Gil's Arena - Gilbert Arenas Hosts A Funeral For Cemetery Larry

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

Gil's Arena Reacts To The 1st Round Of The NBA Draft as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew break down the storylines of the opening night of the NBA Draft and tell their stories of how it felt to hear their name called and enter the NBA. They kick things off with the #1 overall pick Cooper Flagg who landed with the Dallas Mavericks and discuss how the NBA's next rookie phenom will impact the team still reeling from the Luka Doncic trade. They also react to LeBron James' high praise for the former Duke Blue Devil and discuss how much the Mavs' strong supporting cast of Anthony Davis, Klay Thompson and Kyrie Irving will impact Flagg in his rookie season. They then react to the San Antonio Spurs adding 2 lottery picks in this year's draft including #2 overall pick Dylan Harper and break down how close this Spurs team is to contending as Victor Wembanyama enters his 3rd season with a roster loaded with young talent. Next, they continue their discussion on Ace Bailey who intentionally plummeted his draft stock only to end up with the Utah Jazz, sparking a debate on if the Rutgers superstar played himself throughout the draft process before giving a breakdown on the current state of the Philadelphia 76ers who passed on Bailey to pair VJ Edgecombe with their impressive core of Joel Embiid, Tyrese Maxey, Paul George and Jared McCain. They then welcome comedian, actor and entertainer CP into the Arena to discuss his upcoming special Sunday After Six and virtually sit down with Award Winning Journalist Henry Abbot to discuss his new book "Ballistic" and give his take on the injury issues tearing through the NBA. Finally, Gil takes on more heat for his take on Ring Culture and offers a hostile response to Draymond Green who called out Gil & The Arena for having a take on championship culture despite never sniffing the Larry O'Brien during his playing days. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, CP, Henry Abbott, Rashad McCants, Brandon Jennings & Swaggy P Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Right now Blinds.com is giving our listeners an exclusive $50 off when you spend $500 or more. Just use code ARENA at checkout. Limited time offer. Rules and restrictions apply. https://www.blinds.com/?utm_campaign=acq*brd*youtube************&utm_medium=rdo&utm_source=gil&utm_content=gilarena Fetch a FREE Jumpstart Trial Bag for your Dog. Go to https://ruffgreens.com/arena and use promo code ARENA. Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 2 Min Timer 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:59 Gil Throws A Funeral For Money Making Suni 0:06:16 How It Felt To Get Drafted 0:10:30 Comedian CP Enters Gil's Arena 0:21:07 Predictions For The Pistons Next Season 0:23:53 LeBron Has High Praise For Cooper Flagg 0:26:15 Mavs Fans Still Hate Nico 0:53:49 Underdog Of The Week 1:00:34 Dylan Harper & Wemby Will Be A Problem 1:10:46 Check Out CP's Comedy Special 1:25:47 Henry Abbott GETS REAL On The NBA's Injury Issues 1:28:23 Ace Bailey Played Himself To The Utah Jazz 1:44:51 State Of The Philadelphia 76ers 2:02:04 Draymond Green CALLS OUT Gil On Ring Culture 2:16:08 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A lot of things to talk about and discuss how we feel. Swaggy, good to see you. Stay at work today. You were here yesterday. It's like program. Wake up, come here. You know what I'm saying? And then leave. But this is Gil Zarrido

presented by underdog. We're in Gil's house still waiting for Gil to pull up to the couch. He should be here at some point during his show. But we got NBA champion of the world Swaggy P. Nick Young here with us. On this side of the couch we got the man they call money making sunny NCAA champion world Rashad McCance back in the arena. And representing tough crowd, tough crowd University we have Mr. B Brandon Jennings.

All first round picks, first round host. You guys said first round and under no second rounders yet. Okay. That's what y'all words. Today's day though. Today is day. This is second. This is guilty. This is guilty.

But for all the fans out there, we still got two viewing options for our traditional version, mobile vertical version. Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today. As expected, the Mav took Cooper flag with the number one overall pick. But what are realistic expectations for flag in his rookie season? The Spurs added two lottery picks, including number two overall selection, Dylan Harper.

How close are Wimby and San Antonio to being a legit threat in the West? Wimby now a vet entering his third season in the league. And A's Bailey reportedly didn't want to go to the Jazz, but Danny Ains still drafted his ass. Did Bailey play himself throughout the draft process? Didn't look too excited to be heading to Utah? Said don't pick me. I like the jacket though. But before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog. Go ahead and download

the AppUse promo code GIL. Get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special Pick'em. And we're back with another crew partner pack. As a reminder, each of our GILs arena crew has submitted a Pick'em that we're combining to create our partner pack on the underdog app. We'll tally up the individual picks and the guy with the highest percentage of accurate picks will receive a large sum of underdog bread before we take our summer hiatus in a few weeks. So, let's take a look at today's crew partner pack if we can please. Vladimir Guerrero Jr., higher 1.5 hits runs RBI's that's coming from Kenyon.

Kelsey Plum lower 20.5 points that's coming from Sonny. Aliyah Boston higher 15.5 points that's coming from Mr. B. and Jackie Young higher 7.5 rebounds and assists combined that's coming from Gil. No pick from Swaggy so he takes an L today, Swaggy didn't get your pick in. I didn't, but you know, that's my cousin right there. Who, Jackie Young? You got a lot of cousins. I think so.

Real cousin, play cousin. I think so. I think so. I hope so. I got a little bit of a feeling. I think so. I'm sorry. I got no fairs. I hope so. I hope so. So we asked our loyal chat if they are riding or fading with the Gills Arena crew partner pack for this evening. Hold on.

55% of the chat is riding with the partner pack for this evening. If you- I'm not saying I've been messing up the- The chat is saying it. Wow. I'm not saying anything. That's crazy. I support you. But if you like these picks and want to the you The chat is wow, I'm not saying anything that's great I support you But if you like these picks and want to ride when I'm going over to underdog if you don't have the underdog app

Download to use promo code get up to a thousand dollars of bonus cash plus a special pick them And if you can't watch this show live with us on YouTube, we have audio version available on Apple Spotify Wherever you get your podcast So 30 young men realize their dream becoming an NBA player in last night's first round of the 2025 NBA draft. Round two will take place tonight. So the draft began as we all expected with the Mavs taking Cooper flag first overall on what his sponsor New Balance was marketing as Flag Day. Before we proceed, Gil has entered the arena. Heard about this.

He hit his head on the jumbotron. So sad what happened to that boy. That's just the ashes. So sad what happened to that boy? Yeah, what are we doing? Had to bury a brother got back from the funeral. Had to lay him to rest where he died yesterday. I'm going to go all these shit. Memories. Memories. Yeah. This has got to sing condolences sometimes.

Ladies and gentlemen, Gilbert Arena says, Enter the arena. Flowers in the shovel. Flowers in a shovel. Damn, I'm glad I wasn't on this. The most unserious show in basketball. Got the can spit on too. See me tell you that? Yeah, huh?

Still don't have the timing. Can we start the show again? Y'all funny. Y'all thought I buried that nigga yesterday. Well... Wait, don't wait. I'm that nigga yesterday. Wait, don't worry. I'm supposed to be dead. You're supposed to be dead. What are you doing?

I'm supposed to be on the mouse. Damn. That is wild. I've never seen a nigga come back from being dead. Can we start the show? Must got a super power. And get the memo, man. He ain't got the memo.

I must have killed the wrong nigga yesterday. It was Sonny. Sonny died. Cemetery Larry still alive. Okay. See, I was going to be Cemetery Larry because I thought I killed them all. But it was money making Sonny. Okay. All right. The timing is still off. I killed the wrong one. Okay.

We're done. We'll get into some basketball, high-level basketball discussion here on Gils Reiner presented by underdog Woo Woo. Woo Woo. I did not. For a reason. I did not know that. This is why. Draft began as we all expect it with the Mavs taking a Cooper flag first overall

with his sponsor New Balance dubbed as Flag Day. I think traditionally a Canadian holiday has now made its way over to the United States. So let's take a listen to Cooper flag. Hey, can you get that note? The front of the car know, in the memory. The front of the car says, sharing in your sorrow. Lifting you in love and peace, says RIP, cemetery livery, zero condolences,

and it has Gilbert Arenas' signature on it. Zero condolences. Zero. Y'all gonna do all this shit, y'all couldn't promote my motherfucking video. Can't toes down. That's crazy. You made a video.

What we doing man? Come on. We start the show. Yeah, stop. He's gonna do the show. What the fuck? All right. So as once again, 2025 NBA draft first round last night, Cooper flag selected with the overall pick.

Let's take a listen. With the first pick in the 2025 NBA draft, the Dallas Mavericks select Cooper flag from Duke University. With the commissioner, we're talking about Zyna, we're talking about Jason Tatum, we're talking about Kyrie. What's that Cooper of course? So a flag, the second youngest, number one overall pick since LeBron James about a week older than LeBron when he was selected number one. We'll get more to the specifics of flag in a second, but I have to ask because of the experience we have on this couch What was a moment like to hear your name called at the NBA draft? Mr. B will start with you We know you were out out and about in New York doing some other things

Yeah But what did it feel like to hear your name called at the draft walk on that stage? Shade the Commissioner's hand to know you were starting your NBA career fulfilling your dream? I think just off the fact that the route that I took, skipping college, and people saying that it wasn't going to work and he'll be back home. And to hear my name being called at 10, it was just a lot of relief, stress relief, because I was out shopping earlier. Michael Jackson had died so he took over the whole you know draft. You know I was slipping into draft and things like that so just

to hear my name being called and you know Sonny McCurl was out there you know like we did it we did it so man you know it was just a great feeling. It was great. Who did you project it? They had me going 23, like 25. So you went up? Yeah, I went back up, yeah. Because they were saying certain point guards and things like that. So they didn't have me going, I didn't know I was going 10 until about like the ninth pick.

That's dope. Did you get invited to the green room and opted not to go or how did that host it? Yeah, yeah. I got invited, my agent at the time, Bill Duffy. He had a client before that was in the green room and he was, he didn't get picked in the green room. So it was kind of a little more of like a scare. Like they were going to try to do the same thing to me. Just had me in a group.

Try to make an example. I didn't make an example. So we just thought it was best to just be with my family. Okay. But then obviously you made your way to your room. Made my way. David Stern was in the back. He was like, yo, since the 13th pick ain't here, I'm gonna just bring you back to the back. So, you know, I'm like Soulja Boy,

always the first to do something different. Mr. P, like Soulja Boy. Okay. Well, you, you, then, you... I'm just sitting, coming through the back, like kissing the crowd. Yeah. So, it was cool.

Let's move on to Sonny. Sonny, what do you remember from draft day here, your name called? Oh, shit. It was probably an embarrassing day. Because once I did get picked, it was the first time David Stern messed up in the draft. So I actually walked on stage.

Supposed to shake his hand and shit, but he was still at the podium So I had to walk and tap him on the shoulder Shut up, I had to come back. Oh shit. You just called my name. Why you ain't ready? It's my moment. Oh, yeah That was the start of all all the bullshit. So That was my first when I got the first day. It was bullshit immediately. My moment. Hey, I'm here. Hey, hey, hey, shake my God. You're going to shake my hand, sir.

Damn, it's been happening all my life, man. I'm used to it. Let's move over to the side of the couch. Swaggy. What do you remember from your draft day hearing your name called by the commissioner? I just remember getting invited to the green room. I thought that was like the best thing.

That's all you see on TV. Thinking about shaking David Stern's hand. And the family get to be there and all that. But then I ended up dropping to the Wizards so it was like the worst thing that ever happened. It was like a dream nightmare. Dreams and nightmares, shout out to me. What was the green room experience like though?

You turned out to be cool but the Wizards was fucked. But you didn't know that until you got there. So how did you feel on draft day? Because I wanted to go to the lake. They had the 12 picks so I was supposed to go there. That's why I got invited. What was your experience like though in the green room? What's it like being at the table with all the other drafts? It was exciting. You know, hearing your name called. Still a dream come true. They take you.

I was worried about not falling on the stairs. I was like, don't mess up walking up these stairs. Don't mess up. Sugar's hand. Talk to the, after that you can call the team and all that. They congratulate you. Like, it's official. It's dope.

Let's move over to Gil. Obviously, Gil, you had a different road Projected to be a first-round pick believe what you said you wanted to be an international pimp Was that before after that moment? Oh, no, that's before okay. Yeah, Rick Draft can't yeah, I was you know, I cried on my draft night Yeah, I did too Yeah, I did too. Tear of joy or? Hell no, I was crying.

The last time I cried, I started to cry after 12 and 14. That's where you were supposed to go? Huh? That's where you were supposed to go? Yeah, Boston had two picks in the lottery. I worked out for them like three straight days. Golden State killed that workout, killed Portland. They had the 18th pick.

And then I thought Boston was gonna pick me with one of their 20th picks. And they went to Joseph Forte. And then Sacramento said I wouldn't get past them if I ever got close to 25. And then so I was like,, you know took my Portland shorts off Yeah, you had stories for the teams. You thought we're gonna do yeah. Yeah had like four pair of shorts on and we're just removing them You know

So basically the bandwagon guilt thing Yeah, and then When Oh yeah, that was, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, when 25 came, and you know, my dad's having a drive party, and I said, let me go in here and get drive first, and I show up like I'm a star. Sacramento, Gerald Wallace. Damn. Didn't even know who he was.

I got so mad, threw my chain off. Threw it out. I mean, it was fake anyway, but threw that shit off the balcony. And then I called Rodney Tension, sister in that, can I come back? And I'm just crying the whole time. And I thought I got picked before. But, you know, I thought I was already picked and so on. So, what was the mood like at that draft party after you slipped in the draft, before but you know I thought I was already picked and something damn. So

what was the mood like at their draft party after you slipped in the draft didn't go to any of the destinations you thought you were gonna go to did you actually show your face at your own draft party? It was supposed to be a open Hey, man Supposedly over bar, you know, yeah, they had they had to pay the old time Shit, I can't afford this fuck fuck That chain that escalate with the rims into that cash I gave my daddy I ain't got it no more Yeah, so yeah, I was going to the bar fucking bad. I was crying because I was broke, 20 I was, and then while I'm on the phone crying, then Roddy Tidges said, yo, go to the state draft, you're good, you got drafted. And I'm still crying.

And then they called, you know, they do the little call on the phone. They do the call on the phone. They do the call on the phone. I said, I'll be starting by the middle of the season. And then hung up. No unfortunate day for Gilbert arenas, but ended up having a provision in the CBA because you ended up making more bread than the number one overall pick in that draft. Who was it? Yeah, picking that drive. Kwame Brown, but that's not even the that's why when people

say would you no way would you what? Y'all in the same draft. Yeah, that's why you mess with him all the time. No, I'm messing with him because he attacked me for no reason when we was when I was just nobody ever attack you for no reason. The nigga attacked me for no reason. When I went to when I went to Washington. He was a poodle crying in the corner.

And I'm the nigga that was feeding him and was saying, hey man, it's all right, man. He gone, the nigga gone. Your last owner gone, Jordan gone, dawg. Come on, let's rebuild, we good. We good, all young niggas, man. You the king right here. So I thought we was good.

Until he, you know, the shit with him and Matt Barnes and throw me in it And shit like that. That's when I was like that. You've been holding this for 20 years I saved your life outside the club But doesn't even hit no death. No, but that's why when people say Would you would you do it all over again? And answers always gonna be hell yeah. I can't change that part.

I told that man I was a pimp, went into the second round, got paid first. I already know the results. I know the results. I'm gonna go back here and pimp. What that second round? That. You all would have gone to first round? I was

I did everything first first sort of video game first signature first all NBA first all-star first to get the contract I did everything first of that that draft Who was like the big soldier who's the oh who's the number one? Pogasol so it's either Paul Gasol or so Paul Gasol or Isis Joe so either one of those two. Oh the one with the rings would be Tony Parker, Z-Bow Richard Jefferson. Yeah, I'll be probably if they redid it I'll probably be like Seven or 10.

Yeah, around seven or 10. Because I mean, if you think about the teams that had picks, they still going to go after them big niggas for real. Like, you know what I mean? Like, the first guard would be probably about Tony Parker. For sure. And then I'd be like, you still got Jason Richardson. Still got to take the freaking nature.

Still got to take probably Richard Jefferson, Z-Bow. I mean, the Mecca oracle four. Like, you got to. For sure. All right, well I mean the mecha-oclaphor you got a Sure. All right. Well, let's keep this thing. We've got a very special guest making his first appearance in the arena Comedian actor and entertainer writer producer with the current recurring role on Hulu's how to die alone also starred in the second season of HBO Max anthology series love life his comedy special Sunday after six is available on the pay-per-view platform love life his comedy special Sunday after six is available on the pay-per-view platform Veebs His government name is Chris Powell, but you all know him as comedian hard. That's right man. Startin' those shit bro. You got a CP. You got a CP.

Startin' those shit. You ain't like a gangster. Damn. It's been a rough. Has it been a rough day already? We're here 24 hours. Don't worry about it. Don't just.

CP, you're a CP. Don't worry about it. CP. You know, an average day, girls are ready to present by all the time. Woo woo. Woo woo. Woo woo. So we're talking Cooper flag but before we get back to Cooper flag, obviously you're You know, an average day, girls are ready to present about all the dog woo woo. Woo woo woo.

So we're talking Cooper flag, but before we get back to Cooper flag, obviously you're from Detroit, big Pistons fan, we have some people on this couch that are a bit disrespectful to your city, one in particular, wearing an all black suit. It's why you- Did you have to point to me? Wow.

Wait, what did you say exactly? You said the city? It's crazy. You're on a team. You know what's crazy though? You said you wanted to be a pimp though I know yeah, not a Detroit pit. I mean that's that's that's Pimping okay, and you're not know that

What I said okay shit on Detroit, I think it was more team related but the people of Detroit No, I talked about the water before but that's just just local life. That's Flint. That's Flint. So y'all don't even count it. But shout out to Flint though. Do y'all count it? Is that part of? I mean, nah, but they still need water though. Like that's fucked up.

You know what I'm saying? Like they still need that shit fixed. Everybody needs to hide it. No, no, no. It wasn't in that capacity. I think they still, that shit's still a pet now. Coming out the sink. No, so I was, okay now, as a comedian, you will understand the joking side of it.

Oh yeah, of course. Right where there's girls posting the water, and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna unfollow all these Detroit girls, because if that's the water y'all bathing in, I know your pH balance is off. It was more in that sense of it. Right, you see it?

Wow. But I'm thinking about the water quality, and you trying to come over and give me the knock-kn Right. You see it. I'm thinking about the water quality. You try to come over to give me the knock-knock. You just so you just threw Detroit pussy under the bus. You basically like I'll pass. Improper balance. I heard that.

No, but that was back then. I got killed. They said too early. Too early. I'm like, too early. CP Pistons fan, how are you feeling about Pistons heading into next season? Especially with all the kind of injuries decimating the Eastern Conference. It looks like they might have a chance. Hey man, the East looking sweet right now. East looking sweet.

If the Pistons keep that little core together, I think we're going to be good. I think we can do like realistically fifth in the East. And that's like playing space knowing you's like, that's like playing space, knowing you got seven, but you can say five just so you wouldn't be modest. You know what I'm saying? But you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, I feel like that's, you know, I feel like that's easy. Who four, four in the East better than the Pistons? Right now, Cleveland, regular season. No, I'm just saying, you know, just Cleveland, New York, and there's you and Orlando,

as of right now. Top three? Yeah, I could go top three. You think this is the top three? Yeah, I think they can. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, you're right. They definitely could be flirting between three and four. Orlando got better.

To be honest, it all depends on how the beginning of that season starts. Especially with a team like that, if you playing like bottom feet, Charlottes and all of those, getting those easy wins early to get that confidence, it's easy to sustain it. But if you're playing top tier teams early, going down, damn, 4-0, I mean 0-4, you'd be like, aw man. I want to see Jayden Ivey back with a sir. But you know what I'm saying?

Like, we got some pieces. Having played together long, I feel like we went far. You know? Yeah, for fucker. Pizzas did not have a draft pick in the first round of draft, had the 37 pick today. So we'll see what they can get moving and shaking. A lot of moves going on.

What? They only have one pick? They only have one pick in this draft? Yeah. Who did they give all their picks to? Maybe for Blake, I think, back in the day? Back in the day? Damn. I think we might have to? Maybe for Blake I think back in the day. Back in the day? Damn. See that's what BC, those be the things that be for... But no, those be the things I be talking about. Y'all be getting rid of these.

Y'all be getting rid of y'all future. That'd have been great having like a top 20 pick with this team. 37, ah damn. 37 you gonna get a senior or a really young dude that you just. But that's just one pick though I think like for the last three drafts we've been in the top five. Okay. That's good. That's good. One more pick.

So their pick this year, I went to Minnesota. I went to Minnesota? Who are you? How are you a Minnesota, man? All good. How it go? But we were talking NBA draft, talking Cooper flag, number one overall pick by the Dallas Mavericks.

So, back to flag. LeBron James recently commented on Flag's game in an episode of his Mind the Game podcast, had high praise for the former Duke Blue Devil. I personally think that he wants to be great. You know, he had a hell of a year at Duke. A guy that can do so many different things on the floor, can play with the ball, can play without the ball. You know, his jump shot is gonna continue to get better.

Super athletic, quick second jump. And also, he has the benefit, unlike myself, he gets to join a team that's established with Hall of Fame guys, Clay Thompson, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving, right off the bat, Hall of Fame coach Jason Kidd. These guys are like, they can give him the whole blueprint are like, they can give him the whole blueprint

while he continues to learn what his blueprint will be. And I think that's gonna be an incredible thing for him to have that type of presence, that type of leadership, that type of, you know, just basketball IQ and knowledge around him every single day from those, those pieces. So I think he's going to be amazing. Why are they inside them Call of Duty crates? Like what was the point of that background?

Like they could have anything. They mining the game. They could be out in the backyard buying food. All right, I get it. You know what I'm saying? You know, they could do a lot of things. Like yeah, put the crates up, crack the crates, put the crates against the wall. We could talk about the game I get it cuz we're the greats. They're greats and crates

That's the name of the podcast greats and crates mind again podcast brah basically saying he came to a team full of bums and mind again podcast brah basically saying he came to a team full of bums and The second part but the team itself Was fun that day was all high Yeah, I mean the Cleveland team is yeah, they were all young but you're talking about there's miles Carlos Boozer Ricky Davis. Yeah, Ricky. Yeah, Ricky was average of 20 something on El Marsha

They had a young team so adding him your motherfuckers would have been but some members of that squad has some They got rid of them by the middle of the season. They got treated in the middle of that rookie season. Yep. But to Bron's point, Flag joining a talented crew over in Dallas, obviously Kyrie out with the ACL, but he should be back hopefully some point next season. So that's not typical for a number one pick

besides guys like Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan. So how much will the strong supporting cast in Dallas help Flags development? They just went to the finals like two years ago. Yeah, they lost Luca, right? But I mean, you add AD and if Cooper come in and be a B plus player, I think, I mean, they got enough experience over there. Like, I mean, it looks scary. They still got lively.

Like they still got clay they got clay don't forget about clay clay can get hot he ain't got a dribble he's a Washington yeah oh yeah I forgot about CP going there so they have that 5.7 million taxpayer MLE that they're gonna try to use to get a guy like CP Schroeder a dealer a little D low awesome little D low D low name better be a thought. Okay. Yeah, may not be a story. Fuck the whole thing.

Oh, be done. I guess. Do it. You said you go fuck down to your little D low. But like, you know, one day, can't do nothing. All right. Well, you can't you can't keep holding the man to your your Oh You can't keep holding the man to y'all y'all young With nothing to happen pretty sure he's grown since then That was the early we ain't the same man no more hey man he did you a favor man he did you a favor man she had no hits nigga she had no hits she fell off man look at you

you want to be on the read up he said you had he said you had cause you wasn't signing we were at the hits game big booty white girls was like six years ago I'm saying you had cause you wasn't signing. You wasn't going over there. When the hits came, big booty white girls was like six years ago. Not even doing that. Oh shit. Ever since you dropped that, boom, we ain't seen her.

They ain't never gonna go wild though. You can't say. She been done. I'm just telling the truth, man. Your big three career as a coach is bigger than hers. That's forever. He's somewhere looking for you, man. You do, man. I'm a girl walking in here right now.

Everybody. You feel me, man? I heard she do got OnlyFans, though. She actually quit OnlyFans, I think, back in October. Was one of the top earners. That was her best career. Yeah. That's a lot of their best career.

That's where the hits come in. You know what I'm saying? That's a lot of their best talent, shit. Use your best talent for your best career. Hey, how do you... She traded in the song for the thong. Let me just...let me just be honest. How do you...

I don't like her from the start. No, I mean how do you... And still your white woman? She taught me a lot, man. Calif.com is mine. How do you feel... Thought you passed P's. ...that your ex-fiancee is your only fan.

Why you like that? That's what you want, you're my only fan. I didn't know you would still hurt about it, man. I thought you were a big guy over that. Come on, I don't like this seat right here. This is not a good seat. I'm just asking. You know what I'm saying?

You ain't taking money on the ride, man! You need to go on the ride! It's kind of like, your girl leaves, there's just really two things that kind of hurt you in your soul. One, she goes to the other side, she becomes a lesbian. That hurts. Like, low key, that hurts like god damn. No, that don't hurt like, man. It do!

It do! I was that fucked up, she was like, shit, you know what, I'm going to the other side, I want to be with another woman. That kind of hurts. And then, just- She went to get a taste of her own men or stripper or hooker Only thing that's like damn She'd rather be a stripper than fuck with me

Dinner Oh wow! Let her deal with that! Let her deal with that! Let her deal with that part! Let her buy a bitch a dinner! See how she feels! Afterwards, on the way home, see how she feels! Again, nothing out of this shit! I think it's that good! Let her buy somebody a bag! Let's see how that feels!

Pay for the Morgan shit! So gentlemen, before this conversation, Beard off. Miss nigga. Take the old medicine. Before this conversation, Beard off, we were talking about Cooper Flagg being able to enter the league with a strong supporting cast. But y'all want to ask you a question. So obviously your high school career played at a lower level high school, but you had the opportunity to be the man. Your son Elijah followed a similar trajectory in terms of learning how to be the man. Your son Elijah followed a similar trajectory in terms of learning how to be the man.

Flagged a little bit different, went to Mount Verde, played with three other guys who got drafted in the first round during his time there, went to Duke, obviously, played with several other guys on that squad who got drafted. So he's had a different experience. So it would be an easier transition for him to be able to come into a squad

that's already put together like this Mavs squad and not a bottom feeder that's rebuilding. Okay just you know the research of it right of the new school system of everybody teaming up to win high school basketball championships. Well me doing the research finding out like where all the kids ended up did they end up to the pros and then when they got to the pros who who are they? Right? And then go back to the old school where guys were the man on their team carrying. But he was the man in each one of these situations.

He averaged 13 in high school as a senior. Powerful 13 though. So, so. Powerful. Powerful 13 is crazy, bro. You didn't know that? He averaged 13? He's a generational talent.

A facilitator. A facilitator. How the fuck you ain't know that? Sacrificing 13 is just crazy, bro. So, you didn't know that? He's a generational talent. A facilitator. How the fuck you ain't know that? Sacrificed his own for the good of the show. So what is it? No, his team was juggernaut. So everybody was five stars.

So what I found out is these guys who teamed up together, they all sacrificed during an age period where they needed to learn how to be selfish and find out who they are Try to maximize what you can do. So what these five-star Schools started producing was great role players players that teamed up with five stars and knew how to Play within the team right structure, right? None of play within the team, right? Structure, right? None of them really stood out, right? There's only a few outliers, but for the most part, like Ben Simmons, you figure out how to blend in with your group and be more team oriented.

So you're creating the perfect second option type of guys. Perfect college players. Yeah, so when Cooper Flack is going into this situation he basically knows how to blend in. Goes in we all we need you to do is rebound hustle and then get rebounds. He can be like okay and do that to his job. If you're saying hey Cooper Flack I need you to come in here and carry us. He's never really had to just put the team on his back and be a bottom-feeding type of guy to learn how to average blah, blah, blah.

Since he was in high school and everything. So, that's the flaw of the five star, you know, systems. Not saying this is, you know, gonna be his situation, but because of how he grew, his ego won't clash with the AD and all of that because he's been with other superstars before. So, he's gonna come in average, you know, for a decent year for him that goes like, hey, he did good 13, 8, 15, 8, 6, like that's going to be his numbers. He's not going to be in the 20s and something

because his team is good. Yeah. Right. So him leaving that five star high school program, then going to Duke, he went from program to program, not to the NBA to program. You saying they just, that pipeline is like good roles. For him, it's a perfect, it's... He also big as fuck. It's great for success. Like, it's a great, it's great for success. He's been fortunate to find a path

that is playing to his attributes and what he's going to a system that is ready already built. He's not going to some bottom fitting team that has no structure where you can see his flaws. Was that a good or bad thing though? Because you go to these bottom fitting teams, you get to play a ton of minutes,

you get to be forced to beat them. It depends on who you are. Now I gotta put up 20 and 10. I gotta do this consistently every night, get thrown into the fire. For him and his his his path This is a great system for him. You have some freak of nature Who's a one-on-one player by himself?

then he needs a bottom-feeding team where he could mentally just take over and then become that selfish being Where you start building around him? So flag did reclassify I left as a junior went to Duke led the team and points rebounds in the six. Obviously it was a loaded roster. No, where he gets what he gets to do is learn basketball early. Like he has so many great veterans and a great program where he gets to he gets to build and learn with his mistakes without being crucified because the winning is going to shut everybody down.

What is he the four? You can put him at the four to three. You know AD love playing AD. So that's what I'm saying. So then when 50 something games, nobody's going to say anything about them. Right? The name. Basically, whatever he does, he's basically playing with house money.

If the Mavs are a good team, he contribute to the, but now let's say if the Mavs are boo boo just in some off chance and he's not. No, you're gonna blame AD. Okay, well. Right now AD is the number one focal point on how to success. So whatever Cooper flag adds to it helps AD, but it helps himself too.

So he can, like now if he averages 20 and 10, because no one's focusing on him, now you're talking about Tim Duncan when he wins his first. So now everybody's looking at, hey man, this motherfucker's a whoo. And by the time he gets to be by himself, he's already established his confidence and his skill level.

So it's a perfect way for him to build his legacy on just straight win power. So let's shift to this out of couch shot. How much will the strong supporting cast in Dallas help Cooper Flags development? A lot. He don't have to worry about what all the other one number one picks had to worry about.

He has a safety net he can hide behind. If he plays bad, if you don't have a good season, still say he's a generational talent because he's playing with good players, you know, the narrative set up for him. So all we really got to do is go and learn like I was saying, just learn. You ain't really got to do nothing, gotta show up. That's the benefit of this type of situation. Everybody can carry you. And that's the benefit of the route he took.

Everybody just kind of respects you. Playing with the powerhouse teams. When I went to prep school, we went to prep school to become polished college players. You became a star if you had the talent. But everybody was there to learn how to play college style basketball. So I think everybody transitioned from that type of high school to college is prepped for that. And if you can shine in college, then you can be a pro. That's, I think, was the old pipeline.

Well, I mean, you would say Flagg shines in college, though. He came, lived up to expectations. Yeah. Coach K said he's the best Duke freshman that he's ever seen. I think, obviously, we may disagree here on this couch, but He's the best freshman that's coach K's words not mine better than Zion coach K. What can you say? Yeah? Zion had a crazy first. That's again, you know, we could debate and discuss Well, who else would have been there? That as freshmen themselves. I think what Taylor Kyrie.

Paolo Benchairo. Paolo. Elton Brand. He's nowhere near Paolo Benchairo. Kyrie. Kyrie, please let him get it. Kyrie only had a girl. You only had a couple of men.

But we're not about pick. I'm thinking you're talking about just attributes. I know. Duke's up against. It's crazy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know what Grant Hill was as a freshman.

Yeah. Look, I think Flagby, fifth number one overall pick to come out of Duke since 1999 sixth overall since 1999 I haven't haven't been one in Duns And I'm pretty sure they won most of them So the best players Tyree say them so all the best Tate them Tate them Tate them Ingram So so basically all the best. Tatum, Tatum, Tatum Ingram. So basically all the players came. So Paulo's the last one, Zion, Kyrie. So basically all Duke's best players for the most part,

the young ones, one and done, two and done, came after he got the job for USA basketball. Yes. They all been good though. They all been good though. They all been good in the league though. Yeah. Yeah. Solid.

Because before that, Duke players, it's like, yeah, great system. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Three years or more. That's what they were going for. It was when 2006 came and he got to use that in negotiation,

like which I thought was, I thought that was, I don't know why colleges didn't actually combat that, where you can't do USA basketball and be a college coach because now all these players that you're recruiting, you get to use the USA pipeline and say, oh, hey, I'm the head, I'm the head snake of USA basketball, right? So 18U, 19U, who you think they looking at?

So I need you to come on to the program. I'll make sure you go through this pipeline. You know, that's a great ass pitch. Yeah, for sure. That's a great ass pitch, especially when you say, I don't do one and done, and then you get the job, and then all of a sudden everybody's one and done now. Cooper Flag currently the favorite to win rookie

of the year, but do you think being on a squad like the Mavs? He's the favorite of the year. Favorite win rookie of the year, but do you think being on a squad like the Mavs? He's a favorite. Yeah Favorite of rookie of the year. So Cooper flag ace Bailey second Trey Johnson third Dylan Harper magic. Okay I mean he going to be able to be consistent. So he's gonna be rookie to cut the winds Like you got to remember like when you are number one like the top five picks in and just just in theory You're going to a bottom-feeding team you will have numbers not have the wins right so now you're saying that he's gonna be guaranteed 50 plus wins this season so

averaging 13 5 15 7 like like yeah. Yeah, that's gonna be rookie of the year. Cause they're gonna add the win to the regular number. So the only way that he's gonna get beat is if he's averaging somebody that's averaging 22, eight or something like some off the wall shit. So for the most part, yeah. You don't think they need him to score over there in that level? Not right now.

Not this year. Who's they scoring coming from though? Just AD. AD, Clay? That's it. Clay, he's not this year's score coming from no just a D a D clay clay he's not just kind of a see you'll be back hopefully January 4th he's not okay so what he does do that he goes hard as fuck so like he plays hard right that's one thing he does like he plays hard like a motor he's not like really a like give it to you. Let's go. Give me a bucket. Right. He's going to go left and try to spin back. That's his go to move. Go go left and then try to see if he can spin back to go back. Right. That's what he got. But for the most part, he's not a one. He's

not Paulo. Like I'm gonna give you the ball and you're gonna get your points off. So he's going to get his points within the system. Swing he gets an open shot all right you know I mean that's where most of his points came from everybody playing his own against Duke and you know he got that open so he has no bag not yet just not yet not yet he has no bag it's the eight no no you gotta think about he is the youngest he's the youngest person in the draft. Right? Youngest person, I can't teach 6'9",

and then a 38, 40 inch vertical, and play hard. I can't teach that. Can I ask a question? He's doing 6'9", shit. Backwards oops and jumps and like. Last year, who was a player outside of Stephon Castle that you guys can remember as like promising? Sorry, I had some moments but...

Whoa, wait, outside of... Outside of Stefan Castle. Who do we remember as a rookie that we saying like, oh we can't wait to see him again. Before, a man in Philly. McCain? Yeah, I like that one. I like that one I mean personal just Rob personally just thought Rob didn't play and I know

Shepherd he's effort and we thought that we thought don't connect no No, he's talking about before when we're looking at the draft I'm saying The whole rookie year step outside of Stefan Castle the biggest name is here we were who career I'm ready. It's like us like a staple like we like Ronnie. He gonna be good. Oh Coming back into the next What's he finished the worst? What's he finished the worst? Edie, Connect, Edie, Connect, Connect had that great stress.

Not Castle, no Castle though. Oh, without Castle? Without no Castle, so you got Dillaham, Connect, Edie. So who we think is going to be solid this year? I like Shepherd. Who's going to be solid this year? I'm saying it from this standpoint, so you see those guys, right? Stephon Castle is probably the prototype talent

that we're looking for beyond this, right? So think about the draft before that. Who was the rookies that year and that last year it was Wimby's draft? Wimby, Assar, Aiman. Oh, Aiman, the Aiman boys. Yeah, so the Thompson twins, Wimby, Lively. Man, so think about that draft, right?

We got talent. Right. These are guys, I thought, I'm sorry guys, the Thompson Twins were generational talents. I did too. I think Wimby was generational talent. Absolutely. So if you look at the draft, this last year with Stephon Castle, now remember we was at the Final Four, we like, man, this college draft is going to be kind of a wash because it's the only kid they got some potential

Move like he a NBA player. He showed it everybody else had to get they shit through the mud They barely get in playing time is that for Zack Eady who was in that same game. We watched right? So I'm looking at it like, okay Let's go back. Let's go back before when being them Was there guys that we could say could step into that light? As a rookie? That was a scoot. That was Scoot.

That was Brandon Miller. That was actually. Yeah. That was Wimby and him too. That was Wimby and him year. That was last year. So we look at the one and done, the one and done theory. Brandon Miller was in the same draft as Scoot and Wimby, I thought. Nah, he was a year before. Yeah, he was. He was. Brandon was in the same draft as a school and when we are though, yeah

he was he was to win be Brandon yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so who was before that draft that was a ae lament with not I was a bank arrow and thank you and okay so there we start there so that's the one and done this was the last Duke one and done with Ben Carrell right yeah right and when he came in his rookie year, was we expecting him to be number one Ben Carrell? Yeah, in Orlando. Yeah, he was big as fuck. Did he deliver? Yes. Yes. Right. Everybody's gonna deliver, given the time and the space to play. He not gonna have that time and space to play. He not going to have that time and space to play. He not going to have that

time and space to prove you got me for this reason. Who? SGA. Hooper. No, see that's what I said. He falls under the Magic Johnson. He falls under the Magic Johnson. He falls under the Tim Duncan style where the position that they need he feels it versus if he went to let's say he's a three-four let's say he got drafted to Orlando yeah you could you can technically be a bus in a sense because now the guy in front of you is a player and you got

to fight him for minutes on something he plays 40 something so you don't get no time with the Wagner and the Wagner. Well this is my point. My point is you in Dallas, right? You're in Dallas, you get to play and make mistakes and you get to do things you wouldn't be able to do if you was in Orlando by yourself like Ben Chereau.. You actually have a better net to fuck up, to do. Develop mentally. No, here. And this is what I'm saying.

This is his crutches. He's not going to be able to get through those tough times Ben Chero did to make Ben Chero the second year player he was, the third year player he is. No, it depends on if they're winning and they're in playoff situations. But remember, if Ben Chero's in a losing situation, he has to build his team up. He has to get the grit. He has to get out the mud. You're coming playoff situations. But remember, if he's in a losing situation, he has to build his team up.

He has to get the grit. He has to get out the mud. You're coming into a situation. You got to learn from the vets. But hold on, though. But he learned how to win. He's seen it. He learns how to win.

So what he has is preparation of the game itself. Like, think about when we go to bottom-feeding teams, how they act, right? Since we're not winning, we approaching it differently. Right? Well, there is no different than being at Duke, right? Y'all have to be on time. We gonna, you know, you gonna,

the bus has to be at a time, we gonna watch film. So he gets basically a blueprint of success early. So when there are times where we're going in a different direction and he is the cornerstone, he understands how to be a leader because he's learning from them. Most guys who go to number one picks, those number one picks, they don't.

They are supposed to be the leader. And he just got there like, when being Spurs. But let me say this though. You gotta be battle-tested. Let me say this though. He battle- don't forget bro. He's going to a team that is a little bit injury prone, right? So you think about it? We're not getting Kyrie until January, right? AD coming off an injury They're not about the he's gonna load manage bro Like it's gonna be nights where it's gonna be it's Cooper's show

Yeah And so we're gonna be able to see right there how he can carry a team how he can get them to rally behind him How whatever they build around we don't see a lot this season because he got the kind of vets over there. That's like Expectation on him too early. No, there's none on him. No. Like you just said, if they go down, right? Right.

He's in a situation like an Orlando situation. Yeah, if they go down. If they go down, right? So my question is, are you battle tested and prepared for that? No. And now if you went to Orlando, you're gonna have to get the shit anyway. That's what I'm saying. to you gonna have to get this shit anyway That's so he's gonna either bro. They'll get the shit beat out of him a couple of times with him Yeah, and that's gonna have to take his legs

That's what I'm saying, but if he got a full team and supporting cast it's harder for you as a rookie Well, you are supposed to be in a learning stage I guarantee you by the time playoff start next year if they're in position either playing or have an actual spot They're gonna be damn near at full strength right then and he's gonna be battle tested enough where they can make a deep enough Playoff run with with with the IQ of the of the a DS and the Kyries if they are the way they should be Well, like they can make some fucking They can make some fucking What he's gonna be learning is very different from what a bottom-feeding guy yeah, he's gonna be getting reps and stuff

He's gonna be learning knowledge and game preparation. Mm-hmm, right something. he's not gonna be able to learn for a few years until you start putting in a system around this person. He comes into the system, so he learns this. It's like going to private school. He's going to private school. So he's gonna learn a whole different type of shit here that public school don't have.

Public school, like this is book knowledge, this is street knowledge, right? At some point He's gonna need to know this to survive at some point. He's gonna need to know books to survive That's all it is. What seems is a public school though. Like what seems is like the hood school Charlotte blazers like all the teams that just stay at the bottom for the last. Yeah, that's fun. It's your bitch ass locker right here.

Put your shit, put your shit. Yeah, y'all don't have lunch. Breakfast is like that. Yeah, y'all don't do food here. Grab you a McMuffin from the lobby. That's crazy, bro. You said some of these things is. Let's keep this thing moving.

Cooper flagged number 32 jersey was already on sale at the Mavs draft party, showing its popularity among the fan base. So one person who remains unpopular in Dallas is general manager, Nico Harrison. He's been the subject to unfavorable chants in Mavs fans by Mavs fans ever since the the Luka trade that continued at the Mavs draft party last night They don't get it do they like

Don't you get it The fire Nico job we thought it was some side a little bit All right, Lee gave y'all the number one big thought y'all pick I got what I wanted just sign Kyrie to a three-year deal Still no love but after drafting flag Nico Harrison told ESPN's Tim McMahon Fortune favors the bold so it certainly was bold to send Luca to the Lakers But at the end of the day the Mavs ended up getting the number one pick taking Cooper flag because of that Should mass fans give Nico a break at this point stall him out if I was a D I'd be kind of like all right y'all come on

it's like damn all right we don't want you, Dusty. Remember that nigga had the beer? Fuck y'all. I mean, because they still in a situation where they can win. So it's not like it's bad. It's like you still have players, you have vets, you have guys who's been to the championship.

So you still have hope. It's not like it's just over. Man. I mean, business-wise, by far as we were just talking about basketball, like, we still got a chance. Yeah, they have like, they suck. People don't give a fuck about that basketball right now, man This is this is how they coping with what happened and they gonna keep saying this shit into that nigga fight

No, I'm saying they better realize it might be four years from now Four years from now these they can win three championships. You gonna steal here them chance I know damn that's like you're gonna say level. Huh that name right there But no damn reason. That name flag is on the same level. That name right there, you shouldn't be happy with that name flag. But when did the Fire Nico chance turn to, that's Fire Nico.

When they win it. When they win it, I'm gonna tell you the truth. Fire Nico. 2003, Detroit, we drafted Darko Milicek instead of Carmelo Anthony. Everybody in the D was like, what the fuck is Joe Dumar doing damn fire Joe do Mars same year We won a championship

Niggas like he's not new to game That's a bad part you know you should have still be a center cuz it's not like the pick did anything right Man what yeah, that's that's that. That's true. That's true. Darko ain't man what? Yeah, that's crazy. Shout out to Darko, man. Shout out to Darko. You know what, she said Darko was nice as fuck. For real? He said Darko was nice as fuck.

The problem with Darko is Darko was new school. 2010, moving on. So if you think about the euros euros wasn't as popular Okay, and so he wasn't like Milicek. Yeah, right or yes a core. He wasn't like a core who was on the team, too He was more finesse style. So he said he was more like a Chris Bosh He said and that's not what that ain't what Detroit was on. No, that's yeah. He wanted he wanted dude to be in the post and Dark was like I don't do the post. Yeah. I'm face up, I'm ISO, I'm this and this and Brown was like yeah, yeah, well sit your

ass down until you learn how to be in the post. He said he was a face up like he was like literally like a Chris Bosh style. Yeah. So she was like that nigga wasn't fucking with him after that and from there he just lost he just lost confidence. He just lost his confidence. But he said when it comes to just talent, he said he had it. He just, it was a wrong, it wasn't the wrong team, it was the wrong coach for him. Because the coach played basketball a certain way, and he needed certain people to do certain things. And the thing he needed Darko to do,

Darko just didn't do it. You know what I think, it was the wrong time too. I think that like, you need a sample size in the league for somebody to be like, he played like, my man. Like somebody who's successful with that. Like you said, Chris Bosh, Chris Bosh hadn't, he hadn't proven it yet. You know what I'm saying?

Like you need a, when you're the first one, you gotta be able to do both things. Do what they need you to do and then incorporate your shit if you want to be able to play. You know what I'm saying? Unless you're just balling. I had a conversation with Darko. Party with him one night in Detroit.

And it was a coach thing. It was simply he did not fuck with coach, coach did not fuck with him. And he was playing behind McDice and Sheed and Ben and all those guys. And he didn't have a problem with them. He had a problem with the coach. Like you could tell like his energy about like playing time. Like he wasn't getting no playing time.

When you get drafted that high, you looking at everybody else playing. You know, you can, but your team good. Yeah. So he would just party. He went a couple other places though, played with some other coaches. It was like the damage was already done. Yeah, yeah. Oh, the confidence, like you said, the confidence, his confidence when we was like

chilling or whatever, he was, bro, he was broken. Damn. Broken, bro, because he came over here, he came over here to play. Yeah. And you have- And they like rookies, right? Yeah, and Lebron hated rookies. Broken bro, cuz he came over here. He came over here to play That's why he is class with Larry was just like oh why you hate him on me that's my wife Larry one of the coaches. Yeah, Larry Larry got into AI publicly about practice and all that shit Some of them coaches is like, you know

They was a part of the show where did he coach Larry Hughes? Yeah You know it was it was it was a part of the show with the equals Larry Hughes Yeah And that's what so Larry Hughes thing Because I and Iverson was a too so he was trying to move Alan Iverson to the toot so he needed a big guard That can guard the toos and so he's trying to make Larry Hughes a point guard and back then being a scorer But having to be in the point guard it was a no-no So he didn't like the idea of Larry Hughes because Larry Hughes didn't want to be the point like you I'm a tool guard Like I'm the slash. I know how to pass the ball to bring it up, but don't don't designate that shit to me

Cuz I want my point guards to be like this like me thinking out there My point guard is to be like this like me thinking out there. Yeah, yeah. That's how it used to be, yo. Think about that. The two guard bring it up, we like, you trying to take the ball out of my hand, bro. No, no. Come get the ball. You pass to me, man.

That's the rule. That's crazy because the mindset today is different. It's different. Yeah, yeah. You got the ball, your point guard. You know, you could be a two or three, you could run the one right now. Yeah. And you'll run the one.

Back then, it's like, it's crazy. You got to run to the corners. But now a point guard has got to be good off the ball right now. And you'll run the one. Back then it's like, it's crazy. You gotta run to the corners. But now point guard's gotta be good off the ball. You know what I'm saying? That's a whole another skill set. Running around them screens, doing all that Rip Hamilton shit and all that step shit. That's a whole another, you know, that shit he did on Chris Paul that one time when he had Chris Paul twisted up. It was like, man, what the hell you, we're point guard. Let's chill. Bring the ball up, man. Let's chill.

Let's bring the ball up, man. You're supposed to be doing too much. We point girl Sure for sure, let's keep this thing moving it's time for our underdog of the week Shout out to underdog. Whoa. Whoa We're cutting the check. We bring you all the best underdog stories of the week in this segment. So Gil, Rashad, and Brandon will each present their nominees and we'll advocate for them. We weren't sure if Swag would be on time today so we didn't give him one. That's not coming from me, it's coming from our staff and underdog Swaggy, not me. I would have gave you an underdog.

I would have gave you an underdog of the week, sir. And the folks at underdog will decide who the winner is. So Gil, we're going to start with you. Gil, who is your underdog of the week? Bear Down Arizona. Even though I didn't know he was from there. Bear down Arizona TJ baby. Oh TJ almost fucked up our celebration. TJ McConnell. So Gil you're picking TJ McConnell did his thing. 20-25 NBA final.

Stepped up on numerous occasions. That's a big third quarter for the Pacers. He lost his second. You know what's funny? Would any of us been mad if they won it and they gave him the finals MVP? No, I wouldn't have been. I wouldn't have been. No, I'm just saying, even though he ain't the best player,

it's like sometimes we gotta look at the impact. So when we think about Chansi, not Chansi, but when Kawhi won his, right? When Iggy won his right when Iggy won his Iggy won his right you you now look at the game a little bit different When yeah, the best players playing like the best player, but he's changing He's literally changing the output of this game like his impact in 15 minutes is like really impactful to the game so I used to know you

but you know what I mean so I used to know you just like Jalen Brown I know what y'all about the game no no no but now but now but now

but now but now but now I get it but now I get it but now I get it now I get it cause you're watching him and you're sitting him he gets in they're down nine Now it's a tie game. He got four steals and two me like you can see like, okay

But hold on though game after game. I wouldn't be mad if they gave it to me I understand it's a brown one They was not finna give Kyrie that MVP for hitting that shot over Steph Even though they coulda but they not gonna fuck up LeBron's run with these with having the double bubble, you know what I'm saying? Like, I mean, like bro, like Gilder said, I would not be mad. To me, it'd feel like if TJ got it, how y'all feel.

If Kyrie would've got that, I'd have been like, ooh, that's crazy. Because, you know, they know what they doing, messing up the dynamic. They saw how high Halle was getting ready to get that Easter conference one and then they And so, you know, it's just like, you know, they know sometimes like yeah, let's let's say Halle a message get his ass hungry No more nine-point games no more, you know I'm saying but it's like But what if it's like it's like y'all saying right now, okay?

TJ McConnell if they win you looking at the game like we were saying before I don't think if SGA We saw my what kind of games he need to have for Jalen Williams not to get it. Yeah, all right Jays, J got a BSGA, but he also gotta be the reason we won. Right? So. Yeah, that triple-double in game six. Tatum, the same way. We like Tatum playing Tatum way, but Tatum not the reason the game has changed where we like, this is the reason we got the edge over them.

And TJ McCollum has always been that type of player. We talk about that with Iggy and those type of players too. Like, you can be a game changer and wait your moment and be like, this is the speed, this is the tempo, how y'all gonna play, I can change the, I can change it. But here's my problem with that. Don't hit me with that face of the league shit and then don't play the game on my part. Though you know I might've had two fucked up games

in this finals, but I'm Jason Tatum, nigga. See, that's my argument. I'm the reason why we here. You know who y'all been, all themator. You'll have me sweating orange all that Like dog, come on Y'all created dynamic, but you don't get rewarded just because of that You signed up to get you signed up for that but that's the disappointment but expectation But like I said, we know that's a LeBron, they wouldn't do it to Magic

No, LeBron did show up though. LeBron showed up. Who scored the six points prior to that to put Kyrie in place to get that shit? They made that decision. I get that, I get that. What I'm saying is Jalen Brown and Tatum in that decision, you had to make them make the decision. You're saying he had two bad games, that's cool. But when we come down to who was the reason that we got here, it's you.

So you don't think Kobe should have got some of them Shaq ones? It's a lot of them. It should have been a little Pepper. It's a lot of them. You know what's funny? If there was Western Conference Finals, MVP, he would have won some of those.

Yeah. Yeah. He would have won some of those. There was reasons for the change game the fight of the game Robert Ory could win some shit in the championship. Hey man, listen. Oh, what was the spurs? He had dispersed The last five points. Yeah the dunk in the game. He just had five. You know what I mean? He had six games. I be hiding them up. The least you can do is that.

With the leg up. That was like, who's guarding the old nigger with the knees? You don't know. That was like the Ray Allen. Like LeBron saved you. That's the least this nigger can do. As much money as we can pay him. Hit one shot.

Say thank you. Do that. Say thank you. That's what we pay him. That's what we pay him for. I just scored 22 straight. That's what we pay him for. That's what we pay him for. That's what we pay him for. That's what we pay him for. That's what we pay him for. That's what can pay him hit one shot. Thank you

So TJ McConnell gills underdog of the week, let's shift over to a shot shot. Who is your underdog of the week? Hmm I've got that fever. I got that fever. Excuse me, brother. She is fine and fierce. Sophie Cunningham. Mm-hmm. She's a new enforcer. She got it. She's fine and she got hands.

What's up? I believe a black belt growing up in Missouri. Oh, she got a black belt? And what's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? I believe a black belt growing up in Missouri. Oh, she got a black belt. What's up? What's up? Get up Yeah, I'm gonna pull your hair no more Don't you text Rashad no more, don't you text him. I'm cool with that hair. That's mine.

Hey man, shut up. Hey man, that's what Caitlyn needed was a crew of believers around her, not them little haters. They had to go, man, I'd have been like, welcome to the league, Caitlyn. All that. Man, I'd have been so cool, man.

Nobody ever thinks, be the cool old head for a change. Nope. No, let's haze the bitch. Like, yeah, I'm making $32 here for a change. Nope. I know that's Hayes the bitch Pick from Michelle right there Sophie Cunningham black belt using those skills to help protect Haley Clark Let's move on to literally took a hit Still grab watch out Then encourage her to do something Last but not least mr. B. Mr. B. Who is your underdog of the week?

I'm gonna go with Kyle Riley He leaves the MLB in 32 homers and call him the big dumper We dumper Seattle Marin big dog of the week. The big dumper. Seattle Mariners. I know black. No black. 32 homers. Switch hitting. Switch hitting catcher. Baseball entertaining Swaggy in the right conditions, in the right mental state. Left and right? I'll have you baseball watch just mental state. Left and right? I'm heavy baseball, watch this Dodgers. Left and right?

Yep. Yeah, I am the dog of the week, but mine would have been the Detroit Tigers. The whole group? The whole group, sitting number one in the league right now. Nobody believes in us. Nobody. Nobody believes in us, look at us.

Temporary. Hey man, hey, number one right now. Yeah, right now. We got this right now. We got the rock. Who's the Hey, right now Dodgers and I forgot the third one a lot of Dodgers in there. Yeah, no Dodgers. I'd you're blue So, okay the folks at underdog have the liberal Liberated long and hard along with the fans who voted on the underdog Twitter account not the gills are gonna count the underdog account And Cal Raleigh has one underdog of the, narrowly beating out TJ McConnell in the Twitter poll.

Stay tuned for what Underdog has planned in the weeks to come. Yo, that off the... Mr. B speaks. How long do I get some Underdog money? Yo, he win. I'm just saying. He ain't beat no fine white girl. I don't know who voted. Who voted?

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Number two and 14 selected Dylan Harper out of Rutgers with the second pick and Carter Bryant out of Gills alma mater, the Arizona university. With the 14th pick. So after Dylan Harper was selected, he got a FaceTime call from Wimby. Yo, what's good? Yes sir, I know you is. My name Dillon, I just got drafted to the Spurs.

I think I'm your teammate now. I think I'm your teammate now. We're lit. Man, we lit, man. This is gonna be fun. Yeah, now we're gonna work for sure. For sure. For sure. Appreciate it. See you later. We should celebrate tonight. I got you, man.

We're gonna work a little for summer league. In and out, wrestle a little bit, and then we're gonna fight. And then we're gonna get back to work, man. Yeah, yeah. For sure, man. I'm gonna catch you later appreciate it Appreciate it my dog. Yes, sir He's taking me in and out and I thought that's what I heard Hey in and out in Vegas like you some relief they do have several locations in the greater Los Angeles area. My name is Vic. My name is Vic.

Boy, your name is Wimpy. I watch Flauntless Mary, motherfucker. After that, they said, man, man, I'm gonna get with you later. I got time to talk to you. Get this motherfucker on the phone. I know who the fuck this nigga is. Acting like I'm a tar. Who's phone is this?

Man, you're Lee Challenger. They're trying to get off the phone three times. Hey, man, I'm calling you back. Hey, man, we lit. We lit. This nigga hanging with these mugs like nobody knows who he is. I'm like, man, I'm gonna get with you. I'm gonna get with you.

I'm gonna get with you. I'm gonna get with you. I'm gonna get with you. I'm gonna get with you. I'm gonna get with you. I'm gonna get with you. I'm gonna get with challenged. They trying to get off the phone three times. Hey man, I'm calling you back. This nigga hanging with these mugs like nobody knows who he is. Mr. Suck, my name Vic. They keep that nigga humidity.

He's like, I am Vic. I too play for the spirits. Brother Sunflower, this nigga the truth. Brother Sunflower. Brother Sunflower is crazy. Wimby on the quest for spiritual enlightenment. He's entering his third season now. Says he's added 30 pounds since coming to the NBA.

He spent some time with some Shaolin monks, getting his mind right this summer. And now we see him welcoming Little Harper. Was he hurt at the end of the season? Yeah, he had a blood clot in his shoulder. So he had to miss the rest of the season. Does he do anything about that? Apparently, some karate and other martial arts to Yeah, the strength in his mind body. So I went in there put that

No, he just went to see Ling Ling and now it's way to go see Ling Ling Better now That's what happens when you get that tension up. Put that tiger ball on him. And the motherfucker goes, woo. Yeah, that's great. It's all better now. I never knew. Somebody up at the middle of the clock. I thought that was going to be like going around. I never knew it was going to be like this. Bling, bling, bling, bling, bling.

I'm telling you. Y'all need to go see the game. So we will get to the Spurs rookies in a second. But let's talk about Wimby. How important is it for Wimby to step into a leadership role with the Spurs in year three? He is a vet now, OG if you will, by some standards. I mean, he's naturally, or not even naturally,

like, you know, with the number one pick being the face, right, if CP's not there, it is now you. Yeah. Right, where especially those young guys looking at you, like they know you're the future, they're rallying behind you, you've improved who you are. And especially on a defensive end, you're still trying to figure out what your offense is, but you've done enough to gain their respect, especially with the Olympic stuff. So coming back for year three, how he approaches training camp is how those guys will follow.

Wait room and all that gang. So you found. Enlightened, spiritual quest. Yeah. Brother knowledge. You still got hair and some arms over there, right? Mm-hmm. He was at the grab party, I think.

So he'd probably be like the kind of like the leader. Be in uniform. I'm excited for the Spurs. They'll be all right. They got a lot of young talent. They got youth. Man. It's like a...

They need Chris Paul now. It's starting to get back popular again. They're not bringing that. To draft your championship roster and grow it. You know what I'm saying? To start working in the years. Yeah. I love the years for those three,

Johnson, Fasel and Sohan, what year they are in. Okay. I think the Spurs, they hit that threshold that every other team hits when they use that development tool for those young players. They had Fox, right? Yeah, I'm confused. This turns into, this is not a young team as we think it is between these three players that they had before Wemby that were young.

Lassell. Who's in? Kelden Johnson. Kelden Johnson. Lassell, year five. Sohan. Sohan, year three. Sohan is going to be year three.

So when we talk about Pop was coaching those teams that didn't have that talent and they were losing and this is the guys that he was Bringing up he was molding them. So when be coming in going into year three Fox Barnes Sohan going into year four You got a bunch of guys who know the league now Like they know what they've been actually all three of them so high on the cell They've been kind of killing in and out of those last three four years making a name for themselves So they built value now you got Harrison and D Aaron Fox will come in and kind of get him direction Yeah, that bad direction. I think if they they're like a big away. I think they get another big to get to back up Wimby They right there. That's crazy

Carter-brant Carter-brant like I'm confused with this pig because Because the castles development Are you? Yeah, are you? Are you really? They're there. Are you planning on bringing them off the bench? And then Harper's your point? But Dylan's not gonna play point.

It's Fox. Dylan's gonna come off the bench like Rob Dillinham. I'm telling y'all right now. He has to. And that's why I don't get this pick. Because you have Fox. Right? You got this pick because you have you have Fox Right, you got Fox and you have Castle now Yes As a shooting guard

Yeah Are you gonna remove him and bring him back off the bench cuz that's what he did most of the year until Fox got hurt But we still got for sale We still got they town and then for sale is whatever he's gonna be but you got Carter who can actually yeah You're you're later picking a start because the position he's in What's our organization? Small forward our organization usually don't really we develop our players Right. So you look at who we got who we bring in listen guy. We know you good, but you have to learn behind him

He gonna have to show you how this go But you have to learn behind him. He gonna have to show you how this go before we just give it to you and let you because I think that time's over for San Antonio. Pop gave it a ring to he was letting them do their thing. But now it's okay. The Aaron Fox showing what a point guard is. Castle you kind of know what we want as a shooting guard. Harrison Barnes show what a small forward is.

Right, Wamby, you get to be whatever you want between four or five right now It's really the okay see model dog like they really changing the game use or like some of y'all not gonna be here But who you gonna go get Your players To you got a bunch of young niggas on the bench. That's crazy. That's really good. That's really good, bro.

But no, it's not because the players are really good. The players are really good, but they're top five. Pick last year, set the bench, didn't get a minute. None. And Gilly. And you know what it means? It's like why do y'all keep picking the same person like you already have it you got Fox you got for sale you got? Stefan Castle you got a lot of it's very packed think about it

That's what I'm saying. So why would I go after Dylan Harper if he becomes something like a Tony Parker if Dylan Harper becomes Tony Parker He's gonna become him under us Like one apart as a last pick he was a last pick in the first round Tony Parker, he's gonna become him under us. We're not gonna let him go to anywhere. But we're not going to be under him. Like, Tony Parker's the last pick. He was the last pick in the first round. But the position he's in, we didn't have it. So he gets to go right in as a starter. That's what I'm saying.

So Dylan, you like, I would have been concerned. Like I want the number two pick, but do I want to go there? I'm still in them, and I know Fox is unstable. Think about Fox being unstable. If I don't know where he lays the foundation of a franchise, let him get two years under Fox and then we figure out what we want to do with him. This is what happens when you put something into the system like low management. You could have broke my, you can break my chain.

Teams are going to start beefing up that second unit, really trying to beef up they bench with a bunch of talent because I mean, oh, injuries are getting way more prevalent. Like stars are sitting out like, you know, like this is what happens. Like this is where it goes. This is not, we started to really see it pop up now in these last few years of teams just stockpiling like talent for no reason. They, they, they do have Wimby. So with Wimby, you can technically run a three guard system Where you can play all three of them play a four that's true And that you so you can't get away with it because you have him But I don't know how long that would be sustainable. So we got check and everything they can Can they can follow that model?

Like six six Hollywood Huh? Like 6'6"? Like 6'6"? Hollywood Harbor! He's a 1-2? He's a 6'6"? So if he's playing a point, he's like, yeah. He's a point 2. So think about this,

he's coming into a situation where these dudes in front of him. Who's in front of him? All those guys. Remembersella, Rook, and the year. All of them. Remember, you a rook. You come back to me. He's only at the point, though.

No, I'm not talking about the guard position, because there ain't going to be no point. There ain't no point guard. We all interchangeable. That's why he said a three guard system. If you think about a three guard system, and you go put him in, I thought he was smaller than that. I didn't know he was six six.

Yeah, he's a good. That changes a lot. So. Yeah. Fox Hart Pagasso. I really see that, that too with Fox, Big Man, Mar Hill and Gar. I think he come off the bench, he play big minutes off the bench and control the second unit man. Because if you put him in there and try to throw him in there over Fox, now that's team

morale type. She's like, bro, let me run this shit. Let me teach this young kid how to do this shit. Don't throw him in front of me and throw him in the fire like that. Did they move? Did they re-sign Fox? I think they might move Fox. They re-signed him I think. They re-signed. I wouldn't throw him in front of me and throw him in the fire like that. I think they move him. They might. Did they resign Fox? I think they might move Fox. They've resigned him, I think.

They resigned. I wouldn't move him. They resigned him, right? I mean, but you already got up. He's under contract. They got him for like another year or something. They didn't extend him? No.

Let me see. In the middle of last year after the trade? He's trying to get to Milwaukee. No, Deere Fox on the last year of his deal. So he's extending Elwood for now. So they picked him up. They got Devin Vasellas. They picked him up as a safe way. Vasellas under contract through 2029. So you can take your look. So they pick up as a safe.

Okay. That's the same way. So now the contract through 2029. Okay. So that makes sense. Now you got you got your two guards. You got Castle and Dylan moving forward with Wimby. So they're still in development. What would have been Fox start his balls out with this squad. You remember he's up. They probably to move. He probably move himself. Yeah, because I don't need to pay. Yeah, and he probably don't want to be there, but they have bread to do so. Now. But what I'm saying is I don't have to because now I got I got my future one and my future small forward. Yeah, but you're already having established garden near Fox and what I'm saying you Yeah, you are you asking if you should be wanting to resign?

Hey, I have I think it's a good position for them to be in basis. Hey, how about this? I got Ricky Davis at my small for okay, and I just drafted LeBron James 21 points a game He's averaging 21 points a game Before LeBron got there if you never not, remember he was like somebody's like, yeah, so you're gonna be robbing him, Batman. I'm a beat, I'm a beat. He is a point guard.

All I'm saying is the Spurs are in a good position right now. They are, they can make another move. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's a hybrid. Great problem. If I can let C.P. walk. So those two can be.

He can go. Those two can be my guard. We can develop this, Harper and let him get it here. Swag, I hear what you're saying. That changes me too, because it's like, if you draft him, and he's the same as Castle, and you draft a shooting guard- He drafts a shooting guard. But if it's like what Gil's saying, if you're going to draft him to be the point guard,

because he can play the point guard, that's a different thing. I want my point guard to be six. Like Marlowe says, one of those lefty right one of those good problems to have Crafty like he he he under like he's a basketball player like he knows what he's doing Right. He's like um last year Philly. Oh, okay. He's like McCain. He's like that type of guard like he knows So you gonna pay him 200 this summer? See, I trained Harper before. To win 28 games?

I trained Harper before I gave up Fox. It's proven. Fox is proven. Your team is too young for Fox. It's too young. It's too young. Everybody's proven. Yeah, you dropped the blame. I'm not, you can get it. I just got here. I got an all-star in my hands.

And you need somebody that's gonna control them young niggas. You need somebody who's gonna control the floor. Hey, I got this. Relax, in my hand. And you need somebody to control them. You need somebody who's going to control the floor. Hey, I got this. Relax. Bro, I've been here. Give it to me. You're going to pay him $200 to win 34 games? I can do that with this nigga. I just dropped him. 34 games.

You're the number two. This is a playoff team. We need to go with this team. 21. 21. Right. This is a playoff team. Oh sure with this team, but what I'm saying 21 21 20 21 I'm gonna pay 20 and be in a I'm gonna pay 27 year old a hundred twenty something million with these when these when these guys about they're gonna be up at some point When B's gonna come up the castles gonna come up this money's got this money's gonna come up What would I waste it on Fox Who is Fox on this coming up?

We don't know what they gonna be. What I'm saying is Fox is Fox right now. Right now. Top what? Five point guards in the league? But my team, my team, my team can't do nothing with Fox. We're not in a position to play Fox. But what we ain't seen what we can do with Fox. What I'm saying is, but what I'm saying is... Fox is top five in the league. But what we ain't seen what we can do

I was a I'm saying that I'm like Team right now Go to go to Boston help them over to go to the Lakers go help if that's where Fox is right now Fox is not on a bottom feeding young 15 and 17. a function a bottom-feeding young team. That's not where Fox needs to be Okay, so see fighting for a hundred to put him in Dallas. That's where he needs to be see people No, you gotta take off in a second. So I want to get you know, he's top six So see people you got to take off in the same We want to give you some love. Sunday after 6, your comedy special out on DEEP right now.

Tell the people what they can expect when they check it out. Man, it's just funny, man. You know what I'm saying? I ain't talking about nothing political. I don't give a damn about who, doing what, and whatever. That's not my style, man. I talk about funny life shit and just good ass stories, man. I don't need the newspaper to do what I

gotta do you know I'm saying so the hospital shit is the funniest shit you fuck with that scene in my life bro yeah you know and they're more acting stuff on the way to man you know yeah thank you for not You put on a cast for it. That's funny, that's funny. Yeah, yeah, me and Ryan used to go at it on cast for it. That's true. Yeah. Eww. Damn, God damn. That nigga wore a shirt that said, I beat CP.

I'm like, bro, I win. You know what I'm saying? Well, got a lot of time to respect for you. Thank you for not roasting any of us, but Comedian CP, we appreciate you. Nah, man, I ain't roast nobody. All right, thank you, I appreciate you. We appreciate you pulling up to Gills Arena

presented by Underdog. Whoop, whoop, we gotta get you back in your arena. Nobody How did you feel when he was wearing those shirts I felt great But if he felt like he means you didn't make you feel like that again that's fucked up you say he really be And then you just knew. But he didn't really know. Bro, listen. Wow. Listen, bro, we lawyers. I was fighting ridiculous cases, right? Some shit you just not going. But it's like, bro, I'm in your head, man.

I'm in your head. I would never get a shirt saying I beat Ryan because it's expected for me to beat Ryan. You never show up here with one crown on thinking you beat me. Exactly. Thank you. Exactly. Oh, so, okay, so this is like a whole thing. That was you. You picked an interesting guy to come to your rental.

That's called full circle. Pay your respect to a dead body. We did have a funeral before you left. I was worried about the shovel and the flowers. There was a funeral. We all was wondering. We all was wondering. We all was wondering. Exactly what you just did. I'm at a funeral. I buried somebody yesterday.

Exactly. We are the...yeah. Did you get buried bro? Did you get buried? Did he beat you? Now I'm going to give me some shirts. I beat Cemetery Larry. I'm the best. KBB. CP appreciate you pulling up.

Comedian CP make sure you check out his special Sunday after six on big shout out. See, he shout out. Okay. Hard. That was comedian CP. So we've been talking a lot about the rash of injuries going on in the league, specifically all these Achilles injuries that we've seen.

So our next guest is making his first virtual visit to the arena. Award winning journalist and founder of True Hoop, he led ESPN's 60% digital imprint team which published several groundbreaking articles and won a national magazine award. These days you can get his new book, Ballistic, the New Science of Injury Free Athletic Performance, Henry Abbott. Welcome to Gills Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Thank you for having me, you guys. The legend, true hoop legend. So congrats on the release of your book. We have the cover here for any of the fans who are interested, we wanna give you your love. First, make sure the fans can see the copy of the book. Make sure they can go out there and get it in the near future. But I wanted to ask you, what was the inspiration behind writing your new book Ballistic?

To be totally honest, it was the pandemic and everything I was writing about was like a bummer. There was no basketball being played. And I've been covering this league since college and you know, everybody gets hurt, right? I I mean I was by some measures it's a hundred percent injury rate in this league and then I went through my own crap right. I have a bad back and my hip is weird and I try to be athletic too and I just found that like we were all kind of getting bad answers like you're trying to find some physical therapist or massage therapist or kinesiologist and nobody knows how to keep healthy. And so I was thinking about that problem and there's this guy, this Marcus Elliott, this

lab called P3 in Santa Barbara, maybe some of you have been there, but they're taking a really systematic approach to assessing exactly how we move and they have a giant database of biomechanical movements and they're teaching people how to avoid injury. And it seemed like a pretty, like a much more sunny thing to think about in the pandemic than all the crap that was going on. So I asked called up and asked if they let me write a book about them. They participate and they said yes. And now we're here.

Well, we appreciate you checking that out. So we saw three superstars in Damien Lillard, Jason Tatum and Tyrese Halliburton suffered torn Achilles during these NBA playoffs. From your work on this book, what do you think is going on across the NBA? I think there were seven Achilles injuries this season, eight if you include the Nassas who suffered I believe in the offseason. But what do you think is going on in the league right now with all these Achilles injuries? So I don't know.

When I first dialed in, I was on the phone. That was literally Marcus Elliott, the founder of P3, like giving me the update on like their latest findings in the data of like3, giving me the update on their latest findings in the data of what they think is going on. And here's what they know. So they have 1,200 NBA players, past and present, have gone through there and been assessed. They have a million data points per athlete.

And what they find basically is every injury they study in detail, there's some kind of biomechanical movement pattern that is upstream. It happens before that, right? And so for ACL tears, the number one thing is landing on the outside of your foot and then having your weight roll to the inside. 100% of the players who in their study who tore their ACLs land that way, right? What's interesting though, they haven't done a big Achilles study because they've only had nine.

In all of the years they've been doing this, only nine players have torn their Achilles that they studied. But what's interesting is that that same exact movement pattern is associated with the Achilles injury. So they're not willing to say this is something where they have a smoking gun, but it seems like the answer is teaching players how to land, which they find is productive in preventing all kinds of injuries, which we want you to, it's called stiffening your ankle, right? You get stronger muscles in your lower leg, so you're more likely to land on the ball

of your foot with the toes up, your ankle strong, your ankle not flopping around, your leg not flopping around. If you land like that, it seems like you're less likely to get all kinds of injuries, and especially this one. So oh yeah, I mean, I do a lot of performance training with a lot of the guys I used to teach. I haven't taught in a while. But apply metrics.

But it sounds like you're telling me as far as what guys need. And I seen that when we were I think we're in Vegas when we were watching the guys training in a Room and then you know weight room was seeing and I was looking and talking to the guys in Chicago the guys and I'm like What are you guys doing like, you know, you can tell because I teach landing I teach landing. I teach ankle flexibility, calf mobility.

Everything starts from the calf and down and the ankle up. So when you have that strength in those extremities, you can tell that there be no injuries, even in MCL, PCL, ACL, all of those things. You can talk, get into glute activation with the VMOs, all that stuff. So I look at players now and I look at their frames and I look at when you talk about landing and then explosion right back up, they're not being taught that they're not even interested in it.

They don't understand it. And that's causing a lot of people to stay on the band work and get away from the real explosion and the technique of it all. Can I ask you a question? Okay, so when you look at these guys and all of the explosions is happening when they're taken off, right? Right? Right? They do the negative step where one leg goes back then they're trying to push off of it. Track is kind of like the same movement, but no one's tearing their Achilles off the start. So,

is there something that they need to be following that track is doing for that back support that basketball movement just doesn't do You are thinking exactly like the dude who founded p3 He loves like every elite track athlete lands with their foot with the toes up and there which makes you instantly Activate your Achilles and then your quads and your glutes. So the force of landing is spread between these three joints, right? In basketball, like the reason every athlete does that in track is because if you don't, you won't be fast enough to make the Olympics, right?

Like this is the way to move fast. In basketball, you might make it to the league with a good handle, good court vision, being a bunch of ways, right? You don't have to be good at this exact thing to make it. So, but that's what you should do. That's how you want to move. All right. Just was talking to Marcus about this and he was saying that, you know, a theory that he would want to investigate is these guys who have had sore calf muscles, right? So they've done something, you know, probably

the same biomechanics that threatened their achilles earlier threatened their calf, right? So they've done something, you know, probably the same biomechanics that threaten their achilles earlier threatened their calf, right? So they've hurt something, they've strained something, which means that the muscles that should absorb like the force of that tough landing behind you and slow your foot down as it goes into dorsiflexion, they call it, they're not slowing it down. So your foot is, your lower leg is flying into this extreme position at a higher speed which puts more force in your Achilles than if you had those muscles working properly. I found also that muscle stabilization for those ankle and those calf fibers Come with activating all of those weak muscles So a lot of times when you land you got those weak muscles on those explosion points because you ain't really

You don't know how to work those muscles. Yeah, right, especially if you're not training just like golf You start swinging the wrong way you wake up in the morning your shit fucked up You like feel paralyzed But once you start doing it enough you strengthen in those weaker muscles that even when you sprain your ankle if you got enough ankle strength you can bounce right back up right and even if you do a mid sprain or a mild sprain you can be full strength in the morning if you ice and do it right that's if you've already been training it so I think the guys that went away from

a lot of the plot metrics that I learned in high school, that we carried on in college, that it was free for us to do in the pros because now you got your own regiment. But now I don't know what these guys are doing because a lot of guys aren't as explosive as they should be not based on their natural given abilities, but the shit that you've worked towards, that

training shit. Like you got what you came in here with, but what did you build on? Let's see what the build was now. Like I don't see none of that. So I think that's a lot of maintenance for injury prevention is one thing, but if you're not building to be stronger, it's going to fuck up. What about those insoles in your shoes that make your feet stronger right? So there's a whole chapter of the book about shoes and basically like nothing's good like the shoe research there is not research that shoes have ever prevented a sports injury, right? They might, but it hasn't been researched that way.

And like for a lot of the exercises that they do at P3, they have NBA players in there working out really hard, but they ask you to take your shoes off because a lot of shoes put your heel up and your toes down, which increases injury risk for explosive landings. So yeah, I mean, shoes are kind of a sad story and I think that we'll have better stuff in the future once they really start doing biomechanical research

about what actually correlates with better performance and healthier athletes. But right now, I don't think we have the research on it and I think everyone's kind of making it up. Yeah, I mean, yeah, when you just think about it in history, like most of the guys who actually get off the ground Yeah, I mean, yeah, like when I when you just think about in history like Most of the guys who actually get off the ground with explosion Nothing there is

Usually guys that are in the middle of taking off Like so when you think about the Jordans and all these guys who's flying Strong ass ankles right there ankles as strong as shit for them to go up and come down and go so it's like there's nothing there But it's it's on taking off. So it's like They're playing on feet like it's like, you know, do you should you focus more on? Like working on your feet movement Right working on your feet stability like doing a lot of sand work and shredding up those ligaments around the foot. Brian just need to... Because, you know, like I said, I ran track in high school.

So I was tracked before basketball. So, you know, the things that we did walking on our heel to shredding up our shins, so we didn't have shin splints. So I'm thinking about all those movements I didn't, we didn't do as a group in the NBA. And I'm like, well, I didn't have ankle sprains, I never wore tape, but my ankles are strong enough because I always did the same exercises.

So I'm trying to figure out if they start implementing those back in, could that help? I don't know. Yes, I think the answer is yes, I think it's exactly that. Everything the track guys do is good, right? if they start implementing those back in, could that help? I don't know. Yes, I think the answer is yes. I think it's exactly that. Everything the track guys do is good, right? Everybody at P3, they start with a dowel test.

So you take like a piece of metal on the ground and then you just jump horizontal back and forth across it as many times as you can at eight seconds. And if they see that you're landing well with your toes up and you're absorbing force in your hips, etc Then you move to bigger plyometrics eventually after you know weeks and months you get to like five Tall plyometric boxes in a row like 48 inches or whatever and you just go boing You don't even touch it. You just jump clear over all in a row massive forces, right?

If you land with good form this would cause an injury, but they want you massive forces, right? If you land with good form, this would cause an injury, but they want you to train that, right? They want you to be neurologically elite in how you put your feet on the ground and how you absorb force and how you spring to the next one. And once you get that real training, which is built on weeks and months and years, then you're ready to prevent injuries, right?

Now you're ready to attempt to lay up, get bumped in the air, and then put your foot out in a way that you don't even think about, but that's not going to tear your Achilles or your ACL. So Commissioner Adam Silver was asked about all these Achilles injuries going on in the league before the draft yesterday, and here was his answer. We are looking at it, and in fact we had already convened a panel of experts before Tyrese's most recent Achilles rupture. So we had seven this year, we had zero last year under the exact same circumstances and the most we've ever had in a season is four. NFL has had a rash of

Achilles issues as well so the purpose of convening those experts is to try to figure out what's going on. You know, it's interesting, when we look back at the last 10 years, the majority of the Achilles injuries have happened before the All-Star break. So it's not clear it's the number of games. And as you know, modern NBA players, even when they're not playing games,

sometimes in the summer, they're working harder than they are during the season, when they're playing three games a week. They're often playing every day. Some experts think it may have more to do with youth basketball, may have as much to do with what they do from 10 to 19. Increasingly, they're single sport athletes. These guys train also harder than... When I talk to veteran players now, I was talking

to Andre Wigala the other day, the head of the Players Association. He's counseling a lot of these players that they need more rest on their body in the off season. I mean, you've got guys working three times a day, so I'm hopeful that by looking at more data, by looking at patterns, you know, this is one area where AI people are talking about how that's going to transform so many areas. The ability with AI to ingest all video that a player, of every game a player's played in to see if you can detect there's some pattern that we didn't realize that leads to an Achilles injury, whether it's associated with calf injuries, we really don't know. But we're taking it very seriously.

So we heard what Adam Silver said, but Henry, I gotta ask you, how preventable are most of the injuries that we are seeing today? A lot. I mean, a lot of things are are fundamental. I don't want to make fun of Adam I think he's a good commissioner and everything but like didn't seem a little like he was like, oh, it's it's youth basketball everybody else's fault, but Just turn off the lawyer for a second, you know, it's also possible playing NBA basketball causes Achilles injuries, right? It happened on TV. We saw it.

Ten to 19. Ten to 19. The poor ring comes in the league. No, I get it. But yeah, the league also has a 10-year relationship with this place, P3A, with the book about, and I think this panel is going to find out that the best way to ascertain what happens to cause injuries is the place that's 30 years into studying that exact best way to ascertain what happens to cause injuries is the place that's 30 years into studying that exact thing with granular movement data.

They're not going to find the answer from an epidemiologist in population studies and wherever they're going to use. They're going to find it from exactly how Tyrese Halberton puts his foot down and how his hips bend and all this stuff in the weeks and months and years before, right? This is where the trainable preventions are for all of these things. So it's coming. Like, you know, I think this is coming to all of us the whole different way.

We're not going to use MRIs anymore to figure out who's at injury risk. We're going to use how healthy players move and see just like we do with heart attacks, right? If you go to the doctor now, they know if you're at risk for a heart attack 10 years before and they start addressing it before. We're going to start doing that with these injuries. They're already doing it in Santa Barbara for a bunch of NBA players right now, where we're just going to look and see, look, your big risk is in your right hip or someone else's

big risk might be in their left calf, but they're going to train you away from your biggest risk thing so that we won't get injuries down to zero. But there's a guy, there's a guy named Jeremy Betel who's in the book who took this kind of practice to the NHL team in Toronto. And they had zero, with all these screenings all the time and they kept checking how everyone's moving and they had zero non-contact injuries during the years he was there. So like I think we can have way fewer injuries in sports if we do this smarter. Well, I hope we do Henry because obviously we enjoy watching high-level basketball with high-level players

So I hate to see all these guys are gonna be missing extended time in this year But we appreciate you so much for taking time out of your schedule to pull up to gilzerina presented by the dog Available now wherever you get your books Henry Abbottott, the legend, appreciate you coming on, man. Thank you very much, that was fun. Thank you. True hoop. True hoop. True hoop.

Appreciate you. They know ball. But let's keep this thing moving. Let's shift back over to the NBA draft. We gotta talk about one of the biggest story lines that happened at the draft last night. So we talked about how Ace Bailey didn't work out to meet with, or didn't work out to meet with any teams ahead of the draft reportedly making him

the only US-based prospect that chose to go that route. Well it was reported that Bailey had a list of preferred destinations in mind with that strategy which did not include the Utah Jazz but he ended up being selected by the Utah Jazz. So here's a photo of Bailey on stage with Commissioner Adam Silver after getting drafted to Utah. I'll let you be the judge at his look. Very, I think in shock perhaps.

Beautiful moment. We have zoomed in on the face. This is his draft day moment, fifth overall pick. Danny Ainge said, you coming anyway. Laquan Dickey. So in his press conference, Bailey was asked if he knew the jazz had interest in him. Here was his response.

Just a blessing, I mean, to look here at me smiling hard right now because I know the hard work, the sacrifices, the blood, the sweat, the tears, not just from me, but my family put into this. So to look at me and just smiling at me right now. So I the hard work, the sacrifices, the blood, the sweat and the tears not just from me but my family put into this so to look at him and just smiling at me right now so I'm just blessed to be here. Have they had any idea, any interest in you? No idea.

Perhaps he may have had an idea if he actually met with him prior to the draft. He knew where he was going. This is easy. So when asked if he was happy to be in Utah, here's what the prospect out of Rutgers said. I mean, I can control what I control, so how they feel, how they feel. But my team and me, just me focusing on the basketball and them doing what they doing, so it happens. I'm also noticing what the draft has. They seem like they should have an extension in the back for guys with long hairs.

It's hard to put them things on, man. This is your draft moment. Happy to me. So despite the reports of Bailey not wanting to go to Utah, president of basketball operations, Austin Ains told ESPN about Bailey. We really like him as a player and fit in our program. So based on the information that we have,

did Ace Bailey play himself throughout this draft process Nothing the people that said he wasn't gonna get drafted played him We knew he's gonna get drafted Where was gonna like who said he wasn't gonna get drafted? I said it was gonna fall fall to where So probably hell no, He was going to six! Hey, where is five?

Utah! Who has that team? Who controls that team? Danny H. Ownership. D-Wade is a part of the ownership group. The city owns it, right? Mm-hmm. They're not a part of the collective association. They're like New Orleans.

They on the outside. If they want to send a message, like we saying, send him a message. Send who? Ace. You're not bigger than the league. Ryan's a little older. If you let this go where you want shit go, you're going to deal with it for the next 10 years.

So they had to nip it in the bud at some point. But he got all the way down to five. He didn't get to go where he wanted to go. Yeah, which was six. So, you know, he went far. He got close. Because he didn't think they was going to have interest in him. So that's a league team is like, get him.

And we'll figure it out. Wait, so you just pick them just to send a message? Yeah, figure it out. What's the message? They were high on bail. That you'll have to play here. Remember the old shit back in the day? I just to send a message? Yeah, figure it out. What's the message? Well, they were high on baby. That you'll have to play here. Remember the old shit back in the day?

I'll have to play here? Yeah. Remember the shit when you got drafted to your team, you got to play? I don't give a fuck if you like it here or not. You going to play. But why would you draft me somewhere and I don't know? You're the best available.

But I'm too old for that. Yeah. If I'm Utah Jazz, I'm doing it. You're the best available. I got to get you. I don't care what you think or where you want to go. Yeah, if I'm if I'm you told you I asked I'm doing it You know my best of a little I gotta get you I don't care what you think or where you want to go boy. You can come over here with us Yeah, you gonna learn to like it here. I get you for four years. I don't matter you don't learn like you're not gonna force me to trade You got it worse than that. I mean I know that's what I said. Everyone knew where he was going. He was going to DC He I think he wanted to go to the Wizards or get it Brooklyn at eight

But there were he wasn't going to be on the Brooklyn. So he didn't care about the money that he's losing in the draft. His destination was DC. If they pass on him, then he's trying to get to Brooklyn. Because whatever he lost in the draft, he was getting that shit in shoe contract money just being in Brooklyn.

So those were the two teams that he wanted to go to. It's a power move. They was trying to make a power move. Well, Utah's great for them. So Utah, because he's in there like, I just hit it one more. But you know the reason why? Because AJ's coming next year.

But still, they could have played again. I don't want to play again. That's why I didn't work out for them. Yeah. It don't matter. I did it on purpose. I didn't work out for you. Damn.

Get the memo, nigga. Don't pick me. you damn get the memo nigga don't pick me but but you think the workout was gonna trump all the tape that we have on you at Rutgers that's what I was saying right here I'm like bro what are you talking you don't need to see me you see my tape I'm crazy. I'm crazy. I'm crazy. I'm crazy. He should have fucked with me. Now you get to meet me. He should have just went to the workout. Y'all can have the workout with two asses and you wanna back down. He should have just went there and got cooked.

Oh hell no. Fucked up a minute. He should have just got cooked. Oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Nobody can do that. Mentally you can. Yeah mentally man. I know you can't.

I mean you can dog a workout. You can dog a workout. You can go to the workout and then not then no no You can't beat but you know, you just out here. This is like Eat a lot eat a lot of shit before the workout or something the farting and shitting and yeah, throw it up and shit Okay, I mean it and I mean at that point you go there You might as well just go keep let me just amen Dylan. Come on, man. Let me get my number two pick back Should I went to this one for you? Let me go ahead go to the goddamn spurs man. I'm sorry y'all I went to this one for you. They're gonna go ahead go to the goddamn spurs, man. I'm sorry y'all

This is not one of the places I was thinking about going Paul George still Think about the Spurs and Philly This is a good fit even if he like it or not. Yeah, for him to play. Yeah, I don't want to be in Philly because you already you have a team. Cool. I don't want to be there. I've already talked to Washington.

I mean man, I mean, I'm good. I'm good. I hear what you say too. Like how was it? All forward. You get to you get to put a glass you got like every night. They can't they can't afford to hear what you say too. How was it? It's all forward. What's all that? You get to put up shots. You the guy. You got to play every night. They can't afford to not play you over there.

Every night. Give me the ball. Listen, man. Listen. Yeah, he can turn into Lil KD. He can turn into Lil KD. He should have this every night. Every night. Yeah, I can beat Donovan Mitchell.

Sure. So do we think? I hear balling niggas say I'm overrated and I can't be the number one option. For three years. That's what I want my legacy to be. Three years. I'm out here, I'm just 25, and niggas say I'm overrated and I can't be the number one option. That's what I want my legacy to be. I'm out here after 25 niggas like that nigga trash. Like, yeah. I'm out here 50, 50, 50 niggas like yeah that nigga trash.

I don't want that for my life. That's not real. I don't want that for my life. That's not real. I don't want that. You didn't hear what he said the other day. It was a day and a half ago. He picked that same guy and it's not real. That's not real. I don't want that. You didn't hear what he said the other day. It was a day and a half ago. He picked that same guy in his top five.

Yeah, yeah. Because the East, the East is open this year. Top five. So you went from being trash. I've been doing this for eight years. Got to give me some time. Ten years. Give me some time.

Ten years. I'll become your top five in some time. Give me some time. Listen, everybody out in the East, you got a good chance. Give me some time. I'll be in top five. It's been ten years again. Listen, everybody out in the East, he got a good chance. It's been 10 years again. Listen, everybody out in the East, he got a good chance next year. It was number one last year.

Hey, I hear Drew Hanlon, you better leave me alone. Damn. Mr. B, it's a sent a warning out. Listen, all right, every time you say something, somebody get, somebody leave me alone. Leave Mr. B alone. No, no, no, no, no. Every time he say something back, somebody want to stoop down, go down. No, no, no, listen to what I'm saying. Leave me want to listen to what I'm saying. Leave me alone.

This is what I'm saying when we talk about Donovan Mitchell. Every year his rookie season is his worst average in 20.5. Made the playoffs. So as a rookie 20.5 4 is is his worst numbers And he's a two-time all-mba player. That's it Right now if he retired he's scratching to try to be a Hall of Famer Adjunct ways in every year average 20 something every single season Playoff food. He got the first team this year for the first time and he's been in the playoffs every year. Every year. Every year in the playoffs. Damn. So we feel like Jazz sending the message. You don't want to go to no small city. Jazz sending the message. They don't treat you right.

The Jazz sending the message to Ace Bailey, we don't care what you want. I was gonna say boy but the internet's been on me the past couple days, but we don't care what you want boy I'm gonna play here So Quinn dick and I don't work if I'm you but we think he stays. I'm doing the same thing See I wanted to go to Miami, too. I want to go to the Knicks. I'm with the Minnesota You think I'm gonna say you want to go to the Clippers? Yeah, where did you want to go? I want to go to LA. Where did you want to go coming out of college into the draft? be honest, I need her

I'm gonna be on yeah five teams with almost wanted to hear I mean I mean I Wasn't that big to be thinking about like picking tea. They could just draft me I but what team would you like to go play to work then Lakers? I don't even know they had to pick Go play. Then Lakers. I don't even know they had a pick 2001 back to back to back No, so you want to be sitting right there the Devon they want to sit right there that mofo Devon George, yeah With the rings no, they won't it was on three in a row. No, I wouldn't they were three in a row then I don't think they had a pic that they didn't have a pic. So no second

Cuz I trust me I oughta known a nigga who got picked in Fuck got picked there The Knicks at seven with Dan Tony, but you got drafted by Milwaukee showed up to work If I pick Jordan Hill, they not have been like pinball boy. They picked him at 7 My career would have been pinball the baby with a ring at summer league digging on the shit was happening Who won't this or he walked in listen? The reason I wanted to be a Laker broke listen when I listen y'all got your heart brother if you went to the pyramid and played in summer league and watched the Lakers come

through, the way he walked in the building, you would have thought he was goddamn Shaq. Like damn, look at, look at damn. An assortment of work from the south. Damn, I don't even know who he is. But he's a man right now. Mike Pemberty. We're coming to get you a jumper. Out there with a flamethrower.

We'll come get you the Pemberty. He was Lemon Daddy before Lemon Daddy, but then get me daddy time He was original predecessor to Caruso and lemon dad. Yeah, he was a Caruso and limit that he was the white man They came through there Soon as I was the first superstar I see the summerly Mike Pemberton It was him and then all of the clippers like all of the Clippers just match his energy That's how big he was. I was like damn man. I just want to be on that team How do we how do we see this situation playing out for ace Bailey?

You saw there's not a bad spot for him to be in to at least get a number at a bad Potentially be the man jazz or up-and-coming squad. Reality is reality man. You gotta play. Just who? You in the league. Be grateful. You can leave when you're free agent. There's a lot of dudes who don't get picked. So you are going to a situation where you can play. A lot of dudes do no name. Cody Williams brother. Who the coach? Hardee? No. Somebody new. We don't know nothing about them over there. We're in the two big right? Collins Collins is the college. Yeah. What position?

What? He's nice. Yeah. They got the garden. Collier is Isaiah Collier. So marketing John Collins Walker. Castle Laker. So John he's on the roster right now.

So the floor. Okay. He might be coming to LA as well. Or no Walker Walker's a three who's a three. No. It. Collins has come off the bench. Huh? Who's our small four? Laurie Marking there right now.

KJ is a starting small four. Marking is a four, right? He plays a three. He's playing a three right now. So Marker. Wow. They have Collins listed. He just signed up.

So at the four, right? So they got Marking at the three. Marking. Who's the shooting guard? He's been running around with that three game. Colin Sexton. Colin Sexton. Starting at the two?

Yeah, I didn't want to. I'll be mad too if I'm going to the end. I'm not mad at all. Although, a fine city. I'm playing with marketing. I'm playing with marketing. Who you playing in front of? Sexton?

Some of those people will not be there. We playing in front of marketing? He's a three. This is the position you play. But even if I'm coming off the bench to start the season and prove myself Let me get in coach. You're gonna have to put me in eventually. We gonna work you go out here man. We go work No matter if they team suck there's a nigga in my position. Oh for sure The position I am that's a best player no No, he's not come on. That's the best player

But what he's not playing the fucking he plays no not what he plays the three who they said See now you want to move the small for the center Walker Kessler But he'll be coming to LA very soon if we trade for We trade for cancer, but right now Three do something three There is it don't the record nothing no matter what the record is it's the people that's there And I just thought I don't get that they're gonna get rid of they they really gonna get rid of this my All-star I'm gonna bench him for the rookie come on. No, no no, not the all-star, but the rest you niggas can move. Yeah

So now I gotta play my small like I can only put him at the shooting guard Markland before he don't move it around but that I'm not but he wants to play Mark Lee and him I want to put it like so then I gotta put what Kessel or Colin? No, because we call it I just signed Collins to three is interchangeable I'm playing section at the one and letting ace play to tune Marketing that to three Collins and then you still got Keontae George though You know, you can have a reason he didn't work out for them niggas man. I mean, I'm not drafting over and we picked you. All right. Well, let's keep this thing move. So we asked the chat did ace Bailey play himself 65% of the chest says yes,

we shall see. We'll see what he does at summer league what he does next season to jazz make some moves and how it's working out. Yeah, I got it right. But now we're gonna pick like it doesn't say if I'm in the number one, I'm gonna pick number one. I'm gonna pick number one. I'm gonna pick number one.

I'm gonna pick number one. I'm gonna pick number one. I'm gonna pick number one. I'm gonna pick number one. We'll see what he does at Summer League, what he does next season if the Jazz makes some moves and how it's working out for him. How did he play himself? He got dropped there. Yeah, I got it. Right. But now he's a number two pick. Like that's what I'm saying. If I knew him. He wasn't a number one, two pick.

He was. No, he was a number two pick. Man, I think Harper number two, it'd be fucking weird. Okay, I'm not arguing with you. You're right. Thank you. Learn to do that. Shut the fuck up.

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underdog NBA account, very engaged in rehab, expected to be ready right around training camp. So right around also in quotation, very engaged and right around also in quotation. So right around training camp is open to interpretation. Right around. Right around training camp. So it looks like the Sixers are adding Edgecombe to a roster with a healthy MB, Paul George, Tyrese Maxey, and Jerrod McCain, who was probably the rookie of the year front runner last season prior to getting injured. So are you sold on this current Sixers roster?

I can show you one too. With a very engaged MB. If they're healthy. He's very engaged Embiid. And they're healthy. He's very engaged. I mean, if they're healthy, yeah. The way the East is, the East is open. So the Bucs, they don't have Dane. Indiana Pacers, they're not going to come back the same

without Tyrese. So if they are trying to make a run or try to make a run at it, this is the time this year. I think for Cleveland too and the Knicks, all of them, this is the time for you to try to go get it. So if he's very engaged and... Very engaged and he'll be ready right around training camp. I mean this is your best opportunity for me to meet next year for you to try to win a championship or come out of the East. Very engaged and beat in his rehab,'ll be ready right around training camp.

So let's move over to Sonny. Sonny, are you sold on this current Sixers roster? Is the process to be trusted? What do I call it? You call it processed meat. What is that, good for you or bad for you? In general, processed meat is not the most ideal option in the right situation the seasoning

Dogs and you know, but when you talk basketball They want to pass on that type of shit. You want to be shitting all the time. It does Constipation it does. Yeah, that's just you're out onto the podcast is and shit It doesn't like it keep your stomach right. No, you're not rolling. I Wouldn't I told you Philly's a fucking funeral Yeah, but even with like even with all the teams that are not coming back strong. You still don't think they make They gonna find a way to fuck it up The city love a game more than the players It's a very passionate fans in Philadelphia. This is not for you. We respect your passion. Oh the Phillies deserve it

They were not the Super Bowl then they own high horse, right? They like man what so they should be trying to make to get all three of them out. Ah Or keep it just keep Tyrese How many times have they been in a rebuilding stage? Well, it's been a process. It has been a process. So I'm just saying, you know, on the computer when that shit just keep circling? The buffering signal.

Right, how long you gonna let that motherfucker keep doing that before you realize you need to start the whole shit over, unplug it, the whole nine? The problem is instead of cutting it out every like 2% more like I got it. I got it. It's loading. I'm at 98% my right hand then you see error. That 98% then you got to start all the way over again.

Yeah, it's at 98%. Yeah, it was right there. It's right there. Swagger, are you sold on the current Sixers roster? No, hell no. I need to start giving out chicken pizza again at the games. Chicken pizza? Chicken Pete? No, chicken Pete. Chicken Pete? It's like chicken, filet, cheese sandwiches. Oh my God. It's chicken peak. Chicken peak. Chicken peak. Yeah.

Oh. It's probably real best thing in everything about the game in Philly. Chicken peak. Chicken. Yeah, cause you did play in Philly. He did? Yeah, I gave him like 35.

Practice facility was at an LA fitness. I gave him like 30 threes on the bench. Practice facility was at an LA fitness. I promise you. Chickies in Philly.is and people have their own practice facility. They have a facility now. Alan Iverson has a statue at the I Was working out on the machines Media y'all should now apologize to Alan Iverson again because ain't no way that superstar was going to LA fitness it's a gym membership yeah you got a gym membership no I think you gotta be home man y'all gotta wait we got a member on the court y'all selling memberships on his name and they're kind of like the Cl like the Clippers was at the spectrum wine guard YMCA down the street

from no way. We used to go to try it out. Y'all got a hold of we got a Bible study going on right now. It went to the spectrum that was an upgrade but it was YMCA. The young man's Christian dissociation. No Weird it was weird walking in there. He will ask for other grass you walking through people to get to you It's crazy brother. So I look at the YFC. I don't man Have a good time get yourself a meal do whatever you think but That's what that's not good. Not sold on the sixes Roger's auto magic But join will be very engaged in his rehab good very oh, oh he's engaged no not I'm gonna go he's very big so his answer on his phone. So he's very good. Yeah, I mean

Like what does that actually mean engaged means what he's showing up to the gym is he saying? Yeah, I'm doing it balls like What is he? one chipotle doing it balls like what is he engaged? One Chipotle burn. What is engaged? He's engaged in a rehab, meaning he's okay and yeah I'm gonna do this. Like he just had another surgery right before or after All Star break or before All Star break another meniscus tear. I mean at this point we gotta ask the question how much fucking meniscus he got left. At this point probably 5% to none, which means he's going to have bone on bone, which is going to be irritating

him throughout the season, which he's going to have to load manage again. Him in his body load managing means what? Going to be out of shape, overweight. I mean, yeah, okay. Yeah, he's gonna average 32 and 12. But yes, but how many games are am I gonna have? He's gonna actually 32 and 12, but yes. But how many games am I gonna have? He's gonna actually have a chance to win games. Remember, at some point, there's gonna be a point in time when even if you get the playoffs, there's gonna be game every other day, traveling.

His body at this moment in time would not be able to hold up because the structure is not what it used to be. So my question would be Dan, Philly's whole and sole problem injuries. Yeah, that's right, if it be big. Because what I want to get to the root of, if he is, like the question is, if he is ready to go Joel and be Do they have an opportunity?

To make a difference So maxi and him just to say Paul George is still a question mark You got me you got you got certain guys that are gonna be ready to go if he answers the bail They shows up man. He got a chance to win them one to me, like I said, I'm still not rolling with Philly, but it changes the way they look if he plays the way that we're not expecting him to play. To me, the positive side of what could happen if he does come back too early and all that is if he looks good. They could win. If he looks really good. They could win. They look good. When what? When the East is down. If he comes back. I don't think they can win. You don't think they can win. No, no, no. I'm just saying, but it would revitalize him. It would revitalize him though. I know what you're saying. Like for him to come back and have a good season,

I don't think we put the pressure on him to come back and have a good season and win. No, no, no, no. You just say come back and be good. But if he comes back, he's winning. No, no, no. If he plays 70 games and they come up towards the end. But he's never played 70 games. That's the problem. That's what I'm saying. If he does, if he actually comes back and he's like, yo,

I played 70 this year. Y'all didn't think I was going to play 55. That's what I'm saying. The outcome and outlook of Philly changes. Regardless if they win or not, it's like he plays 70 games. This is how he looks to us now. Who's in a way towards Maxie with y'all him. I don't know.

He told me in his way the person that's in your way is your best player. It's not about his game. I know if we say if he plays 72 regular seasons, we know playoffs might be like, ah, because now the game's a battle. You talking about on the burnout side? Just his body.

You saying he not gonna last? The body's not gonna last. Because he hasn't done it, because he hasn't proven it. You know what I mean? Like structurally, structurally, his body, like you're talking about, he is arthritic. These are arthritic bones now.

These hips is, these are bad hips now Oh, you know the players 70 games We came the year before we've been punishing him though. We have one last year Not this year Man, it's look the game the low management for him trying to play one each cuz he's trying to play more 3040 you can't play him less minutes minutes So you can't play him less minutes face all you need to play you're not a five games all including the playoff He's never but you play 35 games including a plug nigga. Your dear team's not winning nothing You're not winning remember. He he what he had the scoring title

I mean he had MVP and scoring title and got beat out by the dumb the Knicks because he wasn't healthy He just need to win 20 of them playoff games. That's it Remember he won MVP. No Tatum in Boston thing. I'm just saying if he's like him, no, it's a them Alley Tyrese no dame. No, come on. He got those game Those games are going every other day his body can't do it But you know it like there's a comes a point in time where your body physically can't I'm a hundred today and I played to 50 with a day arrested only gives me back to 75 It don't give me back to a hundred like these young dudes

But so I'm going into a second game is that 75 to push me to 25 to get back to 50 going to game Sevens won't work for him, but he couldn't play in this championship round. What's the reason why he would have been done games? Six and seven was physically reason why physically is because what bad habits is out of condition bad habits So he should play like we just talked to this dude right here, right? Henry I've been if I was in good rapport with athletes they would we just talked to this dude right here, right? Henry Abbott. If I was in good rapport with athletes, they would come to me and I'd get them right. All the way, 100%.

Because I know what I'm doing. I know I've seen the results. When you trim down, not for the sake of I lost weight, for the sake of me finding out where my BMI is, finding out where my center is, where I can take my feet. So I can actually build from this. You got to take your body weight all the way back down to that.

So when you do, you'll find out that you're a lot lighter than you thought. Like you didn't think you was scraping your feet when you walked, bottom your heels, because you fat, right? You don't know you fat until somebody shows you you fat. Like look, this all fat shit you doing. It's that you're fat shit. I feel like you're looking at me and telling me I'm fat. No, you're not fat. He's just a big bone.

On behalf of fat people, we know. He's got a big wrist. He's got a damn thick. He's got big fingers. We know when we're fat we just don't care. I know Nick, if you're going to eat fat when you get older. Uncle Nick. Let me get a black.

Let me get a black. Damn. But this is the whole training regiment for God like him and Zayon and all those guys is first nutrition, second, man, stay in the gym on your understanding, your core, your body and your strengths. And if you can't, you gonna fuck around and you gonna keep doing that bone on bone shit because there is something you can compensate

with bone on bone is that's your weight. Because it's how much weight you holding on your knees. So that's the only thing you need to change. So we will see how it works out for the Sixers before we move on. Six and three sum games. Before we move on Swaggy. Our Philadelphia fans in the chat one you know is Chickie and Pete. Oh Chickie and Pete. They have three Chickie and Pete. Three dollar domestic bottles at Happy Hour or a half-size pizza is one of their specials in deal.

Shout out to Chicky and Peets. Chicky and Peets. That shit good, bro. To Chicky and Peets. To coming together. They both have restaurants that we're gonna come together and make our own. How was the Philly cheesesteaks there?

Fire. All right. So we have one last thing we need to address here in the arena. Yeah. Yeah. That's it, the same shit. That's it. Geno's or something like that. Yeah, yeah. Y'all said the same shit. That's what I said.

Genos or something like that? Yeah, yeah. Genos and paths are tourist traps. Don't go there. But, who's letting you know? For real, ain't the jewelry spot across the street. It's like the body shop on Sunset back in the day for those who know. Larry makes better cheese state.

Tourist trap. All right, Larry. Got it worse than that. Just being there cooking. But we got one last thing we need to talk about that involves you, Gil. So you were on first take last week. Had some lengthy discussions about ring culture.

Well, Draymond Green appeared to disagree with your comments about ring culture last week on first take. You said that rings of players who were second options are not held in the same regard as those who were first options on championship teams. So Draymond went on threads and posted the following.

He said, a bunch of non-champions having championship conversations. This world we live in is crazy. As to which, Gil, you responded. You said, you should thank us for the con convo So second options and thirds get a fair judgment Clay with four rings left off the top 75 Pippen has six rings and sits 32 all-time Six people in front of him with no rings why? Exclamation point not my opinion. It's my research that exposed they don't respect

second option rings So I'm a my friend like that. option rings. So I'm not coming at him. We're not done. That's just the first part. Right. No, I did offer response. He quite frankly responded back with the following said there would never be a reason for me to thank y'all about anything involving the game of basketball. Not one particular thing he said anything involving the game of basketball. Not one particular thing. He said anything involving the game of basketball. Not one thing. Not even the Gilbert Arena provision in the CBA.

Nothing. There's also nothing you guys can say or topic y'all can cover that can change anything for me when it comes to the game of basketball or the NBA. Only someone who has never been a champion would think that that's a conversation that would ever matter. Your research was just missing one key perspective, a champion that understands what it means

and takes to do so, so it's just a tad bit flawed. Now, y'all, we'll point out you are a big three champion, you are a battle mode two-on-two champion. That's how my motherfucking captain come through. That's how my fucking captain come through. You know what? Something's wrong with y'all. Okay, here you go. Uh problem is I say research, you say personal.

Mm-hmm. I'm pretty sure the conversation between them when Clay didn't make it and they're sitting there asking why and crying and doing all this someone goes and does the research for you and then gives you the answer and then you attack the researcher. If you think there's something off about what I'm saying, then you answer the question, why do you think Clay at the moment of time when they're voting has two rings, I mean has three rings,

he has two all-NBAs and he has five All-Stars. Why would that man be left off the top 75 for number 75 who has six all-nbas and six all-stars? You would think the three championships will push him over the top. So if you don't like my fucking research and my answer then you answer it and don't say, I don't care. Come up with an educated answer. 32 is Pippen. In front of Pippen is Allen Iverson.

So come up with an answer that you can help the public It has nothing to do with your feelings Because I seen the answer I seen when the Isaiah Thomas Statement that Isaiah made when he basically says something about KD where KD Katie basically saved all careers and made y'all Hall of Famers but he gets disrespected but he saved y'all. Like I seen it, I seen that interview which is neither here nor there. I did the research and all I'm saying is they, not me, bitch this is not my personal opinion, they from the research seems like

they don't give two shits about second option rings. They're not valuing Scottie Pippen six in O and Jordan's six in O. They're not putting Kobe's five rings next to Derek Fisher's five rings. They're not whatsoever. Right? That's not that's not me saying this personally. Right? The people who are voting for you, they never won a championship. And if I ask you right now and say, What is harder to do? Win an MVP or win a champion?

Championship. What would you say probably harder to win a MVP mmm go disagree okay now now mathematically percentage-wise what is harder? Winning the champion, I mean, winning the MVP is one person, right, it's you versus 449 other people. 0.001 chance. Hold on, hold on. One, that's, yeah, yeah, MVP's are then, cause it's one versus the field.

450 people. Now when it comes to a championship, it's one team versus 29 other teams Right that's 17 players versus 433 other players. So your percentage is actually higher Winning a ring because it's a team thing and there's 17 of you guys winning. There's only in history out of all of the NBA, there's only been 36 NVPs. 36 in the game of basketball, there's only actually been 36. So when you think they're voting for your career and who you are as a player when you're talking about your

ranking do you really believe that they're using rings as the base or they're using your individual accolades because like I said if I remove the rings if you remove what I'm saying is if you remove the rings and I say all right right. He's the Hall of Famer. I get it. No, what I'm saying is. Why is he not top 75? Now tell me this. I'm not asking that.

I'm not talking about Hall of Famer. If I tell you who resume is better, six all-NBAs and six All-Stars or two all-NBAs and five All-Stars? or two all-MBAs and five all-stars. Which one now belongs in 75? So now you know why Dane was 75 and he was pushed out. His body of work first is what we go off. The ring just solves the tie tie if there's a tie You got six all-stars you got six all-stars now I go to the rings the rings don't supplement your individual greatness that you bring to the game So someone like so when you think about

When you think about here So when you think about, when you think about here. So when I go, when you talk about Pippen, when you talk about Pippen and Allen Iverson is in front of him, Allen Iverson has 11 All Stars, four scoring titles, three time Steel's champs, seven All NBAs, Rookie of the Year year two time all-star MVP one time all MVP right and what Clay do right after he didn't make it then they win the championship again after that that's a chain all that shit off like how to get winning do that's it winning mentality it shuts it off but did it change anything did he man in front of him I got it doesn't like that's what I'm saying

you're saying it means that it means something to the person who doing it. Here's really a thing what some person said. They said when you can't do anything individually, you use team accolades to justify it. Damn. Who was the selfish person that said that, right? Damn, that's.

Damn. Damn, that's. Rashad, please. That was my. That was a quote person. I said that right. Yeah, that's damn. Yeah, that's Rashad. Rashad, please. That was my oh, that was a quote. I got my opinion. I'm just giving you my opinion. What is the bar?

It when you can't do what you can't do in. When you don't when you don't succeed individually, you use team stuff. All right. So I have a quick. So someone says I got MVP's. You say oh I got I got I got I got team wins. I got a championship. Rashaad please jump in.

Give us a second to pause. What do we play the game for? Man niggas is winners I don't know what they are. What do we play the game of basketball? What do we cry when we lose? A.N.A. Smith. A.N.A. Smithmith mr. A naysmith I Created this game called basketball

I thought you say Aaron Eastman. Oh, no, I just called him a Smith. Okay So I'm just I'm like, all right the game the essence man the thing we grew up so passionately to be around Was a team game. I think the top 50 may have fucked it up because they gave a indicator of where you should strive to try to be the top 50 players of all time. They all got jackets and shit. Then you introduce top 75 and then it just becomes not about team at all. Like we have sprouted seeds. We sprouted seeds in the youth to make it now like your resume is stronger than the team and the team is what's gonna make

your resume. No, no it's the opposite. There's Wyatt Carmelo and John Stockton and all those guys. See they don't want to answer that. What are they what? Why are they in the top 50? Nobody cares about those lists. Y'all making the list. Y'all making the list about basketball. It's not basketball. The S is the basketball, it's not making the top 75. Winning championships. Winning.

At the end of the game, I got more points than you. Let's remove our emotions. That's it. And talk you like experts. That's it, win. So when we talk about experts. We all don't get the same award when we win. It's only a certain person.

It was only the first person to get it. The only reward you get is the win. So I get a win. What are you talking about? So I get a win, I'm a part of something in this ring, and I'm over here still and I'm looking at your winner So you gotta go play some other shit you want to win this you feel more appreciated Feelings when this is your we walk away as winners. We're like yo, I was a

NCAA champion I cut down the mat. No one can ever take that away from me. I don't have to have made no money, I didn't have to make no record book appearance, I didn't have to score the most points. Man, I remember that day. That day gonna live forever. That's your personal feeling. Then when someone comes-

I think that's what Dreire's of love too we're not talking about I'm talking about research you're pretending like I'm coming up with this you're acting like I wanted a hundred voters that voted for the criteria I just do the research that shows you. I did the research when I asked you a question There's NBA players that actually I come up with something and I say hey, hey So that mean all the voters to be winners all the voters should be winners You ain't never felt the shit you don't know what it feels like. Okay, hold on. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, I mean the list will be different.

Can you read? Can you go? Can you read? So Robert O'Reilly. Can you read so we can all witness? Winning championships matter, man. Winning matters. I didn't say it. I didn't say it didn't. It's what we play the game for. What are you talking about? No, no, no, no, no. I want everybody to hold that thought.

Why does it feel bad for Tyrese? I want everybody to- Game seven. Seven. I want you to- See y'all- So top 75. No, no, no.

So listen. So when we say Clay in his, there's three rings. His three rings is Clay Thompson. And he didn't make the top 75 Tell me who the fuck the voters are so the NBA 75th anniversary team was selected by a panel of 88 people including current and Former players coaches general you're saying current and what current and former player current and formal, okay? coaches general managers team and league executives Wnba legends sports writers and broadcasters

So some of this list included Kremel, Duljah Bar, Tim Duncan, Bill Russell, Julius Irving, Michael Gordon, Magic Johnson, and many more. So those guys, hold on, those guys who are voting as winners, as champions, as top five, somehow left a guy who has three rings off and you acting like Mike. I'm doing something fucked up. I'm reading. Clay Thompson is sitting back and he's like, man, 75 or not, I got three chips and a lot of money.

Hold on. Listen to what y'all said. Remove yourself. The man with three rings and we're saying they matter and then his peers For at the time it was three my recent three two and five at the time His voters are other champions dog that's voting They voted not me nigga. They voted. Say the name again so we can see who we can blame for it.

Is it possible that the voters didn't vote for who they like because they don't like the nigga? Okay, now you see the excuses. What's the point? Now you see the excuses. Exactly. So why does he have to be in somebody's list? You just said winner.

He's a champion. This is so important. He's a champion. Winner. It's not important. Why are you offended with information? list you're going back in time digging up bullshit information bringing it to to 2025 like is relevant now The top 75 just got it. No, no, no, no Champions bro, please. I'm not the top champions list. Why are we going? We don't know cuz we don't care Don't care about who the top champion So wait, so you know, you know why I'm offended so you wouldn't want to be a top-75 player ever. I'm a champion, bro

You were Man, somebody got pushed out of that 75. No, no, what's the rest book and James Harden's in the top 75 dog? Congratulations the top 75 dog congratulations better than being a champion that's better than being a second better than being a second option is better to be a second option on the championship team is it better to be a champion is better than being a second or third they would they never take I'm just like better than being a champion being better than being a champion being tired better than being a champ No, no, no because I'm sticking these two niggas right here, okay

I am tired of saying, I am looking at a media personality and I'm telling him y'all did this and I'm tired of these two niggas pretending I'm saying it. I'm telling him y'all are fucking up and these niggas is coming at me like I did something If I say y'all you y'all research is saying this What a fuck these two niggas looking at me like I'm the one who created this narrative I'm pointing out y'all media you the person in front you acting like me I said y'all compared you acting like I said These two niggas this person is better than this person Somehow they keep reflecting this shit that I'm trying to prove a point to the media

Who created the list y'all are telling these players rings matter? But you're fucking them in the back end y'all are doing this and these two niggas right here It's sitting here pointing the gun at me like I'm the one critic. Why is this loser talking about it? I'm addressing the nigga that didn't win nothing that didn't play nothing who created the goddamn list I'm trying to do the goddamn job of a player to address media And these two niggas right here is somehow pointing shit at me like I've done something wrong No nigga and it all started for this big ass if a T Mac trying to win a championship So if you didn't defend T Mac ass, he will be in a situation

T man, I was in check shoot, I would have won. That's why this shit all happened, right? Right? That was actually a remnant of that first take. Because we said, What did I say? What did I say? What did I say? What did I say? What did I say? Tell me what I said. Yes, tell me what I said. What's going on? Did I say y'all compared

Kobe three rings to T-Mac zero. Y'all. Meaning the nigga I'm talking to, right? Did I say TMAX was better? Kobe I said y'all compared them so how can rings matter if one has three one has zero and you putting them on the same level? I'm asking someone a question who has the vote and you niggas is acting like I did what I do? I'm asking a person who has a go black man Did you say that rings didn't matter?

I'm talking to the man. I'm talking to the man who said rings. Did you say hey, okay? How hey How can rings matter if I'm talking to a whole nother human being sir. This is not a statement. Are you talking to a human being? How can you say rings matter if y'all, meaning that's a person, had three rings and you compared it here. So rings can't matter if that's what you did. See, that's a statement to someone who did that then. Right?

No, I'm talking about, like, I'm talking to a human when I did this. This is not me coming out and saying, rings don't matter. It's a statement of someone who voted, who wrote articles back then. So your sand rings matter now, but here's your history of it. And you guys are somehow confusing the conversation I'm having with someone as if I'm creating

this narrative. I did not come up with the list. I'm just fucking smart enough and got the time on my hand to depict the list and then ask the question. Does rings matter though? They do matter. Ask the voters. Are we asking you right now on the hot seat?

Me, to me, yes, rings matter. I'm a basketball player. That's what I trained my life for. What's so hard about that? Because this is not my own fucking opinion. We asking your opinion. Don't ask me my own opinion. Why are you interjecting?

We asking your opinion. And you tell, like imagine. That's what the world wants. That's what the world wanted to hear when you was on first thing. What's your opinion? Nobody asked my opinion. They should have asked you.

The fuck you talking about? They should have asked you. They should have asked you. Don't tell us what the media thinks. Tell us what you think. The niggas the media. We want to know what Gilbert. You're the media too. We're all the media.

I'm a champion. Always. Like B. I'm going to show you what these two niggas do right here. Stop putting me, hey, nigga. B, I'm gonna ask you a question. Swaggy stop, Swaggy stop. Brandon, what was you ranked in high school?

Number one. This is them. No you wasn't. No? I know you wasn't. I don't want to believe you. I don't need to believe you. I don't need to believe you was number one.

Then you gonna do what? Show him the ESPN. Oh, I look at shorty. What does that matter? Was you the best player? Did you play games number two? Why do I need to believe somebody right does he play did he see everybody who plays That's what they do this is exactly what they do I have no idea about your fat troll the niggas so bad. He bailed a real lot. He be a troll I have no idea about your Disagree Roll don't say wait. Don't say troll Right put us open the hot seat. So. So, so, you have real facts.

You have facts. I'm saying no they're not. I don't believe it. That's what they do. It has nothing to do with no statement. I'm asking you a question. You give me a professional answer. They turn it into personal and say they don't believe it then do a whole

bunch of bullshits. How is that personal? How is saying we don't believe it personal? Cause it's a fact. How is us saying they don't believe it then do a whole lot of personal how is saying we don't believe it personal because it's a fact how Is us saying we don't believe we're okay We don't believe it show me the evidence So we don't respect the list right why where can we find the list to where we can all come together and be like Yo, this is the list. We did not exist. No list is my list your list Okay, so a pain and personal so that's all that matters then it is This is the list we did not exist. No, this is my list your list. So everybody got a little okay So I peed impersonal so that's all that matters then it is

When you don't like the list is great Something to go off of no, we don't yeah Understand when it matters man champions there was The list before 50 was 11, 25, 35, 50, 75. Trust me, I know I did the research through all of them. Cause I wanted to see when did rings matter. How fast did they put Jordan into it. So I went through, so the top, the top, the top 11.

Then we talk about ring culture when it started. When we say ring culture started when do we say because Gotta be in the top 75 then when did when the ring culture start cuz I can tell you Why didn't you it was a top? Why didn't you tell the world? I tell them when did it start? I did when did it start? I did tell y'all when did it start? I did tell them when did it start? I did tell y'all. When did it start? You n***a you keep trying to come and be like I gotta call the picture. How do I talk? Oh my god you're getting explaining. When did it start? It never started. Okay there we go. How could you say ring culture started and then in 93 Jordan has two rings

and he's the goat he's the number one person and there's five rings six rings 11 rings Three rings in front of him. How can no I don't know what that is That's 98 See this this is this is ignorant stuff that's What did that mean? To the world. No, he said, when it rings culture start. Well, in LA that means something different,

Sean, I'm just telling you. LA this means something different. No, the question was when the rings culture start. That's what he said, but that's what he meant. What that mean? No, what it mean? What it mean? That's wrong.

He became, the top, that list we talking about, the top 50 list, the top 25 list, when Jordan became the number one player ever, it was 1993 when they did it, he jumped Magic Johnson. He had two rings going for his third ring. He did not have six rings. He only had three at the time. So how can you say rings matter if he jumps a guy with five, he jumps a guy with six, he jumps a guy with 11?

So I'm saying, how can rings matter if this guy who had only two beat number one all time? Your problem is with the media, not with us. Cause that's who votes. So you having all this animosity towards us No, no, no, whoa. See that you figured it out. I have this animosity towards the media you Come at me like I'm saying it to you This is good

Whoa, this nigga been coming at me with Kobe, like I've done something, I've always said the same thing. They have Kobe at this. They do this. He pretends I'm singing. What time is it? So the point is, I don't even know what our argument is.

I don't even know if we're arguing about where Kobe is, or who's the biggest Kobe fan at this point. No, I'm serious. I don't even know what the fuck our argument is, because every time I say No, I'm serious. I don't know what the fuck our argument is because every time I say it I say they them But you can say I've never said I Every time I try to challenge a nigga y'all boom here we come. Let's feel like you defend him. That's why by saying

Why you being soft with them Defending when I say how can rings matter when y'all when y'all Compared these two one had three rings one had zero you compared them to the point where Kobe decided he needed to get rid of Shaq so he can win on his own and get these accolades. The person who's in front of me says, you're right, I concede. He's right and he conceded because it was a real thing. This is not something I made up. There's a reason big

media has never challenged me on the take because what I'm speaking to them is a real thing. How they ruined the game. How they ruined the game. Think about what I'm saying. How would they replicate? And that's what I'm attacking. So why do you have to believe everything they say is so stupid and untrue? Alright, so the media in high school, right, and everything for the McDonald's, that didn't matter? What? The media in high school, the media for NCAA, when they do the rankings, none of that matter? Y'all don't look at that?

And when you seen your name wasn't where you thought you should be. You get mad right? What could you do about it? What could you do about it? Nothing. What could you do about it? Nothing. What does that list do? What do you do about it? What do you do about it? That is wrong. If you don't, but if you stay where you at, even if you go try to prove some shit and they still keep you there, what can you do about it? Nothing. Nothing. So that's the list. And then, and then, even if you win, even if you win, they don't change. Then what, then why, then why attack the person who's pointing out the list? That's so, that's what I'm saying. So why are we just believing in it?

But we, but I said we are the media next to our list is the media. You only believe it, you only believe the list when it favors something you like. I think we are on the media. When you see them got Kobe at, not in the top when it favors something. I think we're on the media though. When you see them got Kobe at, not in the top 10 sometimes, man. We all be talking about the top 10. Every single player. And you see Kobe at, and you just say, oh, it's over team. Every single player who played in 2001 has Kobe where?

Two. Right? Top three. Top three. No matter, One, two, three. Nobody, no. At this point. Every player. At no point, every player. Nobody cares at this point. Jordan, as long as you have Jordan, Kobe, and LeBron in your top three, niggas will have a conversation with you. Because they respect the game itself. There's no accolades. It's our eye cast. Now. But now there's a list that they get paid to do and it comes out just like anything

when they vote for MVP when they vote for all NBA I Pretty sure people start to ask. Yo, wait. Why why are you doing this? Why is he tan? But I start calling so you start asking the questions. That's what I did spent months Asking the questions of this list y'all voted on These are you guys as voters? What is criteria one? What is criteria two? What if and I did that when I tell you what they told me you niggas is shooting me It's like hey, man, they shooting outside. Oh fuck you stupid ass. They're gonna get shot. Do you mad at me? Why are you telling me you wasn't listening? I'm telling you how they're doing it

I didn't know we was having this effect But on that I just want us to get a list. Oh, do you want to get smarter? I want to listen like Rodney King once said can we all just get along? Okay, so Kobe is 16. Who said that? That's what you just did. Who said that? You said, why is Kobe this?

I said Kobe is 16. You told me why? OK, so that's why you rolling with him? No, I'm just. That's why you rolling with him. Rolling with who? Because you just, they explain to you why you 16. 9 and not 10.

Because of the criteria. Because of the criteria. So you believe that. I got the, now I got, I got the. You still believe it? I, he's too on mine It's not my personal. I don't have a vote dog and on that day. Oh, oh that not you not remember I don't have a vote. You don't have a vote. So our opinions don't matter or not

I got any number two is my favorite when they explain our When they do it when they do it you ask the questions of no information If you ask got an F on the test and you thought you got an a nigga and you asked for the How do I do it and you do it you get better at it? Hey, hey awesome the world You see you know fuck what the world a beautiful way Niggas is dumb. Thank you to everybody. No difference between is dumb now. Thank you to everybody in the chat. Because y'all don't know the difference between they and me. Thank you to everybody on this couch. Thank you to everybody on this couch.

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