Gil's Arena - Coach Thibs FIRED By The Knicks STUNS Gil's Arena!!

Episode Date: June 3, 2025

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Service fees exclusions and terms apply. Instacart, groceries that over-deliver. Welcome back to Gills Arena presenting my underdog, whoa! Feels good to be employed, ladies and gentlemen. Can't say that for everybody. Oh To you there. Yeah Smoking at Tim's back Gentlemen Tim take all this shit you got on right now get the fuck out of here

Get to step in another one has bitten the dust I told that man who he said first eat from the conference finals at 25 years They need to let that motherfucker get to King Kong around they fired him before his and he was having them bags that they he was packing his shit Before the exit mean whoa ladies and gentlemen damn breaking news I just come down we're gonna talk about it huh Just a moment. They need to land in New York Yeah, didn't land Commercial We're gonna talk about it in just a second with this is gills arena presented by underdog

Whoa, whoa, as always we got the legend Gilbert arenas here with us still employed Gilbert arenas On this side of the couch. We got NBA champion of the world swaggy Pete Nick Young represent for the corner boys And the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff former number one pick Kenya Martin is back in the arena as well Also still employed You're gonna face. Thank you for letting me have a job man It's getting tough out here. It's didn't even let them get to his office. And that's right. What's the exit

meeting? Huh? That was a real that last game. That's Brunson. Yeah. So, uh, can you win? That was actually me. Are you confident in Tim's? Uh, I am. But apparently, Lehigh Rose, rest of the crew are not shows a setup question. He go. They already knew before all the fans out there. We still got to viewing options for our traditional version mobile vertical version pick which everyone you want to watch. Just make sure you support the show.

Here's what's cracking in the arena today. Luca pulled up to the mind the game pod with Brown and Steve Nash to talk all things hooks. How can the Lakers maximize the Luluka duo in their first full season together? At only 23 years old, Anthony Edwards has made great strides during his five seasons in the league. What does Ant-Man need to do to take the next leap? Wolves seem to be under pressure.

He could be one of the greatest all time. He's training on that trajectory. But what does he need to do to get over the top? And with the finals just days away, we got a Pacers legend pulling up to the arena to tell us what Indiana needs to do to bring home the first chip in Their NBA history shout out Jermaine O'Neal. He's coming through J. O coming into the arena a little bit later But before we get into all that as always the show is brought to you by underdog Go ahead download the app use promo code guilt get up to a thousand dollars of bonus cash plus a special pick them

Like I said, we're just days away from the NBA finals tipping off and with that in mind, Swaggy has some picks up in his partner pack on the underdog app for game one. Let's take a look. Oh, there it is. You got Hallie higher 17.5 points. You got SGA higher 33.5 points. Haskal Siakam, the Eastern Conference Finals MVP

taking home the Larry Bird Trophy higher 19.5 home the Larry Bird trophy higher 19.5 points Jalen Williams higher 18.5 points and Aaron Nie Smith the chin beard No mustache higher 1.5 three-pointers, man. It's like I appreciate you supporting these gentlemen picking their hires always That's what I tend to do. I don't ever want to root against anybody It's hard. Yeah, sometimes first game First game I see some excitement you know. Yeah for sure. They had a great, they had a good little week. If you use this pack and get more than 11 times your bread, how's everybody else on the couch feeling about Swaggy's picks for game one of the finals? I don't know about SGA getting 34 points so. That was a tough one for me as well Ken. It was a tough one for me as well, Ken. It was a tough one for me too. I let you down. It was 29.

I know he's going to get 30. I don't know how to promo where I can get it at zero. I would have won with a 29 over the 33. As long as you get a point. I'm going to bring it all the way down. It's not like he's not going to score a 34 because they got great defense. It's just that it might be

just such a big ass blowout. That's not even in the game to get to 34. That's all. That's what you think? Yeah. Honestly, did they go smack him? I don't know, good pacers. Not a chance, bro.

May replicate what they did in Eastern Conference final, came into the garden, Halle, hitting them with the Reggie Miller choke celebration. First game, they shot. Yeah, they're not getting blown out in game one. Not game one. I see it being a shootout. Halle did the choke and then it got smoked.

One has the best defense on the rink, what, 15? 13. 13. They got Rick Harlow. A team that just drives the ball the whole time. So you had Brunson getting in there that easy. Now you got Shay and Jalen driving the whole time. That's going to be good.

They don't want to pull up. They want to pull up. We want a one dribble, two dribble pull up. That's his get you to move and stop. Get you to move and stop on the dime. That's what I'm saying. He taller than Mark. It was getting in the lane easy against Indiana.

I don't think there's gonna be no blowout. There ain't gonna be no blowout. There ain't gonna be no blowout. There ain't gonna be a blowout. So we asked the chat if they're riding or fading with your partner Pac Swaggy. Regret to inform you that 55% of the chat is fading this. They are not riding 45%. It's not about the script.

Okay, I'm moving up though. What's the script, dude? I forgot about the script. I'm moving up though. I forgot about this script. I'm moving up though Yeah, the 76ers script you know, okay see versus Miami script So they'll take game one take game one gentlemen sweep who's getting stepped over like tyloo though. I like crucial Also known as kuruzma Lose game one get everybody excited. Yeah, and then they might have to theyain one, get everybody excited in the end, generally.

They might have to. Well, somebody better tell Indiana that. Because I think that was the script in New York, too. They wanted the Knicks to be in fire, and I don't think nobody went to Indiana and told them boys that. You right? Right? If that is the plan, I think somebody should go tell them that, because they ain't buying

in. They got into it the last round. I can't see them buying into the script if you don't go tell them. For sure. Let's stand over here. Nobody usually tell us what the script is. All right, well, all right, so therefore.

Referees let us know in real time. Well, they tried that shit third, right? And we do have the extender. It was two games too late, right, when they tried it. Oh shit, maybe we should have told them before game one. All right, nah, cause they thought the niggas was gonna take care of business. Yeah, they stupid though. If you like Swaggy's partner pack, head over thought the Knicks was going to take care of business. Yeah, they stupid though.

So, if you like Swaggy's partner pack, head over to the Underdog app. If you don't have Underdog, I tell you every episode, please help us out. Download the Underdog app, use promo code GID, get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pick-up. And if you can't watch this show live with us on YouTube, we have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. So we got to get right down to business. Ladies and gentlemen, breaking news coming out of the Big Apple. Knicks have fired Tom Thibodeau after five seasons with the team

Tibbs led the Knicks to their first Eastern Conference finals in 25 years made playoffs in four of his five years at the helm Let the Knicks the consecutive 51 seasons for the first time since the 90s had a playoff record of 24 and 23 In this time with the Knicks. Sadly, season came to an end in Indianapolis, game six. Damn. They said, Tibbs, get to step. And we talked about it yesterday on the show. Mr. B was adamant.

He was. That the Knicks should tell Tibbs to move around. They do watch the show, so they followed his advice. Tibbs, fired by the Knicks. What do y'all think about the Knicks relieving Tom Thibodeau of his services? Man, tips. Not surprised?

That's what being stubborn get you? He is stubborn. Right? Nah, you got it. Damn. In 25 years though? Coach. Yeah, that's what it is.

Don't matter. Who worse? You got coach that one. We're not surprised because obviously the narrative, he's not trusting his team, which a good coach, a good coach in the NBA, right? That's really how you do it. You were saying it.

You have to build confidence in that 10th, ninth, eighth player so you can use him in the playoffs. Where you need him. You know, so the fact that you did run eight to seven strong all season, even if you tried to use him, they didn't build no confidence all year long. Right?

So, be ready, boss. Look, my man Shandley came out there, motherfucker, playing lightly. I'm gonna show you, motherfucker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He shot that bitch every time he touched it. He did mess up my 100-dog, right? And he could have used them during the regular season.

Yeah, yeah. Like, early in the playoffs, he could have used them. Games wouldn't have been as tough for certain games, right? When you running them boys into the ground, man, you could have used them dudes in the first round, you wouldn't have to go seven games, shit like that. So it's, you got them dudes sitting upstairs, man, like, hey.

But did they not know, I'm saying they knew that when they hired them, they know this has been- But you expect something different now at this point, right, you make it to this point, you gotta do something different, so they expect something different. But expecting something different out of Timbs. See, that's what I mean, being stubborn.

Him and Sam Van Gundy is kind of like the same. They bullheaded on their vision. It just makes it hard to be a coach, though. Why? Because you do break history, right? You do break history, right? You did something no coach has done in the last 25 years. So as fucked up as people say what you did, I did do something that no other coach has done in the last 25 years. For that organization. For this

organization. You got other guys that won championships in other places that got the boot as well. I know. Right? But that's what I'm saying. It's like- Motherfucking Frank Vogel, you got other coaches that's won championships that's been on the court at least than him. He has five years, the mother dude's had two years. But that's what I said, this adds to the coaching legacy of being fired.

It's like, you're firing success It's like you're firing success in coaches that are just doing what? Listening to you, playing a game. You did it to Mike Woodson. Right? I mean, like, how do you keep your job? There's no, like, right now it's saying the more successful you are, you're easier to get cut versus someone who plays middle and the role. No, something about who we building.

If you're out losing consecutive years, you got a better chance of getting re-signed. If your team is trending up, you got a better chance of getting the extension than you winning consecutive years in the playoffs and not winning the championship. It's just, that's the nature of it in this NBA for whatever reason. And it seems like the Knicks went all-in this season. They feel, yeah, yeah. Resigning J. Lebrunson, giving OG Ananobe the bag. Blockbuster trades for

Mikhail Bridges, Carl Anthony Towns. And we talked about, we had Merrill on the show last week, long-time Knicks fan. Yeah, it's improvement. They wouldn't be disappointed if they didn't win the Eastern Conference Finals. But that roster also improved from the roster last season. They got booted in the second round by the Pacers. Well, we wouldn't know because he didn't use them, so. All right. Yeah, it's just, it.

And for New York, you know, they feel like they should be in the finals right now. OK, OK. That's what it is. And you hear them. No, OK. Should, in reality, is should. Like, you should after them. No, okay In reality is like you do it after this Yeah, you feel you was this close beat balls for being in a championship

but that's then there's reality right reality is okay the the The mega teams did get hurt but but this was our time. So there was any Get to the chip. It was this was it right And we were this close, and we probably fucked that off. I get that understanding, that this might not come around again, and we should have been better prepared to capitalize. OK. You beat Boston twice in Boston. You're on the verge of going up 3-1,

even before Tatum's injury, late in the fourth quarter of game four of that series. Yes. But you think, all right, taking on the Pacers going up three one even before Tatum to injury late in the fourth quarter of game four of that series Yes, this was you think are taking on the paper. I think the hope I think the reality of being in the championship was set Like yeah, once they beat Boston. It was stone nigga. We're right We we getting our tickets and okay see you doing all of that We I think that's why he got fired. Because, nigga, we already done spent some pretty old parades and who we was going to hire, and you just didn't make it. And you're kind of blaming.

And it's New York. If I'm the new coach, I don't know if this is a. Guess who it all was supposed to do. Guess who it all for, said running. Like, it's. Yeah. You don't have offense. You supposed to do? Like it's. Yeah. You don't have offense. You gotta adapt.

Yeah, he's got. So the thing is like y'all were saying like just by calling Anthony Towns, right? And other people have said like you are big that likes to score. You have certain advantages offensively. Shoot the ball well, things like that. But is he a post player? Can you go, can you throw the ball to him

if you need a bucket? So those questions, right? If you can, then tips are using corrective. Right? If you think that he is that, when you need a bucket, you throw the ball down there. There was none of that. There was no adjustments.

It was the same thing. That's true. It's hard to win, man. It's hard to win, man. It's hard to be successful consistently when... Jesse Johnson is a hell of a basketball player. Take nothing off his plate. He's a hell of a basketball player. He can't average 30 at all.

He can't. It's not making anything or anybody around him better, man. It's how he registered. It's a lot of dribbling, a lot of ball domination when the ball needs to be moving. Like I said, the first three quarters, man, the ball needs to be popping. He's so ball-dominant, man. The mother dude's not in rhythm, so every shot is pressure on when they get it. Plus, he just don't know if it's going to come back, man.

And it was consistent, consistently then. And then when once teams figured that out, like, okay, we gonna play him this way, then what did Tibbs do? Right? So question for the couch, would you have fired Tibbs? Yes. If you were in that same situation with the Knicks. You're telling the game.

I would have. I know, I thought it was a wrap. Yeah, I would have. Maylaw, I knew it was a wrap. We said before game five, as Tim's coaching for his job, the couch agreed that it was such that they stretch it to six, get that first home win in Madison Square Garden. I'm 50-50, man.

Like, I understand it. I understand the firing. But I would be up there arguing if I'm to, like these niggas are stupid. Like I'll be saying, hey, they stupid. Look at this play. And I just be running down plays on how stupid some of these guys are.

I had a motherfucker post up. I only see one player do this and I was like, oh shit. Okay, you're not smart. This is the baseline. Right? Post up like this, right? this nigga dribbling like this and then wonder why the ball got stolen nigga the defense is this way they dig in this way like what who taught you like cuz you want to go to your right hand then get the fuck on the other side yes I never see no shit on the left side dribbling

towards the baseline thinking about the spin back right? What educated guard is gonna allow you? Try to set his spin up, nigga, fuck what you talking about. Right, he was waiting to get. Damn, the defense might know what I'm about to think. They thinking the same thing. He trying to set this spin up.

He trying to set this spin up. Every guard go dig, and if you don't dig it, he get that That spin off nigga the garbage served out you stupid motherfuckers. He can't even see you like when I seen that I was just sitting like Yo, this is crazy but He's old school though. Yeah, I'm right now. He might be listen Shit think about it. He He don't have an offense, right? He's a defensive coach that broke down defensively, right?

A lot of movements, right? You got to do a lot of individual work. Fuck your team practice shit. Because if you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, right? And y'all look at the team practice, you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour

and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and

a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, and you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, if you're doing team practice for an hour and a half, right? And y'all out here running regular offense and then you go in a game and Brunson is the offense now, that means you're wasting an hour and a half of development if this is how y'all play the game. So if this is how you play the game, fuck team practice, right? Because all it is how you play the game, fuck Team Pride.

Because all it is is just give the shit to Brunson, let Brunson do his job. That's what y'all play like. So, OG, we're gonna work on your feet, how to move in traffic. Cat, we're gonna work on your post ups and getting in shape. Because I watch YouTube clips

of a young towns, oh that nigga was good. What? Oh that nigga was fast. Oh yeah, he was out there moving. Probably the best being. Yeah. And what you are now is not even, your young self will whoop,

he will run circles around the new you, right? You might have to drop 15, 20 to be back in movement how you was moving before. Like I always say, you get too comfortable shooting too many threes. Like he was posting up, getting in there, doing dunks, I'm like, hey man, drop some weight. You might need to be on the Luka thing right now. Drop weight down, get back to a little bit faster. But I can't believe you said you 50-50

after you fired Teals after one practice. That's crazy. Memory came to Wizards and he was our coach for one day. Put all of us through the practice and he said, man, get this motherfucker out of here. I can't do this shit. I'm not dealing with this shit. See, this motherfucker.

That was the old me. No, see this motherfucker. That was the old. No, you the chain. That was the old me, I said no. Listen. It really came in that day. No, no, I remember. So, listen, I know, and I wasn't even playing, but. But he conducted a practice?

Yeah, he conducted a practice. Yeah, you weren't even practicing. No, he was watching. He was just spectating. His structure didn't look good to me. He got mad at his. You know how you just sitting there watching the practice, He was just watching. It structured, it didn't look good to me. You know how you're just sitting there watching the practice, it's like, all right, OK, start off day warm, you know, 5 on 0.

OK, OK, 5 on 5. 5 on 0. Yeah, that's when he went the ball. 5 on 0, then back to 5 on five, then back to five on O. He went right back to ball. Then talking for 30 minutes, now you wanna go lie. Oh, these niggas about to get hurt. Hey, hey, he's out, man.

This nigga retarded. Get him on out of here, man. Mentally challenged. Was he, like, he was just visiting or he was, like? We were thinking about hiring. We was thinking about hiring. It was out of him, so he came in and did a practice run. So a bunch of...

So who they fired? We fired Eddie Jordan, was it? It was... Flip. Flip Sondra. So they fired Flip. No, no, they fired Eddie Jordan. It was Eddie Jordan, then they had like press,

Tapscott, Hibs came in here. So they was giving dudes test runs and running to practice to see if they was gonna hire him. That's the wildest shit I've ever heard. Cause he was a assistant coach again, right? Yeah, yeah. The wildest shit I've ever heard. Cuz he was a assistant coach, right? Yeah, yeah. The wildest shit I've ever heard. He was y'all assistant coach?

No, he was someone else. Somewhere else? Oh, that shit's crazy. So we have a comment from YoMikeLo in our chat that we feel is pertinent for this particular discussion. He said, Cat gobs Tibbs fire twice in six years. Laughing emoji. And then repeated that two more times. Wow leaving in tears. Yo Mike look we don't encourage family in the chat but now

we do. Now New York do have to be careful here because the coach you bring in if it's an offensive coach that offense is offensive coach, that offense is going to change. That offense is going to change, your star player abilities is going to change. So unless you're going to hire Big Brunson and you're all going to run the same offense or get a little bit better, you bring in any other coach, they're going to run offense. That means Brunson going to get off the ball and move somewhere else. He going to have to move somewhere else.

He going to have to get off that motherfucker. And that might fuck Brunson, and he might be mad. If Rick Brunson takes over, this is, again, just speculation and talking. Oh, then I'm good. But how is the rest of the team going to feel about this? Oh, I think they're cool. I think. Hell no. No, then I'm good. But how is the rest of the team gonna feel about this? Oh, I think they cool. I think.

Hell no. No, I think they probably like. He already shoot the ball. No. He already shoot the ball every time now. And I think the players is cool with that. It just seems like they all cool with that, right? Then he go get some.

I think it's the other shit that Tiz probably was fucking with them with and I don't, I think, you know, Pops might be a little bit better for the rest of the team. Cause they do hold young fella accountable. They do. He's one of your favorite fellas. Yeah, he owns them accountable.

You'll see it. You'll see it. Check the fuck out of him. He know heart and bridges. Get your motherfucking ass over here, man. Talking to the god- Get, sit down. Yeah, nah, yeah. Yeah, you need that something. My daddy said run this play for me. But we asked the chat-

You bring Mike Malone in there, bitch. It's definitely going. We asked the chat that Tim deserved to be fired. 56% of the chat says yes, he does. We have a lot of New Yorkers in this chat. They were smoking the Tim's Pack of Well. So that brings us to the next point. Who's available that would be a good fit

for the Knicks at head coach? You're talking about Mike Malone as a potential option. He should have given us some options. Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins. That's the guy from Memphis, right? Taylor Jenkins? Yeah. He did good with Memphis.

I feel like New York got the perfect New York tight team. I mean Memphis ran like a three little guard offense. Right, three little guard offense. When they was good, like Memphis. Well, he made each team good. Think about it. Jaren Jackson died, was in the area, still was in the... Mike Budenhozer.

No, you might as well keep the guy you was. Fire. Ben. Sam. Who? Mark Jackson. Mark Jackson. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam.

Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam.

Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam.

Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Why don't he no more? Mmm. You feel like he has... Like, think about it. You won't wonder, I don't know. What he did with... We did have Mark Jackson here in the arena. He said that he would be interested in getting another head coaching job. I guess New York is at a place where they can't try out a coach who don't have no experience. Go get that.

So even if you try Sam Cassell, we don't know what his offense is gonna look like. He hasn't been able to show who he is yet. Go get Patrick. So he needs one of them younger jobs so you can see his offense, you can see his defense, you know what I mean, see what his signature is. Hey Patrick, you wanna coach us somewhere? Go get Patrick.

Also, I have Darvin Ham, a coaching. He wouldn't move, New York mother fucker. Bring everybody back. coaching somewhere, go get packed. Also, I have Darvin Ham, a coach who's very good with the leg. He run and mow a New York motherfucker, bring everybody back. Shit. Coach by committee, get the whole celebrity row. Let Ben Stiller get a game too.

Might as well. Jalabay. Spike Lee out there, I was about to say the same thing. Might as well go ahead and try out Spike, God damn it. Y'all trying anything at this point. You're here the longest. But seriously, Mike Mal You all trying anything at this point here in the longest. But seriously, Mike Malone got roots in New York, born in Astoria.

Who's worse, Cowboy or the Knicks right now? As far as what? As just making it back to, cause it's been a long time for them too. 25 years is a long damn time. Easton Conference Finals? Just making it four finals. Like, they ain't won shit in like every year they get.

There's things that ain't won yet. Oh, yeah, you're right. There's things that ain't won a motherfucking thing. Ain't sniffed nothing. But I guess for New York, because they're a prominent team. Yeah. Right? So that's all that is.

Big market. That's what I'm talking about. Eddie, so that's all that is. Big market. Also have Eddie Franklin as a potential option as well. Who? Whoopi Goldberg's character in the movie. Oh. Awesome success coaching the Nick squad. This hard-eyed. It ain't my business.

Doc Rippers. Like, let's just look. Doc! Get a content creator. Okay, at this point. You know what I mean? Just go for the views. Just go for the views, man.

That's how they had it, shit. They had it, right? I don't know how hard it is to say, get a ball of Brunson. That just it. Do what y'all did last year. If I just got to sit there and do it and just serve motherfuckers in and out and out I can probably possibly do that but when you talk about a name like Mike Malone though He does have a connection to the Knicks obviously born in New York. His dad Brendan was on Jeff Van Gundy staff back in the day Did win a championship? Hey, man, I'm a fucking pain you man. You said his name like full-time

He is paying me. Oh, yeah, yeah Jeff Jeff Van Gundy? Return? Man. The problem with them old, the old. They ain't been whipped. They ain't been whipped yet. Like this is new school basketball. But he got a taste of it.

He's been on the bench with the Clippers. Oh, shit, you're right. So he's on the bench with the Clippers. You got a taste of it now. Yeah, he's on the bench with the Clippers, you got a taste of it now. They used to work together. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He on the bench with the Clippers, man. I, yeah, I would... One thing for sure, you're gonna play the right way,

you're gonna play hard, and you're gonna defend, and you're gonna, yeah. The chat also saying Jay Wright was coaching Villanova for that crew. One of the 90 he's been chilling on. Let me tell you, shut the fuck up. I love the chat. I'm bringing in old college goddamn coach man.

Jack Gil would like you to shut the fuck up. Okay, I don't know, cause I don't know. No, no. Okay, so none of them have ever been successful. Okay, sorry, I'm still on my Madden interview. He came and took their ass back. Okay. Like you know what?

Who you doing the interview with? That should be the name of the person. Only one Billy Donovan. Is Nash? Steve Nash? Like Billy Donovan, the only one that stuck around. The one for JJ? Billy?

JJ? The only one that stuck around, Billy Donovan. You got JJ out of that. So we've seen a major chip fall in the Knicks with Tibbs getting a fire. We talked about this yesterday on the show, but what other changes do you expect to see coming from this Knicks squad? Obviously some big names out there as potential trade

options. Talk about Kevin Durant, Giannis. Talk about the future of Kat with this team. We had the report yesterday from the Athletic that players had grown frustrated with his lack of defense and communication and as we say yesterday we know that rotation is very thin so only a few players that could have potentially spoke to the athletic about that. Look, I mean, listen, all the decisions at this point when you're talking about a team that's consider themselves right here, right?

You know, this is when you self-check who you are and really self-check your team. It's like us as players, we're going to the summer and really evaluate our, you know, no matter what kind of success we have, what do I need to work on, you know, for me to keep moving up? That's the same thing with them.

They're gonna really have to go and look at their roster and see which way they're trying to go. Because you can make one bad trade and it will fuck up the rest of you moving forward and y'all back rebuilding before you even know it. Same thing that happened to the Bucs, right? Same thing that happened to the Lakers where we decided to get rid of all our bigs.

Like, we good, we gonna double back and you got rid of two big, we was bigger than everybody. Then we get rid of the white Angerville and then lost a couple key pieces and been struggling ever since when we was right there. And Nicole been whooping your ass since. And then same thing with them. Denver, Denver you got rid of, you got rid of your,

KCP you got rid of your shooters, now you're with your browns. I am, either bit of this year. Defending, we ain thing with them. Denver, you got rid of, you got rid of your KCP, you got rid of your shooters. You got rid of your wing defenders. So you know, you have to be very careful and just keep, just adding, just add pieces that nobody's paying attention to. Yeah, because you got to keep them, like, I'm... OG, Hart, Bridges, like them dudes, like you gotta keep it. Yeah, like, OG, like... They make games when they're basketball players.

Like, OG needs to really... Like, I like OG's bones, right? I like, like, how he plays. I just think he's still raw, you know? And I think he just need to fine tune, like have a go-to move, have a second option. Like I would be focused in like a white place. You kind of got that feeling.

It's the same robotic, like but, It's a Pascal. But he was playing behind him in Toronto, playing behind Kawhi, playing behind Pascal. Yeah, so. So now it's like playing now it's like what my opportunity yeah so he's now he's getting the ball right now he's like shit i got when i when the bitch comes to me i gotta yeah he has to be a slasher ducking type guy yeah he got that

kawaii game though that shit is to the point is like i can see like when he do drive he still don't really know what he wants to do right he? He don't know, like he can't read that guy right there. Yeah, like the layup he smoked on the blade. Yeah, like it should be like when you go on your move, like whoever your trainer is, have three defenders in the lane and then work on moving around them. Like just your footwork.

Like you get by this guy and then your defense really starts in the lane. Somebody steps up. Cause a lot of, like I started watching this with a lot of youth basketball where all the defense is from the half court to the three point line, right? You got these cone, cone, cone, cone, cone,

cone, cone, cone, cone, cone, cone, like you're brunson, right? Like for the most part, that shit is unreal. And then when you get to the three point line, it's like a free layup and dunk. Yeah, that's not it. It's reversed Yeah, it's dribble down and then when you get to the three-point line now, it's moving the traffic so a lot of guys don't have that below the Free throw line game where all the traffic is Shays very good at that Lucas very good at that Brunson's very good at that

is. Shea's very good at that. Lucas very good at that. Brunson's very good at that. Like Kyrie. So, you know, he needs to work on that free throw below dribbling the ball, moving around people. Well, he has something that he little wide up here.

He got it. Yeah, he got to learn. He got to bump. He got to bump somebody going through it. Motherfuckers. That's what he is, man. Like, think about it. Every time he was driving and he's below the Frida line,

he's thinking it's a straight line. And see, I go, like, nigga, give me that. Long ass on. Man trying to put that body on him. See how I can use that against him. He used to play with those shoes. We're going to talk about the impact of trainers on basketball.

He used to play with those shoes. In just a moment. But back to Tibbs getting fired and this whole coaching situation going on that we've seen this season. Seeing coaches getting fired after winning titles right before the playoffs etc. Mike Malone we got booted with three games left in the season right before the Nuggets were trying to make a playoff push David Adelman ended up becoming their head coach getting that interim tag lifted but

is this trend of firing coaches going too far? Win yes yes successful coaches yes yeah players my bad player do you know I'm saying I do that we had coach of the years get fired right if you get a coach here nowadays you seem like you're gonna get booted don't short-lived I'm saying don't least your shorts you get that tag because they expecting something great in the next year so once you get that tag they expect to go out and win one when you don't. It's like, oh shit, this coach of the year, I guess he's not that good after all. Like, no. He's like, not that good.

I just, the idea of you give me the team and I'm supposed to coach him under, like it's... As constructed, right? Like Like you put this team together. Did you ask my input on these decisions that like... So you asked a coach and a GM to put a team together and a GM to put the same team, and I guarantee the list to be fucking different. Right? If you're gonna orchestrate your team, who would you want?

And then you, GM, and it'll be fucking totally different. Right? If you could orchestrate your team, who would you want? Put and then use the gym and it'll be fucking totally different, right? Who you think should get the minutes on this team you you point them out who you think should get the minute Versus the coach things good it's gonna be different And if these dudes ain't on the same page and I'm supposed to coach this team as constructed and then I'm coaching it as I deem fit But it's not good enough. Like and a lot of times those GMs are saying here here's the team figure it out. So they're saying that but they not is no most of those GMs now most of the GMs and the guys who are picking players they're not basketball players or basketball fans. They have nothing to do with basketball. They're coming from business, coming in crunching numbers. Right? And it the idea of using the word can't, right?

Wow, he can't play defense. That's not real. Kim is a nigga, is he cool to Kente? Both his feet get chopped off, right? What is structurally wrong with him not being able to play for you to use these words, like coming into draft oh he can't do this but that's what we're here for like I'm looking at the structure okay he got a nice little feel he got a right it boom boom boom he can do this he can do that oh no I can make him I can teach him how to play I

can give him the guidelines on how to be a guy who can't shoot If he has great mechanics all it is is reps Sit your motherfucking ass on this machine Five hours a day eventually he can shoot just like your job. You just got you couldn't do this bitch Until you start doing it right then you started working on it. Now you a motherfucker, president of the year. But the first day you wasn't him. So some of these decisions be made off of an idea that's not reality, right?

Give me the structure of the person. And that's why I said, when I made the thing, says, cat can't move, that's why I went back to watch. You know what? He's a little older went back to watch you know what he's a little older let me look and see what he'd look like as a younger dude so that's when I went put up his highlights and say it's a weight problem out in because he can move back it's the same build right same size 20 foot same lower body bigger than the upper body is not equally so you said the cat had a W

NBA body yes yes that's the body you said the cat had a W NBA body yesterday on the day Yes, that's the body now greatly when he was in them early years. No, he He was structurally sound so he has he just needs to lose weight just like Luca, right? He can't play defense He can't play defense. He just ain't playing defense lose 20 pounds. Now, let me see and to your point, right? defense lose 20 pounds now let me see. Yeah and to your point right there is so much emphasis on what guys can't do. Oh yeah. Like how tall he's not he can't so I'm gonna offer to give you a living breathing example of somebody Scottie Pimpin Jr. right same shit.

So much to emphasize on he's not this high he's not this athletic you're not man damn he's not 6'5". Damn that he don't have a 48 inch ver. Cool. Ain't too many people on the planet do. But look at everything he fucking does. Yeah. Does excellent basketball play across the board.

Get the opportunity, somebody believe in him. So it's those decisions that these GMs and things are making that handicap these coaches. So you make these decisions, you bring me this list of who you think I should go watch or who I who we should draft. And then you miss on a guy and you but there's no questions to be asked now like, yo know why you didn't why he wasn't on this list that you gave me because I don't know what I'm looking

for I don't know my eyes don't I can't do my job yeah I can't do my job right now but I'm learning on somebody else's watch yeah absolutely and it's fine yeah yes so we asked the chat do NBA coaches have too short of a leash? A surprisingly sympathetic 81% said yes coaches have too short of a leash. Shout out to the chat. Yeah because this is a well um I want y'all to hear this here it is live and click go ahead say it Nick. It's the players league. Say it again. It's the players league. Yeah. Me ain't coming to see you coach. Look listen I'm gonna just. I'm gonna see you coach The players certain most players are not held accountable Yeah, I'll hold me so players are not held accountable for wins and losses

Those go on the head coach. So The talent that's on the floor and that coach have to coach that talent. Yeah. Those are two fucking totally separate things. One has nothing to do with the other. Because he didn't put the team together. So he has to go coach this team. If it's a new coach, the team is pretty much constructed when he steps in the door. This current situation as we speak. If nothing changes on the Knicks roster, this team is set. So whatever coach they hire, he has to come in and adjust certain things the way he coach.

If it's a veteran coach, he ought to adjust to these things. If it's a new coach who don't nobody know, good luck. Yeah, but it seems like the Knicks won't want to keep riding from back to back 51 season for the first time in 30 years Like you said, I think they have the talent the roster is there to in theory do that again or improve and build upon that next season So they think they have the talent where they can bring a new face in the building I'm assuming or or if you think you need like somebody that's been established already then you like that move and I'm great

I think that's the the Smart move already then you take that move. And I think that's the smart move, is to bring somebody that's been around, who them dudes know, respect, I don't know who that is, but you better go God damn find him, because... What is Brunson, dad? He's assistant coach or just...

Assistant? Oh. The legend Rick Brunson. He sit on the front of the bench. He sit on the front ofunson. He sit on the front of the bench. He's the assistant of the Knicks. He sit on the front of the bench. But at the end of the day, I mean, you know. You got to specify these days.

You got some coach that sit on the front of the bench. You got some coach that sit on the back of the bench. You got some that sit in the stands. You got some that ain't allowed to come on the floor. You got to stand in the back., you gotta stand in the back. Got some that stand in the tunnel. Yeah. He's got about 50 coated shoes.

Yeah, so he's his dad, he's able to sit on the bench, he's on the front row. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He on the front row. He get up every time out. Like in college, they bring the best player and they sign his daddy as assistant coach. Okay.

He gets to tell them about the gun line. I think we know daddy was already signed first, right? Daddy was on the staff already. Yeah, daddy was on the staff already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, daddy was already on the staff. They knew what they had up their sleeve, but let's keep this thing moving. Today's podcast is sponsored by Rough Greens.

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Let's keep this moving. So Luca Donchik was a guest on the Mind the Game podcast with LeBron and Steve Nash. Part one of that conversation dropped and there were some interesting takeaways from their discussion. One of the first things Nash asked Luca about was the experience of playing with LeBron. Unfair for the audience, we didn't ask you off

the bat what it's like playing together. How you feel playing with LeBron? I know you looked up to him as a kid and now you guys are teammates. I mean it's great you see. I've never played a guy like this. I you know just being traded to here to LA. It was different but just to play with guys like him, like it's unbelievable. Like I could learn so many stuff, you know. First of all, off the court, you know, all the things he does just to be ready for the game.

And obviously on the court, everybody knows what kind of player he is. What, like, give me an example of a couple things you've seen, like being around him every day, where you're like, he does that, like what's he doing over there? Like is there anything that stands out initially where you're like, wow.

Well first of all, he shows up like 10 hours before he came. That was really the main, like I was, what? I came to the arena. For 22 years? He was already done working out. I was like, what? He shows up like 10 hours? Do you think LeBron's work ethic off the court

will rub off on Luca? If he wants to be great, right? If he wants to get to that next level, because listen, it's one of those things, man, where I look at just history itself and our favorite players, what they did, some of them just are so extreme to the point where no one mimicked it. Right? Michael Jordan, there was nobody who had a fadeaway like Michael Jordan, nobody.

Had Michael Jordan attributes, work ethic, right? You played with the motherfucker for how long and you couldn't do line drills like him. You didn't pick up nothing. Same thing with Kobe, right? Kobe had all these teammates. There was an amamba mentality in not nail one of them, right? That we can say like, okay, he's been working with Kobe, he's been around Kobe and he's learning his mannerism. So, the greatness doesn't translate like people would think it will.

So unless he wants to be a great, then he will pick up some of these. Most of the time people are just fans sometimes and people just want to coexist. So you know him, he's been coming for 22 years, 10 hours, 1 o'clock, 12 o'clock. You ain't heard another player doing it and his whole team knows it. Right? So you know it's really all into you. If you want to be that, if you want to be next level, you will start implementing some of these things into your game. Yeah.

I'm just saying, everybody work different. Everybody's aptitude for what LeBron does and what Kobe did, what Mike did, what these certain guys have done, it's not that. Not to say that he's not gonna be great. He just pick up on just a percentage, right? Whatever percentage of what LeBron has done for his duration, right? Just picking up a percentage of it. Certain things. He ain't gotta come to the arena eight hours before the game. A lot of us and a lot of people that have been around think it's fucking ridiculous that he gets to do it early.

What can you be doing all this time? Guys have been great that's come there three hours before the game, get their work in, and it has been great. So it just depends on what you need in order for you. So him to pick on some of the things, yeah. What it is, maybe the conditioning part maybe it's just it's that right? Maybe it's what do you do to stay in this shape that you're in like your condition your cat

Cardiovascular shape. What do you do? I Want to mimic that if it's just that that helps that helps to me. Yes, right. Mm-hmm Your chef, what are you? Whatever it is if it's going to help, yeah. If there's certain things you know that he's not going to do, he's not going to pick up on certain things because he's not LeBron James. So has he, this time that he's been there,

has it benefited? Absolutely. And it's going to benefit him when LeBron is gone, absolutely. I mean, you look at LeBron, for all the talk, whatever, you're 22, second team on the NBA. Go to your point, you see guys like Kobe, Brian, MJ, players that join those organizations, and it's just because they don't want to get to that level,

they don't think they can get to that level just because it's too hard, right? It's hard to stay consistent with the grind and with the work, especially in cities like Dallas, LA, with ample culinary offerings. Some people don't get the opportunities, too. Some people don't get the opportunities that bronze and them have too a lot. They don't get a chance to make mistakes so it's easy to say to show up early and shit and do all

that. The bronze gonna play his minutes no matter what. So I said you can put like Ken said, little things, mindset. You don't have to be getting there 10 a.m. in the game at about seven o'clock shit. So. Yeah, and then my thing is with these guys that's worked this hard, right? Or guys who put time in that we think just, I'm gonna take Cobra Fist.

There's been documented stories told by Olympic teammates and other things when they in Vegas doing that Olympic trial when they out there, other guys coming from the club, he's going to the gym and things like that. So you have those guys, right? The guys like yourself work out at 2, 3 in the morning who didn't drink when you played and certain things. So you have those guys, right? The guys like yourself work out at 2, 3 in the morning who didn't drink when you played and certain things. So you have those special players, right? He still can't do that. I hate that. Yeah, like certain guys can, but the majority of athletes are programmed to work out at a certain time and they're working on certain things and once that is covered and once I,

there's no going back over that. Not like the Kobe's to get like guys that's perfected certain parts of their game, right? Everybody is not that. So you can't expect that from Luca. I hope Lakers fans don't put that on him, right? Expect him to be this version of like, he's not gonna be there. He's gonna be Luca. I hope Lakers fans don't put that on him, right? Expect him to be this version of like he's not gonna be that. He's gonna be Luca. He's definitely gonna be in his first five, six, first team all-NBAs being the way he was

in Dallas. It can only enhance him whatever he decides that can help him. So does Didco, Did Mike, Hazel LeBron offered these guys to whoever they might have saw something in? Because you can't tell like there ain't been one teammate. Yeah, Scotty, Mike had Scotty, Bron had Kyrie, there's certain guys along the way that you have, do you invite them in to this? Is what I'm at, so. History, no. And why not? Because the idea of me inviting you to be great

should be you. No, it's the work. No, no, but that, no. We all work, right? No, no, but to the idea of, if you consider this person great at what he does, if you wanna be great, you should be wanting to work out with me. So it's an ego. But I could want that,

but you know we prideful. Yeah. You know we prideful, right? That's usually the part, but. So pride comes before the fall normally. Yeah. And that's usually the thing where, like even if you listen to Cove, right,

when he wanted knowledge, if he wanted his knowledge, he asked, hey GP, Gary, can you help me? How do you defend? So the fact that he does it, if you want something from him, you gotta ask. Because he's not gonna just give it to you. I got you know what I mean I got it's like one of those things and I got it more of an NBA player We are at a certain level and if I see you doing something My ego cuz I don't I don't know how you gonna look at me if I'm a yo King

Hey, you know, how did you how do you get this jumping about you do this? I don't know if you're gonna look at me as I'm A.O. King? You know, how do you get this jumpin'? How do you do this? I don't know if you're gonna look at me as weak by asking you. Right? And that's usually what happens in just all facets of life. Right, because you got Mayweather,

and I'm sorry, like, some of you boxers, y'all haven't sat down with that man? Y'all haven't sat down with that man and said, man, fuck this money, fuck the money man, I want the motherfucker who lost. Pretty boy. Yeah, I want the one who lost in the Olympics. What was that mindset?

I want him, I want the person who, the five and O, him. I don't want 41, that's a machine at that point. What did you do before you became robotic? But, so now you're coming. Into your movement, cause you you know if a guy does ask People have guys been ignored. Yeah, that's the thing right if a guy has reached out and guys have been ignored Can you hear them? So you hear that? I tried mother. I'm still waiting on the answer

Yeah, we both have been retired for 12 years I done checked the niggas, he said, who is this? I told him. Yeah. You said that's all you need. That's what's up. That's what's up. Yeah, because it's like I just, because it's all cool to hang out.

We can go, we can go to the club, go find all that shit. All fine and then go drink a glass of wine together. We do all this shit together. But when I want to come in here to do this with you, it's like, ah. You don't like working out with him, my brother. Don't give up the recipes. My thing is, so this is, and I have a heart, if it's your teammate, right? And we supposed to be in this together trying to win together, right?

And if I ask you, hey man, what time you go to the gym? You tell me before, I'm like, hey, I'ma come, and you change the fucking time on the nigga. Like, yeah, like, it's like, I thought you said four, like, you're like, hey, I just, like, what do you do? It's that four, right?

But how often do you guys, when you doing this work? All the time. Well, I'm saying, when somebody wants to come do it with you, it's like, no, this is my thing. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. You're coming up messing up my head. When we played, listen, when we played, we went to our respective cities. A lot of the guys, a lot of guys live in LA now.

A lot of guys live in these big cities now. But when we're done, when the season is over, dudes are on the very first thing smoking home. So we do our work in our own town. I don't see where we're from man At the end of the summer deuces going to Vegas Yeah, but you didn't see dudes when the season was over right so it was that going on vacation first it's one of those things where like All right, like if I'm if I'm Luca, right and I know LeBron James gets at this gym at Ten o'clock or you know, let's just say noon, right, on game day.

I'm gonna go. I'm going to mimic first, right? I'm just gonna be a fly on the wall. Just to see what, just to see every, I'm not gonna interrupt nothing. I'm just gonna be a fly on the wall the first day, see what he does, right? To see if there's any downtime where I don't

think it will interrupt his original movement because this is his, this is his space, right? So when you say, oh yeah, I'm gonna come at one, that might fuck up everything he does, right? So I got to find and see like, oh, right, alright, hey, what does your night look like? You know what I mean? Try to figure out how I can be a part of it without interrupting his norm. And that's one of those things. Like, all right, you work out three times a day. Hey, do you mind working out a four for like 40 minutes,

you know, with me and then maybe that's it. But I know those three, those are some selfish threes. Right, I don't wanna work out with you motherfucker. You know what I mean, daddy? You know what I mean? That's the sort of, you know, that's it, but I know those three those are some selfish threes. I don't want to work out with you motherfucker You know I mean that ain't like oh You know that's my shit. I've been doing for 15 years you know you're not coming in So you're gonna have to all to give me something else well I'm off for getting there whatever yeah Going the game and Sam he got a lot of down. Yeah, I need to know That's your facts. I mean okay

You go sleep you gonna do the abs you gonna do the you that shit facts. You know what I mean? Okay, he going to work now. He going to sleep, he going to do the abs, he going to do the... He got a second thing of abs. Hey, maybe he don't need this second motherfucker of abs. He don't need this second thing of abs, nigga. He don't need this next hour abs. Can you... How much core you need?

How much core you going to work on though? You only got one of them. Working out with Covey, he invited us to Orange County to come work out like at 4.35 the morning and he got there I think an hour early and his main thing was to see who was gonna get there first. Yep. Swaggy, when did you get there? It was late, motherfucker. Five.

I got there at five. But I'm coming from the Valley though. So I told him I was coming from the Valley. As soon as he told me that, Orange County. I would have left that night got me a hotel All week the but first I would have got a room down that bitch all week. He was sitting outside With the shades on just see who was the first one to come Say I want to see who's here light outside though. No shades with no light man. Look I treat everything like is a test man, especially when certain people are doing

it. I wasn't the last. I wasn't the last. I wasn't the first, though. Listen to that man. Got it dry. A little agent dry. Had to show fur, that man.

Oh, you got to show fur. Yeah, I would have been there most of the time. Me, you say, I got a hotel there the night before, man. Yeah, just... Like, like we, uh, uh, Elijah, you know, USC started practice. Right, they got, like, uh... You got to... ...unvoluntary shooting, right? So, you know, you just show up, 8.30.

Technically, because he's still in school, he's not allowed to show up, right, and work with the team. So I said, you gonna be there at 7.30. So, cause just, you still unofficial. So that's unlimited. So he just happened to be at the same place at the same time. No, no, so he can work out at 7.30. Okay.

Right, they start at 8.30 nigga, you start at 7.30, you work out at 7.30, they do eight, and then they finish, you go again, you go again and go again and go again That's what you're supposed to do right because the coaches want to see who's there They're trying to figure out who wants to play basketball Right. They want to see who who is them guys, right? So you have to show because you're still in school and they're they're out and they're in school right now You got gotta be around, right?

They're trying to build bonds and you don't wanna be the dude that's coming in at the end and they already done clicked up. Yeah. They don't already clicked up. It's hard after that. So it's one of those things, man, is when there's a job opportunity on the line

and there's things to be, hey, get your ass early Hope you say show the fuck up at 430 because you got to think about it 430 what there no one down there? Nobody is an orange cow. He's yeah ain't nobody on this team. Everybody lived downtown Marina del Rey the Valley right so you're Automatically three hours. Yeah two and a half hours away, right? So you're automatically three hours. Yeah. Two and a half hours away, right? No traffic. 3.30 in the morning. You get there about 35 minutes if you drive with the appropriate dedication.

Yeah. If you're speeding. You're speeding? Yeah, I got there. So you're basically leaving three in the morning. At that time of morning, you leave at three. Yeah, so basically- You get there at four. Yeah.

So basically, he's basically saying, nigga, y'all better not go to sleep. Thanks for the good. Yeah, don't go to sleep. I want to see who's real. I hate that morning shit. Looked up at that dress. You were more at afternoon.

Yeah, I'm on that. Hotel right next door to that motherfucker. I like that. I work out at night. Worst case scenario, slip right in the car. Get that Sprinter Vanny. He like to do like line drills to see if you're gonna beat him. Defensive slides and shit. But it's all testing, man.

It's all testing. He go over the same thing over and over and counter move to that. Do like 30 times, then counter move to that, counter move to that. So we saw Luca pull up to the Monday game by Bron and Steve Nash We got a sample of Luca and LeBron together last season after the trade February, but how good our fit?

Are Luca and LeBron together on the floor? Good time again I know that laser talk, boy. You wore it. You wore it. What are you talking about? This whole thing? I just had this thing in the closet. I don't like this motherfucker. You know that motherfucker that be cutting out the episode and everything. What are you gonna say? He'll work out like I thought he'd work out? Nah, y'all miss.

Hey, y'all miss the LeBron look. So how was it playing with LeBron? He gave me that. Say something. I did. You got that chick, motherfucker. Sing the songs I can tell you to. Right, yeah, somebody ever be like, man,

this nigga don't do that. He ain't like that. No, that's you in the video. All right, now let's edit. Yeah. We're pushing it out. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, this nigga don't work out. He about to make me look bad, God damn it. He just be up there chilling. Right. He don't even be doing shit. They do that shit too. Sorry, hearing my fucking stuff.

No, nobody ever did that. There was a question asked. Yeah, I was about to ask, what the fuck did you ask? Oh yeah, no, no, no, yeah, Lakers, yeah. 2026 champ. 2026 champ. Finally, D-Thon Jocker. Just like any team, man.

Just like any team, there's five possible that's, they're set right now of being in, you know, the Eastern Conference Finals, Western Conference Finals. And, you know, then there's another five that they're just one piece away of being in the Eastern Conference Final. And then from there, it's just luck getting to the chip and winning it. Right? I think we're one of those teams that's a good piece away, like a really smart piece and maybe another one? Hey, we probably need a plus one But I mean, you know, we don't miss or something. We know we need a big we know we need a big that can jump

We do we know we need that for Luca and how he plays and somebody who rim runs. Yeah, right You know Yeah, it's the end, yeah. You know. What's his name? Topper. Yeah. I think we can do it with Topper. But Topper's not a five, right? No, I'm talking about just one of those Jones.

You need a Jones. We need a five. We need a five. Yeah, but you need both, though. Now, it makes me question that fucking trade that we didn't do that mark Williams They kind of like taking this yeah Because I think if we'd have got him we kind of got we could have got a field of what we need

Then we just probably just need like I got a guy on your roster that played like over in good right now, I believe Before if I'm not mistaken who's that gentleman? Name is Viet Suu Bac wasn't he once a Los Angeles Laker? He was. He was. Oh, he's turned into a hell of a basketball player. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's had a lot. I think we want to change that since then.

We were not happy with that move, K. But you had a lot of them, though. Yeah, we. But I'm just saying, y'all need to fight. So this is a thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Zupac. But you, young big that plays with a guy that throws lobs,

that plays, huh, some of the Luke, I'd make the game hard. But what do I know, but say it again, you were saying? Johnny Wood? When did we get rid of Zubak, like six years ago? It was very unfortunate. But he was promising. Yeah, yeah.

Very unfortunate. But we won the championship because we got a couple of pieces in, so. Y'all got rid of them two bigs. Yeah, that was fucked up hard. It's hard to find bigs. We're not happy about that, is it? Yeah, we need a big.

Well, he had a big game plan, so. We're not happy about that, is it? Yeah, we need a big game playing, so. We need a rim running big and probably a rim running four. I think Jackson Hayes fits both of them, but y'all didn't play. He's just goofy. Bro. Huh? We can put him at the four.

No, we can put him at the four. I don't want this. You got to train him. You got to teach him. He's not five men big. He's four men big. We need a few athletic, we need a few athletic,

three, four, and five, because majority of our plays that we was like, okay, this is a good, and it's Vando who got cement feet, right? And he don't go up. You know what I mean? You going up, getting blocked by the backboard, like come on, dawg.

Hesitating. Right, if he had a 44 inch vertical, woo that's a great play right there but he don't he got a 35. That's just like that's me down there. That's me right I can double tap too probably maybe not but that's a double he double tapping at this point we need somebody when they come up and dip off because he what he does great is he do cut he slash great ducking guy just don't have the length or the height to really finish plays at a very high club He has a tank like because he can't jump But I'm really listening how many things you think can make the finals like like in a big as they are right now good

One okay see for sure Any in the steel never any other piece away One for you. OKC for sure. Indiana one. Denver Steel. Denver. Indiana a piece away. Fuck no. Calves. But then Calves. I think I said Indiana another piece away.

Because Indiana in the finals right? Yeah in the finals. Couldn't win it. The whole East got hurt. Couldn't win it. Yeah and they ain't got shit to do with them. They play a healthy team. They play a healthy team They played a healthy team. They just be no they'd be that healthy team. Yeah, they didn't the other two teams

We get there guys to do with them. Okay, I'm just saying so I'm not I'm just saying right now if everybody's all healthy Denver Okc Cavs Indiana beat the Hurts. But New York beat Boston and they was the champions. Yeah, they beat a Hurt Boston. No, no, no. But they were beating Boston.

They beat in Boston. No, I mean, I still gave them the benefit of the doubt, but it's still like, but they wouldn't have beat a healthy Cavs. They wouldn't have beat a healthy Cavs. They beat Boston, the team beat Boston. Beat Joe Lewis, son. That's Joe Lewis, that's another series. That's another series.

That's like the Cavs, the Cavs versus New York. Cavs would have beat them too. Who? New York. Cavs would have blew New York out. It's the same team, but what more scores? And a go-to guy, and a good good option too and a great defense back there. They had a whole this was the most balanced team.

They just got hurt. So I say there's only like as is and we restart the season. OKC Denver Cavs. I mean, you can't we can't say Boston because they're you know, what's her name is out. So I'll say those three have the highest probability of possibly going. Normally, Ryan, with you, but they four-one New York. Or four-two. Bro, you start my New York, man.

New York, when it got by them, it's a different team, different layout. I'm not talking about New York. They beat the Cavs. Did I say New York? They fired the Cavs. Because they got hurt. And you had a Denver with an Aaron Gordon hamstring.

So I'll say about three. What do you think? Like that if we restart like or what's that fourth one? The team best player Indiana. Yes Yes, the team that made it you saying so right now they can win it Yeah, No, I'm not talking about, we're saying if we started over, you saying that Indiana Pacers will beat a Cavs. A healthy Cavs team? Indiana's second best record in the league since January 1st,

only team with a better record, the Oklahoma City Thunder. Just throwing that out there. Including playoffs, regular season playoffs combined. I don't, a healthy Daris Garland. I don't, a healthy Darius Garland. The rest of the motherfuckers just soft. I get Darius Garland. Hey, not a fan of them skipping game too? Oh, he had a real injury, so fuck the rest of them dudes, man.

If you miss a game, you got to stay out for multiple. No, you finished the first, you finished the game before. You walked off the floor. So if you walk off the first, you finished the game before. You walked off the floor. So if you walk off the floor, you better walk your ass back off. You gotta goddamn try. At least. I'm trying to figure out who did that.

Every mobile and goddamn DeAndre Hunter. Game two, yes. Nigga, they finished game one and set out game two. And Indiana won, god damn it. Like. That did happen. I can, I'll put, I'll put Indiana in because I, like I don't think, I don't think they,

they not, they're not far off. I put them there because of who they got on the sideline. Yeah, I'm not yet. Rick Carlisle is a hell of a, the way he do it, I've been, but he is a hell of a basketball coach and he does have a championship with a similar, similar team. Well, well, well. I said similar. Well, Dirk is a different... I said similar. No, no, no, no, but he had a piece over there that made him smarter. Yeah. He wasn't smart before that piece got there.

That piece of Jason Kidd. I got you. Who coached him on how to coach. Okay, so he learned that, right? He learned. I dig it. I'm with you. I can give four.

Like, if they run it back, I can say these four. Everybody else needs a piece. And Benjamin Mathen, we're in the woods. Yeah. Like, this is... Yeah. So I... Yeah, I think everyone still needs a piece. And Benjamin Mathis. Yeah, I think everyone, everyone still needs a piece. Those four can probably run it back as is and be successful. Everybody else needs a

piece. I think about matchups. I dig it. I roll with that. I don't know. Like I feel like if Demer would have played Minnesota, Minnesota could have won. They can't be OKC, but they got a chance of beating Denver and going to the finals. Yeah, but it's a healthy Denver team, a healthy Aaron Gordon, Mike Porter healthy, Paul Byrd not coming off of it. The Janky Cavs.

Janky Cavs. They did it before. The one he packs on the court. That's what I'm saying. I think it's about matches. Like I don't- It's all about, but yeah, that's what I'm saying.'s I think it's about matches like I saw about but But like if I'm going into the playoff that one I'm saying is the first thing I restart it who needs upgrades those four teams can All right. Yeah, they were actually they were pretty much the same thing last year. Well, it just needs they just need just more reps Yeah, speaking of upgrade we saw a little last year. And or a different coach.

Before Steph went down, they were whooping, minutes away. And then that team was trying. Speaking of upgrades, we saw Luca last year. Seemed to be battling some conditioning issues, looked a little bit more plump than we would have hoped. Showing you pictures of Luca looking slimmer this off season.

Here's how he looked on a recent trip to his old Euroleague team, Real Madrid. Plump as Madrid. Went to check out one of their games. Zemp. Lou Zempik and some of them. He got on Spanx. Zemp for sure. That head is. Enjoyed by a larger gentleman. Left mine at home today but normally we're in the arena. But that's not all. Lakers fans are taking a huge interest in Lucas diet this offseason. In fact they've gone as far as to follow his wife on Instagram to see what she's cooking for dinner. LakeshowYo recently posted this update on Twitter. Let's take a look. See look at that little stir-fry. A little porch. Okay Luca Donch's wife cooking healthy food. League is in trouble next season. Look how healthy all the vegetables in here.

Look how healthy all the vegetables in here. Carrots, stock. Carrots, peas, you know what I'm saying? A little porch, a little porch, okay. You're gonna be kidding me, right? Oh, Lakers fans will bully the greatness, good. You know this. That's... They saying that's a good ass meal?

For Luca, yes. Let my wife cook that shit right there. She getting cheated on. He crazy as shit. I don't know what that was. Exactly, good. That's the point. Nah, nah, you better cook for me. Stir fry, a little stir fry. Tons of vegetables. I don't know what that was exactly good. That's the point

I'm going to my side chick house If I mean like that, I'm going to decide your house Look better. That's why but in all sincerity we saw cliff of a younger Luca what he was able to do on the court That's soup That's soup. That's all he needs. That's all he needs. He don't need no catfish. Zucchinis in there is all types of good delicious vegetables. He don't need to go to the Kenyan house.

His ass be big in the muffler. He don't need the jerk ribs. Yeah. All he can eat is that shit and stay skinny. But what type of player would Luca look like? Vegan. So he's probably vegan. Probably going vegan for the summer.

Some. Some Zempi. Elephants are the biggest people on the planet. They don't eat nothing but vegetables. Y'all don't eat. Gorillas don't eat. They don't eat. They don't eat.

They don't eat. They don't eat. They don't eat. They don't eat. They don't eat. They don't eat. They don't eat. Is probably vegan probably going vegan for the summer some some Zempi elephants the biggest people on the planet and we number vegetables Y'all don't gorillas. We really don't eat nothing but goddamn fair. They're the biggest thing on the planet Y'all go motherfuckers talking about you want to eat fucking vegetables like let's kill her though. Oh protein Fuck eat all state goddamn it. Fuck. I don't know but that ain't the fucking answer man But you know that motherfucking room, man. In all sincerity, what type of player would Luca look like

if he were- Fuck, the dinosaurs ain't eatin' nothin'. Certain dinosaurs ain't eatin' nothin' but vegetables, man. And they are no longer with us, but they, whatever they were doing, they couldn't sustain. They were some of the biggest creatures on the planet. They couldn't sustain.

Elephants are the biggest, name something bigger than elephants walking around right now. He'll eat nothin' but motherfucking leaves. Oh, that's sick. Fucking gorilla. And plants blowing you up, yeah, I'm going. I could've eaten about a pound, he eats bags.

We talked about this to a player's like, and being a similar conversation with Luca, what type of player would Luca look like if he was in what you consider to be elite NBA conditions? Man, I don't know, shit, he probably be worse. All this shit, let him just get on the court. We talk all of this shit, right? About him not being in shape, his condition,

this, that, and the third. He's still out there, lost a bit, averaging fucking 30. Like, it can't look any different He's still out there, lost a bit, averaging fucking 30. Like, it can't look any different as far as the numbers go. It's... You think he'll jump higher? No, he's not.

He's athletically challenged. He's vertically challenged in that regard. He's gonna be the same basketball player. It's gonna, what are people expecting him to look like? That's what I'm saying. He's never gonna have a six pack. I think, I think- Good, can't you?

I think his first- That's not his body. From first two years, I think that looked up. He was a child. He could do 10 of these. I think that's what they think he is. 10 of these and 10 of these. And that looked, he still had body fat

when he got to the NBA. There he's there. He was a kid, he was a child when he got here. 17 years old, 18 years old, he was a fucking kid, man. So, probably was. He'd be a little faster. He'd be a little faster. Which way?

But, huh? He still get by everybody. Yeah, and that's the thing. At this, whatever he is, he still gets by everybody. Because it ain't about speed, like you said before. It's about foot placement. That foot placement, that... You know what it is?

Just like anything. Cause he looks skinny, he's better. Yeah. That's all that's gonna happen. Oh, shit, he playing defense. Oh, his defense is the way, yeah. He gonna get fluke, driven the fuck by him. He might need that weight though. His body though. That's what he's successful at times. Listen, him slimming down, he loses his advantage in the post because of all the arms.

Hear me out. Do you want Skinny Mello? No. Did you want Mello to get down to 215? Be like, look at me guys. I wish, because I ought to be able to guard him a little bit. But he's a good guy. He's a good guy. No. Huh? Did you want Mello to motherfuckin' get down to motherfuckin' 215? Be like, look at me, guys.

Hey, I wish. Because I ought to be able to guard him a little bit. But yeah. So not a swimmer, but Tom Morton. But still, no, it's just his body type. It's his body type. It's his body no matter what. Mello worked harder than anybody you could possibly imagine.

No, no, that's a fact. Listen, worked on that shit more than anybody, dog. I witnessed this shit. I played on the team with Mello Anthony for eight years of my fucking 15 Seeing the first hand. Did nobody work harder. It just it's his body type It's just what he is still busting your ass looking away everybody old mellow chunky mellow Okay, cool. You can say y'all you want Paul Pierce same busting your motherfucking ass Glenn Robinson busting your muck Larry Bird Busting your motherfucking you want me to keep busting your, Larry Bird, busting your motherfucking ass.

You want me to keep going down? The people who body type was a certain way. Giving y'all ass the business. Nicole Jokic, busting y'all ass. Joel Embiid, busting y'all ass. Carl Anthony Towns, kicking y'all ass. Y'all can say all this shit y'all want, right? I can't, it's, but everybody ain't gonna have that LeBron James 260 cut fucking like this shit.

It ain't gonna be that. Can we see like a Udonis Asimov, Kevin Love type metamorphosis? And he has some of his fat kids. Florida? He had, Udonis had to do that in order to keep his job in my head. Or Draymond, Draymond was fat as a motherfucker too. He's a fat kid. He's a fat kid. Udonis had to do that in order to keep his job in Miami. All right, Dre, man. Dre, man, was fat as a motherfucker, too. He was fat kid.

He was fat kid. Now, Udonis, at fucking Florida, had to lose weight when he got drafted. So being in Miami helped Udonis. He was one that benefited from that. But it's just certain guys that's built a certain way that's been successful. Dirk Nowinski, just guys that's built a certain way that's been successful. Dirk Nowinski, just guys that's built a certain way, it doesn't, it's not going,

they changed their frame, how they built it might change the fucking way they play the game. That's what I said. And have you seen that happen to players before? It could happen a long time ago. They change their stuff and they lose what made them special. I didn't see guys go the other way. Motherfuckers skinning them off and come out there and be like. Yeah.

All right. Oh yeah, Mike Miller was a fatty. Mike Miller was? Yeah, he was also on the plumper side. Yeah, but it was just like... But for the long run, he could help beneficial. Starting out. Yeah, I mean, you know.

Just play longer. Keeping your weight a little bit down every time you come out. I'm just jerking it. No, you just. I wish I'd stretch and shit all that, instead of just going to hoop. It wouldn't have helped.

Stretching? Well, certain people. Yeah. Just get off the porch. Yeah, as you get older, yeah. That's what I'm saying. It would help them play longer. You didn't stretch in college?

Nah. It didn't make you? You went to college first. We at the SC, though, so that's why. I mean, I think about Elijah. What he has waiting for him is a little concerning. As you know, he got an NBA stop. Uh-. So that's what I mean. I think about Elijah. He has waiting for him It's a little concerning. I don't need to get NBA stop That's what I'm saying. I'm just starting that I don't change. I don't believe medical staff. I don't believe medical staff

No, they do We say what? You see LA yeah, y'all got medical hospitals and shit. Very nice one. Absolutely, I ain't. Very nice. That's educational for students. We got a good one too.

And we take off, we don't say like, cause you're not rolling with us, we're not rocking with you, we say come on in. Come on in. What you need? Got the El Pollo Loco downstairs in the medical room. I had a lot of Michael Jackson with me. And a Pete, and a Pete coffee right there.

Whatever you need. Michael Jackson went there too, and he didn't make it out. Well, you know, when he got there, he was already in the upper room. Oh, fuck him. Nah, I'm not. I'm just kidding. It might change the way he played, man.

He has an advantage at being... We just housed him. ...the size he is, certain things. They... If Lakers fans and basketball fans are expecting if Luka Dunches loses weight and it looks different, that is going to make him a better, give better effort defensively than you're naive.

So whatever the way it looks like he can be. It's still a good. The position he plays and the people he guard. Yeah, it's just he has an advantage on one side of the ball and he's at a disadvantage on the other side of the ball. Yep. Because there's no, I don't get it,

you try to put him out there in front of Darius Garland. There's not a chance in hell that he's going to be ever stand in front of this guy. We just got power. We got power. We make motherfuckers change their body. If he talks. No, but it's still like what helps him offensively, right? These guys are athletic, fast. He can use that against them.

Yes. On the defensive side, them using... Help. Help. You know what I mean? So it's one of those things where you still have to implement structure around his disability that people can't straight line it. Yeah, you don't have...

There's not too, listen, people that's good on one side of the ball, and it's just, that's the fucking way it's been throughout this game. Like, a lot of guys that's really good defensively are they, eh, offensively, right? If you're really good defensively on ball defense, you probably shaky offensively and vice versa.

We gotta break away from this conversation because we got a special guest making his first appearance in the arena. He was one of the faces in success stories of the high school to NBA movement in the late 90s, early 2000s, six time All-Star, three time All-NBA selection during his eight seasons with the Pacers. He also won the most approved player award in 2002. Played in extensive 18 seasons, including styles with the Blazers, Pacers, Raptors, Heat, Seljicks, Suns and Warriors. Jermaine O'Neal, welcome to Gills Arena presented by Underdog World.

What it do fellas? That's my savior right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my guy right there. What's up fellas? That's my savior right there. What you kill balance. That's my savior right there. What's your kill? I'm just now man. Just out in Vegas man with my with my young see I had training over at impact So then I like the last six years

Okay, he's going to what SMU next season. Yeah That NIL bag must have been nice to go to this boy The mailbag must have been nice to go to this new boy. God is good. That old private school money, boy, I tell you, man. Amen. Amen. Hey, I will tell you, man, they doing a good job down there, man, you know, they raised, I think it was like

159 million over two years, I mean over two days. Oh wow. They can eat, man. They really can eat. The Lord giveth. Over two days, yo, man. That's money, that's a private school, that's money, man. They really can eat. The Lord giveth. Over two days. Over two days. It's money. It's a private school.

It's money, bro. Word. Hey, hey, wait. OK. Do I still have two years of eligibility? Does that work? I still got two. I still got two.

Jermaine, we appreciate you taking some time out of your schedule to come to the Gills Arena. So you were at the Eastern Conference Finals games in Indiana watching your patrons reach their second NBA finals in franchise history. So you were at the Eastern Conference Finals games in Indiana watching your Pacers reach their second NBA Finals in franchise history. When you look at this squad, what makes this Pacers team so special? They gotta be the depth, man. They do it by the numbers, man. They truly do it by the numbers and I watched them on television and actually being there in person, man, to see the way they move that ball. Obviously Tyrese Halliburton is

the motor that make the machine go and when he's super engaged and he's downhill, he creates so many opportunities. But also on the flip side of that, that depth, they defend too, right? They defend really well. And I like what they got going on. Obviously, Rick Carlisle is a hell of a coach. He's almost a genius in that huddle. And I've been on that side of the table with him as well. But I think they have more of a chance than people are saying, right? Obviously, OKC has had a hell of a year and hell in many ways, record years

in their point differential. But overall, I think the rhythm that the patients have right now, man, they have a chance of winning it all. So Kenyan talks a lot about just the atmosphere of Game Bridge Fieldhouse. And if you're not used to it, you're not experienced with it, it can be very overwhelming. Just how intense was the crowd there at Game Bridge for teams that come in and have to play against the Pacers at home?

Man, you know, it was crazy. I almost forgot how intense it was. Obviously, I hadn't been in a while, man. And being in that environment, man, I was sweating. I was like, I was about to get ready to go in the game, man. Those people love, love the Pacers there. And it's a hard hat town that loved the sports. And the belief is that basketball started there, which in many ways it did, but they support the team.

And obviously they have a young, exciting team now that they're really happy about. So they're gonna be really energized come game three. Man, some people don't believe in Indiana. On his couch. Yeah, I believe in it. Who don't believe in it? I mean, there's only one Indiana player I believed in and that was you.

You already know that. No, because it's like, no, no, because you know, my second, my second All-Star when I got snubbed, he got hurt and that's how I made it. So, you know, I always share a moment. I mean, you know, he got hurt and but I got that. So that's my guy right. Yeah, that's my guy right there because of it. Always telling that that's my guy man. You can save your dog. Hey dog, we tied together for the rest of our life. For the rest of our lives.

You know, so I do, I do, I'm with you. I think they can win one game. I do. Wow. In one game? Yeah, I got one game. This boy crazy. What you guys are good at is where they're excellent at on defense.

And because they do play big and their bigs are big bigs right I it's gonna be hard for miles to play inside out against this team and since they switch everything very aggressive if Halle does what Halle does and you got let's say six games three of those games it seems like he's disinterested offensively. And if he plays that style against them, it will show, right? If we get the Hallie that's trying to get a triple double, now we're talking about different series.

But it seems like he really goes in a game sometimes thinking, I wanna be a pure point guard. And I wanna get 10, 15 assists. And whenever he's at his best is when he's offensively engaged, coming downhill, trying to score which opens up the pass lane and usually he's only doing that three out of six games. Well, I'll tell you this on the mouse turn a deal, Hellcat was a load, right? And so I don't think that OKC has somebody like Carl Anthony Towns.

Right. He was tough to deal with all the dribble behind the three point line. You had to get on any fake that he, you know, that he gave and he was physical. I think Chad Holmgren presents that same level of problems. So I think that matchup will be a lot better for Miles Turner. Now, I would agree with you from a perspective of Hallett and Halliburton when he comes to you know When he wants to take over a game and when he wants to be second or third dairy, you know The thing with him is no being at that game is watching him

He's a basketball savant and you can see his eyes like he's always viewing the floor And I believe sometimes he believes if he sets the table for his teammates first They're gonna be in a better situation. And in some cases that is the truth, but it won't be that case against OKC. Because obviously we know they I think they had an NBA record all time and margin of points differential this year in their win. So OKC doesn't allow you, I agree they don't allow you to be passive because they'll go up by 30 quickly. OKC doesn't allow you, I agree they don't allow you to be passive because you know,

they'll go up by 30 quickly. But I don't think we're gonna see that same Tyrese Halliburton because he understood what that got him you know in this previous series I think was game five in New York where you know he wasn't very aggressive at all but I expect to see a better version of him. An even more intense version of, you know, come game one of the NBA finals. Yeah. Okay, see good in the half court defensively. Absolutely. Pace to play fast, man.

They're not going to give them guys a chance to be setting that defense up every possession. Like they get that ball out, man. He looking up the floor. They running. So that's the beauty of not having to play against that set defense every time. Like I said, Joe, I told the guys the other day, Joe, the Indiana team reminds me a lot of my Nets teams that made it to the finals.

They remind me a lot of those teams, right? We play fast, we defend, any given night somebody could have a big night scoring, but you know J.K. was going to be the staple, always, like Halle. And on any given night, Kerry could go for 30, R.J. could go for 30. I could give it to them. It just didn't matter. So you couldn't lock in on that. But we were going to play fast, and we were going to defend you no matter what. That's hard to stop.

I think that's the style of play that they've adapted to and that they are doing now which I think is going to be challenging for OKC. I didn't say it's going to get them to the top, but I think it's going to be challenging for them. Man, I would agree, man. They are almost identical to what style of play that you guys had. The thing that I do like about, and I would agree with you on that, anybody can hurt you on any given night.

That's a big thing, man. Nobody knew that, I think it was T. Bryant that hit those three threes that bust the game open. Yeah. In game six. Game six, yeah. Nobody knew he was going to do that, I mean, but that goes to show you how they believe in each other.

I will say this, too, that I don't want people to underestimate this. And them boys picking up full court like it's college. Hey, listen. That is a thing because they're trying to speed the game up so much. And just like you guys, even when the other team scores, they're trying to score again.

And I think if OKC can try to figure out how not to give up fast points, like you can't be worked all the way down the fucking court, the whole goddamn, you know, you sitting here bouncing, trying to get through the goddamn press, and then they come down and score two points. Eventually that way, you be like, God damn. Or it forces you to try to play that way.

Or it forces you to play faster than you want to play. Yeah, right it forces you now you got oh shit It's probably not it's great. So now you now you now you into this game That's they can't do it playing all fucking you alone, right? That's what they have with 58 plus fast Shane got picked up full court also dominated bench boy. There's multiple guys But they throw multiple guys that you're picking picked up full court. Also dominated bench point. There's multiple guys though. They throwing multiple guys at you picking up your full court. That's my friend.

He ain't dealt with that. So they got Dorton that does that for OKC. Yeah. They got TJ McConnell, Nim Har, Shepard, the other shooter kid, Neesmith. These guys picking you up full court. Of course. They just going to throw multiple guys at him

and try to win him out and make him get off the ball. Have to have Dorton bringing that motherfucker up. I'm gonna tell you what I mean. I think y'all got a chance, brother. Man, listen, we got more than a chance. I think y'all got a real shot. Y'all got a real shot. Y'all got a chance to win the game.

Yeah, that's what you are. How many more games you got? No, not multiple. I didn't even realize Pascal Siakam was even that damn fast until the pass game. He was- I'm about I get out. Right.

He was like a deer. Yeah. I mean, if they play at that, it reminds me a lot of when Phoenix, the Phoenix Suns, right. And they had Steve Nash, they just wore you down on just the offensive side, the fast break side.

They got the ball out fast and you had to sprint back. So imagine how to sprint back every single time. That should have some sort of impact on your feet when they get the ball back. You know, you go down on the offensive side, you might be a little bit tired. So them three balls may not be falling because your legs are tired.

All right, man, I give y'all like, it could go to game, it could go to game six. But okay, see you got balance. It could go to game six, man, but you know okay, see got balance. It could go to game six man, but you know they both So jail, let's talk a little bit about Tyrese Halliburton He was voted as the most overrated player in the league by some anonymous players as Proceeded to start cooking since doing that a lot of people thought he should have been the Easter Conference finals MVP even though

Not disappointed DCC. I can do it based on what everything he did But how impressed are you with Halliburton's emergence in these playoffs and really these last two playoffs? And it's crazy like the overrated thing is kind of crazy to me man I think a lot of it is man to be a superstar in our league man like you have to you have to learn that process and I think you know what he's been doing is again he's a basketball survive and he's a past first point guard you know trying to learn how to take over games you have to give him a little bit of grace when it comes to that I think from a perspective now he's getting it he's starting to

understand it and he's been impressive you know throughout this process you know of the playoffs where he's making big shots game-winning shots you know he's having bounce back games and he's staying consistent. So I'm not really surprised. I watched the Pacers play. He's been doing a lot of that stuff all year. I think the biggest issue that he had with this overrated thing was, you know, the, Hey, I'm gonna go for 30 this game and I'm gonna come back and I got 12 or 10 or nine or whatever it is the next game. And I think people don't really know how to evaluate that when they see that they look at it as inconsistency.

And in many ways, he's trying to be the best version of himself a lot like Jay kid though, came with what you said, you know, Jay kid can hurt you in many ways, but if he sets that table, his team is that much better when he's setting the table. Being aggressive, putting pressure on the rim and then it's everything else comes easy.

I think he's getting, I can see what he's saying and why somebody would say overrated because the scoring part of it is inconsistent, but that's just how he plays. There's no different than that. You got to treat them like the Magic, the Stockton, all of them, where they're not trying to score 30 every night. So you can't compare them to Shay,

you can't compare to Luca in a Brunson style where There are points to sitting here, right? You just got to look at the totality of how they play the game and judge it game to game Impact that he's having impact. Yeah, even though I have 10 today. I got 14 assists, but I have no turnovers Yeah, so it's that shit, right? It's the things that you know We don't care about that for the average fan don't know to look at, right? 15 and no turnovers, 14 and three turnovers, 15 and two. Those matter.

Those are extra possessions that we're not giving it to the other team. So those things matter when we're talking about winning basketball. Yeah. But I guess it always depends on who's evaluating it, ain't it? Yeah, you know, if you bust my ass, you overrated. So you know that's how players do it.

You know what I mean? You talk a lot of shit, you overrated. You know that's really how this game goes. You can't give the player shit to vote. Hey, J.O., speaking of playoffs, right, I think we were the last group that played first round five games. I suggest that they go back to the first round five games. Which, I know it's a money thing.

I get it's a money thing. I know that, but for the competition of it and because they do it backwards, right? During the first round, you got three days off in between the games. Next round, you got less games. Conference finals, you got one game in between. So I think if you do it that way, first round five games, next round you got less games, conference finals you got one game in between. So I think if you do it that way, first round five games, there's less

rest in between those first five games. It's a shorter first round and you make motherfuckers come out and hoop. Yeah no no I'm with you on that but I think the problem is what these teams getting their ass beat so fast in the first round. They gotta give them some more opportunities, man. Because I mean, I've never seen so many 30, 40-point blowouts in the playoffs. Like how is that a thing? And tricking games off at the end as well, right?

This has been one of the craziest playoffs, blowouts and blown leads to give the game away. But if you watch it but if you watch it if you watch it came on There's just things that when we played There was there was Educated players on the court that didn't do certain things There was just certain things you didn't do at certain moments of the game

Because you weren't in position because you wasn't in position to go now You know if I threw it if you you doubled to me and I threw it to the guy you came off of Back then he was smart enough not to shoot the ball Right. There's a reason they doubled off for you because you is the weakling the weakling didn't just chuck shots up Yeah, just cuz he got the ball now He was smart enough to you know, huh and it's you but back to you give the ball back like I'm gonna get out the sky parlor and he shot a three-boy you would lose your shit that you lose your shit just imagine a turn five we call it a turn five and they came from this guy and I had to throw it there first to

then try to get it back to run our play and he shot it. You over here like, nigga, what the fuck are you doing? Right, because back then you still had to run the play because that's the bread and butter. Now, you know, you got plays and I'm sitting here like, yo, that's not the time to shoot the ball. You taking this shot, you taking this shot, why y'all never, and I'm just seeing a whole lot of people who who's you supposed to be on

the court because you are an efficient player but this is not your time to be doing what you're doing and it's causing a lot of mistakes during it the worst time of the game now I'm gonna say I say this your man y'all is crazy just say this man I think like this analytic thing is getting people fired. It's getting people fired. It is completely taking away time and possession, right? You know, remember when we were playing, you get down 18 in a playoff game.

It is, you mean, you got to be thinking about the next game. Right? That shit's over, right? You're not about to come back down, you down 14-17 with two and a half minutes to go and you lose a game? That didn't happen. But that would never happen, bro. If you down 20 going into the fourth, boys,

Shit. I'm telling you, you're thinking about, okay, we got to get these boys out of the game because we got to get ready for the next game. But now in the NBA, a 20-point game can But now in the NBA a 20-point game can be dissolved in a matter of like three minutes and So, you know, it's crazy that I asked these coaches that may do you guys not talk about time and possession? I get the three ball y'all like shooting the three ball over the two, you know

If it ain't at the basket then you know, it's got to be a three but this this shit is crazy You mean how these teams are tricking off opportunities man and then the style of play where, you know, you got one person holding onto the ball the entire time, the entire possession, and then taking the contested shot and then allowing other team to run out. So I don't really recognize a lot of that style of play, but I will say,

if you're trying to win a championship, man, you've got to get the ball to the right people. You've got to understand time and possession. You've got to understand who to get it to, when they need to get it to. And you're not seeing a lot of that. That ball does end up in the wrong people's hands a lot, especially bumped up against the shot clock. So I can talk about Pacers fans.

Halle being voted overrated, but got a lot of love amongst Pacers fans. So one fan took his admiration of the choke Selly moment and gained one of the Eastern Conference finals to a whole nother level. We got a clip right here for all y'all to check out. Wow. Wow. Got the Halliburton tattoo on his calf with the words, with the Halliburton. So Jay, when you see stuff like this, what's your reaction?

Just the love that Hallie's getting from these fans obviously second finals appearance of franchise history but getting another man tattooed on your calf like that? Right. That's crazy. That's crazy. Listen, I appreciate the love man, obviously, you know, they love their Pacers, man, and rightfully so, but damn, like, that's not even the originator of the choke sign. Like, if you're going to do it, you got to put Reggie

on there, though, if you're going to do the choke sign. But, I don't know, I mean, I guess different strokes with different folks. Who winning? Who winning? Y'all team or this team? What? The semi-game.

I don't know. Who the fuck you think you? The semi-game. I don't know. Who the fuck you think you're talking about? Which team? I don't know. Oh, he's saying, oh, your. His team. Oh. You talking about with me, Ron, and Tom?

We went there for sure. Oh, yeah, that's man. You think so? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're going real. Ron always say that he, that's his biggest let down. He mad he like didn't get you a championship. He used to say that on

the team. That 0-4, 0-5 thing. Meta World Peace said that he thought that team could win a championship. Obviously, that was the year of the mouse and the palace. But Jay, when you look at that squad, you think that 0-4, 0-5 squad, do you agree with Meta World Peace saying that that was a championship level team? Oh, absolutely. Remember now, we had just lost in the conference finals the year before. And obviously we had some challenges internally and we got that far. And so we knew coming back, all of us came back early. I think we might've showed up to Indianapolis maybe almost

a month and a half, two months early and just started training together. We felt like we had the team, had the roster, most importantly had the experience to go out and win it and then obviously, you know the situation happened and it derailed it but We definitely had a team that was built to win and not only win that year But when you know can at least be in position to compete, you know for a conference championship and the NBA championship You know year over year, but it just didn't happen that way And the fact that I left the conference to also helped y'all ass as well Hell no, listen, we at that point we was already ready to go. Come on. The team that we had bro we had interior defense we had perimeter defense that we can score it at the same time so you know and then getting Jack Jack really helped change the dynamic from a from a toughness on the wing perspective, big guard, big wing.

And then obviously Jamal Tinsley, he was a general as well. Now y'all was happy to see me go, don't lie. Nah, no, no, we thought, listen, we was planning on putting boot dads, everybody. At that point, we was like, whoever they put in front of, we ready to put some boot dads. So JL Kenyon obviously prized himself for his defense. Y'all met and faced each other in the playoffs.

What was it like having Kenyon guard you in those playoffs series matchups? He was a tough, Kenyon was a tough defender. I mean, he was, you know, obviously I was big on him, but he always was able to get low. Like this nigga was always low. Like I'm like, well, how does this nigga is low? And every time I come down the court.

So, but it was, I'm gonna tell why is this nigga this low? And every time I come down to court, so, but it was, I'm gonna tell you, it was a lot of, that era was a powerful era too, right? And so the level of respect that we had for each other, you know, obviously we knew each other, we had played on the USA team together, but it was like, it was war every time. Like it was, I know we had one game where it was back to back games.

Can you might remember that you dumped on me an Indy. Yes. And then I came back to Jersey and I post moved, don't you? Yes. Yes. It was, it was that thing, right? Where you remember that, like you couldn't wait because you know, this man bringing some, he brings some real shit to the table.

Right. And so it wasn't no nights off and, you know, let me go on here. Let me go be out all night because that wasn't the matchup to do it with. Oh, yeah. We was going to get it. We were going to battle. He was one of them dudes, man, that brought every night. Because you saw the work that he had put in to become the player that he was, coming from high school and the Portland days and now he's in it. He's an all star and he's this and like, no, so I was a young guy like my first year like he was already him. He was becoming he was that already.

So then my second year is when we played him in the playoffs and it was every possession. So he made me get better. Like, now, J.O. made me get in the lab and made me study defensive tendencies and different things like that. Because, like, nah, I'm prideful. So, nah, I'm like, boy, it was, like you said, some mutual respect, man. But, nah, they, their team, Indiana, was fucking good. So, Keen, how many defensive teams you made?

None. What? None. What? None. Should mean neither. And I led the league in blocks. It didn't mean one. That's crazy, right? Crazy.

You did the same as us. Yeah. You didn't play no defensive. You didn't play no defensive. Every night, right, you had this. Every night we had the matchups. Like, every single night. There was no nights off, like I said, at that spot, man. We would fuck who you would, if it was just a guy who didn't score, you knew he was a

fucking rebounder, so you had to box him out, like, so you had some guys that did, both some guys that just, so every night you had some guy that you had to deal with, to some level. And that's why I tell people, when y'all look at percentages from guards in that era you're looking at it wrong right this era don't have bigs that's protecting the basket yeah that era had two of them you had the four and the five right right there was the full and the big foes and fives this ain't the 80s were the you know, the the the four men is Undersized for that's about six six six seven. No, we had footers back then we had to try to get through So yeah, I shot 41% that was efficient going against what I was going

I He jumped I he jumped if I got the 41% that's good ass job 10 for 25 good night Different he played you played the four She's to be different. Oh, you wasn't the five man. Definitely was Yeah next to me like hey, are you even five right now? Yeah, he the five man I get but then you said over there to put that nigga in that corner Let me go down. Let me go down here made this easy lane So Jay, I want to go back some real quick before we move forward

So you said that 2005 Pacers squad was championship caliber. We asked our chat on the show if that was a championship level squad. 72% of our chat agrees with you that that Pacers squad, we got a lot of young people in the chat too. So that just shows the magnitude that that team and the impact that that team had. But let's go back to the beginning. You were drafted 17th overall straight out of high school to the Portland Trail Blazers, 1996. At that time you were the youngest player to ever play

in an NBA game. You got drafted at 17, played your first NBA game when you were 18. So in your four years there, you saw them eventually reach the conference finals with guys like Scottie Pippen, Rashid Wallace, Arvidis Sabonis, Steve Smith, Bonzi Wells, Damon Stoudemire, just to name a few.

But how was it starting your career in Portland? What was that experience like for you coming there 17, 18 years old playing with these grown-ass men? It was different man like you go from high school and you're the best player in the court every time you step on the court and then you go into the NBA and you like the for best person at your position right and so obviously from that perspective it was a big transition. But what I will say is and this is why I think, you know, these NBA teams got to do a better job at is, you know, you always

hear about the struggles of players, right? But the question that nobody asked is, you know, what was in place for these for these players to be successful, right? And so from my perspective, the Portland Trail Blazers were prepared for a 17 year old, right? They had like, we had like a life coach, we had a, we had a, a sports psychiatrist, you know, the town was like, I was like a second son. And so they knew they were getting a teenager and they knew that it was a process that I needed to go through and they were prepared for that. They were invested into that. And so you, you have

an organization behind me from that perspective, not really necessarily putting the pressure on you to come in right away and pack the organizations. I just wasn't ready at that particular time. But making sure that I was in the process and I had a process daily, and that was like my college one-on-one, and not to mention having a guy like, I mean, because they change that team every year

a little bit. My first year was obviously Sabonis, Gary Trent, Antonio Wingfield, Sheep, Wallace, G.R. Ryder, Kenny Anderson, Stacey Alderman, OG. Shout out to Stacey Alderman. And then it dwarfed into like Brian Grant, Steve Smith, Detlef Shrimp. Kevin Cato. Kevin Cato. Kevin Cato. Man, it was a lot, man.

And I got a chance to really take my time and pick ingredients of what I wanted from different players and put it into my game. And obviously, being in practice there, the practice was tougher than the games. I got to go against Sheed. I got to go against D'Antonio. I got to go against Brian Grant. I gotta go against D'Antonio, I gotta go against Brian Grant,

I gotta go against Sabonis, and I'm getting different levels of types of games. And then it was able to put me in a position so when I got traded, everything else was easy at that point because I was dealing with them boys every day in practice for four years. Shout out to D'Antonio Weakfield, man. He don't get a lot of that, man.

That Cincinnati Bearcat don't get a lot of love out here in these streets. That's rare though. That's real, because you don't normally have all that sports psychology and stuff. Nah, nah. Not back then. We had that shit when I was here.

That's what I'm saying. That's the shit I was doing. We tried it though, but. But bro, why would you pay somebody millions of dollars and you ain't invested into their success? That's rare, to think about that. I get because I... Well 96 I mean that's still early going into high school.

Fuck that. Name the list you came into the NBA. Go start over again. Name your teammates that you when you got drafted in 96. Name your teammates. Go. when you got drafted in 96, name your teammates. Go. It was Kenny Anderson, Walt Williams, Cliff Robinson, Chris Dudley, Sabonis, Stacey Augman.

Niggas, niggas, niggas, foreigner, foreigner. Arvidas was about that too. So who else? There was a few more niggas you named after that. So Cliff Robinson, nigga. Yeah, it was Cliff. And then obviously changed every year. So it was a nigga.

Dumb, but he was a nigga at heart. He's a nigga. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. I'm saying, no, no, no, no. So no, no. Aaron Keefe. Aaron Keefe.

The situation he came into, I'm saying they needed a team side, they needed people in place to help this kid come in, to like, trust me, he got off the porch and been falling to, God rest Cliff Robson's soul, man. Nah, it was real. I'm just saying like these are facts, these are known things that guys in the league, you've been around, you know who got down who smoked who drank who partied who to stare? So they were trying to help this kid stay away from fucking certain influences. So they got a they got a

village Even in my knees my ass because It's only what you was a KG before you. Kobe same year. Kobe came in the same year. Was it T-Mac before that? Next year. Huh?

It was next year. The next year. So you guys were the second crop of high school kids, right? Well, it was Ticket in 95, me and Kory in 96, and Mack in 97. So, they wasn't... When I came in 2001, it seemed like they wasn't prepared for a young guy.

They didn't have no... Who, that was your... Regiment. The Warriors. No, I'm just... No, so I'm saying like, so for him to have stability already was...

Forward thinking was... Yeah, it was forward thinking there. Like, it was... You you consider that a great program Yeah, because for the most part it wasn't prepared for what that 18 year old is gonna do like I remember we can't drink We can't go out. There's no babysitting that young like to know what an 18 year old We don't know how to prepare shit. We don't know what a cleaners look like We we eat McDonald's for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. You know what I mean?

Motherfuckers out there at lunch buying, you know, let me get a KFC, give me just a big box. So that's lunch, dinner, and breakfast the next day. Right, so. Right, cause even when I got to Washington, they already had Quam, right? They wasn't prepared for him, right? When I got there, I'm trying to convince them what a player lounge look like.

Right. You know, how to get breakfast. I didn't get I didn't taste my first food on the road into the bronze. James and Cleveland. He was the first road team to feed. It wasn't Dallas yet. It was it was clear. And I thought our team did like, oh, shit. Oh, it was like, now it's from clean. I thought our team did oh shit. Yo, it was like not it's from us

I mean this from them Mmm, okay. All right cool Like so, you know in your era getting treatment that early like understanding that you know, that was that was cool I was dope man. Like like they made shit. Erin McKee and Gary Trent. They picked me up from the airport I see a good vest dope man like like they mean shit. Aaron McKee and Gary Trent, they picked me up from the airport. Boss. He had good vets. Good vets.

No, I had good vets. I had good vets my rookie year when I got in. No, I had good vets too, but I was a asshole. So I got I got fucked up. I got fucked up early. So jail. So you was there when my teammate got slammed, right? Who?

Rube. No, I was gone. I was gone. He was gone already when he got slammed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was gone. Yeah, 2000, yeah, 2001, 2002. Oh, that was, oh yeah. And it was that late?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was, that was, that's when they got the young boy, him, Quintel Woods. Yeah. I thought you was in the locker room. I was going like, man, how y'all let that go down? So, Joe, you spent your first four seasons in Portland. Obviously didn't play as much as you wanted to, but got to learn a lot from those vests that you had.

You get traded to the Pacers. That's where your career really starts to take off. So what changed for you when you got traded to the Pacers? I was ready to go, bro, to be honest, man. Like I said, you go through that process for four years, and the mental weather thought that you got to have you know to I mean if you look back and you look you know I was a free agent after three back then on that scale I resigned back with them thinking that we was going to win a championship we had just lost in

the conference finals against you know against the uh the Spurs and so I resigned a new four-year deal and I'm playing less minutes after being promised that I was gonna play at least 24 minutes a game, I'm playing less minutes my fourth year than I did my third and second year. Right, and so, and I got three more years left on the deal. So it was one of those things where I was already prepared.

Mentally I had already been tested because I was going through the process. And then back then when you're a high school kid, you in comparison, like they compare you to the next player. And then they send all these kids a bus when I just wasn't given a chance. Right. And so when I got to Indy, I won most improved right away because I was already I was already seasoned and ready to go.

So when I got there, it was like more like, hey, let me show people what I got. And it was just building from there. For sure. So Gil was the subject of a Netflix documentary, Untold Shooting Guards, talking about a situation in the locker room, obviously streaming right now. You were executive producer on the Netflix documentary on the Malice in the Palace. So how often does the Malice at the Palace get mentioned to you even still to this day? Well, that's always been a sensitive topic for me, man.

So much had changed, was changed, so much was affected. So when people always would say something to me, I would like, I'm just tense up about it. I'm already aggressive mentality. So it's like, I didn't really tense up about it. Right. Yeah. I'm already aggressive, you know, mentality. So it's like, I didn't really want to talk about it. Um, and I was a little bit upset because I thought, I thought it was, it was more celebrated than it was, um, broken down in the way it should be. Right.

And so when you in a situation and you go into these, you know, these arenas and you expect, you expect for the intensity, you know, for the opposing crowd to be, that's what makes, you be, that's what makes sports sports, right? You wanna go and you wanna perform against all odds, but to be in a situation where, just an unfortunate situation happened, and then the narrative be created and delivered to the public,

and you don't have an opportunity to even explain it to people, and realize we wasn't able to talk about this thing for 10 years. So when the narratives being created, we had legal, civil, like we had all kind of state charges in this process and to have to sit and mute and watch people not only dissect you as a person, as a player, but your entire league, right? Because then it became more about, hey, the league is too, it's too hood, it's too, it's too hip hop, it's too, there's too that, you know, I need to, they need to

put in the dress code. And that was tough on me, man. That was, for a person that really had to really get it out of the mud to watch things be dismantled and people react. You can understand initially how the NBA would react or how teams would react when it initially happened. But when the smoke cleared, that was the one that was most disappointing because anybody in that right situation, from my perspective, I can't speak for Ron, I can't speak for Jack on why they did what they did.

But a lot of it is when it comes down to, you know, when you talk about leadership, right? Leadership, you know, people think it's only, it only is about being in a corporate office or being at your house. But when people in your ass and they trying to hurt you and your teammates, leadership kicks in as well, right? And so, like I said on Zeebo and Tony Allen's podcast, I was like my first time really getting in depth in outside of that. That Netflix deal was people don't realize

a dude had just grabbed me around my neck. Right. And so I had just got the guy off me, put him on the scores table, and if you look at the clip, you'll see me look this way. And you see the same guy that I hit was the same guy that Ron got into it with, the same guy that was on top of Anthony Johnson. They were on the court that long. And at that point, I'm not only trying to defend myself, but I'm trying to defend others because now we ain't got no help.

And so it bothers me that we're 20 plus years post that and people still talk about that. That's something that I don't want to be remembered for because I feel like I gave more to the game than putting somebody down, right? But I would say this in that perspective, it's a human part of this, man, that people will have to recognize, man. If one of those people hit me in the head with that chair or those brooms or all that stuff that they were trying to hit us with and killed me,

then who would have been taking care of my family? Is it being a thug or is it taking care of my family? Is it about, is it being a thug, or is it taking care of business where you can get out of there, and get home safely and soundly? And that's the thing that I think was mishandled in a very poor way. Not initially, because I understood that,

but once the smoke cleared, you could have just came back and say, you know what, you know, and again, this is me talking about me. This boy JL won the community sits award three times, right? He puts, he put millions of dollars into the communities, right? He had never, he had never been to jail.

He had never did this. He never did anything like, right? But you're going to say that this one, this one punch on this, on this man, and by the way, was trying to hurt my teammate, it's going, it's going to define who he is. And that's going to say that this one, this one punch on this, on this man that by the way was trying to hurt my teammate is going, is going to define who he is. And that's crazy to me, bruh. That's crazy. People make decisions all the time, you know, and, you know, and that, that is controlled decisions, but this, this,

I didn't have any control in this situation. Do you think like a lot of the frustration as a, as a basketball player, where you were going, do you think a lot of frustration comes for, you came back that year, right? That because of this, did you feel the NBA was like, yeah, we don't wanna put you on all NBA team,

we just gonna, just keep your name out of the light for themselves to feel better. Like you was being, like it was, they was looking past what you were doing on the basketball court and say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, he's averaging this 20 and nine, it's 24 and 10. So 24 and 10, yeah.

Yeah, 24 and 10, just, you know, don't mention them. So people don't talk about it. And it kind of like stop you from just jumping to that next level of who you actually was. Yeah, I can't, honestly, bro, I can't even, I can't even fathom what they were thinking about because when you go through that legal process, bro, it's to the very detail, right? So when you go, you know, with me taking the NBA to court, you know, and say, you know, hey,

that's not right. And I win. And that's broken down to, you know, to the federal judge. And he says, okay, well, now this is crazy. He should have never been suspended, right? You think about that part, but it went deeper for me because I put the NBA aside. The NBA has been amazing to me and my family, right? Amazing, right? And I don't have anything negative to say about the NBA because very few of us get an opportunity to do that. The thing that really hurt me more than anything

is because when you already have, I already had a tough upbringing, right? And then, you know, then I had this thing with my dad, right? I met my dad, I didn't need my dad to, I was 13 years in NBA, I was 30 years old, right? So I was already dealing, I was already battling this demon every day. Literally I would see a teammate or a peer and he would be with his daddy and I'm triggered

right away. And I carried that since I was like a little boy. And so I had these amazing moments and I had nobody to share it with. So I never felt valued, if you will. And so as I got older, it was this thing where I'm battling this demon every day. I don't have a moment to like, when I'm going through my struggles to call my pops and say, you know, hey pops, I need you to help me out here. I need you to come and check on me. I need you, you know, hey, are you proud of me, man? Or what are you, what do you think about this? I had that moment, right? And so when I got to Indy, it was like this love that was created.

Like I love that city, bro. I love that organization because they gave me a chance to show what I really was, right? I still I love Portland too for giving me an opportunity in the Allen family for drafting me at 17, but I didn't I didn't I didn't have any I have any success there, right? So when I got to Indy it was one of those things where I was like, man I'm willing to run through the run through the wall for this, right? I'm willing to run through the wall for this. I'm willing to support. I took on the city as I was born there. And so to watch that situation back away from me in the time that I needed them the most, that broke me, bruh. I'm talking about, bruh, it was one of those things, bro, where if you, you know,

and I think that's why I'm around kids so much because I get and I understand like the challenges, right? When you deal with abandonment issues and you're trying to figure out your worth and the value that, you know, you believe that you should get based off the work and time that you put into things, right? Because you can go the other way, right? You can go, you know, whoop somebody, go to jail, you know, prison, whatever it may be. You can choose other ways to do it. But when you do it right and that value is deteriorated

because of a situation, that part really bugged me out. And I was so hurt from it because I thought for sure at some point somebody would have came and said, you know what? He just a good quality dude, bro. Like he do it the right way, right? And it never came. And it made me bitter towards anything basketball, bro. Like anything. I just, I was bitter towards the Pacers. I was bitter towards the NBA. So I wouldn't do, I wouldn't do, I've been asking the television a lot and I just like, nah, I was bitter towards the NBA. So I wouldn't do I wouldn't do I've been asking television a lot.

And I just like, I ain't doing it because I didn't feel that level of support. So beyond what actually happened, it's the reaction to me that was the worst part of it. And I had to deal with it and try to shake it off. And honestly, just now come to peace with, you know, come to peace with it. No, same, same with the, you know but with the gun in the locker room situation, it was like everything I've done for the city, right? Scores for schools, all the give backs,

and a situation that happens that has no victim, just two niggas just being stupid. And I get thrown out and outcasted. And it's like I do one mistake. The 99 things I've done, it all gets cleared with one mistake. Then it came to the point then, the fuck is this all for then?

Why do I need to help anybody? You know what I mean? It's like I'm batting 99% and this is how I'm treated? So I went into a dark place. I remember when I got traded, I grew my face here because I don't want you to recognize me no more. And then when I moved to, when I got traded to Orlando,

I tinted all my windows black. So people didn't even know I lived there. Throwing up every morning, didn't watch basketball, you know, went into just hiding. And then I realized at the end of the day, no one gave a fuck. So if you're not gonna care, then I'm not gonna care. So that's when no chill was built,

then I'm gonna build my armor back and then I'm not gonna care. So that's when no chill was built. Then I'm gonna build my armor back and then I'm gonna just be more vicious. Yeah. Right, and then throughout the way I found, I just found the love again. So I got my personality back. But you know, just like what you're saying that, you know, when you give, give, give, give,

and you mess up one time, human nature, human behavior, and everything you've ever done gets thrown out a window. They only remember you for this That's crazy Crazy, right and it's so crazy man. Like it's crazy to hear your story because I never Like all my love was gone Like I like I didn't have I didn't have the same desire It's like showing up to the crib

and you got a joint that you support and like your wife or whatever, your girl, whatever, and you know she don't care nothing about you. You know she doing you wrong, intentionally doing you wrong. That is a hard pill to swallow when you're a competitor. The league is too good not to have fire because if you don't have that fire desire,

you're gonna melt down anyway because the players are just too good. My perspective, as soon as that happened, when that love lost, my body broke down. Because I was no longer, my mind was in a different place, bro. And it was just, it was tough, bro. Like it was like this thing, this consistent thing, it was like where my son was born and

my son was born premature. Right, and in my mind I'm like, well, what did I do? Right, you know, and his lungs collapsed. Then my mother, right after that, like my mother, her boyfriend or her husband, you know, shot himself in his head. I got to hold him together, right? Literally, like all of this stuff happened like boom, right after that. So it was hard to love the game, especially when you felt like the game didn't love you

back. Is it the support y'all want from a certain individual or just a whole other team or a city? The same people that was patting you on your back when you're doing well? You want them same people to have your back when things are not going so well for you? It ain't just one particular person. I know, but as teammates teammates that could be there. Because I know I was trying to get you... No, you were trying to...

Yeah, you seen me go from still being cool to like, man, fuck all this, man. Always did it. You know what? Me personally... That's what it is. I don't know who I wanted the love from, but I know it was... It had to be from something bigger than what it was yeah okay right you know what I mean like I'm cool with five or ten people that I didn't know right you saying fuck you cool I don't know y'all anyway but not

the motherfuckers I helped. Like my teammates not calling me that hurt the most Like like I remember they told you they told you a don't call him no more the fact that you niggas listened Did you listen to them right? I'm letting you niggas use my credit card y'all gonna charge y'all. Yeah Yeah, you can use my credit card you told me to call you no more bruh. Yeah charge the food You can charge my room on you You go there you got a little joint and y'all you want to buy some bottles and charge it to my room And I didn't care so the fact that y'all wasn't checking on me and y'all was really going on like yeah Yeah, fuck all this nigga. I'm gonna be the all-star now. Yeah, I it was just one of those things where it was like, yeah

Right. I I'm good. Just give me my motherfucking money, right? So when people think I got blackball. No, I just said you know what? I'm getting paid to sit on a couch This is my this is my thank you. Thank you Gilbert three years sit on the couch 66 million that's that was my reward and I was, I don't need to run, jump, hum, nothing, no more. And I get 66 million sitting on my motherfucking couch, and that's what I was going to do. You know, I'm not going to do one more line drill for nobody because I didn't get, I did three times a day, right? I sacrificed fucking three injuries in 14 months for the organization, for somebody to say,

yo, G.A., we like what you're doing. So the fact that I didn't get that, it was like, all right, I'm gonna just sit on the couch, collect these checks then, cool, I'm good. I understand how big that be sometimes. All you want is a checkup, shit. It's just a checkup, hey G, how you doing? Right? I'm doing good, I'm doing good,up. Hey, J, how you doing? Right?

I'm doing good, boss. I'm working on my leg. I got this game radio waiting for next season. I don't know what I wanted, but it felt like I needed something. Out of sight, out of mind, dog. Yep, yep, yep. That's why even today,

like, you know, I won't say, you know, the players I do, but when a player gets injured or Something happens to them. Even though I don't know them. I send a email. How you doing? I hope you're doing good this week, man Just keep going right now because I know how I felt then I don't even know these motherfuckers have the time I they send a DM you might not see it for fucking three years from now, but this shit's gonna be in there send a DM you might not see it for fucking three years from now but this shit's gonna be in there. Well Jermaine we know you got a take off man we appreciate you taking time out of your schedule to pull up Jermaine O'Neal the legend appreciate all the stuff you're doing for the community to give it back

with the coaching looking forward to seeing your son do his thing at SMU as well JL appreciate it. Hey fellas I appreciate you all having me on man I gotta say this Gil paces in six. Uh oh. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Because I'm a bandwagon jumper, I do got my pacer stuff ready to go. I was about to say, did you just have a jersey or something? Like, it's the outcome.

Oh, no, because I'm a Laker fan, so right now I'm just all over the place and I'm celebrating. So if y'all do win, you will see me at the parade. For sure. It'd be me and you both then. J.O. appreciate you, but take care of it. Thank you for pulling up the Gills Arena presented by Underdog. So quick before we go to mostly fans, I wanted to talk about your reaction. He talked about mouse and the power. So I remember I was a senior in college 2004 at my grandmother's house,

watching this thing go down We all played in the Pac-10, you know, you go to places like Oregon Stanford. They could be really rowdy right and you live for that opportunity I wish one of these fans would do something crazy so we could you know put hands on them But when I look back at the reaction of the league in that moment I don't think the Pacers did anything wrong right you had our test sitting on the table headphones on somebody throw something at him Maybe the reaction is overblown, but if he just sits there or nothing happens that game is they go on about their day But what was your experience like watching? Yeah, I'm just saying it's only a few cities that the crowd is Just as active as the play like there's just some cities that they can't have certain personalities over there.

You know what I mean? Detroit, they couldn't have Kenyon or goddamn Draymond Green because they act just like them. But what is the odds of that shit just laying right on this field? That was a great ass pass. That's a great, thank you, that's what I'm saying. That was a great ass pass, didn't it be?

And it's only here, like what happened when they hit Kenyon? But like, he motherfucker too. Yeah, but it just... Nah, I don't know. See the thing... No, I don't know. So this is... So, no, so it wouldn't have never got...

See, that's why I'm trying to say... Just hear me out, hear me out. It would have never got to that point, because me and Ben would have threw hands. Oh, yeah. Ben pushed me, I'm throwing hands. It would have never got to anything further. It would never got to Malice in the Palace.

Oh, you thought, palace. Oh, okay Okay, you know that's the and that's the soon and But you don't think the fans would have reacted anyway, no just that oh no, no if Ben and Ron Ben Ron foul being Right being got a push run in the chest. Mm-hmm Game stops. He pushed him, they throw hands, they both get kicked out of the game.

There's nothing else after that. That's my whole thing with the whole thing from the beginning, from the very first, when it first happened. Don't you feel like he was, like, attacking right away? No no but he's supposed to be too not so this is my thing like run What I feel like it's supposed to be like they're muscle sort of speak right at that point He's made a name. He's make a name for himself. They are this so being is known of that foot. So being wanted action Ron didn't want to smoke but for run Ron, he was more, he was getting fined all the time. I was too.

And he was more antagonizing like, The year before that I lost 370. You're messing with somebody to get. You know what I just said? The year before that I lost 370 thousand dollars. But you ain't never just got. Being pushy, we throwing hands, fuck that fine bruh. You never just got under somebody's skin.

No, no, no, see. That's what I'm saying. Okay, so, so that's me watching that. Mm-hmm. Me never just got under somebody's skin. No, no, no. That's what I was saying. OK, so me watching that, me watching the Malice in the Palace kind of gave me a better perspective on Rod Nartess is more Dennis Rodman. Yeah, that's what I was saying. He's more of an antagonizer. Antagonist, yeah, absolutely.

Versus a real. Yes. So you know what I mean? So even to see the cup so even to see the cup Yeah, even to see the cup and he snaps and that seemed odd and I'm not a hundred percent sure who threw it Yes, but it just seemed odd because that is not his that's not his wasn't it So this is because he might take it a step further. He wouldn't fight with a plate He wouldn't fight being but you were gonna fight him. Yeah, this is a bigger problem. So this is there. It's a step further, right? He wouldn't fight with a player. He wouldn't fight Ben, but you're going to fight him. Yeah.

This is a bigger problem. This is a bigger issue, right? You're going to go fight him. But you don't want to fight the guy that just touched you. Yeah. So I'm. You don't know how he's going to react, though. No, no, no.

But you got 100% shooting through it. Because he's a fighter. Right? Ron Artest is an agonizer. So I got a problem with- You can't say he's just an agonizer. No, no, no, no. Yes, 1,000%. Because I'm having a problem with you.

Who has he fault? Nick. No, that's what I'm saying. Me, I'm having a problem with you, right? An outside entity comes into the play. That's what snaps. I'm having a problem with you. Yeah. Right? Uh-huh. An outside entity comes into the play. Yeah. That's what snaps.

Like Nick, whoa. Don't come in this world. That's why he goes up. It's like the Westbrook. We got our own issue. Yeah. That's right. You calling, you talking this.

Don't do that. Don't come in this world. That's where he snaps. Because as you're coming into this world me in this week We got an understanding like I already showed him out. Yeah, we good right you come in here. Oh, no, hell no That's where that goes. Yeah, I seen his place when after when it all settles and the only concern he had Was is Jermaine no Neil mad. Yeah That like oh Jermaine O'Neal mad?

That like oh, Jermaine is the alpha male on the team. The quiet alpha male. He is the guy. Because as much energy as you had and you're going through it, your only concern was Jermaine. That's because he won a championship though. Who? Meta.

No, this is before Meta. His thing was he let Jermaine down because he was not. You gotta watch the video. He look up to him. I know. Because he look up to him. No, during and after, while they're in the hallway and all of that, after they're in the hallway, he's asking you.

There's two things. He said, yes. Is J.O. mad at him? Is J.O. mad at him? He's gonna get in trouble? That's a crazy, I'm saying that's a sign of a crazy person. That's just because he knows if we go in the locker room and jail mad at him, that shit's about to pop off in that locker room. I'm saying? That's a sign of a crazy person.

No, that's his eye. Where is the crazy person? I'm not worried about Madella being scared of nobody. The crazy person is the one that was just the... Why you think he asked that question? He didn't say, where is uh, you think Jamal mad at him, you think Scott Malla mad at him? He's laying on the couch, he's laying on the table. What would he say? I'm not worried because I know my teammates got my back. The one that kept everybody in control was J.O.

He was the one that was the aggressor. And that's why he said he needed to take care of, like protect his teammates. He's Anthony Johnson, he's the protector. He was the protector of the team. You just didn't know it because he was quiet. But once he got going, it was hard. So situations like that, he was both. So what's the name getting to?

Nene get into it, Oluw Kandi. I come over there, and Oluw Kandi automatically turns towards me, because he thinks I'm going to do like, it's that. When you walk into a situation people understand who you are, that's the J.O. shit. That's why he wanted to know like, is this dude like, but like I said from the beginning dog,

it all could have been avoided. Unfortunately it wasn't. And we all know the end result is what we, but it's, like I said, he, Gil put Gil Nell on the head with the, he's antagonist, like he's gonna do shit to pokey, pokey, pokey, pokey, pokey, pokey, and do this shit when it's, right? So, it was, it all could have been avoided.

And you're not 100% sure who threw the cup no fuck It's like you just don't know if fans is gonna get it like it like when you seen it happen Like being him I didn't see no fight coming into out of them to like Ben is Like even though being one of like he was just hot at the moment But still Ben does have control like I don't see Like you got a real like unless you lose it in the happen right there but there was enough time for being the kind of like settle down a little bit you push me walking up on yeah that's what I'm saying you got the teammates so I didn't it was one of those things they only

break it was a it was the perfect element for something like that right right? Once the crowd got in, I can see okay Ron Artest going in the crowd, Steven Jackson going in the crowd, okay once it got to that point then it was uncontrollable. Oh yeah, wildfire. Yeah but from Germano Neal's standpoint we all know the clip the dude who looks like Turtle from Entourage walking up to him squaring up he slips as he tried to take off on him. He touched on it a little bit in the interview, but he actually went to federal court. I think he ended up getting suspended 25 games

for his role in the whole situation. They got reduced to 15. But he ended up going to federal court, and the ruling was in his favor, basically, that he had the right to protect and defend himself in that moment. So I can understand his frustration with the league, kind of painting all these guys as thugs, as bad guys.

Because you're in your work environment Yeah, but if somebody come to work working by a cup you can cover your face No, but not even not even dim like jail. He and his working he's on the floor on the floor He didn't go on the stand. Yeah, that's my he's in his work environment So that dude interjected himself into that man's work environment. So whatever came with it Jail was justified his action. Yeah, if somebody rubs up on you in that situation, squares up like they want to do something. He should have got it. I mean, just if we're going to pick, he should have got a clean slate.

Yeah. Like it should have been a clean slate. Like it didn't happen like our bad. Because you ran out here on the floor. Because I'm on the floor. I'm sitting here. There's no thing from, you know, I don't want to bring his name up because nothing happened, but it's no different than Pacers

Father coming on there doing the towel thing because if you run up on the right person, you know, I mean that's that's the thing that like Remember we're we're we're penalizing the father because you're in his workspace But you yeah, you threw J.O to the wolves when he was in his yeah So it's one of those things where it should be a clean slate and whatever dirt is on a name it should be wiped away because he didn't move nowhere, he's here. It's an unfortunate, ugly situation man. You shouldn't be able to do shit to a player. But that's what I'm saying.

Oh no, I'm talking about that event. But no, you're going, no, the fans is the fans workplace. No. Yeah. I can't justify you leaving the court to go fuck somebody up. I can't. I can't justify that. Because that means you're not holding your.

Well, if I nigga throw shit at your face, you going to sit there and let shit be on your face? But they didn't do that. They did. You don't know what's in the cup. He didn't know who threw it. I don't think he did. No, he did hit the wrong person. He went after y'all know what's in the cup. He didn't know who threw it. I, he did. No, he did hit the wrong person.

He went after the wrong guy. He hit the wrong person. He went after the wrong guy. It's been documented, Nick hit the wrong person. He hit the wrong person. And then the dude who threw it, I think was behind him. Yeah, he hit the wrong person. You don't know 100% who threw it.

So I gotta penalize that person who threw it, the real one? Yeah, that's my, so let's know. And then the person you hit, he gotta penalize you too? He went after the person he thought who threw it. You called that out, you looked up like got to penalize you too. He went after the person he thought who threw it. You called that out. You looked up like, oh, you laughing too hard. Therefore, if you want to hit somebody, punch somebody, how about you punch the motherfucker that just chopped

and caved your chest in with his punch? He ain't no hitter. A punch is a push. He is a very. So. I would fight the person I can win personally. Y'all are faking like metal. I've had a lot of people in the world think that way.

Canyon ain't one of them. Yeah, I would. I would. Well, that note, let's move on to MostlyFans. That is hype. Presented by our friends at Underdog. Go ahead, download the AppUse promo code. Get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pick-up.

So we have a video question from Underdog user OceanDocs. Quick question. If you can take one attribute and or one ability from each person on a couch and create a player one What would those abilities or attributes be and tool with their player then be the best player has ever been in the NBA And don't forget to include Joe man. Peace Thank You ocean doc. I will bring my hosting I'm taking Kenyan jumping. Can you can you oh, yeah niggas getting dunked on with my speed.

Quick jump. I'm dunking those niggas like crazy. So what attribute would you want to Ken defense. That's it. And there's no and he said one he said what would you take from yourself or just the question. The question is, we had a player using everyone's best attributes. Oh, everyone's best including myself. Oh, everybody's best. No, no, no. GPA boosting. So I had a 38. I had a 38.

So I'm going to take Kenyan's height. So is that the attribute we're taking for Kenyan to create this player that has all of our actors together? Captain Planet, if you will. With my, I keep my speed, my shot. I'm taking his creativity. You took the words right out of your mouth. I'm going to take his creativity. You took the words right out of my mouth. I'm gonna take his creativity.

Definitely creative. Yeah. Who more creative, him or Brandon on the floor? You think? I've been watching, a lot of Brandon Jenner's highlights been popping up on my feed and pretty creative. No, no, yeah, yeah. Nick creative.

When it comes to natural just natural. Yeah, just natural. No, no, yeah, yeah. Nick creative. When it comes to natural just, yeah, just natural. Yeah, them three, them three. 360 in the game, layup, shit like that. Yeah, that's. Yeah, I'm the GOAT. I am legend. I'm taking Josiah. I'm the GOAT.

I'm the GOAT. Swag, just take all of me. Just all of me. I'm the GOAT. I'm the GOAT. The energy exuberance. Could adapt to any situation like around. I would take that from him.

He's like. Adaptability. Yeah, yeah. God bless you, Swaggy. In any type of environment, you good. Could adapt to any situation like around I would take that from me adaptability Yeah, yeah, I bless you swaggy in any type of environment. You good. You know, so good in any hood for the most part Yeah, I'm not the goat cuz I'm still and we're gonna be left-handed. I'm still so take your lefty. Okay. Hey Brandon's left Go free left-handed Take Rashad's muscles. Nah, see, I don't like that. I don't want to be buff. You gotta be buff, Swaggy.

Durable, durability. Be LeBron, basically. Sha' score that motherfucker too now. Yeah, but I just don't like. Sha' mid-range game. Was nice. No creativity. Brandon's left-handedness.

Yes. All of your side-incor the big body bends huh big body you're gonna be bored as motherfucking D.O.A.L. solid up and under good decent jump up did he win a championship D.O.A.L.E got a championship? Did y'all got a championship? No? Spirers, I'm trippin'. Yeah. All right, so we got Kenyon's high guild speed or shot. We'll take your shot. Nick's creativity, my adaptability,

Brandon's left-handedness, ShazMitty, and we have created a superhuman player that nobody can stop. My brain. I don't need shit from Shaz. And Kenyon opportunity, first round pick. Could we get to play from the start? we get to play from the start. We get to play from the start.

Not easy Kwame Brown. Unnecessarily, unnecessary Kwame. I'm just saying there's a lot of fun. We're not going to the Wizards. Okay. We're not going to the Wizards. Alright. You can be the one in Cleveland too.

You can be the one in Cleveland. Was it Anthony Bennett? You can be Anthony Bennett boy. Guaranteed four years but but you're out in three. That's god damn. He was out in three games. It's hard to come behind LeBron. I was like, man, you got a four year contract,

but that's four of you playing at the YMCA. That's crazy. He was doing it. Can't take it away from him. Nope. What, did he get hurt? Like I don't know. Whatever it is, you can't take it away from him.

Yeah, it wasn't LeBron. So we talked about mouse in the palace. Obviously Pacers Pistons We got one more question email question Go ahead from Capo Deuce said do you think Detroit will get Cade Cunningham some help this offseason? Pistons finished six in the east Limiting the first round by the Knicks. Man, they won 13 games last year. They trending up. Yeah Yeah, I don't know what they do need. No, they all right. OK, so you go with that?

They all right. They just young, man. Yeah, because their second best player didn't even play. It got hurt. They just pushed them boys with seven? They took the Knicks to seven? Without their best player? Six, seven, wherever.

The second best. Ivy? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't play. It was hurt, so yeah. I was running back. Stewart was out. He didn't play. The Maniac didn't play. Ivy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like that's who I wanted to hear from when the shit was going on, when I'm watching the mountains of the palace.

I wanted to know what them motherfuckers thinking while these niggas ran into the stands. Like, I know what I would have been thinking. Hey, they still out there? Cause I would have been in the locker room. What's going on out there? Hey, now we had a situation when I was in college

at UNC Charlotte, bro. They had to move the student section. Like the next time we went, the student section had moved. I got to spin it for like two games, I think, a game. Oh, wow. Didn't I know that. Ball rack right there. Mm-hmm.

We're this close. Oh, we're this close. Phew! Bow! Yo, target crack. Yo, they throwing batteries and coins and shit at us and spitting at us. Of course I'ma empty the,

look I didn't run up there. The ball rack was empty. Of course I'ma empty the ball rack right there. There's three rolls in the motherfuckers. Oh yeah, they throwing shit, we throwing shit. Coach is grabbing niggas, we pulling away, ball bouncing back from me to, hit you right again. Wow, it bounced right back to me dead.

Listen. Yeah, a few of us got suspended. Of course. Well, protect yourself at all times. That's what they say. It's actually rowdy. Good place for us to stop for today.

Appreciate everybody in the chat. I want to give a shout out again to Jermaine O'Neill. We're coming on to the show. Was your Pacers legend? Good. What are you going to say? I already know something that's gonna be out of pocket. Nah, I wanna give a shout out to

the guy I played early. No, the first two dudes I played in Madden, you know, F y'all, cause y'all was messing up my confidence. But that third dude, hey, I appreciate you, man. Your ass is so sorry, man. It gave me confidence, man. You like, your ass is so sorry man. He gave me confidence man

Yeah, you know the first two games, but there's a nigga beats 6117 yeah, he's trash. I get his girls gonna cheat on him the way he was getting his ass Well, I want to give you a shot out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What they say that about the first two games, but you play Yeah Um, I wasn't ready yet. But what if they had that same sentiment? Yeah, well I didn't lose by the motherfucking fifty something. Right? He lost by fucking fifty something. How much did you lose by? Thank you. We don't want to know. Don't embarrass us like that. Hey listen, I don't remember I don't remember the first two games. Fuck them. Okay? They took a hundred

dollars from me. But that third dude. Yeah! Nick, you still take the insoles out of your shoes? Yeah. It's a habit. Bumper clot. Like, I showed up and that motherfucker was hooping and I saw him take his insoles out and when I played basketball game, I'm like yo, something wrong with him. It's a habit. But those fit. He got gorilla feet. Those are comfortable. You got gorilla feet. That's just a habit. I see. I saw you do it. I'm like, you buy his size. The Wizards.

He buy his size. He buy his size. Shoot, like that's normally when you buy the size up underneath and you get a little room and you take the insole out because you need that little half inch. It used to be like, I used to have big feet. So like everybody, it was a bad thing back in the day. You know what, listen I know you don't care cuz you don't feel it but look the

soul that they put in is for just a little cushion. No no no no no. You take that out. That's your favorite trainer. He tell you all the time. No I'm just saying that's just floor. No no it's good for you, you need it. That's why y'all get injured, and I don't. Weak, stupid motherfuckers. I'm out of here. And on that note, ladies and gentlemen, this has been another episode of Gills Arena, presented by Underdog.

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