Gil's Arena - Dalton Knecht's MONSTER GAME Gets Gil's Arena Hyped

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

Dalton Knecht's MONSTER GAME Has Gil's Arena Hyped as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Dalton Knecht taking over in the 3rd Quarter of the Los Angeles Lakers vs Utah Jazz game, carrying the Lakers to a 6th straight win and 2-0 start in the NBA Cup. They debate if Knecht has already solidified himself as a starter for the Lake Show and discuss if this Laker team led by JJ Redick is the best of the LeBron James Era. Next, they react to Jayson Tatum & the Boston Celtics ending the Cleveland Cavaliers immaculate start to the season and break down the statement Tatum is making so far this season as the best player on the NBA's best team. Finally, Gil & The Crew get real on LaMelo Ball after the young star was benched in the 4th quarter and react to Russell Westbrook's vintage performance as he dropped a triple double off the bench for the Denver Nuggets. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Cemetery Larry, Sheryl Swoopes Gil's Arena Merch is Available NOW at http://gilsarenamerch.com/ Use code GIL10 for 10% off your SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL10 Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:03 Gil's Idea To Fix The All Star Game 0:06:14 Celtics End The Cavs Streak 0:31:51 Does Tatum Deserve The MVP? 0:46:01 Dalton Knecht GOES OFF 1:06:56 LaMelo Ball Benched 1:42:31 Russell Westbrook Turns Back The Clock 2:03:31 Gil Calls Out Sheryl's Son 2:19:27 James Harden's Place With GOAT PGs 2:21:58 MostlyFans 2:23:37 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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responsibly produced. It's happening now at BHP, a future resources company. Yeah. Yeah. Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa! Whoa! We appreciate everybody's patience in the chat. They say we on that Joel and Bea time. We not late.

Y'all just early. All right? And we appreciate y'all being here with us. Okay, Gil. All right. All right. That special Adidas. All right, all right. That's special. Adidas, the Adidas brawny.

It is Adidas, Joy. Loyal to your soil. Yes, sir. And the back says what? Greatest 55th pick of all time. Prince? James Jr. James Jr.

Why not just put brawny? Huh? Why not put brawny? They should do a soccer style like that. Just put the first name. Yeah. James Jr. Yeah, I don't like James Jr like that. Just put the first name. Yeah. James Jr. Yeah, I don't like James Jr. either.

Well, you're wearing a jersey. I like Bronny better. That custom Adidas. Me too. Now, Patti Mills is not the greatest 55th pick of all time. LeBron James Jr. is, based on marketability. Producers are in my ear right now. Yep.

But that's neither here nor there. How everybody doing? We feeling good? Yeah. Okay. It's a great day. Teams on a six-game winning streak? No?

No? Okay. Just us? Cool. Just us? Right? Just us? You know what I mean?

You know. Today is game day. Really? Longest winning streak. Yep. That's why you're wearing a mask. Yes, it's game day. We back. Really.

We're going to play San Diego It don't matter San Diego They getting cut San Diego San Diego wins Why are you so quiet

Why are you so quiet His team sucks My predictions Hold true I'm just I just soak into Bking and then glory. Yeah, I'm thinking twice about my pick. Didn't I pick the Knicks with you?

I'm not talking about the Knicks. I'm talking about Dawg Connect. I'm just talking about that. Westside Connect gang, Connect gang. You be bad. Westside Connect gang, Connect gang. The one they didn't want. Now they want them now.

Oh, no. We wanted them. We want all our picks. Now they wanna We're rolling Visionary Ross said that back in this is But this is gills arena presented by underdog as always. We got the legend Gilbert arenas here with us The Dave timers. Dame time. Yeah.

I need Brawny to get the Dame time, so you got to mix it in. I thought you was trying to coordinate. Coordination. Kind of, but it's still Dame time. You coordinate a little bit. We got four-time WNBA champion of the world, Cheryl Swoops, back on the couch with us.

And the man they call Cemetery Larry. There it is. Rashad McCants is back with us. We... Stop. They're not used to seeing you. We worked hard for that. We practiced for that.

I got to make sure mine is off, too. It was good. But we got a lot to get into today. Before we do, for all those out there, we still have two viewing options for you. Our traditional version, our vertical mobile version. Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure you support your favorite show.

Here's what's cracking in the arena today. The Celtics gave the Cavs their first loss of the season, snapping their 15-game winning streak. Does Jason Tatum deserve more love in the MVP conversation? Oh, gosh. The Lakers improved to 7-0 at home for the first time since the 2001-2002 season. We know how that season ended. Has 17th overall pick Dalton Connect solidified himself as a starter moving forward?

I think that 37 piece he just dropped might have something to say about that. And the NBA reportedly has plans for a new All-Star game format. But what can the league do to bring excitement back to All-Star weekend? You see it? Is that Steph's hair you're looking at? Or why are you making that face? No, I'm just saying a new format. Another one?

Another format? I am. Try to get people to watch, Gil. Support. Viewership is on the... I got a good format. On the down, down. Down trending.

I got a very great format. Where is it going to be this year? It is going to be San Francisco, Oakland. Oh, there's nothing they can do about that one. Where is it going to be after that? The greatest city on earth, Los Angeles. Okay, where is it going to be after that? No clue.

Phoenix. Okay, when it goes back. What is your idea? My idea is if you want people to care, take it away from them. Oh, okay. Okay. So what you do is you take it away for one or two years, and then everybody starts getting mad because they ain't got shit to do.

Well, how do you choose which year you take it away? If it was in, like, Indiana last year, they could have did that. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt, no doubt, no doubt. Utah, they could have did. They could have did these last two years right here. And then bring it back in San Francisco. It's been gone for two years. Everybody's like, oh. Utah, they could have did. They could have did these last two years right here. And then bring it back in San Francisco. It's been gone for two years. Everybody's like, oh, shit.

All-star weekend. They care again. I agree with that. We're going to talk a lot more about that in a little bit. But before we do, if you want to get your bread right, go ahead. Download the Underdog app. Use promo code GILL. Get up to $1,000 in bonus cash.

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I felt it. Oh, man. There's a 50% profit boost on this entry, so make sure to take advantage of that. So, like we said, Gil, you went four for five yesterday with only Jalen Brown coming up short. You had him higher at 29.5 points rebound and assist. And he got to 28.

Tough loss right there. As soon as I seen it, it was like a little blow. I'm like, God, come on, man. But tonight, you got Giannis higher 5.5 assists.

That's interesting. Donovan Mitchell higher 3.5 rebounds. Come on, dog. Steph Curry higher 24.5 points. Playing against this little clone,

he gots to be great. Okay. And Clint Cape Curry hired 24.5 point against his little clone. He gots to be okay Clint Capella higher 18.5 points rebounds and assists. Are you playing against track? Okay, I see Yeah, you gotta get going said he playing double. Yeah, yeah, it's just a double double. You gotta send a message Yeah, double double the assistance free. How does everybody else on the couch feel about girls pics? solid Okay for the last one could yeah double the assistance free. How does everybody else on the couch feel about Gil's picks? Solid. Okay. Except for the last one. Could fuck up. He foul out or something.

They always get goofy. That's the only one I was going to question Mark beside the last one. The other ones I think are... Yeah, solid. Yeah. I'm not saying it won't happen. I just said a question. The last Boston Endgame's 29-1, so that's 30. 18-2, that's 20.

The next one's 29. Then 23-4, 24. Then he had a 60-70, 18-19. He's still 14-14-1, 20-29. So he's hit it every time. Uh-oh. And if he don't hit it today, I just thought about it. I'm telling you. If he do not hit today,

that's how it happens. So if he do not hit today, there's a problem. That's why I stopped playing. I stopped playing. I read the last four games. I'm like, oh, ain't no way he not gonna hit it. Ain't no way. So we asked the chat, are you riding or fading Gil's picks? Not are asked the chat, are you riding or fading Gil's picks?

Not are you riding Gil, are you riding Gil's picks? 56% are riding. This is the chat. I'm just telling you, I'm watching in real time. I see all their comments. Just think about it before you say it. I'm just making sure they know. Well.

Giannis' five assists, Golden State defense, I mean, he might be passed a little bit. The five assists is easy. He tried to get a triple-double. He gonna get a triple. Mm. They need to do something different. As always, we do Mostly Fans at the end of every show.

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at mostlyfansgill at gmail.com and they can be included on the show. You get a $100 bonus to your account. And if you can't watch the show live, it's on YouTube. We got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. So we've been talking about the decline in NBA viewership this season. One area that is in desperate need for improvement is All-Star Weekend,

also known as the Black Super Bowl. The NBA All-Star Game is often criticized for its lack of competitiveness, specifically on the defensive end. Last year's All-Star Game was won by the East, who beat the West by a score of 211-186 in the highest-scoring All-Star game in NBA history, but also arguably the most mid in recent memory. So to combat that, Shams is reporting the NBA is considering a new format for the 2025 All-Star game at the Chase Center in the Bay Area. So it'll be a new four-team tournament for the 2025 All-Star Game. Consist of three teams of eight All-Stars each

and the winner of the Rising Stars game. Sources said league officials discussed the concepts in a competition committee meeting this past Friday. So there will be still 24 All-Stars selected, 12 from each conference. The 24 All-Stars will be broken up into three teams of eight players each and will also include the winner of the Rising Stars game

to create a four-team tournament. They had this format in the Rising Stars game, right? It wasn't the worst, but... The fuck is the Rising Stars in there for? Because they hungry, Gil. They're trying to get that bread. It's Rising Stars. I mean, it's first and second-year players playing against

real all-stars and you think they have a chance? Zachary Reese, I can't. How many players is 12 and 12, right? Yes, sir. Won't the fuckers just do 6, 6, 6 and 6? Won't they just do fucking 6 on each team?

Play a fucking quarter? Who's making up the shit y'all got? How about this? Have a prize at the end of every quarter. Ta-da! You say a prize? Prize, like... For the team that wins the quarter. 200,000 for the team that wins the quarter. $200,000 for the team that wins the first quarter.

Awarded. Second quarter, team who wins the second quarter, $200,000. Third quarter, fourth quarter, which means every quarter is playing very hard because they want the $200,000. Yeah. And whoever wins the most quarters, you can give them extra bonus.

And then if it's 2-2, fuck it. Whoever had the most points. Overtime. Right, it's, it's, it's, come on. They're deaf. So reports say that Steph Curry and other all-stars had input on the idea as well. Does that change your opinion of it?

Dumb. Damn, kid. I, I'm, okay, listen. I'm sorry step. I'm playing. I'm playing against LeBron James fair right Bronny potentially I'm playing against Giannis I'm playing against Giannis right and then I'm playing against... Sachet? Right, I'm playing against the rookies, the sophomore game,

that's who I'm gonna be playing against? Like, why? Like, if I'm not playing hard against this group, why the fuck am I gonna play hard against this one? It doesn't make any sense. Where's the accountability, Cheryl? You was an all-star, you went up against them all-stars at the all-star games. Did you play hard?

Am I a vet or a rookie? Younger. Well, yeah. You had to think about it. You had to prove yourself, right? Well, if I'm a rookie, yeah. If I'm younger, yeah. Hell, yeah.

Of course. Rookies, yeah. So all those guys that come in first year, third year, you know it's all start time. It's time to prove yourself. Yeah. I think that's that

they're trying to come up with a format to make these guys play harder, which is, it's the nastiest work. That's not going to do it. If you don't want to play hard, they're not going to play hard.

No. We're in the era of guys who don't care about playing hard. We, as the audience, have to accept they don't give a fuck. No doubt. About you crying. Customer service is not around. I like Gil's idea because if they know, and I don't care how much money they make, but

if they know there's some money on the line, that's going to make them play a lot harder. At the end of every quarter, so that means you got to come out all that shooting, 50 fucking threes, and I can win an extra $10,000, $20,000 at the end of this quarter. No, dog, we're going to play harder. No doubt. I ain't nothing but a stripper now. Cool. Yeah,

does money make you move now? Give me my money. That is what's nasty now, right? That now I can throw money at you to get you to do some stuff that you're supposed to do? Because look, I'm already giving you money to twerk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I gave you 50. You already getting money to twerk.

I already seen that dance. You already been doing the dance all season. What happens when you pull up? Think about it. You already paid me. I got my little money. Well, show me. Show me.

You pull up to big wide. Show me the twerk. I see more money to get. Twerk, twerk, twerk, twerk. But you're doing the same move. You're doing the same move. Pull that 100. Mike, throw the leg up.

Mike, throw the leg up. Yeah, boy. You go. I'm going to shake that 100 out of you. Mm-mm. Oh, you just, come on. So you like the new format? I just feel like they're just creating

a scapegoat for the players. So we saw you just now. I'm just saying, I agree with you. Just get rid of it. Larry Bird went into the locker room and said, guys, come on. This time, let's play hard. OK. And they went come on. This time, let's play hard. And they went out there. This time, let's play hard.

I mean, the last time they didn't. Did the same thing. He's like, damn, well, I went in there. I said something to him. So we saw NBA Cup last season, that $500,000 grand prize. Some teams played hard. Some teams said, you know what?

It may be early in the season, but we're going to battle the odds, give the fans what they want, and win the first ever NCAA tournament championship in NBA history. Other teams did not. What I'm saying is, so you put $500,000 for a prize, and they started this tournament cup. How was the play last year throughout all of it?

Great. Yeah, for some teams. How is it right now? The intensity is up, right? So that didn't, the example right there didn't register in your brains to say, maybe we should just put a grand prize. Instead of at the end of the game, if we want to compete throughout, a grand prize at the end of every quarter.

Just start at 0-0. Every time. Now it makes even the people who come off the bench. And now it makes you want to coach, too. Because now you got to coach to win because you get a bonus, too. So you sit here usually subbing in. LeBron ain't going hard. You're about to sub this person.

Steph ain't going hard. And now you sit here like, yeah, I'm going to get you at the beginning of the quarter, big dog. Let me finish with this. I need to finish, and I need to win this quarter. Think about if it's 2020. What you think that defense is on that last possession?

Lock up. Like, if he hits this, they win the money. It's sad, man. I mean, it's sad that they got to do this, but... Because you're supposed to be your representation of the best players that are in the league. And it's a privilege to be, but it's not. Seen as the best players in the league to showcase why. It should be.

To showcase why. Tell us why. Show us why. Because the best players in the league ain't always on that team. Which is even more of a showcase for the guy who got picked to showcase something. Something. Because you got picked to showcase something. Something.

Because you got picked over somebody who actually everybody feels he deserves to be here. So shoot, show me something. So last All-Star weekend, they added some excitement with the Steph versus Sabrina three-point contest. People in the chat have said, how about a one-on-one battle? I'm going to take it a step further. LeBron versus Bronny. But LeBron got to play with one hand or LeBron got to play blindfolded One-on-one verse brawny. Hmm

Y'all watch that over the all-star game. I know my need that no handicap. Oh man You gotta start at half court You start at half court you get about three dribbles. Three dribbles back. I got that. Bronny, there's Bronny Speed. We need Bronny at the All-Star. If they really want to get people to watch, you need Bronny. You need Bronny playing in the All-Star game? Doing something. Voting man?

Hanging out. Relax. Is this about views or personal feelings? Right? But on a serious note... Does that brought in Katelyn Clark or that motherfucker? Right now, we good.

Well... But this is... In the All-Star weekend in general, it's lost its lust and lost its shine. Of course, it's been in cities that people don't necessarily care about. The league shifted that mandate to bigger cities

that could accommodate international travel, get more fans out there, no more of these layover cities. But what does NBA need to do to bring excitement back to All-Star Weekend as a whole? You know, sometimes, you know, sometimes shit just run its course. Mm. Right?

And, you know, you add little things here and there, like the dunk contest ain't the dunk contest anymore, right? You know, if you don't have the dunk, like, if you don't, like the dunk contest is not necessarily about the names. It's about the dunk, and dunks make the name, right? Like winning the dunk contest is what actually makes your name sometimes. Yeah. Right?

It puts you on the map to win that. So sometimes there's guys who can represent the dunk contest that you don't put in there. The three-point contest, we have that. There might be a time where you do put a one-on-one contest because that is personal.

That is something that I personally want to win. no different than a three-point contest, right? Nobody's going out there just chucking throwing it up there. It's a it's a it's just me I don't have to worry about nobody else's energy It's just me to win is that shit the one-on-one you can fuck around do a two-on-two You can do a two-on- a one on one you gotta figure out something that takes away playing I'm here playing around I don't know what the fuck they did the last

one where they bouncing the ball into the hole and doing all the skills the stupidest shit ever like is he bounce the ball in the thing we gonna throw this we gonna do that we gonna like fuck all that dumb shit that's not competitive competitive is put a dude in front of me and

We're trying to win something now. Now you will see like we watch one on when we watch online We watch one-on-ones right? They damn you about the fight Every clip we watch that will be the same thing in the NBA Because now it's about my pride the whole world's watching. I'm not going to be sitting here fucking around with you. Like sitting here. No, you're going to be trying to embarrass me.

I got to guard Luka, Kyrie, or Shea. I'm not sitting here trying to just throw the ball up and chuckle. You guys are trying to embarrass me. But the difference is there's being picked for the All-Star game and then saying, I want to be a part of the All-Star game. When you say you want to be a part of it, that means you're participating at the maximum. Yeah.

Right? So think about all the guys who are asked, who don't want to be a part of it, feel obligated. Mm-hmm. And they get there, they don't want to do it, they don't want to win it. They have no competitive spirit. Mm. Right? Mm-hmm. And we get there, they don't want to do it, they don't want to win it. They have no competitive spirit. Mm.

Right? Mm-hmm. And we could just say something like, just from friend to friend, athlete to athlete, if we got a goal right here and we all got past the ball to make it, we all trying to beat each other. Mm-hmm. For sure. So it's like, where is that spirit?

That spirit has gone. It's disappeared. So if we did get rid of the All-Star game, what would it do to the fan base? What would it do to the morale of the league? You're getting rid of one of the premier places where we can showcase the best players, not just on the floor individually on their teams,

but against each other, taking the challenge. Well, yeah, but you're not really showcasing that because they're not really playing. Exactly, which is the mockery of it, so now you have to change it, which, like he said, it runs its course. Yeah. Which it has.

If you really think about dunk contests, if we done seen all the dunks we done see, ain't too much more we can see. And if y'all not doing it, and there's somebody outside the league that's doing it, what's the point of the dunk contest? Three-point. It's supposed to be skills, right? We're supposed to be showcasing skills.

Three-point contest. If Steph don't shoot every time, Clay don't shoot every time, and Dame don't shoot every time, we not going to get a real winner. Trey Young not going. Like, y'all not going up against each other to win. We don't know who the best shooter is. And that's the thing right there. Like, you have a three-point contest,

and you're going off of percentage. Yeah. That ain't the fucking best. That ain't the best. Like, he shoots fucking a half a shot a game. Right. Right, he shoots 70%. That is not a value.

They're volume shooters. Volume shooters is people who are taking a lot of shots. You can really see how good they can shoot. Yep. Right? So some guy who shoots one or two shots a game, shooting at a 60% clip, that is not a three-point marksman.

No. So, question. So last year, the Sabrina-Steph competition, people like that or no? They enjoyed it. They enjoyed it. I didn't. So, you didn't.

No. I enjoyed it. I thought they was reaching. No, I... No, look. I enjoyed it because she shot from the NBA 3. Yeah. Right?

And... Yeah. Well, damn. Right? It kind of, like, put perspective in how good she can shoot. So, here's my question. Do you have a competition where, instead of it being Steph versus Sabrina,

they're going against each other, do you have a team? That's what I was thinking. Steph and Sabrina are a team. Now, Kaitlyn Clark and whoever is a team, and another WNBA player and another NBA player is a team. We talked about potentially expanding it out to making it two-on-two or another format like that. And does that make it more exciting

than what they did last year? Then you would have to do this. You guys can't pick the teams. You pick captains and say, all right, here's my five captains here in the men's side, five captains on the women's side. You captains pick who you... Because we're're players We know who can shoot the fucking ball. Yeah Let it let let Steph go pick his player that he want to shoot with most likely

He's gonna go get clay or or probably or at the fan. Yeah, let the fans pick fuck. No You know why we done with us Because all of the guys can shoot. Everybody can shoot. No. It don't matter whose team you're on. But why? I think it makes it more interesting if the fans. Yeah, because it don't matter.

It's like random select. No. You don't know who on your team. Yeah. The fans are like, I want to see. Are you Sabrina and Clay versus Caitlyn and Steph? I agree. Let's see them two together.

No, but what I'm saying is, like, then let the team already be picked. Like, I don't want a whole bunch of people being picked and they not the best. Right? No, I'm saying, among the best.

No, there's a pool, though. No, we're saying a pool. A pool of all the best shooters and the fans get to pick who the teams are. Who's on what team between the pool of players. Yeah, like, you already know

that here are the five guys, here are the five women. And then the fans get to vote. I'm going to put Sabrina with whoever. Trae Young. Yeah. Yeah. Fair.

You know. Why can't we let Steph pick Clay? Because it makes it fun for the All-Star game. Remember what we're trying to do. We're trying to make it more engaging. We're making it more engaging, though. But it's still going to be competitive because you supposedly have the best of the best. Yes, the best of the best. So it We're trying to be competitive. We're making it more engaging, though. But it's still going to be competitive because you supposedly have the best of the best.

Yes, the best of the best. So it's still going to be competitive. No matter who's on what team, we all can shoot. Yeah. For sure. It's okay, sir. Bye, sir. If I'm Clay, if I'm Curry, I want my Splash brother.

I've watched his work ethic. You don't want your Splash brother. You just let him walk. You don't want that, man. You don't want your Splash brother. You just let him walk. You don't want that, man. You don't want to hear that. Yeah, but he... We're not responding to the text. I want him.

Now you have KD. KD is going to pick the guy he knows can shoot that shit. We might not know who that person is. Let him pick that to compete against us. But it still makes it more exciting, I think, if the fans are the ones saying, mm-mm, this is who we want to see. This is who we want to see.

How do they know who the greatest shooter is? They only go by percentage. No, they're going by the pool of players to pick from. And who's picking the pool? We are, I guess. That's the problem. Who's picking the pool? The players who actually, like you said, volunteer.

Who wants to be a part of it? Because we're not going to force them to do it. So we ask Clay. Yeah, because when you force them, to me, that's when you don't get shit. Yeah. Like, example, the women's three-point shooting contest this year,

Sabrina was like, I don't want to shoot. Mm-hmm. But if you ask her to shoot this next year in the NBA All-Star like she did with Steph, she's all in it. Absolutely. So the point of you don't force them to do it. Just say who wants out of the best three-point shooters we have,

who wants to shoot in the three-point contest? Who wants to prove they're the best. So another question for you guys. Does the city have anything to do with it? Like as an All-Star, are you more excited to go to Vegas versus Salt Lake City? Yeah, but that's the problem. Like, there's going to be some times

where you have to fluctuate, no different than just life itself, right? Certain cities, you need to pay a little bit more to get people there, versus like, you know, if it's in L.A., right, if it's in L.A., I don't need to convince, I don't need to throw $50,000 at a player it's in L.A., right, if it's in L.A., I don't need to convince. I don't need to throw $50,000

at a player to participate in L.A. This is where you want to play. Utah, I might have to, hey, I got $75,000. You know what I mean? I might have to do that. Why not do it like the Super Bowl and just have a six-city rotation, seven-city rotation? It should be that way. L.A., New York, Vegas,

Houston, Atlanta. No, New York. No, New York, Vegas, Houston, Atlanta. No New York. No New York. Okay, well. Too cold, city's not big enough. Like, I mean, it's... Yeah. I mean, we're talking about February. February has to be in a place

where everybody can go and wear the shit that they want to wear. Like, you know, the women want to wear shit that attracts men. You want that shit in a hot city. Okay. No doubt.

No doubt. You know how I look? Ashy-ass legs and elbows in Chicago. They trying to wear some skirts going to the club. Very cool. Weigged and flew 50 miles.

Whole bunch of bald heads. Collar shaking. Over there sitting there shaking. Weigged and flew. Collar, shaking, pride people. Over there sitting there shaking. Wigged and forgot. What's that? Hey, baby, god damn. I was in Chicago for All-Star week. Did I just get her number?

It was cold. I know. I can't stand you. I can't stand you. You can walk down the street, Chicago, Cleveland, without, you know, your ears start burning because it's so cold. But we asked the chat, are you a fan of the new All-Star Game format?

73% said it's dumb. All right, but let's get into some basketball. 73%? 73% said it's dumb. It is dumb. The one in front? Just tell them to play harder. And I'm sorry, one last question.

So will they do a draft? Like they've been done before? Yeah. Like the captain-captain? Since it'll be three teams, though. They probably do three captains, let them pick eight, seven guys per team. The captain picks seven players for the three.

And then the rising stars... Yeah, you got... Blame. Yeah. Or they put them all together, so... In a pool. So that means, like, you got one rising star captain, and then you got, like, okay, so let means like you got to write a one rising star captain and then you got like, okay

So let's say Steph or LeBron and then Giannis then it's those three captains Then they're gonna be picking players and then the rising stars team that wins that rising stars competition how they say I think you just take rising stars from the sophomores Whoever is off more everyday players are that when they're soft more like cuz I'm pretty. Because I'm pretty sure. How many rookie teams actually beat the sophomore team? Has that ever happened? We got Konek. We got Bronny. Has that ever happened?

How many times has that happened where the freshman team actually beat the sophomore team? So basically the sophomores. So it's Winby's group. Yeah, you're right. Fair, fair. Now think about the Giannis and the Steph or LeBron who's picking for their team. You really think they're going to pick? The only person that will be picked like top will be Wimby.

No, I think they'll just have their own separate team. Then it makes it even worse. The Rising Stars will be their crew, and then the 24 All-Stars will get divvied up amongst the actual All-Star players. But it's, how many? It's 8, 12? 8, 8, 8. So 24 players, 8, 8, 8. And then I think the rising stars teams are 8, 8, 8 too if I'm not mistaken.

So it's four teams? It'll be four teams total. Four teams of eight playing against each other. So four from the rookie class, four from the sophomore. No, just whoever that, I think that rising stars team that wins. The rising stars team is 12 players, right? They split those up into like 8-8-8 or 6-6-6 or something like that. I forget. Wait, wait, what?

No. So the Rising Stars game is already that format. It's three different teams of eight guys and they all play against each other. And how do they determine the winner? It's dumb. I didn't care. I don't know. I play against you, if I beat you, I play against you, I beat you, I'm good, that's it, it's It's dumb. I didn't care. I don't know. Like, I play against you. If I beat you, I play against you.

I beat you, I'm good. That's it. It's over? Yeah. First one to win two games? Yeah. First to two. Yeah.

And moving on, let's talk actual real basketball in Adam Silver's NBA. That is dumb. So, 15-0 Cavs pulled up to Boston for their second NBA Cup game, first meeting against the defending champion Celtics. Jason Tatum continued to show why he's not only the number one option on the Celtics, but needs to be in the convo for number one option in the league this season. So Tatum delivered his league-leading ninth 30-point game this season, dropping 33 points, 12 rebounds, 7 assists,

and 2 steals in 38 minutes, hitting 6 of the Celtics' 22 threes in the game. First of all, how do y'all feel about this court? It's like a tennis court. I hate it. It's nasty work. Trash. Nasty work, nasty work.

It's horrible. Trash! The game was close in the first half until the Celtics went on a 19-7 run to end the second quarter, took a 17-point lead in the break. Cavs overcame a 21-point third-quarter deficit to cut the lead to within two, but that's as close as they would get

as the Celtics held on to get their biggest win of the season to date. Donovan Mitchell led the Cavs with 35 points and eight rebounds. 13 for 29 from the field, 3 for 11 from three. Evan Mobley had 22-11 boards and six assists. Darius Garland had his worst game of the season, going 3 for 21 from the field, 0 for 6 from three. Evan Mobley had 22-11 boards and 6 assists. Darius Garland had his worst game of the season, going 3 for 21 from the field, 0 for 6

from 3, finishing with 8.7 assists and 31 minutes of action. In addition to Tatum's 33-piece, Al Horford added 20 points, 7 blocks. Al Horford. Al Horford. 20 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks, going 4 for 5 from deep. Derek White had 19, 6 boards and 5 dimes.

And unfortunately, Gil, Jalen Brown, 17 and 8 assists. I'm shy of helping you get your partner packed. It's okay, man. You know what I mean? No, it's not. I'm a, you know, you take care of a lot of people over here, Gil. What do they always say? I don't give a fuck about your parlay.

We do care here at Underdog. We do care. So I can already hear you. So six Celtics scored in double figures in the game, and Boston has now won seven of their last eight games, including four straight. Rashad, you are a former Celtics fan, current Knicks fan. Hope we still have love for Beantown.

But what's your reaction to Celtics giving the Cavs their first loss of the season? It's a good game. Definitely a good game. Garland didn't play well. I expected a little bit more from the Celtics, but, you know, it's what I thought Cleveland was going to deliver to the Eastern Conference this year. It's always going to be a hard-fought game to the end if they're healthy. It's going to one-two possession game. It's gonna dictate who wins and Celtics have more to prove than anybody else. You think as a defending champ the Celtics still have more to

prove? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because they can't show faults, they can't show gaps, they can't show weaknesses that contribute to them ultimately collapsing, right? You're only as strong as the weakest link. No one's figured out what that is yet. So when they do, it's going to be ultimately up to them to kind of fix it in real time. Let's move to this side, Cheryl. Obviously, Celtics franchise record 15 wins.

One of four teams to start a season 15 or better. All the other ones have gone on to reach the finals but Surprising with this out this why I don't think a lot of people you told himself to be 15 to know to start the season They would have Believed you but here we are but what do you think about the game in the Celtics handing the Cavs their first loss? Well, I didn't watch the game, but I will just comment on the Celtics. Anytime you are the defending champions and you're coming into the season, you've got to show up.

I know some people are like, there's no pressure, but you're the defending champions. You know everybody's going to give you their best shot. And considering the Cavs had not lost, you knew the Celtics were going to want to come in and give you their best shot. And considering the Cavs had not lost, like, you knew the Celtics were going to want to come in and give them their first loss. But personally, I've been pretty impressed with what the Celtics have been able to do so far this season. 12-3, second in the East right now.

Defending champ, so... The only flaw I don't... I mean, I see that they're not consistently doing this. Like, getting filed. They don't know how to get filed. And I don't like that idea. I mean, you know, you're better than everyone, but you can dominate everyone. If you understood how to put people in the penalty,

right? Put people in the penalty. Get foul. Because you guys shoot jump shots and everything is trying to jump away from everybody. Go back to the beginning of the video.

Jason Tatum is a jumper. Right here. Two feet, gone. Go back. Now go slow. You jump. Right there. See, you're going off of two.

He's jumping with you. You should be jumping so you're no contact. That should be an N1. Right? so you're no contact. That should be an N1. Right? He should be able to, if you jump, if you're jumping at him, like it's not like he's taking a charge. He's jumping up. Did they call a foul right here though?

No, they didn't call no foul. Yeah, they called an N1. Oh, they did? Oh, they ended up calling it? Yeah. But that's what he does. Keep going. Keep going.

So you're saying he shies away from the contact. Yeah, all of them boom now right here like What you want go back look where you look where he falls Really I know exactly I know exactly what he's talking about go So self is currently ninth in the league of free throw attempts per game. All right, so he falls right there. That's a jump shot right there where his left leg was. Absolutely it was. Now you're going, right? But he wanted a three.

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So, you're moving away. So, Self is currently ninth in the league in free throw attempts per game, first in the league in three-point attempts at 50.5 per game, eight more in the next closest team, which is the Bulls, at 42.5. I get what you're saying. I believe that when you don't have a foundational offense that is predicated to getting fouled,

you're just having a free-flowing offense otherwise where you're depending on drive and kick, drive and kick, drive and kick, make something happen. So that play you was just explaining where he beat him and he stepped back, he's avoiding the contact, it's because it's free motion now. It's just

like pick up. It's pick up ball. So if you're running a play and I'm telling you when you catch the ball, you turn this corner and you score it, no matter who's in your way, bro, you're running a play and I'm telling you when you catch the ball you turn this corner and you score it No matter who's in your way, bro. You're gonna get that foul Like you said, I'm going to get that contact to score it. They're not doing that because there's no offense or they took out baiting Well, even if you took out You still not trying but you see how you take something out and there's another problem.

See, the problem you had was baiting foul. Trying to sit here, pump fake, pump fake, jump, jump, jump. You're shooting too many free throws. Right? Shooting too many free throws. Now you're complaining, shooting too many threes. Right. Do y'all not think of, if we take this away, what's going to happen? Like, do you not think of that?

Like, there's always a reaction to the action. Because if I'm not getting the call, I might as well shoot the three. If I'm not going to get the call, I'm going to shoot the three. Because it's a turnover if I go in there and I get fouled and you don't call it. It's a turnover. Yep. I'm shooting it. If I come and do the T-Mac Hesi and you jump and I get you.

Now, if I know you're not going to do that, fucking I'm going to sidestep. Yeah. Sidestep, shoot my open shot. That's what you done turned the game into. Your little rules that you're complaining about here is changing something here. You keep trying to change these little things, and you're not actually. Start talking to basketball players. If we take this away from you, what are you going to do?

And let them give you the answer versus a bunch of referees who never played the game at a high level sitting there saying, well, you know, they sit here doing this and pump faking and doing this and trying to get the foul. We're going to take this away from them. And you don't know what the recourse is. So what happens when you do this? Everything's twos. Get rid of the three-point line. Bring it back.

Everything's two. Back down memory lane. What happens to the mentality of the player when everything is two? Now you know how much of a bad shot that is You know how much accountability you got to take now if everything's to and you're pulling a 40-footer Why well not for stuff, but not for stuff not for dance certain guys It's like you give me some I'm gonna take it but it's no longer the concept is threes more than two Well, then you probably have players that want the contact. Yes.

So now it's the only way you're going to get that three is... And ones. Yeah. So now I'm driving. I'm going back to my mid-range. Now I come from... Ooh! Now I start averaging with this talent.

140 points a game. Man, that scoring goes way up. Because now there's no center down there to actually stop us. Boom! I get to jump through everybody's chest. Foul trouble galore. Go to your bench. But then, do you have

on the defensive side, do you have players playing off of you a little bit more? But I'm saying because you're taking the three away, right? So they're going to play. If you're standing back there behind the three-point line, do you have the defense playing off of you like, well, shoot it.

It's only going to be a two anyway. Well, picture no line. No. No? No, because. Picture no line at all. Ain't no line. Shoot it.

Remember, these players are stupid. They're still stupid, right? You know, you still got stupidness in there. So if they don't see a line, it can't get there. Not all of them. I'm just saying they're still stupid, right? You know, you still got stupidness in there. So if they don't see a line it don't They'll make a line Back up to the goddamn Where do I go? Where do I go? Wow. I don't know this place. I don't know this place. You take away the concept of, right, these guys have learned from lines. Like, okay, the three-point line, I stop right here.

Okay, below the free throw line, I got a thing to do this, right? You take it away from them, they wasn't taught just basketball. And think about where you catch the ball as a shooter. It is. When you see the line. Where's the logo? The fucking logo read the dollar. There ain't no more short twos.

Ain't no more long twos. It just goes back to the 60s. It does. It's just the highest scoring era. It does. It goes back to them. I'll do whatever. You're going to still have your pistol piece.

You're going to still have the guys who can actually still shoot and you're still going to pick up Steph and Dame from the half court. That's just naturally. Yeah, there are players you have to do that to. Steph don't give a fuck if it's a two or a three. If you're going to back up and give me my open shot, I'm going to shoot my open shot.

And like you said, guys like Vando and all those other guys that played for the Mavericks last year. Jones Jr. You look stupid now. You look crazy. You wouldn't even be out there to shoot a three like that. Yeah, now because, whoa, whoa, whoa, you shooting too

fucking far. Absolutely. Now let's get to your range. That's what we used to say, right? School in. Hey, school in. That ain't your range, bro. What you doing? You know what I mean? Hey, school in. That ain't your range. That ain't your range, bro. What you doing? You know what I'm talking about, yeah? Like, what's so funny is we know that's not your range, but they're allowing you to shoot it.

That's why the game is fucked up. No one's saying nothing. Like, hey, what are you doing out there, bro? Yeah. Oh, well, I'm working on my three. Why? You ain't even working on your two. Yeah, that's not what you do.

That's not what you do. That's not what you do. Here, NBA, how about this? You just do it for one game. Do it in, not summer league, but do it in preseason. Preseason. Take away the NBA 3. See what happens. Right?

That would be dope. Then you watch the guy watch all the shooters And the guys who think they're shooters watch where they stand and unbelievable I guarantee you when you start looking at where they stand it won't be the old three-point line No, they gonna start getting to the shit. They can shoot way closer. Yeah, I'm sorry I'm sure I can sure I can make an 18 footer. But yeah, I was trying to get three points Then it looks like Looks like the college is shrinks the floor shrinks the floor. So shall you said potentially doing that in the all-star game?

Now if you want to make it more exciting no threes everything is a The court look for Boston and that that tournament setting just take the line out No threes shoot from wherever everywhere you shoot from is equal And then you get to see now like when they do like you take away the three now when he does when we're Jason does A step back. He ain't doing a step back looking for the three Looking at the line. Yes what he was doing. It's a line shot, too. They're looking at the line.

Yes, they're looking at line hunting. His step back was where is the line. We say don't line hunt. Stop line hunting. You take your eye off the ball. I'm going to be right here, boom. Because if there's no three, he probably doesn't even do the step back. He doesn't. And you know what he does?

He goes back and then do the... No, no, no. He pushed him off. He comes back between the legs and he goes to the opposite. He goes back. No, no, no. He pushed him off. He comes back between the legs, and he goes to the opposite. He goes to the right. Or he pushes it back and just stop right here and shoot a fucking regular jump shot like everybody else. Like, boom.

That step back was like, oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, I got you now. I can do whatever. I can do some jumping jacks. So you guys talked about Tatum. Let's talk about him for a second and the impressive season that he's having so far with or without the three-point line

So Tatum leading the league in total points has the most 30-point game this season and has the most games with five plus threes He's averaging 30 points a rebound six assists on 46 39 81 shooting splits Leading the Celtics in points Rebounds and assists per game this season. Okay, JT. Now, we saw the Olympics nubbing, the benching. We've seen them trying to create a rift between Jalen Brown and Tatum. Who's the number one option?

Whose team is it? But what statement has Jason Tatum made so far this season? Should have played me in the Olympics. You still got that gold medal. I understand that. Gold, baby. USA. USA is bigger than one man.

I don't think he made any statements. He hasn't made any statements so far this year. No, I think the media wants him to make a statement. I think just this conversation of him making a statement is... He's being consistent every year when it comes to the first half of the season. That's why he's been where he's been. His name is where it's at because he's been getting 30 a game, 28 a game. That's the consistent part of him.

It's just when it's time to get it done, can he get it done? That's the question. Postseason, you're saying? Yeah, postseason. It ain't never... Jason Tatum has always almost been an MVP for him. Led the Celtics' points rebound assist in the postseason as well, though, right? Yeah, I mean, so when you look at just performance-wise,

I mean, he got the tool set. It's just... Fuck the haters, fuck motherfuckers. Maybe he's not... outwardly trying to make a statement, but he is making a statement. And even if it's not to the Olympic team or whatever, but he is making a statement of, I am the man.

He is. I see your face right now. What is it for? Not impressed? Nothing has changed. We... We... I feel bad for this era.

I feel bad for this generation and the generations moving forward. The reason is this. You penalize someone for getting somewhere and failing. You will penalize that guy, but the guy who didn't get there, there's no grade on him. Right? There's no grade on him, right? Now, if you go by someone who got to the finals, how many times? I believe twice in his career. Twice in his?

Yeah. Yeah, loss to the Warriors, 2022. Obviously, he won it this past season. So he's been to the Eastern Conference finals. With five, six times. They penalize him for losing right he gets to the finals twice they penalize him for losing and then you pump a bunch of guys up who's who never even been there at that same time frame so when you got there when your team was ready when your team was ready, when your team was good enough to be a champion

and you won, you get credit for it. Right? Now, his talent got him there. His team wasn't ready to win. His team was young. You penalized the young guys for being good

and winning early. How's that fair? Now, you penalize a guy for getting to the finals at 19? Why didn't you win? Oh, I... Motherfucker, I come off the bench. Like, I'll be, you're penalizing guys who's not, like, these guys are 20.

Like, if Shea gets there now with the team, you're going to penalize him for losing to a veteran team? You can't do that, man. It has to be context in some of this stuff. So he's penalized for, at the age of 26, he's penalized for having success. Five Eastern Conference Finals appearances so far, two Finals appearances so far in his career.

But see, that's the dynamic. What do you mean penalized? Penalized. Like, oh, he don't have it. He's not this. He's not that. Look at Jason Tatum. Yeah.

Like... Like the media's penalizing him? Yeah. No, I just think... Like, what he's doing right now is no different than what he's done for the last four years.

The definition of winner and loser is what's penalizing him because all the stuff he's not a winner all the stuff you're talking about coming to him being second place so many years he finally got first place last year you don't get rewarded for second place so he don't get no credit for being young and winning early when you didn't win anything. You got there. See, kudos.

Because you know who else got there? A lot of other guys got there that we don't talk about that don't get credit for not winning, for being second place. So it really don't matter until you win. Now that you've won, you're showing us that it matters. You're showing us that, look, we win because I'm good, but all that other winning

shit before time, it's like you was losing. But you win last season, but you don't win Eastern Conference Finals MVP that goes to Jalen Brown. No, man, no, y'all can't. You can't do that. I'm just... No, what I'm saying is you can't do that. You can't say that you came in second place. You're a loser.

But then my same time frame... No, I'm saying you came in second place. you're a loser, but then my same time frame... No, I'm saying you came in second place, you're not the champion. Cool. You're not the ultimate winner. But if you didn't win, you are a loser. Okay, but cool.

No, no, no, I get that. Put it on a T-shirt. I get that. But my six years, I came in, what, third place four times. I came in second place once. What's the name? Now, I got a guy, his first six years, he didn't even make it to this bitch. He didn't even make it.

He don't even have a first place finally. Nothing. And then he gets to the championship his first time at 28, wins the championship. Now his legacy is better than mine. Y'all was on the same level the whole time because y'all both was losing. But that doesn't, how does that work? Because there's only one winner.

But how does that work? Because that's sports though. The same age, I'm in second place, you're in last. But that's sports. Second place last, second place last. But that's why you always have a chance. That's why I've been saying it. This is last place.

You always got a chance. If I'm last place and I play first place, he decides not to show up and play that night, and we win, guess who won? Man, I was supposed to win. That part is true. That's what happens. My legacy is being pushed behind a dude who got there.

He's one for one. We played eight years. He's one for one in the championship. Buster Douglas' legacy is I knocked Mike Tyson out on one night where he fucked up. He made my legacy. Thank you, Mike. You can't fuck up. You can't be second place and won't win.

Aren't there very levels? Everybody's got second place who loses, all right? You can't be second place and won't first place reward. No, I don't care about first place reward. No, I don't get first place reward. How is the person who didn't even get there in his time frame get rewarded when he do get there and win? Because he get there. That's why. He ain't got nothing to do with

time frame. No, that part I agree with. Like, is it fair? No. But it's the rules. It's reality. The reality is you was a loser. If you ain't first, you was. The reality, your first six years, you was a loser.

Like, you was literally a loser. But because you never got there, no one graded you. You get no grade. Michael Jordan got graded for the first six years. No, he didn't. Yes, he did. No, he did. He was a loser.

No, he didn't. He was a loser. No one talks about Jordan's first six years. Oh, we didn't even play basketball We do all the time The reason why they don't talk about what he didn't do is what he did that's what he did outside Because what I'm saying is at the age Where you're penalizing you're penalizing the tatums like right now if we say if we say, all right, Tatum, from this age to this age, compare you to Michael Jordan.

In reality, there shouldn't be no comparisons then. Why? Because Jason Tatum has a championship. At a younger age. At his age. He's 26 with a championship. Michael Jordan had a championship at 26. See, so in theory,

if you stop everybody at their age as they compare them to the greats, it'd be a different fucking look. But nobody wants to do that. Yeah, because back then

it wasn't letting motherfuckers come out after their first year in high school. It's an age difference for a reason. It was for a reason. That's the reason.

And you're holding that against the conversation. Magic. Technically. It's the conversation we're having. you're holding that against the conversation. Magic. Technically. It's the conversation we're having. Be honest. You're having an age conversation from back in the day where they didn't have that conversation.

You're saying one guy. That's not a strong enough conversation. The judge is going, guilty. That ain't enough. Guilty. It ain't enough. Guilty. In reality, the most dominant player from before the age of 30, it should be Magic and Kobe. When it comes to just dominance, right? Magic had, what, five rings before the age of 30, right?

Kobe damn near had, what, five rings before the age of 30. Right? Colb damn near had, what, four? Magic won. Colb won. Jason Tatum did not. He got one. When? Recently. Recently. 25.

How long has he been in the league? Since he was what age? So you penalized him for being... Since he was... You penalized him for being good enough to get in at 18 while your ass was still in high school? Yeah. How do you penalize him for that? Yeah, because he's here.

Like, how do you penalize him? Like you're saying, Bronny, you don't have to go to college. Just learn from your dad. And you'll be good enough while you're here. Jason Tatum, one year at Duke is all you need. You'll learn while you're here. All right, you've been learning. What'd you learn?

How to get to five Eastern Conference finals? Yeah, it's a little bit harder than it looks, right? It's a little bit harder than it looks, right? Why would we give you credit for making it difficult on you? Like, it's difficult to win.

It's difficult. Like this, like this. You don't get credit for losing. Like this. LeBron James, right? He went to the finals at 22. 22 years old. 22.

They mocked him for getting swept at 22 to Tim Duncan. The hardest sweep in the NBA here. Who mocked him, though? The world mocked him. You got swept. I thought you were supposed to be the chosen one when his comparison just got drafted. That's the reality of it, though.

You're penalizing you're penalizing a guy for getting somewhere at a young age even when he's not developed to win he's not ready to win if Wimby gets to the championship and lose 4-0 there's nothing against his legacy

you're not even old enough mentally to win yet but how are we penalizing him what is the penalty he's getting the credit he's all Legacy? You're not even old enough mentally to win yet. But how are we penalizing him? You do. What is the penalty? He's getting the credit. He's all NBA. He's an all-star. He's on the best team in the NBA.

What more credit do you want? But five Eastern Conference finals in his first seven seasons. What penalties are... That's not impressive. Is he not getting all the awards? Are you trying to Beyonce him? You got to give him all the awards. You're pretending. No, the narrative is he's...

Country, too. You want the country award, too. The narrative is... It was a good song. He can't do it as a number one option. That was a good narrative. How is that a good narrative? Because they didn't do it.

Because they didn't do it with him as a number one option. But everybody... That narrative shifted. That's why they gave the MVP to the other guy. But when was the, what I'm saying is his comparison across the board, when they won the championship and they were the number

one guy, what age were these guys? You got to put everything in perspective. You can't say a 20, a 20, an age doesn't put it in perspective. You can't say a 19, 20, 23 year old can't say a 20, a 20, a 19. Age doesn't put it in perspective. You can't say a 19, 20, 23-year-old can't win a championship being the number one option, but his comparisons, they won championships at 27, 28, 29. Like, they matured to win this.

He hasn't got through his shit yet, so he's taking L's early. But you can't say, oh, he can't win as the number one option. He hasn't defined his game yet. Yeah, that's what we've been trying to say about Donovan Mitchell, but y'all don't want to have that conversation. Who? Who? Anybody.

The conversation you're having about Tatum, if he can't win as a number one option, they say that about Donovan Mitchell, they say that about, there's a lot of people who they say that about, but if you can't get it done as a number one option, it must be true but who did at certain ages

like this age like if that's your only argument is that is the only argument I don't want to have an argument because the age don't matter get it done or not Magic Johnson got it done at 19 didn't he but he wasn't number one all right now you can give me another excuse give me another but number one give me another but give me another goal

you said number one option but he was young though right but but. Give me another goal. You said number one option. But he was young, though, right? But you said the number one option. He was the number one option. Who was the number one option in the finals? Thank you. All right. You don't want to go here with me because Kareem didn't play in the finals.

He didn't play in the final game. He played in the finals. Do you want his numbers in the finals? Do you need his numbers in the finals? He just missed the last game. Who was the MVP? Do you want his numbers in the finals? Do you need his numbers in the finals? He just missed the last game. Who was the MVP? Do you need his numbers? Who was the MVP?

Do you need his numbers? Who was the MVP? Do you need his numbers? Was Magic Johnson the MVP? Yes. Okay. Because he didn't play in the last game. Read his numbers in the finals.

33.4 points. Say it again. 33 points, 14 rebounds, 5 blocks in 5 games in the 1980 NBA Finals. Who was the MVP? Irvin Magic Johnson. Alright, thank you very much. The Boston Celtics won. Who was the MVP? Recently. Don't get amnesia! You're a hot seat! You gotta answer quickly!

Who? Jason Tatum's teammate, Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown, thank you very Brown. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. So, who is the youngest? Who is the youngest? Urban Magic Johnson did exactly what he's saying Jason Tatum should have done. And he can't get it done because you ain't winning.

Who is the youngest? How about this? Who is the youngest champion? Tuco. That was the number one option. Can we find that out? The youngest NBA champion as the number one option.

Will it be Tim Duncan? Probably Tim Duncan. Probably Tim Duncan? We will research, but I want to give you Magic's 1980 NBA finals stats. So Magic averaged... 24? 23? Magic averaged 22, 11, and 9 assists

in those 1980 NBA finals. Magic averaged 22, 11, 9 assists in those 1980 NBA Finals. Magic average 22-11, nine assists in the 1980 NBA Finals. Kareem averaged 33-14 in five blocks. One less game, though. One less game. Not to deal with finals. The MVP obviously had that. And that 22-a-game, all that in heightened,

because how much did Magic have in the last game to help boost? Like 42-15. Okay, okay. Something around there. Yeah, it boosted it? Like 42, 15, something like that. Something around there. It boosted it up. Okay, got it. I remember. 42, 15, and 7.

Three steals, too. Just saying, you can't pin it. Impressive. So, yeah, so Duncan won one at 22. He was the number one option, right? Yes. So he was the youngest? Yeah.

I mean, he would be. You got to think about, yeah? Yes. So he was the youngest? Yeah. I mean, he would be. You got to think about, yeah, he would be one of the youngest that probably won a championship being the number one option, yeah. So we asked the chat, is Tatum the frontrunner for MVP? More than 2,000 votes. 54% said no. 54% said no. Joker's still doing his thing.

Missed a couple games. Understand that. That's what I'm saying, man. Anthony Marshawn Davis. Once you get that tag. The NBA Cup championship. It's like they tag you as something, and then they really believe the tag. That's the problem.

Like, you would rather not. Like, Luka, you got to the championship. Your team wasn't good enough to win. You get tagged. You get tagged right now. They still call him Fluka. Yeah, you get tagged. It goes.

It's the strike. You'd rather not get there. Like, it's one of those things that you'd rather not get there until your team is ready to win. No. The challenge is, don't doubt me, be about me.

If you doubt, don't doubt me, be about me. Man, I'm going to get there. Watch me. Don't doubt me, be about me. Watch me. I don't need no there. Watch me. Don't doubt me. Watch me. I don't need no handouts.

Huh. Look, look, look. That's interesting. What y'all over there being secretive about? All these years. We got a big turkey in the background. Thanksgiving around the corner. Listen, what he's going to make me do. Wait a minute.

What a shot. What you got over here? He's going to make me use this. What's that, the Rick and Morty? Uh-oh. The official. Uh-oh. He's gonna make me use it. Zappy. Nah. Because, you know, if you use this, it alters all different universes and all kinds of shit.

Alright. Gotta be cautious. But let's keep this thing moving. Keep this thing moving. Football and basketball are in full swing. Say that again? That's what? No, it's impressive. His numbers are impressive. And he gets treated like he's just second fiddle. He gets treated like a light-skinned brother with privilege. It is an unfortunate time for him.

What? No, he don't. Yes, he does. He gets treated like a light-skinned brother with privilege. He is Steph Curry's little cousin. He's waiting in line. No, he would have had MVPs by now. He's waiting in line. Oh, he would have had MVPs by now. He's waiting in line.

Mommy, I'm next. Wow. Well, let's keep it moving. You see Jalen Brown over there mad. I'm going to push him down the steps tomorrow. We got some more important basketball topics to discuss. But football and basketball are in full swing. That's why I need to tell you about our special hookup from today's sponsor, SeatGeek.

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I'm done. What happened? I'm done. What'd you discover? I'm done. Okay, uh-oh. I'm just getting drunk. I'm done. I'm done. I'm just getting drunk. I'm done. I'm done. I'm officially done with all awards. Why are you officially done with all awards, Gil? I had to...

Okay, so they have the MVP award tracker right now, right? Yes, they do. Have y'all looked at that? I don't support square media, generally. Okay. Jason Tatum. Mm-hmm. They got him at one.

Oh, okay. Anthony Davis at two. Anthony Marshawn Davis. Shea at one. Okay, Anthony Davis at two Anthony Marshawn Davis Shay at three Now four is the problem I'm having right now Four is the Cleveland Cleveland Cavaliers guy. All right, it's one of your own Shut up shit. I Resident cash, but it's the fourth option the own. Shout out Shook. Our resident captain.

But it's the fourth option. The fourth option is four. Who is the fourth option? Who do you think is the fourth option

on the team? Okay, who's the fifth option then? Jared Allen. Yes. They have Jared Allen

at fourth. For MVP. For MVP. Hold MVP? For MVP. Hold on a second, let me... Stop the cap. He's not a basketball reference. That's a basketball reference, but you can't... I don't give a shit.

I don't care what reference it is. You're talking about Garland at eight, Donovan at nine, and Jared Allen at four? I don't think, yeah, because according to the NBA, I think this was a couple days ago, but they have Joker, Tatum, KD, SGA, Anthony Davis, with Steph, Giannis, Luka, Donovan, Mitchell, LeBron, rounding out the team. Okay.

I'm just letting you know. All right. Whoever cited this, they should be banned. This was from November 15th. No, no, whoever did this should be banned. What is this? That's the basketball. Basketball recognition just cut the account off. A great way. This was from November 15th. No, no, whoever did this should be banned. What is this? Basketball recognition.

Just cut the account off. A great way. Trash. A great way. Just cut it off. This ain't even. Pervader of important statistics, both near and far. But I'm going to talk about something that's going to brighten your mood, Gil. All right.

Defending NBA Cup World Champions of the World Lakers were back in action Tuesday against the Jazz and after dropping 27 on the Pelicans the Westside Connect gang continued to bing bing bang. All right so Dalton Connect dropped a new career high 37 points going 12 for 16 from the field 9 for 12 from deep. Connect tied a rookie record with nine threes in the game, including a stretch late in the third and early in the fourth quarter where he hit six threes in a little over four minutes of game action. Scored 22 straight points for the Los Angeles Lakers.

He also scored 21 of his 37 points in the third quarter. Connect has made 14 threes in his last two games, which is an NBA record for a rookie. He wasn't the only one cooking though, obviously. AD had 26 points, 14 boards, and six assists, was 10 for 15 from the field. And LeBron added 26 and 12 dimes, as the Lakers beat a gritty, very gritty Jazz squad,

forced to live in Salt Lake City. Can't get more grittier than that. Improved to 10-4 on the season. Lakers got their sixth straight win, improved to 2-0 in the NBA Cup. As you may recall, they won the NBA Cup World Championship last season, the hardest NBA Cup in league history. After the game, both Bron and AD showed love to their rook. the time. So what am I now? I watched him. I watched Tennessee a lot. I watched Tennessee a lot. I did not think he was going to fall to us. I thought it would be impossible. I have no idea how that happened, but very grateful and very happy that he's here. I knew exactly what was getting when he fell to 17. They't find DK the other 16 teams fucked it up

Anybody watch them They just didn't fuck it up So ad posted this story on his IG as well, saluting Connect. He said, I give you my crown as the best Uter on the team, Rook. Uter, obviously a shortened version of Shooter with Dalton Connect. And this is what Jazz head coach Will Hardy had to say about Connect's third quarter run. It seemed like everybody in the gym knew that Dalton Connect

was going to shoot the next shot with the exception of a few people. The problem was that those few people were on our team. He chose violence. Connect just started four games this season, including the last three games with Rui Hachimor sideline. In those last three games, he's averaged 26.5 rebounds in a steal with 64-62-86 shooting splits.

So I'm going to take it over to our resident Lakers fan, Mr. Gilbert Arenas. Rocking the custom brownie jersey with the Adidas logo. You can't get that in stores. How impressive has Dalton Connect been in the last three games, and has he solidified himself as a starter on this Lakers squad? You know, it's so funny. With the 17th

pick for the Lakers, there was really only two people that they could have went after. That would have been an amazing draft for them. And it was him or Edie. Backup center, veteran guy who can play. And Edie, we know. Same thing with

Kinect, right? What I said then is when you're an older guy, you have to be ready now. Which he is. When you look at the draft and you wonder why he slipped, which he was supposed to be a lottery, right? He was supposed to be a lottery. His talent's a lottery in Tennessee.

And you wonder why Spurs didn't pick him. They just have two picks. Jazz, I mean, Bulls. You're talking about teams that needed small forwards. Pistons, I mean, I don't know how young they were going, but a lot of teams messed up. So we're glad we have him. He should be starting.

He's probably going to be a starter. Even if we put D-Lo back, I don't know if he comes off the bench. So who comes off the bench then? Listen, at this point, it's one of those things where either Austin Reeves or Rui. Reeves, Vimbo. Reeves, Vimbo. You know what I'm saying? If you decide to put D'Lo back in.

I think this D'Lo experiment coming off the bench has worked so far. Lakers 10-4. I'm just telling you. Give me Austin Reeves stats. For the season? Mm-hmm. I don't mind him at the 1 and 2 because, you know, since LeBron is... Austin Reeves averaging 18, five assists, four rebounds. LeBron is the one, two, three, four.

Playing 35 minutes per game. Yeah, so those are the two starters. But that's what I said. Exciting whites. If you bring D'Lo back, you just push Rui to the bench. When it comes to production-wise. It seems to me that the Lakers only get excited when they start to see value in that which they ignore.

You feel like they ignore Dalton Kinnick? Absolutely. How? So the fact that you got to play him and he has to perform, you're waiting for him not to perform, so he can be like one of those draft picks where, you know, we gave him an opportunity, he didn't pan out. But Dalton Kinnick is one of those draft picks where, you know, we gave him an opportunity. He didn't pan out.

But Dalton Connect is one of those guys that showed up like, hey, I'm going to show y'all. Everybody's saying they watched him now and it was this, it was that. But it's the energy coming out because he's playing good. Yeah. Right? The same thing happened with Austin Reeves. When he started to play well, all of a sudden, it's like, we never seen a white boy play like this.

He deserves to be in the starting lineup. And then you start hearing, MVP. Because the Lakers were so desperate for something other than the two guys they got out there. Now they got somebody else out there. Now they got somebody else out there that's actually hooping.

It look good. We need to put them in here. You know we know we drafted them right no y'all didn't want it no no no where you want this motherfucker on the side of the roll we know where you wanted to play 17 you just couldn't it we would we would all go crazy if you picked that boy at 17 but what take a person at 17 where you can grab them at 55? Who was going to pick the most marketable 55th pick in history? Who put that narrative

out there? I don't know. ESPN put a narrative that he was going to be picked at 17, but the NBA did a draft for the second day viewership because of one person. Which means the whole

world knew where he was going to be drafted. It wasn't that. It wasn't that. It was that somebody leaked the fact that if you draft Bronny, we're going to send him to Australia. That was the thing. That was the thing. It was like, if you draft this boy, we not showing up. We going to

Australia. That was the thing. Yeah. Don't connect was just the, got somebody. We're not showing up. We're going to Australia. That was the thing. The story looks much the other way. Yeah, Don Connect was just the, got somebody. That was Phoenix Suns. We got somebody. If you draft, if you draft, it was Phoenix Suns and Indiana. In the second round. That was that.

In the second round. Let's talk about the Lakers' first round pick, though. Obviously, LeBron gets accused of being a liar all the time. There is a clip of him back in April talking about Connect and how much respect he had for his game two months prior to the draft. Almost two and a half months. Man, we knew what we got. We got a lottery pick at 17.

We did. And I'm pretty sure if E.D. would have been at 17, we would have picked him at 17, too. We need players playing right now. We already got a bunch of young kids So we got wait wait, what'd you say? You got me first. You say we need what veterans? Oh, we need a guys who are ready to play right now That's why we went with an older guy shot. I see your face

Looking around. Oh 23 and think the guy that would say we need to go younger would say we need guys to play right now. No, our team, like, we have a veteran team. We don't need the young kids. Like, we have kids that's young that ain't got opportunities so far. Some have got an opportunity. Christie, like, Christie ain't really got an opportunity. Hood ain't really got an opportunity.

Hood has got an opportunity. Those are all young guys, right? Those are all young. They came in at 19. Yeah, they should've went to college. They had more opportunity. Dalton Connect scored 37 points. They had plenty of opportunity to play.

Now you're gonna get over here sitting over there with me and Snowball. He ain't got no opportunity. He got opportunity. There's no real one. Something I see is that Dalton Connect has. I'm trying to fuck him up. Don't know where that came from

Yeah, it works it work. Yeah, I got look we got a lot of buttons Right now It still works, you know what I was waiting for you know what I was waiting for. You know what I was waiting for. Oh, don't worry. Yeah, that's what I said. That's what I said. We got a lottery pick. I mean, that's what I said. We got a guy who's supposed to be a lottery pick. So, but to Shaq's point, Gil, I know.

What was his point? What are you saying? Traditionally, you say prioritizing, drafting younger players that have room for growth because the guy at 19 versus the guy at 23, by the time he's 23, he could get to those same stats. Cook, Joe, cook. But my question for you, though. Where did we pick?

Joe, why are you letting him interrupt you? You're cooking right now. Keep cooking. I said, wait, no, no, no. I said. You see this shit? He's bullying this man. He's sitting there. No, because he said said Bullying this man

Give me the pot You ain't dead I said I said the lottery pick is where you pick youth The stars the mid you pick vet you pick older guys. That's how it's always been. Where were we? We were 17. What did we pick a 23 year old? Okay, but to my point though So you see the way that the new CBA is kind of stifling teams, and you want to get that young guy to develop, but now I got to pay this dude for three, four years before I can see if he can actually flourish

into something like adult and connectives. Now, even though he's 23, some of those guys are 19 years old. Do you feel like teams are going to shift that approach to get guys who are ready to go right now? No young team is going to pick an older guy. Here, this is a conversation. Y'all remember Dwight Howard and y'all remember Okafor. Okafor was player of the year, right?

Yep. Now, Okafor was the better player than Dwight. This is all they did. All right, Okafor is 22 at the time. Dwight is 18. They say, all right, in the next four right, Okafor is 22 at the time. Dwight is 18. They say, all right, in the next four years, Dwight will be 22. Where would he be compared to where Okafor is today?

Does Okafor have a chance to be a superstar? He's 22 right now. Does he have a chance to be a superstar? The answer was no. He's going to be a very good player. Dwight at 18, does he have a chance to be a superstar dance was like probably yes Okay, cuz you have four years if you got four years before you're this age So so you're gonna go with this guy if you say in four years Will he be better than this rookie coming in if the answer is yeah, you go with him now the rookie year what happened ogre for one

rookie of the year right do you think anybody in orlando was like fuck no because dwight averaged a double double as a rookie now um ogre for one rookie of the year averaging 15 and 11, by the time Dwight Howard was 22, he was an all NBA player. But my point is you're an extreme example. Dwight Howard

is an extreme example and you're talking about him compared to Oveka Okafor. But I understand that example. That's all every talking about him every local for My point is like what the Howard versus a Mecca is not even no that's every example They not cuz not every it's not ten Dwight Howard's know what I'm saying is when you're when you're in the lottery And you're looking for something you have an older guy who's proven right now or a younger guy.

You're asking yourself like, let's say, EDN, Shashir. Who's number one? You're asking, will ED be a superstar? Do you think he would be a superstar? I think he'll be a good NBA player.

Okay. Now you say Shashir. What's his chance to be a superstar? Right? He likes baguettes. Right? So you're like, man, I got four years before he's 22. I'd rather take my chance here. Wow.

And that's what they do. And that's dumb. That's why they're dumb. That's exactly why they're dumb. How? It's dumb. It's dumb. Atlanta could take Zack Eady and have some effect right now instead of waiting four years for a guy from France to pan out.

That business-wise, it makes no sense. I'm not rocking with them businessmen over there. They're gonna lose. They're gonna stay in the red and they ain't never gonna make no money. Ever. They hold thought processes backwards. I got somebody ready to perform right here, right now, with experience, three years, in college. In college. Man, with a resume.

Three years. With a resume of experience. Of college. The Quincy kid in the D League should be playing right now. He did. Experience. He was on the bench for the Lakers last night. What?

You got a player behind 19-year-olds who don't even know how to take a fucking play from the sidelines? Side out of bounds OB? You don't know nothing? It's experience of what? It's experience of college. It's experience of winning and playing. It's just college. Winning and playing and terminology

and how to get back on defense and watching film. All that shit matter. That's why Dalton Kinnick can come in and hit six threes because he's been there before. The thing is it's called an investment. I have $100 a day today. This is $25.

If I put it in the bank, will it be more than, and I got three years to make more than $100, and this was a smarter move. I have three years before he averages whatever this 22-year-old is going to average this year. So if Zach Eady averages 10 and 8, Sasheer, he has four years to just beat that. So you don't care about

winning right now? If you're in a lottery, obviously. So that's the point there. If you're a lottery pick, it's not about winning. It's about trying to grab a bunch of assets for three, four years so we can be good when all these... But every team in the lottery isn't necessarily

trash right now. Some have a win now mindset approach to take a team like the Grizzlies. You know, they got Jock coming back. But that's the thing. We're talking about the 1-2-3 pick where he would have been, right? It's very different. There's no... If you're...

Who was in there? We're not talking 1-2-3 pick. We're talking every GM that makes stupid decisions, like trying to draft young instead of draft for experienced and college players who know how to play. If you're like the Wizards, like, what are you going after 80 for? Your team is young. You're trying to build. You're trying to build.

By the time the rest of your team, think about 22, by the time the rest of your team matures 23, 24, 25, that number one pick would be 28. And do you feel like team GMs have that approach though? If you're a trash team right now, we're not even tripping for these next couple years. We're looking at three, four years on the road. Exactly how

Houston's been going since James Harden left. You're getting a whole bunch of assets and you're trying to see which one is maturing faster than the other. You're pulling in, pulling out. Like right now, those 19-year-old kids that came in, the 19-year-olds, they're 22 now. Right? Jalen Green is 22.

Sangoon is 22. Like we found our young stars. And to your point, they don't give a fuck about winning because they're just going to offload all those stars as assets, as investments, because that's what investors do. If you're going to acquire an asset, you build it up, create value, and you offload it. That's what they're doing. They don't care about winning. The Rockets

currently fourth in the West right now, 10-5. The rest with a bunch of 20s. I think made a run last season, came close to getting into the playoffs. Now you want to hear something, and this is why. We all know it, but we're not translated to the NBA. We're not, we're not, when we're looking at age, we're not looking at it

the way. Now, how does, if we was in high school, a senior's 18, how would we look? How would it look if a freshman was 18 years old? Senior before does not look particularly well. Doesn't look very well, right? An older guy dominating

at an age where you're like, eh, same thing in the NBA. Edie's high school class, his high school class, his senior class is Jalen Green. How long has Jalen Green been in the NBA? That's at Sangoon.

How is that the same at all? That's not the same at all. This is his high school class. That's not the same at all. Yes, that's who he's compared to. It's more people in the class that are older, that have been there. It's not just a classroom of people no more that may have been in high school where, yeah, senior, freshman, man, you shouldn't be playing here.

Yeah, you're old. But now we got other motherfuckers here too That's older than him. So we ain't really worried about him Whoever you talk about Edie and Jalen green and all that it don't matter when you're in the NBA do everybody's old Everybody's here for a reason. We're all pros now. No, no matter that is the false That is false for people not a baby and we're over if you want a baby the kids is false for sure for sure if you want a baby um is false I don't do y'all Do you know if you if you put a 13 year old in the 70s rolled in the same

Same field and you have them doing the same thing who's supposed to be better at it Oh the 17 the 70s you roll right question Without question. Why? Because he's 17. Why? He's more experienced. You got to give me a why. He's more experienced. Why do I give you? You know it.

What if he's never done it before? But he's been on this earth long. Pro, pro. He's a pro. Y'all both have experience. Y'all both are new at this. No, pro. 13, 17.

A 17-year-old and a 13-year-old? Yes, we're both rock climbing for the first time. We both never done it. No, no, no, no. We're both pros. Okay, now. So the 13, the 17 been the pro,

the 13-year-old just got the key. I was the 13-year-old that was better than the 17-year-old. Then who was better? I was, I used to be the 13 that was better. And the 17-year-old just started playing?

We're on the same level. No, no, no, no, no, no. The 17-year-old, right? High school, right? High school, right? High school is that 17 year old to be a junior. So this is a 13 year old freshman coming in, right? So we'll say LaMelo Ball, right? Whoever was 17th and whoever that was,

he's supposed to be better than the 13 year old coming in because this is the 13 year old's first experience. But if you have them training every day for the next four years, by the time this 13 year old becomes 17 he's actually better than the 17 age and I took 21 year old the 17 year old will be better than the 20 year old that's just the fact it would not stay the same he would not still be dominated prime example there's a kid named I think his name is Luca, right?

Luca was, when did Luca play against the NBA team? When he was what, 17, 18, 16, 17? No, 15, 14. He was not the best player on that team. It was 21, 22-year-olds. By the time he turned 17, he was the best player in the league. He's running at a higher rate. He's learning moves you're learning at

20, 21. He's learning them at 17 years old. He's running faster. You just have a head start than him. That's all. So when I'm in a draft and I got a 22-year-old and an 18-year-old, I got to see who's moving faster. There's only a few.

The metrics are against you because you can't prove results showing that drafting younger is better okay naming the last naming five since 2000 name me five lottery 22 year olds that were stars i can't i know you can't because the stars doesn't mean you're better does it mean just because you're drafting a star doesn't mean you're better. Doesn't mean just because you're drafting a star doesn't mean... No, I said star. No, that means the guy who got drafted, the end of their career, there was a star.

Like a Tim Duncan, right? An Allen Iverson, like that. No, I'm speaking role players that come in and impact the game. Talking about stars. Role players? Why would I want a role player... Colin Kinnick is a college role player.

Don't ask why you would want anything because that's what we talk about. Are you saying Connect was a role player in college? No, I'm saying he's a role player on the team now. Okay. But why would I draft him number one? You didn't draft him to be a star, did you? That's why I'm not drafting him number one, two, or three. You didn't have one, two, or three pick.

You had 17. So at 17, you're not picking Dalton Connect to be a star. No, we're picking him to be a star no we're picking exactly that's what college players are that's why they should be available to be picked to be what he is they are that's where they get picked what are you talking about are you missing the word what did i say you the younger kids who got a future to be stars are drafted in the early age. So the older guys that are proven that can play right now are in the teens. That's where you send them. So all the players that can play right now are teens because the lottery is future.

The lottery is not right now. It's stupid. It's because those kids should go to college. Those kids should go to college. Those kids should go to college. He just said it, though. You get connected right now. That's where you get him at. You don't get him one, two, or three.

You're saying which kids should go to college. I'm saying the young 19-year-old kids he's vouching for that you spend and invest time in as asked to go to school. So you're saying they should go to college. Yes, become an asset before we have to invest in you trying to...

They should go to college and play versus... Going to... Just coming and sitting on the bench. Wait, being an incubator. We're being an incubator. This incubation stage... Can I ask you something? I don't disagree with that.

No, no, can I ask you something? Yeah. Okay. Okay. If we take, let's say, what age is WNBA? They come in 22? Well, they got to graduate from college. Yeah, okay, so let's just say average age 22. 22, yeah.

Right, and let's say Juju's an 18-year-old. Yeah. I give Juju's an 18-year-old. Yeah. I give Juju, we got two roads. Juju, four years in college, right? She's going to have her game. Or you take her and you incubate her four years in a WNBA. By the time they're 22, who is more dominant? Which player?

Yeah, but Juju, Juju's different. But I'm just saying, which player is dominant? This is the extreme example. No, I'm just saying... But I'm just saying which player is dominant? He uses the extreme example. No, I'm just saying which player is dominant? You're saying a... Because those are the people that's gonna be picked in the lottery. So which one would be the more dominant player? The one that spent four years going against women? Yeah.

Or the one who's been in college for the four years? And the one that's been in the league going against women is not playing. Are you listening to me, Cheryl? Juju's not playing for four years. But I do think it's different with men and women. Of course it is. I do. Confidence.

The incubator's the incubator. Confidence is everything. Kobe Bryant and all these young kids. Let me tell you why. It's still different, though, because personally, I think Juju could go to the league right now and be better than some women. Cool.

I'm saying... Any name? You'd give her? What I'm saying is you'd give her? No, I'm sorry. I'm just kidding. No, I do. I think she could.

And I understand what you're saying. But... So it's basically saying, would you rather her stay in college and play her four years? Four years. Get experience playing in college. Or go to the W and not play, but practice? We don't know what you're going to do.

It's four years. That makes no sense. By 22, by the age of 22, who would be the better player? I'm trying to answer his question. By what age? By the age of 22. Like, you got to, these two got to meet. In theory.

The one who spent four years in college. Yeah. And the one who spent four years in a W-8. They got to play one-on-one. Who is going to be dominant? But Gil, but you can't. No, no, no. But you can't.

You got to let them off slow. But you can't. You got to let them off slow. Let them off slow. You can't use Juju. It's the lottery. You only. You got to get me another player.

You have, you're only. Because, because I, because I think Juju could still stay in college for four years and then go to the W and be just as good. Or she can just come in right now and be just as good. If she left early and went to play pro. But those are some that I would say, yeah, this particular player, if she went to the WNBA and practiced every day against, I don't know. And this is the reason.

Same thing with Zach Eaddy. The person you're playing four years against in college is not the people you're playing against in the NBA. So those fucking moves you're working on being dominant doesn't work here. You're playing against Anthony Davis. You're playing against Joker. You don't even know what that looks like in your...

You don't even play those guys. Remember, how many people are in college? 7,000, 10,000 people? Players? Yes. Probably like 3,000 to 4,000. 3,000 people. 4 to 5.

There's only 14 lottery picks. And then the people that was picked lottery, he didn't play against none of them. So the people that he's been playing against and dominating don't even make the NBA. So I don't care what you learn. If he goes in the next 40 years and say, name me every Hall of Fame superstar, there's going to be a trend. And it's going to be against me. That's why he can't name you 22 year olds that came into the age of 22 that are considered Hall of Fame stars.

He can't name five. He can't. Hey, sure. So the older proven guy, the older proven guy that he would like drafted in the first five that they were, they were great in college. They came into the NBA and they dominated the NBA. Well, there's not many of them. Hey, can I say something?

The floor is yours. Okay. So what does college basketball do for your confidence when you're thriving? I don't know. Like, what is it doing for Juju's confidence right now to see that she's the number one player in the country? Playing against a whole bunch of kids. Right? I don't know. Like, what is it doing for Juju's confidence right now? To see that she's the number one player in the country.

Playing against a whole bunch of kids. Right? Number one, right? I think Juju right now is like the shit. She's getting accolades. She's getting confidence, right? Oh, for sure. Now, once she starts to dominate those accolades

and starts to see that, yeah, y'all really not fucking with me. Mm-hmm. Y'all ain't on my level. Now, granted, that is the feeling she'll get in college regardless, because she's level. Now, granted, that is the feeling she'll get in college regardless because she's dominant.

Well, didn't she have that last year? Now, listen. If she goes to the league as a fresh out of high school and they don't play her for four years, I want you to tell me how much confidence she garners

going in, dominating in practice. You've got to use somebody besides Juju. That's why I said that too. It's an extreme example. Juju averaged 27 last year as a fresh out of high school. So Juju to use somebody besides Juju. That's why I said that too. It's an extreme example. Juju averaged 27 last year. Juju's going to play.

Exactly. Haley's been lifting. So even Haley. Will she be a lottery? We're talking. But we're talking. He's. I like the Haley.

Y'all killing my point. Y'all killing my point. He's using role players. He wants role players to be picked. He's killing my point. Go. No, go ahead. My point is

juju If she's in college for four years is gonna build up so much dominant confidence By the time she get there her abilities gonna change It's gonna get better and she's gonna be ready confidently To dominate if she goes early and she has to fight the hard way to get all by the time she's 22 the confidence is going to be very very difficult to muster that's and that affects your ability and especially if she's not playing it's gonna hurt then automatically in the fifth year, I start playing automatically.

Yeah, I got to step up. It's pressure on me. I got to prove. And she will because she's good, right? But imagine a first-year rookie player after four years of college coming in, dominating, MVP, rookie of the year, all of those things in one year. Rookie year. Compared to being there four years, not doing nothing,

and waiting until your fifth year to do something that's crazy to me i'd rather be rookie of the year and come in and try to get most improved in my fourth year because i'm four years behind but you're the same age i'm still four years behind but you're not four years behind how are are you four years? You're four years in front. What do you mean four years? So, I get this. I told you to stop laughing. I'm sorry, bro.

All right. You don't be listening. You just steady chuckling. It's not funny, man. They ain't booking me for no comedy shows. So, we're going to use your example of, what did he say? Got your confidence all up playing against these guys. Yeah.

So can you tell me where their confidence was when they came into the NBA? Player of the year. Shane Battier. How good was he as a pro? Player of the year. He was very good. Player of the year. He was very good.

Very good. Yes. Who are you comparing his goodness to? You said Shane Battier was very good was he as a pro? Player of the year. He was very good. Player of the year. He was very good. Very good. Yes, who are you comparing his goodness to? You said Shane Battier was very good? Yes, he was very good. We're comparing? What is his expectation? Oh, he was the fifth pick. What's his expectation?

The way he got picked superstar. Yeah, why? Because that's the pick. That seems like your expectation for him. No, that's the superstar. I don't think anybody else was disappointed about Shane Battier's career. Is that crickets? Yeah.

Yeah, nobody's disappointed. Well, I just... Nobody's disappointed? Yeah. Uh-huh. Shane Battier, next. Was he a superstar? No.

No. Okay. No, I'm saying... No, he was a college... He was a college All-American. A college All-American. He was a college Mega Man. And then he comes in there, he got to guard LeBron, motherfucking James,

and Kobe Bryant, and Vince Carter. Like, oh, shit, black people. The blacks. This is where you've been hiding them? God damn. Shit. The real blacks. There were black people in college.

The real ones. Yeah, the real ones. No. There were real black people in college. No, no. He played four years. Those black people, they left. They came into the NBA.

The guys he was trying to dart for one game. Like, I'm just... J.J. Reddick. Talon Hasbro. Right? Come on, man. Jimmer Fredette. We're talking about the 22-year-old seniors who got all this confidence coming in.

Look at these seniors. J.J. Reddick. I'm pretty sure he had a lot of confidence, right? Then translate okay, Jimmy Fredette. What is translate for dead hold on player here Translation Translation all NBA Gilbert arenas numbers what translation are we talking about? You have to make it make sense who you're comparing people to. We're not comparing them to you.

Don't compare them to you. He's the best player in the draft. So what? He's the best player in the draft. His numbers reflect his numbers. It doesn't reflect his ability. He's the best player in the draft. You said best player in the draft.

So tell me how it translated with all this fucking confidence. He was a role player like I said they all were. Andre so the best player in the draft because he won was it? Because he was a college player and I said college developed and I said what? Role players. Role players. And why am I drafting a role player in a lottery? It's the same thing I said. He's safe. Because you need

players to play. He's safe. You need players to play right away. That's why you're drafting college players in the early draft because you want them to play. So question. Question for you. I don't need, but that's what I'm saying. Yeah, he was pretty good.

Jimmer Fredette, he went to college for four years? Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay, so I didn't think he was a very good pro. How about Tyler Hosbrook? I wasn't a very good pro either, Cheryl. But I have a question for you. I was terrible. How about Doug McDormand? I wasn't a very good pro either, Cheryl. But I have a question for you. I was terrible.

How about Doug McDormand? I was terrible. Listen, Doug McDormand. Nothing translated. How about Doug McDormand? Nothing translated about Doug McDormand. Nothing translated. Hey, Frank Kaminsky.

Nothing translated. Girl, boy, y'all better watch out. Let's take a look at the top five picks. Oh, my God. Let me get me, huh? I got a question for you. Uh-huh. Marvin Williams.

Frank Mason III. Marvin Williams. Marvin Williams. Frank Mason. Marvin Williams. Marvin Williams. Why you ain't saying Marvin? You got your straight back. He didn't last that long. Marvin Williams? He was in his first season.

Was Salim Stoddard? Oh, you can't say him. Don't get one. He's a senior. Who else? He was a senior. It's so many guys he's leaving out. No Salim Stoddard.

Marvin Williams played 14 years in the NBA. That's our head girl. Come on, man. Marvin Williams played 14 years. Doug McDormand. Andrew Bogie. Look at how many. He played 14 years, retired at 33.

That's what early does. 14 years on 33 years. Ask him what it translated to. A fucking role player. So we on 13 years. Ask him what it translated to. A fucking role player. So we asked the chat. Oh, God. We got to move on here. We got other things to discuss. We asked the chat, is it obvious? 73% said yes. Is what obvious?

It was a question. It was just a question. We just asked them, is it obvious? 73% said yes. But let's keep this moving. Got to talk about another situation that went down last night. Yes, sir. Oh, my God.

This is obvious, y'all. Get the shirts. I got one. I got that by Kay. She don't know. She don't know. I got a filler. You got Is It Obvious t-shirts.

I got a filler, man. Okay. International move around symbol. Frank Mascansi. You still looking at players. Yeah, I just want... We should just do a whole show with you reading. All right. Frank Mascansi. You still looking at players? Yeah, I just want to, we should just do a whole show with you reading players' names. You got to keep going.

A whole show with just Gil reading players' names. Doug McDormand, as he is now known. So LaMelo Ball has been the best fourth quarter scorer in the league this season, but Tuesday night he found himself in an unusual position in a close game against the Nets. So first we're going to show the cause and then we'll show the effect.

So Lomelo missed this shot, then got a questionable foul right here, with 348 remaining in the game. His coach, Charles Lee, that was Lomelo's fourth foul. Who's that? Huh? The coach. Coach Charles Lee, with the Celtics, won a championship with the Bucs as well, but was with the Celtics last season.

Pulled Lamello ball with 3.48 remaining in the game, and the Hornets down by one, opting to go with Trey Mann instead. Did not play Lamello for the rest of the game. Hornets went on to lose by one point. So prior to this game, Ball was averaging a league-leading 11.2 points per game in the fourth quarter. But Lamello played just 24 minutes in the game, only eight total minutes in the second half.

He had 12 points and five assists. He was three for 13 from the field, three for eight from three. Trey Mann, who came in to replace LaMelo for most of the second half, scored 16 of his 19 points in the second half, obviously playing the 16 minutes that LaMelo spent on the bench in that time frame. So after the game, Hornets head coach Charles Lee offered this explanation for pulling his franchise player. Melo's been phenomenal for us, and he's done so many good things, and he's creating offensively

and guarding. And I just thought that Trey had a little bit of a better hand tonight and was helping us a little bit more on both ends of the court. But that's not to say that we weren't getting anything from Melo early in the game. I thought he did a really good job of kind of setting the table and doing some good things too. I think every night it could be somebody different and they all have to accept the fact that if another guy has it going, we probably need to ride that hand.

So did Charles Lee make the right move benching lamello ball in the fourth quarter? No, no, I mean even though did I don't did he score in the second half Oh Lamello, he might have like three points something like that So he had a horrible go at it Nasty work. That's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. Well, and I just listened to the post-game press conference,

but I'm still trying to understand why you... Oh, he didn't score in the second half. Excuse me, Gil. And the kid that... The man. Trey Manson. Excuse me. What did he do?

He had 16 of his 19 points in the second half. So he played 16 minutes in the second half, had 16 points. He was the point guard? Trey Mann, yes. So I'm calling baby AI. I mean... So? Mm.

It's not going to sit well with a Melo. Or LeVar, I believe. I mean, it's just embarrassing. Probably Jello either. The reason you gave was we had somebody else giving a better hand at it like you just pull your call time out pull your superstar to the side have a conversation yeah you don't embarrass him publicly so i would say if they would have won i would say yeah great move great move great move when I seen that they lost, I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, but you didn't win.

So, not so great move. Not so good. Obviously, it's a tough Eastern Conference. Hornets are going to be likely vying for one of those playing spots. Every game matters. Yeah, but you got to. What was Melo's numbers for that game? It was horrible.

It was bad. It was horrible. 12 digits? 12 and 5. 13 shots, 3 for 13. Didn't score. That's not bad. shots, 3 for 13. Didn't score. That's not bad. No, didn't score. Three minutes left.

We're down one. He didn't score the whole second half. Hey, Gil, you know better than I do. Three minutes left. I can get my mojo going and get us back in the game. And that's, how old is this coach? Charles Lee. Yeah.

I believe this is his rookie season coach. I can get my shit. I'm me. I can make some mistakes early, but I know we need to get this win in the game. The Joe Mazzulla school of... He from Joe? He's with the Celtics. He's 40 years old.

Yeah, it makes sense. He look like one of the militants. I make my bed up in the morning at 5 a.m. So he was with the Celtics last season. He was with the Bucs for five years as well. Won a chip with the Bucs and won a chip with the Celtics as an assistant coach. Mm-hmm. Boonehoser, Missoula.

The problem, here, this is the problem. Missoula, as it's known. The problem is this. He's a superstar for a reason. He's a big, he's a big shot maker, right? Trey played great, but the star is the star for a reason. He has something the other person don't. That means no matter what happened, the first 44 fucking minutes that that erases out of a star's mind and it becomes another game.

Yeah. The last three minutes. The last three minutes is another game. It's like zero and zero. And that's what you took away from your team. Absolutely. You took away the star ability right there. The playmaking, the precision. The rest of the

game don't matter. He had a horrible go at it. Redemption time. The last three minutes is where it happened. When I hit the famous game winner against the Bulls, that game winner, I was 3-4 for fucking 15 at that point. Having a horrible goal at it.

The ball was supposed to go to Larry. Larry was having the hot end. This is what I do, though. What I do, though. Yeah. Give me that bitch. Short-term memory, I probably missed the last Well, this is this is what I do know what I do know. Yeah, oh Short-term memory. I probably missed the last nine shots. Oh for six on the three. None of that shit goes in my brain It's game time. They need me game time. Let's go. Well, you're a star player don't have to be on fire For the last shot. No, I was built for this day. And that's what he think. Think about how he walk into the bench. I don't care about the first half.

I want the block. He walk into the bench looking up at the clock. Yeah. And he like, I know what he's saying. I know he not taking me out. Yep. Yep. I know that's what he's saying. I know he not taking me out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up? Yeah, yeah. Okay. 326. All right.

He must be giving me a little break. He picked up his fourth foul, but even with 340 to go, yeah, yeah. What's up? Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. 3.26. All right, he must be giving me a little break. 30 seconds. Yeah, he must be giving me a little 30 seconds. He picked up his fourth foul, but even with 3.40 to go, that's irrelevant. He completely irrelevant.

Completely, yeah. None of that. Man, listen. If he was that upset at LaMelo for making a turnover or whatever it was, and you ain't call no timeout

to make it right, you just take him out. Yo, timeout. Hey, fucking focus, man. Yeah, that's it. Sit there and focus, huh? Get your shit right. So this is what we out. Hey, fucking focus, man. Yeah, that's it. Sit there and focus. Get your shit right. So this is what we're going to do, blah, blah, blah.

That's it. All right, go in. Soon as the game starts, you ready? Go to the goddamn day. Yep. That's how that works, man. Thanks. This is not a time to prove fucking points.

Why do coaches want to prove points at game time? But against your player. I don't give a fuck what you tell me during the game Fuck you coach this and this you my best player You don't get in there. You're gonna win this game when this motherfucking game overweight. God dammit. You about to get on that line I'm approved a point in practice. Yep. I'm not proving it in a game I'm not sitting you forget a game. I'm not sitting you for a game. The game reflects my fucking contract. It reflects my stat.

I can prove a point where it don't affect neither one of us. This is not a time to see who got the bigger Johnson right here. Right? In the game, God damn it, you. In practice, God damn it, me. Yeah. Right in the game. God damn it you in practice. God damn it me. Yeah, I Don't I don't get it This is it was a bad move hopefully II I mean, you know rookie coach he still lost the game

So you also get cuz you start play right there right the question becomes coach And he still lost the game. He lost the game because the star player ain't there. Right. The question becomes, Coach, why you ain't have him in the game? All the players are sitting there like, they sitting on the bench like. Remember, we still do have to fight for the accountability, though, for LaMelo and playing bad. But it's 100% on the coach to make sure that you're not taking him out the game for the game. For the game. For the game. Not for the the game not for the game not for the game like we always say if you fuck up and we know it's one

of them blatant fuck-ups where it's like sub sub him out get him out and we come out and you're like god damn i know i fucked up come over hey man come on man you get your shit together all right now get in there i just needed to bring you out because you look like you needed a little breather. And you know his teammates were sitting over there too, like. You're lunching over here. What you doing? Why are you in the game?

What we doing? We only down one. Coach. We down one. Coach, what you doing? You know what makes it funny? He subs him out for a turnover and a foul. Soon as Trey get in, offensive foul. For Trey foul for trey somebody gave up something like six to eight points with the same turnover then came in very next plate mr layup um

mr layup three offensive tip got his own rebound and then he tipped it back in. So he had the two points off an offensive rebound. Three turnovers. So you subbed a man out. You subbed a man out for two turnovers and a layup? For missing a shot. And those are three possessions within three minutes of the fourth quarter. No, what I'm saying is, like, I subbed my star player out to get back two turnovers from the guy.

I would have won two for what? Because one for three, four, because he was trying to tip the ball back in. Yeah, one for four. I take my chance on my star player to do that shit. He had four possessions though in three minutes the sub Nacho franchise guy in the fourth quarter three minutes ago So Turner two for seven in the fourth quarter in those eight minutes that he played total two for seven have five points Two for seven. What did he have in the last is the last?

That second so we got because he was probably in at the beginning. Give me one second. Coaches make mistakes, man, but it's one of those you just got to learn from. I do, but how long has that coach been a head coach? His first head coaching job? First head coaching job in the league.

It just seemed like he took that L so easy. He was cool with taking that L and making that point. That's what I like about it. I don't like coaches that are snark and arrogant about trying to prove a point about showing up your best player. There's ways to do it where LaMMelo now, like, he could, if he was this type of player, be on some... Fuck coach, man.

Fuck coach. You ain't about to embarrass me like that unless they had a conversation. Fuck coach, man. He could be like, you know what? Got to come in there and be like... I want to move back to L.A. No, that's what you need.

As a rookie coach, you got to go in there and say, hey, y'all, I fucked up. My bad. My bad. For sure. That's all it takes. All it takes.

For some reason. All it takes. They deprived. Motherfuckers can't do that. All it takes is to walk in there and say, I fucked up. I fucked up. This is what I mean.

Accountability. This is what I mean, y'all. My bad, Mello. Mello, please. For real. It never happened again. It never happened again. Never happened again.

That's it. Your star player will be cool, cool, no problem. Youello, please. For real. It never happened again. That's it. Your star player will be cool, cool. No problem. You know what I mean? He ain't going to make no smart remarks. You ain't got to worry about him again because he knows you already stood up, took some accountability for the move. You didn't mean to make him look

bad in front of his teammates. It's all clear. But nah, they don't want to do that shit. On the phone, like, alright, y'all can get away from this crib now, man. Everything cool. Y'all can get away from this crib? We apologize, man. Jello, wait for him. What's up,

Jerry? Don't piss off LeVar or Jello, but I wanted to ask you guys, have you ever been in a situation like this when you were in the league or in college, and how do you handle it? Situation that, ah. It feels like mind games.

I don't know. Again, the Mellor average 11 points in the fourth quarter. I definitely dealt with it. I'm going to be honest. I was blessed with coaches that did not try to prove points. I had my high school coach obviously didn't try to prove no points. Luke, my behavior off the court did not stop him from putting me in the game. Didn't even muscle me.

Do your thing. Eddie Jordan, same thing. So I never had to, if I'm playing bad, even though I'm playing bad, all they'll say is, I need one shot. Can you make the one shot? Yeah. Take it. That's it.

I never had that. I'm not going to tell, you know, I'm not blaming or nothing. I was going to share my story. Hey, I'm just going to share the story. Share the story, big dog. Freshman year, coach told me, if Dean Smith can stop Michael Jordan from averaging more than 20, I can stop you.

And I averaged 17. After averaging 21 my freshman year. Okay, I get your point, Coach. Good. I got the message. Second year comes along. I come out, sub. I'm on the bench, trying to catch my breath. Somebody dive on a loose ball.

Everybody get up. Yeah! I'm the only one still. I just subbed out. I hadn't got up. Coach seen it. I hadn't got up. Go to the locker room. Kick me off the bench. Because you were tired. First half. I'm tired, boss. Wow. I'm just, you know, you all gonna cheer for your teammates. We're playing against UNC Wilmington. Fast forward to the NBA. Fast forward to the NBA. Went to Vegas.

Dating Khloe. Dinner with her family. Flew back. Have a talk with Kevin McHale. Day before practice. Hey, man. Hearing about you dating this girl, everybody's calling me, da-da-da-da-da.

Maybe you should get some rest. Ooh. I guess that's why I only played eight minutes last night. Okay, whatever, brother. 14 games, DMPs. I did not play for 14 straight games. Because of a dinner. Because of a white girl.

So, when you talk about coaches fucking with you, you ain't got no answers? You can't talk to nobody because there ain't no union? Yeah, I've been there before. I know what mellow feel like. Maybe if it was a sister, it wouldn't happen. Can I ask you a question? I ain't say that.

After your freshman year, why didn't you enter the draft? Because I was being fucked with by the coach, and I knew he was going to try to sabotage if I came out. I was averaging 21 a game as a freshman. I was supposed to be ACC Player of the Year, Freshman of the Year. He benched me for three straight games. He found a way to bench me to decrease my scoring average. I know, but... You still could have entered the draft.

Nah, because 17, at that time, it was Josh Howard. It was a bunch of... Like, that was Jason Williams and all of them. Mello. That was my freshman year. That was Mello, D-Wade, Ron. Yeah, that's right. Yeah!

I had the pedigree for it, but it was the coach. All the shit with the coaching dynamic. He got fired before the summer even evolved, so I had a bad stigma on my name at that point. Like, oh yeah, he's getting Coach Doherty fired and all this shit, so it wasn't going to work. Like, that's what I said,

nobody would have told you you would have been top 10 still? Yeah, I told you my second year I was supposed to come out. No, I mean not necessarily something about your freshman year. Nah, it wasn't no talk because I wasn't thinking about going. I'm going to say you aver No, I mean, not necessarily something about your freshman year. Nah, it wasn't no talk because I wasn't thinking about going. I'm going to say you averaged like 17 for a freshman. Like, that's...

Bro, like I said, I was averaging 21. The last three games of the season, I went, I was already killing. Freshman. Killing. Because Dwyane Wade

was a junior, right? Yeah. Your freshman year? Yeah, Kirk Heinrich. Like, you would have been, what? Kirk, yep, all them. TJ Ford. Like, TJ Ford was young, right? Yep. TJ did a freshman year? Yeah, Kirk Heinrich, like you would've been, what? Kirk, yeah, all them. TJ Ford,

like TJ Ford was young, right? Yep. Yeah. TJ did a freshman year. Yeah, see that's what I said, that was your high school class?

No, he was before me. He was before me. No, he was a freshman. TJ was a freshman. No, we all,

no, TJ was Carlos Hurt in them years, he was DeJuan Wagner in them. Yeah, that was TJ. We was after him. He was your high school class? So he went two years in college? Yeah.

Hey, I'm not going like Luke Rittenhour, Marcus Banks, Beatrice. All them. All them. Wow. But it was just, my pedigree wasn't thinking about the league because there was never a goal. I was just like, I'm at Carolina.

I'm chasing Mike. I need to check off these boxes. So it is what it is, but I know about the coaches. I know what he's feeling. I know what he could feel. But I think he'll take the bigger role. He'll have the upper management deal with it. What upper management? LeVar or Hornets upper man?

Hornets, yeah. Y'all can get me out of here or get him out of here, one or the other. Big baller brand to the rescue. The French Jordan, I remember him. Petrus, yeah. I used to bust it. Oh, my God. I used to look for him.

Wee, wee, wee. I got something for you. What? I got to taste this. I got to test this imitation. Mm-hmm. Put your tongue back in. Yeah. He was all big brawly, strong. Come here. I sold the shit I passed him. Did you ever have a situation like this?

It was a French kid. They called him... Damn. What French motherfuckers has been coming in the league? Yes. Batum's been here for a long time. Batum's been here for a long time. Oh, yeah. Damn. Them French motherfuckers has been coming in the league. Yes. Batum been here for a long time.

Batum has been in it. Like, them French motherfuckers has been in this league a long time. Because they black, so we don't be paying attention. We don't be paying attention. Man, I just did. Speak that shit. All right.

All right. No. Cool. I heard you. At no point, nobody tried to. No. Cool. I heard you. At no point? Nobody tried to... Is this why you can't talk? No, I'm not saying... Why would they do that to me?

But I probably had a couple of games... I probably had a couple of games where I did it. Right? Like, just shit wasn't going right. And I was like, coach, like, give me out. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Not for a long time. Just give me help for a minute. It's just a minute. Five minutes go by. I'm like, coach, I'm ready. Yeah. You set yourself up. You set yourself up.

And I was like, no. Oh, so it was kind of like rec league, right? You set yourself out and in, huh? You're tired. The coach was just there. You have that game where you start and shit just ain't going right. I was like, you know

what? I need a restart. I'm playing for the other team. I'm playing for the other team. I'm playing for the other team. He with us. He with us tonight. You be sitting there like, wide open layup. You already missed four, got the steal.

Kick your shit out of the house. Off your foot, you're like, man, get me out. I'm like, come on, come on. I'll be so upset. But don't leave me over here that long. Just get me out for a couple of plays and I'm good. I used to go, listen, when I happen, when I know, like, this shit is rough tonight. This is rough.

I go take a shower, change everything. Oh, you go to the locker room. Go to, like, say, Coach, or halftime. I go in there and shower. Try to get the bag, you know. I got to get this shit off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. to the locker room. Go to, like, say, Coach, or halftime, I go in there and shower. Try to get the bag, you know. I got to get this shit off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what this is.

Facts. Hey, New Jersey, new shoes, socks, everything. Nah, that's facts. I got to turn it around because this outfit right here, it ain't working. This ain't it.

This is one for 30 right now. Or the shoes you wore, you're like, oh, they burn them. Run for 30, 12 turnovers, it'd be like that regular pass. I would give that shit a minute. Oh, yeah.

I'd be like, time out. I was like, go get my shoes. Pick them up, yeah, give me the other ones. Go get my other shoes. Fast break pass, you throw the motherfucker all the way up there. Oh, with those cold hands and shit. You're like, damn, what's wrong with my hands tonight?

Sticky fingers. Hmm, hmm. Must be nice, guys, must be nice. No, no, stop. Must be nice. No, that wasn't nice. I'm just saying. I didn't have that luxury.

They was doing me like Bronny. Get in for this eight seconds, nigga. And I'll pay the hundred for that one. You paid the hundred? I will. Eight seconds, what am I going to do? You fucking the stats up now. But the game is the game.

Catch the ball. Make a deal with the dude on the other team. Let me shoot, I'll let you shoot. But anyway, Nuggets were without reigning MVP, Nikola Jokic, for the third straight game as they played their second straight game in Memphis after losing to the Grizzlies Sunday. But Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr.

picked up the slack, and Russell Westbrook made some history to get the Nuggets back on the right track. Let's go, Russ. So Jamal Murray led the Nuggets with 27.6 rebounds and four assists, going 10 for 20 from the field, 5 for 10 from deep. MPJ had 24 points and 11 boards. Christian Brown added 19.7 rebounds, three steals.

But this was about Russell Westbrook, ladies and gentlemen. Huss Westside, as he's known in Los Angeles, Westbrook played 32 minutes off the bench, messed around and dropped his 200th career triple-double, finishing with 12 points, 10 rebounds and 14 assists. Westbrook is the first player in league history with 200 triple-doubles, accomplishing the feat in 1,175 games. Joker is the closest current active player. Joker is in fourth place all-time with 136 triple-doubles in 685 games. I'm sorry about that. I'm just reminding, like, when shit is going bad, right,

and then you look at this play, and I keep, like, I see why when Westbrook be going horrible for him, because some of the passes he be making, when that shit is horrible, that shit horrible, dog, like the little bank, right? That's the top of the bat, boy. Hey, the little bank. That's the time of the backboard. Hey, you never seen him, like, trying to shake somebody below the free throw line and then make it, like, if he missed that shot off the ground. That's the one where you be like, damn, he hit the side of the backboard.

That's the day. This shot right here, that's the day when he's off. Yeah. Throw the line, that motherfucker went all the way out of the back. I'm just looking at the players like. Get me, Coach. Yeah, those are them Westbrook moments where he'd be like... Those moments get elevated and amplified.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. More than any other. Because the passes he's making, ah, ah, turn over, turn over, turn over. We like, damn. Charge. Out of bounds. Off the foot.

Off the foot. Get him out. About to get him. Fast break, air ball layup. Off the foot. Off the foot. Get him out. About the game. Fast break, air ball up. Damn. Damn.

Westbrook, 200 triple doubles, 1,175 career games. Obviously, it's weird. You know, obviously, second player in the history of average triple double, first player to do it for multiple seasons. For some reason now, they don't give triple doubles the respect they deserve. but does Westbrook deserve more credit for his triple double record Only player in league history with 200 triple doubles any era Did the guy before him get credit? Yeah, big oh, yeah, he deserves to great he does

Like it's hard triple doubles, but I feel like Wilk probably got like 3, 400 and they just weren't... Oh, back then, uh, Wilk, so back then, he would've had... I forgot, it was like 700 quadruple-doubles. That's crazy. Yeah, because they said... That's crazy. They said, uh, stat-wise, if they kept the stat, he would've averaged 14 blocks. That's crazy.

So... Because if you'reaged 14 blocks. That's crazy. So, because if you're averaging 14 blocks for his career, I mean, thinking about all the triple-doubles where he had 10 assists, those would have been quadruple-doubles, so it would have been crazy. Hey, man, he would have been first, and then Miss Layups would have been second.

Bill Russell. Actually, he's not Miss Layups. That's damn near it. That's Mikey. That's George Mikey. That's George Mikey. Thank you, Gil. Show some respect. That's George Mikey.

He was doing the Mikey drill because he was trash. They made a drill after him because you need to work on your land, dog. But this is why you have to- To go right here and to go right there. This is where you have to give it credit. It wasn't done. It wasn't done since the 70s, 60s. Oscar was in the 60s, I believe. Since the 60s.

You're telling me all the greats that came through, that were trying, you don't think Jordan was thinking about trying it or anybody who had the capability magic when he was doing it like the j kid like he had an engine that allowed him to do it and the problem with it was it reminds me of james white in the dunk contest it looked so easy they didn't know how to grade it. Yeah.

Was you talking about the McDonald's one? All of them. Every time I looked in the dunk contest. They was giving him like a nine in there. A motherfucker jumping from the free throw line like this. 50. He coming out of there. Yeah, yeah.

Two hands. 45. 45. Like, wait, what? Between the legs. D-D. Free throw line. 38. Like, wait, what? Between the legs. Diddy. 38. Like, come on, dog.

And that's what it is. He made the triple-double look so easy that they said, anybody can just do it. All you got to do is just have your stats. You just got to go in there and just rebound. And just go rebounding. And pass the ball. have your stats. You just gotta go in there and just rebound. Just go rebound and pass the ball. If it was that fucking easy, why everybody didn't?

You remember when LeBron was tapping into it? They was making a point that 28-7-7, 28-8-7 and the idea of LeBron can be the first one to do it became a thing. And then when a guy who you guys don't look at as a natural score

Did it? Well, he's patented that he's that metric That would it would make Westbrook the best or the greatest point guard of all time Seeing that the double-double points and assists Chris Paul John Stockton, right, is the one thing that was pretty much valued as much as anything from the point guard position. How many double-doubles can you get? Can you average a double-double?

Yeah. Right? But Westbrook averaged a triple-double at the point guard position. Yeah. So he did that how many times? three What for the average triple double four times? He averaged the triple double times at the point guard position average now

We talk about the double double being the metric of highest from a point guard So how can Westbrook not be all the way up here at 200 triple-double? With a 30-point triple-double. None of y'all can reach him. None of y'all. Magic, all y'all. You can't come back to get more triple-doubles than him. You can't come back and make it look better than him. He made it look so easy that we just stopped looking at it.

Yeah. You know what it is, man? When you talk about the point guard position, it's very different than what it was before. And people don't realize magic is the one who ruined the image of a point guard. That's where the image of a point guard was ruined forever. Back before, it was just a guy who didn't really... Control it, move it. He controlled it.

And then you got a 6'9 dude that was a small four that had the vision better than the point, right? That can do all of it. And because he was so unselfish, everybody wanted that. That is a unicorn. You can't get that. Right?

You can't get Michael Jordan. You can't get Shaquille O'Neal. You can't get LeBron. You can't get Kobe. You can't get Wimby. There's just fucking people you just can't recreate. But that was the problem. They wanted this purity of a point guard who passed the ball.

But they didn't realize it was a small forward who just had fucking vision. Just like Jokic. You can't find another center that's going to be able to do what he do. So don't go there looking for it. Because you wasn't looking for it when it came. Right. That was his ability. So then when you talk about the original point guard assessment, you're looking at John Stockton.

So John Stockton. Isaiah Thomas. It was the. The smaller ones. If you're saying he a unicorn, let's take him out. You take him out. Now, look at all the point guards other than Magic Johnson. They all have something in common.

Say it'd be the Jason Kidds, the Chris Pauls, the Steve Nash, Mark Jacksons, right? Even, like, so somebody like Oscar Robertson and Westbrook, they don't belong in this category. Or they belong at the top of it, and we try to save everybody else. No, but what I'm saying is these are the two guys, like this new guard, my era guard that was coming in, it's unfair for us, right? But it's unfair for the pure point, right? You can't compare the two,

because what Westbrook is going to have over the Magic Johnsons is he's going to have more rebounds and more assists. Because how he plays the game. I mean more rebounds and more points. Because how he plays the game. They're going to have more assists. Because how they play the game. Because the structure of the game. Because the structure of the game.

So it's hard to say who's the best point guard ever. It should just be a whole nother category what you just said is the system that allows westbrook to create i'm not westbrook but um who'd you say before that oscar oscar so when you're looking at how westbrook creates not with his structure but with his athleticism and his speed and he gets down court he can get the easy man open that attributes to his his IQ level He doesn't need the structure to get the assist. He should still get tennis. It's a game He can still get Tim ten rebounds again. So my thing knock was on what on Westbrook wasn't on him

It was on Steven Adams because if you got a rebound and big and you're still getting ten boards That says something different than your big average in six or seven or eight and you're still getting 10 boards that says something different than your big average in six or seven or eight and you're averaging 11 or 12 that means that he's doing what jason kidd was telling people to do box out go i got the rebound we'll push we'll push ahead the brooke lopez yeah i'll box my guy out you get the rebound right it's it's i got a new i got a new outlook on the point guard position now that that it's just a weird like I like if somebody asked me and they think it's weird, but it's the only way I can make it make sense. The best point guard is magic. Right now, if you say the best guards, that means now my combo type of guards can go into the category.

I will have Steph in front of Magic. Right? So I'll say Steph is part of my top five, but Magic is my number one point guard. But how's that? Because the purity of the point guard position is this. Right? He added something

that this guy didn't have. This guy has something he don't. So they can't compare to each other. Right? I can't compare Sha jack to yoke ish two different skill set. Yeah Yeah, you know to mean like so there's things you're gonna be Yoke is having is gonna have more sister's shack. You can't do that Well because that's it that's his that's what he's adding to a game that wasn't here before statistically Stat man stat man.

Mm-hmm. That is me. Russell Westbrook is the greatest point guard of all time. Statistically. Statistically? Statistically. Yeah, if he's averaged

a triple-double. Statistically, there's no debate about it. No, you're right. So let's say the ability shit that we do have an argument about where Steph's in there

and all the other ones and, you know, we got to actually have a conversation about magic really being in there as a point other ones and you know we got to actually have a conversation about magic really being in there as a point I'm like okay now we have a conversation but statistically if we go like LeBron being the greatest statistic from a statistical

we can't debate it like number one 22 8 and 7 in his career excuse me Westbrook 22 8 and 7 in his career best 1175 games obviously those numbers then he wouldn't be... Okay, so I guess we have to do it just how Underdog does it.

Where you do it by totals. What is the totals you bring into the game? Meaning anybody, like let's say Steve Nash averages 17 and 12. So you're sitting around about 29, 30-something points plus a little rebound.

So his totals would be like, what, 41 maybe? Yeah, like 36, 37. Yeah, but with a little bit of rebound. And then add some three. Oh, you're saying points, rebounds, assists. Points, assists, and rebounds. Now they have to do it like that to see who generated the most production Now you're talking about you're sitting here with the Luca

But then remember look at that point points rebounds and assists. Are you adding defensive? We don't know efficiency and problem is the defense is efficient Oh, you got magic because we don't 11 and 7 in his career. So 20 so there's point You want this guy sitting round ball 40-something points see the problem is that this new school the way the game is being played they have more points and like two or three on the soda averaging like 10 11 more points but they're only three or four says behind all of the and they're going to rebound so like Lucas in that I like 50-something points.

Westbrook is sitting at something about 50-something points. So... That's the capabilities of getting you a triple-double and getting this amount of points every night. Luka, Westbrook... Yeah, so it's... So that's how you have to do it to see who is the most...

Who put the most production. That's why the comparisons are difficult. Or when people say, well, who's the best point guard of all time? I think it's unfair. Yeah. It really is. Because it really

has nothing to do with championships. It just should be production. What is the production? What are you getting out of the individual itself? But it also should have a framework of what that player's style is because player's style matters. Darren Williams in comparison to Chris Paul,

similar styles. And then you got Dame Lillard compared to Russell Westbrook. Or Dame Lillard, like actually Dame... Different styles. Yeah, different styles. Different styles. So it's like Westbrook's style is one of a kind.

Yep. So when you put his style up against CP, Jose Calderon, John Stockton... You don't know how to judge it. But you have to judge it with style because now you're like, well, they both give you production the same, but look how he does it in comparison to he does it.

He does it with structure the system. He does it with athleticism brute strength and intimidation Which one would you prefer? Always love having these great conversations with y'all. Yeah, I got I got a y'all want to hear something So I Can a great'all want to hear something so I Can a great this is a great Now right we were talking about top tier like one or two like in the world of their sport Guess what?

their kid Their kid want to ask me about the sport that their parent is a great in over their parent. That's crazy, right? Like imagine like, Bronny James want to ask me about basketball, but his father's Bronny James, right? This is LeBron James. That's crazy, right?

Where are you going with this? The truth? Huh? No, I'm just saying, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Somebody want to talk to me after, man, talk about some basketball, you know? Come on. What's happening? I wonder why your back is turned to the left. Oh, my God.

It's you, sir? It's okay. Sure? Oh, sure, son. Want to talk to me about basketball. That's all I said. My son was like, Mom, you're doing Gil's today?

I was like, yeah. He was like, oh, oh. I need to talk to him. First, I was like, you don't even know him. Yes, I do. You know him. No, but he was like,

oh, listen. You know I got in my feelings. I was like, hold on a minute. I was like, what do you need to talk to Gil about? he was like, listen, you know I got in my feelings. I was like, hold on a minute. I was like, what do you need to talk to Gil about? He was like, Mom, some basketball stuff. For real, I was like, son, what do you need? Right? I got you.

I was like, talk to me. I got you. And then he was like, Mom. So I was like, what do you need? What is your question? I'll ask him. So he's like, Mom, no. Can you just ask him if I can talk to him? And if he says yeah, then call question? I'll ask him. So he's like, Mom, no, can you just say, ask him

if I can talk to him? And if he says yeah, then call me and I'll ask him. Like, I was really in my feelings. Shout out to Jordan Jackson. G League Dunk Contest winner 2024. I said, there's just shit you just can't. I can't talk to your mama.

I can't, no, not that. But he was like, I just got a couple questions. So the first question, he was like, I just got a couple questions. A couple questions. So the first question, he was like, I just need to talk to him. OK, so he now is with the Chicago Windy City Bulls G League team. So he was like, I just need to talk to him and find out

what his mentality was with certain things. I was like, well, ask me. He was like, Mom, can you just ask him if I can talk to him? Mom. I said, Gil, can you talk to my son, please? I don't want to know nothing else. Mike, he can't ask you. Yeah, so, you know, going in the G League and coming off the bench,

he was like, well, I never did nothing else, so I don't know. I don't know nothing about how to deal with that. I don't know what the bench looked like. What is that? Is that like the little cheering section where they do when I score buckets. And they did the palm, they got the palm, yeah. I was thinking I'd call him before we start

and then he don't answer the phone. So I was like, well, it can't be that important. But he texts me, he was like, mom, call me back. Is this a certain role you just didn't go through? I'm done, I'm gonna do my part and I'm gonna let, yeah. But you know what, you ain't have to bring it up. You didn't have to bring it up like that. I should have known when he did the back turn.

You saw the back... I got all of it. No, because I'm like, it's about to end. I got an important call. I got to help out the youth. For a minute, I was like, where is he going with this? Huh? This is interesting. So we asked you about Brandon, though.

I was thinking Nick. I was thinking Nick. I was thinking Nick Jr. Was it Nick? I thought it was Brandon. I thought Brandon was getting the truth. I can't help Nick, son. It's trash.

We asked the chat, does Westbrook belong in the PG GOAT conversation? 65% say yes. Good job, chat. Yeah. You know, Catherine, very good today.

Now let's move on to Mostly Fans. Question. Bam. Almost had it. Bam. Almost had it. Bam. Almost had it. Okay. Now here's another guy who's sitting here in different land.

Where do you put Harden? One or two? Shooting guards? Or point guards? Or do you put them? See, those. Is that me combo? We need a combole me combo. We need a combo guard Yeah, we need a combo guard lane. Yeah

No either one of those list though No, what they got it was the one they got him third at shooting guards as which is Which is yeah, which is right. It's right. Oh They still got yeah, they still got Which is right. It's right. D-Wade in front of him or no? Oh, they still got D-Wade. Yeah, shooting guard. You've got to have a combo guard. Where do you put him? If it was combo, he'd be number one.

Because of numbers. Wouldn't Westbrook be a combo? I wouldn't put Westbrook as combo. What classifies as... I wouldn't put him as combo. You only want to put Westbrook as combo because of his athleticism. He's still a traditional point guard. He's just stronger and faster than all the rest of them.

I agree with that. He makes all the traditional plays. He don't do anything else. I think because his engine is so powerful, that he's going and he's already there, even though he wants the pass. He's there. He's like, I got a school. Yes, man That's what the brilliance about him is he knows the difference

But I think he gets caught up in all the bullshit around it and sometimes it takes his eye off of the ball But yeah, statistically Westbrook is definitely up there Well now let's move on to mostly fans for real anybody underdog download that views promo code Gil, use promo code GIL, get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pick-em. So our question today is from Underdog user PabloJuan96. PabloJuan. PabloJuan96. I hear you guys often refer to guys as just working out to work out or simply saying they haven't gotten any better in the offseason.

What did your offseason training consist of? Love this question. Love this question. For me, personally, I looked at what my weaknesses were. Like, what was my actual weaknesses that I need to improve on? And then at the beginning of the summer i attacked that like i had like i really was aggressive with you know working on my left hand working on like midis like going left moving left stepping left um like just for me

personally like trying to act like when they say add something every year that is the concept something you don't have in your bag right if you if this is what i look like i have the right side i can move right and then i start opening up the left think about my game itself right it becomes a full circle thing where i'm a complete player. So that should be the idea. So that's how I trained. I trained in trying to be a complete player offensively. A complete offensive player. Right? Like, you know, if I'd be like,

okay, man, I wasn't moving without the ball, then going into that summer, I'm going to play off the ball the whole summer. Just working on back cutting, back door, and moving, conditioning is going to be part of my regimen. let's try let's move over to this side um the most enjoyable part about training was the shot making, the preparation, the analyzing.

I made sure that it wasn't so much about getting shots up and doing individual drills and moves. It was more about understanding where my place was in the offense and how I could take most advantage of my opportunities within the offense. A lot of times guys get caught up in training for things they're never going to do in the game. And they waste time. And if you're not assessing your game inside of the game and knowing where your shots can come from, you're not going to be efficient.

So I prided myself on being efficient within the concept of the game, the plays, and the whole nine. So I didn't focus on so much dribbling the ball. I didn't do a lot of ball handling because I wasn't the point guard. Point guard has the ball in his hand most of the time. When I catch it, I shoot it. So my focus was shot making. It wasn't being in the gym shooting a bunch of shots.

It was being in the gym making a bunch of shots. So I would be in the gym 45 minutes if I needed to, and I made 92% of my shots. I know I'm sharp. I know I could correct on real time and I ain't wasting time in the gym. If I want to be in the gym three hours, I'm definitely not being in there shooting 300,000 shots and only making 25% of them just to say I'm in the gym. So I did a lot of my work early in college. So when I got to the league, my bag, I had to put stuff back in the bag because I didn't need a lot of the shit because I wasn't going to use it inside the offense. So I think that's the best part of training to me, attention

to detail, going through all of those progressions, just making shots. Being a shot maker is probably the best feeling. Cheryl, over to you. Yeah, I probably did a lot of what Gil did. The stuff that I was really good at, I worked on it just to keep it sharp, but not focusing so much on that. For me, it was about what my weaknesses were, what I wasn't that good at, but also knowing how

my defenders were gonna guard me. I always worked on, like, counter moves and counter to a counter. And like Rashard, I didn't... I didn't spend a whole lot of extra time in the gym working on shit that I knew I really wasn't gonna do I Didn't um, but I know a lot of people now they'll go to the gym and they're in there for five hours

You come out and you haven't gotten any better any better at all. Yeah Playing against come believe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I said three four They're even use chairs anymore. They use like these fake defenders. I call it, you know, you're just working out. You got to work out. You didn't get better. Like you spent two hours. You did these drills here and there, ran up and down, got a little dunk, got a little what?

And then the season started and you're still doing the same thing. You've been doing two days, two days, all summer doing that and then get into the season and you didn't get better. You didn't, you wonder why shit ain't, because you're not, you're not going, you're not trying to get great at something. And that

was what I loved about my third year is my third year was a reflection of me focusing on where I was going to get my shots. I felt so comfortable that third year because I knew if I mastered these positions and these possessions, I was going to get 15, 20 a game. And it was like I'm coming off the bench with no pressure. But it also goes to what type of training partners you choose. And I want to give a shout out to Jamal Lovell, which is AKA Dashletics. He was one of the guys who understood how to be a sponge and learn what players want from training.

Right? When we want to be sharp, you don't come in with a plan for us. You come in and listen to our plan, what we want to do. He was perfect for that. And right now, he's the biggest trainer in the world. He's working with all the top guys. So I want to give a shout out for him for being a sponge

and learning what the players need. We want to train a certain way to be sharp. And if you got a trainer that can do that, that's what's going to happen. You see results. Dash?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dash was the guy. When I retired and we was in the gym, and I remember he was doing something, working out with someone, and I got up, and I said, hey, can I chime in? And I said, no offense, but when you're coming off, you can shoot the ball.

So what he's kind of teaching you is kind of opposite of you. Yeah. Right? I'm pretty sure you was a guard that didn't really shoot the ball, so that's how they're going to play you. He was. A guy playing like this, they're going to hard show. They're going to do this.

So you have to pull and then go like that. And then Dash, at the end, he was like, man, I appreciate that, man. And what else did you see? And that's crazy because I really interrupted. He could have really been offended. Like, yo, don't be coming in here teaching my shit. No, Dash was like, hey, man, what else? Tell me more.

I'm practicing. I'm training against this, this, this. And then I'll come there every day, and I'm working with him. We'll sit down for an hour after. Real spunk. And then he was like, okay, what drills do you have to work on that? So I'm giving him my drills and all that stuff

and look at him now and I'm like... Progression. I was there since he got here. Okay. So I seen him when he got off the boat.

He was doing his... He was trying to get in. Yep. And all it took was somebody to just pull him to the side and be like, bro, nah, man.

I got you. Let me show you this shit. And then he started learning from you. He started learning from Coutinho. He started learning from Trickle Down.

And now he was coaching assistant coaches for the Sparks with Derrick Fisher. So he worked with Lexi. He worked with a lot of people. But at this point, I want to just give him

the shout out because I understand the basis of what we're talking about. He works with Jalen. Hmm? He works with Jalen. Oh, right.

He works with KD, too. Yeah. So, I mean, he get it done, but the training is essential, man. It's essential to what you do in the offseason. Can't cheat the game, can't cheat the grind. That's a good place for us to stop today, Shot. Appreciate you being here.

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