Gil's Arena - Gilbert Arenas Reignites The Goat PG Debate and Celebrates Kobe Bryant

Episode Date: August 23, 2023

Gil's Arena Breaks Down Aja Wilson's Big Game & Lonzo Ball's Injury as Gilbert Arenas react to A'ja Wilson tying the WNBA Scoring record as she exploded for 53 points for the Las Vegas Aces. The Gil's Arena crew also reignites the best PG ever debate after Michael Jordan tries to set the record straight with Stephen A Smith on First Take before celebrating the legacy of Kobe Bryant. Please Like and Subscribe!! Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GILSARENA and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Gil’s Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Chapters Show Start 0:00:00 Intro 0:01:45 A'ja Wilson Hibachi Time 0:08:16 How It Feels to Drop 50  0:23:15 The Shady Game 0:28:29 Worst You've Ever Been Cooked  0:32:38 Michael Jordan Reopens The GOAT PG Discussion 0:40:20 Gilbert Arenas Celebrates Kobe Bryant 1:31:43 MostlyFans 1:58:16 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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just trying to do everybody's favorite basketball show. Welcome. Shit. Just trying to do everybody's favorite basketball show. Welcome. Trying to do everybody's favorite basketball show, give the people what they want and what they crave. But here's what we got cracking today. Aja Wilson had a historic night tying the WNBA record by dropping 53 of them things. So, no, we got to salute her for all that. MJ allegedly weighs in on the greatest point guard ever debate. There was rumors of a text.

Have any of you niggas ever got a text from MJ? Yeah, you got a text from MJ before? I got a call from MJ But not a text as well. Not a fucking text. MJ not texting unless he was- This is Michael Jeffrey Jordan Wow! MJ texted now He still got a flip phone and it's Kobe's, so we got to get a mom of his flowers. But before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy.

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Absolutely. Before the season starts, let's get something going. Fantasy what? Basketball. Yeah, fantasy football. Nah, I just like the jerseys. I'm with you, but yeah, really. You can put it on all the jerseys let's get something going. Fantasy what? Fantasy football. Yeah, fantasy football. No, I just like the jerseys. I just like the jerseys.

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They picked the best available. I did try to pick Michael Vick in 2017. They had him available? No, no, no, no. I was just so into 2005 that I thought Vick was still playing. I was like, yeah, give me Vick. He can't go wrong with that. Give me Vick.

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Hibachi Time. Boop. Look at us. Rapping for shit. Big time. So, Aja Wilson was in beast mode Tuesday night delivering one of the greatest bucket-getting performances in Hoops history. She tied the WNBA record with 53 points in 33 minutes in the Aces' win over the Dream.

Her new career high comes just 11 days after setting her previous high of 40. She also had four blocks in the game and is leading the league with two per game in that category as well. So, it's safe to say that Aja Wilson is her... Is the smoke machine... Is it operational, Gil? Aja Wilson, you get some her. Is the smoke machine, is it operational good? Aja Wilson, you get some smoke. All the smoke.

A lot of smoke. Yeah. A lot of smoke. Good. We know you have you on the WNBA pick-em. So how impressive is Aja Wilson's 53-point performance? Very, very. I mean, especially with the style they play, slow basketball.

I mean, you know, Vegas is a lot faster than everybody else. You can see why they're so dominant. But this was the style that I thought the WNBA should have picked up a long time ago. Up and down, moving. So there could be records broken. When we see 40, 45, 50, that's what tune in the male audience. So the faster the game will be, if they speed that game up and have numbers like this, we end. The Aces put up 112 points in 40 minutes. You know, their game has always been more fundamentally sound than the man's game.

So I think, to the particular point to play faster Then it takes away from some of that, you know I'm saying but they are Becoming more athletic and I'm sending more athletic now. I'm a fastly jump high doing all the things that I'm saying that Previous generation probably was limited at you know what I'm saying? But yeah play fastly I agree Yeah, I think she just more dominant though. Like just watching her play and rebound and all this should be doing out there It's different. She just looked different. She like Kyle Cheryl Miller would have looked it when she was out there Yeah, Jerry play if she ever got the planet that we were to use your plate it look No, look

Look, you know, you chat fucking thing understand they all understand articulation so I got a That whole aces squad is crazy Beckenham is a coach You kind of you know a pop disciple, but they out there dancing having a good time busting people's asses Brandon What you think about the 53 piece? Really didn't see I just saw some highlights, but that's pretty dope though Pretty dope, you know the best cuz you're a bucket getter. I'm saying you should appreciate that a little more than that dog. That's pretty dope though. Pretty dope. You know what the best part about that? Because you're a bucket getter, you should appreciate that a little more than that, dog. That's dope. That's hard to do.

It is impressive. The most impressive part of it all. 33. No, no, she had zero assists. Oh, that's impressive. Like, y'all ain't getting the ball tonight. But that's every night. She barely won two assists. No, I'm just saying, 53 you know, 53-0 assists.

That's my type of bucket getter. That's your mellow hat that Nudie had in the garden against Charlotte. Yeah, 68. 60-0 assists. Yeah, 60-0 assists. She wanted my pass, bro. She wanted them ones. She wanted them ones.

Y'all know who's hot? I like her game a lot. Like, she just, she lock in. And like you say, they be out there playing fun. Like, she, when they was on the bench joking, that's when I knew. I was like, oh, she one of them. She, she, she, she, she. No, they got a dominant, they got a dominant team.

That's efficient night though. Yeah. Like, she was like, that's efficient. 20, was it 20 for 21 from free throw? Yeah, I think second highest WNBA history behind Cynthia Cooper. But 20 for 21 is. 20 for 21 is crazy. Locked in. Locked in. One three pointer in that 53. Second highest WNBA history behind Cynthia Cooper. But 20 for 21 is... 20 for 21 is crazy.

Locked in. Locked in. One three-pointer in that 53. What's the most free throw you shot in the game? 27 or something. God damn. You said you had one three-pointer? Just one three-pointer in that 53.

That's like when Andre Miller had that 52. Yeah, Portland. Yeah, in Portland, right? Mm-hmm. No threes. No threes. Pump fakes. Pump fakes.

Free throws. That was crazy. That was crazy. That was nice, dog. Yeah,rees. I'm a fake. I'm a fake. I'm a fake. That was crazy. That was crazy. He was nice, dog. Yeah, that's my nigga, man. I saw Dre and Voyager. Hey, King Martin. To the old man.

To me and KJ was together. He called me King Martin Jr., King Martin Sr. That shit was so funny. Yeah, Melo also had a 50-point game with no paint points if that intrigue all means Mostly jumpers. Hey, that's huh? Was that the no assist game? No, I was in the garden 60 it was 60 no assist Don't pass it pass it to the real but Asia was rocking LeBron 20s in the game and after where she got some love from

the king. He said, whoop, there it is. He said, must be the shoes. Nah, it's definitely her game the whole way. They do look good on her, though. Go to hell off this, sis. And a bunch of hand-clapping emojis. If there's one criticism I have of LeBron's tweeting,

it's over-emojiing LeBron's sufficient emojis, four or less. That's the only night. That colorway is tough. That's the ball shoe But Wilson the two-time MVP reigning champion and defensive player of the year. She got our own shoe That's what I'm going actually should be the face of the W There have only been 12 WNBA players that have their own signature shoe as of right now She is not one of them. There's Asia deserve her own signature shoe. Yeah, I think so two-time MVP. She's the way she playing this year possibly when it again If Brianna got if Brianna Stewart got hers

Asia should definitely have hers. No for sure. Did the Candice ever have one? Candice a beast you gotta be influential. Yeah, she would issue. Yeah, she was influential Yeah, you know, yeah, she almost got me buying ruffles again. I'll be honest. I mean, you know just like anybody, you know It's she's a big right. I mean, you know and you know when you're talking about Girls, they're usually guards. So when you're talking about moving shoes and moving units you it's It's guard play. Right, and it's always been like that.

When you're 10, 11, 12, 13, you can't identify with someone who's six, six, six, six, seven. True. You can identify with someone who's smaller, so you're gonna gravitate to that person anyway until you get that size. But I just think her being a female, you know what I'm saying?

And women, girls, basketball, I just think her being a female, you know what I'm saying? And women, girls, basketball. I just think it's dope. Black girl. But the problem with WNBA is there's a big disconnect from the WNBA to youth basketball. So youth basketball actually don't watch the WNBA. I see. They don't know the WNBA. I see. They don't know the WNBA. When a draft happens,

and you go and ask any of those girls from 18 to 12, they won't know half the people that got drafted. They won't even know four people that got drafted because they don't watch. You in the know. I think they should just lift the age limit, let girls be one and done, or come straight out of high school.

And that market right there. Like, thank you. Lululemon. Right? Lipstick. You know, eyelash. Weed. All of it.

Victoria's Secret. The whole gump. Like, you have all that to your disposal. The whole gump. But y'all, they want Nike and they want this bullshit. Yeah, the whole gump. That men will do. Like, no.

Like, gravitate to what you actually wear every single day. You know, blush and all this stuff. Yeah. Right, y'all can make millions and millions of dollars off that and y'all can push that to the youth because that's what the youth is wearing. Absolutely. You know, if one of those girls got a lipstick deal or lip gloss deal, who you think is buying that product?

Yeah. That's facts. I gotta buy that for my daughter. Right now she's buying the Kylie Jenner shit. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. So y'all saying Kylie Jenner, you know? Yeah, so what? Is hoop wear?

I never seen Kylie Jenner get a bucket. You know what I mean? So you know what I mean? It's just this big, it's just a big, it's just a really big disconnect. I'm with you. Yeah. I feel you. What they saying?

They saying. Boy, straight out of high school for girls would be tough. Cause some of them girls. No, because you can't tell me. Some of them girls is nice, man. I'm saying your daughter daughter nice your daughter can play That girl she played with did you listen man? This is this a Don Stanley came to the game right Don Hall of Fame, South Carolina

She said juju is the best WNBA. She's the best female Hooper. She's ever seen dog Have you seen this girl ever Ever seen, like you're talking about. I saw you at the game. Boo, boo SC, terrible choice. She was killing that McDonald's game. She said she's the best female she's ever seen. There's not even close to, just period. She should've went straight out of high school.

I was watching her, KJ was at Sierra Canyon working out just before the season. She was in the gym working out. This one was no game. I'm watching her, KJ was at Sierra Canyon working out just before the season. She was in the gym working out. This one was no game. I'm watching her work out. KJ was working out. I'm like this now. Just watching her move and putting it, do-do, and one droop it up, do-do. I'm like,

so I go up to her who was training her and working out. He's like, that's my daughter. I said, you do this? He said, yeah. I said like, yo, that's, he's like, yo, that's my daughter. I said, you do this? He said, yeah. I said, oh, man, listen, man. Hey, yeah, I'd be here to see you play this year. Yep. And you got to waste four years at USC.

That's terrible. Yeah. Like that right there goes into the WNBA. It's terrible. Her following, all seniors, juniors, sophomores, freshmen, eighth grade, seventh grade, buys all her productiors sophomores freshmen. Yeah eighth grade seventh grade buys all her product Yeah, right buys all her product because that's her fan base by the time she becomes a senior All her fan base became her enemy because they're competition now, right?

So she loses her name, you know by the time she gets to her senior year So when she comes to the WNBABA she has no value to sales if she leaves right now she's impeccable absolutely well that's why it's important for Asia to get the recognition she gets now nobody so no juju I'm saying like if they give Asia the the platform now for her to be the signature shoe wear bringing down to the Angel Reese, who's next, then Juju, it becomes a marketing opportunity

for them to sell to Mascara, to Lululemon. They're not just going to come on board because we're saying it. They have to be examples of it. So letting Asia be an example, then Angel Reese become an example, then Juju's going to be like the LeBron James of it all. But that's where they go.

You have to go with probably Paige Buckner. Paige, you got Caitlyn, Reese, and Juju. Because the youth know them right now. They don't know WNBA. But think about it. By the time the WNBA, when they get drafted, who do they look like? Women. They look like women they look like

women right when business suits looking all for us yeah that's a very good look for girls but now that's the reason why girls they look like grandma's the reason why they don't know WNB right in WNBA right now is because they're not being put in the in the forefront like if you put Asia right now after this game and after the all-star game everything that has been happening with wmba they are now more visible than they've ever been so now you put her in the position where she's like lisa leslie was like candace was where it's like we could show her more it's gonna set them up to be in the middle of it like it's gonna be even bigger you gotta

start somewhere you don't want to start when they come and then it's going to be even bigger. You got to start somewhere. You don't want to start when they come. And then it's just going to be like, oh, we had four or five years. We could have been maximizing on this. And then, you know, it's been said, I don't like black women and all this, but I'm fucking with Asia though. Man, but that's what I'm saying. She's in the, what I'm saying is she's in the, no, no, no, but what I'm saying is she looks like, but she's an adult. Like what I'm saying is when I say they don't identify, think about what a 22-year-old or grown woman looks like compared to a teen. It's two different looks.

So these teens don't identify. You're too old for us. You're old, right? I'm wearing booty shorts. Look at, go to girls basketball. Shorts is high, right? They're showing as much skin as possible. WNBA, long shorts. Go to girls basketball. Shorts is high, right? They're showing as much skin as possible.

WNBA, long shorts. They got the socks. They look like us in 2000, early 2000. So the girls don't watch that game. That's like saying LeBron James

don't identify with the youth. You're saying because he old. But he comes to the games. That's what I'm saying. So Asia should still identify because she's the grown adult version of what they're gonna become, but they don't come They don't come to the kid cuz she's not being promoted. That's what I herself Her to Rozzy is to Rozzy is me because she has a you team. That's what I'm saying

So if Asia's being promoted as the top gun MVP defensive put she's been promoted as the woman of the league. She becomes the iconic figure. She becomes the role model. To who? To the youth. They don't watch the WNBA. But they will if they start promoting her.

You know who the most popular WNBA player was? What was the girl from the Lakers who did all the dancing and stuff all the time? Yeah, y'all know because she didn't really play well you ain't even Diggins was at one point who scholar because her because her looks but um her brother her brother No, she was hooping a tree. She was hooping that nor did so Tia Cooper Tia Cooper had more She has more followers and all the MVPs combined in the last four years. Because her brother.

Right, everybody, all the girls thought the brother was cute, so they just followed her because she was dancing in her video. I don't even know. So she became the, I know. Who's Sharif Cooper? Taya. Taya Cooper. Taya Cooper. I got packed up for somebody, an old black man pronouncing her name wrong, Gil, so.

Oh, Taya Cooper. Yeah, yeah. She was the most watched WNBA player, and she didn't really play, but she was more popular than everybody else because all those girls liked the brother, so they just followed the sister. The brother was good in high school. Yeah, all them teen girls were like, oh, that's the sister. Oh, she dressed.

Oh, I like the way she dressed. She dressed like a kid. They didn't fuck with them adults up there, man. Let's talk about. Oh, he know. He's going to know. You are directly involved. That's why

I ain't got shit. That's why I'm over here just listening. He know. He know. Shit, I don't know. I don't know? I don wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Remember Asia's two-time MVP. Two-time MVP. Hey, what's up with it? Y'all watch Asia last night? Who the hell is that? She's not being promoted. This is what I'm saying, bro. That's all I'm saying. If she's promoted more, they know more.

If you got somebody sitting in the back in the dark, you can't see her. You don't know her. You ain't watching. But you got somebody in the front dancing and shit. It's like, oh, look at her. Promoting herself. Yeah. She don't even play.

That's what I'm saying. But A's be out there dancing to a getting it. Let's talk about just 50 pieces because we have two people on this couch that have dropped a 50 piece in the league. Brandy, you had that 55, your rookie year. We talked a little bit to Steph about that because he received some of those buckets.

You had the 60 and 54 within a week span of each other. He was on top of the world at that point. Motherfucker. So just for y'all, what does it feel like to be locked in offensively like that? What's going through your mind as you were just cooking at that level? Baskets big. At that point, there's no defense that can contain you.

No matter how great the defense is, at that point in time when you are locked in, as long as you can see the rim, all your moves is on point, everything, the whistle's going, the lucky bounce, everything is falling. It's like hitting all green lights and shit, you know, why are you almost late to work? You know to me so it's it's one of those feelings where no it's like no matter as long as you can get a shot up It's it's it's I feel it. It's like workout. It's like you're working out you playing by yourself You know, you're just going to gym. You just try different things My 55 I was I was off in the first quarter,

so I didn't know if I was going to even play in the second half. I think I was like 0 for 5 in the first, and then I just caught fire in that third, and I just couldn't miss. It didn't matter. Like you said, it didn't matter what happened. It didn't matter what type of defense or anything.

I was just on fire. What's your career high, if you don't mind me asking? 35, 36. You say that like that's not a lot. Oh no, like 17 in the first. Like 17 in the first. Yeah. Like, no, I just, when you, I ain't.

Do y'all feel a shift when y'all are cooking like that? Do you feel like your teammates start hating a little bit? Nah. Like they want to get theirs too? Nah, nah. Or they like, we're going to let you cook. cook like and i ain't shoot no threes you know i'm saying like this is 35 with no three all dunks this is dunks and jump shot no this is like like i was jump hooks and this is in the finals game four the finals against the lakers like we played the one it was 35 or 36 against the knicks and then game then game four, we got swept against the

Lakers in the finals. I was going at your boy's dome. Big shot. I was going at his rack in the first quarter. Then I had a game in college where it was on like that.

We played DePaul. Everything was going in. Like, everything. Like, whatever I did, that bitch was... I'm like, yo, this shit is up. Rashad, I saw you... He'll score, though. The teammate hate.

I was never the best player on my team. I was trash, you know what I'm saying? So, ah. Never got an opportunity. You know, I had 34. I actually had 34 against Kenyon then. Guess who? Denver.

I couldn't have been on it. You got most of it. Whatever, nigga. They had to go to zone and shit. Please show me. There's Tate. He said he had to go to zone. There's Tate. Please show me I'm a team guy. I'm a team guy like the place

Did you start or did you come off the bench off the bench? It was 34 off the bench off Okay, but he said I got there where that's what I'm saying most of no you said most so I Want to see Because if anybody gave me where I'm first one to tell you I need a well, but I Remember like the game fucking Kevin love score for the we plan to me he's catching and shooting the ball for anybody get to him Yeah, that's my man. He ain't give me that ain't no way. Nobody just you know, I listen so much He was like, oh, yeah, I got I need the Wizards 41 Jordan probably check me for five the all 41 was on George. That's all When I tell my story it was all George. He's the best. Of course that makes you feel better

We saw it does if they make you feel better say that you score more so 34 me to help you sleep at night. Oh, yeah That was like that was kidding right there I was kidding again right there. Oh shit The best defensive play him and Marcus can't be born 41. I can join 41. He said I just got a text from him He said had no problem with Gilbert or even old Rob Jeff But uh damn I'm all fucked up now So after that 60-point game, I want to say you had 23 after the 54 I want to say you had like 31, but how hard it was the 60 was a back-to-back I want say Denver the next night, but how hard is it?

Just after you know Nah, nah, nah, y'all don't even know if y'all want to go down this rabbit hole. All right, well, you know I got arrested for this type of shit. What? What you was that? Huh? It was 2006. Yeah, except it's oh, do you score? Oh, that was yeah, I just got there to know That was a baby game. This is the shady. Don, too. Nah. That was the Shady game? This is the Shady game. That was the Donahue game.

Don't talk to me about the Shady game. What game? Listen, someone asked me, I said, yeah, has Donahue, have you ever been cheating in the NBA? And I said this. I said,

there's only one game I've ever remembered that that shit seemed foul. And I said, man, I just had 60. We went to Denver. Whole team got traded. Right? It was getting traded for Allen Iverson.

So they had nobody playing. Right? Earl Boykins had like 60 something. I shot 30 shots. No free throws. They kept me off. I had 27 free throws against Kobe. They kept me off the free throw line the next game. I even said it.

Man, why y'all cheat? You locked that shit up. Fuck that. I said, why y'all cheat? I said, why y'all cheating for this sorry-ass team? And that's what I said. Why y'all cheating for this sorry-ass team? Donnie, he was a referee there.

43 minutes, zero free throws. 30 shots. And I was, I shot 30 shots. And look at my plus my plus minus still plus one How the fuck and how much we lose that's crazy? Nine how the fuck does that happen? Did I play that's great. Yeah, that's crazy. Let me pull up the box score Was I hurt well, definitely it was like nah, yeah, you didn't play. Oh, no, you didn't know that we do Do our if you're a great Miller Marcus can be a line is Cleza and a laser nada

That was the starters. Yeah, yeah lock that ass up, didn't they? So you can see I was on demon 30 shot Nobody get your son again 70. They're not calling then I call a 43 minutes you for sure got found. Yeah, 100% Everybody like come on. Come on. He's gonna force his way to win out I guess the spread was like us minus 12 and something like that No free throws for you. Oh wow. Yeah So it Wow Everybody put their money on Yeah. Wow. Everybody put their money on us. Wow.

Yes, sir. It makes all the sense in the world. So that don't count. So we're going to scratch that game out. We're going to go straight to that 54. You had 54 after that? This very next game against... You shot 30 shots. He was on your...

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had that, and then... You shot the ball enough to have... 30 on sack, and then you shot 30 shots. Who's on your yeah? So I had that and then I and then we shot enough to have 30 on sack and then you had the 54 Yeah, you shot the ball enough to have you get over you was a Memphis 31, but that was four days later day after yeah Yeah We had nobody damn did nobody play nobody. No, that's what said it was nobody. I was dirty. He said right before the trade damn Donnie and a motherfucker like Boy gets to feed those Hi, you know how many free those Earl shot look at this

Let me go my house Come look at this Bob one the white Adam silver fucking with the Wi-Fi. Yeah Shit Look at this. Look at this shit. Bob won. Uh-oh, Adam Silver fucking with the Wi-Fi. Yeah, I am. Oh, shit. Uh-oh. No, seriously, come on. 15 free throws for Boykin. Earl Boykin, 15 free throws.

You got there for y'all, okay? You knocked me off the Wi-Fi. Adam Silver, I'm Mark Carr, running through the neighborhood. When he had that game, like 30? Wow. Like 27 or something like that. Yeah, you putting him on the free throw? Come on, man. 29. I, you putting him on the free throw?

Come on, man. 29. I even said it. I mean, I ain't shooting no more jumps, so I'm going all the way to the basket. Yeah, we ain't see nothing. All right, this how we play it. So we talking about the bucket getting side. He did it twice to us.

To Chuck, too. He did it to Chuck when we was playing. Oh, he did it to Chuck? Every time Chuck got ready to put the ball in before he called travel. Yeah. He talked about that. Yeah, every time he got ready to put the ball before he called travel. Yeah He talked about that. Yeah, every time you got a good ball. He called travel. They talked about Jesus Yeah, that was I remember reading. I remember seeing something on that and I Have a I have a problem With when they're putting a rule in

To have pre notion of what you're gonna to call. They're enforcing it. Right. You're enforcing something, but pre-calling it. Like you see, oh, he shook. Oh, that must have been the travel. Travel. Yep. That's technically cheating.

Yeah. That is technically cheating. You are pre-calling carries and travels on people because you watch the film. Every time he did this, every time he got ready to do it, they carry. And when he Tried oh, yeah He mumbled wicked yes Like everybody everybody think like you Allen Iverson's crossover was this iconic thing which it was but people don't realize

After his first was seasons two season. They took that away from him. He couldn't do that shit no more. Yeah Yeah, he got ready to load up. Yeah to change him. Yes, I could do that shit no more. Yeah Here to change it. Yeah, they had to change it. That's why he did the commercials the double cross Between legs a little spider cross because they took his crossover away from him as you hear Antonio Daniels Doing a hop Antonio days out there doing a Humpty. So we talked about the buggy game, but let's talk about the other side. What's the worst that somebody's cooked you in your career?

Me personally? Man, y'all gonna laugh. Like, I got hit with Damon Jones. Damon Jones cooked me. You know what? I mean, I guess Steve Nash. You know, when I had the 54, he had like 45. That don't count.

That don't count. We're talking about like, he might have had a game winner on you or anything like that. Cooked. No, cooked cooked. Oh, cooked. If you go for 54, he has 45. Listen, when we was playing Charlotte with Mello,

when Gerald Henderson was talking shit, Melo out there just destroying, like cooked like that. You guard somebody, how you was on that day, somebody did you like that. How somebody cooked you like that. Coach ain't taking you out. You ask him to come out, no, keep your ass out. You had the 54, but the 45 was irrelevant, because anything over that 45 that you have, it don't matter

No, I was in there where the doors are guard the guards wasn't really like that yet. Yes, he's got this error I dodged them steps in the mud D roses D rose to me That damn crossover he done I Mean somebody said somebody that cooked me, D-Rose. What'd he have? He cooked me and he hit the game winner. Ooh, ooh, okay.

Say T-Mac. I see. T-Mac, yeah. He was- Noble. Tough, tough guard. Too much. You too small.

Way too small. And you little. But I was strong. You know what I'm saying? It don't matter. but I was strong It didn't Cook me two nights in a row. We had a home-and-home She's going 74 in two days. She's well, you know, you got a bad culture He's like coach. What the fuck am I supposed to be doing on this nigga? I'm playing three at the time, you know, I'm going to three matchup that night. Well, I was getting that nice

Oh, yes, he scored. He scored a career- mess. He hang dribbling my head in his shit I'm not sure he's crazy on that muffling. He turned on Pick a roll He had 62 on he has 62 on us right and he had an off night That wasn't even actually like on fire. He I think he missed like 10 12 free throws right It was just that was crazy, bro Matt he really really missed like 12 free throws that game he could shoot that bitch though. He could really shoot

Everybody so everybody was checking in on him. We're in here will you get? You was throwing everybody anybody who had a jersey all wait, hold on so nobody cooked you Damn, I wouldn't mean cook, but I didn't score to Like like like John, I think I get at you all my rookie seat. Maybe my rookie season But be like he that's best be honest When he was Agents here he going to fucking let you go by him before he...

So that's good to cook? He wasn't going to play. There was no resistance. But what you're not missing... Okay, if I average 29 and 28, right? So the fact that you... If that's my average, you're going to

have to score, what, 40 to what, my 10? 12. So for 82 games, you're saying not one point guard got at you. It would be John Stockton. I mean, not John Stockton, but it would be Nash. He probably scored the highest on me, 40-something. But I had 54. What about when Kobe came back to to DC he had 37 had 39 remember

I didn't guard the two I would say the Steve Nash situation because he had to guard him on the other end so that would be the equivalent like the the Tony Parker they're going back and forth but so for 82 games that one point guard walked in there and was just like yo like so for 82 games nobody because the I do you you guys came in later. Think about it. I'm with Steve Nash, who was probably the best scorer. Other than that, it's Tony Parker, averaged 19. Marbury was in the league.

Marbury. What about Darren Williams? Darren Williams, young. CP. CP, young. They're getting their ass busted. 30, 40. They're getting Darren Williams, 51.

He couldn't even stay. He couldn't even stay on the court. Jermier Nelson, White Chocolate, Old Gary Payton. TJ Ford. Yeah, I didn't have... You guys didn't come in yet. So you're saying there wasn't any real scoring point guards. There wasn't no scoring point guards.

If I had to guard Mulberry, I'm coming at his head first. So I didn't actually get those guards yet. Yeah, like the- Like, you know, like somebody who cooked me, you're talking about Mo Williams. Like if he averaged like 15, he scored 25. Yeah. Right?

Damon Jones averaged eight. That nigga got 24. Yeah. Eric Snow got 25. Right? That's getting cooked. Nah, but it's not. That's getting cooked. It's getting cooked.

If you gave up 25 to eat snow, I gave 25 to eat Eric Snow. I get cooked. He cooked you. I ain't paying attention to you. But if I'm playing against a scoring guard, who's going to score the most? That's how I felt about Pat Beverly when he was talking about, B.J. know what's up. I remember he had 19 and a is who will score the most and that's how I feel about Pat Beverly When he was talking about BJ know what's up? Yeah, I remember yeah, he had like 19. I had low

So it's like that. Yeah, like I'm fine. Damn. He got but that was it It was that like a BJ knows was up type of moment if I have 19 I guess because I looked at the stats if you looked at it, we played three times so it was all nasty I'm just trying to figure out what do I know? What's up? I want to know what I know. What's up? No, what he say, you know, what I'm just trying to figure out what do I know what's up? No, he say you know what to recap try to Tariq Evans the first time I played Tariq Evans We got we got our I was I came on I was coming off the inner reason It was in it was in sack to me cooked is when a Nick you garden a nigga and he's taking it personal one Yeah, that's today didn't one on guard. That's what the guard do the chest and Irish didn taking it personal one day that's today didn't it's a one-on-one

that's the guard you know the chest and Irish didn't drop 47 on you do you have any I was shooting I remember I was you know I never got Iverson I've seen never guarded me without who's the point guard that that's the game that he dropped that's it Daniels yes it doesn't say Daniels all of them was guarding him how do you had 34 yeah I was shooting shooting guys. I was thinking the point guard is ish new National how much you know had again? Oh, it's great defensive player. They said Eric snow gave you 60 Where is that at? Oh, that's retired number like that dad like when when like When Tyreek Evans was coming in like that big guard that

actually scored I was like okay yeah yeah I'm getting done Tyreek had 26 in his first game against me I guess the words we're trying to see yes but but let's keep this thing moving we got to talk about just Gill's Arena we've been out here really just controlling the news cycle all week after our interview with Steph Curry dropped on Monday

Steph said he thought he was the greatest point guard ever putting himself over magic been feeding the community the smoke machine just queefed shout out to Steph

see smoke machine though shout out to Steph smoke machine though it's a free fart they already done but everybody you know

been keeping people employed this week. Everybody's been talking about it. Some have heard these things. Some have not. We see you. Some have reached out. Some tried to rip the video.

All good. We know where y'all live. But now, according to Stephen A. Smith, Michael Jordan has entered the debate. I have to read you a text that I received this morning at five fifty four a.m. Good morning, sir. Although greatest of anything is always a debate. I beg to differ on greatest point guard of all time with what you said. Magic Johnson is easily the best point guard of all time. Steph Curry is very close, but not in front of Magic.

You must define point guard to really have a serious debate. Steph Curry is by far the best shooter of all time. Yes, his movement has created many shots for his teammates. He's a career 43% three-point shooter. But Magic Johnson invented the triple-double. Not true invented, but makes it more noticeable in terms of the impact on the game. It's a point guard stat, to be honest. Magic was the best.

We can go on, but I don't want to take up too much of your time. I know you get the point. By the way, Magic has five NBA championships. Wow. By the way magic has five NBA championships Wow that quote this morning about 545 Was from mr. Michael Jeffrey Jordan Wow, that's not even a text. That's a goddamn book. So you got the text at 554 Mm-hmm, or you got the text at 545, you know, you know Well, he's at 54 and 45 but that's fine he's on the air he goes hard but how long do you think it took

MJ to type out that text on the flip phone without without glasses without I mean at this point if you got iPhone you can just you can just talk about the slurring when he said we talked Did he have a cigar but but but but but So Am I? Maybe my math is off. Maybe I don't know the history of basketball too well But I'm finna throw some out there y'all let me know if I'm wrong Who's older Oscar or magic? Oscar okay Hmm and what position Oscar play

point guard and what do you average for a season triple-double oh so oh nevermind he's not even considered in the competition but he said he's not he said he's not I'm glad he's not no but he said he created the triple-double I'm just trying to fit maybe maybe my maybe I'm maybe there's not nobody said he created the triple-double. I'm just trying to fit maybe maybe my maybe I'm Maybe there's some Benjamin Button shit going on here. Maybe this we're going in Reverse. I don't know but uh Magic not a point good morning, sir. Oh, I'm just asking not a point guard. I mean, what is Mike? I mean, he's supposed to say that Mike

No He's supposed to say that. Mike ain't say that shit. I mean, that's his boy. Nah. They was just on vacation together. I think Mike said it because it's... And today, you can get called out, and one of them little Jordan boys is going to call him out if MJ didn't do it. But Mike wouldn't even comment on who's the greatest player of all time. Because that's not doing...

Because that's... Why would he comment on the best point guard? And then why would you say it after Steph's calling himself? Because he had to get this man's approval because I hope he just didn't go out and read this man's text unsolicited I think MJ said he could share it yeah so he asked do you mind if I read this on air and he said yes so yeah here Mike when we say just like that hopefully when we say define point guards, I mean that's a great question because that I usually

when I was Knocking Steph for pure points. It was the pure point right? What is a pure point? What is a point guard? Um When it comes to magic you're talking about a guy who is a one of one, right? It's not a traditional person. So you're trying to put a guy, it's like Joker, you're trying to put a guy who's just a basketball player in this position to identify with it, right? Magic was a small force shooting guard coming into the NBA. His first four years, he was the shooting guard. Norm Nixon was the point

guard. When they moved Norm, they gave the ball to Magic. Because it was better played by a guy at that size. So, he was your small forward who guarded the small forward, but had the ball in his hand.

And because he did what he did like Joker does they called him the point guard right that's where point forward comes in from thank you so if we want to use and I always did this to people just to fuck with him if you're gonna use magic as the best point I'm gonna use LeBron now LeBron's the number one point guard they play all LeBron in the point well he said his team in assists every fucking year you know so he has to be the best point guard of all time, right? So if you're gonna play with magic because LeBron was 2.0 of Magic Johnson coming into the NBA. He was

Magic Johnson with Jordan like jumping ability. That was the frame so you can't now take him out of it Yeah, because he's been surpassed all of these sets Right. So if you're gonna try to use magic as the point guard Then you have to throw LeBron as the best point guard ever, but you're not gonna do that But this is what we've done just with that conversation alone. We've forgotten about what we're talking about. We're talking about Steph Curry But wouldn't Mike talking about magic. Fuck Oscar. Fuck all of them. Steph Curry's the best point guard of all time because he said so.

That's it. That's not it. Everybody else's opinion about it don't fucking matter to Steph Curry because he say, I'm the best. So everybody else come in saying you're not, you're a fucking hater. The nigga said it himself. I'm the best. Who better than me? My stats prove it. My championships prove it.

What the fuck else is there to talk about except for the hate? Hey, yo, you're a hater for having an opinion? Absolutely. Especially when a nigga saying it himself. For real? Wait, really? Yeah. What is an opinion then?

No, I'm talking about an opinion against the horse that's saying it. If the nigga that's saying it... So if Magic says he's the best player ever... His Magic, that's what Magic... Magic feel that way, but it ain't's saying it. If the nigga that's saying it... So if Magic says he's the best player ever... That's what Magic... Magic feel that way, but it ain't Magic saying it. This is Mike saying it. This is other people saying,

no, Steph, you're not. No, Steph, you're not. If Gilbert say he's the best scorer in the modern era of 2008 to 2010 or whatever era, who are we to say that you are not? Stats. Your stats back it up. Yeah, I'm the best point guard ever? No, that you were the best scorer

of that time that you was playing. Your stats back it up. At 25, who was better? Nobody. So if Steph says, man, I'm the best point guard of all time because my stats and I ain't done playing my mama a Steph if you say it shit so I'm not gonna say that you're not I'm not gonna be the one to say no you're not but that's not a great argument you gotta have like real argument yeah like somebody's gonna have a different opinion but yeah make you a hater though but you know I'm saying cuz I mean cuz if magic says I'm the greatest point guard ever and we'd be like no so that means I'm a hater though. Like, you know what I'm saying? Because, I mean, because if Magic says I'm the greatest point guard ever and we be like, no, so that means I'm a hater

because I don't think he is because he said it? Yeah. No. Then we're all haters. We're all haters. No. Because they can say

he the best. No. Who do you say he not? Who do you say he not? Who do you say he not? So is LeBron the best ever? If LeBron said it. I mean, he has.

But you don't consider him the best ever. I'm a hater. No, you're not. That's your opinion. No. You can have an opinion. Because I'm hating.

Because I'm hating. If LeBron feel he the best and he say it out his mouth, nigga, who am I to say no? No, but you might have a valid opinion. I don't have a valid opinion because that's him. But that's not how you do it. That's not how we do arguments. That's not how. Because the fucking public and the society is the way it is.

It's like everybody feel they can have a fucking opinion about some shit. A personal... Somebody of their own say, I am this. Who the fuck are you to tell me that I'm not? What? No, no. What the fuck do you mean? Who the fuck are you to tell me that I'm not?

No, no. I don't want to fucking hear that. It definitely depends on the levels of who it is. Like, certain people can't. Yes, I get what you're saying. But if we're sitting up here, you're sitting up here, we're all sitting up here, which we played in the league, and somebody say they're the greatest and we denying it, that don't mean that we're a hater. We actually play on that same court.

So how can we? That's just our opinion. Because he has the right to say he's whoever he wants to be. No, no, he can. And I'm not saying it's not right. I'm just saying, well, to me, that's just not it. If you're not going to say he's whoever he want to fucking be. No, no, he can. And I'm not saying it's not right. I'm just saying, well, to me, that's just not it. If you're not going to support it, don't say nothing at all. Because you hate.

And if you... Okay, but why do I have to sit up here and listen to it? You don't. You don't have to listen to it. You don't have to comment on it. You don't have to respond to it. If the niggas say, hey, look, I'm the greatest of all time. What's up?

All right. That's a bet. Okay, cool. That's a bet. Okay, cool. That's a bet. Everybody not going to do that. Everybody got some type of hate shit to say about it. The only problem I have. So why is telling the truth hating?

What is the truth? What's the truth behind it? What the fuck is telling the truth hating? What is the truth? That's your opinion. No, no, no, no. Yeah, yeah. So so if you say you the greatest NBA player of all time and I tell you out of your goddamn mind am I hating? Yeah Cuz you're not I'm not Because no one

No one else now you with this hey, so tell me someone else that agrees with you then I'll agree with you You don't have to because so be more than Hurry agrees with me. I think Steph Curry's the greatest ever. He says yeah, I agree with you, but I am the great You're arguing something that's not cool about well I mean that like like it's not it's not a provable thing if you just say I'm the best ever and then someone says no you're not and then You say yes, I am because I said so that's not that's that's not why do I have to prove it Gilbert? That's all I'm saying because the confidence in reality is two different Only thing that makes reality this conversation

Sounds like hey, I'm a mrs. Arenas like that. They do that Gilbert. That's and we probably do now Oh, you do want to identify as a fucking girl? Mr. This is arena. We call you the we're gonna call you arenas. We're gonna kill you the loser We're gonna call you delusion or not. They're gonna call you just Are they gonna say it's a pronoun you're not gonna say you're delusional I don't say you identify's a pronoun, Gilbert. They're not going to say you're delusional. They're going to say you identify as a woman now, Gilbert. I don't know what you identify with. I don't care.

That's what you just said, nigga. Back to the point guards. Back to the point guards. You just said that. Back to the point guards. When it comes to magic, this is the only problem I have when we're talking about the greatest, right? Where's the factor in that he came into a dynasty? Right?

The team went to the Western Conference final two years straight. Two years straight, which means this is a fucking good team. They add him, win a championship. Right? His legacy is already above everyone because he already got put onto a dynasty team. Right? Out of his first 10 years, he went to the finals eight times, won five championships.

Right? In that same timeframe, he was the number one pick, won a championship. The reason they didn't win it the second time, because he was hurt. He comes back healthy, championship. Right? Then they lost, and then they get James Worthy the number one pick. The team was so good, James Worthy didn't even start the first year.

Right? He didn't even, the number one pick didn't even start. That's how good this team was. Right? So you inherited this greatness where you become, this is like giving fucking

the Lakers, This greatness where you become this is like giving fucking The Lakers the shit Boston Boston yes, no shit we get Boston you give Now Bucks Bucks Miami you give them windy When they don't you give a Victor like what come on you that that's like, you know what I mean? He's gonna get inherited Greatness off the jump right? No Magic did his thing. Absolutely right taking an office. No, no When you're talking about greatness and you're talking about

Championships and you're trying to stand behind championship your team went to the finals eight straight times and they just added you. They just added you. You won a championship because you were the Western Conference final team two years fucking straight. You didn't go to some bottom feeding team and you had to build it like Steph. So you're saying that the conversation is questionable with Magic being

considered the greatest? When we're talking about greatness, right? It's what did you like, it should be where did you start from? What did you build? What did you take it to? If Magic got dropped onto a Western Conference finals

team and then the next step is championship every year, I mean come on. We're talking about like Steph, they won 26 games games 23 games. They drafted him He's got her, you know, they get clay clay's the number 11th pick right Clayton start, right? Right, right, right Clayton start right, right Then two more seasons then you get Draymond green Draymond green didn't start the first three seasons

The first year he started, they won a championship. Then they became a dynasty. A bottom-feeding team became the dynasty versus the guy who got inherited the dynasty. Back then, it was flipping coins. It was like fucking football.

Who's going to get the kickball first? That's who got the number one or two pick. As long as you flip, you got one or two. They got that twice. You're talking about a who got the number one or two pick. So as long as you flip, you got one or two. They got that twice. You're talking about a dynasty getting the number one pick two out of the next four years. That's bullshit.

Think about Bird. Bird goes, you get inherited a team. Yeah, you go right to Boston. So Tim Duncan was the pick and number one pick and just imagine they already had the number one pick like three years later Three but not but nothing Tim Duncan's right

His team was a great team. Yep. It was the number one team Then they all got hurt got the number one pick at Tim Duncan. Oh, we're dynasty again. That's some bullshit That's bullshit. you know I mean but no one wants to throw into that equation that their first championship who doesn't got 99 but it was just like the Lakers there you're tweeting on oh they were right there all the data right there on the season to get dunk in then but before that there was before that in one two one one two like everybody go always have an opinion man because you can't I don't think your opinion is a hater

Though yeah, not at all. This means delusion over here man haters Your opinion a positive this fucking so like so to me like if we're gonna say the best point guard ever I have to give it to the guy who technically in our sense came from the mud, right? He actually built like michael jordan we see your team was trash and y'all built this championship yeah steph curry built this championship bird and larry y'all was y'all was giving a great team tim duncan he was giving a great team everyone's not fortunate yeah don't take away from the greatness but the fact remains yeah you start you're starting you're starting

Yeah here. Yes, and all you got to do is just walk motherfucker Just up the up the thing everybody else is starting from the bottom. Everything is already set for you Yes, so all you got to do is just just this is all set. So what's the criteria? for which one Greatest point guard of all time. He said it. It's everything. Influence, like, you know, like, how many, when Magic was doing, like, what was his staple on the world? Showtime. Showtime.

Okay, but him himself. The fast break. The fast break. Shoes. No. Right, was anybody trying to mimic, was anybody trying to create 6'9 point guards back then? No.

Smiling. Right? No look passes. No look passes. No, I mean mean but what I'm saying is was was the game being mimicked after magic no because the Pete was doing no looks before what I'm saying the game wasn't mimicked after magic because Jordan because Jordan came yeah Jordan came right after that and everybody wanted to be Jordan everybody wanted to fly but to say nobody wanted there was a moment there was a moment of magic, no looks, showtime. No, no, for sure.

No, no, for sure. There was a moment. But before Jordan got there. But not like Mike, though. Mike came in. No, I'm saying before Mike got there, there was the magic moment. Magic had its time. It was wide or black.

It might have been a small moment. It was wide or black. Bird or Magic. It's been three game changers. They single-handedly changed the game of basketball, dawg. Three. Three. Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, and Steph Curry, man. Ch changed the game of basketball dog three three Michael Jordan Shaquille O'Neal and Steph Curry my change the game of basketball the way the game of basketball is ref coached play

Drafted all them three guys single-handedly changed the game of basketball Allen Iverson. No, uh-huh He changed he changed He changed the culture a culture of bass. He didn't change the game. He passed it. He changed the culture. The culture of basketball. He didn't change the game. I said basketball. He changed the culture. Culture of basketball. Like everybody wanted to have braids.

Everyone wanted to get leave tattoos. The culture, absolutely. We're talking about the game. Inside the game. Inside the game itself. Everybody wants to be Curry. And everybody was, motherfuckers was getting drafted.

I fucking disagree. How? Everybody was getting drafted because of Shaq. Because of Shaq. Ah, I fucking disagree. Everybody was getting drafted. Because I'm a title

to my fucking opinion. Cool. Everybody was getting drafted. Just like everybody got assholes. He was loading up on big man just because Shaq. Right now, everybody, every Aau kid wants to be

Like step I want to be like Mike every kid wants to be like stuff because there's more With the discussion to bed, let's put the discussion to bed. So this yeah, no discussion No, but that's that's the thing. So when I say who's the best guard best point guard ever? I got a look at who transcended, who everyone identifies with. Total body of water. Who started from the bottom to the top. Yeah. Right?

That's curvy. But you give stuff that's not. Listen, I give them. Look, when it comes to the numbers, magic, what he did, God damn it, can't be duplicated. For sure. It can't be duplicated. If he was in today's game, God damn it, he wouldn't be stopped. Yeah, because you can't discredit what's on paper. You can't disc duplicate sure for sure it can't be do but if he was in today's game god dammit He wouldn't be stopped you can write this credit was on pay you can't do that at all But if they start but but I can tell you this but if he started

From the bottom he wouldn't have five rings But what would you what's more impressive to you magic's five rings or steps forward knowing that stuff got before steps I've got two of those with KD though step four rings. on joe don't do that i'm just asking you about that bubble ring man but what i'm saying is you got magic you talk about you come into a a winning franchise right eight finals to get those five rings steph got the two with kd one outside of those i guess bro i got two with the wing way throw that out there i'm not even bringing brown into your question but i'm just saying so do so do you think Magic's five

are more impressive or Steph's four? You have to go with the guy who had a bad team, just like Michael Jordan's legacy is built from where he started to what he did.

He grinded from the beginning. For sure. That's what I'm saying. You're talking about a guy who got a golden spoon from the beginning of his career. You came in.

You have arguably, I mean the number two scoring the best score. All time. All time. You have him on your team at the beginning of your career. What else you got to do? Worst case scenario, give it the ball to that dude right there. Worst case scenario. As a point guard. Doesn't scenario. That's a point guard.

Magic is the shooting guard. Him and Norm Nixon splitting the point guard responsibilities. And then when they realized, eh, Magic, let's just go put this ball in Magic's hands. They were both averaging like 10 assists. 10 assists. I mean, if you go back and look at those stats and those numbers, what they were doing in that show. Listen, when you can bring the number one draft pick off the bench

You got a fucking great ass team. Yeah That's how great your team is blame the Cavs, but I'm just I'm just saying that's just that's just the reality of it We don't want to talk about the reality We don't want to talk about what was going on back in this the 50s 60s 70s 80s when it came to drafting Yeah, oh you you ever give it this and you give this, and we'll give you our pick if we last. Flip coin. Yeah. What the fuck was that?

But even how the Lakers got worthy from the Cavs trade and the NBA instituted the rule where you couldn't trade first round picks in consecutive years because the Cavs owner was smoking crack. For the second time in season one I fucking agree with Gilbert I fucking agree this is number two number two I fucking agree I mean there's a lot of discussion like I'm all hood oh and I'm always going just rock with magic just because the influence on the court off the court if Steph opens up a movie theater with unlimited strawberry soda refills in the hood,

he will be... No, no, no. That's what I need. That's all you got to do. But as I said, the impact... But that's the problem. The impact that, you know, Magic, you know,

Bird had, you know, it was racism going in and it was motherfuckers battling that bitch out on the court. Right? And it was battling that motherfucker who was going to win black or white at that time? Listen, we get

that. But when it comes down to when you're talking about somebody's legacy, it seems like it's a better feel if the guy... We like Batman. We good. We like Batman. Billionaire becomes who he is.

You got all the tools, bitch. You got all the tools, god damn it. We do want to see the Joker whoop your ass a couple times We do but you know Steph coming from how he started his career hurt Losing bad team and they got better within the organization to build what they built Yeah, right. That's more that's way more impressive than Western Conference Finals, Western Conference Finals. Oh, we got the number one pick. You mentioned LeBron too. Does LeBron

need to be in this conference? Listen, when we do starting five, y'all always see my starting five. They be like, point guard, LeBron. Number one. You sit there with the 6'9 motherfucking Magic Johnson. Why can't I get the 6'9? Who's supposed to be Magic 2.0?

Yep. Right? Point forward. Point forward. What the fuck is the difference? No difference. I do it every time. Everybody hate it.

Only thing I got to say, if we're going to throw this, KD going to the Warriors thing for Steph, we got to do it with LeBron. We do it with everybody. I'm just saying, you're talking about Magic being essentially drafted into a super team. You got to do it with LeBron. We do whatever I'm not I'm just saying you talking about magic being back So she drafted into a super team

You gotta just mention that that that steps for rings two of those were with but he built that You build I mean whoever came to like what should at that point no would who the fuck need to come to the Lakers Y'all had y'all then y'all had y'all the Mafia over there y'all the Lakers y'all had every number one pick y'all could possibly get But how is that an asterisk on Steph not an asterisk on KD? I'm saying it's not No, not actually going nobody and neither one but I'm saying it's the steps teams at that point So when we talk about the greatest though when we saying greatest right and we saying like, okay Who's the greatest player of all time people say braun? Well, then if we're gonna throw that that thing about KD going over there

Well, then we got to throw that thing about brawn going over there to play with doing it Wait, yeah, I mean and that could not if championships are included But that but you see why I always like push back on that championship because it's it's like when you look through history You're looking at some of these guys who's using their rings and like yeah, yo You can't do that today. You can't be the number one pick in the draft going to the second or third best team in the NBA. That doesn't happen anymore.

Right, you can't do that. That's like Ant-Man being drafted, instead of Wise Man, Ant-Man being drafted to Golden State Warriors. Yep. Now he's sitting around here talking about, yeah, I'm a champ, I'm all this, I'm better than y'all. That's- You know who that could have happened to?

That could have happened to Melo if he would have got picked by Denver, Detroit. Yeah. Like if they pick- But that could have been a guy who came off the bench. Behind Rick Hamilton and all of them. But that could have been but that could have been a guy who came off the bench hmm Behind my word Hamilton and all of them Sean Princeton he could have been a guy who came off the pitch but here we're gonna start it like that But his legacy would have been the old shot the roof because by the time he kicked in his skills. Yeah

They would have been dominant. Yeah, they had all the pieces already He would have just tapped in and then from there You're just adding one or two P getting a fucking 15 12 35th draft pick at that point in a matter that would have looked scary But I mean think about you you lose a championship you lose a championship right you win. It would all look different though It would have been scared, but it would have been It would all look different because it mellow in Detroit. I'm never in Denver. I'm still in Jersey. And we, yeah, it would all look different. I went to Denver because Melo was in Denver. But you could have been in Detroit instead of somebody, Ben Wallace now.

But you see how you just trade one piece and add. That's why I said when you look at the Lakers roster, you're sitting here looking like, all right, we got Magic, we got Kareem, we got James, we got Michael Cooper, we got our five. All we're doing is just adding little pieces here and there. You're not building anything. There's no build there. You're just tweaking your sixth, seventh, eighth man. And, you know, Kurt Rambis, when, you know, our number one pick gets his game,

then we just insert you, get rid of you, bring somebody in. What the fuck is that? That's what the game was then. Yeah. Right now, you know what I mean? That's crazy. It's different. Like, come on, you got five rings in eight years?

How good is your team then? Man. But you went to the finals every year. You know what I mean? It's a different thing. Can we tell the people in the chat to start posting this shit so we can get 12.5 in the chat? Oh, can we get... Don't listen to whatever Gil says after this. I know that's his chat. We need 12.5. Why everybody want to whatever Gil says after this.

I know, yes, it's Chad. Why everybody want to get me drugged up? Because you're going to tell them to jump off. You're going to tell them to jump off. You're fucking up our money. We already had the 10K deal. As you know, Gil reneged on it. He reneged on it.

I'm going to say something, though. From Steph. You got a text from him? What's up? You got a text from him? I didn't get a text from Steph. When I asked him, I said, and we can take it either way, right?

And I said, who's behind you then? I mean, Detroit got to stand up a little bit yeah he said Zeke god damn it but I didn't want to bring him into the discussion cuz he only got two but I'm gonna I grew up a bad Detroit what happens thing I said I said you know and he was like Zeke let it be known let it be known why you do that he said he wanted to be told you paid

you paid you paid in the B4 and I'm Detroit on my ass you know what I'm saying you know what I'm saying no I know but my brain's jaded because I always I have the Ron as a point guard I understand but but you you want a few and then if we talking just we're going on numbers

or we're championships and I don't we have to go do we have to put championships in it as well I don't because then you got John Stockton which, which it's hard not to equate him. He's in the top five for sure. But some people have John Stockton as two, three, whatever, in front of Zeke. You know what I'm saying?

Jake is in the top five. But as far as numbers, John Stockton is the... the reason I don't do numbers Is this you put you know? If you if y'all start digging on home assist First road assist. Oh, there's a big old different with John Stockton with all of them It was very freely at the house.

Let's just say that on some of them. Oh, yeah. You know, somebody averaging like 11 assists, they averaging 14 at home and on that road is getting upset. But, you know. Okay, 7-8.

7-8. You know, some of these numbers is really inflated because you don't know. And then today's game is different than, you know, so it seems like if some of these numbers is really inflated because you don't know and then today's game is different than you know So it seemed like if some of those older guys was under today's rules where I can pass it to you You can take two dribbles and shoot the ball. You would think that they have more assists But how is it in the game back in the day was just get right to the point get right to the point

But if we said like you saying like if the numbers are inflated at home compared to away, doesn't that go with home court advantage being able to play good on the road, or play bad on the road, but we play excellent at home? No. 16, 15 assists a game is just... No, it's called, I like John Stockton. That's my guy. Yeah. That was an assist.

Carmelo... You talking about the stat guy? Yeah. So the stat guy over there's bad the stats You see sets at the half on the road like Oh you got me down here with three Shit down as a team Cuz a team assist that goes under the whoever the best player is at that time So they don't know who he is

Let it team rebound whoever the leading rebounder is on that team. Yeah, it's getting that yeah Yeah, Katie Martin got 19. He needs 20. Yeah for career. I you know this team rebounding damn Damn, y'all are pulling the curtain back especially at home no but i'm like but far as this point guards you gotta i'm saying you got steph magic this what their position has them listed as yeah i'm saying then you got zeke john stock, then it's J.K. Now, if we was all picking right now, who's going to pick Stockton over J.K.?

Nobody. And that's how I look at it. Who knows basketball, they will. I mean, who is nobody? Who is these nobodies? Anybody but Utah. Utah. You're crazy. People that know basketball is her opinion John Stockton in top five

What did he do? That was I mean beside led the league in a city deals. We end up into the finals twice I mean everybody the 90s got the same story. We lost to one guy. It's one guy. What about Hakeem? Hakeem, lucky Mike went to go do that. You're talking about the game. I'm sure. The game itself. I mean, you can see how it's played. I got a 6'5 point guard. If you line him up.

People pick J.K. I'm just, why? J.K. is that dog. I said J.K. is the dog. Because defensively. If this I'm just why? Jake Is that dog? Huh? I said Jake is adult because defensively defensively strong like five strong you John Better defender

Because no no no no no no he did that no he did that go by got Addie John got Addie. Oh, I got him his rookie here John, I don't remember what happened to my second year John. Let him know that I have no first year got you But I even know I played the last game of the season like that. What's the difference between... Retire. Get off the court, old man. Who got old pops here? Old pops. Look, listen. I bust that man's ass so bad, they offer me 72 million. Nah, that's a lie.

Not off John. Nah, you ain't getting that off John. Cap! You ain't getting that off John. Now, you ain't getting that off John. Nah, not off John. 72. He was retired.

72. I turned it down. I'm not following John Stockton over there. I don't even play the same style. That's career ending Not John 72 for six What's the difference between JK and John? They both been to the fun. Oh well one got a rain My like 20 pounds skills, but skills skills

What's the difference between one vision was unreal one one vision was gamma I say yeah unreal JK vision was like honest. That's one give me something else defense In guard one. I mean, you know three women do me use your thing. How many all defensive did JK make? Oh No, no, no I mean, you know how many John you you know how many John made, though. Okay, how about this? You know how many John made?

How about this? Let's try this. John made eight. Will John Stockton stop Jason Kidd? Yeah, nine for Jason Kidd. Nine. Four first team, five for you. So he has more.

Well, you said. So John Stockton has more. I mean, Jake Kidd has more than that. You said that John Stockton can stop Zeke. Nine is more than eight. Yeah, so he has more. You said John Stockton can stop Zeke. No, I didn't I Didn't say he stop I didn't say he can use up Zeke. I said he had more defensive You say John Stockton was locking that shit up. We got not not Zeke. We got the clue not Zeke

I didn't say Z. I said he was just locking up if Zeke is the head of the snake Why he locking people down to get these defensive these are cooking John so the difference between so I'm just saying like the difference between John and J kid when you talk about top five it's all like if I was to reorder my top five because I had J kid Zeke so you have J kid so what no I'm saying if I was to reorder it I would put Steph at the top and then I would would put Zeke, Jkid, John Stockton, CP. So where's Magic? So John Stockton...

That's not in my top five, because he's not a point guard to me. He's a point forward. I'm not putting Magic or LeBron or none of the hybrid point guards. I'm putting the guys who play true point guard. So then Steph would be a hybrid point guard considered too? I wouldn't consider him that now because... That's what I'm saying. The game has changed so much that

it's just hard to... What does the point guard mean? The point guard's job is to initiate the offense and create scoring opportunities. If they create that shit for themselves, that's still a scoring opportunity. Listen, you're telling me. That's what I'm saying. Magic Johnson himself technically fucked up the point

guard position. Because when he came in and did what he did from that position, everyone assumed and everyone went on the thing that we need to bring in the guy who makes the team better, who can run the offense. That's a one of one. You cannot recopy that.

That's why if you take Magic out, every championship from Magic moving forward to today, the point guard position, it was averaging 4.1 assists a game from that position.

It was not impactful of making the team better. Since Magic, Kyle Lowry has the most assists coming in from the point guard position. It's him, Avery Johnson, J-Kid when he won it in Dallas. From that position.

It's not a guy who was sitting there, it's not the guy who's sitting there creating all this offense for everybody. No CP? No, he ain't won no championship. Oh, you're't won no championship. Oh, you're saying championships, okay. When Rondo won it, Rondo wasn't Rondo. Rondo was just a nigga on the court

that they was trying to get rid of the whole time. That's why he hate the rest of them. Remember, they was questioning, oh, he was a second-year player. He was a second-year player when he won. They was like, who is this dude? He didn't start, like, why are we, like, we need to bring him some, that's when they bring there was like who is this dude? He didn't he didn't start like why are we like we need to bring us up?

That's when they bring and they bring in like Sam Casale He was bringing in all these guys because they didn't believe in Rondo and when Rondo won a championship Yeah, sure one change there. Yeah, don't talk to me Don't talk to me. I don't be on the window be on the Rondo bandwagon now And that's where all that beef started from with them. Yo, you got CP3 top five? Yeah. Over Tony Parker? Yeah. Yeah, 100%.

100% over Tony Parker. But see, Tony Parker only averaged what? The most he averaged was a six, five. So I need to. 100% over Tony Parker. Speaking of that Laker team and that dynasty, can y'all ask me in the last how tall was a Kareem

72 right so yeah seven. Yeah, yes, I'm too How come the last eight years of his career he didn't even ask ten rebounds the fuck was he did it was tired You say the last how many the last eight years eight years is a long time like the last eight years of his career I'm a cap at that thing cruise control What it was magic going to get it and they just go I'm gonna go get how many James H Hey, I'm gonna go don't even talk about James. James. I'm gonna carry this ball. He bows in James I'm gonna get on this block worthy this hand big James big game James I had I think James average the Moses the most he ever had was probably five and a half six

So that's the magic going that they know magical remaining magic seven. He was a seven again It was a but I'm saying James worthy your power forward averaging three five six like what the fuck was what the fuck was y'all? Big man doing where was getting bucketsuggies? Yeah, what was your big man doing James ain't rebounded normal fucking up the cap Green these guys He not here to fucking cool. Garth was rebounding Garth's and rebound. That's what I'm saying. That's your job Y'all go y'all run James. Where he was like ball go up he go I got a question for you with Jake here. Was he telling y'all to go? No, no So easy just coming in there and getting the ball was just go not a ball. He ain't going to get it

Right. That's the thing. He was going that's the thing when people were talking about all that bullshit by Russ I mean you can say all that shit you want me that should take effort Yeah, I seen him off of do. Go get that bitch and take off going the other way. Hey, that bitch come off the rim. I got it. He going to get it. Yeah, I mean, hey, when you think about it, y'all, hey, Russ was rebounding more than Kareem was. Kareem's

line of eight years. He rebound better than, shit, Steph rebound better than fucking, uh... Listen, that shit was not... You going to get the ball? We just take off. Like, whoever was closer, we just get there. If one of us could be hey, he right there, we gonna but no, he just go get the ball.

So we got Kareem B, Isaiah No, no, Isaiah thought that Steph said Robert Hoard Robert Hoard, that's the loser. Ain't no Zeke B for him. Talk about it shot fire

Robert shot at you no he shot at me he was shooting cause he he watched the clip he received inaccurate information

I think that's where the anger came from he gotta actually watch it I listen listen I why am I arguing with a dude

who got 2,000 people on his YouTube page stop man yeah stop he just started he just started now you're talking to a motherfucker who got 2,000 people on his YouTube page. Stop, man. He just started. He just started now, dude. Talking to a motherfucker who got 2,000.

He just started now. Get your weight up, God damn it. You need me. You need me. I'm clout chasing. You clout chasing. God damn. 2,000. We're uplifting the basketball podcast community. We're uplifting.

We're uplifting. Big shot by them We are uplifting. Okay. We are uplifting. Big shot by them saying them seven rings ain't getting you no views. That's all I'll say. Where them seven rings at, man? That's hot. Put it, put it. Hey, seven ring ball. That might get you some clicks.

It got me. Oh, shit. Man, those seven rings ain't helping you in the afterlife. I know you would take that 300 million right now. Turn the AC on, man. What the fuck? Underdog fantasy. I'm just being, I'm just sitting over here, man. He started it, coming back.

But he got inaccurate information. So I can understand. Imagine if somebody tell you, oh, Gil said this, that, whatever, that information. But that's why your information need to be right. And then it's like, I could go watch a video, but if you're older, you're not going to do that. That shit is tiring. I'm just going to take whoever's word for it. Oh, Gil said X, Y, or Z.

That's hilarious. 2,100. I don't care. I'm taking that 300 million. Y'all go on. Let's go ahead. Keep going. So we asked the chat, J. Kidd or Stockton.

The chat picked Jason K kid 75% of 25% But it's a lot of we talk about generational. Hey, there's a lot of generational haters in the chat. So there's no telling James where the lucky said at six point four rebounds was the most Is correct and not rebounding for sure That's why it's also home. Okay. so what type of player would James really be today? In this era. Like, what's his value today? He wasn't athletic either, was he?

Yeah, he was. He was fast. He's like Draymond to me. Like Draymond, but more offensive. Yeah, more offensive. He could get the rebound, take it full court. Because Magic was moving, because he was on a fast break so much you really never really saw his game. You never really like He was a recipient at all the fast breaks most I'm saying like how good are these players like they only play for one team

So like what would they look like in other systems? It's a good question. I mean, I mean shit. I think that's the I think that's So he had to. I mean, shit, he was the number one player in college, so he had to be... I mean, but it wasn't hard being great back then. He was good. He was good. He was good, bro. I don't know. That's like Iceman.

Iceman could play... They didn't have a three-line back then. It was easier. Certain niggas could play in this era because it wasn't about your level of athleticism more than it was getting into the paint, getting those touches off.

I watched Iceman's highlights and I'm like, yo, he could definitely play in this league. He was getting buckets. There's no defense. So if you get to your spots and you was a master

at your spot, all you got to do is finish. So now it's like it ain't about athleticism more than it is about if you can actually play the game. I think some of them dudes back then can actually play, but if they got to their spots, it's money. Ain't no stopping that shit. I doubt it.

I'm telling you. I doubt today. They don't batman. They're not playing on defense today. Who playing D? Nobody playing on defense. I can tell you this right now. They can say whatever they want, but

I can tell you most of the white players that was back then, they ain't playing in today's game. You're saying white players? Yeah. I ain't say nothing about no white players. You think Kevin McHale's playing in this? You don't think Kevin McHale? Who? Kevin McHale. Fuck no! Did you see his movements back then?

Ooh. Ooh. Ooh. Okay, who you taking? Healthy Bill Walton or Kevin McHale? McHale. Exactly. Hell no. McHale.

Fuck no. Over healthy Bill. Fuck no. Hell yeah. Bill Walton? The hurt Bill Walton was busting McHale's ass. They had to pull him back. Listen, Bill Walton is overrated.

I ain't a fan of Kevin McHale. Not that first to dare to pull him back. Hey, that's a bill Walters over. I ain't a fan Okay, not that first not that first I don't know what dr. J listen dr. J said Healthy bill Walton I'll take I'll run my franchise over him before Bird. I mean, Dr. Dre don't even have Michael in his top five, so I can't. We can't listen. We can't listen. No, no, no.

Mike's not in your top five. I'm not listening. Nobody talk if Mike's not in your top five. That's not his era. But this is his era. All right, well. You know, Bill Walton and Bird is his era. Who asked well... But this is his era. All right, well... Bill Walton and Burt is his era, so he's the... Who asked him about his era?

I did. Oh, okay. I mean... I did, I did in the big three. All right, well... You know what I mean? Keep that off the camera. My information...

When I make takes and I poke at an era, I've already got the information. I done talked to a few from that era. And I poke at an era, I've already got the information. But I done talked to a few from that era. So, you know, when I was calling them drunks, I already knew it was hard white. I was just being nice. Rick Berry or Larry Bird? Larry Bird. I'm not taking somebody from the 50s.

I'm sorry. He's from the 50s. I'm sorry. He's from the 50s? All right, so where does the era of basketball- Come on, Gil. Where does the era of basketball- Where does the era of basketball- When basketball started. When basketball started.

It was like, I mean, was he playing when they were still doing like the peach bowl? They still had the peach bowl and shit when- When was Rick Barry playing, bro? They would still shoot like this and shit. 1965 to 1980. 1965 to 1980. What era of basketball? When they was still doing...

This is back when... When they was doing that shit, I'm not taking you serious. I don't give a fuck what you're talking about. So Rick Barry wasn't cold? When they said, you was cold for that era, you sit here,

we'll laugh at you. Try that shit today. Somebody sit here doing'll laugh at you So Hey, no bullshit. Listen, I found the clip of Chuck Hayes on the free throw line. Oh, wow. Stop, man. Fuck that. I intentionally found him so he can go to the line. Yes.

How do you think he got on the line by himself? Yeah. How do you think he got on the line by himself? So we can get our fucking laugh. Yeah, man. You're a bully. You're a bully. We all standing up, looking at this man

getting ready to travel on the free throw line. I was laughing like, that's a travel. That's a travel. That's a travel. Come on, man. Where's the AC at, man? I'm just saying, come's a travel. That's a travel. Come on, man. Where is the AC at, man? It's hot, man.

I'm just saying, come on, man. There's just some shit that you just... There's just some shit that we'll be just laughing at tonight. It is straight. You got to see all these dudes on the road. No, I'm just saying, man. Yeah, it's like traveling on the free throw line. Yeah, you travel across the line.

Lane violation. Travel all together. Shit don't count. Well, like I get, listen, I get the whole debate if we had your resources, we would do this. Well, if you had our resources, your game would be different also, right? Your game wouldn't be the same. Evolution is evolution.

Where's the American white? Hmm. They're becoming- Ho Where's the American white? They're becoming athletic, losing more of the fundamental. They're losing the fundamental. Now you're jumping into a field that you're not actually

an expert at, which is athleticism. So what you had before was the nuances of the game, the understanding of the courts, the nuance. You're not doing that anymore because you're trying to be athletic, but you're the lowest of the athleticism. Right? So, you're getting pushed out of this game, and that's where the Euros come in because they don't have athleticism. So, they're winning by winning by you know the fundamentals of

this right so you're telling me that if you had all of our resources you would be this certain type of player evolution says no no I'm just saying evolution is telling you no right you're playing again if you're playing it well how tall was Rick six five six six you're guarding it you're playing it. How tall was Rick 6566 For you your garden what you got in Westbrook you guarding Huh You six seven you six seven so who Jimmy Butler knowledge. I can't wait for Rick Barry to pull up or you know Rick Rick gonna have a word

But what is the art is just like Bob Cousy talking about No, I mean, I think he's talking about niggas. But what is the argument? It's just like Bob Cousy talking about, yeah, I would have stopped you. Shut up. Bob Cousy was doing shit with his head that year. No, but he was giving you some of this too. Look. Good fundamental. Get off me.

Get off me. Yeah, I played against a five-year-old. That same shit. Get off me. That is what we do. We teach them.. Get off me. That is what we do. We teach them. Come on, man. That is what we teach them.

You know the drill inside the circle? You got to get inside the circle. Get off me. Get off me. Inside the circle. The game is being evolutionized. Listen, we get it. We can say this all we want.

We can back for the older generation. They had their part, just like we had our part just like 30, 40 years from now, the game is going to be very different. The motherfuckers might be flying. There's going to be somebody jumping from a three-point line. But if we ask today, Michael Jordan, do you think Dr. J or any of those guys back in that day will stop you? He would laugh.

Right? Magic would laugh at Bob. You think Bob Cousy. He would laugh. Right? Even though we're going to say, oh, yeah, you know, they're great. Dr. J, you think Rick Barry is going to stop you? He's going to laugh.

Yeah. Right? Because obviously they're not. Right? They're going to stop. You know what I mean? Just let the game keep moving and we can save when we had when we did it We was good at it. Okay, you know, but it's this is the past the song though

We officially have broken the record for slandering the most former players in a One hour window of gills arena. So that's a new we got slander and we just is just perspective. We're just having our opinion I like that word Respect. We're just perspective. We're just having an opinion. I like that word, perspective. We're just hating. We hate. Yes. Shit.

But now let's keep this thing moving. Second to last segment of the day. But today is Kobe Bryant's birthday. He would have been 45 years old today. I know everybody on this couch has a tremendous amount of love and respect. And Kobe means something to you in different ways. When we talk about Mamba, what does that mamba mentality mean to you? Mamba mentality is eat or be eaten is really what it is? Right now I mean, you know, I when he passed everybody

Diluted what the mamba mentality is but when he was in mamba mentality, no one liked it No one liked this the his thought process the selfishness that they thought was selfish But you know in reality, this is the mamba mentality if I'm taking 500 shots a day and I'm working out four or five times a day and we get into a game, I don't like your work ethic. So why am I passing you the ball? You're selfish for actually calling forward knowing you didn't put any work in. That's the selfish part. The selfish part is not me. The selfish part is you won the ball.

You was at the club last night drinking and she didn't all doing all that And then you just come in here smelling like booze doing it. Yo, yo, I'm open No, you're not Your self it that's that's considered selfish. So no one liked what real mama mentality is mama mentality is You know his girls team lose right? They all crying because they got beat by this team in the championship and they all work their ass off to face that other team and then they beat them by

70 and they're wondering why Kobe won't take the press off. I think they beat the ass by 100. By 100. Because Kobe don't want to take the press. Why am I going to take the press off when my girls been thinking about this for the last six months? They eating.

Y'all was fine when y'all was eating. Y'all was laughing and giggling. My girls is laughing and giggling now. That's the mama mentality. And you said, from an outsider's perspective, the casual fan, they'll look at players as selfish. But that point you're elaborating on is like y'all get to see firsthand who's actually putting the work in. I think a lot of time from the outside, we look and think, well, shit, they're in the league, so they must be working hard, when

that's not obviously the reality of it. And sports is the only place where it becomes, it's a team thing, right? And then that person at the top becomes this selfish being if he's not sharing the... There's a reason that, like if

you're averaging 35, right, I don't need to look at you and say, yo, why you, why you averaging 35? There's a reason you're averaging 35. There's a reason. There's this, it's not rocket science. Why a motherfucker, just one person averaging 35 and the rest of them is just looking at him passing the ball because they haven't earned his trust yet. They haven't did nothing for him to say, all right, your turn, or you get a little bit.

He's waiting for somebody to come over there to help him out. Nobody wants to sit there and average 40 every single day. That's tiring. Just the world thinks it's what we, you know what I mean? What we want to do. Go to a workplace. I want everybody to go to the office, right? And you putting in, you know,

how many hours, motherfucker, work regularly? This is called a 60 hours. 60 hours a week? That's a hell of a work week. See, okay, you working 60 hours a week, right? What is part-time a week? Like 20? Anything under 40, I don't want to pay your rent. So 20 hours a week, right? What is part-time a week? Like 20? Anything under 40, I don't want to pay your rent.

So 20 hours a week. So the person that's averaging 60 hours, you split your bonus with the dude that's averaging 20 hours. You're not going to do it. You're not going to do it. So why should a motherfucker who's sitting in the gym four hours,

you know, four times a day, split the ball with a motherfucker who's sitting in the gym four hours you know four times a day split the ball with a dude who's taking four five shots in practice oh yeah i'm good i'm not it's not gonna happen because you're not gonna do it in your regular work so uh i think for me the uh kobe mama mentality means just like relentless, just never giving up and never giving in. I think my experiences with Kobe, I remember playing against him a couple of times in Milwaukee at the game winner on us. I remember towards the end of his career, he was he had he had a point where he was guarding all the point guards every game. And I just remember hitting a three on him, and he tapped me on the side, like, good shot, young fella.

But that was pretty cool. But also, like, just I remember being in high school, waking up at, like, 530 in the morning, seeing him work out, you know, early. I remember us having to wear Kobe tights back in the day. We used to go to conference while meeting by Kobe tights. I remember we started wearing the black tights. So his influence on the kids was definitely huge. And I remember

asking him a picture when I tore my Achilles to ask him could he take a picture of my son and he was cool about it and took a picture of my son just talking about life and the work ethic and what it takes to be great and I really appreciated that from him. So that was my story on Kobe.

So you got a kid? So I mean for me And I really appreciated that from him. So that was my story on Kobe. You got it, kid. So, I mean, for me, the mentality for Kobe, you know, as a Kobe guy, man, since 2000 has to be the breadcrumbs that he left behind, not so much of everything that he done in his career because that speaks for itself. But I think that when you talk about legacy, you talk about greatness is what you give back to the game. And that mentality was not just an example throughout his career of his leadership, but it's what happened after he was retired and all the breadcrumbs that he left behind of

what you need to do. All the videos and the inspirational motivational clips that he left behind to give back to the next generation and that's why the mama mentality lives on because if he doesn't have the perspective of giving back and telling the kids exactly what this mentality means what it what it embodies not just going out there shooting a bunch of shots but more so giving them the words of encouragement of never giving up, you know, knowing why I didn't want to pass to those guys. It was because you don't work harder than me. He's saying it out of his mouth. He's not just something you got to go find out from some teammate or some coach.

Like he left those breadcrumbs. And I think that if more players did that, the influence of the game and the culture would be more appreciated from the real standpoint of hoop, where we all really do appreciate the hoop because we played in an era where it was appreciated. And I think Kobe's mentality will live on forever because of that. Just like Michael Jordan, his legacy lives on because he did Michael Jordan's playground, Come Fly With Me, Gatorade, Wheaties. These are all the things that iconically keep Michael Jordan's playground, Come Fly With Me, Gatorade, Wheaties. These are all the things that iconically keep Michael Jordan alive along with his shoes. So Kobe took those same steps, the shoes, the commercials.

Now he did the inspirational videos. He left all the words of encouragement, and that's what I appreciated about him the most. Kenny? No, I just think it's a mindset. It's the mindset. It was in his heart. He believed it and he lived it, you know what I'm saying, in every aspect.

If you want something in life, you attack it. That's what he did, you know what I'm saying, with full force. Him being a father, him being a husband, him changing the narrative about himself, what people might have thought of him. You know, it's just a mindset, man. And one of the greatest competitors in this game, that this world has ever seen.

You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, it's... It's a mindset, man. and that's what the mama mentality means And you touch on a little bit, but we talked about this and It's hard to be in that position as a player where you have to have those tough Conversations with guys you actually have to be the leader leading by example But also getting the people shit if these dudes don't fall in line get them out of here So everybody seems like nowadays we're leaning more towards you

guys to play a lot with each other in the offseason summer times they want to more be buddies like but you can't really have that on the team if you want to get to that championship level because if guys aren't producing at the level they need to be at then there's some tough conversation that need to be heard listen we we all we all seen an example of it, but I don't know if we all really paid attention to what we was witnessing. You know, it was Michael Jordan, right, in the last dance when he was talking about winning and he had to stop and teared up because he's reflecting back on what he was, right? And that mentality, he was a tyrant, right? He was just a tyrant to his teammates,

to opponents, to the game itself. And just him reflecting back on who he was and how he approached it. And he said, if you don't want to win that way, you don't have to. But that's what the mentality is. It's dog-eat-dog. Like, I don't have sympathy for excuses.

There's no room for excuses. You do it when you don't want to. If we had to all be great when we felt great, right? You know, we're 25% of a person, right? Greatness don't come when you're tired. I mean, don't come when you're fully ready to do it. Greatness comes when you can't do it anymore. Yeah.

And you have to will yourself to do it, like the flu game. And that's where, you know, Kobe hurts his right shoulder. He's playing on the left shoulder. Like, that's where your greatness is really. Yeah, the broken thumb. All that. That's where it comes from. That's what made Allen Iverson Iverson. Right?

He's sitting there limbed up, you know, sitting there still going. There's one clip. There's one situation. All of that is accurate. There's one situation that defines this man, who he what he stood for what he like in his head his heart is in his soul when he's the toy ruptures Achilles hmm everybody else that's ever similar injury mm-hmm has gotten carried off the floor. This man took, this man walked to the bench, back on the floor to shoot his free throw,

and back to, this man, three trips, and come on, man. Come on, man. Made the free throws on top of that. Let's not negate that. Like, most guys just went up there like, man, I can't even concentrate on top of that let's not negate that Like most guys just went up there like man. I can't even concentrate on this Like Like that just defines who we That that's facts all the championships all it is great

But that moment like that stands out to me, you know, like you didn't seen other people the same injury. Well, just you did it. Mm-hmm My told you those who free throws what you Just be honest I'm saying like somebody told you be go walk to the free throw line you would have been like You know what this right, you know, This man's like, fuck, don't touch me. Some men don't touch... They trying to hit me like, don't fucking touch me. I got this. No one likes greatness.

They appreciate it when it's going. But nobody likes it because it's not attractive. The majority of this world is lambs just ready to be eaten. Absolutely. Yeah, for sure. Right? So when a real wolf or lion come in, they do not like what it looks like. Absolutely.

They don't like what it looks like, but they want to be a part of it. They want to be a part, but they don't want to be a part. You know what I'm saying? They want to be a part. There's a carcass there. They don't eat. It's like, yeah, yeah, go, go, go. And then when you get there, it's like, oh, shit. It it's like they scared of who you're gonna become or or something like that

Like you know I'm saying it's like it's like I'm gonna keep doing it's like why you think I'm in it I'm like, why would you bring your ass over here? It's like a pack of wolves, right? Yeah, you got the hunters, right? That carcass that everybody the the the last dog he gonna eat. eat yeah I'm glad because the other ones did the work the same time shit you say say I wanted they don't want to be part of the hunt yeah they bring it up the rear right so how do you like monitor it like you know I'm saying like how do you see it yeah yeah like how do you like you know put people I guess I mean it's kind of like put people in a place like you know like who you want to like you know it's I guess, it's kind of like put people in a place. You know who you want to really.

Tell me the truth. When it's time for business and it's time to go get it, you know who you, you know. And then you know when it's like, all right, this person ain't really, he on the edge, or it's kind of lazy, so how do you monitor it? Because everybody wants to be a part when you're hot. So how do you monitor it? You can't. You go out and you do what you know, because everybody wants to be a part when you're hot. So how do you monitor it?

You can't. You go out and you do what you do. And if I say something to you in a moment, then I'm a firm believer in this. Man, when it comes to sports, most things like when it comes to sports, put your feelings in your pocket. Right. Put your fucking feelings in your pocket. Say it again. Put your feelings in your pocket. Put your fucking feelings in your fucking pocket.

You know what I'm saying? What about in life, too, though? Same? What about in life? For the most part, but you have to be more nurturing in life because you deal with different people. You know what I'm saying? Okay. But in sport, we all, like, winning this locker room, we all here for supposedly the same goal.

The goal is winning. That's what we're supposed to be here for. Everybody don't, it ain't, but that's what it's, on surface, that's what it we supposed to be here for everybody don't it ain't but that's what it's on Surface yeah, that's what it's supposed to be. It's about winning If you win you get paid you get paid all those things equate in my opinion to win it But along this path to winning What Kobe did was? Prime what I'm saying

Why the fuck I I passing you the ball if you ain't working? And he going to tell you that. And if it hurts your feelings, I don't care. Because I didn't put the work in. You know what I'm saying? So I'm able to say that to you

in the moment. Or in my situation, if we ain't playing fucking defense and I come in, you fucking suck, you ain't did it. I can say that. Because I know what I'm doing each fucking possession down

It's bitch. I can call you out you tell you so it's that I'm saying put your feelings about cuz I'm I'm able to Stand on what what I'm saying, and if it hurts your feelings in the moment. Oh Well, I'm saying oh In my situation, I hope it does hurt your feelings. Yeah. I really do. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because he gets to see who you are. Yeah.

It's accountability, bro. It's accountability. Heavy is the head that wear the crown, bro. Leadership is long. How do y'all deal with carrying, like, dead weight? Cut it. Like, dead weight. But that's family.

Or, like, that's your friend. Or, like, you know what I'm saying? Or whatever. But it's dead. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, like all right i feel like since i've been on this podcast right i've been around everybody here does something right and i'll be around steph and i see everybody does something so that's what i want around me i want everybody to that does something like you shouldn't be around me if you don't have anything to offer yeah

add to me like you know is that selfish of me to feel like? No. No. It's selfish for the person that has nothing to offer that wants to just leech. Yep. You have to turn it on the other side, too. What is the value? Your value is what? Asking for money? Begging? Yeah.

Sitting around? No. What is your value? If you bring no value, if you ain't motherfucking picking out shirts, if you ain't going to the shirt place, if you are not helping, eventually you get cut anyway. Life cuts you. Life cuts you. You know, that's just anything in life. world look at us like with a side face because they haven't realized that we are the wolves

in society, right? Sports is wolves. To be in the professional, you have to be some type of wolf, right? You're not lamb. Lamb is what we cut through to get there, right? By the time we get there. We're all wolves I mean some degree of some degree. We mean we might be you know, we might have a little bit but for the most part We're all

Once we got there were some type of wolf and from there we get weeded out. Yeah by Everyone else the tougher wolves of a locker room lets us know who's who any goddamn way. Right, right, right. Right? You know, from the little things we do. You know what I mean? We tell a nigga, shut up. And then his reaction lets us know

if he's... Mm-hmm. If that's him anyway. Don't fuck with him. Right? You know? Or if we're going in and the player's going at his head

and we sitting there like, what you gonna do? What you gonna do? Hey, motherfucker keep coming at you. He's calling you sweet. What you gonna do? Right, right, right. No, we're not doubling him. No, coach, no double. What you gonna do? Hey mother keep coming at you. He's calling you sweet. What you gonna do? I know we're not no we're not doubling him. No coach. No double what you gonna do man up for yourself Cuz it ain't about if you get scored 50 on are you actually taking this fucking child taking that challenge for the team?

That's why when Dylan Brooks That that's why you know when we looked at Dylan Brooks, you called out him. Yup. Right? We have no... You stopping him, we don't care if you're going to stop him or not. Are you taking the challenge? In the media, because that's where you said it at, in the media and in the game, you're supposed to stand tall.

That lets your teammates know of you, him. We can rely on you. Let me give you an example, though. We played in the big three together, won the championship. And I was fucking up on some defensive positions. One in particular, I just didn't agree. Because I don't like giving up points. Like, don't fucking foul, Sean.

Stop. Fuck. Don't give up. Literally, don't foul. Let them't give up literally don't foul let him score and i fouled anyway and this let me have it in the locker room now at any time when you a player that feel like you know it all you could say something back one he's the leader two he's a defensive monster and I look up to him. But three, I know what team is and I know what accountability is.

And I know when I fuck up, somebody's supposed to get on me. Like literally supposed to like, yo, you fucked up the coverage, bro. And it's not okay. He let me fucking have it. Right? So I had to sit there and take that shit and it it it helped me respect him more because it was like we just came off a championship there's nothing that you could say to me to make it okay with what you was doing but as a leader me as a leader and him as a leader there's a respect level that does not go beyond personal

I don't have a judgment of him saying what he had to say at whatever severity. Because he said some shit that any other nigga might have took personal. For me, I'm like, yo, you right. You absolutely fucking right. I fucked up and that's how I was going to be. We're going to leave it in this locker room. I'm not going to take it outside of here. I'm not going to be none of that.

And a lot of guys don't understand that when you got a passionate leader, that someone has done it and you respect them, that you show that respect because you got to hold yourself accountable. And that's what we don't have in this game is guys holding themselves accountable to real, true leadership when it's time for you to fucking pay attention and I'm on you. I'm on you. I'm not on you just because it's my ego and I'm trying to tell you some shit just so I can take the power.

It's, yo, we want to win. Period. If you don't tell your shit, I mean, he don't give a fuck. That's really, you know, like, I think sometimes, like, even when we talk about Draymond, right, and he's yelling. We can, from the outside, if we never played played we're gonna say oh look look at him doing what he's doing again yeah if he's not doing that that means he gave up on you yep like if you sitting there fucking around missing assignments and i'm not i'm not saying shit to you that mean i gave up on you i don't give a fuck about it just get his ass out i mean if i'm like yo you

gonna get back you gonna snap back if i don't say shit Fuck them just like your teacher Or just a coach if I stop yelling at you that means I gave up on you that just that that's everything in life Mm-hmm You know when your girl stop arguing with you. Oh shit. She but the blue Call my lawyer hot assets, but it's very is and that's the situation where It's rare that you have the guy who's the best player lead score best player and also is that for that yeah that is yeah that's. You know I'm saying like Miller and I have to say shit in them. Mm-hmm

but you know Put the 27 28 night, I got you. Mm-hmm. You say some do summer and I'm here I'm I'm the speak-up guy. I got you. I'm saying I remember that like I'm And people did just cuz somebody is that, like, great guy, but he's just, he wasn't the vocal of it, so I took that on. That's who I am. You know what I'm saying? And rare that you have that, and you've seen it in very few guys, you know what I'm saying? Very few.

Very few guys. And that's. Like, was it Dwayne Wade? Dwayne Wade. Haslam. Haslam. You know what I'm saying? He, yeah, he wasn't. Dwayne didn't have to was it Dwayne Wade? Haslam. Haslam. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he wasn't...

Dwayne didn't have to say shit. He just looked at Haslam. Yeah, UD got that. Like, oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like, him and UD, it was a certain standard. Everything knew, like, if...

Once UD say something, oh, shit. Mm-hmm. You know what I'm saying? And it's, like I said, it's rare that you have a guy that's the best player that's the alpha and he was that and yeah, that's what stands out

in all these situations. You know what I'm saying? What you stand on, how you're able to relate and your work ethic and what people perceive you as. You know what I'm saying? Like a lot of people

used to ask, should we talk about it now? And, like, I would have loved to have been on the team with Kobe. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't a gym rat by any stretch of imagination, but I showed up. I did my motherfucking job.

You know what I'm saying? And people used to complain that he was on them and you're too hard on you. Like, how? Man trying to win. Like, how am I too hard? When I'm trying, we're trying to accomplish something here. Like, how am I too hard on you?

Like, why am I saying what, how am, how what I'm saying is affecting you in a way? You know what I'm saying? Personally. Like, that shit baffles me. It does, but it's just like anything, right? We watched Steph work out, right? It wasn't even a workout.

It was like his pre-routine, 22 minutes, took about 270 shots, that's counting, in 20 minutes, 22 minutes. We think we know what work is. We think we have an answer until we see something better, right? So when Kobe's talking to these younger guys, and he's like, I need more. And dude's like, yeah, but I took 300 shots. What the fuck is 300 shots? What is that? You ran two miles. What is two miles? You know what I mean? Because he's at a whole nother level, and he probably started off at a higher level than what he's looking at. So his fuse is a little short because he understands to get here, I know what it takes. And I'm telling you, you ain't doing shit.

Like, I thought I was a workaholic, right? Until I, you know, I'm in the gym and Chris Mullins there. And he's like It's cute But here, let's do it like this and 45 minutes with him was a whole I'm sitting in What's going on here? It was like This is this is what working out is and I had to rewire everything I had to throw everything I knew away And do this I like I knew away. And do this.

I like this. This got me tired. I'm over here running, thinking I'm doing some shit in 45 minutes with you. A new challenge. It's a new challenge. And I think sometimes when people get on us, we do get in our feelings. You know, I think in sports, we're the prima donnas of sports. Absolutely.

The basketball players is the prima donnas because from the ages of 10 all the way until we get to the NBA, there's really no bad news on us. There's really no, no one's talking bad about it. Ain't nobody writing bad stories. College, no, no one's writing bad stories in college on us right we're all cheered if we're getting booed is because we're great right yeah we're going to a different arena you're booing us and you know you're overrated you know I got 38 you know NBA is the first time we get our feelings hurt mm-hmm right and that hurts our benefit you know think about you 20 years old the first time you see something bad

you know who are you what is this why are you writing like this Gilbert's a ball hog he's selfish he don't want to play like this I know I had zero assists but shit he didn't have to put it in the paper like this my daddy got to read this shit

and that's what ends up happening we get in our feelings because this is the first time we've been really picked at. Yeah. And it's a different feeling for the first time. So, you know, when people say, you know, NBA players are prima donna, you're right. You're right, dude. It ain't going to stop us from fucking whining, God damn it, I can tell you that. Yeah, absolutely.

We just started, motherfucker. We just started, you know. Facts. Well, that's real, gentlemen. I think that's a good place to stop that convo. Happy birthday, Kobe. Happy birthday. We appreciate you. Let's get into Mostly Fans, last segment of the show. Hoping some good questions, man.

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Why? Because there's no credit. We have block, motherfuckers, every day, all day. Oh, no, of course. 24-7. Of course, but... For real? On a YouTube platform, just create a new page and they'll come back. Come on my page with some bullshit. Boy, you'll never be seen again.

Nah, he's got to do what I do. Pull up on him? Nah, I just wait like an hour. Then I just thumb up like, thumb up like, thumb up hard. Thumb up hard. Thumb up hard. I don't give a fuck what you say. Thumb up hard.

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kids this like Heart like it's And now I can shit I'm pinning shit I'll get fucked by that about it. I'm just now Embrace it. I changed my love I block you. I block a like in a Block block game. I block a like and a thumb up. Shit. My block game is like offensive lineman. Boy, I'm on the block in the hell. You got to embrace it.

You got to embrace it. You got to embrace it, dog. You got to see the pain in people's heart and see that they're projecting, right? If you go through and look at the chat, there's a lot of projection going on. It is. It is. Don't project that shit on my show. Yeah, I know.

We're all sensitive one way or another but then it's like wait You're watching this show commenting. So my family's a little bit more sensitive I'm trying to get 10,000 thumbs. I gotta help it one two three four five. Here we go. Yeah. Yeah Should I get in trouble for spamming? But the best thing with the hater though is you can respond back to him and they're obviously gonna come back more than people who Rock so yeah, they all go every every move. Yeah So first thing that first question comes from D Mac mixes. That's an underdog name or her y'all start Y'all have a starting four on the couch who would be your fifth player to put on the team?

Tina Thompson Wait, what we're doing what we're doing with the starting five we playing basketball. I think to have a game on the team? Tina Thompson. Wait, what are we doing? What are we doing with the starting five? Are we playing basketball? I think to have a game. We need a center. Shaq.

No, I think they're talking about on the couch. Shaq. They're talking about on the couch. They're talking about just on the couch. No, you're four right now.

Yeah, just four, not playing the games. One, two, three, four. Who's the fifth? I think for a game. For a game. No, you ought to go play in the Drew.

Hey, you're hilarious. You know that? oh my oh we talked about that. Oh, oh Playing the game there. Oh To play in a game We need a center see me alone I'm letting man play the center man. Uh, no go small ball Dirt Joker Joker Joker Joker Joker cool Joker crack. We come up players right now

Whoever yeah, we got no deep. We got them two motherfuckers back there LeBron man, I go here We got to play no deep we got them to my books back there Next question comes from underdog user big face mix which player under 25 do you see winning the MVP next? under 25 Luca Mocha Luca names Jah You think they'll let y'all win the MVP you know way to come back to come back. No way to come back But it'd be like that dead row situation Right where the team is actually the team is actually good So they can fuck around they can fuck around, be number one in the West somehow,

just because, and he's the best player on it. You know, like when Derrick Rose, Derrick Rose only averaged 24 that year, he won MVP. But he was innocent. No, I mean, I'm not, I'm not talking about this.

I'm just talking about this. I'm not talking about this. Because how old is Ja? How old is Ja? 21, 22? Ja's not 21. 22? Ja's 24. Oh, 24. Yeah, I'm about to say Because how old is Ja? How old is Ja? 21, 22? Ja's not 21. 22? Ja's 24.

Oh, he's 24. Yeah, I'm about to say. How old is Luka? I'm going to say Anthony Edwards. I was going to say Anthony Edwards, too. 24. So, yeah, it would have to be. No, no, no, no, no.

Kenyon, yeah, Anthony Edwards. Anthony Edwards. Because his team is, yeah, his team is good enough. I'm going to say Anthony Edwards. If Luka can get it next year, that would be the first, right? I think Luka is in line. I think Luka can get it this year. That's what I'm saying. This coming up year. They got to good. I think we get it this year That's what I'm saying. It's just coming up. Just coming up. You gotta make the I mean, but that's what I said Are is the team good enough for them to be one two three? I think just your play

I Go by it shouldn't matter about the team the best player in MB I mean the most job yeah, but it was you know, what was the sixes once it was number two who sixes when the joy How can you be the most valuable to your team and I got a losing record? How can you be the most valuable player y'all fucking losing? Joker whenever the six Got these Mickey D players on my team had a winning record. Hmm. They had a winning record who? He talked about it was a six. See I said I had a winning record. That's all that matter. When Joker won it? I mean when

Embiid. No, Joker. Yeah, they had a winning record. Man, they tricked it off the last two years. Yeah, but. I think Anthony Edwards. That's a good one. Absolutely, I'm not fucking the pack rewarding you because y'all, you putting up numbers in y'all suck. Mm-hmm Well, that's why I don't like their playing shit like more intense eat. Mmm Yeah, I don't fucking like if 89 if y'all got a y'all tie if 89 are tied Well, y'all within a game maybe Yeah, y'all play this you get in But why is you why you were in the 10th seed?

But fuck 10 I got that team that was trash all year long. All year long. Get a chance to. You got a chance to put the 8th seed out. Come on, man. Steal it. That's fucking 10th. They're trying to make the last part of the NBA.

Like I said, I always said it. Listen, do not reward last. You start rewarding last place, I guarantee you, nobody want to be in that motherfucker, for real. Last place gets the sixth pick. Not a chance to get the one, two. Oh, yeah, I want to be last. Absolutely. We Last place gets the six pick not a chance to get the one to all y'all won't be last Yes, absolutely. We go win out of last place. I can tell you that yeah, they cap what you get. Yeah, absolutely So next question from underdog user Stevie B. Joen says this kg and Duncan switch teams who's winning the most rings

KG and Duncan switch teams KG got Duncan? Switch teams. Uh-oh. KG got drafted to the Spurs and Duncan. Minnesota. Minnesota.

Minnesota. I mean, I guess who would have won the most championships? That's a good question. That's a good question. That's a good question. Not really.

That was the best question. Do you think the talent changes? No, it's KG. It's KG. It's KG. What do you think about that? Because you got both of them. Y'all got Tim Duncan fucked up. No, y'all got...

No, no, no. Y'all not realizing the team Tim got... You know, you got... It's David Robinson. You got... So Tim Duncan's only good because of the... John Elliott. Mario Elliott. Still a Hall of Famer. You know you guys you David Robbins David Robinson you got so Tim Yo be still all the famer no no I'm saying so he's only good because of the system just say that no No, no, right right so he's only good because no he's

Right the system is when you get. The system is a coach. When did he get drafted? The system is a coach. 95 and 97. No, Tim Duncan, 90. 95 and 97. I'm just asking the question. Is it because of the system? Is that why he's there? 95 and 97, right?

No, but what I'm saying is he has a, when you're saying winning a championship, you put KG there. That's what I'm saying. Think about the team he's coming in on. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's coming in on a Number-one Duncan knock us. No, he wouldn't play Me before he wouldn't have played like Tim Duncan cuz Tim Duncan was national player of the year

He was a four-year college player. It was a couple years, you know He would have been at that spot by 97 hypothetically we're doing KG to you know what I'm just asking. But KG would have been at that spot by 97, hypothetically. Yeah, it took KG two years. But what I'm saying is if you switch him, you got one who's coming on a team that's already dominant. And he's just a fill-in piece. Right? You talking about Tim? Tim.

Versus KG coming onto a bad team. And he has to work himself up and build that team. You still put him next to David Robinson Yeah, yeah, you're still putting them John Elliott David. Who fought is that nobody's nobody I'm making excuses like well if you were here, it's like no, I mean what you want me to do I'm like like what do you want me to do as a player? But what do you want me to? Well, don't go here. Don't grab me here. Grabraft me to the sorry-ass team so I can prove it. No, no, no, no, no.

I mean, shit. Think about it. 99% of number one picks are going to bottom feeding teams where you have to build that legacy yourself. Then there's these greats that they're considered top 10, top 20 players of this game that when you look at where they got drafted to a team that came out the gates winning 60 games. So their legacy. Can I see that proof?

Can I see that proof with Tim Duncan? Can I see that proof with Tim Duncan teams before he got there? I want to see their team before they got there. I want to see the Spurs teams before Tim Duncan got there. The year before they got them, they were nasty. No, the year before that. The three or four years before that, though, they were like 50 wins. Three or four.

50 wins. 50 wins every year. They just had that one bad year. And they set everybody to get the number one pick. They set everybody. They set David Robertson and all that bullshit. So do we think Tim Duncan will win championships with the Minnesota Timberwolves? No, no, that's what I'm saying. So they basically said he's a better player than Tim because that's like she said Tim Douglas

It's not good. I think it's I mean They're saying cage is a better player than Tim Think about what was all right? Well, who was on the temple was there the year before? I mean before Tim Dunn got there 50 games 50 games 50 games and then Tim Duncan's in a draft and they tank it Like they did this year to get win B and then you add Tim Duncan to a 50 team The national player of the year to a team that's winning 50 games in the NBA You see how fucking they want on a lot. I hear you know, they went on a locker here

So that was not a janky what I'm saying is your lock out your janky guess your your your you're adding a national That was very much the year. That was 99. I was the first it was a national player to you this year. I Don't even know But look It was nasty bro. I get where your player to your national player of the year. Like, wherever he went, they had a chance to win. He don't know what he's looking at. Eddie, chief from Purdue, big boy. He went what, number five?

Yeah, number five. Yo, I beat you to the punch. No, you didn't. So, I'm like, do your housework. If they switch roles, they both still be Hall of Famers. Like, they are. It doesn't take away from their skill set with the work they put in. So the question is who wins more championships?

So 94-95. Hold on. If he gets traded to the same team. They won 62-20. 94-95. 59-23. Then the next year 20-62 to get Tim Duncan. then the next year 20 and 62

to get Tim Duncan and then 56 wins then 37 and 13 then 53 then 58 then 58 then 60 at that point once you added the national player to the year to a team that won 62

fucking games so I mean any player can say that then Once you added the national player to the year to a team that won 62 fucking games. So, I mean, any player could say that then. No. So, if you get KG, you're saying do those numbers change? No, you're the number one. So, do the Spurs win it in 99? Do the Spurs win it in 99 if they draft KD? I mean, yeah, KG.

Yes. So, straight barbershop shit. What I'm saying is you're adding the last... Okay, when LeBron came in the league, right? KG's not the number one pick, and he's out of high school. LeBron came in in 20... Okay, LeBron came in... For four years in the Spurs franchise.

How about this? LeBron came in in 2023, right? Yeah. Or 2003. 2003. So it's about 2002, 2003. Spurs was a 50-plus game team. What if in 2001, 2002, they tanked it?

They won. They ended up winning 58 games that year. What if they tanked it? And what, you think they get LeBron? And they get LeBron to that team. You see what the fuck happens now now you got LeBron with Tim Duncan Ginobili and Parker There's a fucking whole day and there's a legacy now his legacy is whole different because now he's winning Six seven championship, but he's still LeBron James right added to a team

But what I'm saying, LeBron James added to winning off the rip. But I also think that the Cavs still get the number one pick, but then you got Melo, he goes to like Detroit or something like that.

But I'm just saying, if the Spurs get the number one pick when LeBron's coming with this team just because they had a bad year. But I'm saying...

We're not tanking, we're not... It sucks because that's what happened to majority of these top 10 players that were considered greats. Majority of them, someone tanked. Someone was good, tanked that one year for them. And then they added them, and then boom, this is all we need. We got to talk about the hypothetical of KG going to the Spurs in a system that's already established, right? David Robinson retires. You leave it to KG with the Spurs in a system that's already established right they David Robinson retires

You leave it to KG with the Spurs, right? Tim Duncan being a four-year player number one pick to your national player of the year on that team was left the reins because he was proven KG was drafted five out of high school wasn't proven yet it took him time with a bad team to establish to be the big ticket. If Tim Duncan goes to Minnesota, off the bat, number one pick, it's not taking him two, three years to establish himself. He's automatic.

Who was that? Tom Gugliotta that was J.R. Ryder. Who was the point guard? Hudson. Hudson. Terrell was the point guard? Hudson. Brandon. Brandon. Terrell was... John Brandon.

Terrell Brandon. I mean, it's like they was solid, but Ticket wasn't the guy to go to for the championship type of feel. So I'm looking like I can't say that the Timberwolves wouldn't have won because Tim Duncan was a different type of player. He was a generational pick that transformed a whole organization. He didn't transform nothing. That's what I'm saying. They didn't win a championship before he got there. They were the number one team.

But they didn't win. Think about what I'm saying. They're the number one team. I get it, but they still didn't win. Number one, number one. Lost, lost. Tank to get it, but they still didn't win. Number one, number one. Lost, lost. Tank to get him. Then they won.

Yeah. Because of him. Because of him. Because of him, Gil. They won because of him. I don't give a fuck who the number one pick is at that time. You have to. You give me the number one.

You're still going to be number one. But you're going to be number one still. Who's the number one team this year? Denver? Denver? Right? Denver takes it next year to get the number one pick. Does it make that number one pick a great?

Because he's coming on a team that's a championship team? Yeah, but we're not talking about a championship team. We're talking about a team that was good enough to be considered number one. They still wasn't the champions. They needed another piece. Yes, they needed another, but you're adding considered number one. They still wasn't the champions. They wasn't the champions. They needed another piece. Yes, they needed another, but you're adding a number one player in the country.

So KG, if you put KG there, he's not the number one player. Well, you was the number one pick. What if you got drafted to the Lakers? No, Lord. What if you got drafted to the Spurs? This is what I'm saying, though. This is what we're talking about.

We're not talking about... KD's not the number one pick, though. This is what I'm saying. I don't need him to be the great. I already have a team. I already have a team that's in place. We just need one more pick. We don't give a fuck how good you are.

I don't need you ready. I don't need you ready. They would have won before he got there then. They wouldn't have tanked it. What do you mean? They did tank. They wouldn't have if they don't need you. They would have won before he got there then they wouldn't have tanked it What do you mean they did take they wouldn't have if they didn't need another piece I take because I have the net to one if you're number one number one, then you tank I did why did you think about it? I wall I'm missing is who a foreman. This is the number one player in the country What position does he play he plays the floor? Hey, hey, hey, sit down, sit down, sit down, sit down.

The rest of y'all go play. So if we switch roles, KG's not the number one player. And he's coming out of high school. He has a better chance of winning more because he's on the number one team. You're not taking account that it's the number one team. We're adding this four-man. We're having a seven-footer. Even if he just plays defense, it heightens our chances

versus Tim Duncan going to a bottom-feeding team. Now he has to work this system. Because I believe that he's good enough to do that. He was good enough to do that. We're going to win a championship over who? The Lakers? Spurs? Spurs with David Robinson and KG?

Tim Duncan was good, man. Tim Duncan was good, bro. He was good because he has a great team around him. Okay. That's what I wanted you to say. He has a great team around him. Just like Magic. If Magic went to, who was number one? Who was the last pick? So Tim Duncan doesn't win without the good guys around him. At the beginning? I'm asking. His first year. Does he win his first year if he goes to? So Tim Duncan doesn't win without the good guys around at the beginning It's first year does it that first year if he goes in the first year I'm just saying like if he if Tim Duncan goes to the Timberwolves, he doesn't win a championship. No, all right

His first year first. Oh, not just it's just period. Oh, no, I mean you don't know after that I mean, you don't you don't know now you're facing Shaq and the question. Oh, but how who wins now? You're facing Shaq and Kobe with a Timberwolves team That's Sam and look the trails pretty well, you know, I know you'll go there, you know, you got my bear Yeah, you got them. I mean coming. How do we know the no billion go there? I don't know they get big there because it was already picked. No, they wasn't 1999 They get big there because it was already picked. No, they wasn't 1999 Ginobili was a second-round pick dude. That's how good they were good. Are you not understanding?

You know wasn't a first round. You just said Parker was the last pick in the first round Just say how good think about you just said the trail and Sam may not be there But blah blah blah blah, so I'm saying if that's the case domestic. Listen to what you're saying The greats that came after Maria Elinem went, right? They were so good, they didn't have... What greats? Tony Parker was the last pick, right? He's a Hall of Famer.

He was the last pick in the first round. Not a top five pick, not a top ten pick. They were so good, that's the pick they got. That pick. Janobi was a second round pick. That's how good they were. A second round pick. The team was good. They're picking second round. They don't have top five picks. That's how good they are. That's what you're not, they're good. They're just adding, and those guys became great because of the system

and the greatness that was around them. They're not getting number one, number two picks and building what Tim Duncan would have been doing at that point. Because they would have been sorry as fuck. Because it's Timberwolves. Sorry as shit. That was a great hypothetical conversation.

That was crazy. That went deep on some hypothetical shit. That was crazy. Hey, yo, who do y'all think the most influential out of California? Hmm? Hoopers? Frank Nitti? For real?

You think so? That's what's up. That's what I heard. That's what I heard. I heard Frank Nitti. Imagine not from LA. I heard Frank Nitti. I heard Frank.

You know who Frank Nitti is? No, I know who Frank Nitti is. Do you know who Frank Nitti is? No, I know who Frank Nitti is. I am. Most influential out of LA? Yeah, but it's just the fact that people be having like like comments on like shit when they not from LA. It's crazy I'm just saying you got to know the culture. It's alright though. The culture says Frank Nitti. Just know I got the last week of this whole podcast. So, you know how it's gonna get. That's how it's gonna get.

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