Gil's Arena - Dwight Howard Enters Gil's Arena To Discuss His NBA Career

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

Dwight Howard Enters Gil's Arena To Discuss His NBA Career as Gilbert Arenas and The Gil's Arena Crew kick off NBA Tipoff Week with a Special Guest. They break down Dwight's Illustrious NBA Career, the value of a true center in the league and how it felt to win the NBA's hardest championship alongside Lebron James and the Los Angeles Lakers. Other NBA Topics include, Andre Iguodala's retirement from the NBA, Jordan Poole's legacy and the biggest issues with American youth sports. Remember to Like and Subscribe!! Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get a $500 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. SUBSCRIBE:  / @gilsarena   APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Shoes by Plein Sports Pre-Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 Chapters Show Start 0:00:00 Intro 0:03:12 Breaking Down How To Make A Shot Over Wemby 0:08:18 No One Is Paying Attention To Lebron 0:22:33 How Pop Will Unlock Wemby 0:28:47 Gil Give Pop His Credit 0:29:08 The Biggest Issue With Youth Basketball 0:37:47 Should The NBA Follow The Club Method? 0:55:31 Dwight Howard Enters Gils Arena To Discuss His NBA Career 1:08:28 Which Teams Need Dwight The Most? 1:11:13 BJ And Dwight Relive Their HS Hoops Days 1:14:41 Dwight Discusses The Mindset Behind His Defense  1:20:36 Speaking on Retirement  1:22:57 Playing With Kobe in Los Angeles  1:24:45 Is Dwight Better Than Patrick Ewing? 1:29:08 Andre Iguodala Hangs It Up 1:38:17 Who's Better Iggy or Kawhi? 1:40:50 What is Andre Iguodala's Legacy? 1:50:21 Jordan Poole Playing With No Pressure 1:57:09 Gil Defines What Winning Is 2:04:07 MostlyFans 2:25:23 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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but has already given us some legendary moments. This was not photoshopped. So last week the 7'4 Wimby hit Rockets forward Reggie Bullock with the nutbag and capped off his preseason with a solid performance against the Warriors, including this block on Andrew Wiggins. Like I said, the internet thought this had to be photoshopped. This is legit. I mean, he making him look like a little kid right here.

For real? Why is Wiggins shooting that high? Exactly. Did he already hit it? Nah. Like he's shooting on the gun. That's the net. Man, you sure that ain't Photoshopped?

That's the wrong angle for it. That ain't no Photoshop. Right? That's a block. No, wouldn't that be like, wouldn't he be at his Elk? He'd be like, like the ball would be like somewhere around here on it On the path. Why is it that high up because they seen that? He's on the way

Like one of steps, you know when he did when you be doing this free throws and throwing it up that looked like how that shot was He wouldn't made that shit anyway I mean just from me. Hey no way Hey, no way He shot it like you're shooting like Ted drop man put that back up there man. Can we get come on we shoot? Look how close look like to me. yeah, that's a good, I mean... That's a good shot, man.

For real? Look at it. That's like the broom drill. When y'all do the broomstick, you got to get it over. Where are you shooting at, though? That's just ridiculous that you got to see that all year. Like, all year, every time you shoot. Man, that's not...

For real. Like, you got to change that shot now. Yes. That looked like a high art. That looked like a high art, though. Rashad, what did you think about Wimby this preseason when be on ah When be on ah we win be seasoned is he nation in his women?

No, no, no, no go say what she was gonna say when what you said before when no before we before did the dude Ooh say what you said? It's Wimby. If he wouldn't went to another team, I'm Wimby'd out. But I can't, because he went to Spurs. I'm not fucking with him with the Spurs. But I'm going to, like y'all got y'all individual teams, right? And then you got Dame. You got Steph.

I got Wimby. So you're going with the Rook. I'm going with the Rook. 100,000%. What's wrong with the Spurs? Yeah, what's wrong with the Spurs? I'm not fucking with the Spurs, man. What's wrong with the Spurs? Yeah, I just saw him out if I'm not fucking with the Spurs With the Spurs be why we all like this what's the foot is everybody's like that, right? Like we just don't like a team for oh, yes

I don't know why y'all know why but I'm not gonna put that team. I don't know why. Y'all know why, but I'm not going to put that out there. No, you recanted that. I did, didn't I? Once that nigga move up top, then we might think about, you know what I'm saying, being Spurs. So how would y'all get y'all shot off against Wimby? I'm known for attacking. I like to attack the big man. Yeah, me, me.

I'm like, cut him off. Go right at his face. I mean, seven, right at his face. Yeah, go right at his face. I'm talking about Yao. He's more athletic than Yao was, but you attacking him. Yeah, he definitely going to be getting dunked on. Yeah, keep him on his heels.

I mean, keep him on his heels. I mean, keep him on his heels. Hit him midway so he folds. Right, so everything I'm doing is I'm jumping at his midsection. Well, he got Rudy that's teaching him how to block shots, go to the peak of the shot late, because he's already so long. So he don't have to do shit that other shot blockers usually have to do. He can get there late, you know what I'm saying?

But for us, we smaller guard. We got to attack him early, jump early, unexpectedly, right to the rim. Seven forward to eight foot wingspan, though? Even on your shot, like just from the looks of it, your shot's not even safe. No. Nowhere. Right? So he don't even, he don't really have to even block your shot to affect it because the fact that you know he can get to it will keep you sitting here trying to just to get it off. Forget trying to make it just to get it off. You have those doubts. So it's going to be interesting. But listen, no smart shooter would do a pick and roll with him in it anyway. No.

Because you're going to be forced to drive, so that's not what you want to do. If I'm Steph, I'm not going to do a pick and roll that has Wimby involved. Because even though I'm switching off, he can sit back so far and just jump, and he can affect that shot. So I'm going to stay away from him and just keep him down low. Well, how far? I mean, it depends on where the pick and roll's at. I mean, if you pick and roll about, damn near half court.

But if you're trying to do a pick and roll at the three and back him up, and no matter how much he backs up and you try to push him up. What you thinking? What you thinking? I'm just saying, it depends on what the guard is. If you're a guard that liked to attack the rim, I'm going right by him and trying to dunk him. No, no, that's what I'm saying. Like, I'm talking about for depends on what what the guard is if you a guard that like to attack the rim I'm going white by him and trying to dunk. I'm saying like I'm talking about for like a shooter If you're a shooting guard you want somebody like John Moran. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so you wanna make some mix He's gonna mix them but even like what stuff he still got a step back You got a issue over that you got a suit over that back or I'm just gonna

You doing stuff that you even even stuff like that you sit here trying to like but guys like high guys like high step They for show can but let's remember DeAndre Jordan Dwight Howard when they used to be down there and it wasn't none of that Like we knew they was yes it was they was getting that shit up out of here They was getting that shit up out of here, bro I got my holly. I know I got me. I know I got to lay up on the white. They getting that shit up out of here. 2009, 10, yeah, that shit was.

But even at 2014, DeAndre Jordan. DeAndre was a motherfucker. Like, you had to watch where he was at. He's coming to get that shit. Like, when be like that? Like, where he at? He coming to get that shit. I mean, we'll see.'ll see make dance you got me

Them feet move they gonna see even with someone like Kawhi right even though you shake Kawhi with a step back Yeah, he's so long that he can get back to it and just at least challenge like right his job It's like he's gonna get blocks, but most of his defense is coming from just you just reacting. Yep Yeah, being there Like I mean, it's different Definitely different and we even with Karolinko I never tried to take jump shots on Karolinko because there's one time where he's under the basket got that Any caught like wait, how?

How did you get here? Oh, yeah, I've never really got my jumper blocked because I can see how fast you're moving. So, man, you're not moving fast enough to block it. He got it. And I was like, all right, I'm just going to start taking you off the dribble the whole time. Yep. Them long motherfuckers be, they difficult. Difficult. But Wimby, Wimbyana, all day.

All day. But just Wimby, not the Spurs. Man, listen, Joel, Joel Embiid, Wimby, not the Spurs. Man, listen, Joel, Joel Embiid, you got two, three more years before... So are you going

to get a Wimby jersey and just blot out the Spurs on it? Man, I'm telling you. Jack getting work here a year. Chet? I don't know.

Chet? Over Wimby? Over Wimby? I don't know. I don't know. Over Wimby? I don't know. Huh?

No, I mean, as far as marketing, of course they're going... I ain't talking about marketing. I ain't course they're doing I ain't talking about marketing Marketing you do share got with him. So name them We go don't be shy. Don't be shy. Name. Yeah, he got 30 points scores with him. All right now name who will win be Our way. All right. Okay, put him win me. Exactly. They think they win me. They got dudes that average 20-something over there.

They got like three dudes who score. Before he got there. Before he got there. They was nice. But just, he's going to be on SportsCenter a lot more because of the moves he's going to be doing. Yeah. The hype of it for sure. No, no, no.

It ain't hype, though, if you're doing the moves. If you're actually making the moves. BJ, you out there doing these moves. I'm just saying, guys like that that come in the league. Lee okay It's like when LeBron came in his rookie year, so you feel like he should have just got rookie of year over mellow Because of the highlights or was it because of the hype and everything because mellow had to go look at five and five, okay? We have 20 First 25 and five yeah, so the mellow yellow 20. 21 and his team went to the playoffs. I'm just saying.

That's one of those years where it should have been cold. It depends on how big your hype is. It depends on how big your hype is. So you think that if Wimby come in 25, 10, and 4. He's all NBA.

No for sure. How can we not see those numbers? With the team he's on, we're going to see them numbers. What I'm saying is, guys like him and LeBron, they're going to win it regardless. It doesn't matter. But it's not hype. It is the hype.

Go look at Mello rookie year. No, no, no. Mello was cooking. Mello was cooking. That's why I said, worst case scenario, it was just saying I was good. Mello was cooking. Mello was cooking. That's why I said worst case scenario It should have been Co no was on mellow team Think about that Marcus can be Kenyan all them niggas

I think that he wasn't there yet when mellow kept when mellow came in. Oh, I like Vaughn Vaughn was a Vaughn It was Andre it It was Andre. It was Andre. Andre Miller. Marcus Camby. Nene. Reuben Patterson. Nah.

It was. They were good. They were good. They were solid. Better than the bronze team? Not really. Huh? One of them had a squad.

One of them had a squad. It was Darius Miles, Ricky Davis, Carlos. That's a squad. They was all young. No, they not. They was all young. Darius Miles was young with the Clippers. Not when he got down.

Yes, he was. That team was, because I'm on film right now. LeBron came in as a, he was guarding me the whole game. He was a shooting guard. Yes. I didn't realize that. So he wasn't the point guard or the swing forward. D. Miles was the three. He was the shooting guard. Yes. I didn't realize that. So he wasn't the point guard or the swing forward. D. Miles was the three.

He was the shooting guard. He was 6'8 at that time. LeBron is never a point guard. No, no, no. No, he's played point. What I'm saying is he led. So Jeff McGinnis came. Jeff became the point.

Yep. Man, on the fast break, D. Miles, him, and Ricky Davis on the fast break. Man. They're different. They had a squad. They had a squad. But it wasn't a squad. It was just jealousy over LeBron. They were jealous over LeBron. him and Ricky Davis on the man different It was just jealous over bronze jealous jealous over the brass That's why they had no money right and they had no leader on it. The leader was all young The vets were supposed to be the leader. They were memory. Let's see wait. I mean D miles did what three years with the Clippers

Two years three three years. There was his fourth year. He was playing with Cleveland. it was his fourth year he was playing with Cleveland. That was his fourth year. Boozer's second year maybe. But they still, but talent-wise, Cleveland's team was- Was they better than Denver? Talent-wise. He did two with the Clippers. What's the Denver roster?

But the Denver, like, yeah. 0-4 Denver? 0-4 Denver. Ryan Rooker. Melo leading the score. Andre Miller, Nae Nae, Vashon Leonard, Marcus Camby, Earl Boykins. Vashon Leonard was on there., Earl Boykins. Vashon Leonard. John Berry, Chris Anderson.

It was more of a veteran solid team. It's kind of the same. I'm just like, solid. You know what I'm saying? I would have gave it, listen, without thinking, I would have just said, all right, code. Nobody gets mad. I would have just did code. No one gets mad.

And that would have been the end of it. So you're saying that if Chet played the way he needed to play it should be cold if if they go head to head if they went in and he averaging over 20 and and wimby's just going but i'm just saying it's going to get overlooked so it's going to just it don't matter this is gonna be the best battle like if i'm if i'm the league if i'm the league i'm pushing both both guys like this is this is my, for my future, this is my Larry versus Magic. Yep. Yep.

This is like in, not the names themselves, but that's this. I got two big guys who do the same thing, who's coming in, and who has this big expectation. So I would try to be highlighting both of them to bring, so when they do clash, all eyes is on it. Yeah, because that preseason game was amazing with them. It was, bro. So that's why I'm just like, well, I mean, what's the difference? Yeah, the difference is we got to stop talking about LeBron and them.

Get to LeBron out of your mouth. Stop it. It's Wimby time. So let's talk about Wimby. It's Wimby time. Nah, nah, it's not Wimpy time so let's talk about when we go you make it's a wimpy time no it's not when no no lebron got two lebron got two more years he got one he got lebron he got 82 games no listen lebron should play 23 years and do it for real why i'm 23 take over the number 23 everything 23 23 years i'm number 23 down Sit your ass down, LeBron.

Nah, these next two years is all about LeBron, Steph, KD. Excuse me? I'm telling you. It's Wimby time. It's Wimby time. Because our favorite players

are going to, guys' favorite players are going to retire. And that's why, but that's why if I'm in the league, I need to start, because I know LeBron. Nah, they just need to wait.

LeBron, KD, they're all in that three to four, five. Two more years. So I need to start because I know LeBron now. They just need to wait little LeBron KD They're all in that three to four or five more years. So I need to start I need a moment a new guy building My rivalries now. Yes, I need to start building my rivalries now moving forward. Yes, bro all the young They need a new brand building up when be at the front. Well, be healthy then so we can do it. Stop sitting out games so we can get these things cracking. If not, then sit in here and wait for the next two years. LeBron should just be a hater and wait until KD and Steph want to retire, and then that's when he has the—

LeBron should retire. I'm taking y'all farewell tours too. LeBron should retire in 23 years. Take over the number 23. He's trying to wait for Bronny and maybe Bryce, according to that Beast by Dre commercial. So we're going to talk about that tomorrow. He ain't going to have no chance or no choice after this

because Wimby Yana is here. Okay, hold on, hold on. Wimby Yana is here. Did y'all see what I see? This boy doing shit that we create players on who K-Lid. No one's, no one, I think because he's been so good for so long, I don't think no one in real time is realizing what LeBron is actually doing. No one's paying attention, right? Like, let's just say his age, right?

He's 38. Now, when you compare him to other 38-year-olds that play this game, right, they look exactly like 38. Seven points, two, playing four, five minutes. And we're like, oh, look at that. We get the chip. You know how you start your career, right? Yep. You come in the game, everybody cheering you.

That's how they do, like, you know, when they come in the game and they ain't really got nothing left. And like, oh, yeah, you know. That's not here. They're cheering for you in the game and they ain't really got nothing left and like, oh yeah, you know. That's not here. They chanted for you in the fourth quarter. Fourth quarter. Hey, Paul Pierce. Paul Pierce. Paul Pierce.

Paul Pierce. Put him in the game. Put him in the game. 40 seconds left. You know, put him in the game. Come on, man. Come on. Y'all messing up my totality of what I averaged for my career.

Hell no. You know what I mean? So we don't even, what year is that going to be? It won't be a year. But that's what I'm saying. If we really say, all right, let him play until he looks like that. What are you talking about? 10 more years.

44, 45? Yeah, for sure. Right? That's why I say just hang it up now, man. Let Wim be doing his thing now. What was that, 44, 45? Yeah, for sure. That's why I say just hang it up now. That wouldn't be doing its thing now. It was at 44, 45. The man averaged 30 last year. And he's smart enough to know

he can literally average 35 this year. He said 30 last year? He can do it. Look at his speed. He is still top five, still fastest dude in the NBA. That's what I said. No one's, no one's. At this point, like.

How old was Mike when he retired? 36, right? No, when he came back with the Wizards. When he came back with the Wizards, he came back at 38. Huh? He came back at 38, 39, 39, 40. 40. So he, so, okay, so he.

He retired at 40. So he ended at 40, averaging 20? Yeah. And they said. So Mike would probably average 40 today at that age. No. No he, okay, so he- He retired at 40. So he ended at 40, averaging 20? Yeah. And they said- So Mike would probably average 40 today at that age. No. No, no, no. Mike would average 40 as a- No.

In our league, this league right now? Yeah, in this league. Yeah, 100%. Yes, he would. 100%. LeBron, I mean, yes, he would. Nobody's guarding Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan, if he's averaging 20 back then, imagine what he would do today.

No, no, no, no. At 40. He was good, but did you see how he played then? I'm going to get in the post. I'm going to do this, right? He wasn't he wasn't deering it like LeBron. I mean, that's all he ever did. Like, their bodies was... No, 100%. He's just saying just at least about getting buckets. Like,

Jordan can get buckets because it's easier to get buckets now. He wouldn't do it like LeBron. I don't know what I'm saying. There's a reason Jordan wouldn't average 40 because Jordan's body wouldn't have let him average 40. It would be innocent on the line to these kids today. But think about it. LeBron at 38, right, he's still running like he's 20.

Michael Jordan was like they were tearing tar out of his knee every game. He had to get drained every game. They're saying they're taking black. It looked black. It wasn't blood It was I know what you like so his body physically Wouldn't have lasted but he might get in buckets like LeBron like you saying LeBron getting them buckets because Half-court LeBron is not getting buckets. I have court Jordan half-court Jordan getting buckets every time down But he wouldn't have been able to average just because of his body.

Now, if you tell me that 98 Jordan, the 98 Jordan was moving, and you give him that at 38, fuck yeah. But 38 Jordan and 39 Jordan, that... No, I'm not... It was... Okay, so how many games did he play? It was dirt. He played 70...

How many games did he play? He know, I play 70 how many games my 82 the last year 82 82 so sick 82 second up In 30s averaging 30s averaging 30 and he's averaging 30 But then it's a Jordan think about what he has to do ever starts nothing just sit in the post and keep jump Keep jumping And Michael in this air what do you say to Canyon this is a back brace No, it's gonna be a long day for you back brace a back brace

Michael Jordan ain't got a run in no air man defensively what I'm saying defensively he's running, but oh we hide him We hide we hide them. We hiding him. We can hide him. We can hide him. We can hide Mike. We can hide Mike. You can't hide him not in this decade. Yes, you can.

Yes, you can. You hiding Steph. You hiding Luca. You hiding Kyrie. No. You hiding KD. Everybody being hidden. What I'm saying is in that early 2000, the point guard, he can just sit on the point

guard because it's Andre Miller. Right. It's those guys, right? So he didn't have to run around with Allen Iverson at that age, right? So you had a point guard who didn't score in that era, right? So if he was guarding AI, he wouldn't guard AI. He would guard Eric Snow. But right now.

They don't have that in the era. In this era, both guards are the scorers now. No. No. Not on every team. It don't matter. You still got to come down and guard me, which you probably won't be out here long. For real.

You ain't going to be out here long. But Mike... His knees... If Mike played 82 games, that means he's going to average. Man, them knees was good. And them knees was good. You traded Rip Hamilton because Rip Hamilton talked about his knees. I mean, well, you shouldn't have been talking. You shouldn't have been talking. I his knees. I mean, well you shouldn't

Michael Jeffrey how sensitive do you gotta be about your knees? human. Like that. Like that. Don't you miss it, my knees again. Don't you miss it. You sitting there rubbing it like, yeah, my knees is hurting. Knees is fucking sore as fuck. Get the fuck out of here, man. When we came here today, I had no idea we'd be talking about Michael George's knees. Yeah, man.

But here we are. Yeah. Because we're talking about Wimby. I didn't know Mike played 82 minutes last season, bro. You know we have ADHD over here, man. No, I love it. That's crazy. Let's go back to Wimby real quick.

And I just want to pull up that video of him nutmegging Reggie Bullock for a sec. If we got it. Oh. Give me that. That's steel. That's called a steel. Then a highlight. Uh-oh.

And then a foul right here. He should have Euro right there. Dunk. Dunk, yeah. Yeah, don't pass. Euro dunk with the right. Boom. Come on, man.

Who's doing that? So here's my question. Ah, that's a foul. I mean, you can ask your old dog with the right. Oh, come on man. Who's doing that? So here's my that's a foul. I mean you can't be a young dude like that out here embarrassing vets I get off me. That's a foul ref. Stop it So when be be mindful about not trying to embarrass do this season with the potential repercussions what repercussions he's like That he took that hit like a champ then you took that... You got to give Pop his credit. This is why. You have a generational talent. You have something you've never seen before, right? Never seen before.

There's only a handful of coaches that can understand what this is. And now this lets us know how different pop is, right? You have something that you've never seen. It's the new basketball. It's the new era. And you're not trying to make him fit your style

or what you are used to. You're saying, hey, go. Go out there and do what you do and let me see it. You don't see him trying to correct him. You don't see him trying to correct him. You don't see him trying to make him do something he's not. When people are like, oh, is he a five man? Is he a four man?

Papa's like, he's what he is. He's what today he might be the one. Tomorrow he might be the five. That's the luxury of it. Utility. And if somebody like a Seth Van Gunney or somebody like that, he wouldn't be out there doing it like think about how comfortable you have to do hit you with the net Oh sit there like he's He has the like pop is like go do you yeah when other coaches would have been like no no no no no no

That's not what we do here. It's cuz because yeah Cuz he didn't go to college though Because he didn't go to college coaches already n Because he didn't go to college. Coaches already nipped that shit in the bud. If you already know, when you go to college, they cut your game down. So him coming straight over from overseas, Pop got to let him rock. Because he ain't seen structure like this. Same way with Scott Skiles. Love you, Skiles.

He got to let you rock. If I went to college, I would have still been in there like Ice Cube. No, Arizona would have let you. That's just how it is. Little Rock. I mean, Luke Stoudemire. What, Luke Olsen left. Oh, he left.

Luke Olsen left. Who was it? You'd have been there one year. You'd have been one year gone. Kevin O'Neal. Ooh, that would have been different. That would have been different. But we know coaches can break the wild, right?

He's looking at wild and saying, just do it. Now, you don't like just sitting pop on a bench and he's not even... He's just enjoying it. He's just enjoying it. Like, all right, you know, this is what... Ooh, okay, all right, this is different. Right?

But that's what makes a... Like, all you coaches out there, when y'all have talent, understand that for a talent to blossom, you have to let it try everything that it has. Once you cut off the creativity here. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a difference, too. It's not saying, like, yo, if he keeps doing goofy things and stuff like this.

Let him get his feet wet a little bit. Pop just got to move around. Don't be on some like... No, but don't be on no goofy ass like JaVale McGee type shit. Oh, for sure. But Pop got to move around though. Pop got to move around and look, you're Joe Biden-ing it out there. Come on. You're Joe Biden-ing it out there.

Come on, man. We got to leave Pop alone. Don't talk about it. We got to talk about it. You're getting Biden in and out there. You're Joe Biden in and out there. We got to leave Papa alone. We got to talk about this. You're getting close, man. You're getting real close. Just move around. Let this young... It's Wimby time, bro.

I don't need you doing anything but letting this kid do what he do. But think about some of the coaches if he actually went to Nate McMillan. But they all out now. All the coaches now are younger. Think about some of the coaches that could have ruined him. You know, you just took away all creativity. You know Adam Silver wasn't letting that ride.

Yeah, yeah. So the potential teams that he could have went to, one, two, three, was what? Second was the Houston team? Hornets. Hornets and then Portland. So he's not going to go Houston team? Hornets. Hornets and then Portland. So he's not going to go to the fucking Hornets. He's about to say he definitely doesn't want to go to Charlotte. Definitely not. But Chauncey could have

let him rock and mold them. Portland. We needed to get Dan to Milwaukee. For sure. But I'm just saying outside of pop, you're talking about coaches that let him rock without fucking with his game. That's what I look at. I look at just like some of those players that you see before and then when they get to a coach How do they play now like are they still playing with the same free free spirit? Yeah, or they handicap by?

Your Expectations and style exactly like you know somebody's some of of these older coaches don't adapt to nothing. Well, look at all the high school players that came out, right? Their games never changed. They didn't have the adjustment period like college players have, where they have to choose and make the decision of being a role player or trying to be the star player. When you come out of high school, nigga, you coming in to be this guy. So Amari, T-Mac, LeBron, shit, you could say Yao, you could say Dwight.

Like all these guys, Sebastian and them, Josh Smith, these guys just played high school ball. They never, even J.R. Smith, J.R. came out. He was J.R. He still be J.R. But that college side side you could see it You could see the or the coach got into you. He make you make that good pass make you make that play Otherwise you holding that bitch for your own shit. You trying to get your own shit. So I like the win beat But that's why that's why my whole thing was with the WNBA at the time

allowed of girls to come out of high school the reason is Your your ever the evolution of your game is being cut is being cut because the the girls in high school that are Creating this new this new wave of moves. What happened is they have to go to college and they're spending four years in college Being being tamed. Being told that move is not what we do. They're being tamed.

That's not what we do here. That's not what we do here. So you're being tamed for four years. By the time you get to the WNBA, you're the same as them. Yep. You're exactly the same as them. So if you're the same as them, where is the person that's coming in changing? Yeah. AI changing. Shaq changing yeah ai changing shack changing jordan changing right white chocolate changing yeah the the steph right where's the players at if you if

you keep having your evolution go to college and get put into the ucla cut cut and all of this and backdoor and pick and pop it. Robot Sid. Super Robot Sid. A very effective offense. You know what I mean? You need to come down and sit here and throw the swivel and that's coming from your high school talent. Those are the girls that have

this expectation of what they have no limit right and that's that's where that's why i say y'all should let them in because there's an you're you're missing you're missing the evolution and that's the problem i remember seeing when you came to 360 one time you was fresh off your injury you was trying to get back to rehab but you was just started hooping on court, and you was just out there trying shit. Like, you never hoop organized before.

I'm like, this thing is out here doing between the legs, shit behind the back. BD used to do the same shit, and it kept your game fresh for creativity. Like, I'm not just out here playing good hoop, like pass, cut, but I'm being creative and that helps some players when they see that comfort level, they're like, why ain't I go back to my shit?

Why did I leave my shit at home? And it's like, you got so much shit in your own bag, but you playing organized basketball. So it's like a Wemby and all these other kids, like a Scoot, Scoot can't get into the whole, like you said, being a basketball player instead of being a pro like i'm a pro let me get my shit off the way i came in instead of conforming to pass cut let me do what the coach say that shit fuck your game up well speaking of the the

ucla cut gill you know you're hating on the offense i ain't on the odyssey goody no i'm just saying like you know when you when you're running that cut like when you're hating on the offense. Hating on the Odie Pagoodie. No, I'm just saying, like, you know, when you're running that cut, like when you're running that offense, like at least know the history of it. Like it was created to use the shot clock because there was no shot clock. So instead of everyone doing like four or five out and keep away, that was the UCLA cut. We're going to pass. We're going to keep moving. And then when the defense eventually gets tired after seven fucking minutes.

We're going to get an easy layup. Yeah, for sure. That was it. That was the whole offense. That was really the offense. So the fact that you're using offense today when it was designed for this is kind of like, meh. Let's talk about the college game a little bit and youth basketball. So UCLA head coach Mick Cronin went the international route this season. Of the Bruins, eight new players, seven recruits, plus one transfer,

five are from overseas. Cronin offers some insights into what he perceived to be the biggest issue with youth basketball in America. The biggest problem in our country when it comes to basketball is that basketball is tied to scholastics. And where everywhere else it's not. You play for your clubs, which don't limit your time and access. So if you were to ask an international guy, he's never played a pickup game without coaches. He's never played AAU basketball. Everything is organized

and taught and coached. Where here, we limit the access of our coaches. These guys, they get five months and that's limited. That's the problem in our country with basketball. But the problem is it's being played 12 months a year. You know, so our guys, they play more unorganized basketball in America than you play organized basketball. So thoughts on Mick Cronin's comments on youth basketball? What is scholastics? It's tied to high school, college, whatever. You have to be eligible.

You have to get a certain amount of grade point average to be able to play the sport, versus overseas, you get in the academies, you get in the club circuit, you're on the squad. Why didn't he just say that? There's a lot to say if he just said that. Okay, how about this? I understand what he's trying to say,

but obviously he coaches for UCLA, which makes him not very... It says a lot. You know what I mean? It says a lot. Okay, first of all... No, you said it. It says a lot.

It says a lot. It says a lot. They didn't ever recruit me, so... Sports... You awful. You awful. Sorry, but... Sports in America...

Red, we already talked about this. You would have been running that BS, burned 30 seconds off the clock. Go ahead, Gil. No transition. Sports in America is ran by money. It's money that is running AAU. Money.

Teams after teams. Like, it's a money grab, right? If it wasn't for this money grab, he wouldn't even have a job. Hey. Because't be him there's no college it overseas don't have college right it's pro right so there's no high school there's no it's you come into a club league which is a pro league so he wouldn't even be talking because he wouldn't even be a part of this he would have to try to find out how to get a club team or be a pro team. And that's really the problem with sports in America.

It's money driven, so everybody's trying to figure out how to get as much money out of the kids, out of their talent, at every stage. Middle school, high school college Mm-hmm, and that's really what the actual problem is there the factor of hours right That's on you coach. Hey you you can you can why can't you coach your players for 12? 12 hours a day six hours a day because you're charging, who do they charge?

For $100 a month? $200 a month? For AU? I feel like that bread is... They're charging $20 to park at these joints. I'm not even talking about the tournament. I'm just saying. I'm talking about just for that program. If you're paying $200 for the month... Like $600.

$600 for the month, bam. $200 for the month. Like 600, it's like 600. 600 for the month, bam. 600 for the month, right? For the one player, why would I want to practice you six, seven hours when I can just do the one hour with you twice a week, once a week, right? And get the same $600, right? Like, it's the job. It's the hours versus the income, right? If you really are dedicated about this shit, right,

no matter what the number is, you're going to dedicate it to your program where I'm going to be training these kids six, seven hours a day at the school because obviously we have school. That's the scholastic part of it, though, and that's what he's basically saying. You go to an academy or you can do some of the club stuff overseas, your school is basketball. Yes. Yes. So what you're saying, you're literally saying like, if I stayed out of state or out of the city from where my team is, my AAU team, I'm not going to be able to have access to that six hour practice. You know what I'm saying? I can only come when I

can come. Right. So what I believe he's saying is, is when you talk about the access to the coaching year round, all 12 months is better than just the AAU allowing the kids to just do whatever uncoached and, you know, really just do what you want. That's showing the discipline from the players between the European players and American players players because it's individualized now. If you're in a college and you're chasing money through NIL, you're not thinking about the team and the access of how the coach coaches. You're thinking about how I'm going to get my bread. Do I have enough skill to showcase my talent to get the bread? Now he's looking like, all right, overseas, they all thinking about team.

It's all team. No, they're all thinking about trying to make the protein that's what i'm saying but you gotta fit in to the team aspect overseas that's why they practice so long and they don't play pickup without another coach being there to be like hey okay so how is that the player's problem that's the coach's problem over here is the player's problem because we don't have the coaches that are dominating. No, we don't have the coaches that's, like, if I'm paying you $600, period, right? You have two choices.

You can train me for an hour twice a week, or you can train me for five hours, seven days a week. Which one are you going to do for the 600? Well, let's just not even talk about AAU. Talk about college. If the coaches are only allowed to practice you three hours because of the restrictions overseas, I don't have to go to college. They got us 12 hours. Instead of those three, they got 12.

Just by rules and regulations on what we do as American players. So they got an advantage because they got year-round all-day coaching when we only got three hours just by rules. Well, their rules, see, then they need someone that's smart enough to understand what rules are and know how to bend them. Yeah, I can't.

I have three hours as a team. There's no rule on individuals. So I can't, I have three hours as a team. There's no rule on individuals. So I can train, after the three hours is up, I can train you and you together for another hour. Train these two for another hour. Train these two for another hour. I can train my same team individually,

two, three at a time, as long as it's not a team. And it's like four players at a time. Yes. It can't be more than four players. Yeah, there's a, like, if you are wanting to be a coach and you're really about that shit, then stop using that excuse because they're not using it. Kobe Bryant, right, his Mamba team, they trained seven days a week for three hours every single day. If you miss one practice, you're not starting.

It wasn't, obviously, it's not about money for him. It's about training. Training. Right? It's not about money. It's the training. I'm trying to get these girls better. Right?

We are handicapped because, one, we're privileged here, so we're not that good. Right. We're not that good. So. We're not that good. So we have to really build our talent up. So he made the girls practice every single day, three to four hours a day. Now, if you're a program out here, there's some programs that they don't even practice. I just call you on game day.

Right. Right? That's our problem. It's money-oriented. Well, right. That's our problem. It's money Oriented well, that's what I'm saying. Cuz Kobe if Kobe's the coach Right. Mm-hmm, and he's the leading trainer of the program and there's no drop-off Mm-hmm. So what we've done in America is we've put all the onus on the trainers and Then you get the player the coach gets the player after the trainer and we're expecting this player to be coachable I haven't touched him yet. He don't know what I want. You know, we don't know nothing. That's what he's saying

He's like I only get him for a five. What would he say five months? So so it's like I got a little fun. I know his job stops after five months, right? So what do y'all think jobs, huh? So what do y'all think is hurting basketball? Is it high school? Is it college? Is it AAU? Like, what do you think is hurting us in America? Because whatever is hurting us, I think we should just take it out then. I mean, okay. Scholastics. Or address it.

No, I think take it out. If college basketball is hurting, then take it out. I think school should just be for school, and we should start basketball academies out here. So let me ask a question for all three of y'all though. Let's just do that. So you ain't got to play for your high school coach. But that's what I'm saying.

America's running about money so it's trying to figure out how we can get the most money out of everybody, right? If we take out school, if we take out school for the athlete, think about how much money

they're losing in school. Everyone's losing. Yeah, school. I mean, everybody don't do sports. Enrollment. I mean, everybody can't play basketball. I mean, that stuff overseas, you got to be good. No, no, I mean. Like Ricky Rubio was, like Ricky Rubio was, you know.

Now think about it. When you go to the clubs, right? Think about clubs, right? Yeah. The celebrities, the people with the money, don't pay. Right. It's everybody else. Right. AAU celebrities, the people with the money, don't pay. Right. It's everybody else. Right.

AAU basketball, the elite. The good kids don't pay. They paid you. So for me to pay you, who I got to get the money from? Them. And outside. Same with college. So I got to create a bronze team, a silver team.

So I got to create all these sorry-ass groups of kids and parents to make up for money. So the money is not from the elite. So like over there, their elite team, yeah, they're not paying. It's the other hundred that just want to be a part of a program. That's where they're getting their money from.

You take that out. That's the question. The question for all three of y'all, though, what's more important for young hoopers, high school or AAU? I think AAU. I mean high school, it just depends on your schedule. Like what school you go to.

Okay, I went to Dominguez, we played a great schedule, but when I went to Oak Hill, I played a crazier schedule. Better competition. So it just depends on, like you can be good for your high school team, a you you know you might be 10 times better like because your schedule is trash like okay in what aspect though so i'm basically asking like this if i'm trying to get recruited or going to the next level recruited or trying to go into the league is it make more sense for me to play high school brandon like you're saying why play a limited schedule not getting those coaches there versus playing aau where i know some of these

games i'm gonna have, 40 college coaches. It's national exposure, too. It's more national exposure. It depends on who you are. Yeah. Right? I mean, if you're a talent, right, if you're a talent, then obviously AAU is

because you're going to be in front of coaches. Yep. Right? But understand, you're going to be in front of coaches, and most of those programs that you're in don't practice right right you don't have practice right so now you're relied on you having a personal trainer and you getting better right and then the first time you and your teammates get together it's on the court right so y'all are figuring that out right there well high school it's more discipline

because you have classes and then you have practice. It's the time where you actually get practice and get some type of skill development towards some type of basketball knowledge. I agree. At AAU, you're not going to get basketball knowledge. There's no structure. That's not true. There's no structure. That's not true.

That's not true. We're not talking about the 2000s. We're not talking about now. No, no, no. That's not true. We're not talking about the 2000s. I'm about to say. We're not talking about the 2000s. We're talking about now. We're talking about now.

We're not talking about back then when it was just your team. Where do you get the knowledge from, from AAU side? Wait, what was the name of your team? SCA. And how many teams did SCA have? One or two. In high school, high school division? Yeah, like 16th, 17th.

Oh, so y'all even broke it up then? I mean, like in the beginning, but towards the end, yes. Okay, so me in high school, yes, 17 and under. Right, it's just 17 and under. And we practice all the time. Well, what happens if they would have added a 9U team, a 10U team, 112? What if they added another 100? Like, most of these programs back then were 13 players.

Yeah. Now them gyms are a 100 kids Yeah, so if you was in high school today, you will be training and practicing with nine-year-olds in the gym Y'all would be going through the same drills. No way. Yes. How is it different? That's I'm saying. That's not what I mean Oh, no coaches are gonna put you through the same drill like he's saying? I would say no. I'm not going to no drill with no nine-year-old. No, not with the nine-year-olds, but what they're doing, y'all doing the same shit.

It's the same thing because it's a program now. Yeah. It's a program. I got 100 kids. We're coming in on, let's say, Monday and Friday. I got the gym for two hours. I got the gym for two hours. How do I train all these kids?

They all come in, and we go through these times. Why would they be training me the same thing that they teach in the nine-year-old? Because it's a basketball program. It's a program. Well, what program is that? Because they need to be... That's all.

The only thing that changes is your age group. That's it. You got the 17-year-olds doing the same. Three-man... We still doing three-man weave. So they don't have, like, back in the, well, see. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Fast break.

Secondary break. Do y'all run secondary break? Y'all ran it? Secondary break, right? Yeah, yeah. Everyone does the same thing. In the early 2000s, like, we had, like, I'm 16, 15 years old. I'm going against guys like Jordan Farmer, Aaron Afalo, and guys like that in AAU practices.

So I'm going against, like, they don't do that no more. They don't have guys. What I'm saying is they don't have. Yeah, now it's age groups. And then in those ages, like, you might have a 12U team, but think about 12U, right? You might have 12U, like, what is it, open division, which means most of those kids is 13 14 right and then you

have your 12 you gold then your 12 you silver then your 12 you bronze right then you got maybe your developmental that means you probably got at least 60 12 age 12 just that age so think about how big a person's program is no i mean yeah i mean that's it's just but still like i y'all take y'all little asses over here Like there's no way they should ever be in the gym or anything We should be doing the same as us. No gyms is big enough to hold think about the conversation we have in though It's about the discipline crazy from a high school program to a au program. Which one is not needed We talk about college right? So before you go to either one of these high school or a au program

What is the university looking for they're looking for disciplined players who know how to play basketball aau not setting you up for that if you go to aau you can't go to college after playing just aau and then expect to actually go in and just hoop because they're your your wake-up call is going to be the first four days of the first college experience. You're going to be like, yo, what the fuck is this? Coach on your ass every single day, every turnover. They're like, what is this young motherfucker?

Where he played at? IMG. Where he played at? SCA. What's that? He didn't go to Montreux Christian. He didn't go to. So it Christian. He ain't go to... So it's different because we know where the discipline is coming from.

AAU is just freestyle basketball. So this is how high school basketball and college are the mirrors. AAU and NBA is the mirror. Yes. Right? So the problem is you have high school and college kids in the AAU circuit. Yep. Right? So the problem is, is you have high school and college kids in the AAU circuit. Yep. Right? Like, when you're talking about AAU, AAU is for the elite of the elite.

Yeah, yeah. The elite of the elite. It's supposed to be for your, like, SGA. All-stars. What was LeBron's team? Crawford Greatness, Compton Magic, Oakland Soldier. Those are the only type of teams that's in AAU. That should be, right? That should be.

It's the elite of the elite. That means all 12, 13 players are potential NBA prospects. Guaranteed Division I guys. There's no, you know, I might make it to D3. I might make my varsity team this year after my junior year. Like, no, it shouldn't be. Those guys are not in AAU because AAU mimics the NBA. That's that group.

And Big Tom and Nike Camp is the all-star game for the AAU. Yes. The best of the best go to these camps because we're the all-stars of our AAU programs. That's where we meet up at. I guess I feel that way because me, it's like I go from SEA and then I go to Oak Hill. So it's still AAU-filled to me. It is. But it is.

But you're Oak Hill, but Oak Hill is that. Oak Hill is Oak Hill. It is. It's like AAU. It's like AAU feel to me. It is. But it is. But Oak Hill is that. Oak Hill is that. It is. It's like AAU. It's like AAU heaven. I'm playing, you know, 40 games against the best. Again, so it's like

it doesn't drop off. So I'm just feeling like it's still AAU. But your whole squad isn't from Mount the Wilson, Virginia, right? No, we're all from over. Yeah, yeah.

It's a boring school. That's why my mind said it. Yeah, it's a boring school. So it's basically an all-star squad. It's AAU getting transferred over. Yep, yeah. But when you look around, you talk about clubs and the club aspect.

Should NBA teams have their own youth development program? Should it be kind of like the club model overseas where, like, look, the Lakers, we identify the best kids in this area, and now we have our own squad that we're training and building to become pros? No, that's since, you know, shoe programs want to be so involved, and I've talked with Adidas with this, right, where y'all should mimic overseas and have your own academies. Yeah.

Where you identify what top-tier talent looks like at an early age, the potential, and you guys are inviting them. Okay. Like, they get an invite for your facility. the potential, and you guys are inviting them. Like, they get an invite for your facility. There's no politics involved, no names, no money. You can't buy your way into none of this shit. It's earned. Right? It's your talent.

That's cool. Right? So if I have, you know, the facility that's just IMG, right? And I'm Nike, I'm Adidas. I can pick the players I want. You get invited here. You get free board, free education, free everything. And I'm training you to be... So now I already have the pipeline. These are my Adidas kids.

So when they make it, this is... Same thing with Nike, same with Under Armour, right? You have to identify with the talent first yep right if you want the change right it's not I can't you know my kid he has to be able to make that team yeah right y'all have the tryouts he makes it before for you to get in the tryouts you have to be invited huh huh so it's a privilege yes it's a privilege just like Nike can't yeah it's a privilege it's not low's a privilege. Just like Nike can. Yeah, it's a privilege. It's not low.

Yeah, you know, your daddy played for Adidas. So you're averaging five points. No, none of that shit works. Your name, no, this ain't no name thing. Yeah, yeah. And I've talked to, you know, my Adidas rep and said, that's the evolution. Yes. Evolution is when you shoot companies need to start creating your own hub and your own system

where the scoot Henderson's and all of those, you can identify with them and you're pulling them in. You have those kids from 11, 12, 15, whatever you have them. And you're just really, you're giving them the free education. You're giving them all that. So money, like, like now it makes it, it makes a parent really want to like high school i really want my kid to be there for the free education it takes a lot of pressure off of me yeah fuck yeah and parent go home and the parent go home it takes yeah and it takes away the pain i ain't paying you what i need to pay you for when i'm giving you something you want your son to be putting this this this fast track machine?

Now you're saving money on your bills. He's being fed and treated and he's becoming a pro. I don't need to pay your bills and do all that. None of that. It takes all that money and paying the NIL. Fuck all that. Yeah, no. If you care about the kid.

Yeah, but what happens if that kid doesn't pan out? He just don't pan out. He got a free high school education. I talk about this in my book. The same exact model he talking about right now. Sports education programs outside of the colleges. But the one thing I didn't touch on was the sponsors. Who the sponsors would be.

So imagine Adidas being the main sponsor of a sports education program that literally take you to this hub, this facility, train you just like OTE. OTE without a sponsor. That's all it is. Now you put Nike or Under Armour. Now what happens is you bringing in your product. This is your product. This Wemby is attached to Adidas. He comes into the NBA as the number one pick. they picked them from your batch.

Like, oh, we got Adidas guys. Look at these Adidas guys. Look at these Nike. But it's over time, more structure and more discipline in the talent you choose. Because all the kids that over time are not NBA players. They're not even prospects, right, for the most part. Some of those guys, you're like, why is this guy? You know, I know they're just trying to start their league up, Okay. Right, for the most part. Some of those guys, you're like, why is this guy?

You know, I know they're just trying to start their league up, so they're trying to pull as many kids that want to come there, but for the most part, as a parent, you bringing me your kid, fuck off. I'll come to you. Yeah, because we need your kid. You can't bring me your kid. That's not how this works. And they got-

You know what I mean? You can't bring me your kid. I'll give you a USA basketball. I'll give how this works. And they got... You can't bring me your kid. I'll give you a USA basketball. I'll give you an invite. And then y'all come and we're going to try out and we're going to see what's discipline. That's how this works. It's not you come in and you drop your kid off

and how much money I get. Babysitting shit. But they got education programs at OTE too. They don't talk about that. They cover the whole basis. They do everything. They just don't have a selective program where they're selecting. Right. Should it be more gear? When you talk about these type of programs, I think that's the issue with college, right?

You take a bunch of general education classes and the shit that's not going to really benefit you long term, where people don't have financial literacy classes and that type of stuff. They don't know how to balance a checkbook or count for their bread or do all the simple shit that these high level professional athletes really need to learn. You're not going to learn shit in the Earth, Space, Science class or whatever it is on college campus versus now if you can go to a situation like this and get that side of it as well.

Yeah, I mean, you're training them to be professionals early, right? A professional ain't being trained to be a professional until he's a professional now, right? I don't know. I mean, come on. Think about it. You know, you go into the NBA. What do you know about the NBA?

What do you know about money? What do you know about anything? Nothing. You're learning it as you go. Yeah. Right? The only people who have an advantage in the NBA is usually white players and kids of NBA players. Yep, yep, yep. But think about you know, Steph will have an event Steph clay. They will have an advantage Over the norm because their parents already been through it. They've already grew up in that type of environment

So they don't really want for nothing but their greatness think about You got medical school law school business school. We don't got a school of sports. We don't got a school where the athletes go when they don't go to their goal. They don't finish that ultra light that they wanted to go for. And then they have something to fall back on. Like the post-grad school, this is what I created in my book that I talk about is when you finish school, where's your plan A, plan B, plan C?

But that's us trying to be analysts, broadcasters, sports medicine, personal trainers, all those things inside of the hub. So we don't leave the hub to try to go be something other than what we came to school for. We came to school for who? So where is the school of who? We need to create the school for hoop. And if we don't create it within our own hubs, facilities like Adidas or OTE where we come here to hoop, I want to focus on hoop, whether it's broadcasting, whatever it is, but it's hoop. So it's like we're forgetting about those sides when we talk about the international game because that's what they focus on Yeah

But just get back to that point so you got the night cuz you got the Adidas you're getting all these kids right invite only But it's safe to say there's only 60 spots in the NBA every year just from a draft standpoint Mm-hmm all these kids they gonna make it of course not that's why I selected So now what happens for some of those kids who are selected that don't pan out was was reality Is reality but you know What happened to the kids overseas that don't make it to the national team? Yeah. I don't know what people are so infatuated with fucking overseas, right?

How many people live in Serbia, in Greece? I think Serbia's like eight or nine million, let me tell you. Eight or nine million. There's one fucking player from Serbia in the NBA. What the fuck is the rest of the players doing, right? They're doing something else, right? Greece got 11 mil. They're in the army, man. They're in the army.

Like these overseas guys are just coming in and there's hundreds and hundreds. And we need to mimic that. There's one person in the country here. Greece. I mean, yeah, Greece. There's just Giannis. The other two, they're just luggage. Yeah. They're fucking luggage. Come on, you're my brothers. They got, yeah, Greece. Just Giannis. The other two, they're just luggage. Yeah.

They're fucking luggage. Come on, you're my brothers. They got to bring you along. Other than that, they would be playing in Greece. Nobody even know about them. Real shit. Let's stop pretending that there's a bunch of hundreds and hundreds of kids. Like Spain probably has the best of the best.

And most of them are coming. There are other players that they're paying to come and play for their team. But Spain probably has majority of the talent, or now Canada, right? But what is the rest of them doing? But that's, I don't understand. They're playing in the league over there, making money and working, whatever.

I understand what's pissing you off, because it's like the players that we are talking about, they're so well-oiled that we think that all the other players over there are like that. So we're giving a lot of credit to the Giannis, the Jokers, and the Lucas. We're looking at them like there's a whole bunch of them over there. No, we're not. No, we're not saying that. Because.

We're not saying that. But look. How they present it. But look. But that's the perception. But it's the feel. No, it's a feel of it. Because it's like, damn, they that good?

How they get that good? And they over there, like, they got to be more of them over there. It's like, but they just love the game a little bit differently than what we do over here. So we think that the international game. No, they're just kicking our ass right now. That's just what it is. They've been running the league for the last couple years. That's just what it is.

There's one Greece dude with 14 American backings. Like, why are we... There's Giannis, then there's 14 Americans helping. Huh? Are you forgetting about that? You have... And I'm from Greece, and y'all needed me to come over here and give y'all... No, no, no, no, no.

You need us to help you. Help what? I play basketball. You get to play your style because we're adapting to you and your talent. That's how good I am. Or that's how good we are. No, obviously no. Because y'all

wasn't winning nothing before I got here. But you have a skill that we see that we're saying, okay, he can lead us so we're going to downgrade what we do to help you win I'm trying to make it seem like there's a bunch of Yannis is on a team and it's all your own way down Great what like everybody if not if Yannis not there who's the star right? Who's winning the more?

Who's the star of who the Bucks if we put who if Yannis is not there if we put LeBron? Oh, no, I'm just saying, no, no, no. Don't put nobody. He said, just take Giannis off that team. Who is the star of the team? If we take the other 14 Americans off the team. No, no, no. 13. Just the one.

Take them. 15, 15. But the Nassie's on the roster. Is Drew Holiday, without Dame there, would Drew Holiday be the star of the team if there was no Giannis? No, they would be drafting someone else. What I'm saying is y'all trying to act like,'all trying to act like it's how you say it. You're making it seem like the team is full of heroes running the league. No, but it is heroes running the league right now.

I mean, every year it's an MVP. It's a finals. It's like the last time we had a, I mean, thank you, Steph. Thank LeBron. But after that, then what? So, yeah, they are running the league. They are running the league. The same three big men are winning MVPs?

I mean, and going to the finals, I mean, what? The same three big men. You're better off just saying the Euro big man is running the league. Luka's running the league, too. With who? With whoever. Whoever wants that smoke. Whoever wants that smoke.

I'm with Luka. I'm with Luka. What is he doing? I'm with Luka. Whoever wants the smoke. What is he doing? With whoever. Whoever wants that smoke. Whoever wants that smoke. I'm with Luka. I'm with Luka. What is he doing? I'm with Luka. Whoever wants the smoke. What is he doing? Kyrie, come be number two. Kyrie, come be number two.

What is he doing? What is he doing? No, no. You're talking about Kyrie being number two? You're talking about Kyrie being number two? You're talking about Kyrie being number two? You're talking about Kyrie being number two? You're talking about Kyrie being number two?

You're talking about Kyrie being number two? You're talking about Kyrie being number two? You're talking about Kyrie being number two? It's not about Kyrie being number two. It's not about Kyrie being number two. It's not about Kyrie being number two. It's not about Kyrie being number two. It's not about Kyrie being number two. It don't play one-on-one. Fellas, fellas, we don't play one-on-one. We could do this for a while, but we got a special guest pulling up to the arena, making his first appearance. He early, Gil. American player, but I win it this year, then.

He in the middle. Hey, you're going to ask him, too, because he over there. He knows what's going on. So he's eight-time All-Star, eight-time All-NBA, three-time Defensive Player of the Year, five-time Rebound Leader, two-time block leader, and he won the hardest chip in NBA history in the bubble with the Lakers in 2020. Here we go with this shit. Dwight Howard, welcome to Gil's Arena.

Yo. What it do? What's up, y'all? My Adidas comrade! What's up, man? How y'all doing, man? Thanks for having me, man. I appreciate y'all.

No problem, no problem. No doubt. Let's get right into this. Do you still want to play in the league? And if so, what can you bring to a team right now? I do still want to play in the league. And I think I can provide a team with a defensive presence, leadership, intelligence on the defensive end, also helping the younger guys and developing and guiding them to the right direction.

So I believe I can really help a team win, rebound, do all the stuff that, you know, which has made me an awesome player. I would love to do those for a team. What do you think is the reason, like right now, that teams aren't bringing in, like, vet vets to help the next generation? I think that, shoot, there's been so much that has happened. In my situation, I know I've done some things that have kind of, you know, been a little with probably a GM in the team. Like, I don't know if we want to get Dwight.

You know, he's had trouble here and there sometimes. So I believe that teams do need vets in certain situations. But, you know, I can understand why they may feel, teams may feel like they shouldn't go down with having a lot of vets anymore. Is it public perception when it comes down to reputation, resume, how people look at you from the social media side? Because XYZ put a blog out here. They're saying this, they're saying that.

I mean, I know a lot about you as a player, you as a person, and I went through a lot of scrutiny as far as off the court shit. So are you feeling that edge of the perception sword when you're trying to get back in the league and have certain conversations? They're not really giving you real answers. They're giving you the runaround. They don't really give you the real answers about what's really going on. Yeah, I've been trying to figure out why, for real. What have I done? I still should be playing.

I feel like I can help a lot of teams. When you don't have these opportunities to play and stuff like that I just been really training and sitting down trying to figure out you know what what did I do you know I just be questioning so much and then I just be thinking well is it I'm just 37 years old it's because I'm older you know but I'm like nah it can't be that um but you know it's been tough man for real it's been it's been it's been like a mental warfare you know I'm saying because it's like I know I could play and I know a team doesn't need me to be the Dwight Howard of old you know and all that stuff uh but just to have that opportunity you You know, I'm seeing so many guys get opportunities,

and it's like, man, I know I could get out there and really help certain teams get over the hump in certain areas. So, Dwight, as you look around the league, which teams do you think could use your services the most? Well, Golden State. I think it would be a great team. With me being a dynamic roller on the offensive end, playing with somebody like Chris Paul, Steph Curry, the great passes that they have on the team,

and then on the defensive end when they're playing against the bigger guys and stuff like that. Just being able to be a body, be a presence in the paint on the defensive end. Might not be able to jump as high as I did when I was 25, but I still understand the game. The defense that I played wasn't just about my athleticism and jumping up and down. It was my intelligence. And over the years, I've picked up just more tricks

on the trade. So I feel like that's a great team. And then Memphis with the openings that they have, being able to mentor somebody like Jared Jackson, him being a defensive presence on their team, blocking shots and stuff like that.

And also, you have D. Rose down there. So you got two guys that have been in the spotlight, know what it takes to win, being able to lead a young team. Who's, like, Bucks, right? Bucks in the playoffs, right? Like, when you talk about, like when you talk about being a backup, you know, Bucs, Suns, and Boston. Mm-hmm.

Right, having someone that can come out and if it decides the game goes physical, you have someone that can actually present that. Philly too. Him and Embiid. Yeah, but Philly probably won't be there. Philly ain't going to make it. Yeah, Philly ain't going to make it.

How about those three teams? Suns, Bucks, Boston. I do like those three. I mean, for real, for me, any team where I could show, where I could just get out there and just show that I still belong, you know. I'm not trying to do nothing crazy. I just want to play. You know, in my career, I'm on the right note.

I love playing in Taiwan. I thought it was great playing overseas and stuff like that. On the fan base, the fans was crazy. I got a chance to, you know, play point guard again, you know, do all the stuff, you know, do all the things that I did when I was younger, shoot threes and all that stuff and have a good time and be celebrated. But I want to come back and win, man. It's like itching. It's that itch to come back, dominate, um, and just go out, go out,

go out with a bang, go out on top. All right. Yo, I got a question. I'm going to take it back. I'm going to take it back to high school AAU days with you. So your Atlanta Celtics team, right, with Josh Smith. Yeah. How would that, do you think that team had enough talent to beat Greg Oden's Indy speech team with Mike Conley, Deron Cook, and Eric Gordon. What do you mean? What do you mean? I told you.

And who's the better big man in high school, you or Greg Oden? There's no way. Me or Greg Oden? Yeah, you or Greg Oden. There's no way. I love Greg Oden, but me in high school was different. Different. For sure. I'm sorry. Yeah, you're a great golden. Oh, I love Greg Odom, but me a high school was different their friends I

Was no, there's no way I was doing everything in high school and I had a motor and everything, you know So now we had the best team and out of me and Greg Odom. No, I think I'm destroyed in high school I don't know. I mean my SC SCA team, 38-0, man. You know me at that one. You know, I probably would have tried you coming down the lane, you know? Yeah. You see, we had Josh. Yep.

Randolph. Yep. Me, Dewayne Wade, Javaris Morse. Randolph Morse. Randolph Morse. Javaris Clinton. Yep, he was running the one. Yeah, he was running the one.

Yeah. We had a big squad, he was running the one. Yeah, he was running the one. We had a big squad. I was playing the four. And me and Josh at the four and three. That's 6'10", 6'10", and then 6'11", 7 feet. You ain't getting no beat. It was different. No, I'm not going to front me. I got a chance to witness that.

I was in eighth grade. I flew to Vegas. And I was playing in the Adidas tournament. I was just like, I don't know who them boys are, but they all going league. That goes back to what we were saying. That is AAU. Yeah, yeah. That is AAU.

That's an AAU team. That was AAU to me. Like, them early 2000s with Dwight Howard, Marvin Williams, playing with Seattle. Like, them guys, man, the NBA. That's what I'm saying. NBA. I played C. I was C division.

Like, my team was, I wasn't A. I wasn't, like, pump A. I was pump C. Right. Right? Trying to get the pump, trying to get the A. So, I wouldn't have played against unless we got out of the first round of the Vegas. I mean, I'm talking about, like, standing about, like, I'm talking about, like,

standing room only, though. Yeah. Like, you had to get there two hours. Like, people were going to high school AAU games more than NBA games. We didn't care.

Well, we seen them, Bob Gibbons, Atlanta Celtics, Bob Gibbons, Dwight, Josh, and Randolph. Bro. Forget about it. Like, I've never seen anything like it. What's your diet been like?

Like, you know. Oh, man. Because you still, I mean, like, you still look ripped. Forget about it. I've never seen anything like it. What's your diet been like? Oh, man. Because you still look ripped. Well, my diet, I usually, during the summer, I started doing a juice diet. Usually at the beginning of the summer, I just straight juicing, trying to clear out all the inflammation in my body and stuff like that, lose some weight. And then when it get closer to clear out all the inflammation in my body and stuff like that, lose some weight. And then when it get closer to the season, the summertime, you know, the closer the season in wintertime, I try to bulk up. So I stopped just having the juices in one meal a day and go to

having at least four to five meals a day, a good three hours of workouts, and then recovery. Try to have one of these, one, two cheat meals a week. But other than that, it's just strictly fruits, vegetables, no steaks and stuff like that, some chicken, here and there, some fish, and I just stick with that. It's been working. I wish I could go back to McDonald's. Yeah. See, like, okay. So like just something like that, right? Like if I'm, if I'm a coach

owner, GM, and I'm looking for someone to be a veteran, soon as you walk in at 37, I can look, I can look at your body and say, whatever he's doing, I need that to be passed on to everyone else. Yep, yep, yep. Right, because, you know, just the visual, I get to see, okay, so he's taking care of himself, so that means, like... Discipline. He's disciplined.

And that's what I need to show my young. Like, I will have you in with Zion, so Zion can really see it every single day and you can help him every single day. The veteran minimum is an investment. I need to use this veteran aid, man. I'm bringing you in and I need you to micromanage to, you know Zion and trying to help him understand What you do on it every day to get ready for the game to get ready for? The summer what you're doing in the summer because for the most part like when we came in the league we didn't know Right. We don't know. We're just watching whatever another vet is doing. Yeah. Yeah, that's I mean

Yeah, I mean I didn't know what I was doing at 18. You know, here it is. I'm 18 years old. I'm just coming into the league. I'm like, who do I, you know, really, how do I do this? And my first year, I just remember playing against, who was it? What's the short arm? Big man.

Kevin Willis. T-Rex. T-Rex.is. T-Rex. T-Rex. I got ready to try to box him out. He did a little chicken wing on me. And I couldn't move my arm. I'm like, get off me. And he's like, no, young fella, you're playing

against some grown men. And I was like, I gotta get in the gym. I gotta start working out. I gotta start eating right. And from then on, I was like, nobody's pushing me around no more. So it took me, it took some experience of going through playing against guys like Kevin Willis, Alonzo Mourning, super strong guys. And I'm like, man, Jermaine O'Neal, all these guys are strong and physical then going against the pistons back then and they had like five six big men at max zeal uh uh who was it uh ben wallace rashid wallace uh man uh antonio mcdice antonio mcdice i'm sorry there's just so many guys it was just like i gotta get

in his weight room i gotta get right and once I started doing that it's like I couldn't stop so I gotta keep getting stronger keep getting better. So Dwight you were an elite defender during your time in the league and a lot of people attribute that to your physical gifts but how much of your dominance on the defensive side on the ball was brains versus braun it was a little bit of both um when i was younger i thought that my athleticism would you know make me get over the top but playing against the best athletes in the world i really had to sit down and study a lot of guys so my first year in the league i had like a little black book and i used to write every player that I played against, even the guards, you know, their tendencies and stuff like that. So I could really learn how they play. And then after that, I was able to pick up so easy on guys from just watching them walk into the gym.

I knew the way that they walk, that they move a certain type of way. I knew playing against somebody like KG, he's big on turning over his right shoulder for his face and stuff like that. I really just started studying different players, and that's what kind of helped me become better mentally. So I think that mine was a lot mental. The physical part was just a gift for me, but it was more mental. I got another question for you. You won a championship.

Your legacy has always been exactly what it was going to be, man, a Hall of Fame type of resume. What's stopping you from retiring after solidifying something that a lot of people work hard for as far as legacy is to solidify with a ring, a championship. So some say it was the hardest championship, but I feel like your presence on that team, they don't win without you, period. So I feel like you trying to get back in the league is one thing but your resume speaks for itself so it's almost like it's a bonus for you to to be on one of these teams at this point

of your career but it's not something that you really need and i understand you do want to just keep playing because you love it um but as far as your career and your legacy what do you think this this does for you if you don't get to close this chapter the way you want? I think it'll just be something on my mental, you know. Just not being able to complete how I wanted to really complete, even though I've done so much, won championships, defensive player of the year,

playing 19 years in the NBA, it's just for my mental sake, it's like, man, you still have more in the tank. Why don't you just, you know, stop so soon? I don't want to ever be in that position. So I think that's probably the biggest reason why, just because I've been playing this forever. You know, so it's like, man, since three years old, how do I just walk away?

Is it time? Is it really time? Or, you know, do I have some more in the tank? So you're really not tripping because you really know what you've done with your career. It's just you in your head thinking you need to close the chapter. I want to win. I want to go out winning. You want to win some more rings? I do. I do. I feel like I got some more years in me. I feel like a lot of things that have

been put out there in the media about my character as far as a player and stuff like that, I do want to clean that up as best way as I can. I don't think people understand how coming into the league at 18, how difficult that is. Being 18, coming from a real small school, your whole life is put out there for the world to see all your mistakes Good the bad and ugly stuff like that. So yeah, yeah I'm much more mature in a different place than I've ever been and that also comes with time as you get older and experience Yeah, I got I got one, um, so your experience in LA, right. When you first came, um, you know, I think the pressure of playing in LA, um, you know, a lot of people didn't know

that you were hurt and people were like bashing you a lot and not really giving you your respect. And, um, you know, because of the situation, um, can you talk about like the pressure it was playing in LA that time? Um, and just, you how... With Kobe and everybody? Yeah, yeah, with Kobe and everybody. And, like, you know, I feel like it was unfair, you know, because I know your resume in Orlando and what it speaks, and it was, you know, you playing with a shoulder injury, I think

your foot, too, so... Back? You know, your back and stuff, so... You know, just talking about the unfair... You know, just, I feel like it was unfair. You know, and I feel like... It was, you know, and I feel like, you know. It was, but I kind of put that on myself by actually stepping out there and playing. OK. So when you get out there on the court, it's nobody going to be, they're not wanting to hear excuses.

They want to, they want to see results. And when you're playing with the Lakers, that's what, that's what the fans and everybody want to see. And, you know, I felt like that year after, you know, how the Magic season ended, you know, all the trade rumors and things like that, I was like, man, I got to get back out there and play. And I know I had just came back off the back surgery, which I was supposed to sit out the whole season. And I came back in four months.

And then I ended up tearing my labrum instead of having surgery on it I just kept playing through it and you know it just the perception that everybody was getting you know I never really spoke on it I kind of just let everything slide through the wayside and try to play through it yeah um and I probably think that that was my biggest mistake and then also just to hold me and kobe peace you know we were just in we were in two totally different places in our career at that point and you know i spent a lot of time thinking about it at home like dang like did i stop playing with kobe too soon like well like how what was I thinking for real you know

I'm saying like this Kobe did I really sit back and make an emotional decision when leaving uh when I was with the Lakers are a business decision you know like what was going through my mind at the time and stuff like that and I'm like dang I was with Kobe Bryant this could look really crazy to a lot of people you know I'm saying that I played with one of the greatest to ever play and I decided to you know leave and stuff like that they could probably think that the pressure wasn't it was too much pressure um I couldn't handle playing with Kobe all that stuff But, you know, I've looked back on it now. A lot of my emotions, I was driven by doing certain things in that way and not totally, I would say, thinking business.

And business with basketball, especially with, again, Kobe Bryant. You know what I'm saying? So that's one of the experiences that I had to learn from, the life lessons. Think about it every day. So, yeah, that was a tough, tough, tough time playing in L.A., but I loved it. I loved it. That's why I went back. Do you think that time actually, like, do you think it hurt your future I think it could I think it could

have caused some type of like routine said hey this like what's the could is he really committed you know I'm saying like what is he doing like he this is Kobe Bryant you know I'm saying like he is he doing like he this is Kobe Bryant you know I'm saying like he's leaving the Lakers the leg this all this stuff like you know it could be it could have been taken you know so crazy like he's immature all this that and the third you know and I could see as I'm older you know certain ways and certain things that I could have said and ways I could have gotten better at, you know, those different situations. Hey, one last thing. Okay. Top 75, right? Yes. I'm just going to ask it. We know who's in there, right? and I've always said like he's way he's better

than this player and I'm gonna say it your resume and what you did are you better than Patrick Ewing yes okay I mean you know and I love Pat he was my coach I know he was a coach I I was there too I. I love him. But there's no way, yes. No way. Not even close. Not even close. It's not even a close resume. Like, people think it's crazy.

But when you look at the resume itself, the resume speaks for itself. If I take all big man's names off, right, if you take your name off all your accolades so no one knows who's who, right, they will pick your stats thinking you're Patrick Ewing. This must be Patrick Ewing stats, three-time block champ or five-time rebounding champ and do all that. And it's kind of weird that we're biased to stats because of our emotional opinions, right? And I I just you know, I know you can't take away the past because It's the past so you got a grandfather it in but you know when you're talking about top 75 you you really have to start Like really dialing it in and stop being biased and just be fair

Yeah, I think you know what? I think when we was talking about why I want to play some more too, I think that's a part of it too. And I know that could be an emotional reaction to it, but it's like top 75. I done played 19 years. I done did so much,

accumulated so many stats, records and things like that. and it was like not being on it was like yeah slap in the face like yeah no you can't make it in here and i'm like dang like i did so much for the game you know i'm saying so it kind of that mental space like i'm like dang what it was messed up now but i want to make a big scene out of it and make it seem like I was the old Dwight with emotional response and stuff like that. You know, it's just like I got to take it on the chin and keep finding a way to prove myself. And maybe that's not the right way, but I guess not for making it. That's what had me, my mind set on.

I'll say this, the white as Hoopers Hoopers know where top who the top 75 is and who belong when we start looking at you know, who's in who's out? So for us, we don't we don't question what you do, bro So it's really like who you looking at for validation because if you're looking for van validation or ESPN Journalist validation man, you're gonna be looking for that shit forever. No, fuck that. I want that jacket. I mean, a nigga wants a jacket. They're going to sign a jacket.

I want a jacket. Right? The players can say whatever they want, but they don't get to give me that jacket. But, hey, you said you can go make a jacket, right? You can go make a jacket, right? I'm going to go make my own jacket. Like if you're the NBA, right, and you're sitting here,

you put in a few players that's in this same generation that you put them in on a curve right right like anthony davis you know dame um is it kawaii yeah you put them in on a curve right what their their their future is going to be well you don't have to put them in at it at all at this point because their career is not done. Right. When we do top 100, bam, bam, we know who the first people in. But you're sitting here hurting other players because you already put them in before their careers is even done. Yeah. Right. And when you're talking about their careers at that moment, like some of them even have 9,000 points yet.

But they're already on the top 75. Right. It's like, ah. Right. yet, but they're already on the top 75. It's like, ah. DeMar DeRozan had more points than four players on that group, but he's not even considered. It's just things that it just doesn't make sense. Forget the curve just in real time. I know if I'm Anthony Davis, I know I'm going to be on top 100 when I'm done, so there's no... No question. There's no question about it.

I just think that was the unfair part of it. Well, Dwight, we appreciate you taking the time to pull up to Gil's Arena. We hope to see you back on the court soon. Yes, sir. Thank you, man. Good seeing y'all boys, man. I'm coming down to the farm, man. I want to see cows, donkeys, all that. Come on down, man.

Cook your own chicken. Hey, I needed the Dwight Howard man, I needed the white Howard Jersey man I got you. What's he? Atlanta Celtics nigga you gotta let you got the rare don't I need to rare boys Yes Was craziest I thought you was coming today I had a whole package for you There you do

You got it right over there Yeah I thought you was coming today I thought you was coming My bad But no I'll send it for sure Yeah I'll get it to you I'm still stuck With a lot of the old gear

Man I need some new gear To rock No no I got you No I got you I got you Yeah yeah Say no more Say no more

I got you Get him Get him Put the press on him Put the press on him Appreciate you Dw Dwight. All right. All right, fam. Thank y'all, man.

Appreciate it, Gil. Brandon, you can just give me that tough crowd, and I'll make sure Dwight gets it. Okay. All right. I'll get it to him. Y'all know he got booed averaging 17 and 12. Yes, bro. Yes.

Booed. Yes. And made the All-Star. So him and Kobe made the All-Star, and it was booing him and not Steve Francis or Paul Gasol Steve and Steve Nash Steve Nash. Yep Wow. Yes, bro. Yes, bro Your team got to do better So, hey we talked about

Dwight verse Patrick Ewing obviously the white said he thinks he had a better creator Patrick Ewing. Obviously, Dwight said he thinks he had a better career than Patrick Ewing. We got the numbers. So let's just go to the shit that matters. All-NBA first team, Patrick Ewing made it one time. Dwight made it five. All-NBA teams, Patrick's got seven. Dwight's got eight. All-defensive first team, Dwight got four.

Patrick Ewing has zero. All-defensive teams total, Patrick Ewing's got three. Dwight has five. Dwight, three defensive player of the year. Patrick Ewing has zero. All defensive teams total, Patrick Ewing's got three, Dwight has five. Dwight, three defensive player of the year, Patrick Ewing's zero. Five rebounding titles, Patrick Ewing's zero. Two block titles, zero.

But Patrick Ewing was rookie of the year, if that means anything to you guys. It means something. I mean, rookie of the year is rookie of the year. Who beat him out in rookie of the year? Dwight? Yeah. What year was that? He was number one pick that year. What of the year, man. Who beat him out in rookie of the year? Dwight. Yeah. Oh, what year was that?

He was number one pick that year. What happened? Yeah, who won that? It wouldn't have been the Okafor. Let's go back down memory lane. No, it was Okafor. It was Okafor, Charlotte. It was Okafor?

Bobcats. He was hooping that year, but he wasn't like hooping like that, though. So that's why he was on the USA team. Yep. OK, OK. It was Okafor. So that's why he made that 2004 USA team yep okay it was a so that's why he made that 2004 he had won the championship before though that you can't

win a championship yeah shout out Oka for 14 and 11 to 12 and 10 their rookie years okay 11 oh yeah the white had Steve Francis and then here okay yeah you talked about quick before we move on we talked about that 2020 bubble championship what he was able to do to Joker in that Western Conference Finals. Yeah, man, like, you know, like sometimes I know we don't consider what players do in and you know in series and That series alone as they needed him for that series, right? They might not have needed him first round second. They needed him for that series and right? They might not have needed him. First round, second, they needed him for that series and that series alone, right?

And sometimes when, you know, if he wasn't mentally prepared, if he wasn't mentally prepared, and he... they wouldn't have won that championship because he wouldn't have been mentally prepared to be used against

Jokic. But the fact that he understood that round by round, they're going to need me here, and he got used there and didn't get used in the championship. And he's like, I did my job. I got us here. If you guys don't need me anymore, cool. But y'all needed me then. You didn't need him.

Now you need him. Let's swap. But I y'all needed me then you didn't need him now. You need him. That's what anytime You got a 33 year old the white Howard coming off the bench for your team It's special at that at that size at that strength that speed you get Neutralizing like Joker like that, bro That's why I look at the Lakers championship for that particular one and it being in the bubble if it's not in the bubble we're going to be able to analyze that team differently in that championship because you got Dwight Howard, JaVale McGee, and Anthony Davis is on in your your front line like this is your this is this is who this is who's stopping everybody it's like how do you that's a crazy line right so I'm like yo Dwight being being the centerpiece of the defensive anchor

and coming off the bench, it's like, yo, that's different. Hey, I did. I remember I did hit LeBron. I was like, yeah, since y'all going to win the championship anyway, try this lineup. And I had him at the one. Kuzma was on that team, right? Kuzma was on that team.

I said, Kuzma at the two, JaVale at the three, Dwight at the four, and the Davies at the five. And I said, just put all seven footers out there. And he just line up, I was like, that's what I do on 2K. That's what I do on 2K. I do that shit on 2K. For sure. It's not like they press full of cores or shit.

Man. Well, let's keep this thing moving. So Dwight still trying to keep his NBA career alive. Another player recently decided to chunk the deuces. After 19 seasons in the league, Andre Iguodala is hanging him up. Iggy finished his career as a four-time champ, all with the Warriors, including a much-deserved 2015 Finals MVP, two-time All-Defense, one-time All-Star. We had him on the couch this summer, and he said his business interests were consuming a lot of his time, so this decision isn't too surprising.

But we gotta give Iggy the flowers. A lot of people remember the old Iggy, but they don't remember this Iggy. Oh, this man was a big yee. But we got to give Iggy the flowers a lot of people remember the old Iggy, but they don't remember this Iggy. Oh This man was a big yee Bear down. Let me tell you something Let me tell you something Did you see that yowl? See that's what I did to Dwight Howard in high school Let me tell you something that's tough. Let me tell you something. That's tough. That's tough. Let me tell you something. Iggy, tremendous career.

Oh. Yo, where's the line from him in AI? Let me tell you something. Bam. You with that dude? I got Iguodala, man. I want Andre Iguodala. Oh yeah, we definitely-

Ah, Bron gets it. Oh yeah, we could've did without that one. We could've did without that highlight. He said we could've did without that highlight. Ah, time me. No it. Oh, yeah, we could have did it without that one. We could have did it without that highlight. He said we could have did it without that highlight. Ah, time me. Oh! Come here, man. Show the best Iggy highlight.

We're going to show it. Ah, come here. That 2016 block. No, we're not going to show that. Ah, behind the back. Ski, ski. Oh, my lordy. Come on, Gerald.

Relax. No, a lot from him and AI. Gerald, relax, man. Ooh. Let me put y'all in the winning position right here. Thank you. We didn't show the LeBron block. That's a part of history.

He helped cement LeBron's legacy. Relax, man. We talked about Iguodala. Andre Iguodala. That is positive. It's a part of life. There's process. We're the young and say there's steps.

Now, so, you know, we look at all Iggy, but what was young Iggy like in the league? Watch your head. You know, I don't think anybody realized, because I think it was AI, and then when AI left, everybody was, oh, we off that. And then realized he had to carry the torch for a little bit. You know what I mean? And what he did is like like, he was, like, he was Scottie Pippen when Jordan left,

but nobody gave him the credit for it, right? You know, Scottie got his credit because it's like, I'm holding up, you know, the bulls until Jordan get back. I don't think they gave him the credit, but, you know, he was phenomenal at what he did. He's better than Kawhi Leonard to me. Ooh.

Wait, can you repeat that? Andre Iguodala's better than Kawhi Leonard to me. No, I'm not going to go that far. Wait, wait, wait. I love Iggy, though. Yeah, put it together. I knew you was going to put it together because you've got to put it together. Young Iggy.

No, I love Iggy. We're talking about championships. We're talking about two-way defender. We're talking about being able to hit a jump shot, a middie, and being way more athletic, guarding way more twos, hitting game-winning shots. You know, Cuadrado's a two-time finals MVP. What is that?

Hey, but, like, Iggy's one-time. Iggy's a one-time. It's what? A real one. What's a real one? One-time. It's a real one? What's one time? There's one is there's a real one-time

finals MVP the other one was This one-on-one what I'm saying that the Spurs one. What what what you mean? 23 wait this 20 will count or the the Raptors window he know huh Brandon let it be no use me I love it I won't eat. We got he got I love it. We got credit. Let's okay. He got credit for stopping LeBron James I'm 23 with Tim Duncan. Oh, no I've been LeBron James who averaged 28 shot 50% from the field 53% from the three-point line Well, we won he didn't do nothing.

Well, we got excellent defense, Gil. Yeah, yeah. But they didn't want to give it to who? They didn't want to give it to Tony Parker or Ginobili, so they gave it to the guy that nobody was guarding. Right, it was like, you know what I mean? So it's not like he was out there dominating. Come on. He didn't dominate.

Every time he checked in, they was like, damn. Every time he checked in, he got his ass busted. Every time he checked in they was like damn Every time he checked it. It was like damn here. He got busted here here. Here he come 50% Anybody in LA I'm right three percent a day. When did they give him the range when they get three percent wider rain? When did they give him the the following the following year his third year and I gave it to yeah It came in third year. I got one done.guodala, first three years, he was franchise. He was AI, we played with AI, and it's like this is Iguodala team now. I'm not complaining about the franchise. Who's a better defender from you guys?

Iguodala. 100%, he's more athletic. Who's a better player? Iguodala. Triple-double. I love Iguodala. I love Iguodala and respect him for their 19 years. And they pushed him to the bench. I love you good and respect and they push them to and they push like to the back roll They push them to the bench and made him a role player kawaii Leonard

What are you saying? Hold on 1819 you went to Toronto on a one when nobody was up there and then what we seen since I mean shit. I mean, hey y'all called me here. Hold on Y'all straight for me you called me here. This is what I bring. You called me here. Y'all trade for me. You called me here. This is what I bring. Where is that? I brought a championship. Where is that now? I brought a championship to Toronto. How long you been in L.A.? And then I left. How long you been in L.A.? And then I left. How long you been in L.A.? I didn't tell him to go to the Clippers. I'm asking you a question. What? How long

have you been in L.A.? Hold on. Hold on. I mean, if we... Who was more dominant? Year five. Who was more... Who was more dominant their first four years? Eagle Dollar. Eagle Dollar was more dominant? Year five. Who was more dominant their first four years? Iguodala was more dominant. Of course. Yeah.

That's one because... Of course. He was a starter too. He was a starter too, right? Iggy was a starter. Multiple A2 games. Both of them were starter. Like Kawhi basically started after his second year.

He started every game he played. And I'm starting on a championship call. That's how good I am. That's how good I am. That's how good I am. That's how good he is. He didn't make a championship. I mean, he didn't make a... He was an all-star his...

his fifth year. His year five. His year five. Hey, so why have been with the Clippers for five years, bro? What we seen? What we seen in five years? The problem is this. One was a star. He was going into the franchise. The problem is this. One was a star.

He was going into the franchise. The other one was a role player. Yes. And then it just switched. Yes. It's hard because we're going to use... Was Iggy ever the man when he got older? No.

Once he got to 25, 26, he wasn't given the keys to say, all right, you're the main guy. That's when Kawhi got his groove. They're in different places. We're talking about the player, though. We're not talking about the situation. His real attribute offensively is he can shoot the fucking ball.

I don't think people understand how great of a shooter he is. When he pulls up, it's cash money, right? And I don't think people really, like, he's robotic. He has no fluid movement. What he really is is he's a gifted shooter, right? And he just figures out how to get buckets.

Defensively, he has a knack for what he's doing. out how to get buckets. Defensively, he has a knack for what he's doing, but Iggy came up on both. Iggy was a better slasher. It's hard because one went like they did. They both did this.

And they both still was successful. It just went like this. It's a good comparison, though, is it not? It's hard to compare because one became a main guy versus the other one started as a main guy. It's a good comparison. It kind of... Iguodala was more athletic and young. No, not in fact.

Man, he was more athletic. Athletic, natural movement. Yes. Defensively, he was more athletic. Athletic, natural movement. Yes. Defensively, he was... He had to guard you. He had to guard you. He had more tangibles. Like, ah, it's hard.

Kawhi Leonard could... Y'all not watch... No, no, no. He can defend. We're not watching Kawhi Leonard? No, no, no. He can defend. They're just too different.

They're both different. I went in there and took that ring from Ron and I'm early early me We're gonna talk about his defense the series before against Kevin Durant he got his ass whooped Kevin Durant was bopping his ass. You look at the percentage. You look at the percentage. The two dudes he had to stop, 50%. Both of them. It wasn't enough to win.

They were 50%. It wasn't enough to win. Was Bruce still on that team? What I'm saying is, do not tell me, do not sit here and use his defense as like he he dominated defensive He got molly whopped with that first year that no no Round by round that's what you want to go. He was gone. That's what you want to go But I'm saying is the what happened after that and what happened after that? Okay? Nobody wants smoke with kawat after that I'm telling you this after that what happened. How about this quiet?

No, no, I'm about to Take your ass to go to state. Take your ass over here. Oh, so he made niggas leave? No, no, no. He made niggas leave? Stop. Stop. So he made niggas leave?

I don't do that. I do facts. That's facts? I do know it's facts. Facts. If I'm guarding you and you gave me 30, 32 a game, 50 from the field, 50 from three, and then the papers is going around saying, man, you stopped Brandon Jennings.

What is your face? We lost. No, stop. What is your face? You want me like this? We lost. You're going to say this. He was barbecue chicken.

I want him to guard me every game. Yeah, your team is better than mine, but you defensively barbecue chicken. So what has happened? What has happened? That's what we're going to be doing? What has happened? When you see me, what you going to be doing? Come on. What you going to be doing? What you doing, B?

Come on, B. What you going to be doing? You going to be like this. That's what you got me? Hey, man. This is you. That's what I'm saying. Okay, but what happened after that though one year one year The fit but I mean what happened after that what happened after that after kawaii won his that at 23 what happened after that? Everybody was ducking smoke from quad and still I mean, but I'm feeling it

I'm not question every time they see that call every see they see that hand they get scared So any from Calie's come on Seriously, I defensively know that no ray from to be as great as these guys are be cool Great of these guys are it He is not supposed to stop Kevin Durant and LeBron. He just was just make it harder, right? Right, those are those are eight six matchups per year And what is his numbers with them when he's doing it his numbers is right there

Yeah, so they can't they can't 15 don't even do that. Yeah, we're 15 against. Oh, man. We can find hold on I'm gonna bring up some matchups with Kawhi Leonard versus Now no now no now no we go we talk about when he got after the 23 after he won it won and let's go from I was talking about that year right there. I'm just talking about the Toronto year. What about just the Toronto year? Oh, listen, they don't want that. No, no, no.

They don't want that. They don't want that. When he, she. They don't want that. When Tim, when he became the man and we gave him the ball. Shoulders moving and shit. He did what he did. Like I'm saying after that.

When we gave him the rings and say are. Yeah, do you yes? He did his thing now that we're not taking that from him. So we put a poll up. So who's better Iggy Kawhi? 71% said Kawhi Thank you. I don't know nothing about basketball That was just hard because you would have had to put them, you would have had to put them same time, same, right? Both of them at this age and let's see what their... Quite higher peak. Yeah, he does.

He says that he higher peak. But let's talk about Andre Iguodala, what we're here to do today. This quickly devolved to a quiet little conversation. Quiet and mind his business, trying to be a fun guy. What is Andre Iguodala's legacy? His legacy is winning. Like, without a ring, just winning.

Just sacrificing and understanding winning, what winning is. Like, you know, even when Lou Williams was getting into his own and that he sacrificed himself. Like, okay, he's a better scorer than me. You know, he can carry this. I'll be his, you know, Robin. Right? He understood that early.

Right? Understanding that, you know, he's a Robin. Let me go. I mean, he's Batman. Let me go ahead and let him do his thing now. And I just think, you know, that it takes certain type of mentalities to really, you know, set aside their ego for the betterment of the team. You know, even with, you know, the championship where he decided to come off the bench for Barnes, right, and saying, you know, for the betterment of this team, for the second unit,

let's do this. Right? So. I mean, I think Hall of Fame. I think just, I mean, I think just 19 years, NBA champion, finals MVP, and like you said, like taking different roles, always being a vet that can be counted on. And he just did his job for 19 years. I mean, I think just his role of being a vet

and what it takes to last as long in the league. Champion. You know, Gil tried to say winning without saying rings. I think that's just a crazy thing to say in a sentence. But yeah, rings, winning, and his pedigree as a player. You don't need rings to be a winner. You don't need rings to be a winner.

But that's what you get when you win. If you're lucky. No, no, no. That's just what happens when you win, you get a ring. So that's what we play. We play to win. Half the winners,

half the people who got rings are losers. Yeah, yeah, but they won, so they got rings. Yeah, but they're not play. We play to win. Half the winners, half the people who got rings are losers. Yeah, yeah, but they won, so they got rings. Yeah, but they're not winners. But they got rings. But a ring doesn't make you a winner. Yeah, it does. It means you won.

No, that means you was on a team that won. Yeah, and you won. That's what it's about. When you say win, the W, Westside winning. We winners over here. Yeah, come on. Winner is you, your approach to the game, your approach to your everyday, you know, mentality. I get it, the regiment, the routine, the mentality.

I get it. But Andre Iguodala, if he doesn't win. He's a winner. If he doesn't, it doesn't mean that he's not a winner. But his legacy, as far as his legacy goes, what the winning does for his legacy is it amplifies it because you took your team to the championship and you won rings so your career when we analyze it and if you don't have those things you're just an athletic defender dual player that could slash and da da da da da you don't got the numbers you don't got the all these other things but when you add that those rings to it, his leadership, it amplifies his legacy. So,

damn. So, if he went 19 seasons and didn't win a ring, he wouldn't be known as a winner? No, he wouldn't be known as a Hall of Fame candidate. That's just like Ginobili and Tony Parker being Hall of Fame candidates. Gil had an argument like they're Green Jacket Hall of Famers, not Gold Jacket Hall of Famers. So, Andre would be a Green Jacket Hall of Fame candidates, Gil had an argument like they're green jacket Hall of Famers,

not gold jacket Hall of Famers. So Andre would be a green jacket Hall of Famer. Does Jamal Crawford play 20 years? Does his game, should his game be in the Hall of Fame? I believe so. Should his game be in the Hall of Fame? Yeah, like what he's... So how about this?

Before Ray Allen... He had five different teams where he scored 50. And he was six man of the year. Before Ray Allen won that championship... Three times, right? Three times. Before Ray Allen won the championship, was he considered a Hall of Famer? Yes.

Why? You talking about the Boston? Before he won his championship in Boston, he was a Hall of Famer? He was going to be considered one. First ballot? I don't think so. First ballot, not yet. But remember though, remember what he was shooting for.

He was going to be the number one three-point shooter of all time passing Reggie Miller. That's what he was going for at that time. I'm just saying, because without the championships, you're saying if he didn't win the championships, he wouldn't... He would just be Glenn Rice in them. So what about Reggie Miller? He'd be Reggie... I mean, Reggie Miller, same thing. He didn't win no chips.

Reggie shot that bitch, and he had criteria to become a Hall of Famer. He is a Hall of Famer. So will anybody ever question Reggie Miller not being a winner What do you mean question everyone? They won a championship. It don't matter but well anybody not him would anybody say he's a loser He done. He's a loser. No, I don't know. I don't know what you terminology you gonna use but when you don't win So let's get to this next conversation cuz it's all- Are you a winner? I won. I didn't win in NBA, no.

So you was a loser in NBA? Yes. Okay. 100%. I just want to know. 100%. All right. And just to put a button on this Iggy conversation, the Warriors do plan to retire

as number nine jersey at some point. For real? Let's talk about- That's dope. Oh, no. That's dope. Let's talk about- For sure. I got the smoke now. Hold up, homie. So, Link, let's talk. Oh, no. That's dope. Let's talk about... For sure. I got the smoke now. Hold up, homie.

So, wait. That's tough. Here we go. Here we go. I knew it. He gonna circle back about it. I did. You don't know how to use it.

So, you went from, in college, a winner attitude to going in the NBA to become a loser attitude. No, I didn't become a loser attitude. I was on a losing team in a losing organization who had a losing attitude. Which makes you a loser. Well, I was I was contributing to the losing. By association. Yes. Okay, so you went from being a winner to a loser? Yes. Okay. Listen, so you just so you're just gonna stand on me just calling you a loser. See I want you to contradict yourself. No, I'm not. Because you know, it's levels of play Gil. Because you know, it of play because you know level to play as you know I won at the highest level of collegiate basketball and I won as a champion I left off as a champion so I came to a new level

Uh-huh and the competition where I played on a team that did not win And all about all the players in that organization did not win we all lost so you was amateur When you when you was a champion and your mentality was champion and you were a winner, was amateur. When you became to the pros, it wasn't a champion. I still had a championship mentality, but it doesn't- Both of you were still a winner. No, no.

You're just in a bad situation. It says mentality. I said I was championship mentality, but if I'm not winning, I'm losing, which means that I haven't won, I'm a loser. So you're a loser? Yes. Okay. That won, I'm a loser. So you're a loser? Yes. That's all I'm asking. Just like when you got to a certain level, to highest of the highest, right, you wasn't

a winner anymore. You were just... Everybody who didn't win one of them championship rings, you know what you call them? Losers. Losers. Can Joe read the pull quote? Can I?

Yeah. Can I? Thank you. Thank you for that. Losers. Losers. Did Joe read the pool quote? Can I? Yeah. Can I? Thank you. Thank you for that. Speaking of legacy, Jordan Poole did an interview with the ringers, Logan Murdoch,

offered some thoughts on his future with the Wizards and playing pressure-free basketball. Here's the quote. Playing the game I love at the highest level, my family is taken care of, my basketball legacy

is taken care of with the ring. This is probably the first time in my life I'll play basketball with no pressure. First time of his life? Did he have pressure when he won a championship? Yeah. Yeah. The pressure was on the six man.

Okay. Go. It's you. Who agrees with Jordan Poole? Who disagrees? And we'll start. I agree. Okay, so why do you agree with Jordan Poole Jordan book shit because the hard part is out of the way Usually, you know, all the players are fighting there to tell it their careers try to win a chip to solidify their legacies We see it all the time Jordan pool got it out of the way. So now he just go who? He just go who right? So now when he hoops

If he doesn't say he don't win another championship, and he go out to average the whole 39 a game. You remember what Gil said, 39 a game, no chips. He was good with that. Right? He was good with that. And I was good with the Jordan Poole with the championship average of 20 off the bench. That's the Warriors.

Fair. He didn't ask to go to the Wizards to be the 39 points a game. He was good where he was at. I'm 20 off the bench. I'm winning championships. I'm good. Cool. Jordan is saying, we want to chip me average of 20 off the bench. I mean, the pressure's off me. If I win a couple more, good. We good. We'll put them in the motherfucking trophy case. But ain't no pressure on me to do anything outside of that, but just to go break records and get accomplishments.

I disagree, because the pressure's on. You want to ring with Golden State, but you got so much left in the tank for your career. Being a franchise guy now, being the man of a franchise, I think the pressure is on you. To prove what? To prove that you can run a franchise. I mean, you're the man of a franchise, I think the pressure is on you. To prove what? To prove that you can run a franchise. I mean, you're the man now. Like, you got traded to be a starter, not to be a six man. So you're a six man.

That's the only thing, that's the only pressure is? Is to what? To be the leader of the team? That's it? I think the pressure is that you would win a championship and you should always have that mindset of a champion. So like, he should always be trying to win a champion. Be a champion. He is a champion.

That's what he's saying. As the help. I don't have the pressure of having to go out there and prove for my legacy that I need to be a champion. My legacy is cemented because I'm a champion. All I got to do is prove that my talent is up to par with what they consider my legacy

to be. You're saying if he plays the next 17 years, right, and he don't make it to the playoffs... Or All-Star. All-Star, he's a winner in your mind. He won. What do you mean he's a winner in my mind? He's a winner in the category of winners and losers.

Jordan Poole won championship. Okay, so... Everybody else, zero. 17 years. He can become a loser. He won one year. Not the main guy. He won one year

as a sixth man. Why does he have to be the main guy? And then when he became the main guy, 17 years of just nothing, and he is considered a winner in your book. He won.

Okay, so how about this? So that's okay. Now, let's say someone who is considered a loser. Which is? From year one to year 17, just selfish, losing-ass player. And then he goes onto a team, wins the championship. He's a winner Do what would you call it? What do you want to call him fucking loser? You want to call you want to call you want to call him?

You want to call him a loser with a ring? You're a loser with a ring. So winning a ring doesn't mean anything to you So winning a game so winning a game does no no no winning a game doesn't you know no no no winning a game doesn't mean anything to you depending on a game period winning period means nothing to you okay how many games do we expect when we to win this is yeah 30 30 40 30 30 games right 30 something so if he wins 30 games that's what we expected. Now if he goes out there and play his heart out, every game, every game, right? And he wins 15, is he considered a loser?

Did he win the championship, man? No. This is just so crazy. So he's saying you can take the most selfish man his whole career put him on a team They win a championship and now because he has a ring that somehow makes him With this reminds this is like when rappers Who talk about killing all day? Right they talk about killing all day and doing all this shoot him up shit

And then they get in trouble and go into court with suits and glasses. Like, right? The suits and glasses don't make you civil. The ring doesn't make you a winner. You have to be a winner. You have to wake up every day thinking about

winning. Even when you're not winning, it's supposed to be in your blood. If I lose a game and the game that I lost, right? It hurts me to the point where I'm in the gym, I'm watching film, I'm this, I'm doing. That would make you a winner.

It makes you a winner. How does it make you a winner if you don't win? All that shit you just said. Why does a win, if you are... It's AAU. The number one, two, three, four, five best player in the country is on the same team. Right?

And you're playing against a regular team. And then the guy on the other team is diving on the floor, taking charges. He's trying to beat this NBA talent. Right? He has to play every possession hard while you guys are fucking around, throwing it off the ball, half your shoes ain't tied.

Yeah, you guys win the game, but all you guys are some fucking losers compared to this guy. If we gave him the same talent you guys are, he will murder you guys because you guys have so much talent that you're not taking the game seriously. Doesn't make you a winner

because the outcome finishes well. Winner is the attitude. The winning is the attitude. The work ethic is the winning. Waking up every day not knowing what the goal is, that's winning. You can't tell me someone was out working Michael Jordan before he won a championship. Kobe's mindset at 18 was winning.

Without a championship was a winner attitude. And what happened along the way? What did they do? They ended up winning a championship. They ended up winning. That solidified their mentality. It solidified their mentality, their work ethic. All of those things were then maximized and actually appreciated

because we put in the work to win the championship. We. Him. Him, them, they, whoever you were, what pronoun you want to use. Listen, winning is about actually result, the actual results results when you can actually show something for your winning all that mentality work our work I'm diving on loose balls and you come up short. So you know when you come up short, you know what that means? So you don't think getting paid is Winning like like your reward for getting paid and like all-stars and all that you don't't think that's winning? Not in the game of basketball. We play to win.

It's a competitive sport. I'm going against you. It's me against you. No, you're going us against us. Us against them. Yes. Us against them. If we win, that means you lose. So you think James Harden's a loser? I don't know. I don't know nothing about that. If you don't got no fucking ring, my nigga, from that season, if your team doesn't win the championship at the end of the year, you're going back to the drawing board to try to figure out how to win next year. So Dirk was a loser his whole career until he won that one ring against...

And now he's a winner. Now he's a winner. Jimmy Butler. Has not won yet. But is he a winner or a loser? So he's a loser? Yes, he's a loser, Now he's a winner. Jimmy Butler. Has not won yet. But is he a winner or a loser? So he's a loser? Yes, he's a loser because he hasn't won.

And this is why I don't like- Y'all don't like the terminology of what the obvious things is. These are obvious things. If you don't win, you lose. No. Now what makes- Just because I put a ring- Jimmy Butler has a winning mentality. Okay.

Players have winning mentalities. And losers. But that don't mean you're a winner. Because you haven't won. Does a ring make a wife? Does it? What's a wife? Someone who acts like a wife. A lot of chicks can be married and not be wives.

You got a ring. You're not acting like a wife. Some of y'all can be married and not be wives. You got a ring and you're not acting like a wife. Some of y'all can be married and not be a wife. Yes. Some of y'all can have a ring and not be a winner. A hundred percent. Jesus Christ. You can be married and not be a wife. One million percent.

You can have a ring and not be a champion. No, no, no. You're a champion when you get a ring, bro. And you cannot be a winner with a ring. You won. How did you get a ring, bro. And you cannot be a winner with a ring. You won. How did you get... You can't... How did you get the ring, Gil?

How can a wife... How can you be married but not be a wife? You know you're contradicting yourself. No, I'm not. Because we're talking about two different things. It's the same concept. No, it's not. Same concept.

No, it's not. Not the same concept at all. Same concept. At all. Is it the same concept. No, it's not. Same concept. No, it's not. Not the same concept at all. Same concept. At all. Is it the same concept? No. Yeah. Because marriage is marriage.

It's marriage. A communion between two. Husband and wife is terminology. The ring won. She won. She won. The ultimate goal if wives want to be married. When you get the ring, that's a win.

Yeah. Right? For a woman, yeah. You're saying some of those who have this are not wives. It go if wives want to be married when you get the ring. That's a win. Yeah, right for women You're saying some of those who have this or not wives That means some but they're so married girl somebody that means they're still married girl not wives, but they're still married That means they got the ring right? Mm-hmm. What does that make them? They make some married? Yeah, okay But you said they're not wives. Yeah, which means if a loser gets a ring doesn't make him a winner Yeah, actually they're using the wrong ring finger, but that's neither. I don't care. I'm just telling you

Like like legacy like with Jordan pool, right you're talking about like his legacy is sealed What legacy can I get it? Yeah. What does it mean? Yeah. What does legacy mean? Like, when we talk about, I want my legacy to be remembered, my legacy is stamped, in what? If you look around in history,

how do they treat legends? Right? how do they treat legends? Right? How do they treat legends? Like their legacy. Right? How's the NBA and these owners treating their legacy? So if you want us to sit here and talk about real legacy, it's fake. It's fantasy. How?

It's my family. It's my people. It's my legacy. It's my people. It's my legacy. It's not yours and what you think legacy is. Jordan Poole says my legacy with everyone in my family, when they look at me and up to me, they're going to see these things that I did. This is my legacy.

Not for the fans to see it or for anybody who doubts me. He's not looking outside saying, I validate for that how many years have you been in the league? I'm just talking about legacy what does it mean if when you're done everyone forgets about you anyway

no it's not about everybody it's about your son your daughter your family legacy is family what does it do for them? they care more about how you treated them as a father what it does to them is it for the future, for future references. Your kids don't give a fuck about your

rings if you wasn't there as a father? They don't care about what they read. But if you are there as a father, they do care now. They care about you as a father. As a father, if you're there and you're present, your whole legacy is what did my dad do when he was living?

My dad played in the NBA. He was a champion. He did these things I Don't need other people on the outside to judge that my kids gonna do this He's gonna carry on my legacy and it's just like a lot is gonna carry on your legacy because I'm in his life How about all these champions that's not in a kiss we talking about that you move? You're moving to go I ain't got nothing to do with father's family. I don't got nothing to do about leaving your legacy to your family So we talk about Jordan. Oh, how about all the kids we talk about Jordan pool. How about all the kids? From these legacy players that don't know have nothing to do with their legacy They don't want nothing to do with the legacy because it wasn't the real the real winning those people didn't do amen right so

that legacy is meaningless anyway that's therapy talk man i'm talking about jordan pooh i'm talking about jordan pooh i'm talking about jordan pooh man that's a hooper his legacy don't mean shit like the rest of them don't mean shit it means something to him and his family i don't give a fuck what is what but he do he care about him and his family. Legacy. Man, get your money. That's your legacy. Something you can give to your kids. Something you can do for your kids. Them rings and all that. I'm looking at.

When I talk, it's from what I'm looking at in history. So that's what he's saying. I don't have to worry about no ring no more. He said, I don't got to worry about the ring no more. I can go chase the money now. He's doing what you're saying, Gil he's telling you what you're saying girl They're doing what you say and what happens when all the other players do it when LeBron does it? He's trying to keep his stats going on. You don't like that. I don't retire

move around Getting pointless point get out of here. You're just trying to run the score. You already got your chair. He's a champ You got your chance. So he's a champion. You already got your chance. Right? So hey, Jordan Poole, you should retire then. Don't run it up because eventually, a couple of years from now, he going to be mad at you for just getting pointless points.

I don't want him. Kevin Durant, he's a winner. I don't want him. Why are we talking about he ain't doing it? He's the champion. Don't talk about champion like that. Yeah, that's how he feel. how you talk about a winner like that That's how he feel get off get off my back

Right That's saying what get off my back you're saying no no I'm good we go over here You're talking shit about the guys who won no, I'm not no I'm not You said LeBron need to retire because he got the rings and stuff. And why you keep playing the game collecting points? Get out of here. It's Wimby time, bro. We cool.

We cool. We got somebody else to talk about. Man, move. Move around. I'm going to tell you how legacy. Move around, man. I'm going to tell you what legacy looks like. What legacy looks like

This is considered the top 10 list of our legends. He's waiting yet No, I don't need this all need to sweat go ahead on legacy right Shaquille O'Neal, right? They got him at number 10 Right who got who had numbers him who got I said, this is contentious It was nothing to do do with your list but you say a day who is that just media right sound like you just made some sweet squeamish and they got back at 10 he won his rings where majority of his career LA Lakers what does he do for a living analyst analyst we don't I mean yo piece of reno you know what basketball talk about his legacy basketball the general he does he does doctor doctor Kobe where did he went on I mean, he was a piece of reason. Basketball. Talking about his legacy basketball. The general. He does. He's a sheriff.

He's a doctor. He's a doctor. Kobe. Where did he win all his rings and play? Lakers. Right? And when he was done, what was he doing? Investing.

No, no, no, no, no. For his coaching. Coaching high school girls basketball, right? Or middle school. Yeah, yeah. Coaching girls basketball. Not coaching on the Lakers, right? Okay, Tim Duncan Where these first what's he doing right now oversized and old Navy fits? Oh, I mean I saw Tim

He does he does cars he does auto so he's not he's not in the manager's manager He was on the bench. He was on the bench with Poppin' M. Oh, okay. He was there helping out. That's cool for someone who has five fucking rings. Okay, okay, okay. Larry Bird. What is Larry Bird doing?

I mean... Where was he at? He was in Boston. Oh, he was in Boston, right? His legacy's in Boston, right? Yep. And where was he at? Now he's with the Pacers.

Pacers. So the day after he played his last game in Boston, he was working with the Pacers. Not Boston, right? Hold on. He has game in Boston, he was working with the Pacers. Not Boston. Hold on. He has to go. He has to be with Boston. Your legacy is where?

In basketball. Okay, legacy. Basketball. All right. Will Chamberlain. Will Chamberlain, right? Do y'all know what he did after he played? Wilt the Stilt.

Yeah, clapped a lot of chicks. Yes. He became a professional volleyball player What's your point? Don't let the Lakers. What's the point man? He didn't get hired until when 2017 2019 for two years. That's what we do to the legends. Okay, Bill Russell Huh when he was done and do do smear play for the Boston, right?

I'm looking at like some teams he coached it was Supersonics. It was the Kings. He did TV analyst. They didn't work for Boston Doodle walls Karima do Jabbar The general the general, the general. Where's his, he's an artist, the nigga write books. He wrote on Veronica Barnes. He wrote 15 books, he ain't in the NBA, he wrote 15 books. And you want these niggas to live and die in the NBA? This is the sad part about his legacy.

You want him to live and die in the NBA, why? Why, why? This is the guy who built my he built my franchise he built my franchise and I'm not I'm not giving him his Respect to be a general manager assistant something. This is the man who led the, he's scoring titles for 40 years, and he's an author? And I got him coming behind the bench here and there, walking through, you know, paying little shit like this.

They don't have a section in Staples or crypto that's selling all 15 of his books? Are they even selling his books? Does that mean- They aren't even selling his books. Does that mean someone else is in control of his legacy then, Gilbert? Jordan, built the Bulls.

Does that mean someone else is in control? Built the Bulls. Bull cuts. Built the Bulls and he owns Charlotte? Sold it. But you're talking about Charlotte? Not Chicago Bulls. Was someone supposed to give him that?

Not the president of Chicago Bulls. Was someone supposed to give them that? Not the president of Chicago Bulls. What I'm saying is, why should we care about legacy if you're not treating it the way it's supposed to be treated? No, they're not treating it the way. You're talking they. All I just heard you point out is a bunch of names with a bunch of careers and then saying

they didn't give him a job here so he can increase his legacy. That has nothing to do with him. So I'm pretty sure if D. Wade had his choice, he would be still in Miami. I'm pretty sure every player who played with their team, ended their career with that team, should be in the front office

and believe they should be some part of the organization. They don't have that control. So if you're not given that opportunity, how is that supposed to be some part of your legacy? That's the point. But it's not up to them. That's the point. My legacy of what I did for you

should give me that respect, right? If you won five championships for me, the legacy that I hold for you, the respect I hold for you, over exceeds everything. When Kobe was done, the day he was done, the next day, he should have been the general manager. I don't give a fuck who's there. Step aside. If he wants the team, if he wants the coach, done. President, done. Whatever the wants the coach, done. President, done.

Whatever the fuck you want, done. Because that's your legacy of being who you are. But no one respects legacy. No one cares. Is Karl Malone and John Stockton anywhere in Utah being part of the franchise they built for 20 years? No. Maybe that's not a part of legacy, Gilbert. Maybe that's not a part of their legacy. No, maybe that's not no, maybe that's not a part of no Gilbert Maybe that's maybe that's not a part of their legacy. No, it should know

Maybe you may give them opportunity though They should give it since it's not, you know, you know, since it's not their careers ended on their own time Which means they have now their own legacy without all this shit y'all talking about, you know So they do that do they not do they not have a legacy based on the fact that y'all saying they're not attached to their... No, they have a legacy. So now they have a legacy. What is the legacy?

The fact that they won. What is the legacy if there's nothing that comes with it? What do you mean? There's nothing that comes with it. History comes with it. No, history... We forget you in history. No, you don't. That's what legacy is. We forget you in history. No you don't. That's what legacy is. We forget you in history. Gilbert, do you not know what legacy is?

I know what it is. Legacy means not forgetting. We are forgetting you. How? Because you're never around. You're passing on your legacy. You're never around. What do you mean never around?

Yo, you know like some of these parents- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has a legacy. And who cares about it? We're not even selling your fucking books in our in my arena No, no, I mean I hear you you think about why do you have to sell his book? Listen, you have to mention his name when LeBron James passes him you have to mention his name I have that's called legacy. Let's know that's all about no listen. We forgot about you for the last 40 years. He was number one for the past 40 years.

And nobody cared. Everyone cared. No one cared. We all said, who's going to pass Kareem? No, we didn't. We all said that. We thought Kobe was going to do it. Kobe, can you pass Kareem? My legacy with the Bucks might be better than Kareem's with the Lakers. No, man. They sell tough crowd

in the arena. Stop the cat. Stop the cat, bro. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar played for the UCLA Bruins and won four national titles. What he's saying is no one cares. What do you mean no one cares?

Where's the Hakeem? I mean, where's the Kareem Street? Why does he need a Kareem Street? Kareem. Why does he need a Kareem Street? If you're a basketball enthusiast, you know these things. It's a part of history of basketball. What you got?

Zero. How many books I got? Nobody got them books. Nobody. What does that mean though? Books. You didn't even know he sold 15 books. You know where our legacy is.

What does that mean? How about this? You don't think this is. I know he won four championships in college. Do you think this is disrespectful? Three. Books. You didn't know he sold 15 books. You know where our legacy is. What does that mean? How about this? I know he won four championships in college. Do you think this is disrespectful? Three. I know he won three. Do you think this is disrespectful? As a basketball fan, that a rapper, a rapper, had to bring our legacy, had to bring our legacy to TV every weekend.

What rapper are you talking about? I know you was going to forget. Ice Cube. Do you not realize the players that's in that league that's are coaching? Rick Barry. Rick Barry is in the big three not in the nba obviously he still wants to coach he's not in the nba he's in the big three clyde dr fucking jay dr fucking jay we had to a rapper had to say man where's my where man, where's the legacy?

Where is the legends at? And I had to create a league to promote not Philadelphia, Ice Cube. And you don't think something's wrong with that? You think... If you won seven championships and I'm your owner, and you won seven championships and you built this city, can you sleep at night knowing that I didn't even tell you thank you, gave you a job, say, hey, what are you doing in your afterlife? Can I be a part of it? Like, you write books. Hey, I want to be the first one to help you promote it.

And I'm just like, oh, man, going on to the next one. And you still in basketball. You, huh? And you still in basketball. You over here coaching high school basketball. And I couldn't even give you seven rings, the benefit of the doubt, to coach my franchise. But do you think these legends give a fuck about any of that? Yes. Yeah, they do. Why?

Yeah, they do. Why? You think Dr. J want to be in the big three, not with the Philadelphia 76ers? A part owner in management? What are you talking about? Look, I'm saying Yeah, they do. You think Dr. J want to be in the big three, not with the Philadelphia 76ers? I don't think... A part owner in management? What are you talking about? Look, I'm saying this. Either way, big three or no big three, Dr. J is Dr. J.

I don't give a fuck about big three or no big three. It's Dr. J. It's Gary Payton. Your GP. With or without the big three, you're still GP. Period. You don't need the big three to be GP. You're GP. With or without the big three, you're still GP. Period. You don't need the big three to be GP.

You're a legend. Right, no, for sure. You don't need none of that shit. So if you're going to amplify and promote me and say, hey, you got access to get an autograph from these guys

when you go to these cities. Well, that's all. Every kid going to be like this. But they don't need that because they're already etched in history. They're etched in the history of the game forever. That's getting etched out.

Forever. That's why they're top 100. Top 75. Top 50. You're a legend. Again, most of these people don't even know nothing until I poke at them. And I poke at it for a reason. I poke at the legends just so people can talk about them.

Because obviously you forgot about them. So youhmm. So you have a noble intentions girl Mm-hmm in a sense. Okay, I poke at a legend just so all those people Defended so I can sit back and laugh and so you don't respect your legacy. You forgot all about this We don't respect their legacies. That's no legacies. I'm saying you're not respecting the legacy There's a legacy of them of them who's not the people that's working in the organization

everybody yeah that's what he's saying people like but do you respect their legacy yes okay that's all we need to know if I'm an owner of a team

no I'm saying you Gilbert Arenas if I'm an owner of a team you're Gilbert Arenas I don't have nothing to do with the legends if I'm an owner of a team and I own the Lakers Shaquille O'Neal

Magic an owner of a team and I own the Lakers, Shaquille O'Neal, Magic, Kareem, those guys will be president, president of this, president of that. They earned that, right? Did they? They didn't. Did they? On that court. They earned that on that court. All them championships and parades?

Isn't that a business decision to put a player who has to be qualified for that position? They don't just put anybody in that position. He is qualified. Who says I'm not qualified? He's qualified. Are they? He's qualified. Five rings qualify him to know what the fuck he's looking for in a basketball. So James Jones is qualified to be a GM for Phoenix because he's a champion James Jones gets the job over

Of Charles Barkley over over Steve Nash over Steve Nash Charles Barkley damn Marley. Hey, yeah I really give a fuck about legacy at this point Kevin Johnson That's look that's you just prove the point of what legacy don't mean shit if Dame Jones can jump in front of Legends like Charles Barkley and he on TV talking about it every day. Maybe Charles don't want the job. I Man KG talking about I don't want to be a coach cuz if niggas ain't got her plan and doing what I'm thinking it I don't want to be a coach cuz if niggas ain't got her plan and doing what I'm thinking it I don't want to be that's like he might have to be some higher than he does a president president

Some people don't want those positions. Yeah, I think I yeah, you don't want you don't want to Charles Barkley But you want to go talk about the game? Okay And okay now I think it's time for us to talk about some Mostly fans. Okay. That's a segue. You see how they, yeah. You see Mostly fans. That's what they ate.

This is a perfect example of the NBA. We fucking up your legacy, Gil? They Mostly fans. They Mostly fans, y'all. They letting you know if you look at the past, they letting you know right now when it's over, it's over. But your legacy is going to be based on what you make it. Your legacy is going to get- Not what they make it.

Your legacy is going to get forgotten like everything else in this world. I truly appreciate that you trolled just so people will talk about- Toys R Us legacy was then, is gone now. Blockbuster was a legacy, now it's gone. I heard Toys R Us might be coming back. Huh? Lowkey, I heard Toys R Us is coming back.

Man. Right in time for Christmas. Does that mean you bring him back to legacy Exactly Bringing back the legacy now. Let me know when these teams start bringing back their legacy You're out here really spitting, but I just I appreciate that you trolls or people will talk about the ledges I came sending some Dr. J. Send us some autograph e-tonics for free These man got outside the goddamn Shoes outside the arena, but ain't got a job inside

Y'all got me fucked up. It's still got Mark Cuban doing it right and still got a paper tick person We'll help him win the championship coach X player X player still got a paper ticket. What and six? Do Bucks make you pay for tickets? No, no, no. Hey, Knicks, how they treat Charles Oakley. Come on, man. Come on. Patrick Ewing's a coach.

Where he coaching at? Because I don't think I see him on the Knicks bench. Where's he coaching at? It was Georgetown. Georgetown? But at least they gave him the job. Come on, Knicks. Come on.

All right, so our first question comes from underdog user named case average 21 Who will lead the league in scoring this season? Alleging who gonna be forgot about not Your pool Who's gonna lead the league and scoring Was ever healthy and whoever getting after it early. Oh, this is a good one. Huh? Julian Bede.

Embiid? Embiid. I don't think so. Embiid. I got Steph or Giannis. Wimbiana. No. Wimbiana.

Ricky? No. Wimbiana. Wimby Yana Wimby Yana The only player who's at his Dominance That don't have to share the ball Is Embiid No he's taking 20 shots I got green light for 20 shots

I know but it don't matter That's my That's who That still can happen He don't have a supporting cast that he has to down Like he had probably averaged 33 to 30 you man they got Patrick Beverly, bro Who's gonna give him about 30 points a game? I'm gonna give him the ball 30 points a game right out of high school 30 a game out of high school

37 he's getting bucket. Listen. That was the biggest Quad they acquired a monster. What you talking about? Giannis might average 29, 28 because of the day. When be Giannis? No, I mean 28, 29. What about Luka? Luka got to come down.

Luka got Kyrie, right? He has to split the ball with another hybrid. The Suns, they got three. LeBron's going to give you about 28 to 30 like the only person who's it same thing with uh boston they just added more scoring so tatum is not going to be able to do what he's going to be able to do the only person that's sitting there with no support and cast is really just in beat and beat yeah and stuff i mean they got a point guard wimimbyana, man. What y'all talking about?

If Wimby puts up 30 again. Wimby's not even going to be in shape. He's not even going to be in shape to average that. They're going to put the offense around this man and get easy shots. He's going to get easy shots. Everything's going to be so easy for him. I'm already seeing how they already. You got to be in shape.

You got to be in tense shape. He has to go through one year to really understand what that is. I'm telling you. You got to be in shape. You got to be intense Yeah, I don't hate like he has to go through one year to really understand what that is You gotta be in shape bro. There's Joker in state No, but he understands the NBA. Did you say no, but he only ever just did you just say no? In shape to do what what he's been doing Yeah, but I mean, yeah, I mean the way he plays yeah in when be play the way Joker's playing no No two different games. It is so he's not in shape and When became play that way you okay? So is is Joker in shape to play?

42 to 44 minutes every game 82 games. Yes Yes Wimby Wimby it Wimby is going to definitely. Why you not doing it? Because they don't need to. He doesn't need that. Our number one team every year, he doesn't need to play 42 minutes a game. So let's move on to our next question from underdog username GGXKill.

Don't know what that means. I'm just reading it. If you had the first pick in the draft and Shaq and Wimby are in the draft, who are you picking first? Shaq. Yeah, Shaq. Easy. Shaq. Wimby or not. What is y'all talking

about? He just threw it between man's legs. He's blocking three shots in the first quarter. I know one person he ain't going to block. This is the person we picked, Shaq. Of course.

He's going to get his hand broke. He's going to get his chest broke. But we didn't say who's going to go up against each other and dominate. We said who you going to pick. Picking Wimby. Wimby's going to be in foul trouble early. Wimby Yana is the new move, boy. He's going to be in foul trouble early. Let me tell you something.

The difference is, like, the skill-wise, Foul trouble when beana is the new move boy. He don't be in foul trouble early. We tell you something the difference Like the skill wise but no one's gonna be drafting players to guard Wimby Now you're drafting players you're picking players just for Shaquille O'Neal. No, we're not What oh, we're not We're not picking guys just to guard Shaq. Hey Shaq gonna do what he do We gonna have to fucking adjust but Wimby., thank you, excuse me, three pointers, two pointers, everything. I know you was in high school. Shaq, look, you can let Shaq do what he do.

Shaq gonna do what he do. I know you was in high school when Shaq was, when he got into his dominance. prominence and teams was holding three to five, five men alone just so they can have bodies against Shaq. So they were picking big people just for Shaq.

You were loading up on bigs. I got seven foot big as a backup, then another seven foot, and then another seven foot. And then like, you know, now it's just two bigs. Then it was five, right, for just him. The league changed just because of him.

So when you said they wouldn't change it, that's a fact. They did it. That's great. Wimby is his rookie year right now, so we don't know what the fuck they gonna do I know they're not gonna they're not gonna they're gonna have to stop these big wide feet Slow mood all the shag month y'all out of here cuz you can't fuck with this, dude You can have to change up your style

Change up your style. Thank you. They're not gonna just you just can't draft people. That's like oh, yeah We're just gonna draft seven foot five guys stick with me. I'm who can play like we're not gonna just you just can't draft people. That's like oh, yeah, we're just gonna draft seven foot five guys I think we'll be on who can play like we're not But you can't find no big-ass 300-pound sacks anywhere either. That's why it was dropped to anybody. I mean I think you're gonna try out We need you we go I'm just saying it was Big body. I think you're out of this. You already get bullied by the chair

A polar bear Big bodies just to just try to guard them. They can't do that one because he plays different. They not underdog I'm going Just sitting but just in practice and you got three dudes. Man, what are y'all even on this team for, bro? Y'all just here. When we play Shaq, y'all get the possibility to get it. Think of the same thing, though.

Wimby coming down on the break like Steph. Bing, bing, bing. Step back. Three ball. Get him out of here. It's like, get Pat off bird. What are we doing? Hey, hey.

Whoever the New York Knicks coach is. I know that's Patrick Ewing. That's like, get Pat off, Bird. What are we doing? Hey, hey, whoever the New York Knicks coach is, that's Patrick Ewing. That's Patrick Ewing guarding Larry Bird. Get him off. Get him off. Get Pat off, Bird. Get Pat off, Bird. Hey, Wimby, whoever's guarding Wimby, whoever's guarding Wimby, get him

off, Wimby. He should be. I know. President. Let's move to our last question. Last question of the day. He should be, I know. President. Let's move to our last question. Last question of the day. We done had a good one. Shout out to Dwight Howard and all the other amazing topics

that we had today. NBA season is here. We got a video question from underdog user Cannon1of1. Let's roll that video. This nigga Gilbert. I appreciate you guys,

which I do. Always enjoy the debates. I got two questions. First question is, Gilbert, I just saw Elijah Reynos score 50 points. He's 16 years old. What advice or any just tips you would have for fathers out there that want to involve their sons in basketball? And my second question is, how in the world did you play a full game and do she and the barnas?

And how did you play a full game and air max 99? It's like you got to explain that for me. What was the thought process behind it? Shit, that's three questions get a man $300 Get back to the. Let that man leave. Sustitute teacher, get back to them kids. Sustitute teacher. Leave that man alone. When it comes to just coaching your kids, you have to understand you have to be two different people.

You have to be his coach and his father. You can't blend them both. I think that's the problem with the father-son relationships of most parents. So, like, if you're your son's trainer, right, you can't be his coach. Yeah. Right? You can't be his coach. So it makes it easier for me.

I'm his trainer, which means fuck your feelings. This is what we're doing. Right. I don't care if you're tight. This is what we're doing. Once that's done, I'm your father. Right? We about like you know boom boom boom when you're playing in your game I don't exist I don't exist right like I'm preparing you to play how you play is how you see it right so I'm not going to be sitting there yelling at him and, dad, you need to do this and do that and do this. Like I have my computer, right? You know,

like, okay, boom, boom, boom. So when we go to training, we can look at why'd you go this way? You didn't see him over here. This is the right. I don't do it in real time. It's just like being at your workplace. And then someone's going to type it right now. Send a message right now. You can't think like motherfucker, let me do it. And that's what kids do. So that's why they turn you off. 100%. You're trying to coach them in both atmospheres. No, you coach, let the coach go, father. You can't be both. Because what ends up happening is how you're coaching them, they're going to turn you off as a father. So you can't do it both. There's a balance, right? And the easiest way for me is I'm his coach, I'm his trainer. And then as a father, I'm just his fan. But do you go to the games? Yeah. So how do you get him to not look at you

and look at the coach? Like you said, you let him be who he is. A lot of the habits come from the son looking at you because you're in debt because they're looking for approval on growing up you yelling this they shoot the ball pass the ball stop at me they get so used to that person you're not realizing you're creating the habit where he's looked like looking back even when we started and you know when he first started and the coach would yell at him and he starts crying on the bench what the fuck you looking at me for that's your coach i'm not your coach god damn it right i'm your trainer right i i can't save you that's between you two so i've never hey you need to play my son like

no that has that's your coach i I'm your trainer. I train you. You take what I'm training you and you try to apply it there. Do you tell him not to look at you, though? Do you tell him, like, whatever happens, happens. Don't be looking over here at me. But that's from the beginning, right? If you don't start it from the beginning, if I'm sitting there yelling after every play, that just creates a habit. Yeah.

Right? So I didn't create the habit from the beginning because I don't say anything. At halftime, I'm like, yo, he's playing you like this. These are the type of guys I say, just blow by him, don't do this. So now he understands, okay, this type of player, I just go by

versus the longer guys I can sit there and keep yanking. But you're giving him adjustments at halftime whenever you can. If he asks for it. All right. Yeah. Not just voluntarily. No, I don't voluntarily.

Yeah, I'm not going to voluntarily. Like, what do you see, pops? You can tell him. Half his highlights I don't even see. Because I'm sitting down there writing drills like, okay, he's having trouble with it. Like, I'm taking the notes. Yeah. Right?

To train him. Yeah. Right? And that's, you know, so I'm not sitting there just yelling at him for no reason because eventually he'll turn you off. A hundred percent. Right? It train them. Right? And that's, you know, so I'm not sitting there just yelling at them for no reason because eventually they turn you off. A hundred percent. Right? It's hard. It's hard as a parent.

Right? Because you want, when you're training your kid, you see that potential to the point where, but we're in a lens where we're today judging then. Yep. Yeah. Right? So we have this level of how we see the game versus how they see the game. They're on level one, two, three.

We're on level 100 trying, getting mad at level one, two, three. Yeah. And then my shoes. Yeah, they want to hear about the Dolce's. The 99s.

No, you told the Dolce story. I was him. You told the 99s. I was him. The blue Air Max joint? Yeah, the blue. So in high school, I don't know why, because I ran track, right? So I was always in running shoes.

So when I played, I just felt fast as fuck. Like back then, shoes was heavy, you know? It just didn't, you know what I mean? So I just liked that light feel where I can just, because I run on my ankles, so I needed that type of shoe. So, you know, playing in shoes like that, really. The only problem is when I'm turning the corner and that plastic hit that wood. Other than that, I just felt light. I just felt fast as fuck.

Yeah, you was a runner? Yeah, I ran a 100 and a 400. I didn't know that. Jesse Owens. Young Jesse. Young Jesse Owens. That's why when I said line drills and five miles, I was like, that's nothing.

Well, this is a good place to wrap the show. I think we just set a record for our longest show in Gills Arena history. That's because of Dwight. Dwight was a good man. Pulling up. Came through. Was very honest, earnest.

We always cooking, though. Let us cook. Shit. We here to serve. I ain't got shit to do today. We're here to serve. It's wimpy time. Wimpy time is here.

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