Gilbert Gottfried's Amazing Colossal Podcast - Lewis Black ENCORE

Episode Date: April 10, 2023

GGACP celebrates National Humor Month with this ENCORE of a memorable LIVE interview with Emmy and Grammy-winning comedian and writer LEWIS BLACK, recorded at the late, great Caroline's Comedy Club. In this episode, Lewis recounts some of his best showbiz war stories, shares his affection for “Sgt. Bilko” and “Amos ‘n’ Andy,” and looks back on the day the Beatles rocked his young world and changed his life. Also, Lewis auditions for Woody Allen, Gilbert loses a part to Dustin Hoffman (!) and Sir Cedric Hardwicke fails to live up to his name. PLUS: David Copperfield! Huntz Hall! “Terror Train”! Gilbert portrays a Spaniard! And Lon Chaney Jr. gets Bela Lugosi’s brain! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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I'm here with my co-host, Frank Santopadre, and due to popular demand, basically my kids wanting me out of the house, we've started to try out some live episodes taped in front of an audience. And this week, we traveled to Caroline's on Broadway, my home club, to talk to our old friend Louis Black. Give it a listen. You'll laugh. You might even learn something. Yeah, that'll happen. Let me introduce you to our sponsor Xero. That's X-E-R-O. Xero is beautiful accounting software built to help small businesses be more productive and successful. Xero, spelled X-E-R-O, is easy to use.

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Yes. Yeah. I was a writer on a show called Caroline's Comedy Hour. I don't know how many people here remember that. Roasted by the late, great Rich Jenny. Thank you, all four of you, who remember that. And Gilbert, he did an indecent proposal spoof where he was Robert Redford. Yeah.

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Please welcome our pal Lewis Black. I remember when we used to play to less people in this room. Yeah. Now let's start off with a very important thing. You just found out, because I told you, that Cary Grant was Jewish. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fucking shock.

I mean, seriously, how is that possible? It doesn't seem, yeah. Because his mother seems like she must have been like a German milkmaid. It can't be possible. And how did you find out? Yeah, how did you find out? Yeah, it's in the secret June news. I got gotta subscribe.

His name was Archie Leach. It was hardly a Jewish name. Yeah, but was a Jew. Wow, I am... You know, something would have been good to know when we were like nine. Now it doesn't fucking help at all.

No, I heard Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia were like nine. Now it doesn't fucking help at all. No. I heard Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia was a Jew. Now you're kidding. Yes. Fiorello LaGuardia was a Jew. I thought he was one of my people. Where do you read this stuff on like kosher food labels?

You could be Italian and a Jew like Chico Marx. That's true. Yeah. The show's educational, Lewis. Now, are you a Jew? Because by looking at you, you wouldn't be able to tell.

Oh, yeah, yeah. In Europe, I pass. In Europe, I'm serious. If it ever gets intense here, I'm fucking going there. They can't tell. I mean it. They think I'm Italian. And I go, yes.

Yes. Yes, I am. You talk with your hands. Yes. And I'm very expressive. Right. No, I am a Jew, but I'm not... Hey, you know, when he says he's a Jew, I hate to, like, do a break in the show.

I hate to do ask for a second take. But when he says, I'll give you the signal to say you're a Jew, and then I want a tremendous round of applause and cheering. Oh, so what nationality are you? Well, I'm a Jew. I'm a Jew. You actually speak a little Hebrew, don't you, Lewis? I mean, now that we're on the subject, you went to Hebrew school.

I went to Hebrew school, and I had... That's how you learned to be a Jew. Yeah, because you had no idea. I went, you know, to practice for my bra mitzvah, and because things weren't going well in regular school, I found a place where I could excel, because most kids don't give a fuck about learning Hebrew. But I thought, boy, I can beat these bastards at this.

So I ended up, I had a massive, I had like a 50,000 word vocabulary in Hebrew at one point in my life. And there was nobody to fucking talk to. Did you have to learn? Did you learn it? I know, no. The only thing I know is Yeah. Beautiful. Gil, did you have a bar mitzvah? I never asked you that question.

No, I never had. Why not? Never was bar mitzvahed. I'm a bad Jew. Of course, that's redundant, isn't it? Now, Lewis is a big fan of the Amish. I was reading in your book, Me of Little Faith. You admire the Amish? Yeah, because they don't fuck with you.

They do what they do, you know? They basically they're Christians or Satanists, who knows what's up. But they just do it. They don't fucking go around going hey, you should ride a you know, you should not use motorized shit and

ride behind a horse and sell cocaine in villages. In fact, I think their slogan is, we're the Amish, don't fuck with us. And now Harrison Ford is a good friend of the Amish. Harrison Ford is a good friend of the Amish. And he fell in love with that lesbian Amish girl. Kelly McGillis. Who's that lesbian Amish girl? Kelly McGillis.

Kelly McGillis, yes. Yeah, we would have been here for an hour trying to remember that. It's my job. She just announced like a year ago. Maybe a little longer ago. Well, all right, two years ago. Gilbert, you love the Amish too. too. She said, I'm a lesbian, and the whole world said,

who are you again? Kelly, help us out here. Could you toss us a bone here? Say something in Hebrew, Jew boy. I have cleared my act of all, you know, there's three mentions of it, and now you're just driving me back into it.

I, you know, Baruch Atah Adonai Eloheinu Malcholam, Meshach and Shalom HaMitzvotav, V'tzivanu La'adlik, Nershel Hanukkah, or something like that. Let's hear it. Hey! The fact that you applauded that is really, it's appalling. See, it paid off. Hebrew paid off Hebrew paid off

now you do a lot of political shit this George Washington this George Washington were those teeth wood or were they made out of ivory? It was wood. It was wood. I learned that at the Smithsonian. No, I heard it wasn't wood.

Well, I trust you because apparently you know shit that no one else knows. You have a book somewhere. And George Washington was a Jew, surprisingly. I just found that out in the newsletter. We were recording a mini-episode before we do these shows. We do another show about where we just pick movies that we love. And Gilbert remembered the tagline from the poster from a Jamie Lee Curtis movie called Terror Train. And yet he couldn't remember the name of the show

when we were doing the introduction to the actual podcast. He has selective memory. Yeah, for Terror Train it was, the girls and boys of Sigma Phi, some will live and some will die. That's right. Anybody remember that? Oh, man.

No, I don't remember it. He has selective memory. Boy, that's unbelievable. David Copperfield was in that. He was. As a magician. He's a Jew. That's usually the guys

who they told us were Jews. David Copperfield, the magician is a Jew. That's usually the guys who they told us were Jews. David Copperfield, the magician is a Jew. Jaime Schwartz, the mime, he's a Jew. See, now, I think, see, for a while they thought, like, Billy Joel was the ultimate case of a Jew with a

shiksa and, like, spitting on his parents to be with this big shiksa. And I think David Copperfield outdid him because he was going with a German. Yeah. Michael Claudia Schiffer.

Well, yeah, that's nice. But that made me think she was her hermaphrodite. That something had to be wrong. I used to, we used to work, I used to work the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, and I would be the act that

would come in. He would be there for three weeks, and then I came in for like a week, and so all of his shit was backstage, and it took everything I had not to go back and fuck. Fuck with his boxes and his magic shit. What was your opinion of Doug Henning? I never had a thought.

Canadian. Is he Canadian, Doug Henning? Oh, yeah. Yeah, the late Doug Henning. And it's natural. Marty Short does the best Doug Henning in the world. What did you grow up? You grew up in Silver Spring in Maryland. Yeah.

So we asked this of all of our guests. Oh, see, I didn't get it. in Maryland. So we asked this of all of our guests. See, Silver Spring didn't get the same reaction that the Jews did. No. What did you grow up watching, Lou? I watched Gunsmoke.

I mean, I remember that one. You know what? Look, the ones that really I watched that one. You know what? All right, look. The ones that really I watched that really had the effect, Amos and Andy. I thought Amos and Andy was fucking brilliant. Well, hello there. Yeah, I know. You do that.

I'm going to steer clear of that. You work on that for a while. I'm glad you went down that road, Luke. It leads to nothing but trouble. As opposed to me, you want to hold on to your career. It's not so much my career, but the people bothering you, you know, the calling up. Is it true you're on that podcast and did that strange black accent? you were on that podcast and did that strange black accent?

Hey, can you name the two white, because they were originally white. Gosnell? It was a G. Yeah, they were on radio. Charles. Freeman Gostin

and Charles Carell. Charles Carell was on? No, he was on Emerson. Surprising. Personal. No, they were. But I watched, and I'm still kind of stunned that they took it out of circulation. Seriously, because it's not, there's nothing really to me racist about that show.

You know, being the white Jew that I am, I will make this judgment. Only because it's everything that I learned in fucking theater school about, you know, basically goes back to Italian comedy. You know, all of them are stock fucking characters. They could have

been white. They were fucking funny. He sold them a house that was in Central Park. The Kingfish. The Kingfish sold his house, and it was just the front of the house. There was no house. How fucking good is that? It doesn't

have to do with black or white. It's the brilliance of pulling off that comic turn, and it fucking fucked me up. I thought, God damn it, that's funny. And Amos and Andy, see, people have that knee-jerk reaction. You say Amos

and Andy, it's like, oh, that was racist. No one saw it. Most people haven't watched it. Yeah, I mean, he sold him rabbits. Kingfish sold rabbits to Andy. We should explain that the Kingfish sold rabbits to Andy. We should explain that the Kingfish was a con artist.

He was a con artist. And he would make his money off of Andy, who kind of didn't get it. And he sold him these rabbits and telling them that they were chinchillas. And so that he could make, and how much money he'd make off of this. And he had a chart and stuff and you'd just go wow. Even, it was one of those things. That and the same show in its

own fashion, which is why I don't think it was Bilko. Sergeant Bilko, which was brilliant. And a ton of great comedy writers came from there. But that show, in essence, same fucking construct. You're Bilko the con man with a bunch of fucking morons surrounded by him.

But you added the layer of the U.S. Army that he could fuck with. And that's where I started to really get into my little, well, it became my anti-authoritarian shit. You know, that's like really, because it was, I mean, I think one of the reasons that the Army never appealed to me was because they, to me, the greatest single episode to me in television history, at least in terms of its effect on me, but I just think brilliant, they induct a chimp into the Army. And, I mean, how good is that? And it's because what the army has decided, which is so perfectly, and I was born and raised around Washington, so it was so perfect, that the army was going to create, do things better and faster

by inducting 1,000 people instead of like 50 or 100. So they're sending these people through, and, like, the monkey shows up. His feet are there. The doctor's looking down at the monkey's feet, and he takes his. He just looked at 500 feet, and he's going like. And then the chimp walks out, and he just goes, okay. And then the chimp gets his name because the shrink is talking to him. And what's your name?

It was in. It already was Private Harry Speakup because he wouldn't talk. So he goes, speak up, speak up. And then the one behind him took down Private Harry Speakup. Then he's inducted into the Army. But Bilko wants a three-day pass. Fucking, I know this is insane that I'm even saying this shit. A three-day pass?

What does that mean, Lewis? It means you get off the fucking army base for three days. So he tells the guy in charge, the commander there, won't give him the pass. So he says, well, then the chimp stays in the army because you're going to have to

court-martial the chimp to get the chimp out of the army. So the whole last third of this fucking episode is them trying the chimp in a court-martial. Brilliant. And that was truly to me, that was it. I said, I'm not joining the army. And that was created by Nat Hyken, who was brilliant. And he loved, like, funny-looking people. And it's like, you know, it's supposed to, like, years later,

they'd be friends, where everyone looks like a model on that show. And he also created another show I love, and that's Car 54. Yeah, which I watched. Sure. Watched that. That one I watched religiously. Fred Gwynn and Al Lewis before the Munsters. And who's the other guy?

Who's the short guy? You'll know. Oh, well. He's Jewish. On Car 54? Oh, let's see. Well, Joey Ross was his partner, who was one of the many comics to go, ooh, ooh.

Because Hunts Hall also would go, ooh, ooh. And there's one of the few things. Here's an interesting, something that no one cares about but me. My father was a friend of Hunts Hall's. Really? Oh, wow. Same neighborhood in New York. Yeah, the Lower East Side. Who remembers Hunts Hall's. Oh, wow. Same neighborhood in New York. Yeah, the Lower East Side.

Who remembers Hunts Hall? Show of hands. This is what life was like in the 30s, you little fucks. Hunts Hall was part of the Bowery Boys. Yeah. Along with Leo Garcia. Leo Garcia.

Another Jew. Half a Jew. Irish Jewish. Leo Garcia. You should start a business. Just identifying a cottage industry. Identifying. His father was Bernard Garcia.

That's right. Who ran Louie's Candy Store. Louie Dombrowski. Yeah. right. Who ran Louis' Candy Store. Louis Dombrowski. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you boys! Get out of my soda shop! It's a little like Stinky from Abbott and Costello. It's a little bit of Joe Besser.

Joe Besser, when he would pop up on Abbott and Costello this is what the show's about folks he used to as a kid I would watch it and I was very disturbed Joe Besser? yeah when he showed up

he scared me well Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld were such fans of that show that the Newman character Wayne Knight's character Newman on Seinfeld was basically based on Stinky. They just wanted to do this homage. You can look it up. I'm not making it up.

They wanted this character who was an antagonist of the main character. So Newman is essentially Stinky. I've learned more in the last 15 minutes than you wanted to know. Do you know that Nat Hyken, this never happened. I'm going to get a pad. Yeah. And it's an outrage that it didn't. Nat Hyken wanted to write for the Marx Brothers.

Wow. But the studios had their own writers. And this was at the point where the Marx Brothers were like, you know, the big star. Oh, Love Happy. Yeah, Love Happy at the circus. They were on the skits.

Really, yeah. And so, yeah, that's something that could have been. You must have been a fan of Duck Soup. Oh, it was huge. That was another one

of those things. That whole thing where they go from war to war to war, where they're just changing wars. What they're dressed in in their costumes. I love that.

That movie is... It's so ahead of its time. We were talking about it with another one of our guests. I'm trying to remember who we talked about. Was it maybe Roger Corman or somebody we were talking about? Maybe Margaret Dumont. No. I think it was...

Actually, it was Alan Zweibel. But that brings us to Groucho. You were telling us a story in the green room about a friend that was developing a television show. With Groucho? No, you said you had a friend that was developing a television show and they told him the demo was too old. Oh, yeah, no, yeah, that's, yeah, because it was the punchline. That's why I didn't fucking remember it. My friend had a show.

I didn't fucking remember it. My friend had a show. The first real kind of like show where you could see comics predating the Caroline's Comedy Hour and a bunch of the improv. It was a thing called Kamikaze on MTV. I don't know how many of you ever saw it, but Kamikaze was like it lasted 28 episodes. The guy who I work with now, John Bowman, who's my opening act, went out to L.A. and MTV did what MTV could do, took something that was really nice and just fucking hammered it until it was an inordinate piece of shit. So he, a really brilliant physical comic, they basically took him and made him just a head. So all you ever saw was his head bouncing around, and he would introduce comics,

and he wanted to bring people like myself who had not really, nobody knew who the fuck I was, and other folks, and I was 32, 34 at the time, and they said that I skewed too old for the MTV demographic. And so did some of the others and some of them were even somewhere older and so he said to the folks at MTV he said what are you talking about age has nothing to do with comedy he said my first

comic hero I was seven years old and my hero was Groucho Marx and not only was he old he was dead. It's so good. Now, two people in Duck Soup. One of them

is Lewis Calhoun. Sure. Who's the head of Sylvania. The competing country. Groucho's country is Fredonia. But the other one, the prosecutor

during that big crazy trial scene is Robert Middleton, best known as this is the end for you, Flash Gordon. Oh, he was Ming the Merciless. He was Ming the Merciless.

Good stuff. And he was like started as a song and dance man. What? What do you do during the day? Yes. You found us out. This is how this podcast came to be, Lewis. We would sit on the phone for three hours at a time

with him on the road, bored, watching Canadian television and talk about Charles Middleton. And we said, why don't we do a show? In fact, I'll tell you something really pathetic. While you... Not like the stuff before it was. You were saying your friend's name, Bowman? John Bowman, yes. When you said that, in my mind, it lit up.

Oh, that's like Dr. Bowmer in Ghost of Frankenstein, where Lionel Atwill was Dr. Bomer and and and and Lon Chaney Jr. was the monster in that. Wow, you know like that I remember. And Lugosi was back. So they put Lugosi's brain, Igor's brain, in Lon Chaney Jr.'s body. It's true. And he's there in the Frankenstein makeup talking, and he goes, You gave me the wrong brain. Yes. I can see, Dr. Boomer.

I can see, Dr. Bomer. What good is all the strength without brains to see? Without eyes to see? Let me give the audience some contemporary context on Lionel Atwell. Lionel Atwell. Lionel Atwell was parodied by Kenneth Mars in Young Frankenstein. This character, who's doing this with a mechanical

arm, is a spoof of Lionel Atwell's character in, I believe, Son of Frankenstein. Yeah, in Son of Frankenstein, that's where Lugosi first appeared as Igor. I'm trying to bring them up into the early 20th century. At least.

Moving along slightly. I'll move them as far as Glenn Strange as the monster, and I'm not going any further. Any further than that. Glenn Strange played the monster in Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein because Karloff wouldn't slum and be monster in Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein because Karloff wouldn't slum and be in an Abbott and Costello movie.

And he was the bartender on Gunsmoke to bring it back to Lewis. We've come full circle, folks. Wow. Wow. Wow. I'm exhausted. And still alive, who I want on the show,

is Janet Ann Gallo, who's the little girl who befriends Lon Chaney Jr.'s monster in Ghost of Frankenstein, is still alive. She's 114, but she's still alive. As is Donnie Donegan. Yes. From...

Donnie Donegan's family is here tonight. When you get a hold of her, and you're going to have her on the podcast, could you get me an email? Yeah. Send me... Notify me immediately. By the way, her entire career was 30 seconds in Frankenstein.

She's thrown in the well. And she's 104 or something like that, so it's going to be a very short episode. No, I think she also worked with Avan and Costello in Mexican Hayride. We were... You know, Lewis... No, no. That one was over... That's really over the cliff.

We were going to interview a woman named Carla Lemley, who was the granddaughter of Carl Lemley, who was the founder of Universal Pictures. And she's the little girl who says the first line in Dracula. She's riding in the carriage. Yeah. So we said, oh, we'll definitely have her the next day, the obituary. She died the next day.

That is a true story. And since we mentioned Avan and Costello, And since we mentioned Avin and Costello, you must be familiar with... If I'm not, I will be. With the Bud and Lou, a TV movie starring Harvey Korman and Buddy Hackett. No. Okay.

You don't want to be. Okay. No, that wouldn't... Well, so you missed it was a classic death scene. My favorite death scene of all time. Wait a second.

We should give them some context. This is Buddy Hackett playing Luke Costello in a TV movie about Luke Costello and Bud Abbott's life which was absolutely terrible

called Bud and Luke. They look like two guys who had never seen Abbott and Costello and Bud Abbott's life, which was absolutely terrible. Yeah. Called Bud and Lou. They look like two guys who had never seen Abbott and Costello. And so Costello is in his deathbed in the hospital. And his agent, Eddie. Eddie Sherman. Played by Artie Johnson. Wow. Yes. Wow. From laughing,

you know, very interesting. Yes. And so he comes in and he reaches under his jacket that he smuggled us into the hospital and it's his takeout cup and he says I got you a strawberry malted smuggled us into the hospital, and it's this takeout cup, and he says,

I got you a strawberry malted because you're a good boy. And Buddy Hackett, Buddy Hackett as Lou Costello, he's very weak, and his head is back in the hospital bed, and he takes a sip, and he goes, you know,

I hide a lot of strawberry maltage in my day but this one's the best. And then he closes his eyes and dies. Oh, wow. Daddy, I wondered, after hearing this,

the people who hear the podcast, do you think they race out? Yeah. Fuck, I've got to really see the original? Yeah. Why would you want to see the original? That's ten times better. I didn't even see the original. That's fucking as good as it's going to get.

What, do you need a build-up to that? I've got to see the original. I'm not going to, that's fucking as good as it's going to get. What do you need, a build-up to that? I got to see the whole movie now? And their version of Who's On First is so dreadful. Oh, it's horrible. As Gil says,

it's like they've never seen the routine in their lives. Tried hard. It's like, you know, what's the fella's name on first base? What's the fella's name on first base? What's the fella's name on second base?

Pretty much it. Lou, tell us about, in your book, you talk about seeing the Beatles for the first time on the Solid White Show. No, I never saw it. Oh, no. You reference a movie that another group of people did that played the Beatles, and it was Schlebi-Makanda and Fruity-Taka. Schlebi-Makanda. Moist-Ka-Kong. I heard you, Schlebi. and it was schleppy maconda and fruity taco schleppy maconda and moist cacong

I was fucking I heard you schleppy schleppy maconda was it you yeah

I I I saw the the it just seems so meaningless

now I I saw the Beatles the it just seems so meaningless now I saw the Beatles I saw the first time they they were on Sullivan February 9th, 64 and I was 16 and it was

and I fucking yelled like a little girl. I did. It was like, it was weird. It was very weird. You've got to realize nothing was, you know, you're born and raised in the 50s. It's like, this was the 50s. You know, spam is like the height of culinary fashion.

Macaroni and cheese is like a breakthrough for Americans. It's a horrific kind of a time, but very comfortable. And then the Beatles showed up, and literally I jumped up and down. I mean, it was so different from anything we'd heard before. And I'd seen Elvis on it, but I was much younger, and it didn't have that kind of a... But this really was mind-boggling. And you just started to track them. I mean, it was like insane that that happened.

And then I saw... And the first live concert I went to was that year. I went to see the Rolling Stones. And it was the first time I even considered dancing in public because I saw, you know I saw the fucking Mick Jagger was dancing around as well if that break in there and that was really stunning too it was really like extraordinary you know those I mean it was just like out of it was like somebody ripped something off you know

it was like all of a sudden it was like... And then I wasn't in the... This was how fucked up things were. My friends and I would read about marijuana, but couldn't get our fucking hands on it. And you had a transistor radio. I was reading in the book. You had an old transistor radio. Yeah, Emerson.

Eight transistors. You tuned to WABC in New York. I did. And rock and roll just kind of changed your life. It did. It was the beginning. There was two sections of my rock and roll life in terms of that. And I listened.

I was living in Silver Spring, Maryland, which is like, now Silver Spring is like a city. I mean, it's a fucking boom town there, and there's shit to do, and it's fun. In fact, when I was there, there was fucking nothing. Not a goddamn thing, you know, like, not even a spring, fucking nothing. And so at night, while I was doing my homework, I'd listen to Cousin Brucey in New York, and it was like this far... And I would visit New York. My family would come up here.

So I was always kind of excited by it, but there was that life with your family and the let's go to... and have some... You know, another Passover. life with your family and let's go to and have some you know another Passover whoopee fucking do let's have

some matzo braai that's something if you're looking for a suicidal way out matzo braai just shove it in your mouth until you can't chew anymore death by cement. So, uh... You know, I just found out

that matzo braai is something juicy. Yeah, I just... I wasn't aware of this. So, I wasn't aware of this. So I listened to it as if it were like this whole life that was going on, and it was much more interesting than my life, and that I just kind of gravitated to it. I mean, I listened to it every night, and it just seemed to be another life. And then my first job was in this – I cleaned freezers in a – a friend of my family's, they had a vending machine company,

and I – you know, like with bad sandwiches and stuff, and then I would have to clean the freezer. It's a heinous job. But the music that I played there was downtown Washington, D.C., and that was all basically considered, you know, soul music. So that was an all-black station. And that was like another, like, holy fuck, there's a whole other world going on in terms of music. And in the meantime, I was learning the piano from a woman who

had arthritis so it was and I kept thinking boy I'd really like to do music and then you go show up there and she was like in her late 60s and you and it cost a buck a lesson and there was reason, because the smell of death was in the music. And she would play, and you'd look at these wizened hands like a parakeet. You know how a parakeet has those claws? I went, why the fuck would I want to learn this instrument? So that was the end of my music career. And I couldn't sing.

So that was the end of my music career. And I couldn't sing. I remember, I found out, I used to listen for stuff on the Beatles from Murray the Kay. Sure, Murray the Kay, the fifth Beatle. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, by the way. Jewish. Jewish.

Is he? Murray Kaufman. Yeah, Murray Kaufman. Jewish? Cousin Brucey's... Cousin Brucey's still doing his thing. He's still on Sirius? We're going to have him on the show.

Are you? Yeah, eventually. Well, I'm going to warn him. Yeah, warn him. Tell us a story about... Speaking of TV tv and i love this story you did a pilot with my old boss joy behar well actually we didn't do the pilot you never did the pilot no okay no because that's the story of my career young comics will say there was a series and Lewis Black wasn't on it. But it was the first real break I had in terms of this kind of thing.

I was performing Catch, The Rising Star, when it was on the Upper East Side. It was on the Upper East Side. And they approached me and said that they were the producers of a show that was going to be starring Joy Behar called The Rock, in which she would play a principal. And they wanted somebody to play the social studies teacher. And they were going to take my act and basically write the character based on my act. And I went, you know, fuck, yeah, sure. And then they did it. And I got it. It was me. I mean, it was my act. I mean, it was really a lot of it. And I was the only one on

the, at that point, you know, I was the guy on the series who smoked, when you could still smoke on television. Even that, I couldn't even get the smoking job. So they flew me out, and we got there. And this was the first hint that things weren't going to go well. We were talking about how you know when your career is ending or something is going to go wrong. We were talking about it before Gilbert and I. And my friend John Bow, actually picked me up and dropped me off at this hotel.

And he opened the door and he said, oh, hello. The bellman came out. He said, you must be the new bellman. So that was kind of a tip that things weren't going to go my way. I went and auditioned at CBS, my first big audition, the first time. And what they do is just, it's horrible what they do. They get a group of actors, and they put you in this room outside,

and then you go in, and you appear. At that point, there were 15 suits in the room. And I did it and i did it i did it and uh with joy and i i did the the scene and uh and we did it again and it was funny and i thought i was great you know because i'm me you were good as you i thought i was pretty good and I literally I walked to the door and uh and I this is one of the things when you go in for these auditions you always hear afterwards so I kind of knew I said uh they go you know they'll go oh he was good but you know we didn't get to see we'd like to have seen more colors, which is the word they use, because they don't know what emotions are.

So I said, would you like to see me do it again? You know, I can do this in a number of different ways. And they said, I said, you know, because I know that you're looking for probably a lot of colors in this, and I may not have given you all of them. And they said, no, no, that was terrific. And I closed the door, because I knew this was like, what the fuck? This to me was I was going to get this,

they were going to fuck me, it was never going to happen again. So I closed the door, opened it back up, and come back and they said, would you like to see me tap dance? And the room was stunned, and they went, no. And I said, then why the fuck did I take the lessons? And I slammed the door. And that was that.

And then three days later, they told me they gave the job to somebody else. As I've said time and again, they found a better me. Who knew there was somebody spending their whole life becoming a better me? And you'll know who this is, and you'll probably know his fucking resume. Or his grandfather's work. Paul Sand. Oh, Paul Sand, sure. Oh, my God.

Friends and lovers. Yes, he was in The Hot Rock. That's right. With George Segal. And Ron Liebman. Robert Redford. And I think Moses Gunn. Was Moses Gunn in that? And Zero Mostel. Correct. And I think Moses Gunn. Yes. Moses Gunn was in that.

And Zero Mustel. Correct. Oh, and William Redfield. Yes. Yes. William Redfield was in, yeah, well, never mind. What's the point? William Redfield was in Cuckoo's Nest.

Wow. You'd know him if you saw him. He was one of the patients in Cuckoo's Nest. I can't remember what happened yesterday. You guys curb your enthusiasm, fans? Yeah. Well, Paul Sand was the cook that they hire for the restaurant that has Tourette's Syndrome.

That starts cursing. That's Paul Sand. Brilliant actor and comedian. And they gave it to him. And then the show didn't go because... But Paul Sand called me and said, I love doing your character. Would you want to write a comedy, write a TV pilot for me? And I said, why would I write it for you?

I can't even fucking write it for myself. And that was it. That was it, and we were done. That was your first audition as an actor. It was my first major. I'd been in Hannah and Her Sisters. I'd done things. I'd been in a couple of things,

but that was the first really, holy fuck, we could make a living. We're not going to die. Right. Joy hates L.A. so much. I'm sure she was happy it didn't fly I'm probably you know I'm sure now didn't you try to sell a show

where they told you it was too funny oh yeah my friend Richard Dresser and I had written this piece, mostly Richard had. He was one of the writers on the Days and Nights of Molly Dodd. And Blair Brown, and then of course you could go on for a decade. Terrific show. But Richard and I had this idea, and literally for the life of me,

I can't remember the idea itself. It doesn't fucking matter. You're just hanging me on it with some other people, and it's just a way to get to fucking 22 minutes. So it was a funny idea, and we took it in, and it was FX. FX early on. FX before Louis, FX before mark maron fx before

fx is you know it's brand now portlandia no that's portlandia fx too oh it's ifc those fucks they fucked me too yeah it was hard for me to remember because Richard and I got fucked at both of those places. So we go in and we do it. And they're holding on to it and they like it. And then it disappears. We don't hear anything. And literally all you want to do when you do that is hopefully, the most you really hope for is to have the pilot filmed so you actually learn something, so you see it.

So even if they reject it, you've kind of come full circle with it and you've got some idea of what the fuck you wrote. And they actually said, we couldn't find out, we couldn't find out, and then finally Richard's agent got to talk to them and they said, you know, the problem is it's just, it's too funny for FX. I said, why don't you make up something else? Can't these fuckers, how can something be too funny? Oh, you know, boy, we can't put it on. These people laugh so hard. People people were dying gagging on their own phlegm they kept fucking spitting up spitting up their goddamn you know fucking lungs were being flown

across the room they were laughing so goddamn hard those fucks ifc those fucks did the same thing those brits ifc called us to bring them a fucking pilot hey come on in we want to we want you to it's like hey you know it's like why don't you know what bend over here and we're gonna we got a stick of butter we're gonna shove it up your ass i mean it was unbelievable they fucking called us me and richard and another friend of mine who didn't need to get fucked in the ass either and they bring us in and then we do it and we pitch it and they love it and done it and died could you just give us eight pages well you never write eight pages ever unless they pay you but we were so sure that they were gonna buy it they wrote the eight pages

they went nah no it's not our you know what they said on that show? It's not edgy enough. I went, how the fuck in the course of my career did I go from being edgy to fucking, now I'm mainstream? You bastards. and David Kelly the great David E. Kelly wrote a show for you wrote a show to store you yes he did that went south too yeah everything

everything is that was called Harry's Law Harry's Law was a show that was written specifically for me. David Kelly is one of the nicest men on earth and really extraordinary, an extraordinary gentleman. He called up, he came to see me in San Francisco and he said, and this is something you hear, I'm sure Gilbert's heard this a thousand times, I'm going to write something for you and I really want to work with you.

Oh, yes. I said it to him. Now look where he is. And I'm going to be in touch with your agent. You hear that all the time, and then you never see these fucks again. And the next time, they say the same fucking thing. So David Kelly came backstage with his son and said, you know, I'm writing a pilot for you.

And I said, you know, that's really very nice. And he said, David Kelly, who created Picket Fences and Ally McBeal and many other, Dougie Hauser. And Boston Legal. My mother's favorite show. So my mother was like, this is it. You know, this is like fucking, my mother is going to ascend to heaven. My mother would call me and tell me, go through in detail the end of each Boston Legal show and what the fucking lesson was. And so David Kelly calls me back and says, I have the script. Would you fly out and do a reading with us? And I said, yeah. And so what they did was I had to, I went out.

What they wanted to do was get me on tape. And I went out and we did a tape and it went, and it was great. I mean, I loved, it was me, just me, him and the director, and we had a great time. And he let me actually, he's David Kelly and I'm big on, I mean, I write, so I'm big on words. So I'm hard pressed to want to do other words, but he let me actually, he said, you know, now do it and do it. You know, don't worry about it. Just do what I was trying to write. So I could really, I was really comfortable. We did that.

We had it. He said, you know, I'm going to do what I can. I'm not as big in this as I used to be. It was the only network that had not fucked me at this point was NBC. that had not fucked me at this point was NBC. So he had gone on a bidding war and NBC had decided to do it. And we did this thing and he said, I'm not as influential. Now this is three or four years, five years after Alan McBeal. I mean, he did nothing but hit shows. And he'd lost his influence.

So he then called me up and said, I'm sure that I've lost my influence. He said, they won't even let me pick the sixth lead. So it's the sixth person from the top of the show. And so at that point, I was writing my book. and I was in the midst of writing my book, and NBC called to negotiate with my agents. And what they were offering was shit. And I mean, granted, it's good money, but they were offering for an hour what you'd be paid for a half hour.

And an hour of that is like 16 to 18 hours a day, and it's fucking brutal, and I've got to move to California. So that's like, you know. And I just said, and I made a number, and the number was not crazy. It wasn't a crazy number. If I'm going to give up, I like my life. I like going on the road.

I like what I fucking do. I like the freedom of being a going on the road. I like what I fucking do. I like the freedom of being a... You know that freedom of being a stand-up. Nobody bothers me. It's me and the audience. Nobody coming and going, if you did that joke the other way, Gilbert, if you hadn't brought up Clem Cadiddlehopper, we would have had a

hit show. So... So... joke. How many times I've gotten that over the years. So I said, I was writing the book and I really liked writing the book and they kept calling back and they wouldn't budge on it. And I knew that

the only reason they were doing it, they wanted to start. And they were going to offer me this. You have to sign a contract before you go to the network. So you're signing the contract already. Then you go. After you sign it, I was still going to have to audition for this. And I thought, wow, this is what I really thought. And this is just from being around this for so long, I thought,

they're already fucking me. They're already fucking me, and I haven't signed a contract with them. So imagine just how hard they're going to fuck me when they haven't signed a contract. So they just had the tip in. At that point.

So I said, I called David up and I said, I can't. We talked to each other. He said, I'm really sorry about this. I'm sorry I got you involved in this. I really wanted this to be your show. And I said, but I, you know, I said, I hope you understand. I can't do it because of what NBC is doing. And he said, no, I get it.

And then they gave it to Kathy Bates. And I thought, well, if that was the deal, I would have taken the money they were offering, and then I would have had a, you know, I would have had a, I would have gotten breast to do the role. I mean, so and so it was really kind of a, but he was through the whole thing and then when it went on the air

he called me and really kind of said I really have to tell you just how much I don't like doing this to an actor. I've said, in the history of television of all the entertainment that I've worked in, nobody does that. You know, usually they just – usually it's the guy who's serving you craft foods says, you know, they'd let you go. Gilbert, did you have pilots other than Larry David?

I found out I was fired from Saturday Night Live. They brought in the new producer, Dick Ebersole, and I was waiting outside the office and he was going to call me in to say whether I was staying or going. And on

the desk outside, there were these fan letters. And one was from some girl in Oklahoma. And I open it up, and she goes, dear Gilbert, I'm so sorry about what happened to you. Wow, that's good. And I also remember, too, because you were saying how they say, oh, we want to work with you. And I remember a movie where they were telling me, you know, everyone working on this movie says Gilbert Gottfried for this part. That's all we want is him

in this part. And so we want you, whatever you do with this, great. And then after they're stringing me on like this, my agent calls and says, they're not going with you. And I say, well, who are they going with? And they go, Dustin Hoffman.

You never told me that I know you lost a part to Billy Barty yes yes yes and I figured the only time in show business where my name and Dustin Hoffman's name you know the only sentence you could make is

I've seen Gilbert Gottfried's acting and he's no Dustin Hoffman's name. You know, the only sentence you could make is, I've seen Gilbert Gottfried's acting and he's no Dustin Hoffman. But yeah, I lost out. I was auditioning for Mel Brooks for Life Stinks was the name.

You all know that one. That's where he loses his money and he becomes homeless. He's a rich guy. It was pretty horrible. And so they were also, they loved me, loved me, loved me, and they gave it to the famous midget Billy Barty Billy Barty is disappointed all right great this tall I don't know if he was Jewish Louie you're good auditioner you like to audition you're doing a lot of acting

now you're in the new Pixar movie. That wasn't an audition. Right. But I mean, generally speaking. Do I like to audition? Yeah. No. Gilbert hates it. Yeah, no.

I don't mind it in the sense that I'm comfortable going into a room from being a comic. I do feel like it's my room. So fuck them. Because this is the way I deal with it, and this may help you, and if it does, I'd like a little money. Because they're getting... You're the reason they're getting paid.

You're the reason. You're on their fucking list. You're one of the... See, if they got the five they're really looking at, then they got you and me and, you know, Schleppi Fartlek, okay? Schleppi Fartlek. Also a Jew. I'm sure of it.

I'm sure of that. And the thing is, that was his anglicized mind. Unbelievable. Oh, wow. Yeah, so... But that's... Unbelievable. Wow. Yeah. But that's it. But, you know, we're the reason that they're getting paid. So one of the reasons I'm comfortable being there is it's like, okay, you know, fuck you.

You're getting paid because I'm here. So, you know, so that's the reason. And I won't, you don't memorize that shit before you go in, do you? No. Yeah, no, good. No, fuck that. I don't memorize it when I'm actually doing it. I just, I did just have an audition that was the world's greatest audition,

and it was Woody Allen. And I went in to see him, and it was for this role, and I know Woody this much. I know enough I was in the movie, and I'd spent a little time with him when I did Hannah and Her Sister, so we were comfortable together. And he was very nice, and he said, look, he said, I didn't really want to bring you in,

but I needed to see you to see if you were really going to play old enough for this role. And I said, it's going to be tough because I really always play young. And I said, so this is, I said, in a way, this is like the greatest audition. This is the most comfortable I've ever been auditioning. I said, because what you're saying to me is I'm either going to get the role or I'm not getting it because I'm too young. And he was great. And he literally said, he did this in every one. She went, I know you can do this. So I'm not worried about these words. I just really need to watch you. Just read them, and I just want to watch you,

and then I'll figure out if the age thing. And I thought, how fucking good. Now, that's a fun audition. And every so often you'll go in, and somebody who's sitting there behind that table actually gets it. But that's rare. I'd rather have just a big puma walking back and forth. You know, really.

Because you played some interesting parts. I mean, you played a shock jock on Law and Order. You played a professor on The Big Bang Theory. A lot of diversity. You played a penguin in Forest of the Penguins. You have that saget fucking... Saget. The saget.

I was a penguin. You were a penguin in Force of the Penguins? Yes. That's one of the greatest casts in the history of fucking movies. Yeah, I was looking at it last night. He called in favors left and right. Yeah, no, really. And he probably made a gazillion dollars we never saw it coming.

He paid alimony bills with that fucking movie. Saget. You paid alimony bills with that fucking movie. Exactly. And you played a porn director in an episode of Law & Order. I did, yeah. That was good. How'd you research that one?

How'd you research that one? I didn't have to. That's a movie I have in my head. That's a movie I have in my head. I was in two Law and Orders. That's what you're allowed. Yes, yes, that's basically it. And as a computer geek, and I was also, I was like improvising while I was on there. You don't know how to use a computer. And I was like joking, cracking jokes and stuff.

And then the director walks over and he took me aside and he said, could you pull back a little bit? Because this episode is about a little boy who's been murdered. What was the other part, Gil? Other than the computer program. Oh, but I, well, I was a computer programmer both times. I remember another time I was on Law and Order. There was this pretty girl there, young actress,

and I knew she wasn't a regular. You didn't remember her name. You remember Hookah. Yeah. The pretty girl. Fuck, who knows, Lewis. That might have stuck somewhere in the crevices. It's a selective memory.

I said hello to her and I said, will you be playing a rape victim? Oh my God. And the girl looks at me with, like, smiling cheerfully, and she goes, no, I'm raped, but I live. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha Oh, wow. Gil, tell Lewis what happened when you auditioned for David Steinberg directed you, one of our podcast guests. Yes, David Steinberg, Jew.

And he was directing me on some show, I think Mad About You. And I had to say something and run off. And he yells, cut. And he goes, could you do it again, please? And make it a little faster. Run a little faster. And I said, yeah, I guess I could run faster. And he goes, no, no, I don't really want it faster, but more gracefully and then I said gracefully and he goes yeah not as choppy or awkward and he keeps and I'm getting more and more confused and he's getting frustrated not knowing how to tell me and then finally he stops and he sighs and he goes, can you run less Jewish?

Wow. And I knew immediately. That's good. We should start to wind down, and we'll take some questions. If anybody has any questions, we would love questions for Gil, questions about the show, questions for Lewis. Anybody? Okay, now you want to know who played Dr. Frankenstein's son?

Lionel Atwell. No, that was Sir to know who played Dr. Frankenstein's son? Lionel Atwell. That was, no, that was Sir Cedric Hardwick. Cedric Hardwick. Yes. He came up in the first week with Dick Cavett. Yes, yes. We have one right here. The English actor, Sir Cedric Hardwick, who was knighted.

Right. And he was a brilliant actor. An old English, a British actor. And I heard that he was having trouble getting an erection. He was having trouble with impotence so sir cedric hardwick used to introduce himself as sir seldom hard dick i stepped on your punchline question was here yes two things gilbert still hasn't sung before the end of this podcast he sings every week. I know. Yeah. We got to have that.

My question for Lewis is, could you tell us a little bit about meeting Kathleen Madigan and how your friendships began? We met in... Did everybody hear the question? Kathleen Madigan is a comic, a terrific comic, and a friend of Lewis's. And the question was, how did their friendship begin? When I first started going on the road as a comic, which was like 25, some 30 years ago, something, and I was in Chicago at a Catch a Rising Star. She was the opening act.

And we both, and the thing was, we played at a Hyatt Hotel, and the Hyatt Hotel had this bar, and the bar had, one of those bars behind it was like, you know, they had like ladders to go up. There was just not enough liquor in the universe at this Hyatt. So you had to actually, they had to climb ladders to get shit, because they had fucking tons of this stuff. And we both had a real affinity to, well, real affinity. I had a big affinity towards scotch. And I was going to drink every single malt scotch. Scotch gets applause.

Yeah, scotch gets applause. Initially, the Jew didn't get it. You had to beg for the applause. So we just hung out at the bar and talked and talked and she was I've seen maybe I don't know about you but I've seen three comics

who were naturals in my life who instinctively got it and she'd been on the road eight months and she was already pretty much a headliner and I'd never seen anybody that polished already and really funny, just instinctively funny and comfortable on the stage.

And we became friends. And then we went out for a couple of years. And that really didn't work because we were never together. We were both headlining and stuff. So we've been friends ever since. Very funny comic. Kathleen, yeah. She deserves much more attention than she gets. Kathleen Madigan.

Question right here, this gentleman. I'd love to hear Lewis's take on the aristocrats joke. We don't have time for that. You mean what Gilbert did? Oh yeah. What Gilbert did was, that's about as brilliant a moment as you're ever going to see.

For him, first off, I'll tell you this. Where was that? That was in New York? That was, yeah, the Friars. Okay, that's the first mistake. Because I'll tell you, the joke he told that they didn't laugh at was fucking funny. And it's funny, but it's not funny fucking here. But it's not funny fucking here.

But if he was in San Francisco and told that joke, they would have laughed at that joke. Because San Francisco, I went out three days after 9-11 and went to San Francisco. San Francisco is a town which is living ten years ahead of us. They're like on their own fucking planet. It was like they already, seriously, psychically, that 9-11 had already taken place in the mines of San Francisco 10 years before that. It's why they don't fucking live here. And I know this is hard for some of you to follow,

and I can tell by your kind of skewed attention toward me it's not that tough so I felt that the joke it was an insane place to do that joke didn't you have a friend?

Yeah, yeah. I said, the joke I said, it was a few days after September 11th. I know, yeah. And I said, I have to leave early tonight. I have to catch a flight to L.A. I couldn't get a direct flight. We have to make a stop at the Empire State Building. I couldn't get a direct flight.

We have to make a stop at the Empire State Building. Now, at no time did you think to turn... No! No! Because I did... It was three days after 9-11, and I I was in San Francisco and I said stuff that I could not have said here and the audience responded because I said stuff about Bush that I couldn't have said here I said that that I thought that what what Bush did was as far as I was concerned uh was he shows up three days afterwards and I went berserk about it. I went on stage for 50 minutes and just spewed.

Apparently, I don't really know really what I said there. Because it was none of my act. It was just, this is where I came from, and this is what happened. And then the President of the United States doesn't show up until three days afterwards. What a prick. And they got it. Because what are you doing three days afterwards what fucking what a prick what and even they and they got it because what are you doing three days later you fucking show up right fucking now you fucking asshole if you don't want us to be afraid you're like hanging away fuck you so that was the coming so

i'm allowed to say that there which is pretty fucking over the the top, and it's not even a joke. So, Lee, you got fucked. You were just in the wrong town. But it led to the aristocrats. But it led to that. I mean, but for you to... That recovery is extraordinary. I mean, that's an extraordinary recovery. I would not... I would have

actually... What I would have done was have somebody then hold a butter knife, and I would have run at it. Yes, right here. Is that a gentleman I see? Yes, right here. Wow, you are leading the witness, my friend. The question was, Gilbert, could you tell us how Paul Lind and what, General Patton?

Would feel about... About Gilbert and Lewis. Well, see, it turns out... I have it on good authority, having worked on Hollywood Squares, and some of the producers worked on the original and told me that Paul Lynn was like just the most vicious anti-Semite. Is that right? Yes, yes. Is that right? Yes, yes.

And he would like, they'd have all the celebrities there during lunchtime, all exchanging stories and having a good time. Paul Lynn would be bombed out of his skull. And he would get them more vicious. And he'd be sitting there going, Oh, those fucking Jews. Oh, Hitler should have killed all of them. They're the reason I don't have a career. And General George Patton,

who they say had a high-pitched voice. A high-pitched voice. You know, he didn't talk like George C. Scott. And he was a World War II general, a hero, and he helped us defeat Hitler. But they said his feelings about Jews were pretty much the same as Hitler's.

And General Patton used to say in his high-pitched voice, they should keep the Jews locked up in those camps. You should keep the Jews locked up in those cans. Hey, Gil. Real briefly, why don't you tell the other Paul Lynn story?

Because I'll bet we're taking requests. It's like Freebird. It's like Lynyrd Skynyrd. We're cigarette lighters. This story's been told on the show probably a long time. Now, I heard someone telling me they heard a different variation on it. Well, tell... See, I heard it was like in a barn that Pauline was going to be doing dinner theater. But then I heard a better version that he was in

the Solid Gold Dancer's dressing room. Which... The Solid Gold Dancers weren't there. And... But Paul Lynn walks into the Solid Gold Dancer's

dressing room and he says this place smells like cunt. And then he goes but don't take my word for it. It never gets old. Yes, there was one over there way in the back against the wall.

Yes. I love it. Right there in the back. Did you play a character in the movie Bad Medicine with Richard Pryor? No, no, no. That was with Steve Guttenberg, Julie Haggerty, and Alan Arkin. Wow. And my friend, Joe Grafazzi.

Yes, yes. Now, because you didn't say his name, he's here, and I'm going to have to fucking listen to him whine about it. Is he here? Is he actually here? Yeah, he is here. Joker, Fozzie. We're big fans. I had the wrong movie. Anyway, my character's

name was Tony Sandoval. That's terrific. Is that what you wanted to know? I don't remember. That's terrific. Is that what you wanted to know? I don't remember. Fantastic. I remember all of us you know like we did it in Majurid, the movie

and all of us were struggling with our bad Spanish accents. And in one part I had to say to someone who's wearing sneakers, the rules of the school, and I say, old shoes must be black. And it comes out in the film with my Spanish accent as, old shoes must be black. Who would cast you as a Spaniard?

Yes! That's mind-boggling. Other questions? Right in the middle, there, that left hand up. Question for Lewis. Lewis, how do you feel about Trevor taking over The Daily Show? How do you feel about Trevor taking over The Daily Show, Lewis? He may think he's taking over.

As long as I am present, really, I've always been, as far as I'm concerned, the show. And then they run this stuff for weeks and weeks and weeks around the show. It's one of the most unusual instances in the case of television. The other stuff would actually be longer than the real show itself. No, my feeling about, I don't know, Trevor, and the only thing that I've felt upset about was when they let Craig Kilbourne go, and when he left to, I guess, enter the ether. Yeah, where is he? I don't know. Where the fuck is he? I don't know. He's a Joe Grafazzi.

And they didn't really audition. They auditioned some of the folks at the show at that time, and they didn't audition me, and that kind of pissed me off because I just thought, you know, etiquette. You know, I'm on the show. I've been on the show from the beginning. I'm one of the first ones. You might don't.

You don't have to give me the fucking job. Just do a pretend thing. Pretend. Oh, no, it's not going to work out. That's what you do if you, you know, that's, it's social graces. And it's stuff that's just not seemed to be taught at the network. And this was, Trevor is kind of partly, Trevor's partly the choice of John and I guess, you know, and certainly

Comedy Central. But they, what I had said, what my agent had basically, what I asked for was, is I said, can I just take it over for three months and see what happens? And I, because I didn't really think I ever wanted to do more than three months.

Because it's fucking, it's that interview shit. No, I mean, and it really is. But you know, but you picked the people, but in a sense, you picked the people. But you know, you picked the people, but in a sense, you picked the people. And when I was first working and kind of breaking into Comedy Central, they had a radio thing, and I could interview comics, and they just brought me comics to talk to, and I loved it. But to sit there with, like, you know, Clara Hosewire,

who's in the new, you know, Duck Fuckers Part 6, you know, and I got to go, part six yeah what was it like on the set no what's Jimmy really like I don't care I don't give a fuck you know and I can't get through a book on my own let alone you're gonna hand me like the American presidency and it's like 700 pages long I could sit on it during the interview be taller I mean it just so so I knew that I was it wasn't something I like doing what I do but I'd like to have been given the three months and I thought what they should do is then really find someone that and and bring them in and in a sense they're doing something that look the good news is this that is as much as John is really find someone and bring them in. And in a sense, they're doing something. Look, the good news is this.

As much as John is really important to the show, and it is his show, the other engine of that show, and just as important, are the folks who wrote it and produced it. And the fact that he, Trevor, he's not coming in with a power base. It's not like someone who's got a well-known persona bringing in their own writers means that the engine stays in place. And if the engine stays in place, it's going to be fucking funny. It's not going to be what it was before, but I guarantee it's going to be funny

because we threw away, they throw away more funny stuff than most shows do. And that's just the truth so things will be fine now if I'm not on the show because of his entrance to the show then all bets are off and the show won't be on because the studio will be burnt to the ground. Is there a part of the room I neglected? And I want to announce I've just been fired as the lead duck in Duck Fuckers Part 6.

Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Yes, right here. I want to ask Lewis, if you ever encounter a well‑known comic you consider to be a complete and total hack, can't do that. I just won't. Can you? No. No, I mean, I do know people that I think are, it's not so much hacks, but fucks. That has a big effect. You know, like, don't just get the basic, you know, kind of, you got to be nice and

shit like that. It's not tough. It's really not hard to be nice. You're working, what are you, max, sometimes 50 minutes a night in a club? Really? That's fucking tough, you fucking asshole. So you know what I mean. There's people who act like they're God's fucking gift, the entitled ones.

There are a few of them around. Most people get it. It's a pretty good club to be a part of. We all appreciate what we do. Look, either way you cut it, for me, it's that these are if they did the work, then who am I to say? You know, they did the work, fuck it. I mean, I don't enjoy their comedy and that's that, but I don't like to call names, you know, point out people like that. I just don't. It's not call names, you know, point out people like that. I just don't.

It's not my nature, you know. Unless the money's good. Let me go to this side of the room. Do the last one. They're waving in the back. So one here is in the middle. Somebody's got their hand up. Do I see it?

A right hand? When did Gilbert last sing Dummy in the Window? You want to explain Dummy in the Window? What is this? You're going to be sorry you asked, though. No, I am seriously. Seriously, I feel this has been one of the most educational weeks of my life. It's like been a week.

I've learned more. I got to get home and write the notes down. Okay. There was a comedian by the name of Larry Raglin, this black comedian, who used to sing this song, Dummy in the Window. And since you wanted it. Today, I thought I saw a dummy in the window. I looked and it was you Wearing a new dress as usual Trying to look your best

Impossible Cause with you it's not really what you wear why don't you wash your face it's a disgrace today I thought I saw

a bear in the garden. And it was basically it. And it was you. Whatever happened to Larry Raglin? He was in Duck Fuckers. He got the role that I was fired from. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I can't. Where did you... Where was this song sung? At Catcher Rising Star. At the Rack. Oh, wow. God damn it. And I worked there and I missed it. They're giving me the light, Lou.

We want to plug... Anything you want to plug. You've got the Pixar movie coming out in June. Yeah, that's it. You know, I mean, really. So your career's swinging. Yeah, that's it. You know, I mean, really. So your career's swinging. Yeah, really, this will be good. I'll be in Traverse City, Michigan next week.

You may want to roll into Grand Rapids. You can catch me in Detroit next Saturday. You did a benefit for the Bill of Rights. Louis Black's Let Freedom Laugh. Yeah, we did a benefit. the Bill of Rights. Louis Black's Let Freedom Laugh. Yeah, we did a benefit. Why are they sick? And you can see that on AXIS TV, but you can't see it in New York, so fuck it. No, it's on.

It's on. Really? I DVR'd it. It's on AXIS in New York. Yeah, but what do you have? Time Warner. Time Warner has it? Excuse me, I have Vios.

Just make shit up. Vios. Time Warner doesn't carry it. I have Vios. So Pixar's Inside Out, you play Anger, opens June 19th. Opens June 19th, and this is the weirdest thing. I'm going to go. They're taking us, because this is something I never thought would happen in my lifetime. Just imagine this.

They're taking us to Cannes for the film festival. That's great. So it would figure it's just so perfect that I would get to go to Cannes for the film festival. That's great. So it would figure, it's just so perfect that I would get to go to Cannes and how would it happen? I get to go as a cartoon character. That's right. Lewis, I hope it's been educational. That was funny.

Lewis, I hope it's been educational. It is. Seriously. I'm going to call my mother and go through some of these things with her. Thanks for doing it. Thanks for coming on, everybody. We really appreciate it. Oh, you guys were great. Maestro. Maestro.

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