Gil's Arena - Ant-Man's HOT STREAK & Tatum's Return DIVIDES Gil's Arena

Episode Date: March 4, 2026

Anthony Edwards Has FOUND A New Gear according to Gilbert Arenas as Gil & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Ant-Man shaking off his head coach to put the Minnesota Timberwolves on his back and carry them ...to a 6-1 record over their last 7 games. They debate if Edwards & the Timberwoves are finally primed to get over the hump and advance past the Western Conference Finals for the first time in Ant-Man's career before reacting to another NBA Superstar getting into it with their head coach as Luka Doncic & JJ Redick were seen in a screaming match on the sidelines as the Los Angeles Lakers continue their downward trending season. Next, they react to more rumors surrounding Jayson Tatum's return to the Boston Celtics lineup as many believe the superstar will return by the end of this week and discuss what kind of role is waiting for Tatum inside the Celtics' surging rotation. Finally, they give their savage takes on the Atlanta Hawks' magic city night and give Kevin Durant his flowers for joining the NBA's 40,000 point club. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Nick Young, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $75 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) Show Start 0:00:00 Ant Man Shakes Off His Head Coach 0:02:31 Luka Will Never Win! 0:43:18 Jayson Tatum Set To Return To The Celtics 1:40:47 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 But this is Gil's virtual arena presented by Underdog Woo-Woot. I'm really a host Josiah Johnson. As always, we've got the NBA legend. Arc Raiders player, Gilbert Arenas here with us. What up, but-up, but-up. We got NBA champion of the world, Swaggy Pete, Nick Young,
Starting point is 00:00:15 back in the virtual arena. Little Dilo. With a haircut. Had to drop him down a little bit. Fuck, J-C. Yeah, man. He was mad. I guess he was mad.
Starting point is 00:00:33 I don't know. Something happened at Brandon's golf tournament, so. He was letting people hit golf balls off his junk. It was some things going down over there, but that's neither here nor there. It was a tough crowd. And a card-carrying country club member, we got Mr. B. Brandon, Janice, back here with us.
Starting point is 00:00:51 What up, what up? And last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry, NCAA champion of the world. Dr. Rashob McCann's Ph.D. Oh, okay, see, make sure. I didn't know we had the sound effects right now. We had to make sure we stay consistent. But we got a lot of things to discuss.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Here's what's cracking in Gil's Arena today. Wolves are six and one in their last seven games. Jump to fourth in the West. Will Ant Man leave Minnesota to their third straight conference finals? Jason Tatum still working towards a comeback, but says he ain't coming back to be no role player. What role will the six-time All-Star have if he does return? And Kevin Durant is the second fastest player.
Starting point is 00:01:32 to reach 32,000 career points. But will Katie become the second member of the 40,000 point club? Before we get to all that, this episode is brought to you by Underdog. Underdogs available in most states, including Texas, California, and Florida. New customers get $75 in bonus entries
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Starting point is 00:02:06 Anthony Edwards, Chris Finch, have been together in Minnesota for nearly all of the past six seasons. And in that time, they've had some heated exchanges. This past Thursday, no different during the Wolves win over the Clippers in L.A. And Ant Man's first trip back to the Intuit Dome, since winning All-Star Game MVP. Late in a tight game, Finch took issue with Ant Man taking a contested mid-range fadeaway, told him to pass the ball instead of listening to his head coach
Starting point is 00:02:29 and connected on back-to-back buckets, including contested three over two defenders with the wolves of one to give him a four point lead and what proved to be the game ceiling bucket. After hitting the shot, an man got in Finch's face, told him this is what the FI do.
Starting point is 00:02:45 Not in those words, much more vulgar, but proceeded to tell his teammates, same thing, while blasting Finch's demand that he give up the rock. After the game, Edwards addressed, ignoring his coach's request, and his mentality in clutch time. Every time right I touched it.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Yeah. I mean, some people are going to say I should pass the ball. I'd be all right. I think you have a better chance of winning if I shoot it. What's your coach for a lot of that? Me and my coach got the best relationship ever. You know, I mean, he'd be right most of the time. Well, 98% of the time, he'd be right.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Like, you know, he told me to pass the ball tonight, and I should have passed. But I shot it instead. And it went in. So, you know, the basketball guys was on my side, too. Basketball guys on the side and finish the game 31 points, of 24th shooting. Guilty respect, and man,
Starting point is 00:03:35 for ignoring Finch's request to pass and putting the team on his back in that win against the Clippers. I mean, long as you have the relationship with your coach, you know, you see something different, right?
Starting point is 00:03:47 You're looking at the game, you know, straight on that, that 2K version, right? That 2K viewed as your version. You know, coach got the sideline view. So you guys are both looking
Starting point is 00:03:57 at something different, you know, so what the coach is saying, he's right, what you're seeing is right. So usually start players, players who can get a bucket, right? The ideal of passes sometimes when they feel they got it, right? They will ignore that suggestion. But, you know, if he missed it, you know, coaches on his ass.
Starting point is 00:04:19 If he makes it, coach, he's like, okay. You know what I mean? So, you know, obviously it worked in Ant's favor, so there's nothing to complain about. Mr. B, you respect Antman, ignoring Finch's request to give up the right. putting the team on his back in that win against the clipper? Yeah, hell yeah, I respect it.
Starting point is 00:04:39 You know, he's, you know, that's just the type of player he is. His mentality is like Kobe, like Kobe and Jordan. He played hard every night. You know, when he mess up, you take responsibility for what he does. And he's been, and since he's got in the league, you know, he's been trying to put this team on his back and take his team farther. So I definitely respect it and keep going. That kid's a dog.
Starting point is 00:05:02 Kid is a dog. Only 24 years old. A wise round is here. Sixth season in the league. Swaggless move on to you. You respect Amman for ignoring Finchie's demand to pass the ball to his teammates. Oh, man. That was the best scene.
Starting point is 00:05:19 That's something, the best thing I ever seen. Talking to the coach like that, oh, Lord. Man. But now that obviously depends on that relationship. but that to me is why Ant Man is most people favorite player right there. His mentality attitude, it brings you back in a time where you've seen the Kobe's, Jewelman's, them type of players. You got it.
Starting point is 00:05:50 He's the man, man. Hopefully take this mentality all the way into the playoffs. Most definitely, last but not least, let's move on to Cemetery, Larry. What you think about, Ant Man? Not listening to Finchie, hitting that go-ahead or that three-pointer put him up for getting in his grill, let him know this is what the F I do. Talking about pass the ball. I think it comes with ultimate trust.
Starting point is 00:06:16 I think like you said, having a good relationship with the coach is important. But I think having the trust that making the right play is something that the coach is always looking for. And I think it's twofold. You know, he did take a shot over two people, miss it. Coach didn't like that shot. Maybe somebody was open, but he ended up doing the same shot again and making it. So it's ultimately having to trust in your player to make plays. I think sometimes the coaches go overboard with what they see, you know,
Starting point is 00:06:49 kind of like what Gil just said, the viewpoint from the sideline to the first person. And it's always going to see his shot as being the most important shot, especially when he has the ball. But the coach is always going to see something different. So I think with this particular scenario for Antman, he wants to trust for his coach, so he don't have to hear shit like that. Like trust me, I got the ball.
Starting point is 00:07:13 This is what I do. Don't be time to tell me to pass it unless I see it. I'll pass it. And if I don't got it, it's on me. I have to take that. I think that he's willing to do that too. I think he's willing to take the blame if he was to miss that shot in the corner.
Starting point is 00:07:27 Everything turns around and everybody's looking at him like, damn, the nigger told you to pass it the last possession and you win shot it again and you missed it, you know, that dynamic would be totally different. But he said the basketball guys was in his favor, and that made more sense when the ball do go win because you want that trust, you want those moments. And I think that him, he's growing into that. He's growing into not forcing these moments. He's living, you know, day by day, going through the floor of the game, and it's benefiting him a lot.
Starting point is 00:07:56 Yeah, Seth Finchie, 90% right, but that 2% One of those moments. You're 98% right, but there's 2% right here. I got to go ahead and take this. Like you said, I know what I'm seeing. It's a little bit different that you am out here and here living in this game right now. But again, I want to ask you, as the go-to guy, putting in situations like that, how should you approach knowing when to
Starting point is 00:08:19 to facilitate and when to take over a game in a moment like that? Well, time possession, which teammate is? you know, lukewarm, hot, who's in sync, who's in rhythm. What are they actually doing for me to pass the ball? So, you know, I used to talk to Eddie Jordan, you know, after game sometimes when he says pass the ball. And we're both looking at the film. And I'm like, well, I'm open.
Starting point is 00:08:45 And when he explained it, it made sense. He said, look, obviously they're going to start doubling at some point. So if you keep the defense honest by passing the ball here in the, there when they do decide to double, when it's time to get those buckets, they'd be hesitant to come double. And that little hesitation from fully doubling, that's your shot. So when he put it in those perspectives and, you know, now he's telling me to pass the ball. I, okay, let me, let me throw it, get off of it, instead of saying, no, I got this, right? This ain't nothing. I'm just burned by, he said, you got to set them up for the long game. You got to play chess out there.
Starting point is 00:09:25 Right? So you have to give a big shot to give up, you know, to get two shots. Have you ever shot over a double team deal? Average 29. Do you know what that feel like, though? I average 29 in the NBA. That means I shot over five people before, plenty of time. No, I don't think I've seen one of those. All yours is one-on-one hands in the air.
Starting point is 00:09:50 I don't think your game winners are two people like that. I waved off all five players, waved off the coaches, the ref. Right, there's plenty of it. You come and sub, you sub, me in, get the fuck out of it. I then did it an average 29, right? That means I've done everything under the sun when it came to trying to put the ball on the basket. But you also have two other people that average 20. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:14 So it's hard to double team somebody like that. So if I'm averaging 29 with two other people averaging 20, that means we got to the, we got to the Yams quick. But that's wrong. But in a situation, they always double-team him, and it's good to finally see him shoot over double teams. Like in the playoff, that's all, like, Denver did. And he don't got nobody else, two other people averaging 20, I feel like.
Starting point is 00:10:39 Oh, just go watch for him. I was getting quadruble team as a rookie because I went past the ball. No, yeah, that team is different. That, yeah, that team right there. Bobby Sur and shit, yeah, you have to shoot over the team. So I did it before. Let's talk about another side of that. So I followed that up there to win over the Nuggets.
Starting point is 00:11:02 He was getting doubled in that game. They ended up not getting swept in that season. They're getting their first win over the Nuggets. But he said his approach to double teams changed last season, he talked about how much he hated. Going up against double teams, this time he has a little bit better perspective. He said he trusts his four over the other teams three when they do decide to do that. So we just see that growth in Ant, man.
Starting point is 00:11:21 What does that show you as playing in the six season in the league now? However you see the game, you see the game? I knew one thing. You only get doubled when the weaker defenders guarding you, and then they come down. If you have the primary defender on you, like a Kau Islander, like if you got one of those guys guarding you, those guys' ego says don't double. Right? Those are the guys you want on you all times because they feel that first team, second team, defense, all that shit, it actually means something.
Starting point is 00:12:03 So usually when you're doubling, you have one, you know, you have an off guard and then the other one comes in, you know, the main guy comes in double. So usually I wanted the best defender on me because that means behind him is weaker defenders. If you got the weaker defender on you, then the defense is keen to protect him. So I wouldn't attack, let's say, Luca, because the defense is ready for Luca to get beat. But if you attacking Vandal or Marcus Smart, everybody is playing their man on man because they don't feel those guys are going to get beat off the job by that fast. So I went at the head defender. Wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 00:12:42 I like that. He said, I like that. I like that. He says his four. He trusts his four. Better than the other teams, three, but he still shot that bitch on two people. Wait, wouldn't it be an easier shot on Luca, though?
Starting point is 00:12:57 Because I can get into my shot easier because my first move, Luca is done. So why would I want the best defender on me? I wouldn't want Luca on me. Because they keen up on you to drive, but if you wanted to shoot it, yeah. I mean, yeah, I'm just saying I'm going to be able to score regardless. Like my first move,
Starting point is 00:13:15 the second move, I'm going to be able to get to my shot. So it's like it's going to be easier to score for Luca though, right? Kyrie, right? If he has, if he's, if step is sticking him, what is the rest of the defense doing? Right? They're going to be coming over. They're going to be moving up. So it's going to be a little harder to do that because they are prepared for, for
Starting point is 00:13:33 stuff that could be. Now, if Clay's guarding them, it's one-on-one, nobody's helping. Because they're not, they, they trust Clay. Those are the ones you take off because nobody is expecting Clay to get beat. off the dribble and get to the, you know. So I always wanted the main guy on me. I think, I think his statement, him trusting his four is twofold based on them knowing
Starting point is 00:14:01 that he going to take the shot and then him trusting if he don't take the shot, who is going to pick up the pieces for him? I think watching the game, going to Rudy and then making Rudy make the play. Surprisingly, Rudy was. us making the play and admit and passing to the to the wings. It's up to Devinchenzo and Nas Reed and McDaniels to hit them shots and Asumu. I think he really in a good place right now. I think decision making, like Nick said, being able to actually hit shots over the double team and practicing that, no one getting comfortable with that is going to let the team know
Starting point is 00:14:41 that he can do that. And when you can do that, I think. It gives trust on both sides where he does give the ball up. He's not a habitual ball hog. I think he knows in certain areas of the game where he know he need to take it. Like he said at the end, he said, I was going to shoot that bitch every time I touched it. It's because it's his responsibility to take the team over the top because he's going to get criticized if he don't. And I think that's what the coach needs to understand in those moments that if he don't take the shot, you're going to be like, why you ain't take the shot?
Starting point is 00:15:13 And then it's up to him to really have a discernment to say, fuck all that. We're not even going to have that conversation. You're not going to pin that on me. I'm going to shoot that bitch because I'm the only one on here that can. And I like that about him. Yeah, and I think that mentality shifts game to game. We're talking about that Clippers game.
Starting point is 00:15:29 He made those comments about the doubles, I believe, after that Nuggets game, he finished that game with 21 points, but was able to play a different type of game. And I think for him just having the perspective, I'm going to do what I have to do to win. Sometimes it's my night. I got to take this thing over, get the 30 people. other times I can trust my teammates, trust the DeVincenzo, Bones Highland,
Starting point is 00:15:47 nods, like you said, A-O, the rest of that crew to get it done for me as well. But let's keep this thing moving, grooving. So, like I said, they beat the nuggets. Are you got a hotel? Yeah, you know, I got kicked out the house. Yeah. How it goes.
Starting point is 00:16:06 No, I'm getting my roof. I'm getting my roof repair, so I couldn't do it at the crib with all that noise and stuff going on. Yeah, I had to get my, I had to get my repair, too. Yeah, you already know. It leaves, man, to be blocking the gutter and then the water be trickling through the house, man. Yes, it do, sir, the leaks, but back to the back in the local hotel in the Willing Hills area, camped out. I know that hotel.
Starting point is 00:16:30 I know that hotel. I know you do, Gil, and I know you very aware. Shout out to all the Bomb Boy members in the chat. Quickly before we do move on, we ask the chat, respect and for shaking off. His head coach, nearly 2,600 votes, 83% of the chat. Respects Ant Man for telling Finchie to kick rocks. I'm more just a fan of the aftermath of it. Obviously, Ann was emotional after to play and letting him know.
Starting point is 00:16:58 But wolves, like I said, followed up that went up with the Clippers with the win over the Nuggets, avoided the season sweet. They're one and three against the Nuggets this season. Six and one in their last seven games. Currently fourth in the West, just a half game behind the Rockets for the third spot. made back-to-back conference finals. How much faith do you have in the wolves and Ant Man leading this team
Starting point is 00:17:17 to their third straight conference finals this season? It's all matchups, right? You know, I mean, when you're talking about teams that are just, you know, they're good teams, right? You're talking about one, two, three, four, top five teams could win the championship, right? So when you're talking about those five,
Starting point is 00:17:41 from there, you're just talking about, you know, know, that road, that road to the championship, you know, who you're going to match up first, second in the playoffs. So there's going to be a lot of moving around in these last, these last couple of weeks to position themselves, you know, to make it far in the playoffs. So, you know, they've had success. They haven't gotten over the top due to like certain teams they play. Is it Denver or is it OKC, right? But they have the talent to, they have their talent to win the championship, just like the other four or five, you know, Denver, OKC, Spurs, and Houston.
Starting point is 00:18:27 So, you know, just placing themselves in the right situation could lead to Western Conference Finals and the champ. Let's shift over to you, Mr. B. Mr. B, you previously said, Amman has that Kobe, that MJ, mentality in terms of offensively knowing when to put the team on his back, takeover games. But how much faith do you have in Amman now sixth season leading these wolves to their third straight conference finals appearance? I got a lot of faith in Antman.
Starting point is 00:18:57 I don't know about the team. Just because, you know, their record, I mean, the record in the West is 23 and 17 against Western Conference teams. But, you know, if they meet up a team like Denver right now, you know, I don't see them getting past Denver in the first round, you know, if it was to end today. So I think they got a lot of work to do as far as trying to move away from Denver. And I think they have a better chance of, you know, getting out the first round. But if it ends today, you know, I don't see it.
Starting point is 00:19:28 I think they much rather prefer trying to get to that three spot, potentially having a meeting with the Lakers or sons or any of those, those teams on that side. But let's move over to you, Cemetery, Larry. How much faith do you have Ant Man in this Wool Squad? making their third straight conference finals? I think they got a pretty big bright spot. I think with teams like Ant Man, and I go back even for the history of the game,
Starting point is 00:19:55 when you get to the playoffs, it's not really about your star player. It's about the intangible pieces, the role players, the corner players, the corner players, how they show up for the game. We're going to expect Ant Man to give us his 30, 35, but it's always going to be about how he integrates this team. in the playoff.
Starting point is 00:20:14 And I think if we've seen the last five champions, it's always been the other guys that stepped up to help the stars shine and get to where they're supposed to go. And I think that's going to be the ultimate deciding factor with this playoffs this year is what are the other guys? I mean, a lot of conversation goes around the star players all the time. The shot? Okay, there we go.
Starting point is 00:20:46 It's always going to be about those other guys and what they do to step up to the plate. and when you have essentially some guys that could go out there and get you 15-20 and there's four or more of those guys. I think, man, may have a chance, but I think Devin Chendo's a little bit erratic. I think McDaniels is a little bit erratic.
Starting point is 00:21:06 You can't really just, you can't trust Rudy Gobert to get you 15, 20 every night. Man. Nasree, really, he kind of plays like Bobby Portis now. You really don't know how, or when he's going to show up for a big game. so I can trust them as far as I could throw them and I think for the most part
Starting point is 00:21:25 I got them as a sleeper but I ain't going to sleep too long I ain't going to sleep too long for it I don't know it's up in the air though on this Minnesota thing yeah I mean that road to the conference final are you going to be a meeting with OKC or San Antonio that's what obviously is going to look like in that second round
Starting point is 00:21:47 so having to get past either defending chance they can walk they can walk some down i think they can walk some people down but it's got us all every series i think should be tight i think it's going to be tight series with them no in the playoffs they're not going to dominate no i mean i mean they're all and two against the lakers if they're they're oh man stop man stop so you say if they play the lakers they it's going to be tough i say it's it's going to be tight it's going to be tight what was all right dude so what was different from last shooting this year like amy got a better ant man i feel like do i think ant man is just do i think amman is just too big for the program all right it goes it goes five it goes five maybe six listen listen
Starting point is 00:22:32 that's tight if it's going six it's tight right i think i think him is not tight i don't feel like kg was in and hell brother listen if they played if they played denver first round they're out of here They put Denver out Last time they met The one in three this year against Denver It don't matter Okay, all right, well last year was last year And last year was last year
Starting point is 00:22:57 Last two years Not this last year, last two years They owe and two against the Lakers And the Sun so if they moved down, what? Have you seen the Lakers play? Listen, I'm just saying I'm just going by the record. I'm just going by what their record against these teams
Starting point is 00:23:15 they're going to be in LA again is this your king walking the streets downtown and five all I can do is just go by their record
Starting point is 00:23:26 and what they are so it ain't looking you know they ain't you know so how many times they lost the Lakers last year I want to see that
Starting point is 00:23:32 I don't see the Lakers giving them no problem I agree with you I'm about to say I mean but if yeah I just don't I don't see the Lakers
Starting point is 00:23:41 doing a goddamn thing to be honest they on some bullshit right now but If there was any other team other than the like the top five teams, Houston, Houston, it's going to be good. Houston going to be good.
Starting point is 00:23:54 Denver going to be good. OKC going to be good. I even think the Spurs would be a great matchup, but everybody else underneath that, I don't know. Like, maybe the sons, maybe. But I don't see the match up for the sons being able to match up the powerful power. Okay. I don't even know what the leg has gotten into this. They're not going to be, they see right.
Starting point is 00:24:20 Right now they're in fourth. So the playoffs started today, they're going to play Denver first, then OKC. The Lakers are four. Oh, shit. I thought they would. No, Minnesota's four, Denver five. So they play Denver first. If they get out of that, then they play OKC.
Starting point is 00:24:36 But only a couple of games separating all those teams. So there's going to be some moving and shaking. Again, you don't want to be four or five because round two, you play OKC. So you want to get to three. I play OKC right now. The best place to be in this playoff is three or six. Three six or six? If you play three six, then you play Winbyn them at two.
Starting point is 00:25:02 You don't want to play Denver, Houston. You don't want to play them first round. Then you got OKC the first round. You don't want to play in the second round of champs. That's just a hard. That's just that's just a hard, hard, hard growth to. So, you know, so they'd be trying to get to it.
Starting point is 00:25:19 They'd be trying to get the three just like Houston's like, yeah, I'd rather deal with the Lakers. I'd rather deal with the Lakers. They'd be O KC though. And I said, I really do with the Lakers and San Antonio versus Denver and OKC. They're not being different. How many games they play against OEC this year or so forth?
Starting point is 00:25:45 It doesn't matter. Playoffs, playoffs is different, different game. Different game in playoffs. We know that. Two and one. They're two and one against him.
Starting point is 00:25:55 All right, so that mean they'll beat them, Bernie? Who? Minnesota. You said the Lakers beat Timberwoods two times, so it. I mean, that's just me with that team.
Starting point is 00:26:07 I'm saying for OKC, no, they're not beating OKC. And they're damn sure not beating Denver, so we don't even know. why we're talking about okay c you see okay we can put we could put something on it too i think okay c is a better match up for the timber wolves than another team and and listen i'm not going to blame antman it's just it just ain't enough timber wolves ain't they did the same thing with kg dog but they ain't go this far over kg they made the western conference finals yeah no that's yeah that's
Starting point is 00:26:46 Yeah, that's fine. I mean, KG got MVP there. You know, they both accomplished something, but a championship, it just doesn't sit. I don't see a championship going to Minnesota. And it ain't because I just don't think it's just, it doesn't give it. Hey, if Julius Randall was playing at a higher level,
Starting point is 00:27:06 I would consider it. But he ain't showing me all NBA Julius Randall. Did y'all see that man out there? every since the all-star break. Come on. All right. Best better to leave. I got faith in that.
Starting point is 00:27:25 You're going to have 81 soon. Who's going to have 81 swiggy? He's in shots like that now over two people with confidence? It's going to be when he has a bad team, not any time in the next three years. Huh? To score 81 points? Your team has to be bad enough for you to take every shot, and the game has to be close enough for you to stay in the game.
Starting point is 00:27:54 His team is in a championship type of window, so he's not going to be able to try to take that many shots to try to score anyone. You got to be like he got to be on like a Blazers right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, facts. No.
Starting point is 00:28:13 Yeah To get, hell yeah. He could definitely What you think the team look like? For somebody to score 72 or 81 or what the team look like? Yeah, so you're saying when you were scoring 60, you couldn't do.
Starting point is 00:28:31 Come on. How you score 60? 60 is not that far from 81, motherbook. It is. Yeah. It is. All right, Gil. It is, sir.
Starting point is 00:28:42 But, no. He got different teammates. Joe teammates all. In Mo buckets. No, no. You got different type of teammates. You got teammates that wanted to be number one with you. He don't got teammates like that.
Starting point is 00:28:56 Like, if you got 40, you're like, shit, man, I got to get mine. I got to get 30. That's how your teammates was thinking back then. Y'all was fine for all-star spots. But you can get that. Minnesota on Julius Randall is not like that. I feel like if Batman had it going, that whole team would let them get it. 100% yeah julia he has that type of team yeah if julius run on having going he's going to
Starting point is 00:29:18 no he has that type of team if he got it hard i tried it when cat was doing it that that's that type of team that's that type of team when cat oh cat they had you got 60 something we're going to try to get you that's that type of team that's not a winning team that's trying to win the championship like they yeah they were trying to win that year they were trying to win that year yeah that's the 10 they went to the west of college final Not Easton Conference Finals. No, the team with Cat, the team with Cat before they got rid of him that year,
Starting point is 00:29:48 they was, they was, they was good enough. But I understand what you're doing it, though, because it was like the dynamic was they was trying to win the game and Cat was trying to get his numbers. Yeah. Didn't they lose that game? There was a game by then. No, no, no.
Starting point is 00:30:05 I think they won that game, but he just called him out. Yeah. The press conference, yeah. He did something real funny, I think. But you don't think he had that type of teammates, you know? He don't got the Karan. Julius's Koran. No, shut the fuck.
Starting point is 00:30:29 I mean, no, no, no. The Quran just didn't pass it to you. You didn't earn it. That's different. Very different. I'm the pastor, none of you, motherfuckers. He got the boy in one spot. Hey, tough juice.
Starting point is 00:30:41 Us are tough juice. Yeah, tough juice. Got the ball in that same spot. I'm going to fuck what you're on. Yeah, see, that's the too juice you know. That was all the tough juice I know. Yeah, I don't know. That's when you was there too.
Starting point is 00:30:56 So I said you was there. But you know, you know, I had, you know, I was a three-time All-Star All-N-Bee before you got there. I didn't do nothing when you got there. I was hurt when you got there. You got, you got the most money ever in your life when I got there. You. Yeah, because what I already did before you got there.
Starting point is 00:31:13 I know that, Gil. You don't know what the team look like before you got there. You don't know everyone's role before you got there. All right. I just know the mentality. I know the mentality. Once I was out, the mentality changed. Like, you know, like when Kobe was there with you early, you had a mentality.
Starting point is 00:31:33 When he was off the floor for a period of time, your mentality changed. Now, imagine if you made an all-star when Kobe wasn't there. And then Kobe tried to limp his way back in there. You're going to be like, oh, whoa, what is this over here? Joe. Yeah, he'd have a different hat. He wasn't an all-star with you? No, he made an all-star with you?
Starting point is 00:31:54 Oh, I thought. Oh, see, I thought he was an all-star. It was. And then when I got hurt, Quran took over, and then it was Karan. Oh, my bad, my bad. But he still was fine for that spot. Not what I got hurt. It was his.
Starting point is 00:32:11 No, I'm talking about for that. second spot. Yeah, when I was, when I was, when I was, yeah. How about that? He came in at the six,
Starting point is 00:32:20 he came in as, uh, he, he came to us as a six man. I remember he came to me, he came to us as a six man. They, they picked them for six man.
Starting point is 00:32:28 And the way he was playing off the bench, like, daw, it was like, yo, yo, he, he can't be on it anymore.
Starting point is 00:32:36 It was like, like, 10, 10 games, and then he's a starter. He's, like he went from six man to the third. option just like that 10 games third option.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Like, man. All right, guys. That's your son. Niggins, I ain't me. That's why he does not have sound effect control, Gil. But last thing on the admin front where we move on. So in third the league in scoring this season is averaging a career high 29.5 points per game.
Starting point is 00:33:06 We're going to round up to 30 because that's what we do here in Gil's virtual arena. Along with career best of 49% from the field, nearly 40% 40% from three. Scoring averages gone up in each of his first six seasons in the league. Thanks. When you look at Amman, what growth have you seen in Ant Man's game the past few seasons and what areas does he still need to develop?
Starting point is 00:33:26 I mean, if you just look at how he's played what the critics said last year, he's cleaned that up, but they said two years ago he cleaned it up last year. So, you know, he's one of those guys. If you nickpick at his game, he goes into the summer. He works on that. So with age comes wisdom. and he's just getting wiser at the things he does, right? The skill set is the skill set.
Starting point is 00:33:50 You know, he's becoming more potentate at how he delivers his blows. And that's just growth of just being in the league year after year. So he's only, what, 27? Wait, no. 24. 24. 24 in August. Yes, this is a baby.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Man. This ain't even, man. This is a man that's just coming out there just playing and excited. This is not the Anthony Edwards, Ant-Man, Mr. Adidas. This is not, he's not in championship mode. He's 23, about to be 24? 24. He turned 24 and 100, so we're 25.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Listen, he's 27 to 30. That's, that's, that's, that's when we're going to see a whole. different dude. That's when he's going to understand everything about this game. That's, that's, that's a scary look. That's man, you're going to get traded. What I mean by this is, that's when he's going to be a Laker, though. You remember, you remember Jalen Brown and Tatum at 22 and 23? Everybody, all this and that, that, and that. Look at their games now at 26 and 27. For sure, for sure. Very different players, right? It's just growth, understanding the game, understanding defense, understanding concepts.
Starting point is 00:35:15 Right. He's just mature, and he's getting wiser as he ages. Man. Jalen Brown, 29 now, girl. 29. I know, but when he obviously won a chip at that age of race. So you think Aunt by age 27 will have a chip in the National Basketball Association or be at that level, at least the finals of parents.
Starting point is 00:35:33 He had an MVP. He probably, yeah, he have MVP, you know, scoring champ probably. He didn't have a championship. By 27? Listen, he going to do all the things KG did. Just, it's just not going to be. He could if he, yeah, he goes somewhere else. So you think MVP, though.
Starting point is 00:35:52 Let's shift it to that, not even a ring, MVPless individual accolades, obviously. Yeah. More important than team accomplishment. Unless they purposely trying to get away from. But, yeah, I think so. Yeah. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:36:05 I think, you know, I think for, you know, I think for, man. And the focus should be winning championships. I think when you look at the landscape of all of the players that we can put a hard cap on their talent and their potential as far as getting better every summer. I remember saying it about Jason Taylor, and as far as his skill set, maybe after that finals run against LeBron and him,
Starting point is 00:36:33 it was a situation. It was a, yeah, when I seen his skill set and it was like, all right, he's not going to get, he's not going to show me more than what he's shown me, but he's going to get more refined. He's going to have to refine the skill sets that he's brought into the league, and he's going to have to sharpen his toolset. I think the same thing with Jalen Brown.
Starting point is 00:36:55 The difference here is Anthony Edwards can actually do other things, similar to how Colb changed his game every summer, post work, midwork, two dribble pull up, between the legs, between the legs. Half spin, full spin, getting to the post, setting up combinations, shooting over double teams, hit game winners, all that kind of stuff. I think is the only one that shows me that he has that potential at 24. So by the time he's 28, he can still get better.
Starting point is 00:37:28 He can still bring other things to his game. I don't think anybody else in the league can show that. I don't think they have that type of potential. Maybe a job Morant if he had a different type. of outlook as far as where he sees his game. I think he has that potential. But Ed was on a different level right now. He's reminiscing the cold when Kobe was off those championships.
Starting point is 00:37:52 And you've seen that veracity in his eyes. You've seen he wanted that hunger to win more. I think if Ant gets one of them under his belt or even gets closer to going to the finals and just feeling what that feels like. And I think that'll be a different. a whole different mold for him. Yeah, the game just going to come easier, too. So I think by 27, he for sure will have on, you know,
Starting point is 00:38:18 he's just going to keep getting better than everybody else. And everybody else going to keep getting older, too. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. Hold on, Gary, see your face before we do. Any final thought? No, no, I'm not saying everybody going to keep getting older, like his ass is about to see the same age. Well, I'm just saying, compared to a Luca oldness
Starting point is 00:38:42 is different than everybody else oldness to me. Oh, no, no, no, no. Okay, makes sense. You got to remember that Wimby, that Wimby's going to be getting, he's going to be developing into a monster, too. So I'm just, he has a short window. Like when you think, when you think about greats,
Starting point is 00:39:05 you don't think it could be like Duncan and Kobe? They expanded their window. It could be a Kobe. That's what I'm saying. It could be a Kobe situation where he's stuck in his middle ground, right? So right now, his age, he ain't MVP dominant. Like I can dominate every year. That's Yolkich, right?
Starting point is 00:39:26 So that's Yokic, Janus, and let's say, Shea. And Lucas trading right there, right? By the time Edman gets ready to establish himself. yourself, you probably have, when, when, Wendy's coming, right? Winby's getting older too. Wimby's getting wiser too. Defensively, he's already there. We just ain't been paying it to him.
Starting point is 00:39:50 I mean, they're not, you know, they're not putting it out there. But once his offense kicked in, then he's going to run a table. So there's going to be a point where Ann's going to have to sneak it in within the next two years. Because you're talking about Wimby, Wemby 5, but Wemby 5, shit, Wimby next year might be a whole different demon. But I'm just saying it can it be like a ducking and Kobe situation? Like they was going back and forth as far as later. Championships, well, we're talking about MVP.
Starting point is 00:40:15 You remember, like when Kobe was getting ready for his MVP run, LeBron James came. I wasn't thinking about the NBA. I wasn't talking about the team. I'm just talking about dominating as for them MVP's. You got, you know, Tim Duncan Shack and, you know, Kobe's trying to figure out how to get. I feel like they want to give it to win me before they give it to Ant Man. It's just timing, man. It's just that timing.
Starting point is 00:40:41 But, you know, you're talking about Wimby. Like they'd rather give it to them this year coming off the bench, the games they come. Like, they want to give MVP or something to Wimby so bad. Well, the defensive player to year, but you see the growth, though, even in season, year three with this first and second in the West, like. Game winners over two people.
Starting point is 00:41:03 And he's never, he normally get talked about us. MVP like because what he does off the court's attitude like no that ain't that ain't that ain't that ain't you don't get mentioned the league loves that man I love yeah I love yeah but I mean you see what Winby team is you see how
Starting point is 00:41:23 like you see where they at and they got Nick Nick we got to go back to the look test right if you if MVP was based on look test ant man would be top three on how it looked, the difficulty and all that. You think about how many MVP's code could have won based on the look test
Starting point is 00:41:44 and what he was doing, the shot making, and who was on his team. And you look at who was winning the MVP, it wasn't based on look test. So right now that's not what's happening. Because of situations, though. That's the only reason. It's a perception, of course,
Starting point is 00:42:02 but it's still how it looked. Ants being consistent. So if he's being just as consensus at SGA, it must be the SGA making it look a little bit different with his consistency. Same with Joker. He got a different team, though. I'm just saying, I don't know. Let's his fan-wise, people love him.
Starting point is 00:42:24 He's keeping the NBA alive for me right now. I'm just saying. He's keeping the American player alive. Oh, my God. Shout out to Anthony Edwards. but we talked about Andy Edwards, Chris Finch getting into it. So speaking of player coach relations, clip surface from this weekend's Lakers Warriors game,
Starting point is 00:42:42 which appears to show a confrontation between Slovenia and Jesus, Luca Dodgik and Lakers head coach, J.J. Reddick. Let's take a look at the video if we can, please. I did not respect that, man. As Luca was subbed out of the game late in the first quarter with the Lakers up 17, LeBron passed him on the chest. J.J. Reddick tries to grab him by the wrist.
Starting point is 00:43:02 Luca pays him no mind. Didn't even look his way. Continued walking to his seat. Reddick followed Luca. Two had an exchange as Lucas sat down. Why don't like him? If you look closely, Luca says something, appears to put his hand out for a debt.
Starting point is 00:43:18 JJ kind of just looks at him, walks off Luca. Gives up, Jared Vanderbilt being a great teammate that he is, does not skip a beat. That was a cold scream. Gets in the way, Sese. That was a cold. It doesn't even go set screams like that in the game. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:43:33 arguably his best green of the season. Lakers had lost three straight games heading into that Warriors matchup. Obviously, smacked the Warriors and the Kings, now one, two straight. But, again, when you look at that situation, is Luca getting into it with JJ Redick a big deal? Obviously, we know they've had a relationship with each other for a long time. It's basketball, right? Temper's flare, you know, emotions are high. You know, we don't know what was going on in that moment.
Starting point is 00:44:01 You subbed me out. I don't want to be subbed out. I mean, there's just a lot of things that go on, but that's normal. And I know if, you know, you sent me out at the wrong time, you know. No, you ain't never did that, though. You talk shit, but how do you ever snatch your hand away from the coach? All right, okay, let's try this again. Before you got there, I was a three-time all-star three-time all NBA, okay?
Starting point is 00:44:27 I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You never got devil's, I said you never got devil's here. I'm sorry. When I'm saying, when you got there, I was. I was chilled. I'm sorry. Okay, let's try this again.
Starting point is 00:44:40 Let's just try to understand. Before you got there, I was a Dowden player. Okay? When you got there, I was chill. So whatever you did, I didn't care. I was hurt. I'm not talking about that. But as your personality, though.
Starting point is 00:44:56 Before you got there, all that extra shit, you're serving me out. I don't get, fuck, how many files I got, there was a problem. You might want to look at some of the minutes I play. The backup point guard minute, minute and a half. Minute, minute a half. That's all you got.
Starting point is 00:45:11 That's all you getting. I'm playing 48. Don't sub me when you have a problem. But had you ever showed your coach up by snatching your hand? No, watch out, man. I told you don't sub me. Watch out. My bad.
Starting point is 00:45:25 Show myself back in. I got served out. I walk right, sub, walk right to the western aim. Right back. Let's go. Thank you for teaching the kids to do that. You asked a question. Swaggy, the kids already know.
Starting point is 00:45:41 I didn't teach you what I did. I just told you what I did. I'm trying to win. Hey, first of all, Swaggy, wasn't you, wait, wait, way, swaggy. And this was a dial down me. What happened during that, was it, the Boston?
Starting point is 00:45:56 I remember, though. That was a dial down me. How did I sound then? If the motherfuckers ain't ready, don't put their asses in the game. That was dial down, GA. Well, I'm saying that would have been a bigger deal. I've never seen nobody like,
Starting point is 00:46:14 shut up the coach hand out the way back in the day. That's my thing. They didn't show that type of stuff. He was probably trying to tell them why I'm serving you out, and he was like, I don't want to hear it. Probably one of those. Mr. B. What you got?
Starting point is 00:46:29 I feel like they're going to have to, if they can't get it done this year, they're going to have to change coaches. Yeah. Oh, wow. I can simply see that happening. For sure. Also, also just like seeing stuff like that with Luca,
Starting point is 00:46:43 I mean, he always does this with coaches and when he doesn't get his way, he just always be like pouting and don't want to play. Man. Is it a European thing, Mr. Bix? I don't know if the ladies could win a championship with him like that. Try it. I just don't.
Starting point is 00:46:58 I don't know, man. I just don't know if the ladies can win a championship like that with him. I mean, because it's like, yes, he's great offensively, but it's like, what else? He don't be doing nothing on the other end. What else? So to be fair, to be mad at JJ,
Starting point is 00:47:13 yeah, I know JJ rotations and schemes and stuff is not all like that, but it's still like, I don't know, I don't know. I just don't see the Lakers ever win in the championship with Luka. So Mr. B, J.J. Redick, Luca, both got extensions this offseason reports are that they've compared a J.J., a lot of people in the Lakers organization
Starting point is 00:47:30 feel like he could be the next Pat Riley type to lead this Lakers squad. in the future but do you think if they what do they need to do this season to make sure that he keeps his job? No, I'm not saying, no, Jay J.J. wants, the way Jay J.J. wants to win, I just don't think it's going to fit there for the Lakers.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Like, I can see J.J. going to like, I don't know, like another team. But far as like, the way he coaches and his intensity getting on players, I just don't see it, I just don't see it sitting well with Luca. And the way he is. And the way you're trying to hold people accountable with it. So, so for me,
Starting point is 00:48:04 I don't, I think JJ just isn't the fit because if your superstar player is going to be Luca for the next years and, you know, I just don't see it working out. Hmm. I think that this situation has showed his rear head. It's reminiscent to what's happened in Dallas. I think people tried to roll it off on Nico, but I think that Luca and Jay Kid had problems. I think that they was wrapping that shit up under the rugs but I feel like
Starting point is 00:48:38 if Luca can display this type of shit with a former player and he like the same thing was happening with Jason Kidd trying to figure out how to get through to him without all the whining and all of the expectations it's hard to coach a player like that
Starting point is 00:48:54 you know when I need to give you a rest and sit your ass down and then get your ass back in I trust you just get arrest real quick. Like if there's no understanding on that, even when you it's going to be a detriment because your leader is walking off the floor having a problem.
Starting point is 00:49:12 Everybody thinks that they can have the same type of problem and it's going to trickle down. But it could be something as minute as just a miscommunication. But I don't think so. I think this has been happening all year long. I think it's been covered up through
Starting point is 00:49:26 the elephant in the room, trying to figure out who's team it is. do you play well with these players on the floor, all of that. And it's all come from Dallas. Dallas not addressing the real reason why they really want Luca there and deciding to go defensive and all these different scenarios. I think at some point when I got off Luca when I was like, yo, man, I'm cool on dude, man.
Starting point is 00:49:51 He was still in Dallas. I didn't like the way it was moving. So I think it's similar. It's starting to show. So, Sean, you think the math giving up Luca for AD, Max Christie, and the first round pick was all you needed to see in terms of what they were willing to get rid of him for
Starting point is 00:50:08 in terms of how they viewed him. Yeah, I mean, if everybody said this was the biggest gift that the Lakers can get in the world is getting Luca Donches. Like, I always said, why the hell would you give him up if there wasn't a real problem? Yeah, would you trade
Starting point is 00:50:27 Ant Man for Luca? For him. If I'm Minnesota, but for the Lakers, I would. Because if that was the biggest gift. I believe that was one of the deals that was potentially being discussed at that point before Luca ended up with the Lakers. That was a gift. Would the Lakers be in a better position right now if they had Ant Man?
Starting point is 00:50:51 They wouldn't. No, they wouldn't. They would. It's two different. But, okay, first of all, who team was this a year? a year ago. This is a LeBron team. This was built around LeBron.
Starting point is 00:51:07 A new superstar came. The team hasn't been built around Luca. Right? This is once you got to take these pieces, get rid of these pieces, get the pieces that fit him, for him and his team to be moving, how they're supposed to be moving. Right?
Starting point is 00:51:24 So if they win this year, if they don't, it don't matter because it is not a full Luca team yet. We can only judge it once Luca get the pieces he needs, rim runners, spot-up shooters. Right now, we got some spot-up shooters. We don't have rim runners, right? We got somebody who don't want to be a rim-runner right now. So we have to give him the pieces he needs,
Starting point is 00:51:51 and we get that full, you know. But where are you going to find that at? Where are you getting those pieces? Yeah, that's what I'm trying. Back in Dallas? Okay. Do we know right now there's never been a superstar that put on a Los Angeles Lakers jersey that's never actually won a championship?
Starting point is 00:52:12 There's one, but he don't get credit for winning, but he was on a team. And was it 19702, right? Is that Elgin Baylor? Right, that's the Elgin, right? I'm saying. That was all right. But every superstar actually that put that Laker uniform on, they built a team. to win a championship. All Lakers superstars have championships.
Starting point is 00:52:39 So he's winning the championship, like it or not. Gee, now, I don't think you can win with that style, with his style to play. Like Jane, like a. No, listen, he's going to be there, but JJ, he's not going to win it with JJ Redick, though. So if they get Giannis next year and JJ's? Then Janus winning the championship. You know that championship? Carian Luca.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Yeah, then Janus won. That means like Janus going to win it. championship yeah. So you're going to be leading the team of scoring? Come on man. That's good. Good? He could. Yes, that's good. I mean, could. I mean, you would have to, hey, if you think about it, Luca would have to change his game if Yonis came. If Yonk is there is, no, because Yonis is a rim runner. If Yonkish is there, then I won the
Starting point is 00:53:24 championship. Well, he'd like to bring him the ball up too. Yeah, he a ball stopper though. Yon Yon is a ball stopper. You said, Yon is a ball stopper. You said, Yonkis coming. You said, Yeah, if Yokis come in, it's Jokish's his team, though. Yes. Hey, that's, that's neither here. No, no, that's not going to work. It's not going to work if Joker comes. Joker come.
Starting point is 00:53:42 That's not working. Why not? I'm sorry. That's not working. Because the Joker, you can't, you're taking everything away from Joker. There's only one bulk out there. Niggins will be trying to do the same passes to each other. Okay.
Starting point is 00:53:57 Damn, doing the same fucking step bash. It's not working too. It's fat, slow nick, come on, man. Come on, man. All that damn old niggas, the old good nigga in the gym that make all the right plays and past. That shit is not working there. They both play together.
Starting point is 00:54:15 You know, Euro basketball, they all, actually, they all do the same thing. It's five players doing the same thing. Me, hi. If this was Jaya, American doing it, it would have been everywhere. You're not protecting these. No, we're just saying, no, I don't know what you're talking about now. We're just saying, there's two-year-olds on the same team.
Starting point is 00:54:33 They just do the same thing. Pass shoot. That's why they get their ass whoop all the time. God damn. Okay. But yes, if yoke is going over there, yes, they are. Okay, that's all. No, they're not.
Starting point is 00:54:47 Okay. So far, Nick. They're not. I'm sorry. I'm not. Let's just try this. Let's just do just stats, right? If the Lakers Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:55:00 if there's been 20 of them is 19.5 out of 20 the one that didn't get it he don't get credit for it but he was on the team so that means everyone that they said is a superstar has won a championship i'm just going with the i'm just going with the facts that are there that's all right so if i had to put my my life on it i'm going to put my life that Luca will have a championship before he's retired. Just that's just, you know, dives are in my favor is all I'm saying. I didn't know if that. I thought we just talked about everybody else getting better, not too long ago with Ant Man. But you know the Lakers is the team that can get it, man.
Starting point is 00:55:52 Are you forgetting who they are in the league? You know, if they want you, they get you, you know. So Ant Main could be there, Luca, you know, you know. He said anything now, bro. Swaggy, Renner's doing, as you know. I mean, did you think Kobe was going to get the White Howard and Steve Nash over there? If Steve Nash backed him go out, I mean, like, did you think that was going to happen?
Starting point is 00:56:20 Like, you know, come on. Steve was 38, though. Did you think LeBron was going to be? They had room chasing at that moment. I mean, Anthony, I mean, Anthony Dayless was going to be traded at when LeBron got there? No. Did you think Luka was going to be there? No.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Did not. Come on. So when LeBron leaves, there's going to be a surprise trade. Oh, my God, I didn't think this is going to happen. When Lebron leaves, when do you feel like that will be, though? Is it this season? Is it this season? It's some.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Like, leave the NBA? No. Retired? Do you think he's coming back to the Lakers? If he does come back for his 24th season? I don't know. I mean, you know, at that point, there's just, there's a, wherever he goes, he's going to enhance the team.
Starting point is 00:57:13 Structurally, if they're already set, right? If Cleveland is the way Cleveland is, and he goes there and takes a low pay, right? That's goddamn. If he goes to the New York Knicks, we got to remember, he's a free agent. So whatever the team is, he can just sign there for, whatever money he wants to stay under the cap, right? And that's the problem with LeBron James being a free agent. Because he can sign for whatever he wants.
Starting point is 00:57:40 So if he really wants the championship that bad, he can go wherever he wants to go. Get that championship because he can sign veteran minimum. And that's what we go to. See, people put him at the 50, but he can do whatever he can do whatever he wants. He can damn near guarantee himself two championships. championships of next year. He can go after this year, he can say, all right, okay, see what y'all
Starting point is 00:58:04 got over there? You all championship ready? Here, I'm going to go play for the vet man. Boom. And man, what you got? He can do that. He can chase those two if he wanted. He could do that, but we know LeBron, very frugal, love Brett, putting up the number he's putting up because if you do that and it backfires. He can get his value. He's going to get his value. If you take the vet minimum and that shit backfires, you're going to get packed up even more. As well, like y'all always said, y'all would take the 50 mil over the ring. You know what the funny thing is the people who are going to pack them out is the people who did the same shit. But at his age, you're supposed to be taking those contracts.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Huh? At his age, realistically, he's supposed to be getting bet minimums, though. Average of 22? In real life, at 40? Most 40-year-olds. Yeah, the age, yeah. Yeah, at his age. Average of 22, 7 and 6?
Starting point is 00:58:57 I'm just saying, I'm just saying age-wise. I never besides what George got George got a big contract to come back to the Wizards? You got his gambling best pet? No. The question is
Starting point is 00:59:11 can he really deliver on a vet minimum with no expectation? I don't know if he can take the team over the top. Does he move? If he goes to OKC minimum, does he need to take the team
Starting point is 00:59:29 over the top? or did he just be there? But if he's there, if he's there and they don't win, then what would you, what did you go there for it? To try to win. That's what I'm saying. So for,
Starting point is 00:59:41 for me, it's like, all right, you're going to take vet men and you're now going to ring chase. So if you're not, the guy that's going to turn the lever up for us to make us the actual leaders, then what are you doing? That's my thing. It's always like,
Starting point is 00:59:59 If you go to Cleveland, is that going to change Cleveland's dynamic to be a real contender to win it all? You don't think so? I don't think LeBron fits because he can still play at this level. I don't think he fits with no team without them having to dismantle everything they're doing for what he got. No, man. It's similar to, like, KD. Like, KD go down there and they had to change a little bit in order for KD to really step into what he did. He's averaging 30 for her since All-Star
Starting point is 01:00:29 break he's going back to the kd level so when you got a nigga like kd they can do that you got to change shit and that's not always the best for your team when you do so i don't think lebron can go to any new team and change the coach what if you need stuff though what if you don't need to change you just need something though yeah can he deliver that's the point can he deliver that he's been doing that all his career. The last five years he has not delivered. He average, what he averaged the last five years? No championships. Okay. That ain't his fault.
Starting point is 01:01:09 That ain't his fault. He's still delivering. All right. Everybody don't win. So everybody don't win. How much are we paying you? $50 million for it not to be your fault? Shit, Jaydon Daniels get paid that. $50 million for not to be a hundred and $130. Shit, y'all don't say that. 50 minutes but if you get that minimum we don't got the expectation for it being your fault because now we can move this money around and get other pieces and make it stretch it out
Starting point is 01:01:35 if he loses it's still his fault with less brain no no no no but that's fine okay i take the met minimum y'all go get pieces i still do ain't nothing going to hurt but it's what you do but that's what i'm saying what you do is that going to win us championships doing what i do is that going to win our championships you have the way to see it I mean, I'm sure if you go to. Rousseau used to him getting trading. Remember, trading meaning you're losing pieces. He's a free agent, meaning he can sign for whatever he wants. So if every team stays the same way, if he goes to O KC, you don't think they're going to win a championship that year?
Starting point is 01:02:19 I'm not going to put him in the front just because he's there because he's going to shake up their team. But they're already in the front. Yeah. So they don't need them. I didn't say that. I said he can go if he's chasing a ring. He can go there. They're already a championship team.
Starting point is 01:02:31 He can just add himself instead of Harkinstein being down there, it's him. And I would not put him in the front as contender because that's liability now because he don't play defense like Harkestine. He don't offensive rebound like Harkinstein. He don't get extra possessions. He don't run the floor like Harkinstein. That's why I say he has to be putting a perfect situation. He has to be put in a perfect situation where it makes sense. for him and the team.
Starting point is 01:02:58 It doesn't have to be all the time. What does LeBron to be the six men? That means LeBron's going to be at the five. And that's the vibe. What if they wanted to be him six men sometimes? And you put him on San Antonio for next year. Keep the same team at him.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Championship. I mean, that's what said. You're not losing anything because he gets the sign where he wants. That's what I said. It's scary because if he wakes up and says, you know what, I don't want my value. I want to ring. Now he just waits the whole summer, wait to everybody set,
Starting point is 01:03:31 and then just pick the top. The team he thinks is 99% going to win. That's all he has to do. But that's what I'm saying. If he's picking the team that he thinks can win, is that the team that he fits best with? Or is that just the team he thinks he's the best team? That's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:03:47 I'm thinking it's fit for him. It's not who the best team out there is. Who do I think I can fit in with that? Actually, to take him over the top. What if he went to the Denver? You don't think he fit there? Yeah. He would be playing Aaron Gordon.
Starting point is 01:04:01 He would be playing Aaron Gors, bro. He can bring him in anywhere, bro. He's not, he's the tight thing. He's playing Aaron Gores, bro. That's Aaron Gorman. So is he a better Aaron Gorman? Younger. So is he a better Aaron Gord?
Starting point is 01:04:16 No. No, but you can. He don't do with Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon rebounds. Right now, Eric Gorman just play all around plays harder. He plays with a dead. different kind of. But they both could play. Together.
Starting point is 01:04:31 Together? You're going to put Brian at the three? That he brings. You're going to bring him and put him on a three? Why not? You can't? He got to guard his three. You don't mean he? We said he got to be out there all day. No, but Eric Gordon can go out of three and he could guard the four.
Starting point is 01:04:50 Aaron Gordon is faster and younger. But also look who Brian playing with too, though. It's going to be so easy. Yeah. But you can put Bron on the Spurs and he's not a defensive liability with Wembe out there. I'm just saying.
Starting point is 01:05:02 But that's a whole different look, right? If you put Brown out there with Wemby at the four, he's not a defensive liability. He turns into like, I'm not going to say turns in. I don't want to say it like it's a bad thing, but I'm like, all right, for how the Spurs play,
Starting point is 01:05:16 like Boris Dio played with the Spurs, where Bronn is more of a facilitator in the pinch post and he's doing all that. But he's not going to do that for every team. It's a fit. It actually makes sense if it was the spurs rather than any other team because of who they got on their team, how he would compliment those other players
Starting point is 01:05:35 without having to take the game over. So what do you want to go with, Yonis? I don't need to fit at my age before. I just want the ring. That's what I'm saying. That's just like CP, though. It's like CP just going to get on somebody's bench and hoping that it worked out.
Starting point is 01:05:50 And it just, really, if you're going to play, if you're going to play and you need to fit in to help the team win, that's one thing. But if you just own the roster, you're just trying to get a chip, that's a whole different conversation. Yeah. I mean, but that's where he has a chance to do whatever he wants by being a free agent. Let's talk about another situation going on to the Lakers briefly before we move on.
Starting point is 01:06:14 So Austin Reeves, we're playing at an all NBA level. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. No, hold on. Hey, BJ, BJ. Yeah. Because this is a conversation we do need to have. And it's a one-sided conversation. It's someone like a Luca, right, that don't play defense, right?
Starting point is 01:06:35 Okay. But he plays hell of offense. And that player gets attacked. That's why I was talking about that. Right? Yeah. Why doesn't the defensive player who can't play no offense, no one says nothing? They attack Rudy Goberra all the time. No.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Defense attack him. Yeah, but the media does too. Everybody in time, Rudy. But Goberra gets played off the floor. Gober gets played off the floor. The media don't attack that the fans don't attack them, right? It seems like if you're a liability off defensively, you're a liability offensively because no one's guarding you.
Starting point is 01:07:25 It's the same thing. No, no. And I can tell you this, it's even worse. It's even worse on majority of the teams. If an offensive player who's that high level that don't play defense, 98% of the players he's playing with are liabilities offensive. Because when you're talking about Luca's offense, the defensive version that looks like that is Dennis Rodman,
Starting point is 01:07:52 Draymond, Draymond, Rudy, Ben Wallace. That's the player that needs to be on the defensive side that don't play offense. So if you just have a regular ass like a Vando, you shouldn't be on the floor. Because you're not impacting the, you're not impacting the game enough to not bring no offense. But you are, but you are. You see, the dynamic what you talk about is an offensive player who's MVP considerate is going to be based on his office. the skill set, whether it's assisting, whether it's scoring the ball, whether it's offensive rebounds, all of these other things offensively. We pay homage to the offensive players
Starting point is 01:08:34 where a defensive player, like a Mark is smart. He's not going to get criticized for not shooting the ball over 40% from the three, all of these other dynamics offensively because the defensive metric is not respected enough for us to consider it XYZ, just like Draymond. Draymond is another guy. He does get criticized all. offensively for not being able to be a guy we need to guard on the perimeter, but he actually does bring the grit. He plays hard, the attention to detail, all the small things that we do give credit for, but it's not enough when it adds up to the offense.
Starting point is 01:09:08 You can't give them no credit. If you ask you every team, teams will pick a PJ Tucker over like a Jamal Crawford to be on their stern lineup. Why? just because defense. No. No. It's because we got a guy
Starting point is 01:09:29 that can come off the bench with the second unit to give us 30 fucking points. PJ not going to be able to do that. PJ, it works in a dimension where we need you to guard one of the best players on the floor and the start of five on the other team.
Starting point is 01:09:43 Jamal, when the second unit comes out, we don't need to muddle this first unit up with a bunch of scores. You come off on the second unit, you got 30. It's different. even have to play believe in, Jamal. Just do your thing.
Starting point is 01:09:56 But you know that because you was in that position, too. If you started, Nick, if you started, Nick, if you started, though, are you, do you think you're going to be required to be the, it's about the respect, too, like, you get down. Like, they praise them more than offensive players. But are you going to be expected, are you going to be expected to be the defensive stopper if you were in the starting lineup? You praise, no. You know what we're saying.
Starting point is 01:10:22 though. I'm asking you, would you be expected to be the stopper? No, right? But if you got PJ on the same team, you won't. Man, we would much rather have PJ start so he can give us defense. And Nick, you come in like Genoble did. In the first three minutes of the game, we sub up you early because we know what you're going to do. But that's the problem. Because those type of guys that's defensive players that don't play offense, they're worshipped versus somebody.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Man, that's what we're saying. Because of the thing that they think. Because you're doing the dirty work. You're doing the thing that's not being worked. You're doing the thing that's not getting real credit. It's not, it's just like Bruce Bowens, DeSelis, all the God, Rajabels. Like, then you complain about we don't have people that make shots.
Starting point is 01:11:13 But I'm doing the thing that I actually have to work on in the summer. We're doing it. But the defensive guys have to sacrifice. They have to sacrifice. You can't score, so they're not sacrificing. No, you can score. You just defer. You deferred.
Starting point is 01:11:29 You're deferring because you're not on the floor to score. No, no, you can't score. You can score. You're shooting shots. All right, so look, instead of shooting, I drive it, right? Instead of me shooting this open, wide open three, went on a swing swing, swing. When you get the swing, swing to the corner,
Starting point is 01:11:46 they used to tell the non-shooters, you got to shoot this shot, right? So instead of shooting this shot, we driving that bitch to the bucket and trying to create something. It's like, we don't want that, we don't need that. We need you to hit this shot. But you're not in the game to hit the shot. Just like when you know he opened, you're open for a reason.
Starting point is 01:12:04 We leave him you open because we know you don't want to take this shot. Not that you can't. So now listen to what you're saying. Yeah. They're going to attack the offensive player, right? Because he can't play defense. when that same defensive guys on offense
Starting point is 01:12:23 goes down court so it's four on five right which one is harder maybe it balances out don't it if we're going down here and we're attacking Luca on offense we're attacking him right
Starting point is 01:12:40 he gets a foul he comes back down or we come back down they leave the guy that we that Luca can't guard the defender the nigger that's guard him we leave him open. He don't get the shot. He air balling.
Starting point is 01:12:54 It's a balance. We got a foul on Luca. They got an air ball on the other end. You know why? Because most offensive players do the same thing. I'm just going to guard Vando. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:13:07 If I'm an offensive player, I'm a guard Vando. You can't take advantage of me because he's not part of your offense. So that's what is going to happen. So what I'm saying is, Put them in a pick of roll. They're going to double team or get a role. For you to justify going at a, going at your best offensive player. So we're not talking about two-way players.
Starting point is 01:13:30 We're not talking about the Kobe's and the Jordans, right? We're talking about players who just, they don't play defense or they can't. So, you know, if you say Trey Young can't play, you know, defense, you said, I mean, Curry can't play defense. The Lucas don't play defense. The James Hart is don't play defense, right? They play hell of a offense, right? the defensive player that you need on the floor that don't play offense is a Hall of Famer.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Remember, you're talking about a Hall of Famer who's going to be in a Hall of Fame who don't play defense. That means the guy that you've got to praise can be a PJ Tucker. It has to be a Dennis Rodman. It has to be a Ben Wallace. It has to be a Draymond Green. It has to be those because that's the exact opposite. opposite. You can't just take a mineral role defensive player who's going to hand gives you six he don't make no all defensive team that's not the that's
Starting point is 01:14:26 not the guy so you want to criticize so you want to criticize the guy that's not an all-NBA defender defending a guy who is a Hall of Fame offensive player if I'm gonna criticize if I'm gonna criticize Luca for his offense I mean his defense then Vando smart anybody who's on his team for defense I got to criticize you because you're not doing enough. You're not doing enough. He's all NBA. He's leading the team and score. Are you leading the team of steals?
Starting point is 01:14:58 Are you leading the team in fucking deflections or something? You got to make it up for you to be on this court or fuck that. I'd rather just get another offensive player. I'd just rather beat you off in. So when it is, so when it is a, when it is a Jaden McDaniels, he can hit he can hit shots he can play on both sides of the ball he's on he's kind of like a both side player he's like a both but he's not expected to give you he's not expected to give you all of the shots but that's what happens in the playoffs that's why they start double team and ant man no but that's
Starting point is 01:15:35 why you got to trust that's why you got to trust mcdaniels you got to trust macdainans but he does He passed the shit out of it when he got double you. I'm just talking about those dudes that's just there for defense. Like that, that's all you can do. Like, I can't rock with that. Unless your shit is just you pick it up full court. Like outside. Nah, no, no, because it's the same as a specialist.
Starting point is 01:15:58 It's the same as a three-point specialist. Like an AJ Green. Like, you got to say the same thing for AJ Green in comparison to you being a specialist. You only do this one thing that we need you to do. This is why you win the game. I need you to guard like Lou Dore. Hey, bro, I need you to guard this, nigga. I need you to make it tough on them.
Starting point is 01:16:17 But if you're missing shots on the other end, we still getting something from you in the game. Like Caruso's all NBA players. He still being aggressive. So I can take that. You're all, you are a top-tier defender. Like, that's what I'm saying. I'm talking about if this is a top-tier offensive player
Starting point is 01:16:35 and you're talking about his defense, that means a defensive player that don't score. You got to be top-tier two then. You got to be topping your crap. Don't you stand in the starting lineup, though? He's taking 10,000 shots every fucking summer, and you don't do nothing because what you do don't have nothing to do with working it every day.
Starting point is 01:16:52 You're not out there doing line drills, boxing motherfuckers out, doing this, running up the heels. No, that's not what you do. The offensive, Luca is two, three hours a day, staying after you. You've never seen a defensive player, stay after the game, working on fucking defensive slides.
Starting point is 01:17:08 Never. That's because defense. We need to see more. begin we need to see it. Kobe Bryant. Because you're talking about an offensive God. We're talking about defensive players only. But wait.
Starting point is 01:17:20 So do we not agree that defense when it comes down to the defense's side? No, no, because the original question was, why are we always talking about players who just play offense like a Luca? Because the great players did it on both sides of the floor. That's why we're talking about Luca. If you're going to be scoring 29, 30, and doing all these other things, If you can't give us a little effort on the other end, then hell yeah, we're talking about you.
Starting point is 01:17:43 Okay, now if Brian did it, Michael Jordan did it, LeBron James did it, Jalen Brown did it. If you want to be up there like those type of guys, I need to see it on both fans. If not, then take that scoring shit and go on somewhere. Well, Curry did it. Yeah. And Curry played both sides of the four.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Cory was out there guarding. Guess he was. No, he was not. Hold on. Hey, Steph wasn't, right now. Step wasn't just letting you go. He tried. He tried.
Starting point is 01:18:07 He did play. He doesn't let him go. Yes. He was trying. He was trying. Thank you. Nick, do not do that. He tried.
Starting point is 01:18:15 They give effort. Like, he gave effort. But that's what defense is, though. That's what defense is. It's effort and energy, bro. Like, that ain't nothing else to, you can't. Like, you said, like, offense. We not.
Starting point is 01:18:27 Again, like, you're, you're telling me you bring an effort and what goes again? Energy. Effort and energy, right? That gets a package. but my two, three hours a day working on my shot, right? It's good. Because I can tell you this, as a coach, Steph Curry puts up 30 every goddamn night shooting it from the moon.
Starting point is 01:18:49 And I say, hey, play some defense. And he looked me dead in my eyes. I said, all right, coach, look, I'm going to play some defense. Can you tell that defense to play it? Draymond Green will have the lead us and score. He don't got the same skill set as Steph Curry to do that. But, but, but listen. But wait, wait, wait.
Starting point is 01:19:07 Wait, wait, so look, but the difference is, Draymond Green's effort and energy on the defensive event, he can't shoot that bitch like Steph, but Steph can give effort and energy just the same as Draymond Green. That's the difference. My effort and energy is going to cost us offense. So when I cost us offense, can you tell him to pick it up on the offense? But that's why you train in the summer, though, right?
Starting point is 01:19:31 It's to pick up the pieces of your effort and energy to make you a two-way player. That's the difference. Everybody want to be a two-way player? No, I'm saying the effort and energy of you saying, all right, if I give this effort, if you're saying, hold on, Nick, if you say, if I give this effort and energy, then you got to tell this defensive player
Starting point is 01:19:49 to pick up the shots that's taken away from my offense, right? But if you're training for both sides of the ball, you're never going to say that. You already going to know that I got to give effort and energy just because they're going to target me, not because I need to be a good defender. I don't need to be a good defender. I just need to play.
Starting point is 01:20:07 hard on the defensive end. But the same thing happened, but I can go ask to play better on the office so I don't get doubled every goddamn but the same thing happened with nothing about the defense getting better offensively. There's always an office to play.
Starting point is 01:20:23 Hey, hey, if you want to help out here, you got to help out too. But what makes the defender, what makes a defender better on defense? More energy, more effort. Hey, hey. So if you're not giving me You deserve criticism because you're playing harder on offense than you are on D.
Starting point is 01:20:43 All right. Again. I got another situation. I told a teammate, I got the ball. They doubled me. I threw it to them. Throw it back. I called a timeout.
Starting point is 01:20:55 I said, you're an NBA player. They're doubling you to come to me. That's embarrassing. Sit in the gym, work on your damn shot. But in another situation, we're about the U.S. A player, your player says, you know what? I'm good. Let me go.
Starting point is 01:21:16 I'm good. Let him shoot. If you're saying let him shoot. Up level. Let him shoot in the NBA is sick. Let him shoot. Man, I mean, come on. What the fuck else do you do?
Starting point is 01:21:28 What else do you do? Like, you practice from 11 if you practice today. 11 to 12.30 at the most. It only takes with a shooting machine and the way we make money, I had one in high school. It only takes six and a half minutes to take a hundred shots on a shooting machine with two seconds. You telling me your ass don't got at least 14 minutes to take 200 shots. You don't have 14. Wait, hold on.
Starting point is 01:22:02 Hold on, girl. So what you, you prove my point, though. You prove it my point. What happens when that guy can hit that shot? When he-Oh, say, getting the ball no more? No, hold on, hold on, hold on. So what happens? No, no, no.
Starting point is 01:22:15 What happens when that defender can actually hit that shot now? When he hit, when he can't hit the shot? When he, now he develops his shot. You say, get your answer to him. And he, what does that make him now? It makes, that's a better team. What does it make him, though? A better player.
Starting point is 01:22:33 It makes him a player that can play offense and defense. Yep. But that same person. Wait, wait, hold on, Nick. Hold on. Hold on. So if now this player has gotten good enough to be like Bruce Boyne was for the Spurs, he was hitting that corner three and he was playing elite defense.
Starting point is 01:22:51 Now, the conversation now has to turn to the Luca. Luca, he's hitting his shot now. Are you going to play some defense now? Yeah, if that happened. Well, it wouldn't be that because they'll be winning. What you mean? But we're talking about the criticism that a player like Luca can face. and a player like PJ Tucker doesn't face
Starting point is 01:23:10 because he's he's expected to hit these shots because of expectation. So I'm saying, let's say vando. But what I'm saying is the effort from Luca has to now go up and be consistent because this dude hitting the shot on the defensive man. Like the defense and the niggas hit the shot now. So now, Luca, we need you to play defense now.
Starting point is 01:23:29 Yeah, when that, when that happens in any world, when that happens, coach, when he starts hitting shots, coach, I start playing defense. But look, he's not the leader. He's not the leader. Lucas the leader. He got to lead with that.
Starting point is 01:23:45 A, Lucas started playing defense. All of a sudden, magically, Van those shit start falling. You just changing. The defense started hitting shots. That means he has to do it. And then I said, okay, when that happens at any time during a season, how about a week, then I start playing defense. But I'm saying it shouldn't lead with it happening with the defense the nigger first.
Starting point is 01:24:06 It shouldn't have to be him hitting shots first. It should be... Look, go ahead and play some defense first. You don't get criticized. You get paid for that. See, why you're at it. But you don't want me to do more. You want me to do more.
Starting point is 01:24:21 I get paid to do what I do, but you want me to do more than what I do. I want you to do more of what you do. Just like I do more of what I do. See, I play defense. See, what you do is you just drink a red bull and you good. Me, me, I got to go to sleep early. Me, I got to wake up, take 200 J's. Yeah, I got to get stretched.
Starting point is 01:24:43 I got to read the motherfucking program. You get paid way more to me, though. You get paid way more. And you're the center of attention. You're the leader of the team. You're expected to do all of that. I just get paid to run around and chase these things. Yep.
Starting point is 01:24:57 And you're because your man got to come double me. So if you get your shit together over there offensively, we'll be a better team. Steve Kerr just pig. No, you guys have been. Eric White over Jason Taylor. Derek White got picked over Jason Taylor. But he played often, you know. He played off.
Starting point is 01:25:14 He played off. But to me, what's steel? What you mean? He got picked over Jason Tavening. Why? He got treated better than David. Why? We not, we're not doing nothing about Steve Kerr.
Starting point is 01:25:24 There's no, we, we already. We got cheated better. We already, so we don't even got. I get that. We just, we got treated better than Jason Tavon. Yeah. Come on, man. By the world.
Starting point is 01:25:35 by everybody. Clay Thompson got treated better than committed. Putzinsis, whatever his name is. We already know. We just look at that and say, you know what, we don't even have to, we stop asking questions. Okay.
Starting point is 01:25:49 We can't ask those questions. Hey, but Rashan, back to your point, just think about the USA team. You got to be able to play both sides of the floor. Right? You keep saying, I'm saying, if you don't, no, no, I know, I know. I know, I know.
Starting point is 01:26:00 No, but your original question. My original, it's treated better. Why do we always thrash guys who only play one side of the floor, which is offense? Because the best players in the game played both sides of the floor. And the best sides means play the other side. And the best defensive players in the history of it, played the defense. Bill Ruff, they played just defense. And it's both sides.
Starting point is 01:26:25 Matambo and all those guys. But you praise one side better than the other side. That's what you said. No, that's not what's happening. And it because because Gil's talking about an offensive player and a defensive player. Nobody in both sides. But you choose the defensive player over the offensive player. Because Gil's not talking about an all-N-BA player.
Starting point is 01:26:49 He's talking about just your regular nigger that's out there like a van, though, that's playing defense. And you will pick him over an office. You'll pick him with Gordon Clarkson. No, no. They put Averado over Jordan Clarkson right away. But why? put bucket is in. Why?
Starting point is 01:27:06 No. I'm a McBride. Why, though? No. What you're saying, what you're saying, Sean, is exactly the point. Right? Because the all-NBA player, the all-NBA player is being credited.
Starting point is 01:27:23 I mean, he's not, he's not, he's getting bashed for not giving effort. Right? But a regular-ass defensive player, just a regular, not even the caliber of him, don't get bashed for no output on the offense event. So what I'm saying. Now, if I have a Rudy, that's what I'm saying, Lucas level, Lucas level of offense, that defensive side is a Dennis Rodman.
Starting point is 01:27:53 So if Dennis Rodman didn't put a bucket in there, I'm cool with it. Because he's giving you other things, he's giving you the other things. The defensive level is two games down. Ben Wallet, shutting shit down, right? Like offensively what he's doing, he's changing the game. So if you're going to say, I don't like,
Starting point is 01:28:12 Luca needs to play better defense, and this is what he's bringing to the table, then you're credited these regular-ass defensive players? I'm like, hmm, that's not. But we're not, but you know, we're not credited them more than we're just saying that they sustain their roles. And their roles is to come in here and do XYZ. This is not an all-N-B-A defender we're talking about.
Starting point is 01:28:34 A all-N-B-A defender that we would be talking about would literally be giving you more things to dominate defensively than he does making shots offensively. But what Brandon's saying is when you're talking about a Luca, you've got to play both sides of the floor and not. And then if you don't, you don't expect criticism for giving up 25. Like against Denver, SGA had 34 or something, but he gave up 39 to Jamal Murray.
Starting point is 01:29:03 Okay. He's not out there playing no defense. So what, what, what, you said, 39 to 34? I can't remember exactly what it might have been 33 to 39. He gave up 39, though. Okay, so now think about the math. That's just between the two guarded each other, that's just a minus five. Right.
Starting point is 01:29:22 So, so, so Lou Dort, though. We now have the same 39 and then let the defensive player be out there. Lou Dork. So Lou Dort. You talk about Lou Dort. Let's just say Lou Dort was guard and Jamal Murray and not SGA. Now, how much did Lou Dort bring to the table?
Starting point is 01:29:41 He made it gave you six. He may have made two threes or two freethos or something. We're not going to criticize Lou Dort for only giving you six points because he's doing his job. Now, he's getting blister for third. And we like, hey, you're playing defense. You're playing hard. And that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:30:04 That's the fuck I'll talk about. All right. Hell not, because you did do your job. Right. But who gets, who gets paid more? These offensive players are just speak up or the name. So does that come of responsibility, though, Gil? Hell, you can shut him down.
Starting point is 01:30:18 He got average. That's a minus five between those two, right? So that means the rest of the team got to beat their line up, minus five. Now you have a defense. who's in there who can't play offense and he's guarding that same player and that same player scores 29 and you put in six that means there's 33 points that has to be made up on the rest of the team right one is a superstar one is just a regular ass defender right but we got we got three other guys that can make up for that that's the point and you have to you have to yes you have to beat
Starting point is 01:30:52 your player then still make up 33 points just from that position and that's a team done thing too. If you think about your team dynamic, if you got three other players that's going to give you 12, 12 and 13 or something like that, you got a chat hungry, you got a Jalen Williams. You got guys that can shoot, but you know that Lou Dort is not going
Starting point is 01:31:12 to be the guy that's giving you 10. He's not going to be the guy that's giving you 12. He's on the team for a specific reason. He's our specialist. We don't have the expectation of him to do that. Luca, your expectation is to give us a triple double. But if you gave us more
Starting point is 01:31:28 effort on the defensive end, it would take our team up a notch. And you putting the ball in the basketball, so I don't get double puts us up a notch, too. It works the same. I agree. I agree. But it's just, but you can't say, you can't say that that that guy deserves to be criticized at the same level as Luke. You know what?
Starting point is 01:31:49 Here's why. Here's why. If he's not, no, no, B, if he's not the top defender, if he's not the all-NBA guy, He doesn't deserve to be criticized just as much as Luca when Luca not playing no defense at all. You know why? Because you said that all it takes is energy and effort, right? Energy and effort for me to be a better defender.
Starting point is 01:32:16 What is it going to take for him to be a better shooter? Hundreds of surgery. He's going to need surgery. He needs surgery. What I'm saying is, what? What I can do is effort. He has to be in the gym working in the lab. And that's the problem because the defensive player,
Starting point is 01:32:36 you have the time to get in the lab because you're a pro. You don't go to fucking school. You don't take your kids to school and do the homework. That's what the white do. And that's what the girlfriend do. So all your ass have to do is help improve the team by any means necessary. So that means you choose not to be in that gym. If every year you come back
Starting point is 01:32:58 Same ass broke jump shot. I don't agree. You know like I know. A defendant should be doing watching film, doing defense to slides. But you know, y'all know. Y'all know as Hooper's though.
Starting point is 01:33:12 But wait. But wait. You know. You know as Hooper's though. We made Jeremy Lynn through the deepest slides. Again, you're talking about a guy who's working out three hours a day. You've never seen.
Starting point is 01:33:23 What defense to play? I bet you, I guarantee you, I guarantee you, we go, Rudy Goldberg. on workout what he gonna do he working on his what you can't work hours working on office he ain't gonna be bringing in the game but wait but we know we know just like anybody else that play who there are guys who spend enormous amounts of hours shooting jumpers in the gym and they shit is still fucking broke it don't matter how many years you spend in the fucking gym when you just
Starting point is 01:33:53 can't shoot your specialty ain't shoot and if it that was the case, guess how many motherfuckers in the league would actually be shooting better, the percentages would go up if all it took was for you to just get in the gym and shoot X amount of shots. That's all it takes. That's all it takes. That's all it takes if they just got their asses in the gym. That's all it takes. I think that people do.
Starting point is 01:34:14 You just can't shoot. You just can't shoot. Getting my shit together. No wife is at home doing nothing. I play in the league. I'm doing defensive lines. I don't know. I can't give you a teammate.
Starting point is 01:34:26 that was consistently in a gym all my years. Hey, Nick, can you shoot? Was you able to shoot when you was in college? No, I worked on my mid-range. Like, I didn't know it was when I got to college. I really worked on it daily. Could you shoot the ball, though? You were solid.
Starting point is 01:34:46 Did you shoot the ball when you was the high school player to year? You was known to have a little flamethrower or two, right? Yeah. Yeah, but I worked on it. Gil had a flame throw her too. He was a driver, and he'll pop your ass in the mouth of you backed off. Everybody can shoot. It's just about refining that talent.
Starting point is 01:35:04 Everybody don't got that talent. Motherfuckers just can't shoot. If you're getting enough shots up and you're dedicated to it, that shit. Did y'all play for defensive coaches coming up? Did you play for defense of coaches? That's all we heard. Yeah, that's all we heard. That's all you heard.
Starting point is 01:35:19 Defense win championships. Defense win championships. I've never seen the game one where the score. We're going to be. Man. I've seen the team out there doing his job. I played with Jason Richardson. I knew when we first got there and people's like,
Starting point is 01:35:36 let him shoot. He can't shoot. And he's sitting there like, like, they disrespecting me. I watched him every single day. Get on that shooting machine and shoot a thousand shots. I mean, nine, nine, and they flip over. Every single day, we spent the whole.
Starting point is 01:35:55 summer working on our jump shots for him to become a three-point specialist. That's how I know. I've watched it. I've been in the league. Niggas don't go in a gym like that. So that's, and that becomes the problem with a, Luca and some of these players that's offensively gifted.
Starting point is 01:36:16 It's like, wait, hold the fuck on. As I spend in this bitch, and I've never seen none of y'all in this gym. The only time I see you in the gym is, I don't see y'all after here. I don't see you two, three in the morning. I don't see y'all never.
Starting point is 01:36:32 So for you to criticize my defense and you don't work on shit and you just got to drink a red bull and do some of that and just run up and down and hustle and, no, that's not fair. No, it is. You get paid more money. Thank you. You get paid more money. You went all the commercials in the magazine.
Starting point is 01:36:52 You still and everybody worked. You got to be able to pass the piece. a little bit, man, you got to, hey, you got to take a red bull in the morning. And that's exactly what millions is millions. What's all the boys like? Millions is millions. That's why Ant-Man said what he said. I know.
Starting point is 01:37:10 Because I get paid the big bucks to do the big things. And I'm not passing the ball to motherfuckers who don't. But, A-Man, Ant-Man played both sides of the ball. He played both sides of the ball. So he understands both sides. I didn't say nothing about both sides. I said only all physical players, only defensive players. I didn't say none about two-way players.
Starting point is 01:37:34 No, I'm saying. When you referencing him saying that to the team and to the coaches is saying that because I actually played basketball on the other side. But Luca, it wasn't about that. It was not. What you mean? He said, it was nothing about the players. Because it's not going to be a question.
Starting point is 01:37:53 That's why it's why it isn't said the way it said. It wasn't a question. It's a question. It's the question with Luca. Are you ever going to play hard and give energy on the defensive end where we don't even have to question it? No, but it's not a question. I already said no.
Starting point is 01:38:08 You want me to pass the ball to someone I know that's not in the gym? No. No. Well, he didn't say if the baseball's on somebody, it wasn't a specific player he wasn't passing to. He just, the coach is saying, make the extra pass, bro. You got two niggas on you. I know I got two niggas on me.
Starting point is 01:38:24 There's a reason. But Devinchenzo, would you say They don't do Jams, sir. Would you say Devenzo don't be in the gym shooting that bitch? Was he open? Because if he was up, man, if he was up texting.
Starting point is 01:38:38 I'm saying, if that's one guy, if that's one guy. We know Divencenzo's man didn't leave him. All right, so for Luca, if you get double team, who you really complaining about on the floor? You complain about about J? You complain about Austin?
Starting point is 01:38:54 Are you complaining about LeBron? Who you complain? If somebody got to hit the shot. But when we go down on the other end, we expected you to play defense. Hey, man. Let me just be here. When I signed my contract, man,
Starting point is 01:39:11 my contract said it. You know what? I think my coach did an interview. If you want to look it up, he said, man, you know what? The general manager told Gil save his energy for offense. He don't need to play defense. You know what?
Starting point is 01:39:24 he was right because there's guys that get paid on this team to do that. I don't want to take away from you about being a two-way player. Don't step on nobody's tough. I don't want to take away. So why the expectation for the defense? So why the expectation for the defensive player when you get the one side of treatment? Why can't I? Because you're not on my level.
Starting point is 01:39:49 That's the point. That's the point. We're not on your level. So why am I getting criticized? the same as you because you're still in the game. Get your ass by the game. Give me an all-N-A defensive player. All right.
Starting point is 01:40:03 You got to have a shot. All right. There's only 12. How many? There's only 15 of those, so it ain't that many hit all-N-B-A niggas. And what I do is, right. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:40:13 You're a few of old. And there's only five of us or four others because I'm first team. All-N-hmm. Well, let's keep this thing moving. Speaking of first team, all-N-B-A-level player, Jason Tatum continues working towards a potential return this season, being a full going five-on-five scrimmages with some of his Celtics teammates. So Tatum recently released a documentary called The Quiet Work following his road to recovery
Starting point is 01:40:36 in Chapter 3 of the series released Monday. Tatum shows a meeting between him and Dr. Martin O'Malley of the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York City that occurred six weeks after his surgery in mid-May of 2025, so somewhere around I believe June, July, which includes this conversation between the Two. Your is good as anyone has ever been. So six weeks, I'm talented here to go back and be Jason and we're one before. The young guy, the Catholic Spring.
Starting point is 01:41:07 Come ahead and be a role player, Doc. Appreciate it. We'll get back, Doc. As you saw on the clip, we'll get back. As you saw on the clip, Tateham said, I didn't come here to be no role player, Doc. There's been a lot of talk. Bill Simmons recently said, reported, which was not confirmed that Tatum might come back mid-March,
Starting point is 01:41:28 have a good stretch of games to get ready if he does decide to return before the playoffs start. If Tatum does return to the somethings this season, what role should he have with the team? What should he have and what are you going to have? We already heard what he won't and what he going to get. But this was Gil last summer. Man's perspective may have changed,
Starting point is 01:41:52 but he didn't come to that doctor to be no roleplay. He wanted to make sure he got the surgery right got back to where he needed to be amongst the NBA's elite. So what is Boston trying to do? Compete for a championship if I had to get. You're trying to contend for a chip? Or did you just try to make the playoffs? Like what is, are they just trying to play in the first round?
Starting point is 01:42:11 What is, what do, what are the Boston Celtics trying to do? Well, you ought to imagine as the second seed in the east right now. Because if they're trying to win a championship, then you need at least a 75 to 80% of Jason Tatum. If he's a sixth man and he's a below average player just trying to get in there, then it's pointless. You might as well sit out because you're not really helping the team win a championship. Because you're not going to win a championship with him being, you know,
Starting point is 01:42:40 a fourth, fifth option type of guy. So, you know, if he's going to come back and they're going to contend, then I would expect him to be two or three option. So a role player. No, that's not a role player. See, why do you do that? Yeah. So was, was Jim Brown a role player?
Starting point is 01:43:06 It was just option two, right? Yeah, before he got the finals MVP. Okay, but so he was an option two. He wasn't a role player. Now, now, now, now. So what's option three? I mean, if you're not the number one option, then you were a role for it. No, no.
Starting point is 01:43:23 What's option three? If you're not the number one option, you are part of the role. So now, so now, so what's Kobe? Do we have to do this Kobe and sec thing again? What's option three? We don't even got to do one, two. Fuck one and two. What's option three?
Starting point is 01:43:37 Is that not road? No. No. So Brazegas, what's a role player on that team? You know, option threes make the all-star game. Right. All right. And three's are in the Hall of Fame.
Starting point is 01:43:53 A role player is a role player. Yeah. So what he was referring to was being an afterthought after an injury that could have derailed you from prime to role. He didn't come here to be no role player, so he need to be back in peak position so he can go back to one or two. Three or four, three or four, meaning that, hey, man, we need you to watch out for one or two. We don't want to be Al Horford.
Starting point is 01:44:18 It's basically what he said. I don't want to be sitting in the corner, just sitting there, and y'all pass midballing. So he don't want to be a corner, nigger. So he don't want to be a corner. Yes, basically. Not even elite. Don't come to the corner, Jason. Elite corner, a corner with freedom swagger.
Starting point is 01:44:34 He don't want to be nowhere near the corner right now. Why not? Y'all was saying that if he come back, he might as well sit it out the whole year because you're going to be regulated to the corner, niggins. Nah. I said he should come back. He should move.
Starting point is 01:44:55 Yeah, I said. I don't think he come back and be number three right away. He should play his way into three and two. But obviously, he should right away he's going to be number two. Even with that, who's better than him on that team right now? If he's playing his way into three or two, that would mean that he would be playing a role, right? It don't matter, no.
Starting point is 01:45:21 Jason Taylor in the playoffs. Come on, all right. I can tell you this one thing for sure. The offense is for two people. Everybody else, y'all going to take open shots when these two people pass through the ball. So when he comes back, it's going to be Januarybound in him and everybody else, after they make they move,
Starting point is 01:45:44 y'all get the ball and shoot the shot. The office didn't change. So the office is still him. I don't know. If I'm Derek White, he can watch out. Oh, if I'm Derek White, I get on the minute. You're not telling him to watch out. Shit, what he's doing this year, Derek White,
Starting point is 01:45:59 the can't, shit. I'm just, I'm just talking about from what Derek White was able to do all year. I'm not, what he's done all year. Tell me what he's done all you. We in a second, we're in a second, if you don't go up, when the star player goes down.
Starting point is 01:46:13 He hasn't went up. He hasn't went up yet. He hasn't been up yet. I'll pay the picture. I'm like, man, this Derek White shit. What's up? Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, it's the fun.
Starting point is 01:46:25 He's went up in. Every category, enough. But you got to remember, Jalen Brown has done that and everybody else. So, you know, we say if White is the, if he's the glue guy, right? His production is not going to skyrocket. He's number two is going to be number one. Pritcher, you're going to average more. Everybody's going to average more.
Starting point is 01:46:51 I'm going to do a little bit of everything. More assists, more steals, more rebound. That's what I'm talking about like that. Why he can't do more? Why doesn't Derek White have to do more, though? Because he does everything. See, at first, I thought Derek White, when I first seen Derek White,
Starting point is 01:47:10 and you had him and Marcus Smart, I thought Derek Wright was exactly Markets Mark. Right? I just thought, okay, you're going to bring in eight, six, seven points. When he left, his offense was like, man, you consistently putting up 14, 15. And now he had 17 a game. I'm like, oh, you're more.
Starting point is 01:47:27 You're technically a two-way player. You're on that two-way spectrum because you are, you do affect the game offensively. Oh, so that's, I think that what you just said is Derek White came in as a market smart, you need you to get in the gym and shoot your shot and get that shit better. He went in the gym and he got that three-point shot better. And now he's, now he's hitting that bitch on a consistent clip. Now we got to consider him a two-way player based on the need of the,
Starting point is 01:47:55 other guy Jason Tato who we were saying wasn't playing though defense always we were saying he wasn't playing defense he was a better score than Marcus Markets he's always forever he's at 15 13 14 yeah he's gonna he could shoot the ball but when he came in expectation was from the from the fucking spurs play defense my guy but we've seen you can hit the shot now we like okay it's okay for you to hit the open shot shoot that bitch now you're number two And we expected more, but, hey, you don't got more because you do a specific thing for us. We see you can, again, we see you hit the shot.
Starting point is 01:48:37 So you don't have to work. We see you play offense. Now, you're good at, like, why? But he put the work in, though. He put the work in to be able to hit those shots to consider us to even talk about him on this. Let's be realistic. D. White.
Starting point is 01:48:52 Y'all thought Derek White was going to average like 20-something this year. I thought he was going to average like 20-something this year. Who? Who? You thought that? Nobody said that. Nobody said that six swaggy. Pared a pitcher and Derek Wright had 40 without them.
Starting point is 01:49:08 You thought that's, come on, man. I'm rolling with swaggy on that one. I mean, everybody thought Derek White was going to be much better. You know, I was the only one. A USA player talking about him being an all-star player. Come on, man. I was the only one saying no, bro. I was the only one saying Derek White.
Starting point is 01:49:25 the fuck out of here y'all talking about giving him all this money i was like nah man there's like like that yeah talking about he is like that no he's not he but what i'm saying is he he what he's a brick he's like equal dollar he is the equal dollar yes you're not he's not if you take them off the the court he's going to average 18 eight seven four like that that's that's that's his stat line he's he's gonna make somebody else take the number one spot. Somebody else take the number three. He's going to be the bridge guy. That's that's his gift. Derek White's averaging a career high this season. But as I'm saying, that's his gift. He's not going to go from averaging 16 to 20.
Starting point is 01:50:08 No, no, you're the number two. You're going to go to number one. I'm going to make you the best. You're going to be the best Superman. Pritcher, you got to step it up. We need you to score more. You need the score that they don't consider to play defense. Now you got to step it up. Who? Pritcher. Pritcher. I don't know what you do defensively. Offensively, do what you do.
Starting point is 01:50:28 You pay people to try to stop you, get the work. And he... But when Jason Taylor's come back, it's fuck Pritcher now and just focus on his defensive shit. First of all, it was never fuck Pritcher. It was never that. All right, man. You know what I mean.
Starting point is 01:50:44 Come on, man. What is I'm about? Critcher was always in that dude off the bench. So somebody got to give her some shots? You know what? Who cares? Give it up. Give it up, right?
Starting point is 01:50:59 I don't know who it's going to be, but they're going to probably be like 10 years from now, it sounded like swaggy. He told me to sit in the corner of me. Oh, damn, man, my mother will come back and I was doing all this. I got to be in the corner and this is great. Welcome to the corner here. Everybody called me. I used to be the start now I'm the corner. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:51:20 Yeah. Yeah. I gotta do all kind of shit. This thing got to average one more point without Jason Taylor. He went from 16 to 17. He can make USA's all that. Career high.
Starting point is 01:51:35 Everything. All-star treatment, all that shit. But Pritcher's already been coming off the bench. Diving on the floor. So if Tatum does come back. All I got to do a dive on some flows. I just stay in the game. Okay.
Starting point is 01:51:48 If Tatum does decide to come back, they said March 14, 15, mid-March. be the target date, that'd be 10 months since suffering the injury. Celtics would have about 15 to 16 games. He would probably play, what, 10 of those maybe? Is that enough time for him to be ready to go out there and do it? I don't know, man.
Starting point is 01:52:05 That's what. He's the expert. I mean, it took, I mean, it took me a minute. I mean, I'm just saying, you coming back at a time where, you know, it's playoffs, a push and guys are the high intensity. So, I mean, if I'm him, I would go play a little couple D-League games. I mean, my first game would definitely not be. in the NBA.
Starting point is 01:52:28 But I mean, I don't know, man. I mean, they're fighting. They're in the mix. And Jason Tatum, adding Jason Tatum doesn't hurt. Mr. B., what if your first game is against the Washington Wizards? Would that change your perception of coming back? No. What?
Starting point is 01:52:46 No. If my first game is against the Washington Wizards? Would you feel like that's comparable to a D-League game? No, I'm going to say no. Okay. Because it's still an NBA team. It is the NBA team. I'm gonna say yeah for sure.
Starting point is 01:53:02 I'm gonna say yeah for sure. I'm just saying they have some trash games in that mix in that last 15. So you can throw a couple good ones in there, but you're talking about. But they're saying Trace supposed to come back too. Are you talking about like because the team record, the team record, like I'm coming back
Starting point is 01:53:23 because the team record is bad. Yeah, I think that's what they're. Yeah, I think because this team record is bad and I want to come back here. Yeah, so it's a low-stress game. I'm just saying it's not like you come back playing the Thunder, the Spurs, you're playing the Knicks, the Pistons.
Starting point is 01:53:37 I'm just... It's a low stress? Low expectation. Low expectation. No, no, no, no. See, you're talking about a record versus the nigger he got a guard. There's two different things. We can play zone, though.
Starting point is 01:53:53 You can't play zone. I don't care what the record is. Who do I got a guard on that side and who got a guard me on that side? That's where the stress is. Who he got a guard? He ain't guard nobody he ain't seen before. Yeah, when I, when I.
Starting point is 01:54:13 He ain't seen in a minute. When I played in a minute. So who is the small Ford or power for that I got a guard? Right. Like we know with a, let's say, Bucks record, right? Oh, we can come back against the Bucks, but I got to guard, Yonis, because Yonis is back. Does that sound low stressful because of the record?
Starting point is 01:54:32 Well, that's, that's being thrown. on in the fire. Yes. That's bad coaching. You wouldn't do that. So you would, you would pick the Wizards and say you're going to pick, you're going to guard him. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:42 Pick a D League team. No, I will pick a D League. That is a D League. I'm just saying that's, they still in the NBA? Well, this is a D.
Starting point is 01:54:49 Man. Bro, it's an NBA. I would go down to the D League and play a couple of them. Oh my God. So what does that do? What does that do in terms of the competition? I'm a, yeah, you go down to the G. You go down and they still.
Starting point is 01:55:02 They still moving. Okay. Good. want to go down there. They still moving fast. They still young guys down there. And I can get my rhythm. Of course. Yeah, I need to see the ball go in. I can do the same thing against the Washington. Right. Okay. All right.
Starting point is 01:55:14 No, you can. For sure. First game. So first game from a torn Achilles, you're not going to do nothing else, but just go out there and play against the Washington. I'm planning to get Washington. If you look at the schedule, Mr. B, that would be a team that you may identify as like, I'm cool coming back in the game. I'm cool coming back here to test it out. I'm cool to test it out against them.
Starting point is 01:55:35 On that type of speed, all right. Yeah, because if you're going to adjust, if you're going to adjust to any speed, why not adjust against one of the worst teams in the league? They might play fast. They might play this, but we know scouting report-wise, Jason Tatum is looking like ain't none of these boys going to give me no trouble.
Starting point is 01:55:52 Right. And that's a problem. Okay. Because there's always a player on another team. There's a player on there who's probably averaging about 15 in that position, and he's going to be going at his head. But we're going to switch. Hey, JJB, go get him.
Starting point is 01:56:06 J.B. Get him. He's going to be jumping. Like, he's, the Washington Wiz is probably one of the teams I don't want to play against. You know why? Man. Not. Not.
Starting point is 01:56:16 Bob. David, get him. Derek White. Get him. Somebody else get him. Y'all, they don't got five guys that's good. They don't got five guys. You all are thinking about a team record versus what the players do.
Starting point is 01:56:31 You want him to come back off of a killing. tear. Against the Watson of Wizards. One up and down with a young team who at the end of the league is trying to get their numbers. So that means the person he's going to be guarding. Think about who. What's the difference between the Gilead and the Wizards?
Starting point is 01:56:48 What's the difference? Who is the worst player? But what's the difference? Of NBA off NBA schedule to play against. Do you know the last week there was one player who was guaranteed to give you 50. points walking out the NBA.
Starting point is 01:57:05 Jamal Crawford was the one player you did not want to play that last week because obviously he's going to be in go-bow. So you don't want to come back on somebody who's going. Why not? If I'm testing out my shit, I want to test my shit out against
Starting point is 01:57:22 the nigger that I know, even if he's going hard or not. It's better than jumping out with Janus, who's going to come at me full force. It's better than jumping out against Joker or or any of these guys with high power shit, if this is the lowest tier I can get and it's still going to be a high velocity,
Starting point is 01:57:41 it's still going to be high energy, I'm going to test it out here. Why not? I'm going to, what am I going against the guy who wrote, would they run? What's the difference between the Wizards and the GP team? Huh?
Starting point is 01:57:57 What's the difference between the Wizards? I'm going to have to run eventually. A big difference. No, if I'm going out, Jason Taylor. I see Jason Tazim. I'm going to hit him. You ain't capable. You ain't capable enough.
Starting point is 01:58:10 You ain't good enough. You're not good enough. You're there. You're not good enough. The NBA player averaging 15 that I got a guard that likes to run jumping duck. He's good enough. Yeah, Buck is. He's going to play 15 to 20 minutes.
Starting point is 01:58:25 I'm just saying, no, you got to come out there and play a full game. Yeah. So, that's what I'm saying. So him, I'm telling you off my Achilles, I've trained, I did all this, I played five one. Dude, I needed the G League. If I would have stayed, I should have stayed in the G league a couple more games. I'm telling you, that fast pace is a difference.
Starting point is 01:58:42 How many, how many straight games did you play, though, Mr. B? Because we had talked about this, please, but how many straight games? You played one game. He said he only played one game. I played one game. I should have played more. If I would have played more. No, I'm saying, how many, how many NBA games did you play before you started to feel the effects of that injury?
Starting point is 01:58:56 When did it started to bother you again? Oh, I mean, shit, at least, I mean, shit, at least a, at least a lot of like a week after that because I will still remember I'm still training I'm still trying to get everything so guess what guess what though B you go to the G league and you got to now adjust to a pace that's slower that pace down there is slower that pace down there and the tend to be they're not doing the shit that the NBA guys so why not start with the with the worst team in the NBA the pace isn't slower you absolutely is slower there's guys in the G league that go up to the NBA. So they're back and four. I have,
Starting point is 01:59:33 I played that. You can't shit on the G-Leat. What G-Lake have you? I fucking played it. I played in the G-Lean. Remember me? I'm the worst thing on the five. You just say, you can't sit on the G-Lea and then trying to boost the G-Lie-L. What I'm saying, no, what I'm saying is
Starting point is 01:59:48 the G-Legro. You would definitely much rather play against a Wizards, a team in the NBA than going to adjust down from the G-Lean. You can practice with the niggers and get your shit together. You all did it. Here, I'm going to give you the bottom team. You all did it.
Starting point is 02:00:08 Right? And you're coming off. You're going on for 10 months. And this is your first matchups in the NBA. I got to guard Pascal. Uh-huh. That's my position. I got to guard Pascal there.
Starting point is 02:00:22 Then I got a guard Utah. I got a guard marketing. Huh? Bad team. Brooklyn. I got a guard Michael Porter Jr. running up and down. New Orleans.
Starting point is 02:00:31 So I got a fucking Zion. Williams going up and down like just because the team is bad don't mean the guy in my who's on the wizards do they got harcling or pascal tell me the person on the wizards though we're talking about the wizards we're not talking about you belalculabali and kishan george kishan george belalculabali who be who is that dika what's a kuna what's john george what does he do what what does he do he suits he suits threes is he athletic He shoes three. Is he athletic?
Starting point is 02:01:06 He might be. Most people in the NBA are. I just came off in Achilles tear and I want to come back against a guy who's going to run, jump, dunk, and all that. You're going to have to eventually. Eventually, you're going to have to play against diggers that run, jump, and dunk.
Starting point is 02:01:20 So why not get started right now against the worst team? So what team do you want to play against Gil? What team do you want to play against him? Why do I want to do that the first date? So who you want to play against you? Yeah, who do you want to play? So do you want to come back against Phoenix on the 16th? Who do you want to play?
Starting point is 02:01:36 Who I got to go hard? I don't even think it matters. Gil, I think it's all about getting some games under your belt. Who do I got it? Again, if I'm going to get the games in, right, I want to move, I want to get into it. I don't want to be in a fucking fool. I don't want to run a hundred.
Starting point is 02:01:54 Why not? Why not? Because it's not smart to do it. You know what? You're all right. running a hunt if they was running a all right man who's on the wizard's running a honey all of them all of them all of do is class you're like y'all act like NBA players just be like man y'all go out here just jason tate him out here man don't go at him just you said the same thing about me what the
Starting point is 02:02:15 fuck happened remember he missed the next five games after we had the conversation on the knee hurts right like you you always it's always a theory versus reality why do i want to run my first race the 100 as fast as I can on an Achilles stair because in practice, we're not going that hard. What y'all saying is this, though, you're saying, all right, we're not going to come in at 100 guarding the best guy on the worst team. So you're going to bring me off the bench. You allow me to guard the worst guy on the worst team.
Starting point is 02:02:50 And I can move my way up in this game, test it out against the fucking trash-ass wizards. And I don't have to guard the guy, Kulibah, and he averaging 15, he's doing all this. I'm going to wait till y'all's second unit come in. Ain't nobody in your second unit is popping off on me like this, literally. And at that point, it's probably the second unit that's throwing because they tanking, right?
Starting point is 02:03:13 Shit. And y'all down 40 at this point, so shit, we've got to lose. All right. I'll be a G-League nigga in me. You feeling what he's saying? Nick Young? Yes, I'm coming back against the Wizards.
Starting point is 02:03:30 Okay, all right. All right, so let's just say Jason Tatum came back against the Lakers. And it was a nigga he had to guard by the name of Nick Young at the end of the season. Does he want to guard Nick Young who's going out there having 40? Who is that on the Wizards right now for them? Hey, I'm asking the question, brother, your team was sorry. You're stuck, right? There's always a nigga on the team.
Starting point is 02:03:59 Right? So do I want to come back? and God and guard a guy who comes off the bench taking 26 shots, 19 shots, 20 shots, 23 shots. That's who I want to go home? He's not going to be guarding him, though. He's not going to be guarding him. Your Sucks, yeah. But there's a guy out there actually trying to do something.
Starting point is 02:04:21 Why do I want to go? That's why I said it's not about the team record. It's about who am I playing against? You did this, though. You did this. God. I know I did this. Fuck, that's what it's a one.
Starting point is 02:04:35 We can play zone, man. We can play zone. We don't have to guard man to man when Jason Taylor's on the floor. You're talking about what we could do. Yeah. That's the story. I should not come back at all. Never play a game again.
Starting point is 02:04:49 Have they played for it? If he that worry, don't play no more in life. If you can't play against the Wizards, don't play no more life. Yeah, you're scared to play against the Wizards because the niggins. Don't play no more back. Bigger averaging 15 might go at you. But watch out. You don't need to come back.
Starting point is 02:05:05 You don't need to come back. If you scared of 15 points a game, bro, you don't need to come back. Yeah, be good. You scared of 15 points a game. Watch out, bro. You good. You will need you. You might as well rest up for sure.
Starting point is 02:05:19 I'm glad. I'm glad. And B took your advice. Bear. That wasn't it be, what, six surgery? That was in B six surgery? Both of you all. crazy. Huh? I said they sound crazy. Somebody, I'm just, I'm a guy right here with a
Starting point is 02:05:35 cheese and he told you when he came back, it didn't even feel good normal for a year later. They're not the same people, man. Modern medicine. Modern medicine. Hey, anybody with the other Achilles, did they come back yet? Katie? No. When did the Katie come back? Two years. You finish. Two years. So how about the other? kids who had Achilles. Did they come back yet? What?
Starting point is 02:06:04 Who are you talking about? Anybody? Honeybird. Talking about Honeybird. They ain't got nothing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're not Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum.
Starting point is 02:06:14 Jason Tatum is ahead of schedule. Halliburton was like a month later, though, Gil. I'm just saying they're not the same time. They're not the same time. If we can play a zone, we could play his own. If they ever played his own, but they've never played his own. So that's not even in the question because they've never done it. Dave was in the three point contest.
Starting point is 02:06:29 I'm just saying. Kevin Durant, Kevin Durant did it. Kevin Durant did it. When did he come back, Sean? He came back the next year. He got hurt and Golden State, and then he played, didn't he play in Brooklyn? Yeah. Lockout.
Starting point is 02:06:44 COVID and, you know, there were so much ago. He was all coming. He didn't have no setbacks. He didn't fucking shit up again. Two years. Again. He got hurt. When did he get hurt?
Starting point is 02:06:57 When did Katie get hurt in the finals? Yeah. And played the next year, A, and played the next year. No, he didn't. It's cold next year. So at extent, but it extended beyond obviously the season stopped and it came back, so it gave him more time to recover. Do you have a setback?
Starting point is 02:07:24 No one has a setback. They wait that damn long. If Jason Tainter waited until next year, there won't be no setback. Who had a setback? Who didn't wait that long? Who came back early and actually... And had a setback? Who came back early and had a setback?
Starting point is 02:07:42 Everybody who's ever came back early and had a setback? You, yeah. Who? John Wall, I heard his shit after. Camarcus Cousins with his thigh. With his style. He didn't re-entered his Achilles. No, you, you, you, you're in the John Tate Murray just came back.
Starting point is 02:08:06 How long, how long did he miss? Probably 11 months, 10 11 months. 10, 11, what do you have? He happened to about 20 something? Oh, now he out there, balling, huh? Oh, now he out there, okay. When did he hurt himself? January 31st, 20, 25th.
Starting point is 02:08:28 Hey, I'm going to be worried about a nigga after 12 over 13. So he average, he got hurt when? January 1st, 2025. So he's only played three games this year, so far? It's about, what, 12, 13 months later? He just came back. He just came back recently. And he didn't come back into G-League.
Starting point is 02:08:50 The power of life-skinned degree. When did he get hurt? January 13th, who? Tatum? No. Dejante, January 31st, 2025. January 1st. He comes back.
Starting point is 02:09:02 Oh, January 31st. 31st, January 31st. He came back February 24th. He didn't go to the G-League. February 24th. How long has Tadam been out? Mid-Mead. In 10 months, if he came back.
Starting point is 02:09:21 When it's 13 months for Jason Taylor, like everybody else? He's different. He's not them. He's a whole different person. He's from St. Louis, Gil. Yeah, yeah, I know. I know what he is. But, yeah, he can be as dumb as everybody else.
Starting point is 02:09:36 You can be as dumb as everybody else. 13 months? Jontay, 13 months? So Jason Tendam, I got how many more months? Three more? If he wants to be to Jonté Murray. See you next season. See you next season.
Starting point is 02:09:49 Three months is not going to do. All right, man. No, no, no, no. 13 months is cool. Then, remember, it's going to be like 19 months because we get the weight all the way into October before he plays. Yeah.
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Starting point is 02:10:58 We will see y'all tomorrow. Bro. My house got repossessed, you what I mean my house got repossessed? God damn you see all my trophy? Just because them niggas is not in my house. I mean, I'm not at my house. I mean, Gil got mad. They started stopping at him.
Starting point is 02:11:11 Hey, man, we're filming right now. We need your house. You can't come in. Yeah. Hey, man, hey, come back at 12, my nigga. This is my house. This is my house. Security stopped the nigg.
Starting point is 02:11:22 Hey, hey, shooting in this, motherfucker. I told you come back to your house later.

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