Gil's Arena - Giannis Is FINALLY Ready To Move On From Milwaukee

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

Giannis Antetokounmpo Is FINALLY Ready To Move On according to Gilbert Arenas as Gil & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Giannis officially announcing he's ready to find a new home before the NBA Trade Deadline and predict where the Greek Freak may land as the Milwaukee Bucks are listening to trade offers for their franchise superstar for the first time ever. They then react to Derrick Rose getting his flowers as the Chicago Bulls retired the former MVPs jersey on Saturday Night and discuss D-Rose's impact on basketball in the city of Chicago before breaking down Luka Doncic & LeBron James responding to JJ Reddick's request to pass more as the dynamic duo has powered the Los Angeles Lakers to a 4-1 record over their last 5 games. Finally, they discuss Joel Embiid's quiet resurgence as the Philadelphia 76ers superstar looks to have gotten his groove back, sparking a debate on if the Sixers should finally be taken seriously with their Big 3 of Embiid, Tyrese Maxey and Paul George firing on all cylinders for the first time in their 76ers careers. PLEASE give us a Like and Subscribe!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants, Norris Cole, & Brandon Jennings Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $75 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... If prescribed, new sexual health patients get $15 off their first order of Sparks on a recurring plan. Connect with a provider at https://ro.co/arena to find out if prescription Ro Sparks are right for you. SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:59 Giannis Is Ready For A New Home 0:07:13 Derrick Rose Gets His Jersey Retired 0:51:53 LeBron & Luka Learn To Pass 1:22:34 Rashad's Crazy JJ Redick Take 1:30:42 LeBron's Take On NBA Injuries 1:55:42 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We have some breaking news coming from ESPN's Shams Sharani in regards to Janice's future with the Bucks. So earlier this morning, Shams said that Janice is ready for a new home at the February 5th NBA Tread Day line or in the off season. with a report that NBA teams are making aggressive offers to them the Milwaukee Bucks form, and the franchise is starting to listen.

The two-time MVP is out for at least the next four to six weeks after suffering a calf strain and a loss of the Nuggets this past Friday. Bucks are 3 and 12 without Yannis this season, but just 15 and 15 with him in the lineup. Currently 12th in the east, one spot behind the Charlotte Hornets who are now 11th. And Adam Silver's Eastern Conference, Greek Freak has been critical of his teammates and future with the team recently. while attempting 13 or less shots in five straight games. So Yianos will become eligible to sign a four-year, $275 million Supermax extension on October 1st.

If he decides not to sign that extension, he would become an unrestricted free agent in the 27 offseason by declining a $63 million player option that summer. So according to the report, the bucks are in no rush to trade Yannis unless their price point is met. They won a young star, a lot of draft capital. So again, what's your business?

reaction to the report that the Bucks are listening to trade offers for Janice and will move him by the deadline or this off season? By the deadline? The trade deadline next Thursday. Okay, first of all, like the only teams that's going to trade during the

deadline is teams that thought their teams was going to be good in their trash. So it's not going to be no championship caliber teams that's going to be making big trades like that. Most good teams make, you know, middle-of-the-road trades that can help them on the bench or a solid player that can not star power to then try to leapfrog to the championship.

So I don't see them getting anything that they want. I don't know who's desperate enough to give up whatever to have, Orlando. I mean, I don't even think Cleveland. Cleveland will have to break up their whole team for Yon. Like, there's nobody that's... Because John us want to live in Cleveland. The Knicks? Can't train them.

The Knicks is a playoff team. What are going to trade their whole team for them? Like, it doesn't... No team does it. Huh? I know a team that'll do it. Right now that's in a playoff contention? I don't know about that.

I don't know about that. I don't know about that. No, I mean, a lot of teams that do it. I'm talking about the teams. The teams that are trying to, that they have... Is that team in the Eastern Conference? Second round to championship X-Bard. They're not making a trade for him right now.

That would happen in the summer. Because you don't have enough time to think. These niggas is that smart. So you're thinking about somebody who's impulsive. Right? Impulsive, I just need to do something because I'm about to get fired or something like that. Didn't they make that trade.

But other than that, it's going to happen in the summer. Or it's going to be a bottom-feeding team that can do it. There are teams in the NBA that fit the criteria of having Youngstar draft capital that they could send over to the Miami Heat. Norse, you said you know a team. I know a team that's been waiting for, A couple years that scene is coming down the line. Would you like to share with the group?

Yeah, you know who it is. We all know who it is. And they got the picks. Who is it? They got the young star. The heat. They got picks, first round picks coming up. So a team.

They got a young star in Jellwell, where. And they also got hero too, who some think, you know, is a borderline star. So they have some packages. And they have capital as far as to match the contract with, Wiggins, you know, aspiring consulate. So they can do some things to make it happen by the deadline. And if he'd get the deal by the deadline, he could still get that supermax that he's looking for too. If he get it done by that deadline, that's why they put that in there.

And that's obviously any team that's willing to trade for Yonis would need the assurance that he's not going to opt out 2027. And test free agency, that would be willing to sign that attention. I would like to see that happen for obvious reasons. Test the free agency? Mm-hmm. Yeah, he has October 1st. He can sign that for your $275 million supermax extension. If he opt out in 2027, become a free agent.

I'm not saying well, I'm just telling you the options that are on the table right now for the Greek freak. My favorite Greco Nigerian. Shipped over this side, Mr. B, Mr. 414, we talked about this story yesterday. Yesterday you said you thought that Janice had played his last game in Milwaukee Bucks uniform. Do you still feel that same way? Yeah, yeah, I do. I see what the reports that come out. I don't know if it's going to happen in the Tread Dayline,

but I know it's going to happen by the summertime or something. But it's been, I mean, you know, it's been going on. I mean, it's been rumors and everything like that. So, I mean, we all saw it coming. You know, the team isn't good at all. You know, he keeps getting hurt. You know, the fans are booing. He's going back.

So, you know, it's just time to just wash our hands. And both parties just move on. I mean, he did come in there and he did win a championship. So at the end of the day, it took 50 years. And he's the one that came in there and did it. a lot for the city. So at the end of the day, I would just clean my hands up and just move on peacefully in it. I mean, just get what you going to give back from. I would tank for the rest of the season and then use all those draft, use all those first round picks and everything we got

and just try to see what we can get. Bucks have the less favorable of theirs or the Pelicans pick in this year the NBA draft. Obviously the Pelicans are trash as well, so it should be a reasonable lottery pick. But let's shift over to Cemetery Larry Schachter Damas. What are you thinking about this latest report from Shams that the Bucks are listening to trade offers for Janus with a deal likely to occur sometime before the trade deadline or this offseason. I remember a conversation we was having in the group chat while back maybe two years ago I mentioned Janice having a type of loser mentality when he went to the ownership and wanted to demand

get the guys he wanted they ended up getting rid of Drew ended up going to get Dame I wasn't good enough got Adrian Griffin got rid of Adrian Griffin 30 and 13 as a Bucke's head coach before he was dismissed

wasn't good enough he's been hurt three of the last four seasons when it comes to the playoffs did play in the playoffs last last season of the two previous ones being available um it just doesn't look nice it looks it looks nasty it looks it's been looking nasty I think the way he's handled it he wants it to look good I don't think it looks good at all seeing that he did a self-imposed injury

evaluation of itself telling everybody how he's not going to be playing and then fans booing him, not booing him, booing the team, him being the leader of the team, him complaining about his teammates, giving him the ball. A lot of the shit that you don't see real stars go through. And now having to be moved, leaving your kingdom, says a lot. Don't want to really see it from a good star like him.

He plays hard every night. He wears his heart on the sleeve. He's very prideful. He says he's a warrior, but... What kind of warrior? I don't know. A golden state war or... I don't know. I don't know.

Aquilees never went and fought for the other team. You know, stay down. So it just, just hope he gets what he wants, you know, because the grass ain't greener on the other side, especially when your injuries have to answer to something. You have to get healthy. You have to take that other team that you're going to. You have to take them to the next level.

That's going to be your expectation. It's leaving here, similar to how KG left. When KG left, his expectation was to win the championship, and he did. So now it's pressure on you now. More pressure than it was for you rebuilding. So let's hope he gets what he wants. It just don't look good in my eyes. in my eyes.

So, Yannes, one of the longest 10-year players to play with the same team in the league behind Stefan Dreyman. Wait, he asked for a trade or they're open to listen to trades? I think the rumbley from behind the scenes are Yannes yet to ask for a trade officially. So he's not asked, so it's a team. This is coming from Shams. Shams has been obviously reporting on this. Hopefully the team gets what they want back.

Yeah, I mean. So Shams said he's looking for a new home. No. That's what it's what's supposed to. That's what the quote said. That's what the quote said. He's looking for a new home. Can we put these shams?

Open to it. That has to mean Yanis is open to that. They can't just come out and say that without him. Yonis, ready for a new home at the February 5th NBA trade deadline or in the off season. Yonnis says not officially requested a trade. That's exactly what he said. Leak sources tell is ready for a new.

You know, yeah. League sources. In names the terms, he's ready to tell. He didn't say he's. He didn't say he's. Obviously, absolutely. People have been critical of Sean's reporting. Shams were talked about the Knicks had talked

about a trade in the off-season and the Yana and his representatives through his representatives was basically saying it was time to chunk the proverbial deuses but he ain't looking good so so looking around the NBA landscape deal like you mentioned not a lot of high-level contenders currently trying to make moves of that magnitude which teams make the most sense for Yannis if he wants to compete for championships to compete for a championship there's only been one team that's made a trade this whole time. The Wizards.

Like a major trade. That's the only thing. All these motherfucking teams need to be making trades. Well, we have to the next Thursday. Teams that thought they had expectation. Atlanta thought they had expectation. Everybody worked.

They sold. I mean, they trade. That's what happened. During trade deadline, that's when you think about trading. This is where we're supposed to be. We're not there. Then I get rid of somebody.

So looking at Detroit, Detroit ain't trade nobody. Right? We don't need to get better. We like what we have. Like teams that are at the top, we like what we have. We are reassessed in the offseason. Now, a team like Cleveland, they'll think about it,

but they're not going to make a move. We've got to get rid of a lot of people. Orlando might think about it, but those are bottom-fitting teams now, right? Miami, right? They need a star, so they're not going to try to win this year. If I got to get rid of my whole team for Yonis, I can do that,

And then we'll figure that shit out in the summer. So those are the teams that make those moves, Clippers? Golden State. Golden State. Sacramento. But those are teams are not going to win a championship. I'm just saying trade. Oh, yeah.

Goddum teams will trade. Ain't nobody making no. We're not shaking up the shit. We're not shaking up the shit. Usually every summer we see a blockbuster. We see some type of three team trades, some type of movement. We haven't seen shit. Like, we saw a blockbuster trade.

Last deadline. Trade. Luca Donchick Coming to the Lakers That was blockbuster Very questionable return for the man They'll be the one Josh still out there

And the Mavs just made a big trade When they got Desmond Which they gave up a Yeah, Matt You gave those four Unprotected Fit Too much Yeah I don't see

Even Minnesota I just don't Like it'd have to be Like if we're doing star for stars So I don't have to break up my whole team You remember like This is the trade Then I got to process

This trade For Janus in real time. Not all summer. In real time, I got to sit here and say, well, what do they want? Okay, I got to, okay, this piece, this piece. What do we get back? They don't, they, them, they're not smart like that. Think about what you're saying.

If a team has to ask what they want, is Janus not a game changer? Okay, a game changer. Whatever the fuck they won't, they get, is Janus. It's Janus for sure. He's going to change our dynamic immediate. If that's the case. The case is, we get Janus.

Who do we have that's available to give away? Okay, again, he's on a team right now, right? Yeah. What do they look like with him and those players? Not good. What it would look like without him? Worse. No, no.

All those players' numbers go up without the guy. No, the players' stats go up, the record don't. But they're closer to winning than they are with him. What I'm saying is he is on the team, you know, so y'all can say, yeah, he does this. But again, if I'm trading my players for him, what am I going to look for after? So a team that has Janus, and we're thinking about championships, I have to think about the assets that can go with him. So it's one team looking for a championship, and the other team is looking for a championship.

Yes. So if you're Milwaukee, you're trying to rebuild. Yeah, you don't care. Right. So if you're the Miami Heat, if you're the Orlando Magic, if you're certain other teams, we know with Janus takes us from here. to here. No, media.

It doesn't. It does. If I just add, Yonis, it does. What if I have to give up Wagner and Ben Chiro? You're going to help my team? Yes.

No. Because Wagner's barely playing Ventero playing like team. I want you guys to play Orlando, but it'll help Miami. It'll definitely take Miami to the game. So if I get rid of Bam and Hero. Of course.

So I got to think about who I got to get rid of. But you can. You can. Because they're not playing at the level right now to sustain them. Get rid of the younger. But that's what I'm saying. I got to get rid of a whole bunch of pieces to bring him in.

I know. I'm with you. I'm making the deal. If you take them to All Stars for a Mega Star, I'm taking the Mega Star. This is what we're doing. We take Bam and Hero. We'll give you Yonis clear trade.

Let's take that. Easy, because now we still got pieces around that are better than the pieces that are in Milwaukee. The pieces that are left in Miami right now are better than the pieces that are in Milwaukee right now. They're not left because you're just making it up. What do you mean? No, you just came up. your own scenario to keep BAM and the stars there while bringing Yannis.

No, no, no. I'm saying Bam and Hero go to Milwaukee for Yonis. And you think they go. I'm not saying that. Yeah. They just as bad. I'm going to get rid of the BAM and Hero bring Yonis to try to win the championship, Malay. Come on.

They're not worse than that. If I add him with BAM and Hero, it in heightens me. But I'm getting rid of my stars to bring another star and say we're a championship ready. Come on. We have, if this is. a guy who can take your franchise to the next level, bro, if he goes to any team. He just don't want to play in Milwaukee. He's a consensus top three players.

Well, you have to come up off up with a little weird. He's not. You don't need pieces. You need... You need... Okay, how about the... You don't need a stacked deck, though. You don't.

I'm like, I don't think Deionis needs a stack deck like a lot of these other stars do. He just needs some competent, good role players. And that's the nine... That's all, Yonneses. You don't need... A lot of these stars need a deck to be stacked. Okay, let's straight. Let's do something like we're intelligent.

Let's trade him to a team. They compete for a championship today. Today? So that means wherever he's going, you have to make a trade where he's going to compete for a championship. There is one team that... The East is a wide open.

Why can win the East? Say that. I don't think of what happened, though. What? The Thunder? To give up who? For Janus, the whole team? Chet?

Chet, who? Ooh, and who else? There has to be four or five more people. They have the draft capital. And San Antonio got the draft capital. You got the money. San Antonio has to, okay, but you'll make that money. San Antonio will do it.

And they'll take all these drafts. They got to ask this to do it. And capital to do it. I'm not saying I see it happening. It's about who's afraid to pull the trigger on such a thing that could happen. Based on what you believe your franchise can do with Janus.

If we got him, are we willing to give up X, Y, Z? Like you just said, if it's OKC? Yeah, but they were at first, they're not even on that contract yet. That contract kicks in, I believe, for Chet next season? Next season. So the trade they're going to do before. Money doesn't match. So they're going to have to lose.

Do you feel like San Francisco can make the money match? Of course he can. Jalen Williams. So you're going to lose out of the teams in there. There's a lot of creative ways to make it happen. You go, Chet Caruso. You definitely had to make him. Chalricosol.

Do it. I don't want Caruso. Give me Chet. And about what you want. Give me them and play. That matches. And then what you need one more, I think you'd be like $5 million short

to hit that $50. You need four or five. How, Wiggins and one of them niggins. Take one of them niggins. That's the one of the road. That's what I'm saying. The money has to match. Their money doesn't match up yet because they just signed it.

You can make the money match. Hardin's not. Hardin's signed a big deal. Hardinstein making $29 million this year. I'm just saying you go him and heart. So you lose him, Chet. Doort. Jay.

D. D. D. D. D. D. You lose your whole team. No, we still got Corral.

We still got Wiggins. We still got Jolla. We still got SGA. We still got SGA. We still got Jannis. With Janus. Yes. But it's not just them because I see we're trying to make it happen with them.

Yeah. It's a bunch of teams. I just threw them out there. You go to the Spurs out there. The Spurs. Now, on the Spurs. Who money matches up? The whole team?

I don't go. Gil, it matches up, buddy. There's ways to make it worse. I wouldn't make it work. I wouldn't do it with the Spurs. I just want to do it with the Spurs. I just want to make it got out. Don't know, because we've got it.

Now let me make it work with all them rookies on rookie contracts. Gil, there's other players on the Spurs besides their rookie. Pull them. Because you're going to have to pull them off. So Deyre Fawkes, make it 37 million. Devin Vessel, make it $27 million. Devin Vessel. A hand him rid of him.

Harrison Barnes is making 19 million. I don't want. I want young. Kelvin Johnson making 18 million. So you got three of them. You got three of them. There's plenty of teams that can make it happen. I don't know why I'm like him.

I don't know why no other teams is thinking about making it happen. Because I'm the second in the West, right? You got to remember, they have to accept my pieces too. I get it. Right? So I'm second in the West. This is what my team looks like. So you don't think.

Why am I going to, why am I making this drastic move? Well, you should. Who has done it in history? But you're looking for the top two. You're talking about a Detroit or first. These are teams that are going to be top two regardless if they make the move or not. Let's talk about a Clippers. Let's talk about a 4-5.

But that's what I said. No 4-17. Right. That can go from 6-7 to 3-4. Exactly. They can now compete, like you said, competing for a championship is different. How good do you think, Yon is this?

If you think he is good as top three player in the world, like he bent consensually, then he is working. How many great things? How many great teams that started off the season in championship potential made a mid-season trade for a drastic. Remember, Kevin Durant was the biggest name that got traded during trade deadline.

So you don't even need to go back in history if Kevin Durant was the biggest thing. I mean, Kevin Durant was the first, he was, when he got traded. When he got traded, he was the biggest name that ever got traded for mid-season. That means the teams that won championship never made moves like that. So if you are thinking your team is that you're not going to make a move for a big name like this

unless you're just trying to offload and go, what's the name? So when you're thinking about Janus, it's only going to be the bottom teams. And if you're the bottom teams, yeah, you're going to make a trade. Now you've got to say, are you willing to stay? But not necessarily because if it's New York, if it's the Knicks and we make that move. Make that move. Automatically, where does that put us? puts us in top two.

Top two. With Yonis, we get rid of cat, Josh Hart, and Ann and Oval. O.G. O.G. And, and, um, what's the name? I want young pigs, too. I don't want these old bills.

You don't get young pigs. The bucks reportedly don't want cap, so it have to be a three-team trade. You get what we give you. The bucks ain't going to win that. But that's the thing. Do you want to get rid of the doc? The guy that's there?

No, no, because we could just sign them and give this. I'm going to off. I want off these books. Get me off these books. You're trying to pretend, like you're pretending that the team, he's coming to a team the way it is. That team is getting ripped apart. No, not necessarily because you still got Brunson.

You still got Bridges. You still got McBride. No, I don't want that shit. You're not getting them. No, I'm saying New York keeps them. No, I know you're trying to keep it. I, Milwaukee, don't want that shit you got giving me. Why are you giving me your P?

I don't want that shit. I keep telling you. You don't want to? No. Why you don't want to? Because I don't want it. But you got Kuzma. All the shit you got, you want it.

I don't want it. All the shit you got you want what we got. I got rid of a guy who's in a wheelchair. I got splitting me. Motherfucking, you're in this situation because you ask for all the shit you got. You're paying two different coaches 30 million apiece. You bring this bum-ass nigger dock in here to do some more bullshit. Then you get rid of Dame Liller, pay him another hundred million.

To go back home, like, what the fuck you mean? You don't want this shit. Take what the fuck we give you, man. We don't know it. I don't want it. You have Milwaukee fucking bucks. You don't get to fucking come to the fucking front of the line and say, give me this.

Yeah, I can't. You know what? Get to the fucking back. I got this. I got this. I got this. I got this. I got this.

I got this. And you're paying rosewood. This motherfucker just moved to Miami and said, I got motherfucking keys to a new apartment. down here. I'm not in there. I'm not over there no more. Y'all don't remember. He just went to the press conference and said, I'm hurt. Who? Yeah. I'm hurt. The doctors didn't say it. A doc didn't say it. He said, I'm hurt. He knows his body. I don't know if the owner wants to pay him that, though. I don't know if the the bucks don't, the buck's owner don't want to pay, Janice that. And he knows that so he can leverage

that. They don't have to take something that they don't like. You know that. They don't have to get everything they want, but they don't have to take something that they're not. But that owner is not I don't want to pay I don't have to take it I don't have to take it I don't have to take it Either or pay the man

Have to like I don't have to either Just like you just said What did you just say it? If I don't want it I don't have to do what? I don't have to I don't have I don't have Dane

I don't want it You got to give me something To get rid of me bro Okay Give my brain Same we got rid of him For nothing Who that

Got nothing Game got hurt For nothing. But Dame got right. I think there's Dame. I think there's a big, if you're going to get rid of Dame for nothing,

you can give, you can go to New York and get Kat and O.G. and McRye or Mitchell Robbins. So you can go get some motherfuckers up there that can actually help us stay in seven, eight. I don't want to stay in seven, I want to be in 12. Seven, eighth.

So you're not going to give me pieces you don't want. I'm going to pick my, I have, I have, is it, Euros taking over? Yeah. I have one of the top, top five player in the league. You're going to give me what I want because I don't have to do nothing.

I don't care what he talk about over here in his different language. He can be, he can do whatever he wants to do. He can say, oh, I got a sprain knee cap muscle. I don't care. My team suck. The more he don't play, the better we get in the draft. I really personally don't care as the owner. Business-wise, what I'm not going to do is.

I'm not going to take a whole bunch of players. that I don't want or don't need. I'm not in that situation. So you tank him for a younger town? I don't need to take. Just don't play him. You remember what Houston did? You still got to pay.

He still got to pay John Wall. He still had to pay John Wall. He still had to pay John Wall. How does my team look now? Because of John Wall, I said him, hey, I'm going to pay you, stay home so we can lose. And then I can see these players. I can see what I want and then get rid of what I don't want,

and we can get more draft picks. So they're going to be. That's how that started. They're going to pay you on a 60 million a year, 70 million years to not play, there's no way that owner sign up for that. He said he has a bruised knee muscle toe cap. He did not say that. He said.

He knows. And we believe him. We stand with him on this. We missed the whole year, right? Is he going to sign in October? I don't know. I personally don't care. You know why?

Because there's one thing these owners never understood. What's that? And there's only one person in history. That's tested them. But we can tell you that test wasn't a real test because he got paid in the back end. The real negotiation, the real thing is this. It's like why? Free agency comes up.

He is unrestricted. What is the, remember the NBA is designed for you not to leave, your team. Okay. So you got 400 million from us. You got 275 here. That's a decision you have to make. That's a decision you have to make. Right?

I don't have to sign you to trade you. If you debt bowsy with your life, you're going to take, you're going to keep down $130 million. That's you. The only person that did that was Kauai, but now we know he didn't have to make a decision because they made it back up and something else.

He was the only person that said, what I'm a free agent, I'm going to leave and leave this 300 something for two. No one does it. Everyone gets signed and trade because they don't want to loot. They want the money here in that city versus no, you go to that city with that money. No one does it. Free agent coming up? So, Janice is eligible to sign an extension October 1st, four-year $275 million.

$400, what? A $4-year $275 million. If he opt not to sign that extension with the buck, that'd be October 1st. If a deal doesn't happen before that, he can be a free agent summer of 2027. So next summer, he can opt out of the final year. He can opt out. And then go wherever he please for less money. It ain't going to be necessarily less money when you're a free age, unrestricted. You're going to be honest.

They can't match. It's all about what they can afford. No, what I'm saying is, you remember, you know how the country? Here is like, the bird rights can always be in the most money. I get 400 here. I get like $2.90 somewhere else if I'm leaving. That's the decision your is going to have to make. Like with Cleveland

and LeBron. I said, there's no decision if I'm Cleveland. I'm not going to sign you to the 120 you want so you can go to Miami. No, not go. Go. That's, go. That's 90. You can only sign 90 million over there.

Go. And then you save money with it. Yeah, I saved the money. But what I'm saying is you want the decision. It was never a decision because I want to go to Miami, but I want your max. A real decision is go there for the 90. Turn down the 120. Do Milwaukee have pieces right now to help Janus if they traded the pieces?

they have to help him do wait say it again if he does Milwaukee have pieces to trade that can bring in other players that can help him right yeah they got who huh who

uh you can trade kuzma you're gonna offer you're gonna trade kuzma for a kuzma kuzma kuzma for a kuzma you're gonna get a kuzma back hold on hold on hold on what the fuck y'all reporter junior

you can get rid of You can trade Kuzma to be a third, fourth option on a better team than trying to make him the second option. What are you going to get back? That's what I'm asking. What pieces do we have? It's going to help Yon and the state. Kevin Porter.

Here I see you rubble your hands together trying to make a fire. Those three. Okay, there's one piece I like, and he's a hidden gym. And if he moved and finally got his ass up out of there, he will help a team. and his daddy owe me money. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Who is this player?

I do some strings was attached to it. Who is this player? Grant. And in Portland. Ah. His daddy owes your money. Yeah. But you're talking about move Grant to me.

No, no, no, no. No, no, not I said moving into Milwaukee, but that piece right, that, that is a gold, that's a golden piece right there. Oh, 100%. Yeah. He can definitely help anybody. I don't know how he's still high in there. What does I have to do with the Yanis?

Oh. I was just thinking about that piece But that's a piece And no peace on Milwaukee It's worth that even that golden goose That's a golden goose right there What you mean So you would have to get rid of what I'm saying

You gotta get rid of Yonis Mous Bridges For who? Cusma Not a chance You don't want? Not a chance You don't want Mousin'Irs? No, I do

I mean if I'm Charlotte I'm not taking Kuzma for Mouss Bridges You're Charlotte You're a good dog Now you know what But we got We got another He's a golden goose

Just like Jeremy Gray No work with me here You remember what you said About Milwaukee They should do what Right Use that same logic On Charlotte

You are Charlotte Right Y'all is Charlotte Y'all son You're gonna take what I give you So you're gonna take Kuzma Give me that that

That's what you said About the Buck You said that in Charlotte The Hornets are currently 11 The Bucs are NBA champions We still got Brandon Miller, we got Colin. The bucks are NBA champion.

We got some motherfuckers over here in Charlotte. Yeah, yeah, growing. We want to take those before they become. Cousma, Kevin Porter, Jr., and Bobby Porter. Those are. I don't know if I get rid of Bobby. I'm just, if I'm a team, whatever I want to get to bring Janus hand, I think he that good.

So I don't care what's left with the team. Bye. You don't care what's left with the team? No, I think Yon is that good. It's going to take you, what, two years? One year. A year. A half a half.

A happy year. A happy, yeah. To get players? No. He don't need to stack. You don't need to get the deck stack like how you. You don't know. He don't need the deck side, but we're watching his team right now.

Are they terrible? He don't need a player like Chris. So you're going to keep terrible and say we don't need to stack that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He going to need a parallel. Just about the players that's a lot going on Milwaukee that's terrible. It's just the players. If you took it right now, that's like taking him.

That's like putting him with with Jai and Memphis for JJ. Jee Jee. They're terrible. They terrible. No J.J.J.J. And the rest of them, they ain't like that. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I'm saying with just Jaron Jackson, Jr. by himself with Jog, you know, he's coming in and out. We don't know what he's going.

So you just remove J.J.J.J.J. and just put. Yon is over there. They're going to be good. Huh? You think they'd be good? If you're not, if you're not trying to get shit back from the, if you the bucks and you're like, I don't, you're trying to get some young shit, nigga. I think they'd be tough.

They're going to be tough. I think that way. I think anywhere Yonis go to. Because J.J.J.J. the problem is he don't rebound for big. He sits on the outside, right? Your guard takes all the hits. Now you got Yonis taking the hits

and they're worried about him and not jopping. Oh, my gosh. Ass breaks, all that. Yeah, yeah. It's different game. That's Joss type of game. But, I mean, that's a hypothetical that might be extreme. But the fact that we can,

if we're the bucks, we're like, all right, we're going to be young and we're going to take, we're going to take our time with this, but you don't got pieces to move to bring in and make him, make him a contender with this team. Man, you got to move, Janus. You got to move him now.

You don't wait to the off season. I wait for the off season. Oh. You wait until the off season. Is this more. How many weeks is left? In what? It's the next week.

It's over, right? Yeah. Trade down on the next birthday. If I'm trying to, if I'm trying to change my franchise for the better in a few years, I can't make a decision as fast. I don't think that they just now thinking this. Exactly. You crazy.

Exactly. They've been taking calls. They've been taking calls. They've just been listening and hanging up. Now they're going to be like, you know what? Let's call that team back from five weeks ago. That's why nobody else is making no moves. Everybody's waiting for the move.

Even like somebody like Golden State, right? And you sitting there thinking like, all right, I'm going to lose what? Jimmy probably, Kaminga. I mean, Jimmy Kaminga and a pick. A pick? Right? Like, you know, it ain't going to help me this year to help me next year.

I got to, you know, now where I got to figure out the pieces to be smart in free agency. Right. Now, what does this free agency look like this summer? Right? All that makes a play. What is this free agency? Who can I go after to make a play for him?

I got to think about who is free this year that makes sense. Or is it the following year? Teams has been doing this. Is it 2027? That's the big free agent? It's not this summer. Next summer.

It's next summer. So I got to make it. sure my free agent, I got a lot of money for 2027. Because that's when everybody's up. Yo, is Yolkis up to? Yes. Yolk has the potential to be up. How did the Milwaukee Bugs let's land Dame Liller?

Was he a free agent? No. They traded for him. And it wasn't no weight to the off season either. They traded for him, right? Was that trade available throughout the league? They traded for him in the office. No, I'm saying.

But it didn't just start in the off season. They had been talking about it. Right. The whole point is teams have been. No. No. Remember he was going to Miami? No, that's what I'm getting to.

Yonis came in a snow at. That's what I'm getting to. When the trade opened up. He had been trying to get traded, though. No, he'd been trying to get traded. That was the talk. It was the talk. Yes.

And he was even away from the team type shit. Like, we're looking to shop Dane. Yep. The teams opened up in the league to take these calls. Why was the Milwaukee Bucks the one team that took the call? Did it make more sense from Milwaukee to actually have Dane? It didn't. Wait, at that time?

At that time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Of course. I mean, you're not going to pass. After coming off one in the chip?

After, no, we lost that. We lost the next. So they won it. Then they, I think, wait, no, it was it. Two years after that, yeah. But you had the opportunity to get Dame Lillard. You took it. Right.

You took it. Yeah. Top 75 player. A top 75 player. What was available in the summer? That was that trade. That specific trade, when Dame, Dame is available for us to make a move. Right. Who did they trade for that?

Who did they give up for Dane? Drew Holiday and I forgot what. It was a three people trade, right? They gave up whatever they need to give up. Drew went to Boston. It was a multi-team. It was a multi-team deal. No, Drew went to Portland.

He's in Portland now. No, Drew was in Portland, got way, he got bought out. He got something to happen in Portland how he ended up in Boston. Something to happen with. Drew, Drew got traded. Was it a straight-up? It could have been no straight-up because it's not. It was a three-team deal.

Three-team trade. So Blazers, Bucks, and Sons. Portland got Drew Holiday, John, here, Aden, and Tumani-Kamara. Milwaukee's 20-29, unprotected first-round draft pick, and unprotected Milwaukee swap rights in 2028 and 2030. Sons got Nirkich, Grayson Allen, Nassir Little, Kian Johnson. They got rid of Grison Allen and she got rid of the champion.

But I said he went there and then he got bought out and then went to Port and that's how he got the Portland. So you see all the shit they moved around for game. Off season. Three team trade moving around for Dan and give them away. Y'all got to make a fucking move. I don't give a fuck about none of the scrambling, waiting on the offseason.

Y'all have already made these type of moves before. In the summer, I get to talk to my team. I get to talk to the different teams I have allies with. Like he said, we've been having these conversations. People have been waiting for Yonis for two. They've been waiting to hear. They've been waiting to hear. He's ready to go.

He's ready to go. They've been waiting for years, bro. If I'm Detroit, listen, the only team that if I can do it, I'm doing it, Detroit Pistons. If I'm Detroit Pistons, I'm going to say this. I have Kade. Then I got this team. Right? No facts, fact.

Anybody else? Kade has this team here? If I can get Janus, as long as I have Cade, take what you want. Now I got Cade and Janus two years from now, I'm keeping towards. I think I'm competing for a championship. I'm keeping twin. So Thompson? I'm keeping twin.

You got to get rid of Twinn. You got to get rid of Stewart and you got to get rid of Darden. I take that trade. All right. I take that trade. And throwing Duncan Robbins. They got to keep one of them. They got to keep one of them.

I keep the twin as an asset. What I'm saying? I keep Hollins and stuff. I didn't remember. What's the name comes off the books? Who? Tobias Harris. Oh, that's who you throw in here.

No, I don't need to. You don't need to? You take these young pieces you want to. And then we get him off the books. That all the books that I can sign another person in the store. Yeah, yeah. That can fill in the spot. Yeah.

Because you said two years, it don't think two years. You know what I'm saying is I'm giving my move. That's right away. Yeah, that's right. I'm doing myself two years, just the case I missed. But as long as I got them to in some of these pieces, and then Tobias come out, then I can sign some more. Like, that's the only thing,

because I'm not losing a star for a star. Right, right. I'm losing the potential. You're losing what they asking for. Not even potential. They're asking for the young guy. They're asking for the young shit. Right, that's not even potential.

That's not like Spurs where I'm sitting here like, oh, Thompson is good. When Thompson is potential for sure. Yeah. He's future. Yeah. He's future. That's what I said.

I mean, that one would hurt. The only reason he looked the way he look is because he's playing on Detroit right now. That would hurt, but I got Yonisch. I would lose it for Yonnie. We can get him. Daly. Like, I was losing for Yonish.

Because listen. We wanted to have all that money because Tobias is gone. So we can get, we can get two of them. Yeah, Dern not making enough bread though. But what I'm saying is like. What is the word making? 15. Yeah.

So you'd have to conclude Tobias. You have to compare to that. Yeah. For that bread. I think four to five draft picks. It's expired anyway. Listen, I would, yeah. I'm blowing my tears.

I don't know what it is. But that's the only thing that makes sense. That could go right away when they do it. You don't lose, you don't lose nothing in a sense to be great. Like you're, like I can lose these flash pieces, have a decent year. And then boom, we're contenders because now I got two megastars. Holland is. I got, I got two megastars now.

I, you know. Ivy over there. Yeah, I get to keep those. I get to keep a little. things like that. Saster. Sasser's still over there. Yeah. They got some pieces. If I'm Spurs? Probably the one team. Spurs makes me think. I got

all, I got too much now. I got too much. I got like, oh. You don't want to stunt Wimby. Yeah, I would do it for me. They got Wimby believing he the best player in the world. And Janus is like the best player in the world, too. So you don't want to mess that. You don't want to mess that up. No, I'm not going to mess it up. I'm just be real. Yeah. You're a point guard dog. You're the shit they build on 2K, right? You're 7 foot point guard, 99 pass.

You want to dribble and bop. Cool. I got a motherfucker who's about to hit this rim. Facts. You're going to do you. You're going to turn it to what you're, but what I know, what I know you're not right now

is I give you that ball and you're going to get a bucket down low. Not him. You want to be the point guard. You're not 30 points in the game on 65% shooting. You're a 7.4 point guard right now. Right. Right.

So I want to get some guy, have you to, whatever that's been in. That's nightmare. Yes. If you're going to do it that way, play on the perimeter. Yes. It's play point.

Me and you pick and rolling. It's a black party at the room. That's a nasty black block party at the room. I like the Detroit one. The Detroit one I'm in love with. Those are the only two teams that's having great success and nobody's really developed where they get to sit back and say, all right, look,

do you like Harper or Castle? Like, we got to pick one. Yeah, they have potential. Yeah, I got to sit here and play the game. Star potential. So I get to play that game them and then give them something where they were like, you know what, we can do, we can do,

how about Castle and Rassel? What about the three team trade with the three? With all three? Detroit, Milwaukee, and the Spurs, moving all three of them pieces around. Hey, I can tell you who can make a deal to Houston. I was born to say Houston. I was about to say them in a while

when we was talking in the beginning. Houston needs a point guard, man. They can move a lot of pieces down. I have so many 611 6-11-10. Long-ass, Nicky! You know what I mean? I got so many. So if I'm, if I'm Houston, I would sit back and wait and say,

all right, hey, look, I got, I got this, this is, I can put combos of 611 for you to make a deal. And I got a guard, I got Shepard you. If I want them, do you like them? Hey. Hey. Hey. I got so many pieces here.

Keep Fred. Keep Fred. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Craig can go. All right. Let's just saying. And Fred, KD?

I get rid of Shangoon. I get rid of Shangoon. You can keep Sangoon, Katie, and what's the name? No, you kick them too. If they need them, if they need them, they can have them. What about Jabari and the Thompson? I can get rid of Jibari. I can get rid of it.

Yeah. Jabari, Easton, and Sangoon, yeah. So we got to. Only person I'm like, I don't want, I'm not getting off of me. Hey, man. Who? Who's going to shoot on that team? Hey, man.

You need somebody other than Katie. You can't. Hey, man, man, man. You asked too many questions. Oh, faster. Yeah, yeah. We're going to be out. We're going to figure it out.

I'm not going to worry about that. You know what? At this moment of time, the way college is going basketball, I get a 28-year-old. A 28-year-old that's going to come into the drive. That can shoot a jump shot. At that point. Let's keep this thing moving. Today's podcast is sponsored by Roe.

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with Rose joined by family friends, some of his former Bulls teammates and his former head coach, Tom Tibido. Rose is the fifth player in Bulls franchise history to have their jersey retired, joining Jerry Sloan, Bob Love, Michael Jordan, and Scotty Pippin. D. Rose selected the number one overall pick

by the Bulls in 2008, spent his first eight seasons in the league in Chicago where he was Rick of the Year three-time All-Star in the youngest MVP in NBA history when he won the award in 2011. In his career with the Bulls, D. Rose averaged 20 points, six assists, four rebounds while leading the team to the playoffs

in six of the seven seasons he played, including the conference finals in his MVP season. So Gil, start with you. Thank you. Can we get some smoke for Derek Rose, please? Show your love. Chicago legend. What does Derek Rose mean to the Bulls in city of Chicago?

Listen, I don't live in Chicago. Let me just be honest. I don't live there, so I wouldn't really know, no. But from, you know, Chicago Bull fans, Derek Rose is Chicago. He is the son of Chicago. When you're talking about, like, grew up there, from there. Right?

They watched him be a superstar middle school, high school, and in the NBA, right? Those fans had someone that really put Chicago on the map from the city. Right. It's not like somebody who grew up somewhere else and came in here, perform. He performed for us. He was here with us. So, like, he means, like when someone said he's, he means more to Chicago than Jordan. I can understand.

If you take out MJ the name and they won six championships and you're talking about somebody who grew up in Chicago, you're a Chicago win. Derek Rose will mean more because you identify with him. So all the Southside identifies with him. He is their son. He grew up right. We see him.

He's not some NBA superstar that's coming in. And, you know, we come to the games and watch him. We watched him grow up running down the street. Like that's, he's in his neighborhood. He grew up in South Side. So to your point, during a recent episode of his show, Draymond Green had this to say about what Derek Rose means to Chicago. There's not one bigger person than the city of Chicago to Derek Rose.

Make no mistake about it. You heard what I said. There is not one bigger person that means more to the city of Chicago than Derek Rose. With all due respect to MJ, I love MJ. We all want it to be like Mike. Doesn't mean more to the city of Chicago to Derek Rose. Derek Rose stops everything. Derek Rose stops crime.

Derek Rose can walk around Chicago. No problem. But man, youngest MVP in league history right into Chicago Bulls jersey. When Chicago Bulls were struggling for years after Mike, Derek Rose came and saved the franchise. Okay, I didn't mean like that.

Like how he's sounding, not like that. He just went overboard. Like, yeah, that little boy's glaze. Like, like, Gray's can walk down Chicago. M.J. can't walk down Chicago. Jim J.K. can't walk down Chicago. nowhere in Chicago. You can't walk down here.

Statue, whole statue. You know the music that comes on? Do-to-to-do-doo-doo-doo. You know that? Six-six from, not from Chicago. From North Carolina. What the fuck are we talking about? I get it.

I ain't gonna get it too. Because I ain't from Chicago. But I heard Chicago niggas talk about Michael Jordan. Man, bro. I mean, that's all I hear about. I think two separate conversations, though, like, there is an emotional attachment to like the south side of Chicago where he's from.

Other parts of Chicago, it might be a little different. Like, well, it is different. But like for the hood in Chicago, Derrick Rose is like everything he was saying he is. Like to the hood, to where the streets where he came from. But you got to remember Chicago was more than just the south side. When Jordan, when you're talking about Jordan, you're talking about a whole economy. A whole economy. You talk about the state.

Come on Illinois. And it's not that Derry Rose ain't box office and all that because he's, He is, but I think it's just two separate things. I think Jordan is Jordan. And Derek Rose is Derek Rose. And when you talk about being from the hood coming from the concrete, from the struggle, emotionally is a different tie if you're from where he's from, versus Jordan. But being no mistake, ain't nobody bigger than Jordan in Chicago.

Has any player, okay, outside of Derek Rose, has any player homegrown played in that same city and been great in that city? The closest is Bron. But he wasn't actually from Cleveland. It's from accurate. Brian was right from down the street. I was from right down the street. Isaiah Thomas. No, Detroit in Chicago.

I'm just saying that if you're going to say Brian, like Isaiah's from Chicago, he's from Chicago. But, no, I mean, but Akron is close to Cleveland. He lived half the way. He lived in, he lived in, he lived in Akron and go to Cleveland every day. Yeah.

But that was that was it? Like Long Beach, basically. You know, that close? Yeah. How far is Akron to Cleveland? He had a house. His house was in. County in between Akron and Cleveland he never lived in really in Cleveland. That's how close

it is. He was not rocking with Cleveland like that. No, my name is in Cleveland. No, no money. No, D. Wade didn't play for it. Like, if D. Wade had his NBA career in Chicago, that would have been. Yeah, that would have been. You have to mean so much to the city of Chicago if they retired your jersey. right you're talking about the fifth right not the fifth best in the franchise so this has nothing to do with his basketball stats right we're talking about the human himself person yeah right so the human what he meant what he means to the city overweighed the basketball element of it about so when you look at when you look up there yeah you're not looking at stats you're looking at the city this is the

city. Like when we, when you look at that, they're going to say, I know Derek Rose is from here. Right, right. The rest is visitors. He's homegrown. Right. That hits different. In Chicago, the Bulls. To say what he means to Chicago versus

what he means to the Bulls, that's also different. I think MJD. Rose are only players to win MVP of Chicago Bulls, if I'm not mistaken. So you can put them on that level from what he would did in the moment. Does this love affair happen if he doesn't win the MVP? I don't know.

I'd be honest. For the hood, yes. But for the Chicago Bulls, no. It puts him in contention of potential. Like what we could have done had he not ever gotten hurt. Yeah. Now, they love that man, period. He didn't even have to win that MVP.

Like, they, just that season, he don't win the MVP. The city of Chicago where he's from feels that way. Yeah. The Bulls, if he didn't have an MVP. He got to win that MVP. If you don't do that. They ain't put him up there. For the Chicago Bulls, the city, for sure.

But for the Bulls, he ain't going up there unless he won that the youngest MVP. We talk about what the MVP meant. Like, youngest ever, Hall of Fame automatically, like, that's a thing, right? So if we take, I'm not going to take that away. I don't want to take it. You know what I'm saying?

If you don't win that, like, the love affair is different. No, I can give you a real reality, though. Nobody really pay attention to this. The owners are human, right? Most owners are. Right. Most humans are.

Caggo's owners are tough, too. They shrew a little bit. And this is why sometimes numbers don't mean everything. Relationships do. As the owner of the team, right? My relationship with Derek Rose is why I'm putting him there. Who was this man to me personally? Right?

That's what people don't put into. any equation. We don't know what Derek Rose. We don't know, hey, how you doing? Like, we don't know what the relationship. The relationship had to be so good, though, the fact that he's in, he's there. Right?

I mean, that's, and we never put that in perspective. Like, you know what I mean? Like, if I own a team and this is my guy and he's doing everything for the city, he's out there being me an extension of me, and it's time to pay him or put him there, like I can only go off of, I'm not looking at the stats don't matter.

Yeah, but you have to, Youngest MVP in NBA history still did this. He didn't happen. But what I'm saying? But at that point, don't you cement yourself? But what I'm saying? I'd be a bull of going. Like, no matter what happens after this.

I put whoever the fuck I want in my building. That's what you're not realizing. I put whoever, I can put whoever in my building. So if I have a relationship, we didn't win nothing, but he was a good-ass human being. And that's what I fuck with. Then he's going to go up there. That's a symbol of what I am.

Or not even a super. to win a ring. Not even a superstar except if you look at Udana's has him what he meant to the Miami he ran undrafted. He's up there.

Play 20 years with that he's up there. He's up there. He means to the city in Miami. You can sit there and look at all the stats, that's all he won.

None of that means. We got two of them because he took a pay cut. What he did for them? I don't know. You do the, he'd all the time rebounder and the,

I don't know he'll go up there if he won't a all-time lean rebounder. You got to have something on the court. You got to have something You know what I got? Because Kirk Howard, Kirk Howard would definitely be up there if it was up there.

You know what I got up there from you did? Who? Kirk Howard. I got two rings. Them two rings I got is because I took a pick up for LeBron James and Basha get here. That's what I got. But I said, that's what I had. That's what I did. He did do that.

Michael Jordan didn't do shit. He up there, too. No, no. Well, you said he wasn't. Michael Jordan didn't do shit for Miami but beat their ass a lot of times. He up there. He's up there. He's a woman they ass.

Put his ass up here. A whooping I ass That's a different A different kind of respect. That's a different kind of respect. God damn. Every day I saw it like just He's just shining that mother

man. The reason I say people don't think about the human aspect of it is because when I was a free agent my knee already had knee problems, right? The general manager offered me 80,

six million five years or six years 86 million right lowballed out the gate um I said well that's that's good um Golden State already offered me to max so y'all think about that I'm about to go overseas do my my tour and then when y'all when y'all get your minds right holl at me so basically I held them hostage for 10 days because they couldn't spend their money because I was out of the country right a couple hours later A. Polden called me and said, I don't know what they were talking about. The max is yours. I don't care what they said about your knee.

That has no bearing on me. Me and you had a relationship. I told you, you get me out of this Jordan situation, I'm taking care of you. Whatever your contracts is, it's yours. Fool. You don't have to negotiate with anybody. Whatever you want, if you want to save some for your teammates, if you don't, That's up to you.

The max, whatever that number is, 111, 127, whatever it is, it's yours. Enjoy your vacation. Don't worry about none of these people here. I can fire. That was his conversation. He said, what you mean to me is more important than a number. That's what Mickey did for D. Wade.

You know what I mean? And that's why. He made sure he came back to me. And that's how that looks. So I know there's a human element to, you know, everybody's not paperbook, right? There's people out here that sitting there like, yo, I'm my fucking dude. I'm citing to another country.

That's rare, though, again. That's rare. Mark humans like that with his players? Yeah. Right? That's super rare. But you got to be, but you put up 27 a game. He wouldn't do that if he was out there putting up 15 a game.

Be clear. Be clear, it was. No, no, argue. He liked you, but he liked the fact that you was 80s, 70, selling out a jersey, he liked all of that. But you know what he said, but Ardeal, because no free. was going there. So he said, if you come here and, you know, they, the, uh, you can have them stop talking about Michael Jordan and me not signing them. I'm indebted to you.

Yeah. Give me. Like that. All right. I think. Make the playoffs. He's good. Hey, they ain't talking about Michael Jordan and what I did. I'm good.

You for sure did. You for sure did. Hey, I ain't going on. Because they love D. Rose so much in Chicago, do you think they should give him a statue? I'll think about it. Yeah. I don't know. It is.

I think about it. I think about it. The statue is not even about the bulls. If you do a statue, it's not about the bulls. It's about the city of Chicago. Yeah, I know. For Chicago, not for the Bulls. I think for the city of Chicago, he should have a-

Similar, similar to D-Ways, similar to AI in Philly. Can it be bigger than AI? I do a fair. It can be a rose, you know, little rose. No, I think him jump, but I just, no, I just think because he's from Chicago, and like they said he's Chicago, so it's like, I'll take it to the fans. Huh?

I'll take it to the fans. Fans. Ask the fans? If I'm the owner, I'll ask the fans. If I'm the fans, I would want a D.Rowe statue. Yeah, that's what I said. I mean, he, the Bulls were nothing to take it nothing. He's like the disconnect from like, because you got to think, when people think the Bulls, they automatically now because of D. Rose, they think South Side and all that, but the Bulls are

like the elite, not even really in Chicago type. He bridged that gap to where you got people that's from the hood that actually like and mess with the other side of Chicago, the suburb side. So I think that's the value D. Rose brings, which, like, Mike was both. The hood love Mike, you know, the other side love Mike. Everybody love Mike. D. Rose brought that edginess from the hood to mainstream to where it's respected. And so I think that's why he brings so much and didn't say a word why he did it.

So I think he means more to the city of Chicago versus the Bulls. It's a separation to me between Bulls and the City of Chicago. And that's why I think he should get a statue, not for what he did necessarily for the Bulls, but for everything. just for every young kid coming up, like from Chicago. It's like, he came from here.

And it would be a positive look for the city of Chicago. Hell, hell yeah. Especially from how the outside look at Chicago. Hell yeah. Especially the Southside. You let me play for the Lakers. Like that's outside is like,

is he the most positive thing? Huh? He's the most positive. Like, you know. Yeah, he the most positive thing that actually came out of Chicago? The most positive athlete, period. I mean, it's hard to say period.

I mean, you got Barack Obama came out of there. I mean, you got presidents. Of Barack again? Yeah, Chicago, yeah. Chicago, Michelle from Chicago. It's other people. They have, I mean, Chicago's a big city. It's other people that do good stuff out of Chicago.

I'm thinking, I'm just thinking, like, you say Oprah. Oprah. Yeah, I'm thinking, no, I'm thinking like the rappers and all that stuff. Oh, okay. I'm about I say it's a successful people coming out of Chicago. You got a little twisting. But for basketball, though, he probably is the most. He's a legend, though.

I mean, I know there's some comedians, but I mean, like, six niggas over there. They're all. They go all. They're still. They're probably the best athlete, though, to come out. The biggest athlete, though, to come out. The cleanest, too. Yeah.

D-ray Davis? Yeah. You got to throw D-ray in there. Without a arm out. Legend. Isaiah from there, he's from the west side, though. Come on. Come on, y'all.

Yeah. Be clear on that. But when I say this, that's never, the guy never been in trouble. There's a difference. Never had a difference. No, Kanye wasn't in trouble. He's never in trouble, but it's Kanye. He wasn't in trouble.

You know what I said, but it's Kanye. Oh, no. First of all, Kanye never been in trouble. There's yay. Yeah. Easy. There's a bunch of other niggas. You don't even know who this recent nigga is.

We don't know. That's not a whole other one. Backpacked Kanye. Yeah. We all look at. We're the bear and shit. You know what? He's the type of person to say that way.

Me, Kanye, it's never been in trouble. Yeah. That nigga, fuck him. He said some wild shit. There's been some discourse around this. You had Reggie Miller who said, I think D.Rose and LeBron were battling for the top spot in the league for six eight years. We talked about this one of the show.

Yeah, this is Reggie Miller. Reginald Miller. How many years? It's six to eight. I don't know. What? The math is a little off. He was off.

He was tripped off. He was a little older. He was a little older. I didn't hear what he said. Yeah, listen to what he said. But he said basically what D.R. And LeBron were battling for the top player in the league for. like a six to eight year period.

That's not either here nor there. That's not the point of this conversation. Shout out of Reggie Miller. Well, I was in the league then, so I would know. It was two, three. California legend. We've talked about us before, but looking back on DeRose's career, look at the Hall of Fame, right?

The Hall of Fame is your entire body of working basketball, not just what you did as a professional. DeRose, McDonald's All-American, Illinois, Mr. Basketball, college All-American, three-time All-Star, MVP, Youngest MVP, and InBehap History, still. Every other former retired MVP has made the Hall of Fame. Does Derek Rose deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

Yes. I think I said it on the couch. Youngest MVP ever? You said every other MVP in the history. Every other retired MVP in the NBA history has made the Hall of Fame. That's tough. That's eligible. Because injuries hold you back sometimes.

There's a lot of other great players that's been injured that held him out the hall that would have been in the hall. But the hall also considers injuries in the hall. Darren Williams? Carlos Boozer. Yeah, for the Olympic team. Yeah, for the Hall of the Olympics. Yeah, for the Olympics. Not at the divisions though.

Just that one team. Okay. Tony Parker, Mono Genobli. Yeah. But Paul Gasol. It's all Hall of Famers. Wait, Tony Parker should be a Hall of Famer. Yeah.

I'm saying that he's not. Oh, okay. And compare him to D. Rose. The Rose is a Hall of Famer. And I'm not saying numbers. I'm saying just the player. De Roe's better than Tony Parker? Hall of Fame talent and Hall of Fame accomplishment is two different things.

Were you talking about the full body of work? What he just listed down? He has body of work. It's supposed to be better for your full body of basketball work, not just your pro career. So McDonald's All-American, Mr. Basketball, College All-American, three-time All-M. Rookie of the Year. Rookie of the Year. Like, he has check.

He has checks. He checks boxes that are a number. Enough for it. What boxes did Tracy McGraedy? I mean, I think him just getting this jersey guitar from this. I think there's been a state. People win in the Hall of Fame. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm slow to put guys in Hall of Fame. Tracy has scoring titles in all NBA's. Yeah. So he didn't go to college? I'm not saying whether he shouldn't be in it or not. I'm just saying for me, when I think about it, he's Hall of Fame talent for sure.

I mean, he injuries played a part and we didn't get to see, you know, the full. on the floor but I think him I just think him I'm going to make him every time I'm a star so but that's the problem you're you're

rewarding him for that accomplishment but not understanding most most MVP's right by the time they get the MVP think about what they've accomplished

usually this is a war you get a little bit later so you don't got five six all NBA you got a score so you've got you got We got the body of work. What happened with Derek Rose?

He set the trend for the new criteria of having it earlier than what's expected, what you just said. Later down the line is what you're expecting a guy to do is win the MVP later. He got it first and then got injured so he didn't get to do the full body of work of what you're talking about. But the one thing he did check off the list. Okay. So I'm not discredit.

So usually when someone wins the MVP, right, that MVP actually actually actually seals their career because they have six all-N-BAs, six all-stars or seven, they got to score entire whatever, right? That MVP usually that can seal that career for that Hall of Fame. Derek got the MVP so early. I can't seal it because he don't have anything with it, right? He's a one-time all-N-BA player. Three-time All-Star.

Well, the All-Star. Well, the All-Star, the second All-Star came after the MVP, right? So he got voted in. Rook-Kee year? Yeah, but now that's, I don't have any more, I don't have anything left. All right, so I only got 12,000, I only got 12,000 points I don't really have. Do you factor in the injury, though, in making that assessment? But I'm saying is then I have to factor.

I mean, for everybody, I don't have the body of work with him. Kevin Durant, when he won the MVP was where in his career? Four scoring titles? Four scoring titles. He got scored time. Those scores. And All-Star. He got multiple all-stars.

He got all-N-B-A's. He got-Yos. He's the youngest to score this many points. He was All-American. He was All-American in Texas one year. Yeah. Yeah. McDonald's All-American.

I think Player of the Year. McDonald's All-American. Like, to me, it's the longevity. I get it. But once you get that accomplishment that trumps all other accomplishments within this criteria, we're not having this conversation of whether I'm worthy or not.

I was the best player in the league. I agree because MVP is the highest award you can get. So if I get an MVP, I mean, damn. Kevin Durant won his MVP. How much am I killing? He has five all-N-BAs. Yeah. He was six years?

Five years. He has five years. First team all-N-BAs in a row. Five all-sars. Right? He has, was it one, two, three, four scoring titles. He has a total of about. four, six, eight, about 11, 12,000 points.

So where he was when he won MVP, he has more points than Derek Rose career. That's just that moment in time. So think about the body of work. If he didn't play no more, he didn't play no more, he would have been sealed as a Hall of Famer. But what year, what year did, what year?

Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. Eric Rose went. His third year. In his third year, in his third. You're a year compared to his six year. Third year, but I'm injured. I don't have any more stats.

I don't have nothing. I get that. But you're saying if KD. Stop at his six year in the NBA, he has five, this, five. Yes, four scoring titles. Eric Rose, after three seasons, I'm the MVP of the league. And I'm an all-star rookie of the year. I have enough.

That's enough to make the Hall of Fame. I'm the MVP of the league. One of the league. One of you got voted in. Probably for so much of the year's first season made three straight all-stars after that and the MVP. And then one all-N-B-A.

So say it again? So Ricky of the year, second season he made his first all-star game, made three consecutive all-star games. Third season was the youngest MVP in NBA history. He made the all-star game that next year. He got hurt and then got pulled in. So he had two all-star appearances

and one all-N-BA before the MVP? So, yeah, he made a second all-star game the year he won the MVP and then he made the All-Star game the following. He was all-N-BA? The year he won the year. Yeah. And then he got hurt. And then he got voted an All-Star.

I value the Hall of Fame like super sacred, like make it super difficult. It's like, I understand that. It's not like the NFL, it's not MLB. The Hall of Fame is supposed to be like Crim Della, Cremma of the Cremdala. That's not with the Basketball Hall of Fame. To me, that's how I look at all the name. Regardless.

Because it's a lot of cats that put in work. As a player? A player? He's the Hall of Fame talent. I'm going to say that. Hall of Fame talent, there ain't no question. There ain't no question that. Regardless, he's one of five thousand.

He's a white coat hall of famer. You know what I'm saying? We're going to give him the white coat badge. God damn it. I'm with the D.R. I respect. If y'all want to give him the orange jacket, I'll give him the white. And I would continue to say a lot of people don't realize it's not the NBA

Hall of Fame. It's the basketball. Your pro career obviously factors in and it plays a large part. What you did prior to that? Yeah, that's why he's going to me. You know what? He's going to a lot of him. to me because it's the basketball is everything so everything with it is his

contribution for sure it's why he's gonna get in he definitely I mean the youngest is definitely contributed to the game 1% he has like 12% percent 10% chance you tell me there's a chance because we asked the chat does Derek Rose deserve to be in the Hall of Fame 79% of the chat says yes so he's a Gill's arena almost 78 plus one so he's a Gil's arena presented by underdog whoop whoop he's definitely Hall of Fame member like the players are put a man just like but I mean he won the best players I played players players are sure point I value our chat's opinion more than the voters is rank and file

human being yeah they own correct I value you chat just so you know you are appreciated we value we value there's a lot of people in the chat at work right now guilt getting in trouble watching this show every single day bosses heading bosses are not guild's arena fans for some reason like thinking about like who like they think about belich they got eight rings and get in but deflate gay you know yeah he got getting in because he cheated Hey, Barry Bonds can't get in, you can't get in, nigga, we're not having this conversation. We're not having this conversation.

Barry Bonds not in there. He was just, uh, revolutionary and his apartment. That's a tragedy that Barry Bonds is not in there. Yep. So let me ask you on that. You got caught, nigga. You got to get caught. You got to be right.

Hey, they just said he did some shit. Now, let me tell you, now both are you. They saw how big is. They're just saying. Barry should be in. So why is it? I'm Brady. You on, you on the motherfucker fucking top of block two.

Belichick ain't making it, right? First ballot? We'll make it eventually. But he won't make it first about it. Well, there are some haters in the mix that behind the scenes we're telling the Hall of Fame voters and not roll out because of some previous issues

during his career. Okay, so are they going to use that against Tom Brady? No. You see? You see how silly this shit is? They're not going to use the same shit against the player who's doing it, but they're going to use it against the coach.

That's why he was a mastermind behind. I was the one okay and they're throwing it. It made me feel good. All right, cool. This is what we're doing? All right, cool, cool. You gave me the gun, because I'm going to throw it.

Like, come on. Yeah, I won the same way he won the same way he won. We want the plug. We want the nigga that's behind this shit. Look, we don't want to, Tom. We don't want the big, we want the big man. We want the big man. Come on, Tom.

Hey, we need you to wear this wire. Come on, Donnie. Donnie Brasco. Go on, go and get in there and get that info for us. You bought the beer at 12 thursday. You know you don't fuck up, right? I'm talking. Like the fact that somebody, like, whoever you are behind the scene.

Yeah, that's messed up, man. And you had to go. I think Bill Polly and a long-time Colts exec, but I think Bill Polly was reportedly the person that was out there. Hating on Belichick. So he's, he hates the man that much. Yes, some beefs are eternal. Some niggins stand on business in life. That's when you're out there cheating, man.

Don't cheat me. Forget that shit. And you know what? Bill, don't even worry about it. I can tell you this. No one cares about the first ballot, second ballot, third ballot. The jacket is a jacket, the jacket is a jacket. Okay?

I don't think different, like, your first ballot gets gold. The second ballot gets red. I don't think they do that, right? Nope. Gold is gold, right? I'm good, fuck. We can put me in. They just put me in there.

How about that? If you're Bill Belichick seven Super Bowls, you have a certain level of stature, like, come on, man. But I'm sad. But I'm sad. But I'm sad. So what I'm just, so. So what? I cheated a little.

Guess what? Y'all got camp quarters, too. It's a big ass arena. But the stature is, the stature is not my stats. The stature because he don't like me. Seven Super Bowl. No, it ain't because he don't like you, and he don't like what you did.

Man, there's other dudes. He don't like what you did. There's other dudes in the hall of men. That's right. That's way worse. I'm just innovating. Y'all just mad. Way worse.

You're claiming to be the best of the best, and I don't like what you did to be the best. Is that as, oh. I don't like what you did to be, just like Barry. They think Barry did. this to be the best, but they are overlooking Barry has been the best

before niggas is doing idiotic. Barry Bond is the best baseball player ever. He's the best ever. So they're going to use that against him based on criteria. If he don't do this shit, he's going to be first ballot, bro. Like, you didn't need to do it.

Sending a message to the policy of the situation but feel about it. I don't care. I don't care. All right. He said, who, send in the message. It's message. Like, how does that work? Like, dude, like, you're talking behind the scene. What do you

think everybody else says? about you now moving forward. You think you're going to get a raise moving forward like that? Nah, dog. You're going to get blackballed at the end of the day. Pulley is an old, he's not worried. He's not. He's old.

He didn't own his chair. I'm going to. I'm going to go to him. All right. All right. Let's go to Boston. All right. Go to Boston.

No reason. Yeah, but Paul was eight three years old. He's 83, yeah. All his work come to Indianapolis. I got a few good years left. I got a few good years left. I'm about the dude. He got the same messages on the same place,

we ain't tripping. Hey, Rob, you better leave me alone, nigga. He's about to hit that up the room. And the up the room. Up a room. High. Quality cinema, ladies, gentlemen. Let's keep this thing moving.

Head back to the West Coast, the best coast. So after the Lakers lost to the Clippers last Thursday, JJ Redding had this message for his primary ball handler, Luca Donchie. There's got to be a trust factor with. with all our guys just to trust the pass. And that starts with Luca. He's going to have the ball the most of everyone.

He's got to trust the pass. And if he gets two on him, you know, and he's playing in a crowd, he's got to pass the ball. And I think as much as we can talk about being connected on defense, you've got to be connected on offense. Trust the pass to his primary ball hands. Reddick also implored Luke and LeBron to share the ball more during a recent team meeting.

Luca appeared to receive the message in the Lakers. Two games since Reddick's comments. And the purple-gold win over the Mavs. Doncha ditched out 11 assists to go along with his 30 points to help the squad overcome a 15.4th quarter deficit. Luca followed that up with another dominant performance against the Bulls in Chicago, Monday night, just days after Derek Rose's Jersey retirement ceremony,

making some Lakers history in the process. Let's take a look at those highlights. If we can, please, Luca, finished with 46 points, 11 assists, and seven rebounds. He was 15 to 25 from the field, eight of 14 from deep. It was Slovenia and Jesus League leading eighth 40-point game this season, and third game with at least 40 and 10 assists this season as well. He joins Kobe as the only Lakers with 45 plus points, 10 plus assist in five plus main threes in a game in franchise history. Luca also became the fastest Laker to reach 2,000 points accomplishing the feat in just 65 games, surpassing George Mikeins' previous record of 72. game, shout out George Mika and Drill. The Mika Drill, because the nigger could not make a lay-ups. That's why it's called the Micah Drillian. He got a statue.

He got a statue. He scored 20 of his 24 points in the first half. Rui Hachamore had 23 points off the bench on 9 of 11 shooting, hitting four of his five three-pointed attempt in the 29 minutes of action. So Lakers shot 56% percent from the field, also were 16 of 33 from three-point range. Yeah, look we passed the bubble. He's also shooting that bitch as well. I'm still going to get my 46 piece, JJ.

But Lakers' offense looking a lot more fluid. Lakers, four and one in their last five games, three and one on this current eight game road trip. Thanks in large part, the plays like that. Also got to give some love to Jackson Hayes right here, pulling out the East Bay. Thought he was going to get hung during the game when he pulled it out, but actually knocked it down.

Luke also said he was East Baying at 13 years old. There was video evidence to support that. But let's shift over to you, Gil our resident Lakers fan, a five-time champion as a Lakers fan. Our Luke and LeBron looking more comfortable sharing the four together. You're five-time, Lakeys. For some reason, you don't want the bubble ring.

I don't even count the bubble. You don't want the bubble ring. I don't even count them. I should be six. You couldn't wait for that. You have a season tournament championship after disposal two if you want it. No, no. That is your fandom.

I am a six-time champ. What are you talking about? I was just thinking about the cut. I'm thinking, no, I'm six. I'm counting the bubble. I'm with the MJ. Now I need to go back to having made. Six-time champion.

I did get okay to have it made, right? So I would have been part of, you know, clutch LeBron James. He asked me. The black suburban. What is your question? The question. You irritated me. me first when you told like like your first of all what jay is saying that's

fucking hell serious yeah i don't care about your irritation no no i'm just saying i'll already talking about he need to pass the ball and lucas just ask who who you want to pass the ball to who exactly your team i'm averaging 8.8 assists with this four people for the most part on the team don't know how to shoot won't shoot can't shoot shouldn't be able to shoot And I still somehow pull out 8.8 assist. I'm doing my best, coach. There's sometimes I got one guy who he hit a three, then hit the side of the backboard.

Now, I got a 50-50 on a make or backboard. That's one for two, right? That's Boston. He came from Boston. Marcus Martin. Then I got a fan, though. He might do anything with the boss. I don't know.

He don't do it with the boss. I don't know if he's going to do it. I don't even know a friend don't know if he's left-handed or the right-handed at this point. It's just at this point, dude, just. Pump-faking. Give it back. Right then we got, we got it. We don't know what's going on with him during the basketball game.

Did the braids? Then I got a 41. Then I got a 41. Right. I don't, I like, you're asking me to pass the ball. Sherrod, trust the pass. Trust it no matter what, Gil. Trust your team.

I think one person said it the best. And he says, I don't trust their work ethic. Meaning, Luca watches them in practice working on 80s. You talk about it. Yeah, yeah. So if I'm not passing the ball to these people, there is a reason. You have 8.8 assists out of me. Shut up!

If you're getting 8.5 assists, that means you're passing way. You're passing way too much probably. You want me to give up this little city to pass it. That game is out 27-thous though inefficiently for that game. So y'all got to really, let's talk who for a second. Yeah. Paul Whirl Hooke. Thank you.

Let's think about this. The eight assists aren't I'm looking for my guys. Those are I don't have a shot. You go take that shot, make that shot. Give it back to me. I ain't got it. You see how many times he pumped fake that shit? He was trying to make them look like they can shoot it.

And he's like, fuck, I ain't open. I'm going to throw it to him. He's wide open. Been wide open. You know what I'm saying? So I think Lucas always. that guy. Like, he would rather shoot his shot. Who was it? Who was wild? Who was wide? Who was why? Jake? Mawstate. Jake was open. Jake is still like, he's still a hit and miss, you

know what I mean? Like, AJ's trying to save and preserve the race. He's trying to preserve. Yeah, he's like, pass it to the white guy at least. I let him hit real quick. Yeah, how would you rate JJ's coaching so far? As far as A's and B's or what? One. I'm just, as far as a lot of the other coaches in the... I'm giving in the B. A B.A. Like, would you say he's an average coach or above average coach? Like, why he don't get a lot of heat?

Like, you got to look at our, like, really? I'm looking at, like, we don't see. B minus for me. Like, look at the players we have on our team. Hey. Right? Like, people like, look, you look at LeBron James and Luca. But think of the rest of the field.

All undersized guards that are not athletic, our best athletic guard is our oldest player's son. That's our most athletic. That's actually the only person who can compete with the rest of these young guards in here who's trying to jump over everybody.

Everybody else can't. Right? They got to play ground game. Right? I got to pick you up full court trying to take a charge. If I don't, John Morin's coming. He's coming down the lane.

So my older guards, small, that have no, that's them. And their wings. They are twos. So we don't really have nothing. Darvaham did more with less. No. Hell no.

Get the fuck out. I got to the Western Conference. Let the fuck out of it. They did make it to the West Conference finals. That was the conference finals. You got to the Western Conference finals with less. No. With less is with less.

No, no, less is now. No, we got more. You got more with Luca. You got more with Luca here. Wait, hold on. No, no. No, no. You had ADD and Luca swapping them out.

You got more. Jay has more. So was AD Brown? You guys are motherfucking morons. LeBron James is 40 fucking one right now. Oh man, you're going to praise him for us out. I would take the 38th of Brains, right? He's still dunking.

He's still dunking. I have more. I got 38-year-old LeBron James. He still doing the same thing. He's still doing the same shit. No, no, no. The numbers has not changed. His numbers didn't change the way he played changed.

So what are we talking about? I got a three-point step back slow, getting under No, that's what I got today. I'm talking about the others. Let's talk about the other. Today. You got the same fucking quality players as you had when he was with Darwin Ham.

I got an option to, LeBron James, today. I had an option one. You got Austin Reed. You still got a motherfucker. Jackson Hades. Still got the same motherfucker. Ruiz still there. Same motherfuck.

Vando's still there. The same motherfucker. We went to the, the, The Western Conference Finals with less. With Darwin. So we did have less. What? What an 80 average?

28 and what? 12. Yeah. 28 and 12. Yeah, baby 28 and 12. Yeah, with Dartmouth. Yeah. First team all defense.

Yeah. First team all defense. Luke has one. Compete for number one. Compete for that? Nobody on the Lakers. I have a 35888. 99.

My most consistent player is 41. And you're telling me which LaV. I'm gonna take. I'm gonna be using the numbers age to age. You're making it about LeBron, but Luca is the one though. Luca is the one that led Dallas to the finals. Scoring. Same year, A.

Same Luca that led Dallas to the finals, 35, 8 and 8. Now you got that on the squad. Yes. No excuse. Jay J.J. Darwin did it with you. You were giving me 80's numbers with the Pelicans Guild. Lakers numbers a little bit less.

Yeah. A little bit less. He was inflating them shits. You know how it was. I think, I think, I think, 20, you're right. You're all. 26 and 13, not 28, not 28. Not 28.

The highest the average of 26 and 13 in that 22, 22, 20, 23 season. 26 and what? 13. That's my number two. Also, average 26 and 12 in the season. What was the first team all what, defense? What was the wrong? What was the wrong?

That 23, 24 season, he was first team on. He averaged 2413, four assists. 2413. And that was my option too. LeBron was. A two way. What Austin Reeves averaging? This season?

This season, 20 points since the whole team's been to game. No, not. What Austin Rees average? 20 points since the whole team is better. Moving to goal post. What Austin Reeve average? Austin Reeves averaging 27, 6 and 6 and 6th. Thank you.

By rebounds, only play 23 games. I'm just saying, what is he average? What is he? 27, what is he average? 27, what is? 27, uh, 6 and 5. 6 and 5. Okay.

What is 35? We're trying to pretend that his 26th. His 26 Remember it was 33 before LeBron James I'm just answering the question I think Jay J's doing an okay job But Garvin Ham did do more With that's all

That's it Without LeBron he was averaging 33 When the whole team Got there He's been averaging 20 That's why he's at 26 Well he got he didn't play a lot of games We got the whole landscape

Of everybody being there Because you can't So was the team better When Lebron was gone But just When Lebron was gone It was just them two Don't forget 41-year-old.

Don't forget the age. You got to throw the age on there, too. Think about what I'm saying. I'm listening to you. I'm listening to you. I'm listening to you. The beginning of the season, no LeBron. Who team was better?

Darwin Ham's full Laker team, because they were all there, or JJ's team? Okay. Right now, whose team is better? This Laker team or Darvinsham Laker team? Because you remember there's no Austin Reeves right now. They're not playing the game. You see what I'm saying. They're not all they together.

It's nuanced too, though. They're not all the, different style game, too now. You got a D. It's a different style. And you don't got no I Aege now. You got three guards out there. I'm trying to say so I can say you're putting a 26 points of game. You're put in a 26 points a game.

That's not actually part of it. And he was on a time limit. I think JJ's doing okay. I think he's doing a decent job. I want to say he's like elite coaching, but he's not like the worst either. I think he's doing better than Darbinham? No. Since he got the job?

I don't think so. I don't think so. Better? No. I don't think so. I know the team is different, but is he doing a better job? We don't know the team is different. I'm going to say no.

We do know because last year they didn't do shit. Yeah, I'm about to say, I don't know. I think Darvin Hill. They made it to the Weston finals. Last year? No, I'm saying Darwin Hill made it to the West Coast finals. I'm talking about JJ Riddy. Oh.

Last year. With Luca Donters and Loran James and Austin Reed. Yeah. I'm with you on the Darwin side. He did more or less. I'm with you on that. They get put him to Darvin under the bus. We're not having it.

Darwin was doing this fucking thing. You know what I'm going to let a podcast. I think he's right. I think how much of a juggernaut who is. No, I know what I'm saying is you're talking about a team that was there versus players that's here, right? And you're trying to use them like they're all together playing in the same time, right? Where it's Alston LeBron and Reeves.

That's not actually the case. Austin LeBron and Luca. Austin Ball and Luca they're not all together at the same time So right and that's what I said At the beginning of the season There's no LeBron Is that team better than Darwin?

You're going to say no Right now Reaves is not in For the last how many games But you can't say the same thing So who's a better team Because Austin was not Austin he is now Than he was when he was with Darwin

So do you think When he was with Darwin The reason question was How much he asked Do you think What's the grading skill Do you give J.J.J. Redick?

I say he's doing like average Like an average. But I. but I can't grade you don't have the same exact team. One half, so you don't have to have that. What's he doing? Nika.

Is he doing good? Average above average. That's it. What kind of job is he doing? We don't give a fucking brown 41. We don't give a fucking ass. Also is averaging 20 right now because he was probably averaging 20. What he was in the last 16 games?

How much was Austin Reeves averaging with Darwin, man? I just thought. Not that. Not that. Not that. I just felt like with JJ Reddick doing the podcast with LeBron James, I just felt like him getting that. I thought we was going to see something different.

Like we were seeing in the podcast. It's about what? Mine was it. Mind the game. Okay, so I'm thinking, okay, he's doing this podcast with Brian, get the job. I'm thinking he's going to do way better than Darbinham. I'm just being honest.

Because of everything they was talking about, what I would do, situation. You're breaking the game now. Well, it looks like that shit doesn't, ain't make a sense on the mother. I'm just saying, right? I love, Jay. Hold on.

Hold on. No, no, listen up. Yeah, he's not. Listen up. Yeah. I'm just saying. It ain't enough. That's like you're doing a podcast about the game and that's what.

Ryan, you get the coach for the, I'm expecting to go in there. And if you're not, then I'm going to be like, well, damn. Got to get to keep him around. Running the game of what? Like, what mine? You ain't no mind in the game, you're just next in line. That's all you were. I think he's doing a decent job.

But like, Garvin Hill did a good job, too, for what he had to work with, I think. What do he had to work with? Right. I think he was an assistant for years. Yeah, yeah. He was able to piggyback off a lot of different ideas and schemes and what to do, how to talk the player. JJ came straight from ESPN.

And straight to sit in that room, right? With the greatest, all of a sudden, he's like, man, I can't even talk to him. They ain't running, none of the plays. I tell them to run and shit. I think we need to have a team meeting. All right, so who's a better coach? We started with Billy Donovan. Billy Donovan or Mark?

Dachnone. Dachnall. Bill. With two different shades. Who's the better coach? I don't think it had nothing to do with who's on the team. It's just who you think is a better coach. How do we know?

I'm asking you, because you said the player don't matter. So you got one coach. Did I ever say the players don't matter? I said the age matters because the player. You said that don't matter. It's the same team. No, I said it's not the same team. You have Donovan Mitchell.

All we said was where do you rank JJ and I said I don't know because I don't have the same team because my players just changed and got older. Why do you have to have the same team for Judge the coach? We got Shay, right? If you coached Shay, right, his first three years, right? You're coaching that. I coached Shay now and he's an MVP.

I don't change as a fucking coach. I didn't do that better. The player changed. The players better. So you should be able to make that decision. I get a better coaching grade. Versus you? No.

So you're saying Mark don't get credit for the championship. But I'm saying is if you say who's a better coach and we got to grade him, I have to say I don't know because one has a player who's developing and one has a player who's now a superstar. So this guy with this superstar has better when he has better. So I can't tell you who's a better coach. But he didn't really ask who's better if he just said grade him. I can't grade because what am I graded him off?

I don't know. I don't know what you're doing. What's the nickname? I don't know what they're doing. What's the Boston coach? Missoula. Yeah. Missoula and he dope.

He's the better. What do you grade him? What do you grade him? I think he's still the better coach overall. I think he's a better coach because he can go from, he went from Boston and went to Houston still doing the same thing. So it ain't. It ain't no. Blueprint.

So that make him better? No, no. I'm saying he's a better. Yes, because, I mean, I just know Joe just picked up the pieces. And here you go. But what I'm saying, but what I'm saying is he picked up the pieces and he won. Yes, they won. But now we don't...

Jay's picked up the pieces and ain't doing shit. So... But you should be able to judge a coach. Is that not correct? You don't have to have the same exact team to be able to judge a coach, though. You're making this thing like you've got to have apples to the apples to judge the coach. You're telling me to judge them. I'm like, what am I judging them off of then?

I got to judge them off their plays, their schemes, if they're using their team responds, everything with the shit you say in the press conferences, the defense y'all play out there? How can I say Darwin Ham is a great coach if he couldn't coach Russell Westbrook. He didn't know what he was doing. Like, there's a lot of things that factor in. But he could because he was getting motherfuckers telling him to do that shit. Motherfuckers was telling him, hey, look, man, we play better

with Russ coming off the bench. Well, shit. Again. I'm trying to please motherfuckers that got me fired. Again. If I would have done it my way, we would have went back to the finals. Now, that's a narrative. But that's fact. You're trying to, you were trying to judge your coach and I say, what are

we going off of? You're going off of the record, or we're going off of how they manage the team itself. So we have, we, we see what happened with Darwin Ham. With Darwin, he went to the finals. We had Westbrook and all of that. So are we using the record now? We're using the finals.

So you're using the metric of him getting to the Western Conference. So you're only using records now. No, we're talking about, so Mazur because you're going to contradict him, because Missoula won a championship. It's not about the raw record, but in order to get to the finals, you don't necessarily have to have the best record.

You have to coach your team up to a level to win to get there. You don't have to have the number one record. You're telling me to judge two different people. I got to see how he's using you. You've seen it. You've seen it last year. This ain't the first year JJ's coaching, bro. We've been watching.

They're underachieving. Based off of what he's done. They're underachieving based on where they was last that when the other coach was there. Where did you grade, Jay, Jay. They're underachieving from where they were before. When Darvindham left, they was at the Western Conference Finals. JJ came in and took over. They haven't been back.

And that says the new coach is worse? He's underachieving based on mind the game, and I'm going to do this, just like BJ was just saying. He's been there one season. I'm just saying he's not terrible. He's not doing better than. He's not doing better than. He's not doing the worst, but he's not doing the best.

And what do you do? He's doing the average coach. That's what I say. And he's with Darwin. Same thing. What I want you to say that? You make it seem like you can't make that decision. I can't make that decision.

It's like a major and cripple. Adrian Griffin was in their half of a fucking season. We can say he did a great job. But you're going to say who's a better coach? Him or Doc? Him or Doc? Based on the job he was doing by the time he was there and the job Doc is doing when the time he's there.

Who's the better coach between them two? You could say Adrian Griffin did a better job. A better job in Milwaukee. Yes. That doesn't mean you a better coach. Better job. He's keeping it for Lakers. No, no, no.

He's kind of keeping it. context for you so you understand. No, we keep correcting him because he's trying to use it as a whole thing. For that team, that team there, he coached that team better. Doesn't make him a better coach than that. It was his first coaching job. Who? So it all we get to go off of.

That's all we get to go off of. That's all we get to go off of. This is all we're going to for. Boom, boom. This is what you left with. Uh-huh. When you got this job, boom, Hozer. They was fucked up.

So I'm gonna go with Doc. They was fucked up. And then Adrian Griffin came in. 30 and 13. They were looking promising again. Ooh. JJ, we are here when Darwin left. Here you come in.

Hey, bro, we're expecting to get back to here. Yeah. Did I have the same team when Darwin? It don't matter about that. It do matter. Like Ohio's that no matter. He got a superstar. How can I make the same thing to get?

How can I make the same Thanksgiving? The same thing. The answer is yes, Bill. You have turkey and ham. You got turkey and ham. I got tofu. The answer is this. I got tofu.

I got tofu now. He had 80. I got tofu now. Was 80 there? No. He was turkey with you. He was turkey with you. I got the tofu version.

Stop. Stop. Stop. I got to poke my eye version. I got Twinkle tov version. He was still, he was still Mr. Glass. No. Yes, he was.

Yeah, he was. He was still falling down to steps. You always been with him. We still had to feed him up. No, no, no. You played with AD in New Orleans? I know what I have. You played with AD in New Orleans?

Mm-hmm. He was getting hurt there, too. Yeah, he was always hurt. But when he wasn't, he was hurting up crazy. No, facts. No, he would always hurt, though. It's just, I don't know. Shout out to Darwin, man.

Yeah. Oh, Darwin had a drink. Shout out to Kobe Bryant, too, man. Shut up. Rest in peace, man. I'm big dog. Always. Darvin had

76. He played 76 games for Darwin Ham. 42 for me. 42, I get 42. I told you I get the tofu. There was a trade. There was a trade at the deadline.

You traded them. We see what happened. But you traded. And who did you get for him, no? Who did you get for him? Thank you. We just came from the line. We just came from the bank.

Man. Congratulations. Who was still stuck in. No, we don't want to hear that excuse. You're making an excuse now. That's not reality? Nope. Hell now.

You're with the Lakers now, Nick. I don't have this. You were still free willy. That's all it was. You was just fat. That's it, nigga. Yeah, fat and I was fat. Noghurt.

Eating churros, Michelle? Get off from chiroos or churals. Wait, when the heaven? No, no, no. Who are cholesterol? Low cholesterol. I like it. When did that?

What are you talking about? Coach, he was gone, what, 20, 23, 24 season? Last season, Dre-Jer Redd first season was last season He got an extension this offseason. He got the extension already. They didn't even give him.

He was the first ever to win the turkey. Come on. His season, no, not. One little in the season. I got first team all defense. Anthony,

I got turkey. I was trying to tell you. And you got rid of it. Huh? Because he just played like tofu. No. Is turkey really good for things? I know it's supposed to be the...

I don't know. It's fire. Turkey hasn't... No. No. It don't matter. You got it. You got it.

You got it. The turkey is that delicious. Shit, deep, yeah. Deep fried turkeys the best. You got mac and cheese. You got mac and cheese. If you season cheese, they gave me peas. They didn't make it.

They didn't give them my favorite. How they give you peas? You got Luca. Huh? That's what I'm keeping. It's not. Luca. You got Luca.

No, no, no. They gave you this. Just came in the finals. You got another nigga from the finals. You actually swapped out perfect. How much? We went to the finals. You went to the finals.

Here you go. How much you want, girl? What do you want for me? I want the same meal. If you're going to judge me against another man, I want the same exact meal. You got the meal for 42 games. That he used to see who's the better cook.

42 games. You can't tell me, you can't cook a Thanksgiving meal and have this and then change my pieces. And then niggas who don't like peas, I don't like that. I like the bag of cheese. Of course you like back to cheese. I do too.

But they gave me peas. But you like, but you like, but you like, but you like back the peas back. Man, who did have peas? Who made the potato side? Who made the potato side? I got Marky Smart. I got Ronnie James.

I got motherfucking somebody from Miami. That's my guards. Gabe Minter. You, listen, I, I, I, he don't understand what he's saying. Give me Westbrook and you poor restaurant. There was a nigger cooking Thanksgiving dinner in this side.

Then you bring the white boy in. And now he's cooking Thanksgiving dinner. It's not going to be the same Thanksgiving dinner. The mac and cheese is going to taste different. The motherfucker's going to taste different. The motherfucker fucking tater salad. They're gonna taste it. Hey, that hair is gonna be a little bit undercooked

in this bitch, a little bit. There will be a green bean, my nigga. It depends if you're growing in the South. Listen, you don't know how to use the ingredients. If that wife wasn't the same, it might be good. You don't know how to use the ingredients for a good Thanksgiving feast. I have a Westbrook coming off the bench,

nobody's life. At 16. You are using the before. 6. That's Durbanham. That wasn't the Western Conference finals. But that's what I have coming off the bench. That was, you're moving.

What, what, what have? You're moving it. Okay. Westbrook, what are those? He wasn't on that team. This is a different Thanksgiving, digger. This is the one where we was in the back watching the movies outside. It was cool.

It was the LA Thanksgiving. Moving it. Westbrook was on that team. Up through 2023. When did they go to the West Conference Finals? Oh, good God damn. I do know my basketball. This is my team.

You are on the phone. You're on the phone. I have a Westbrook who comes off the bench 1688. The only dude that played every game too. His stats is better than every guard I have combined. First, hold on. Now, Westbrook was bought out, I believe, before, uh, midway through that. Also, he didn't.

Okay. So he wasn't on the team in the play. Oh, that's, I got Russell. Russell. Russell. I had Russell. The angel, I'll take the Angelo right now before all the guards we have. Nah, man.

Speaker box. My knicker, my nigger. It's a different Thanksgiving you're talking about. Remember, you said you won't the same Thanksgiving. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on. You can't even, you can't. Hold on. Hold on.

He's not even playing it down. So you're saying DeAngelo that year isn't better than than every guard combined that we have, Marcus Mark, Brony James, and Gabe. Those are my three guards. I got to play. Yeah, he better than that. You're playing.

Oh, I think you. I know he not. Why is he not. Thank you. It's not about that, though. The team is about that. You got Luke, you got three guard perimeter now. Three guard perimeter and nobody else.

Why you keep saying nobody else? Like, he's going to just disrespect these dudes like nobody else. Why you're moving the goal pole like that? That's what he's losing. Instead of just taking the end. Why you just take him to compare what he had and see what he had? Let us go to the next topic. Take the hell, we good.

What did the coach tell? Because we started with, what did the coach tell? Luca, a guy who happens, just a name to do what? That's the question. Coach Redick told Luke to trust the pass. He said trust the past. Who's doing it?

He said trust the pass because this man don't want to pass it to the team he has. Okay? We've seen Luke in the final. He's throwing it off. He's passing it everybody on Dallas. So I got to trust.

He was. He was. I got to trust his justice. He was. I got to trust his justice that he sees some shit out there that he don't want to pass it to. He's trying to. He was he passing to a Dallas.

That's the same motherfuckers. No. Same motherfuckers. It ain't just saying. Huh. It ain't just saying. Who was the dude that went to Charlotte, that they moved to Charlotte? Or, Greenwich.

Chris Williams. I'm Patty, I get him to the ball. Who else? Caleb, was it Caleb Martin? Where black in my line? Yeah. The Merit. Smith, Doria Smith?

Dorian Smith. He looked good. He looked good. Three motherfuckers are the same as Wanderbilt. No, no. Ruey. No Big

It's a big difference You know It's a big It's different But so It's not bad Hats it to them Oh my

You know how I Listen You know it ain't shit When I just described somebody I said yeah He's gonna make one three He's gonna air ball

the next one He was like Mark Mark For sure So he's looking at Like He just made

that way I can't Mark is gonna come down And get you a charge He's gonna come down and make the niggins He missed that layer of the day He's gonna miss a couple of layers

All you do is toss off the bride He'd put it back in big ball He'd be high out there It's cool but he's entertainment It's what you want it It's what you want it Entertainment He's the only thing out there

He's working on his second career After sure He don't get mad at the fuck up He's enough He's the right place You're acting You ever watch somebody in a fast break And don't feel confident with it

Yes He'd be sitting in like comfortable as hell. Oh, wow. You're like, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, slow down, slow it. Slow it down. Give it up. Give it up.

Don't do this one when they go off his knee. Oh, man. He doesn't look mad. He didn't try to, hey, that's my bad. My bad. I know it's so good. That's wrong. I know.

I'm going to time out. We don't do this one like that, man. We asked the chat. We asked to chat who did more with the Lakers, Garvin Hammer, J.J. Reddick. Who did more with the Lakers? Who did more with the Lakers, Darbinham or J.J. Reddick?

Garvinham. Yeah, don't cheat. You're looking at the chat right now on the phone. 61% of the chat. You was a funny nigga, Joe's like. You're a funny nigga, man. You'll be on your shit for show. Thank you.

You asked who did better. He asked you the grade. No, no. Percy asked you a grade how well it did, and you made the comparison. Who did? I didn't ask the chat. What did they ask?

What did you? more with the Lakers? Who did more with the Lakers? Obviously the person goes east and the west's final, duh. Is it obvious? That's the fact. That wasn't what we was arguing about? That was not what we was arguing about?

What the fuck? They threw you under the bus, they try to throw you in the, you know, what's the dude with Michael George that was in there? He was in there gambling with Mike. Hey, Mike. He was like, hey, he came. He went this one. Hey, G.

Hey, man, listen, I have stress in the morning. I don't need stress right here. I got a man who literally don't shoot nobody on shooting games. Oh, shit. Okay, I got to, yeah, I got to have a shootout with a guy who don't believe in shooting people. Oh, he got a conscious. Yeah. Mysore.

I can't shoot him. Oh, my God. Yeah, my show. No, we played two weeks. He hasn't actually shot a human being yet. Okay, we're a good man. In the middle of shootouts. He's hiding.

For what? Yeah, you know, we can talk to him. I can talk to him. Talk him down. He liked Carl Winslow and Diehardt. Man, we got to negotiate. I'm sorry, man. I've been on edge lady because I've been losing a lot of good guns.

Carl Winslow and Die Hard. All right, so we got one last thing before we got to discuss before we wrap it up for the day. Okay. Let me, hold on. Let me pull it out good because you got me all confused and flustered. So Tyrese Halliburton made an appearance on the Mind the Game podcast Tuesday. Him and LeBron discussed a variety of topics, including their mutual.

Dislike of the 65 game minimum for postseason awards. Halley had good reason for it. The year it was instituted, he was available for his Supermax contract. So he felt like he was forced to have to play those games. I said, you know, I think him LaMelle, I forget who the other person was. That was their contract. So they talked about the 65 game minimum and the rash of soft tissue injuries that have played the league in recent years with LeBron offering these thoughts.

The game is different. Like I want people to understand and our fans to understand that, playing 82 games in the 80s and 90s is not the same as playing 82 games in the 2020s. It's just not. The way we play, the level of pace, the level of the speed that we're playing at, it's a different game now.

It's a totally different game. And, you know, it's a lot of soft tissue injuries that's happened now because of it. I hope we can get a handle on that as well, you know, because that's big. game. I think when I first came into the, you know, to the league, Reese, like, some of the biggest concerns of injuries was like, you know, a high ankle sprain. You know, you was afraid to step on somebody's ankle because there was four or five guys sitting in the paint.

So, you know, guys with athleticism, myself, Tracea McGready, you know, Vince Carter, you know, to name a couple guys. Sometimes you're afraid to take off into the lane because it was four or five guys sitting in the pain. If you land on somebody's ankle, you get a high ankle spraying, you out four to six weeks. You know, now that's not really much of a, you don't really see that as much now because the game is so spread open, it's so much pace,

but now you see the new high ankle sprain is the calf. Right. You know, so you know, absolutely can get on that from a medical standpoint, but it's just the game, I just want the fans to understand that the game is a little different. I'm trying to figure out. Okay, what's your question?

Yeah, ask the question. What's your reaction? What's your reaction? Actually, LeBron's comments. It's harder to play 82 games now, essentially, than it was in previous. I think Damien, OKC, all played damn there almost 82 games, and they play offense and defense. So, I've played basketball before. I think you're. I really believe it's easier to go from three-point line to three-point line versus baseline to baseline to baseline.

Don't take that. Like, if I just get to come up, chuck a three, then get back, and he'll go right. I got to come back, chucking three. No screen. Nobody gets a... I think I can wrestle out. You know what I mean? It's not going in the lane,

dodging bodies getting hit, falling, how AI played with bodies and bodies and body. That would be harder. Fuck yeah. Versus just coming down chucking a three. That's why you don't play 25 years. That's why older people play... That's why older people shoot threes.

Why will you lose when you get out of shape? What you want to do? Shoot threes. That's why Jason Kemp became a three-point shoot three. That's why you're limited to say 18, 19 years in the league. That's why you can play now at 41 because... The game is easier. The game is easier.

Not only is easier. It's probably not easier for him because you've got to have a three-point. You've got to be able to shoot that. No, no, no. He's still low managing. He's still doing other shit, taking breaks and shit. Brian has played the most minutes in NBA history. Just pointed out over $72,000.

But he spends a million dollars in his body a year. Yeah, but he only played all 82 once. Only played all 82 one-time Norse. That is correct. So let's not talk about his- at 41 in 2020, whatever. Like, in his peak years, he could have played 82 more than five, six, seven times.

But he has played over 70 games in 15 over 23 seasons. Yeah, it's just, it's just, all eight-two is a different. Imagine getting punched in the chest. Gary Payton, they used to all be, they used to play 82. They don't do four games in five nights anymore.

I'm about to say the traveling is different. It's better traveling. You're getting punched in mid-air, though. You're getting closed lines. You get kicked in the knees. The shoes are better now. The shoes are better now. The airport.

Grand light, therapy, nigga, is the work better now than your previous era? I'm sure the work better. I feel like the internet is better now. The internet and social media has impact your work quality.

The work today is way easier than back here. It's easier or better. You used to come to the house and cook in the 90s. You let me be a star today plan in this air. You're crazy. Z. You'd be like Zion. Name my area.

No, I wouldn't. Name our area. That was like way better than Zion and I'm way to fire to Zion. No, that ain't my ore. So it ain't by your or is the girl's or now. Yeah, that's fine. But my work, I look way better than I'm... What I'm saying is the work ain't better because the work tells.

They have social media. They tell the teller now. I'm up. If I'm up and single, I don't care. No, but I see, but I'm not saying, but tell it. I'm good I am. Listen, the book of bullshit, chapter 22. Bring it.

No, no. Bring it, bring it. Bring it. Book of bullshit. God damn it. Harder to play 82 games now, but it's easier to play for 25 years. 23 seasons, 72,000 minutes. Most career games.

I can stretch it out, though. It's harder to do this, but it's easier to do this. This is a difference for me. You know, it's taxing on the body, 82. It's taxing. Right. Did 79 one time. Shit, me.

79. I was getting low minutes. I wasn't doing a lot of shit. I was out there. Spending a million dollars on your body every year. There's a place in motherfucking Columbia called a bio-accelerator. It's themselves and shit. They fix you.

Ain't no excuse to not play no 82 games, especially what you just said. We're going three-point line and three-point line. Ain't nobody. He just explained it. Ain't nobody's in the lane for you to even get it. the motherfucking the ankle sprains or the knee to knees

or the knee to knees ACLs all the shit we was getting so you got rehab our rehab our rehabilitation better than the 90s and goddamn what commercial flight they're doing commercial flights I mean it's somewhat and they needed the leg room

I mean yeah somewhat but then but then at the same time then why are everybody getting hurt then because he said no no let me say let me say it he said he said soft tissue referring to the tissue soft tissue damage. Meaning I'm laying around more.

Like with the team. You got to put the T on there. Right now, if we all went out and played besides you, besides you, you still play. But if we went out there right down and played five or six games, I know I'm pulling something. I'm going to have a soft tissue tear.

Maybe if you're playing hard. If I play hard enough and I'm going to guard somebody, for sure. I'm going to pull soft tissue muscles because I'm not. trained. You're going to play defense if we play? What? You play defense if we play?

I'm playing. He's going to compete. I'm playing post. He's going to compete. I'm going to compete a little bit. Hey, hey, hey, I'm going from three point one and three point out. I got to. I got them. I got it. I ain't going to. Right. But thinking, we all understand it if we think about

what we do when we get older, right? We only want to sit at the three point line and chuck. So it is easy. for us. So they're getting soft tissue because they're not doing what we did. Right? They're not running all of miles.

They're not doing all of that. So it is easier. What's happening is all the rest that they're getting. They don't have four games and five nights. Right, right. Eight games in ten days. They don't have them. And they're not practicing.

On two hours on top of that. Yeah, like from right now, I think the Lakers got, what, four or five more back-to-backs? Yes. We had that with a thousand a month. Yeah. Every other couple weeks.

Right? So they have more rest. It's so crazy that you'll get paid more now, but you rest more. My son is college. Listen, college basketball, I ask my son. You get paid more to sit down and not do nothing. Thanks. Ask my son, I said, yo, hey, have y'all been bumping in five on five?

Right? He said, no, we haven't played five on five. I said, what do mean? You haven't played five on five yet? He said, no, we don't do five on five in practice. Five on, oh. No, they did one-on-one practice. So I said, wait, you were about to play in the college basketball game,

and y'all haven't went five on five for you to get the bottom, So the first time he played five on five since the McDonald's All-American game was his first college game. That's so. That's an asson. I said, bro, it's going to take you about five and six games. Like, I understand must what he's going to do. But I said, for you to understand five-on-five again, it's going to take you about five games. So good luck.

Get your proprioception, right, everything, right. You're balancing everything. Yeah, you got to understand. You're right. You're right. You're right. The conditioning is fine. The conditioning is fine.

I'm just saying just understanding bodies and running through the lane. But Mus says, you know, he has to, like they prepare different and understand that the game is very different. So they prepare different. So I said, I understand that part of it. But I said, for you personally coming back from injury, you ain't been there the whole time conditioning with the rest of them. So I said, you've got to figure out how to get on the same page with them.

They know how to play five and five. You don't. So they're at a position in the season where, they're worrying about game to game and you're coming into the part where you have to get it on your own and learn how to play 5-1-5. It's hard. Get some of the guys who don't play some of the ball can. That's crazy.

Go to the rec center and play 5-on-5. That's crazy. That's great that it's hard to find run. No, but listen, bro, the mentality is weird now. They want you to play harder in the game than practice. If you want your body to be strong, you've got to practice harder and train harder. So the game is easy. The society is messed up now.

Save it for the game. Why are you going to save it for the game? and you ain't training the right way. Everybody knows training got to be harder than the game. But now the game is harder than practice. Like, it's like, it's like, you know, I say it for the,

they all. Hey, I say it for the game. No, your offseason regimen, you was running, shooting crazy. Thousand shots a day, running, lifting. Even during regular season, I have my workouts. I don't have that team workout. That's what I'm saying, no, but you, your offseason

workouts was much harder than you going out there shooting 20 shots. That was easy. Oh, 20 shots in a game was easy. But don't this sound like he's actually telling and Tyrese, like, embrace the load management. Don't be thinking about going all 82. Like a guy like McKell Bridges who's going to go out there. I remember you saying, you were saying, like, he figured out a way,

not to be in the weight room, being doing too much. He's figured out a way to take care of his body to the point where he can go out there every single night, 38 minutes. That's what somebody I want to ask. Like, I want to hear him talk. Richard Hamilton do. He was one of the guys that figured it out, like, this is how we do. It's like we don't have to be in the weight room doing all the strong shit,

but learn your own body to wear it's not soft tissue. It's not, you go get a real, real massage. You don't get a soft tissue massage. You don't get a soft tissue massage, you know, with the happy ending and shit. You be good. You know what I'm saying? You're good at the end. You, nigga, you release.

You good. You're strong. And, you're knees is good. But you're soft tissue. You're just getting the rub down, bro. You ain't really getting into the muscles. You ain't pouring into the cats. And that's why motherfuckers got all these little calf injuries.

I think it's the off-season work. You need a deep tissue, you know. They need a deep tissue. They need to get that calf. Rubber band workouts. They ain't enough. Rubber band workouts can get you tired and get you swole. But what your body needs, you can't simulate that with rubber bands.

You just can't. Physiologically, don't you translate. You got to feel the gravity of the ground running and jumping. You got to feel the iron. You just, you have to. There's no getting around it. And we're trying to get around it. with these new age pretty weights and machinery and stuff

instead of just keeping it to the basics, bro. I'm a new owner, man. I pay you to play in the game, period. Period. Period. Save it for the game. I need you to play as many as you can. How can I stay ready for the game

without getting injured? Okay. You better be ready for the game. You better be ready for the game. Hey, you can't make the club in the tub, I don't need you have 32 in practice. I'll have you after 32 in the game. Whatever you need to do to get in the game.

Hey, I see you in the game. For sure. I'm going to be here. Not talking about practice. We're not talking about practice. He played every game, though. Every game. He played every game.

No excuses. Nah. We don't need none of that. Well, that's a good place for us to wrap up for the day. Once again, shout out to Norris Cole, making his return to the arena. Appreciate you pulling up. You'll be back tomorrow. I'll be back tomorrow.

Okay. I hope your team wins tonight. We're going to be praying for them. Appreciate that. Can you hear tomorrow? Yeah. Hold on, let me talk my name real quick. You might have found what you're looking for.

No, no, no, I found it. I didn't want to disrespect the kid. You know, he averaged nine. Shout out to it. He wasn't getting... The distinguished gentleman from Oakcliffe, the thing was getting drafted. He wasn't getting drafted.

He wasn't getting drafted. Shout out. Everybody in the chat. We appreciate you. Best chat in the game. Shout to everybody on this couch. Shout out to our amazing crew and staff. Now to the staff. Near and afar.

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