Gil's Arena - Baron Davis Breaks Down NBA Finals Game 5 With Gil's Arena

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

Baron Davis Breaks Down NBA Finals Game 5 With Gil's Arena as the legendary California hooper joins the Gil's Arena Crew to break down the OKC Thunder's huge win over the Indiana Pacers in Game 5 of the NBA Finals and react to the Thunder's dynamic duo lifting their team to within one win of the NBA Championship. They debate if this career altering performance solidified Shai Gilgeous Alexander & Jalen Williams as the best duo in the NBA and discuss if Williams vaulted himself into the NBA Finals MVP discussion with his 40 point performance. They also dissect the game from the Pacers perspective as a calf injury held Tyrese Haliburton to his worst performance in the NBA Playoffs, sparking a debate over who will step up to push the Pacers to a Game 7. Next, the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to Magic Johnson's comments on the criteria for an NBA Superstar and give their take on how many true superstars are in the NBA before breaking down Magic calling out Luka Doncic over his conditioning late in the season, sparking a debate over whether or not they believe Luka is cut out to be the face of the Lakers. They then continue their discussion on the best landing spots for Kevin Durant, this time highlighting the San Antonio Spurs as the best landing spot for the Phoenix Suns' superstar. They discuss if it makes sense for the Spurs to leverage their impressive future to pair Victor Wembanyama with a Hall of Famer and debate if this move would immediately put the Spurs in contention for an NBA Championship. Finally, the Gil's Arena CALLS OUT Stephen A Smith for his terrible take that Giannis Antetokounmpo is an underachiever if he doesn't win another title and Baron Davis gives his take on various NBA topics like the Knicks' head coaching search, Jonathan Kuminga's contract battle with Golden State, and Russell Westbrook's future in the NBA. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Josiah Johnson, Baron Davis, Norris Cole, Kenyon Martin, Nick Young & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Fetch a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your Dog. Go to https://ruffgreens.com/arena and use promo code ARENA. Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 0:00:00 2 Min Countdown 0:01:56 Show Start 0:05:53 Magic Johnson's Definition Of A Superstar 0:11:32 Are There Any Superstars In The NBA Finals? 0:21:44 Rashad Calls Caitlin Clark The Only Superstar 0:28:13 Magic Calls Out Luka's Conditioning 0:54:24 The Spurs Are Kevin Durant's Best Fit 1:13:42 Nick Invites Kenyon To His 24Hr Fitness Runs 1:20:53 Baron Davis Enters The Arena 1:25:21 Best LA Hooper That Didn't Make It 1:29:30 Are Players Really Concerned With Their Legacies 1:36:50 OKC's Dynamic Duo Dominate The Pacers 1:53:01 Haliburton's Injury Status 1:59:04 J-Dub Has A Shot For Finals MVP 2:17:57 Can The Pacers Extend The Series? 2:31:51 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Johnson called out Luca for his conditioning last season, but how will Luca handle the pressure that comes with being the face of the Lakers in his first full season with the team and KD reportedly wants to get traded to the Spurs but should San Antonio leverage their future with a 15-time all-star the KD win when we do it might be some special but what's it gonna take to make it happen before we get into all that as always the show is brought to you by underdog if you want to get your bread right download the underdog gap use promo code Gil get up to a thousand dollars in bonus cash Plus a special pick up so no finals game tonight

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we have audio version available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. So throughout this season in these NBA finals, the topic of who is and isn't a superstar has been a point of contention. Last week on first take, Magic Johnson gave his superstar criteria. Let's take a listen.

Define a superstar. A person who can go on the road and sell the building. There we go. That's the best, it's a simple definition. Simple, I'm going to see that person, right? So you ain't talking skill on the court, that's it. You talking about the box office. Draw, even, right?

You gotta be box office. Magic sent down, you're going to the game. Yeah, a superstar gotta say, man, or you're running home from the office and saying, oh, I gotta see him on TV, right? And that's what you, Larry Bird, people running home. Charles Barker, people running home. Shaq, people running home.

Kobe, people running home. And then, of course, the greatest that's ever played, Michael Jordan, people going, running home to see him him or they're trying their best to get into the arena to see that brother play that's a superstar who could go on the road and sell the building magic also a superstar can go on the road sell the building out everybody humility pre-90s go right there so do you agree with magic on his definition of what defines a superstar? Norris, what's star with you? Absolutely. That's the first part of it. You know,

if you can't sell, if you can't sell arenas out, you can't be considered a superstar. If you can't sell merch, not no superstar. Obviously, you got to have something that makes you that, but first things first. Ain't nobody paying to show up and watch you. You can't call yourself a superstar. First things first, ain't nobody paying to show up and watch you, you can't call yourself Superstar. Swaggy, you agree with Irvin Madri Johnson's assessment of would it? For sure, for Superstar, you playing at home and the Kobe coming, you see all Kobe jerseys.

Mm-hmm. You know, that's what defines Superstar, you know, when you playing at home and it seem like you the away team sometimes. So yeah, I witnessed that being a Laker, just in general, the whole Lakers, no matter wherever they come, I think just that name itself makes you like a nation. Yeah. Put you up there. Toby's final season, what was that?

Oh, man, it was like rock star. Everywhere he went is people waiting outside, like long lines, everybody fighting to get his jersey because he had to give away his last little shoes or arm band, jersey, everything. People trying to get pictures autographed. I got a pair of them shoes. They came to New Orleans. I said, Kobe, I knee to match the game. When Kobe scored, when he beat Michael Jordan, it wasn't at the Staples. It was in Minnesota.

And they stopped the game and called timeout. Or it was Spurs in Minnesota. They called timeout, gave him the ball, the crowd cheered like it was a home game. That shit was crazy. Let's move to this side of the couch, Sonny. Do you agree with Magic Johnson's definition of what defines a superstar? I do. Well put. I mean, only reference I really got is Cope. I mean, we played Minnesota, everybody showed up.

He was scoring, they was cheering. Didn't get it, didn't understand it. And then I went to Sacramento and seen it triple the time. Like everybody in the crowd was Lakers jerseys. We were at home. So that's when I was like, okay. In both of those, I'd imagine Kobe jerseys, right?

Cause I think that's, yeah. 100%. Lakers fans obviously known to travel from building to building on the road, but Kobe the main attraction. Yeah, Lakers come with, Kobe come with Lakers, Lakers come with Kobe. So they were cheering regardless, but you know Lakers, Lakers come with Kobe. So they were cheering

regardless but you know when he's scoring it was different. It was like we did not feel like it was a home game for sure. And just from that side of it how does it feel when you're at home these are supposed to be your fans even a place like Sacramento which notoriously hates the Lakers. That was the weird part. Your hostile territory. It just get that way and it's a beautiful thing you know you can see a superstar flurries. I seen a little bit flurries of it with Lebron at that time too because he was just now getting into it. I didn't get to see 2010 Bron and all that but you can see people were showing up with that jersey on, he was giving glimpses at all that. Yeah, and Steph too, I forgot Steph. I'll step definitely on that level.

Okay, how about yourself, do you agree with Magic's definition of what a superstar is? Yeah, he would know. Shit, if anybody would know, he would. So, yeah, anybody that would disagree with him, how can you disagree with someone who played against these people that he named that did the exact same thing when he like it wasn't showtime before Magic showed up. Yeah. So there was no showtime like this.

Yeah. So it went in but it wasn't that. Magic Larry helped save the league, helped really usher in this new era. Yeah so he know what it looked like, man, being one of the original guys with his signature shoes, so to speak, and having commercials and being the face. So he would know. So yeah. Then go last but not least. We were having some issues with our smoke machine prior to the show. I think we have corrected them. This one is fine. This one's fine over here. The LeBron smoke machine fine, Bronnie.

No, that's Bronnie. Bronnie's working. Pfft. Ha ha ha ha. Ha ha ha ha. Man, that's crazy. That's all it takes. All right, but now let's shift the head.

There's been some talk., obviously SGA, MVP, likely to be finals MVP, Halliburton, really showing out this postseason most of the time. Does anyone playing in the finals right now fit the criteria of a superstar? I think SGA is emerging as one, becoming as one. I don't think Holly is, but SGA is emerging as one, becoming as one. I don't think Holly is, but SGA is emerging. It's only one.

Yeah, he is. The only one. If he played in a bigger market, he would already be there. Just the fact that he plays in Oklahoma City. Yeah. But him winning MVP, him playing on the biggest stage now is gonna help that trend in the right direction. So yeah, to Norris's point, like yeah,

he is definitely on the doorstep of it. Signature shoe, the fashion, everything, and the way it goes about his craft, so yeah. But do we feel like SGA selling tickets right now? Obviously, amazing player doing a lot of amazing things, but are you paying your heart or money? That's what I'm saying. SGA comes in time.

That's why I said he's emerging but he ain't there yet. He got everything but. Because he's not flashy. Right because it's not those guys like you knew like just say just take Stephens right on any given night he can go out that motherfucking make 13 threes right so it's like he got excited. On the road like that's so with Shea it's just consistency right. Quiet. It? So it's like, you got to excite on the road. Like that's so with Shay is just consistency. Right? Quiet. It's quiet. It's not flashing Duncan on nobody. He ain't yelling. He ain't telling you about it in the press conference. You know what I'm saying? He ain't talking shit.

So it's it's a little it's going to be a different approach to more like a Tim Duncan, right? Right. Quietly busting your ass, winning MVPs, winning championships, consistent, but it's gonna be that approach. And would you say Duncan's superstar? Absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. I feel like personality kinda impacts that.

It does, but he is. Like you can't, whatever we wanna say about him. His weird personality. Tim Duncan coming to town, are you gonna take his? He branded that weird personality. He's not a spurs. He's not moving the ear in that regard, but if he's a quiet, he's a superstar,

but it ain't, he's on the lower end of it because of his personality. So Sean, I'll ask you first, SGA, do you feel like he's emerging, he's on that path to becoming a superstar in the NBA? I'll say yes, he is a superstar right now. I'll say the reason why is because you look at what Metric Magic has given us back in the day when there was an internet. Even the Metric I gave with

Cobe, these are people that are coming to the stadium. We don't have to go to the stadium no more. We got four stadiums watching us live at some point during our 80,000, 70,000, 60,000 people watching us live. Right? So we have stadiums that we're not filling, but people are watching. So the same thing with SGA. He got more people that showing up with him every single game that's not at the game. That road game that we talking about, it ain't

no role game no more because there's more people watching on the outside. They're cheering for him when he playing. We just don't get to see him. That's why his, his superstar him how he's branded himself, fits superstar cause he's covering all the bases, regardless of the old metric, regardless of the old metric. Regardless of the old metric. The new metric, he's setting the standard now. Is Kossonet a superstar? Yeah, but he's not Kossonet.

But is Kossonet a superstar? That's totally two different things. No, it's not because Kossonet not filling up arenas. He will. He's not playing against nobody. He's not going on the road. I understand about this. What about the ones that's doing both though?

Luca do both. Yeah. People paying to watch him on the internet and they showing up to the turnstiles. He branded like SBA though. I'm just asking you, how do you compare other superstars? Does he have a sponsorship with Skims? That's kind of.

Luca. I don't know all his... Okay, so you gotta be aware. I know in Europe, he uh... All the sponsorships in Europe, Luca do. Which ones? Everywhere in Spain, he got... We know Stem though, right?

And you know Converse, right? I know Europe. And they just do AT&T, right? Him and his teammates. I'm not saying that he's branding himself Now he's doing great, but I'm just comparing to other superstars Which one are you in for you comparing all market teams playing? Yeah, so let me read this list This is the numbers on this finals are not up I know if Luca and LeBron or Yance was playing the visual numbers would be you can't say that

We've been able to compare the numbers. It's hypothetical. No, you can just look at the past years. It's not a fact. We've been like, oh. It's too small for the hypotheticals. There's data on that. So here's the-

When Steph was in the finals versus SGA, in the finals, the data says. Where are the two teams? Who was on those teams? What about superstars? Superstars, bro. You said superstars. You asked me. So I'm just comparing the different superstars. You asked me so I'm just comparing a different superstar.

You have more reasons to watch right? No. Cause we got more people on here. He's played in the finals before now. Yes they have. So NBA released the list of the top ten most viewed players who? Boston played that last year. You're walking in quicksand over here man. So NBA released the list of the top ten most viewed players this season, I'm going to read that list for you. LeBron, number one, he had 3.23 billion views. Steph Curry, number two, 2.56 billion views.

Luke Cuthard, 1.82. Wimby, fourth, 1.47. Joker, fifth, 1.2. Jaws, sixth, 1.09. SGA, seventh, 1.06. Giannis, eighth, 897 million. Anthony Edwards, ninth. Jason Tatum 10th. He top 10.

Oh. So, cool. Okay. Small market top 10, 7th. Okay. 10. So there is a demand. This was for regular season though.

This is what's not going to play out there. I'm sure that those numbers have now adjusted. I'm with it. I'm not saying, I'm sure they've increased now too. Yeah, whether they have or they haven't increased. Wherever it is. Again. For you to be been a top 10 superstar. That's not a super.

But still, but in the market that he plays in, like I said, he's trending in the right direction. Didn't say it was. He's trending in the right direction. Yeah, I'm about to say he's emerging. He's trending in the right direction. Emerging. Yeah. He's just starting.

So. Being in the final signature shoe, MVP helps. For next year. For next year, yeah. Next year he'll be a legitimate superstar. Yeah, so now he's trending, absolutely. He'll be the only person that does what he's about to do. Next year, the rollout of superstardom, face of the NBA will be.

So let's talk about this very moment right now, and using Magic Johnson's definition, how many legit superstars are there in the NBA and WNBA right now? Three. Three. That are selling out arenas. And the W? NBA, WNBA. Curry, LeBron, well four.

I mean, two playing on the same team, but Curry, LeBron, and Caitlin Clark are the basketball superstars right now. I'll give a little bit more. Yeah, I'll give a little bit more. That are selling out arenas when you you go on the road, like- Yeah, they on, well, Luca and Lebron on the same team. Luca and Lebron are shooting. That's why I said, it's three,

but two plays on the same team. So you just go with the higher one. When Steph goes on the road, like the definition of Super Bowl. What's funny is I've said this for two years and y'all all fought me against it, but now Magic says it and then it makes sense. But yeah, when you go on the road, it's not about your record. It's not about your team It's about who you are you can be 0 and 12 if Allen Iverson came to the city sold out

Yeah, 100% Michael Jordan with the Wizards sold out I don't like you. I don't like you. My father. No, he's right. So I'll go out Chuck come to town sold out. So yeah, the definition is a superstar It has nothing to do with your team success. I'm gonna give you real team About no 70 wins. Yes, your team. I'm gonna give you a real star You real story Michael Jordan first time coming this we kick an ass and take a name with the Nets Michael Jordan come back we coming up but we hadn't had a sell out yet. In two years, we whooping ass out there, finals, final whooping ass. Michael Jordan come there, we got our first sell out.

With the Wizards. Guess what? We put 74 on that head in the first half, and motherfucker came out that bitch with ice on the second half ran his ass out the building I can't wait to say that No, but this one is no matter the record no matter your record So you don't consider like jason taylor?

Not yet. Okay, so you know what i'm saying? People come to see boston but they wouldn't come see Cleveland. Boston, they're coming to see Boston. See, the superstar right now is, right now there's only two or three. There's a bunch of them trending. They're going to be the new. That's SGA, that's John Marant, that's Luca, that's Queenie Edwards. They're in the next realm of going to be superstars. Because his, yes, and it's tough. It's Kyrie the superstar. people show up to watch Kai. Like to his part?

People come to watch Kai, bro. To Shaz' point, and to your point as well, it's like, it's such hype now, right? It's so much hype because of the internet and media and the fuck the way shit is. Like people putting shit in the microwave now. So it's yes to your point. and the fuck the way shit is. Like people putting shit in the microwave now. So, it's,

yes, to your point that you, absolutely, but. Three? There's only. Nah, he said Luca Lebron, Steph, and Katelyn Cart. Katelyn Cart. But it's just so much hype behind Jason Tatum's and all these other people, right? It's just so much hype behind. They get so much buzz and so much attention.

But they win, lose, or whatever happens, it puts them, the constant conversation makes people think different, right? I know that. It makes people think different. It makes people think different because of the constant, no matter if it's a day old, two days old, three days old, whatever it is, you open your phone up if you ain't been on Instagram and whatever

it is, that's what's going to be on your, you'll be like damn, damn, damn, damn, it's always that, it seems like they're always being mentioned for, because of people putting shit in the microphone. Because I don't have to go to the game to connect with the superstar. Yeah, that's it. I mean superstars you got. That's it. So Sean, I got a question for y'all.

I know you're a big Caitlin Clark fan. Is it fair to say that Caitlin Clark is the biggest superstar in basketball right now, based on Magic Johnson's metric? She's the only. She would be the only. In the W? No, in the across basketball. No, y'all.

Smoking dope is not cool. Sports. Y'all smoke big, man. Shador might be the next. I was about to say. Like, after Caitlin, if he performs in Cleveland, people go to Cleveland to watch him. Even if he doesn't perform, if he does his thing, like expected. It adds to it.

You're not saying Caitlin is bigger than Steph and LeBron though, are you? I'm saying right now they can't do what she's doing. Caitlin moved her knee. LeBron or I'm saying right now they can't do what she doing Hey, they move the new she does but some lose on a way About her Move the needle wherever she goes Definitions selling out arenas She's unmatched

History the W Caitlin's unmatched. Maybe in the history of the W. He's famous. Yeah, Kailin is unmatched in the W. She's unmatched. She's been being famous and a superstar. No, that's the same. It's two separate things. No, cuz you gotta have the hoop to go with. It is the same in a sense because if you're feeling the arena and they want to see who you are and what the hype is about, that's the reason it's the hype. I'm the superstar in here. But Sean, for my question. I'm the superstar in here. Back on the Cayman Clark. No, you're famous. But what's the difference?

You can go places. That too, but famous is when you go places. You go anywhere, right? Wherever you go, you walk in the streets, no matter where you are. Yo, fuck, that's Nick. Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, fuck, that's Nick. Nick, yo. Nick, Nick, Nick. Nick, Nick, Nick. Nick, Nick, right? Cool. But I'm saying-

Nigga, we ghetto fans. Superstar them, you don't need security. We ghetto superstars, right? Everybody in hoods and everybody know us, right? White people love me. That's true, but we ghetto superstars, right? We ain't- But I'm saying-

You know how like, Barney come go on the road because they didn't have security for him Yeah, and then when he every road trip he went to they sold out, but that's a superstar But you said or sanders again made some jerseys because they thought he was gonna wear number two Superstar I'm not right. It doesn't have nothing to do with They don't have nothing to do with your performance yet. Yeah, when When you become mega star that's performance and that you you are matching the hype So we're managing Yeah, once you match it but there's superstars that haven't Like Johnny Manziel Johnny yeah superstar. He came over to superstar. So good. Would you say that?

Kaylin Clark is a mega star. Yes. Yes Absolutely Yes. Yes. Absolutely. And it's not an apples to apples comparison. There's very few Megasaur. When you're switching venues, when you're switching venues and selling out the venue that you switched to. There's few Megas. She's a Mega. We went to the game.

We went to the game and we watched her team go in the locker room. She walked back to the half court line. Thousands of people. Not at home in LA and did this Performance helps you get into the maker star. She's making Michael Michael Jordan of this you get into the make a star because he's making Michael Michael Jordan of this James came in as a superstar touched mega star. Yeah for sure Curry came in as a regular-ass star no turn to superstar then went to make a star yes that's what she is Shay is came in as really nobody. He's turned into a superstar.

He came in as somebody. Who? Curry did come in as somebody. He didn't come in with a superstar type. He had David's hype. He didn't have a superstar type. He didn't have no superstar. He had hype though.

He had hype. He had hype. I said superstar type. He had star hype. He had star hype. Like everybody wants to go see him. Like Zion. Superstar hype.

Superstar hype. No, no, no. He didn't have superstar hype. Zion? No, no, no. He didn't have star hype. He had star hype. Like everybody was going to see him. Super star hype. Super star hype. Super star hype. No, no, no. He didn't have super star hype.

Zion? Jah didn't. Jah had star hype. Jah earned that though. He was in Murray State. Jah was more, that's not a saying. I'm just thinking about it. He wasn't unknown.

But he wasn't on everybody's radar when he first came to the team. Because it was the college team that he was on. His talent was what it was. But it became that. If he starts winning and stuff like that, he's going to jump into Megastar. He's already superstar. He jumped into winning Megastar.

His jersey sales are crazy. Anyway, got to get out of here. So bringing my next question for y'all, if you owned an NBA team, would you rather have a great team with no superstar or a good team with a superstar? You said good team. What's a good team? I was about to say, it depends.

Indiana? What? What's a good team? Like Indiana? No. Great team, championship level, competing for finals. No superstar? Don't need no superstar.

No superstar. Like Indiana, right? You can use Indiana as a comp. And I feel like Tyrese. What city am I in? I was about to say the city that matters. The city matters. If I'm in a great city am I in? I'm about to say the city that matters. The city matters. If I'm in a great city, I don't need a superstar, but if I'm in an okay city, I need that superstar.

If you in New York or whatever, you don't necessarily have to be super star. I need a mother fucker jumping over people. I need a fan favorite. You just need a fan favorite in New York. That's all you need in New York. If you own the team, great team, but no true superstar. What city? Good team, good team.

That matters. I'll let you know. I'll let you know. I'll let you know. I'll let you know. I'll let you know. That's all you need in New York. Owner? Yeah, if you own the team. Great team, but no true superstar. What city? Good team, what city? I'll let you. I'll let you.

Middle of the road. Clippers? Yeah, just give me five motherfuckers out there. Yeah. Just give me five. They're gonna go set themselves. New York, set them set. Open the door, two million.

Get a nigga that can dunk. What? Splayer. No, dead ass. Splayer, just open the door, two million Yeah, I think it like a duck player But if I'm a if I'm a If I'm starting off my franchise, I want a superstar. Yeah, I want someone that can that's gonna put people in the seat Get him it. Yeah, I should get up and try to get off. Yeah, and I care about winning but also like, ooh I'm kind of seeing it with Memphis now There's one thing a winning a winning team, which means you got to spend money and you got to develop sells the building, right?

Consistency of winning sells the building a superstar loan sells the building regardless of regardless Okay, that's basically the point. I was in this car to young Vince Carter coming in doing what he's doing that Let's keep this thing moving Magic considered by many to be the greatest point guard of all time second greatest Laker ever Leading the purple gold to five chips nine finals appearances in his 13 seasons with the franchise So during his first take appearance Magic called out Luca for his conditioning issues last season. You know the Lakers, man, Luca got to understand this is not Dallas to your point.

Kobe, bless you. God rest his soul. Yes. Superstar who led us, Shaq led us to the championship. LeBron leadership. That's right. And that's what's missing here. And so we shouldn't have to tell you to be in shape. That should have been, you should have been about that. Right? Especially you're a superstar.

So. You should have been about that, right? Especially you're a superstar. So, this is a recent video of Luca putting gyms. So we've been working on his body. That's a contradiction. Yes. But Luca- See it ain't Dallas, you know what I mean? So that brings me to my question. So by looking at recent photos and videos of Luca,

it appears he's up to the challenge of getting his body right, taking on the challenge of- Is he naked? No, he's fully his body right, taking on the challenge of- Is he naked? No, he's fully clothed, hitting 720 on the squats. Let me just tell you right now, that ain't what we talking about.

Good for him. That helped, but we need to see him running, getting that cart. Good for him, and then that brings me- That's slam dunk. Riding a bike. Here's Luca in the gym. Judging my foot with claw like-

And then here's a recent photo of Luca appearing to be a fresh off of no-Zephyr pack. Just looking more slender than you. Ain't got that body. you. You got that body. You get the good good. He stepped on not stepped on the non step. Don't look at you. You got the face of a franchise.

He's done. So during his time in Real Madrid when he became the youngest Euro League MVP at 19 years old also with the maps where it was a five- first team, all NBA selection, but there was far more scrutiny with being the face of the Lakers, compared to being the face of those other teams. So is Luka built for being the face of the Lakers, in the good and the bad that comes with that? Sure, yeah I think, you know, Magic said it,

this is not Dallas, right, and I think, when Luka got here, he kind of understood this was a different beast. And as you can see, he's losing weight, showing people that he's losing weight. And I think being around LeBron, who's been an apex of conditioning and being a professional, for the first time in Lucas' career, he's been with someone who's in another door

that his talent says he should be in. A lot of us don't get that pleasure to be with a guy who's up there. So if LeBron James is helping him think about what's important, body conditioning, eating habits, nightlife, I think he will be ready for the task. But it's new for him, so he has to learn how to be an LA superstar. He was a Dallas superstar. Now you're an LA superstar.

That's a very different beast. So Lakers fans gave him the benefit of the doubt. I feel like this season finished third in the West. Obviously getting knocked out in the first round. There were some issues and complaints about his conditioning defense in that first round of the playoffs. But now this is a full season. Fucking head coach fault. See? But I ain't been on somebody else but the pot.

But my point is, my man. But I'm going to credit the head coach for his coach, he can learn a lot from JJ. Like, JJ was, he was a mover. He was in peak shape when he played. You played with him? No, no, I'm just, no. I was in Orlando. I just watched him.

I got him. Motherfucker, moving around, you can tell what type of shape he was in from running around, right? So you can just tell, like, he can learn a lot from him. And JJ is a straight shooter. JJ gonna tell him exactly what it is. He's not going to sugarcoat it with him. So that's having that learning tool in LeBron,

that visual learning person, whatever you want to call it, LeBron in his life, that tutor, whatever you want to call it, right? He can learn a lot from him, but you got a guy that's holding you accountable and your head coach, I think going gonna go a long way for him. So so Sean. Let me say yeah my back So I'm gonna ask you this I've got the honeymoon period over right we know Lakers fans that have a very high standard From Magic Shaq Kobe on through people that brought championships in this franchise They were calling Westbrook West brick during his time with the team. So they don't hold any punches. They're not coming anybody. We've seen Luca in the past get into it at Mavs games with fans.

Question his way, question his condition, seem to be a little sensitive at times. But do you think that Luca is built to handle the pressure that comes would be in the face of the Lakers franchise? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think the other superstar could handle what it meant, what it took. Lakers ain't really felt what the championship spirit felt like 15 years. Now y'all can say the bubble does bubble that, but the fans didn't get to experience that. And that's the biggest thing about championship and whether they count or

not, because the fans get that memory. There's babies made, families come together. We go to the parade, we was at the game, we took the pictures on the court, there's confetti and all that. So they missing that energy, and ain't nobody stepped into that role to deliver that. So it's hard to come in and say he's built for that when he came in out of shape.

And that was the thing I said that was in Dallas, which is why they, a part of the reason why they like, yo, we shouldn't have to tell you this, what he's saying. And however people feel about that bubble reading, there was no correct. It's okay to get spanked too. But usually you learn after you get your ass whooped, right? To his point, but to his crib. He performed though. When did he get his ass spanked? To his defense, right?

I said he performed enough. He got his team to the finals, so for him to listen to being out of shape, he like, I just got my team to the finals averaging 34, 8 and 8. Like what we talking about? So for him, he had to experience it. He had to see someone else that's better than him. He ain't seen nobody. He say I'm out of shape and I'm cooking everybody. So he had to see LeBron be like oh he's in a pantheon that I'm not in. You know what? I can yield to that because when he was there he adjusted to the pressure of like Euroleague. That's the highest pressure you can get in

Europe. He adjusted to that, he won. He came to Dallas, whether we like it or not, they was saying he was out of shape, he cooking everything walking. So he was like, man, y'all saying I'm out of shape and I'm playing all the minutes and I'm cooking. So he ain't had nobody to really hold him accountable, really.

Hold yourself accountable. You don't know what's sitting down, right? He's 34, 88. Most people is like loving that. Most people would love to be able to do that and be out of, quote unquote, out of shape. So this is the first time. And he's like, OK, I ain't good enough just on face value. LeBron is a megastar.

LA has seen people better than me. Look up there. You see Shaq, Magic. You see all the Pantheons. He's like, OK, OK, I'm not it. I'm not the creme de la creme. So now he can like work on that. I think it hurt running into Anthony Edwards

in that first round. I think that helped him more than anything. You could say, and it's okay to say, to get help from LeBron, everybody's saying his name. And that's okay to learn from somebody that's did it at the top of the line but I see the get killed by your peers like that in the first round and to see how he looked out there compared to how you look.

How he look? Ant-Man look like, you supposed to be better than Ant-Man at this point. He been better than Ant-Man every year. He been in the NBA. Yeah. He's been better than him. He still is. He still is? He absolutely still better than him.

Well, not to me. I listen to him, man. Not to me. Just because his team, just because his team, not his team. He averaged. Luca Dungeon's still a better basketball player than Anthony. OK. You're using team as him.

I'm not. You're saying he got good. He averaged 30. I'm about to say, yeah, he got good. He's got 30. I'm about to say, yeah, he got good. He's got 37 and 6. Anthony, that's a long way to go, bro. But just like anything, we all, I came into the NBA.

What we see is what we see. We don't know what's out there. What's out there. You hear stories of people doing other things. For the most part, yeah, yeah, whatever. Right? Until you're in a locker room with a dude or you see it with your eyes,

you don't know it, right? I'm pretty sure if these boxers actually sat down with Floyd and say, tell me everything you've done, he's gonna tell them shit that they've never heard or have never seen before. That's when they jump into that next door. So we saying Lucas should know how to get in shape. How who's taught him?

It's kind of how they taught him how to be a Kari don't get in shape. Kari don't work out. Kari get in his shape. Does he know how to get in Steph shape? Only way you know how to get in Steph shape is go work with Steph. You don't know. That's a different.

Unless you see it with your own eyes. Unless you see it with your eyes and doing it with your eyes. He asked me some time working out with Steph though. But that's what I'm saying. The only way you know it is if you you see it with your own eyes. Unless you see it with your eyes and doing it with your eyes. He has spent some time working out with Steph though. The only way you know it is if you see it. We heard about the Breakfast Club, but there was only two or three people invited to that. We heard about Ray Allen Shape. I didn't know it until he came to play in Miami. That type of shape Ray Allen was in, it's different.

What is Ray Allen Shape, Norris? Ray Allen Shape is like Steph Curry's shape, bro. know cuz except he can dunk more. He's built on that Yeah, it's built on that he got to be able to move man when you don't understand somebody to kind of shape somebody is in When we was with the Knicks right y'all did our shit fucking Pablo Precione bro Italian a different level of Cardio, right? We done did all this shit at practice. We done ran training camp, all that. He like finished in practice every day

with a three minute run. I outlast you. Every practice, no matter what we did, no matter, he finished practice with a three minute run. So it's that kind of people who you speaking of, that kind of shape and when we looking at him like kind of shape and well, we looking at him like After practice go ride do a half a marathon just to ride his bike after practice and then go play 18 holes of golf And come back the next day ready to practice. I'll be like Ray. That's out of body, bro Even LeBron look array me like Ray. Come on like that. Hey Ray, come on

Okay, but you don't know until you know. You blaming his game on not being in shape next year. That's why they lost. Who? Who? That's why Lakers lost. No, no. No, no.

We're blaming nothing. We're just saying the team is better. Stop. Minnesota team is better. Why are you doing this? We all were. I'm pretty sure people don't know what's going on. We weren't even thinking about blaming anybody.

We're saying that there's another level of getting in shape. Minnesota was better. Minnesota was a better team than Lakers. He was in shape though. N***a Rudy Gobert had 24.27. Whatever he was against y'all. What makes Luca better than him, man? He's a better basketball player.

He's an overall better basketball player than Anthony Edwards. We just saw him. We just see him. Who? Dope a dope. He limited. Who limited? Anthony Edwards.

We just watched him in the playoffs. Now we being disrespectful. No, we just watched him. I'm not taking anything off his play. He's a very good basketball player. He's trending up, absolutely. I'll be more, I'll be excited to have him. That man was doubled every time he touched the ball, bro.

Every superstar gets doubled every time he touched the ball. And didn't know what to do. And didn't know what to do. Man, we saw Luca get time he touched the ball. And didn't know what to do. Man, we saw Luca get guarded by Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Pat Bev, the Morris twins, all doubled. He was fucking getting guarded by it. It never doubled, Luca. Man, this playoffs, too.

Yeah, they did. Boy, let's have LeBron James again right up in threes. It's not doubled. The fact that you say someone's out of shape in all of this and he averaged 30, it should let you know how good he is. Yes. We're not saying he averaged 21 or 15. The nigga averaged 20.

We're not saying he's not good. Thirty, seven, and six and you're calling him out of shape. We never said he wasn't good. When he gets in shape, what would he be? He's not totally out of shape. Just like when we said MB was out of shape, we said, and B needs to get in shape. If he does, we know what he's going to look like. And then when he got a little bit of better shape.

34. We said the same thing with Zion. Let's not say he's out of shape, but let's say he can be in better shape. You can't average 34 points a game if he's not in better shape. His body, listen, the look, our test, did you watch it? Yeah, of course. Was he out of shape?

He looked, he didn't look great. You disagree. He didn't look great out there. He didn't look great out there. I'm not gonna say he was out of shape. He didn't look great out there. You're triggering me. You disagree with me.

No, he didn't look great. I don't wanna say he looked totally out of shape. Yes, he was out of shape. He was out of seven and six. We was just having this whole conversation about him not being out of shape. He's not in great shape to me, like elite. The best shape he could be.

How do we know that though? How do we know that? But Gil, to your point, you said the same thing about him. Does he look in better shape? Right now, losing like a little bit, lost about 15. The pictures looked as skinny when he came too. No, I'm saying, does he look like he lost about 16? The pictures looked as skinny when he came too.

No, no, no. You were like, yo, look at Luca. Luca came too. No, he looked like he lost his like. That's your Roscoe like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, So that means if you think he can get in better shape, so him being in better shape many gonna slide his feet and all that Yeah, we will hope but I'm asking you You think you can get in better shape what does this ceiling look like if there's another level I mean, you look like you was more fucking goddamn Tony Allen out this bitch Five straight years, I'm asking you if there's's more level to get to, and him getting in shape, what

does his ceiling look like? But it's going to make him, I'm asking you a question. He averaged 37 and 6. You don't say he's loose. He's not in top tier shape. What happens when he gets in top tier shape? What does it look like? So when he lose, when he's in shape, what's going to happen?

What does losing have to, I'm not talking about losing or winning I'm saying 30 7 & 6 if he's if he's right here if we're saying there's more levels that he physically can get into what does that look like defensive player of the year okay stop it yeah we were hoping will lead to some defense. Okay, so we know what motherfucking hope works. So defense, so defense. Do you know, you ain't been, you know what hope works? Nah. At your local Divi-Wop.

You got some dollars on you? Hope down at the motherfucking flop. She stripping for motherfucking tips. That's what hope works. So you want a number? Very good at it. Hope, chance, all that motherfuck, all that potential want a number? Chance all that mother all that wish all that wish All that shit work at the strip club problems

You gotta get problems when you go to work at the strip club problem Him being elite defender him moving his feet on D if he fucking tries the best he fucking can right We ain't doing that How hard he tried. He ain't gonna be able to. Because he average 36 when he gets in shape. I love Luga though, but I'd be just making excuses for it.

No one made an excuse. I don't know. What conversation are you on? Rodney and Cedric. What conversation? Nobody's talking about them losing. Nobody gives a damn. We're talking about when he gets in peak shape, where is his career going to be?

That has nothing to do with him losing a fellow. Why am I even asking the question? Where is it at right now though? Where is it at right now? It could be worse. It could be worse. Top five player in the league right now. It could be.

We're saying right now where he's at, can he get better? That's what we're talking about. Would he benefit from being in the league? You're talking about excuses on why he lost? We're looking at a picture and saying he's at, can he get better? That's what we're talking about. What he's talking about excuses on why he lost. We're also talking about if he's built mentally to deal with the scrutiny that comes with being on the leg. When he gets in shape, where would he be? Alright, what's going to be the next picture? Circle it back around. Circle it back around.

What are we talking about? Can you get back to the pistol? Can we talk about him being out of shape? You brought it up like, yeah, we need to be talking about Luke if Luca come back here's the big if you go Stop making excuses about the way I don't know who's making the huge thing for the We don't want to hear we don't want to see no pictures you do slimming down who's making an answer 37 and 6

We're asking a question. That means that means open up your brain and listen We're saying if this is where his talent is right now and everybody saying he's out of shape What can we expect if he gets in shape? 37 8 and 8 3010 and 10 where does the ceiling go if this is the shit y'all talking about now at 37 and six? And what was my answer? He said play defense.

I said defense the player of the year. Okay, defense. So you've been unrealistic. But that's- Unrealistic. So you've been unrealistic. We don't say that about- Yes, I've been unrealistic.

Cause there was a player who did both for like 10 straight years. Okay, cool. So now we're going there. Yes, cause that makes it years. Okay, cool. So you now we go in there Yes, I think that's realistic. No, it's not you think that's not him. Okay. Oh, I'm about to say him I'm not him Superstar Speaking of hey, I don't have to tell you speaking up. So did that man leave the league in the system? No

So what so do you want to be something? He ain't already bounce? No, what is so shut? What is that doing? What is those? That's not doing that. What is those stats? So you want to be something? He's not we've been on really. Yeah, be a we wanted that man to be go out and leave the league. He's a shape, he's in shape. Nick, look, what is real? He's a little bit faster. Right?

Wouldn't that stop help us in the first round of the playoffs? Nick, he's talking about season. Does he wear MVP if he's in shape? It wouldn't be nothing. No, I'm just saying, would he be in that? He's already in that. He's in shape.

He's already in that. He, I'm gonna get some shakes. He's already in that. He's already in that. Say it again. Say it again. He was already in the conversation. Nick, was it realistic for you to be in the conversation for a defensive player to be in when you played? Yes. Now, you on motherfucking what and what. It was.

Dope and. You don't have to stand with me. What you drinking right here, bro? Norris would like a sip. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. We got a lot of time to get into this. You're all gonna sip in that hand to sip? What?

To sip? Patrinsey? Yes. Patrinsey. Norris would like a sip. Alright, well let's keep this thing moving. We got a lot of time. What? Patrinosy? Absolutely. Nobody can get past me. You gotta be in shape to move them puppies from here to here to here to here. You gotta want to.

You gotta want to. You gotta be in shape. No. If you can score 30 points a game, you might have won. Why you y'all niggas looking at me in my face? I ain't playing. You're the only folks in here. Damn.

Do you have to be in shape? And you look at our faces and say, done this shit. Do this and do that. You don't have to be in shape? No. You don't? It would be beneficial. You don't?

You don't have to. The bread of our faces is that you going to be defensively in shape. Your question was to say, sit down for a second. So y'all use words and shit, right? No, you don't have to, Josiah answered your question, where you said, do you have to be? Has Lebron won?

No, no, fucking has. He should have. He should have. Has Kobe won defensive player yet? He should have. Both of them should have. Y'all ask him to do something that some of the Pantheons ain't never did.

I know, man, that's why. They should have. Come on, man. Y'all don't say that to people, dog. That's your honor. That's your honor. You're not a 616 I'm super sick. I'm gonna call me do it. They didn't almost a

They gave it he's going to go They gave it we can all The fact that he's in that there's a fact that theyall talking about him doing that, that's crazy to me. That's just like you know how great he really is. Akeem Aladjewan did it. So how many people in the history of the NBA? That's three. Out of how many people?

A lot of people. God damn. Are we gonna do that? How many offensive dominant players have one defensive player here? We can do that with a lot of people. No, how many dominant offensive players have one defensive player here? It ain't many, brother. How many people didn't play in this league?

It ain't many. About 5, people didn't play in this league? It ain't many. Five thousand. Five thousand people. So you just gave me three out of five thousand. Dare to be great. Gave me three out of five. How many offensive players have one?

So why didn't he do these things? I guess he wasn't great enough. So your guy wasn't great enough now. Yeah, boy you listen. Cause the guy is in front of him. Step in it. What guy is in front of him? Step in this shit. The shit you just push it step in

Yo, you just bought up you Yesterday Being this being Yeah, yeah, this is just yesterday yeah, you know to know now what but he's the greatest player of all time Yes, he didn't get those accomplishments. So what can you doing that in the best ad ever medal? Oh my god I never seen him act like this. Yeah No your words. Kobe Bryant does this to people. No, no, no, no, no, no, to you. You said that. To you. I didn't just have an outfired. To you. When you say that Luka wins defensive player of the year, that's out of my memory. You went to play like this yesterday. Your

fucking hand was about to explode yesterday. We represented Kobe, baby. You were sweating. You said Luka doesn't just go win defensive player of the year. player here something that Kobe didn't do and Kobe was a real defender Okay He's saying, do something that he put Jordan in front and say Jordan did it Yeah, so we said what Kobe didn't do you got Kobe number one? Yes, so you're saying the greatest player of all time for you Don't even have none of this but you're telling the guy who's a Laker to do something that With it don't make sense for you niggas, I see. Yes, it does make very good sense.

So what, so how does it not come through? Because the greatest Laker don't have it. If I'm pushing Luka to be better than my favorite player. I'm pushing Luka to say, look, do what my guy never did. The greatest Laker don't have it. It sounds good. It sounds good coming out your mouth. The greatest Laker.

It always seems to sound good when he comes out. Wait, wait, wait. Defensive player to sound good when they come out. Defensive player of the year? He don't even have a chance to do it. If he really put his mind to it. Lebron don't even got a defensive player of the year. Fuck no. In 22 years.

Lebron now. No matter what you got. You put Lebron up here. Y'all just got Josiah out of here. Josiah, listen, Josiah don't know what to do. Luca better defend Lebron now? And Josiah just picked Josiah. That's out of body.

So Luca better defend Lebron now. Luca can't win defense. There's nothing wrong with that. Lucaiah just picked the side. That's out of body. So look who's defending Lebron now. Look who came with defense. That's what we're saying, though. There's nothing wrong with that. Don't play defense. You can't do defense. Just play defense.

You're not listening to what he's saying. He said if he's a defensive player of the year, then he can't win a motherfucker. He said, if you get defensive player of the year, you can be the greatest Laker of all time when the greatest player in the world to him ever don't even have it. I know.

You see how we're telling him, he made that sound right. ever don't even have it. Don't even sound right. There's people in front of people behind him who has these awards. The guy that he has the crown don't have the award. He's saying that you need to get the award to be the number one, but number one don't have it Let's keep this thing moving we asked the chat as Luca prepared to be the face of the Lakers we had nearly 4,000 votes 68% of the chat says yes. All right, let's keep this moving today's podcast is sponsored by rough green Sometimes in life if you want to get to the truth, you've got to look at the numbers

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But should the Spurs leverage their future to pair KD with Wimby? Ooh, shit going down here in the arena, ladies. It is turnt up. Oops. I know black. But should the Spurs leverage their future to pair KD with Wimby? I don't think they have to. I don't think they have to leverage their future. They got enough assets this year pick but they got what? 2114 they got pieces they don't have to leverage their future. Tons of draft assets and there was talk initially the Suns had a hefty asking price for KD seems like they have

no leverage in these negotiations They don't leverage your future. Yeah, you mean wimpy. No, no just castle castle Vessel Well you said future, I thought you were talking about Wimpy. No, no. That's the only future they need, motherfucker. Wimpy is the future. That's going to be a point where you just throw anybody out there with him.

You fucknigga just come on and play with him. Yeah, but no, you can't get rid of him. Yeah, you can't get rid of him. He's going to be out there. They got enough pieces that they could not leverage, like just throw everything in. So there are reports, Sons are asking for Castle, potentially that second pick.

I don't think once this thing were down they're not getting you're not getting both not enough not enough for how old is Katie 35 37 37 you're not not for 37 years with him not a 37 year old Katie if Katie was motherfucking 31 the tree if Katie was 31, Priya Killings, yeah, you give him the second. Castle 14, fucking the gym. If KD was 31, that would look somewhere along the lines of about 6, 7, 8 first round. That's what I'm saying. Now you got Wimby. So Sean, do you think FURZ leveraged their future in terms of their draft capital and assets. You got some of their young core now to bring KD into pair him up with Wemby. I do.

I give him the 14. I do. I think that what Wemby needs is momentum. He needs some momentum. So KD would give him winning momentum into his departure and then you got him and De'Aaron Fox. Castle's a promising, promising, promising prospect. He reminds me a lot like Vince, but you got to let him go

because he's very valuable. So you're looking at a piece like that, partner with Johnson or Vasell, maybe Shohan. You looking at something you can even get more to compliment KD if you separate those, you know what I'm saying? Give away that pick. Double down on the fact that you can bring the Spurs legacy back to life.

You know, right now. And Pop's departure is the one where everyone will be looking for a rebuild stage. Well, oh fuck. They've been in the midst of that. And when I say that, I mean like the dust settles. Right now, pop is gone And we got a really find a new identity

So at that point you're looking at when be being that the Aaron Fox being that come in bring KD try to bring CPN This is another vet that could give you 2325 For the next two years you have the potential to put a big three together dear father when BKD But if you do that do you say are you if you do that right? next two years. You have the potential to put a big three together, De'Aaron Fox, Wimby, KD. But if you do that, do you say, are you, if you do that, right, you say the next two years, are you winning a championship in the next two years? You gotta get close.

Say close on that, that ain't good enough. You might not win, but that's what I said, momentum. The momentum goes for Wimby. You've been right there. It's Wimby, it's Wimby though. It's a Wimby project, It's not a KD farewell tour. We need to give Wemby what it tastes like to get there and feel that, oh we was almost there. KD bring them up to the table and say, look, Darren Fox, you take us over the top.

Because they ain't even thinking you even here with us. That's why they're going to need some help though. Castle will fit into any role. Castle will play a role. You need some youth defense. If they keep Castle, that'll be the biggest deal. They keep him, it's still. Would you keep Darren Fox if the Suns asked for that? Well, you wanna give? I'm keeping him.

I'm keeping him. You gotta keep Fox. So you have to leverage the assets. You gotta leverage the assets. Not to say that that's in the mix, but the Suns... His speed, his shot ability, the way he can get downhill quick. And his experience.

His experience. His experience. If you keep Darren Fox, then you can give away the number two pick. If you're going to keep number two pick and bring in Daylon Park. But if he wants to find a castle, do you give away Ricky at a year, a guy with a very bright future in this league? That's the thing. I don't want to.

I'm not giving him the castle. I can't give up. I give you the two pick, but I'm not giving you the two anchors. You don't have nothing else to give. They're both shooting guards. All three of them are shooting. Vasell, Castle, all of them are shooting guards. The Harper is the point guard.

Harper is the shooting guard. I mean, he can play two guard. But I'm not. I thought he was a shooting guard. He's like, I'm going with this rookie of the year. They're both, like, Castle's a shooting guard. Yeah. And then your second pick is who?

Harper or Bailey? Castle is the strong court. That's why I'm giving him the Castle. And he's dropping two. So it's like, I can't. Well, that's the report saying he don't want to work out for teams. He knows where he's going. What I'm saying is, if I draft Harper, what am I doing with

him? Nothing. But if you're a Phoenix, why would you get Castle and you got Booker and Bill? Because Castle could be a small four. Phoenix is in total rebuild. They're not winning. Phoenix is not winning.

Can't Castle be a small four? No, you're going to put Booker at the point and put him at the two? He athletic, getting long. Now he can't shoot like six-five. You wouldn't go for no student guard. And Bill, honestly, they're not really rocking with him. It has to be a multi-team trade.

It can't be no straight-up trade. It can't be a straight-up trade. It has to be multi-team. You got to involve other pieces. I'm not living in the future, though, to bring KD in. Are you living in the now for when? But it's passing your future. He's part of it. for Wimby? But it's part of your future. It's part of it.

It's part of it. You got a young guard. He's a genobler. You got Wimby as the piece. You got two rookie engineers. Yeah, I mean, that's a nice foundation for a young team. Yeah, and long. You need one more piece and you got Fox.

There's a point guard. So you got three. Tony Parker, Manu. Still got Harrison Barnes over there. Oh, so would you leverage that? For Barnes? He has to go because there's no minutes for him yeah because you still got Johnson still got the sales some of these pieces may be some of the piece still might so whoever you decide to keep of them for then it's

what you I'm saying so it's I like Fox KD. I like Fox KD. Is he still valuable right now? Fox KD and Wimby. They don't have a three over there. They don't have a three over there. So let's look at the Spurs. Spurs finished 34-48 this season with Wimby sidelined for more than 30 games after suffering

a season ending in blood clotting his shoulder. Does KD make the Spurs a playoff team? And by playoff team I say top six in the NBA, not a playing team. Easy. Easy. Easy. 50 wins with a healthy Kevin Durant, healthy Spurs, they're a 50 win team. So if you're the Spurs, why not make this move? They won 34 games with no win, how many games? 34 and 48.

I mean it's like 36 total for the season. What happened in the 50s? It was a playoff run before you got hurt. They would have won 40. I'm sorry, just imagine if you played half of them 36, they win 40 some games last year. If you play half of the 36 games, you're dead. And you only need them in the 65 to 70 game range if we're keeping it a buck. Yeah, they easily win 50 games.

They win 40 some games last year. If you play half of the 36 games, you win. You only need them in the 65 to 70 game range if we're keeping it a buck. Yeah, they easily win 50 games, 50 plus if we're keeping it a buck. I say the next two years with them three, they can make a run. They can. That's tough. Why do you only want to go to the Spurs though? Because that's where they're at. Going east is easier to make it to the finals, but Wimby changes the dynamic of landscaping

because he's a freak of nature. If Phoenix is going to want what they want, Phoenix is not taking, they're not going to just take anything. They're not taking that bullshit over. It's a freak of nature. It's like when LeBron was younger, he goes somewhere, it kind of just changes the outcome. That's Wimby right now. Defensively, he's a jargonite. Once he gets into his offense, then it's over.

Once he understands, like, you know what, if I just stand under this rim and y'all just throw that shit up there, like, goddamn near goaltend every goddamn pass y'all make, this shit might be too easy. And just turn around jumpers, man. Like get in the little muff, get some little strength in there where you can hold it, just a little bit. It's a little strength Just a little bit hold the ground just a little bit Jumping jump up there's certain little simple shit He averaging motherfucking 28 29. You need to come positive though. So I don't know somebody to save him No, no, no, no another big. Oh another bowl. Need another bit. No, don't say it can't be like him

Another big on another bowl bowl need another beat. No, don't say it can't be like him Two of them out there Yeah, two of them out there screw my bobo the way they play defense. Yes. Yes He plays on and Kevin Durant and Kevin Durant. Oh one two, two, three. My God. Three, four, five. Good luck. Three, four, five. Good luck at the rim. Three, four, five. That'd be the tallest backcourt in NBA.

Castle at the two. Castle at the two. De'Aaron Paz at the one. The longest, yeah. I'm bringing Bobo in right away. They might have to get off him. He's good. But they still do.

I say all of them. The still is good. I like the count. Because Johnson is the first one. Johnson is the first one. He's the. But still too. I said all of them. He's good. But still too. I like the time. Because Johnson was there when he was the first one.

Johnson was the first one. He took the foot off the gas. Bobo said to become a free agent this summer. Hell no. Man, Spurs get to Bobo, get that engine going. So, let's talk a little more KD. KD turns 37 in September, still playing at an all-NBA record. Average 27 to game this season. How many good years does KD have left in September, still playing at an all NBA record. Average 27 in the game this season.

How many good years does KD have left in the tank? If you're looking at it from a franchise perspective. The way he plays? Depends on what you want him to be at. Four years, fuck me. Yeah, what do you say good years? Like 15, a game good? Not good enough.

I'm saying at the level he's playing now. He's actually 27 now, right? So what is, so what would we consider like, all right, KD need to retire. Like what would that number be? Right, like what would that fucking number be? So I feel like he's still got at least three good high level years.

But this media is 25. Yes. If he's at 25, he gotta retire. He washed, he washed at 25, right? That's what somebody's gonna say. As long as he healthy, he not gonna have no bad years cause he can shoot and he efficient. And he's 6'10".

That don't go nowhere. If he gives you 20 a game, I mean, he still, you just get slower. And he can spot a shoot. If he gets slow, he can spot a shoot. Yeah, then you just, then you're back up five. Yep. Yep.

Stretch five. A stretch five in four years. Big and perfect. Right? Damn. It all depends. It all depends. If he's with Wimby, Wimby, kicks in his life.

Because bad as some of these defenders on NBA right now, like there's no separation that a 42 year old Kevin Durant, like 41 Kevin year old, like if he wants to play at 40, 41, 40, like the way the defensive lack thereof. He love them. What I'm saying is you got Wimby back there. Like where the defensive lack thereof

I'm saying is you got you got when me back there like when you have when be back there To cover all he covers all mistakes, so you don't have to be ex-underfendant I got him back there So, you know him playing the four to back up five whatever you got you got help real good So Katie's ever 25 points per game every season since 2008 09 since you came into since you got you got help real good help. So Katie's averaged 25 points per game every season since 2008-09 Since you came in since you got drafted. Yeah, okay. That's what you just said So So you know second year, excuse me. Thank you. Thank you. 20 tricky But after that you're gonna be unrealistic and say if he averages 20 winning every time

No, not at all What I'm telling you is that he's been on that trajectory in that street So I look hadn't looked like his tailed off That average them number 25 26 27 and you look at them when they 37 38 and that's my point I fucker average in seven seven. So I 37 I don't look at Katie No, this group is allowed to get 710 and average that now no, yeah, they lose legacy Yeah No. Yeah. They lose legacy. Yeah. If they get to be the normal old dude that retires like everybody else, they're losing their legacy spot now. Yeah. You got to walk away at the top.

Yeah. Like you got to walk away when you like when you have to. Unfortunately, there's never no one's did it. I like to do like Vince. He fell off this. But he did it gracefully though. He did it gracefully though. He gracefully fell off?

Because they stopped playing him. That shit look like it hurt. No, no, no, no, no, that shit look like it hurt. Yeah. Listen, no, Vince last two years, that shit look like it hurt. And when he would dunk the bench will cheer. Yeah, but he wasn't having to play heavy minutes

is what I'm saying. He couldn't. He physically could not play big minutes the last few years. That sheltered it to where it didn't look crazy. If he would have been having to play 25 minutes, it would look crazy. It looked crazy. No, it looked bad.

So my point being, KD averaged 25 every season since his second year. It's fair to assume even at 37, he's still going to be able to play for a high level if you're the Spurs and give you at least three to four more. He doesn't have to do as much. He doesn't have to carry the load. So my point is, if I'm the Spurs, I make that move instead of trying to look at a draft pick that may not pan out in three to four years. Yeah, KD wanna win.

Man, about that for KD, bruh. Yeah, he wanna win. It's not. If he was about that, he'd set the goal state. Man, KD wanna hoop. Not him, it's different. Go listen to his words. That's what other people worry about.

That man wanna motherfuckin' put that ball through the basket, man. He can do that anyway. If it come with a championship, he is fucking great with you. You're not getting traded all these places just to hoop. Why not? Kade, he want to win. He can hoop anywhere.

He going to hoop regardless. He can stay in Phoenix and hoop and just get they ass with him. Didn't he just say what he just said? He get traded all these places. He can stay in Phoenix. He traded all these. He get traded to win. You don't get traded to fucking just go hoop.

You want to win. You don't get traded just- He want to hoop. Winner comes win. Winner to win. You don't get traded to fucking just go hoop. You want to win. You don't get traded. He want a hoop.

I'm just going to go over here just to hoop. I mean, I don't think he went to the Nets because he just wanted to hoop. He wanted to win, right? There were some circumstances that didn't allow that. How long ago was the Nets? Yes, he want a hoop, bro. He said it a long time ago.

But KJJ Suns was that same idea, right? He just said it most recently. We're going off of his words. Yes, not mine. What did he say? He said, I don't want to win, I just want to hoop. No, it's just about basketball. I just want him to play basketball. I love basketball. If winning comes with it, great.

He don't want to be judged on not winning championships and shit like that. The man said it. He cares about the process. The process of working out every day. Yeah, all of that. And that's basketball. And that's basketball. And that's basketball.

And that's basketball. And that's basketball. And that's basketball. And that's basketball. And that's basketball. And shit like that. The man said it. So I'm not there. Words in his mouth. He cares about the process. The process of working out every day. Yeah, all of that. That's basketball. Being in shape.

Like that's his life. His life is basketball. And if a championship comes at the end of that, fucking great. But he doesn't do all that to not win. Not at all. I'm not saying. You don't work out three times a day. I'm not saying that.

But if a championship comes with it, great. But I'm doing everything I possibly can to get there, but that's been loved with basketball. You guys are saying, I'm not saying this. You guys are saying if I win it's cool, I just wanna hoop. That's what you're saying. The problem is you guys are using- Not me guys, I'm just me guys. What are you talking about? You're labeling him by his... How am I labeling someone?

He's being labeled by winning, not his process. His process is, you can give me all the winners you want, they don't work out harder than me, they don't train more than me, they don't watch more film than me, they don't put their soul in this game That's all I care about putting my soul in this game I'm not here to say who's a winner who's a knock for my soul to work out and train and give my life to this

Game and if I win his roof, I lose it's cool Nobody say if you lose this cool figure out but he's not gonna be it ain't gonna be the end all be all for him I'm doing my part to win. Yeah, I can cool. I'm just trying to figure out. But it's not going to be, it ain't going to be the end all to be all for him. I'm doing my part to win. I can see that. I can see that. I'm doing my, so people not going to get it. Like you're not going to. Did he look like a loser when you was with him? No, but I, no, no.

Alright. He looked like a winner. Steph looked like a winner too. Okay. They looked like a winner. Okay. They looked like a winner. And that's why they won the championship.

Shout out to you. You named three more winners with him during the process while you were the way all the shit that he did if y'all don't win it at the end of the year, right? You know, it's not the end. I'll be off him. Okay. No, there's another year to go play working There's another opportunity because there's another opportunity next year for me to put this same work in to give a fuck again But if I don't win it again, I'm not gonna let the public Judge my work ethic and what I put into this.

I just tell them I like to hoop, play basketball. That's what it is for them. That's what I tell the people. That's not what you do. I just like to hoop. Don't y'all all like to hoop? Don't judge me on winning. Don't judge me on winning, I just want to hoop.

The first part of it is the love of the game, right? Yes, absolutely. That means if you take the money away. If you love the game, you want to win. If you take the money away, he'll still do the same thing as hard with no money. And don't care about winning. You think if he really wanted to win he would have left Stephanie?

I mean if that was his main plan. He wanted to win the showdown for sure. Wanted to show him but you got more, a bird in the hand is more than two in the bush so trust me. Where he was, they was winning. He were where he was They was winning Did your team at 24 play hard? You can't see me. That's never luck. Come see me there.

Damn. The challenge has been issued. Damn. I don't play basketball. Damn. Look this way. Damn. I don't play basketball.

I do. The fuck areer you see you at what come see me I don't play basketball Me I'm good on it that's that's in the past. I don't play basketball my roof is on fire I don't live I don't live through that on my roof down. I don't live So there's four you tell people that therefore, you challenge people that play. You challenge people that play. We do have a guest pass for you, Norris. I got a competitive spirit.

Can you do this shit? What they got to do with anything? That's competitive. What he doing? No, it's not. Okay. You have not at all. Y'all motherfuckers, you have no idea who I am. Trust me.

That's why your shirt says, Jesus loves you. You don't understand my... Listen, there's no way... Listen, my competitive... Listen, dawg, you don't want me to be competitive. I've seen it, motherfucker. No, no, you do not. You don't want me to be competitive.

You fucking... Trust me. I've seen you go out and play, go out and practice. No, no, no. No, you don't want... Yeah, so you saw me when I was competitive, right? Thank you, dawg. So I ain't like, I can see you motherfucker. So you was on the team, you don't want you saw me when I was So therefore you I ain't nowhere near that

It's okay. I know we're near that no, no, it ain't. Oh, it's not for me See, that's for y'all. Like y'all see y'all can do that shit because when I turn it on people can't handle it No, I'm just saying. You seen it? Nick, the head coach turned it on. When we were teammates, he turned it on. I was chilling. I was chilling. He turned it on and what happened? Vinny the Black?

What happened? What happened? Should have quit practice after that. Because they best player having a hard time in this motherfucker, man. Yo, real shit. You don't want me to turn, I know, I didn't turn it off, bro. All the way. Man, you had a great career, OG.

I ain't got to tell me, I know I played 15 years, nigga. Listen, I appreciate the glove, but I ain't nowhere near it, bro. Is there a game of dominoes or another sport that you guys can partake in? You want to do that? Let's do that. We can do it. Speaking of dominoes. Dominoes, cars, taunt, we can do it. Spades. Speaking of dominoes, Jay Z?

We said y'all played the 500 though. 500? God damn. It was 480 to 175. He didn't even, I don't know when he was at 150, but it was 480 to 175. He didn't even, I don't know when he was at 150, but it was 480 to 175. He said, if we were to play to 150, I would beat you. Like nigga, you ain't at 150 right now. Yeah.

And I got 400. That's too long. Yeah, that's too long. 500? 250 to move. No, 150 is forever. 200 the first game. 150, that's 150 amateur.

150 is the best. That means you can get out to a good start, and you good, nah. Well, you can't let him. Well, I'm far from an amateur and I played 150, um Gil. Yeah I'm about to say, yeah. I'm far from an amateur and I played 150. See that 500 shit is not, what you saying, that's phase game.

That's like big six, you throw out big six, you throw out six three, I do something, you get 10, that's 25 off the jump. That's not even skill work right there, that's just the place of the dominoes. Who's saying the five? That's just the place of the dominoes. That's just the place to the dominoes. That little jerry hand at the hand. Hand at the hand. Nah, hand at the hand. That greatness comes in. So see y'all play that seven and pull y'all play head up.

Y'all wanna pull. Nah, I play nine, no draw. I play whatever. Nine, no draw. Barnyard don't help you. Whatever you pull, you pull, you play with. Five doubles, six doubles, seven doubles. Ain't no throwing no hands in. Ainyard don't help you. Whatever you pull, you pull, you play with. I've been playing since I was little. Five doubles, six doubles, seven doubles. Ain't no throwing no hands in.

Ain't none of that shit. See that's what people used to say like that. All that help. I got four doubles, throw it in. Now, if your hands touch nine of them, motherfucker, you playing with all nine of them. I'm into it. Ain't no throwing shit in. We playing 10 to get in.

200 first game, 150. I need to have a Gills Domino event. I'm KD at Domino. It ain't not one person that I didn't sit in front of at that Domino table. I just like to play. You have to have a Domino event. I'm in the Domino event. I'm in the Domino event.

I'm in the Domino event. I'm in the Domino event. I'm in the Domino event. I'm in the Domino event. I'm in the Domino event. I'm in the. I need to have a Gills Domino event. I'm KD of Domino's. It ain't not one person that I didn't set in front of at that Domino's table. I just like to play. You're having a winning record against me.

I can take that shit. Oh, well Gil, hey. That is a promise. He said he passed out all eggs. Listen, we can pitch coins. I'm competitive now. We can gamble pitching coins. We can play dice, dominoes, cards.

We can do it all. Yeah. I didn't play as a rookie, so that's all I had toes, cards, we can do it all. Yeah. I didn't play as a rookie, so that's all I had to play with my dad. Trust me. Online. I didn't get a rookie. I grew up watching, playing spades and dominoes.

I got the table at the crib. I'm gonna go. And I got a wood, I got a folding wood domino table that's specifically made for dominoes at my house. So, yeah, folding wood, when everybody's got the, I got a wood one specifically for that crap every house I've been in wood table we ain't playing no placard I need to hear there's certain action going on Jack hey don't count me out y'all been counting me out everything else

can't get the paintball I get the't get the bowl. Don't do that man. We trying to live. You know damn well we point a gun at you, we didn't. We in the hospital. I like paintball. I know, I know you got the gun. You don't want me to get my competitors clear going. That's fun. Kill them over. That's fun.

Ice them hoes. Yo, that's fun. Like playing basketball ain't fun no more. Oh, it's not. That shit hurt. Okay. Hey, playing basketball hurt. Right?

That shit did not. My time out fucked up. Hey, see, I didn't put this body through hell. I didn't have a surgery on both ankles. I still bust cold ass though. Both knees, wrists. I still bust cold ass. No, you will not.

Who? Don't stand a chance. You got a guess. My money on Norris. What do I got? Don't stand a chance, wrists. I still buffed Cole. No, you will not. Who? Don't stand a chance. My money on Norris. What do I got? Don't stand a chance, Nick. You're too little. My money on Norris. I'm too little gas.

I'm flying right by you. Too little. Hit Gant with a couple. You can't go by him, Nick. Too little. He can't pose me up. Don't say that. Just say you'll play defense as well.

Don't say that. I got a thousand on Norris. That's not good. I got a thousand worse that's not good He wasn't after quick full-time crawl I want to say it yesterday. He was like, I need to quit. No, you tried to quit four times.

The producer was like, no. The Marine didn't know. He could grab my shit and say, get your ass back. Hold on. One thing I saw. Hey, I watched that battle mode shit. One thing you cannot do. Motherfucker, move lateral. Yeah, crazy. Oh

Move lateral you can move lateral right now crazy I'm gonna tell me to you think you're playing against niggas. I could go out there motherfucking after double double Motherfucking 15 years. Yeah So I ain't played basketball in the motherfuckin' 15 years. Yeah. So, I can dunk on that nigga? Yeah, throw it up. I still got your hook, man. He can still dunk? Yes.

You can put ease to him? That's crazy. Huh? With ease, multiple in a row. A monkey dunk is your hook? Yes, feel. Can you dunk? I can dunk in a 32, brother.

You can dunk? I can touch the backboard. I probably could tap. I know you can't dunk. You get that? I couldn't touch the backboard. I probably could have tap. I know you can't dunk back in the day. I can still dunk. Yeah, I can dunk still. Stop playing, you already done. I can do it with my legs.

Nick, Nick, you do, I am still 6'9", right? No matter where I go, I'm still 6'9". I can still dunk though. Damn. That's dunking. Yeah, yeah, Chad, we killing time because somebody I work on here. Yeah, of course I can go from here. I'll fucking jump this out of the ground motherfucking there. Yeah, that's still

not still play that this is called vamping chat. This is a bit of game. It's called intermission. Yeah, well, somebody get a what's-the-name Mike's up. We got special guests come through the arena, but one more quick question about KD. So you guys said that the Spurs are a playoff team with KD on the Spurs. Are they a championship level team? Just with him? Probably not. We gotta see what else. But why you just can't leave that a playoff team? Let's start there. You have Victor Wimiyama, generational talent. And let's start with the hell. We gotta let him turn into what he's supposed to turn into.

Man. Out there with Shaolin Limb Monks. There's another generational talent that ain't winning. That's my boy. Shaolin Limb Monks, learning the way of the fire web. See, you were saying. I don't know. LeBron Lee, it's this little cut baby.

You see what they're talking about. You fuck with LeBron. I don't care where they go. That's his guy. So we have a Laker. They be considered a championship. I don't care what they could be. No, I'm just saying.

I'm just talking. My Lakers gonna be a championship. Moving onward, we have a special guest making his return to the arena. One of the greatest hoopers to ever come out of Los Angeles. Former third overall pick out of the University of California at Los Angeles who went on to play 13 seasons in the league where he was a two-time All-Star. Now you can catch him doing his podcasting

with Draymond Green. Ladies and gentlemen, Baron Davis has returned to the arena. Woo! He did. He did. What up, OG? Did.

LA names. What's up, big guy? Hey. What's up? What's up, big guy? What's up, BZ? What's up, man? You gotta sub me out, up, big guy? What's up, BZ? You gotta sub me out, man.

You gotta sub you out. Yeah, I gotta go to the ball. Gil got a flight to catch. What's up, Craig? What's up, man? What's up, bro? Gil has a flight to catch. Where you going?

We got an OG in the building. How you doing? We're doing a quick sub out. Beat, Gil out, BD in. Hey, I think I broke my toe going up the stairs, bro. Law suit. Law suit. You know what you can get for a slipper?

That's not a dog. That's not a dog. You know what you can get for a slipper? That's not a dog. That's not a dog. That's not a dog. That's not a dog. Beat, Gile out, BD in. Hey, I think I broke my toe going up the stairs, bro. Lawsuit. You know what you can get for a slip and fall? You can do it like this. BD was going down with you. What's up, big dog?

Appreciate you. Thank you for pulling up to the arena. What's up, man? Got a legend in the building. Don't put me by this dude. Gile has the same effect. Damn. What up kid? What up my dude?

Just one time. Oh man, what's going on? But a lot to get into before we do though, obviously, entrepreneur as well as hooper, you got a lot of business, a lot of things that you do. So can you tell us about this hall of fame you're building out called history of the game? Yeah, man, I'm excited because it's been a project of passion. I think everybody who played in the league got game and everybody should be in the Hall of Fame. I think when you make it to the NBA, that's like the pinnacle. And it's not the ending part of your journey. So History of the Game is really a storytelling museum

where every player get to tell their story. They get to talk to their fans. They get to present their merchandise. And so it was like, how can we all be on one platform where people can go and look up stats for debates, ask the AI. we got AI. So for me, it was just like, how can I include everybody? Because everybody got a dope story.

You may not have had the most story in the NBA career, but you may have had a crazy college career, a crazy high school career, a street ball. And so basketball need a platform, and everybody got a voice, they got a dope story, and so I built this platform so I can just know more about everybody as a fan, you know what I mean, of the game. That's dope. So Michael, so a friend of mine says this quote like, and it's true,

like every NBA player is Michael Jordan in their hometown. Bingo. Right? So no matter where you're from, you are, in your high school, if you make it to the NBA, you are that. Yeah. Some places more than others, like Los Angeles, a lot of you guys, but there's a lot of small towns, small cities around here that that person is Michael Jordan in his hometown.

So to your point, great platform. Yeah, especially like where you from and your story. A lot of people pioneering and like are groundbreaking dudes coming out, you know, coming out they region, coming out of Dallas. You look and say, okay, who came after me? So they give us a chance to also highlight the dudes from our area, the dudes who made it make it, the dudes who probably went to college that you hoot with. But it's just for us to start highlighting people in our culture.

That's a part of our story, but also got dope stories they sell. How many times you see documentaries, like your documentary just came out. It did, memes and nightmares, now it's been on Hulu. But I want to go to one place and watch all that shit knowing that it's coming from basketball knowing it's coming from the people who kind of pioneering culture so that's what I've been working on man. I'm back outside though. What's up my boy? King. Yeah. BD is back outside. So BD obviously your LA basketball world team. One of the greatest players to come out of the city. No. So don't do that.

I ain't gonna say that. I'm chilling, bro. Just let me live. Bro, I'm just looking at here like, you know what? Y'all stupid. That's crazy. So BD, one of the greatest players to come out of Los Angeles, obviously basketball royalty

out here, revered. Whenever I walk to the Crossroads gym, I got to see the big jersey hanging up. We try to give y'all work. We usually fall short. But nonetheless, who's the best hooper to come out of LA that didn't make it to the league in your opinion that you've seen in your time?

I mean, you would have to say, I would say like Kenny Bruner should have made it. Shay Cotton should have made it. Corey Benjamin should have had a much better career. Damn, who else? There's a bunch of dudes, man. Tito Maddix should have had a better career. Yeah, we were talking about Tito on Playback recently. Tito should have...

Evan Barnes, y'all great. He should have been there. Man, there's so many dudes that should have made it. I feel like Ed O'Bannon should have had a better career. Charles O'Bannon should have had a better opportunity, not a better career, but a better opportunity. For so long, LA used to get hated on, until, like I would say, our generation came along.

I heard Corrie Benjamin mention, I believe, got squared off back in the day. Yeah, no, we played in the AAU tournament. When I came out here in high school, we played in Long Beach. And like I said, people thought I came up with the shit. Like, people coming at me, like I started, like LA Hoopers was soft,

no, that's just what we heard. Okay, you said we had backyards. Y'all did, palm trees and shit. Not big. And y'all won a gang bang. Y'all can't, I remember when y'all came out here. But it wasn't like, but dudes could really good at basketball. So to his point, I'm pretty sure there are dudes that there,

that hoop that, like every fucking place that you've been, some guys that's like that, right? Trust me, around my way, to your point you just made, I was just tall, man, I play all, there was some dudes that I was like, yo, how the hell he ain't in somebody's college right now. Or why he ain't in the league. I'm like, so trust me, it's all of that going on, man. But you look at these dudes, man,

and you, when you able to dissect the things that maybe went left, right? You able to look at it and be like, yeah. So for me, mine was most of the dudes that's around the way ain't got grades, right? You grew up in the city, grades ain't important, SAT, ACT was a real thing. So a lot of dudes had to go to junior college

where I'm from. So, and it was going to junior college with then driving business to Dallas. My thing was, and whether it was going to junior college with them driving distance to Dallas. Mm-hmm my thing was And I they were there was a semester or a full school year. The boost was always back and they never left Yeah Well, they come on their drive home for a weekend and never go back shit like that. So my thing was I Know I got my grades but whatever I got to do to get the fuck out of Dallas I got to do that I got because this is what I've seen right I can't be in driving distance to Dallas. Mm-hmm

I knew that so two weeks after I graduated I was on the plane. I was in Cincinnati Bingo, so you know, so it's so you learn from the people that came before you that was more talented than you were What opportunities might have missed them? No, you learn from that shit man, but but nah, that's dope platform, man. That's dope ideas, but. Y'all motherfuckers can hoop out here. Ain't never took nothing away from you. Yeah, y'all know from this kid. I need to be in part two. I need to be in part two, too.

Of what? Your show. Oh, the show, come on, man. I'm waiting for you. I already wrote. Man. I wrote your episode, you know, this dude. WTF Band, dude.

Yeah, he blessed me on the WTF. He had one of the highest performing episodes. He's a real actor. He's a goddamn clown. His environment. His fucking... Can we get the arena on the show? Can we get the whole arena?

Let's do an arena episode. We would. I need my sag right there, unfortunately. So you talk about building the history of the game. Are you gonna charge him the daily rate? Nah, that's it. Yeah, that's it. I need my sag right there, unfortunately. Come on, let's get cracking. So you talk about building the history of the game. Are you gonna charge him the daily rate? Damn, damn, Joe. I'm union.

I can't get booted. I can't get booted. I'm union. I'm union. He gonna build it, bro. He gonna build it. He gonna build it. He gonna build it.

I don't believe you. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Shit, Joe got got nominations and everything. But you talk about the history of the game platform that you're building, obviously saluting the game, saluting all the players that came through the NBA. We talk a lot nowadays about player legacies.

But how much are players concerned about their legacy and how much should they be? I think you always, I mean, your legacy gonna live as long as you live, and whatever imprint you put on people, that's kinda like how it's gonna get carried. I think, you know, your legacy is important, but it's also like the circumstances. Not everybody's gonna get the blessing to shoot the ball, or come in and be an asshole.

You know, it's like, damn, this dude get to be an asshole and I don't, right? It's, you know, it's so much shit that's weighed into it. But I think it's going back to what Kmart is saying is like, you already the Michael Jordan in your neighborhood. You already are the Michael Jordan in your city or your family. So I think it is important, especially like, you know,

we living in a stat era. And so stats and where you gonna rank all that shit. You know, the way I'm looking at points now is just making me think like, but what kind of game did they have? Right. So I think that's a big part of your legacy. When, especially thinking about history of the game is what's your style? What's your story? What's your journey? Right?

That people can identify and be like, oh, shit, Norris Cole, I already know how you get down. Now I want to learn your story. And so I think this generation, they out there hooping, but they also like, they play team ball. Real good team ball, real good team basketball, but a lot of these dudes need to start thinking about how to carve out a nickname or a personality, even in the smaller roles that they had. Because that's kind of like how we had to come up. We had to make a name for who you were so you can even get on the court. You can even get, you know, you can even get signed. So I think these dudes need to do it.

You don't think they should master, work on mastering their craft first before they learn about their legacy? Like, I think worry about the game first and And then the game organically, some certain things that happen. Obviously, you got off the court stuff you can do, like social media. But as far as in the context of sport, like worry about your game first.

And you worry about your game, the legacy part of Take Care of Itself. Yeah. Because that's, like you said, I didn't have the success you had. But like where I'm from, the journey that I had, people saw me from being like a regular average dude to being like a star, and they appreciated that.

And I never thought about what my legacy was going to be. All I was doing was getting up every day, lifting weights, running, my weight vest, shooting, and then somehow my game developed and people recognized it. I wasn't trying to make them recognize it. I was just trying to be the best I could be and success happened And I think some guys is trying to they trying to you know be a legend before they put in they work in I believe strongly that people think that legacy has something to do with recognition Say it again. Yeah has something to do with recognition

But it doesn't right legacy rights itself. As I move and walk through this earth, what I do, who I touch, who I experience is a part of my legacy. When I'm done doing what I'm doing, and I can have a memory about it, that's my legacy. Everybody I touch, my family, kids, all that shit. Like you said, if you're focused on

a pre-written message of, this is what I want to be, and you come up short, that's disappointment. If it's right in itself as you go and you know where you want to go, you're going to lead a legacy. The legacy is going to, you're just going to look behind and be like, yo, I left father shit in the... It's okay to be disappointed. If you're trying to reach some shit, it's okay if you don't miss it.

That's the part of your legacy. Your legacy is disappointment. I didn't make it in the NBA. Does that mean that I don't have a legacy? Maybe not an NBA. No, but your legacy is what you make it, right? It's what you make it and it's unfortunate that we just keep going back to the media space is great, but it's unfortunate that the younger generation sees Only success. Yeah, right. Yeah Everything is about a double click alike or view or manipulate stats So they manipulate numbers and view whatever it is to make it seem like okay this person is successful or this is right now so So they don't like this, the Norris is pointing like dating, right?

How many people from dating before you made it to the NBA that you could touch that you knew directly? I had my teammate, Dayquan Cook. Yeah, that was right before you? He was one and done though. I wasn't one and done. That was the first person I saw. That you seen, right?

But he's your peer. He's your peer. Yeah, that I saw. But before you there was. It was something, right? But I'm from that guy drafted. He's your peer. Yeah, that I saw. But before you, there was. It was something back then. But not directly that you could touch. None that I could touch and see. So him is just the journey, right?

And he don't know where it's gonna end up, right? For a lot of dudes nowadays, and there's some dudes that we admire, like I'm going to the NBA, right? This is, I wasn't one of them, nor was I one of them. I'm pretty sure the NBA was the end goal for you because y'all grew up around certain environments and certain things and certain people, so it was tangible.

It ain't that way for a lot of dudes or a lot of people, but prior, nowadays it's right in your face. Everything is right in your face, so everybody think it's fucking tangible, right? And then when you don't get it to your point, Nick, the disappointment comes in and they don't know how to deal with it because everything has you been posting and everybody been liking it and fucking viewing it. And you think that's to your point, the view, they think that is their legacy and success, right? But it's not. And I say this about the failure part.

I will be the testimony and the example of what a failure is and what it looks like and how you redemption, the redemption story of that, how the comeback story for that, how the perception of that looks. My mom and my daddy would, they cussing right now because my daddy like, you ain't never been no fucking failed. But I failed the mission, had a mission,

failed the mission, but I'm the mission. I had a mission. I failed the mission. But I'm not going to say I'm a failure. But the perception that's pushed out based on the success I'm having with the show is that I'm still a failure because I can't be accepted as a success. This is success. Being with y'all. Y'all to me were success stories. You played longer than me. You did more than me. I look up to y'all success stories, but when people look at me they're like, you're not supposed to be there. You ain't do enough.

But I tell them, but I tell them, but we still have a story. But we still have a story. But we still have a story. Yeah. That is never happening. I'm not in their company. You won the national championship.

We all have stories though. We all have stories though. We all have stories. Your redemption story is crazy. Everybody that are watching. But we talk about the perception. The perception of how everybody looks. They don't want to hear that story because it's not popular. New kids don't want to be like, you ain't me.

Oh, it's cold. Who is you? You ain't him. Speaking of somebody who never made the league, I got a profound amount of respect for all you gentlemen, everything that you accomplish. And I think at the end of the day, it's really how other Hoopers feel about each other and the respect that you guys give for them. But let's keep this thing moving because we do got NBA finals to talk about. We got BD on the couch.

Very curious to get your perspective on how this finals has panned out. So in game four, Thunder bounced back from a ten point second half deficit. SGA scoring fifteen of their last sixteen points to get the win and even the series. MVP finished with thirty five points. OKC went on a twelve one run to end the fourth quarter improving to six and oh in games following a loss in this playoffs. Heading into game five the Pacers also hadn't lost back to back games this postseason. Pulled up to OKC looking to keep that streak going going but the Thunder's dynamic duo had other plans as Jalen

Williams joined some elite company with scoring explosion to lift OKC to their first lead in this final series. Let's take a look at the highlights if we can please pile up. So both offenses got right to it on this one with the Thunder throwing the first punch going on an 11-0 run to take a 10-point lead OKC scored 16 of their first 22 points in the paint. Thunder went 3 for 16 from deep in game 4 but were 4 of 6 from 3 in the first quarter alone of this game. The Thunder defense was locked in as well forcing 7 turnovers in the first frame. Kason Wallace doing his thing as well

Scary moment for the Pacers Halle headed to the locker room and had a wrap around His leg when he came back to the floor while dealing with right calf tightness How do you win schoolers in the first half did not make a field goal in the game? For the first time in his postseason career at four point seven about six assists in 34 minutes of action Aaron Wiggins and Kason Wallace each hit three threes in the first half of the Thunder. They combined for 25 points off the bench, 7-4-11 from beyond the arc. Jalen Williams and SGA kept OKC in control through the first two quarters. J-Dub had 16, MVP added 13, and the Thunder took a 14-point lead.

Into the break, Pacers came out swinging in the third quarter. TJ McConnell, OB Toppin doing their part to keep them within reach. McConnell scored 13 of his 18 points in the third frame going six of seven from the field in that span while Toppin has seven of his 12 points in the quarter. Indiana went on a run midway through the third to cut the lead to single digits but OKC's duo withstood the comeback with S.J. and Jalen Williams combining for 22 of OKC's 28 points in the third quarter. So with the Thunder leading by eight heading into the four quarter, Pacer continued to chip away at the deficit. Pascal Siakam caught fire in the final frame,

scoring 14 of his 28 points, going a perfect five-or-five from the field in that span. So Siakam hit a big three to cut the Thunder lead to two as the Pacers look to mount another late comeback similar to game one. That's the closest Indiana would get. OKC responded with an 8-2 run to push their lead back to six. They followed that up with another 11-0 run shortly thereafter. Meanwhile the Pacers had turnovers on four straight possessions as the Thunder capitalized to push their lead to 16. So Jaylen Williams led OKC with the playoff career high 40 points.

Along with six rebounds of four assists 14 to 25 from the field three or five from deep 9 for 12 from the line JW the fifth youngest player with a 40 ball in a finals game in NBA history with only Magic Rick Berry Russell Westbrook and Jerry West doing it at a younger age. SGA added 31 points tennis this four blocks in three steals it was his 12th game this post, it will be 30 and five assists. Passing MJ and LeBron for the most in NBA history in a single postseason run. Thunder Force 23 turnovers in the game, scoring 32 points off those Pacers miscues. Giving the Pacers their first back to back losses of this postseason.

Now OKC is a game away from winning their first chip in franchise history. So looking at this game, what are your biggest takeaways from game five of the NBA finals? OKC taking a 3-1 lead in this series. Final thing? OKC look like they wanted it. They defending, they pushing the tempo with the way they need it. They look good. OKC look good. They pushing the tempo with the way they need it. They look good, man. OKC look good.

Jaylen Williams, you know. I think they learned their lesson, right? If you watch this game, it's very similar to game one. They get up to a big lead, then Indiana come back. They snatch that game. They look like they have more of a sense of urgency. I think SGA not getting enough credit on the defensive end in this series. He was dominant the full game.

We know he can get to the bucket. I'm watching the game like damn, special dudes can get to the front of the rim. Tony Parker was another one, Russ, James, people like that. But man, the way this dude get to the front of the rim, he was just getting downhill as he picked and choose. And then, role players play better at home. So when they had that pressure on, I was saying the first half and everybody was playing well,

they didn't panic when Indiana made their run. SGA, J-Dub, they took over, and they just started weighing them down and started making plays. And then you see Halliburton on the other side of it, like damn near like three times in a row, he got caught in the middle, turned the ball over, and then that was, you know, how they kind of ran away from it.

I like OKC. If they cut it to two at the end of the third, correct? No, they cut it to two in the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter, like seven minutes. ThatC. They cut it to two at the end of the third, correct? No, they cut it to two in the fourth quarter. That was the only time they cut it to two. Yeah, they got it within like six, I believe, in the third quarter, cut it to two. See, I can have a word with them. It was a bad turnover. Yeah, like four of them.

Yeah, four of them. Before I threw that bitch out of bounds, man, it was at the end of the quarter, I think. They were down short. Yeah, nah, but it's... They're establishing themselves as one of the top duos. They look like they could be. Yeah. I would love to see Tatum and Brown be healthy to go against these two now, because they ready now.

Yeah. This could hold up. They could be a legendary duo if they keep this up. And we talked yesterday about them getting the comparisons to Scottie and MJ just in terms of being a new age version. Like y'all said, not so fast, but if they do go on to win a championship this year based on what they've been able to put together.

That's a good take. 84. I mean, it's a good look. Potentially. It's a good look like a new age. We're not saying he Mike or he's Scotty, but just like kind of how they dominating at the two and the three position and really creating all the shots for their team. And they complement each other well

Yeah, they don't know what way y'all watch the game last night. Yeah So tell me how Indiana look offensively When slow when what did you see when when? TJ McConaughey or when Halliburton's in the game. Oh Or when Halliburton's in the game. Oh, just no it's Get out they couldn't get out and play with the pace that they usually but then they make this they start ball You move half court and everything was like a pick and roll in the shot It wasn't extra passing getting in if the floor was condensed for Indiana. They kept shrinking the floor I'll tell you what I know

What I noticed I noticed. Go ahead. I'll tell you what I noticed. I noticed that OKC made the adjustment. Rick thought he could still keep his foot on the throw and keep the same strategy that he has. Which is push up, play high. What was the adjustment for OKC? We're going to play high too. We're going to go back door. What did we do? We took our foot off the gas on the full court press door We're just gonna let you tire him out. Mm-hmm, cuz the rest of these dudes

They not like that Now what I see is the offense for Indiana pass pass pass pass pass pass no pass no drive No, nothing Halliburton gets in. That's what I'm saying. He finally gets in the paint, right? And then he's nowhere to go. The reason why is because they play five out. Yep. Right? You got no post presence.

Now, I think they want to go to the Dallas shit where Siakam gets it at the free throw line. They try to do it. But he wants to pass the ball. He don't want to score it. And who's guarding him? Jalen Williams has taken the challenge. I think none of y'all can fuck with me.

So I'm going to show y'all. Because the second line of defense is who? Siaka? Nah. I'll get past you, boom. Who's going to take the challenge for the Pacers? Nope. Matherin?

He off the bench. He ain't got the... But, you know, they've been winning, to your point, they've been winning with pressure, with moving the ball. Adjust. With being aggressive. I think what they didn't have is they didn't have the driving legs. Right, so nobody was getting down heeled. Nemhart wasn't getting to his elbow shot. What do we have to do as a team?

We have to adjust. We have to adjust. We have to now change the offense from Miles Turner doing all this dribble handoff shit. This all we know. That's playoffs. You got to start. You got to stick with your stuff.

There's so much ball pressure from everybody. The niggas starting their offense damn near half court. They're taking that away. We have to change up. You gotta get downhill. Can't you have no pressure. So now, we don't have no alternative, we don't have no counter for this shit.

We just gonna keep running our shit. What can you do when you're getting pressured though? What can you do when they pressuring you like that? You gotta go down here. What's the other alternative? Go down here. That shit. Who gonna do that?

You gotta bring everybody full flat. Who gonna do that though? I mean, that's how I say Tyron drop the ball. That's what I'm saying. Who on they team can do that? Yeah What full flat okay? The ball that's not All downhill just bring it to me No, you just gotta get in the lane we just got to get to the paint pressure both right? For real. But OKC is doing to Indiana what Indiana did to New York with Jalen Bronson. Make them set pick and rolls. All the way up by half court. Right? Make them spread the floor so

they can get the space that they need to get the driving angles. But then you see in Indiana they just taking a lot of jumpers. You're not able to get down. It's hard to get downhill all the way out from half court with a pick and roll. People can't recover that way. See the adjustment. OKC. Harkinstein, we're going to pull you out. We're going to play five out with Chet in the corner. Guess who our only defender is with Indiana? Guess who he got to guard? He ain't at the rim no more. We're driving all night. And you know who knows that?

The MVP. Hey guys, check, stay there. He got to figure out what he want to do. And we know he don't want to leave you. The players don't got nobody that can manipulate the defense like that. None of that. And that's why they gonna lose the series. They not making adjustments.

This is a coaching game now. This is not a player. they gonna lose the series. They not making adjustments. This is a coaching game now This is it's not a player Y'all know what it is like you down for the fight you going home I think the Pacers go they got the gusto you feel me So gil's watching the show. He just facetimed me Gil wants to know shot question You did you say we as if you were talking about you being a fan of okay seat now So he ran he ran to ask a FaceTime question. He's outside somewhere.

He's saying, you talked about, I feel like Shohei's interpreter, but he's saying yesterday y'all felt like you need to adjust. Now you're saying they need to adjust. I think Gil's with you. And Gillie's. Gil, are you outside? Where are you at? I think you're at the airport.

Where are you at? At the Claire the airport? Where are you at? He declared for it. He literally outside. Alright. He gonna miss that flight regardless. Hold on Gil, I'm putting you on speaker. Hold on one second. He's gonna miss his flight. For sure. I'm putting you on speaker. Hold on one second. Alright Gil, I got you on speaker phone.

I think the question was yesterday, if you're Indiana, what would you do to adjust? And I think the question was yesterday if you're Indiana, what would you do to adjust? And I think me and Kenyon pointed out that how they start off the first quarter and they need TJ to come in and save them. And I think Rashad and Nick said we don't need to adjust. That's the way we want to play our game get down and come back we was talking about the benchmiles he didn't say nothing about CJ

he said when he leave people want to talk regular they not yeah y'all he said corner board he said corner board we're saying the second unit. Let the second unit come in and do their job. But she like down, it's a problem though.

That's what they said yesterday. First of all, we never said that. First of all, when niggas is losing in conversation, it's makeup shit. It's on film. We literally like bro, we like this second bitch mop because we can bring us back if we down got it This is what we do. We come in and stabilize if y'all we don't say we're not saying we hope we down so we can come up What the fuck? If the big guy died here, I was saying that. That was outside of McConnell, right?

If you take what McConnell did, and then you take what OKC Bench did, right? Then it's like, who won the battle of the bench? And that's also been the picture until, right? So I propose the question, right? If you Rick Carlisle, do you start your best five? Then what is that? That's howle, do you start your best five? That what is that? That's how I start.

Who's your best five? With Toppin or Matheran in the starting lineup. Right? Over who? No, you can. Miles Turner. No, I'm just saying who. But you play different.

You playing Siakam at the three? I'm playing Siakam at the three. Right? You playing who? Matheran at the two, Halliburton. Matheran. No, no, no, no. No, I'm taking Nemard out the line.

He's saying Matheran at the two. Damn. I'm putting Matheran because Nemard is what he do anyway. I'm not them hard out the line. He's saying math and at the Because never do anyway Is more talented than him are more after and was starting he was starting first we got he got hurt you started Yeah, no The bitch Yeah, no, that's it. I like him off the bits. Matt, six, four, he guard, he ain't no little point guard. They play at two point guard. I'll pose the question.

So that's how we got to the conversation about making adjustments. Pascal, Obie. Yeah, Miles Turner in the front court. So you're going big. You wanna- Hollenberg. You wanna play big.

You wanna play big. To match OKC, I'm saying that that was my thought process because making adjustments at this point, it's game five, right? Yeah, it makes sense I gotta do something different. We just lost the game. We lost two games yet Here's where Indiana fuck teams up when teams go small and Indiana go smaller They're always the bigger smaller team. So you play it to the hands except

Except this thing But yeah, but they want they they beat them twice like into the hands except this thing. Because you can play Brandon Williams at the four, Chet at the five, and then you still a small team. But they beat them twice like that. Yeah. Right? It was OKC who needs to figure out how do I get Harkinstein and set and flow on the court, off the court,

so I'm not getting hurt. Take Harkinstein off. Because Indiana, bigger lineup, you think if Pascal at the five, Obi Toppin at the four, Obi Toppin shoot the three out the corner, and he crashed. So whoever at the four ain't crashing. That's like a Russo. That's like, they ain't crashing the glass like that.

So I agree with your point is what I'm saying, because Indiana's best, their best weapon is to always try to make OKC play bigger and then go small. But OKC play fast. That's the difference. Indiana play fast too. But they can't play that big lineup because they ain't fast enough. Indiana is fast enough. Not with that lineup. because they ain't fast enough. To Norris, to Norris made a point yesterday and he's stated that if the Indiana Pacers don't score 110 points they can't win. That's that that's a score 109. Yeah, they score one.

So they may be in some serious trouble heading into game six. Like we talked about Tyrese Halliburton had his worst game of the series while playing through right calf tightness going without a field goal first time in his playoff career. So after the game Halley had this to say about his injury and status for game six. He wasn't supposed to say nothing. I missed NBA finals. It's the finals, man. I've worked my whole life to be here, and I want to be out there to compete.

You know, help my teammates any way I can. You know, I was not great tonight by any means, but, you know, it's not really a thought of mine to not play here you know if I if I can you know walk then then I want to play so you know they understand that and you know is what it is and you know gotta be ready to go for game six. If I can walk I would want to play after Halle's oppressor he was limping as he left the arena so's reported today from Shams. Holly has a strained right calf We'll get an MRI today to determine the severity of the injury He might have that's the work like yeah, man. You can do you can't push off

You can't explode you can't slide on defense. You can't push up Is pushing up to get to the bucket. It might be better. Shaw just said it might be better off if you don't play. I can see coming home, game six. Neem Hart, Badran. You got the energy in the building. You got the energy in the building.

TJ, fuck it. Star TJ. I wouldn't star TJ. Put in one of the other dudes and let TJ stay where he at. Because he gassed out yesterday. Yeah, because he gassed out yesterday. He gassed out. I wouldn't start TJ. Put in one of the other dudes and let TJ stay where he at. Yeah, because he gassed out yesterday. We wonder why he didn't put it back in three minutes, right? Why?

Because he fucking cared. That's fine, but if he cared, he got to be in the game. Put it back in three minutes and go in the game. You can only play your heart out. So many up and downs. You can only play your heart out. You need four or five ups and downs. He told the coach he was tired. You can only play your heart out. So many ups and downs. You need four or five ups and downs.

100%. You can not be on E for four minutes to go. No sir. If you play heart? No. Not what he said. Hey, the state of Indiana. Not if you're trying to.

Hey, boy, why ain't that pig swing? Why ain't that pig swing? The state of Indiana don't give a damn about your big, elastic assessments. It's a real game. Why ain't that pick swing? Hey, I'm here to say again, don't give a damn about your big, your last little assessments. Hey, hey. Have you ever driven on EV4? Have you ever driven on EV4?

Have you ever driven on EV4? NBA finals, damn. NBA finals, dog. He can't get a breather? No. Time out! Time out! Time out, nigga!

Sorry. You're not thinking about none of that. I mean, it's all sincere, man. He wasn't thinking about that either. This is the finals. This is the finals. You're a champion, you gotta get through that. Play through it.

What you want him to do? Play through it. He gotta go through that. What you want him to do? Go for broke. Carried him off the court. I'll advise you this. You know what fatigue is?

When you're doing NBA 2K, and your Gatorade bottle all the way down, how does your motherfucking avatar move? This ain't fucking 2K. Oh, you don't know. No, I don't play 2K. I don't play 2K. I'm fucking real life.

You answer. You call the time out. You answer. You call the time out. You gotta sub him. No. Hell no. You don't keep playing with the dude on the Gatorade low.

You gotta stop your He was on zero Four minutes to go Then you don't deserve to win the chip You're on the desert, bro. Man, he on the desert. No, you know what it was? You tired? You tired? If I come to be like, you ready? Because guess what? Caruso want to make time. You're not thinking about TJ McConnell having to carry your team.

So if he gas, and it's four minutes to go like- We're in trouble. Yeah, you're in trouble. So they may be in trouble anyway. Holly Strainwright-Kaff says he wants wants to play but if you're the Pacers I don't know But If it's a great whatever then you

We play with these strange calves and that turns into a worse situation man Erie though that is Going out there to play on season Here miss his whole next season Season on the line, he going out there to play on four. Season on the line. Depends on how bad it is. He'll miss his whole next season and a half before out there in the cup. This is the severity of the strain, whatever he is. I'll frame it like this.

You're in Halle's position. Obviously you got a chance to win an NBA final. He's down three-two. I'm playing. I'm playing. Yeah, I'm playing too. Everybody don't need it. That's why I shouldn't be up to him though.

Yep. That's why I shouldn't be up to him. It shouldn't be up to him. It sound good. I mean it should, depending on the severity of the story. What great strength. Right. If that man can't move or push off.

I say okay let him do the Willis Reed. We've seen that story. We know that story. We know the basketball guy's gonna favor that story. Come out, hit a three, do something, get him out and then let's ride off that momentum and see if somebody can catch a flame. What if it's the opposite, though? You bring him out, it gets worse. Like I said, it depends on what the-

You'll know the first two minutes anyway. You know, the MRI says first. Because if it's grade level three out there, bitch, there's no way. There ain't no way. Two or three, honestly. Because that's basically a fucking tear, right there if it's three is basically a tear So you know I mean you see how he was moving out there He he was moving like that like the injury was hot, but he couldn't really do that. It's two days in between

Yeah, that was gonna be three. It's gonna be three If you sit Thursday you get to work you get this win on Thursday, you trust your team, then you get to game seven. If he sits Thursday, he gonna be sitting down for the rest of the week. SGA sending him home. SGA sending him home. On the road? Like that.

Indiana tough at home, bro. He is. Indiana tough at home. We saw what he just did on Indiana. We saw what SGA did last time he was in Indiana. If Jaylen get another 40 ball, can he be final MVP? No. Who got cheated though?

No, because I'm telling you, SGA got like four, he getting like four blocks a game, three steals, five steals. Like he doing everything. Jayson Taylor laid in all categories. So let's talk about Jaylen Williams a little bit, because we'll get into discussion of Jalen Williams MVP of this game for the Thunder. And after the game, league MVP Esche was asked how much J-Dub playing at this level makes

things easier for him and had this to say. A lot easier. Not only for myself, but for the rest of the guys. He can shoulder a load. I've said this before, he does so many things. Forrest is a basketball team on both ends of the floor when he's the best version of himself. But yeah, like you said, he was great tonight.

Makes the world of a difference when he's that good for sure. So, J.W. came on strong in these past three games, but his scoring has increased in every single game. In this final, 17 to game 119, in game 226, in game 327, in game 4, 40 ball in game 5, fifth youngest player in NBA history to drop 40 in the NBA finals game. Don't get on me.

Don't hear them call him a sidekick. He is. What did he say? What did he say? Because S.E.A. didn't make history in this final stuff. What did you say? And they called him a what? Sidekick.

Sidekick, right? What, B? You're not feeling that, huh? No. No. What'd you say? And they called him a what? Sidekick. What, B? You're not feeling that, huh? There ain't no sidekicks no more.

Bro, what'd he do? He look like a sidekick? He look like a sidekick? Hell no. I got it. Is he a sideboo with mainboo aspirations? I was literally like, yo. I think in this area, you can have a bunch of... He's giving a different type of game.

You can have an ensemble cast, lead actors. You can have more than one lead actor. I'm trying to tell him what a little of this side shit he is. Side? Say it to him. Because he just as important. He just as important. You think Jalen Weems just as important

as SGA for this Thunder team? Absolutely. Like they need him because, you know, SGA can always get his money. What SGA do? On time. He gonna always do that. What J-Dub do is he powers the four.

He makes the four like a powerful four, a fantastic four, cause he's the linchpin and to compliment what SGA do, standing out on his own, but also being on the other end of the floor, like the centerpiece of a defense. Right? A big part of a defense. So when you look at his responsibility, his responsibility is just as much as SGA. SGA just gotta go kill and do all the MVP shit. He gotta maintain and manage that flow and get his. So he playing like a point guard.

He really playing a point guard. Yeah, but- That's the big suggestion he made. It's okay to say that he ain't the main dude though. It's like, people act like it's an insult. Like, you know what I mean? He ain't the big dog. He ain't the big suggestion he made. It's okay to say that he ain't the main dude though. People act like it's an insult. He ain't the big dog. The reason he's able to do a lot of what he do is because SGA out there.

Yeah. SGA don't matter who out there. SGA, whoever out there is going to do what he do. And that's the difference between the two. So you think he needs SGA to be out there to do that shit he did yesterday? I'm saying, I'm never going to say that. I'm saying that SGA is an MVP type of player.

Yeah you do, yeah you do. No, SGA is an MVP type of player. Jada Williams is not that. Aspen, mid, half-spin, I got shit, I got shit, I can give y'all anytime. And I'm going downhill, I'm going same lane. That's disrespecting SGA when you don't say stuff like that. We're not disrespecting SGA, you're saying that he can't be a big dog. I've never said that.

I just said it's a reason why SGA is SGA and Jaden Williams was able to do what he do is because SGA is out there. Well, he's doing more. He's a big dog. He's doing more early in his career. There's two big dogs in the team. What you want to do? Say he wasn't doing that shit.

Slow down. Slow down. Slow down. Slow down. Please talk to him now. Slow down, slow down. Swag, slow down. Three straight 30 point seasons shooting all day. Please talk to him now, slow down. Shadis 23.

Shadis 26 right now. Slow down. He's 23 right now. Three straight, three straight. How old is Jalen Wink? 24. 24. 24.

Talk to him, slow down swag. That's that USC education. Slow down, McKellen. It don't matter how old you are. Slow down. It don't matter how old you are. And he making finals history he's making finals history. He passed Jordan and Lebron for the most 30 point game shoot.

50% for three full straight games. 35 assists in 12 playoff games. When did Shane become an All-Star? A couple years ago. Three years ago. What was that year? What year was that? Three or four years ago.

What are you on, his fourth or fifth All-Star? Hold on one second. We're pulling it up right now. Man, you can go to history of the game eventually. Okay, we are. Be able to do that. Maybe I had that on my tabs. So he was up first All-Star was 2023. He's made three straight All-Star games.

What year was that? 2023. I know, so it's like, and his career like. How many years is he? Oh, how many years was he in the league at that point? One, two, three. Fifth season. All right. How many how many years is how many years was he in the league at that point? This season Yeah, is that guy don't get it twisted what point I'm still listening Jalen Williams got time to do it. Why y'all wanna put them against each other?

Why y'all wanna put him against each other though? No, I didn't put him against each other. I just said they company each other. I just said he's not SGA. What's wrong with saying that? He's not on the same level as SGA. He's carrying the team right now though. He's doing more. SGA did that his age.

He's not carrying the team. SGA is carrying the team. He's a great support player. SGA right now is playing the role of the leader that has to maneuver while the other guy has to get his. We keyed in on you, SGA. We're taking away all the little shit that you do well. Nobody's taking away from J. Will, but he's not SGA, though. He's not a big dog like SGA.

Not everybody has said that. You did say that. He said he can't be that. You just said he carried the team. He is. He just had 40. He's't be that. All right. You just said he carried. I put words in my mouth. He is. He just had 40. He's just fucking parked.

He just had 40. What they saying is, you can be, he's a one on one too. And what Norris is saying is a big reason why he has the space to be able to do that because you got somebody over here. The MVP out there. That's taking all the attention. Somebody gotta assume all the attention. J. Will said that on the interview after the game. If Jalen Williams not out there, do we double SGA every time?

It don't matter what you do to SGA. He gonna get 30 points on 50% shooting. He gonna get 30 on 50% shooting. I'm just asking. I'm asking him. 30 on 50% shooting regardless of who's on the court, bro. That's what's going to happen. So do we double SGA with no Jalen Williams on the floor? It don't matter what you do.

If he can double somebody, he still going to... All the big dogs get double, hold up, hold up. We acting like getting double team is something new. Every mega star gets double, triple team. What are we talking about? And they still get it done. Hey man, this game plan is 30. The game plan is 30.

Three seasons in a row, let's shoot over 50%. What are we talking about? I'm sure they double teaming it. I'm sure they double teaming it. When you can shoot off the dribble though, it's hard to. If Jalen Williams is not out there, but the team look different, bro. Come on, y'all acting like his space

is not going to be different. No, the team looks team looks very different. Alright so let's give the credit. But he not caring the team though. He ain't caring the team. That's all I'm saying. He's doing his fucking job. There's this distinct difference in the level. He is being who he's supposed to be. He's not caring the team. But you can have two big dogs. You can have two big dogs. Look at the Lakers. They, you know, Bron and Luca. You look at Boston, they got Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Play with Bron and D-Way, they both big dogs. Then you got Derek Wright right there who like, damn near a 1B.

Who carried the Boston Celtics to the championship last year? Jason Tatum? It was a team. Come on, come on, come on, man. Jason Tatum? I get it, y'all don't, I get it. It was a team. Maybe Tatum? I get it. I get it.

It was a team. Maybe I should let somebody else ask the question. Who carried who? No. Tell me. I'm going with the guy who led his team in every statistical category. So, Sean, I'm going with you. Who's the guy who led the team in Portisbury?

I don't know. I don't watch that. But who won finals every year? Sean, Sean, tell me who carried the team for Boston last year. In the finals? Play's in the finals? Playoffs, finals, the whole thing. In the playoffs, Jalen Brown did. Oh, okay. But the guy that led the team?

Do you agree? Points, rebounds, assists, steals. I think when I watched Boston, bro... I'm talking about just last year. Last year in the playoffs. I see a hell of a team. I see Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. They complement each other well. And then you got Drew Holiday and White, made a perfect complement to what these dudes do.

Right? They got a killer four. Is Jaylen Williams not doing what Jaylen Brown is doing? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Yes. The difference is though, SGA didn't have a bad shooting day like how Tatum had in that

series. That's the difference. SGA didn't take a step down. Tatum struggled shooting in the finals. He had nothing to do with it. He said that was Zaylin Williams' MVP. That's what he said. Right, and the answer is no.

The answer is no. And the answer is no. And that's what you're saying, yes. I'm saying based on the criteria of Jalen Brown, how he put it. And it wasn't stats. Jalen Brown didn't win the MVP in all the games. He was in the finals. He was in the finals.

He was in the finals. He was in the finals. He was in the finals. He was in the finals. He was in the finals. If you be if they win and that's what you saying. Yes, I'm saying based on the criteria of Jalen Brown How he and it wasn't stats? Jalen Brown and winning MVP and all that based on stats how he affected the game changed the game Sure, it's not always about the state because the stats didn't go to Jason Tatum, but this is he had all the stats But this is what I'm saying about SGA It didn't go to who? Not only is he getting the stats, but he is also affecting the game.

There is no, like what J-Dub is doing on defense, SGA doing the same thing. Four blocks and three steals. Three steals. In multiple games! Look, that's called affecting the game like you're supposed to! So what I'm saying is they both He can't say

Oh, J-Dev have a bigger responsibility Or he's doing more, he's dominating more Cause, shit A guard with four blocks, three steals 30 some points 50% from the field 5% 89% free throw steals 30 some points, 50% from the field, five and six, six, like y'all. Yeah, if you close your eyes, you said that.

If you close your eyes, you say all that shit. Close your eyes and I hear you saying that, right? Sounds amazing, but when we watched the game, it didn't even. You're not watching the game? We watched the game, Jalen Williams, it was the Jalen Williams show. Last night.

Yes, last night. So everything you said, Jalen Williams show. It was. Yes. So everything you said, with my eyes closed. It was one game. I'm like, yo, that's damn good. When I watched it, it was the Jalen Williams show. SGA 32-5. But if you was really watching the full game, you would have seen those steals.

We still on the edge. And those blocks. They don't go unnoticed. Man, that's it. That was what happened after under six minutes, but that's it means more to you because you were watching that part, right? And we watching Jalen Williams take the energy from here to here He took the energy okay, but that'll make you That'll make you That'll make you maybe P though with a finals though.

That's what he asked. That's what he just said. We didn't move from that. You said he can't be a big dog. That's what we're still talking about. Because he just said it. Yeah, we just, yeah, we still, yeah. He's not MVP of this final.

He's not MVP of this final. No. Because we ain't in. We ain't at the end yet. He's not. We ain't at the end of the world. J.D. don't come with another 40,000. That's what I ask.

Even if he do, if SGA haven't won the final, he ain't gonna be in the final. That's what I ask. Even if he do, if SGA haven't won the final, he ain't gonna be in the final. That's what I ask. Even if he do, if SGA haven't won the final, he ain't gonna be in the final. That's what I ask. Even if he do, if SGA haven't won the final, he ain't gonna we ain't at the end yet Have another 31 and 10 it's not gonna matter if you have another 41 Y'all talking about stats in comparison. No, no, no. And that's why everybody was so disappointed last year when Jason Tatum didn't get it.

You hated on Jason Brown. Like, oh, he didn't deserve it. What was you watching? You can watch the last game. You can watch the last game of the Boston series when they was clinching and say, okay, the reason why Jason Tatum averaged more points because he kept shooting trying to score more

points in the finals last year. SGA is different, bro. It is different. What's different about it? The way he's going about it, it's not just offense. What's different about it? And he's more efficient than Jason Tatum was in that finals. It's not just offense. What's different about him? It's not just offense. Like if OKC is winning by 17, he already got his 30.

But y'all making it about him. We talking about Jalen Williams. We talking about y'all moving from the credit we're giving Jalen Williams. No we're not. So why are we not talking about Jalen Williams? Because NGS is the format of the you and you can't surpass him! So tell me why are we not talking about Jaylen Williams? We are! Give him his fucking credit!

Y'all want to say that he's over SGA? We give him his credit too! We wasn't talking about SGA! We giving him his credit, giving Jaylen Williams credit! We saying why he's not there! Why he's not over SGA? Because you want to fucking argue! This is what we're here for! Why he's not over there? Why he's not over there? We never argue. This is what we're here for.

This is a debate show. We've been arguing for three years. That's a misconception. We got a million subscribers arguing. No, we didn't because people are like, Hey, he been right with him. Ain't nobody here to fucking argue. That's the problem. We're here to have a healthy basketball discussion.

Ain't nobody fucking argue with you dude. We were in the prison yard. Fucking argue that's the problem healthy basketball Do the walk around with a book and just debate with people and Hey, man, that's what happens when people want to debate. That's what happens. They like, oh, look, I'm losing. I'm losing. I'm losing. I'm losing. They talk about something. Losing what?

Losing what? Hey, I love y'all niggas get darker and darker. Darker and darker. Hey, Norris, here we go. Roasted marshmallows. Roasted marshmallows. What's that? What's that?

What's that? What's that? Roasted marshmallows. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, You got to pay to come over here to argue. No, no you did not. It's in my tie tie. Make sure you argue in my contract. You are this character. Do this shit or you don't get paid. That is honestly in his contract. This is the second thing they say.

We're not here to argue. We're not here to argue with you. We're not here to argue with you. No, I'm not here to argue with you. About something that there's nothing to argue about. He does not argue, but he not about the argument We have a topic I give my opinion and you give yours that's argument no, no, okay Arguing hold on then you're not doing a good job How are we arguing? Hold on, hold on.

Man, you're not doing a good job. You said you were arguing. So if we're here to argue and we got opinions, I got to give you that opinion. Your opinion can't be right. No, we can't go without arguing. Because we just shared opinions. But in your contract.

But my opinion seems to be getting a lot of triggered responses. Niggas get triggered by my opinion and say I'm arguing He said he not arguing. So what did I get paid to do? Argue. So what am I trying to do? Argue.

So what are you saying, my nigga? No, you said. You don't even make no sense, bro. No, you're backing out your argument. I'm arguing. You said, I don't want to argue. Yeah, we can't hear you two talking up in the arena right now. That's what it goes for, bro.

Opinion, opinion. No, let's argue. If you don't want to argue, my nigga, how the fuck can we have an opinion? Let's argue. About the talk. Let's argue. I want to keep the shit. I'm not invested in opinion.

Like opinion, opinion, argument. No, no, no. So then what are we doing? No, we argue. No, we're having healthy basketball discussions. We're arguing right now. We're not arguing. We are. We're debating. We are arguing right now. We're not arguing. We are arguing, we're debating.

We're arguing, we have difference of opinions, and it's leading to an argument. There's still games to be played, but if Jalen Williams can put up another performance like this in a final split, and a Jalen, and SGA puts up another performance of the same thing, then let's just focus on Sam Williams. So it would have to take a huge gap in game six

for the game to be discussed. For the 14 point game. And motherfuckin' four turnovers. But it's not gonna happen. He said it's not about the stats. They bringing them. They come in and throw them. I see y'all, man.

Y'all come on, man. I'm a grand with you, Shia. I'm a grand with you. I see y'all man, y'all come on man. I'm gonna grab with you, I'm gonna grab with you. But we just fell full circle for 15 minutes. That's the point. It's a beautiful conversation though. You did your job. I know, I do my job. Yes.

I do my job every day. Right, so why are you complaining? Because y'all acting like I'm not doing my job. Nigga, the boss is watching. He's trying to take care of my life. The boss is watching. In transit to the airport. Still watching Gils Reiner presented by Underdog. But we got the highly injury

update so we know what the situation is. TJ McConnell looked very affected before apparently getting too tired. Because I was watching the game winner. What the fuck is going on? Why he's not in? 18 points through 3 quarters. Why he's not in? Cookie. Why? Why is not in 24 hour fitness Hall of Fame? He was tired. Tired boss. It's unacceptable. Rick Carlisle should be like, nigga, if you don't get your ass back. Listen, man, get your ass in the back. Go get you a Gatorade.

Drink some motherfucking pickle juice, whatever the fuck you need to do. Trust me. Electrolytes? Get your electrolytes. Coconut water. Pedialyte. IV bag. They ain't testing you no more. Half time. They ain't testing no more. Sniff you alive.

Whatever you got to do bro. Go out there bitch and we need you right now. Don't tell nobody if you do. You ain't getting tested no more. Whatever you got to do bro. Go out there bitch and we need you right now. No go test him. Don't tell nobody if you do it. You ain't getting tested. You never know how great you are. Wait, we're on a bump G? On a bump.

This is going off the rails. This is going off the rails. It's a good TV though. The Pacers coming back home. Game Bridge Fieldhouse. Pacers have a very dedicated fan base. It'll be very loud in the arena. Hardest game to win is a series clinching game in the playoffs.

Can the Pacers extend this series with or without Halliburton? Yes. Yes. Can. Everybody said no though. You said no. You said it's over. Norris said it's over.

It's a tall task. If he's not healthy, it's really a tall task. So if Halle's not healthy, let's say he can play but he's not effective. Well it's really Indiana win six. Seahawks? Seahawks in New York. The Easter Conference Finals MVP. It's gonna be Smith.

It's gonna be Smith. It's gonna be all the people Young and talking about that didn't do it in game five. They gonna come to life game six. And role players play better at home. They gonna make it a tough game. It's gonna be tough. It's over.

It's not working. Well, listen, man, we're just talking before the show, right? He got big responsibility. But he need to, listen, he need to go see the wizard. Cause I know he went to Vanderbilt, but it don't seem like he's the smartest. Yeah, yeah. That's the most important.

He wants the wizard. Not with the brain. He need to go get a brain. He need to get a brain, yeah. No mustache? Nah, cause he's fouling out the pack. Guys, don't judge a book by its cover. He's not.

He need to go see the wizard. He just need to grow his mustache back. But it he's fouling out the book by his company. He's not going to see the wizard. He just need the girl's mustache back. But it's just like he and adjusted at all. I cut his mustache. He's got the chin strap. He just said the wizard. But he had to act just to the cause. Yeah, it's just like he be committing to fouls.

Yes, like you found twice on this play. They just had to pick which one they wanted to call. But he's been doing that. He ain't lying. That's my point. The whole playoff. That's my point exactly. That's my point exactly.

But they wouldn't call him in. So he ain't been calling it. But now they're learning it. They've been calling it now. They've been calling it, too. The New York series, they was letting that get down. And they're picking on it now. That's being crazy.

They're running screens to get the switch with him because they're going to start getting fouls. They trying to pick. They're picking on it now. They run the screens to get the switch with him because they're going to start getting fouled. They want him on the line because he could foul. They know he can get to the line. S.J. wouldn't get to the line before he started getting on it. That's why I said they needed to adjust. Bring them back. You're going to have to play the position for S.G.A.

That's your only threat to him, man. You can't extend. What I've been saying is Indiana extending the pressure and SGA and those dudes is different than New York. They get downhill. They can finish with dunks. They playmakers. It's not just Jaylen Brunson you got to guard against.

It's like all these dudes, they know how to catch, get to the cup. They all got skills, especially Jayalen Williams, especially SGA. So you can extend your defense. You can probably extend your defense, keep the same pressure, but immediately fall back as soon as you come across half court and set your defense a little bit above the three. Because OKC is not like a catch and fire quick three point. They're more methodical, more pick and roll, more ISO so you can actually to your point play back, sit on the three point line, right, and set your defense there.

Question is, how about you play a possession to a zone? Let's try. Let's try. But remember. I don't know, let's try it. Stay a joe, hit big hits. I get it, but just give them a different look. I'm all about different looks. I said't know, just try it. They a Joe, he a Biggie. I get it, but just give them a different look.

I'm all about different looks. I said the same thing. So, this is big. That was big. So, who? Denver or Minnesota changed up on them? The only way I think you can beat OKC is you got to beat them. Play them big. They don't want to back up.

Make them go small. And have a bigger mind up. The Timberwolves series. You gotta remember, they pressured them, they want that pace to be... They don't want to sit back, they want that pace to be... I thought that was Indiana. That's why I'm saying, that's why Indiana is pressured so much, because they want OKC to speed up so they can get back on offense again. Right, right.

It ain't worth it. They turned that motherfucking ball over, man. Because they turned it over. Turned that bitch over like hot cake. The Timberwolves series, right? When they slowed them down, they pushed back to a matchup zone against SGA. He had to switch up what he was seeing because they were staying home on the shooters, but they was helping on his drives.

They haven't done that since. Like you said, the press up up that takes away your help defense because now if SGA, what he did last night is this, I don't know if y'all noticed, he got in there and he slowed down when he touched paint. He slowed, slowed down and found Wallace who was supposed to be in that corner who rolls all the way to the top wing. So the rotation when he came, you look in there cuz that's the normal rotation But he didn't already move he keep moving so now he slow it down It's like now I know he's gonna be there this time and he's telling them in the in the in the huddle

Hey when I drive now, he's moving on the relocate You're gonna be open cuz they're pre rotating to spots. You can tell they drilled that you can see it So now I'm looking at that off like you made an adjustment with your MVP to tell him to slow down. Slow down and see the block. I got to give credit to the OKC coach because for a first time coach being in this situation, he is making the adjustments. He almost blew it. He almost blew it when they got caught in the first game, then they got down 2-1.

It looked like they was on the ropes. But like I said, he figured out how to play Harkinstein, Chet, and then he figured out how to implement the Wiggins dude. He's been working his lineup to make it work more for him to stabilize that bitch. And guess what? The fucking pace is helping him. Yeah. The motherfucker averaging 18 turnovers a night. And that was my thing when y'all was giving the assessment.

I'm like, this is fast. 18 of them motherfuckers, bro. Yo, averaging 18, you averaging 18 through five games? Yeah, they just- You ain't beating me. You see how different- They can riff. They're the same, bro.

He was getting in there doing dumb shit like this. This loose ball, this live ball turnover. Yeah, it's live ball turnover. A lot of live ball turnovers. They can rip. They're the same, bro. He's getting in there doing dumb shit like this. Yeah, it's live ball turnovers. A lot of live ball turnovers. They get ripped. Bro, they get ripped that half court. And the points off the turnovers. OK, she's making the extra effort crack down.

Yeah. They get in there. When that ass supposed to be there, you're like, oh, we're dead. That window closed. That window closed. Coruso is there. He's like, oh, no, I know I'm supposed to get here.

That's the steel. We good. Turning it over is one thing, right? Live ball turnovers. You can throw that bitch out of bounds, cool. Yeah. Trying to make a play, they kick it out of bounds, they tip it out of bounds, you drop that, cool.

Of course, of course. But live ball, and they points off the turnovers. That was the difference. They points off the turnovers as well. Man, they cut it to what? Two, four, and now that? Two, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four,

four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, four, And they cut it to what? 2-4? They cut it to 2-4. 4-2! That was the game! That was the game! Indiana, you feelin' good in there. Indiana, that's how they count. That's how they been winning. OKC, dude, they come down and get fouled.

Stop the clock. Another turnover, come down, score 3. 2-point game, go to 7-point game. OKC is just I clean like playing in Indiana's way and the confidence they figured out they waves. Yep. Okay, we gonna get up. There's gonna be a wave coming Let's handle this game around and then let's turn it up on our like let's find a deepness on it up Right. So when they put the pressure on Indiana When they fall in back then they turn the pressure up Indiana, when they falling back, then they turn the

pressure up, Indiana turn the ball over, then they fall back and say, all right, let's get back to where we were and play our lead, play our ISO basketball. But I think Indiana can win game six. I do too. Okay. Okay. Without Halliburton. Swaggy, do you believe the Pacers can win game six?

I got no case seeing six, but the NBA need a game seven. I need a game. I need a game. I need a game. It's been great finals basketball though. Yeah, it's been good basketball. The games have been good, man. I can't even lie. Like, there's been some good fucking basketball, man.

Crazy playoffs, but a good final. So if the perspective or the perception of it being bad, we would have a better fanfare of the finals Even though you know, we got two boring teams But the games are good But that's what they'll say they'll say it's boring but it's not if you're like the game They don't love basketball they don't like basketball. They don't like basketball. They don't like basketball. They like basketball.

They like basketball. You're finding out who Jalen Williams is. We got some new superstars. We got some new stars. Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown did their thing last year. They opened up the door. Every year it's been new superstars.

We had lunch at the office. Hey man, hey, what you doing after lunch? I'm at your work today, guy. Hey, Joe, what you doing? You going to watch the game, you going to go do it with your kids, you going to go do it. Like, it just,

you got one basketball guy in the office place, he might invite Nick. Hey, Nick, what you want to go watch the game? We're about to get a beer. We're gonna watch the game, though. It's just, now you're inviting him now, there's viewership, but it's just, it's not like every household is that.

Every person is not that. Well they should be, game watchers. I dig it. I also feel like it's a marketing thing, right? And you know, it's storytelling, man. Like, you gotta sell some shit to people. Yeah, but these dudes is fire. You gotta get out of here.

These dudes are fire. They don't got no personality. They fired are fire. They fire, they fly. So they know what we have. But there's a legacy, back to legacy, that could be a part of this whole, like think about it, neither one of these teams ever won a championship. Indiana longer, OKC just coming in the league,

like man this is a fucking big historic moment. And like the last thing we talking about is like, yo, one of these franchises are going to be crowned a champion for the first time ever. That used to be like a huge thing in sport. And like if it was a Super Bowl and it was two teams never won a Super Bowl, it'd be like that'd be the most talked about shit ever. That's what we're not doing in there. Like what's the legacy of OKC?

How they get to OKC? Do Seattle still get to sell it? Like there's so much, there's so much interest. Seattle not fucking with this. Seattle definitely should get a ring. Seattle not rocking with this. They still got players. They still got picks, right?

The narrative is stronger than the actual success of what's going on. They're pushing the narrative. It's like, oh, the narrative is two, you know, warrant teams and this and that. It's like, but we got a story behind these two teams. The size of the markets, if you line them up, it's where it should be. Yeah. Right. They're not. It's where it should be because of the markets that it's in. Like, people are you not expecting that if you have the Knicks in the Lakers that's gonna be your viewership of Boston and later. That's gonna be your viewers

You got more you got more casuals Yeah, maybe you got more casual people that are worse and shit and of the city Yeah, because people that you know, I'm gonna see the thunder they live in Oklahoma City Yeah, that's fans that in the other places most of they live in India right now. This is a fandom Yeah, you got a really let a gay be locked in on the game like I've been telling my kids on the a you like man watch this cuz I you know, I we grew up off of Jordan magic, you know fighting Sean Kim fight Basketball and it was different, it kinda shaped the motive.

This finals, if the young kids watch it, this is the type of shit you watch it, man. Defense closing out. TJ McConaughey. Look at TJ McConaughey. Look at Caluso. Look at Caluso. Look at Caluso.

Look at Caluso. Look at Caluso. Playing hard is a skillset now. Look at Dort. Look how Dort ain't letting the Hollenberg touch the ball. There's so many players you can look at as a young kid and say, damn, all these dudes

is giving their heart and soul landing on the line and I can find at least the energy that I need to make it to the NBA. Somebody that resembles my game. Somebody that resembles me. Yup, and the energy behind that. The energy behind it, right?

That shit is dope. How is this person playing at this stage? And it's being valued too. Yeah. But that's dope, because you think about when you was in school, you harnessed the energy that everybody's seen in your senior year,

that we didn't know how to mimic because there was nowhere to go for it. We just had to see you play Yeah, what he's saying is to create those legacy stories where kids can have something to pull from and say yo I remember him. I watched the film but that energy I play like that Oh AI, you know how he's running around doing all getting hit getting joked up. He was only this big I feel like that. I get that. That's the Michael Jordan

come fly with me. That's the playground. That's that legacy that's left behind. Kids should want to play like SGA if you can score. Kids should want to point guard like Halliburton if you a point guard. You know, a three man. You know, if you a

short or something. You can play like TJ or Cammy you know if you're a short or something You know like they're gonna pass yeah, yeah Yeah, man, I'll look like an idiot. The mustache is killing. Homeboy on the Cleveland Cavaliers had a ponytail. He had a ponytail. When I saw that, I was like, oh, there's no way. There's no way Cleveland is making it out of this.

That dude running around here with a ponytail, no offense. That's offensive. Bro, We can't have it remember the only dudes I know uh Playing with ponytails is the homies playing along beach bull, right? That makes you quit at halftime They used to quit at halftime and go fight they used to go fight each other at halftime They're like four dudes come back and he'd be playing But it was always the dude with the ponytail.

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$1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pickup. So we have one question for the couch. Curious to get your gentleman's opinions. Baron, thank you again for pulling up. Thank you, bro. Issue of the game coming soon. You got Bart Oatmeal, a lot of things that you're doing out here.

They got the music dropping. Bart Oatmeal, man. Oatmeal Radio Cafe. You got a lot of stuff going on. Check out that steel cut. Hey, notice. That steel cut in there. That steel cut.

That steel cut going. So we got a question from underdog user CapoDeuce wants to know, would you trade KD for Chet and Picks? Would you trade Kevin Grant back to the thunder for Chet Holmgren and Picks? Yes. I've been saying that. Yes.

Doris, you shaking your head now? No. Why not? I've been saying that. I like my core like it is. I'm about to win a championship with Audi. What am I doing? What am I doing? We're moving backwards. What are we doing? I do too. How do we do that? I like this core. Are we getting better though?

If it ain't broke, we're not fixing it. If it ain't broke, we're not fixing it. Okay. Yeah. I would say yes, because teams ain't gonna be hurt next year. And teams gonna be stronger. They don't prepare for this. You have to think about the value of chat, the potential of chat. But then you think about like, OK, see, it's kind of like in a go state state of mind and if you can throw a KD in there that's gonna that's a guaranteed dub. Would you do this if you were the son? It is!

SCA's J-Dub, I mean! I just watched it not work with you! We just watched that not work! You following the trend, just tell it! But it didn't work in Phoenix because that is the wrong mix of talent. It didn't work in Brooklyn either. That is the wrong mix. If you're the Suns, you make that trade.

And Brooklyn, sorry, was like three little feet from going to the finals. You know what I mean? So you can't say it didn't work. So I think this from Sun's perspective, would you trade KD to the Thunder for Chet and Greta? I would do it if I'm the Thunder. If you're the Suns, or would you make that? The Suns have to do something different. They have to. They're forced to have to. Okay, so you're building around Chet.

Okay, so he has not a lot to come back next year. They not allowed to come back next year. But they have as great a chance as anybody, though. Yeah, but like... They're not allowed to come back next year. But they have as great a chance as anybody though. So you taking Chet as the centerpiece for the Phoenix Suns with this trade? With Book still there though. It's still Book team, but Chet the future. I'm taking Chet and some picks. Yeah, Phoenix, yeah.

If I'm taking Chet and some picks. If you're OKC, why would we do that? Because you're getting 20 points. You're plugging plates. On top of what you're doing. We don't need it. Kevin Durant is the only player. We don't need it on top of nothing.

You're plugging plates playing NBA. We don't need it. Kevin Durant is the, say it again, bro. You can put him on any team. Man, you're going to have to give me some picks. But what do you need? You don't need more scoring. That's not what they need.

They need blocks and rebounds. Plug and play. You got hard time for that. You don't get a big deal for that. You got hard time. You have hard time. No. More score Locks and rebounds Do to Jalen Williams nothing stun is no he won't nothing Katie doesn't need to Katie don't The whole dude still could be in the bucket. J. Will is not Clay. If KD was on the court right now. KD, you talking about KD coming in average in 27 again? No, no, no. I said that's a guaranteed dub. He don't need the average 27. I said that's a guaranteed, add a dub. Add a dub.

This a dub. You gon' get a dub. But do we need it? We just want the chip. You can use that dub in this tell me why if he lose we need Talking about the only job we got is jaydub in 40. We had to get it to get 30 me All I'm saying is if Jadon get you 40, right, and Shay get you 30, where else can I get me a guarantee at? And where it gonna go up? It can go up!

15 with Chet. 15 with Chet. Tell me something. Only plug and play. Only plug and play. Only plug and play. Only plug and play. If Chet get you 20 and play, you get a win.

So what happened when this coach make an adjustment and K Katie give him attitude that he haven't been dealing No This is a different organization. No. Time out, bro. Yes. Time out. Yes. It don't even make sense to me. Oh my God. It's a different organization. Talk to me, B. How does that make sense?

OKC is building. They building. They building to win the championship. OK, we got check. We need to sustain. We need to grow out. Phoenix, when they got KD, they was already discombobulated. They had lost Aiden, they had lost the Chris Paul shit.

They start, they were unraveling. So they- They brought two championship coaches in, they got fired. Yeah, I have a question. Exactly. And the players stayed the same, so it wasn't the coaches.

Exactly. So why would I want to bring in something from that cough? I don't want to bring that into my championship. You brought, you brought Bradley Bill in in and it wasn't a good fit. I still got KD. I still get it. I still got KD. It didn't work.

It's supposed to work. It didn't work miserably. It was like- It's like who? You brought two coaches in that are championship coaches. You have a league talent. How the fuck you can't make that work? Because the players does not want to be held accountable.

That's why. Then the coach ain't... Then the coach needs to get fired. So you're just going to fire championship coaches and these dudes stay the same? Man, if you can't get your players to show up and you got three... You got three... These dudes don't want to be held accountable. But BD... Bro, you got three you got three you don't want to be how to kill you got three superstars talking about ok see asking the question why would

want to go over here and bring that I'm just thinking that we just got nothing over there you just got a hope that chat becomes that dominant. Chet can stay how he is. Hope works at the shake joint as Canyon has pointed out. Why he can't stay how he is, why he can't be the third wheel. That's a good place for us to wrap up here for today.

BD, appreciate you coming through. Appreciate you, BD. History of the game coming soon. Old Mill Radio Cafe, that's field cut. What? Shout out to Gil. Hopefully you made your flight, Gil. I know you didn't, though. I know you just sitting in the parking lot. You're gonna miss the flight anyway You'll be on a later flight with me, but appreciate y'all gonna be out the next two days But the rest of the crews gonna be here to hold it down for all y'all. Thank you to everybody in the chat Thank you to everybody on this couch. It's been another episode of gills arena presented by underdog