, this is after he'd already been on. Oh, it is? Yeah.

No, he'd already been on. Oh, okay. So that would have been really cool if it was the other way around. I have to change a manuscript, too. Make a fix. Jim, I know this shows been an obsession forever for you, but was there a gateway episode? Was there a, was, can you, can some shows you can pinpoint the first time you saw it and how you kind of got drawn in? Yeah, I mean, I think any of them that had a big guest star that I was obsessed with would have been a gateway.

But definitely the follies. There's no way I could see the follies, which is the one we were talking about with Carol and Ethel and Ann Miller, that you can't watch that and not want to watch more of the show. It's like this is all the greats of the 20th century in one episode doing what they do best. It's great, Delores, Cab Calaway. It's just great to see all those people. And that was something that Spelling actually prided himself on. He enjoyed bringing these people back. Absolutely.

That was one of his favorite things to do. I mean, he was a young actor coming up before he was Aaron Spelling that we know. So for him, it was a wonderful opportunity to sort of pay homage to these people. Because it's clearly made, the show is made with such affection and such love of old Hollywood. I've told this to Jim, I used to do a podcast with Gilbert Godfried. We did 600 episodes. We interviewed among other people, Gavin and Bernie, who we'll hear from. I have a recording of them to play for you.

But I remember Gilbert calling me one day and saying, you know, what we should do is something like the loveboat. And I said, how you can do a podcast like the love boat? And he said, the point is these people, I watch these people, and they're as good as ever. people who were making, you know, they were in the twilight of their career, many of them. But that inspired us to do that show. And then we went on to have Alan Arkin and Bruce Stern and Peter Fonda and Carl Reiner and all of these people and Norman. Because we really felt that. We shared that sentiment.

It's a wonderful thing. And that these people are still vital and that the spotlight should not dim. Absolutely. So that show, the show, which is another reason I wanted to do this with Jim, that show was an inspiration. for that podcast that we did 665. I love that. Yeah. I love that too. Jill, I got a question. Yes. And it's related to what we're talking about here. Yes, sir. And I don't know if this is, if it's a wife's tale or not. But, you know, a lot of the old Hollywood actors that we just talked about, but it was also a lot of the old vaudevillian, you know, people. And is it true that he booked them into the show? so some of them could keep their union status and things like that?

Is that a real thing that happened? Yeah, you know, that was Aaron. That's, he was wonderful that way. I mean, that's why we were able to get so many incredible people, is that they knew that when they came to the show, they would be treated in a certain way. They wouldn't be treated like, oh, it's just another, really. Get them in here, put the lights on them, make them say a line.

You know, it wasn't like that. It was they, every guest who came on the show got a gorgeous gift basket with a silver tray that was engraved with the episode they were in and the date and their name. I have the one from Mike Conner's estate sale. Oh, you do really? Oh, my God, that's hilarious. Wait a minute. I'm not going to be insulted that Mike Connors sold his goddamn tray at an estate sale. He was dead. He was dead in all.

Well, still. The family. That's a really good question. by the way, Murray, yeah, because I wanted to know the same thing. Were some of these people just, was he giving them roles so that they could keep their health coverage? Well, I mean, that was very much on par with who Aaron was. There's, you know, he really was. Juliet Mills tells a story that when she did the episode of Love Boat with us,

that her father was also on the episode and Aaron actually... And her sister. And her sister. And he actually did it at a time to make sure that they could all be together for Christmas, which was an episode we did in December. And so they were all together because they all lived in different places and did different things. And he facilitated that opportunity for them to have Christmas together because they were working on our show. How rewarding that must have been for him. I mean, obviously he had a franchise here and he had a big hit on his hands, which is always nice to have.

But he also, he could derive some pleasure from doing a nice thing for people. and for stars that he grew up on and cared about. It was a mitzvah. It's admirable. It is a mitzvah. He had such an appreciation for the old guard, Aaron. And I know that Doug Kramer, in a way, did too. And so did Dennis Hammer, who did casting.

And they all really wanted to see these people work more. And Aaron loved, like, they called them the weepies, like the melodramas of the 40s and 50s. And he wanted to see those people again because those kind of stories really worked well on Love Boat, too. So he knew not only that, they could handle the material. So it was really he created this great time capsule. He did. He really did, and he was really gifted at it.

I didn't want to leave you out because we didn't get to your... No, oh, no, I feel like I'm interrupting too much. I'm going to shut up now. Did I just, did I ask you a favorite episode? Did I ask you a... Yes, well, Follies. That might... So it's Follies, which is the one you had me watch. Yes. Yeah, I was counting...

Well, I'll interrupt. Again, I'm going to tell you... Go ahead, Mer. You know, one of my favorite things to do with my partner is we watched... She makes me wait to the end. Oh, there's a joke there, but it's not that. She makes me wait to the end of the episode and then we get right on IMDB

we go to the episode and my favorite thing is to look at the guest stars and it's every time it's like these huge Hollywood starlets from the 50s and 60s and you see these

you know and some of the guest stars are you know a little they're in their like 60s to 70s when they get to the love vote and then you go back and you see them in these black and white stills from the, like, and it's just, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

you know, people don't even remember anymore. Yeah, I mean, we had Lillian Gish. Yes. Just watched, that was on on this Sunday, it was just on, really? Lillian Gish. Yeah. One of the few stars on the show to actually be in silence. Yes. One of the few. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, this, this, this was welcome for you because you were a kid that watched old movies. You were, you were a kid that grew up in that environment. loved them. So you were the rare child that knew who these people were. Yeah, I mean, you know.

Olivia De Havilland and Lillian Gish. Louise Rainer. Louise Rainer. And but, but, but, but, um, Della Reese and Carol Channing and Ethel Merman and Juliet Prouse, all of them because they were all in the things that I loved more than anything, which was musical theater, which is where I started. Was any diva behavior, did anything surface in that, in the making of that episode? with all of those different women involved.

Do you know this? I love that you're asking him. Well, I'm looking at you, Jill, because I know a little, but I want to hear it from somebody who was there. Yeah, I mean, when you bring Della Reese and Ethel Merman and Anne Miller and all of these people. What I will say that I loved about Anne Miller is that she was so down to earth. She would walk on to the set and be like, okay, kids, let's go. And she really was, I loved her, but I'm interested to hear what story you know. There are a couple stories, one of which I heard kind of apocryphally, but then one, I got directly from Carol and her rep before Carol passed.

And it's just that there was a legendary rivalry between Carol and Ethel. Yeah. And one of the stories involves them not being in the same car to be picked up to be brought to set because they really wanted to spend as little time together as possible. And one day there was a mix-up And two of them ended up in the same car And there was a little bit of a verbal tussle But the other story is that And how blue can we get here, Frank?

You can get as blue as you like The C-word, the C-word can be dropped If you insist. Frank. So the story, and I think Ethel even wrote this in print But she did it, I mean, Carol wrote it in print But she did it in a very sanitized way where she did asterisks and exclamation points

or whatever for the C-word being a somewhat religious and kind of classy person so she wouldn't have said it the way I'm about to say it but there was a scene and maybe you witnessed this and you know the exact dialogue

I don't know there was a scene where all of the ladies were together I guess they were rehearsing for the follies and Ethel's line was just to call Carol over

and so Carol's character name was Sylvia but Ethel couldn't remember that and Ethel was not doing well health-wise at the end there so this was in that time And so Ethel kept blowing the scene because she would just be like, Carol, come here. Come here. And she would not say she could not get Sylvia.

And finally, in frustration, because it was Carol, she blurted out, come here, you dumb cunt. And that's the story that Carol recalled. Well, you know, there's always two sides to every story. I'm sure there are. What I will say is that as much of a broad as Ethel, was, she was a really sweet, giving soul. And we were pen pals for years. And she was absolute, I adored her. And Carol was, you know, Carol was just funny. Like she was, you know,

zippy-dippy, kind of an airhead, kind of a gal. Is there a story about her sleeping under one of the trailers? Yes, that's my story. Oh, okay. That's a good story. Yeah, I mean, one day they couldn't find her on the set, and they were looking for her everywhere. The first AD was yelling at the second AD, who was yelling at the third AD to go find her. Where the hell is she? They're looking around, and we had these things called honeywagons. So for people who don't know what a honey wagon is, it's basically a long trailer,

and there's tiny little dressing rooms inside, and everybody's got their own bathroom and a little couch and a mirror. and it was apparently too hot for her so finally they realized where she was and she was lying underneath the entire honey wagon so strange and on the asphalt waiting to go in in the shade underneath this I know she was famous for bringing her own food

yes very famous for bringing her own food something else that someone told me it plays on both of those stories and I don't remember who the guest star was who told me I'm not even trying to protect her identity but it was a female guest star and she had a man a male friend coming to visit her on set and when he arrived at her dressing room maybe her honey wagon i don't know he look he was white as a ghost and she said what happened and he said i just walked by an open trailer with the door wide open and there was carol channing sitting in a yoga pose pose buck naked eating a chicken wing well what i can tell you

jim you got all the great dirt oh i'm gonna get right in there with it One of my dearest friends in the world, may he rest in peace. My dear friend Ralph, who passed away of AIDS in the very, very beginnings before we even knew what it was, was her assistant. And we know the story about Carol. She had this Tiffany Sterling set of camping wear that she would take to Chasins and she would have her distilled water and she would bring her own food out as we were having dinner at Chasins or wherever we were. and he was living at the house, and he came downstairs, and this was actually in my cabaret act, I said this story. Okay.

He came downstairs one night in the middle of the night, and there was Carol sitting at the table, buck naked, wearing a clear plastic holly hobby apron, eating twinkies and ho-hoes. This seems to be a pattern. Yes. Yes. So that is a true story.

This should be added to the IMDB page for the Folly's episode. Murray, we should say, too, this is not a visual podcast, but Murray is wearing a captain's stooping hat. That's right, of course. He came in character. Hey, we'll return to fun for all ages after this brief intermission. Hey, it's your fearless leader again, here to thank more Patreon supporters. for their loyal and much appreciated support. We've been doing this every week.

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With its 626 horsepower twin-turbo V8 engine, the Defender Octa is taking on the Dakar rally, the ultimate off-road challenge. Learn more at landrover.ca. And now back to the fun. Murray, how much of a completest are you? Will you also watch, have you also watch the Love Boat movies and the, uh, and you mean the two part specials? No, I mean the two, what were there, Jim? Three pilots?

There were three pilots, then nine seasons. One with Ted Hamilton. Yes, Ted Hamilton. Yeah. Three pilots, nine seasons, then three more TV movies. And then actually another TV movie, The Valentine Voyage, which Jill you were in. Yep. Yeah, so it's been a lot.

And then, of course, the next wave, which you were in, as a guest star. Oh, with Robert Eurek. Yeah. Yes. Robert Eurek wanted me to come back and play his wife. Oh, interesting. That would have been really cool. For symmetry.

Yes, I think so, just to bring it back. Yeah. Kind of makes sense. I didn't want, so I started from the beginning. So I think I'm on, and, you know, this is also a sign of the old days. How many episodes, Julia, in each season, like 100? It feels like it. I don't even know, but like, I don't know, 30.

Almost 30. Yeah. And that's unheard of today. Yeah, of course. I have six in the shows I'm in, six episodes. Oh. my God, yes. Yeah, that doesn't get you anything.

I just got a royalty check for $5. I know. Welcome. Yeah, yeah. Welcome to the world today. So I watched it from the beginning. So I haven't made it to the movies yet, but I did love how, I don't know if it started off like this, but they had the two-part stories every time it went to a new season.

And it was most of the time on location. And it was bananas. The one they got stuck in the jungle. Oh, God. They went to Australia looking for. you know, Julie's, like, boyfriend. Yes. That's the Venetian one with go with, was it gopher who's kidnapped?

Yeah, well, yeah, the Prince of the Pauper storyline that they did, yes. Well, which makes the theater being so big, not so bad. Yeah. Yes. Tell us about the show first coming into your life, Jill, because I know you, you had done something for Aaron. You had done this show called Friends, not the Friends, obviously, with Jennifer Aniston, but a different kind of, a different Aaron spelling project called Friends.

And then he kept you in mind? Well, what happened was I did my first series for him called Friends, a pilot, I should say. And then that was against 60 minutes. And back in those days, they didn't move shows around and shift them around to see if they'd work in a better time slot. So that was the end of the show, just because 60 minutes is undefeated, I think even still today, in their time slot. Probably. So I had already guessed it as the character, Vicki, in a time for everything, which you have. Yeah.

Already starred. And then my show ended. And what happened is that Aaron wanted to sign me as kind of like an old studio player just to work with him on whatever he wanted me to work on. And my lawyer at the time said, no, because I don't, no, you can't do that. You can't work for anybody else if it's the old studio system. So she didn't let me do that. And then Gavin, after we had worked together, said to Aaron, you know, I'd really, really like the opportunity to have a little bit more layering in my character.

And we already love her. And we've already gotten so many letters about this relationship. People, the fans seem to love this. And Aaron said, well, let's just bring her back. Her show's over and bring her back. So that's how I went in as Vicky as a regular. Forever changed your life. Forever changed my life.

How much time passed between when you were, because you were first a guest, and then you went away and then you came back. So how much time was in between there? I kind of ask my mom. I can't imagine it was a long time. I would probably say six months maybe. Six months. Six months, something like that.

Maybe eight months, probably. And then did you become a regular, when you've joined the second time? Yes. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So cool.

So he couldn't get me to sign as a studio actor, you know, in a, in a, one of those contracts, is a, but he was able to get me on his show. So that worked better for me. Yes, absolutely. Take us through, Jim, quickly, because for people that don't know, there were three pilots, Gavin came later. Yes. Bernie was not the original doc. No. No.

So. Trivia question. And who was the original dog? I believe it was Dick Van Patton. You are correct. Yes. Well, you can't put this over on me, Jill. I told you he knows everything, Jill.

I see that. That is impressive. He's a walking encyclopedia. It's impressive. Well, I think we covered it too with Bernie on the old podcast. Yeah, I'm sure you did, right? Yeah. But take us through it.

I mean, then Ted Hamilton was an Australian actor? Ted Hamilton's still with us, as far as I know. I spoke to him a few years ago. Australian actor. He's known here mostly for the pirate movie, and he still gets a lot of fan The Pirate movie with Christy McNickel and Christopher Atkins? Yes. Wow.

And so they had more characters in the original pilot than would end up in the show because there was like a permanent lounge entertainer. There was a steward in addition to Isaac the bartender. There was Nino the steward. So they had other people that they eventually, after this first pilot, realized they didn't need all those regulars. Kind of like Richie Cunningham's brother. Exactly. They went up to the attic and disappeared. Chuck.

Yeah. Chuck. Joe Sakari, who played Nino the Stewart joke. And the dog and the Brady Bunch. Yes, Tiger. Tiger. They all went to sitcom heaven. I don't know what happened. We should make a sitcom with all of those characters.

Yes, and they're all bitter. Yes. Coco from the Golden Girls. So, but they didn't cast any of the people that we know from today. So Dick Van Patten was the doctor, and the reason why he didn't continue is basically he got eight as enough and couldn't continue. But the thing about Ted Hamilton as the captain, they learned a lesson from casting somebody who was young and sexy. as the captain. And Fred Silverman, the network president famously said, I was just talking about this the other day because I love the quote. Again, I'm going to go blue on you, Frank.

Do it. They did a screening for Fred Silverman the first time he saw the pilot movie, and he was so upset about Ted Hamilton as the captain. And Ted was there at the screening, and Fred just let them have it. And he said, you don't understand. Where's the book I bought? They're all supposed to want to be fucking each other. And instead, they're just going to want to fuck the captain. So in other words, the captain was too fuckable, and that took away from the show. They wanted someone more avuncular, someone who would give advice as an older man and wouldn't be the sex symbol. Makes sense. And the irony is... And also somebody to keep them in line. Keep them in line. And Gavin had that great side of it because he could be stern, but you knew he was always with a wink. It was always with love. And that's hard to do. And they're so lucky they got Gavin.

Plus, he was already a sitcom TV icon. And that's how they got him. I mean, the second time they did a movie, they had this actor named Quinn Redeker, who is also a screenwriter. And Quinn says himself he wasn't comfortable with the light comedy. It just wasn't working. And he also was younger and good looking at the time. Like they didn't seem to learn their lesson until the third go-round. And so few shows get a third go-round to make a pilot. So obviously ABC had faith that there's something there. And it's Aaron Spelling.

And they know with Aaron. And I mean, he had SWAT. He had, well, name them all. Charlie's Angels. And all of them. You're right. Starsky and Hutch. Yes.

So Aaron had a lot of power at the network, too. That's another reason. Yes. He was the Shonda Rimes of the time. Exactly. Exactly. And so when they had the third chance, they were told by ABC, you can go to pilot a third time and you'll get on the air if you can get somebody from the Mary Tyler Moore show as the captain. Well, that was easy math because back in the day, they were too sexist to have picked a woman to be the captain. So it had to be one of the men. Ted Knight already was committed to something. And Ed Asner was already committed to Lou Grant. So guess who was left? Gavin. And he says it that way. He says it's because of Mary Tyler Moore and that I was the only one left. But it was fate because he was perfect. Perfect. A good segue for me to play this clip. Do we have clip number one, Don? And let me set it up. In those 660 episodes or some odd number that Gilbert and I did, we had Bernie first, and then we had Gavin, and then we had Bernie call in and surprise Gavin on the show. And I have a little snippet of the conversation. not everybody knows this we did three pilots but on the third one they said what are we going to do they almost dropped the idea of having love boat Gavin McLeod comes on in the third one and that

sells it that sells it so I'm so grateful to you not just for being an alter caca but also you think it's easy to get the show on the air have a history before Love Boat? Had you... Oh, a big fan of his. We met on McHale's Navy. But I mean, we are both veteran actors. I go back all the way.

I become a professional in 1961, if you can believe that. And Gavin has been doing this for years and years and years. And we used to sit in the makeup room, 7.15 in the morning. Look at each other, smile, and say, we got a job. That's right. Some of the best scenes. Some of the best scenes ever are the scenes with the two of us.

The two alter caucus talking about life and our situations and so forth. I know. Those were some of the nicest scenes to play without holding our hair pieces down. Thank you, Don. Isn't that a sweet little moment? Yes. So it's so good to hear his voice. toward both of them.

It's time for another installment of, well, that was fun. This week, the not-so-little train that couldn't. Back in 1977, the Love Boat set sail on TVs all across America. The show ran for decades. It made ABC a wait for it. A boatload of money. So naturally, someone at Last Place Network NBC took one look at that smash and said, hey, let's do the same thing, but on a train, not just a train, a super train.

Conceived by legendary executive Fred Silverman, 1979's super train, was a rail-based take on the loveboat. Guest stars like Zsa Gabor and Vic Tabac would climb aboard a nuclear-powered luxury train barreling from New York to L.A. at 250 miles an hour. And along the way, they'd have affairs, they'd chase villains. Maybe they'd just work through some midlife malaise. Lasting only nine episodes, audiences were treated to Paul Sand falling for a princess with assassins hot on her trail, or Joyce DeWitt as a bohemian heiress being menaced by her vengeful nanny. What? It happens. And in perhaps the show's most meta moment, the loveboats Bernie Coppell guest starred as a traveling gynecologist, because nothing says sexy trained

adventure like a complimentary pelvic exam at 250 miles an hour. Now, at the time, it was the most expensive TV series ever produced, three massive train sets, one of which spectacularly crashed before the premiere, set NBC back $10 million, but then Super Train had it all, a disco car, a swimming pool, a gym, and a spa. Unfortunately, what it didn't have was viewers. The critics were merciless, too. One reviewer called it the love boat without the love or the boat. NBC's expensive express quickly plunged into a Nielsen's rating gorge and was canceled just three months later. and even now, industry insiders still blame Super Train for NBC's decades-long ratings nosedive and near bankruptcy, which is impressive considering they also had Hello Larry on the schedule.

Well, that was fun. I got a couple of questions here, too, from listeners, and Murray mentioned the two-parters that used to open the season. This is from Tim Dunleavy. I'll throw this out to you guys. The two-hour Australia episode with Julie getting jilted at the altar? Jim's nodding. the letter from her fiance, explaining why he jilted her, happens to be a series high point for me. What is a series high point for you? I think he means narratively, not your personal experience. Right. Well, let's see. Season high point. I mean, obviously it's when I become

irregular, then that's a season high point for the character, because then she's there. But, you know, I think, gosh, there's one episode, where Vicky is dealing with a guest passenger who's got her taking drugs. Glenn Scarpelli. Glenn Scarpelli, my dear friend. I just watched that one. Oh, you did. I just saw Glenn in Sedona, Arizona, where he lives,

and he and I are still to this day super, super close. I think that was a really good one because I think it really showed a little more to Vicky then just oh I live on a ship and I'm just his daughter and here she is with some big issues and how she dealt with them and I think for her character that was a good not high point but well literally a high point yeah great answer but yeah Murray same question is there a moment in the show where you think this is this is as good as this show gets this is a pinnacle for you I mean, every episode seems to be a pinnacle. And it's because, I mean, I am such a fan, but, you know, the live shows, the live episode, well, they weren't live, but the ones that were on location.

Those were my favorite, personally. Yeah, they both were just so over the top, too. Yeah. And those are incredible, but then, you know, the ones were that the musicals were incredible. So I don't know if there's a pinnacle, but I don't know. I think Buddy Hackett being on there. You like the old comics, seeing Uncle Miltie and Buddy Hackett. Yeah, those old Catskill, Borschbilt comedians, red buttons, the episode with red buttons.

I mean, you know, I live for that stuff. So I think seeing those guys also get a chance to, because they were so broad too and how they did their comedy. Like, none of them got to do scripted shows like this. So it was great to see. In fact, the one we were watching this morning, Milton Burles an asshole. And his son is... I think that's the name of the episode.

Is that one when he's the IRS guy? No, you're talking about the one where he's a prankster and he woops out and he's driving his wife away. No, this one, and we were just watching it this morning. Yeah, yeah. This one is his son is Mr. Moneybags and he's not working enough. Yes, yet another. The fun never stops, but occasionally we pause for a word from our sponsor. Hey, everybody, Frank here.

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No question. I just want to tell Murray how much I absolutely love his performance on somebody somewhere and wish the show was not ending. Well, you know, after, Jill, we had, let's see, six, seven times. We had 21 episodes over three seasons over six years. So that tells you the industry change. So I wish we had 85 seasons with 350 episodes. and then I wouldn't be calling you from my rent-controlled apartment in Brooklyn.

So tell them, thanks for watching and keep hitting play. Murray, you're a fast riser. You're not going to be in that apartment for very long. Matthew Grobe writes, which guest star was the most fun to work with, and why was it Charo? Well, she was a lot of fun to work with and is also still a really good friend. And we are actually... You talk to Charo.

I do. I love that. I do. We talk all the time. And she actually, she is such a sweet, generous soul. She bought my son a guitar and said she would teach him to play guitar. And if you don't understand, she is the number three flamenco guitarist in the world to this day. She practices four hours a day.

And we're going to see her actually in November. We're doing a love boat reunion cruise and Charo is going to be there. I love it. Didn't Charo do, outside of Marion? Ross did the most episodes, Jim? You know, it depends upon if you count two-parters as one or two and different characters because Florence Anderson's up there, Charo.

There's a lot of Charo. And Marion was a regular. Actually, I know who the person is who did the most in. It's none of the three. Really? No. You're breaking news. It's Juliet Mills.

It's Juliet Mills. Letting you know. Okay. You're going to have to do an edit. I'm going to have to do an edit. No, it's Juliette Mills. I have to say about Charo. Go ahead, Murray.

Yeah, go ahead, Murray. Well, you know, because I watch them close to each other and often binge several episodes, you know, so it's hard to tell, like, the space in between when Charo was on or not. But so watching everything at once, and it really seemed to me, at least from watching, is that every time Charo was on, everybody just lit up. Like, every scene, like, you can't. help but not. You can't help but not. And if she is that person, she is one of those performers who brings out the best in everybody else. Is it just an energy thing? Yes, but she's also, what you see is what you get with her. She is, I mean, listen, we've had, she's had dinner at my house. She's had me over and made paella for me in her paella, um, I don't know what you'd

call it, a barbecue. It's in the backyard. Her father built it in Beverly Hills. And Like, she's just the most lovely, effusive, full of energy human being ever. She just is, and she's passionate about everything she does. You've got to do another one-woman show, Jill. I've never met anybody that had Charo make paella for them. Oh, my God. What were you starting to say when we went to Murray? I was going to say it reminds me that I am overdue in about seven years in delivering Jill a message from Charo.

First of all, I interviewed Charo by phone for the book. For the book. I had to, I was at a critics conference. I had to borrow a friend's hotel room to have peace and quiet. I put Charo on speakerphone. I am understanding maybe every 10th word she says. I'm hoping the recorder gets it. I realized that she did go off on some tangents about, you know,

Andretha Govian, a little monkey dressed in a tachito. You know, I was, okay, like I did get some of it. But my friend whose room it was comes in in the middle of it and just bursts out laughing because she's like, how are you ever going to transcribe this? It took me four tries. I think I got it. but at one point she said and this is before Gavin passed

this was you know seven years ago or so she said if you're going to talk to Jill tell Jill I want to do a reunion on Charo's beach not beach like beach beach like beach that's my girl so she wanted you all to reunite

on Charo's beach but not beach like beach yes I know I'd she yep yep yep she has she has spoken about that okay good I feel remiss that I never delivered that message not a problem Well, here's a question from Chris Kosolese.

I hope I'm saying your name right. Chris, how did cast members, we'll direct this to Jill. How did cast members enjoy some of the more absurd plot lines like playing double roles go from being kidnapped? We just talked about that. Doc and Captain Stubing playing dual roles and especially crazy was Bernie Coppell's Inspector Cluzo character. And the bizarre, the all-time bizarre idea of Tully Saval is programming. I miss this one. An Isaac Robot?

Oh, that's one of the best moments ever. To steal a race horse. How did I miss that one? Yeah, shame on me. Oh, well, the simple answer is it's a little thing called a paycheck. I mean, we had Fonzie jumped the shark, hence the name for that. You know, look, we're all on a cruise ship and so many things happened on a cruise ship, you know. It was a paycheck and we were all for it.

Makes sense. The perfect answer. Tell me about some of the adventures that you had chasing down people for the book. Oh, it's one of the, with the old podcast, I used to say I could do a podcast about booking that podcast. Yes. And I'm sure you could write a book about chasing down celebrities to talk about the love boat. It's always crazy because I'm in a disadvantage writing a book because the traditional way to book talent for an interview is you go through their agent or their manager or their publicist. The problem is for a book, there's no money in it for anybody.

and so the agent and manager and often publicists just swat you away like I'm not even going to bother my client with that and then you have to get creative because if there's somebody you really need to get in touch with

you can't write the book without them and so you hope that a friend can give you their personal email or whatever and that they're not going to get mad at you if you email them personally and so there's always that and then sometimes just weird stuff happens that way I mean I remember Jack Jones

bless his memory was a little odd with me when I had Jack sued him he was odd with us he was up there and age and I actually looked up on the IMDB pro who his PR rep was and I emailed the man and I didn't hear back. And then I started realizing later, I never heard back about Jack Jones. I should check back. And when I looked at the original email, I said, oh, isn't that funny? It was one

year ago today that I first sent that email. I'll send it again and say, oh, look, a year has gone by exactly. I sent it to the PR rep again. And this time he writes me right back and says, I think I can get Jack to call you, no problem. A couple days later, I must have missed the call. I have an unknown caller and I listen to the voicemail and it's Jack and he's pissed because he's saying this man named Sandy keeps calling me and telling me I have to call you I don't know who that is but he's listed as your publicist on the IMDB like I don't get mad at me and and then he said I'm at the doctor right now because I have to have well I'm not gonna I don't know what explanation are you I don't have to explain myself I'll call it another time and that hangs up and I was like okay

Jack John's called to have an argument with himself on my voicemail so you know you get you get interesting moments. Was that the most? Oh, no. There are stories you can't tell. There are stories I shouldn't tell because I wouldn't embarrass anybody. But yes, there are crazier. By the way, I just wanted to point out, not to keep talking about my previous show,

but we had 42 guests on the show that did The Love Boat. Oh, wow. Including have a list. Michelle Lee, Bill Macy, Adam, West, Jessica, Walter, Jamie Farr, Marion Ross, John Davidson, and John Aston, just to name a few, including Charlie Fox. and Paul Williams and Jack Jones and Jamie and Gavin and Bernie. So we were very loveboat friendly.

You are your loveboat-centric. Murray, did you like those wackier episodes we were talking about? Like I just mentioned John Aston. I discovered one and this one made me so happy because it's so bizarre. You know which one I'm talking about. And I think Murray might have mentioned that one too when you said a two-part of that started the season. This is the started season two. They go to the island and they think it's uninhabited.

And John Aston is like a unabomber. That one was over the top. Completely over the top. You're not wrong. Jill, the episode when you wanted to be a model, that one I was dying. Yeah, you and I both, honey. Just like the footage of you, like, in, what were you in like a park or a vista or something? You just kept doing these like, oh, I was dying.

I was dying doing them. No. Was that, wait, was that the one with Linda Evans? Linda Evans, yes. Okay, yeah. Okay. Yeah, we were in Greece. That was outrageous.

Yeah. You're right. That was outrageous. And the twins, of course, with Gopher, played two different characters was, there's many times I said, what's going on right now? Those are the episodes I love the best. I'm like, wait, what is happening right now? Yeah. Yeah.

There's one, two I watch with Larry Storch and Harold Gould from Rhoda are trying to steal. And Karen Valentine and John Shuck. And Karen Valentine, they're a bunch of bungling crooks. Yes. And I know John a little bit because he did the old show. Larry we knew as well. And they're trying to steal, is it, is it Michelle Lee? Michelle Lee's necklace from her

and Fernando Lamos. Steal a necklace. Fernando Lomas. Yeah, just, just, and just wonderful. You know, and you've said, you know, some people talk about the show with, you know, and make it a punchline. And, and, you know, I know you guys had your tongues in your cheek for a lot of these episodes.

You were, you were having fun. We were having fun. With the conventions of television and the idea of doubles and lookalikes and kidnappings. Well, I mean, we didn't write them. just, you know, we did what they told us to do. And it was, you know, we're not inventing brain surgery here. We're trying to create an opportunity for people to escape for an hour. That's what I mean. And even when you're watching something that is completely ridiculous, you're absolutely sucked into it. Oh, of course. And here we have reality television. So there you

have it. It's not that far off. That's a good point. Yeah. I remember Lauren Tweed saying to me, and I know that you all have the sense of humor about your characters, when I would say, well, why would Julie show up at Jack Shano's house in Alaska, having not talked to him for a year and just throw herself at him? And she's like, because she's not very smart, Jim. It's a television show. Julie was not very smart. And I was like, okay, you know what?

You got a good attitude about this. Yes. She never got the guy. No. She never got the guy. Never. And because she was always getting screwed. Yeah.

Why does Merrill Stubing suddenly know how to sing and dance? Yes. What is he just trying? I mean, honestly, seriously. Well, I mean, Gavin, yes. Well, no, I know, but I'm with you. I'm like, that's the captain of the ship. He suddenly Tommy Toon.

I know. You know, just because the episode demands it. You guys feel like to take- Look, they did that on Ted Lassow. Right. They did. And she all of a sudden had this voice of the West End in Broadway, so see. Yeah, go with it.

Suspension of disbelief. That's it. You guys feel like tackling a little quick quiz? Love boat experts. This is absurd. This is something I came up with called. Is this quote, Captain Stubing, Captain Kirk, or Captain Crunch? Love it. Love it. So I'm going to go to each one of you quickly. There's only eight of them. First quote, the greatest danger facing us is ourselves, the irrational fear of the unknown. Jim, that sounds like Kirk. Murray? That sounds like Stubing. I think that's Kirk. It's Captain Kirk. Damn it. Two good points. Question two. I've never tried swimming with

my arms tied. Jim? Stubing. Murray. Stubing. Captain Crunch. Captain Crunch. I wonder. I'm five, Jill. Nice work. Right. Or Cap'n Crunch. Cap'n. Okay. As usual, doctor, your diagnosis is faultless. I only wish the prescription weren't so hard to fill.

Kirk. Oh. He says, Kirk. Murray. Stubing. That's a stooping to me. You bet. It's your first episode. He goes to Doc Bricker for advice. He's fallen in love with this little girl. About Vicki.

It was the doctor that fooled me, but yes, I can see it. That's why I put it in there. So you'd think I was talking about bones. Yes, exactly. Number four, all right, crew, light the campfire and get the marshmallows. It's sing a long time. Jimbo? Okay, well, that one does not sound like Kirk.

I'm going to say that's Captain Crunch. Murray. Stubin. I'm going to say it's Captain Crunch. Both right. Murray's just going to say stooping for every answer. Stooping. Murray will not be deterred. Quote five, don't let them promote you, don't let them transfer you, don't let them do

anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship because while you're there, you can make a difference. I'm going to say stooping on that one. He's going for stooping. Murray. Stubing, I think I remember the actual scene. Murray's all in. He remembers the episode.

I'm going to say stooping and I'm sure it's not Captain Crunch. It's Captain Kirk From one of the Star Trek movies These are trick questions I don't know for you. Oh, I didn't realize we were bringing the movies in. Yeah. You're right, Jill.

I call unfair. All right, two more. I'm not going to my death like a spineless jellyfish. Stubing. He's right. It's stooping. It's in the episode, I know I didn't go to you guys.

It's in the episode where Isaac thinks that the couple Peter Lawford that the mystery writers were trying to bump off Captain Stobert Yes, yes, yes Nice Okay, this one is tough

You can't get away with the crunch Because the crunch always gives you away Oh That sounds like Captain Stooping to me, doesn't it? Captain Kirk for sure Oh, yeah, Captain Kirk Captain Crutch Very good

Murray has finally He is finally deviated Yes, he's been He's been doubling down on stubing And last one, I believe there's a time for everything. Some things are not for us to decide. I know that when I just showed that clip.

Very good. That's my daddy. We showed that clip on the last love boat reunion. Oh, you did? Yeah. When the clips actually worked. Jim, you said that you were talking about how the show existed in a perfect point in time that you've referred to it as a great time capsule. But we're also, and we're talking about these old, these wonderful old great stars, but also stars that were on the rise, people that were coming along, like.

Tim Robbins, like Tom Hanks, Courtney Cox, Courtney Cox, Kathy Bates, sure, Billy Crystal, I mean, so big, big list. It's, it's rare that way. First of all, it's probably the only show to ever have this many classic stars. It's a thousand, a thousand guests. Over a thousand. Over a thousand. So it's unique in that way, but also I can't think of a lot of shows, and we're both

students of television, where you had this tremendous crossover. Yeah, and it's really, and they didn't know they were doing this at the time, is only hindsight that we know this, but the 70s and 80s were decades when it was still possible for the greats of the 20s and 30s to be alive and able to work. And then some of the people we know today were just getting started. And so what other time could there be where those generations were crossing like ships in the night? It's pretty amazing. And also, you know, today we, even for the newer ones coming up, you know, we didn't have the access to VCRs and things like we did, which happened in the beginning of Lovebo, where you could find younger people

would know who these older people were. You'd have to wait and see if maybe it would show up on, you know, nine o'clock on some silly network somewhere in the middle of the night or whatever, you know, where now you have access to everything. Yeah. But, I mean, the crossroads is how you got to dance with Ginger Rogers or Ray Bulger or all these people that, you know, as a child, they were just hanging on when you were a kid and that you had such an amazing

amazing we talked about Carol and you know what gang I always said there's adult you go ahead Frankie you got this you know go ahead buddy

you know I think something that I also find special about the show that it's also a time capsule stuff that it holds up from a political sense you know there's a little feminist stuff in there

they're like ooh but you know it does change over that you can tell when it starts to change in the late 80s but I just want to say this and I have to mention it because and Joe the character that I played on somebody somewhere is a trans man and you know here we are what in the 2000s you know 20s that the way that character was played was kind of you know still kind of the first to be played like

that so I don't know what year it was when McKenzie Phillips played the trans character but But watching back to that, I got to say, I was like, oh, God, this is going to be cringe. This is going to be cringe. And when we watched it, it wasn't. And she was treated as, like, it just, it wasn't exploited. It wasn't something to fear. It was like, okay, gopher, I'm different now. You know, and it was such a beautiful episode to watch now.

And I was moved by it. But think of how impactful that was. What year did you say around? I think that was 80... Early 80s? It wasn't too late in the run. One. Yeah, it couldn't have been much later than that.

Yeah, and it was, it's funny, we were just talking about this episode today. And it, this was the first time it had ever been done. Oh, wow. As a trans character, I'm not talking about Milton Burrell and drag, but as a trans character, this was the first time it had ever been done. And it was done in those, a very different time. Yes. In a very respectful way.

And flash forward to today, and nobody's respectful about anything. Right. Well, yeah. So, you know, so it's a time capsule for that, but it's also what I think, you know, maybe it was Aaron, I don't know, he really had an appreciation for these actors' humanity. I think that's very true. I think that's very true. And that's what I like about it.

You know, it's just, it's an innocent show in a way in that, in that sense. You're right. didn't feel, I mean, when I would look back on it as a child, I always used to think, oh, it was so spicy. And now I look back at it and was like, oh, God, it was just, it's just cute. It was always a happy ending. And it really was so innocent. So you're talking about breakthrough characters or breakthrough plot lines. The Roy Thinness storyline is also, I always think of that one. Trailblazing. Yeah. And even though it didn't ever use the words gay or homosexual, didn't ever say any of the words, but we knew what it was.

It was a segment called Frat Brothers Forever toward the end of the show, and Doc's fraternity brother comes on board with his quote-unquote cousin, a young good-looking guy, who is, of course, not his cousin, but his lover. The fraternity brother was recently divorced. And Bernie's character, Doc finds out throughout the episode, wait a minute, that's not his cousin. And it's, again, handled sensitively. Even though it's handled conservatively in that you can tell that they had to stick to some really strict network guidelines.

They couldn't say gay. It had to probably go over the head of the average eight-year-old. old kid. We couldn't be explicit. But Bernie has a speech where, you know, you're my fraternity brother. It doesn't matter to me. I love you no matter what. And that's all that you needed to say. Yeah. It was really groundbreaking in its way. It is groundbreaking and ahead of its time. Jill, I have to ask you about airplane. We had Robert Hayes and Julie on the, on David Zucker, on the old show. And you're so, you had to audition for Howard Koch. I did. By making a face. I did. By making the face of a child in distress.

That was it. He said, just make a face. He didn't even say of a child in distress. He just said, make a funny face. And that's the face I made. You're so funny in that scene. Oh, my God. It's such a classic. It's such a classic moment. It's such an iconic movie. It was so fun. Any memories at all about Leslie Nielsen? Well, I worked with Leslie a couple of times, so I have lots of memories about Leslie. And he was, I'm sure anybody who knows him knows how much he loves bathroom humor and how much he loves farts. It was everywhere. And we were promoting airplane and we were in Canada and we were getting in an elevator. And we got in on the sixth floor and the elevator went up to the, or we got in on the eighth floor and the elevator was going down to the lobby. On the seventh floor, this entire congregation of Japanese tourists with their cameras and everything that you would think of stereotypically get into the elevator with us.

and he looks at me, he gives me a shit-eating grin, and he lets the fart machine in his hand go, they all got out on the sixth floor. Every single one of them. Good story. Yeah, he's amazing. Murray, did you take your name from... Murray Slaughter?

Murray Slaughter. By the way, quickly, a little airplane trivia, in that scene is Joyce Boulophant, another Gavin McLeod connection. Yes, that's right. That's right. She played his wife on... On the Mary Town of Moore show, a little two degrees of Gavin McLeod.

Murray, did you take your stage name from Benny Hill? Well, you know, it wasn't so direct. There's a lot of factors that unconsciously were at work. And, you know, I kind of do look like Benny Hill. I don't see it. Okay, he took his glasses off. Remember he used to do this? Sure.

Yeah. some people have asked me if he was my father and depending on what mood I'm in I say well yes he was but I used to watch you know that was not a appropriate show that's for sure no it was not and that show does not hold up either but I used to watch that and you know I used to sneak watch it as a kid and you know I was influenced by that kind of humor and three's company so Benny's not my real father, but he could be. If you are influenced by Benny Hill

and Three's company, you have no shot in life. You know what? Many TV executives have told me that. Get in line, sister, brother. Yeah, and here I am doing a podcast, so we're both through. Welcome to my life. Well, we're doing it together.

I don't think we're getting paid for today, Joe. Oh, you never know, Murray. Shelly, you want to say, or maybe Jim has something about this in the book, and I stumbled into this, the exhibitionism of Shelly Winters? As long as he's wearing a cap, that's at. Yeah, well, she really had no problem being naked. She would be in the makeup room when we were on the ship. For some reason, we were in some room.

I still don't understand why we're in this room. It was a makeshift makeup room, and there was a bathtub in there. It wasn't a cabin. I don't understand why there was a bathtub in whatever this room was unless it was the room that they would wash animals in. I don't know why there would be a bath. And there's no animals on the ship, so really it's a quandary. So this is our takeaway today. Both Carol Channing and Shelley and Shelley liked to like to.

She got to the bathtub butt naked in the makeup room. Oh, yes. And it was not an unpleasurable experience for them. those of us who were not partaking in the bath? Yeah. It was not... I got the sense, too, I watched an interview with Bernie

that he wasn't enamored of Shelly Winters' onset antics. Well, yeah, she was... She was something. She was a caution. Yeah. Interesting stuntcasting, too, that they put her with Ernest Borgna. Oh, my God, they fought all the time.

I have to tell you that, that episode, that Italy episode, I had so many Shelley Winter's stories that people told me that I had to cut down on them. and I also had to tone them down because I didn't want it to be like a Shelly-bashing chapter. You tell us one? Oh, my God. There are so many.

I mean, she threw a tantrum on the airplane on the way there. There were a whole bunch of them. My favorite one, and this is actually just a cheese, the punchline of another story. Jill, I wonder if you remember this dinner and can tell us about it. You all were taken to a restaurant. I think it was like over the border into Monaco from France. Yes. And it was like a Greek restaurant, but the tradition was to break all the furniture.

That was a Greek tradition. Le Pirat was the name of the restaurant. Okay. See, I'm glad you even remember that. Prince Albert was there. Yes, exactly. Prince Albert was there. And at the end of the night, everybody was toasted and swinging, literally swinging from the trees at the restaurant. It had pirate rigging.

Yep, swinging from it and breaking the dishes and breaking the furniture, whatever. And including Prince Albert was there. And that's when the restaurant said, nope, we've got to go. Yeah, wow. And one of the people who was there, the punchline of this chapter, is, he said, I was half conscious lying on the ground, but the last thing I remember watching was the sight of Shelley Winters riding by on a donkey. Listen, and now you question the loveboat episodes?

I mean, this stuff happens. Jill, this is for my old list, the listeners of my old show. Any specific memories of Pat McCormick, Billy Barty, Forrest Tucker, or Caesar Romero? Oh, well, I loved Caesar Romero. really have any particular memory of them. I wish I could not disappoint you, but I

was running one day on San Vicente in Brentwood and Caesar was out watering his lawn with his hose and I stopped and said hello. That's all I've got. No, he wasn't eating any oranges or holding any oranges. No. I'll explain what that means to you when we get off Mike.

Okay. He had an orange tree, which might be where he got his fodder. I don't know. These are great names too. These are iconic names. Mickey Rooney, we talked about Uncle Miltie. Lana Turner, Debbie Reynolds. I know you dance with Ginger.

Yes. Ava Marie Saint. Gene Kelly. Any individual anecdotes or anything stand out? Well, I mean. Olivia to Havelin, I know you were fond of. Very fond of. Debbie was crazier than a march hair.

She got drunk and performed improvisationally one day on one of our ships and climbed out of a piano. At least she wasn't riding a mule. Well, she told the dirtiest, dirtiest joke which is so inappropriate on stage that it was just, it was... Bless her heart.

Bless her heart, yeah. Did Uncle Miltie behave himself in your presence? Did Mickey Rooney behave himself? Yeah, no, Mickey Rooney just bitched about being a child actor and how horribly he was treated by the studio system. That's what he did, to me. How about Vincent Price? Classy, class act.

Never heard an unkind word about the man. Lauren Tuis told me he was her favorite guest star. Yep, yep. And he was a wonderful cook. How about that? Yeah. Jim, as we rap, I want to play something. I don't want to see either of you rap.

He's quick. white guys at the end of their lives? I don't want to see it. We've prepared our loveboat rap on love, exciting, and new. Jim's, Jim wraps under the name Italian Ice. Put that rim shot in. Where's that Don? Don, Billion, God.

Let's play clip to Don, for these nice people. I'm going to set this up. This is when we had Jack Jones on the old show, which I hosted with the late great Gilbert Godfried. Yes. And this is Gilbert asking Jack, if they can. can perform the Love Boat theme together. Is there any way the two of us can try to sing Love Boat together?

There must be. You ready? Yes. Love Exciting and you. That's you. I'm sorry. Here it is. Love exciting and new.

Come aboard. We're expecting you. love life's sweetest reward let it flow it floats back to you the love boat soon we'll be making another run you just changed keys you just changed keys i like it better sent a course for adventure your mind on a new romance and love poor won't hurt anymore He bless the foghorn. It's an open smile on a friendly shore. It's love.

Sure. Welcome aboard. It's love. And you go of. The love boat promises something for everyone. Oh, he's just going on. This is the extended version. It's over.

It's over. not for me it's not there you go oh my word as I said we were very we got the best out of Jack finally but you did we chased him

we chased him around a long time and we loved Gavin there was just such a sweetness and a you know a genuine quality to the man yes yes he was

he just said to Ted Lange today I just said yeah I loved him and then I went no I love him. I love him. Because of all the situations

as a child star and you're vulnerable you could have found yourself in. You could have found yourself on an unfriendly set. Yeah. Look at the Nickelodeon documentary of all the things

those kids would have. I could have, but instead I hit the jackpot. You hit the jackpot because Spelling and Gavin and all of these people, you know. Bernie and Ted and Fred and Lauren. And you're friends with them today

and that's very much so. We're doing a play. That's nice. Tell us about it. We're doing a play here that Ted Lange wrote Ted is a prolific playwright. He's written, God, I don't know, 27 plays, I think. And this one is called Lady Patriot. And we are doing it at Theater Row. We start previews on September 6th. We open on September 9th. And it's a showcase. We run through September 20th. And we hope everybody will come. It's an incredible play that is based on a true story about a woman named Mary Bowser, who was a slave, who was freed by her owner, a woman who was a an aristocrat named Elizabeth Van Lue, who freed her and sent her to

Philadelphia to get her educated. Wow. And then asked her to come back and pretend to be a slave in the home of Jefferson Davis, who was the president for the South. And she did. And she and Elizabeth Van Lue, this woman, Mary Bouser, the freed slave, and Mary Bowser and Elizabeth Van Lue, were very instrumental in helping bring secrets back and being spies to help win the war.

Wow. And so that's the play. I love that. Yeah. And it's a phenomenal story. And it runs, excuse me, it runs to September 20th here in the city. Here in the city. Are there plans to take it elsewhere at some point?

We'll see what happens. I'll see what Mr. Lange plans on doing with it. Let's get the plugs in. Murray, what's coming up? I see you made a Christmas movie with Schwarzenegger, or it's already in the can? Oh, man, that was hilarious. Do tell. Real quick.

this won't get me in trouble i don't think but uh i did a they added a scene with me uh and him arnold at the end of the night it was like you know 15th hour and arnold was on his like 30th take of um you know santa claus is coming to town showbiz and anyway adam was like okay arnold you and murray are going to walk out this door and then he's going to say something and then you improv back and arnold it says who he and Adam goes Murray he's going to walk out the door

it's going to say something to you and you're going to say something back who he Murray he he's playing Bill she she no Arnold no no no he's he he's going to all this stuff

and then we go back into our places, and Arnold looks at me, and he goes, I think I understand now. And then literally, before I even reacted, they went, action. And then me and Arnold, they're running arms around each other, fake laughing, having a great time. Like, we just walked out of the bar. And I'm going to tell you, in all my years, I'd never thought I'd be doing a scene with Arnold Schwarzenegger. This is show business great. It's brutal, but I love it.

Yeah, it is brutal. By the way, I have to tell you, announce this is new. This is a big scoop. Sure. We have a official loveboat podcast coming out. Uh-oh. I better get this one out quick. Yes, with Fred Grandy, Ted Lange, and I are hosting.

Wonderful. I love it. We are interviewing all of the old stars, and we're being sponsored by Princess Cruises. That's wonderful. Oh, so a paycheck. Yes. And when does this? happened? I, I, we're just, uh, it probably October. Our producer, Andrew is going to snap some

pictures. Do not be, do not be psyched out. I won't be. He's not contagious anymore. What else, what else are you doing with Princess? Well, I'm their celebrations ambassador. I'm a brand ambassador for them. So that's been a wonderful, incredible relationship that's been for gosh, almost 10 years, almost. Okay. So I work for them and I get to talk about the joys of cruising and different ways to Jim can tell you about the joys of cruising, too. But he likes to do it in the woods. Yes. No, mine is on the ocean.

It's the only place we do. We limit ourselves to the ocean. That's smart. That's it. Yeah, you know, at some point. Yeah. Murray, so people can see you. By the way, my wife and I enjoyed you in Ellsbeth.

Thank you. Yes. And somebody somewhere is a show that people really need to find. And your work on that show is beautiful. thank you and yeah i'm working on um it's it's uh it was due two labor days ago but i'm working on my memoir oh and two i got two weeks now otherwise they're going to take the they're going to say i owe money so that's coming out in the spring and i'm doing my christmas this is a big scoop for you i'm doing my christmas show at lincoln center this year oh when when can we get tickets

now i've got to see jill's show and murray show yeah Once Jill and I get the paycheck for tonight, we'll put your to look. I appreciate that. It's very sweet of you. Jim, besides the book, what's coming up? Yeah, Love Boat Forever, please. Well, I'm working on another book about a movie that I've never written about a movie before, but it's going to be very exciting.

I'll talk about that when it's further along. But I also am doing, I've done a couple of documentaries in the can, including one about the Love Boat. That's going to come out this fall. This is a lot of Love Boat content, folks. When's the book coming out, Jim? You know, I wish I knew Murray. Yeah, I will be breaking that news. I hope soon because I'm going to be working with my agent on that this fall.

And a book about Carol Channing and Ethel Merman and Ethel Merman and the exhibition. That's the new Ryan Murphy feud. The exhibitionism of Shelly Winters. My word. West's question for you guys before we jump out of here. And thank you again for making the time for this. This was a kick for me. and I loved an excuse to go back and watch these wonderful loveboat episodes.

Jill, and first of all, congratulations. I mean, you've been a part of something that has brought joy to so many people. Thank you. What do people say to you when they come up to you? What do they mostly have to say about the show? What kind of questions to you? It's funny. Is it a thanks mostly?

Yeah. It's really lovely, actually. They come up, and a lot of times they're in tears, which I know seems odd. But they say this was the one show that they could watch. with their grandparents and with their parents and that they would each come away with something different and they were both as entertained as the other was. And so for them, what this show represented for them

was family and time spent together. So, I mean, that little silly show that we did actually left a really beautiful impression on people and makes them think of their own family, which is lovely. That's nice. What a nice thing. that you got to share the screen of all of these icons. Yeah. Incredible.

The memories, I'm sure you'll never forget. But not every young actor would be as appreciative as you clearly were and are. And that's what so impressed me about you in the moment I met you that you cared about this because a lot of young actors wouldn't have known who these people were and still wouldn't because they wouldn't have bothered to go back and find out. You obviously, this is coming from love. Yeah. No, I mean, an appreciation and gratefulness for a job and working with people.

and I love people. So, you know, it's important. Congratulations. It's a nice thing in this career to be part of something that endures. Well, thank you. And congratulations to you, bringing this back.

Well, listen, this is a podcast you can't listen to with your grandparents. And mostly because of the things I said. Sorry to disappoint. Murray, you're still watching them? Are you still binge watching? I mean, is it as pleasurable now

as it was when you first found it? And isn't it great to find a show in your childhood that stays with you all these years? You know, I see it differently now. Sure. But, you know, you see the camp now. Yeah. It's still a, I mean, as I said, I watch it every night because, you know, it's either

I watch the news or I watch the love book. That's the, those, my therapist is always like, you always have a choice. Well, I think they're both fiction. Exactly. Yeah. But, you know, I will say that I'm working on a scripted show, and it's a, it's a detective show where I played a private investigator at Palm Springs. And I just had a meeting with big people last week.

And I mentioned about five times the tone of this show. I wanted to be like the love boat. How about that? And I want to have guest stars from the old days, the new, you know, so it lives with me in my career. What I want to do, what I kind of what I bring to the table, which is feel good, and then some issues. the second thing. So, you know, it's with

it's with me when I'm watching it and when I'm not watching it. Well, when your character needs a partner, let me know. I just was going to pitch that. I was going to say, Robert Eurek didn't get to marry her, but maybe you can. You can marry Vicki. You're in. Okay. I love it. Who's your agent? Nick and Nora Charles kind of a thing.

Oh, my God. You know, she's my favorite. Self-crime is the best. Yeah, I love those movies. Jim, last question is you, buddy. You're the one that has kicked all this off. Why? Maybe it's an obvious. question and maybe we covered it, but I'm going to ask you again, why does this show endure for decades? Yeah, it's, I think, a combination of nostalgia. I think that's what brings us

back to check it out again as adults. But then once you put it on as adults, I think you have a new appreciation for it that comes from the maturity of realizing, oh my God, these are people at the top of their game doing something that is meant to just, to make us happy, to bring love to the world, to bring us to exotic locations that we might not be able to afford to see on our own. And just kind of the love and the good intentions just flow through you when you watch it again as an adult. And that coupled with remembering that feeling as a little kid, there's not a lot of shows that can say that they do that for you. For sure. For sure. Yeah. That kind of sums it up. I love it. Get your book out before Murray beats you to you. I know.

Murray's going to beat you to the bookstores. If I beat you to the bookstores, that means you've failed miserably. I mean, I'm going to actually be my character's age by the time my fucking book comes out. And other snappy retorts. Oh, quickly tell the Ricky Martin story because that's a sweet, that's a little, that's a sweet story. Oh, yeah. So. Ricky Martin, you slept with him?

Yeah, you know what? The singer? Are you, uh, are you the new, you're the new Gilbert Gottfried, all the gay jokes. You're providing all the gay jokes. Godfrey. You were providing all the gay jokes in this episode. You're setting me up, Jim. I know.

I don't know anything about gay people. Okay. All I have to say is, you. You guys said this was an hour. I feel like I'm at an S seminar. I've got a P. He's got to wrap. Okay, I'm going to wrap.

So the Ricky Martin story. So you know, Ricky Martin was on the show when he was in Minuto. And it was in the latter years of the show. And it was such a funny episode because they're, Minuto, they're there with their manager, played by Stuart Granger. And Lana Turner is also on the cruise. And she has a romance with Stuart Granger. But what I find so funny that Minuto, they're all playing soccer.

And Lana Turner, who in real life was having trouble even walking, shows up in the scene. And she's like, let me show you how to. to play soccer and she kicks the ball like once awkwardly and they're like wow you know because young Latino boys need to learn how to play soccer from an old lady named like a lot like a suspension of disbelief but so I of course love this episode for so many reasons and so I needed to get Ricky Martin to do an interview and he was another one where I didn't think agents or publicists were going to put me through especially because my timing was bad and just as I was approaching was when the Versace TV series was coming out that he was on and so of course they wanted him do a lot

of press for that they're not going to give him a loveboat interview on top of that to do And so I asked a couple of times And his publicists were, you know, they were friendly But I went to a TV critics thing for this Versace show And we're all asking questions And at the end, this is before COVID We all kind of, they call it scrumming We all, everybody, all the critics just swarm the person

With recorders and throw questions out And I still didn't want to throw out a love boat question Because I thought my fellow critics are going to kill me If I take time away from their reporting And so I ask the publicist, can I drag Ricky aside At the end of this? And just have one minute with them to talk Love Boat, and they said, sure.

So, Ricky, all through this press conference, he was dressed in, like, black leather. He had the beard and, like, studs. Like, he looked like he was a motorist, a biker. He was trying to look really macho, and his answers were like, yeah, man. Like, he really was, he really was playing a part. And so I pull him aside as we're walking back, and I said to him, Ricky, they said, I could ask you this. I just want to ask you about being on the Love Boat. And he went, I got to be with Lana Turner.

And I'm clutching the pearls for those who can't see. And it was just, it was so refreshing because, you know, that was an act, what he had been doing early. But he, I mean, what I love about the Love Boat, too, Kathy Bates was this way. So many actors that I talked to were this way. And Tom Hanks brought it up at the Golden Globes on his own after seeing a clip reel of his own career. Nobody's really ashamed they did the Love Boat, even though it's known as being a silly, fluffy show. People really have an appreciation for what it meant and what it means and who they got to meet through the show.

Yes. And that Ricky Martin, now being, you know, my age, can look back and through the internet and has probably over the years discovered Lana Turner where he didn't know her back then. And he's like, holy crap. It's great. I got to work with one of the greats, and that's thanks to the love boat. Anything that makes a younger generation appreciate the generations that came before

is a good thing, which we try to do with that podcast. Jill's got a piece, so we're going to wrap. Let me thank Jill Wheeler. You have two's children and you tell me how long you can hold it. It's not a Kegel in the world. I'm going to do it number two. Do your kids watch? Have they watched?

Oh, they've seen it. They don't care. They don't care. Yeah, no. Let me thank the great Jill Whelan, the great Murray Hill, and, of course, my old friend, Jim Kalucci, Andrew Capone, Don Hoffman, and Citibox, Bobby Hutch. Frank Takerow is here. We're going to do an episode, a disco episode with Frank, and bless Gavin and bless Aaron Spelling, for giving us this fun gift. Well, thank you for having me, and I hope you come see our show.

Again, September 20th. September 6th through the 20th. Theater Row. On 44th, I believe. Do you know the theater? It's called Theater Row. It's called Theater Row. Yeah.

Lady Patriot is what it's called. Okay, and we'll look for Murray's book. And Murray and Lincoln Center, he's being very coy about. Showbiz. Thank you. It's all about going to Jill's show. Jill, I'm coming, and I'm going to pay for a ticket with the mom. I'm getting paid for it from this podcast.

All right, buddy. It's the least I can do. We'll all be there. Let's all go. Thank you guys for this. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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