Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast - GGACP Rewind: Episode #15: David Steinberg

Episode Date: February 23, 2026

Legendary comedian and Emmy-winning writer David Steinberg joins Gilbert and Frank to talk about his friendships with Jack Benny and George Burns, his 140+ appearances on Johnny Carson’s “Tonight Show," his inclusion on Richard Nixon’s infamous enemies list and the 2013 biographical Showtime documentary “Quality Balls." Also in this episode: the Smothers Brothers get hate mail, David directs Gilbert in an episode of “Mad About You” and David presents Showtime's "Inside Comedy" series. PLUS: John Candy does Doc Severinsen! David saves Tony Randall’s life! And the Mount Rushmore of Jewish comedians! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

David Steinberg, who's a comedy legend who I've known for years now, who's directed me on shows, he's an established TV director and a famous comedian. But did you know about David Steinberg? He was on President Nixon's enemies list, that he played a role in getting the Smothers Brothers kicked off CBS, at that he appeared on Johnny Carson Show over 140 times. And he was the best man at the wedding of mobster Crazy Joe Gallo. Yep, that and more when we talk to David Steinberg. Hi, this is Gilbert Godfrey's amazing colossal podcast. I'm here with my sidekick Frank Santo Padre.

And we have with us today, David Steinberg. Now, David, just like about a week ago, it seems, you were interviewing me on your show, and now I'm interviewing you on my show. So basically, we're officially talking. two old Jews in a home sitting together repeating the same old stories. That's true.

Yeah, where it's like, did I tell you my daughter lives in Jersey? You told me that? No, I didn't. Yes. I'll try not to repeat myself, but it depends on the questions.

So I'll try not to repeat myself. Now, you are the best man at a mobster's wedding. Well, a monster to you, very good friend to me. So when we're both in trouble, who do you think is in better shape? Me or you? And what was his name? Joey Gallo. Yes.

The famous, infamous, Joey Gallo. How did you meet, Joey Gallo? Well, at that time, it was the early 70s, and Joey was, I guess he, you know, not a terrible thing, but he must have killed a couple people. And he was in prison, and then he got out of prison. but at that time, a lot of the liberals in the show business. I'm telling you a lot of people like Doc Simon, Neil Simon, and Peter Stone, the writer, and Jerry Orbach, especially. Jerry Orbach, you know, the actor, who was a very good friend of mine,

and one of the most lovely people in the world. And when Joey got out, he had rehabilitated himself, and they were championing him. And they said, so I was just going about my career. I'm a very good friend of Jerry's and all these people. And Jerry Orbach said to me, we're having a brunch for Joey Gallo, and he really wants to meet you. He's like, he's a fan. He wants to meet you.

So I said, like you said, Joey Gallo? I probably said, the mobster at the time or what a killer were? The killer? I didn't go that far, but... So, so he then Jerry never let me alone. You know, he had brunches every Sunday, and there were all these famous people, whoever was in town at the time performing at St. Regis

or all these places were there. And again, Jerry's delightful. I loved him. So over and over, he asked me, and I just, you know, I didn't have a feeling about it. That was a big negative, but it wasn't like something I was rushing to do. and so he said just come this Sunday and I went that Sunday and a lot of celebrities were in the room

and we were all sitting at brunch in his townhouse in Chelsea and Jerry said you're sitting next to Joey he wants you to sit next to him and you didn't think to say no I don't want to I might have thought that but I didn't say it out loud But, you know, this is not like being invited to the rabbi's table and sitting next to him. This is a whole another kind of experience I couldn't even fathom that I was having. So I sat next to Joey, and Joey actually was charming and interesting. He looked like the actor Richard Winmark. Oh, yes.

He patterned himself. Black like me. Yeah. Yes. He started. I think he, you know, he even, he dressed like, he looked like Richard Winmark. So he's, but he wasn't a gangstery type. And then when I sat next to him, he said something to me, like in the first few minutes,

that I knew I was going to remember for the rest of my life. And he said, you know, David, in Attica, you were everybody's favorite. Yeah. What a compliment. Yeah, that's a version of Nakhis. I never expected to have. I hope he meant favorite comedian, David. Yeah.

Did they mean they had photos of you on the wall? No, they watched television. They watched the tonight show the next day. And I guess I was on a lot while they were watching you. What's that, Gilbert? What were they doing while I were watching you? I didn't ask, I didn't, you know what? I didn't ask any questions after that about me and him.

Can I make a correction? You said Richard Whitmark, and I was thinking of Richard Whitmore. Oh, James Whitmore. James Whitmore, who was in black like me? Richard Widmark threw the old lady down the stairs in the wheelchair. Yes, yes. Yes, and I think that's why Joey was so impressed with him. It's nice to have role models.

Yeah, she was in the wheelchair, and he just had, he had the courage to throw her down the stairs. Now, how many times have you guest-hosted or just on the Carson show? A lot. I did, you know, the number that they had on the computer was like 140 times, but I don't think that even had all my guest hostings. but a lot because you know what, Gilbert, I started with Johnny right away, like in the 60s, I was on with him and in New York. And then we hit it off and, you know, within like another,

I had another appearance after the first appearance. And I was still, I just come from Second City, so I did some stuff I had done at Second City. And for that time, it was very unique and original. But the second appearance, I sat down next to him and, you know, told, you know, literally a story about being in Winnipeg. And so on my, on my second appearance on the show,

I sat down next to Johnny and, you know, and I told the story, I improvised on it and all that. And he was laughing and he participated in it as well. And it was just, it was great. And after the show, he said to me, you know, for me, Johnny talking. These shows are really hard, you know, with 90 minutes at the time.

And he said, look, I'm going to start taking Mondays off. So in two weeks, do you want to host and come in and do the show? Wow. Incredible. Yeah. Incredible. And, you know, I was so young and inexperienced that I said, oh, sure, of course. Why not?

Like I expected it. And I did. I guest-hosted right away, and I think Cassius Clay was one of my first guess. Yeah, who would later on become Mohamed Ali. Absolutely. That's how long ago it was. Wow. And Cassius Clay, Muhammad Ali, you know, again, it was still the 60s, late 60s.

He was so funny, Gilbert, sharp and funny and pushing me. and teasing me and putting me down. He was just hilarious. And so I did all of them, and then I just never stopped doing them, which was the most, you know, I think of all the things I've done. Being on the tonight show is what I think of as my career, actually. You guys had such wonderful chemistry, David. I just saw an interview with Alan Zweibel, from your documentary, where he's describing

you and Johnny as having almost a kind of a father-son dynamic. Did you agree with that? Did you feel that way as well? Yeah, he identified with me because I was very, I know, it seems a little, I was very out there for, you know, the thing about like George Carlin, who was just starting to get his sort of groove going at that time, and Ritchie Pryor, we were all, and Ritchie and I were in the village, he was out to Kaffa Gogo, I was across the street, which he was just starting to do that. But I could, I could write stuff for myself that was, edgy and interesting and would alienate a certain part of the audience, but not alienate them

enough so that they could go crazy on these. So it just became, and Johnny couldn't get over that I got all these things said, and he just let me go, so it was incredible for me. And do you remember any incidents or just any guest you had that stand out? I remember David Frye was a guest that stood out because what I... The mimic, yeah. The mimic, yeah. The mimic, yeah.

The mimic. I think he was doing Lyndon Johnson, probably Nixon at the time. And so it was one of my first guest hosting. And I believe it was Peter LaSalle at the time was the executive producer. and he said, you know, and I had a lot of guests, and he said, when David Fry comes out, don't ask him anything other than just go right to Nixon. He doesn't like to chit-chat. He doesn't go right to Nixon.

So I said, okay, I'll go right to Nixon. And that's easy. You know, you'll come in. I saw the card, Nixon. So David Fry comes on, and he sits down. And I see that, says Nixon, I'm about to say it, but I say, David, so how's it going? And David looks out at the executive producer who's sitting in front. He says, how's it going?

What's how's it going? What is this? How's it going? And I didn't know what I said? I said, how's it going with Nixon? And then he went into Nixon impression and came off afterwards and took him. told Peter, I'm never going to go on with Steinberg. He asked these tough questions.

Like, how's it going? So he was a great ad libber in other words. But his impressions, I must say, were incredible. He would get the face and the look of it and all that. Best Nixon ever. See, what people forget is like, I remember seeing a page in a magazine where they were listing all the people who have ever done a Nixon imitation, like from Dan Macroy to Anthony Hopkins.

And they left out David's, you know, David Frye, who invented it. That's too bad because he was literally one of the best impressionists you've ever seen. He invent, everyone who does Nixon is imitating David Fry. Absolutely. And David Fry got the actual look of him, you know, with the eyes. Oh, my God, yes. That was, yeah, he was the best at it, actually.

And he invented the William Buckley imitation. Yeah. That was another great one. Yeah, all that stuff. Absolutely. Now, you used to hang out when they were all alive at the time when you were on TV with like groucho marks, Jack Benny and George Burns. Yeah, well, I, you know, I'm considerably younger than them. I don't want people to see it.

Weren't you in your 20s, David, when you would have lunch with him? Yes. Well, I was, again, still just a kid at the time in my 20s, and a producer by the name of Arthur Whitelaw wanted to do a play on The Life of the Marks Brothers. And I had a character that I played at Second City, which was definitely just me doing groucho, a psychiatrist character. I remember that.

Oh, sure. This you even said. Booger, booger, booger. Yeah, exactly. Boca, booger. All that came from there. And it was like a big hit in Chicago, and I did it occasionally on TV. I mean, for people who know me, then they always want me to keep on doing it.

But, you know, I have to leap through the air. I don't have the koya to do it anymore. The energy to do it anymore. But so I was asked to do to write this Minnie's Boys on the life of the Marks brothers. and I met with Groucho. I had a show then with me and... Are you guys there? We're here.

Yes. Oh, that's someone calling on my phone here. My wife will pick it up. Can you guys hear me? Yep, loud and clear. Yeah. So you actually have a career. People are calling you.

Yeah, see. It could be a relative. Okay. So you're... Ask the right minnie's boys. So then I met with Groucho, and I had a show called Music Scene at the time, and he did that with me,

and then I got to meet with him every Tuesday to just, you know, pick his brain for just information about the family. You know, they were a group called the Five Nightingales, and then Zeppo was in the group, and then they had Gummo was in the group, and, you know, just all the history of them is what he would give me. And then after a while he just said, you know, instead of me talking, let's on Tuesday go to Hillcrest Country Club and we'll sit with the guys. So I thought, okay, I didn't know the guys were going to be this Mount Rushmore of Jewish comedians with fake names like Jack Benny.

Right. And Irving Fine. Yeah, Jack Benny was Benny Kabbelsky. Right. And that Bernbaum was, George Burns.

Right, exactly. And George Burns was, that was the group, George Burns and all of them. And that, it was like, I couldn't, it's still incredible for me to say that.

I spent that much time with them. And they were truly funny. I mean, George Burns was the funniest, because he was the dirtiest. He was like, he just stopped. He was talking about women that they knew. And I was like unbelievable. Nothing I would ever put in the play or could you. And so Groucho and I, you know, we became friends. And I wrote the first draft of the play, which they eventually did. And then I introduced him to like Elliot Gould, who was a close friend of mine. And Tom. he smothered and they went nuts to be meeting him and he was unaware of this kind of following that

he had so it was just great yeah he heard like like jack nicholson would come over to his house and bill cosby yep and and he had a close friend harry ruby who wrote the songwriter oh sure yeah songwriter burke calmar and harry ruby yeah yeah he wrote like the lyrical song today father Father's Day and we butt you a tie. It's not much to know. It is just a way of showing you.

We think you're a regular again. You've got Groucho down gray. See, I became most fascinated with Groucho when he came back to show business and he would

appear on TV with Baray. With Marvin Hamlish, isn't the company? Yes, yes, yeah. And he'd go like, I remember when we worked

in Ohio. And Ohio was a state at that time that people would live in. They had houses and these people wore shoes

that people would wear back. That's exactly how he sounded. That is exactly how he sounded. And that's That fascinated me. Yeah, well, he, because, you know, you're getting the older version of him. And, you know, younger, they were all very sort of playful.

But this is a group that just were always funny. They put each other down in a very humorous way. And they imagine how far back they went. They went to, they go back to vaudeville together, these guys. And it's just an incredible thing. to be with them. Just amazing. Now, you were telling me

that all of those old comics still were complaining about people who had been dead for like 50 years. Absolutely. At one point, it was late in the afternoon

at Hillcrest, and they, you know, I don't know if they, I never saw them golfing, but they had lunch there. And it was like about three o'clock, and they were all tired

and it was just about you know, I'd taken notes and every, we're just about ready to say goodbye and then George Bert and I think it was Benny or Burns Betty said, Jack Benny said so something about you guys remember

Higgins and all of a sudden these old guys became young Higgins, that bastard that's, and everyone had something bad to say about it. Higgins, they became like 30 years. those guys.

And George Burns said, yeah, Higgins, he was a reviewer of the Philadelphia Inquirer. And he panned them all. And George said, Higgins even gave Fink's Mules a better review than me and Grace. That's great. So, yeah, a treasure, though. They were a treasure, actually, for me. We will return to Gilbert Gottfried's amazing colossal podcast. But first a word from our sponsor.

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I never saw any of that. I never saw the personal life. I know there were a lot of divorces in them. Although you get, with Jack Benny and George Burns, you have people who were very stable-type people and married a long time. Groucho didn't have that kind of luck. But I never saw any nastiness at all to anybody from that group. They liked being with each other, and they had a history.

So, no, I didn't see any of the unpleasantness. You know, they had stories about W.C. Fields who probably was anti-Semitic on top of everything else. I was going to ask about that. I heard he was anti-Semitic. Because all the Jews' own show business, and W.C. Fields wasn't Jewish, and they were all comedians. So you could understand him being a touch. A snitch, anti-signited.

I think in his position, I might have been myself. But then I heard he was best friends with Eddie Cantor and Fannie Bryce. That WC. Fields was? Yeah. Oh, that's interesting. I mean, if you could tolerate Eddie Cantor, that's all right. David, you mentioned Tommy Smothers. Let's talk a little bit about the role you played in getting the Smothers Brothers

finally kicked off the air at CBS. Yes. Well, it wasn't finally, it wasn't like it was... Well, they were always in trouble with the network. Well, I, you know, from Second City, one of the things I did were these sermons, where I would improvise a sermon, you know, the audience didn't know that I was forced to study the Bible and knew it very well. And so it was always a surprise that they could suggest anything in the Old Testament, and I sort of had some facts about it.

And Tommy asked me to do one, and I did, Moses was the first one. And it was, no one had done, it's 1967, and no one had done anything, irreverent or nothing about the Bible at all on television. No one had done any humor that had to do with God and the Bible, on TV, especially. And I don't think anywhere, but, you know, I had this sort of, I was playing a reform rabbi who really didn't know what he was talking about, if that's not a redundancy of some kind. But that's who I was playing. So I did Moses, had a wonderful rapport with God, whom I'm sure you'll all remember from last week's sermon, and I was sort of innocent if you're listening to it. You know, it wasn't bad.

And it went well, the audience laughed a lot and they liked it. Tommy said, oh, God, that was so great. We went out and celebrated afterwards, as you do after a show that goes well. And I went back to New York. It was in L.A. And what happened after I left, which I only found out later, Tommy invited me back the next week to do another show. So I was going to fly back. I actually flew back to L.A.

But what had happened is after the Moses sermon, and remember the Smothers Brothers Show, there were only three networks, and the Smothers Brothers were the number one show in America. And after the Smothers Brothers, Tommy, the Smothers Brothers got the most hate mail for my sermon in the history of television. Didn't Tommy lead you into a room and show you the burlap sacks of hate mail? Show me the burlap sac as if, like, what a great thing.

What an honor you've got. You know, I'm thinking he's got a career. and what's going to happen to me. But, yeah, it was, I mean, really, it's an incredible statistic to realize that you've alienated more people than anyone ever in the history of television. So he was told by the network to not,

you could have David Steinberg back, but don't do a sermon. And don't remember a sermon. And he was very belligerent. He didn't like being told what to do. And he was pushing the envelope by having, you know, Pete Seeger, at Joan Baez and singing their anti-war songs at the time which the network wasn't happy about,

but it was mine that they sort of drew the line on. And then I did another, I came back for the second time, and I did a piece with Tommy, another back and forth thing from Second City that I had done. And afterwards, he said to me, God, that went so well, why didn't you do another sermon? And I hadn't known that CBS told him, don't have him do a sermon. And I did a sermon on Jonah, and I said about, I made a reference to the New Testament scholars, grabbed the Jews by the Old Testament and made the gesture with my hands that looked like I was holding balls in my hands. And that sermon never got on the air, and that show never got on the air.

And they were the number one show on television, and they were canceled, which was, had never happened before. From CBS. Can I tell you, just, I know you weren't there, but I always heard a story that Bill Cosby once punched out Tommy's mothers. I think I would have known that but let me tell you that but let me tell you that there's no way that I mean Tommy Smothers

could get punched out by a nun he would go obnoxious to people so I don't doubt that he drove Bill Cosby crazy, but I'm not sure that it came to... Are you mistaking Bill Cosby for a nun? I don't know. And you did the David Steinberg show.

What about the David Steinberg show? Yeah, how'd you come up with the title? I was named after an accountant that I admire. But, well, you know, and then, well, I'll tell you, Gilbert, at that time, all my agents were saying to me, you know, you're getting hot now and all that. You can't continue. David Steinberg is not a good name. You're not going to get, they said you're not going to get a show with the name David Steinberg. It's too, you know, I say it's too Jewish.

Basically, the people who were telling me this were a blasphobic. And Lou Weiss No, no, you can't do it, but we could do it. But it just didn't make sense. Why would you change your name when, you know, all the teachers who thought you were a big screw-up, or they won't know that it's me if I take money. So I just stayed with it.

We should point out to our younger viewers, David, as if we had any. The Davis-Syberg show was kind of a precursor of the Larry Sanders show. It was a behind-the-scenes look at a variety show. Larry Sanders was a talk show. That was, I did that in Toronto, and it was, I hired these people and put them together that had never been on TV before. Marty Short was one of them.

John Candy was another. Catherine O'Hara, Andrea Martin. Joe Flaherty. Joe Flaherty, Dave Thomas, They were of the company, and John Candy played a Doc Severnson sort of bandleader type named Spider Rizzetti. And my closest friend, even to this day, Ziggy Steinberg, wrote all the shows. And it was the Larry Sanders show. I think Gary Shanning even mentioned that to me, that he saw it and stated his memory for a while and all of that.

But in those times you couldn't get easy DVDs. You had to see it, you know, on a two-inch version of it. But yeah, that was one of my favorite things that I ever did, actually. I played, again, another redundancy. I played an egotistical version of myself. So the show was the show and the behind-the-scenes of the show? It was the show and behind the scenes. And it was done in Toronto, and people came – I guess stars come up and do the show.

So every show had a guest star. And Ethel Merman did the show. Milton Burrell did the show. Tommy Smothers did the show. Elliot Gould and John Void, who were good friends of mine, they came up separately and did the show. And Richie Pryor did the show. And it was sort of a scripted show based around an incident.

It was sort of my version of the old Burns and Allen show because there was a deli across the street, and we would go into the deli and watch. the rehearsals on TV and the deli that was across the street in the studio. So it was just a dream come true kind of experience. And George Burns was always breaking the fourth wall. Yes. My instinct for doing that came from the Burns and Allen show,

which is very astute. You're smart of you to notice that. That was what I had in mind. And Gilbert and I are fans of Billy Saluga, who played the deli owner. Yes, and he played the deli. He was one of my closest friends at the time. And Raymond J. Jr., you could call me Ray. Oh, my God, yes.

Yeah, and he was amazing. And, you know, he was in the, later on, he got into the ace trucking company with Fred Willard, and they were an incredible group. But Billy was, yeah, he was my best friend who ran the deli across the street, and then he was in every show. Because I remember Burns would, like, in the middle of the show, be watching TV, watching his own show. Yeah.

And he would go. Now, Harry Vangel is going to come over and talk to Gracie, and he thinks she doesn't know what he's up to. Exactly. And I lifted all that kind of stuff. Because Marty Short played my cousin, but I wouldn't let him tell anyone that he was my cousin, because I was so embarrassed, and so he went by the name Johnny Del Bravo.

And wrapping his arms around an older woman in the audience, he was like so bold and amazing, Marty. It was unbelievable. It really, you know, all the people, all the comedy world from Canada, they always remember that show because the group was so, I mean, John Candy and Joe Flaherty. And every one of them was spectacular in their own way, comedically. So it was a, that was a dream come true show all the way through doing it and shooting it, all of it. Now, I was told to ask you to tell the Tony Bennett story. It's too long a story to tell on the phone. Could you give it some?

See, now, now I can't take it. No, I really have to I can't take it. I have to hear the Tony Bench. Okay. Even if we make this a two-parter. I'll try and tell it to you. I don't know if it'll work on radio with me on the phone in L.A.

And you in New York, but I'll try it. Okay. So, again, this is, everything I did was based on, it had to have some modicum of the truth. It's not like I was 16 minutes. It had to tell the truth all the time. But mostly I needed to have something happen. This is pretty much how it happened.

So it was my first tonight show, and I had been bumped from the show at least three times because there were too many guests and they went too long. And this was on the show with 90 minutes, and this was in New York. And my agent was Irvin Arthur. Did you know Irvin Arthur, Gilbert? I know the name. Yeah, he was wonderful. He was a GAC agent.

And for three, actually four times in a row, four times in a row, they announced me on the show, but I never got on because it always went too long with other guests. So even my mother said, honey, maybe you're not going to, maybe they're just going to say your name. And that's it. I said, no, Mom, I promise you. I'm supposed to get on. Anyway, so the fifth time, my age, so Urban Arthur King, don't worry, they got to realize that you're a big star, and you're going to get on the show,

and I'm going to make a thing about that. You're going to get on. Don't worry. Tonight you are on the show. So I remember it was sort of a snowy night outside, and I'm looking at the board at who the guests are, and there's only one guest, and it's Tony Bennett and me and David Steinberg. So I say, okay, this is good.

You know, there's Tony Bennett, David Steinberg. And so then Johnny goes into the audience and does stump the band. Oh, sure. You know where they paid a number. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. So stump the band is usually a five-minute little thing goes into the audience. They guess what it is, and Johnny says it.

The stump the band is going so well that this is like a war and peace version of it. It lasts for 25 minutes, actually. It's a stump the band. It might have been a stump the band special. So I'm still waiting, and I'm looking at the clock, and it's 90 minutes, I'm not worried. And then Tony Bennett comes on. And he sits down instead of going to sing right away. And Johnny said, before you do a number, you know, I know, I know.

you started out here and there, and then Tony Bennett, who's not exactly Mr. Words, is George Bernard Shaw tonight. You've never heard, I've never heard anyone that articulate.

He's talking in metaphors and funny and that that that's great. The audience is going crazy for him. So they break for a commercial and I say, Irvin, it's getting how much time is left. Don't worry. There's three more segments and all that.

They come back and Tony Bennett talks to Johnny even more and there are even more stories. And now Johnny's telling stories and Tony Bennett's laughing. And then they break for a commercial and they come back and he said, and now Tony Bennett, and don't worry, ladies gentlemen, Tony Bennett's going to be singing a song and, you know, and he goes back and talks to him. Now, he's talking to him, and they break to commercial. He hasn't sang a song yet, and there's only one segment left. And so I'm going over the material.

I said, I can't even, if I'm only on for half a segment, I'm not going to get anything said. It's like unbelievable. And I say to Irvin, Irvin, this is ridiculous. I mean, Irvin said, don't worry. He said to me, I'm going to take care of all of this. Irvin, my agent. and I hear him going back and he's talking to Rudy Taye as the producer, and he's hollering at him.

You don't understand what you're doing. David Steinberg is an upcoming star. He has to be on the show. You promise, I mean, I was so proud of him. It was really great. And then I wait for him to come back to tell me I'm going to be on the show. He said, I said, we're not going to go on. He said, you know, there's not enough time.

But you're going to be on next week. So let's get out of you. So I'm, the presses could be, we both put on our winter coats, and we're leaving. And just as we're leaving and outside the door of the studio, Tony Bennett says, and now I'd like to sing, I left my heart in San Francisco, and Urban said to me, wait a sec, I love this song. Oh, God. David, speaking of managers and agents, is it true that David Geffen talked you out of auditioning for the graduate?

Yeah, you know, I don't know how I never really told that story a lot. He claims it never happened. David Gevin said I would never have done it. But I seem to remember, you know, he was not a major agent. He was like working himself up. But he was like, you could see he was going to be something. He was so smart and cool and all of that. and I was going to audition for the graduate

and I was walking down the hallway away from Harry Kalshine, my agent in the other hall and he said, where are you going? I said, well, there's Mike Nichols are doing this movie and I was, I'm going to go audition for it. He said, which one? Pardon me?

I said, the graduate, said the graduate, they're not going to go with a little Jew like you, they're going to go with Tony Bill. He'll have gone from that. You know, David Geffen, who's probably the most successful person in the world that I know, he says, please don't tell that story anymore. We will return to Gilbert Gottfried's amazing colossal podcast after this. Now, you were supposed to be on the cover of Newsweek in 1974, and you were.

bumped. Yes. I was on the cover. Is it you and Richard Pryor, David? It was me, Richard Pryor and Lily Tomlin. And it was, we were the new comedians. And they sent us to cover. Well, they followed us, they followed Lily, you know, a guy, Art Cooper, a very well-known writer who was the editor of Gentleman Quarterly later on. He followed me all over and all my gigs all over the country in colleges and clubs, you know, and all the little places I always have to play with jazz groups and stuff like that were open for me. And I open for them mostly. But anyway, he followed me and someone else followed Billy and someone else will follow Richie.

And I'm talking about two months of this, maybe even three months. And then they sent us to cover. And it was sort of the masks of, you know, tragedy and comedy, one of those sort of pretentious covered, but you saw with my face and lilies and Ritchie's. And August 9th, my birthday, Nixon resigned, and they bumped us off the cover and put him on the cover. It's an unkind cut, considering how you felt about Nixon. Yeah, so I had reason to. But, you know, he actually won. He bumped me off the cover. And you are on Nixon's enemies list?

Yeah, yeah. Because at that time, you know, it was during an election. And, you know, now that we realized what went on, I had no idea that these people heckling me were hired by the government. You know, they wanted to stop my career because I was, I had the benefit, as I said earlier, of being able to get things set on the Tonight Show. So there were people.

from the government who are paying people to start screaming stuff out when you were on? Yeah, to heckle me everywhere. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's what happened, almost everywhere that I went. And I didn't know that they were shills, but my friend Zingy, who was with me all the time, said it always seems like the same guy, but we couldn't see them. You know, we were at that time playing the big colleges, and someone, every time I did Nixon, would start to holler and go crazy, and, you know,

didn't stop me, but it certainly wasn't, wasn't fun. It didn't help the rhythm of the trail. So they had people following you, the same people following you from city to city to heckles. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, it was terrifying, actually. And then when Watergate occurred, I saw one of the guys sitting behind Donald Segretti, who was one of the police guys who were saying, don't worry, we'll protect you in New York. And I realized he wasn't going to protect me at all. He was also another guy just taking names and who was around me. So the guy.

You know, I was totally, I wasn't doing anything except what you saw me doing. It wasn't like there was another hidden agenda I had, you know. I was rated very out front about it. So the guy who was going to protect you from the people who are following you was also with Nixon. part of the Segretti, this, you know, the dirty tricks group, yeah. This is more interesting than Dustin Hoffman, more of a Redford movie. Yeah, well, when someone is heckling you, it's scary, you know. You have to know, you hope that the guy isn't waiting for you afterwards.

And especially from the government. That is so, that is deranged. Yeah, I mean, when I found that out, it was. was an unbelievably shocking feeling just in general. Wow. Now, David, indulge me, if you would for a second, because as a kid, I loved your guest spot on The Odd Couple, where you played yourself.

And it's just one of the classic episodes. Do you have any memories of that? Oh, it was, first of all, was Jerry Belson and Gary Marshall wrote that, and they were like, they had great writers. on the odd couple. And Tony Randall and Jack Klugman were just, they were unbelievable in the parts.

They were like almost better than anyone did it on Broadway. Well, maybe Walter Mouthouther was supposed to have been great. And the others were good too. But they were so perfect for these roles. And then, yeah, and it was a very simple premise in that Jack Cloverin was a sports writer. And he was on the show, on the Tonight Show, when I was guest hosting. And he started to talk about his roommate, how he was a neat freak and all of that. He got a lot of laughs.

And Tony Randall went crazy, and he wanted to go on the Tonight Show. And it was, you know, a lot of people know every, they know all the words to all the songs that Tony Randall and I sang from the past. You know, he was a guy who knew all the Little Orphan Annie songs. Sure, sure. Yeah, and that's the turning point where you join in and send things. Yes, yes, I know all the songs, and I also do know those songs in the past. It was incredibly sort of tapped into your personality a little bit. But, but Randall, Tony Randall in that scene where he comes on the tonight show with me,

and he's very nervous, nervous, nervous, and I talk him into singing a song, and he gets really cocky, and he leaned back, and he leaned back so far he was going to fall, and I grabbed him by his foot. It's a great moment. I thought you guys rehearsed that because it's such a beautiful piece of physical comedy. Oh, it was, I was saving his life. And afterwards, you know, he wasn't a warm and funny guy, but afterwards he just hugged me. I said, you know, because I say, you said, no, that you caught me.

It's the biggest laugh we could have gotten. All he cared about were the laugh. So he's such a professional. It was just great. But I actually love that show. I'm so glad I got to do it. I remember hearing Jack Lemon, who was in the movie, said he was a big fan of the TV series. Yeah, you couldn't not be.

Like Jack Lemon and Walter Mathel, I mean, they were such, they were like amazing talents. So they wouldn't be jealous of Tordy Randall and Jack Krugman. Yeah, you couldn't. It was written so well. And, you know, I think Matt Perry is doing an odd couple. now on CBS. I believe he is. Yeah, and I hope they're

mimicking the television show more than the movie because that was so great. I just have to tell you a quick anecdote, David. I saw a very strange production of that episode of The Odd Couple live in Los Angeles, about 15 years ago,

and Sarah Silverman played David Steinberg. Oh, you know what? That's amazing. She told me that. She told me that on my show. you go. Yeah. She played me.

Some friends of mine mounted the production and I said, because I love that episode. I said, who's playing David Steinberg? And they said Sarah is. Now,

was she good? Did she get laughs? Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Okay. Now, a lot of people don't know that,

but you're a very established director. Well, I enjoy directing. So I, yeah, I directed a lot of, I wanted to direct sitcoms when at that time if you were a director

that was the wrong way to go you went into movies that was all that people wanted to do but I I love the sitcom form I didn't regard it as a cheap second cousin to anything and I started it sort of young before that television boom occurred and at that time

there were a lot of older directors who were retiring and getting out of it so I got to work on all these incredible shows, and it was just so much fun to do. It was just great. And you are a director on a lot of episodes of curb your enthusiasm with Larry David. Yes, and that was great. You know, Larry David's a friend, and Larry Charles was, you know, writing with me early on.

You remember that Larry Charles wrote the Belzer show that we did. Oh, yes. And, you know, that you were in Gailbert. That's another great gem to find. What was that show? Yeah, it was Belzer as Richard Belzer. And he plays a comedian at Catcher Iceing Star. Yeah.

Also stretching. And you were the bartender. Were you the bartender? Yeah, I was the bartender. And at one point there's an episode where they're trying to pretend that I'm Mick Jagger. Yes, I was sitting with an ascot in the police. Now, I know I told this story on your show, but it's a story I just love telling. One time you were directing me in an episode of, oh, what, Paul Wright's show.

Matt about you. Yeah, you were directing me in an episode of Mad About You. I had to do this scene, say a line, and run off. And so I did it. And then you walked over to me very uncomfortably, you were directing, and you said, I want you to run off again, but this time could you make it a little faster? And I said, yeah, I guess I could run faster. And then you went, no, no, no, could you make it a little more graceful?

and I said I then I just totally shrugged my shoulders and then you said well I mean that's such a jerky movement more evenly

and then finally you just stopped and threw your hands up in the air and said can you run less Jewish and I understood exactly That sounds like me.

Those are the kind of notes I gave to a lot of people. I don't think Alfred Hitchcock ever gave that direct. And then one of the story we talked about in your show, but also, you were asked to tell the aristocrats in the documentary. Yes, yes. And I can't tell a joke. I can not tell a joke. Which is really bad for a comedian.

It is a little bit of a handy check. And I actually tried to while Penn Gillette was there, and they said, oh, my God, that's horrendous. They even just said it to my face. It's the worst. So I said, well, who's on the show? And they said, well, Gilbert Godfried. I said, well, how about if I introduce Gilbert Godfrey? And they said, okay, and that's all I did in the aristocrats,

is I introduced you. And so I always thought it should have been you, David Steinberg telling the aristocrats, and it would have been, a family walks into a talent agent's office, and then the father starts sucking his son's cock. And then the son is eating his mother's cunt. That's like Alan Thick doing David Steinberg

Exactly Well, David, I can't tell you how much fun I had once again talking to you Oh, it's always fun for me, Gilbert. You know, you've always been one of my favorite comedians ever And that still goes Thank you so much for including me in this Thanks, David.

Oh, thank you. And any time you want to to come back. Anytime you have something to plug, please. Thank you so much, Gilbert. So we've been talking to the great David Steinberg. And this has been Gilbert Gottfried's amazing colossal podcast with my co-host, Frank Santo Padre, saying, until next week.