Gil's Arena - Andre Iguodala and Evan Turner GET REAL With Gilbert Arenas

Episode Date: August 17, 2023

Andre Iguodala and Evan Turner ENTER Gil's Arena to Talk Philadelphia 76ers drama, Jordan Poole’s potential, and NBA Leadership. They give Gilbert Arenas an UNFILTERED Conversation on their NBA Careers, James Harden and the 76ers, and winning rings with Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors. Gil’s Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GILSARENA and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena CHAPTERS: 00:00 - 00:38: Show Start 00:38 - 02:55 :Andre Iguodala Has Beef With Gil 02:55 -14:02 :Negotiating An NBA Contract 14:02-17:02 : Andre Iguodala and Evan Turner Enter Gil's Arena 17:02 - 21:22:Breaking Down The Point Forward Podcast 21:22 - 28:07 :Playing in Philly 28:07 - 40:52 :James Harden, Darryl Morey and Problems With 76ers 40:52 - 55:37 : Joel Embiid’s Work Ethic 55:37 -1:08:07 :Iggy On His Finals MVP 1:08:07 -1:13:40 : A Refs Impacts on The Game 1:13:40 -1:18:07 :Playing with Steph and Klay 1:18:07 -1:28:07 :Playing for Warriors and Heat 1:28:07 -1:32:42 :NBA Leadership Debate  1:32:42 -1:39:42 :Can Brown and Tatum Lead Celtics? 1:39:42 - 1:43:57 :What is Jordan Poole’s Ceiling? 1:43:57 -1:57:42 : Money Advice For Young Players Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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And over time, he be like, no, he do this all the time. I be told not to listen to the leaders. Then when they come out, you know, I haven't got an attitude problem. He ain't listening to nobody. No, I know exactly what I did in that series. So yeah, that's where it's supposed to be. At the house. At the house. At the crib.

Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Welcome! I got a gripe with Gil. Why come? What'd I do? Gripe. Gripe for what? You don't even remember.

What happened? So people don't know that Gilbert has been in this space for a while Gilbert was like one of the first NBA bloggers. Oh Zero yeah, people like players were like looking forward to it was like weekly or monthly We weekly it was weekly we were by reading that it was good Like you were on top of your game like And this is my problem with today's game. And we don't want to become those old guys that gripe about the young guys because it was done to us. But there was a different level of competition, I feel like, in previous generations.

And I feel like we have a competition problem right now because it's too much money. And you spoke about that every week. Like, I'm looking for this team. I can't wait for this game. I can't wait for this game. It was like every player in the league used to do that. I'm like, does that still happen? But on your Agent Zero blog, you were talking about me.

You were talking about Ben Gordon and somebody else who didn't sign their extension off their rookie contract. And you were talking about how Ben Gordon and myself were shooting ourselves in the foot, no pun intended. We already started. No pun intended. But you were saying like it's a bad business decision because I think I had 60 on the table and Ben might have had like 45, 50 on the table

or something else. And you were saying like we weren't in a position of leverage to not take the extension going into that year because the team has all the leverage and how they play call. You don't know young that a team can pretty much determine what type of season you have. And that's the real thing. But I've never forgot reading it. I'm like, why am I

making the wrong decision? But it ended up working out for kind of the both of us. It worked out. But I always remembered that, which is pretty funny. But I thought it was really good insight. And so the angle you spoke at it, it wasn't disrespectful, but it was funny. And then I remember feeling some type of way like,

wait, am I missing something here? But I mean, you probably would have done the same thing. of way like, wait, am I missing something here? But, I mean, you probably would have done the same thing. Yeah. Listen, when I used to sit with, like, the owner and general managers just on deals, and you know how you hear horror stories, right? Yeah. And I remember I hit Buddy Hill.

That's Buddy Hill, right? Yeah, Buddy Hill, Sacramento. And he was mad's Buddy Hill, right? Yeah, Buddy Hill, Sacramento. And he was mad about that deal, right? He was turning it down. And I hit him in the DM. Hold on, bro. Like, this is supposed to be the best time of your life. This is you about to change your family's life, right?

So I know y'all off about $10 million. Do not be the dude that turns down this money and you go back to this team. Because this is business, right? I said, you go back to this team and they're looking at you like you're trying to get moe? I'm going to sit you down. Now they got you for cheap, right? I said, now you become that bitter dude that's chasing his money the rest of his career. I said, just relax.

I said, look, this is your age. Boom. I said, so at your age, right, this is who you're comparable with. Stop looking at the 18 and 19. That's not your class. That's not your class. You're the best person in your draft, but not for that age.

So your age is, you know, Bill, Cat, they're all stars. So now we're looking at a 25-year-old who's not an all-star. Right. C.J. McCullough. It's a C.J. McCullough's contract. That's about fair. So I said, you know, so put everything in perspective,

but you're supposed to be happy right now. True. I said, you're supposed to be happy, man. Like, don't let this motherfucker just trick you. And then what ended up happening? He got bench got mentioned next year anyway. Yeah. Yeah, and yeah, I know he was like god damn. I'm glad I signed that money No, that's real cuz it happened to Shabazz Muhammad and Minnesota. Remember he rejected like 44 50 million He's playing behind Wiggins is actually terrible to do and in the next year literally only play late 12 minutes out the league You don't know where man says that now That's actually terrible to do. And then next year, literally, you only play like 12 minutes out the league.

You don't know where man's is at now. It's tricky. Like, I remember when I came, when I'm renegotiating my deal, right? So I'm sitting there. And everybody's like, yo, you going to opt out? And I'm like, no, I don't think so, right? I don't think so. But in my mind, I'm like, I already know.

Like, I can feel this. This ain't the same no more. Like, I ain't going to be able to. Nah. I said, the only way I can get that bag or secure a bag is if I opt out. They're going to have to sign me for something. Right. You know, I got about 15, 17 left.

If I opt out, shit, if I can get to 35, I'm good. Shit, that's how I'm thinking. Just grab full five more million. It don't really matter at that point. So I was like, the only way I'd do that is if I opt out,

if I stay back in and I don't play no more, they have all the leverage. I have all the leverage right now. Yeah. Right? So that was the only reason I opted out.

If not, I would've stayed in. So what'd you think happened with Schroeder? Because I'm still confused on that one. I thought the market was just so tight so pause or crazy No, I'm saying when you break that down Are you said I think when it comes to all that money dudes get too much into their own head, you know He said he was never actually offered That money. That's why I'm confused

Who said he was never actually offered that money. That's why I'm confused Who said he wasn't? Who said he was? They threw it order say he was never offered the 70 because that's what it was right like a like four for 84 something like that much, but you know, but you know most of our deals go through the agent and We find out when to get to a certain number. Yeah, and You know probably when it got to a certain number. And, you know, probably when it got to a certain number, his agent was like, nah, that's disrespectful. Right?

So. That was tough. I mean, it's still. Kind of like the Oladipo thing, you know, unfortunately. And he's hopefully he heals up. But he was two for, remember, was it two years, 40 million? Or something like that with the Houston Rockets? No, it went from like 100 to 80 to a 40.

Yeah, something like that. Two years, 80 million or something. He kept saying no, no, no or something weird. Yeah. You know, you gotta have you know, you gotta have self-awareness on who you are too, right? Like what type of piece are you actually for this group, right?

Like who are you? Yeah. Like in a big in a big scheme of things. Like age, personality, position, work ethic. Because, you know, everything accounts for. Like, you got to really know. Let's go back to the Bulls then when Ben didn't get his extension, right? Mm-hmm. What piece was he to that team, right?

The Wild got 70. He was averaging 20. And we've been waiting for a two guard ever since. And it's like, where did he place? Because it was like, they offered him 50. Yeah, we were missing a two guard during the whole time we were championship contenders. Well, the Bulls were.

With D. Rose, we were all dang all those guys. But we had, shout out to Ronnie Brewer, but Ronnie Brewer was a two man at the time. 100%. And that was after you know. But Ben Gordon was going crazy. 0-9 final, like 0-9 first round. 6-1, 6-2. But that's why he turned it down because he's like,

I'm doing more than Luau. Y'all giving him 70. I know, but that's why I said you have to have self-awareness. Right, well, okay. Because you're a little guard. You're a little guard, right? You're not Derrick Rose, right? You're a little guard. You're a little guard right you you you're look you're not you're not there grows right you're you're a little guard you're one two Are you worth 80 mil, but that deal was before D Rose, but what I'm saying is

Are you worth 80 minute compared to your position versus everyone? He's probably arguing to we forget this and shout out to Captain Kirk Captain Kirk was getting he was dollar. But he's a point. I totally dig you, but D. Rose is right there and Ben Gordon, you know, bro, 20 is 20. 20 is 20. 20 is 20. But that's the

secret. 20 ain't 20 for everybody. That 0-9 playoff run, it was 30. But that's what I'm saying. Woo! He was holding his jaw every time. Right, you're an investor. Are you going to invest in six foot to six two that has to play the

shooting guard, or someone that's six five to six eight that can play one, two, three? You're absolutely right. We're just at the edge. Like when it comes to the hoop part, right, we thinking 20, 20, that should be able to get the same money. But there's, you know, anyway, that's what I said. If he was a point guard, then maybe. But the fact that he was a two guard, you're the smallest two in the league, right, you're expendable.

But are you going from the starter's perspective or just using him both in a starter position and bringing him off the bench, being able to be both sides? It don't matter. You're a shooting guard. You're the guy who has to guard Kobe. You're actually, what you are is... He doesn't have to guard Kobe.

No, because we have to put our point guard on Kobe. We have to put the wild on Kobe. That's what you're here for, to play defense. But that's what I'm saying. Why can't you stick him? Because we play small. That's not our point guard on Kobe. We have to put Luau on Kobe. That's what you're here for, to play defense. But that's what I'm saying. Why can't you stick him? Because we play small. That's not what I do, Kobe. That's not what I do.

But now you see why he would get screwed in the big picture thing. Because, like, we can find anybody who can put up 20. Just taller. Yeah, but we did it. I know you did. Yeah, we did it. And every single time we were 20. Now, we did it. And every single time we were 20...

Not we. The Bulls at that time. You were a fan. You were a fan. They were 20 points away or like an automatic bucket. Shout out to Johnny Salmon for coming on a little bit.

But we needed somebody like... Bro, Ben don't miss. At that time, Ben was not missing. No, no. He was not in the playoffs. Yeah, literally a problem.

And like... And Pargo coming off that. Yeah, it was- But I look at them type of situations where when he's getting that offer and he turned that down, it kind of fucked up. It was a domino effect that everyone looking for the bag, these producing at that level that didn't get it. Like y'all was saying, the domino effect became,

nah, I'm going to wait. And then everyone that didn't get read up, he ended up in Detroit taking way less than what was offered. And then he just fizzled out. And it's like everyone did that. Not a lot of guys that were supposed to get that bag got the bag because they thought

it was worth more than what it was instead of taking that advice. It's just taking what taking it and then trying to use it. The other way that works as well, our homie we use him all the time, Lou Will. Sometimes you, to average what he averaged for the past eight or nine, I had a

conversation with him. I'm like, man, shoot. They gave me 18. I was averaging nine. If I average 18 a game, I want 50 million a night. It's like, you know what i'm saying like i i need that so i don't know what you're talking to him about but like right up see but but see that your value is higher yeah i can play you at the one two three for sure but how he's being used the clippers though at that time is some of those teams

i mean three six minutes of the year you talk about numbers going into the front office like jam Jamal Crawford never got a big number ever. No, it's because they handicapped the six-man. Yeah, like So when I came in so when I when I got drafted, I'm coming as a tweener, right? So I'm more of like a shooting guard and I'm sitting here. I'm Just riches is getting that's what Oh Vince Carter. Right, we got Vince Carter, we got Tino Mobley, we got Finley, and we sitting there like, bro, you ain't even go against Kobe T-Mac yet.

Big Alec, we ain't even seen him yet. He's like, I know, bro, this shit difficult over here. And I was like, oh. And I'm sitting there like, we's joking, but I like, I can't play in this league right, so I like If you can't you like you and then I started looking at the points Sweet sweet sweet

Pass me a pass into the big guy McDaniels. Yeah. Bobby Sir was doing triple doubles back in the day. Yeah, so Bob. Straight up. Yeah, so he was like a combo. Yeah. So I end up, like, so my second year, we were supposed to, we were fighting for the starting position.

We were fighting for the starting position going into training camp. Yeah, blonde hair and everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because they kept calling him, we're the real slim, shady, police thing. Yeah. It's small. Yeah, yeah hair and everything. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because they kept calling him, um, real slim, shady, police thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he hit the, like, he'd throw the ball at the scoreboard.

I told y'all stop playing that shit. Oh, yeah, no, no. He was the coolest dude, but that's why I went to the point. Because as a big point, my value was higher. Yeah, yeah. Did you think they would have paid me $111 as a shooting guard back then? It was tweening. Ben Gordon, it was in that time frame.

Like, you're going to get paid that now. But like the C.J. McCullers, what am I going to put you at? The one or the two? The Eric Gordons, that's the Ben Gordon. That, you're going to have to pick and most likely go to the one. Well, that was some amazing Let me do my house you got with the lingering we appreciate But you know we 10 minutes deep, but either way,

Steel Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Got the Legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. What's up, man? Got Rashad McCaskill here with us. And as you see, we got two legendary guests making their first debut on the show. First off, four-time NBA champ, 2015 Finals MVP. May or may not be coming back for his 20th season.

We're going to try to figure it out by the end of this. May or may not. You see up here. May or may not. May or may not. It's like the only person that knows something is over there. Andre Grudala in the building. We also got 2010 college play. Yeah, all that Bear Down shit.

We got to. Damn, man. We need some ruins in here. Yeah. We got to get Hollins on the show. We got to get Hollins on the show to defend his honor, man. Y'all play around too much. But we got 2010 college play to your former number two overall pick, played 10 years

in the league, Evan Turner. You can catch them both on their Point Forward podcast. We have to do that part or I'm going to get cussed out. If I don't mention the podcast, I'll be forgetting to mention it. I'm grateful. My job is done. What you been up to lately?

Oh, shit. You know me doing me. You know me. But I got to mention that or I get cussed out by my higher-ups, my masters, if you will. But we got some things to discuss and get into as we already were. But before we get into all that, as always, show brought to you by Underdog Fantasy.

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You tell me to send in my pigs and then when you start winning you on sending Yo, please Want to win by Want to put the rhythm And as always you can't watch the show live go ahead and watch it on Spotify Apple wherever you get your podcast in addition to The point for a podcast there with these two gentlemen so Jerry before they got into it Did you say you coming what's going on you back? You retired? We need one more. We can use you in the purple and gold. Man, I've been

busy. We need that vet leadership. I've been busy. So when I get an opportunity to actually think about it, I'll have a decision. No, I've been busy this summer, man. I've been home for like 14 days all summer. Been all over the earth. So business is going well right now, or

I shouldn't say that. Business is going right now. Okay. In our world, going is good. So business is going well right now, or I shouldn't say that. Business is going right now. Okay. In our world, going is good. Okay. Yeah. Working on a few things, and so we'll see how it goes. You still working on staying in shape?

What you thinking? I'm African, so we don't never get out of shape. That's one thing I ain't never had to worry about was getting in shape. And then my son, he don't like me talking about him, but he's taller than me right now. So I got to remind him that I still got it. I always mess with him. I say, listen, I ain't playing for the Warriors right now.

I'm playing for me. You're going to see how nice I was. Uh-oh. I'll be tearing his ass up. But he can hoop now. I got to play for real. I got to stretch now. He's got to stretch now.

I'm like, oh, I got to play for real now. And he can hoop a little bit. So we talked about a lot of current former players, got podcasts. Let's just talk about a little bit how y'all podcasts came together and what makes the Point Forward podcast so unique. Shoot. We always talked about it. I mean, we kick it regardless.

So usually by the time we get done hanging out, we're usually in a room like this. So most of our conversation was kind of like, man, dope we should do a podcast type shit and um after pandemic everybody need mom was doing the podcast so we're like sign us up right they're doing it but they're not doing it correctly no no correct and i think one thing that occurs is like you know the mission that you want to get on but the camaraderie like this is thorough this is real so at the same time it's not like a money grab or a force. It's two dudes really having a real convo

and keeping it real. And I think that's what is usually missed in this element. Like, you guys are great at it. You know, the camaraderie is huge and the chemistry

and we've just been carrying that over and trying to do something that's real to ourselves. So most people are doing basketball pods and we might cross over and get businessmen.

We had Robert Smith. We had SBF's on there. Before he got locked up. So we had... I bet some of that he was going to the Brooklyn jail. Was that fake news or was that real? You need to go to Rikers. That's real?

He going to the Brooklyn jail? I thought somebody said. Hey, you're going to learn about some crypto. That's wild. He's going to learn about that. But, so where did the relationship

start with the Sixers or how did y'all come together? I know y'all both from Illinois, obviously Chicago, but you went to Springfield a little bit. Yeah,

so I started off and then he's a great storyteller. But I had heard, I watched him in college His sophomore year you went back at the junior junior, right? So I was watching him in sophomore year I'm like, huh? This kid is six seven played a point and so point I like those type of players And so he's in Chicago that summer At Tim Grover's working out and so I introduced myself was like yo, we exchanged numbers. I'm be watching you fam Like, you know, I knew he's gonna be lottery the next year. I was like, yo, we exchanged numbers. I'm going to be watching you, fam. Like, you know,

I knew he was going to be lottery the next year. I'm like, whatever you need, let me know. Like, just, you know, he's a good kid. And it's funny because who was our coach?

Eddie. Your coach. Eddie Jordan. Eddie Jordan was our coach the next year in Philly. And we ain't win too many games with the Princeton offense with Elton Brand at the four.

And you need to stretch four. And he'd be like, give me the ball on the block. What am I doing on three-point line? So we only won 23 games that year, 27 games that year. So we ended up getting a lottery pick. And we ended up drafting Evan. I remember seeing him in Chicago, walking down Michigan. We went and dapped him up right before the draft.

And then that was a draft lottery night. Yeah, a draft lottery. And then we get the number two pick and we ended up drafting him. And then you can tell the story from there of how we didn't get along. Yeah, no, I was obviously like just an immature kid.

And Dre was an immature adult. So when you mix that in and stuff, I was easy to pause, turn on in a sense of a reaction. And this man would always just get me out of a reaction. So at one point, I'm like, oh, yeah, I'm just about done fucking with you. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, yeah, don't take me wrong to see this going. And we'd be up and down or whatever. And I just remember I told a story.

We were playing in the playoffs versus heat and uh you know one day we had played one-on-one like seven or eight games straight and uh clearly we always had great respect for him i think after that when we played we were able to win the next day and shit we were just like yo how the hell we've been fake beefing all year the game been so easy that we've been helping each other Why why the hell we didn't do this way sooner? You know, I mean Cuz we're exact same person so like if it came down and like I Laugh me I'm had the same personality on the shit. Like you know I'm saying or like we had the same vibe So from there we able to build a brotherhood and it's just been just been rolling ever since we blame Philly though Yeah, 101 does it every time you?

Really brought him in and I think they handed him the French He speaks on it all the time so I can speak on it. They handed him the team like here and and you know, we We're so close that we would have conversations like man such-and- such is telling me not to listen to you. Or such and such is telling me not to rock with you. Don't do this or stay away from here. Players, coaches. Coaches are coming in and be like, don't listen to him. Do you understand what I'm saying?

I mean, this is the first real time we ever told this. So I used to be in the back and they'd be like, yo, he's immature, don't listen. I'd be told not to listen to the leaders. Then when they come out, I haven't got an attitude problem, he ain't listening to nobody. Like all this goofy stuff. I'm be like yo, he's immature don't listen. I'll be told not to listen to the leaders Then when they come out, you know, I haven't got an attitude problem. He ain't listening nobody like all this goofy stuff. I'm like yo You whole ass nigga. You just told me Okay, I used to never say to my okay bet so before he knew it it was a lot of It's a lot of you know divide and conquer type situation in Philly that occurred. And one thing that occurred that wasn't realistic, it's just you have to listen to the elements and listen to the players.

My agent saying, yo, you're going to come in and take this dude's spotlight. Bro, this is Iguodala, dog. This is an all-star. He began at the beginning of his prime. Somebody signed him at $82 million. Whatever else is going on like the first real conversation I had from it was Rod Thorne being like yo you can't beat him out I don't trade good players so like figure it out like that big dog like you're no longer in college

this is like the real world if you can't beat him out or is this in a third we're gonna work together figure it out but like I think during that time it's a lot of stuff that you learn but at the end of the day I think you know you can't let people get in between his brotherhood I'm saying you know it's funny like people don't realize that most of the problems that's in locker rooms is on created outside yeah right I did create it from outside someone's talking like you know that that I hate that sources say right as a player you got the Reporters you talk to you got the reporters you talk to and that's where the beef crew

Yeah, it starts right it starts from the dumb shit from the outside and I remember when John Wall when we cuz we got Right and you know, I was we I'm on demonside, hair off, I got my beard and shit. Looking like I'm from the 70s. Right? 70s, 21-year-old. Right? You know them niggas looking. Yeah.

And anytime you rich and scruffy, you dangerous. Like, that's how you're going to get fucked about. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Right? So, I remember when I came, I'm not talking no personnel, came to training camp, seen the furthest head means. Oh my god, man big fan this and this and I'm sitting here like Damn I was ready to beef with you brother

I was ready to give you all the smoking too because they want to give you this team and I wasn't gonna let this motherfucker Ride without a fight and then that first handshake I said This show team do I want snow park that's no argument no nothing whatever you say go don't listen to none of them right they don't a 18 this is this is this who you listen to now I listen to because I know how that game play right it was gonna start off me go at him they have they find a reason to bench me trade me get me the fuck out of here because I'm not fucking with the future.

So I let that shit be known in training camp. Now I'll go to the second team, I'll come off the bench. I'll come off the bench, boss. I got my buddy, what the fuck y'all gonna do? Shit, I got 88 still. No, that's real. You know what's crazy though? When you say they was telling you not

to listen to him, you actually had the team for a few years when you got to 82. Niggas forget you was the second AI. It was handed to you the way they wanted to hand it to him. Right. And so it's like, I always talk about how niggas forget certain niggas games. Like this dude, Dre, was really that nigga. So for you to come in and be that, you know what I'm saying, the next tier, and for them to say, don't listen to him. Was they saying that to you about AI? No, they weren't saying that to me about AI. But the situation with AI in Philly was already what it was.

He wanted to get traded before that. They got documentaries. Right before they went to the finals in 2001, he was saying it was me or Larry Brown. So they had that situation. And in Philly, I had five, six coaches in eight years. So every year, that was the hardest part. Every year, you got to prove yourself. I'm like,

this is kind of, this is getting exhausting. Every year I got a coach telling me like, this is the way I see your game. You only been, Eddie Jordan's only there

for eight, six months. Next coach, this is your idea, my idea of your game. Next coach, this is my idea of your game. I'm like,

this is getting exhausting. Yeah, then we had a coach come in, you know, with Lou Will, Dre, who else? Nikola Vucevic. Drew Holiday. Drew Holiday.

So we don't have anybody on this team to go get 20. At best, we probably have people averaging 13. That's literally what he said. There's nobody talented enough in here to go get 20. Wow. So when you start mixing up, and we did have some success and stuff, but it goes back to just knowing what you know. You know what I'm saying?

And, like, I think some of our biggest successes was when we did join together and be like, fuck whoever we're talking about. We're just going to try to win. And, you know, I think that was what reverted best for that. That was, and people, I tell people this all the time. Like, I won four championships with the Warriors, and I have close relationships with them.

Like, close. They're my guys. But I have just as close, or if not even closer, relationships with that Philly team just because everything we saw. Like, we saw some wild stuff. We saw somebody throw their keys in. Yeah, like crazy shit. Yeah, yeah.

That was crazy. We ain't seen two old dudes ask what the fuck you want to do type shit. Are you ready to square up? Two OGs, two 70-year-olds, you got to break them up. In the front office, like wild stuff where you're like, damn, like okay, this is the league. This is the league, right? But, you know, to attest to that and, like, how thorough it is,

and, you know, I would be remiss to not, you know, tip my hat. But, like, sometimes, you know, a cream rises to the top. And, like, even when they're trying to give Dre shit up, you know, the level of what it is and, you know, what you think you deserve is two different levels. So I only played 10 years, and you know what I mean? Woo after bam, Dre went on to play 20. And at four, you know, 19, four NBA championships. I got a feeling it's going to be 20.

Yeah, yeah. I'm just going to have to report it. That's what I'm saying. But like a Hall of Fame situation where, you know, at the end of the day, sometimes it's just different levels. And you have to really attest to that. But we got so two former Sixers here so we got to talk about because it seemed like which I'll talk about back in the day ain't shit really changed.

Crazy right? Ain't shit changed. Biggest news this week Harden going at Daryl Morey and the Sixers during his tour in China. Let's take a trip back down memory lane and see what Harden had to say. Daryl Morey is a liar. And I will never be a part of an organization that he's a part of. Let me say it again. Daryl Morey is a liar. And I will never be a part of an organization that he's a part of.

Woo! Woo! I feel like you gotta prep people for that type of announcement. You just can't come out. It's like randomly flashing somebody. It's like, no, you gotta... Everybody gotta be watching. You know what I mean?

That was his camera. Somebody asked him a question. It's like, what do you think about the... In China, he was on his tour. Somebody asked him a question. He just went in. He went in. Just in case y'all didn't hear it the first time, the the English the language barrier. I'm gonna get for the funniest shit is the cheers

It's funny because I mean if this in China, you know what Here's where I this is where I'm trying to figure out my voice. I'm in the business tech world and ET's like, man, I need you to relax. Just be yourself. I sit on this board. I sit on this board. I just got on a new board which is

pretty big. I have to pause. I have to be careful on how I present things but I will say about this is How much money was said to be lost by Darryl's comments? some years back 2020 a couple billion, right?

It was about nine hundred million the time of the business or the time you're doing this in China Where Darryl more assess himself about Hong Kong before they went out to play the games. And so I'm always telling people, know what your leverage is. The same thing, you always say that. When you go into a contract negotiation, know what your value and how you can leverage yourself. Know what opportunities you have on the other side,

like to your safety net. What is James' safety net? Daryl Morey has a history with China where he can say something and the backlash from what he says, it may not be any because there is a history there with Morey and China.

So it was a great move out of leverage by James. because there is a history there with Maury and Chyna. So it was a great move out of leverage by James. One, because it's going to be hard to discipline James because what did he do wrong, right? And James is going to sell some shoes. That's ultimately why he's over there. And so, you know, we're so quick to say, what did he say? He said disgruntled player because Kyrie,

he had James back because the headline from Woj was disgruntled player James Harden. It's like, why is he disgruntled? Why isn't the front office ever disgruntled? You know, they always put players in a certain light. And what you're hearing a lot now is players have too much power because we're getting smarter and smarter because we know how to move

and we know how to say certain things and we know how to use our leverage because when we make mistakes, it's used against us, correct? But when they make mistakes, we've never put ourselves in the position to use their mistakes against them as well. And I just think he just had a perfect opportunity to repeat himself. I think we're learning a new playbook. They're still using the same old playbook that they've been using for years and years. So most likely what happened here, I kind of know what happened. They promised him if he takes a pay cut, they'd pay him back on the back end.

So take a pay cut to come here. And when it's time to re-up, we'll give it back to you. Probably like a Haslam type of deal. But that's not legal according to the CBA. That's their argument. I'm just playing devil's advocate. No, no, no, true. But that's not legal according to the CBA. Yeah. That's their argument. I'm just playing devil's advocate. No, no, no, true. But, you know,

but it's like a handshake. It's basically, you know, handshake type deals. Like, you know, hey, we got, you know, Bosch, all this coming in. You know, you're going to have to take a pay cut,

but we'll take care of you, you know, when you start winding down, we'll make sure you, you know, get compensated back. Right? That's, you know, how that deal is so here

I think it was the same thing where you take the pay cut now when you re-up We'll make sure we give you all your money and not it. I want to and that's what he's like Oh, y'all fucking cheated me y'all y'all lied. Well. I want to be here no more But he still technically got to go to work or oh no he ain't going But he won't do but he won't get or oh no he ain't going but he won't but he won't get paid oh no yeah they don't do the same shit they try to do with ben but that's what's gonna fuck them that's what's gonna fuck them up we already seen this playbook yes we seen what you did to ben it worked against ben it's not gonna work again right you're not gonna bring him in the training camp right he got a phone in his pocket water bottle we're gonna suspend him for you're not gonna you're not gonna bring him into training camp, right? He got a phone in his pocket water bottle. We gonna suspend him for you're not gonna do that shit again

Right leave and we caught on Right, we caught on to the whole scheme. You're gonna try to you know, discipline him He gonna say he's mentally mentally folk, you know, and then his back on her We even do the same shit But you're gonna try that not pay the man his money and try to use the money as leverage. Regardless. Is the process done now? Yes.

Done? Yes. I'm just saying. They got to trade him now. He's still processing. Me and Dre always say this. We were two minutes away from going to the Eastern Conference Finals 2012. Rajon Rondo, his two threes down the stretch.

That's back in 2012. You know, we only shot 11 threes at the time Rondo only made three on a year probably shout out the playoff Rondo though like a thousand percent so when you sit there we trade everybody off we say these dudes reach the peak Dre was 27 Lou Willis like 26 I was 23 Drew was 22 Nikola Vucevic was on the bench, whatever. Go on, we keep screaming, process, process, process, process. Keep going on. The closest I guess they probably got into the championship was what, the Kawhi Leonard?

Kawhi Leonard. So what was that, another game seven? Yep. Round two. So since then, all the hype, all the hoopla, dumbass Philly people think they're cheering for a new regime that's unbelievable, and all they did was give over a billion dollars to the exact same mid-shit. You know what I mean?

Man. You want to know who's the genius in the front office? Or whatever it is. You know what I'm saying? But isn't that wild? No, it is. It's been 10 years. But there's a reason.

Money bought it. But there's a reason that some teams just don No, it is. It's been 10 years. But there's a reason. Money bought it. But there's a reason that some teams just don't get it right. Like, you got to be brilliant. You got to really know basketball. Like, you got to know what you're looking for, what pieces work well with what your vision is. And sometimes it's more about names than versus, like, what is a complete team? Like, me and Calvin Booth used to sit on the bus, on a bench, talking about, like, you know, LeBron, what kind of player you think he is. Like, we over here talking about LeBron.

LeBron, we see the day. We was talking about that shit in 2005. Like, what do you think his last year gonna look like and we'll be I'm like shit, maybe 1965 Who you think? He's like, oh no, he might be at the 23 25. We were sitting there doing that then right so Watching the team he has makes perfect sense Because that's how his brain works. Right? So when you're talking about building teams, you got to see who's the cook.

Who the fuck is the cook? Like if the cook can't cook, then y'all just going to be spending money just on bad food. But we knew that. Shout out to Calvin Booth. We knew that. We knew Philly was going to be bad chefs in the kitchen cooking up bullshit food, but

we call it the process, right? It's processed food. You got the processed food in there. Y'all selling the hot dogs and sausages and shit. No, no, no, no, no. That might be the bar of the year right there. I'm just saying. I like that one.

I called it a long time ago. I said, man, James Harden going to Philly with Doc Rivers. After what they did to Ben with Daryl up there, disaster. Who the coach in Philly now? Sixers fans, Philly fans. Nick Nurse is the coach. Yeah, Nick Nurse. We're talking about the team, not the city of Philadelphia.

Yes, we are talking about the city of Philadelphia. Well, shit. Don't do are talking about the city of Philadelphia. Oh, shit. World shit. That's our arm. World shit. Don't do that, Evan. Don't do that. Don't do that. I mean, that's wrong.

Don't do that. I'm just joking. I'm just joking. Don't add that neither. No, no. Don't add that either. I'm trying to go outside. We can't go nowhere.

I remember speaking through my boy Jermaine, who's good with Elton and I remember I Wrote I wrote something to him Jermaine a jeweler. Yeah I wrote him I Was basically telling me there's gonna get skunked in in Boston. I thought you thought I was bullshitting Right. Yeah, I'm betting at the time. This is before underdog. We don't bet on underdogs. We merely do pickups.

I'm betting, so I'm looking at the lines, looking at, and I'm like, they're not going to win the game. I'm not going to win the game. So I wrote it, boom, boom, boom. I'm like, y'all ain't going to win. You know, you fucked up with Jimmy Yeah, that was your actual alpha that you're lazy alpha. Yeah. Yeah. It was like Kobe to Shaq

Yeah, since right right without without without having someone who did you know demands greatness? You you let the lazy one his talent is gonna always over exceed but it's not gonna be good enough to go to top Yeah, so I was like you fucked up there, right? And then when he was talking about coaches, right and when he went with doc Tyrone Lewis was to have that team. Yeah. Yep. I live in I this true story doc sent Tyrone Lou to Philly

Lobby form Lobby form. This is your guy. This is a great coach. This is going to be good for you guys. Game, this was a game seven. Doc found out he was getting fired.

That bubble run, right, Kawhi Leonard. That's the Nuggets? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was mad. Kawhi's mom like... That's the Nuggets? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was Matt. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Kawhi's mom, yeah, wasn't having that shit. Playing golf, they talking about the golf game and not the game game.

Oh, nah. Right? So he knew he was getting fired. Called Philly and said, yeah, I want the job now. I said, ooh. That's power for your ass. I said, hey, you get backdoored like that,

ain't nothing good gonna to happen from that. I said what's going to happen is he don't know how to coach a Ben Simmons type, and the city's going to turn on Ben because you don't know how to tap into that type of potential. You've got to understand basketball to know what that type of player brings. Yeah. And Doc don't. It's showed in history.

He don't know how that player works, he's gonna turn on him and then once you get rid of him You might as well get rid of him beat and start over. Mm-hmm. I mean So who he's trying to get Cooper flag If you don't get one I'm too it's over for the next 10 years It's over for the next thing you always do just gonna be spitting out money to MB Cuz he's to do good enough to get a match. The personality, they love him. It's his

city. Don't get it twisted. If you need something to really keep it going, he's keeping the lights on. What I'm saying is as a city, okay, cool. As a city, cool. We got AI. Cool. He's not the same type of force as ai

was that's gonna give you a hundred miles an hour every game but you know if you're talking about okay we're gonna put people in the seats style very cool but y'all ain't gonna win and i hope y'all don't have inspirations as a coach i hope you ain't firing 52 coaches because the the record is gonna be fucked up like no know what your team is I can't win alone if he's my alpha. So what do you do if you're Joel? Hmm Joel does he plant does he want to win like they he needs a Dane? Mentality shit he fuck around needed He need a Westbrook style. Yeah, that's bro. Like he needs a Westbrook style. Yeah, Westbrook. Like, he needs a Westbrook.

Right? Someone who's going to demand, like, oh, we're not doing that shit. Like, he's going to need that type of personality because Joel... Well, who's the young guy? He's the type of...

Because he is the type of person that does step up to that type of environment. But if the environment's not there, it's just his environment. Do you think there's a similarity between him and Dwight? Nah.

No. Nah. What was the difference between the two? Dwight was, like Dwight goes hard. Yeah, Dwight was mean. Practice, like practice, like you better wear, like you better wear football, like, what's his name? Damn, big dude. It was big dude who was the backup center. Etan? No. Damn, big dude. It was a big dude who was the backup center. E-Town? No.

No. Not Pat Garrity. No, it was 2009. Don't we yet? No, 2009, 2010. Oh. Oh, he had a Jordan tattoo. Or Gortat.

No, no. It wasn't Gortat. He was gone. He was gone. Damn. But he had to wear, you know the little rubber. We're going to figure it out. You know the little rubber like for yoga blocks?

Yes. He had to tape a yoga block to his chest. I believe that. You said 9, 10? It wasn't Gortat? No. 10, 11. 10, 11? All right. C.G. you fucking up. I'm sorry.

It's all good. We coming back. It was Gortat, wasn't it? Gortat was still there. No. We got traded. Am I. I don't know where you were It was Malik Allen. Okay, he was hurry Malik Malik Allen had to wear the rubber thing had the tape it you just had this bulge out because when Dwight Yeah, when the elbow was messing off. Yeah, he was hurting that dude, right? But that's how practice was so like the white was like, he was 500 push-ups a day.

Like, he was an animal. Yeah. But he was just playful. So, what as far as expectations go? His expectations was limited because, so, when I got there, it was just, he was just tapping into offense. So, mostly, he was just a defensive juggernaut. Yeah. Right?

And that year where, you know, me, Jason Richardson, Turk Alouk's back, you got Jameer Nelson, you got, you know, Bass, you have J.J. Redick, Ryan Nelson. Ryan Anderson. Yeah, Ryan Anderson. We got Duhan, and we have Quinn Richardson. So you got a team.

Yeah, solid. Shooting team. So his offense was easier, right? So he got a team. Yeah, solid. Shooting team. So his offense was easier. So he dominated offense more. So he was like turning the corner on the offense. But coach. Stan. Stan wouldn't let him be a leader.

Right. So instead of being a leader, he became more of a pacifier. Just baby and dudes. So he became like the friend. But if he said, yo, hey, man, play motherfucking harder, everybody would go, all right, shit, motherfucker. So in comparison to the two, no one's telling Joel to play harder because he don't have the type of team that you guys had in Orlando

where he needs the accountability. Yeah, but I think the culture sometimes, too, when he came in, he was so lovable and everything like that, not in a certain instance. But just being there early on, I don't think there was a – they were just grateful to have Joel. You know what I mean? And to be honest with you, like, you heard some of the things the first couple of seasons of his work ethic or how he felt.

You know, he wasn't really held to a high accountability, but they also knew what type of level and what type of player he was, which he reached it, but the choice of coming out and playing hard every single night sometimes might, outside looking in, might not always be at a priority. Right. And that's, but that's, that's, that's... That's talent, too. I mean, he's talented as fuck.

But that's the thing, that we I had Andre Blach Right and if you ever played with would you play with Dre played against him? You'd be like God do's talented It's like lazy but Become it comes so there's something like it comes so easy to some people that they really don't tap into the ability Nick Young was an amazing like oh, there you are like Bobo I'm just saying I go back to that it comes so easy that they don't happen to the ability it don't look like he give a fuck but that's but that's like it but that's the problem because he looked like he don't give a fuck or he don't play like he give a fuck.

But because it's so easy, they don't come to prepare every day. Yeah. So when you're talking about what made Michael great, what made Kobe great, what made the greats great, they had the natural gift, and they actually had the highest work ethic. Yes, sir. Right? So, you know, when we sit here and say, oh, Shaq is this, Shaq is that, but then we're like, wait, Kobe had a whole other thought process. Right?

So we sit here and he's like, yo, man, dude, lazy, but we're coming from a dude that was just a straight animal. Yes. Right? And sometimes we have to look at, now you say, all right, let's take Greek the freak, we can see what he works out like we give that the Joel And be what does what does he become? And people like oh he's gonna be the best basket then why do you get mad if I call a nigga lazy then

Mmm, I call him lazy. I'm like, how's he lazy? He's the MVP. Okay, give him give him Greek the Freaks Work ethic. Oh, he'll be this But you see you see more you see more in him than he sees in himself and that and they get mad at me for saying I see more in you like I can see how like yo just Take it serious. Like yo say I want to be the best fucking sinner ever Yes, put that type of work and put that type of like pressure on yourself Like you have it in 32 just out of your unit. Oh, yeah easy work

Plans like that. I'll be sitting like They want to kick you in the chest. You're African, right? You have a lot of work. But you're African, right? I feel you. I'm rocking it. At one point, I was coming off the bench, and I'm like, man, I can't. They ain't even be averaging like 30. I'm like, bro, I know you tired because that little eight I did the other night put me on IR. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, man, woo.

I'm glad you got this one. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm out of it. That's hilarious. I'm glad you got this one. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm out of it. But that's the part of the work ethic, though. Being in the type of shape that allows that to be easy. Yeah. I used to walk through games. Like, damn.

What are we going to do tonight? I got too much energy. I got too much energy. Like, Coach B sent me. I'm like, hell no. Right, right. We need to go to double overtime. I got too much energy. Coach me subbed me out like, hell no. We need to go to double overtime. I'm trying to sleep tonight, bro. I seen a player say, yo, don't take me out in the fourth quarter.

And Coach took him out in the fourth quarter. And he subbed out and he just kept going past the pitch. He just kept me. Locker room. I told you don't take me on the fourth quarter. Really? Fam, I seen that before. What was the incentive like?

What you mean? What you mean? Like was he getting extra money for fourth quarter points? Nah, like he's the type of person that if you say don't take him on the fourth quarter, don't take him on the fourth quarter. Oh, it's your ass, Mr. Postman. For sure. That guy would it's your ass, Mr. Postman. For sure. That guy would be like, hey, I'm the only person who got that kind of power.

Nah, I've seen Ricky Davis do it. Yeah, I've seen Ricky Davis, definitely. Fuck you, bring him. Walk straight to the guy. He faked the shit, like, I went to the bathroom. Nah, nah, nah. If I got something, I'm just sending back in. You doing that? You walk right back up? What? He faked the shit came like I went to the bathroom You doing it

You were right because yeah, you got the wrong player. No, I've done that before I just saw somebody else No, I saw somebody else. I've done that before like I've joked and be like, no, I'm not coming out No, I ain't coming. I'm serious. And then we I'm like no, I was I'm just playing. No, I'll come out. But then I'm watching the score like, hey, man, like, what y'all, all right. You good? I was like, I'm going in right now. Oh, yeah, like, no, no, no. Like, yo, put me in the game. Right now.

Like, right now. I just, I like, like, you see what's happening, right? Like, come on. And then I walk right back to the bench, and I just sub out who I think should be out. Damn. Motherfucker, I hear seven straight shots. It's crazy as hell. Out.

Now, call it. Now, he gonna have to call a timeout. You know what I'm saying? You don't waste no time. I know who I'm going in for. Like, yo, I'm going in, alright? I'm just letting you know I'm going in. And so, it ain't gotta be nothing, no negative energy, but it's time for me to go back in right now.

All right, yo, you out. Me? Yeah, yeah, come out. Why do coaches do that shit, though? Like, you score seven straight, and it's like you're not tired, you're not off. Why do you sub the nigga that's hot? Because that sheet say hot.

Yeah, you're not about to mess up their rotation. That sheet and that rotation. And, you're not about to mess up their rotation. That's whack. That sheet and that rotation. And then they're wondering why you upset because you over there like, what the fuck is going on? I just hit seven straight. Yeah, but then they be like, no, that's only two dudes I'm worried about.

Him and him. And then everybody else gets in line. They sit there, but that's... You know what I mean? But that lets me know, that's like when I watch coaches, I say, man, stop trying to save your job on your staff right you you pick your friends or you pick people you know wouldn't try to get your job nah I want

I want all people that's smarter than me right because they're becoming a point where you're watching a game and you're not watching the game right right you're you we see you motherfuckers up there doing this but you don't know he's on fire you don't know the tendencies and you're subbing people out because you sitting here looking oh shit and then you got to make a sub where the coach like whoa whoa no such a was down that you good no just keep keep down down to heat it right now like you don't want to fuck the heater by service I don't know if I go over here playing flip the motherfucking bottle Now do I've done that anyway Andre you went now I found a rolling film chill. Yeah, let him roll

That's who yeah, I go in when one of them miss. Yeah two times in a row. That's who appreciate though. We know that I'm not getting away When you have to remind I looking at me know that. I'm not getting away. When you have the reminder looking at me, I'm like, fam, I'm not even getting mad, fam. The lead is where it's supposed to be. As long as they keep it, I'm cool. Now if it come down, I got you. Right. Next time out.

We used to have, it was Juan Dixon and Steve Blake. Oh, wow. Right, we'll be down 17, 19, put them two in. They get it back. Oh, my God. Microwaves. Right? Like, man. And there'd be times

where a coach would be like, sub in. I'd be like, man. Like, the way they shoot, I want to be with them. I want to be with them. I want to be with the three. For sure.

Because they just had this spirit between the two of them. They just understood each other. And I don't care what that lead was, them two cut it down every single time. They played together in college. I know, but when you see it in the game,

like, he was like, It's nice. Dang, that's, damn. Yeah, that's nice. Right, and then there'd be some times where like, Steve, I'm sorry, bro, you ain't getting any of that. Not today, bro. I'm not suffering, I'm not.

And I know, like, if he came in at the point and I had to go to the two, I know it wasn't the same. And he'd be looking over at one, like, come on, man, hurry. Hurry up. Get this motherfucker out of here. Oh, these niggas plotting against each other. But it was some times where you'd sit there and I'd be like, as much as I want to go in, I can't fuck up the rhythm.

Because I understand it as a player when it happens and I hate when it happens to us, but coaches don't be watching. What y'all be doing? Even as a second unit player, you might come back and be like, bro, we in this position because they weren't on shit. As a second unit dude,

you treat us how you treat us. It's like, alright, bro. We know the vocabulary that's inside you. Like, sit their ass down and let, you know, if we trying to win a game, win a game is just called. Also, two basketballs, a game of runs.

You know what I'm saying? And a rhythm and feel and that type shit. So sometimes, like, the people that fuck it up the most are the coaches. You know what I'm saying? Steve Curt, you know what's so funny? Steve Curt, you can see he was in tune with the team.

Because there'll be some times where that second unit has a lead and then cut it down, and then they'll call a timeout and he'll come back with the same second unit. He wouldn't sub nobody out, and then they'll take the lead out and everybody just shoot. I'm like, come on. But that first shooting, they'll fuck around and shoot you out too. You might look in their eyes and be like, but that person, they'll fuck around and shoot you out too. You might look in their eyes and be like, bro, what are you doing?

Why are you shooting that shit? You keep shooting that shit. Dre Bond wrestling everybody and then, you know what I mean? This is real shit. The 2015 championship, starting five

against Cleveland starting five was minus 30 something. Yeah. It was, right? Fuck yeah. They got their ass. The starting five got their ass whooped by Cleveland starting five. It was the bench.

It was the bench that outplayed. Harrison in there? Hmm? Harrison was starting? Come on. Yeah. That was you. That was you.

I wasn't starting. No, he wasn't starting. It was you, me, you, Sean, you. I was starting. No, I didn't talk about it. It was you, Livox, me, you Sean, you know, David West. Even in 2016 when they weren't scoring, Barbosa was killing it. Barbosa was cooking. Yeah, y'all was plus, the second year was like plus like, like it was like 60 to 90. It was something, it was something crazy. I was giving something our daughter over here man That second year because that you know Kyrie went out. Yeah, he broke his knee. Yeah Love went out. So they don't really have the bitch

They don't really have a bench and they that sub came out. It was just torturous like oh, yeah Fuck the second units fucking them up bro. Y'all was losing that team Yeah, plus my oh, yeah, let, so disrespect to them, but that's crazy. I mean, that's how good Brian is Literally everybody was hurt Step didn't play very well that series. Klay didn't? Klay didn't play very well that series. Dre, something I always wanted to ask you. That unit didn't play very well that... No, that's real. Hints why?

But you won the finals MVP. You know, I'm heavy on Twitter. I see the way some Warriors fans talk. Do you feel like you deserve that finals MVP for what you were able to do? I had a really good conversation with Trevor Reza. Shout out to Trevor. T.A. That's T.'s T. Yes my man cuz we spent some time in LA I mean in Miami we played in Miami together for a year so we it's funny I've been on T. A since high school. I saw Adams was my roommate. Okay, hot sauce. Yeah, and T. A. They play together Westchester

Yep, so I've been knowing them since Nike camp And uh T. A. And I got the really chance to lock in and I was joking one day I wasn't joking, but I was in the hockey camp. And T.A. and I got the really chance to lock in and I was joking one day. I wasn't joking, but I was being serious. Because you know how we in the league for so long and you see all the nasty stuff that goes on behind closed doors in the league and you kind of lose the love of like accolades. We love the game of basketball. You went through it. I've said this about you many a time.

All the time. I'm like, yo, Rashad McCann is one of the best basketball players I ever seen We got the book over there But he stopped like tables and be like no the people ask like Kobe is Rashad McKay is the best basketball player I've ever seen. I'm like, he deserved a crown. I appreciate that, man. But you see what goes on in the league sometimes, and it's like, fam, sometimes it don't even be about who.

And so I don't really appreciate certain things the way I should just because the other stuff weighs on it. And I'm just like, man, I don't really care. So I always say, yeah, Steph deserved, I think he did deserve one before the one he got. I did think he deserved one.

So I always say, if it was mine, cool. I know the impact I had on the game, but I don't need anyone to tell me that I did. I'm cool with that. Because my whole career was based on that. I never made a first team all defensive team. You won.

My first one was in Golden State. 2014, I don't want to say. The 13-14 season. First time. The only reason I made the Olympic team in 2012 is because Kobe Bryant was like, this is the best defender in the league.

Period. And I never made an all-defensive first team. And then I would say Drew Holiday is the best defender in the league the last 10 to 15 years. Drew just got like a first-team defensive team like two years ago. Even Lucas said this. That's what I'm just saying. KD said it. Yeah, and every team he's been on spent top five defensively

Yeah, I mean so why you that's because it's the matrix that they're picking like what is it? So what are y'all? So I say all that to say like man I really don't even I don't even care like yes Steph should have had mine like I don't really care like I mean Steph should I had it but then I'm talking to Trevor reason he was like bro you buggin Like don't ever say that ever again and And once Trevor said that to me, he kind of checked me. He was like, yo, dog. You bugging.

We were in Houston, and we knew if you played well, y'all were going to beat us. Period. But the average fan who argues with all our opinions every day, they don't know what the best players in the world are saying. And when Trevor said that, he was like, Dre, I'm in Houston, and we can't get past y'all because you. I'm like, man, Steph was cooking. He was like, no, bro, if you're having a good game, we can't win.

And so I was like, man, I... This is why this is my best friend. People be like, how are you and Evan so cool? I'm like, first of all, we think alike. We laugh about the same things. We might have a different perspective when we get to the same place. But this is one of the dudes who's like, if I need to understand who I am or I need some

confidence, confidence is everything. I say this about my son, like, bro, you're too humble, bro. You can't make it to the league this humble. You got to think crazy. You got to think you're better than you actually are. Just go get it. And he always did that for me. He's just like, you know who you are?

You got somebody to tell you what you're going to do today. You know how much you worth? Right? Right, man. It's over. Cover my ears. Way worse has happened in society besides what I want. All right?

And what I want is feasible. It ain't nothing crazy. I ain't bothering nobody. Like, what you want, you should be able to get it, bro. Call it a day. So with T.A.'s conversation, I was like, huh. No, I know exactly what I did in that series. So, yeah, it's where it's supposed to be at the house what did Max Kellerman say but if

you if you think about like the part I add that the starting five was getting ass well right now if they're going by the same thing that I was looking at, then it is the second unit. Because the starting five, you lost. You lost. So let's go give it to LeBron.

But the only thing I will argue, there is a Curry effect. There is a Curry effect. No. There is a Curry effect. Yeah, no, no, no. Listen, he played... If he won, I don't think he would have appreciated it because I don't think he thought he did enough

to really, like... Take it over the top. It wasn't the Curry style, right? And Dova was damn nervous in the running, too, for MVP, low Dover was damn near running two for MVP low key. No, seriously. To be honest with you, long story short, bro, we forget sometimes that not saying he's a middle of the pack player, but if it falls down this low, you deserve it.

You understand what I'm saying? The pass of one or two, they were supposed to get it. It was set up to get it. Media set up to get it and everything. If it came down this low, ended up no offense shut that shit up like you don't you don't the next four or five years should you write about him and like he'll figure it out but like other than that it's my shit but abs up to one you come in and start a lot of game for y'all win next three games bro so say whatever you want. What was the thought process on bringing you off the bench?

It made sense because we go into training camp, and I've said it before, like, I was actually pissed. I just handled it the right way. Yes, sir. And so I had a really good training camp. Like, I remember this training camp because I was, like, cooking. I had, like, a first procedure done in my career. It wasn't surgery, but I had, like, a knee procedure.

Like, I had a partially torn something. And so I took the whole summer off, and I was just getting ready for the next year. I was supposed to play in the world championships, didn't do none of that. And I had a really good training camp. And Steve was like, my team didn't lose that training camp. And you know how doing too good works against you? I'm with the second unit winning. Dig me in.

I'm like, oh, damn. And so it was a much better fit for our team for me to come off the bench with the second unit. We were a way better team with me coming off the bench. And Harrison Barnes should have been starting for the type of team we had. Because he wouldn't have been able to be who he could be coming off the bench. Because there was nobody around him that can help him be who he was. But in the first group, Harrison could be Harrison. And Harrison's going to be who he could be coming off the bench because there was nobody around him that can help him be who he was but in the first group

Harrison could be Harrison and Harrison is gonna be super valuable. Yeah for us now not at that that But what helped Harrison to during that time? I don't know who Harris's PR do was but during that time Harrison had a crazy media push around that time to people were waiting for like pause Harrison to explode like you know I'm saying like only give for it whenever I hear I'm just waiting for the next line like pause like am I lying during that time I remember just sitting at the crib and hearing like Harrison bar and killing everybody in the gym Harrison bar and doing this I'm like damn for real for real and he hits? Then he hits me and he's like, I'm coming off the bench. And I'm like, bro, how?

Right. Like, how? To who? To where? To why? And he's like, well, for Harrison. I'm like, I dig you. But, like, that was crazy.

Well, it made sense because of just how I played. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Because I can play the one. I can play the four. Yeah. Like, I played the five in the finals versus the Lakers in Miami in a bubble. I'm like, well, how am I going to be on AD? So that makes, that gives us the question, though,

when we always ask who makes who. Does the players make the coach or does the coach make the players, right? In this instance, the player made the coach. The player made the team because you're doing something in the second unit that's making him say, I got to play him. I think we're – this move right here makes the second unit.

But some coaches will get in their way and won't do it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You got to acknowledge it too. Like Mark Jackson, when Mark Jackson had done it, and that's not a knock on Mark. Mark would be like – because I was there with Mark. Mark was like, man, you starting. You, you.

You, you. Mark would say that. I never asked to start when I came there. I'm like, I got to start. Mark was like, you never told me you got to start. That's the only way you would come here. Because most players would say, if I come here, am I starting? I wasn't thinking about that.

But Mark was like, man, the thing I like about you most is you came here and you didn't say nothing about starting. And he was like, you know, we had some folks who thought this about you, thought that about you, where you would be on the team. He was like, I'm glad you showed them. And so with Mark having made that move, you know, you can really ask that question. And I don't have to say he's a bad coach, but, you know, sometimes those types of decisions, you know, can make or break.

Let's go back to this, though, the MVP. I go back and look at the games, those last three games, right? Bro, you changed the game when you look at the last game, right, the closeout. It was undeniable. Looking at the game, you hit hit big shots you played great defense there was nobody else was gonna take the team to where it needed to be to close the game out mm-hmm so to get the trophy it was like everybody was expecting it to go to a certain person right but if you were hooper you watching the game it's like there was no chance for them to win

this game without Dre no chance they would have won more of you to make free throws What level he is playing at for that week Try to give Cleveland that game. You saw that? Yes. I watch everything. Yes. Fam. Oh, yeah. They was trying to get it. Hey, hey, hey.

We had Cle. Thompson fouled and fouled. Yeah, y'all got your two quick ones. Get him out. Get him out. Yeah, yeah. Because I'm playing in the game, and this is one ref. I'm like, fam, I ain't never been disrespected like this in my life.

Like, you serious? For real. And I got ejected. I got ejected last year. I've only been ejected like twopected like this in my life like you serious real and I got injected I got ejected last year only been injected like two three times my career and I got ejected for telling the ref like fam. I saw Netflix like Yo Hey Yo, but I'm I was

Spotlighted in that watch it. We watch we all watch Netflix. great show. I was spotlighted in my actual game. I fouled out. I had like six points. I fouled out. And we played in Philly. Like me fouling out with six points as the franchise player, I'm getting called a bum. And I'm going looking at the refs.

I'm looking at my coach. He's looking at me like, young man, calm down. I'm like, what you mean calm down? Like what's going on on this court right now? Like I just fouled out and I only played 12 minutes. I'm looking at the refs, I'm looking at my coach, he's looking at me like, young man, calm down. I'm like, what you mean calm down? What's going on on this court right now? I just fouled out and I only played 12 minutes. We down by 40, Kevin Olley was our leading scorer that game. I'm like, I'm crazy.

Then when we go into contract negotiations, it was like, well, your bad games are really bad. Yo, what? This is supposed to be in the Supreme Court Am I right or wrong? But if I say you know as players we can't say so you just got to play along you got to play the game But when you think about it, it's like how many games was this happening? Real shit You currently have no association with the league obviously. No, I mean I watch listen because I was I was bending

I'm cool with him some happen. I'm like yo, yo, listen, because I was bed-dead. I looked at my man. I looked at one ref, and I'm cool with him. Something happened. I'm like, yo, y'all for real? Y'all cool? For real? I was like, y'all good? He was like, I'm like, come on, man. Come on, man.

Come on, man. The game over, fam. We going to win, fam. I'm like, no, come on, man. Don't do this to me, man. You going to break my whole spirit. Don't do this. And they give us sex for it. But did you feel that game, that last game where fouls being called?

No, I tell people all the time. I was like, listen, the closeout game is the hardest game in your life. And they'd be like, why? And I can't say. Can't say. I can't say, but I'm like, no, fam, listen, like, this is the hardest game you'll ever play in your life. And EB told you. Yeah, it's, it's, it's, shit, nah, I'll tell it.

Go ahead. You got to be the vehicle. The vehicle. You got to be the vehicle. No, it's real, though. No, no, I remember we about to play game seven, 2012. So we about to play the Celtics or whatever. Game seven.

So I'm hype as hell. I'm like, yeah, bro, we got a game seven. Like, ooh, out the play the celtics or whatever game seven so i'm hype as hell i'm like yeah bro we got a game seven like we're out the bam like this is gonna be lit so elton's like you know we're gonna have to win by 15 just to win by one so i'm like what you mean he's like bro this is the nba it's entertainment like lebron is in a heat or waiting would you rather rather watch the Celtics or the Sixers play the heat? I'm going to be honest with you. I'm on the team. I wouldn't even watch the Sixers play the heat type shit.

You got to appreciate it. But mind you, I'm young, 22, 23. I'm like, damn, damn. You know what I mean? So it's like, so we get in this game, you know how much money the NBA is going to lose? You know, type shit. I'm like, I guess, like a decent amount. He's like, would you watch that game next week if it was a Heat versus Sixers?

I'm like, nah. He's like, okay then. So like, that's why I'm telling you to take M's and M's from this. I'm like, what? He's like, millions of memories. Because this is entertainment. Damn, that's a bar. And he said, as long as you know that, don't act like your OG the OG and tell you that's crazy. That's my second year 2012. I remember

Give me crazy. No, that's real. You said it went by 15 cuz you didn't wait about one. You have to be up so much that No affected and then and he's just like they're well aware of the storyline It's not like nothing like it's a consumer base I understand everything like we all love it. But like when you sit there, it's just real shit to know when I was going to certain games I tell you I'll do the same thing like yo, we got a win by 15 and went by one and I understand it but you said I Think I get that we all got any you know, we go to the Union we all like how the money turned out When y'all ran through everybody early it was pissed we go to the union, we all like, how the money turn out? What the fuck? TV money turn out? When y'all ran through everybody early, we had to give back something. You know what I mean?

TV money dropped. We like, it's fucking up the league. It's fucking up the bridge. Because Golden State was the hardest. You guys were the hardest team for Vegas because with Steph and Klay, because they can come down and just chuck, there was no way of using a whistle against them. So what you try to do is try to penalize them and get them in foul trouble.

See, you can go to the rim and I just not call a foul. I'm not blowing that whistle, right? But you take a three, like, fuck. You hit them threes. Now I got to try to,, you know a step do one of those foul. That's when I'm fucking mouthpiece You be doing that good good get them out like you be doing that shit to hurry up and get him out like But you got to though because when we play importantly we played them in 2019, bro We have three straight games by like 17, bro. They were by 17 or more.

All four games. Bro, literally by the first time out, the lead would be down at like three. You'd be sitting here like, oh, shit. It's 10-28 left in the third. Too much time. Bro, when I tell you dangerous, we used to say this all the time. It'd be like, bro, this lead don't matter. And literally by the first time out them beige boys to come out

Shoot you out of house and homes Demon Dane I said look your game plan is bad Oh, I say your game plan is bad when you got a four-quarter Corners we know what corner you run the flex I said with Golden State what happens when they're down a lot, focused only on Klay. Klay has no conscience. He has no thought process of score, time, or nothing.

He's the only one that's going to just shoot without fault. He's not going to think, oh, if I miss these two, we're going to be down. So what ends up happening is when you look at the lead being cut, it's only one person. What happened is once this one person gets hot, it triggers Steph. Once it starts getting round

three, two, Steph is gonna be the one that hits the tie, and then the one that hits the go over, now y'all gotta call timeout. And you feel like you've been, and what was so crazy about these, you felt like you were being chased. So call time and you thought you'd be in what was so crazy about these you Thought you're being chased Before you know you like come on bro. We did all this work an hour ago. And we down.

We down 15. Ow. Bro, it was the most unbelievable thing. Like, during that time, it was just dominance. I know I say it was lame, but, like, it was so dominant. Bro, I'm talking about, like, three straight games. Up 17. 17 more.

And two minutes, it's over. Yep. They swept us. That's crazy. Without KD. Without KD. Crazy. I told him. I said that. And you were hurt basically. I got hurt game three and four. And them boys came from that series shooting like 38%. Yeah. Like they weren't even hot. And they literally just...

You talk about that Steph Curry effect, but just that Splash Brothers effect, and just to take the will from other teams. Like, you know, probably two of the most likable assholes, I'll say, if they're not on your team, just the shit they do. They seem like nice human beings. No, it's so weird. They're so different, but they're the same. And I always say, like, it's just like lightning striking the same place twice.

Like, it had never happened. And it just happened with our run, or their run. You get Clay and Steph from their backgrounds. They both grew up in the league, so don't nothing faze them.

People don't think about how you're raised. We're all humans based on our traumas. We all react to how our traumas are. And both of them grew up in the league, so they don't care about fanfare. They don't care about celebrity. They're not Kobe as a kid. Right.

They're like, whatever. That don't impress them, right? And then they know how to play basketball. They grew up watching their parents play at the highest level, so they see it. Regardless if they came on late or not. They were both late bloomers, but they grew up in their parents play at the highest level so they see it regardless if they came on late or not they were both late bloomers but they grew up in the nba and so they have a certain disposition about themselves to where they understand like man i'm getting my 22 attempts the ball gonna find a hole i'm one of the best of all time like i'm gonna do what i'm gonna do and they both actually have a chip because they were late bloomers.

So they was like, man, all y'all that were picking on us when we were kids because we were small and we weren't phenoms, this is our payback. So they do got that competitive fire. Like, Steph got a crazy fire. Loon always say it. Oh, we got a North Carolina point guard tonight. Steph going to get 40. I'm like, what?

Look up. Oh, he got 45 Right late when he sees certain people I'm like, oh, okay. So they have this was just like it's just like a perfect storm and then who's crazy You know clay from Southern California Santa Margarita. Oh, see you so it's like them Southern, California California dudes in California dudes that played a pack 10 Or you know it could have played in the Mountain West okay, and they get all this love and the fanfare is like I am turning them he went to Washington Washington State and let me go to school there and literally have to play the bulk of your games in college.

You got a chip on your shoulder. Near Moscow, Idaho, just like, you know, you stay in that fucking Best Western with the brick wall and shit. I'm just saying like- How do you remember all these? He remembers. I remember that. I was chilling.

I remember the- You remember the cities when you was soloing. That's for sure. We didn't even stay in Pullman. We stayed in Moscow, Idaho, literally in a janky ass brick wall. You remember the cities when you were soloing. That's for sure. We didn't even stay in Poland. We stayed in Moscow, Idaho, literally in a janky brick wall. I'm from Illinois, and so I grew up around, I saw cornfields. I saw cornfields everywhere.

But when I saw big fields that were brown, I'm like, why is it brown everywhere? What is this, dirt? No, them potato fields. I'm like, oh, man, this is depressing. Like, you don't even see color. You don't even see color. And I'm like, why are we in Idaho if we play in Washington State?

And then that's when I was like, oh, who wants to go to school here? It's crazy, right? That's the tip on his phone. That's the tip. He had to go there. Tony Bennett, Dick Bennett playing that nasty Big Ten. 50-point-a-game shit. Y'all ain't like that?

The Big Ten joint? Bro. Nah, I'm just joking. We like to score baskets around here. Yeah. I'm just saying. But, you know, like, that shit, it works. But we're going to be dealing with it now, obviously.

Y'all going Big 12 now? We going Big 12. So y'all got a different... Y'all going Big 12? Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen. I might have a chance. That might be all right. I mean, it's part of the top four revenue-generating conferences.

Shit, there's only four left. What are the other teams? What teams there? So Big 12? Baylor. Yeah, like Texas Baylor. That's going to be good for y'all. We'll see you.

Texas is good. Oklahoma. Oklahoma's solid. Oklahoma. Baylor. We're a West Coast team, so we move fast. Yeah good. Oklahoma. Oklahoma solid. Oklahoma. Baylor. We're a West Coast team, so we move fast. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm just trying. I mean, Texas move. I'm just trying, girl. Texas do. Baylor move. Baylor solid. Baylor got a lot of pros coming in there.

We got a lot of defensive players. Oh, hustle-ass guys. Probably New Jersey somewhere. New Jersey. New Jersey. Oh, New Jersey. East Coast. Trenton New Jersey, yeah. East Coast. East Coast.

Trenton is a beautiful city. Now, but let's talk a little bit. You spent the entirety of your 30s with the Warriors, minus two years with the Heat. So when you look at Spoh versus Steve Kerr and just those two franchises, obviously they feel like they're both the peak in terms of what they do, in terms of culture, producing players,

and getting to that level. Obviously, he hasn't got a chip players, and getting to that level. Obviously, he hasn't got a chip yet, but the Warriors got four. How would you compare those two different franchises? So, you know, I gained a different type of respect for both of them. When you go to Miami, if you don't really know what you're getting into, you in for like a rude awakening. It's just like Full Metal Jacket, the movie.

I just saw that recently, like three years ago. So I'm like, oh. So it's like a full metal jacket the movie. You just saw that recently like three years ago That's all my hope so it's like a culture shock But when you really tap into what it is And so I always speak highly because when I first got there I'm like yo y'all wilder Like I got three chips the the complete opposite way mm-hmm and so Why I got to be like this, but once I was in there We go to the finals in a bubble, and then even the next year we had, we didn't have such a great year,

but I said to myself, if I'm ever in a position to run a team, I'm taking like 95% of this. You don't hear players getting in trouble in Miami. Never. That's all you need to know. Who get in trouble? Not that it can't happen, but players don't get in trouble in Miami.

Out of all places. Out of all the places. You don't see guys getting in trouble down in Miami. Pat got it on lock. And I read Pat's book before I got there called Winners Within. Pat got a good book. And Pat is like, no, I'm here and I'm in the business of winning. And you just spoke about Kobe.

You spoke about MJ. They have the most talent and they have the greatest respect of the game with the competitive spirit. They are competing. And Miami does such a great job. I don't want to give away their formula. But they track guys all the way from like freshman, sophomore year of high school. And they are identifying heat players from then.

And they track you your entire career, even if you never get there. So when free agency comes or trades come up, they already got their list of guys. They're not just trading for anybody. It's like, alright, we got to take this guy. Cool, we're going to take him, but we we know we ship him off in a couple weeks anyway. No, I did it the Bobo

You know Miami trade no one knows that they drafted. I didn't know that yeah, they they don't want to draft them and trade them They know what they doing down there, and you talk about who cooking they got Bobby flay in the kitchen mm-hmm whipping So and he built in the next Bobby Flay. And so it would be interesting to see who takes over after him or really after Spoh because Spoh got it. I got this jersey on, man. And they know their – each individual knows their weaknesses. Like Spoh got a weakness, but he got somebody next to him,

so it doesn't – like, man man it's just a machine down there and i ain't got nothing but like the ultimate respect for them because like for one the players don't get in trouble and they're gonna make you tap in a part of yourself that you never thought you could tap into like they're gonna make you go deep within and say listen we're gonna get the most out of you or you can take your ass on somewhere else and listen, are you going to get the most out of you or you can take your ass on somewhere else? And why wouldn't you want to get the most out of yourself? Like, I see them young guys working, man.

I'm like, boy, they working y'all ass to death. To death. But when them young boys get on the court, they hooping. And the one thing I would do for the guys is that I brought something different. And I would tell them, man, y'all work too damn hard to not go out there and have fun and hoop. Nice.

And so that was the thing with Miami where I always said, because there's like, it's not like you can't enjoy it. They say, no, you only have joy when you win. And I'm like, okay, that I'm taking with me too. But young fellas, like you in the NBA, you're doing something that's never, like most people ain't never did. It's only 5,000 NBA players, period, on earth, period, 5,000.

When you get on that court, like, smile, go have some fun. Like, you working too damn hard to not go out. Don't be stressed on the court. You already took care of the stress. And I felt like that helped us a whole lot getting to the finals in a bubble. But, like, I ain't got nothing but respect for them they gonna make you the best player you can possibly be now with the Warriors on the other end Steve is like listen if you come in to work every day you come into practice and you work hard

life is easy all I want you to do is lock in and Steve is like this is cool relaxed laid-back vibes like just come in this is our escape from the laid-back vibes. Like, just come in. This is our escape from the BS and the rest of the world. We're going to have fun. But all I ask you to do is play hard. And it's like, that's all you want? You just want me to play hard and you're going to make it fun? And he's like, yes.

We mess around. We're playing wiffle ball, throwing football, sitting in practice. We be doing all kinds of crazy stuff. But it's like, no, I just respect the game, do what I ask. And there's two totally different approaches. But, I mean, you've got to respect it when you in there because it's like But Steph's the catalyst of it too When you talk about like is the coach making a player the player making a coach the Marcus cousins came in

And we know the Marcus history, you know the perception and the Marcus is like Man step you practice every day You practicing this hard all the time? He's like, damn, I can't say nothing. Everybody go to the Warriors, just fall in line. Yep. Because they had Honcho. Lead by example.

Don't start. No, you go ahead and ask me. No, you go ahead and ask me. Lead by example. Start with me. Lead by example. Certain type of leaders, right? Yes.

Right. We had a conversation about leaders, and my take and perspective was that the main leader or the leader of the team is the best player because he leads by example. He don't have a choice but to be the leader. But there are vocalists. There are key components to leadership on a team. But there is that one guy he was that

guy you was that guy you was that guy where when you out there and niggas was looking like how hard is the best player working we gotta work like this because he's paving the way for us he's the best player right But then there's a guy next to you like a Calvin Booth or Greg Buckner that's talking the way to the young fellas telling them boom, boom, boom, but we can't follow your lead if you over here with us. We can only do so much for your leadership. But when Steph is out there, like Demarcus said, this is how I literally looked at kg like Kg was leading and working as hard as he was working the way he was doing that

There's no way I cannot do what he's doing. Yeah and expect the success that he's got and it's on a small stuff When your main guy is trying to win sprints That do something different to the rest of the team. Like, oh, he trying to win the sprints every time? It's like, and then the coach can just, that's a coach's dream. I'm cursing all y'all out if my star player is winning the sprints every time. You mean to tell me you can't run as hard as you can?

And this dude carrying us 82 nights. You said, you said, man, I'm tired. The man in practice. I didn't even know. You said, man, I'm tired. The man in practice. I didn't even know. You said this to me when I left. You were like, Dre, I'm just realizing, fam, you bled the league in minutes, and you practice for two hours every day

because I ain't no no better. Nobody told me, like, come on, fam, you play 42 minutes a game. You're not supposed to be practicing like this every day. And I was just like, I ain't know. I just thought I was just supposed to be out here all the time. You know what I mean? It's just your competition.

You know, it's either you got it, but what if you don't got it? And that's the question that I think he asked for. And B, like, why hasn't he lived up to or put himself in the position to be who you think he, we all know he could be in terms of like The way he presents himself. He's not a leader What he is He just doesn't work at the leadership level. He doesn't work if he had that motor Those people will follow his see is that in it?

They're following him now if they're following him now, right? If they're following him now, he's still the best player right? They're following his lead right now. It's not enough But at the same time this what happens. It's not enough to get them over the hump Yeah, but he's not but I mean he's not leading. He's not a good leader Yeah, but he's never taught but Lee's always around a bunch of young dudes So when it comes down to it, like how's he supposed to know that shit? Is that right? It's so much. You don't know. I'm not saying you pick it up naturally or like innate but like How are you supposed to know you've been around a bunch of 22 year olds? Your whole career and literally they're rebuilding the process and the one leader you have is for four months

Which is Jimmy Butler, you know unquote See, that's what I said. So if Jimmy was the butler and he leaves, you don't, and we don't inherit leadership because you're the best player. You was the best player when Jimmy was there. But he didn't have the accountability Jimmy was trying to give. No, but what I'm saying is,

if Jimmy's there, Jimmy's not the best player on the team, but he's the leader of the team. So when the leader leaves, we just don't give you the leadership because you're the best player. You were the best player when Jimmy was there. But I do think Jimmy, I talked to Jimmy because you're the best player Yes, you were the best player, but I do think I do think Jimmy

I talked to Jimmy about this and Jimmy was saying, you know, the best player on the team should get the most shots He was like I'm on this team on Miami. I should get the most shots. He was like in Philly Who was the best player on the team and I'm thinking like Jimmy you crazy as hey I don't know who you think the best player on the team. You tell me. Jimmy was like, Joel Embiid, the best player on the team. And so I do think Jimmy would have held him to that standard to lead us. Yes. Yes. I agree.

That would have rose his level up. But you're arguing on both sides. I'm not arguing. You know what I'm saying? You're talking on both sides. You're talking about my point and your point at the same time. I'm not. I was only talking about my point.

I'm not even. What was your point? That leadership comes from the, we're not. I'm not. I was only talking about my point. I'm not even in college. What was your point? That leadership comes from the best player, bro. But is that true? Do you think the best player is always the leader on the team? I don't think the best player... I don't think... No, no, no. I don't think that's the case whatsoever. It's not. No, it's not. But at the same time, it's a personality thing. Like, some of the dudes... But we only go as far as our leader takes us.

But look, and it's a perspective. You don't have to agree. You don't have to agree. You don't have to agree. Some of the dudes... But we only go as far as our leader takes us. But look, and it's a perspective. You don't have to agree, you don't have to agree, you don't have to agree, you don't... This is my perspective. That's what the fuck I think. So y'all can say, well, I don't necessarily agree with you. I believe that because the best player doesn't pick whether he's the leader.

So here's a question for you, Dre. Playing with the Warriors, from an outside fan perspective, it's the assumption that Draymond is the leader of that team. He's the most vocal. He's the guy that rallies behind. But we also talk about Steph. So when it comes down to it, Steph the leader, is Dray the leader, or is it more of a leader by committee type thing?

I feel like with the Warriors, you have – Steph is the leader. Steph is the head honcho. I think Draymond would say that. But Draymond has a load of the leadership that makes that team. And that's what makes him great. Him and Jimmy are very similar. Because you always look back and say, how is Jimmy getting it done?

He can't shoot threes. He can't go left. Whatever. No, I'm saying whatever they say about Jimmy, he figured it out. I'm like, I seen him dribble with his right hand left and then pull up for three against Milwaukee this year. It was going crazy. Jimmy has, he's probably the closest that I've seen to Kobe Bryant with that mentality of just, man, Jimmy will figure out a way for us to win. I've never seen a will like that.

I'm like, this dude got a Kobe Bryant will, a will to him to win. And I've seen Draymond play a lot of different sports. And what people say about Draymond, can't do this, can't do that, can't do this. Like what does he do great on the basketball court? From a basketball skill set, I don't care what you say about him, this dude will figure out a way to win at whatever he's doing.

I've seen him compete in so many things and I'm like, this is an awkward way you're doing this. But when it comes down to it, he won. And so you have to, there is a value to that. And it may not show up on a stat sheet. It may not show up in a form. But he just figures out a way to win. And for him to be 6'5 1⁄2 and play the position he plays and get a triple-double without scoring two points,

crazy stuff like that, you've got to respect it. It's very valuable. And there's leadership qualities to those type of guys more so than to the guys who have all the skills. And so we follow in Steph, but Draymond is going gonna take us to a place that You know because he because he basically covering up everybody else weaknesses. That's what he's brilliant

It was like alright, this is weak and he knows everything like he's he's in tune with the game like he he knows everybody's plays You know what? They coming with the first play out of the timeout, you know What the first play coming out of each quarter. And players don't think like that anymore. Like he's on another level up there. And when I sit back and watch it sometimes, I'm like, listen, y'all can say whatever y'all want to about this man, but it's a brilliant, it's like a genius there.

I remember there was a reaction where, and I said, man, he's he's You had you have to watch it where something happened something clay Fell a certain way he called him. Oh, yeah Christian pump undercut and he's like instead of going for the block here rather than play annoying awkward movement I was like, yeah Damn, he's aware of everything that's going on. That was, like, that right there just put me in the, like, that was injury. That was done right there.

Instead of, like, okay, you pump faking me going for it or the whole Tristan to foul him, he'd rather I give up the two or whatever that was and I'm just going to catch my dude. He does stuff like that all the time, actually. All the time. He knowing what's going to happen. We missed the coverage. The offense ain't even saw that we missed the coverage yet. He's like, man, we missed the coverage

and they about to see it and he'll be there. You'll be like, damn. Small stuff like that goes a long way. Let's talk a little bit. we're going to switch it up. Let's talk about these Celtics. You got the chance to coach Tatum and Jalen Brown. Yeah, yeah, for the most part.

I don't even be like, yeah, I coach them. But you got to see those guys. So we talk a lot. And a couple years ago, obviously, they started out struggling. Everybody was saying they needed to break up the duo Gil was one of the few people saying no Ride out with them. So Jaylen Brown just got his bag Tatum gonna get his bag in the near future Do you think that duo can raise a banner for the Celtics or is it time to think about? I definitely think they can raise a banner for the Celtics. I think we have you know, two top five scorers and you know two

Right now at their age, they're dominant. Like you said, amongst their age, it's unbelievable. They can play two ways and they can lead a game combined for 65 or 70 points easily. And I'm always big on it's not about the, you know, X's and O's. It's about the Jimmy's and Joe's. And it's not about so much how but when, you know, the timing and clear. They were just so – they were up 2-1 versus the Warriors two years ago. You know what I mean?

I think every year they scratch the surface of making it. But I for sure think Tatum's going to win a couple championships. So what are they missing? What are they missing? I think depth. I think we were kind of fooled that they paused. They were deeper than they really were. Like, you know what I mean?

And to be honest with you, I think we were just gassed off it. And kind of like similar to, you know, a couple times when even in 2016 when Klay wasn't hitting many shots or Harrison didn't show up before he noticed, it was like, damn, the only scorers on the Warriors were Barbosa and Steph maybe. You know what I mean? And I think we saw that in the game seven with the Heat. The second Tatum went down, unfortunately, the offense wasn't always necessarily there.

But I think to have a shooting big like Porzingis, a real crazy third option, is going to be decent. But you got to let Horford, you know, ride off the pasture and get some young youth in there. And whether, it might not be a sexiest name But I think I'm a big Peyton Pritchard fan. I think like How they start adding some of that stuff in and the offense and everything is going to matter you got to have a Third or fourth option got to be thorough and shut out the market smart, but you can't Anytime that's your third best player champ That's why I knew he was gonna win a championship from

Knock Before no serious is like like when we sitting here going talent for talent. It's like okay you got white and You got white. I don't really know who he is Inside you playing three-point guards is saying a lot Be and then you got Al Horford still playing I didn't even know he was still playing he's still only like 31 He's 40, but it's like he's like and he's your backup who's protect the rim What what game are you guys playing? Yeah going small and then your your guy is the most unathletic person on the team. To protect the rim?

Come on. Let's just stop. Let's just game over. Right? Like, the only way you guys win a couple games is if the league does this for you. But other than that, you guys don't have the talent. But the problem is, you get that far and think, oh, you know, just one more year. No, no, no, no, no.

Six more players. You need six more players. I'm sorry. You need six more players. I'm sorry. You need six more players. That's what you really need. You don't need no more years. You need more better players. Don't get fooled by what happened. It was just... You remember our group chat?

You remember the group chat? Arizona? Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I was the one in there talking shit. No, I know. Yeah with uh, what I was the one talking shit No, I know yeah, yeah, yeah Miami a y'all ain't gonna win No 2020 yeah, I mean, uh, we knew too. I mean I knew no I just but it was like it just it was just such A big off balance, right? You know, it's just some teams just like star power matters. Yeah yeah and the pieces around it but like boston what people don't realize is we don't value the bench as much as we used to because like even with the bulls dynasty they were a well-oiled machine coming off the bench it was all vets and now the nba is like

get picks get picks get picks, get young guys, get young guys. And it's like, bro, these dudes don't even know how to play basketball. Or care about winning. But rightfully so, to a certain extent,

you use the Warriors and it's like the young dudes want to play. Yeah, they do want to play. Contract year is coming up. Yes, they want to play. Right now, you can't get mad at a young dude.

Of course, adding on, you can at the same time, but it's like, you have to really sacrifice when you come in from that second unit and legit be prepared for it No one that's that part too No one wants to come off the bench and no one wants to play the right way in order for the team that has success

And when you got a team Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown that second unit got to play like the Spurs. Yeah, so a bunch of us gonna get eight Yep, but it's going six times eight. It's 48 Yeah, that's a whole lot of points and them to score 70. Yeah. Yeah, we had 115 Every game then I'm too that's winning. All we need is a couple stops That's when I do do is get in 50 wins every year. So I just figure it out and Join in the second unit is always the most important unit for I mean Starting five usually equal to self out who has the better important unit for, I mean, starting five, you usually equal yourself out.

Who has the better bench? Yeah, yeah. Because you got to sub. Yeah. Right? You got to sub, you know, you guys with the Lakers when they won them championships, they're coming off the bench. Yeah, they had a solid squad off the bench. Yeah. That second unit, when we sub, we got to have somebody that can hold the league, expand that league, you know. Kick up the league. For sure. We haven't seen many good benches lately, though. Did Milwaukee have one?

Did Phoenix have one playing against them? Denver's bench was solid. Denver was decent. And to be honest... Two, three guys... No, the Heat's bench, which was their starters, was really, really good, too. No, what's funny is...

But that was my argument. I said, well, if they had their starters, this would be a better team. But the fact that these are the bench guys starting lets you know how good the bench is now. I thought you called them a YMCA team. Yeah, this is YMCA. You got

15 players. Eight of them was undrafted. Yeah, yeah. It's the worst lineup in NBA history. NBAals history. No period there's not been one Don't think about like like what they did just mm-hmm just a thought of you got a 15-man roster and eight of them were undrafted players That's never on good teams. None of them would it be on? Yes like that You don't have you there's no roster in NBA history that has that many undrafted play. It's like random spoons. Yeah Got a few more for you guys appreciate y'all being you talk about young players get in the bag I was you guys talking about Jordan pool. You got chance play with Jordan pull the Warriors and he got trading out of the Wizards

So what do you think about Jordan's game? And what are your expectations just for it? What is ceiling can be with that wizard squad? Yeah, I was I was asked a question this sums up Jordan pool. I was asked a question from a coach The Celtics coach I play golf with. He was like, he was like, yo,

which, which way does Jordan Poole go? Does he go right or left? Which way is he like going more? I'm like, that's a good question. And he was like, well,

we sent them right, but then we sent them left and then this happened. He was like, I don't, I don't know which way he goes. I was like, listen,

whichever way the pick come, he going the other way. But then I got to thinking. That's impressive. I was like, yo, man, get a go-to move, JP. Get a go-to move. He was like, what you mean? I was like, fam, you just get a go-to move, because I don't know what move you're going to use.

But then I thought about it. I was like, don't nobody know what this kid going to do. Like, Clay even said it. Clay was like, man, this kid is so electric. And then when you watch him work out, he be working on some crazy stuff. Like, he put his work in. Like, Steph be shooting him half-court shots all the time. But when they make them, he just be used to it.

Poole's the same way. He be shooting him crazy shots. And over time, you be like, no, he do this all the time. And so you give him a situation where he can just be free, and not say he was in handcuffs, but he playing with three Hall of Famers, and an All-Star in Wiggins,

like you gotta restrict him a little bit, because you can't be too chaotic. It's already chaos. And so I think he'll be great with just being able to just like having this he has a a landscape and he just can create whatever he wants to curate he could throw whatever painting he wants to throw on this wall and you don't know what you're going to get but you can say like if you your favorite artist you be like man what do you call it commission me painting. That means start with a blank scape and just make me whatever you want,

and I'll give you $100,000. So he's about to Kanye West it? But Kanye ain't dropped no dud ever. I know. That's what I'm saying. He's about to Kanye West it. But the thing with him, I always, I talk to him to this day. I say, listen, you got to grow up now.

You got your own team. Like, it comes with some responsibility. And you've been in environments where it's really controlled like everybody's cool. Everybody's in line I'm like they really ain't like this in the NBA like niggas is wild You think about the average yeah, it was 20. Yeah, it was 20 last year I want to add a bad year damn. I'm gonna you 28 30 I don't get he gonna get to the line cuz they don't think he was the one get to the line for us Yeah, he's the only one that got to the line for us consistently people people act like he had a bad year

I'm like, okay a bad year like y'all blamed him for the year. We had last year and he averaged 20 And and they have no expectation for winning. Hmm You know every story at least yeah, it's Bob. Plus. Yeah for sure 25 plus. Yeah easy He's he going he gonna get to the line and then at home. You got to give him a whistle at home He gonna average 30 at home. Yeah, you know I'm saying and it's chocolate I was 30 and it's chocolate city. So, you know, we're gonna be in the stands They got all the memes every time you see a bad chick The baddies 40

But he's already starting to Make the right strides like I've heard about what he's been doing with his teammates like I just sat with him the other day and he was like, uh, I Was asking about his teammates and he knew everything about every one of them. And I'm like, oh, okay. Now we're starting off on the right path. Yeah, he tapped in. I think he brought them all out to L.A. Like, he did it.

We all meeting together. Like, he, like, leading. I'm like, okay. Bag man, bag man. Good-ass B. Because he's a smart kid where he knows, like, oh, 120 starts next year, but then 200 comes in four years. So he one of them guys like, oh, no, I'm planning for the next one.

Like he ain't going to just stop on his contract. That's how he's supposed to be for the next one. Yeah. Last thing I got for you, you got a number of successful off-court investments, including Zoom. What advice would you give the young players just about making smart decisions with your bread? I'm going to toot, including Zoom. What advice would you give the young players just about making smart decisions with your bread?

I'm a toot-toot. Just give me your money and I'm a 3X it. Yeah. No, I got my own VC firm. We got a fund. I just started. And we just finished our first raise. We raised $150,000. And this climate was incredibly hard.

It was crazy hard to raise that much money in what happened in 2022 with the markets. But we're already starting off with a good start. We invested in 10 companies so far. We got one that's turning a profit already. But I'm joking about giving me your money. But players, but I'm not. Don't joke.

But players have so much money now the only thing for them to do is turn the money into like they should be trying to turn the money into like you can really legit you can legitimately have 100 million dollars in your bank account like that wasn't heard up for us like, we could sign a big deal for $80 million. First of all, it's only $40. Then we got family members, and we got expenses, and the NBA lifestyle back then, you know, we trying to enjoy the stuff they enjoying.

The stuff they enjoying now is just like, it's nothing to them. I'm crazy, right? It's like the more money they have, it's like the expense like and i'm crazy right it's like it like the more money they have it's like the the expense went down yes right it's like it's like we we had expenses but it all kind of made sense with how the lifestyle goes now i'm just like fam that's not even touching you can just pay all this off on interest alone. And so, and players are getting a little smarter, starting to understand.

The one thing I would say to players is stay in tune to the game. And I always appreciated that. Like Elton Brand was like, you take losses too hard. I would never change that. So you got to take care of the game and then money will just keep coming. But it's so much money out there now that we can start owning things.

You can own things now. Beforehand, we were all mom and pop businesses. We had barbershops. We had car washes. We had record labels. We did real estate. We did real estate on the smaller scales. Small skills.

Dealerships. I just was in Utah. I won't say his name because you can't say that man name It's Twitter be just be honest on his But I see his dealership all the time, you know Junior Bridgman was early with what he did like Jamal Mashburn. Yeah, nobody knows Jamal Mashburn. He's a franchisee, which means he licensed out for you to have a franchise. I'm like, oh, you got to go through him to get a stove. He right there, which is what Junior Bridgman was.

And then what's my man named Vinnie Johnson is sitting on something crazy. Nobody knows about that possible. That's actually my godfather. But I ain't seen him in a while. I ain't seen him in a while. But I got love for you, Vince. Break bread. Look out for your godson.

You see me wearing these dirty chucks. And so players just be in tune. Here's the thing players need to know. If I had to make it like I don't want to go on a long rant and just make it quick, like one sentence, And so players just be in tune. Here's the thing players need to know. If I had to make it like I don't want to go on a long rant and just make it quick, like one sentence, get with real wealth managers, right? And so just open up the Wall Street Journal. And so I know we aren't in black banks the way we should be,

but there is a way to do that. But I always tell guys, get your treasure chest in place. Like, get the foundation in place where, guys, if y'all can just get, like, y'all got so much money, you can just set $50 million aside and not touch it. And you can still have all the fun you still want. They have that much money. I believe that guy's making $40 million a money. I'm gonna guys making 40 million a year I'm like, oh my god, like that was my whole contract twice. I played 19 years people like look at your earnings I'm like fam. It took me 19 years to get dudes is getting this in four years and this is like and

I don't want to promote these types of financial institutions, but they're If you put 50 million, just leave it. It's going to turn to $100. It's going to turn to $150. Compound interest is the ninth one in the world, right? And so you've got J.P. Morgan's. Go private equity. Vista, if he lets us in.

That's my guy, Paul. Robert Smith. Goldman Sachs. They just had a bad quarter, though. Morgan Stanley, Merle Lynch. You have your large wealth management firms. They're the safest bet, but your money is still going to grow unbelievably.

There's no more excuses. I tell people all the time, we missed that vote. We missed it. But we're smart enough to figure it out on the back end, but they have no more. There's no more excuses. I got to tell people all the time. We missed that boat We missed you But like we smart enough to figure out on the back end, but they have no excuse like Y'all make so much money. You can be really safe and still become a billionaire. It's insane It's on me. I mean he sent me his stuff. I had you know I had I Was like

Hotel You know I had to I was like Hotel I got a house 300 million hotel it's about to go up. I know It's ready the license and they said it was crazy and they said about this have a Saudi NBA Sorry's about to make a run at the NBA. Who finna go over there? If y'all need help, there's a way that we can work together so there's no disruption. So, no, but that...

Let a nigga live hoops. Live hoops. If somebody go over there, five, six, seven hundred million for the year, I'm like, man... I got the formula. You don't have the beef that golf had but the golf dudes man

you had no choice they get down or lay down or that's but the problem I have right there's an issue that I have

why is it that NBA players or NFL players there's always a certain there's a way that they perceive us. It's insane, like Rashad, you know, right?

When we say we want to own something, it's like blasphemy. Yes. Don't you dare. Ever. But when Messi signs a deal, Royalties deal with Apple, Apple don't do endorsements. Ever. Ain't nobody ever said that, had they? Apple don't do endorsements ever ain't nobody ever said that had a Apple Apple don't do endorsements

They bought beats and we ain't seen nobody indoors beats since right? Nope They you don't see nobody famous doing commercial That's just you too and they selling all their stuff goes to charity. So that's not an endorsement deal Apple don't do endorsements Apple just did a deal with messy and Then he has the royalties on all jersey sales with Adidas. We've never seen anything like this before and it's praised as the greatest deals of all times but as soon as we like try to peek through the peek hole like yo can we own just a little bit we got the money. Set up and dribble. And stay over there. And so I'm trying to

navigate that world because i've always like jalen rose speaks on it this is like you got two types of african-americans according to them you got like your duke boys like you're like you you know you stand up straight you play politics and you speak well like you speak well yep and you have to play the game right or you? That's a very valuable African American. Or you got your, the ignorant ones who say, they try to put him in a box, but he's too smart. They try to put you in a box, but you're too smart, right? It's just like, oh, he's ignorant. He's the Dennis Rodman, and we can just monetize the madness, and we can produce it back to those people. So that's what they see as how to act

and we control that. You can control that. And so, but you can never kind of create your own lane where it's just like, you know, Jaden Brown said he wanted to do Black Wall Street. You know what I mean? Or Group Economics is on the back of my jersey in a bubble.

Yep. But that's a threat. And so it's how do you navigate in this world and it's just an interesting place right now, but that way the weight is money going up Is gonna be hard you can build and I'll be you start building on lane the unity is always gonna be the toughest thing for us because As much as we play together on the court when it comes to off the court It's hard to work together ego to even keep each other's attention to listen to a pitch, to listen to a concept.

Be like, yo, bro, we got some shit that we can take to the next level. Well, ah, man, you're a nigga. Let me talk to this white boy over here. He's developed. He has experience. It's like, yo, I've been listening to,

you know, I had a guy that was a C-level, like, icon, right? He died during the pandemic. He was with Goldman Sachs. He was with the Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, all that, walking me down the aisle of trying to be successful or be that group economics leader. But you don't get that opportunity to give back to certain guys

if you don't got the resources. Right, right. And the resources come from, like you, like you, that, like, people don't give Gil credit for the negotiation mind that he has. He's a genius. You being able to be the investment genius and understanding Silicon Valley, Golden State, three-time champion, boy, I was down here, winning on and off the court, y'all trippin', right? But if we don't ever tap in with each other,

we never gonna know it's even available or even the opportunities there, right? And Gil's always said about his off the court, like the Hibachi Farms and all that other stuff. Like he got some other shit that he don't even- Hibachi Farms! He just be sitting back. So I've been in the game since like 2016.

Like straight record style, guerrilla. I didn't know nothing about weed, never smoked a day in my life, right? I just understood numbers and watched a lot of drug movies. I was trying to get the concept of how are these guys making a million dollars a day in the poorest neighborhood? It doesn't make sense, right?

You would think they're in Beverly Hills doing all this stuff where the money's at. And then realizing by people consume on their vices versus bills. Yes. Right? So I started just watching customers. Watching, like calculating how much money they can make and spend and realize how are you guys afforded this right? Then I started using video game tactics right so like on a fortune of 15th I mean the 14th and the first right

so on like the 13th the 13th and like the 28th, I put out the best prices, right? Because I know you don't have no money. So I need you to go get it, right? So I'll do like if an eighth is, you know, 3.5 for like, you know, 40 bucks, I start with a 25, all top shelf, right?

Just try to flood the market, let you go out there and spend, and then on the first and the 15th, put it back to normal. Put it back to normal because you got money now. So I'm trying to get all your money at the beginning and then binge you at the end. So I went up from, I was doing like a thousand people a day.

So, you know, Al and all of them were in the game. And, you know, I told him, I said, hey, listen, I own about a thousand acres. So if you're trying to build, I just charge you rent. I charge you on nothing. I said, to be honest. Allegedly.

I said, to be honest, you have a formula I don't have. Right. You have all the genetics and this and that. Yeah. I have the land, right? So I'm going to need you to grow anyway. So what we just, you know, I'm telling people, I got all the land so y'all can just rent whatever.

I'm your landlord. That's the way I'm going to average you. You're like, I think you're going over here doing $20,000 a month, $40,000 a month. I'm thinking about $3,000. But I guess because, you know, it's like, you know, you don't know, right? And it's like, I mean, you know, I'm just one of those dudes, like, I can just tell you, like, I can propose to you. So, you know, I have, like, buildings on top of buildings, and I don't even do nothing.

I said, I'd rather podcast it. Well, genius. You know what I mean? You know, D.A. kept hitting cash flow, so I had to stop it. Catch it. But now you got Gil's Arena. Had a legitimate... The fourth most successful podcast in the space.

I'm saying fourth. The third. The second. First in the hearts of everybody. Live show, we number one. Live show. We got our own podcast. Best looking.

Mm. Mm. Best best. Shout out to D-Wade, man. Shout out to D-Wade, Hall of Famer. You know what I'm saying? Miami Heat. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to my guy, man.

I like that ass right there. Well, Andre, we appreciate y'all. Make sure you check out their Point Forward podcast. This has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy.

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