Gil's Arena - Gilbert Arenas Applauds Zion Williamson

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Starting point is 00:01:55 Gil! Welcome back to Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Woo! Thursday. I did a great job in my absence. How you doing? Come on, Gil. I checked out the show after. Oh, so you was driving and watching it?

Starting point is 00:02:24 I finished my contractual obligation. Okay, I'm just checking in. Trying to emancipate like Mimi. They didn't let me in the gate today, Gil, though, so. I had trouble at the gate, too. Yeah, I had y'all ticking off the gate. Had y'all ticking off the gate. Just penalizing y'all a little bit.

Starting point is 00:02:43 It's all good, it's all good. Mine was yesterday and today. I don't know what's going on. Same red Jeep, same girl. They be like, hold on, who? I'm like, come on, man. They be like, better not. Same here.

Starting point is 00:02:54 Same here. We good. I don't even say shit. This is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. I'm here with the living legend, Gilbert Arenas. We got Brandon Jennings and his dog freedom? We got Rashad McCance rocking the heat gear and the crown Oh God, and we got me go grunts back in the arena. What's a sativa? Yes some detoxing So I'm just need weed around me even though I'm not smoking

Starting point is 00:03:19 And if we get to 10k You already know what time it is. Go. Did I actually even agree? Yes. It's in your contract. Or did it was just something y'all just put on me? You've actually said it. You've been cool with it. You always say, don't get me to 10,000. No, but did I actually agree to the actual wording of 10K?

Starting point is 00:03:36 The fine print. If you don't do it, it's contract detrimental. I found the loophole, so we did it. We got some things to talk about today. Denver's dynamic duo put up a historic performance to give the Nuggets a 2-1 lead over the Heat in the NBA Finals. With the uncertainty surrounding CP3's future with the Suns, what teams would he be a good fit for?

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Starting point is 00:04:46 give y'all more of the show that you know and love. And let's get into this. Okay, so right off the top, somebody asked, we normally do most of the fans in the show, but B. Mick asked, what kind of lotion are you using, Mika? Oh, it's a place called Napoli Naturals. You can see it. They say your skin's glowing, they want to know. Napoli Naturals. You can see it.

Starting point is 00:05:05 They say your skin's glowing, they want to know. Napoli Naturals in Leimert Park is a dope store, and I get all my body butters from there. Gilbert, why are you hating? No free promo on the show. Because we got a lotion, too. But y'all shit ain't popping like mine. We got a lotion, too.

Starting point is 00:05:17 We've been shining all, and they ain't see no ash. And now look at our skin. Where the ladies at? Come on, ladies. Y'all got to ask about what we do. Yeah, y'all can't see my elbows, but. Thank you. ladies at? Come on, ladies. Y'all gotta ask about what we do. Yeah, I can't see my elbows, but. Thank you, thank you. Come on, ladies, come on.

Starting point is 00:05:29 Look at that. No ash. No ash. We be oiled up, baby lotion, the good stuff. No ash. Johnson and Johnson. From Johnson and Johnson. That's what it is.

Starting point is 00:05:39 Johnson and Johnson out here hurting people. You gotta go natural. Get some something that's actually like four or five ingredients and not a whole list of ingredients that long. My skin is beautiful. Radiating. Let's talk about CP3 a little bit.

Starting point is 00:05:52 Yesterday we got conflicting reports about CP3's future in Phoenix. Chris Haynes said the Suns were moving in a different direction, tweeting the following. He tweeted, Breaking. Phoenix Suns have notified star Chris Paul that he will be waived, making the future Hall of Famer one of the top free agents this offseason. League sources tell NBA on TNT and Bleach Report.

Starting point is 00:06:12 Haynes made a little thread. He followed that tweet up with, Chris Paul plans to play for several more years and is eager to help a team contend for a championship, sources say. That news broke. Then shortly thereafter, Shams tweeted, sources, the sons of Chris Paul are exploring multiple options, including a trade, stretching his contract, or waiving and resigning him in free agency. Phoenix expected to discuss trades ahead of Paul's June 28th contract date. So just as a refresher, CP3 signed a four-year deal with the Suns worth $120 million, but it wasn't really, back into 2021. The final year, 2024-25, is non-guaranteed, and the Suns are only on the hook for around

Starting point is 00:06:53 $16 million if they make a move before that June 28th date. After that, CP3's 2023-2024 contract becomes fully guaranteed. So Gil, I'll start with you. Are the Suns really going to waive Chris Paul, or is this a leverage play? No, I think it's a loophole. Right? That last statement, we can waive him and then re-sign him. So, right?

Starting point is 00:07:17 So, what ends up happening, instead of the amnesty, what I got, right, I can take this player and say, hey, I need cap space to go get somebody else. I'm gonna, you know, waive you, buy you out, whatever, re-sign you for MetVim so you make a million. And then now I have your 16 million available to go sign whoever the fuck I want to do. Yeah, so I think if they did that, he would still get that 15.8.

Starting point is 00:07:41 Yeah, I don't care about the 15.8. And then give him the Vim, so it's like 17.3 instead of 30, so clear of like, you know, 13, 14. I mean, I don't care about the 15.8. And then give them the Venn minute so it's like 17.3 instead of 30 so clear of like 13, 14. I'm not a good math guy. Yeah, but I don't care

Starting point is 00:07:49 about that pure dollar. It's the dollar versus the luxury tax. No. Right? So it opens up free money. I mean,

Starting point is 00:07:59 I can waive my whole team. This is like, I don't know who's talking to them but I can waive all my players. Right is like, I don't know who's talking to them, but I can waive all my players, right? Pay them dollar for dollar and then sign whoever I want. So I can waive Booker All and waive it.

Starting point is 00:08:13 I owe y'all, write y'all a check. Here you go, re-sign you for a million dollars. Now I have all the cap space in the world to sign whoever I want. But I think for those guys, those contracts are guaranteed, so I think CP3 is in the deal. I'm just saying. What I'm saying is I don't care about the guaranteed money. I think it still hits the cap though is what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:08:27 No, when you buy out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When you buy out, the move they making is for the space. Right? So I knew something was weird about it. I knew something, it didn't feel right, but it makes sense now that you just brought that up. They moving for space.

Starting point is 00:08:40 So they're gonna wave them. Like you said, either going to sign and trade him or re-sign him. What did I ask? I said, where the hell is CP going to play his style of basketball anywhere else that's going to contend for a championship other than Phoenix? Phoenix is the only team that fits him with the style of those two stars. Those two stars and it's like, he been there.

Starting point is 00:09:05 Why would you leave? You know what I'm saying? It don't make sense. They didn't riff. Ain't no conflict. So they can also stretch, which is one of the options. They can take that $15.8 million, stretch it over five years. But if they do that, they can't.

Starting point is 00:09:17 But he can't come back to the Sun for that whole five-year period. So they're not going to do that. So it's like $3.2 a year on the books for the next five years. Brandon, what do you think about this whole CP3 situation? I think it's just leverage. I think they're going to try to get the big man up out of there. Sign a couple, because they need some bench players too, so they can get a lot.

Starting point is 00:09:37 So, you know, if you trade your big and just get good pieces back and sign CP, I mean, you're right back where I think you should be. So you guys think that they still want to keep him considering every year he's a no-show in the playoffs? Yeah, that's why they bench. He's 38 years old.

Starting point is 00:09:51 He's gonna come off the bench now then? Huh? Why am I just, okay, think about this. Why am I just gonna flat out- Lose him. Just get rid of him? Yeah. For nothing.

Starting point is 00:10:00 For nothing. I'm getting nothing back? Yeah, that didn't make no sense. Right, so it's mostly, all right, I'm going to get rid of you. I free up this money. Now I actually have money to go sign free agents. Yep. Because all you need is what, like a good eight?

Starting point is 00:10:16 Yeah. Like a good eight, nine. That's what I'm saying. I need to go sign more free agents. That's going to be free. I mean, you know, like some of these kids, like some of them Lakers, I mean, Miami kids are going to be free. They're not going to be able to pay. You know, you have some of the Laker guys, Clipper. You have players that's going to be free. That's going to need money. And they're trying to free up to get money. You're not going, but you

Starting point is 00:10:35 have KD and Booker. You're not going backwards. But do you think that Chris Paul is willing to do that? Do you think like he has some leverage in this where maybe another team is like, well, we'll give you this if you come here. Maybe there's other options for him. I don't see Chris Paul at this point in his life trying to find a fit. I mean, you have a few teams you have. You can go to Boston.

Starting point is 00:10:57 You can go to Milwaukee. You can go to Philly. Come off the bench in Denver, no Golden State, Laker. I mean, you only have four or five options. So, at this point, if you can help the team, you still get your bread. You still get your bread. And you can help the team bring in more pieces that will help. I'm pretty sure he'll do it.

Starting point is 00:11:22 I mean, who wouldn't? Well, let's keep in mind, Chris Paul, 38 years old now, kind of has some post-season injury issues throughout the years. So you already mentioned some teams that would be a fit. I just want to read off who Vegas thinks. So they got the Suns as the top option, Lakers, and then Clippers.

Starting point is 00:11:40 There you go right there, man. You already said it, right? That's it. If he is getting waved and Phoenix is the favorite to get him back, then that's what it is. That's where he's going. That was just a. Then we already know to do low twists. And is that a good move for the Suns to do that?

Starting point is 00:11:58 Yes. OK. Trade the big. Yeah. I'll trade the big man. It's actually bringing attention to Phoenix for trade value. When you put Chris Paul on the chopping block and it's not for real.

Starting point is 00:12:07 Now it's like, what else y'all, what's Aiden, y'all gonna get rid of that? Give me a package over there, what you got? They basically have three weeks to make that move before that June 28th deadline. What I'm saying is if I can chop them and then I got all the, I got, when I'm chopping them and I got more money available,

Starting point is 00:12:22 that's what I'm doing. Yeah, Phoenix, they in a genius situation. They just put themselves right in the center of the trade capital. And he took that deal. So just to be real, I'm sure he took that deal knowing, like we all heard four year 120, knew it was never going to get to that. It was really like a 390, but really like a 375 or whatever it was. Think of how many packages they're putting together right now.

Starting point is 00:12:43 Just for that rumor, right? They're just putting shit together. They don't even need to trade anybody. I just wave them, get his money off, and then I can sign and have my whole starting five plus more. But the trade is big. We don't like the way you talk about Aiden, so we're going to get the fuck rid of Aiden. Who, me?

Starting point is 00:12:59 Yeah. We don't like the way you talk about your fellow Art Arizona, Bear Down. We don't like the way you talk about your fellow Arizona Bear Down. We don't like that shit. So they need to get him, Shammott, TJ Warren, a couple other of them, and get, like you said, a new bench. They get a new – But you got to have it back. You got three. You got three solid core.

Starting point is 00:13:16 You need to get six or seven in free agency. Let's talk DeAndre Ayton a little bit. Obviously, he had some situations with Monte Williams. That relationship kind of went south. Frank Vogel came in. It was reported this week that Vogel said he wanted to get DeAndre Ayton back to playing at an all-star level. I hear a lot of shit. Wait, you mean the all-star? I'm just, playing at an all-star level. He ain't been there, so he ain't got that level.

Starting point is 00:13:38 He wants to get him. I'm just telling you what Frank Vogel and him said. Y'all already starting off lying. See, he's fired. I'm letting him go. He's lying. See, the birthday, if we was having a meeting and he said something like that, I'm just telling you what uh with Frank Vogel and him saying. See he's fired. I'm letting him go. See right there if it was having a meeting he said something like that I'm like this mother fucker. Trying to give him confidence. White man lies. Trying to give him confidence.

Starting point is 00:13:53 I thought the same thing like wait a minute. He's never been before. Just like get back to the number one level. DeAndre I hope you're watching this. We're going to get you to an all-star level. He's giving them close confidence. But we're talking about a guy who's averaging 17 and 10. This is a reliable big right in today's NBA.

Starting point is 00:14:15 The Pacers wanted him. Signed that offer sheet. Son said, no, you bring your ass back here. Does he have some trade value or any leverage on that side? Of course. I mean, he's a big man. He's a big man. And it's Frank Vogel saying that.

Starting point is 00:14:27 He's 17 and 10. Go to Stakey. You can't just find 17 and 10 anywhere. Listen, when you're big and you are decent, if you are big and you're decent, decent, like a little below average, you're 10, 12 million a year. 100%.

Starting point is 00:14:46 Right? In today's game, you're 20 million a year. You don't even have to be just good, just decent. 17 and 10, you're bam. Ooh. If you're on the East Coast, you're a multiple-time All-Star. It's different on the East, though, for sure. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:15:00 You know, 17 and 10 in the West is dominant, low-key. You put him in the East He's better than BAM 10 boys those numbers to like this, but that's what I'm saying So it's like it's it's it's his values skyrockets depend on what coast he's on So yes, anybody's gonna pick him anybody's gonna Pam. Okay, can't, seven foot, seven foot, that's decent. Like, soft jumper. Let's talk CP3 just a little bit more. CP3 to the Lakers. Lakers are the,

Starting point is 00:15:29 I'm over it. The second highest odds of landing them. You rolling with that? The Los Angeles Lakers of LA. No. He doesn't shoot,

Starting point is 00:15:37 he doesn't shoot enough threes for, uh, spreading that space. So, nah. And he dribbles the leather. I can tell you this.

Starting point is 00:15:46 If I'm LeBron and I'm the Lakers, I'll be looking at Miami, some of those players that's cheap in Miami. All those guards in Miami that just flat out shoot the ball, that's all he needs is someone who can just shoot shots. But they're G League players. They're still G League players. So why would you want G League players on the Lakers? Because once they make the Laker roster there they're NBA play Once they make the squad squad right never gonna stand on it

Starting point is 00:16:18 He gonna Lily he gonna Lily pad jump like Austin Reeves was a G leaguer He's not anymore. Hell no. He played for the Lakers. He had to get a hundred million. And Vince in the G league players. Come on bro. Yes.

Starting point is 00:16:33 Caleb Martin. G league. And not the same player? Caleb Martin under contract through 2024 got a player option 25. The free agents you'd be looking at Gabe Vincent. That's who right there. Him. Gabe Vincent. Him. I want him on the Lakers. gave me 2024 got a player option 25 the free agents you'd be looking at gave that's right there him so gave this him I want him I want him on the Lakers he's gonna be NBA player going to be a player yeah he's not one now if he doesn't play for the legacy G League

Starting point is 00:16:54 you know what no let me take that back let me just stop being yes thank you as of right now, he has earned his NBA stripe. Thank you. Gabe Vinson. All of Miami. All of Miami. I'm Jim and I. All of them actually have made their NBA stripe. They are real NBA players. They're in the finals. They are NBA players. They're in the finals.

Starting point is 00:17:17 Gabe Vinson better than Austin Reeves. Thank you, man. What? That confidence coffee. Gabe Vinson better than Austin Reeves? No. No? Better?

Starting point is 00:17:23 I wouldn't. Austin Reeves is more consistent and brings more. He brings more. Austin Reeves. No, no better. Yeah, I wouldn't I would awesome Reeves is more consistent brings more He brings more. I'll see you they never played on this level yet. No, but what I'm saying he brings more he's bigger He shoots does that make him a better? Because he brings more The more you have your bad And that's it we got Skunk. Who? Y'all got Skunk? That's why y'all got Skunk.

Starting point is 00:17:46 That's why y'all got Skunk because he averaged 21. At point guard, like if he's a shooting guard at point guard, I like him at point. He's big. Austin? We didn't get Skunk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's lost in the minimum amount of games possible. So what Gabe Vincent getting this summer then?

Starting point is 00:17:59 Gabe Vincent? 70. No, he's little, man. What you mean? He's small. Alvarado's little. He can shoot, come off that mid, you know what I'm saying? He's little man. What you been? I'm right a little. He can shoot, come off that midget, you know what I'm saying? He's solid. If I'm Boston, that's what you need Boston.

Starting point is 00:18:13 But then you talked about Boston being two small little bitty ass guards. But they're two guards that can't shoot the ball at all. You have a flat out shooter who knows how to score. Like Scary Terry was the perfect player they needed to get over the hump. When they got rid of him thinking that, oh, you know, he's taking the ball out of Tatum and Bryant. No, that's what you need when they can't score. You need a third guy who can give you a bucket. That guy right there, like Kyrie and all that. and Scary Terry was the worst decision you made. Yeah. Mmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Firing that coach was the worst decision they made no good for my new coach

Starting point is 00:18:59 Like that Tatum Brown Terry, yes, and he's the three he's the third option, but he can come off the bench. But he was going to overshine them, though. But what I'm saying, he's the third option. He's the third option who can hit shots at the end of the game. He can hit shots when these two guys are being doubled and stuff. So he can ease the leverage if you ever try to double. Yeah, and he can create his own shot. When you have three guards that can really score,

Starting point is 00:19:24 it is hard to actually double anyone. People don't realize that. When your guard play is really strong, you can't double. You can't double Jimmy with those shooters out there. Damn. Even with LeBron, when we had LeBron, they had Mo Williams, Delonte West, Boobie Gibson. Boobie. Like, even though you'd be like, Boobie Gibson, they're not in with LeBron on the court.

Starting point is 00:19:53 You flinch, and Boobie Gibson is in that corner. Dot. I think Wiley was on that team. Dot. Eyeball. Pavlovich. Pavlovich. I hated guarding Mo Williams in the 4-4.

Starting point is 00:20:03 He can shoot that bitch. He can shoot that bitch. Torch me. He can shoot that bitch. Garden. Move. I hate it garden. Mo Williams in a fourth. Shoot that bitch. He can shoot that bitch torch me He can shoot that I know he was a I know in the fourth quarter came he was in a moment Gilbert I got a box you on the grill like Three off No, I give him work. Yeah, he used to give him work. He's a BJ, too. I used to give him work. No, I gave him work, but I was receiving.

Starting point is 00:20:27 He gave him back. If you averaged 10 during the regular season when you played me, you was getting a cool 20. Cool 20. He was getting a cool 20. Yeah, I ain't even gonna lie. He was putting up 20 on me. All right, so let's talk about another situation going on.

Starting point is 00:20:43 Other day, Chris Ball talked about his daughter and the kids at school harassing her, bullying her, if you will, saying stuff like, your daddy would never win a championship. So you guys all have, or most of us on this couch have kids or have been in that situation, had a popsicle hoop. Who doesn't have kids, Rashad? Oh, everybody got kids.

Starting point is 00:21:00 He has kids? Oh. I keep forgetting I had something. I don't like to make generalizations. He's not talking to me still. But Gil, I'll start with you. What's the craziest thing that people have said to your kids about you? About me?

Starting point is 00:21:17 Yeah. Nothing. That's cool. I'm the kid, I'm the guy that brought guns in the locker room. Yeah, that's it. You're cool. They're parents know better. I'm the kid. I'm the guy that brought guns a lot You're cool. They parents know better Them kids know better All right, you tell you take kids say anything about me you tell them I'll pull up

Starting point is 00:21:33 So I'm pulling up at the house No, because I'm a hooper So all the kids, you know I go to the school and I play with the kids like when my kids is little and I go pick them up I'll play with the kids five on five, so all the kids love me. I mean, I feel like there's some kids out there, we've seen some videos that have been dropped lately.

Starting point is 00:21:50 Are you terrorizing some children in the local community? Nick's kids used to beat the hell out of his son, dog. Making him tough, though. What are you a good uncle for if you can't, like, teach them for the regular world? You gotta get them right. You know, Nick Jr., you can't go around flicking people off. You're gonna get beat up in school,

Starting point is 00:22:07 so I'm gonna let you know how it's gonna feel. Now he plays basketball, right? He got his glasses on. You know what I mean? He's civil. He's a civil man. I did that. You remember you knocked his glasses off one day?

Starting point is 00:22:21 Yeah, knocked his glasses off, took his bike through his bike. I'm the uncle that sees bad. Do you do that to your kids? No. Why not? Which one? Why don't you beat them and get them ready for the world?

Starting point is 00:22:33 Because they already civil. Oh, his nickname's on the civil. I broke them when they were little. Oh, OK. I'm going to break you. Now, you cry? That ain't my problem. Brent, how about yourself?

Starting point is 00:22:43 No, I'm the dad that gave Steph Curry 55. That's what that is. Fair. That's facts. Wow. That's what I'm like. No, that's facts though. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:22:54 For real? No, that's what I'm like. Yeah, when I come to the gym. My Kobe 60 works too. That's so historic right there. I know, nigga. That's important. I hear you talk about Steph.

Starting point is 00:23:02 I hear you talk about Steph, but I gave that nigga 55. Yeah. You want me to pull it up, son? Yes, you want me to pull that shit up, son? You want me to pull that shit up, son? When kids are in school, that is that. What? Clout.

Starting point is 00:23:16 What? My daddy gave Steph Curry 55. I forget all the kids always use the 60. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I was one of your children, that's how I just introduce myself to everybody. Oh, Steph Curry cool. 55. Like, light Yeah. I mean, if I was one of your children, that's how I just introduced myself to everybody. Oh, you're Steph Curry.

Starting point is 00:23:26 Cool. 55. Like, 55. I'm wearing 55 shirts to school. Dad, can I get another 55 shirt, please? When you see Steph, do you guys joke about that still? Do you take it personal or does he appreciate you for helping him get to the level? No, we don't even talk about it.

Starting point is 00:23:40 Oh, did he just say that? Like, we don't even talk about it. Just like some of his reps, like, you know, people that work with him, Curry Brand, they kind of joke about it. But I mean, we doing a collab. Oh, that's what the collab makes sense now. Where does he feel good? Like, hey, man, that nigga gave me.

Starting point is 00:23:54 He should just throw in like little 55s. He the only motherfucker gave me 55. I got to do a collab. He should secretly like put in some of the gear, like 55s around him. Little pads. Little 55s. That shit, man.

Starting point is 00:24:02 Look at that. Backwards and shit he don't know this year. Yeah. Ooh, shit. And. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that.

Starting point is 00:24:11 Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that.

Starting point is 00:24:19 Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. Look at that. found my social media because I have bikinis on, I'm half naked, all that kind of stuff. But then he realized that his friends really liked me. Like they think I'm the best mom. They're like, your mom smokes weed.

Starting point is 00:24:30 Your mom be on yachts. She knows Gilbert Arenas. Like I'm the best mom ever. Like I'm real cool. And I talk about not being vaccinated and all that kind of stuff. So it's kind of like, I'm like the mom that they all wish they had low-key.

Starting point is 00:24:45 Okay. At that age, it makes sense. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving and shaking. Let's talk a little bit about James Harden. Now, on a show earlier this week, we had said if an international team was going to throw a bag at somebody, James Harden might be one of the guys to actually take it and go. But, you know, Harden rumors are swirling right now.

Starting point is 00:25:03 It's been reported he's torn between re-signing with the Sixers or going back to Houston to join that rebuilding Rocket squad. Another name that was thrown in, kind of unsubstantiated reports, is potentially Phoenix, based on how the CP3 situation pans out and they need a point guard. So is Harden really torn or is he trying to get more money from the Rockets? I mean, the most money he can get is from the Rockets. Right, he's been here what, two years? He's been here what, two years?

Starting point is 00:25:30 I mean so. Wait, you said the Rockets? The Sixers. Oh, the Sixers. But do the Rockets even want him? Are they interested? Have we even found that out? He's been a year and a half in Philly.

Starting point is 00:25:40 He got traded in the middle of last year. Yeah, so. That's a good question. Right, right, have they even shown any interest? Have they said like we're open to it? I feel you got traded in the middle of last year. Yeah, so that's a good question. Right. Have they even shown any interest? Have they said, like, we're open to it? I don't know. If I'm Rockets, no.

Starting point is 00:25:51 What am I getting back? A guy who's going to have a bunch of numbers in my team just suffers for the next four or five years or however long I sign him for. When I have young talent that I'm trying to – like, you've got to think of your talent as Winby. You have a bunch of Winbys on you. I mean mean not winbies, but you have a bunch of young talent. Potential.

Starting point is 00:26:08 Potentials that I can really, if I have a system in, I can really make sure they are elite players. I do not want a James Harden. Everything James Harden brings as a player and a person, I can't afford to have that put into those kids. In the locker room. You don't even know what kind of into those kids. In the locker room. You don't even know what kind of guy you have. Strip club. As a work ethic guy, yes.

Starting point is 00:26:32 Score 60. He's not celebrating. He's in the gym. Now I got to protect. Look at him in the gym, y'all. Don't worry about the strip club shit. It's one of those things where if the guys are just looking at how he prepares for the game, like after games, he'll work out, right?

Starting point is 00:26:49 He is a workaholic. What do you mean by that? Like what's workaholic? What is that? Oh, no. After a game, he'll score 50-60. He don't go home. He goes right into the gym, and he'll work out for two hours.

Starting point is 00:27:00 But then why does he have the baller belly? I'm pretty sure that was a fact, too, because have you ever seen him with his shirt off? But it's levels of, I feel like it's levels of working hard, too. Like, okay, Kobe is a different type of work ethic. Like, you know, you were a different work ethic. Like, you're still thinking about the game. Like, you know, it's, so it's like, it's different levels to me, though.

Starting point is 00:27:21 Yeah, you're working hard. Yeah, you're coming back two hours, but then what are you doing? Like, you know what Kobe's doing. Drinking. You know what the guys. Yeah, you're working hard. Yeah, you're coming back two hours, but then what are you doing? You know what Kobe's doing. Drinking. You know what the guys that are... Partying. You know, doing.

Starting point is 00:27:29 How much of that other stuff impacts... That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, I think that's what it is. Everybody's going to work hard. On your free time, what are you doing? James Harden ain't going nowhere. He's going to stay in Philly, right? He's not the same young guy that he was in Houston.

Starting point is 00:27:45 He don't got that same energy no more. And where he is, is he's established himself to be the number two. He's got a good position where he took them to the playoffs deep. First time for him to go that deep since he was in OKC. So it looks good for him right now. There's no pressure on him.

Starting point is 00:28:00 If he go to Houston, it's too much pressure. Now it's gonna be expected for him to score those 60, all that shit. He ain't got that type of energy no more. That 47 would look like it was tough. That 47 was easy. But it looked tough. He got it tough.

Starting point is 00:28:13 It was all tough for him. He didn't look like he could do that every single night. So with Philly, it's like if he can turn the corner with Embiid and whoever, or Nick Nurse, I think they need another piece. They either go for Dame. They get Dame down there It'll change everything Lot of pressure, you know fans boo Santa historically boo Kobe when he came back through and he's from he's from there So the Rockets can I think offer more money their cap number right now is extremely low just based on what they got

Starting point is 00:28:43 They got a lot of young guys in there I keep it low. And it seems like a situation where Harden, if you did go back to Houston, there'd be less pressure on him because nobody's expected much from this Rocket squad. And he's got the Shea clubs all over. Oh no, the pressure's on, not for him to win, but to perform. He will perform. Entertain.

Starting point is 00:28:59 I don't think he's going to have the energy to. No, man, if you look at his, you don't go from 30, was it 37? Yeah. You don't go from 37 to 24. He did. Because he's trying to, it's like he's, you know when we get into our moods, right? Oh, y'all want me to pass it? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:17 Yeah. That's how he's been playing. Yeah. See how this works. So how he going to turn that off? Seven, would have been five years since he been did that? What happens when the beat was gone? 47.

Starting point is 00:29:26 Yeah. So what I'm saying is he has it. He just pulled it at old shit. Oh, I don't think, Oh, y'all don't think I can pass the ball. All right, let's pass it. Let's see how we win. 19. Oh, 19 is the y'all said average 19 and 10.

Starting point is 00:29:38 He knew that. I don't see us doing nothing. I don't see us doing nothing. And, and, and that's that player ego. Joe, he does. We all have done it. You can see he all done it. You can see us doing nothing. I swear. I don't see us doing nothing. Right, right. And that's that player ego. Joe, he does it.

Starting point is 00:29:46 I swear. We all have done it. You can see he all done it. We all have. We all have. We all have. That's true. You can see him.

Starting point is 00:29:54 That's how he plays. That's why I remember when Flip Saunders, may he rest in peace, told me, we had a meeting. First time a coach ever told me that, he was like, oh, what do I expect from you for this season? for this season. He said, you know, you average about, you're averaging 28, you know, average about 19, 21, 6, 7 assists. I said, okay. But who the fuck is going to score the other eight points that I give?

Starting point is 00:30:22 Like, I don't know if you calculated, are you calculating that in? You're telling me to take a what's-the-name and who's going to get it? Pass more. Right, because I said, what you're saying is, don't go 100%.

Starting point is 00:30:35 Yep. Go like 80%, 75 to take away eight points. So now that means my natural, my natural instinct, I got to dial it down. For the team. But who is going to take on, who's averaging

Starting point is 00:30:53 17 that's going to jump up? I said, all right, you're going to come back to me when we're down, we're 10 games behind 500. I know you to cut it up. You don't know my team. I know my team. We're going to be 10 games behind 500. Tell you to cut it up. I know my, you don't know my team, I know my team, we're going to be 10 games behind 500. Sure enough, 10 games behind 500, and then they came to me and said-

Starting point is 00:31:10 Who was those players he was depending on that was going- He didn't know. He had no idea. He just had an idea of what the fuck he thought. He wanted you to just pass more. But what though? I would never tell, listen, like I have a Westbrook or I have, you can, if you can give me a triple double, you give me a triple double.

Starting point is 00:31:30 Give it to me. Because I have a hard time getting everybody to play hard. So the one guy who can play hard, I'm not going to tell him to dial it down. You go as hard, then I'm going to tell my big man, hey man, the guard is getting 10 rebounds. How? How? He, the guard is getting 10 rebounds. How? How? He better not ever beat you in rebounds.

Starting point is 00:31:48 How? Now I got him going home. Yes. Like, I like you. Hold everybody accountable. Fuck. Everybody plays as hard. You right, bro.

Starting point is 00:31:55 You right. I'm not going to tell, like, if you can give me 30 rebounds, you give me 30 rebounds. I don't give a fuck about the other players. You right. You give me 30. Hey, he's trying to get 30. You better get 10. Man.

Starting point is 00:32:04 So if you're the coach, you're telling Westbrook to go get that triple-double. Give me triple-double. But you're telling the other players, you better not let him get a triple-double. And I used to say that about Westbrook, how he used to play. I'm like, yo, if I'm playing on his team, I'm not mad at him for getting these rebounds and playing as hard as he is. I'm looking at myself like, I need to rebound more. If I want to get some of that, I need to go get that. Because he's getting it all. Like you're telling the player, like this, it was the concept was so stupid.

Starting point is 00:32:31 Like you got players on this team like, man, he just stat chasing rebounds. Then beat him to it. Get it. Go get it. What the fuck are you talking about? Beat him to the rebounds. How hard is that? This is, one, this is just individual shit right here.

Starting point is 00:32:46 Yes, effort. These ain't team rebounds. This is an individual thing, meaning when the ball goes up, there's 10 people that get a chance to get that. I want it more. You're saying he's stat chasing? Then I want a whole bunch of Dennis Robbins. I want it more.

Starting point is 00:33:00 Which means I know there's no second chance points. That's all I'm... There's no second chance points. That's all I'm, there's no second chance points. I wanted more. But that's what I'm saying. But you have people out there, coaches out there, that really think that I'm going to tell him to dial it down because I'm going to give it to this guy. Because we need this guy involved.

Starting point is 00:33:17 That sounds cute. But the reason this guy is dialed up is because he knows this guy can't dial up. Exactly. He got to make up for it. If Kobe knew that his team could play at this level, he wouldn't average 35. He's averaging 35 because he knows he doesn't have anything here.

Starting point is 00:33:33 And when he got Paul Gasol and all these guys, he dialed it down for the actual talent. Absolutely. So last question on Harden. Let's say Sixers or Rockets don't end up getting him, who should be trying to make a run at Harden? Who could use them on their squad right now?

Starting point is 00:33:48 China. Hm? China. I mean, they'll love him over there, but I'm just saying. I think still Philly. I think go back to Philly and figure it out. Like you said, just go back to Philly and figure it out. He has to just stay there.

Starting point is 00:33:59 He has to. Anywhere else though? Miami! Mm. He would be a problem there. You know how much he partying? You know who Pat Riley is? Yeah, but you think he can stop him from partying.

Starting point is 00:34:11 Do you know who Pat Riley is? Yes, I do. That means Pat don't fit basketball wise. Pat had magic. He had magic. He's going to the finals every year. And he had Bron James and D Wade. He's going to the finals every year and he had one of Brian James and D Wade. He's going to the finals every year not Atlanta.

Starting point is 00:34:28 Miami. Yeah. No, I like Philly. I think he's just saying Philly. That's the best chance to win. Yeah, I see. I agree. I agree.

Starting point is 00:34:39 If he can go to Miami buy into that culture and lock in now, you're not gonna have to he got no choice. He got a choice. He doesn't have the style of play for that. He got no choice. Yeah, he has no choice. That's why he wouldn't go there. He doesn't give up the light. He don't give it up. He doesn't fit. I'm going to break. No way. I'm breaking them. There's no way. I don't think he gives up the light. Style of play, you. Style of play. He's not going to change his style of play. His style of play is not pass and cut. No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:35:07 The style of play, I'm not tripping about that. I just don't think he's going to be able to just give up the lifestyle. Not in Miami. Are you crazy? Do you got to be kidding me? Hold on. Hold on. But it does look good though.

Starting point is 00:35:17 But it's just... Do y'all not know who the Heat had some years? They had a Shaquille O'Neal. With James Harden. They had Shaq. They were winning championships. Hold on. No, before they won a championship, they had Shaq.

Starting point is 00:35:26 Okay. And they had Gary Payton. Okay. They had Antoine Walker. They clubbed so much. Yes. They built a barbershop inside the strip club and a basketball court. These are guys who won a championship.

Starting point is 00:35:41 Yes. What I'm saying. They won a championship ring. What I'm saying. No, before they won a championship ring, that's what they did. One year. One year. Then they came back and won.

Starting point is 00:35:50 What I'm saying is when they got there, they was in the strip club so long, they put a barbershop and a basketball court in there so they can get their workout in. He broke them. You're talking about guys that are proven and that won championships. They didn't win championships yet. Shaq had already had three and he won one. Shaq did. Gary Payton didn't have one.

Starting point is 00:36:09 Posey. Okay, Gary Payton was there for what, two years? They didn't have no championship. But Gary Payton was there for what, two years? Yeah! He broke me. That first year, that was wild. Okay.

Starting point is 00:36:20 And then they came back and- We're talking about James Harden though. He is Miami. He's walking Miami. Think about it. His lifestyle is Miami. I just don't think he James Harden though. He is Miami. He's walking Miami. His lifestyle is Miami. I just don't think he can do that. His whole lifestyle is Miami. What I'm saying is think about it. That's a big thing. How long?

Starting point is 00:36:32 Think about what I'm saying. For you as a player to say, I need a barbershop and a basketball court inside this district. How long do you got to be spending hours in there for that to even be a register? That the registering your we're winning but you That one year they didn't win the next year they Were right there They're right here right now Nah

Starting point is 00:37:05 Like I just don't think they go he ruins it. I mean, I like it. I just don't think he can get it. He going to get fined. James Harden. I like the move. I like the move. Pat going to find. Pat going to find. They can keep the same G League roster mentality they have where everybody has a green light

Starting point is 00:37:15 in Miami. Pat Riley is going to find him and break him. Think about him having to move the ball around constantly. James Harden. Everything getting shot. He don't want to become a journeyman, man. Hey, hey. Listen.

Starting point is 00:37:24 Going to team to team to team to team. In Miami, that'd be hard. Give me my A. If he could lock in in Miami. He's going to have, he has no choice. But they building a barbershop in the strip club. Are they getting lab, like that's what fucking line up does. Think about, that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:37:37 Think about how. You get a lab, that's why you get a haircut. That's what's. How wild do you, how wild do you have to be if there's a group that's in the strip club getting haircuts and playing basketball? That means they're sitting there for hours. But I mean, it's smart to me. That's how long you've been.

Starting point is 00:37:53 Gary Payton and Shaq, two Hall of Famers. Yeah. Two Hall of Famers. I should be able to be in the strip club eight hours a day. You've earned that. I don't care about James. Eight hours a day. I've already dealt with the worst of the worst. Come on James

Starting point is 00:38:07 If you can I like to move no, I don't know. I think he's way worse than them. No, let's go to strip club I mean the builder strip You know how long you got a barbershop In a basketball court not at your house At the strip. That means you spending all your free time in the slicking that ass. The strippers rebounded. Look at that ass. Look at that ass. Look at that ass.

Starting point is 00:38:31 Nigga, I'm going to sleep. Just wake up. Hey. I didn't even get a haircut. Who got a haircut at the strip club? It's a lot of ass in Miami, man. Who got a haircut? You ever got a haircut at a strip club?

Starting point is 00:38:40 I got some ass in Miami. No, I got. You ever got a haircut, a line up in the strip club? No. Come on, man. You watching that? He's going to hit line me up. Miami is different, man.

Starting point is 00:38:50 Going to dollar? Miami. Keep James Harden away from there, man. Miami and Philly, I like it. You're tripping, man. Y'all think I'm tripping. Y'all tripping. Keep that man away from here, man.

Starting point is 00:38:59 You guys think him and Jimmy would get along? Yeah. Nope. Jimmy too strong? Mind it. Yeah. And they Jimmy too strong, mind it. Yeah. And they both work hard though. I mean, why did James leave Brooklyn?

Starting point is 00:39:10 Too much bullshit going on. Too much shit going on. Too much shit going on. And Kyrie was bumping it. So he got to agree with what the fuck is going on before he buy into it, because he literally like laid out. But if you Pat Riley and you did want to get hard, you could just say, look, you're 33 years old. I want to get you to that championship level level you could be the difference maker to get us over the top

Starting point is 00:39:28 It was already here, but I need you to lock remember they do fat check every week I get on that check body check so he ain't gonna be able to why would they were where you at? You talk about five hundred thousand type of fines. I ain't going to front. If he do go there, they might get a ring. Because if he buys in- It's going to take him how long? Okay, now you- No, no, no.

Starting point is 00:39:50 If he buys in- How long is it going to take him? Three years? Hell no. No, no. No. I think right when he get there. Right when he get there.

Starting point is 00:39:58 Because he still work- one thing I ain't going to- he does work hard. So James Harden is that type of player where we just plug him in and we win. Straight win. Yeah. So why hasn't it happened? Right. Because he's not in the business. Look at his coaches. I don't want to hear none of that.

Starting point is 00:40:09 Because I feel like the Miami. What are y'all talking about? He's not the guy that you just plug in and you win. Look at his coaches. No, but I just feel like Miami, their system is the structure. I don't think he's going to do it. He's never been in the structure. It's like that structure is like. He's not going to do that.

Starting point is 00:40:21 It's too structured. No. No, it's not. You talking about a player that is out every night. He going to do that. It's too structured. No. No, it's not. No. Huh? You talking about a player that is out every night. He going to keep his ass in the house, though? I'm not talking about the out every night.

Starting point is 00:40:31 You could give up one year. You could give up one year. If he did, if he gave up one year, okay, cool, but I just don't see it. Then he has... Yeah, Tony let you do whatever. Yeah, look at everybody. They just let him do whatever. Scott Brooks, do whatever.

Starting point is 00:40:43 Spro, you're not... Spro's not going to break for him. So he's never been in a situation where he has to be accountable. No, right So what is that is that gonna look like Mega Man James or is that gonna look like I'm in jail James? Look like I'm looking look at look at okay. All right. All right. I'm here now. I'm about to Hey James swing get off the ball James Max swing that what was it max? No, what was it? Max? No, no. Who was it? Vincent? Gabe.

Starting point is 00:41:08 He gets to take the Gabe-Vincent shots? What? What are you talking about? I'm just asking questions, man. Gabe-Vincent shots. And then, remember, Jimmy don't pop off until the fourth quarter. I'm not saying they don't need a player like James. I'm just saying James' style of play, the way he thinks, the way that he plays, he doesn't matter. So the big fan in the chat are saying we don't want him.

Starting point is 00:41:28 No, no, no. Yeah, it doesn't match. They don't want him. They're fans. They're fans. They're not that smart. Yeah, they're not looking at the big picture. Train your eyes. The big picture is James' flaw is he's not disciplined in the fourth quarter. Last five minutes, he's not disciplined. That's his only flaw? Yes.

Starting point is 00:41:44 You carry me for the first three quarters Jimmy Butler has it the rest so you're gonna be the one Jimmy's gonna be the two option in a fourth quarter Jimmy has the ball you're gonna be the spot-up shooter that Jimmy's looking for. Okay, so You give me players for James hard just like just like Kobe and Shaq Sha Shaq, first one through three, you the man. I know Kobe's going to be pissed. In the last five minutes, switch. Now I see what y'all talking about.

Starting point is 00:42:13 I like that, actually. I see it now. See, that was him and Chris Paul. That was the buff with him and Chris Paul. James didn't want to switch in the last five minutes to give Chris Paul, he's older now. So you're saying James, keep James as a first, second, and third quarter player. So Embiid right now, they got the same type of one, two, three punch.

Starting point is 00:42:35 Maxie, Embiid, and Harden, right? So Embiid is doing one through three. No, Embiid is doing one through four. But that wasn't enough. It wasn't enough. He's already shown that he can actually buy in. Yes, up to that system. He should show, now I have someone who's guaranteed the control of game in the fourth. James becomes the spot shooter.

Starting point is 00:42:56 It'll work now. In the fourth. It wouldn't have worked two years ago. Yeah, I like that. It'll work now. That actually looked better. It'll work now. Because you said game.

Starting point is 00:43:03 Because he showed me two years that he can say, all right, cool. I'm not going to take all these wild shots. And I'm not going to be. Like, he's went through fourth quarter where he don't shoot none. But you said about Gabe Vincent, though, like how they allow him to. That's the same. You know, it's the same. Duncan Robert, you allow them to shoot wild shots.

Starting point is 00:43:19 I do it for a guy I know guaranteed can do it. You call those wild shots, though? Like, I feel like Miami moves the ball pretty well. They do. They're wide open. That shot can be taken randomly from guys I don't know who. You don't know them. They all have the ultimate green light.

Starting point is 00:43:32 Yeah. We talked about Harden, but what would a guy like Dame mean to that Heat? Way better to me. Dame a better option than Harden? Yes. Easy. Dame is a better option.

Starting point is 00:43:43 He fits the style and the culture. Yeah, I don't know. So the two for me, I'm like, just a minute. Dame. Yes. And Dame is a better option. Heath is the style and the culture. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. So the two for me, I'm like, Dame is your fit. But Dame's not a free agent. Dame's talking like you're ready to go. He's already talking like he's ready to go. He's banned as his homeboy. There's a difference.

Starting point is 00:43:54 Yeah. Dame is going to require me losing pieces. Harden doesn't require me to lose nothing. What you going to lose though for Miami? Less pieces. Hero in the game? No. you rowing. They don't have a game No, no hero. I'm rolling Duncan Robinson. I'm giving you debt. You're gonna give me a couple pic BAM You don't give me BAM hero and some pics. I don't you know for Dame That's I'm saying you got a scenario already

Starting point is 00:44:20 What I'm saying is if I if I take out to put Dame in am I am I still on a high ride if I keep my same championship team and I add this person it takes me to another place. They would have to make moves either way. No they don't. With cap space I'm saying. I'm Mickey. I'm Mickey. How you to tell me? Hey, I got boats to sell. I got houses to give. I got land to come on. James Harden, what you want? I got Star Island. I want half of Star Island. What you need? So James is up and Dame is not.

Starting point is 00:44:55 Hey, man, listen. Y'all better go look at motherfucking UD portfolio. I guarantee you in that portfolio, he got condos out the wazoo and boats that are named after islands that he probably has. They gonna make it work. Is that it? What? Dame is up and... No, Dame is under contract. James is up. But he wants to be up. James is up. So hypothetically, he wanted to make the money work. Either way, they'd have to move some pieces around to

Starting point is 00:45:23 clear up the place. And then when I get James... Three- trade it'd be a three and when I get James are automatically PJ Tucker to Okay, yeah, I don't really Deal with PJ PJ for experience. Yeah, he gonna antagonize the Miami shit. No, you already been there That means that he know where the fuck to go to not be detained. I get PJ too. I get a two for one. Him and PJ. I get a star.

Starting point is 00:45:51 I get Busta Rhymes and Splits. Yeah, that's what they are. Them niggas go everywhere they go. So we got 7,400 people in the chat. We appreciate y'all rocking with us. As always, the show is presented by Underdog Fantasy. Go ahead, download that app. Use promo code Gills Arena.

Starting point is 00:46:07 They'll match your first deposit up to 100 bucks. Go ahead. We only got a couple more games of these finals left. Maybe only two. We'll see. But go ahead, get your pick-ems in. Try to get a little breath for it in summertime so you can get yourself looking right. Hey, man, listen.

Starting point is 00:46:19 Underdog, listen. Listen. All right., listen. Listen. All right. Just listen. Look, I'm used to being the winner, and right now I'm losing. Listen, you can't shirt.

Starting point is 00:46:33 Listen, I'm losing. Like, you see, look. I won. Listen, I wore the shirt yesterday and everything. All right? Now y'all can just, like, give me, like, some secret pits, right, that, you know know that can help me win You gotta bring Justin in for you already like like just help me come on

Starting point is 00:46:55 Listen y'all need me to win so I can give those pics to the public so the public can win So like y'all should be emailing me or like look I make the pics, right? If y'all think I'm gonna lose change the pics Right. I can tell the public I'm going five and five every day. Man. They can bet. Get this man a ghost picker. You just need a ghost picker. What do you mean a ghost picker?

Starting point is 00:47:13 If anything, you can stop posting my winnings. I'm just saying, what y'all getting my money for? Posting my winnings. Come on. It's like y'all working for free. Oh. Do you tag him? I'm working for free. Oh. Do you tag him? I'm working for free.

Starting point is 00:47:27 Do you tag him? Are they going to get their money back? Oh, that's what y'all do. Y'all out here. Sure. Y'all, I'm working for free. If you're not winning, you're not winning. But do you tag him when you post his wins?

Starting point is 00:47:40 Hell no. I ain't stupid. It's the internet. The fuck I look like? It's the internet. What I'm going to tag him for? Like, yo, these are his pick. No, they might picks All picks that win is mine. So let's we got a little bit talk about a somewhat sensitive subject So Zion Williamson had a wacky Wednesday to say the least

Starting point is 00:48:02 Earlier this week the pelicans forward announced that he was having his first baby with a gender reveal video. Very nice video. Well edited. Good cuts. Jovial mood. Happy. Good cuts. You know, good editing.

Starting point is 00:48:14 Set off a series of unfortunate events after another woman posted several tweets with screen grabs claiming that Zion's been out here multitasking. Gil, you talked about the strip club with the barbershop and the court. Sensitive. That Zion was out here multi, you know, sensitivities are at a very sensitive subject. Not really anybody's business, but Zion is a public figure, and you gentlemen are all part of the NBA fraternity.

Starting point is 00:48:36 So I just wanna know, what advice would you give Zion Williamson just about moving forward, you know, using Snapchat, maybe social media in general, and just how to move. To be honest, I gotta applaud him. No, seriously, he has, what? What are you applauding him for? He got damn side chicks in check, nigga.

Starting point is 00:48:55 No. What are you applauding him for? Listen, he looked in check. He hasn't done nothing wrong. All right, we have Ja Morant, right? No, he ain't did, I didn't say that. Hold on, no, no, no. I agree with you.

Starting point is 00:49:05 I'm agreeing with you. We have John Morant who is in the strip club paying $50,000. Zion has in-house entertainment from his girl. You can't get no better than that. He at home watching TV. He like, babe, come on. Come on, bae. He has entertainment in the crib from his boo.

Starting point is 00:49:33 Yes. And then at the end of the day, he can just pick it up. All right, bae. He ain't got to go to the strip club. He just just. Right there. Just throw it on the floor. Make it clap.

Starting point is 00:49:42 Make it clap. Oh my. Why didn't I think of that? Make it clap. I'm sending my goofy ass. I need them dollars. I'm in love with a stripper. What a guy was that? In-home stripper.

Starting point is 00:49:53 You've got to kill one or two. Oh, my. Come on, Gil. He's protected by the elements of his youth. You don't have to go out no more. Don't have to go out. What do you mean? I don't know.

Starting point is 00:50:04 All the NBA players laughing at the man. When you go to the strip club spending hundreds of thousands, and he has it all in the crib. Just watch it as soon as you get bored. All right, guys. Come here. Everybody shake it for daddy right quick. Come on, man.

Starting point is 00:50:22 Why didn't I think of that? Hey, ladies, ladies, listen. If y'all stripping. If y'all stripping. I'm sick of him. Right? Y'all see I got Ones on deck. Come on to the crib.

Starting point is 00:50:35 I don't got to leave the house. I'm trying to make everything. You ain't going to net. No discrimination. The only problem is he just had another side chick. No discrimination. Listen, he had another girl that was what, a porn star? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:50:46 Actress. One's a star. No, no, that's a porn star. She's a star. Adult actress. No, actress is like that fake stuff. She really. She's like.

Starting point is 00:50:55 Sex worker. No, no, no, no, no, no. There's, listen, listen. There's levels to everything, right? Right? You got amateurs and then you got stars. Right? The one who complains, she's technically like LeBron James of the industry. So he's working with the good stuff.

Starting point is 00:51:13 This ain't no amateur stuff, brother. Top tier. So I can see why she's offended. She's looking at her, hey, I'm a star. In my world, I am here. And you over here messing with these raggedy ass strippers, huh? I can see how she gets offended. You gotta understand the levels of the ladies you're messing with.

Starting point is 00:51:32 That's a fact. One of the tweets, she said she was trying to make him a king like LeBron James. Fuck her feelings, man. But I could admire her trying to elevate Zion to that next go-to level. Listen, we can laugh at the professions, but listen, she is a queen in the world she was in,

Starting point is 00:51:51 so she understands professionalism, right? She understands professionalism, and you can see what she gets offended by. You are endangering me with what you're dealing with. No, it ain't, because it's private. What we do is private. In her world, she has to be tested. Yes, she does. No, it ain't because it's private. What we do is private. In her world, she has to be tested. Everything has to be tested.

Starting point is 00:52:08 No, no, no. What I'm saying is knowing about her. Bitch, shut up. Sit down. Ain't nobody know nothing about me and you until you just open your mouth because you're jealous. No, that's facts.

Starting point is 00:52:19 Shut your ass up. Sit the fuck down. Bitch, you fucking up my bag. No, no, no. Now you don't get paid this month. No, no, no. Now you don't get paid this month. No, no, no. Now you don't get fucking paid this month. Now you keep fucking around, I'm going to take the car back.

Starting point is 00:52:30 No. Yeah, you're right, but technically that stripper done fucked up the bag. How? Getting pregnant. Because there's one that's actually a professional. She understands really the elements. Like, I'm helping you with your diet, fat boy.

Starting point is 00:52:42 I'm helping you with your diet. I got you eating right. I got you. Like, did you see the conversation they had? Oh, yeah. That's some, hey, Zion's pimping. Right here. You ain't know that's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 00:52:52 No, no, he said, hey, how much is going to cost me a month? Like, he calculating everything. And I know 100%, I know 100% at this point, he has regretted his decision because I know She Don't point star. I know I'm pointing past. Okay. I didn't say she right here. So Tiva I pointed right here. She Was a calculated fix. Yes. Mm-hmm that came with responsibilities What you gonna do for me? He already know all the nasty things. Yeah doing all he was in heaven

Starting point is 00:53:25 Yeah, all it keeps her from them streets. Absolutely, right you get a she all the stuff She said I let you do all this this this she's naming it. No one is normal for her, right? She's like right it's luxury You mad you spilling the tea. You're mad. But what I'm saying is I'm mad. This is who you are. I'm mad because you're going outside. This is not stable life.

Starting point is 00:53:52 Yes. So now, because you did that, child support is about to be skyrocketing now because she's going to hit you for numbers. Me, I was a fixed income. He's in the south. I was about $25,000 to $5,000 a month. He's in the south. You're right.

Starting point is 00:54:04 Right? I was about $25,000 to $5,000 a month. You're right. Right, buddy? What I'm saying is I'm $5,000 a month to $2,500, $5,000. Fixed income going to do all the nasty stuff for you. One day, she's going to be breaking your pockets for $30,000, $40,000. 100%. For 18 years. Yo, now he might want to be with her. Cool. But when it's over, huh?

Starting point is 00:54:20 So fixed income versus a variable, right? Because that variable, depending on interest rates, could climb. He's in the South. I remember some chicks was like, yeah, I just need $2,000 a month. The thought of $2,000 a month to have everything I wanted seemed ridiculous. What year was that? Hindsight. Give me that now.

Starting point is 00:54:39 Yeah, hindsight. Give me that now. But inflation, even you throwing dollars out. Girl, is that $2,000 still on the table a month? Yes. Hey, you go over there to Latin America, $200 a month. Yeah. Get you a motherfucker.

Starting point is 00:54:52 Gentlemen, yeah. I'm telling you something right now. No, no, no, no, no. For the whole goddamn year, you're going to be sick. But that was the same thing I was thinking. I was thinking, I can have like 80 of you a month for 2,000. Yes. Eight undisciplined.

Starting point is 00:55:08 Yep. You got to train them. That's the problem. You got to train them. Eight undisciplined becomes more fixed income. Absolutely. So I would have taken, like now that I know, I would have taken the 2,000 that's going to cook, clean. I didn't.

Starting point is 00:55:24 So you need. Zion did the same thing we all do do shit your ass up. I got business I got man business over here 22 I got man shit that I'm doing it, but I'm saying he's young. Hey, but he's young he You there shouldn't be no laughter. Yeah, because a lot of these baby mommas are comrades. Because some of y'all BMs and wives was ex-trippers too. Or comrades. It was the work.

Starting point is 00:55:52 We call it the work. You, the work. Be careful with our language. We are a YouTube series. You, the work. Comrades. I think the world know what the work means. I know people are going to say, oh, y'all just tricking.

Starting point is 00:56:06 Right? I mean, that's a normal word. Trick is a normal word. We work. YouTube. But is it tricking if you got it? Listen, I can tell you right now, you can have a lawyer wife or girlfriend. When you calculate the income that you're spending on this high educated woman,

Starting point is 00:56:24 it's going to be way cheaper than the one who gonna shake for a couple dollars I can tell you that for sure you guys value some terrible things no no no no no no as the only woman sitting here always damn I forgot you was here pretty disgusting but that's what I'm gonna let y'all have y'all conversation, go ahead. Yeah. Rock out. Why it supposed to be a man show? Relax, Rashad. So we can be manly and be disgusting about it. Miko, how do you feel about this? Yeah, how you feel, Miko?

Starting point is 00:56:50 I feel like real men don't hold grudges for a week over a joke that somebody said about their shoes. Okay, but that's not the topic we're talking about right now. What you talking about is I.R., let's see. The topic, this talk. I value the, I would value the woman that's gonna raise my children. And so I don't, I would value the woman that's going to raise my children. And so I don't,

Starting point is 00:57:06 I wouldn't want somebody that I don't feel like, you know, is really responsible, in my opinion, to be having my children. I can see the value in the girl

Starting point is 00:57:16 who was trying to get his diet together, trying to, you know, I can see the value in that. He's 22. I get it. But obviously, he didn't have control

Starting point is 00:57:24 of the situation because if he really had control, there's no way she would've went on that rant. If he was really running shit, she would've brought that to him as opposed to the world. If she really fucked with him, she would've said that to him and maybe they still could've locked in. He could've been like, yeah, this the mother of my child

Starting point is 00:57:39 but you still my bitch, we still gonna lock in. So once she went social media on it, he has no control over her. Who do you pick as the man? What do you mean, between those two girls? I'm gonna keep the porn star probably. Okay, so you, okay. If I had a choice, yeah.

Starting point is 00:57:56 Okay, see, but that's, we see we messed up. She's not trying to get pregnant, she's trying to do her job. But then that's, as men men we mess up right we mess we mess up and you pick the same person that now we're older we will pick too right we're looking at the world like like listen as men we're valuing what other people are thinking about us versus who actually makes us actually happy right and who is actually has our best interest at heart so if zion is walking with the two he's embarrassed for the the the porn star because of everybody knows who she is right

Starting point is 00:58:41 even though that might be making us the happiest versus the one that no one knows, but she's not, right? So when I talk to girls and they say, yeah, you know, I will make you a king. Wrong. You can't make me a king, right? That's impossible. It's not her job. It's logically impossible. It's not even her job.

Starting point is 00:59:01 You can't be a queen and make me a king because that's not actually how kings are made. Kings are made and I can make you a queen. That's literally how it goes. You're a nobody and I can make you a queen in its respect. A queen can't make a king. He would just be the queen's husband, logistically. So when it comes to just as men, our goal should be who makes us the happiest. I don't care how many dudes you messed with. Are you making me happy?

Starting point is 00:59:35 Genuinely happy? You're doing things that I really hate. You can have sex with 100 men and then you pick me and I'm the happiest man on earth versus you are a virgin and you're making my life a living hell And oh, I got I got four degrees. How the fuck is those four degrees helping me smile at night Those four degrees is come with fucking headache Why are you not being honest? I am I just was honest. I'm saying Zion Pays them to do what they do and shut the fuck and leave

Starting point is 01:00:04 Silence. Yeah leave. Silence. Yeah. Cool. Silence. We don't need no rela- ain't no relationship. I don't think neither one of the girls is good for you. Yeah, ain't no relationship, though. They ain't here to smash and shh.

Starting point is 01:00:14 I feel like with a woman, you gotta be compatible. They both were shh. They both were shh until shit went south. Yes. So the stripper looks like the winner right now until it's time for him to mess with another girl Yeah, and then child support, but we not supposed to know nothing about neither one of them. That's right point. My point is shut up yo, but

Starting point is 01:00:34 Horse That was my whole point but I can see why one would get mad is because this is all I brung for you and you chose that. What are you drinking? But if you really fucking with him, you don't have to do that. I got ten more. I ain't even played a game yet. I got ten more. What diet are you talking about?

Starting point is 01:00:52 That's what we think. We think that's how we think. That young man. We think that until we make the mistake. How many had you? How many you had on the road? On the road? Oh, I was him.

Starting point is 01:01:00 Listen, we all had them on the road. We move them around. We bring them in. We end up picking the wrong one. But we only picked the wrong one. We all had them on the road. We all had them on the road. We all had them on the road the road all of him So we all listen we all had them on the road and we all we move them around and we end up bringing them in and we End up picking the wrong one, but we only pick the ones closest to us. We don't really Import it in we pick the one that's like are you around anyone? That's the one that fuck the fucked up one Yeah, we're picking the fuck that one cuz they quiet they do this and now you gotta you know what I'm saying

Starting point is 01:01:23 I'm hitting in child support court You sitting child support court 55,000 wish I would have took damn two thousand a month. All right, so listen ladies ladies that that love You don't need to cook I don't need a cook I don't need a cleaner What you need? Shake that thing. Shake it, shake it. All right. I need a wife, girl. I need a wife, girl.

Starting point is 01:01:50 I need a wife that can shake that. You need a wife, girl. That can shake that. Say it for them in the back, man. A wife that you can be compatible with. Compatible with me is watching the game, and then you walk by, give a little shake and I'm like, ah.

Starting point is 01:02:06 Yeah. Yeah. You asking me 400 questions, I'm like- Emotional intelligence, Gil. I'm sitting here trying to watch the game and you asking me questions? They want you to be tapped into your emotions. What I'm saying is- But a people should know how you are.

Starting point is 01:02:22 Compatible with you, they got to know who you are. So I know who I am. But you. They got to know who you are. So I know who I am But you guys gotta be willing to grow together to like I don't You shake your ass for a living and you make me happy. We're gonna be in a club like what's Do the thing You want everybody see you I don't Say this is why yeah am. You listen. This is who I am. My listen, I'm secure with my confidence. There you go.

Starting point is 01:02:48 So I don't like, my girl want to wear whatever she want, I'm secure. No, that's, yeah, but you want some girl shaking ass like how she do at the house in public? He's secure. Do the trick. Do the spin trick. And I'm going to be there with a hundred like, yo, yo, yo.

Starting point is 01:02:59 Y'all ain't got nothing on that. Y'all ain't got nothing on that. Y'all ain't got nothing on my bank. Y'all ain't got nothing on my bank. Y'all ain't got nothing on my bank. I'mall ain't got nothing on my bank. Y'all ain't got nothing on my bank. I'm with you. I'm with you, Gil. Relax! I'm with you, Gil.

Starting point is 01:03:12 Let's keep this thing moving. Put it in the investment fund. I gotta throw the dollars. Yes, let's keep this thing moving. He's looking to pocket the dollars. If that's who I'm happy with, if that's who makes me happy, the outside world don't make me happy.

Starting point is 01:03:29 The outside world is not going to make me look at my, I know who I picked. You're not going to make me feel like a loser. You don't ever want to have a conversation with your girl? Yes. About the new trick she learned at the Goddamn Foot Club! Babe, I did this nasty trick for you tonight. Listen, there's the idea. I'm sorry. Here.

Starting point is 01:03:52 I'm sorry. Does your woman have to believe in God? This might be some man stuff. This might be some sexist stuff. There's women that really think that they need to be best friends with their man. No. I understand that. That sounds cute. No, I didn't know about that. But if you need to be best friends with their man. No. I understand that.

Starting point is 01:04:06 That sounds cute. No, it ain't that cute. But if you want to know most of the things that go through our head, I'm pretty sure you don't want to be best friends with us. You don't want to hear it. It's not about being best friends. It's about just being able to be intellectually compatible. You know what I mean? Have you?

Starting point is 01:04:18 Like, you have children. Have you talked to a man? You have children, right? Have you talked to a man? Yes. Yes. Are we really deep thinkers like that? That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 01:04:26 You're in this phase of your life where all you're caring about is a shaking ass. At some point, you're gonna get to an age where you're actually gonna wanna have a conversation with him, you're gonna want her to be a little bit intelligent. She's gonna be around your children, is she? Intelligent?

Starting point is 01:04:41 Is she going to be around your children? How does intelligence make me happy? Yes, Gil, talk about it. Talk about it. What makes me happy? She might have a plate for you. No, no. Like a chick that knows how to roll a blunt,

Starting point is 01:04:57 that's intelligent. No, it's not. No, it's not. It's intelligent to a blunt roller. Someone who smokes weed. No, it's not random. No, it's not random. No, it's not. It's value. It's intelligence. It intelligence to a blunt roller. Someone who smokes weed. Man, rolling blunt is, instead of shaking ass, it's a skill.

Starting point is 01:05:11 You think that's a skill? You could do both. That's a skill for someone who smokes weed. I don't smoke weed, so that talent is meaningless. Your talent of rolling blunts has no impact on my life. You sitting there rolling the blunt for my whole life. I have a question for you. I have a question for you now. The talent of rolling blunts has no impact on my life. You sitting there rolling the blunts for my homies. I have a question for you.

Starting point is 01:05:25 I have a question for you now. So if she's a great ass shaker, does she have to be good in bed? Because those don't come together. Just because somebody shake ass does not mean she's good in bed. Facts. No, she has to be.

Starting point is 01:05:36 That's the rules in the package. That's a part of the package. What, you roll blunts but not good in bed? How does that help? Shit, shit, shit. You sit there rolling blunts, you a. You got to choose one though, B. You got to choose one. The girl who rolling the blunts is good in bed for sure. She came up. She's trying. Shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit We're doing the same thing. We have values. It's about what you value right now in your life. You got an exception.

Starting point is 01:06:07 I don't think you'd want her raising, being around your kids. I just don't. Well, men don't pick. Wait, wait, hold on. First of all, men don't pick women to raise their kids. You didn't say raise them. I said around them.

Starting point is 01:06:20 I don't need my girl. This is for me. My girl is for me. So she don't live with you? I don't care what my. This is for me. Me. My girl is for me. So she don't live with you. I don't care what my kids think about my kids. We don't like you. Does she live with you? You about to be out of the house, going to college, finding your own little traps.

Starting point is 01:06:36 Let me, me and my little trap, we good. You have no idea. Steve Harvey said it. I don't care what y'all think about my, this me and her. You don't have any idea how the woman that you bring around your kids can influence them in a negative or a positive way. They got a mother, trust me. And on that note, on that note.

Starting point is 01:06:53 I'm not touching that, I'm not touching that. Hey Zyar, on that note. That was a Zyar response right there too. I'm gonna tell you this Zyar. I'm not touching that. You doing the smart way. You got everything that you dream of in-house Right, and then if you want to show us some of the videos the other one is doing

Starting point is 01:07:25 We're moving on to a less problematic segment. Thank you. Let's go somewhere else. Zion's former AAU teammate John Moran has also been dominating headlines. Here we go. 50,000 in the club got in trouble. John's team is claiming that the gun he was seen holding on his friend's IG Live was actually a toy gun. Genius. I think somebody on this show may have suggested that.

Starting point is 01:07:40 Genius. You need to become a player lawyer. I told y'all that was a prop gun, man. Genius. He ain't gonna be rolling around with stuff like that. He is a icon. Better call Gil. Better call Gil.

Starting point is 01:07:52 He's an icon to the community and he does not roll around with things like that. So one person who don't give a fuck if it was a toy or not, NBA commissioner Adam Silver, he appeared on a Dan Patrick show today to address the toy gun claims. He said the following. It's something that I'm thinking a lot about because, again, I'm not going to get into specifics about the investigation, but in fact, if you're live streaming something to the world that looks exactly like a gun and in a frankly reckless manner, should it matter whether it's a gun or not? So, start with you, Gil.

Starting point is 01:08:21 Does Joss' team saying it was a toy gun make this situation better or worse? To the who? The public? For him. It Either way, I mean it doesn't really matter Right. The reason I say it doesn't matter because this is not something like he got pulled over for, right? This is something that there was no, okay, let me film you and you sitting there doing this. This was something he's doing and the camera caught it. Now you have to do all this looking to look at it, right? Which means it's a toy. Now you want to use, if I gave you a toy, you did all your investigation, right?

Starting point is 01:09:09 Which I don't even know why the NBA wastes everyone time. You're investigating what? If it was a gun or not, how are you going to get the answers? You got to talk to him, right? Right. It's not like he got pulled over and there was a cop involved and they took something. You got to call him two days after or a day after and say, hey, there's no evidence. What are you doing?

Starting point is 01:09:27 Oh, it's a toy gun. You have no leverage. So at the end of the day, all they're going to do is say, well, it appeared to be what we think was a gun, so we're going to suspend you. And then they're going to make up language that has nothing to do with weapons. It has nothing to do with weapons.

Starting point is 01:09:44 There's going to be language that displays some type of something, and they're going to try to give him 20, 30 games. Can I say something? Mm-hmm. This is going to fuck up the whole legal system. You know why? Because now that he has a video of him doing something that they suspect to be, you know, against the grain,

Starting point is 01:10:04 imagine how many videos they can pull up now, like he was doing with Kwame. Stretch like a video and stretch something and be like, look what's in the video. Look at that, he had some cocaine on the dresser. He had some something, like anything now can be maximized. So if they take this and do something with it, just because he was in the video and it was a prop gun,

Starting point is 01:10:24 fake gun, whatever, any video from this point forward with any athlete in it can be used against him for anything at this point. Because even if there's white substance on the table, how can you prove it's that? That's what I'm saying. If they do something to him, they're going to be able to do something to everybody. No, what I'm saying is they're not going to suspend him for gun. That is not going to be the suspension because they can't prove that it was or if it's real. They can't prove that.

Starting point is 01:10:52 They can't suspend him. I don't think they can suspend him, period. No, so they're going to suspend him for behavior issues of moral conducting. It's going to be something just... Whatever they suspend him for, they made it up today. But if you're a lawyer and you hear this shit, you're going to eat them alive because they, one, don't got evidence, two, you're making up something on the fly, and then three, it's like you're putting everyone in the future in jeopardy for having someone present some

Starting point is 01:11:23 fucking video that's like, oh look, he got brain cancer. But here's the point, Tennessee, open carry, permanent stay. It's not a gun, so we don't care. I'm just hypothetically wondering. Well, who the hell runs around with a fake ass gun? Huh? John Moran. We just did a video.

Starting point is 01:11:38 Well, that's corny. Well, now he's corny now. You're rolling around with that fake ass gun. I'll be corny. Nah, I'm trying to save face, man. I'll be corny and I'm trying to save face man Hey, I'll be that shit is that shit is corny as well. What I'm saying is I read with boys didn't lose 40 We're not cool. Yes, you playing with toys Yes, cuz if I say yes, if I say yes, if I say no, it was real that's 40 million. It was toy All right, I mean, that's fine. What I'm 20 with 40 million in my pocket So that's what we do

Starting point is 01:12:06 We know we not doing that. We do it if that's what he's saying he doing What they try to be real, okay, well don't try to be real But what I'm saying is it's the just like I'd be real just like they did with me, right? All they're gonna do is say hey, this is what we're going to suspend you for, and you can't fight it. Or we are the NBA. You're never going to make an All-Star team. You're never going to make an All-NBA team. So take the 20 games, or you're going to take all this other shit that's never going to come to you again. As a player, you're going to be like, all right, take the 20 games or you're going to take all this other shit that's never going to come to you again.

Starting point is 01:12:45 As a player, you're going to be like, all right, take the 20 games. People think it's a democracy. The NBA is a private organization. They can move how they like for the most part. I'm just saying that. So just claim the shores. Nah. In the real world, yeah, he could be able to circumvent a lot of this shit.

Starting point is 01:12:58 But Gil, like you're saying, they're not even going to get you for the gun. And even Adam Silver making that comment, former lawyer, like, no, it don't matter if it's real or not. It's the image that you're projecting out. No, because that does matter as a lawful citizen. Like, you're not going to penalize me in no way, shape, or form for what you think is conducive or conductive. Like, if that was a part of the agreement in the NBA

Starting point is 01:13:21 that my behavior is going to be dictated and I'm going to lose part of my contract based on these things, these parameters. If you're not listing out these things and I didn't infraction on them, y'all ain't got shit. I'm chilling. No, but I'm saying there's, okay, like detrimental to the team, right? Conduct detrimental to the team.

Starting point is 01:13:43 When the team is not formed, or we're not even... You know what I'm saying? What is it? Anything. Literally anything. Anything I see. Or they say it. Oh, you loud. That's detrimental. That's detrimental. For real, bro. You know what?

Starting point is 01:13:59 You can't come back until I think you're mentally ready to play. Calm down. Calm down. I ain't mad. No ready to play calm down right calm down. I'm at When you're talking about Mitch anything bro anything that's that's throwing a mouthpiece Oh Too aggressive Hold you in That's your mental. Too aggressive. He's being too aggressive. Yo, I'm going to hold you indefinitely until I figure it. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Starting point is 01:14:27 But that's all it is. It's not a real thing. When it comes to mental, there's no bearing because it's that conversation with you, and then at the end of the year, you never had a conversation with me to figure out if I'm ready. Right. Ah, yeah. And he ain't being diagnosed through no motherfucking therapist or psychologist.

Starting point is 01:14:43 But I'm not saying the conversation is is this is what's going to happen. You're going to miss 20 games or 30 games. Right. If you fight it, this is the road that's going to happen for you. If you don't fight it, you can be back to the star you were supposed to be. That's cool. Pick. I'm going to tell you what I pick.

Starting point is 01:15:02 I went to Miami. Enjoy my goddamn vacation. You said 50K? 50? All right. I'll see y'all next year. I'll see you next year. That was 48 more games than they could have given me.

Starting point is 01:15:21 But it was I'm gonna take your contract. Or I'm gonna take your contract. Or I'm gonna take your contract. All right. take your or I'm gonna take your contract hey Adam so good people man that's why there's no reason even come out say was a fake gun he probably this is just get your 20 30 games and leave it alone I think it was this is more for like the public you think they're upset that he did it and maybe going to punish him more even for trying to play with him like that? That's what I'm saying. I'm just claiming it's mine.

Starting point is 01:15:50 I'm going to open Kerry State. What I'm saying is it might be part of all of it. It is. Because what is the point of talking about Ja Morant right now anyway? That's what I'm saying. So what was the point of it? Well, Ja put it out saying it was a fake gun. No, Adam mentioned it first.

Starting point is 01:16:07 But how did he? He got asked a question on the K-12 team, yeah. Silver got asked a question first. Yeah, so Adam Silver got asked a question. He put it out. And then Ja did the response. And then. Oh, yeah.

Starting point is 01:16:19 So what I'm saying is there's no point of using his name right now anyway. Or because you're in the middle of the finals, you can throw it in to this now. Get it mixed in because you know once the NBA finals is over with, it's a dead spot. This dead period, anything with Ja is going to be magnified. So you would rather try to get it right now as soon as the NBA finals is over with. Try to throw it in there. Oh, he's suspended for 20 games. And then let the NBA Championship and all that and

Starting point is 01:16:47 the FIBA. Watch it out. I think you get it out. NBA Draft and let it just throw it in the middle of that and you're good. Right after parade, into that window before draft, announce it, gear up everything towards draft that's going to dominate people's conversation to win. Then you got Summer League, people are going to forget. There's going to be some things.

Starting point is 01:17:04 You just throw it in the middle of it Yeah, so if John don't do this stupid shit We don't even be having this as a metric for them having this in the in the death by they just looking for something at this Point cuz he fucked up. They would announce it. They were gonna announce it No, I'm saying if he don't do this shit at all, like we not dealing with the gun shit at all We're not even having a conversation about gonna be in and you be in the, you know, whatever it's going to be. There's going to be something. Like, yesterday we had, like, 13 things drop.

Starting point is 01:17:29 And my head starts spinning trying to figure out, you know. There's a lot of shit we're not even covering on this show. But one thing, you know, I know if Mike Malone's watching this show out there, he's out there in Miami in the hotel. He's going to appreciate it. Now we're talking NBA finals. We finally have got here. We got some finals talk for y'all Nuggets fans.

Starting point is 01:17:44 So, game three last night, Joker Jamal Murray became the first teammates Talking NBA finals. We finally have got here. We got some finals talk for y'all Nuggets fans. Game three last night, Joker and Jamal Murray became the first teammates to both drop triple doubles in the same NBA finals game. Duo combined for it. This is crazy. 66 points, 31 rebounds, 20 assists. Shot nearly 56% from the field and 50% from three. We got some game action highlights. Ooh.

Starting point is 01:18:08 Joker's touch,. Why didn't he full rotate there man? I mean you got Kayla Martin on Joker. You got who's that bam on Jamal Murray. That's a hello. Hustle play. That was a big moment in the game, too, right there. That putback. That was huge, too.

Starting point is 01:18:32 Ooh! No, it was a 16. Lighter shade of brown. Ooh. Joker. So they did their thing. Joker also dropped his third 30-20-10 game in the playoffs. He had one last year, two this season. Most in NBA history. So after the game, Jokic reflected on his record-setting performance.

Starting point is 01:18:56 When you have a line that's never been accomplished before in finals history, what do you think of that? To be honest, I just think it's a win, you know, because if you lose, nobody's going to even mention it. I mean, to be honest, I don't care. It's just a stat. Just a stat. I love it. So European. So European. We don't get the win, nobody cares.

Starting point is 01:19:23 Yeah, it's just a stat. We got the win. Nobody cares. Yeah. We don't even. It's just a stat. We got the win. I'm one step closer to my ring. I think that's the problem. That's the problem with the American media and the European players. They've been professional so long that when they're coming here, it's just to play the game. They don't give two fucks about the history, the labels, none of it.

Starting point is 01:19:55 Whatever they get is just trophies to them. It's just whatever. I don't care about your American shit, which is the problem because they're trying to give them awards that they're trying to give them awards that they're like, man, MVP already got 12. I don't give a shit about it. I don't give a shit about it. What does he need for, he needs me to play a little bit less so he can get it. Okay. And that's, that's how they're actually moving. You're saying that's a problem?

Starting point is 01:20:18 For America. They want to know in the back what accent you were doing with it. Oh, it's a, what I'm saying is a problem. what accent you were doing with it. Wimby? Is it Wimby? We don't know. What I'm saying is a problem. What do you mean by a problem? Because they can't, they don't have a star. He is a star. He don't, no, he doesn't want to.

Starting point is 01:20:34 He don't even want to be a leader to the team. It's okay. I think that you can lead without wanting to be the star. Then how do you mark, this is the NBA. This is a business. And I have guys who do not, like, I want to be able to say you are. And they're like, hey. It's bigger than that, though, Gil.

Starting point is 01:20:54 It's bigger than that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's way bigger than, like, I see. I'm with you. It's bigger than that, though. It's like, when you talk about NBA scoring leader, you talk about rebounds, assists, all the stats that we look at when we grew up, we like, look, we're going to be passing, we're going to be scoring, we're going to be rebounding, blocking shots, all of that, right?

Starting point is 01:21:12 You talk about the history of the NBA. When you talk about who holds those titles, why we look at Charles Barkley the way we look at him, Dennis Rodman, they were rebounding menaces, right? As a historian of the game, you look at these guys as greats. So you're saying the Europeans come here and they're not looking at them as greats because stats aren't as respected to them as it is to us. So when he surpasses certain milestones, it's not a big deal because they didn't want you here for it.

Starting point is 01:21:40 But we got guys who are chasing that shit that we're like, we are crucifying them for chasing that shit because it's like, why don't you just play the game? Why don't you just play the game for the hell? How do I play the game to win? Right. But as Americans, we're chasing not only the legacy of the history of the game, but we're also chasing our own individual greatness. So when you got a player who just like, man, you know what? We're just going to win. This is what we talk about in barbershops. This is the debates, the discussion.

Starting point is 01:22:08 The GOAT debate that still rages on. I mean, literally opened up Twitter right now and LeBron, MJ, and Kobe fans have been going at each other ever since the Lakers lost in the least amount of games required for the Nuggets to advance to the finals about just trying to dethrone each other's legacy or whatever. I got to imagine when Joker's back in Serbia at the barbershop, they're not talking about who's the GOAT. They're talking about their own league.

Starting point is 01:22:29 But Jimmy got the same type of energy. You're not understanding you're a business. My business is ran on stars. My business is ran on personality. So what happens is if a guy wins a back-to-back MVP

Starting point is 01:22:45 and he's in Serbia, how the fuck do I sell that product? That's the league problem. I'm the league. Yeah. I have to sell Kobe Bryant. You have plenty of others. Who?

Starting point is 01:22:56 Choose them. How? There's plenty of other players. Luka's gone. Luka. Greek is gone. This guy is gone. My other guy's in jail.

Starting point is 01:23:03 The other one's making stripper babies. How the fuck do I sell my NBA when the three guys I need are not even in this country anymore? But the funny thing about it is the NBA wanted to be global from the beginning. That's the only reason that it is. It might go over here. TV deals. These billion dollar TV deals are not in no fucking Serbia. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:23:22 That's a great point. They're here. But here, China, there's places where you want to go. That's a great point. They're here. But here, China, there's places where you want. No, but he's talking about the expansion. Where's my China player then? The expansion of the NBA

Starting point is 01:23:29 has expanded, but those are not core major markets. I understand that. You think the Lakers TV deal has anything to do with overseas? No.

Starting point is 01:23:37 No. So if I have a star player in Jokic breaking all of these records and his interview is 30 seconds, right? No, yeah. He's like, I'm not interested.

Starting point is 01:23:47 I want to go home. I'm this and that and this. How am I selling this? You can't. You already sold it with the game. I'm not. The game is selling. I'm not.

Starting point is 01:23:55 At the end of the day, I just feel like your appearance, players, like you said, they've been professionals. They've been winning. They're professionals. And they've been winning over there professionally. Like, you don't understand. Like, when they win championships over there, it's like the whole city is, like, their whole country. Over there. Exactly., you don't understand. Like, when they win championships over there, it's like the whole city is... Like, their whole country.

Starting point is 01:24:05 Over there. So it's like... Exactly. Over there. When there, players win, it's everything. Yes.

Starting point is 01:24:11 They're over here. Okay. You probably are. So those guys are winning. You expanded the league on purpose. You got these international players here for you.

Starting point is 01:24:19 We talked about the Lakers in Boston being better for the finals than a Denver Heat. Yes. This was the alternative conversation. For viewership. For viewership.

Starting point is 01:24:28 The reason why is because it's the organization. Global brands. Right. And the Joker in Denver, Miami would be boring basketball. It was like, man, that's just going to be boring. I ain't going to tune into this shit. So like he's saying, how can you sell Joker in Serbia and all these other markets when we're already going against the fact that it's already a boring game, it's already going to be lower viewership.

Starting point is 01:24:48 You can't sell it. Listen, I don't need y'all. Thank you for what y'all do for the game. I don't need y'all. I'm going to go back home. I'm good. I got my whole country. And that's what you're doing.

Starting point is 01:24:57 You're saying everything I'm saying. And that's the same thing we do when we go over there, we win, right? Exactly. And then we come back. Okay. We're not playing in the league over there. You don't give a fuck about growing the game in Italy, right? I'm getting my bag. Get ready to go back. Thank you And then we come back. Okay. We're not playing in the league over there. You don't give a fuck about growing the game in Italy, right?

Starting point is 01:25:06 I'm getting my bag. Get ready to go back. Thank you. Whether we win it or not. Same exact thing. So what's the problem? As the player standpoint. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:25:14 That's who I am. You just said, I'm over Serbia. They win a championship. The whole country is gone. That's your job as an NBA to figure out who you want to uplift and continue to grow your brand with. When he's in his own country and he wins for his country, the whole country's moving.

Starting point is 01:25:29 He's in America. When he wins, this country's not moving because he's not from here. Why do you think that? The NBA is already a global brand. How much more do you need to move it? It's already lit. Outside of football,

Starting point is 01:25:42 what else is bigger in this country than basketball? But think about football, though. American, when I go over... Y'all not seeing the conversation. If I'm an American and I go to Serbia and I'm the best player and I win a championship over there and I leave, you see how it doesn't move? I'm gone. The star player who's not from here went back to his country to have fun. Right? So the star players, these record-breaking guys,

Starting point is 01:26:07 the American market can't sell it because they don't want to be. What are you selling? What do you want to see? The two-time MVP. The Michael Jordan. The Larry Bird. I'm trying to sell my game to my American audience. It is being sold as you can.

Starting point is 01:26:25 Yes, it is. It ain't being maximized. What are you talking? It's not being maximized. How much more do you need? It's not being maximized. It's not being maximized. We're saying the same thing, but you're agreeing with it over there,

Starting point is 01:26:35 but you're not understanding it over here. Can I clarify? Because it's like, when you talk about his response to that question, it was, uh, uh. Okay, just like if I go to China and win it. But we not going to China win it though. We're not this is the NBA This is the top tier NBA and he's shrugging it off like huh? This week or these are records about your these are records. You just broke. I'm not from America. So I really Right. Yes, you put your product on

Starting point is 01:27:03 Players that's here. Yes. What if you put it on Joker and he spends half his. Your business, right? Yes. You put your product on players that's here. What if you put it on Joker and he spends half his time in Serbia? That means I'm going to get everything in Serbia. If he's winning in Serbia, everybody's going to start buying it in Serbia. But you don't have a market for your- But your market is not in Serbia right now, so it doesn't matter. It's still red. It's not.

Starting point is 01:27:22 It's a smaller market. It's adding to your bag. No, you're losing. It's still red. It's not. It's a smaller market. It's a smaller market. It's adding to your bag. No, you're losing. You're going into the red because Serbia is not as big as America. You're still getting up and getting the market. It's a smaller market.

Starting point is 01:27:31 You're not getting the market. No, the reason we want Joker as our brand is because we have a big market to buy from here. If I'm in America and I have a brand in America and I'm sponsoring Joker and Joker's going to his country in the summertime. That's a win. That's a win for the movie.

Starting point is 01:27:44 But he's saying he's not here. You're not seeing him. You in a summer time. That's a win. That's so You're not doing nothing here though, he's not gonna Not he's in Serbia. He's not doing anything for your brain doing nothing for you He's not doing anything for your brand. So Joker don't have Instagram. No. No, he does not have Instagram. What is right? Right. I'm just saying that he don't have a. Your point is right, right? I'm just saying, like, he's not maximizing America's market. He's only maximizing your market. So he's not maximizing your market. But Tough Crowd is big. So even if somebody take a picture of him in Serbia with it on,

Starting point is 01:28:15 they're going to send it to me. It's adding to your market, though. It's adding. It's adding. What I'm saying is the main base is here. Yes. So my best player didn't have a house here in Denver. So?

Starting point is 01:28:28 He don't have a house here, which means he doesn't plan on doing nothing here. I play basketball, and then I get the fuck out of here. So now I have my best player in the world as the NBA, America NBA. I can't actually monetize and maximize. He's going to break all my American records. I need to understand something. Do you not think that historically, you don't think that players should respect the fact

Starting point is 01:28:54 that there are milestones that you break and that is exciting for all players? I'm just asking. We don't even have a European player in the top five. So why would I even give a fuck? I can't even sell this. As an NBA player. I can't sell this because you're breaking into the mold.

Starting point is 01:29:10 You're breaking the record. We don't really fuck with European players like that I feel like. We do. Dirt. We fuck with everybody. Where's the top five European player? No, no, no. So why would I give a fuck?

Starting point is 01:29:20 Because you're going to be top five. We as Americans don't what? We don't really respect European players like that. We don't respect European players. Now't really respect European play. We don't respect your one players now Think about which is that we don't respect it now There's not even a smile if they're now if they're one two, three, four five Right, and we don't give a shit. That means our we're promoting six seven eight, right? So we don't have the Michael Jordan. We don't have We do not have Kobe Bryant

Starting point is 01:29:48 I have a very Maybe it sounds stupid, but what are you Let's say Joker wins The championship. He wins the MVP He's excited. He's won his first MVP. He's won his first finals MVP. He goes home What is it that you're marketing? What is it that you need?

Starting point is 01:30:04 I'm not marketing nothing Let's say he does have a house in Denver. What happens after June 18th and he wins if it goes seven? What are you doing? What, what? Is he obligated to do something for the NBA? No. No! So what does it matter? Because they can't sell it. Yes they can if he lived here. How the fuck am I selling a player who doesn't live here? No, well I'm asking you. What if Kobe lived in Italy? I'm asking you, if Joker was here, what does he have to do contractually? It's not have to do nothing. So then it doesn't matter.

Starting point is 01:30:30 I am an NBA product. So it doesn't matter. I don't give a fuck what McDonald's is doing in fucking China. Then it doesn't matter. Have you seen the China number? No. No one gives a fuck. But what is he obligated and contractually forced to do?

Starting point is 01:30:45 Well, you're talking about... I am the... Dear, I'm not talking about what someone's contractually supposed to do. I'm asking you, what is it you're marketing? I am a business. What can't you market? My business is making my NBA as popular as possible.

Starting point is 01:30:59 So why can't you do that? So I need the best product available. You have that. Available for what? For me to use it. In what way? To grow the game. In what way?

Starting point is 01:31:09 The reason we grew our game to them is we took our best product, Michael Jordan, this and that, and we put it over there, increased the game. We don't give a fuck about these guys coming here. We have our own entity. If they want to come here and Jokers, all Serbians watching it, great, it's good for our radio. Why do you need a house here? It's good for our radio. Why do you have to come here and jokers all Serbians watching it, great. It's good for our ratings.

Starting point is 01:31:26 Why do you need a house here? It's good for our ratings. Why do you have to live? It's good. Listen, it's good for our ratings to have other people play, but I still need

Starting point is 01:31:34 my own product. Yes. You know weed, right? To do what you want. You know weed. I know weed. If I'm a weed grower that doesn't have

Starting point is 01:31:42 my own facility with the best product and you're giving me, I can white label all day. I can white label but I still need my own structure. Now my own structure, my own structure right now. Stripper

Starting point is 01:31:58 pregnant, not playing. My new face of the NBA, stripper not playing. Gun charge. The two faces that I needed are down. And the three faces that are up I can't even use.

Starting point is 01:32:13 Your third option don't give a fuck because he My first two options are not here. Everybody else in front of them I can sell the shit out of Ja Morant even if Joker sells. Even if he can literally, I can literally do anything with Ja and overtake NBA finals. Because that's how powerful it is. If Ja was to break that type of record, there would have been a lot more enthusiasm.

Starting point is 01:32:40 And just, no, no, it ain't about care. It's the history for the brand. You're a person. I'm talking about the brand. Because the kids are watching it now, they're like, look at how Jha, look, the kids are looking at Jha's response, right? Jha's response

Starting point is 01:32:57 to a breaking of 30-20, his response to breaking that record is going to inspire that next kid to be like, yo, I want to break Ja's record. Is the issue the international component, which I think is a part of it, but it's also you have three big men, right, that are one, two, three, and MVP voting. Nobody on this couch owns a pair of Jokers. Nobody on this couch owns a pair of MBs.

Starting point is 01:33:17 Or a Joker jersey. Giannis is moving a little bit of shoes, but historically, big men are not selling shoes at the level of Gar. So is the issue that, or is the issue that you look at job with this whole shit that went down, shoe sold out three, four minutes. And I still feel like Joker's here. You still can't market them. We can't market bigs like that.

Starting point is 01:33:34 All these guys, but I know one thing, but I mean, come on. I mean, sack is more than just, I mean, come on, man. Sack is a different type of rapper, movie. We have, movie... He's here for that. He's here for that. We have Wimby coming, but it's going to be interesting to see with all the hype... Can they even speak English like that? Thank you!

Starting point is 01:33:51 ...in the movie units. You can't even speak English! Okay, so why... So why are you here? You're supposed to sell to my market. So why are you caring then? Why is it a big deal? Okay, but then don't draft them then.

Starting point is 01:34:00 Why is it this? Don't bring them over here. But look, it's a big deal because it's our business. They're thinking that's fan. It's our business, yo. Don't bring them over here. Look, it's a big deal because it's our business. They're thinking that's fancy. It's our business, yo. It matters because it's business. I don't think these billionaires are thinking about that.

Starting point is 01:34:12 It's pointless, right? It's the Little Mermaid, right? The Little Mermaid is doing great. How's it doing over there? I don't know. I wouldn't care. I literally wouldn't care. Yes, you should care.

Starting point is 01:34:21 Why? Why? Why would I care? If it was your project, you would care. You would not. You would push the door. I'm trying to make you the owner so you can actually see something. Yes, so you look at it from the perspective of the NBA.

Starting point is 01:34:32 So all you're doing is you're saying, I don't care. We care. I'm trying to make you the owner so then you can actually open your eyes. My eyes are open. Number one in Serbia? Little Mermaid, number one in Serbia. How's it in China and Korea? Not moving units in China. Number one probably.

Starting point is 01:34:45 No, in China, three million dollars is only made. China and Korea. They're not fucking with us. No, they're not. China bootlegs everything anyway. That's why the numbers down over here. But what I'm saying, if you are the business, I'm not trying to talk as a customer. I'm saying as a business.

Starting point is 01:34:58 I still feel like if I'm Joker, this thing about- I'm not, I'm just trying to get you to understand, if he knows Ja and Zion are the new faces or future faces of the league and he's like an afterthought or something like that, I wouldn't give a fuck either. I wouldn't care. Oh, perfect example. That's not to give him a fuck. Perfect example.

Starting point is 01:35:19 Giannis was wearing Tough Proud during the finals, right? In Milwaukee. I have so many Grease fans that want the same pants and same socks that he wore. In Milwaukee. In Milwaukee. In Milwaukee. But it's the same thing with Tony Parker. And then he went to Grease and wore it, they still want the same thing.

Starting point is 01:35:34 I'm going to say it's true. You're talking about branding, right? You're talking about branding, right? Sure. But you're talking about the opportunity to brand, right? You're branding from the start here in America. So if you put the same opportunity for a guy like Ja to wear Tough Crowd, it's going to be different.

Starting point is 01:35:50 It's going to be a different impact because Ja actually cares about the brand. It's the feeling behind it. When I support something, I'm supporting it because I'm fucking with it. I mean, yeah. Okay, just like Steph Curry wearing it. But Joker not fucking- Like Steph Curry wearing it, yes, of course. So many stars, man. But I'm still going to want the grease. I'm still going because I'm fucking with it. I mean, yeah. I mean, yeah. Okay. Just like Steph Curry. But Joker not fucking. Like Steph Curry, yes, of course. So many stars.

Starting point is 01:36:07 But I'm still going to want the grease. I'm still going to want the Serbia. Of course, I'm still going to want them. There's still so many stars in the NBA. We're going to want that. But I'm just saying, the love and admiration behind support, and it comes from the history. And that's what Joker didn't have. Like, when he asked that question, he's like, man, whatever.

Starting point is 01:36:22 You know what I'm saying? That's been his attitude since he's been in the league. From day one. But it's only because he's European. You know what I'm saying? That's been his attitude since he's been in the league. From day one. But it's only because he's European. That's what I'm saying. He don't care about it. It's only because he values winning championships, not stats. That's it.

Starting point is 01:36:32 But Giannis is heavy on social, right? Makes a point to be heavy on Instagram, heavy on Twitter. Joker's not fucking with it like that. Embiid, heavy on social. But if I still gave it to Joker, and if I gave Joker a shirt right now, he's winning the finals, that's all I need coming through the tunnel. Yeah. That's all I need. Exactly. That's all I need coming through the tunnel yeah that's all exactly that's all I need exactly I don't need to be on social media

Starting point is 01:36:50 no you can still he's not in Serbia he's in America walking through the tunnel. He will be in Serbia. No, but you're selling him on TV in America. I can sell him anywhere. They're saying it, but they're not realizing. This guy can go back to Serbia with Tough Crowd on him, with the trophy.

Starting point is 01:37:16 You don't think it's going to be in the Serbia papers? Nah, if he's in Serbia, it's not going to be in the American papers. If he's in Serbia, you're not going to sell him. It's the news.

Starting point is 01:37:23 It's global. It's Instagram. Everybody got Instagram. Everybody got Instagram. Everybody reaches you. Here's the other point. I think Serbia's population is like 7, 8 million. Whatever it is. It's not making enough of a dent anywhere. If he wears the product here... Everyone's going to see it.

Starting point is 01:37:35 If he wears the product... If he wears it in Serbia, there's a thing called social media. Because this is America. And he's in Serbia and no one knows where the fuck he is. For the rest of the year, no one sees nothing. I have my main star

Starting point is 01:37:51 not walking around America. He don't have social media for the 13th time. He doesn't have to. I have a back-to-back MVP. The person taking the picture needs social media. That's it. Back-to-back MVP. Take the picture, post it on your page, win. Have you ever seen an interview with Cristiano Ronaldo?

Starting point is 01:38:09 Cristiano Ronaldo has the most follows on Instagram. You know why? Because he has one. He has an Instagram. Joker don't have to run it, but if he had one, he'd have 20 million people following him. If Joker won a championship and flew home private, right, got off the plane with the trophy with Tough Crowd and a dog hat on, I'm good. When? If he'm good. When?

Starting point is 01:38:25 If he does it. When? When he does it. Who would you rather have do it, Joker or Giannis? Either one. It don't matter. It don't matter. The MVP of the finals.

Starting point is 01:38:33 I mean, I already had y'all doing it. The MVP of the finals. I don't even think y'all know what y'all arguing at this point. He's talking about Brandon. He's just talking about the fact that he could take that image and then he can promote it. Yeah, over here it's fine. Not the fact that it's in real time. I got 20 million people watching.

Starting point is 01:38:47 It's real time. He's not promoting it here right now. As of right now, he's not promoting it here, so you're not getting sales. You get that? So when he goes to Serbia, he's not promoting it. Do you get that? I would get every Denver fan. What I'm saying is he's not doing it.

Starting point is 01:38:59 Okay. And you're not doing it with him. Okay. Right? So we have a back-to-back MVP who got both his trophies over there. They had to find him to give him his trophies, which means there's no celebration for an American thing. There was. You know, when we give Michael Jordan his.

Starting point is 01:39:15 It's a celebration. We give Kobe his. Right? His is fucking craned somewhere in Serbia. We're going to got to find him in a backyard somewhere. And we get like a five five second clip of it. We just value different things. I'm not talking as a fan

Starting point is 01:39:29 or what Joker thinks. I know Joker thinks the way Joker thinks, but I'm talking about as the brand. As the league. As the league. As Joker, I'm fine with what Joker's doing because most of us would like to live that way too.

Starting point is 01:39:45 With no responsibilities. I guarantee you if Kobe Bryant or if Tatum won, if Tatum did an interview like this. Man, they eat his ass up. If Tatum did an interview like this in the American soil and don't give nothing, fine. No. If Tatum did that because... Not fine in him. Maybe Tatum mindset is, I'm trying to win a ring. Can you give me a salary?

Starting point is 01:40:10 What is our culture? What is our culture? What is our brand sold on? Interviews. Please, but you know what it means. Interviews, right? Interviews. Michael Jordan's interviews. Kobe's interviews, right? LeBron's interviews, right?

Starting point is 01:40:26 We can sell that as the NBA. I can market their likeness to the world. The culture. So you got to grab the culture. What made Jordan great is how he dressed, how he spoke, everything. So not the game.

Starting point is 01:40:42 The game? The culture. The shoes getting banned. The shoes getting banned. The shoes getting banned. The Gatorade. All the other shit he was moving. You wanted to drink Gatorade because Mike Jenkins. It's everything that comes with it as a star. So now I have a star who doesn't want to talk, who doesn't want to be a star.

Starting point is 01:40:57 He doesn't care. He's gone. Hurts the brand. I would feel maybe a little more personal if I actually owned a team. I don't own one of these teams. Okay, so you're arguing for no reason. No, I'm not arguing. I'm just simply saying to you that the NBA is a billion dollar industry. Why?

Starting point is 01:41:11 It doesn't matter why they are. It does. It actually does. And they're not going to not be because Joker doesn't care about somebody else's stats. It's not going to change anything. It's not somebody else's stats. It's not going to change anything. It's the culture of the NBA. It's not going to change anything. It actually does. It doesn't make any sense. You have someone who's not somebody's stats. It's not going to change anything. It's the culture of the NBA. It's not going to change anything. It actually does. It doesn't make any sense.

Starting point is 01:41:26 If you have someone who's not celebrating your culture to help sell it. What if he said this? I don't care about he. What if he said this? I don't care about he. You're talking about an interview. What if he said this? I don't care about those stats.

Starting point is 01:41:39 The only stat I care about is how many championships I win. Would you feel better? Yes. Okay, so then that's still a thing. If he said that. He didn't say it because he wasn't asked. He wasn't asked. I've listened to every- He wasn't asked.

Starting point is 01:41:51 Have you heard any Joker? Give me one line Joker said that was empowering to my new future. Go. I don't know. None. Promoting the league. Nothing. Why do I?

Starting point is 01:42:03 That's not his job. My job is to play basketball. Yes, it's not his job. But you're the star. That's the NBA's job. You're the star. It's not his job? My job is to play. Yes, it's not his job, but you're the star job When LeBron broke the record right and he did his press conference He knew how important the record was the culture of the league Is it American my nigga speak English away? But wait but wait, but what did LeBron know? He knew the history of the league and how important the all-time scoring leader is to the league. And every

Starting point is 01:42:32 other stat, like most playoff points, like most clutch shots, all of these things are important to our culture. It's important to the culture. So when you surpass one of these milestones, they identify and say, you know what, I know how important this is to the culture. It's just great one of these milestones, they identify and say, you know what? I know how important this is to the culture.

Starting point is 01:42:47 You know, it's just great to be a part of the greats. He's not in the culture. I'm not saying that he should have said that, but that's the response we usually get when milestones are passed because of the culture. BJ, how hype would you be if a motherfucker didn't give you an MVP that you deserved and you own their mic?

Starting point is 01:43:05 I don't give a fuck about y'all. Y'all don't even give me my MVP. Okay, you have a podcast, right? Not anymore. Okay, when you did. And you come over there and you ask me questions. This is your podcast. Yes.

Starting point is 01:43:14 Right? That you're surviving on. Yes. And I come up there and answer it like, what'd you think about this? Yeah, that was good. I wouldn't have you on if I thought you weren't going to give me what I needed. They don't have a choice. They have no choice. Thank you. That means you have no choice to get my interview. I don't have you on if I thought you weren't going to give me what I needed. They don't have a choice. They have no choice. Thank you. That means you have no choice

Starting point is 01:43:27 to get my interview. I don't need you. I don't interview people that aren't going to converse with me. If all your interviews these high profile guys are sounding like that, how does your business... I wouldn't interview them. But you have to, dear. No, I don't. The NBA has to.

Starting point is 01:43:43 You're messing up the scenario. You're messing up the scenario. You're messing up the scenario. We're giving a scenario. You're messing up the scenario. You're giving a scenario and you're fucking it up for the sake of your fucking sound right. How many players are on the league? How many players are there?

Starting point is 01:43:59 Because now you know what I'm talking about. Are there 400 some players? I don't have to interview Joe. I don't have to on my podcast. There's so many people that I can interview. There's one team playing. There's two teams playing. There's Denver, and then there's Miami. You have to interview Joker.

Starting point is 01:44:12 So interview Murray, somebody that's from America. Murray's not a star for your thing. He's not a star for your podcast. And he's not a two-time MVP. He's not a two-time MVP. He's not a two-time MVP. But the point is, at the highest point of the league right now, between those three guys, Giannis is probably the most marketable of the three.

Starting point is 01:44:31 Okay. That's why they made a movie over him. And I wouldn't give a shit if I was Joker and they didn't give me my MVP. But that's the thing. It's not about Joker not giving a fuck. It's not his job. It's not about being Joker. Stop.

Starting point is 01:44:42 You're talking about a company. The NBA. Okay. Right? The NBA. You got to get paid off of a joker's interview. You have to do it. Uh-huh. You have to.

Starting point is 01:44:54 Yes. Right? We're not saying you can change and pick and choose. I hear what you're saying. Yes. You have to get paid from a joker's interview. Ask better questions. Ask better questions.

Starting point is 01:45:04 You don't speak English. I am an interviewer. I am a reporter. He don't speak English. I am an interviewer. I am a reporter. If I'm going, if I need to get paid off of this, I'm going to ask better questions. That's it. Don't speak English. That's it. I'm going to ask better questions. He don't speak English very well. So how are you going

Starting point is 01:45:18 to be able to market this interview? I'm going to ask better questions. I didn't ask that. I said, how are you going to market this interview? That was a bad interview to me. You didn't ask that. Thank you. That was the only question that they showed us. I'm sure there was plenty more others. Ask better questions. I didn't ask that. I said, how are you going to market this interview? That was a bad interview to me. You didn't ask that. Thank you. That was the only question that they showed us. I'm sure there was plenty more others. Ask better questions. It's fine. It's a bad interview versus you having a Jason Tatum

Starting point is 01:45:33 or a Ja that can give you an interview that's also a star. So when you compare the two interviews... I'm fine in the West. You look at the Ja interview, right? Yeah. But saying all that, that was the part of the interview that literally went viral. Which one? That's it.

Starting point is 01:45:50 That's all people care about. You don't have no energy. It works in the short term. He probably said way better shit. He probably said way better shit than that, but because he said that, everybody wants to harp on it. What I'm saying is it works in this interview, it works in the aftermath of the game, but Ja, I'm fine in the West, it worked when he said it cuz everybody was talking about that shit when it happened

Starting point is 01:46:07 Then the Lakers beat the Grizzlies I'm finding the West comes back up these type of things now have more legs more movement from a viral perspective when you're a star When you're a star player, it's Everything that comes along with it speaking appearance Your your moments. I'm here. I'm sitting there Mike's in front of me. I'm doing my obligation that comes along with it. Speaking, appearance, your... I'm here.

Starting point is 01:46:26 I'm sitting. The mic's in front of me. I'm doing my obligation. If you don't ask better questions, then I'm not going to answer with better answers. That's it. Who's the best singer in the world? Right now?

Starting point is 01:46:39 Best singer, vocalist. I would say Jennifer Hudson. Great. Who's the star? What do you mean, who's the star? Star. Beyonce. Okay would say Jennifer Hudson. Great. Who's the star? What do you mean, who's the star? Beyonce. Okay, there we go. What about it? Just because you're a star doesn't mean

Starting point is 01:46:56 you're more talented. Sorry. There's a whole bunch of bums that are famous and do not have any skills. But who does the business get behind? Who does the business get behind? Who makes the most money? Who does the business get behind? People that are famous always vote Beyonce. Who's the best vocalist? So you have the best vocalist

Starting point is 01:47:14 that's breaking all the records, but we can't sell it. So we have Beyonce and we're gonna have Rihanna. We don't give a shit about your records because this is an entity that sells. I'm the business. I need to sell something. I can't sell just your vocals and whatever else you're bringing that are not bringing that are not star. Your interviews are whack.

Starting point is 01:47:39 You dressed whack. You look whack. Yeah, your game is amazing. Your vocals is amazing. But I need someone that I can sell Because it's a business rather have somebody that's less talented. That's cool. I Need a star. That's cool. Jennifer Hudson is a star NBA doesn't sell the NBA sells stars Jennifer Hudson is also a star

Starting point is 01:48:07 Not as big of a fucking valid fucking point when we talking about business And we talk about watching shit on TV like a fan like yeah, yeah, I get it That's business we talking business That's the truth so that's why you prove my question that was the answer to the question You proved my I. I was going to go with Jasmine Sullivan. That's another one too. Who's bigger? Who's bigger? Whoever you pick.

Starting point is 01:48:29 Whoever you pick. Whoever you pick. Who's selling out stadiums? Who's the star? Rihanna. Of course, I know. We know. We know who the star is when we take it away from everything else.

Starting point is 01:48:39 Jasmine Sullivan is the star. I need my Beyonce. First of all, I got Jasmine Sullivan for my star. And so is Jennifer Hudson. She will sing the national anthem at the... Cool. Is she a Beyonce? I need my Beyonce. So is Jennifer Husson. And so is Jennifer Husson. She will sing the national anthem at the ball. Cool, is she Beyonce? Who's the star?

Starting point is 01:48:50 Who's the better? Who's better? Better at what? A better singer, Beyonce or Jasmine Sullivan? That's not even a question. Jennifer? I mean, you know. Who's the star?

Starting point is 01:48:59 Who's the biggest star? You asked who was the question. Oh, OK. You said singer. OK. You said singer. Yeah. Oh, we're talking about stars, though.

Starting point is 01:49:06 So then go sell your stars. Joker's a better player. So go sell your stars in the NBA. If Joker's not a big enough star. I need my star. So then why do you want Joker to do the interview, then, if he's not a star for you? Why are you interviewing him?

Starting point is 01:49:17 I don't think he's the best player on the Nuggets. Oh, so then he's not a star. So why do you care? But from a tournament. Stop trying to turn him into a star. He's a player. He's a talent. He's not a star. He's a player. He's talent. He's not a star. We can't.

Starting point is 01:49:26 He's better talent. He's not the star. We can't. So then move on. Go find you another fucking puppet. That's what we're trying to say as a business. Then move on. Then move on.

Starting point is 01:49:34 We're not talking about the player. We're talking about the business. You can go promote someone else. He's winning my ring. So then you're bad. You're bad. Exactly. You're bad. Scott Foster on the line, please. You're bad. Come you're bad. You're bad. Exactly. You're bad.

Starting point is 01:49:45 Scott Foster on the line, please. You're bad. Come pick this shit. She's saying everything you're saying. I know she is. That's what's weird. Just stop. Just stop.

Starting point is 01:49:53 You gotta keep going. You're saying what I'm saying. You're saying what I'm saying. So stop. So let's talk about- Weird. Joker and Jamal Murray. Are they the most dominant duo in the league right now? Yes.

Starting point is 01:50:01 No question. In the finals. As a duo? Yes. No question. In the finals. As a duo? Yes. In the finals. We had this talk last night, is Joker the best player in the world right now?

Starting point is 01:50:11 Yes. Yes. No question to me. Is Joker the most marketable player in the world right now? No. Okay. Yep. Oh, oh. Yep. Is he? He should be.

Starting point is 01:50:19 Is he? Yep, he is. Whatever you say. I thought he wasn't a star. Whatever you say, I'm gonna say. I thought he was just a star. Whatever you say, I'm gonna say. I thought he wasn't a star. Whatever you say, I'm going to say. I thought he wasn't a star. I thought he was just a star. Whatever you say, I'm going to say. I thought he was just a star. And I think that the issue that we're all pointing out is essentially, like, you look at the NFL, right? NFL, 120, 130, 130 million people are watching that Super Bowl.

Starting point is 01:50:36 It's not internationally driven league, right? The best players in the league are predominantly American, right? So in theory, the NBA that has this huge international influence, you know, players from... Don't even have a chance to touch the NFL. But it should be smacking the NFL. Can't.

Starting point is 01:50:49 And it's not holding the candle to that shit. Can't. They own a day of the week. What? The NFL owns a day of the week. They own a few. You know what I mean?

Starting point is 01:50:56 They own one. They're trying to claim a couple others, but they own one. They own Sundays. They own Mondays. Mm. But,

Starting point is 01:51:03 and they're taking over like Christmas. Yeah, we want your corners too. Like, it is, but basically whatever the NFL wants to do But then they're taking over, like Christmas, yeah, we want your corners too. But basically whatever the NFL wants to do, wherever they put a game, people are going to watch. Ain't no business in the world that doesn't want someone to be the face of the endorsement. Right.

Starting point is 01:51:16 Nobody. Your endorsement must be multi-layered. You have to choose your endorsement then. But you have to start domestically. You start domestically and you expand. The NFL compared to the NBA. The NBA has bigger stars than the NFL does, right? The NFL is a bigger league.

Starting point is 01:51:31 Correct. So when you look at somebody like a joke, like even we're talking about Giannis. You put Giannis in a Tough Crowd shirt, he puts that on his Instagram, that's 15 million people that saw it right away. Americans, Greece, people all over the world. You give Joker a Tough Crowd

Starting point is 01:51:42 and you hope that he sees it on TV or wherever he's at. Maybe, because he don't got no social. You know what I mean? But now I got to do additional research to figure out, okay, what brand is he wearing? Okay, that's brand and shit. It's extra level that a lot of people aren't going to want to take.

Starting point is 01:51:54 Versus Giannis posting and tagging, look at me in my tough crowd shirt. Oh, I know right away it's tough. Right away, right away. I click on the ad, whatever it is, but I think that's kind of the bigger issue. So when we look at Joker and just what he's doing and I'm a ask y'all this question Is he having the most dominant performance by big we've ever seen in the NBA Finals and this is an NBA final NBA finals

Starting point is 01:52:16 Playoffs he's averaging 30 14 and 10 this post What Shaq average that one year? Not that. It'll be somebody like Wilt Chamberlain. Not that. Are we talking about statistically dominant or just what we've seen physically with our eyes? Like what Shaq was doing was just unfair. We weren't allowed to watch. It was unfair.

Starting point is 01:52:36 And what Joker's doing is unmatched. Yeah, I would still have to go with Joker because when you're talking about the whole package, he's bringing 60 to 70 points from himself. Yeah. Assists and buckets. But is he dominating in a sense? Yeah.

Starting point is 01:52:56 How do you... Yes. Not dominating like Shaq. That's what my conversation... I can go get a bucket. My conversation is dominant. That doesn't give you stats though. With Shaq, it's like, yo, I'm dominating every single fucking possession is a dominant

Starting point is 01:53:08 possession. But singularly to get himself points. That's it. That's only one person affected by that. Because Shaq with the doubles and all that other shit he had going on. And you know, hack of Shaq and you know the- But Joker's doing it on multiple levels now. Too many.

Starting point is 01:53:23 Not as flashy as Shaq in the post. He expands his game to be dominant. Shaq never had to expand shit. He just got into the paint. When it was in the paint, it was dead fucking neat. I'm giving you buckets and rebounds. So Joker had to evolve his game to be dominant. But I will say, Joker's touch fucking nuts.

Starting point is 01:53:42 His post ability. Where it's not like Shaq, when we used to watch Shaq, I'd get the ball and the puck. Shaq didn't have to have none of that shit. Shaq needs somebody to give him the ball. It was boom, boom, boom. Shaq needs somebody to give him the ball to do what he can. But the problem with Shaq is when he can't do that no more, what does he have? Then what?

Starting point is 01:53:56 But we not talking about when he can't do that. We are. But what I'm saying is in a Joker worst case scenario, he can just be the point guard. I get it, but we're talking about the I'm in it finals performance. We're not talking about What he did to you come on like Shaq Shaq Shaq performance 30 and 15 Okay, he's gonna give you 30 15 what tennis it is. How how Shaq's getting it? It don't matter the numbers If you shoot threes and get the third and I make twos with free throws, I'm still at 30. But it's not as dominant. No.

Starting point is 01:54:26 It's 30. It's not dominant. It's still different. I understand. It's a different thing. People are getting in foul trouble. Yes. I'm fouling you out.

Starting point is 01:54:34 But you're bringing only 30 points. I'm generating 70 points from me. You might not like the way I'm doing it, but I'm generating 70 something points. Yeah, but look, that doesn't mean that your effect and dominance on the game is greater than mine. Yes, it does. It doesn't. The only thing you have over me is-

Starting point is 01:54:51 The stats don't dictate that. Literally, it does. No, it doesn't. Literally, it does. No, it doesn't. Because when you're finishing the game, you're finishing the game with 90 something. I'm finishing the game, we're finishing the game

Starting point is 01:55:00 with 120 something because everybody got involved. And Joker shoot 80% for the free throw. I agree with all of those things. With 80%. Thank you. So look, you can give me the ball at the beginning. You can't get the ball in the middle. Okay, look, so if I take the passing elements

Starting point is 01:55:12 away from Joker. But we can't. That's it. What do you mean? You can't take something from him? You can't take something he brings. We just did it last game. No, you can't.

Starting point is 01:55:20 We just did it last game. No, you didn't take it. We took away his assist. No, you didn't. We won the game. 41-11. What are y'all talking about? Why do you think you took it? What are you talking about? What did you take?

Starting point is 01:55:29 We just had four assists and lost the game. We took it away from him. No, you didn't. Yes. That happened. And how many points did he have? It don't matter. It happens.

Starting point is 01:55:36 44. But it happened. 44. And that's more than Shaq has ever scored in the past. Yes. Listen, man. You took his passing away. Now we're moving the goalposts.

Starting point is 01:55:43 We took his passing away and he gave you 44 points. We're talking about dominance, not stats. play. Yes. Listen, man. You took his passing away. Now we're moving to goalposts. We took his passing away and he gave you 44 points. We're talking about dominance, not stats. Yeah. Yeah. 41-14. Or 41-11-4.

Starting point is 01:55:52 Not stats. 41-11-4. So what I'm saying, you took his, so he gives you about 30, 12, and 10, right? You take his points away, he just added it to the points.

Starting point is 01:56:02 So you can see how he's bringing, what, 50, 57? He generated 57 worth the points. So you can see how he's bringing what, 50, 57? He generated 57 worth of points. That's what I'm saying. I get what you're saying. I see how the points in the stat and the columns, they add up with Joker, right? But I'm talking about

Starting point is 01:56:15 dominance. 70, 80% from the field. Same. Dominance. It's going to be the same. He's giving me the same percent. And Shaq didn't shoot 70 or 80% from the field. He did not. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Same. Joker the same and he finished with 30 but 10 assists. Who was more dominant? It depends on how Shaq's getting his points. You got 40. How's he getting his points?

Starting point is 01:56:53 It matters. You went 20 for 20. You made all dumps. But this and ones, it's a lot of things like you said, fouling other teams, guys out. All of those things matter. He missing those free throws. You got 40 points. Those aren't and ones. 20, 20 for 20. Those of those things matter. He's missing those free throws. But I'm just saying, you got 40 points.

Starting point is 01:57:05 Those aren't and ones. 20. 20 for 20. Those are just layups. 40. Okay. Joker got 30 points on open jump shots. Yeah, and 10 assists.

Starting point is 01:57:13 Right. Who's more dominant? Shaq. Right? Shaq's more dominant. Right? Now, those 10 assists, right, those are going to be twos and threes. So Shaq's total is 40. Joker

Starting point is 01:57:25 has 30 with 10 assists, right? Those are twos or threes. So 40, now you're going to have to add 50, 20, or 30 or whatever. Shaq has a point guard on his team that has 10 assists. What I'm saying, if it's 10 threes,

Starting point is 01:57:41 that's 30 extra points. So now that's 60 points total for Joker versus Shaq's only 40. I get the stats, Gil. I get the stats. What I'm saying is Derek Fisher is going to – somebody's going to – We're not talking about Derek Fisher. Somebody's going to offset. We're talking about two players.

Starting point is 01:57:56 Stop moving the goalposts. We're talking about two players. Somebody's going to have to offset getting Shaq the ball, those 10 assists that Shaq could potentially have if he's getting double teamed, if he's doing whatever he's doing to get the 40 points. So if Joker's getting 10 assists, someone on his team is not getting those assists. So someone has to get those assists, right? So if Joker's going to be the one, it doesn't mean that he's dominant because he's getting

Starting point is 01:58:21 the assists. It's because the team needs him to do that. It's just like, okay, Shaq literally is dominant because he has one specific thing that no one can stop. So look, but even though he's not dominant in your world, he's generating more. I get it, but I'm just saying more as we action, we asked the question was who's more dominant in the fight. I'm saying Shaq. So Joker, this entire playoffs, 31 points per game, 13 rebounds, 10 assists, shooting 55% from the field, 47% from three. Now let's just, we'll just go finals.

Starting point is 01:58:54 Shout out to the stat muse. Very easy site to use. So finals, 33-14 and 9.3 assists in three games. 59% from the field. Even if Shaq averages 33-14, the nine assists over Caleb's home. It's done. Y'all still, you can't get off. But here's the thing. If I told you those were Shaq's numbers, you would tell me that's.

Starting point is 01:59:19 Y'all keep bringing it up. Because we like to keep talking about that. If I told you those were Shaq's numbers in the finals, we would all sit on this couch and agree that's the most dominant finals that we've ever seen. If we watch it, if we watch it, we're going to be like, yo, what the fuck is that? So if I told you Shaq was averaging 33, 14 and nine assists. You're going to say that's the most dominant thing to ever see? Yes.

Starting point is 01:59:40 That you said is the most dominant. Because it'd be the 33 points would be dumped. Yeah. And that just seems better. It's not. That's what I just better. It's not. It's not. It's not. It's a whole thing. It's not better.

Starting point is 01:59:47 It's just points. It just seems better. It's just points. Because it's all dunks. It's just points. It seems more dominant. You think a dunk is worth more than a layup? But we're not talking about seem.

Starting point is 01:59:56 Yes, we are. A layup is conversation. Just like Kirby shooting threes and LeBron dunking. Y'all just don't want me to have it. It's good. No, I'm saying LeBron dunking. I'm just don't want me to have it. It's good. No, I'm saying LeBron dunk it. I'm going to take that shit anyway. No.

Starting point is 02:00:07 LeBron seems more dominant because you're just dunking on everybody and it just looks more dominant. But if one's averaging 33 and... Why is a dunk more dominant? Because it's a dunk, it's more dominant. No, it's because it's strength. It's man.

Starting point is 02:00:19 It's... I'm going to dunk your ass. It's strength. It ain't no soft shit. It ain't no... But it's like Kobe hit the shot over three doors. It's ESPN. It's two points. It's the, it ain't no soft shit. It ain't no. But it's like Kobe hit the shot. It's ESPN look. It's two points.

Starting point is 02:00:31 It could be, but it's all dominant. It's two points. For a reason. It's not passive aggressive. If I get 50 points in all layups and you get 30 in dunks, you're more dominant? Yes. That's so dumb. Yes. Because I so dumb. Yes.

Starting point is 02:00:45 Because I'm dunking all over your biggest down there. You're getting wide open. You're 20 points short, though. I didn't say that was wide open. I never said that was wide open. I'm dunking on everybody down there. I never said that was wide open. Boom.

Starting point is 02:00:56 I never said that was wide open. I'm dunking on everybody down there. The most dominant performance that we've seen in the world. It's not a performance. That's your problem. The performance is the whole thing. What was the damn question? I think for me, and this is the thing that we can all agree on, watching Shaq from a

Starting point is 02:01:12 dominant standpoint, but the problem is when we see Joker do what he do, it's not flashy as what Shaq was doing with the yams on and all that shit, but it's still dominant. It's still dominant, but it's more dominant. Am I saying that it's not? The most dominant finals performance I've seen is probably Giannis at 50. Yeah? Like that was dominant. Hakeem versus Shaq.

Starting point is 02:01:32 You talking about a game? What is dominant? What is that? Game six? I'm talking about stats. I thought you said of the series. I'm just talking about what he did to Shaq. I'm at 14 points.

Starting point is 02:01:40 But we're talking whole finals though. Oh, yeah. We talking about the whole series. What did he average 14? Oh, I thought you said that. How? Yeah, we're talking whole finals though. Oh, yes. We're talking whole series. What did he average 14? Oh, I thought you said that. Yeah, we're talking whole finals. So for the Joker to put up those numbers, like if I just gave you those numbers that

Starting point is 02:01:50 said Shaq did it, we would all say yes. The only person he's competing with would be Wilt Chamberlain. Yes. With his final stats. That's it. Because at some point he was averaging, you know, it's going to be 30, 20 and something. Nobody else is even in the stats. So it's going to be that.

Starting point is 02:02:03 It's going to only be Wilt. Yeah. It can going to only be Will. Yeah. It's going to only be Will. I feel like I define dominance differently because I feel like when I say or hear the word dominance is, man, there's absolutely nothing we can do to stop this. But that's what Yannis is. That's what a lot of people are. We've seen these guys be neutralized.

Starting point is 02:02:21 It's like watching Wilton being like, yo, there's no way they're going to stop. He's going to average 50 on these guys. But he did average 50. Shaq was literally stopped with a pass. Shaq's best final is 2001 versus Sixers, 33-16, 5-6, three blocks per game. Joker right now is 33-14-9. Man, that was a hell of a set. They're right there.

Starting point is 02:02:42 No threes, no free throws, and he barely passing. That's dominance. And even Wil. No threes. No free throws any barely passing like that's dominance And I'm even with boards up where we could probably consider other than the shack the most dominant player just from a few Attribute standpoint, which makes Joker shit look so crazy because we all look at him Joker's not dominant. I'm just saying he's not as dominant in a finals this show And you make you you actually proved the point then. If Shaq is the most dominant big and he only... Say that, Gil.

Starting point is 02:03:12 Didn't say that. You're saying if he can't be stopped, right, and he only averaged 33, then he wasn't playing to his potential. They was fouling him. Exactly. That's why he's not. That's why he didn't get his points to go to. They had to start fouling him.

Starting point is 02:03:28 So they changed the whole rule for him. They changed the whole rule for him. You're talking about different pace, different. They had to change the rule for him. I'm saying you're talking about different pace, different score. What I'm saying is, okay, so like when you take Wilt, right, him averaging 50 let you know he was playing to his ability. Yes.

Starting point is 02:03:47 But Shaq would average 50. I'm averaging 50. That means when you said you look like you're gonna average 50 and he did it. Okay, cool. Shaq, you look like you can't be stopped, right? You were stopped. But you're only averaging 28.

Starting point is 02:03:58 Because they're fouled. They literally are fouling a nigga. Exactly, you were stopped. So they had to put in a rule for Hacker Shaq, bro. They put in a whole rule. No, that wasn't a rule, that was a plan. It's a play. No, you were stopped. So they had to put in a rule for hack a Shaq, bro. They put in a whole rule. No, that wasn't a rule. That was a plan. No, the plan was the rule.

Starting point is 02:04:10 A rule means you can't foul them, and something's going to be penalized. That's not a rule. They changed the legal defense to 2-9. No, no. Bro, you can't say something that can't be stopped. They changed it from a legal defense to 2-9, bro. That wasn't because of Shaq.

Starting point is 02:04:24 That was because the zone got in. They had to bring the zone in because that was a test when they was testing the zone out in 2000. Imagine if Steph Curry couldn't shoot free throws. Definitely because of Shaq. Imagine if Steph Curry shot 50% from the free throw line. Shaq's not being fouled. Just imagine that. He's averaging 50.

Starting point is 02:04:41 But then you're stopped. Then you're stopped. Because he can't shoot free throw but look But I'm saying you're not a weakness I'm saying that I can exploit if I want to try to slow him down. You have to foul him. Yeah, because he's bad Before he just fouls the whole game out Doesn't matter for who have who fouls the game what I'm saying is if Shaq is the most unstoppable, which he is, but he did not tap into his destruction.

Starting point is 02:05:12 He was controlled destruction. What Kobe said, he's lazy. We're talking about a finals performance. Y'all making it sound bigger. What you're saying is I should be able to give this man the ball the whole game. He did. And he should score 50-60 because nobody can stop him. He did. And you're saying, no, he only to give this man the ball the whole game. He did. And he should score 50, 60 because nobody can stop him. He did.

Starting point is 02:05:25 And you're saying, no, he only averaged 30. He averaged 30. Yeah, because the other periods of time when he had it, they fouled him. So he said, look, in order for us to stop them from neutralizing us, Kobe. How can I neutralize something that's unstoppable? What do you mean? You can slow it down. You can't stop it.

Starting point is 02:05:40 You just said he's unstoppable. You only have seven fouls before you're in trouble. Look, you slow it down. You can only slow it down. You can only slow it down. You only have seven fouls before you're in trouble. Look, you slow it down. You can only slow it down. You can only slow it down. You can't stop it. You can only slow it down. You're fouling me, right?

Starting point is 02:05:52 Is that slowing me down? Take the ball out. Give it back. Foul. OK. Take it back. Foul. And then I go to the free throw line.

Starting point is 02:05:56 You got four fouls going on the bench. You got four going on the bench. Eventually, this whole team will be fouled out if he's doing his job as being a dominant. And Shaq still ain't going to make the free throws. But that's still ain't going to make the free throws. But that's... That's what happened when they won three championships in a row. That never happened. That wasn't happening.

Starting point is 02:06:08 That never happened. That wasn't a tactic for Phil Jackson. So you have... We know they're going to foul us. So you have Kobe... You have... Okay, so what I'm saying is you have Kobe who averaged 35 in a season. You have James Harden who averaged 37 in a season.

Starting point is 02:06:24 And you have Shaquille O'Neal who's the most dominant force since Will Chamberlain. Averaging 30. Not averaging what he was supposed to because he was lazy. Okay, whatever you wanna call it, my man. Whatever y'all wanna call it. So he's the most, he has the most dominant performances in the finals.

Starting point is 02:06:41 So you're giving? Just to answer the question, whatever goalpost y'all keep moving. Nobody, nobody is as usual with you. Dominance. Alright the question, whatever goalpost y'all keep moving. The performance. I'm saying as usual with you. All right, well, let's move on. It's 135. We are almost done with the show.

Starting point is 02:06:52 We appreciate you to the 7000 people. Fuck we gonna go after this. I got something. Something you got something you got going on. Pull that shit again. I mean, are we talking about my trauma and tragedy? Come on. Yeah.

Starting point is 02:07:03 Well, that shit again. Actually, someone I was like, yo, you a church-going guy? Memorial service. I was going to say, was he right? He was like, yeah, man. Wednesday, Mondays, Tuesdays. We told you that. They're slow days.

Starting point is 02:07:16 They're slow days. Those are the days church ain't booming. If we really want to honor and celebrate, and to honor that memory, I'm going to get y'all out of work. If I pass away, we doing that shit. I'm not going to do it Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. So, I can still get those arena going.

Starting point is 02:07:26 But we're going to put that in the wheel. Monday or Friday. We'll go Thursday at like 2.15. So, I'll get y'all out of here. Get y'all there in enough time to go get it. But get a day off of work, all right, to really remember. But let's talk about, let's celebrate the positive. Allen Iverson just celebrated his 48th birthday.

Starting point is 02:07:41 Gemini. So, I'm going to go around just quickly. What's your favorite Allen Iverson story, memory from his time in the league? Watching him one night get carried out of the club in D.C. So this is like a Tuesday night. D.C. popping. Woo! Good club.

Starting point is 02:08:04 Allen Iverson. Wednesday, watching the Philly game. 48. Like, Jesus Christ. That just, like, man, that man is... Like, you know how when you wish someone was a little taller, a little stronger? Out of all the players I've ever seen, I wish Allen Iverson was 6'6".

Starting point is 02:08:30 Disgusting. 6'6". That'd be crazy. 6'6". It's Kobe Bryant. We will be arguing he's the best player that ever played. He's Kobe Bryant. 6'6", Allen Iverson is a Kobe Bryant.

Starting point is 02:08:39 No, no, no, no, no, no. 6'6", Allen Iverson is not a Kobe Bryant. 100%. Allen Iverson was running through walls. Like, if you're going to put 60 on me, I will choose Kobe Bryant to put 60 on me before guarding a 60 from Allen Iverson. A 5'6", 180 pounds.

Starting point is 02:08:59 He played 1,000 miles an hour the whole time. Non-stop. And never wanted to stop. Like, Kobe, you already. Kobe's going to walk you down. Hey, bring it over here. Post you up. You be like, all right, all right.

Starting point is 02:09:12 Put it on. He's going to go get it. Iverson is popping, hopping, popping. It's like guarding Steph. I don't want to guard a Steph Curry 60. No, that's embarrassing. Kobe's 60. You're in spots. He's going to put me in his pose, he's going to put me at his elbow, elbow, elbow.

Starting point is 02:09:30 Versus a 60 where you're guarding someone who is all over the place. It's more tiring. Number eight, Kobe was what? Number eight? No. Number eight? You didn't guard Iverson, that's why you don't know. I had to guard Kobe a little bit.

Starting point is 02:09:44 I didn't guard Iverson? No. You didn't guard Philly Iverson. Hell no, you don't know. I had to guard Kobe a little bit. I didn't guard Iverson? No. You didn't guard Philly Iverson. Hell no, you didn't. No, no, no, no, no. You did not guard Philly Allen Iverson. Nobody wanted to guard Philly Iverson. I got two stories with A.I.

Starting point is 02:09:57 So the first time I met him, I think it was like my third or fourth year. We was in Atlanta at the strip club. And he was in there just chilling. We had took a picture and then I remember having like 35 the next game. And then I remember we did a collab with Al Harrington, his brand of Viola. And I did the photo shoot for it. I had like the weed leaves. And then I met him, gave him a tough crowd jacket. So I had some dope moments, like just meet him.

Starting point is 02:10:24 And he always told me he loved my game. So shout out to him. How many Dap Hug combos did he give you? Cause that's the thing about AI. Oh yeah, I mean, see he was drunk as hell. You know, he was drunk. Oh see, I just thought about it. They missed the AI. They did.

Starting point is 02:10:36 They wasn't in the league with the AI. I was, my rookie year, that was his last year with Philly. She talking about? Yeah, that wasn't there. I mean, it wasn't him, but I was on the court with him. The 2003, 4, 5 AI? Yeah. Who knew?

Starting point is 02:10:48 2001? I caught the last bit, I caught last AI. Which year? 05. Oh, you sure? Yeah, man. Come on, man, Chuck my nigga, bro. What you mean?

Starting point is 02:10:58 I ain't, hey listen. You caught Chuck, you caught him. Listen, Chuck was my, he was my, before Kobe, before Mike and all them, it was Allen Iverson. My Allen Iverson moment was, I had a couple before this, but it was the big three, you know, when we won the championship. Maybe two games before that, you know, we had a moment where it was like, he sat me down, everybody was in the lobby and he said to me down and he was like, come fucking holler at me.

Starting point is 02:11:26 And he was just like, man, I feel bad every time I see you hoop, that you out here playing with these niggas, man, you're supposed to be hooping for real. You're supposed to be out there hooping. And it hurt me to my soul. Tell me what I can do. And I'll talk to whoever and all this shit. And I'm listening to this nigga, like Allen Iverson talk to me like this, like he was my big brother.

Starting point is 02:11:43 And I'll never forget it. And a lot of the ways and reasons I act the way I act is because I got solidified by certain niggas that don't just gas niggas up and tell them some shit just because. Like my motherfucker, like Allen Iverson tell you, you had that shit youngin', it hurts me to see you out here trying to show people you can steal hoop. That's a moment that lived for me forever. Nobody can tell me shit. I wear the crown for a hoop. That's a moment that lived for me forever. Nobody can tell me shit.

Starting point is 02:12:05 I wear the crown for a reason. If that nigga tell me I'm that nigga, if T-Mac tell me I'm that nigga, Paul Pierce tell me I'm that nigga, Gilbert, if any of these niggas tell me that was the niggas, I'm that nigga. Ain't nobody else. Until you come see me, come see me. Come test it out. I'll show you right now. Other than that, hey, Bubba Chuck live forever.

Starting point is 02:12:22 Man, I'll shake the shit out you. No now. No now. Can I say, mama, we're late live forever. Hey man, I'll shake the shit out you. No now, no now. Can I say, Mom, I'm gonna wait for our arguments about this shit. No now, not a, no now, not a. Not a, now, not a. Not a, no, not a. I'm gonna chuck the shit out right now.

Starting point is 02:12:32 No, I'm gonna chuck that shit out. Our birthdays are very close, and we've hosted, he's hosted my birthday three different times. You remember back in the day when parties used to have the flyer? Mm. The good old days. We've been on, three years in a row

Starting point is 02:12:48 that we had our birthday parties together at clubs and we just partied and everything. It was a time, he's my idol, he's my favorite player, all that, it was kinda cool that he was trying to sleep with me too, but I never did. But just being able to party with him on my birthday. Yeah, appreciate the honesty.

Starting point is 02:13:04 Being able to party with him on my birthday, Yeah, appreciate the honesty. Being able to party with him on my birthday, somebody that I consider my goat and my idol, like that was a dream come true for me. Hey everyone, listen. I see in the chat everyone's wondering why. Why what? Why me and Mika are going at it. She's still mad, y'all.

Starting point is 02:13:19 Hey, can y'all cue up the video, please? Don't fucking play with me. Can y'all cue up the video? What video? This is why we had this is why she's mad at me y'all oh my god i fucking hate you get that shit out of here, y'all. That's why she's here.

Starting point is 02:13:47 All right. This ain't foul. Oh my God. I hate you for still having that, you piece of shit. Oh my God. She was a jump shooter. You set me up too. You set me up that day.

Starting point is 02:14:01 You really did. One thing you're gonna do is remember, I completely forgot we were gonna do that shit. You set me up. That was a whole setup to block my you're gonna do is remember shit. I completely forgot we were going to do that shit. He set me up. That was a whole setup to block my shot. I'm talking about we shooting, I'm hitting, I'm hitting. I'm hitting, he just rebounded, passing, I'm going. And that last one, I said,

Starting point is 02:14:14 he getting closer and closer, passing me the ball. Next thing I know, he put my shit into the third row. So now, Thanks. It's 142. 442 on the East Coast. Let me see how many people we got rocking with us still. We still got close to 7,000. We're gonna get to 10,000 soon enough, Gil.

Starting point is 02:14:32 Things are gonna change around here, all right? Motherfucker wouldn't let me in the gate today. You know I was dealing with some personal trauma. But we appreciate y'all rocking out with us. Time for the favorite segment, especially on Thursdays, because that means we're getting a little bit of break. Mostly fans. Mostly fans. Oh, so listen.

Starting point is 02:14:49 No questions what? I'm running this shit. That's your shit. That's your shit. Hey, so starting next week, right? He said no. Move on, he said.

Starting point is 02:15:03 He said please don't do it. You want me to announce it? For next week? What? For Mostly Fans. That what? This summer. Let's say this summer. Okay, this summer.

Starting point is 02:15:17 Okay, so this summer, Mostly Fans, we're going to start adding, instead of your questions, we're going to loop you in to ask your questions. Okay. On the video. Audio in to ask your questions. OK. And that works. Audio. No. Or video too? Video.

Starting point is 02:15:29 Video too. We need to see what some of y'all look like. A lot of y'all be having comments in these chats. And we need to see if them words, that face is really back up on the words. Yeah, so we're going to do an interaction where you can, you'll pop up on the screen and you'll be live with us. That's cool.

Starting point is 02:15:40 Yeah. That's pretty cool. What the hell they thought I was going to say on there? They thought I was Zion out here. No, they thought you was going to say next air? They thought I was Zion out of this motherfucker's ass. No, they thought you were going to say next week they're doing it. They're like, we don't know. We don't know. We don't know.

Starting point is 02:15:51 We're going to be presented by 100 Dog Fantasy. Yeah, you are. Yeah. You don't need this job, Gil. You heard him in the back there like, no. No, no, Gil. So our first Mostly Fans question, this one is from Samuel Felix. He said, who are your all-time favorite European players as people and as players?

Starting point is 02:16:06 So Gil, who's your favorite all-time European player? I'll say Dirk, Pasha, Turkoglu. I thought it was one. You said favorites. Is that an S on the end? He said favorites or? He said favorite, favorite, players, plural, but it's all good. Because I played against them, so you know.

Starting point is 02:16:32 Ginobili, Dirk, I'm trying to think of some other overseas. We'll keep it international because some of them played in Europe, they're not technically European, so we'll say favorite international players. Yeah. That's about it. Rashad? He's like that kid in school, right? You already heard the question two times.

Starting point is 02:16:58 Oh, oh, oh. Let me get a, let me get a, let me get a number two. Name, Dan Bodoroda. Okay. So he was, he played in the Olympics and and he gave and when he went baseline and gave the dude I think they bellow. Yeah, so that was my GM who signed me when I first went to Europe and they were damn Bordarota, but he was he was like famous. I said I must say y'all Go favor y'all. Yeah, y'all came in did some different shit man. Mine's Ginobili, it's not even a question.

Starting point is 02:17:25 He was, he just- Winner. Winner. Oh yeah, Tony Parker, Tony Parker's my favorite. 100% because he was the first one that actually gave me advice. When I was starting for the first time, it was game 42, I was starting for the first time,

Starting point is 02:17:43 playing against them, and I just went up there and asked them, Hey man, you know, this is my first time starting, right? What, what should, what should I do? Like, I've been watching you, you got Tim Duncan and you know, he's like, you know, when I get the ball, my first thing to do is try to beat them up the court to try to score. He said, I'm a scorer. And he said, you know, once we get in the half court, I just pass it to them, let them do their thing. All I picked up is beat them down to quarter score. You just ignored all the rest of that. Yeah, we shook hands and you know, from there we always, you know, so, you know, Tony. All right, so question number two from DC Chavez.

Starting point is 02:18:16 Are Kevin Love and or Kyle Lowry Hall of Famers? Wait, what? Why would they? I see, I get why Kevin loves, but why people say I don't agree with either one of them. I think Kevin loves, he has what, two, what he has, one ring? One ring.

Starting point is 02:18:33 Kevin loves one ring. His years in Minnesota was good though. I know. But those are, some of those points are tricky. Yeah. Some of those points are very, very tricky that he did in Minnesota, I'm sorry. It's hard because you know it's the body of work.

Starting point is 02:18:44 Yeah. Five finals trips. What did it do in Minnesota? One of the greatest AAU programs. Went to UCLA. I was watching y'all highlights on the group chat. He went to UCLA. Hall of Famer's entire basketball resume. I mean, from his resume, he could.

Starting point is 02:18:58 From his basketball resume? Yeah. Kyle Lowry. Kyle Lowry got one. He used to get haircuts in the hood. He got one championship too. Well, Kyle Lowry, I don't know. But Kevin Love. What is their percentage?

Starting point is 02:19:06 I see why Kevin Love people would say it, but I don't see it in time. What's so funny, like when you say their names, you'd be like, I don't know. But when it makes you think, I'm pretty sure if you type it into like one of those Googles, they're sitting at about an 80-something percent. They're probably an 80-something percent chance.

Starting point is 02:19:21 I think K-Love is high. Kevin Love, I think K-Love is chance. I think a lovers is I think he is I don't like it, but I can see why some but then then then like you say something like that Then you're like well, why ma berries not in all Hall of Fame? It's like a mulberry and when he and a 20 it's here right 20 and a 28 Like I like what's funny is somebody's like, G8, you should be a Hall of Famer. And I was like, yeah, yeah. Then I looked at his numbers like.

Starting point is 02:19:53 Go ahead. Packing on up. I had a good career, though. I had a good career, though, you know. Yeah, Marbury for his career, 19 and 8 assists. So I think that's a reasonable question to ask. Last, mostly fans. How much does CP3's family living in L.A. for the past four years

Starting point is 02:20:07 playing him potentially leaving Phoenix for the Lakers? None. They've been there. What do you need them for? He probably wants to be somewhere close, I would imagine. Close to his family? He ain't been close to his family. Phoenix to L.A.?

Starting point is 02:20:21 No, that's not close. It's not close enough. No, it's not. You're not here. I don't write the question. You're either here or you're not. That's not's not close. It's not close enough. No, it's not. You not here. I don't like the question. You either here or you not. That's not close to me. It's close, I'm saying it's much closer than Phoenix to Miami.

Starting point is 02:20:30 He not flying to LA to, that's not happening. You know, I guess it gets to some, at a certain point in time where, you know, as the women of the house, you had to put your foot down. It was like, you know, as you're getting older, you're moving more. And we have to establish some type of... Yeah, but if the player is the one... But if the player is the one playing, in my opinion,

Starting point is 02:20:55 it is the woman and the children's responsibility to go where he is, not for him to go where they are. No, no, yeah, yeah. But, like, he wouldn't come here because of they're here. This is where they established ground because he was here the longest. Right. Right. You know, going to Phoenix, yeah, you signed a four-year deal,

Starting point is 02:21:14 but are we going to move our kids now to go there? And then from there, you're not going to retire there, so you're going to come back somewhere else. Exactly. It kind of keeps that. So I can see him coming back to L.A., but would it be a fit? I mean, Lakers, you've got two teams up. Would he be a fit for?

Starting point is 02:21:31 Yeah, and then his son's going to go to high school too. So it's like, you know, I know he want to play ball. Why move them? Yeah, they should just stay where they've been. They'll stay here. I don't know if I see him coming here yet because I don't see him fitting with the Lakers. Like I want to see him win a championship, right? Just because when you watch someone long enough, you want them to win.

Starting point is 02:21:50 Well, as a mother of children. He should be putting together that State Farm retirement plan. You know what I'm saying? I'm just waiting on the retirement plan. You get the whole package, man. He said he'd put in a three or four year- Put the package together. Where it's going to be?

Starting point is 02:22:03 L.A.? All right, let's plant this motherfucker in L. He said he'd put it up at 3 or 4 for you. Put the package together. Where it's going to be? LA? All right, let's play in this motherfucking LA. Let's put this shit. I mean, it's Melo, Bron, you know what I'm saying? Where does Cliff want to be? CP next. Where does Cliff want to be?

Starting point is 02:22:13 Yeah, where does Cliff want to be? Where does Cliff want to be? I think Phoenix is a great place. I would have said, like originally when I seen it, I was like, okay, he can go to, he can go to Boston. What number would he wear? That man going to the upper room. They only got like eight numbers left. That's what I'm saying.

Starting point is 02:22:33 Put that jersey in the upper room. He'd be great with Giannis, but you have Drew. But what about coming off the bench? Is he ready for that? He got enough money to go to the upper room. That man 38 years old. He's 38? Yes, he got enough.

Starting point is 02:22:49 He's got to put it up in the upper room. Man, 38? Put it up. He could be coming off the bench. Put it up. I don't look at that as a bad thing. You can run this shit and get it going. Are you chasing?

Starting point is 02:22:59 But is a ring that important? Sometimes guys have an ego thing where it's like, I don't want to come off the bench. I'm still a starting player. Because they got to hear that name. They got to hear that name. You want that ring. I guess when you put that much work in, you want that ring like, I did it.

Starting point is 02:23:14 What changes in his legacy? Even if you start me for three minutes, if you start me for three minutes and then bring me off the bench cool, you know what I mean? I feel much better than starting and then, you know, sitting the whole football court. Like, I mean, not for nothing. What changes in his legacy, though?

Starting point is 02:23:28 If he gets a ring, let's just say he ring chases. He goes somewhere to try to come off the bench and he gets a ring. Does that change his legacy? Like, what? For him, for himself? No, yeah, for his body of work. Like, do you value that?

Starting point is 02:23:40 Like, is that like a... As a player, as a player. If you don't get it as a star in your prime and you get it Chasing coming off the bench. Is that I don't know. I gotta I gotta ask someone who got her We don't know that's what I'm saying You got to ask for a player who who's dominant and then they want it on the back already happy with like a Gary Payton Somebody like that. How do you feel about I think Gary Payton still? Yeah, Gary Payton because he was still like playing Yeah, I mean, he probably

Starting point is 02:24:05 like it, but I bet if he were winning with the Supersonics, I mean, that shit just hit different. Is Chris Paul a top tier point guard? Is he a top tier? Top tier. Top tier. And his prime? What's in the tier? Right now. Is it top 10 point guard ever?

Starting point is 02:24:21 If we just shut it off right now, shut it off right now. I'm asking. If we're shutting it down right now shut it off right now basket We shutting it down right now Where you put CP three ever right now? He's not top five to me. I don't even know if you crack in ten to me Turnover the best turnover six year ratio in history. That's fine This sounds like we're here in 10. Yeah, 10 20 and 10 for most of his year So whatever whatever you put him at, right?

Starting point is 02:24:46 You're like, all right, does this move affect? Whatever move he makes, does it affect his position? He better than Tony Parker? At the point guard? Wow. That's deep. This sounds like a great conversation. That's deep.

Starting point is 02:24:59 That's deep. He better than Gary Payne? He better than Gary Payne? Is he better than Steve Nash? Yeah. Yeah. He better than Steve Nash. This ass. We're going Steve Nash? He but yeah, yeah. This is Steve. We're gonna get we have to get it next week.

Starting point is 02:25:08 This sounds like a point guard. He's better than Gary Payton. Damn. Yeah. RPG. Yeah, we're gonna have a we're gonna start getting these better. What's the criteria? But that's what's it?

Starting point is 02:25:19 What's the criteria? But I don't think better than Kevin Johnson. Yeah. What's the criteria? But just 20 and my skill. You talking about that? I'm doing 20 and 10. Are you talking about skill? Are you talking about stats? Wait, 20 and 10? That's what Chris Paul averaged for like eight, seven years.

Starting point is 02:25:29 20 and 10. 100%. He better than Darren Williams? Yeah. Yeah. They proved that on longevity. We're going to do our new segment, He Better Than. I'm talking about prime.

Starting point is 02:25:39 When I say point guards, remember, I don't have Allen Iverson and that's a whole other category for me. So are we talking longevity? Allen and those type of longevity? Because Dame is in there, Russell Russell is in there. I mean James Hart is in there. I don't put them in there. Like we talk tough.

Starting point is 02:25:57 No, no, no, no. I don't put them in there though. That's why. Why? I just put pure points. No, no, no. There's longevity play apart. It's a disadvantage. But that's why it's too late to have the discussion because you guys don't even agree on who is the actual point guard. I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

Starting point is 02:26:05 I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

Starting point is 02:26:13 I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

Starting point is 02:26:21 I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. His resume, you've been playing this long, and you have the best turnover to assist ratio in the game. And most of the teams you played on, that OKC team that was horrible as hell, and you got them. Like, he's maximized. He's like Miami.

Starting point is 02:26:35 You maximized the talent you had around you when they were bad. I just want to know. So I'm like, you know. I just want to know y'all top ten. Top ten. You got to word it right for me because I have pure points and then I have my point guard. I have my group. Yeah, I didn't have the twos point guard.

Starting point is 02:26:54 You used to you're the point guard. You're just bringing up the court. I don't care. You just the point guard then then LeBron's in it. LeBron James not a point guard. He's not a point guard. He's not his team in this this every year. I'm not going to get the point LeBron James not a point guard

Starting point is 02:27:11 Point LeBron's a point. No point if you're coming down the court and you're running the plays you're the point guard Magic Johnson had Nick Nick Norm Nixon for all those years. He had Byron Scott for all those years is a point guard He's the point forward. He's the point guard. I'm coming down. I am the point guard. I am the guy bringing up the ball. No, that was in the fast break. He didn't guard no points. That was Norm Nixon. Norm Nixon is point guard.

Starting point is 02:27:33 They had to move him. Do you see what he's saying, though? He's saying in the lineup, Magic played point. In the lineup, where are you? In the lineup, where are you? Magic played point, but he guarded the small forwards. Okay, I mean. So same thing with, like, that's what I'm saying. Like, whenever someone says Magic Johnson, I say LeBron forwards. Okay, I mean. So same thing with, like, that stuff said, like, whenever someone says Magic Johnson,

Starting point is 02:27:47 I says LeBron James, like, you can't do that. Nobody let his team in and assist every year and they even have him as point guard on some of them years. So what you guys have to do is put a 10. We have to put you have to put a 10. You got to put a 10. I will. I will.

Starting point is 02:28:00 I will. I will. I will. I will. I will. I will. I will. I will. I will. I can. You give me a team. You give me a team. The niggas bringing up the ball. Who's bringing up the ball? Who's bringing up the ball? See, we got to define that first. So, Iverson's not in there.

Starting point is 02:28:09 See, that's what I said. Is Iverson in there? If you start putting Iverson and Curry. No, we're talking about Rondos. We're talking about the Rondos. See, I do that. What about Curry? Is Curry in there?

Starting point is 02:28:18 Yes. And now, if you get to add everybody, even the combo guards like myself. No, you're talking about no scoring combo guards. Because like the Steph Currys and the Allen Iversons, their body of work trumps all of

Starting point is 02:28:36 them. So you're going to have to give me the list. Tonight. We're going to do it on Tuesday. We're going to do it on Tuesday, we will do it on Tuesday But we gonna say that for the Tuesday show but just so y'all know we're gonna be live Monday for game 5 Will it be the end of the series? Yes, we shall see the back is mad again Everybody in there talking shit time. I'm waiting for my door dash and I got a boo boo and all the other shit I see allall comments and I use Postmates, all right? Just so y'all know. Postmates?

Starting point is 02:29:05 DoorDash? I don't fuck with DoorDash. What's wrong with DoorDash? Uber Eats, bro. I just don't. I'm just never. Not mine. What you have at Uber Eats?

Starting point is 02:29:10 DoorDash is better. DoorDash is way better. DoorDash be having some shit on there. Yes, DoorDash. Yes! Yes! I knew I wasn't messing around. I thought you were trying to trick me like I had the wrong one.

Starting point is 02:29:20 I don't know. Maybe I'm tripping. Even for the vegans, it's way better. DoorDash better than Uber Eats. DoorDash, everybody. I don't know Door dash postmates who reads if y'all watching this shit somebody throw us a bag whoever give us the biggest bag We'll buy our loyalty. All right, but we appreciate y'all. I'll be back Monday with a watch party 7 p.m. Only because ladies if you cook and strip, I need you because I spent about 10. No, no, no.

Starting point is 02:29:48 No, no, no. I spent about 10 grand on DoorDash, and I'm trying to get that down a month. So if you can help me, and you can... I got it. Two and one. Two and one. Two and one. I'm like, you're going to holler. Two and one.

Starting point is 02:30:02 Two and one. You can cook, and you can do it. One fee. They said I'm going to holler at me. Tell them what? You can cook and you can do it. Wifey! They said I'm going to cry in the car. I just want y'all to know, Chad, that I'm watching everything y'all say, monitoring. When y'all are like, all right, enough of some shit, get to it. When y'all say let them cook, we let them cook.

Starting point is 02:30:16 But we'll be back Monday, Game 5 watch party, 7 PM Pacific, 10 PM Eastern. And then we'll have normal shows Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday next week. This is Gil Zerina presenting my Underdog Fantasy. Woo! Woo! Woo!

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