Gil's Arena - Game One Of The NBA Finals Will Be A Blowout!!!!

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Starting point is 00:01:01 Age is zero. Change the game. Put that respect on his name. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Some swear by Nikes, others love Adidas Rappers be rockin' crowds, I'd rather rock arenas You may have a nice shop, you're super set with a pill Who made the zero famous? It's Gil Homie fire, he wet, cold as the Pacific Some dudes try to guard him, no need to be specific He dazzled up the crowd as a wizard for years Was 100% real, it's Gil

Starting point is 00:01:41 Gil Eat him up, Gil Gil Eat him. Gil. Gil. Gil. Gil. Gil. Gil. Gil.

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Starting point is 00:02:04 Gil. Gil. Gil. Gil. Gil. Gil. Gil. Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Get in there before you start yelling and shit. Why you trying to undercut my thing Gil? I work really hard on this shit. You know how hard it is to say welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by underdog fantasy woo woo. I'm pretty sure you didn't practice it. I practiced it.

Starting point is 00:02:29 Yeah, I practiced that a lot. Back with the living legend, Gilbert Arenas. What up? We got Rashad McCants and Brandon Jennings and his dog Freedom in here. We got Miko Grimes back on the couch. Hello. For the three pick. You see this shit?

Starting point is 00:02:41 Damn. This is crazy, right? It's mad tight over there, son. Where's your cup? You see this shit? This is crazy, right? It's mad tight over there, son. Where's your cup? They lost it, I guess. I still got my confidence, though. No confidence, though. Game one today. Game one. You feel me, B? We ready. We need a mediation for it, shall we? We good, everybody? Yes, we do. We need a come to Jesus moment. This is awkward. We should've hugged. We should've mediation for the show. We good, everybody? Yes, we do. We need a come to Jesus moment. This is awkward. We should've hugged.

Starting point is 00:03:06 We should've hugged before the show started. This is awkward energy, Rashad. What's wrong with y'all? Rashad. I'm happy to be here. What's wrong with y'all? Rashad. What's wrong with y'all?

Starting point is 00:03:13 What's wrong with y'all? Can we get the show going? What y'all talking about? Let's get it. Oh my God. What you talking about, man? Shit, we with the shits over here. This is what we do.

Starting point is 00:03:24 This is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Wake up, wake up, wake up. It's the first of the month. You know what that means. The NBA Finals is here. Should the NBA eliminate halftime and free throws? We're going to talk about that. And the Pistons just made Monte Williams the highest paid coach in NBA history.

Starting point is 00:03:39 But will Monte bring that winning mindset back to Motown? Wow. But before we get into all that, yeah. They gave the man a bag. 78 million? Some other people out there are like, ooh, I never liked a pocket watch. So if I'm Steve Kerr or Pop or Mike Malone, if I win this chip, we're gonna need to talk

Starting point is 00:03:54 about some things, but before we get into all that, as you guys know, Gills Arena's rented by Underdog Fantasy, so go ahead, download the Underdog app, use promo code Gills Arena, they will match your first deposit up to $100. We will get these pick-ems in tonight for this game. I'm going two pieces or less. I need to get the bread.

Starting point is 00:04:10 I need help. Five piece. You gave me a little tutorial. Five piece in them. We just gonna roll with your picks. Cause you got them. He be selfish. No, I'm not.

Starting point is 00:04:18 Not today. He waits till the game starts. And then he throws it out there like, aw. I actually got some DMs asking to share my picks too. So I felt kind of like you put that out there, like we winning, so they wanna know what the picks are. Well, I'm gonna share it with the group, and then we're gonna see what y'all do.

Starting point is 00:04:33 I need at least 10% though. I got you. 10%. If you do the five piece, and I get on it. Let me get 10%. But you know I bet light, I only bet five, $10. I'm trying to really, you know. $2 is good, just the $2. It'll help you you on the gas on the petrol. You better be photos. Yeah, I don't have gills gills arena

Starting point is 00:04:50 It's not Josiah's arenas gills arena. So once I get my own arena, he capped You definitely bet $20 Oh, so if I lose like a $25 bed or fitted all the bet right? And then something says I'm owing two. $300 on the next one. 300. You trying to get your shit back. Yeah. Like I was just, I killed.

Starting point is 00:05:12 300 on the pick. We do not bet on this show. We do pick'ems, Gil. Pick'ems. Y'all know that out there. I said pick'ems. I tilt easy. I'm an easy tilter.

Starting point is 00:05:20 If it's one of those specials where it's like Jalen Brown over point, you know, oh, I'm going hard on those. I get up sometimes, right, just like y'all out there. Keep messing with Underdog Fantasy. Everybody in the chat, keep dropping those great questions in. You can be featured in our Mostly Fan segment at the end of the show. My favorite segment because it means the day is almost done.

Starting point is 00:05:39 And you know we're going to go hard on this joint. But, like, Owen, I see you out there spamming us. You asked the same question 500 times before the show even started. That's dedication. I can't even get mad at you Consistent Jimmy Butler Hall of Famer if the heat win the championship Yeah, okay Everybody out there we appreciate y'all rocking with the show if y'all want to listen in your car you can't ask it now. You can't ask it. You got it earlier. Everybody out there, we appreciate y'all rocking with the show. If y'all want to listen in your car, you can watch video. Gil's Arena, we got it now as a podcast. We're on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts at.

Starting point is 00:06:12 So go ahead, rock with us. Get that audio up and get the bags up. Underdog fans, keep rocking with us. So first things first, before we get into all the finals talk and everything else that's going to dominate this show, fan is short for fanatic, so it's expected for fans to take their fandom to the extreme on occasion, right? Well, one Celtics fan took his love of Ja Morant a little too far. A Celtics fan? A Celtics fan.

Starting point is 00:06:36 Look at the video. He got a tattoo of Ja with the nice braids. Nice braids. Ja Morant honed a gun on his inner thigh with Ja's now infamous salute to young boys parading inside my city. Yeah. What? Now, Brandy, you have some opinions on these type of things.

Starting point is 00:06:54 You posted a tweet the other day. Yes, but... What'd you say? He said, guys who get tattoos are other men who are walking this earth. That's weird to me. That's dick riding at an all-time high. Other men? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:09 That's still alive. That's still alive. Oh, that's still alive. That's still alive. That was the criteria. So, like, if you're getting tattoos of a man that's, like, walking this earth, that's, like, right here, different. That's a little weird. Family, though?

Starting point is 00:07:20 Family is the exception? No, no. Yeah, family's fine. Like, cartoon characters of men, like old wrestlers, but- You can get a tattoo of a voice. Of a voice? Yeah, a tattoo, a character, right? Cartoon character, that's somebody's voice.

Starting point is 00:07:36 That's a cartoon character. Like Homer Simpson, no you can't like- Yeah, like Homer Simpson. Or Bart. Bart, you can get a Bart. But like another grown man. Like the Michael Jordan logo? Nah, that's like a Michael Jordan like another grown man. Like the Michael Jordan logo? Nah, that's like a Michael Jordan face.

Starting point is 00:07:47 Come on man, the Michael Jordan logo? The face. That's like the same thing. No, his face. The logo's not the same. The logo's more famous than the face. No, the logo's not the same thing. Getting Michael Jordan's face tattooed on your body?

Starting point is 00:07:59 His face and the logo is different. No, because you could just really fuck with the Jordan brand for real I guarantee if you know if you show kids the face and the logo of Michael Jordan 100% would know the logo before the face Yeah, that's why I would be weird to get a tattoo of his face How would you how would you feel if you seen another man or woman with a tattoo of your face on their body? My face look at my face. I'm dead. Why did we ask him this?

Starting point is 00:08:27 It's a nice looking face. What is wrong with that? Why did you ask him for this? It's a nice looking face. That's what I mean. That's confidence. That's confidence. I'm just going to be like Tyrone Hill and I'm going to be like,

Starting point is 00:08:38 oh, shit. Somebody every episode, somebody is catching a stray, minding their business. I'm just saying, you know. Tyrone? He minding his business. Well, I know, but I'm just saying, I just had to think of something. Somebody every episode somebody catching a straight You know, you're not rocking with it what if it's like diehard he's fan they got your face with the bucks and six on it You're not rolling wait till I die They want to celebrate you won't see it It's okay. I don't I don't want to see me me on your body Like you could just meet me you can hit me on Instagram or Twitter or something like I'm Real like available reachable. What if I like Beyonce or somebody like that Rihanna would you accept it then?

Starting point is 00:09:16 What if they got my yeah Well, no, listen to me. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I mean, I have women tatted on me. I have a lot of women. I have Lauryn Hill, Sade, like I have a bunch of women. So it's different. So women, if women do it, yeah, that's, I mean, of course, a woman, but a man? You got Sade tatted? Yeah, I got Sade tatted, Lauryn Hill, like I got, you know, a bunch of females. Sade, you rolling?

Starting point is 00:09:42 With the crown, they got the tat of you? Nah. With the greatness? That's too much. That's too much much too much just the crown though. You could do clear by itself I'm fucking with you if I see the crown like that's testament. I mean that means like you're kind of obsessed No, I don't want that greatness you don't want a man. I don't want no man to be obsessed like that's a stalker That's a fan That's a weirdo a fan. Okay don't want no man to be obsessed. Like that's a stalker. That's a fan. That's a weirdo. It is. A fan.

Starting point is 00:10:07 Okay. Well be a fan and support, but I don't need to. Last time I checked, I don't see the marinas filled with just nothing but women. Yeah, but it's still not. Right. It's dude. That's fine. I hear what Brandon's saying though.

Starting point is 00:10:21 If I'm LeBron James and the Senate shark got my shit, I'm him. But we talking about a Celtics fan got a picture of John Moran with a gun. No way. We not rolling. You tripping, dude. Like, did you see that? I know he black. John Moran?

Starting point is 00:10:34 You know he black. You know that was a black man. Nah, he was light skinned. Wasn't he light skinned? He was like Mexican or something. He was like, nice skinned. Like Latina. That's weird though.

Starting point is 00:10:42 Like, John Moran is 20 something years old. And that Weird though like John Moran is 20-some years old That's weird, I'm sorry, I mean y'all like Drake tats Just so random the little Wayne the Wayne and the LeBron tat and the Katie number and like Girl if it's a girl, if it's a girl, it's cool. Another dude. Yeah. It's weird. When you think about it, it's weird, but it's a different weird because it's like, because he's so great when you think about what he's doing is like he's putting other greats on

Starting point is 00:11:24 his body while he's great. Weird flex. Different flex. It's just a great putting other greats. The inner thigh tat. But still it's a great we're not talking about

Starting point is 00:11:39 just somebody down here. You're talking about one of the elites. I think positioning matters, too. I want greats. I want other greats around me. Okay. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 00:11:51 So it's something. Take a picture. Put it on the wall. Yeah. It's the same thing. He wants to be around greats. Positioning matters, too. Like, it's like a foot from his dick.

Starting point is 00:11:59 Like, that's. Hungry for a ride. That's ink. That's weird. That's ink. You shouldn't put no man in your thigh. Like, not. I got the outer thigh. That's weird. I got weird. That's ink. You shouldn't put no man in your thigh, like not- I got the outer thigh. That's weird.

Starting point is 00:12:09 I got a man on my thigh. Who? Me. Okay. You got a picture of yourself? I got five pictures of me. On tattoos? Do you understand?

Starting point is 00:12:17 That's why I told you not to ask him. I love me. I'm about to say Gil, love me some. Give me some me. Gil, love him. You got five pictures of yourself? Maybe more. On yourself? Yeah. Wait, tattoos pictures of yourself made it on yourself. Yeah, wait tattoos pictures

Starting point is 00:12:26 Catch I've got tattoo right here. I got coins with my face on the coins and then I got my face on the back I love me We know we know so the fans want to know my name on me right One thing about you you love you love me That's guilt Right? One thing about you, you love me. You love me, so me. When I die, I'm like, that's Gil. That's him. That's him.

Starting point is 00:12:48 Right there on the spot. We know that's him. That's him. We know that's him. That's him. All the faces on me, it's just all right here. It's just done with me. That's Gil.

Starting point is 00:12:58 You don't have any of your kids? I got two of them. You got two of them? You getting the other ones? No. Why not? They hurt. They hurt. Well, you know, they got the number cream now. You got a thousand tattoos. You getting the other ones? No. Why not? They hurt. They hurt.

Starting point is 00:13:06 Well, you know, they got the number cream now. You got a thousand tattoos. I heard, I heard. They got the number cream that worked for like hours. You got a thousand tattoos. I got them. So I got all my tattoos within like a eight, nine month span. I got hurt, bored, and I just got a whole bunch of tattoos.

Starting point is 00:13:18 You went crazy. Yep. And you haven't gotten one since? No. Really? They do hurt. Oh, I got a man on me. Who?

Starting point is 00:13:27 I got Obama. Yuck. I got Black Rushmore. I got Black Rushmore. So what happened is I got... We got Obama by himself? Yep. Oh, wrong leg.

Starting point is 00:13:40 He's with people. I mean... It was Black Rushmore. So I got Malcolm, Martin, Luther King, Mandela, and Obama. I guess that's valid. That's reasonable. That's reasonable. I couldn't find that.

Starting point is 00:13:55 I mean, Obama's like, I mean, he's a grandpa. He's about to be a grandpa. So it's like- I think, I see what you was trying to do. That's why I'm like, okay, I see what you're doing. Black Rushmore. If white people got their right Rushmore, I want black Rushmore. But Obama does not fit in that group of men. Sorry to tell you you who's the other one who the four you don't you don't know Malcolm X Martin Luther King. Yeah Mandela. Yeah, those three fit together Obama. Don't fit like president

Starting point is 00:14:17 first black president Wow This is before whatever you We're not doing all that. First of all, we're not doing none Boom, president. Damn. Whoa! That's tough. That's a tough one. Well, this is before whatever you got. We're not having any rent. We're not doing all that. First of all, we're not doing none of that. Well, then let's move on.

Starting point is 00:14:30 We're not doing that. Not on Obama. Not on Obama. Because I got time for Obama. Not on Obama. I got time for Obama's letter. So we should move on. No, first black, only black, whatever he says, cool.

Starting point is 00:14:40 You gotta be more than just black skin to be black. Nope. They don't do that for white folks. White folks? You white, you good. You white, you good be more than just black skin to be black. Nope. They don't do that for white folks. That's where you white you good You're wise for another show When he was in DC, that's why I got the chair The game he played in I mean the game he went to his only NBA game. I got that see my that's tough It's Juneteenth all month. I'm here for all the slander of the of the black people that ain't really for us Did y'all do a Jersey dress shirt exchange deal with Obama?

Starting point is 00:15:10 He didn't have no Jersey to exchange with me. I'm saying you take his dress I got the chair. I got it the chair. He said in for sure. That's good enough I got the presidential chair. Yes. Where did he sit? Front row you got that chair? They got it before don't nobody else sit there as soon as he got up What's the wildest and he signed it what's the water you've seen on the NBA player the wildest tattoo that you were like That don't really fit the arm real estate. It's hard to do that because everyone gets tats that has something to do with what's going on with them.

Starting point is 00:15:50 So you feel like it's not your business? So it's not my business. You know, I can look at it and just be like, yeah, that's- I wouldn't have did that. Right? I know Brandon, you know some. Go ahead. I just seen one recently.

Starting point is 00:16:03 What? I think John Wall had Makai Pfeiffer tatted on him Was it Makai or was it full? Was it paid? No, was it home alone? Like Makai Pfeiffer tatted like right here was on I just seen Makai Pfeiffer two months ago at Delilah would have labors who don't have some white forces white forces oh wait was it like this like that money making me know it was my kind of a chi-fi for you but like but but like you know the guy who really played him is like he's a legend like he should have got him so real one like the real guy is he dead who the real guy yeah is it a movie character though yes that's fine mckay

Starting point is 00:16:50 fifa no as a movie character yeah it's not mckay but the character was meaningful but if it wasn't for him we want to know who the real one is. Like I could see somebody getting like John like was it Lucas? I guess you know, like Frank Lucas. You know, 80 years old. He just had a baby. 83 years old. Yeah, you can get a rough one.

Starting point is 00:17:18 Like, I guess it's all just go get it. All right. Side dog. Still getting it off. Any tattoo you got that you regret? 20 something? His boob? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 29.

Starting point is 00:17:29 Al be slinging. 29 is too young for me right now. Al slinging. You said what? 29. Slinging. Al slinging, bro. Al slinging, man.

Starting point is 00:17:37 29 is too young for you? Is 29 too young for y'all? Any of y'all got tattoos that you regret, you look back on it? Yeah, I'm getting my tattoos taken off my hands right now. Okay. You regret them? Yeah, I just don't like them.

Starting point is 00:17:49 I'm just ready to redo them. Redo them? Yeah. But it hurts worse. To get them off? Yeah, to get them off. It hurts ten times worse. They don't have anything for that?

Starting point is 00:17:58 Like nothing to help with the pain? Nothing? No. It's just in the bubble and everything. Try yours. Oh, man. Just not getting this just, and it bubbles up and everything. Try yours. Oh man, I think. Just not getting this one, just cause it hurt so much. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:18:11 So I just, I think that's the only regret is either not finishing it or not starting it. Any of the tattoos of Gil on your body that you regret, do they all look like you or any of them you were not happy with? They, I'm just making sure. The same tattoo guy? Huh?

Starting point is 00:18:26 The same tattoo guy for all of them? No, oh no, the one thing that hurt, it was a line. It was a line, like it was on my lion, right? It was a line, man, it took 30 minutes for just a swiggle line. It was killing. It was drawing hair on a lion, no. Especially back then with no-

Starting point is 00:18:45 No. Mm-mm-mm. I mean, but you know, guys, you know. I got my knees every day. Whatever guys want to do, man. I have a lot of tattoos. Whatever y'all want to put on y'all body. Just be safe and be happy.

Starting point is 00:18:53 Can't see mine though. Let's keep this thing moving, man. You got tats? You know I have tattoos a lot. My whole, my back. Oh, what is it? My legs. There's like stars.

Starting point is 00:19:03 There's a Wonder Woman. There's a Michael Jackson thing. There's a heartbreaker, like Jenna Jameson tattoo on my ass. That sounds like a whole bunch of dumb ones. My legs. I have an Iverson tattoo right here on this leg. I have Nipsey Hussle. You said what?

Starting point is 00:19:20 Not his face. Not his face. But like. That's not an acceptable tattoo? I mean, yeah, but not a guy should... We can go see AI. Philly fan, though. AI is reachable.

Starting point is 00:19:29 I don't have his face. I don't have his face. It's the cross that's in his arm. These people are reachable to me. You got the same tat he got? Yes. So nobody knows it's AI's tat unless they're AI fan? Yes.

Starting point is 00:19:37 For sure. Sure. I know one. Can you ask me mine again? Say that again. What tattoo you regret getting? No, no, no, no. Before that. What? Hold on. Wildest tattoo you regret getting? No, no, no, no. Before that.

Starting point is 00:19:45 What? Hold on. Wildest tattoo you've seen on your mirror? No. Yes. Wait. Wildest? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:19:53 Oh, I thought you said the dumbest. What's the dumbest? Say it. Say it. Yeah, Miko got Allen Iverson's cross on her, what did you say, leg? Yeah. Fuck off, Gil. Not Allen Iverson's name or the lead.

Starting point is 00:20:01 It got the same tattoo. It's a cross. I'm not even gonna lie. I was gonna do some dumb shit like that my first First tattoo whatever my first tap that I wanted it was slam magazine. It was Chauncey Billup Hat and it said like king of the hill and I was Number four it was king of the I was like, oh, I want four, but I don't like number four. It was king of the hill. It was king of the hill.

Starting point is 00:20:29 Oh, I want that. I'm getting that shit. I like my tattoo. The Slam magazines, yeah, everybody was ripping those out waiting, like, yo, I got to get that tattoo. Yeah. The only the strongest of all was like- That was it. That's the one I wanted.

Starting point is 00:20:39 That's the one I wanted. That's the Iverson one. Yeah. The strongest of- Yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's the illest NBA tattoo ever seen. The strongest of, yeah. Yes. Yeah. That's the illest NBA tattoo ever seen. Thank you.

Starting point is 00:20:47 Like ever seen. For sure. Thank you. Well, let's keep this thing moving. We had enough tattoo talk. All right. In an interview with The Athletic, Jeff Van Gundy said he would make the following changes to fix the NBA.

Starting point is 00:20:57 Eliminate free throws until the last four minutes. If you get fouled on a shooting foul, you just get the points. You don't go to the line. And you don't go to the line for technical free throws. They're just points. Then don't go to the line. And you don't go to the line for technical free throws, they're just points. Then I would eliminate halftime. I think halftime is the biggest waste of time. Or I reduce it to five minutes so you can go to the bathroom and come back out.

Starting point is 00:21:13 Dame Lillard saw some of these points. He agreed with him on at least one of them. He said, I'm with him on halftime, LOL. I do not fuck with it. So I'm going to ask you guys, we got three former NBA hoopers in here. Should the NBA keep or quit halftime? Halftime? I mean, if you cooking,

Starting point is 00:21:31 then yeah, halftime can fuck you up a little bit. Throw your rhythm off. If you ain't playing well, you need, sometimes you need halftime to regroup. So it all depends. There's some times where I was playing horrible and halftime came, I took a quick shower, changed my shoes and came back. Right?

Starting point is 00:21:52 So it all depends. I mean, yeah, I mean, halftime, I mean, it's all right. I guess, I mean, like you said, if I'm rolling, I mean, I'm not really tired and we're back there just what, like 20 minutes, 30's all right. I guess, I mean, like you said, if I'm rolling, I mean, I'm not really tired. And we're back there just, what, like 20 minutes, 30 minutes doing nothing. He comes, the coach comes in for the last, what, like three minutes. Like three minutes and then say what we got to do. And then it's like we're back out there. So it's like, I mean, it's whatever.

Starting point is 00:22:16 I mean, there's no halftime in boxing and none of that type of shit. It's been abused, right? Let's say if we use the two quarters like we're supposed to use it, play our heart out, leave it on the floor, halftime is needed. We need halftime. We need to regroup. We need to recalibrate, re-strategize. Because now usually we use the first half is to see what they're going to do,

Starting point is 00:22:38 what they got, how they're going to mix up, how they're going to do coverages, all this shit. Second half, we throw in our wrench. Shit we didn't use in the first half, we throw in the second half. A bunch of other different shit. So I look at it like, if you're going to take out halftime, you take it out because the guys are not really playing hard and they don't need it. But if you playing hard and you need that, what is it, 20 minutes?

Starting point is 00:23:03 Is it 20? 15, I think. 15, 20 minutes? That's a good, I mean, but like he said, it could take away your momentum if you rolling, right? But at the same time, that momentum is still going to be there when you come back out because you still got that feeling. This is my question for y'all.

Starting point is 00:23:16 This is something I've always... 15 to 20 minutes. No, I think it's like 20 minutes. It has to be longer than that. Yeah, it's almost 30, I think. Man, motherfuckers be getting massages back there. It's a long time. It is a long time. It's officially 15, but it's a long time.

Starting point is 00:23:24 It's a 20 minutes. That's be longer than that. Yeah, it's almost 30. I think I'm gonna be getting massaged back there It's a long time 15 but I think they start that clock. I think once the courts courts are clear not I guess it's a little slow You got to get the red pen out. Yeah But then now if you take away half-time or if you take away that you're taking away halftime shows you're taking away I think a lot of it too has to do with the fans Like you have to give fans the opportunity to get up, go to the bathroom so they don't miss something.

Starting point is 00:23:48 That's a big time to go to the bathroom, get snacks. Got to go get some concessions, all that shit. Spend money, do all that. Sponsor things. The halftime shows are usually always trash though. Yeah. Let's be honest. That's probably why you say you don't need it.

Starting point is 00:24:00 Like the panda lady, them cups and shit. You not rocking with the balls? Hell no. That shit be falling all over. You that should be the lady with the dress to turn all The balls be fucking falling off man get your sit down As a general fan watching we always think oh y'all go back in there and they're game planning and diagramming and trying to figure out What the strategy lunch? Y'all just be in there chillin? Man, on the phone. We be on the phone. We be on the phone. Hey, if I'm playing well, hey, you see Shorty right here? Oh, yeah. Like, yeah.

Starting point is 00:24:29 Back then, we wasn't able to do it. It was boring back then. We was in the locker room. It was like, I'm about to go shoot, man. You gonna come shoot? Hey, listen, if it's a fight that happened, like y'all arguing on the court, you need half time to get away from the fans. For sure.

Starting point is 00:24:37 I mean, it all depends, right? Yeah. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. You can do it. Listen, if it's a fight that happened, like y'all arguing on the court, you need halftime to get away from the fans.

Starting point is 00:24:46 For sure. I mean, it all depends, right? You can technically do halftime right there on the court. Yeah. Man, we'll sit down. AAU style. Some colleges do that shit too. You can.

Starting point is 00:24:57 Just sit right there. Go where you go. Go to the back. That's what I said. It's more for logistics of just some guys need to change out of stuff change back into stuff You know, maybe he need to get stretch a little bit more. So, okay, it all serves a purpose I guess So can't be there halftime in college is fun because that shit is always rocking. Yeah, I feel like you know You got for the atmosphere like the atmosphere

Starting point is 00:25:21 I think for college it works cuz they got the band and shit at the band They got you know getting the crowd height Yeah, we didn't do shit in college either It was usually no, it's kind of like You drop 32 then drop 32, but did y'all walk out with the the tub? Oh I did Do what I did my favorite guilt memory Wow 32 in the second. Yeah zero in the half, 32 in the second half of overtime. Amazing game. And you lost?

Starting point is 00:25:50 To me, I... We got them though. Y'all play hard though. He said y'all play hard. Y'all try. I won. Y'all try. I won.

Starting point is 00:25:58 I don't know where you're coming from. Listen, he got six tattoos of himself. If I played well and we lost, I won. If we won and I played bad, I lost. I lost. I lost. I lost. I lost. I lost. I where your confidence is. He got six tattoos of himself. If I played well and we lost, I won. If we won and I played bad, I won.

Starting point is 00:26:11 What year was that? What year was that? 01, I think. I won. It doesn't matter. You always won. I always win. I was red shirt in that year, but we were like, all right.

Starting point is 00:26:20 You know, you find yourself over point of cheer for like, God, he be cooking the fuck out of us. He got a little hotter down. He got it cheer for like I didn't kicking the fuck out Loving in the second hand Let's keep this thing moving and shaking NBA coaching carousels coming together Bucks got Adrian Griffin six has replaced the doc with a nurse and the Detroit Pistons just made former Sunshot caller 2022 coach of the year Monty Williams, the highest-paid coach in NBA history. Williams agreed to a six-year, $78.5 million deal that could be worth up to $100 million with incentives.

Starting point is 00:26:52 Williams did lead the Suns to the 2021 NBA Finals. As we remember, they got 50-piece by Giannis, took that L. His postseason record, though, is 29-27, including the loss of the Nuggets this season. Can Monte bring the Pistons back to glory, or is he just going to be collecting a fat check? Collecting a fat check. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:27:10 What did he do? Where does this claim to fame so far? He brought the Suns from poverty, too. He did? He brought the Suns? He was there. You know how it goes if you're the coach. Who y'all going to give the credit to? Who was it for, the Earl? Who was there. He was the he was there. He was the coach. You know how it goes If you're the coach, who y'all gonna give the credit to who was for the earl?

Starting point is 00:27:28 How y'all going who you gonna get a credit to who you giving the credit to? Come on, man Are we gonna be we can't be hypocrites about who we're giving credit to when the team is being led by a coach, right? They don't win it all is he a losing coach or a winning coach. This is a winning season He had what four winning seasons. Yeah best best record. But he didn't win it all and he took them n****s from nothing to Booker to nothing to nothing. Yeah, before CP got there better. Nothing before CP got there when CP got there. It was CP and Booker now. They went to the finals. They went they got to the finals one. How many years has he been there? He's been there since 2019. Four years. Four years.

Starting point is 00:28:05 CP's been there what, three years? They got four winning seasons. So they went to the finals the second season, lost in the conference semis. What did they do the first year? Poverty. No, that's what they- 34 and 39. 34 and 39.

Starting point is 00:28:16 Wait a minute. The bubble was fucking terrible. I just thought about it. They did run the bubble. They went like, ooh, they want to eat in the fucking bubble. Ain't no ooh. That's just momentum for them. He laid the foundation, Gil.

Starting point is 00:28:27 So basically the only two good seasons was last, the year they went to the championship and last year? Yes, yes. The year before that. No, it was three years. All three, all three years. The bubble, it was 2020. No, the bubble was the first year.

Starting point is 00:28:40 They wasn't good in the bubble. They was. They won eight straight. In the bubble. Yeah, that's why the bubble don't count for the championship. They won eight straight. In the bubble. Yeah. That's why the bubble don't count for the championship. Did they make the playoff? The bubble, yeah, don't matter.

Starting point is 00:28:52 None of that shit matters. What I'm saying is, did they make the playoffs in the bubble? No. No. They missed it out by one game, right? Yeah, and they won all eight. It was unrealistic. But it was building. That was them nothing coming to, oh, my God, they won eight straight.

Starting point is 00:29:08 Booker got some momentum. And then the next year they get CP. And it's like. Think about what I'm saying. They won every single game and didn't make the playoffs. They were there just for the name. They didn't have enough ammo that year. They got the ammo the next year.

Starting point is 00:29:22 They didn't have enough. I guess you're not listening. Yes. How many teams got brought back to the bubble? Teams that were going to make the playoffs. And a few outliers. So they just brung them for the name itself. We know. That's fine. They won all

Starting point is 00:29:38 eight, didn't make the playoffs. So if you just did what everyone else did, don't bring this sorry-ass team back. We know. So they did not have a good year. They didn't. I'm not saying, oh, you weren't eating the bubble. You were a good coach. That's what we're saying is that Montee had those eight wins

Starting point is 00:29:52 to give him momentum into the next year, which became a winning season outside of the bubble. Now we start a full real season. Now we go into the second season, another winning season. KD comes. Third season. Winning season. Playoffs.

Starting point is 00:30:09 We lose. It's short. Now they fire him. Now he got a good bag because he got a good resume. That ain't no good resume. Three winning seasons and you get the highest pay? Nigga won a championship and had number one, two, one championship and got fired. So you're saying he doesn't deserve the highest paid ever is what you're saying.

Starting point is 00:30:27 But this is the thing. You had to know there's a bidding war. So if you really want him, he probably played them all against each other. And he hot. And he hot. He's black. But he hot. That's all I was waiting for.

Starting point is 00:30:37 I'm not mad at the 78. That's cool. What you mad about then? I'm just saying he's just there for a bag because ain't no way you're gonna try to win it duplicate it You don't have no Devin Booker in there. No, well, you know, that's a potential play. That's why they paid him so much It's basically him taking the Wayne Casey's little graveyard the way and then Sam put some life into this. Yeah We got some talent over here. They do have some some talent, but I mean, they will make the playoffs in the next two years Hey, they won't they won't

Starting point is 00:31:04 Go show potential just like the Kings in the next two years. They won't. Probably won't. They won't. But in the third or fourth year, they're going to show potential, just like the Kings. In the Eastern Conference, though? They can't make the top ten in the Eastern Conference? I think they can, man. They can break. 78 million? 78 million.

Starting point is 00:31:15 Six years. 78 million. You better get me to the Eastern Conference. Something. Something. Something. I need an MVP on my team. I need a leading scorer.

Starting point is 00:31:23 If we're going to be sorry, whoever my best player is better lead the league in scoring. There's going to be something over here. Are we going to give him the weapons that he needs? Hell no. Okay, so is it unrealistic? The expectation isn't even high. Is it unrealistic? You can't expect Eastern Conference finals.

Starting point is 00:31:39 And you don't got no weapons. Let y'all know how stupid teams are. Well, yeah. I know I'm not bringing nobody here. I know this city sucks. They just wanted him. I know all things in Detroit ain't right. Where do they have the third round?

Starting point is 00:31:53 They got the third pick. Detroit is coming back, yeah. Why am I paying $78 million? What if they got the third pick? What'd they get? I don't give a fuck who they get. No, I'm just saying they might have sold that to him. Like, they probably sold themselves to him.

Starting point is 00:32:03 What I'm saying is if I know that as an owner, why am I paying and putting so much money in just 78 million? If I know that I had to afford a coach on what reality is. Reality is not putting

Starting point is 00:32:19 78 million dollars in a coach that this is what I have. Right. If he wins 20 30 games 40 games 45 but they could as a as a as the owner is that enough for the 78 Possibly if they're planning on taking one more two years get some draft picks and then you have the right coach with the right pieces They could all work out 11 million a year? 12. For a winning season, though? He can more than pop. For a winning season? He can more than pop right now. Would you give him that for a winning season

Starting point is 00:32:48 if you ain't had no winning seasons in six years? No. 11 million a year? For a winning season? 11 million a year? 11 million for your coach to bring you a winning season and you ain't had no winning season in the past. Y'all not thinking realistic if you don't believe that that's why.

Starting point is 00:33:06 I can intern whoever I just fired him. He's pennies on the dollar. And you're not going to get a winning season, though. Cool. Yeah, I am. Who's a free agent? You haven't done it. Who's a free agent?

Starting point is 00:33:15 Exactly what we're talking about. I have $12 million extra to pay whoever. No. But whoever not just going to walk a team into the Eastern Conference something. Yeah, you're going to need a coach. But a coach is going to walk. That's why I said it's a building. It's a building process.

Starting point is 00:33:28 Montee Williams has the resume to do so. Yeah. I'm turning your franchise around, you know. He has the resume. Yes. It takes time. It takes time. I have the second youngest player in NBA history to score over 60 points,

Starting point is 00:33:41 and he scored 72. That's who he has to build around. He don't got that over there. He didn't know that he had that in Booker until Booker did it with Earl Watson. So, listen, if somebody on Detroit can come out to be like the new Devin

Starting point is 00:33:58 Booker, it's going to be undermining. You got Kay Cunningham over here. You got a young roster. It's some good... And Wiseman is over there. Wiseman fresh over there. Okay, kind of hammer you got a you got a Some negative roster. There's some good Why he got why it is over there why has been fresh over there six years 68 78.78 So how long are we giving him to have a winning season? Six years four years. What's the winning season? He got a few women so what's the winning season? Over 500. 42 and 40.

Starting point is 00:34:26 Over 500. I've been at 48 million for 42 and 40? You haven't been that. Over 500. You haven't been that. And that over 500 is gonna get you to the playoffs. Baby steps. It's gonna get you 8-7 seed. That's like a 7 seed. It's gonna get you 8-7 seed in the East. Just to follow up with that, now if you pop Steve Kerr, even Mike Malone now, who's probably going to win a championship this year, you're doing a little pocket watching. Is it time to renegotiate? I'm going to say that same shit Kenyon Martin said when he was a free agent. He said, you work for 84 million? He said, y'all just paid a dude, was it 40 million for three and three.

Starting point is 00:35:09 Three points, three rebounds. Three points, three rebounds. Should I give you six and six for 80? What I'm saying is I'm Steve Kerr. This is 78 million for six years. Well, yeah, the needle's been moved. I won four championships. I won 300 million. The needle's been moved. And I'm going to sit'm Steve Kerr. This is $78 million for six years. I have four championships. I want $300 million.

Starting point is 00:35:27 The needle's been moved. And I'm going to sit up with a straight-ass face. That's not outlandish to say, bro. Six years, $300 million. That's up to Steve Kerr to ask for that shit. Like, Steve, are you worth that shit? Y'all mad at a man for going? I've been in the finals, what, ten times?

Starting point is 00:35:42 I wouldn't give a shit. I wouldn't give a shit if I didn't win any games. If I get $78 million, I got $78 million. Give me that Bob Myers bag. I'm not mad. Listen, he put the price up for everybody, but if I'm everybody else looking at his resume, $78 million? You got to do better than what my resume is to get what I got.

Starting point is 00:36:02 I mean, that's what I'm saying. His resume ain't. Exactly. Nick Nurse? Solid. I'm saying his resume Exactly Nick nurse Solid shit. I'm going back to fill a hold on He went to the chip I I got a chip. Yeah. Give me 140. Hey. Give me 140, 140, seven years. Seven years.

Starting point is 00:36:30 Let's keep this thing moving. Let's talk about Adrian Griffin. Was Nick's nurse, top assistant with the Raptors the past four seasons. Coach career started in Milwaukee as an assistant with Scott Schiles. Brandon, you were there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:36:40 I think for his second season as an assistant coach. Yeah. So I'll ask you first, what are the bucks getting with Adrian Griffin as their head coach? Well, he put in the time, put in a lot of years. I remember when he first came in, he was my assistant. Great guy on and off the court, all about the game of basketball, good teacher.

Starting point is 00:36:56 So I think the Bucks, you know, the Bucks gonna be right back where they belong. I think it was a good pickup. It was a safe one too. Cause he already knows the city, already knows things about Milwaukee. And some Bucs fans were bitching, saying, we need an established guy. But it's obviously Giannis had some say and input in this decision.

Starting point is 00:37:13 What does established mean? Adrian Griffin, not only been there. The retread. And he played, too. He's established in the NBA. In the NBA world, he's established. He's a former Buc. You know what I'm saying? And he know the game. in the NBA world. He's established. He's a flame of buck Yeah, I'm saying and he know the game like you said he played with I think he played with Dallas

Starting point is 00:37:30 You know, he's gonna be Dallas final team in 06 play with the Bulls. Yeah, Celtics man. All it Rockets Why your face like that I'm wondering how come How come the greats From the other eras get these great coaches but the superstars today get a whole bunch of newbies and a whole bunch of try-ins

Starting point is 00:37:54 and a bunch of coaches that's just running around? Because I think it's different. The guys, I feel like guys in the league are just different. They can't handle that. They can't handle that. They can't handle them old coaches.

Starting point is 00:38:07 What I'm saying is we're sitting here like when we're talking about legacies and we're talking about top fives, right? We're talking about top fives and we do all this back and forth. What team is this and this? And no one's factoring in coaches. The greats are being coached by greats while their comparisons has been coached by nobody. So the reference of information is not here, right?

Starting point is 00:38:38 So if Pop, you know, Pop is giving Wimby all of his knowledge from all these years. That's an advantage to his greatness versus everybody else who has no reference. Like LeBron's reference of basketball knowledge is him learning himself, not Phil Jackson. He has rookie coaches every step of the way. So what we're seeing is his greatness by himself. That has to be factored in when we argue even with Kobe. Kobe you have Phil Jackson who had Michael Jordan who like that's

Starting point is 00:39:16 an advantage for you versus someone who's sitting there looking at playbooks himself looking that's a different. Yeah. And that's why I'm like, you know, Giannis, but damn, there's three coaches he had. He had J.Kid. Boonehoser. Booner. And now. And now.

Starting point is 00:39:36 Griffin. Yeah. So what are you trying to say, Giannis? I feel like this is a group of guys that kind of went through the league. Now you still only have a couple stragglers that are the OG coaches, and now it's just a new batch of niggas. It's just a new batch, and I guess they all need time. Everybody needs time.

Starting point is 00:39:53 I don't know my time. The players are more sensitive. They can't handle a lot of these great coaches, though. They're sensitive. First of all, some of these coaches are dumb. Some of them are dumb. You ever seen some? You ever say, oh, we're going to go under on Brandon Jennings.

Starting point is 00:40:09 All right. I'm done. Go under, huh? All right. I don't want to throw nobody under. Who's scouting to put like under? I don't want to throw nobody under the bus. But who do you think, so who out there? He would say dumb shit.

Starting point is 00:40:22 But who's out there though? Like, yo, my nigga, what? Who's out there that you feel like is a veteran coach that can actually get the job done like that. There has to be people to be in those because you can't say, oh, well, we don't have any great coaches, but there's not anybody available. Who's available? That's great.

Starting point is 00:40:39 I think it's good coaches. I think just the game is just bad. Now the game is it a basketball? It ain't basketball. It's like it's hard to teach. It's hard to it's hard for it. We're not playing and we're not running sets. We ain't doing schemes. We playing the game of basketball. Now we're playing pickup coaches not even in there watching us play pickup. So when they see us out there playing it like what the fuck are they out there doing? Oh, you ain't never seen them play pickup in the summer. That's what they doing out there. Oh, no, no, no, no listen

Starting point is 00:41:10 I'm I did a breakdown I was watching Jalen Brown's eight turnovers They these they running five out They these they running five out Motion they taking turns I love running motion every time with no motion no motion Technically they're running technically Shell drill what we do at the beginning swing it swing it let the defense move through the offense don't move They're not even passing cuts through so they're just sitting there around. Someone tries to take it off the top like, I don't know what sports y'all

Starting point is 00:41:47 been watching. This is the worst offense if you are a creator. Wow. You're just passing it. He stands there. He passes. He backs up. He passes. There's not a driving gap in passing. There's none of that. It's the coach. Because there ain't no organization of what

Starting point is 00:42:03 we doing out here. And then he out here doing this or do like okay. What was the what's that play? This is all equal opportunity motion go I'm lying whoever has the ball in their hand with ten seconds left seems to be the one that can go one on one read So what percent of the team success you attribute to the culture a coach is just out there Jack and shine, but who's a good coach to you the coach or a coach that's just out there, jack and shine? But who's a good coach to you? Who's a good coach? Yeah, you ain't answering that.

Starting point is 00:42:28 Who's a pro? Because I can look at his lineup and look at the team and say, damn, you are maximizing your talent. No, but I'm saying who's not available, who's not coaching right now that you feel like should have some of these jobs that these nobody coaches are getting? You got Mark Jackson. I don't think they're ever gonna hire him. Oh no, you just asked me. I didn't say if they were gonna hire him or not. You know, somebody that's actually available for hire.

Starting point is 00:42:52 Avery Johnson was a great coach back then. Old school though. Old school, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about the Van Gundy boys? I don't know. Hell no! I don't like either one of them. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't really know I don't like either one of them. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I don't really know Jeff as a coach. Stan.

Starting point is 00:43:10 I like Stan, man. Listen, I don't like Stan as a person because I just think, you know, especially with athletes at that age, you know, these are not 23, 24, 25-year-olds coming in, 18, 19, 20. They can't handle the stand every day. But as a coach, plays, discipline, I will hire him to build my foundation. He's a foundational coach. Like every coach that

Starting point is 00:43:45 has to start Houston, I'll hire him in Houston 100%. If Houston's looking for a new Stan Van Gundy, four years, tell him, all right, good job. Orlando, too. And now you can take that and build a coach

Starting point is 00:44:01 who can build them from here to here. There's the levels of coaches. There's builders, there's mids, and then there's championship-type coaches. Now, if you take a championship-type of coach and put him on any other, he can't perform. You can't tell Phil Jackson to coach Houston Rockets. Look at Pop with Tim Duncan and then look at him with this new one. These new ones he's like... Who you want to put in?

Starting point is 00:44:35 All right, go get that one. They ain't even coaching because it's like, what am I doing? What is this? This is not... I'm used to winning and if I try to put what I'm doing It's unrealistic who they are right now, you know, I think would be a good coastal grant Hill Grant Hill Grant Hill. I

Starting point is 00:44:53 Mean any ex-player technically can actually be a good coach depending on what type of play Kenny Smith He says would be dope. I think he'd be good I think about you and Kenny Smith like you know Ewing? I don't fuck with Kenny Smith like that. Ewing? Yeah. I don't fuck with Kenny like that, but I think he a good basketball mind. Kenny Smith would be cool, because he's cool, he's still like- He is old school. It would be interesting to see how he would approach the game, knowing that he know that

Starting point is 00:45:16 the game is changing. Like, would he go back to the old shit? That's how Byron Scott was. He was like a death camp motherfucker, want to run, run, run, run, run. Which is weird when... Yeah, I heard about him. It's weird because he had... He was Showtime.

Starting point is 00:45:30 Yep. Which was his opposite of... And that's what JR and CP was saying. And BD was even telling me. He was like, it was weird because Byron, you want to drill, drill, drill, and we're supposed to be out here... Running, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 00:45:40 Showtime, and we don't play nothing like that. But it makes sense because, obviously, if you're running like Showtime did, you had to be in shape. You had to be in shape, yeah. What time and we don't play to nothing like that But that but it makes sense because obviously if you're running like Showtime did you had to be had to be in shape? Yeah, what about JJ Redick? As a coach, I think he's more upper management. So yeah Good last week. I think you said JJ He's gonna be one of those guys that'd be like coach and General manager you need to be running shit. Okay.

Starting point is 00:46:07 And do you guys respect the coach more when they've actually played in the league? I know, you know, some former players have done well in that position. Some haven't. Some have been good. I do personally because it's not about, it's about the season, right? Unless you play the game, you can understand how the season is going, right? So you can look and say, all right, we're going to need a day off here, here, here. You can watch the mood of players and give days off, knowing cities where, you know, you might let players roam a little bit more

Starting point is 00:46:38 or versus not, right, by their mood, unless you've played the game and been in the NBA and been through those situations. As a coach, you wouldn't know. I have a hard time respecting anybody that didn't do what I'm doing. I don't care what it is. I hate overweight personal trainers. I'm not listening to you. It's just certain things that you have to look the part.

Starting point is 00:47:01 You have to have done it. You have to be in it. You know what I mean? It's just something for me visually to know that, to see that. I just feel like sometimes it's hard to listen to somebody that hasn't done what you've done. Like Dennis with janky teeth or Barbers with fucked up hair lines. The barrier I have is knowing that a lot of the coaches

Starting point is 00:47:21 who haven't played don't know how to particularly connect with the players, right? And that's important to me, and that's a lot of the coaches who haven't played don't know how to particularly connect with the players right and that's important to me and that's a lot of the conflict I had with coaches is they they're not knowing how to approach me how to talk to me how to engage right and I think as a grown man as a coach you should know how to do that with players especially young players so the former players they have that engagement understanding between the two. And even though a guy like Kevin McHale, former player, clashed, Randy Whitman, former player, clashed, but it was on some jealousy shit, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:47:57 So if you're dealing with a jealous teammate, you know what kind of clash you might be dealing with. So when you deal with former players like that as your coach, you may come into that, but you got to be understanding of what position you in as a player. Like, I can't go clash with him because he's my coach and a former player. I got to be the player. So I see, like, the older coaches that haven't played, especially nowadays in this generation, it's going to be a harder time for them to connect because they don't know when these players are going through mental sides, where they're struggling offensively. You don't know what to say are going through mental sighs where they struggling offensively don't know you don't know what to say the former player know he's struggling I've been on a 10-game road trip before

Starting point is 00:48:30 it is a seed like it's usually the little things like I can gauge like a player right yeah I'm a player I played I've been there I've seen it but I can look at a player that comes in the locker room I can see if his swag is he's ready to go or he got in a fight with his girlfriend Mm-hmm. All right, you can see you can watch Right so it's like all right. Yeah. All right. Listen the first five plays gonna go to him I got to see what he gonna give me. Yeah, all right Yeah, you know I might have a whole different thing, you know.

Starting point is 00:49:06 You might be the star and we not. Let me go ahead and try to get him going real quick to see, you know, if he's really affected. As coaches, they don't know that. Right? They just think that everything is just motherfucking amazing outside. Like, you got to know how to turn it. You got to know, like, let's say I have a bench player.

Starting point is 00:49:25 We're going to say Kenny Lofton Jr. Right? I got Kenny Lofton Jr. And we playing OKC. He my guy don't play at all. But I know one person he plays very well against every single time. My first sub, Kenny Lofton. Yep. Get him. Because I know he's afraid of you. Get him. And let him go to work. Because I know one person, everyone has a matchup that they hate. Yes. He might not be good. He just, for some reason, he matchup well against you.

Starting point is 00:49:59 And I would put the bully in, let him get that confidence. And it's just those things. But as a player, coach, you would know that because. And it's just those things. But as a player, coach, you would know that because you've seen it thousands of times. You know who else I think would be a good coach? Rondo. Rondo. I think Rondo would be a good coach.

Starting point is 00:50:15 Real name. He's verified. Let's talk about another coach on the move. Nick Nurse had the option between coaching the Suns with KD and Devin Booker or coming to the Sixers with Embiid but Harden hitting free agency. Did Nick Nurse make the right decision picking the Sixers over the Suns? Not to me.

Starting point is 00:50:33 Hell no. Not to me, no. Hell no. The only positive I think maybe possibly is because it's still in the East and it's easier to get there in the East. But other than that, it was a terrible decision to me. You're right. I mean, if you're trying to collect wins, I mean, I guess if you're trying to collect

Starting point is 00:50:52 wins and you want to say, oh, I went to the second round, I went to the Eastern Conference, that's your thing. But your star player at this point in time is really gifted but really lazy Right and your whole job is depicted on him And how long is that that contract? Let me check because that's gonna be one of those that's gonna be one of those things where There might be a time where it is like we might want to just let him be go and right there You're fired did nurse get fired or did he yes?

Starting point is 00:51:27 This was his contract up. No, I think yeah, okay, so that was the reason why I took the job I'm a standees. I'm gonna take a job. I'm taking the Suns where I got where I mean who went for the new owner Right, there's like a whole word for it. It's like brand-new. That's your that's a great time Did they did but I'm into the new although I don't like I think Nick nurse with them is it's a big market too So Nick nurse is opening up into a big market Filling pictures. Yeah and filling Doc Rivers shoes. That's something to prove What shoes? Exactly. It's something to prove. It's just the fact that the name is there is like Oh doc was here

Starting point is 00:52:03 Let me do let me do better than him. Let me figure out how to do better than him. So Sixers haven't released details on that Nurse contract just yet, but you talked about Embiid obviously taking some issue with him not playing hard enough. So if you're Nick Nurse, what are you telling Embiid he needs to do to become a championship player? Same shit the other coaches probably told him. And that he ain't doing.

Starting point is 00:52:22 That he ain't doing. Listen, if you play like, if your energy was like Giannis, you would probably be top five player ever. If not, you're going to be you, which is still great. 30 and 10, that's what I said. But, again, it's the whole notion of when you're succeeding doing something, are you content? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:52:46 Right? Like he's averaging 30 and 10. Is he content? He got the MVP? Yeah. Is he content? Like he looked at the numbers and said, yeah, this is, I ain't doing nothing wrong. It ain't me.

Starting point is 00:52:59 It's the culture's telling him that though. The culture is okay with you just being MVP. You just 30 and 10. That's okay, bro. You don't have to win. That's why I say, man, we always had these arguments on winning and stats. It's like, bro, winning is so much more important even to the guys getting the stats and the accomplishments.

Starting point is 00:53:20 They know they feel like something's left out of them. I'm missing something. What is it? Validation that you are a winner. Because if you're not a winner, you're just chasing accolades. And we all know your accolades can be replaced by the next guy who just like you. He hungry to get that accolade. So it's going to always be something. But a winner, you can't replace winning, man. It's a championship. I can always revert back to my first AAU championship. I'm a champion. I won when I was six. I still got the medal. You go up and you keep winning, you understand what winning is. Even when you lose, you're like, all right, we took this on the head. I'm going to take my L, but we're going to come back. This year was

Starting point is 00:54:00 a fucking failure. We're going to come back next year. It wasn't a step to success. No steps. It was we fail. Okay We got to get up though. We get back up and we keep going Yeah Any final thoughts? No There's just some jobs out there man. I Just wouldn't take if I'm a coach right now if I'm a coach and I want to be a coach,

Starting point is 00:54:27 and they say, all right, we got Philly or Houston. You got four years. I'm going to go Houston. Yeah. Because Houston hasn't, they haven't been rewarded. They haven't been rewarded for bad behavior. Right? Like those kids haven't actually been rewarded with nothing. So haven't been rewarded for bad behavior. Right? Like those kids haven't actually been rewarded with nothing.

Starting point is 00:54:48 So there's no rookie of the year. They're not making all teams. They haven't been rewarded for them to go into the summer to continue that this is good. He has. Right? Yeah. Me, personally, as just, if I'm the owner, I'm sorry. If I'm the owner, I'd have been, hey, Commissioner, please do not give him the MVP.

Starting point is 00:55:12 I need him to improve. I need him to lose. To stay hungry. So he can actually get mad enough to come in this motherfucker, shredded, 20 pounds less or something. Like the NBA did this shit to Kobe Bryant. He became selfish, wanted to show the world who he was. And they were like, nah, you got to be a winner. So what did he do?

Starting point is 00:55:42 All right, cool. Gasol, this, this, this. All right, I want tool, this, this, this. All right. I want to, where my MVP at now? Right? You changed what he would have, he already had three championships by, he would have tried to break

Starting point is 00:55:55 every scoring record Jordan had if the NBA didn't penalize him. Like we know he has more than one MVP. But the NBA did that The writers did that and the same thing with him be why if you think he's that great penalize them so he can tap into it You didn't put him on a defensive team you can see his mind. Oh, this is what we doing now? Yeah. Exactly. People are wrestling bulls right now. So, yeah.

Starting point is 00:56:27 What the hell am I out there doing, right? Yeah, yeah. But, like, with Embiid, like, some people might – some people don't agree with what I agree with you, but some people don't agree that he's lazy or he – they're like, are you crazy? He's getting 30 and 10. So I can see the coach thinking, like, this is a win going to get an MVP.

Starting point is 00:56:44 You know, he did get it and everything. But as an organization, you have to look at who they've been drafting, how they have failed and failed and failed on all these first-round draft picks. Then they went and got Doc Rivers. That's a bad coaching decision. They've just been making bad decisions as an organization for the last, like, decade, I want to say. And that right there would have been enough for me to go to Phoenix they got Tyrese max your man they've got I always tell him no better leaders yeah no no yeah

Starting point is 00:57:10 because he's a vet like PJ huh no he's no he's going with James right I tell Philly fans this I said when Philly Philly fans get mad and say what he wouldn't what do you mean he didn't play he's not in shape he don't play hard I say all right you had a superstar there by the name of Allen Iverson. Does he play as hard as Allen Iverson? No. They cannot say. They'd be like, no.

Starting point is 00:57:34 There you go. They'll say for a big man he does. No, not for a player. Did he give? Does he give his all like Allen Iverson did for y'all he should be the staple of what a superstar should play like Every single night for Philly fans. Does he give? Possessions of that or does he not just do that all the time Allen Iverson did that? 48 minutes

Starting point is 00:58:02 Four or five times the possession he'll give it to you three, four, five times the possession. But he'll give it to you sometimes. Here and there. I didn't know. Why would I? So he has it. We're not saying he don't got it. No, he don't have it because he's not in shape enough to continue it. That's the problem.

Starting point is 00:58:13 I want to say we've seen what he's capable of. Yeah, he knows he's capable of the plan. But he can't do it the whole game because he's not built like that. I don't want to be a broken clock twice. Right. I want to be, you know, twice. I want to be a right clock broken two times. I don't want to be 12 hours or 24 hours.

Starting point is 00:58:32 I don't want to be right twice. I want to be right or wrong two times. That's how it is. Allen Iverson's here. You want to be considered a Philly great? This is who you have to play like this is the type of Energy, that's the you have this you have the skill. We're not saying skill and talent Well Barkley had that same energy you talking about so it was the same motor AI and bar you don't know Moses Malone to AI

Starting point is 00:58:58 Most Malone dr. J He played hard energy. Yeah, gon' be good. Yeah. Mo Cheeks was a cool coach. He was cool. Mo Cheeks? I heard a lot about him as a coach, yeah. I was getting off in Detroit with Mo Cheeks. They fired him.

Starting point is 00:59:13 Even smooth bad Dr. J played hard, didn't he? Goddamn, he played hard. Dr. J? Yeah, Dr. J. Smooth bad Doc. Doc played hard every day. All right, well, let's get into these NBA finals. It's been long enough.

Starting point is 00:59:24 It's 1230 on the West Coast, 1231 to be exact. So game one of the NBA finals is here. But before we talk about heat nuggets, let's go back down memory lane. There's been some amazing finals moments throughout the years. Miguel, I'm going to start with you. What's your favorite NBA finals moment? Kobe. Ooh, yes. This is the finals moment against Indiana. Kobe.

Starting point is 00:59:45 Ooh, yes. This is the finals, when I was against Indiana, when Kobe hurt his ankle, and then he's riding Shaq, right? And then they didn't know if he was gonna play, came back and won that series, right? Like, they hurt in game two and then came back. Yeah, that's cold. 2000, right?

Starting point is 01:00:04 Let's go 2000. Right? 2000, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because I just went to college. Yeah. Yeah. Mine would have to be AI game one. Oh, that's mine. AI game one, 48. The 48 points. The step over. Lakers. Yeah. LeBron shot. I seen LeBron block the game seven in Golden State. And then, of course, you know, the Bucks in six. So you were there live for game seven?

Starting point is 01:00:27 Yeah. Against the Oakland Warriors? Yes, yeah. In Oracle. The Oakland Warriors. LeBron beat that shit. The Oakland Warriors. Greatest comeback in NBA history.

Starting point is 01:00:35 Yeah, those three. Okay. I think this is pretty easy for me. D-Wade, Dallas. I think it was a pretty easy for me. D-Wade. Dallas. I think it was. 06? 06, game six. When he had like 40 something?

Starting point is 01:00:52 When he had like 40 something? He was just doing all kinds of flippity doo shit. Man, that nigga was going crazy. Yeah. That's when I was like, hey, Flash. Flash. Woo! It was him, you and him, y'all two.

Starting point is 01:01:06 Flash. And I was supposed to go there. Flash was scary. Flash was scary. You was supposed to go to Miami? D-Wade is different. Yeah, 43 in game five, I think. Different.

Starting point is 01:01:15 D-Wade was different. I was supposed to go there. Miami? Mm-hmm. I was a free agent when they were drafting him, and they were going to put us at the one and the two. Ooh, shit. That would have been scary.

Starting point is 01:01:23 That would have been scary. That would have been scary. That would have been scary. That would have been scary. The one and two they just said Pat said he didn't believe in paying young players that much. That wasn't proven cuz I was only like 120 games in between the two years and the price I was asking for he was like mine is the the game one against the Lakers. I got I caught so much hell because my whole family is Laker fans or whatever. I knew the Lakers was going to win the series. But I'm an Iverson fan.

Starting point is 01:01:51 He's my goat. He's my favorite player of all time. Like, there's no question. So I was really cheering for him. And so for them to get that game one off and the way he played, I was like, I was in college, too. I was going crazy. I thought it was going to be an upset. After game one, I'm like, oh was in college, y'all was going crazy. I thought it was going to be an upset.

Starting point is 01:02:06 After game one, I'm like, oh, AI about to get one. I was hyped. I knew Kobe was about to, I knew it was going to be. They ran off like four in a row. Yes. They didn't get him in sleep after that. They didn't Kobe showed up. They ran off four.

Starting point is 01:02:17 Like if AI would have won a ring, you know how, bro, he would have been. Man, that would have been. That's all he needed. Ignorant. That's when I got the tattoo after that game one. Then Shaq showed up and was like, who guarding me again? My tum?

Starting point is 01:02:26 Yeah, my child. Who is this? McCullough. Todd McCullough. Yeah, Todd McCullough. If you don't get your little ass from around here. Hey, now, now, that's that segue to the ass-whooping that's about to happen over here. Oh, you do a segue now, Gil.

Starting point is 01:02:41 I'm just saying. Put me out of business. That segue, that gentleman. Gentleman sweep. So, Nuggets have been big chilling after defeating the Lakers in the appropriate amount of games to advance to the finals. We're not going to say the S word on this show. He ran through the Eastern Conference, obviously beat the Bucs,

Starting point is 01:02:57 beat the Celtics. Say it again for the people in the back. Don't leave the Knicks out of that. See, that's what's funny. People don't realize round two was Knicks. Ran through the Eastern. The best that the East had to offer. We don't even know none of their stats against New York.

Starting point is 01:03:15 We don't even know what the series was. They were just jogging. They were jogging through that. Someone said, yeah, they swept Knicks. Everybody was like, yeah, that was right. Wait, did they sweep the Knicks everybody like yeah Wait We didn't talk about we had other things to talk about Is that the fact that we didn't even know or talk about the Knicks Miami series because we already know who won.

Starting point is 01:03:45 It was in the rundown, but every show we would. We would spam in Lakers. So that's all we was doing. We were talking about everybody else to stick around the most important team in the Western Conference. And that's a big rival to like Miami Knicks. That's not very right. We talked about it.

Starting point is 01:04:00 It talked about it being a Knicks fan. We mentioned it like it was just it. We didn't talk about it being an event. We mentioned it like we don't talk about it. We thought to be for the games actually start. Yeah. Yeah, we didn't talk about none of the games. We talked about that the end when Julius Reynolds get stomped out in a car. No, no, no. Talk about the white. We saw him on the wife. What happened when they won game? No, we talked about that. No, it was against calves. No, it was no calves and Miami because Kenya was here. Yeah, can you can you with the cow?

Starting point is 01:04:35 We didn't talk about them winning one game. Yeah, cuz Julius Randall ran out to talk to his wife. Yeah. In Miami, they won in my So we spent more time in this this last three minutes arguing about That's neither here nor there people they demanded what they wanted they wanted to hear about Lakers LeBron James, you know 38 years old janky foot again Keep giving us our excuse with the janky foot. Again. Keep giving us our excuse.

Starting point is 01:05:05 With the janky foot. Did all he could with the team on his back, you know. Lost to the Nuggets in the least amount of games possible. Say it again? What was that? A call to sweep? We called that? Okay.

Starting point is 01:05:15 So Nuggets are a top team in the West. Mike Malone, I think he leaned in on that underdog card in the Western Semis against the Suns and against the Lakers, even though, again, the Nuggets were the top team in the West strategy with the he's a little different so Joker is the third player in history to enter the NBA Finals averaging a triple-double previous to to do it magic Johnson will Chamberlain both won championships of course so yesterday Joker was asked if he was the best player on the team here was his response it's hard to say because you

Starting point is 01:05:44 know sometimes I am sometimes I'm not and. I'm cool with that. I think everybody else is good with that. What did he say? So, Joker's two-time MVP. At any point are we going to talk about his lineup? That shit is fire. You like the military cut? For a European, for the Drago type, you know what I'm saying? Ivan Drago?

Starting point is 01:06:06 Yeah. All business. He all business. He didn't come with the parts. I was just thinking, I'm going to hire him as a security after he done, because this nigga's scary looking, big motherfucker. His big brothers. He probably ain't got hands.

Starting point is 01:06:18 But we don't know if they really got hands, Gil. Right. He probably got hands. They don't need hands, bro. They seven foot. Where you get your hands from? At some point, you do got hands. They don't need hands, bro. They seven foot. What you need hands for? At some point, you need hands. They just going to throw you around. They going to throw you around.

Starting point is 01:06:28 Attack the leg. You can get your seven foot ass knocked out, too. And they wrestle all day, so they like contact. They love the contact. So what is it, like three of them? Three of them. Like three or four of them? No, no.

Starting point is 01:06:38 Three totals all together. It's two brothers. It's two to one. And we're going to see when they pull up to Miami if they're still beefling green from that a marquee for more situation But that's neither here nor there. Yeah, so If the Nuggets win the finals and Joker plays at the level we've seen all playoffs Will Joker? Anything can happen here take off here take away and I read it again

Starting point is 01:07:03 Okay, the Nuggets win this finals and Joker plays the level we've all seen this playoff. Will Joker own the title best player in the world or does he already own that title? Best player? Best player in the world. MVP basically is what you're saying? No, the MVP is not the best player in the world. I'm saying best player in the world, stamped. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:07:22 I'm that nigga in Serbia. Right now? Listen, it sounds right now. You have to say this and it sounds like you're the best player in the world. I won a championship not because I want a championship because you also average triple-double and you won't have triple-double in the finals. It hasn't been done since who magic magic and we're in the 80s playing the world right now? Always as what does that mean? I thought it just meant like MVP of the league I'm him him

Starting point is 01:07:59 In the game Jonathan curry, what about it? They ain't, he ain't. Nope, they not here. I don't care about, no, that has nothing to do with the best player in the world. They don't have nothing to do with it. When Jordan averaged 35, he was the best player in the world every year after that. Okay. Even though he didn't win championships, he was the best player every year. I think because he hasn't been even put in the discussion

Starting point is 01:08:26 and for him to do what he's doing on this run and win a championship, he's at least in the conversation. Or he has a great-ass team with him, too. And he's great. He's the engine. No, he's good. He's good. He's the engine.

Starting point is 01:08:38 He's not one. He's two. He's not one. Who's the best player in the world, then? You don't want to call a big man the greatest. Is that what it is? Thank you. I'm not doing that.

Starting point is 01:08:50 I'm not doing that. Is that the best team in the world or is that the best player in the world? That means Boston Celtics. I mean, that means not Boston Celtics. That means one year. That means Detroit Pistons. One of them was considered the best player in the world. No, no.

Starting point is 01:09:00 Okay. Best team. Best team. Is Steph not the best player in the world? Last year. Yeah No this year, but this year right now, so you said whoever went to Tim, so it's year to year then Is the 2004 2004 one of those pissed at the best team the best team but Kobe Bryant was the best player in the world That the best team. Yeah, I think it cannot be you but it puts you in the world. They have the best team. They have the best team. I think it cannot be you,

Starting point is 01:09:26 but it puts you in the conversation. If you're one of the top five players in the league right now as far as stats, right? Play it. But even if it's

Starting point is 01:09:34 a two-time MVP, but they don't have him there, I don't know if it... No one's putting him in the top five of the league right now. Right now? Well, it has to be, bro.

Starting point is 01:09:42 He's triple, double. I know, I know, I get that, but top five. If someone says put out your top five, he's in the top five. He's in there. Who you gonna put in Right now right now. Well, I know I get that but He's in the top he's in there over him right I must say he's at the center No You said be lazy Which one would you like? 50 something, right? Which one would you pick? Ooh, ducked like 42, but I think early in the season. Which one would you pick? 50?

Starting point is 01:10:06 Which one would you pick? Ducked him later. It wasn't ducked early. Which one would you pick? Which one would you pick, Gilbert? It was in March. Nah, I don't think- It was January.

Starting point is 01:10:14 No, it wasn't. I don't think Embiid didn't play in the second game. Uh-uh. He didn't play. That was in April. We asked if he was ducking. No, what I'm saying, so you got Katie, you're going to Luka, you're gonna have Steph. Luka what, top five?

Starting point is 01:10:26 Steph. Dame. No, I'm just saying. But player- Listen, okay. Over Jokic? Instead of arguing, if I won the championship, I'm him, yes, I'm the best player,

Starting point is 01:10:37 and you're gonna have to prove it, yes. Yeah, but right now, if right now today I was starting my franchise, right now today, you could put a group of people in there. There's maybe LeBron and Steph that I might starting my franchise. Right now today. You could put a group of people in there. There's maybe LeBron and Steph that I might start my franchise with over him, but he's definitely like top five. He's definitely starting. Starting top five of each position in the league right now.

Starting point is 01:10:57 He's the center. And skill set. Like, no question. No, I get that. So if Jimmy wins it, he's the best? No. See? See, there you go.

Starting point is 01:11:05 No, he's not. He's just the the best leader leader the Kobe went when Detroit same thing Yeah, if Jimmy wins it all no no no no no no no If Jimmy wins the championship He's the best player in the world Hmm. Well that we know that I't happening. Why? Hands down. Why? Do you see who he has with him? Max?

Starting point is 01:11:29 No, no. Remember what we just said? No, no. We not considering the winning part. We not going to consider the winning part. We just say that. I'm Jimmy Butler and I got Max, who probably averaged four in the regular season. Who was the other one?

Starting point is 01:11:42 Gabe Vincent. Gabe Vincent who averaged nine in the regular season. Caleb Martin. Who got cut just a year ago, the twin? You already know twins. If they twins, they not that good. It's going to be one goal. It's like a superpower. One probably going to have 80% of the talent, the other one 20, but not one has

Starting point is 01:11:58 100. So who was that? I got him. I got Kevin Love. Who else I got? Bam out of bio. I got Bam. Kyle Low Kevin Love. Who else I got? Bam out of Bayou. I got Bam. Kyle Lowry. Kyle Lowry. My old guy, he got him. But they not playing my Kyle Lowry like they supposed to be playing my Kyle Lowry.

Starting point is 01:12:12 And I won a championship? Yeah. Don't tell me shit. I am the best player on the planet if I won with the goddamn lineup I actually have. Not one of these guys. He could probably say that right now then. He got to the finals. Take Bam out. There's not another

Starting point is 01:12:34 player on that team that will start anywhere else besides Boston. But see, that's what we're talking about. That's the criteria we're talking about now. So if that's the criteria, you're right. You're right. Tyler, he'll start everybody else Vincent and all of them. They're not starting nowhere else in on the planet. So if I San Antonio Three guys who have 20 over there Orlando Charlotte

Starting point is 01:13:06 Over young fella Over young fella. Yeah, oh, no, they guards average 19 and 20 these boys average six seven and nine Hell no, they not starting nowhere else and I won a championship with them. I'm the goat I'm talking go then you should say that now goats He said no, but you're saying Jimmy's if he wins one championship with his team, he's in the goat conversation? If Jimmy Butler wins a championship with that lineup. Yeah, for sure.

Starting point is 01:13:35 For sure. Sounds like he's been drinking confidence coffee. With that lineup? Like, I'm sorry. I don't know what the rest of the world is looking at. Y'all, listen. They just got, listen. Gabe. Gabe Vinson. Y'all, listen. They just got, listen, Gabe Vincent, right?

Starting point is 01:13:51 Gabe Vincent, they tried to make him like an MVP, right? He wasn't drafted, right? When he hurt his ankle. He wasn't drafted. No, they tried to make him the Eastern Conference MVP. Yeah, he got half the vote. Taylor Martin. Taylor Martin, right? Him.

Starting point is 01:14:02 One of them. Him. Right here. That guy, right? Every regular season. a little more than him. One of them him right in that guy, right? Every game. It was every regular season nine didn't start. Yeah, we're talking about. No, he had 13.

Starting point is 01:14:11 We're talking about. Yeah, it's nine. We're talking about the seven games of the Eastern Conference Finals. Nine who got cut from a sorry ass Charlotte team, right? That's what that's what I'm carrying. This is what I'm carrying. Don't tell me about no Steph Curry who got none of there's no play on this team. You take Bama. There's not a player on his team that will crack that will crack but not he wrote right right the

Starting point is 01:14:37 rest of them the three that will crack top 150 in the NBA. I feel like this. It don't matter who's on Jimmy's team. He gonna carry anyway. He gotta put whoever on his back. It don't matter if it's Gabe Vincent. It don't matter if it's Martin. It don't matter if it's Paul George. Nigga, get on my back. I got us. If I'm Philadelphia

Starting point is 01:15:00 76ers and you had this man with him bead. Tobias Ben Simmons and Ben Simmons. You've been messing up everybody names. When you start hitting shots, your name is Tobias. You whatever I call you. Tobias. Whatever I call you. Right? Oh Lord. You gotta earn your name. You gotta earn earn and that's the group he had You how many championships you think they will have they what bucks when I had no championship if Jimmy was still in Philly, right? That's a good Come on, man. I'm

Starting point is 01:15:37 golden Well, it's not like Jimmy Jimmy tattoo right we're doing all this time Let's play the game. We're doing all this talking. Best player to ever play the game. Time out, Gil. If the Heat win this championship, you get a Jimmy. And you got to hit the blunt, too, before you do it. Listen, if Jimmy wins the championship,

Starting point is 01:15:55 he should be able to call himself the greatest player to ever play this game. You hitting the blunt? Because he's the only player that ever played with a group like this What about dirt 2011 Wow With the Hall of Famer named Jake kid kid take it Tyson Miller Late era Jake They kid was good that year Is anybody only heat team better than Barrera

Starting point is 01:16:30 JJ oh no Wow He was killing he was killer he was key Harry no no Let's not play games. Let's not be stupid here. There's a terry's though. Oh yeah. They say they average 18 that finals. Jimmy Tapp, right? I ain't even got no arm tattoos. Greatest player ever. So let's go on the opposite side of that.

Starting point is 01:16:54 If the Nuggets trick this series, how does it impact Joe? You just said if Jimmy can win it, let him go. Let him rock. Joe do not. This is all being recorded. This is all being recorded. Don't be trying to stop me. Why you think I'm saying I get a tattoo of Jimmy Butler? Let him go let him rock Joe do not this is all beer To of Jimmy Butler

Starting point is 01:17:14 You don't get a tattoo why guys still like because I know I have no chance to get Listen I did that because I'm a Laker fan. I can't be messing with a fan. All right, that's fine. Now we're revealing he's doing all this shit because he's a Laker fan. So what do you want? When the Lakers series started, yes, I'm a Laker fan. I'm not going to go against my Lakers. Let's say pound for pound, no injuries, no other bullshit. Heat, defeat the Nuggets in this NBA finals. It's fixed. Damn, it's fixed.

Starting point is 01:17:39 You got to hit the blunt. Now how will it affect? How does that affect Joker's legacy, though? I'll do something harder than blunt. We don't need you in Deebo's chicken coop. Whatever's harder than this. It's Angel does. Both teams is healthy.

Starting point is 01:17:51 You can't skip. Both teams. Both teams healthy. So you feel like you. No, no major injuries, right? Joker, obviously, Jamal Murray, that crew got to be solid. I don't want to hear no excuses, my man. You can have the auxiliary injury.

Starting point is 01:18:03 I don't want to hear if somebody go to, well, this person don't get out, man. Don't be like Charlemagne, the guy. This shit is a part of the game. Whoever get hurt, whoever, even on our side. Somebody go down, nigga, hey man, we fucking lost. We fucking lost. Next man up. Gotta fucking, gotta accommodate.

Starting point is 01:18:19 You don't have to. Who? You gotta accommodate. So if anything happened in this series where Joker go down or somebody go down and then they start losing Cuz they down she's what I don't want to hear goddamn thing. Yeah, that's what it is I want to hear goddamn thing about though. What if we had what?

Starting point is 01:18:34 Beat Denver No, y'all don't have we in the finals do y'all even know what Joker shoots against everyone who checked him on Miami. I think I saw that. 85%. Yeah, I saw that stat. 85% with any Heat player besides Bam and then Bam himself, 68%. Joker was 100% against the Lakers. It's the finals though. It's the finals though.

Starting point is 01:18:58 He was 100% against the Lakers. He shot 84, when they switched on to him, since he's shooting 85 against that group he shot 100 against the lakers no he had four games zero no we're talking about 100 we're talking about we're talking about actual stats jimmy butler has been guarded by six, two and six, three, six, one guards. Gordon is not six, three. That's who's guarding him. Okay.

Starting point is 01:19:31 He's shooting 28% against Gordon for the last three years. That's cool. 28% against Gordon for the last three years. That's okay. Are you letting that light skin? No, no, no, no, no, no. It's okay, Jimmy. Jimmy got better every year.

Starting point is 01:19:44 He got the dress now though. He got the dress. He got the dress now. He's letting that light skin. No, no, no, no. Okay. Jimmy got better every year. He got the dress now though. He got the dress. He got the dress now. For the last three years, that means now too, he's shooting 28% against Gordon. This is the problem with no one's paying attention to. Look at every person that can guard Jimmy. Gordon, Michael Porter Jr.

Starting point is 01:20:04 KCP. KCP. Brown, Murray, Jeff Green. I have all super athletes. Jimmy is not athletic. I have 6' eight to six, ten athletes that they can throw at Jimmy that Jimmy hasn't been guarded by yet. Why do you think he's shooting

Starting point is 01:20:32 28% against them? Y'all got a lot of work in for y'all. Y'all gonna have to stop this motherfucking train coming at you. It's been stopped for the last three years. Hey, listen,

Starting point is 01:20:41 but we in the finals. We in the finals now. It ain't been slowed down a bit this year. So y'all motherfuckers come out here and step in front of this train if you want to this is gonna be in The NBA is gonna have to blow the whistle to get Joker out of the game And that's not even funny part about it who goes to the rim and get foul That's not even the funny. He's not getting fouled against this group Hey, that's all they do is foul. Who? The Denver Nuggets.

Starting point is 01:21:07 They're big as shit. What the fuck do you think? They foul. They're big as, they're fouling LeBron James, who's driving every time on a jump. They are foul prone. They don't get a foul. Who gets to the free throw line? Jimmy Brutman. Yes, he does.

Starting point is 01:21:21 And they foul, and he gets to the free throw line. He can foul them boys out Okay Don't even change subjects. Let me let me let you know who he's driving against in Boston right If he gets a switch and out for for this guarding him when he drives who is back there nobody strategy for this guard in him. When he drives, who is back there? Nobody. Strategy. No one. Strategy.

Starting point is 01:21:48 Greg Williams, is that his name? Time Lord? No, Robert, they didn't play together half the time. The other light-skinned one. Eric White. Greg Williams. Their whole team is 6'4".

Starting point is 01:22:03 Isn't that the point in the pick and roll to switch off on the nigga you want to, because there ain't no rim protector? 6'1", 6'2", 6'6", 6'8". That's not Denver. But that was Austin. Denver, everyone who's guarding Jimmy Butler, the smallest guy is 6'6". Who's more athletic than him? They all got.

Starting point is 01:22:23 Their whole team is more athletic than Jimmy. So whatever switch he got, when he goes to the rim, they have guys who's more athletic than him. They all the whole team is more athletic than Jimmy So whatever switch he got when he goes to the rim, they have guys who's jumping their fouls. Which was ill they foul prone They don't know you go to the basket When he's going to the bus, Joker's not really a ripper take Marcus smart and white defense of all all NBA defense All these bits all NBA defense. Well! All defense. All NBA defense. How much you would have gave them two? I don't know.

Starting point is 01:22:48 I'm not in that position, G. How much you would have gave them two? I don't know. Hey, listen. I'm not Jimmy, though. Jimmy's 6'7", 6'8". How much you would have gave them two defensive scores? It's tough, man.

Starting point is 01:22:59 They defense all defense. Right. They got the ref favor. It's like what you could... Give you 30, 35, 40. Your defense, that's bullshit. When you talk about Denver though, I feel you on the Celtics shit.

Starting point is 01:23:11 They did so good, it made D-leaguers good. Denver don't play defense. They don't play defense. That's the only knock on them. Let's rewind the time. They actually played against a group that

Starting point is 01:23:28 had Kevin Durant, who averaged 30 that series, Booker, who averaged 30 that series. They walked through two men that are bucket-getting sons of bitches.

Starting point is 01:23:44 Two dudes who played excellent basketball. They walked through it. What two dudes are those? I just told you, two dudes who averaged 30 in that series. KD and Book. KD and Book. Walked through them. There's no Jimmy Booker.

Starting point is 01:24:00 There's no Booker and damn Kevin Durant on the other side. And if they if they are because they already walked through two of them. Then LeBron James and Anthony Davis. And you talking about Jimmy's about to do what? He better he better score 60. What was the one thing that these teams he's talking about didn't do to Denver? They didn't put pressure on them on a defensive side. They did not put pressure on them boys. So the teams he's talking about didn't do to Denver. They didn't put pressure on them on the defensive side. They did not put pressure on them boys. So the teams that we talking about that went up against Denver offensively didn't put enough pressure on them. Denver was the best defensive rating team.

Starting point is 01:24:34 What are you talking about? What's Denver's defensive rating? That's the question. Let's find that out. Because they're in the league. What are they ranked defensively? I bet you they're next to last. Why does it matter?

Starting point is 01:24:44 Who are they playing against? Because that's what I'm saying. If Jimmy Butler's coming in, he's going to make them play defense. Did they have him play? Jimmy Butler ain't averaging 30 in the series. I'm not saying that. I'm saying he's going to put pressure on them defensively. It's going to change the game.

Starting point is 01:24:57 When you're in foul trouble, you play differently. Especially for guys like Michael Porter. I just gave you two guys who gave them 60 apiece. I mean, 60 total. The defense didn't matter. Their offense didn't matter against that defense. Then… Listen, this is what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:25:10 Two! Those two guys didn't put pressure on them from the free throw line. Booker and KD did not go to the line enough to put Denver in foul trouble, to put pressure on them. No team has. Because it's hard to do. It's not. It's not. hard to do. It's not. They still got DeAndre Jordan over there.

Starting point is 01:25:27 They got Thomas Bryant chilling. They got DeAndre Jordan still over there. And they still don't have no rim protectors in the game. Rim protectors not in the game. Look at the... They just got niggas chilling right now. How many free throws did LeBron take

Starting point is 01:25:43 in this series in which he should have took when these guys are guarding him? He did not go to the free throw line. LeBron James is 6'10 and didn't get to the free throw line. Jimmy Butler is 6'6. LeBron James was not being aggressive. What move did Jimmy Butler do? LeBron James was not being aggressive to go to the line in that series.

Starting point is 01:26:00 He drove all, that's all he did was drive the ball. No, he drove and kicked. No, he shot a lot of the ball. He drove and kicked his shoulder. He was driving and kicking his shoulder, bro. We acting like Jimmy Butler is getting free throws like he's James Harden. He is. No, he's not.

Starting point is 01:26:15 Yes, he's averaging at least 12 a game. And what series are you talking about? Nigga only averaged 24 points. What are you talking about? 12 free throws. How many is 12 free throws? Once. That's one.

Starting point is 01:26:26 Yeah, one time? Nope, man. One time when a foul at the end of the game? If he ain't averaging 10 free throws, he's averaging 12. If he ain't averaging 10, he's averaging 8. They got him at, he only, they only have him at 6 and 7 and a half. I think 8 a game against. 8 a game.

Starting point is 01:26:40 He's getting to the free throw line. 8 a game. So this goes up when he's getting more aggressive. What's wrong with 8 a game? 8. That's getting to the free throw line. Eight a game. So this goes up when you get more aggressive. What's wrong with eight a game? That's eight points. Eight free throws a game. You're going to win this NBA Finals going to the free throw line. No, the Nuggets are ranked high in defense. No, Gil, we're going to beat the Boston Celtics by shooting eight free throws a game. We beat the Boston Celtics by doing that.

Starting point is 01:27:06 He got fifth best defensive rating in the playoffs. I think Nuggets are seventh. Seventh. Seventh. What are they going to run? What are they going to run? The zone? No.

Starting point is 01:27:18 You're going to run the zone? Head up. He's shooting 68% against Sam. We will live with this until we adjust. I think Miami should go zone man. Huh? I think Miami should go zone. Not against them shooters.

Starting point is 01:27:31 You gonna go zone? Get a hand up. Get a hand up. Robert Williams from Celtics? Robert Williams when he was in he had to set the pick and roll in a zone dump. Joker's gonna be sitting at the free throw line. No. no zone. No zone.

Starting point is 01:27:46 Hell no. That's going to be the worst. They're going to have to run home because they're too little. That's what I'm saying. No, they're not. They're just going to have to live with it. Like Draymond guarding Joker. Like you got to live with it.

Starting point is 01:27:58 Like who did number two for the Lakers? Vander, no, number two. Whatever. Vanderbilt. It's like Vanderbilt guarding Joker in the post. Like, we going to offset this to keep our big in place to play off of Joker. We going to have to live with a different strategy. We living with a different strategy.

Starting point is 01:28:17 No, no. I guess he didn't hear. We got Swift. No, no. I guess he didn't hear the actual real number. I think he thought I just said it. That's not this series, Gil. Anytime they switch for the last three years, Miami Heat, the same team,

Starting point is 01:28:31 Bam, Joker, the same group. Anybody, when they did a switch, he's shooting 85% against them. Bam, one-on-one, 68%. It's okay. So what defense are you going to play? It's a new day. We get to show up and fight again. He gonna change these percentages.

Starting point is 01:28:49 He's not shooting this against us no more. Hey, look, those numbers were pretty that's just sound good because this shit happened three years ago, but this is a new year. No, no, no. Three years. It's a new year. It's the last three years. Even though even if it was yesterday, it gets a new day.

Starting point is 01:29:04 I get to play you again. Cool. What's up? You over 10 today though. Who? What's up? We get to play. We don't get to show the outcome based on what happened yesterday. Today is a new day. Let's go shoot today. You won yesterday.

Starting point is 01:29:20 85% for the last three. That's not going to make me stop. That's not going to make me not want to play. I'm just talking realities. Reality. Nah, because you be talking about Gilbert being a delusional Laker fan, like just saying anything because he a Laker fan. You sound like that.

Starting point is 01:29:34 You're not even a Heat fan. Nah. I'm talking about head up. We playing. We not basing numbers. We're not even talking about the guy who averaged 28 the last series. You just talked about Stan Van Gundy being the worst piece. We're not even talking about Murphy.'ve been talking about the guy who averaged 28 the last series you just talked about Stan Van Gundy We come out the worst we're not even talking about murder look you said the worst speech Stan Van Gundy ever gave right he came in And gave them a bunch of over zero for this zero for that boom boom so now you're saying that they supposed to come to the locker

Starting point is 01:30:01 Room based on these statistics what Joker just just did. 80%. He shot 60%. We don't got a chance today. As a coach, you're not coming in saying, oh, he shot 80%. Let's cue that Joker back up. We don't give a fuck about that shit. I know what you don't give a fuck about. Fuck that shit. Hey, he's got to come play against us tonight.

Starting point is 01:30:16 That sounds great. What's up? It's hard to say because, you know, sometimes I am, sometimes I'm not. And I'm cool with that. And I think everybody else is good with that. What he's saying is, when they ask him, is he the best player on the team, and he's saying some days he is, some days he's not. When he's not, who is?

Starting point is 01:30:35 That's another person we're not talking about. Jamal Murray. Murray. Is Jamal Murray the X Factor? We're not even talking. No, he's not an X Factor. He is the Factor. Okay.

Starting point is 01:30:45 Joker's going to do what he do. Murray sets the tone of the win. Bam and Jimmy Butler versus Murray and Joker. Now, I know you have the underdog app. They have Joker at 50 total points, right? Jimmy Butler's at 40, which means that matchup, there's up 10. Murray's right behind Jimmy.

Starting point is 01:31:10 But why is that? Bam! Bam! Why is that? Because they're not good enough. No, because he averages a triple-double. That's why his points are that high. So when you're betting on points, you get a better chance of winning.

Starting point is 01:31:22 We're doing pick-ups. We're just doing pick-ups. Understand what you're saying. If one is generating 50 points, you get a better chance of winning. We're doing pick-ups. We're just doing pick-ups. Understand what you're saying. If one is generating 50 points, one player is generating 50. Jimmy's generating 40. So that means just that matchup, he's down 10. Already. And then you put Murray.

Starting point is 01:31:38 And then you put Murray versus Bam. That's another 10, 15 points. So that's 25 points that they're offsetting That means the rest of the team has to make up for them now Let me tell you the rest of the team where they're where they're ranking at they have In order they have Joker number one. They have Jimmy number two. They have Murray three They have BAM for? So Denver has one, three. Miami has two and four.

Starting point is 01:32:08 Then it goes five. Denver, Denver, Denver, Denver. Denver, Denver, Denver, Denver, Denver, all the way to fucking 11. Bro, you talking statistics. That's on the underdog. No, that's called player personnel.

Starting point is 01:32:23 Player personnel realistically. Realistically, outside of all those stats you just named, we still have confident coffee that we drink that walked us all the way to the finals based on being the underdog statistically. Against the teams we're playing, we're the HC. We not supposed to make it to the next round. And we make it to the next round. And we make it to the next round. Then we make it to the next round.

Starting point is 01:32:48 Now we in the finals and he gonna bring up these statistics about how we not supposed to be here. But yet, realistically, here we are. Now we gotta fight against y'all. Y'all statistically, you know, you better than us. Right? By comparison. But then there's this coffee we drink

Starting point is 01:33:04 before the game. It's this coffee we drink before the game It's this coffee. We drink that makes these statistics Disappear and it's like fuck the stats. Don't even look at the scoreboard. We are here to kill Yeah, when the motherfucking when the smoke clear if we lose we lose but we know we came out here to fight and we ate Some shit up It's a sit-. Mike Tyson, right? He didn't fight himself, right? He did every time. No, no.

Starting point is 01:33:27 He didn't fight himself when he went up. I'm pretty sure they actually trained to fight him, right? They did, right? Yeah. They had confident coffee, but it was. No, they didn't. They had confident coffee when they went up. Everyone who's fought Mayweather has confident coffee to the public.

Starting point is 01:33:46 They know they already lost this match. Come on, man. It was white and powdery, though. It was white and powdery. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Just so we really understand. When we say underdog, you got a number one team calling themselves

Starting point is 01:33:59 the underdog, too. Who? Denver is calling themselves the underdog. That's their Denver is calling themselves the underdog. That's their fault. Everyone's delusional. Miami is not a underdog. It sounds amazing. They went to the championship

Starting point is 01:34:13 with the same loaded players. Loaded players? I thought we was a YMCA team. Bam. What are we doing? Bam. Hero. You got the same team. YMCA. You got wrote it. You got the same team.

Starting point is 01:34:25 You got you got four five of the players on the same team. They went to the championship, right? They went to the gym. Duncan, Rob, that's the championship. Yeah, they lost. Right. They lost. Right. The next year. What were they to 20s 20s? I don't know if they like to be like you're after the next year. They were one. So last year, they were one. They like So last year one They were one last year same group

Starting point is 01:34:49 Championship to one start off bad eight. They're not no fucking Cinderella team So they got that's the media say this is not a number one. This is a one to seed anyway Damn, so do you so the YMCA group is a 1-2 seed. They deserve they were a 1-2 seed Because they had people got they got hurt the players they have now is YMCA Them are hero and Vic all these guys. They're not playing right now They're not playing people left. They're not playing. This is not the group. They were number one last year, dudes. This is not a no. This is like, this is like jokering them the same group.

Starting point is 01:35:30 This is like them starting off bad next year because people got hurt and then they become an AC. Are they really a fucking AC? But you talk about, Oh, we didn't fill a real story and they just fucking want a champion, but you validate in the point of them not being enough competition in the East, the East being trashed, them being enough competition in the East. The East being trash. Trash. Them being a YMCA team.

Starting point is 01:35:49 I'm talking about now they're number one. Because last year they was number one. Two things can be true. Two things can be true at the same time. They don't have a 20-point score, my guy. Two things can be true at the same time. No, you're not forgetting Hero averaged 20 points a game. He's not playing.

Starting point is 01:36:04 That's a factor. He's coming back game three. I can fuck you to come back and go to scores. Oh three I don't give a fuck what he do. I don't give a shit if they add him and two other people. They're not good enough I don't give a fuck. Watch off. I'm not gonna be on TNT in my suit and say yeah Miami Heat Has a chance if they do all this and do all that. The only way you beat Denver Nuggets is if Denver don't show up. Let me ask you a question. If Denver don't show up, I got a chance. Did the Lakers

Starting point is 01:36:33 no, did people consider the Pistons having a chance against that Laker team? Yes. Against the Laker team? Yeah. The Hall of Fame, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Shaq and Kobe Bryant. Did we count the Pistons out? Come on Gil. Don't give me that. Don't give me that. No, we counted them out. We like they gonna get smashed and the Lakers went through the whole

Starting point is 01:36:58 season playing very well up until that point. They was no didn't play well doing that point. There was having problems on that point near the end. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. It's not a different scenario. Same scenario. Name three starters on Miami Heat right now. Please do. There's not an all NBA player

Starting point is 01:37:33 on that team. No all NBA players is on the business. Who? When they played that year. Who? It's a lot of yelling, Phillip. What do you mean? What do you mean who? Chauncey Billups was an all NBA? What?

Starting point is 01:37:48 That was before the year they won. It wasn't. Oh, no. What? What? Oh, okay. They were ranked the years before. Before that championship.

Starting point is 01:37:57 They were getting away from the point. One. We're getting away. They were one. They were two. And then they were there. They traded in the middle of the season for a Jimmy Butler type of player and Rasheed Wallace.

Starting point is 01:38:09 But look, Gil, my point is. What I'm saying, you're trying to pretend. You're trying. A defensive juggernaut team. Versus the Hall of Fame of the, we've never seen a team like this. Hall of Fame of all offensive players who didn't play together they didn't know each other denver has been the same group but you just said miami you just said miami was number one number one number two on the east so they've been together they have they have

Starting point is 01:38:38 this jail that you're talking about they don't have the talent they don't have the talent these three players who did not play are playing, sir. Listen, bro. What I'm saying is we got a chance. Anytime you're in the finals, you got a chance. You got a chance to win. Listen, I know you want to go against me. I just have one.

Starting point is 01:38:58 No, I'm just saying. We're talking about. Listen, Joker losing the last three years is because he didn't have he considers his best player, Murray. What you mean? You mean he doesn't have an excuse? He didn't have his best player, Murray, right? Which now Murray's

Starting point is 01:39:15 back, who he considers the best player on the team. He has him back. It's like Scottie Pippen kept losing and then he gets Jordan and says, now fight me. Well, unfortunately the people he's fighting They don't have their best players. So Jimmy is not fighting with his best players. He's fighting with the big squad Jimmy is not complaining. Oh, I don't give a fuck if he's complaining. He's ready to fight reality He ready to fight it's called reality, but we're ready to I live in reality. I do not live in fantasy world

Starting point is 01:39:43 We not gonna lay down because of our mom. I don't give a shit if you lay down or not. We're not going to sit down. Oh, shit. Them niggas is coming. What are we going to do? I don't care. Lay down.

Starting point is 01:39:52 But that's your argument. Your argument is if they are fighting. They have to play. Period. You're saying something that's obvious. They have to play. I'm saying reality. No, you're not.

Starting point is 01:40:02 Because reality ain't. We ain't played one game yet. So, ain't saying reality. No, you're not. Because reality ain't, we ain't played one game yet. So, ain't no reality. The only reality is that the Denver Nuggets swept the Los Angeles Lakers. That's the only reality that sits into my eyes and my forefront of my brain. The last time I seen the Denver Nuggets play, they swept. 38-year-old LeBron, though. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Starting point is 01:40:22 I swept the guys. I swept the guys. I swept two guys. I swept two players on the team that are top 75. Right? Nothing but this. I'm glad you said that. I'm Miami Heat. Right?

Starting point is 01:40:36 I was in the D league, G league, sitting there. Right? I made $300,000, $400,000. Right? I shouldn't even belong in the NBA. And I just seen this man sweep a dude who had 40, 38, 40. The other big man, defensive player

Starting point is 01:40:53 of the year, 40, 275. You think I'm really going to the game thinking I'm about to do something when he just swept four Hall of Famers. Not four Hall of Famers swept. He whooped on four Hall of Famers, not four Hall of Famers, he whooped on four Hall of Famers. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:41:07 He whooped four Hall of Famers. And you think the Miami Heat team, them Rugrats, is thinking that they have a chance? Big face, coffee, Gil, what don't you understand? I have a question. He thinks Jimmy Butler's confidence works with the rest of the team yes with what will you think BAM like I got Joker I can suck this nigga down. Hey, hey, hey, Bam is hitting his knee against the board right now. Oh, coach.

Starting point is 01:41:47 Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Damn, Coach, it came. That sound like some shit AD did. Man, he wrote, hey, he wrote that. That sound like some shit AD did.

Starting point is 01:41:56 He wrote, he wrote. Don't bring that energy over here to Miami. We don't play like that. He wrote over here like this. Hey, coach, I don't, Murray gonna have 50, 40. This is championship. Hey, he gonna be like this. Miami heat don't get here like this. Hey, coach, I don't know. Murray going to have 50, 40. This is championship. Hey, he going to be like this. Miami, he don't get down like that.

Starting point is 01:42:08 We don't make excuses. Can I ask a question? We're not making excuses about the smoke. I missed a week. I missed a week. And I came back, and you are the biggest Heat fan in the world. What happened? When did this come from?

Starting point is 01:42:21 When did it start? I missed one week, Rashad. Film says his team was down 0-3. Okay. And he thought we forgot that he was going for the Boston because we wasn't talking about it really. And then he came back heat. That was the week I was gone, like out of nowhere, right?

Starting point is 01:42:38 No, no, no. I don't need to form. Look, and then they just moved the goalposts together. I just had a question. Let's change the subject. No, I've been trying to ask that question for this whole time. I don't need to fool. Right now, look, and then they just move the goalposts together. I just had a question. Let's change the subject. No, I've been trying to ask that question for this whole time. The goalpost is really this. You're trying to use Jimmy Butler's, his mentality versus

Starting point is 01:42:55 and adding it to these players that aren't playing. You take Bam off. There's no, none of these guys will start on any team in the NBA We know that but that's the point of Jimmy's confidence is injected into these players. No, you don't consider complain Oh, that's replacing Tyler. He came up Martin's confidence has replaced that 20 points a game and Tyler hero was bringing to the He did it all series the whole Boston series Gil we watched it you didn't he to the house. He didn't one time. He did it all series. The whole Boston series Gil. We watched it, you didn't. He averaged 20 a game.

Starting point is 01:43:30 Who is he playing in? Oh Lord. Who's going to? Josiah, you not gonna step in at all? This is what we doing? I'm just here to hope. I thought you was gonna be in the middle. I'm just here to hope.

Starting point is 01:43:40 Damn. Caleb Martin did play at a finals, Eastern Conference finals MVP level. Woo, Eastern Conference finals MVP level. Eastern Conference final MVP 19. That's how sorry they are that a man averaged 19 in a series and we are jumping for fucking joy. 60% from the field though. 60% from the field, 50% from three.

Starting point is 01:44:01 We're jumping for joy. Nobody's jumping, I am firmly planted in this leather seat. 14 in the playoffs, we're jumping for joy. We're jumping for joy. I am firmly planted in this leather seat. 14 in the playoffs. We're jumping for joy. When Murray averaged 28 in a series, and we're not even talking about it. Because he light-skinned it. 28. We're jumping for joy.

Starting point is 01:44:18 Woo! 19. And he single-handedly outplayed Jimmy. Nobody's jumping for joy. We're just pointing out We're pointing out situation point out real situation that Caleb Martin is supposed to be here He's not supposed to be average in 19 and we're not supposed to be celebrating. That's the point I think that's the celebration in itself Hey, look Marty steps up to the plate next man up get it popping it popping out here, Caleb. I got a shot.

Starting point is 01:44:45 I'm about to shoot it. What the fuck you mean? It's my turn. It's my turn. I've been waiting for this moment. I don't give a fuck who down. I'm up. I think everybody would have that mentality that they got to come through me and they got to actually beat me.

Starting point is 01:44:59 But we're just saying as hoopers, as hoopers, you can't deny that the road that they took was not difficult. It wasn't a difficult road to get here. They still had to do it. You only play against who's in front of you. I get that, but the road wasn't difficult. Now when you're coming up against the Nuggets who have basically cakewalked right on through,

Starting point is 01:45:20 you can't not be a hooper and think like, you can say, oh yeah, we got a chance We got to play every game, but you gotta really be like this is a Nuggets championship to live. He had an easy road Here's the fact though Nuggets the one the last six first to heat in 11 of the last 13 course. Yes Milwaukee no then some Denver. Oh, Denver. Timberwolves. Minnesota. You reaching in slow motion right now.

Starting point is 01:45:51 Denver. You reaching in slow motion right now. I don't know what's going on. They played Minnesota. Minnesota, right? And Anthony Edwards, they played against Wait. They played against real stars.

Starting point is 01:46:07 Who? Denzel. Miami has it? He's credited Miami like a motherfucker, man. Joel Embiid, Giannis. Giannis out for three games. And then second round. Knicks.

Starting point is 01:46:18 The Knicks. Second round. Who? Eastern Conference Finals. He didn't play Embiid. First team All-NBA player, second team All-NBA player. Well, first of all, they had to do the playing game. They had to win two playing games just to get the eighth spot.

Starting point is 01:46:29 They had to win one. Win one. Yeah, win one. Listen, that's cool. He knows all of this. That's cool. He's capping. He knows all of this.

Starting point is 01:46:36 Tell me, tell me, tell me. He knows all of this. After Giannis goes down, right? They played the day. Anybody else in that lineup? Brunson and Randall. It ain't anybody else Did that have they been are they better than? That's so okay. We're gonna go book No Kevin Durant

Starting point is 01:46:58 Anthony Edwards Carl Anthony Towns Yeah, yeah, that'sowls team is overrated. Okay, but I'm just a player. They're just saying the players. Those two stars. We're playing against the teams. Gil, he went through four of the 15 All-NBA players, though.

Starting point is 01:47:14 Four? Who? Giannis. Hurt. He played. Hurt. Hurt. Gil, are we giving excuses?

Starting point is 01:47:22 He played. Two games. Steps to success. Julius Randle. Trash. Trash. Hold on, hold on, hold on, Jay. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. You're saying he played hurt, right?

Starting point is 01:47:30 Who? Giannis. He missed three games. Didn't Jason Tatum just play hurt? You were saying? No, he played 40. No, I said he played 42 minutes. Giannis missed three games.

Starting point is 01:47:38 He missed three games. But Giannis played. He missed three games. He was in his last pitch. We're not talking about a guy who went out for 15 seconds. But he played, bro. He missed three games. So who was the other one?

Starting point is 01:47:52 So Giannis, Julius Randle, Jalen Brown, and Jason Tannehill. I'm just, Gil, I'm just... And what are they? What did you consider them to be? They're four of the top 15 all-NBA players. All-NBA players, top 15. On the East that got beat by Jimmy Butler. One player missed three games.

Starting point is 01:48:10 He was there for two. There for two games. Just telling you what happened, Gil. We're just saying, going up three Ls. He missed in the playoffs. You're doing it on a random right now. You played Randall, who wasn't an all-NBA player. 13.

Starting point is 01:48:24 It was another guard. No, hell no He's not he's not an all-star. Hell. No, Julius Randall's not 24. Hey top 24. Yeah, go to by the media. Um Brown Brunson. We see how he played that series. Is he not a all-star all your be a player? Yeah, okay now Let's okay that them for that's a nice for I love that for great for Mason for okay Booker the rent LeBron Anthony Davis, what would they do to this for?

Starting point is 01:48:54 Come I get it compete. What would those for do to this for? That's what he uses compete instead of actual thing Everyone can be my god. We have to do everyone can be we can't say we're gonna guarantee aware We can only say we don't go out here compete. We can't say we gonna beat the guys But we only gonna go out here and see what we can do. Now. You said that he was winning the series that I'm Understandin come out like you have to compete If you get beat by 100 you compete yes, we competed win or lose What you say you're using as a real thing I'm happy we're not gonna lay

Starting point is 01:49:37 They had to go through their routine to fight that's not the issue Do you have a chance to win? No, but I'm gonna walk out in the ring anyway We gotta compete You know what happens to that guy that doesn't have a chance He knocks that nigga out like Riddick Bowe not to my face now Knock his ass out the fight was free out of fighting I mean, Buster Douglas? Buster Douglas? Buster Douglas? Buster Douglas? You don't got a chance. Knock his ass out. The fight was fixed.

Starting point is 01:50:08 He's got a fighting chance. 11 for 13. What is it? 11 out of the 15. He acting like they have to. Like the coach said, they get in. Right? You have to get in. Even though you're sitting there like this.

Starting point is 01:50:18 Oh, shit. I got to. Everybody who had to guard Michael Jordan competed. Not the shake of the legs. Competed. Everybody. Everybody who got the garden Michael Jordan compete it the shaking the legs competed everybody Everybody who guarded wilt Chamberlain when he averaged 50 they competed They went out there the man who score he scored a hundred the delusion of you saying he's gonna win Competed

Starting point is 01:50:39 Let's play the other side though. Let's say you're Eric's poster right everything You just said I did he didn there get their ass Mac all that stuff But now you spell you need to figure out a way one game at a time fellas. We're gonna go out there. We're gonna compete We're gonna use words like compete in confidence compete won't have the confidence. We're gonna give it to them We're gonna do all this. We're gonna do all that soon as they walk out there. Hey, uh So hey, what y'all doing on the 9th? So we're going to 10th. We're going to have a little get together. It's reality.

Starting point is 01:51:09 Reality. Reality? I'm a coach. I have players. Yes. We play AAU. How many teams have you beat by like 60 in AAU? A lot.

Starting point is 01:51:19 They competed though, right? Yeah. They went out there, played hard. They tried to look press. We got to guard Brennan Jennings. Competing is not a real thing. It's not a real you don't have talent. What? Competing you have talent, but you don't have this talented I can say listen I can say if this was a lazy team

Starting point is 01:51:41 Like Joker's not a lazy player Murray's not a lazy, but Murray's not a lazy player. These guys perform and they do the same thing this other group does. But this group has all the talent too. Max, listen, Max, I don't give a fuck what confidence Max got to get 12. He's going to get that 12 though, Gil. He's going to get that 12, though, Gil. He's going to hit that higher on that pick. And KCP is going to get 12 just running around chucking shots without competing.

Starting point is 01:52:13 I don't know what we're saying here. Max has to play. These guys have to play and make every shot just to compete. Really? Anything is possible. I thought basketball was an even playing field every time just to compete. Really? Anything is possible though. I didn't know that was basketball. I thought basketball was a even playing field every time you step out.

Starting point is 01:52:29 It's a 50-50 chance. To quote the- To quote the- You do this? But that's why- We got a 10. We got a 10. He thinks when we go up it's a-

Starting point is 01:52:37 Yeah, we got a 10. Because what happened to Boston, first play of the game? Talk to me, bro. I'm talking to y'all. Game seven. What happened first play of the game? I don't even bro. I'm talking to y'all. What happened first play of the game? I don't even like you putting that energy into the universe, though. Just answer me. Anything can happen in the first moments of the game. What happened?

Starting point is 01:52:54 Tatum, Tatum. Tatum went down. First play of the game. Listen. Let's just say that affected the series. No. How did it affect the series? Game seven.

Starting point is 01:53:03 Game seven. Game seven. He played. The man played 42 minutes. Gilbert, let's just say that. What are we talking about? Gilbert, let's just say that. We're acting like he played one minute and he left. He didn't come back.

Starting point is 01:53:10 He was in there the whole fucking game. I'm just going to give a scenario real quick. What are you talking about? Just a scenario. Jumping versus ankle and he played 42 minutes. Game over. What are you talking about? Triple-double.

Starting point is 01:53:18 Did it affect his performance, Gilbert? No. It didn't. No, fuck no. Hell no. He went down. Who was that? Who was that? Who was that? Who was that? Who was that? Two minutes game over. What are you talking about? Triple-double did it affect this performance? No, it did not fuck. No Hell no

Starting point is 01:53:29 He went down three who's the loony what down all three with two great ankles, but then he told great ankles He was down all three so don't let me don't test and that's my guy But did he win three in a row? Did he win three in a row after that? But did he play well during three in a row? Gilbert, why do you keep moving the goal post? Just answer the question. You're acting like with them three ankles, he's averaging 50. Just answer the question. You're answering the question with a question, bro. He went three all.

Starting point is 01:53:52 Just answer. Two ankles. Three straight games, he won. Yes. Yes. And then he got hurt game seven, first play of the game. What is hurt? Hurt means you did not come back.

Starting point is 01:54:03 No, injured means you did not come back. No injured means you did not come back But I'm still playing still shooting shots Oh, I missed all my shots up my ink right? Oh, that's my hand if you get hurt in the game you come back in and it's affecting your play But you can still hoop are you gonna steal food? No, right? So if you're gonna take shots on the bad ankle, you know, you can't hit shots Are you gonna keep how do we know it's a bad ankle? Because we watched the whole film.

Starting point is 01:54:27 No. We watched foot. He ain't hobbling. He was hobbling and grimacing the whole game. It was. It was. The game where we watching this. He was grimacing.

Starting point is 01:54:35 He was. Yeah, he was. After Doug's foot. What are we doing here? What are we doing here? What are we doing here? You know what I'm saying? So if you're either injured or you're hurt one of the two hurt

Starting point is 01:54:45 If you're weak, we all see what happened. Why are we playing like we didn't Looks like Sarah can juju. Did you just say something about high school? No, no, no juju, right number one girl Yeah, not even close. Yeah, right. She's playing against a girl on another team that's 3-5. Playing against Sigwell. They won the national champions. So this team is national

Starting point is 01:55:13 champs. Juju gets hurt five minutes into the game. Down. Misses the whole quarter. Oh, halftime. So she missed the rest. She can't move. Third quarter start.

Starting point is 01:55:30 Dog walking these girls. One angle. You can see the one angle. Dog walking. Gets hurt again, the other ankle. Came back in, four minutes left. So she only played like half the game. Beat this group by 15 by herself.

Starting point is 01:55:49 That is injured. You can physically see her dog walking. It was so embarrassing what she did. They went from three to one. And the number one team didn't even lose. The number one team didn't even lose. The number one team didn't even lose. But what she did on, you can see it. So don't tell me you got hurt 13 seconds.

Starting point is 01:56:12 They did. Good. And that's going, you played 42 minutes. And then you say, oh, my ankle was bad. Right? My ankle. Giannis went down. He didn't come back in the game. He didn't come back in the game.

Starting point is 01:56:26 He didn't come back in the game. He missed a game. He's trying to give a man credit for playing. Giannis missed the rest of the game. LeBron James played four games straight with tendons torn in his foot. That's LeBron though. 40 points. Then came out afterwards and said that I was playing with a...

Starting point is 01:56:46 It did not the same thing. No. Like you're playing through an injury. But he's dropping 40. I don't give a fuck what he's... He's dropping 40. I don't... He's losing.

Starting point is 01:56:55 He got swept. He's dropping 40. Sweat. So why are you trying to give... Sweat. He's dropping... Sweat. Wait, you're on the other side of the fence now.

Starting point is 01:57:04 No, I'm not. Yeah, you are. No. You're saying how other side of the fence now. No, I'm not. Yeah, you are. No. You're saying how he walked through Jimmy Butler and Jimmy Butler was hurt. And I'm saying no, he's not. I'm saying I'm not giving him credit for being hurt, but he played 42 minutes. Just like I'm not giving LeBron James credit for being hurt. And he averaged 28.

Starting point is 01:57:19 All I'm saying is Miami Heat got a chance to win. So let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, it's all I've been saying the whole time. Getting smashed. Let's bet something on it. It's time for finals. Hell no. We do not bet. We do pick them. We would do a pick up.

Starting point is 01:57:32 Let's go to the crown. We would do a pick up. Hell no. That is hell no. You smart. Smart man. I got it. I got it.

Starting point is 01:57:40 We do pick up. He not serious. We do pick up the National Geographic. I could all. I got it. This is my company. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.

Starting point is 01:57:48 I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.

Starting point is 01:57:56 I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it.

Starting point is 01:58:04 I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. I got it. Go ahead get your pick-ems in for the final tonight. But the thing is, we did all this bantering, this back and forth. Rashad's going to be the only one who wins some bread tonight. We already know that. Facts. So we need your picks. Facts. We need that confidence coffee. Gotta have it.

Starting point is 01:58:14 And we will all roll with those. But we've got to, so we asked the chat who they thought was going to win the finals. 2,000 people voted. 65% said Nuggets, Gil. 35% said Heat. The 35 that voted Heat. Y'all are delusional. Ask them to bet something for real. Pick something. Pick something on it. So now it's time to get everybody's finals predictions. I need who's winning, how many games, and who's the finals MVP, Gil. It's your show. You get to

Starting point is 01:58:40 go first. What? Who's winning, how many games? Who's the finals MVP? If it goes past, if it goes to five games, NBA cheated. Do y'all know the opening line

Starting point is 01:58:55 nine and a half was the biggest opening line in NBA finals history. Wow. It should be. That's what I said. Minus nine is the biggest line that Vegas has ever opened on an NBA Finals list. And the line is so big that they think people are stupid enough, which 35% is, they're going to take Miami Heat plus nine and a half.

Starting point is 01:59:22 I've seen Harlem Nights, so you never know what to expect. Plus nine and a half. Think about it. Nine and a half. So basically, all Heatights, so you never know what to expect. Plus nine and a half. Think about it. Nine and a half. So basically all Heat fans, they're like, oh, we get nine and a half points? We're taking it. Which means Vegas thinks that this is going to be a blowout game one. Yeah. Nine and a half.

Starting point is 01:59:38 Dude, nine and a half. Yeah, that's a blowout. Nine and a half. That's crazy. We got a chance. No, no, no, no. But watch this. Would you bet $1,000 with plus nine and a half? They can't lose by nine and a half.

Starting point is 01:59:54 Miami can't lose by nine and a half? Yeah, I'm going with exactly. Why do you think Vegas put nine and a half? Because everybody will. Everybody will bet nine. It's not going to be a blowout game. They will pick them. I got Miami. No, They will pick them. I got Miami winning this game. No, I'm saying Vegas.

Starting point is 02:00:06 I got Miami winning this game tonight. Vegas got them losing by damn 15 to 17. No way. No way. This is one of the largest, Gil. I think Cavs, Warriors, I think game one was like 12 and a half. It moved to 12 and a half. And I'm going to say Lakers.

Starting point is 02:00:19 No, I mean open. It moved to 12 and a half. Okay. It opened at 12. It opened. It moved to 12 and a half. Okay. It opened at 12. It opened at 12? We got some degenerates in this back. They know you. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 02:00:31 They know you pick them. So this is the second biggest open? It's close. I think third maybe. But get on Underdog Fantasy tonight. Get them pickups going. And if you win, go ahead and tag at Gil's Arena Show on Twitter with your winning ticket so we can give you some love on the show.

Starting point is 02:00:46 And we can also ask you about who y'all think. We know. Give me predictions. Who winning? How many games? Who's the final Jimmy? I'm going to go with Jimmy, man. I'm going with Jimmy and six.

Starting point is 02:00:54 He and six? Who you going with? I'm going with Jimmy. I'm riding it out with Jimmy, man. Seven. I'm going to take it seven, though. Okay. I'm going to give it just because it's Denver. I'm going with Denver, man. Denver's a good team. You know what I'm gonna take it seven. Okay, but give it this because I'm going with Denver's

Starting point is 02:01:08 Denver's a good team. You know, we're not going I'm going gentlemen sweet. You mad? He's rubbing off. I'm making sure because I know him. He thinks business. He thinks business. So I got to see what kind of gear everybody got all this. So far I was confident confident. He's a polite one. Gentleman sweep. Collab. Polite one. Gentleman sweep, meaning she thinks first game, then sweep. Okay. And I know how the internet works, so I'm going to go Nuggets at 4, 5, 6, or 7. Joker, Jamal Murray, finals MVP. Or he at 4, 5, 6, or 7.

Starting point is 02:01:36 4, 5, 6, or 7. I'm dead. Playoff, Jimmy, finals MVP. Fucking hilarious. Cut the shit accordingly. I'm dead. Hey, underdog, underdog, y'all think y'all smart, but I pay attention to everything. I've noticed there's no higher, lower threes for any of the Denver players.

Starting point is 02:01:57 You're not going to get KCP as three like you've been doing? That 2.5? That 2.5? I need that 2.5 higher, lower. Don't give me that 2.5. They'll probably do it after the next game. Don't give me that 2.5 higher or lower than the next game though. They'll probably do it after the next game. Go on, give me that 2.5 today. But the thing about the app is constantly updating because some people will fuck it

Starting point is 02:02:12 up and they'll move the lines on the app sometimes too. It's very disappointing y'all because I'll be seeing some, but I'll be forgetting to do it. When's a good time to change my pick? They have not put not one three point for tonight. If you know everybody's healthy, there's not going to be any issues. But then you get a situation like, you know, they had K-Love. Underdog, we got you.

Starting point is 02:02:30 You know I love K-Love. Come on, underdog. UCLA guy took the hire mistakenly, but it was a game he got removed from the starting lineup. You know he was going to get no burn. So you got to just monitor and watch how shit's moving. Okay. Usually right when they release those starting lineups, you'll know. Come on, underdog.

Starting point is 02:02:43 Come on. So soon as the line hits, I was like, whoo, them three-pointers. No three-pointers. You just got to keep checking back. The reason is, what's going on is, if Miami plays a zone, it's like playing a zone against Steffenham, right? That's exactly what they want. They want to shoot a whole bunch of threes.

Starting point is 02:03:04 So if you're giving them 42 threes, everybody on Denver is going to have at least two. That's why I say it's supposed to, it makes them a better coach to make an adjustment, knowing that you don't play the same series you played in Boston with fucking Denver. When they got a better team with better passers,

Starting point is 02:03:20 better shooters, you got to play them head up, make them drivers. Make them drivers. They're not used to driving. None of the guards used to drive. So we make them run them off the line make them drive sit band back there be the protection take charges. Kyle Lowry be in there taking them charges making them make the extra pass put that bitch on the floor. Sit band back where? In the paint. Where's Yoki? He's guarding Yoki. He's guarding Yoke is when Yoke is come to the paint. If Yoke is in at the paint. We can guard him with guards.

Starting point is 02:03:49 No, Yoke is not in the paint. Yes, we're living with that. Have you seen what he was doing? Yeah, he made like three of them. He made like three of them, but he can also pass the ball and then reposition right down. Here's the real problem. When we're really talking about it, because the lineup of Denver is so big and Miami's team is so little, Miami uses the zone to keep everybody from the paint because they

Starting point is 02:04:23 can't afford to get in foul trouble that's what I'm saying that's why if he gets in foul there so what ends up happening is he has to play zone if not if you're if you're if you have any type of intelligence we're just gonna we're just gonna beat the shit out of Bam because Bam can't once he's out two fouls he's out there's nothing else they adjust they out. There's nothing else. They adjust. They're making adjustments. There's nothing else. So what you're going to do is, I've been watching the breakdown of Boston

Starting point is 02:04:50 because I'm, what they're great at is they load the hell up. They're walling. They're going to wall you. I mean, everybody's on the weak side in their spots. Like, the rotations are amazing, right? So if you're just sitting around trying to play one-on-one basketball, you're not getting through this wall.

Starting point is 02:05:11 But the problem is if they try to go zone, if they try to play man, you're gonna have to literally try to play junk defense. That's what they doing. They do a switch up man to zone defense. They come up, they play you and they burn the clock to 14. Once they get you past half court, they make sure you got 10 seconds to go before you go into your offense.

Starting point is 02:05:29 Now they drop into a zone. But have they played against a team yet? Not where the zone works effectively. That's why I wouldn't play the zone against them. But they haven't played against a team. They played against individuals. Giannis, that was a, that's, like, when he left, they had to try to play a team, you know, New York,

Starting point is 02:05:48 and then you have two guys who just play one-on-one. One-on-one. They never played two, they wasn't playing two-man game. Denver plays two-man game. They play three-man action. They play actual old-school basketball. Pinch post, throw it to him. Right now, just give it to Tatum.

Starting point is 02:06:07 Brown's sitting there. I'm a little disappointed in you, Brent. I can't believe you picked Miami. Miami actually plays defense. What's going on? He going hard. He going hard. Is he finicky? We're playing against one guy. Listen, I got to play one-on-one. We're going to wall up.

Starting point is 02:06:22 Swing, swing. We're going to wall up. Wasn't there never a two two man game? Who? Tatum and Brown didn't play two man post action. Oh. Like because they were in the zone. No, even when they played man. They played man too. When they played man, they just played man. I remember that's not the Boston's offense to go and all that. It's a team who they're doing two man action on the side, curl man action on that side.

Starting point is 02:06:47 If we don't have it swinging, I'm gonna pin down, I'm gonna flash, we're gonna backdoor. They're playing against a team offense. But you know this is Bostra's type of game where he don't have to change defense strategy. There's a reason they've lost the last six against this. But look, this is what I'm saying. And they're all healthy.

Starting point is 02:07:04 With that team, with that offensive strategy you talking about, with pick and roll, we know as the Miami Heat, weak side load up, with this team, they're playing traditional, old school NBA basketball. Pick and roll, weak side, boom, boom, boom, move, move, move. So they know, Spoh know this, Spoh know this style, but it's about do we have the players to counterbalance that?

Starting point is 02:07:22 And let's just say, we don't, right? So we got to counterbalance that with energy effort double plays multiple effort plays. We got to play harder than them because they're a better team. We know that but we have confidence from our star our leader to say guys if we just hang in the game long enough we can steal it. We can steal one or all we yes we can hang in for you and still we can still to we can still to we can still to not like when go in and beat them, but we can still to from them because this Denver team will let you have one. If you still to win NBA should be drug tested. Yes, you can

Starting point is 02:07:57 still to you can still to who got to so far in this series. No, what I'm saying is if they have hero, if they had the players that Miami had, I get it. You're trying to steal two with a four guard lineup. Who got two though? Yes. When in reality. Nobody. When in reality, I can just technically say, all right, this is what we're gonna do.

Starting point is 02:08:20 Start out Jokic, Gordon, flash on whoever's guarding you because you're 16. Jimmy Butler. Okay. CP, Mike Porter Jr., flash. You gonna shoot it, we don't give a fuck. I'm just gonna flash into the post. You just gonna shoot, you gonna bail out. He definitely shooting.

Starting point is 02:08:38 He just gonna bail out. That's it, go post up. Your team is so small. I can just pick on you, make you double, like you got guards. But y'all not being y'all. Y'all now going through mismatches and y'all not being who y'all are. Y'all picking us apart.

Starting point is 02:08:51 I can't wait, what time is the game at? 530? I'm not even gonna really watch this game. We might stay till the whole game come on. Right. We might get blasted. We could do this all day y'all though, but let's move on to Mosey fans.

Starting point is 02:09:06 We appreciate y'all to the more than or nearly 7,000 people that are in the chat right now. Did not get us to 10K this week. Once again, you failed and betrayed us. Get y'all shit together. Do better. Do better is the main thing we can say. But now it's time for our favorite segment, Mosey fans. This was a very spirited conversation today, gentlemen.

Starting point is 02:09:23 Really appreciate it. Hope we keep that intensity. That hoop, man. That hoop shit, man. I need a bar. I'm mad that we aren't on these other days. I wish we could- He don't want to bet that crown, though.

Starting point is 02:09:32 That let me know. That let you know right there. He ain't serious. It ain't for bid. It ain't for bid. It ain't for bid. You better bet on something now. It ain't for bid.

Starting point is 02:09:40 The chat is fucking wild, man. Y'all some wild people out there. I'll be monitoring y'all comments all show long. There's a lot of foul shit y'all be saying and some of that shit might get you pulled up on but nonetheless. Oh my god. What are you talking about? That's all I want to talk about with the threes. Just don't bring up nothing. I never win with the threes bro.

Starting point is 02:10:00 The over, the higher, lower on like totals, just for Vegas. Vegas itself is 219. Points? I think that's reasonable. Underdog. You think it's going higher? No. What type of game for 219, what type of game do you think Miami got to try to do to compete with 219?

Starting point is 02:10:26 Score and don't play no defense 219 put it up. Hey you put it up. They said we're 20 to 99. We'll get it done 120 tonight, but that's what I'm saying. You're you're having a you're allowing a lot of points Defense don't with that different. Don't play no defense. No, they don't. No, they don't have. They don't have Miami's court. I thought it's like Miami might walk out of here with this game one. I will say that like two oh nine to ten means like like it's a like they're they're holding them to enough. It's one oh three one oh but that's something they're holding them enough to the point where it don't go but the

Starting point is 02:11:03 fact that you got the two nineteen means they think Denver is just. That's the plus 14 you was just saying. They're going to put them in that zone and they're just going to just 40-something threes. They can't give Denver 40-something threes. Nah. All right, so let's get to our Mosey fans. First one is from Deshaun McDonald. That ain't a real name.

Starting point is 02:11:18 He said, would you rather have a team full of people with Ben Simmons mentality or 80s durability? Whoa. I see. Some deep questions today. team for the people with Ben Simmons mentality or 80s durability? Wow. I see some deep questions today. When they say Ben Simmons mentality, he won't part of Ben Simmons. They don't shoot. But I got, we got it.

Starting point is 02:11:35 We got to say current defense. I got five first team defensive players. Are they all 16? I'll take, I'll take, I'll take that. But are y'all going to score a bucket? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:11:44 Dunks layups. Are they talking about summer? They did not specify. I don't want neither one. You said AD durability. Ben Simmons mentality or AD durability? I'll pick the guard. I'm gonna go with AD.

Starting point is 02:11:57 AD, because when I got him. Yeah. Because AD's already. You're gonna get it. Yeah, I'm gonna say AD's already proven. Yeah, I got him, I got him. I'm taking Ben. I'm taking Ben. But you're gonna get, AD you're gonna get game Yeah, I got oh my god. I'm thinking Ben I'm thinking but you're gonna get a deal and get game one game three game five

Starting point is 02:12:09 Oh, but so look now if that was 82 games, right? I got him for good 41 games Well now you got to cut half of that because of durability. Yeah, so I mean you only got them 20 some games not take me Okay I'll take me. Okay. I think that's right. That's fucked up. Look at this. That's fucked up. The score. I had that. I didn't even count. But if you have a team though, if you have 12 ADs on the team, I'm gonna roll my first five out. My first five. Yeah. First five. Yeah. Low manage that first five. Have a couple of ADs on two-way contracts just chilling. G League not playing. Then bring them up. But I'm bringing them up. I got Ben. Next question from Benjamin H.

Starting point is 02:12:47 Who was a player that you never got to face that you wish you could have played against? That I didn't get to face? Bob Cousy. I'm dead. Don't fucking worry about it. Probably Dame, Curry, Kyrie, John Morant. Would you cook them or who's cooking you in that group? It'd be fun to watch.

Starting point is 02:13:13 I'm gonna cook them at your small. But they cooking you on the facts. Yeah, there's gonna be a double cookie. There's gonna be 40, 45. There's gonna be two barbecue chickens. Yeah, it's gonna be... Man, probably Isaiah Thomas, Matt Magic. Owen?

Starting point is 02:13:29 Yeah, Magic. And then just be on the court with Michael Jordan, for sure, like Mike. I'm sorry about yourself. MJ for sure. Smoked his ass like a pack of camels. I smoked him before he won. And then AI in his prime. I got him as AI, but I don't really consider that right before he went to the Wizards.

Starting point is 02:13:46 I was like, I ain't going to consider you. No video? Did he delete the video? He was mad at me, though. He was, where that North Carolina nigga at? Bring him over here. Where he at? Bring him over here.

Starting point is 02:13:57 Talk about yourself. The girls I would have wanted to play against, I did, but we were much younger in this new generation. I don't really have any fans right now or or people that I'm like looking at like, Ooh, I wish I would have played like, nah. All right, last question for you Gil. Did you really make a million shots in three months? A hundred thousand.

Starting point is 02:14:14 A hundred thousand in three months? A million, no a hundred thousand. I'm about to say. I remember that, that was a block. Zero, yeah they just. They threw another zero in there. They must've went to public school. Public school you can get a good education now, some of them. Well we appreciate...

Starting point is 02:14:29 Hey, hey, hey, no, we have to have a take on this, right? Our top ten Everlists. Of all time. We gotta do it on the show. Are we doing it by criteria? What are we doing it by? We're gonna have a lot of free time. Position by position. No, no, because I've seen doing it by we're gonna have a lot of free time by position. Because I see a lot of day I see someone top 10 right and I get they had Duncan to right

Starting point is 02:14:55 and I was like, I'm not mad at it. Right? Right. Yeah. And I was like, all right, Duncan to LeBron three, right? It was a statistical right. And then they had a name in there that I just refused to put into the top 10, top 15, Bill Russell. You refused? I can't. Stop the Bill Russell. It's your beef with Bill. It's valid, though. He was playing at Chuck's.

Starting point is 02:15:20 He was playing against old white men. Getting the 1960 version of the Celtics. Everything I looked at does not match top five of all time. It's the opponent. In his era, Gil. Even as far as his skill set, he didn't have a skill set. Hustle. That's it.

Starting point is 02:15:39 Gil, he had 49 rebounds. Block shots. He was an excellent rebounder. He was an excellent rebounder, an excellent offensive rebounder, an excellent shot blocker. No, no, no. Steal, he steal the ball. No, no.

Starting point is 02:15:50 So what I did, what I'm looking at his numbers, I'm like, so he was a defensive player, and because he just was so athletic that he just got, like his scoring average offensively, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 15. So I'm like, there's only seven black people in the league. What like you're the most athletic thing in the league. Yeah, but this is what you're not factoring in. They not go give him the rock. He was playing on the Celtics.

Starting point is 02:16:18 He was you know, go do all the work. He was exactly nobody's been Wallace. But he could have been like he could have been like, he could have been like, we're not giving you the rock. No, no, no, no. Go rebound, boy. No, but I'm saying it's you to go rebound.

Starting point is 02:16:30 That's the thing. That's the time you ain't getting the goddamn rock, boy. Go rebound. There was another rookie that came in with him who made the All-Star game

Starting point is 02:16:38 and was Rookie of the Year. So I'm like, how talented was this team, one, and you were literally just a defense of players. Because a few years later, Wilt Chamberlain comes in the league, right? So I'm looking at what we consider offense, and I'm like, well, if you're the only black, he's another black. He's scoring 38 in the same rebounds, 40 in the same rebounds. He's averaging 50 in the same rebounds while you're 16, 17.

Starting point is 02:17:10 So I'm like, oh, you're a junkyard dude. But wait, is that good? I can't put a junkyard dude in the top five. Is the offense is the only criteria that we put as? Big piece. But why do we do that? Because there's another guy who's giving the same rebounding. That's important.

Starting point is 02:17:26 But not the same defense. He's doubling. But not the same defense. He's doubling everything. But that's just the one guy, though. He's talking about Bill Russell against everyone else. It's like his defense, his championships, and his capability of potential puts him above because he accomplished things.

Starting point is 02:17:42 No, because when all of them, all the guys, all the other people who came into the league that was offensive, they destroyed. The big O, triple W. The guys who actually had any type of offense, literally, it shows.

Starting point is 02:18:01 It literally shows. So I'm looking at his numbers like, what the fuck is wrong? So you think they put them in the top five because of winning and they wouldn't yeah, not because not because you in a you bracket there's four teams and 14. Yes, that's that's not and this is why there's no free agency. Which means is us for against you for right? That's what these for these four and then when you don't like your team and you're trying to do something you just give us your four, right? These four, these four, and then when you don't like your team and you're trying

Starting point is 02:18:26 to do something, you just give us your player. Right? So it's an AAU bracket. And it's like, everybody made the All-Star game. Because it's not, like, that's the sad part. It's four teams in each conference.

Starting point is 02:18:41 Can we start the list at 1980? But they have 15 players that make the All-Star team. If we do top 10, can we start the list at 1980? But they have 15 players to make the All-Star team. If we do top 10, can we start the list? 24 players to make the All-Star. I'm what I'm saying, 24. So you get the same amount

Starting point is 02:18:52 of All-Stars as today with eight teams. So basically, you're coming off the bench making All-Star games. So I don't even value your All-Stars. This is a lot to get into.

Starting point is 02:19:02 The people love this convo. Top 80s? We've got... Start at the 80s.vo. The 80s? We've got... Start at the 80s. Start at the 80s? Don't give away what we can sell, Gil. When it merged into actual NBA? Yeah.

Starting point is 02:19:13 We're going to do it on the Gil's Arena. Hey, this is a good take, y'all. This is a good take. If someone in the media that wasn't black said when the merge happened black people What happened was, you know back then it was just weed and but like right we did but light of the NBA when it merged I would probably just giggle because it would be true as shit. Where do you think we was getting it from? We don't have no boats. Back in the seventies, all clean cut sandals. Everything was good. You know-cut sandals. Everything was good.

Starting point is 02:20:06 Sandals. Sandals. It was good. We'd eat open-toe shoes. Open-toe shoes, beers, but everything was amazing. Here come Hennessy. Ladies, Dave, Jerry Curl. Hennessy.

Starting point is 02:20:16 Hennessy. Jerry Curl. Cadillac. Cadillac. Cadillac. But those are the type of racist jokes. Soul change. But those are the type of racist jokes you just be like, man, I'm gonna chew his shit.

Starting point is 02:20:27 They ain't lying. I'm gonna chew his shit. These niggas are in pain as a goddamn league. We didn't invent it. All that shit was forced on us. I know, but I'm just saying. They knew once that ultra perm hit the curl. Cadillac.

Starting point is 02:20:38 Cadillac. That ultra perm. Them brohams and whatnot, but we appreciate y'all tapping in with us. It sounds like we got... Sounds Sounds like hold on. Hold on 10,000 what happened? Yes. Oh, yeah, my bad. Yeah, you was complaining about underdog not posting the Threes on the pick'ems. Uh-huh. They gave you some threes They gave Jamal Murray higher lower three three-pointers and Aaron Gordon higher lower point five

Starting point is 02:21:07 you might fuck around and hit a three tonight go give us 42 of them hell no I'm taking that bet lower we ain't we just ain't no market we don't got no market smarts over here and just as a little teaser for y'all depending on how these finals break out we may do some more watch parties let us know in the chat if you fucking want it, if you want to see it. We appreciate y'all rocking with us on Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. We'll be back every week. And the series will be tied 1-1. Outro Music

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