Gil's Arena - Gil & UNC Talk Steph Curry's GOAT case & Ja Morant's Return | Nightcap

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

Gilbert Arenas and Shannon Sharpe react to the Los Angeles Lakers and Chicago Bulls matchup, the Minnesota Timberwolves taking on the Philadelphia 76ers, and more from Wednesday’s NBA slate. Unc and Gil also break down Shaq's comments about Stephen Curry’s GOAT case after the Golden State Warriors beat the Boston Celtics on Tuesday, Ja Morant's electric return for the Memphis Grizzlies, what comes next in the Draymond Green saga, and much more! Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena ABOUT NIGHTCAP: No more waiting until morning. Nightcap is the new nighttime sports talk destination with legends Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, and Gilbert Arenas. Hang out with Unc, Ocho, and Gil as they give their unfiltered takes on the latest headlines from the NFL, NBA, and college football, and give their instant reactions to the biggest games moments after they end.  SUBSCRIBE:  / @gilsarena Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The link is in the chat. Please, with the holidays right around the corner, you can go out and get yourself a bottle or grab a bottle for someone that you love. Gil, let's jump right into it. The Sixers beat the Timberwolves 127-113. Joel Embiid, 51 points, 12 rebounds, 12 consecutive games with at least 30 points and 12 or plus or more boards, 10 or plus more boards. First time since someone has done that since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, 71-72. So that's 50 years ago. Tyrese Maxey also had 35 points. I'm looking at Joel Embiid. I points I'm looking at Joel Embiid I think you're looking at Joel Embiid right now they voted for the MVP I think he's winning that war unanimous what'd you

take away from the game and what'd you like about Embiid hands down I mean he's playing listen he's playing like they're trying to revoke his visa right now yeah yeah right the last what 12 13 games he's been averaging about 38 points a game yes impressive because you know this is that um this is that level that the super superstars get to i think we all questioned his uh nvp candidate last year i think that's what's going on here too and i think he's real pissed off about that. He is. I think what he's done thus far, he says, oh, y'all gave me this because y'all didn't think Jokic was worthy of being a three-time MVP

because no one had done that since Larry Bird, 84, 85, 86. So I'm going to show you that last year wasn't a mistake. So I'm going to come out. You like my numbers last year? You're going to love these this year because I'm going to put it on you. And he's dominating. I mean, but it's so hard, Gil, when he's shooting 17, 18 free throws a game and he's making 16, 17 of those, it's hard to keep.

He's going to get 25 if he only shoots two free throws. Now you're putting him in the teens. How do you stop him from getting 50? And then you get Tyrese Maxey who's saying, you know what? Y'all didn't want to give me that old Max contract last summer, huh? Okay. I'm going to make you give it to me now. Oh, yeah.

I mean, you have a problem on your hand. I mean, when you have a big guy that can shoot free throws, you get to go to them at the end of the game. You have a problem. I mean, when you have a big guy that can shoot free throws, you get to go to them at the end of the game. You don't necessarily need that guard anymore. Like, you know, with someone like Shaq, you know, you need a coach because they'll foul you and you couldn't make your free throws. Right.

But, you know, with Embiid, he makes free throws. So the fact that you can go to him and he can be a go-to guy the last five minutes, just makes it impossible for you to stop him individually. And then when you add a dynamic guard like Maxie, who can get to wherever he needs to get to in fast spurts, it makes them a real dynamic duo. Yeah, but when you look at Joel Embiid, he has no offensive weakness. He can shoot the three. He can put the ball on the floor.

He can finish. Obviously, he can play with his back to the basket. And as you mentioned, if you foul him, he's going to the free throw line, and he's going to make somewhere between 85% and 90% of those free throws. So you look up at the end of the night, and it's not like he's shooting 30 shots. He's shooting 20, 25 shots a night, and he's getting 40, 50 points, and he's giving you the rebounds, and he's giving you five or six assists. And so when you have a big man that can dominate hey and he's not a slouch on the defensive end that can play both ends of the

court and he can play a multitude of ways he can play outside and i love the fact that he's not selling gill because i thought a couple years ago he settled too much he he gotten comfortable like man i can shoot threes i want to be dirt i, no, bro. You can shoot that shot, but why would you when you can go down on the box and get an and one, which is the same thing and a higher percentage of you making the shot. But I think he's been phenomenal. And I want to know what you think about this. I think the best thing to happen was James Harden wanted out

because he gave Tyrese Maxey shots and it gave them an opportunity to see exactly what they had on their hands. We can we can say that because. We get to see Maxey more and be probably got in better condition. He's he's better equipped to handle the heavy load. You would have wanted to see what happened if James Harden stayed. And we get the James Harden today that's unselfish.

I think he still had that selfishness in him where he was still mad that he had to really digress his game. Yes. So now he's accepted that role. If he would have accepted it last year they would have been a lot better the biggest regret philly's gonna always have is letting jimmy butler go if you jimmy butler that's been on a tear for the last three years with the mb this year or last year they they could have been champs do you think that would have been a better fit maxi

jimmy butler and bead compared to imbeed hardening maxi or would you have liked to see imbeed hardened butler as long as you have butler on the team i like butler with with maxi and imbeed i do too because you know with butler he holds he holds everyone to a winning standard. Yes. And the Embiid we see today, we would have seen two years ago. Right.

Because he would have demanded it. And I think, you know, sometimes Joel Embiid loves that real challenge. And I think we need to give credit to... We need to give credit to Patrick Beverly when Patrick Beverly started making him do line drills randomly averaging 38 since then no one's talked about going after practice running up and down getting that extra shape getting an extra shape getting in peak shape doing the extra things to get to that extra level. And that's what Jimmy Butler

brung out of him. So it's like we wish we were like, man, this would have been a great combo today. Do you believe Tyrese Maxey could have become what he is now with James Harden? No. Because I think he would have been still

reluctant, still hesitant to really go out and try to be that real good second option. Right. You know, it's that respect factor that sometimes as players we have, and you know, Maxie, he's going to respect the guy he looked up to.

Right. You know, you're talking about that MVP, James, that, that James that went on a 30-point tear in Houston, that 40-point tear, something we haven't seen since Jordan. He would have deferred to them.

So the fact that he's gone and he really gets to look around and say, I'm that dude now, right? You know, I can shoot 25 shots. I can shoot 18 and 19 and don't have to look sideways and see a guy do this. Right. Right. Right. And when you look at it and you said something very interesting, and I took note of this and I remember,

you said James Harden had to give up and digress some of his game in order to fit with Joel Embiid. It's almost like Kobe. Kobe ain't averaging 35 with Shaq. Kobe ain't getting 81 with Shaq. Kobe ain't scoring 63, ain't scoring 60 in averaging 35 with Shaq. Kobe ain't getting 81 with Shaq. Kobe ain't scoring 63, ain't scoring 60 in three quarters with Shaq.

And so he, I mean, he gave up a lot of his game to fit under Shaq even though he was tremendous. But we saw what Shaq left although it took him a couple years before they got the pieces around him for him to win. We saw what he was without Shaq.

I believe he could have been that years before. I just don't know if he could do that with Shaq. Because Shaq, you got to give Shaq the ball. You got to. And that was the biggest fight here in Los Angeles, right, where Kobe felt that he turned into the guy at the end of the game. But as long as there's Shaquille O'Neal on the floor,

that's who we have to go through. And I think when it was time for Kobe to say this is my city, as long as Shaq and Phil was there, it wasn't. And that's when he went and said, hey, it's either me or them. It's's me or them because he wanted to show the world that this is who i am

without him i need to show y'all that i i'm a i'm a demon and those two to three years he had without shack to show the world that 35 i'm unstoppable that's what he needed to prove that he's on that level of the Michael Jordans. And we saw it because when Shaq would miss games, we would see some of these virtuosos from Kobe. So it gave the world an opportunity, but they're like, and I'm like, no, he can't be that with Shaq. Shaq is too commanding.

He's too dominant. He's too much of a force that demands the basketball. But for him to suppress because can you imagine what his numbers would have been now i'm not saying he would have won titles but i'm not so sure that that's he might have got he'd have had a lot more points than what he got what he had when he retired oh facts i mean because you by the time Kobe hit 21, he was already averaging 20 points, 27 points a game. So,

but that's Shaquille O'Neal in his prime too. Absolutely. You know, so if you take Shaq off that, that, them teams, when Kobe was getting into his own early 2021, 19,

he will have Luca numbers. Yes. It would have been, it would have been selfish basketball. He would have been trying to get nvp scoring titles he would have probably had three or four of them right you know by the time he got to it he was already a winner and it was like all right i got it out of my system now let's right right yeah because at that point time okay i got three titles i need an mvp. I need a scoring title.

Okay, now we can have conversations about all this other stuff. Because I've been an all-NBA defensive player. I've been an all-NBA player. I've won all-star games MVP. So now once he got those other things, now he started focusing again on winning a title, winning finals MVP to thrust him. Because his game, you know, you had to take him because his game, you know,

you had to take note of his game because the footwork, the shot making, the ability to finish at the rim, you follow him, he's going to the free throw line, he's going to make 85% of his shots. He was that spectacular. But once he got, okay, I want an MVP, I want a scoring title, let me refocus. That was the same thing that phil had to do with mike when he first got with mike mike yeah mike you can you can do all this you can get

60 and 50 average 50 but we can't win until you trust somebody yeah that is the big that is the biggest that is the biggest thing in especially basketball trusting now about trusting understand that everything goes into it how you carry yourself right how you carry yourself on the bus how you walk into the locker room how you prepare how you watch film we watch it all if we don't like your process, if we don't like your habits, right, if we're playing the Lakers and I got Shaq and Kobe, right, and you went to the club that night and you coming in smelling like vodka and Hennessy and you condoms, bro, I'm not getting you the ball. You ain't getting the ball.

Yeah. That trust is everything, gill because deep down i need to know you put as much effort into this as i did because if i don't believe if i if it's hard for me to trust you when i if i don't think you worked as hard as i did so i need and so that was the hardest thing for kobe kobe's like kobe and thing is, we're going to talk about this a little later. Kobe was like, bro, why am I going to pass you bombs to ball? You show up late, you leave early, you don't study, you hang out, and then you want me to pass you the ball.

Nah, if you want it, you're going to get a rebound and put it back. And I'm going to be clapping for you to throw it back out to me and let me shoot another one. Hey, that was that whole selfish thing, right? Everyone's calling Kobe selfish, right? not he's calling everybody else over you should be self you you should be considered selfish right if you didn't if you didn't work out all day went to the club and asking for the ball now that's selfish knowing that you're not even prepared to play this game today right yeah you should have been selfish and told your friends now i ain't gonna be able to hang out game today. Right. Yeah, you should have been selfish and told your friends,

nah, I ain't going to be able to hang out with you today. You should have been selfish and said, nah, I'm going to go get some extra shots in. I'm going to get some conditioning in. That's what it requires to be great. And that's why. If you notice, average people hate people with greatness. And great people hate people that's average.

So guess what you need need if you want to be average average people get along just great great people get along just great you notice that gil yes yeah that's that's how it is that's why it's so hard to win as a team because everybody even the highest dollar guy versus the lowest dollar guy gotta have the same goal in mind or it's not going to work no you can't because you can't understand the process right um sometimes the superstar he can't relate to everyone else right he can't relate because his brain is processing at a different frequency absolutely how to relate it verbally they don't like him right it's not like he's doing something wrong he just doesn't know how to verbalize and a lot of superstars don't know how to verbalize their greatness to everybody else to make them jump up

another frequency right you know like with jordan right. He didn't like if you look at if you look at the doc, he didn't know how to talk to them. No, only only Dennis and Scotty. Right. He had to relay the message to the rest of it. Right. That's why Phil was great. Relaying the message like he didn't have to. He didn't coach Jordan. He had to coach everyone else to deal with Jordan. How to accept Jordan. Because a lot of times, you're so great and everything's come so easy, you wonder why they can't do it.

Well, if they could do what you do, they would be great and you'd have a team full of great players. That's the hardest thing to get somebody great to understand in any field because they're looking, bro, why can't you get that? Why can't you do that? It's so easy. The test is only easy if you know the answers. Yep. A given sport is only easy because you make it look easy.

It's not easy. Joel Embiid is theba's longest such street street he has 12 consecutive games with at least 30 points and 10 or more rebounds since kareem had the streak and of 16 straight games in 1971 1972 so that's 50 years what joe ellen bead is doing so that just goes to show you if you do something that only a handful of guys have ever been able to do for this length of time and it hadn't been done in 50 years yeah you should feel real proud of yourself let's go on to the next game uh again bulls beat the lakers 124 108 the bulls shoot 54.5 so we'll go ahead and say 55 percent from the floor eight players scoring double figures lebron had 25 10 and 9 ad 19 and 14 the lakers have dropped four or five since winning the

end season tournament what what's going on i i know what's going on they know they asked about to be traded that's what's going on them bags is packed that's what's going on. Them bags is packed. That's what's going on, huh? Hey, when the rumble started, you start hearing the ministry, yeah, we about to make a trade for Zach Levine, or we about to make a trade. You start losing your passion, you know, for playing hard. Right. I look at D'Angelo Russell, right, before the in-season tournament.

Oh, he was D'Lo. Yeah. Now he D'Angelo Russell right now. Yeah, yeah. We're going to get rid of you, my man. I mean, the way he played tonight, I thought it was D'Angelo the singer. Browse, hey, that. Yeah, that.

Man, I'm like, come on, D-Lo. Just hit one shot. I mean, he didn't get it going. Derek Fisher said he just thinks the tournament season for the Lakers taking their foot off the gas. I think there's a reason why they wait until the end of the year. He said he thinks the tournament is the reason the Lakers taking their foot off the gas. I think there's a reason why you wait until the end of the year

to celebrate a championship. So he feels like they exhale. They won the in-season tournament. They see the battle and like, no, bro, you got 55 games to play. What you mean you exhaling? That's easy to say, but it's human nature, man, right? We win the in-season tournament

and we still talking about trading January 15th. Right. It's the last day. We're still talking about trading. And when you're talking about Russell Rui, right. Maybe. Right. As a player, you start looking around like, man, we, we just, we just pop champagne. We just put the goggles on. I just popped the champagne with y'all, and now y'all still talking about trading us? That hurts inside.

When trade deadline come around, oh, you can see it in people's faces when they're coming on the bus. It's hard to recover when your name is being thrown out trading because your players, your teammates are starting to look like, oh, you still here? I thought we got rid of you, my man.

Wow. No, seriously. Seriously. But let me ask you quick. I think there should probably be three players that's untouchable. I think Austin Reed is an untouchable. Agree or disagree? Facts.

Right now, he's i mean since since the in-season tournament the man's been on fire been crazy he's been crazy now now crazy now why is he still like my thing is why is he still coming off the bench i'm sorry but it's hard as a player to earn your game, earn your minutes, and you're still not allowing me to get my name called at the beginning of the game? I got family here, too.

I got Bill Torres. I'm Lemon Daddy, right? So let me ask you a question. So who do you start him in front of? Because you got D-Lo Prince and Cam Reddish. Prince? I don't need him and Cam. They both going to give me what?

They both going to give me seven, nine. But since Prince has been playing well, Cam, you can bring it off the bench. You ain't earning your minutes. That hurts a locker room. That hurts a locker room where I'm sitting here giving you 20

off the bench and you're starting to do giving you seven. Right. It makes sense. And the thing is, is that I understand that Cam is supposed to be this defensive stopper, but I don't see enough stops on that end because the guys are still getting their numbers to warrant him playing. Now, if you're going to give me seven, and the guy's supposed to get 25, and you're holding him to 17, 18, okay.

But if a guy's supposed to get 20, you know, he's averaging 25 and he's getting 25, you'll say that doesn't, you know, your seven points don't justify you continuously get those type of minutes. And that's how we judge it in the locker room. That's how we judge it in the locker room. Like, you're supposed to be a defensive stopper. If he scores his numbers or more and you're not offsetting it why are you on the court correct your defense your defense ain't worth you being on the court when i can offset him on my scoring yeah i might not be able to you know stop you know water from running but he scored 30

i got 22 that's only an eight point difference versus his 306 correct that's 24 you're absolutely right so let me ask you a question so what what do the Lakers need how do they make this team better if if obviously LeBron AD are unto really really really untouchable uh Austin Reeves is untouchable what's the kind of what's the package that they could package and possibly get someone that can help them? Because clearly, I think they want scoring. Like if they – if you can – with Zach, if Zach Levine is the one that's on the – On their radar.

Over there, right? You know, the perfect three would be Rui, D'Lo, and Prince. They money match up to $40 million, right? So you can make that without losing any draft picks. You know, we have, I call him the YMCA player, you know, from Miami. He just came back today, I think. Oh, Vincent. Vincent, yeah, yeah, yeah, that YMCA player.

Gabe Vincent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That YMCA. Gabe Vincent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can start him and keep Austin as our sixth man, but Austin can play the point. I mean, today the point guard ain't the point guard like that anymore. No. You know what I mean? So we have pieces where we can give up and still be dynamic.

Yeah, the old point guard, the Jason Kidd, the Magic Johnson, John Stockton. No, these guys are mostly two guards masquerading as points. yeah nobody the old the old point guard the jason kid the magic johnson john stockton no these guys are mostly on my two guards masquerading as points did you like the lineup how you started because it looked like chicago started big and he started small um i'm starting to question i'm starting to question bumpy a little bit I'm not even gonna lie right I'm sorry but you know like we are championship teams are are huge no matter what winning teams are doing during the regular season the the teams that pull in them championships are tall they're playing bully basketball that small ball that small ball

don't work like that right um you see what's happening to the warriors now yeah yeah i mean i think they just need to tweak some things over there um but like denver was big um when golden state won and i mean kd6 you know 6, 6'11". Right. He's big. Giannis and them were big. Right. The teams that win are tall teams. Yeah, and they also had JaVale McGee. It's not like JaVale McGee is six foot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you remember when they first started, they had Festus Azili. They had Andrew Bogut. Uh-huh. With the exception of the last time they won when they beat the Celtics and they just had Kavon Looney. They've been a big team. They've been a big team. Right?

So, you know, just that small ball, I think they called it, what, the death squad? Yes. Yeah, like Iggy at the floor. I think people confuse that lineup with, like, the championship lineup. Right. Not understanding Iggy came off the bench right and they put that team in for spurts you know to see if you were dumb enough to the to go

small with them yeah small go small with them yeah yeah the clippers beat the mavs 121 11 kawai drops 30 points uh james hard had 17 points assists. Clippers are now on a nine-game winning streak since James Harden got inserted into the starting lineup. Russ says, I understand the definition of true sacrifice. And Russ, you are absolutely right. Because I'm not so sure

a whole lot of guys with your medals and medallions and trophies and accolades was going to be as receptive as going to the bench and having their minutes reduced like they did as you have been. Man, like we have to really sit back and, and, and think how we judge our athletes. Right.

Right. You know, because someone, how they play the game, Russ played with that chip on his shoulder, the triple-double, you know, the way he played, the way he carried himself, he became a villain to the point where they made the triple-double irrelevant because he was doing it. Ah! Just patting his stats.

Yeah, he's hustling, getting rebounds, and we don't like it. Like, it's just a rebound, and that's an effort, right? That's the effort thing. To the point where we called him selfish. But when you listen to all the players that he played with, he was the most unselfish guy. I don't know if you ever heard that story about Pat Bev, right?

You know him and Pat Bev. Yes. And Pat Bev's sister was trying to get in the game, and she didn't have seats. Pat Bev forgot to leave her seats. So Russell gave his enemy, he gave his enemy, sister, front row tickets. Gave us, hey, you can have my, my people's not coming. You can sit front row in my seats, right?

So when Pat Bev was at the free throw line, Russell was like, hey, your sister's front row, I gave her my seats. And Pat Bev, like, and then he had to process what he said. Like, wait, what? He looked over, seen his sister's front row, and then had to think him after the game. That's Russell, right? So what Russell about it again that's Russell right so what Russell did was that's who he is right he he wants to win at all costs just sometimes you just don't like the approach and I think that when he went to the to LA we're not gonna talk bad on LeBron AD just won a championship so he was untouchable.

So we're looking at the person that we can blame. But that was the only person who was holding the ship. That year, he was the only person who played 75 games, and we blamed him for the downfall. And I think he just got a bad rap for himself. I agree. And, you know, look, the Laker fans are different because they have a level of expectation gill and they know and they don't care what you've done elsewhere he got those triple

doubles and he was an mvp at okc and he got triple doubles in in in washington and he played really well alongside james hard and when he didn't come and give them those numbers for the Lakers, they didn't care that he was homegrown. And because you have to understand the level of greatness that they expect. When you think of Lakers, you see all those monuments out front. You see all those jersey numbers that's hanging up. That's what these fans expect homegrown or not you remember and i know you remember this gail when lebron first got here

and they tried to put up murals they they cover them up nope we're not doing that because he got those mvps and he got those championships elsewhere he got all these accolades elsewhere. Until he does something in the purple and gold, we're not going to accept him. And that is fact. Still, still, Laker fans is like, eh. We're on the fence

still. Because the thing is that they look at LeBron as an adversary to Kobe. And anybody that could possibly threaten Kobe that's a no go Kobe Kobe is God to the Lakers

nobody not magic not Kareem not Shaq not Will not Mike not anybody not Elgin Baylor not J.R.S. Kareem nobody is on the level of Kobe in a Laker uniform because they saw a 17-year-old boy come here, mature, grow, and they saw every step of the way.

Nobody is going to replace Kobe. It ain't going to happen. He was the american dream right when we think american dream we think of our our the movies we love right we have the guy start off as a hero gets dropped down from that hero stature and then build himself back to that hero stature, right? That's Kobe. That's what Kobe did, right? Right?

No other star did that. When Jordan was, Jordan was Jordan. Yes. Magic was magic. Right. They didn't go here, fall here, and say, ah, I'm going back to the mountain. And that's why Laker fans would never say Kobe is not the greatest Laker ever. He did something that we can identify with.

Right. Because you know what? He's human. Yeah. He's human. And I think everybody likes like, man, there's frailty. There's human frailties. And when we see our superstars uh and sometimes it's almost like you know you go to the top and then you fall down and then we're going to do everything we can to

push you back up because we don't believe you should have failed anyway somebody tripped you up and so what we're going to do is that we're going to pick you back up in a hurry and run you back up to the proper place that we believe you should have been all alone. So it's going to be tough. Luka franchise record of 11 consecutive games with at least 30 points ended. He came up with 28. I think he had a triple-double, 28, 10, and 11, if I'm not mistaken. This was also the sixth straight game that Kyrie missed with a bruised heel. I just don't know how far this team can go without Kyrie.

I don't really know how far can they – do you see – obviously, the Clippers, and I talked to Ty Lue. I saw Ty Lue the other day and had a good conversation with him, and he's like, yeah, we figuring this thing out. We going to be a tough out now. So I had a great conversation with him. But when I look at the Mavericks, how far can they realistically go? Not far. Not far.

Not far. Like, man, Luka's good. Luka's good. Man, like, he's never had an actual contending team, but it makes it look like they got something going on. Like, his team has been some trash. But his dominance individually has made people really think Mavs is a playoff team. They got a chance.

They got a chance, right? He's been doing a number on the Clippers. So I know the Clippers is like, whoa, finally. Yeah, he didn't get 40. He didn't get 40, 17, and 12. We finally got a team that we could just beat luca so the fact that you know um the clippers did win you know what i wasn't calling them flippers but i think they've earned their name a little bit i think they earned a clip a little clip in it i've been

impressed a little clip in it like you know you know uh daryl got a i mean i don't think i think clipper daryl need to stay away because – Yeah, yeah. Yeah, as long as he keep – him and Marcellus Wiley, as long as they stop talking, the Clippers do very well. Y'all bad luck. Leave them alone. Yeah, so with Kyrie out, they have no chance.

But with Kyrie in, they still don't have enough pieces. They don't. They don't. I don't believe so either. But give the Clippers. And it seems like it's a different guy every night. Tonight, Kawhi had it going. I mean, Eurostep is spinning baseline, dunking.

The other night, it was James Harden. We see Paul George hit the game winner. And seemingly, it's a different guy every night. Norman Powell has been sensational over the last six, seven games. We know Terrence Mann is going to be all hustle. He can knock down some big shots. Russ is going to come in and give you energy. Even Amir Coffey came in and hit some big shots tonight.

Zubas didn't finish the game. He really rarely does, but you know what he is. He's going to hustle for you, get you some putbacks, get you some offensive rebounds. Yeah, they look good. They're not big, but they look good. And that's what you need from a superstar team like that, right, where any given night one of us can explode.

Yes. You know, and, you know, when we're all hitting, we're untouchable. Unbeatable, yep. If three of us is on, we're still unbeatable, right? You know, two, we can still manage it out. Maybe a bench player is coming, but we have enough talent on here as long as we're playing the right type of basketball,

we should be fine. The most impressive thing? Kawhi Leonard hadn't missed a game. Facts. That's the most impressive thing. Facts. Facts. That's the part it thing. Facts. Facts. Right?

That's the part it is. And we ain't even giving this flowers for it. Hey, I just had to throw that in. That was like, hey, Kawhi ain't Mr. Gay because, you know, normally this time, you done got by seven, eight of them things under the belt. Kawhi saved us up. Kawhi was saving us up. Paul George.

But you know Russ is going to play regardless. James Harden normally plays. The young guys are going to play because they don't know any better. Hey, they just – hey, they just happy. But, you know, Kawhi like to save some of his games for the trip home. You know, March, April. Kawhi say, I need a couple of these games. Yeah, I'm good to go.

But they've been playing well. I've been very impressed with what I saw. John Morant last night scores 34 in his return. He's the game winner. T. Morant was on a radio station tonight and said, my son's job is to try to win championship for the Memphis Grizzlies. Face of the league, that comes from other people's opinions. Second, there have been a lot of faces of the league

that have done way worse things than my son. So while my son is under the guillotine again you cannot do this to me you cannot double stand to me and talk about the face of the league t does he understand and i i i think he's trying to make reference to the guy that we were just talking about here in la but what transpired to him. I think it was 2003. Does he know that we're in a different time now, 2003 and 2023, that there's this thing called the Me Too movement? We just saw Jonathan Major basically lose his career over a situation? I mean, T, what are we missing?

I mean, does he not understand that the NBA is a private business? They set the rules. They said your son's behavior, although he broke no law, but he broke the NBA's law because they get to sit it because they're a private business. Do you understand? Like, private business can say no trespassing, and you can't go there. So I don't get what T is missing. Maybe I'm missing something. Private business can say no trespassing. And you can't go there. So I don't get what T is missing.

Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I'm a little older than you, Gil. So maybe you can help me understand what I'm missing. The ruthlessness of rules, right? Okay, so we have Josh Gidde rules, right? Okay, so we have Josh Giddey, right? Yes. The NBA is doing exactly what the NBA is supposed

to do. Wait till there's a guilty verdict before you penalize, right? That's the American way. What? Innocent until proven guilty, right? There's only a few people that's the american way what innocent until proven guilty right right there's only a few people that's been penalized before being proven guilty i was one of them right i was one jaw was one the worst thing you ever want in a suspension is detrimental to the team because that can be one game or 82 there's no time capsule on this thing, right?

So in a sense, Ja would rather have had a gun suspension because that's only one of three, five, seven games, right? You don't want to be suspended for your behavior because that can mean anything, right? That's just get you off the court, right? It's just, it's made up at the point, right? So he would have rather said hey i had a gun give me one or three games because that's what about one or three games most that was

somebody shooting it other than that the behavior thing becomes this this imaginary thing right it was unfair under the nba rule because the nba rule they're using they're just making it up in real time right but what t doesn't understand is that's how good your son is where he's under the guillotine if he wasn't part of the nba's future they wouldn't give two shits about that man they wouldn't they wouldn't care they wouldn't give two shits about that man. They wouldn't. They wouldn't care. They wouldn't have put his game on TNT. They wouldn't have done none of this.

First game back. Yeah, but because who he is and how he plays, he's under a microscope that he cannot do the things he's doing. What about the thing as a repeat offender, where he went before he, he, T, his t his son jaw and their team went before the commissioner and say we come in here in the humblest way we know how we at the mercy of the nba and i promise you my son and he promised that i'll never put myself in this position again and guess what he goes and goes through the drive-thru rehab, and he stayed 24 hours.

And the next thing you know, two months later, he right back on IG, waving that thing. So what about that? Okay, the first time, I get it. We all make mistakes. And I'm a firm believer the way you change behavior is the best apology. So you said, you ain't got to worry about me, Commissioner. I'm done with that. And two months later,

what am I supposed to do with that, Gil? The same exact thing they did. Because because I did it at 28. Right. Which makes me the idiot, right?

But you old enough to know. I know better, right? Being Superman, right, you got the world at your hands. You have Superman power. When you walk in places, you are John Moran.

When you walk in buildings, shit gets shutarand. When you walk in buildings, shit gets shut down. When you go to a restaurant, they're paying for it. With all the money in the world, the behavior he's doing is just immature because that's all he knows.

Right? It's what he knows. You got a guy who's a kid. When we say kid, we're saying he's just out of college with all the money in the world.

You as senior in college, y'all doing drinking parties and doing all that, right? It's a different... Now, let me give you $200, $300 million. You can buy everything. you will have this sense of i'm un i'm untouchable right and we all fall through it a lot of us fell through it so he's going to go through some more other players going to go you feel you're untouchable i and what what gail what i tell people money doesn't change you it makes you more you already

are if you're childish that means you're just money you're gonna be you're gonna buy childish things you're gonna do even more outlandish childish things uh so with this so let me ask your question because it doesn't look like the the family of the kids or the family of the young lady with the joshiddey situation here, it doesn't look like they're cooperating, but they have hired an attorney. And so it looks like a settlement is going to happen. What do you believe the NBA will do or what do you think they should do? OK, so the fact that from what we've heard, this has been a year ago,

right? So everyone's been aware for a year. The problem is what evidence does, does anyone have, right? Besides a picture and words, right? That's all we know now that this is a picture of them and someone wrote

their own title on it, right? At this point, that's all we know now that this is a picture of them two and someone wrote their own title on it. Right. At this point, that's all we know. So if there's a settlement that happens, we will never know about it. Correct. Right. So the NBA would not be able to do anything anyway, or he can have a lawsuit against them. Right. That's what people don't understand, because what ends up happening is if you suspend this guy, that means you have demonized him and made him guilty without any evidence so right if there's never no case and you done suspended this man without pay what he does now is he sues for everything he's lost and future earnings oh hey i could have been an all-star i could have been the future could have been on this and you ruin my you ruin my brand ruin my brand and that's what that's why the nba doesn't do that and his behavior right now

they can't get him for a detrimental to the team yeah because that's the only thing they can suspend him for is detrimental to the team right to get him out of the right and then you know john said he kept receipts john what was i can seeipts? I can see. And I could be wrong, but when I was asked on the old show, coming out, who would I take, Jha or Zion? I was always in Jha's corner because I thought Zion was too heavy and I thought he was going to have a short career because of injuries. So I say I got Jha. So I've been a Jha supporter of his basketball play.

I thought some of the things that he'd done off the court, I thought was immature and warranted criticism. But for him to say he kept receipts, who had, I'm trying to figure out who in this space, Gil, be it podcast, social media, I'm talking about, that do what we do, or that's on a platform that has ever said, had criticized Josh's game on the court. Because normally when you keep receipts, Gil,

I said something negative about you, Gil. I said, I don't believe that you can do what you, that you said you can do Gil. That's you keep a receipt for that. You keep a receipt because of your behavior off the court. It's, it's, it's fuel. It's, it's a thing that we use to get us up for games. Okay?

It ain't a real thing unless you got a draft and people got, you know, they got in front of you in a draft. Other than that, you can say, hey, Ja had a bad game, and I'm going to use that as fuel. It's just the way I like that he has this because you know what time he's going to be on right um you know you got to figure out ways to get yourself up for games when when you don't have it and and most of the guys they create enemies okay right they pretend they create demons huh

yeah we create enemies right oh man you you said what all right i'm about to show you like you started you know it's tnt game you pretend oh reggie miller you said what all'm about to show you like you started you know it's TNT game you pretend oh Reggie Miller you said what all right I'm about to show you and then we look at we that's that's that's just something we do just to keep our our game at a certain level

he don't have no list his list really is those that that that he cannot make that all NBA team. Right. Everybody he thinks is capable of making it. Oh,

he about to go ham on them. Oh yeah, for sure. Because they cost him what? Another 30, $40 million by keeping them off one of those three, all NBA teams, because now he really gets that max contract because he's made a,

an all NBA team. First, second, or 13 within, you know, a year or two of signing that contract. Get him at a discounted rate. Discount, discount. Shaq calls the stir.

He says Steph Curry deserves consideration as the NBA's goal. I'm wondering if it's time, Shaq, this is Shaq, and I quote, I'm wondering if it's time to start putting Steph Curry as the best player all time. Kenny, you put him over you? Shaq, this is Shaq, and I quote, I'm wondering if it's time to start putting Steph Curry as the best player of all time. Kenny, you put him over you? Shaq, yes. Steph has four championships. He's won two of them without a second All-NBA player alongside of him.

He's won two of the MVPs, one of which is an anonymous, and he's the three-point. Well, we know what he's done in a three-point competition. So a combination of a shooting and ball handling has never been. But, Gil, I'm anxious to hear, but this is why I look at it like women. Okay, a woman might have a standard that she says, okay, for a husband, I want this, this, this, and this, and this. And another lady might say, okay, I want this, but I can do without that. I want this, this, and this, and this and this and another lady might say okay i want this but i can do without that i want this this and this and this for me i said in order for me to consider you a goat you need at

least three regular season mvps two finals mvps and somewhere between eight and 10 all NBA teams. For you to be considered the GOAT. Because think about it now. We're talking about in the history, the 77, 78 year history of the NBA. We're saying you're the best player all time. And there's a very select could even be considered. You're talking about LeBron. You're talking about K be considered. You're talking about LeBron. You're talking about Kareem. You're talking about Jordan.

You're talking about Magic. You're talking about Bird. You're talking about Duncan. You're talking about Wilt. You're talking about Russell. I don't think because, you know, look, I understand the three-point shot. Okay, we already know. The only competition, the question of point guards is he in magic.

Okay, you like Steph? Okay, fine. You like magic? Magic is for me. But that's just my criteria. It's like you choosing a woman. Well, I needed to be, you know, 5'10". I wanted to have, you know, peanut butter skin.

I wanted to have real hair. I wanted to be built like this. Or I wanted to be college educated. I wanted to have a job. Okay, whatever the choice is, that's just my criteria. Where are you on this? I got Steph in my top 10 after he won that title, Gil. I put him in the top 10.

I did. So when you said you'd go was there's only two names right the the problem with the goat discussion is when it was created the goat conversation there was only one criteria it was michael jordan yeah that was it there was no so and i always ask you know so I had to ask 80s players. I had Clyde Drexler, all of them. I said, before Michael Jordan was the GOAT, who was the, who did he take the crown off?

They never bestowed that to anybody. They didn't have any, right? So if they didn't have no GOAT, right? I can't give you a criteria because the guy they gave it to at the time, he only had one championship. He only had one. When they gave him this, they said, you are the best player we done ever seen. You are him.

They were saying that he didn't have no titles. Yeah, but that was in 89. 89. But that's what I'm saying. So it's hard to have a standard when the standard didn't have it. So it's hard to say, now you need five championships. Because the people that we, Magic, Wilt, Russ, Bird, they weren't considered the GOAT.

So their stats don't even matter. So the only person that's in that category is LeBron James. That's the only one who's threatened this this this magic didn't have it bird didn't have it will none of them had it right right so so i can't put you in there now right i can't put you hey 89 he's it that means everybody before 89 88 to 47 no you're not and you're not a part of this so the only person that actually god can that is threatening it will be lebron everybody else you guys are just you guys are second tier that's for me i think the thing is for me gil is that uh and it's funny that you said that because will will numbers are never going to be challenged.

Nobody's ever going to average 50 and 25. Nobody's going to average 44 and 27. Nobody's going to average 30 points and 23 rebounds for a career. Those rebounding numbers ain't nobody getting 55 rebounds in a game. That ain't going to happen. There's a stat people, 14.4 blocks for his career. Just throw it away. But think about it, Gil.

If they would have kept blocked shots, how many triple doubles would he have had? He'd have had 400. No, no, no, no. He has 800 quadruple doubles. So? So, and that's the thing is that like, and then Kareem came along. And Kareem won six titles, went to 10.

Six MVPs. He has the most MVPs. And he had a record that many thought would never be broken. I'm old enough to remember when he broke the record in Vegas. It played Utah. Yep. Because back then, the NBA wasn't like it was. So they took teams and put them in different places

so different people could see them. I'm old enough to remember when the NBA Finals was tape delayed. That's how I go back. And I'm looking like, and they're right. No one ever would say, oh, he's the best player ever. Because I remember Kareem, not when he joined the Lakers, but when Magic got there. I mean, you know, we watched the NBA, mainly the Sixers,

because the Sixers were really good in the late 70s. Once they got the doc, they were going to the NBA fight. You know, they lost to Portland and Bill Walton. And then you had the Superson walton and then you had the supersonics and then you had the uh the bullets they changed the name because the violence there and so when magic got there now it's the sixes and the lakers and so now you this is and the celtics because larry bird and i'm like and then it wasn't because we had never seen anything like michael no we had never seen a guy we had never seen anybody that could level his flair for the game

and what he could do. See, the tongue hanging out. And then the best thing and the worst thing that ever happened to everybody else, it's got to be the shoes. It's got to be the shoes, money. Yeah, it's... It took him to a... Gil, you know when you got a brand and you

are the brand? That 80... Like when people talk about like the GOAT and they say, oh, you know, he got six rings. Just show you... 88, 89. That's it. When the shoe company took the wings off and put the logo on, that lets you know right there.

Right? Yes. But sometimes I don't like talking like stats, right, when you talk about MVPs, finals MVPs, because now would Russell be considered a GOAT if he had 10 finals MVPs or nine finals MVPs, right? He will be in a different category, but that wasn't invented then. Right.

The finals MVP didn't come out until 1969 and Jerry West won it on a losing squad. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That was the first finals MVP. So it wasn't created until after he retired. Right. Right. So, you know what I mean?

So that's a category that he don't have towards his totality. Right. You know, when we talk about, when we use these MVPs, finals MVPs, they don't mean anything. How did you play the game? Were you dominant? Did you change? So Shaq changed the game.

I was there. Yes. Like, I was there. Yes. Like I, like I, I was there when he was calling our big man's bones. Yeah. How many of these bums you're going to keep putting out here? You can put them all.

You can put all five centers here on the same court. And I'm running through all of I, I I'm there. We, we had to put a zone in where we had to put somebody in front, back on the side. Like I was there. Right. So what he's saying is he's putting step in front i know he's lying right i know he's lying right they was drafting big man just just to deal with him just for bodies right you know he's

trying to be humble right he's trying to be humble but But if you ever see a list that Shaq ain't on the five, oh, he gets offended every time. He creates his own five. Have you known that every time he creates a five, he's in it? And rightfully so. But for Steph to pole vault Kareem and to pole vault Jordan and to probe, let's just say Bron Kareem, because I think most of the time when we do have this discussion is LeBron

Jordan, Kareem, Kareem, Jordan, LeBron, Jordan, Kareem. Now,

a lot of the young guys that play when you play put Kobe in there. They, the young guys put Kobe in there. The young guys put Kobe in there. But it's just but let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Jordan has six finals

MVPs, but he only has one MVP. Regular season. Do we still Hell yeah. I don't know. Because the NBA backba back then right think about it like this from 90 to he retired shit from 80 87 i think you want 80 i think you i think you want an 88 89 i think i'm just saying but when when was he considered the best player on the floor? 81. Five.

I mean, he was – Well, the thing – Magic and Bird started talking, although he didn't have the team because every year – I think it was like from 80, from 82 all the way to 87, it was basically the Lakers and the Celtics in the finals with the exception of maybe one year, two years, it was the Sixers, but you know,

it magic one 80 and then bird one at 81 and then magic one 82. And then the six is 83. And then Larry one 84. And then magic one 85, the bird one 86, and then magic one 87, 88, and then Isaiah one 89, 90. And here come jordan took it over in the

90s and so everybody's like well hi if he's so great why he can't break through but they messed around and they've been left about it i don't know he went he wouldn't got the magic potion and once he broke through yeah so when we talk about the nvp if he was the best player in the league hands down no questions asked right you giving him an nvp trophy or giving it to someone else don't make them better like we know at some point you had to give it to someone else right knowing if he was the best player on the best team dominating the game, scoring title, this and this, he has six rings. How come he don't have six MVPs? Right.

Who deserved it? Right. You know what I mean? It needs to be like hockey. It needs to be like hockey. Gretzky won nine – he won heart trophies every year. Mm-hmm. You saw Barry Bonds win the MVPs.

If you're the best, don't get tired. You should get tired of nobody wanting to step up and take it from him. I'm not, look, if I'm a voter,

if I believe that guy's the best, I'm voting for him. I ain't gonna get tired. And that's what it is. We get tired. Like, how is this guy's team number one every year? He's averaging 37 every year

envy he's this and he's losing who what who is he losing to because they're not number one you know and and so the MVPs and all that stuff like I I have to watch how you played this game what was your impact on it versus this is statistical. Because it's jaded. The voters are not watching every game. They're not watching every game. Are they looking at stats? Oh, he had 32% from the field. They don't say he got quadruple-double. They don't say

he got quadruple-double. We look at... My five is Jordan, LeBron, Cole, Magic, Shaq. OK, Mike, the only reason I don't have Kareem in him, I wasn't I wasn't alive. You know what? But you but I think you can attest to this. Kareem is the greatest player that gets the least credit in anybody in NBA history. Hey, I don't know what he is. And I don't know what he did to the reporters,

but they do not like him. He was surly. He was surly. They didn't like him. That's why he didn't have, don't. Oh, so he was Russell Westbrook. He was very rough.

Worse. Worse. But here's the thing, Gil, until 1980, you know the players voted for the MVP. There was no writers voting for the MVP. The players used to vote.

Because the year in 61-62, when Wilt averaged 50-25, Bill Russell won the MVP. That's also the year Oscar Robinson had the triple-double. They say 61-62 was the greatest statistical season because Walt Bellamy and Elgin Baylor, they was like 38-19. Jerry West was like 30.7 rebounds, 8 assists. We know it. Russell was like 19-22. Oh, that was wrong.

They was putting up numbers. But obviously, Russell won the finals MVP, and he won the regular season MVP. So back then, the players voted. So they're like, nah, man, that ain't that bad. If we don't like somebody, like, ah, nah, nah, nah, we don't go do that. That's today, too.

So they took it away from the players and gave it to the writers. So it'll be interesting to see. Now, I believe I agree with you because you – I don't know if they – do they still have the players award? Because one year somebody won the MVP, and then the players voted somebody else MVP. That was the Curry Harden.

So Curry's first MVP, the players voted that that was Harden's MVP. Right. So it'd be very interesting had the players continue to vote, how many championships, how many MVPs would Jordan have? How many would Kobe have? How many would LeBron have? It would be very, very interesting to see.

They will have more than they have now. That's guaranteed. Because when we look and say, well, Shaq only got one MVP, you'd be like, how? Yes. Wow. That doesn't even make any sense, right? When you're a writer,

I don't you you should your badge should be revoked if you are not voting correctly right you know if if if you're sitting here and you got lebron james and you know everyone voted le LeBron James as first team. And then someone has him as third team. Yeah. He should be, hey, hey, hey, what's up? And if this is what you're doing, we're going to pull this. Oh, you remember that?

Huh? That guy did that LeBron. LeBron was one vote away from winning the MVP unanimous. Yeah. And the guy voted for Carmelo. Yes. And at that time, right, that's when you should say, hey, okay, you're not doing this fair. from winning the MVP unanimous. Yeah. And the guy voted for Carmelo. Yes. And at that time, right, that's when you should say,

hey, okay, you're not doing this fair. We're going to take it away from you, right? We're going to take it away. Thank you. Appreciate you. You're going to be on timeout this year and following you. But that should happen. Like, you shouldn't just have these guys just going in with their, oh, LeBron didn't give me an interview.

He didn't give me an interview this day. You know, I didn't go vote him first thing. He can't have that. Gil, and I understand what you're saying, but they're human. I know. You know somebody at one point in time, they give you your butt to kiss

and now you get the upper hand. What you gonna do? You gonna turn around and be like, don't give your butt to kiss right back. It's human. And people are like, you shouldn like you shouldn't i say bro you have to understand these people are human at the end of the day yes they have a job to do but they're human and they have feelings they have emotions and they're like okay i can't get you back any other way. But, you know, you might, you might, hey, you might, you wish you had this all NBA vote. You wish you had the MVP vote.

That all-star vote, hey. But you never know. And that's why I say, you know, you have to treat people accordingly. Welcome. Look who we got joined to the chat. It is Matt. Let me guess. Let me guess.

That's a fake robe, right? You got on fake robe. You get on here and wear fake Versace. Hey, I love y'all, man. Gil, what's up, baby? Hey, what's up, baby? You looking good. I was asleep, bro. I was asleep. I'm sorry.

You don't sleep what you sleep for. You wasn't asleep, boy. Look at all you just got from the club, baby. The only thing that comes to sleep for us. nothing come where you wasn't asleep boy look at all you just got from the club baby no the only thing i would not die you do realize ocho the only thing to come to sleep is a dream and you got to get up to make those happen yeah wait i got i got up for you baby i got i got okay and see you listen y'all y'all again y'all talking basketball talk baby that's that's not that's not my lane you know i'm trying to stay in my lane i'm trying to learn the game i've been studying a little bit but i'm not quite ready to jump on there with y'all man so i can talk about the game of basketball in depth well i'll tell you what just get in the

back seat gillard you just get the back seat just jump in just go for it man just just listen just listen and just chime in from time to time yes you know jaymon you said uh on your pod that draymond draymond is not changing ud udonis hasdonis Haslam, just retired after 20 years, says he wants to see Draymond be a mentor to these young players. At the end of the day, we're here to guide these young fellas in the right direction. Can you imagine me swinging on Hero? I'd take a long walk on a short pier.

I'd never forgive myself. The question is, Gil, you said he's not going to change, but does he want to collect the remaining of that $100 million or does he want to go home and say, I'm going to stand on business? It looks like he's standing on business. It looks like he's standing on business right now. But you know what? It's principles.

It seemed like to those type of guys, right? Haslam, like he said it, he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he hurt someone that he's supposed to protect. Right. I think he's talking about the Jordan pool situation and that he's talking about himself on protecting his teammates from other wolves. And I think as a teammate, what, what Draymond did to Jordan pool, it made him seem like he was an outsider. Because there ain't no goddamn way he doing that to separate Clay.

No, hell no. He's at the Wainey or somewhere. He tried that shit. He ain't never played in the NBA again, ever. Hell no. He played at El Ocho. If he put this chest up, boy, he would have been in the third ward. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I don't know what happened with do we know what happened in turlany with that situation did he say something about him personally go ahead you would have more information about that situation than i would um all right here's the story they were in training camp right so they were in training camp and you know during pool got the second uh second squad so when they were in japan it's about an hour hour and a half ride to practice and back so draymond already started the dray he already started the rough like you suck your team suck how you be, how can you make this kind of money? You can't even get a win, right?

He's going to, like, he ain't going to beat Steph, Clay, Dre. You ain't going to beat the starting five. So he's just going at him. Hey, hey, are you going, right? He's just the whole training camp, right? So Kerr had to pull him aside and say, you got to stand up for yourself. Come on, stop letting Draymond treat you like a little girl out here.

Stand up for yourself, right? So, you know, Jordan Poole like, oh, okay. So they said Jordan Poole was in practice cooking. Boy, he was cooking shrimp and chicken that day, right? Hey, he's talking. And he's talking at Draymond. Hey, draymond hey draymond you gonna do something today or it's 30 it's 30 gonna keep carrying you he's gonna be wearing you like a backpack he said you an expense you an expensive accessory you like a good wow back to 30 draymond got the ball missed the layup it popped off and got the Curry

I mean Curry and Curry hit the three game right everybody cheering see there you go 30 saved you again you got four rings off 30 back that was that day the next day is when the hit happened so Draymond so Draymond like most men're going to do some child support shit.

We're going to do some outside stuff. Child support, seeing his kids. So Draymond coming to practice already disgruntled. Looney already seen that he was on a different vibe. So Draymond's trying to find somebody to pick on. Who are you going to pick on? Poole. Uh-huh.

But the problem is Poole already sensed this. So Poole, hey, hey, hey, I'm good. I already won yesterday, baby. I don't need y'all. Yeah, you're right, right. So if you look at it, Poole not even on the court. Poole ain't even on the court. Draymond's scoring. Where you at now? Come on on theoole not even on the court. Poole ain't even on the court. Draymond's scoring.

Where you at now? Come on on the court. Come on on the court. Talk that mess today. And like, I'm good. I'm good. And that's how that was. So it wasn't like Poole was going at him.

That day, the damage was done yesterday. The day before. And that push, that push right there got him hit. But you know, but the thing is, Ocho,

you know being in the locker room, that's a different type of machismo. Because first of all, guys in the locker room ain't gonna let you walk up on them. Especially, especially, Gil,

we can be disagreeing. Man, F you. F you. You ain't gonna do nothing as long as you over there and I'm over here. We good. We good. But the moment I see you start to close the distance, I'm feeling some type of way. So now I'm getting in the

mindset. If he gets within, hey, all I'm thinking, if he gets within arms, if he gets within, I'm unloading. What? That's the only thing I think. Oh, no, sorry. No, so good.

Oh, yeah, I'm T&R. What are you for? What? I can see he got the muscles. Come on. No, no, no, no, no, no. We arguing. You over there.

I'm over here. As you arguing, we arguing still, and you start to close the distance. I'm never going to let you get up on me. I'm never going to let that happen, Gil. I'm never going to let that happen. My antenna going up. I'm feeling some type of way. So all of a sudden now, I start to feel a rush.

Wow. See, y'all got that's that that's see y'all got that juicy no no the locker room oh joe you better tell oh joe you better yeah i mean you gotta know your antennas got to go up especially even if sometimes even though it's a friend is even even if it's a teammate when someone invades your space when you're in an argument your antennas already got to go up you got to be on your P's and Q's. You got to. Especially in that situation when somebody is showing

any type of hostility to you and they close that distance and they become in what I like to call an arm's reach or an arm's length. Oh! It's go time. You telling me to hit you? No, we don't expect to get hit.

I was at the strip club sucking on titties with you. No, no, no, you ain't going to hit me. I don't care what kind of argument. We got in, baby. Right. Hey, let's keep it over there, Gil. You stay over there. I'll stay over there.

Hey, Gil, you suck. I helped you. You ain't going to do nothing. You right. We don't. No, we got to get incentive. We got to put our shoulders next to each other. We got't gonna do nothing. We gotta get incentive. We gotta put our shoulders next to each other. We gotta... Oh, no.

Oh, hell no. Gil, that's third grade. Will you walk around the circle? Push me. We still on high school shit. That's third grade, Gil. Will you walk around the circle? Do something. Do something. Knock it off my shoulder. We ain't trying to hit this. I ain't gonna hit that. I'm gonna hit this. I ain't going to hit that. I'm going to hit this. I ain't going to hit that.

You can't let nobody walk up on you. The funny thing about it is you got to, like with coaches, you got to know your personnel. When it comes to arguing, you got to understand the people you're arguing with. And you know how they move. You already know how they move. And you know it makes certain people tick. And there's certain people you can argue with and you can get away with it and there's certain people you know. If we get into it, I got to stand on business.

I got to stand on business. If this individual get mad, you already know what time it is. If a man tell you, Gil, if a man tell you to stop playing, just let that go. Just let it go. Even if you a bigger man, hey, he said, man, stop playing. Let go. But like

if you listen to Hassam, right? Those enforcers, like they are not putting their hands on players, so we're not expecting that. No, no, no. But see y'all wired differently. Because Gil, I would tell you, see if you was in the locker room and you get in the

argument and you let somebody close the difference, they're going to hit you in your face or they're going to throw your ass so hard on your back. You're going to say, I'll let this man walk up on me like that. One of the others is going to happen. Gil, I'm telling you. You hit me in the locker room. Guess what? I'm not

playing no more. I'm taking my ball. I'm going home. Call me at my house. Either he's off the team or I'm off the team. That's how that goes. I saw two dudes, two of my teammates,

they're both on the defense. And they have been going back and forth that walkthrough. They just going back and forth, going back and forth, going back and forth. And he was standing in his locker, had his arm in the locker like this here. He said, yeah, you keep on. I tell you what, you ain't going to do nothing. Dude ran over there, hit him dead, cracked his head.

What did he hit him with? That helmet. Because he was standing in the locker like this here. He was just standing like this here. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. He just shaking his head. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. Sure.

Mm-hmm. And then his partner tried to jump in and then the other boy said, no, you don't want that. You don't want that problem. So you have to understand who, like Ocho said, you got to understand your personnel. Because Ocho, remember I told you, everybody don't play like you play. Oh, nah.

Everybody don't play like you play. All that stuff. I know who to play. I know who to mess with, who to joke with. You know, hey, come on, Sean, let that go today, man. I ain't, okay man i go i go get right on somebody else okay yeah yeah you you gonna be ready tomorrow because i got joke i just move that along gill but you don't let nobody close the distance on you gill but that's what

i've never and i'm the jokester i'm the one that i don't take none serious in the locker i never felt i've never felt threatened by a teammate. I've seen fighting. Our big man used to go at it. Obviously, we're sitting there cheering it on. But other than that, it's only 15 of us. Most of us, we go in groups and clicks yeah our arguments don't really carry over to fighting like that like hoopers is not like that right we

don't we don't really want to fight we don't either most of us can't we don't even know if we can or not like you know i mean we can go and that's the thing but we don't know if we can or not. Like, you know what I mean? We can go to the boxing thing, but we don't know if we can really throw a punch. And that's the thing. That's the thing. I say, I tell them all the time, I don't know if I can fight, but you don't want to find out. Hey, I don't know.

I don't. But don't you find out, though. So, hey, check this out. Smush Parker says, Colby never spoke to him in two seasons as a Laker teammate. It was over. They asked him a question about Colby.

He said it was an overrated experience playing with Colby Bryant. He said he's tried to start a friendly conversation with Colby about a football game the previous night. And Colby said, you can't talk to me. You need more accolades under your belt before you talk to me. Damn. That's how y'all get down? We don't call him Smush. We call him William H. Parker over here.

Oh, Smush. William Parker. Come on, Gil. Kobe could get a man conversation. He could say, hey, man, how you doing? Hey, man, look. Smush should be happy. Kobe even allowed him to start. The man didn't

start before Kobe. He was out of the league after Kobe. That's much right. Yeah. The one I gave you, 62? No, no, no, no, no, no. He lucky Kobe even said those words to him. You just can't be talking to Kobe Bryant.

What team you on, baby? Ocho, see, that's what we different. We talk to everybody. The Kirk O'Connor, the practice squad guy. It don't even matter. see that's what we different because we thought everybody the character partner it don't even matter yeah kobe kobe was different man he was built different you could just you can tell and when i heard when i heard the story about what smush said i i can see that i can see kobe being the type you know what you ain't even done nothing yet you ain't earned the right to even speak to me and the fact fact that they had the cubicle right next to each other, I can imagine

Kobe not really speaking to him at all. Yeah. You should be, he gonna be offended. True story. Lamar Odom called Kobe and said, hey, Kobe, where's the What's the Name party tonight we're supposed to be going to? Or the event.

They're supposed to do some charity event. The first thing Colby asked, hey, how'd you get this number? How'd you get this number? And he was like, oh, What's the Name? What's the Name gave it to me? Hung up, called that person. You're fired. Don't ever give my number out without asking

me first. Click. Then called back. Hey, yeah, we're supposed to go to your realm, blah, blah, blah. That's the time he was on. don't ever give my number out without asking me first click then call back hey yeah we supposed to go to your realm blah blah blah that's the time he was on listen kobe stood on business on and off the court yeah but i did that the next day i went to the i went to our team and hey man listen if you do not make five million dollars more, you can't talk to me. You can talk to the person who make five. The five can talk to me. But if you make under five, don't talk to me directly.

Hey, Ocho, you know, NFL players, they had them kind of contracts. There wasn't a whole lot of $5 million players, especially when I played basically the quarterback was the only one making that kind of bread. Man, how you going to talk about no talking to you unless you make $5 million? Come on, Gil. I got that high-tech, man. I'm sorry, y'all.

Here we go. I got the track. And I mean, I got, there you go. Love life. Let's talk about Luca. Luca said he met his wife when she was 11 years old. They just had a child together. He says, but there's no basketball talk allowed when he's home.

You're going to have to rephrase that. You're going to have to say when they were 11 because when you say he met her when she was 11 they were both 11 they were both 11 I mean no basketball talk I mean that's a good thing man when you're at home you're trying to be home

and if it works for them right you you know you you when you're at home you're trying to be home right and if it works for them that's amazing Ocho what do you say all the time man hey whatever works for you and your man well yeah every everybody's different you know they have a set of rules when it comes to marriage and everybody tries to follow that specific set of rules and it's not it's not gonna work unless you do what you got to do. It works for you. And obviously, listen, Luca playing basketball 24 seven. And obviously for us, for athletes in general, when you get home, that's your piece. That's your outlet away from whatever your craft may be or whatever job you may have. And when you go home, that ain't what you want to do.

That ain't what you want to hear about because you got to deal with it all the time. Well, damn, how was your day at work, baby? Don't ask me about my day. God, I mean, come on, Ocho. I mean, when Rel come home, you ask Rel, hey, Rel, how your day was? How many sales you got? I know you had. I know you went on a couple tours today. You sell it. How many houses you sell? Imagine Rel say, hey, baby, when you come home, don't ask me nothing about you come home don't ask me nothing about my day don't ask me nothing about no real estate about no houses about nothing how you gonna feel choke yeah i ain't gonna feel bad because it depends on how she feel because the stresses that might come with what she got to do i don't want no part of that and then when she come home

coming home is your sense of peace. That's your outlet away from all the bullshit. If you play football, if you play basketball, if you play any sport, you know when you go home, especially if you're married, you want your wife and your home

to be your safe haven. You don't want to come home to no bullshit once you're outside of the workforce. Okay, so did you have to set those rules before? You guys talked about that, don't you?

Like, hey, when we get home, whatever we got going on, let's drop it outside and this is just us? No, I didn't even have to set a rule. You can tell. You know? You got to know your people. You know your lady based on her energy when she come in the house. You already know what time it is. You know something's already bothering her that has to do with work no you already know

you already know listen she could real can start a sentence and i can finish it before she even say anything so you already know all right you know what work ain't gonna have should so i'm gonna take a different approach i'm gonna take a different angle and make sure i engage in conversation but it not having to do with work. Hey, I get big lady. She come over work and she told me, I ain't feeling good.

She go get a mean one. Come on up there. Cause you got something on your mind. I'm going to take that right on up off your mind. See that, that, that. And then all of a sudden she said,

you know what, baby, I just had the best day. You know what? That's what you got to do. That's what you got to do. Oh, Joe. See, we all young boy. See, y'all need to listen to them over. See, what, baby, I just had the best day. You know what? That's what you gotta do. That's what you gotta do, Ocho.

See, we all young, boy, see? Y'all need to listen to my old boy, see, Gil? Get y'all some game. Oh, yeah, I got like salmon. So, you know, if you're having the best day, Ocho, you can stay over there. Well, I ain't even got those type of problems. Yeah.

Mariah Mills, we all know who she was. She's the OF young lady that was dealing with Zion Williamson that put all of his business in the street. And she resurfaced and said she had some advice from Zion. Since you want to send your publicist to talk SHIT about me every freaking week, how about you get on a treadmill speed three level 12 maybe you should lose some weight and then go for it like an hour or two second how about stop drinking sodas three how about practice doing three pointers everybody

tried to tie to see you dunk all freaking day learn another move it's getting it's getting bored and tired you're tired and boring just and boring. Just like you were in bed. Damn. She came like that? You know what? That might be the girl that he probably really need. Nah, hell nah. Not that you don't put my business on the street.

Hell nah, I don't need you. But think about the jabs, right? Put it on speed three. Yeah. She know him. Yes. So that means most likely she was the one that was trying to keep him healthy. Nah, but she blew up the spot.

Yeah, I would blow up the spot too. You got somebody else I'm over here with your fat ass and then you over here getting some but guess what she's showing them wires I'm going to keep my mouth shut because probably to keep me from putting my business

in the street he going to keep them things coming because he don't want he already got one he don't want this other business in the street. So guess what? He gonna keep me on the hush. You know, hush money. That hush money good. That hush money coming handy, Gil. What's

wrong with these women today, man? They don't know. Hush money is the best money. Yeah! I don't need to pay you no more. Thank you. The fear. The fear of you telling is what makes me write the check. Once you tell,. Thank you. The fear, the fear of you telling is what makes me write the check. Once you tell, I'm good. That's it, right?

Yeah. Yes! Uncle, I told you, Uncle, we talked about that the other day now. We just talked about that the other day. Everybody is loyal. Everybody is on their P's and Q's. Everybody is loyal until the situation is no longer beneficial and then you will see someone's true colors come, everybody is loyal until the situation is no longer beneficial

and then you will see someone's true colors come out. Yeah. Because the opportunity that presents itself is no longer beneficial. So I'm out you. Oh Joe, were you talking to the black male king when I was a kid? Because I drop a dime on him.

I tell him my sister, my aunts, my brother, they had to pay me dollar. Two dollars to keep this information hush or I'm going dime on them. I tell them, my sister, my aunts, my brother, they had to pay me a dollar. A dollar to keep this information hush, or I'm going to tell Papa. Y'all skipped school. Hey, they skipped school, Papa. $2. Hey, I know you told us to go down to Dairy Queen,

but we made a stop. We stopped off at such and such. Pay up. Boy, you a snitcher? You a snitcher? You think I wasn't when I was? Hey, boy, snitch? You a snitcher? You think I wasn't what I was? Hey, boy, snitches get stitches. Hey, hey, hey, Ocho,

we both gonna have to give him stitches because I can't do it myself. Snitches get stitches. I had Barney Porter. I had Barney Porter on speed dial. They ain't wanna see Papa. Damn. I tell it. I tell Granny too. Hey, my sister made me mad one time i told

granny uh let me check spank out of school they went to statesburg guess what money started flowing again you thought it was money started flowing hey hey hey the anth Edwards, man, listen. I wish I could talk to some of these ladies before. Ladies, listen, if you're going to do it, do it right. You got to understand when you got somebody by the cojones. Yes. I was her.

I need $100,000 right now. When I get in my car, I need another $100,000. When I get to the doctor, another $100,000. When they give me the pill, I need another 100,000. When I get to the doctor, another 100,000. When they give me the pill, I need another 100,000 for me to put it in my mouth. I need another 100,000. Right now, I just got you 500,000. You know what you're going to do? Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. They're going to have to do the pill, Gil, because I don't think they're going to the chop shop anymore.

No, no, no, no. Yeah, the pill. That's true traumatic. They ain't doing that no more. So you got to give them that pill. I don't think they go into the chop shop anymore. No, no, no. That's true traumatic. They ain't doing that no more. So you got to give them that pill. I don't know. What's wrong with these new NBA? Boy, we got them in our little bag with us.

Oh, y'all got them in the bag? Plan B? Oh, yeah, $50. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those in the bag with us. Oh. Yeah, that's the throwbacks. You know, we go to Miami, probably had a little bit too much,

probably slipped up. Got to clean your system before you go back to the girl. Oh, yeah, all day. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. You see why the NBA players got like six, seven baby mamas, man? Hey. We know what Max's was.

Y'all living, living. Yeah, baby. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, you know what? was. Y'all living, living. Yeah, baby. Oh, yeah. Hey, you know what? Look here, man. I'm just glad there was no social media. Ocho, we might have been bad off, Ocho. Yeah, I caught social media on the back end.

But I wasn't bad like that. Nobody was really giving me no opportunity. I was funny looking. I was funny looking while I was playing. So I ain't had to deal with none of that. But Ocho, think about the access that social media opened up. Because remember when you first got into the league, in order for you to know somebody was bad in Miami,

you had to actually be there. Or to know somebody was bad in California, you had to actually be in LA. Now all you got to do is just go to your Explorer page. Oh, you in Columbia? Oh, you in Brazil? Oh, you in LA? You in Miami? You in Atlanta? You in New York?

Philly? Oh. Now we have Black Man's Magazine? Yeah. Oh. King. King. Slam. If we get that booking number, go ahead and book them for a party yeah don't book away i'm about to be in charlotte i got the 10 000 party girl you have to but also understand the type of woman that that's gonna be accessible to you if a woman got a job

she's like well damn i ain't gonna be able to take off work are you gonna pay for the day she missed yes or she's a woman that works has her own schedule she has her own schedule that's easy what type of women are y'all talking about the kind the kind that they be talking them OFs

no all we know is we know we know Miami Miami else? No, all we know is we know Miami, Cinnamon, Spice. We only know strippers because that's... See, y'all got a different time schedule than us. See, we're done practicing about

noon, one o'clock. Y'all done that early? Man, we started practice at 11. I better be out of that gym by 1. Right? So think about the women that are available to us. None. Not no ones that have careers.

Right. So you got strippers that's going in there, you know, going to get their little outfits for the night. By the time, you know, the real women. So you wear that over here to me. With that outfit you go wear tonight, wear that over here to me whatever that outfit you go wear tonight wear that over here to me so we only dealing with slumlords we ain't dealing with no educated women no no we they at work when we when we're playing okay i got it and by the time by

the time they off work we probably at work playing before the game then then we're going to the club but a strip club they're getting they're going to sleep ready for work in the morning. So we don't get those women. Nah, we know Bambi and them. Yeah. Coco coming to the stage. Coming to the stage

number two is Coco. And we know how you look by your name. If you didn't have a name like Deja or Miami, oh nah. That's all we looking for. If you didn't have a name like Deja or Miami, oh, no. That's all we looking for. Who name is Deja in here? Deja Vu. Miami.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. London. Yeah. Woo! Yeah, you need Coco, Honey. No, you got to have a name. You got a name like Coco. You got a name like Honey.

You got a name like Phenomenon. Mercedes. Yeah, everybody Mercedes. Nah, you should have called yourself Honey. You got a name like Phenomenon. Yeah, everybody Mercedes. Nah, you should have called yourself Hugo. You not no Mercedes. A Pinto. Nah, hell nah. I don't know where you get that.

Take that name for her. I don't know who gave it to her, but she don't need to have that one. More like a F-150. Your name F-150. Rod A70 said, Gil, did LeBron's wife really break down film with him? Yeah. No, that's the true. Listen, that's the true story, man. When I went over

LeBron's house, I don't know if you heard the... I think... I think Richie Paul was on JJ's podcast when he was talking about this big gambling game we did. Yeah. Like, when we were doing the this big gambling game we did. Yeah. Like when we were doing the playoffs, LeBron wasn't gambling.

He was with him in Savannah, was watching film, breaking down tape on us. And then, you know, I'm like looking like, oh, well that shit ain't going to work because I don't like that play. Right. But the fact that that's what they were doing at a young age, because I went to coach like, man, Hey hey that's like a machine we're about to play against we were better than them he was smarter than us wow like he was better prepared at an

early age no one i didn't he outsmarted us in that series he was just smarter than all of us we took we took his his gift for granted. We knew the athleticism. We didn't know he was tactical. Are you, Gil, you know, look, chosen one on the cover of Sports Illustrated. We know the three straight, the championships

in high school. Is he more or exactly what you thought he would be? Way more. Right. I mean, I didn't think that. I remember my dad said, hey, you better get ready this summer. There's a kid coming in by the name LeBron James.

He's like a hurricane. Ain't nobody care about no high school kid coming in. And then the first time i seen him i was like all right okay the athlete the athleticism was different and then just you know being on the east coast playing against him i can just see it clicking faster and faster so he had to guard me his first years where i was giving him that business, but you can see it. Like, oh, man, by the time he's 20, oh, we're going to be in trouble. And this part I didn't calculate. But watching him break down film and then watching him, I was like,

oh, okay, he's going to be something to reckon with. But you didn't see that he was going to take care of himself and be exactly what he is today. He did. If someone said they're lying, they're lying to you. For him to be able to do

what he does, because he missed a lot of the Bronnies and Bryce and Zuri, he missed a lot of that because he needs to get his rest. He needs to train. He needs to have the physio and to make

sure everything, and he's at the gym getting up those shots. How important is it to have someone in your life that understands you like Savannah understands Bron and not say I need some help with these kids

I've been here all day with these kids now it's your turn now oh no no no that's exactly what the other 99.9% of us get all day with the kids here right so the fact that that they've been

there from the beginning, the whole team, Maverick, it's the same group from day one. They all knew the objective. And that objective, if it was be better than Michael Jordan, they all did their part. So when we look and say, what has he sacrificed? And we look at Bronny and the family, he sacrificed being with his kids right now.

I mean, it's 20 years, 21. 21. 21 years. So that means he didn't get to really be hands-on with Bronny. I was Bronny's first trainer. Hey, Gil, what you think? What you look like? Hey, I'm nervous for him.

You know what I mean? hey Gil what you think what you look like hey I'm you know I'm nervous for him you know you know what I mean because he's not there to really instill what he can into him right it's been from a distance that's that's what he sacrificed right so the fact that you know Savannah has really gotten these boys to where they are just shows you what type of stability he's had this whole time especially because she's made it abundantly clear she said like some people want to start a business and some people want to do this she says all i wanted to be was a wife and raise a family so that means she gave up anything that she could possibly want to be outside of being a wife and raising a family to sacrifice because she knew what he wanted i mean think about somebody giving

up them you know that's like a mother and a father sacrificing for their child but she sacrifices sacrificed maybe what she wanted or what she could have achieved. So you know what, baby? I got them. Hey, I got this. I'm in the carpool lane. I'm going to pick them up. I'm going to be there. When they look up in the stands, they're going to see one of us.

It's probably going to be me because I want you to be the best that you absolutely can possibly be. Now it gets to a point, Savannah, what do I absolutely have to be there for? Bronny's first game, considering what he went through this summer, the cardiac arrest,

we don't know if he, if and when he'll ever play again, or I can't miss that under no circumstances. All-star game, game one, I cannot miss that. Because I don't know, you don't get an opportunity to do the first again.

To see your oldest play his first collegiate game. So now you understand. Because remember, Ocho, you know this, there's a great sacrifice. The greater the person, the greater the sacrifices that they've made. And there is no balance for greatness. Anybody tell you they're lying. Go ask Vanessa. Go ask Juanita, Jordan's first wife.

Go ask the greats. I ain't talking about, you know, look. There's a lot of good wife. Go ask the greats. I'm talking about the – I ain't talking about, you know, look, there's a lot of good players and there's some greats, but I'm talking about this pyramid. Ask them. Ask them. It's the one thing that I think as men, especially athletes, when we look at, you know, LeBron James and the Kobe's, especially athletes, when we look at

LeBron James and the Kobe's, Chris Paul, that woman that understands them to a T. Right? That is the other half of them. It's an envy.

You start looking around at the girls you chose and like, man, what was I looking at? You know what I mean? What was i looking at what what was i chasing because what i was chasing wasn't it this is what i wanted like my career would have been better if i had that yeah right like you know what i mean like if I had some guidance, some understanding, right? Alfred, not a Robin. I don't need someone out there trying to be a hero with me. Alfred, hey, everything is prepared for you to go be great. Right.

Come back hurt, I'll refix you. Going out there and save it again. That's what we looking for. And I think that's what we when we sit here chasing, we're chasing, looking for that. And we don't know what it looks like, but when we do get it, we know, hey,

what's happening? How you doing? How you doing? Cookie and magic. Now, I don't know, hey, how many women you think would have rolled out given the same circumstances

Ocho shit shit shit take a special one go on back out there with them old things that you would lay yeah take a special one.

Look at Peyton Manning. Now you know, Ocho, you know firsthand how much Peyton time he put in film study. Brady, until she's like, you know what, Tom? Damn it. Man, you've been promising me for the last seven, eight years

that you was going to hang it up. Yeah, man. You ain't gonna stop and i just i just can't do it anymore she went she went along she went as long as she could now obviously they're they're think they're you know hey but again she had her own career you gotta realize she got more money than he does now maybe she's like well a lot of some of the things i did stop i did sacrifice for you for you know, to start a family, to raise the family. But Peyton, Peyton's a boom. She's like, nah, but hey, have a laugh.

It's tough. Man, Brady. God, that man, see, see? Man, Brady's selfish, man. That's that white privilege right there. Hell yeah. You got to be selfish to be great. All the broke girls out undated, you telling me someone makes more than me

and I'm not going to stop? I'm done. Take my tweets. Have them. What are you talking about? Oh, Cho, you, excuse me. Gil, you suffered the same thing that I suffered because I didn't want the girl that wanted me.

I wanted the girl. And so when you choose somebody, choose the girl that wants you, not the girl you want. Because the girl that you want ain't going to be the one. Yeah, no, that's fact. You have to live and learn.

And when you, man, you don't know any better. You're not even thinking. At that point in time, you, man, you don't know any better. You're not even thinking. At that point in time, you're like, man, I should have married this. I should have married this in my college. And then that didn't work out. Because we all say this. I'm going to get somebody that knew me when I didn't have anything. I had this old raggedy car.

I didn't have no indoor plumbing. And they know what it's like to sacrifice and be there for me. Then if that doesn't work out, Gil, then where do we go? Because the one that we thought. You know, it's like, well, you know, if the high school or the college sweetheart doesn't work, well, damn, even if you're the seventh rounder, if you're on an NFL team, you're in the NFL. It ain't like, you know what I'm saying?

Hey, you're in the NFL. It's not like, you know, well, you work around the building. You're actually in the league. So whether you're a seventh-round pick or a first-round pick, hey, are you that sharp to play for the Broncos? Now it's a whole different story. Too late now, Ocho. Yeah.

Let me ask you this, Ocho? Yeah. Let me ask you this, Ocho. What type of Christmas gift should you expect from your girlfriend when you're rich and what type of gift should she expect from you? Let me see. What type of gift should I expect? First, I

expect a gift. I expect her to give me a gift. Hold on. This is the key. I expect her to give me a gift hold on i this is this is the key i expect her to give me a gift with her money not money i've given her right so i expect a gift from her money and for me what i like the things i like is i'm very simple i'm very simple uh especially on on christmas a day like that, give me shades. You know I love shades. I love me some shades. You can never have

enough socks, tank tops, and white tees. And I love Dickies. And I'm throwing this out there now. She probably already know it. I want Dickies. I like Dickies. Give me Dickies, and I'm good. Hell, it sounds like you going to prison. You want some commentary to start with. What the hell? That just... Goddamn Dickies. Give me Dickies and I'm good. Hell, it sounds like you're going to prison. You want some commissary stocked up.

What the hell? That's just... Yeah, that's what I like. You got to remember, I'm from Miami now. I'm from Miami. I mean, Dickies is our... That's the go-to if you're just relaxing.

You're going somewhere, you're throwing a pair of Dickies. Dickies, white tee, tank top. Yeah, look like you're just relaxing, you're going somewhere, you throw in a pair of Dickies. Dickies, white tee, tank top. You look like you about to do a dime. For real, my bitch. You about to do a bill, bro. You shopping at a Schlosser's swap meet.

Nah. I tell you what, I'm going to put some ramen on your books for you. I'm going to make sure you straight. I ain't going nowhere. What type of gift should she expect from you? Oh, shit. You know, I catch them hints throughout the year. Oh, do you?

Yeah, I catch them hints throughout the year. You know, they've seen your picture. You got to pay attention to something she'll say while we out somewhere. Or she'll point to something while we in the mall. Yeah, they'll hit you with that. You like, oh, you like this? Yeah. I didn't turn to the page. You did.

So clearly you like it. You're right. You're right. I don't want to say nothing because she might be in the chat, but I'm locked in. I'm ready for the 25th. I'm locked in. I'm ready for the 25th. What do I expect?

Man, look here, man. At this juncture. Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. Come on. Bring it back in. How are you going to expect something? And who are you expecting it from? Because I thought you were single.

No, I'm saying. I thought you was in the portal. Are you in the portal or not? I'm a free agent. Okay. You know, I was like, hey, I'm about to take a few visits, though. I said, but what would I expect?

I'm expecting less than you, Ocho. Just give me a card. I want a card. Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. For all I've been doing the past 11 months, walk up with a card. We done. I promise you, whatever she gives me is not going to be the equivalent of what she's gotten the past 11 months and 24 days. Right.

I promise you that. Now, what I have gotten, Diamond Rolex and, no, I've gotten them. I haven't received that. Oh, oh, oh. I'm saying. Diamond Rolex, big Diamond earrings, purses. I mean, whatever. A lot of times they say, hey, I want the cash. Okay, no problem.

Because I would prefer to give someone cash because I want them to get exactly what they want. Okay, I like that. Because nothing makes me feel worse. And you know when you've gotten a gift that they don't really like. It happened to you before? Yeah. Wait, you got a woman a gift

and she didn't like it yeah she didn't say she didn't you could tell her body language yeah what was it I don't even want to say say it say it say it

we ain't gonna laugh nah it was no hell nah we got him cussing head. We ain't gonna laugh. Nah. Hell nah. Shit. Boy. We got him cussing. Y'all about to get me. I'm forgetting. I've been a liar chatting. I'm lying. I'm about to start cussing up a store.

Let's just say I spent 15 bands on it. Oh, hell man. I'm gone. Oh, what? I spent 15 bands on it. She got 15,000 and she had the nerve to not like it? It's all good, Ocho.

Oh, no. Hell no. Boy, you done woke me up now. I'm up now. You done woke me up. So ungrateful. Selfish. Anybody that's ever dealt with me, I'll tell you.

That's my pet peeve number one. I hate ungratefulness. I hate it. I hate it. So that's why... I hope y'all broke up after that. I stayed a little while longer. They wasn't going to A, Nasib.

The devil is alive. That's the problem. That's the problem. Because we naturally judge. When we say we're not going to judge you, we're judging you. If I'm spending $15,000, $30,000 on you and you're getting me a card, I mentally have put you in a whole different category. Right? Because I'm making you feel special.

If you don't have no money make me feel like make fruit loops from scratch do something to make me feel special right right do something that you myself hey just call me. Just call me and say, hey, where you at? I'm in the backseat. Okay, I'm on the way. That's good with me. I'm good. See, that's the thing. Ocho, see the difference between men and women.

If a man tells you, if I tell you you ain't got to get me nothing and you don't get me anything, I mean exactly what I say. If a woman tells you you ain't got to get us something, don't you bring your ass in that house without getting her something for her birthday or Christmas or whatever. Man, you asking for a fight. Now, if I say don't get me something, get me something because the other girls is getting me something

and I'm going to... I'm judging. Hey, I don't even... I let them know there's competition always. I treat relationships like the NBA. Hey, there can always be a sub. Hey, I don't even, I let them know there's competition always. I treat relationships like the NBA. Hey, there can always be a sub. Hey, we subbing over here. So,

we subbing over here. I'm acting like I'm 20 years old. We subbing over here. You got franchise, okay, you got franchise, you got a max player, face of the team. Yeah. And then you got, you know, some auxiliary players. Yeah, we got some role players.

You know, they come in for special. Yeah, come in and play some Ds. Damn. I got some three and Ds. Yeah. Ocho. Yeah, I can't. Yeah.

I know you can't do this no more. I got to do it for us. I never was able to do it because that comes with a price. And you got to pay to play. Yeah, I ain't got that kind of bread. I ain't got that kind of bread. I ain't got that kind of bread, Gil. Hold on. Hey. I'm going to pay to play. Yeah, I ain't got that kind of bread. I ain't got that kind of bread, Gil. Hold on. Hey,

I'm going to pay to play all day. You better than me. What you paying for, I can get for free. So I'm going to go ahead and save him a little change. Oh, Joe? I don't want the headache that comes with it.

Yeah. I don't like the headache that comes with free. Right. So you, so you basically playing gear, you pay, you're paying for no problems, no headaches,

no questions. It is what you, Hey, you understand your role. You understand why you brought on the team, play your role, or I'll find someone else to fill it. Yes.

Listen, I act exactly like no chill. You can get replaced. If you argue, there's someone who don't. So why am I messing with your mess? If I'm paying your rent, I'm paying her rent, you argue, she don't,

goodbye. See, that's why we can't complete with them hoopers I can't play multiple rants I can play two people rants mine and one of us I can't play two three four five oh no they play by a different set of rules

and it's a different game Ocho before we go any further O, I want to say we did it. We've officially hit 500,000 subs, halfway to a million. Congratulations. Thank y'all. I appreciate y'all. I love you. I woke up out of my sleep for this.

You woke up out of your sleep for this? I woke up. You know I got a robe on. I don't never come on. You know I was sleeping. I got a robe on. Bro. I appreciate y this you know I was sleeping I got a robe on I appreciate y'all I love y'all Ocho you do realize

I'm hosting first take tomorrow I'm filling in for Stephen A this is the funny thing about it you hosting first take and you still ain't bringing me on and you the head and you the main man for the next two days let me ask you a question Ocho

how many times if I worked at any job and I filled man for the next two days. Let me ask you a question, don't you? Yes, sir. How many times, if I worked at any job and I filled in for the boss, you think I can go out and hire somebody else? Yeah. When he come back and say, you know what, I hired two people. If he is giving,

if you're the main dog, if you're the chief for the next two days, therefore you need to act like the boss. Well, you know what, I got a plus one I want to bring with me. What you doing to me is you acting like you on college at goddamn orientation. Orientation is over.

Your foot is in the goddamn door. Invite your boy. In the door. No, my foot's in the door. I ain't in the door. My foot's in the door. I gotta get all the way in the door. You all the way in the door because if you wasn't all the way in the door, he wouldn't be having you take two days while he's off doing whatever he needed to do.

No, he and they first of all steven a had to agree to this dave roberts who jimmy uh uh uh uh burke magnus uh jimmy pataro and bob eiger and bob bob them know me they they we good they're my excuse me I almost said something they're my people I appreciate Stephen A and all the people that I just named having confidence that I can do this well you need

to have the confidence to let them know that I can do it too he acting like they ain't got no zoom call they can zoom you in no no I don't want to zoom I'm trying to be on set yeah I can catch a flight I bet I'm trying to be on set. Yeah, I can catch a flight. I bet I can get there before 10 o'clock tomorrow morning.

You get here before 10 o'clock tomorrow morning, we're going to be long gone. We over 7 to 9. Listen, just work your magic for your boy, man. I've tried Ocho. Ocho, see, you're the type of guy that I get the job. You know, I'm working at Foot Locker, Gil. Yeah.

And I get there two days, and he already asking me to sit in the box. Hey, sit in the box with shoes outside for me. Bro, I just got in. Let me get in. Can I get the manager status? Let me get the manager status. I set everybody on schedule. Then I'll be able to hook you up. But why would you get a discount as soon as you get the manager status. Let me get the manager status. I said everybody on schedule, then I'll be able to hook you up. But why when you get a discount

as soon as you get the job? Give me your discount as soon as you get it. Thank you. Thank you, Gil. Thank you. Who you say get the discount? As soon as you get the job, you get a discount. Give me that one. I come in at $248. Let me use your discount. But see, you

have to understand how I came in. I didn't come in under the greatest of circumstances. Yeah. First of all, you're number one right now. What are you talking about? Yeah. You're number one. Yeah, and the funny thing about it is you ain't just bringing anybody on.

You bringing somebody that's going to move the needle when he on there with you. It's a whole different ballgame, and I'm that Bob and Jimmy and whoever else understand that dynamic. It shouldn't be no issue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Burke. Yeah, Burke. Burke, B-U-R-K-E. Burke and Brack. Okay, Burke.

B, okay. Burke. Yes. Yes. So, Ocho, can I get in? Let me get in. Okay, okay. Since I can't come,

I'll just give your boy a shout-out tomorrow then. Just give your boy a shout-out. You know, like the DJ. Like the DJ. Yeah. Like the DJ. When the DJ. Yeah. Like the DJ. When the DJ walk in the club and so-and-so,

so-and-so in here tonight. Yeah, yeah. I see my boy over there popping bottles. Oh, Joe. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, just send me a little shout out on TV.

I'm going to be watching. I'm going to record it so I can show my kids. So I want to make sure. Thank you, guys. Make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Nightcap, you've done a great job. Let me want to make sure. Thank you guys. Make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Nightcap, you've done

a great job. Let me go back down here. I got to pull my dog up. My special guest on Wednesday night on Nightcap. Make sure you hit that like and subscribe button to Gil's Arena channel. It's on YouTube. Make sure you like, make sure you subscribe to gills arena channel uh monday show airs monday through thursday live at 11 30 a.m 2 30 pacific time am i correct gill yes sir 11 30 a.m pacific to 2 3030 Eastern time. We've also pinned Shea by LaPortier at the top.

Make sure the holidays are right around the corner, guys. Make sure you go grab a bottle for you or a loved one. And again, thank you. Thank you so much for helping Nightcap reach officially half a milli. Ocho, we got to do something special. We hit a milli, Ocho. We got to do something special. Oh, I got something for y'all. What, we got to do something special. We had a million Ocho. We got to do something special. Oh, I got something for y'all.

What are we going to do? What's up? I heard you like, uh, was it miss? Was it be nasty? Hey, I'm about to send her and one of her friends right to you on me. There you go. Hey, hey, get your, hey, get your covers out. I want you.

Hey, you need your grandma. You need your grandma, uh, covers on the couch when she come in town. You got to get ready to shake them covers, boy. Hey, man, it just hit 500. I'm going to be gumming right now. Go and build my music. I'm going to be gummy right now. Go and build my music. I'm going to be gummy right now. One more for good measure.

Cam Productions says, don't listen to Ocho. He's trying to get you fired on your day off. Nah. Actually, it was supposed to Ocho. He's trying to get you fired on your day off. Nah. It was supposed to be my day off. Wait, listen. If I get on there, you ain't getting fired. You're going to get a raise. I'm going to make sure you get a raise

now. You do. I mean, obviously, like I said, over the last four months, Stephen A and I have become very, very close. But for him to trust me to say, okay, hey, like I said, over the last four months, Stephen A and I have become very, very close. But for him to trust me to say, okay, hey, big boy, can you do it? And for the bosses to reach out and say, hey, we want you to do this, obviously it means a lot.

And knowing, because I was like, oh, man. I'm like, man, I got nightcap Wednesday. And you want me to do Thursday? I got nightcap Wednesday. And you want me to do Thursday? I got nightcap Thursday. And I got Club Shea Shea. I'm taping Club Shea Shea tomorrow at noon. So by the time I get from downtown, eat, I got to head over to the spot and do a taping.

But you can't ask God to give you something and then complain about how much you put on your plate. You said you was hungry. Not what you say, Ocho. We said we were hungry. We wanted this. We cannot complain now about how much you're giving us to eat. Thanks.

I like that. And so that's what I'm going to do. Gil, we had someone in the comments say, Gil, who's on your Mount Rushmore for the Lakers? For the Lakers? Yes. Magic at the one, Cole, LeBron, Kareem and Shaq? Well, I mean, you got to start in five.

We just wanted four, but we'll let you put five. Then Shaq. Man, you sure they put Paul Kareem. The man just fell in a concert, broke his hip, and he still can't get no love. I'm just one more person disrespecting him. I just got in line. Corey Higgs.

Ocho, Corey Higgs said he tried the urine treatment on his ankle, and he could not dunk. I told you. I told you. All you got to do is heat it up, man. Something about the toxins in the urine that absorbs all the swelling and anything in there, man. It had you back to normal in two days.

I'm good. I don't want to be back to normal. I don't want to be normal. Life lessons ask, who's more athletic, football players or basketball players? What you think, Gil? That's a good one. It's different athleticism. I think

overall, like, jumping ability up and down, I think football players. Yeah. Like, when it comes to just max verting, it's football players. Yeah. Like, when it comes to just max verting, it's football players. Yeah. I think we're more athletic. What you think, Ocho?

Man, Hoopers, I mean, Hoopers got bounce, man. Yeah. It's some Hoopers that got bounce. But I think, I mean, it's different types. it's two different type of athleticism and movements in general right man that's crazy i probably say football players especially based on the position you play yeah i agree i think it's football players also

thunderclap what position gail they're asking you thunderclap what position Gil they're asking you Thunderclap Gil what position would you play in the NFL who's the dude that's right next to the Gatorade thing is that the water boy that equipment guy

you see how hard they hit no I got I played Pop Warner I'm not going out there getting hit. You see how hard they hit? No. I got, I played Pop Warner, played for the East Valley Trojans, tried to quarterback sneak. I woke up as a basketball player, knocked my helmet off and everything.

I'm good in this sport. Okay. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, thank you. That's a good one. Funny story. Jalen Dorsey said, funny story.

Monday night, my girl yelling in her sleep had my heart rate about 200 beats per minute. I could hear my heart pumping. Just had to ask, have y'all ever heard people around you sleep, sleep talk or sleep walk? Yeah. Uh-uh. Boy, I'm asleep. I'm asleep. You ain't never heard anybody talking to sleep?

Man, when I'm asleep, I'm asleep. The fact that I heard anybody talking to sleep? Man, when I'm asleep, I'm asleep. The fact that I was able to answer that phone call and you woke me up. I don't know how I did it, but when I'm asleep, I'm asleep. I'm a light sleeper, though. Gil, you ever heard anybody sleep talk or sleepwalk? No, I've never heard nobody sleepwalk, but I heard people talking to sleep. Oh, seriously? Nah.

Yeah. Nah, I'm sorry. They don't usually spend. Oh, seriously? Nah. Yeah. Nah, I'm sorry. They don't usually spend the night, huh? Ah! They don't usually spend the night, though. Man. KLB89 said, Ocho, I'm shooting my shot. I'm a wedding photographer

and a damn good one. I want to photograph your wedding. You love saving money. I'm doing it for free as a fan. How do I get in touch? P.S. Love the show. Hey, boss man, anything having to do with the wedding, that's on the Mrs. N.

So you would have to send her a message. She will respond, especially for something as important as that. And saving money, her and I are on the Mrs. N, so you would have to send her a message. She will respond, especially for something as important as that. And saving money, her and I are on the same page, so she will respond to you if you send her a tweet. I'm sure she will oblige. I appreciate it, though. Oh, Joe, I want to thank you for...

I don't think you were asleep. Huh? I don't think you were asleep, but I appreciate you coming on. Listen, if I wasn't asleep asleep I wouldn't have on my robe I jumped out the bed hooked my laptop up put on my robe and put on some glasses just because I knew I had to pair that massive damn robe

trust me I was asleep I couldn't thank everybody for $500,000 without you I didn't go look you right well listen you leaving me off first take you did that a thousand without you. How that gonna look? You right. You right. Well, listen, I mean, shit,

you're leaving me off first take. Shit, you did that. Well, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what. When we do three quarters

and a milli, I will let you have it. You're gonna take the whole show by yourself. That's your whole. You're gonna take nightcap.

You got nightcap all to yourself. Whoever you wanna have on, you have rail, you have the kids. I'm going to let you have it. Wait, when we hit what? When we hit what?

We can hit either 750 or a mil. I'm going to let you have it. Oh, Chef, let me tell rail. I can get to 750 by next week. Don't do that. What? I'm just saying. You got it.

You can have whatever gas. Hey, you set the lineup for the gas, whoever you want to come on. Matter of fact, speaking of gas, I saw Moneybagg Yo say he want to come on as a gas man. When? It's on him. So we got to hit 750 first, right? Yep. Okay, bet.

Bet. Yep. I heard it. I heard it. But we are trying to get some things together for, you know, that big trip we got. We got a big trip? Are we talking about

over there with the spear at? The spear? Okay. I'm ready. Let's get Denzel. I don't know if Denzel going to be there. He'll show up. I mean, he does like sports, but I don't know. We got to keep it strictly sports and then let him log off

before we go into the other stuff. Now, he would be good on life lessons about discipline, about sacrifices. It's going to be interesting to him because Paulette, Paulette, well, Paulette, I call it Paulette Washington. She sacrificed. She was a classic pianist, pianist, you know, John David, which is his oldest son. All of them are in the business.

They work in some capacity, either in front of the camera, behind the camera. I think John David is really the only one that's in front. I think the others are in the business. They work in some capacity, either in front of the camera, behind the camera. I think John David is really the only one that's in front. I think the others are behind the camera. So it'd be interesting to see a career that span four decades and to how he was able. He, I mean,

if you know them, you know her, but she never like, for whatever reason, she's like, okay, baby, you go do your thing. I'm going to hold this house down. I'm going to make sure the kids have X, Y, and Z. You go ahead and build this empire.

Takes a special type of person to do that, don't you? Yeah, it does. Yes, it does. Thank you for joining us for a special edition of Nightcap Basketball. I want to thank Gilbert Arenas for joining us. Make sure you click, hit the like button, hit the subscribe button. We are now officially 500,000 subscribers on Nightcap. We could not have done it without you.

Make sure you like and subscribe to Gil's Arena channel. It airs Monday through Thursday, live at 11.30 a.m. Pacific time, 2.30 p.m. Eastern Time. We've also pinned Chez Balaportier at the top of the chat. The holidays are right around the corner. Make sure you go ahead and order yourself a bottle or for someone that you love. Your boy got to get to bed because he got to get up early tomorrow because your boy got to host First Take.

Me and the crew, I don't know who's going to be on there with me, but we're going to have a great time what you going to do soon as first take starts tomorrow what you going to do I was like hey how y'all doing I ain't been on TV in a long time so I want to say Ocho can I get you know can I get in

can I get in like I mean oh have mercy so you just want me so you see what I'm saying Gil as soon as I get in? Can I get in? I mean, have mercy. So you see what I'm saying, Gil? As soon as I get in, I just got the job at Foot Locker. He already want me to sit a pair of shoes aside. As soon as the man just give me the jersey.

I used to work at Foot Locker. As soon as you start at Foot Locker, you get a family discount. Yeah. You have a family discount. As soon as you on first take tomorrow, I need to hear. I need to hear. Ocho, I know you're

watching. I love you, baby. I'm going to get you on here one day. That's all. I don't know you're watching. How I know you're watching? Oh, I'm going to be up because I'm going to be waiting on that shout out. I'm going to record my TV and I'm going to tweet it. I'm going to tweet it out. Yeah, that's my boy right there. That's my boy.

I appreciate you guys. It's time to call it a night. Gil, thank you for joining us this Wednesday on Nightcap, the special edition basketball. If only you could do, appreciate your insight, the lessons, the stories. Ocho, Nightcap, we're back again tomorrow.

Thank you for joining us. All right, Gil. We'll see you next time.