Gil's Arena - Gilbert Arenas Reveals The NBA's Pick For Their Next Face

Episode Date: June 4, 2025

Gil’s Arena Predicts the NBA’s NEXT All-Time Greats as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to recent comments from the Minnesota Timberwolves stating that they believe their franchise player Anthony Edwards will be an all time great in the NBA and debate which current superstars like Luka Doncic, Shai Gilgeous Alexander and Tyrese Haliburton will join him as the next class of NBA legends. Then, they react to Noah Lyles talking crazy once again as the Olympic Champion continued to voice his frustration about not getting a signature shoe, this time throwing Anthony Edwards under the bus with another controversial take. The Gil's Arena Crew debates if it was necessary for Lyles to put the Minnesota Timberwolves superstar in the middle of his battle with Adidas and preview the important offseason for Ant-Man as he looks to take another leap next season. Next, they react to the end of NBA on TNT as Inside the NBA signed off for the final time this season before their move to ESPN, and Gil's Arena breaks down how much the show meant to NBA Culture. They then continue to dissect Luka Doncic's appearance on the Mind The Game podcast with LeBron James where the legendary trio spoke on the impact of trainers in the NBA and discuss how hoop is being taught differently to this generation. Finally, they begin a brief preview of the upcoming NBA Finals fueled by Paul George as Gil's Arena explores how the infamous Paul George trade to the Los Angeles Clippers sparked this NBA Finals matchup and give Sam Presti his flowers for using that trade to build a modern day dynasty. They discuss how the Pacers can win the series as sizable Underdogs and break down what a championship would mean for the legacy of this Thunder squad. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, & Kenyon Martin Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/jkz7rlm8 #CashAppPod *Referral Reward Disclaimer: As a Cash App partner, we may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE:    / @gilsarena   Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord  0:00:00 - 2 Min Countdown 0:01:53 - Show Start 0:02:49 - Kenyon Gives The Latest On The Diddy Trial 0:09:58 - The End of Inside The NBA 0:27:46 - Noah Lyles Disses Anthony Edwards 0:45:51 - Can Anthony Edwards Be An All Time Great? 1:06:19 - LeBron's Take On Trainers 1:23:18 - LeBron Compliments Gil's Game 1:33:30 - Paul George's Impact On The NBA Finals 1:37:16 - Gil's Arena Gives Sam Presti His Flowers 1:41:54 - Hali & The Pacers' Underdog Mentality 1:51:42 - Is OKC An All Time Great Team? 2:00:14 - The NBA Has Picked Shai As Their Face 2:14:15 - Parity In The NBA 2:30:16 - MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Instacart, groceries that over deliver. Welcome back to Gilda Rita presented by Underdog. What? What? Yeah, I didn't really pay attention to it. It's these last like few witnesses ago witnesses to go like, bruh. Take that, take that. Hey.

Like, three in a row was like, ooh. Next one was like, ah! Next one was like, everybody like, damn. I get that, but the charges that is. You're talking about the dead even now, right? Charges that he's being charged for, are they proving those charges? Like, follow some lawyers on like,

some really good lawyers, that's fucked. They go going by, because it's the law, right? So they're going by the law, what they have to prove in the law. Fuck what we think, right? The judge is gonna read, this is the law and the charge, that they cover this.

You know what I'm saying? So that's why they setting it up in the way they are. Like they not, one thing about these people, man, and it's crazy, like, so the state shit, right? State, they arrest you, then gather evidence. Other folks, years and years and years of, so they not swinging without a great chance of, that's why they're shit 90 something percent, bruh.

Like that can victory 90 something percent for a reason. Yeah, cause you take plea deal. Cause they got evidence against you, right? Because they put that shit on the table, you'd be like, I'm good. I'ma fight it. Like that's what happened, they offered him a deal. So what stops this from being just any athlete,

any guy would be? How does it change? That's a lot too. I fly you out and. But it's more than that. That's what I'm saying. You gotta go listen to like what these people are testifying to, right?

What the questions that's being asked. So at the time somebody was like, well, why didn't you say this? They're like, well, they never asked me that. Then now when they come down and ask these questions now, they ask them certain questions, certain specific questions and they get answers to them. And this is the things that they're going on to stand and testify.

There's a certain line of questioning that they are, I'm saying, to prove this point, right? Just take your situation, right? They could have went around and locked him back, he's like, what happened? He got this side, he got this story, he got this story, he got this story, he got this, right? But it's gonna be consistent of this,

and they gonna lay it out. Well, we know that you brought, so the evidence that says that Gilbert actions was this. This is what we're offering you for your actions. You can be like, look at the evidence that was against you and be like, yeah, I did this and accept what they offer. Yeah. And look at this shit and be like, I get it, but I'ma fight it. So it's- Like how long does an employee have to be an employee before he's considered an employee? If I hire you for an hour,

are you technically an employee for you to be part of my empire? Those are the things I want to- That's why like all the people that worked for him, that's why nobody else has been so far, because they have immunity and shit. They going that motherfucker, they testifying to what they role was in these things,

the things that they did, saw, ignored, quit the job because of all of these things, right? But there's text messages that's trying to disprove a lot of this things, right? So, and then, but there's text message that's trying to disprove a lot of this shit, a lot of stuff going back and forth back and forth. But that's why, that's why it's a trial. I'm saying like, so they, I don't know what, who's proven what up to this point,

but the jury is blessed to be employed and blessed to have our freedom. Listen, Jack. This is Gil Zarito presented by Underdog, whoop, whoop. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. Right. Right. Representing the corner boards, we got NBA champion

of the world, Swaggy P. Nick Young back in the arena. And the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick, Kenyon Martin, back here with us. And for all the fans, we still got two viewing options for you our traditional version a mobile vertical version pick whichever one you want to watch just make sure you support the show here's what's cracking in the arena today. The Thunder and the Miss of one of the most dominant seasons in NBA history does a chip put them in the conversation amongst the greatest teams of all times?

We got a lot of numbers to support that, but we will discuss that here on this couch. Pacers are used to being the underdog this postseason and find themselves in the same situation in the finals. What can Indiana do to prove all the doubters wrong? You see them giving the thumbs down to all the haters. We'll see what happens. Finals start tomorrow. And the Wolves think Ant-Man can be one of the greatest players of all times But are they spitting or tripping but before we get into all that as always the show is brought to you by underdog Go ahead download that use promo code Gil get up to a thousand dollars of bonus cash plus a special pick them as I said The NBA finals start tomorrow and Kenyon has some picks up in his partner pack on the underdog app for game one of these NBA

Finals you got SGA lower 33.5 points. No, that last one though, they must have changed that one. You got Siakam lower 32.5 points rebounds in the CIS. You got Chet Holm get lower 27.5 points rebounds in the CIS. You got Hardenstein, you got him higher or lower. Yeah, that was supposed to have been a higher on the rebounds. Yeah, Hardenstein higher on 6.5 rebounds. That's lower here, but. Yeah, no, that wasn't good. That was supposed to be a higher on the rebound. Yeah hard to say higher on 6.5 rebounds. That's lower here but yeah no that wasn't good. That was supposed to be higher on that one. Can you say go higher on Harkinstein?

Six and a half rebounds? Yeah hold on what that say? That does say higher six and a half rebounds. Yeah what's going on here? Ladies and gentlemen change the hard design pick to higher. It's up on the partner pack. And you got the script. Hold on, where the Halliburton pick at? Where the 8.5 assists at? You had Hallie higher 8.5 assists in this game as well. The fuck is going on? Hold on, what the fuck is going on? I didn't pick this.

So now this is not Kenyon's partner pack. No, Kenyon didn't pick this shit. Kenyon did not pick this shit. Kenyon's partner pack. This is a no Kenyon didn't pick this shit. This is Kenyon did not pick this shit. Kenyon picked. Yeah. Kenyon please get me your partner pack. Yeah. Shay 33 and a half, Lohr, Tyrese Hallenberg, 8 and a half assists higher.

Pascal C. Ockham 32 and a half points rebounds and assists. I have Lohr. Okay. They got Chet 27 and a half points rebounds and assists. I have lower. Okay. They got chit 27 and a half points rebounds in assists. I took the lower. Okay. And Isaiah Hardenstein rebounds. It was six and a half.

I took higher. Okay. I believe he can get seven rebounds in this game. So we will have that updated partner pack for you on the underdog app. Sorry to disappoint whoever put this shit together. It's all good. But that's not what Kenyon

We are a family. What is Hargis like? Yeah, I look at him like I'm Irish. I'm Irish. I say he's Irish. Yeah, you know you look at him like I'm Irish. He's amazing. He's black and he's Caucasian. A white person named Isaiah. Shout out to Super High Fire. I can't take credit for that. This morning a technician came to my house, fixed the refrigerator, dude.

Dude named Kenyon. Like crazy. White dude. Dude named Kenyon, like crazy, like white dude. White dude Kenyon? Kenyon, like crazy as shit. Are y'all automatically best friends now? Yeah, I signed a jersey for him. We got two Kenyons. Like that, right? This is what you least expect today, huh?

Hell yes, Kenyon, hell yes. What was his last name? Murph. Murph, he's K Hell yes. Who was his last name? Murph. Murph. He's K-Mart. K-Mart? Middle name, Cameron is my son's first name. I'm like, so Kenyon is his dad.

We had a whole fucking conversation. His dad's middle name is Kenyon. He just gave him the first name and I'm like, yo, this shit's crazy. K-Mart. K-Mart, K-Mart. I like it. Head over to Underdog App use promo code get up to $1,000 bonus cash plus special pick.

Hopefully they fix that. They will fix it. It'll be updated on the partner packet. If you can't watch the show live, it's on YouTube. We got audio version of it on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. So let's get into it. This past weekend,

the end of the Eastern Conference finals also meant the end of an era with TNT's 35 season run of broadcasting NBA games coming to an end After the network was outbid in the league's new TV rights deal which begins next season But their 21 time Emmy award-winning flagship show inside the NBA will live on Thanks to a licensing deal with ESPN ABC But it's unclear how much that deal will impact the show and the quality of the show as well So Ernie Johnson signed off of inside the NBA on TNT for the final time, but not before Shaq put his new

employer on notice. We kickin' ass, we takin' names, and we takin' over. Okay? I love you guys and I appreciate you guys, but hey, alright? Let me see that number one time for the number one show ever on TV. And we come over to take over that next network too. We look forward, look the four of us, as you've already heard, the four of us are going to be together. Our production crew is going to be together. It's going to be that same bunch.

We're still going to be shooting that show in Atlanta. It's just going to air somewhere else. And so the craziness that you've seen, the nonsense and the foolishness and the top notch basketball analysis, all of that stuff's gonna be on it's gonna be on ESPN or ABC next year not on TNT. For that it's uh we're sad but I'm proud to say for the last time thanks for watching us it's the NBA on TNT. Before we go guys, let's give a mic drop. Before we go guys, let's get a mic drop. Like I mentioned, Inside the NBA 35 seasons meant a lot to all of us.

Emotional moment for Ernie and the rest of the crew. But for all you guys as former NBA players, what is Inside the NBA meant to basketball culture? Shit. Barbershop talk, right? The original barbershop talk, it gave players with personalities a lane, right? It gave them a path, right? You have ex-MBA players out there just being original,

being entertaining. So it kind of opened up this media landscape for people like us that can come in there because somebody like Charles already broke down some of those barriers that language, creativity. So it was the pioneer for we can consider ourselves the new media. And they say number one basketball show on TV, I believe, Gilz Reiner presented by Underdog. And they say number one basketball show on TV.

I believe Gills Reiner presented by Underdog. Woo woo. Number one basketball show on YouTube. So definitely following in that lane. Swaggy. For me, it was like all of it go hand in hand. I grew up always wanting to just like meet Ernie. Like I wanted to meet David Stern.

You know. You grew up wanting to meet David Stern? Him wanting to be on Inside Stuff, all that type of stuff. I thought it was like just a part of the NBA for real. So yeah, it's history. It is history. Now, 35 season run, moving over to ESPN, ABC. But can't even move to this side.

What do you feel like inside the NBA's mental basketball culture? I know, just touching on what Gil was saying. It just gave players a lane other than coaching or front office or different things like that, right? To be able to articulate the game. Some like, I'm saying Kenny had team success, not that much individual success. So it was coming from a different place.

Charles individual success, but not too much team success for our championship. So Shaq has both. So it just gave a different variety of voices and different experiences that led up to us doing what we're doing now and being able to have guys on the sideline and former players and former coaches and you just enjoy hearing like-minded people speak about something that you care so dearly about, which is this game that we all grew up in and what the NBA has meant to each one of us.

It just to hear it man, just coming from those guys, man, just like I said, gave us a lane and gave us a voice to have that we have now, man. Let's go. And shout out Craig Sager too, I feel like was extremely instrumental. Absolutely, got it. No, yeah, without gators, you know. Got to throw Craig Sager in there with his lunch, man. Absolutely. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it saying? Craig Seger, you're beautiful. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying? So it's interesting, man, just the things that they created

that's gonna live on throughout sports media. So it's dope. So all those unclear how Inside the NBA will coexist with other ESPN shows like NBA Countdown. According to Michael McCarthy of Front Office Sports, Inside the NBA will lead ESPN's pregame and halftime programming. The show will air live during ABC ESPN's biggest events including the NBA finals, conference finals and NBA playoffs.

They'll also be featured on opening week, Christmas Day, all ABC games after January 1st and the final week of the season. So according to reports, ESPN has no plans to change the DNA of the show with a hands-off approach similar to how they've handled the show with a hands-off approach, similar to how they've handled the Pat McAfee show. But Charles Barkley... So what they said was, they got daytime TV and we got everything else. Walk in your trap and take over your trap, I believe.

Tim Tebowdough them niggas, huh? Tim Tebowdough. Y'all the bitch We put you niggas in we feel like Care is back niggas Tim Teba dog Y'all got y'all got nine games this year They, they, y'all got, y'all got nine games this year. God damn. What they gonna do for the finals? Nine games.

Because you can't fight the ratings, right? They, they know what they're doing. They, they expecting all the people that watch inside on TNT to watch inside on ESPN. So that's what they're counting on for the ratings. So of course they would give them all of that, right? It just makes sense because they have the viewership over time has proven that people are watching

and people are gonna continue to watch. As long as they're on there, people gonna watch. So they trying to, it's all about numbers now. So it's all about what, so the viewership numbers, so. You said you're getting done like Tim, but I like Tim Tebedo better. Oh yeah, Tim. Tebedo.

Than Tom Tebedo. Tebedo. Tim Tebedo. They praying in ABC games. They're playing for some airtime. After January. When obviously the league, you know, starts to push more. Christmas. Yeah, Christmas, so they just got specialty games starts to push more Christmas.

Christmas. So they just got specialty game opening day Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. So obviously still some concern amongst the fans and viewers who love the inside the NBA on TNT meant uncertain how it's gonna look on ESPN. But Charles Barkley pulled up to the Dan Patrick show and offered these thoughts. Okay. But does the show look like the show? It's just, it's inside the NBA, but it's on ESPN. Is that how you're positioning this?

But a nice fucking fish. Dan, we don't even know. Okay, all right. See, that's one of the reasons I was waiting, like, yeah, I don't know what we're doing. And then TNT is trying to do something stupid behind the scenes. We taped a pilot about a month ago,

and it was the stupidest I've ever seen in my life. You know, cause we're not gonna be on ESPN as much as people think. Wait, what do you mean you taped a pilot? Well, cause ESPN, because we're only probably going to be working for ESPN like half the time to one-third of the time. So I think TNT wants to do something and we taped a pilot about a month ago and it was the stupidest s*** ever. Oh my god. Taped a pilot about a month ago, it was the stupid stupidest shit ever recorded of Charles Barkley

Like you heard him mention it only be on ESPN a half or third of time So he said there will be a version of the show which doesn't aren't ESPN was unclear where that version will air But it won't include basketball highlights may be paired up against actual NBA games, which he was also not a fan of So when you look at Barkley, how concerned are you for the future of Inside the NBA? I mean, it just looks like it's concerned. I mean, you know. It seems like he can see the future with those glasses. Man.

It started with Ernie's speech, right? If your show as it is is saved and y'all are just going to move networks, and you're working out of the same building, why is your emotions, damn, they're about to cry. So there means, there's something that's not being said, and creative control. He just said it, he said it. I don't think they know what the fuck is about to happen. I think they just got gobbled up, and they're afraid that they're about to be shelved.

Right? And handicapped. So I think if this was me, right? And we got gobbled up without, you know, they ain't should be, and we got to work for the opposing team now, right? Yeah, that's you to talk to. They're taking us on as our contract stands, which means I got to try to figure out

if there's language that I can opt out and create another show. And that's probably what he was saying. We did this pilot. So the pilot show that they're probably trying to do can't compete with the show that we already have. So it can't be the four panel type of show because that's what our language said. You know, you got to think about the language

that they probably put in. Can't compete, can't have this, can't. So they have to try to figure out how to keep the same four together in another format, which is not gonna work. It kind of feels like Ernie kind of feels like Adam Banks when he left the Hawks to go to the Mighty Ducks for all my Mighty Ducks fans out there. So hopefully it turns out to be a good thing.

Really crafts that team. Give them the triple D. Look, it's T and ESPN is going to get the views no matter if they have the show or not because this show is gone. Now, it's all about egos, right? If they are considered the number one show. If you took something on, you let it stay as it is. Right? You keep it in the same form. You can't worry about who's gonna be mad

on a staff that you already have, right? If it's successful, right? Yes, it's already, it's proven. It is it. Bring the same production crew, you bring everything in it's a wild, yeah. I wouldn't be trying to handicap it so the Eagles on my side who's been here feels better about themselves

that's That's not a good product I like I want the competition if you're the network because no matter what the entertainment is the entertainment Maybe they have a blueprint. Maybe you need to change some of your pieces out and And get you a crew that can compete with the crew. Because one thing they did do is they made, they made being an analyst like when they took out,

you can go straight out of high school, right? Before you needed a diploma. You needed a diploma to get those jobs. Now you don't. Your NBA resume, straight, so you can go straight from the NBA there, no credentials, just your name. So it opened up, now, you know,

if you wanna compete with them, you just gotta figure out which personalities match theirs. And that's all it is, but I'm not gonna take on this entity to bench it. It doesn't make sense. Yeah, I'm about to say. Look, I mean, that's, I think what the Overwoman theme is, the overarching theme is that they have a quality product,

21 Emmy Awards, they know what they're doing, so they're gonna keep their production staff, keep their crew in theory, but we know if you're coming over Yes, big you some of some of their mojo into it. I think I oh you've been doing this for 35 years You oh shit just changed from you That's it's it's tough But you but but you're not you're not doing anything different That's why this confusion is it's just like us they are we get to sit here and do this, but it's showed somewhere else. What the fuck do we do? No, no, no, no. They're doing something different. He just said they shot a

pilot. No, they're trying to do something different. That's all they're trying to do. They're trying to do something different, but them on ESPN, they're going to shoot from their studio. Their production team is going to do it. They're just sending it. Instead of sending it to TNT, they're sending it to ESPN. So instead of sending it to TNT. They're sitting at ESPN So since then out on TNT is out on ESPN You think even a gonna be a part of it? What third thing say we ain't gonna be on TV like we use that no But that's what I'm saying, that's all that's happening to them that instead of going Tuesday Thursday

But that's what I'm saying. That's all that's happening to them that instead of going Tuesday Thursday ESPN might be trying to create their own Tuesday Thursday and then use them for specialties which why Why it's like I'm going in state Right, this is Kevin Durant if you're not gonna use Kevin Durant is Kevin Durant then what the fuck is the point of having right? He's coming to win chips and finals MVP Are you just you should have just let them die over there But if if you're gonna bring you got to let them go you got them go Let them play let them do what they're gonna do real shit then you can add a steven a Smith on there put Ernie over here y'all gotta

Together y'all got a dream team in a studio And y'all can mismatch and actually play with the lineup because at some point Charles is getting older yeah I Charles getting older so he's gonna have to be replaced Ernie's getting a little bit older but he still got a couple more years I don't know if you know Charles wants to work that much you know just from some of his interviews that he said before so you got to mismatch a little bit to see what's the perfect formula to keep the show moving.

So we asked the chat, are you concerned for the future of Inside the NBA? 63% of the chat says yes, they are concerned. We're concerned too, chat. We will see what happens. But in the meantime, in between time, you still have Gils Arena presented by Underdog. Whoop whoop. We ain't going nowhere and we do what we want to do on YouTube. Shout out to the good folks at underdog for cutting the check

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Yeah, you can't send them out. I just write the message for that good head. The many benefits of using customized text. Don't be like Gil, ladies and gentlemen. Don't be like Gil. No, it, no. It just lives on their thing. So like, let's say, like, I lost some money or whatever, just anything.

I just say, if it's for the good head, and then send it. So anytime they look at her, like, let's say they got a dude and he goes through their shit, it's going to say it. You can't erase it. You can't change that shit. Hell no. Ladies and gentlemen, be wise in your movement The internet lasts forever The internet lasts for trying to expose me

Gil always find a loophole in a way to take advantage of every product that supports this show That's why we appreciate him in the good folks in cash app So Olympic gold medalist Noah Lyles has been critical of basketball players calling themselves world champions in the past. That's all I felt, Ken. He went on the Funky Friday podcast with Cam Newton, provided some clarification as to why he went public with that controversial take.

Lyles also expressed frustration with not getting a signature shoe from Adidas. Gil, you don't have that problem. I like that. While taking a shot at another Adidas athlete in the process. 2023, Adidas asked me to come out for a shoe signing. It didn't work because I was doing a fashion walk

with Hugo Boss and there's no way I was going to be able to make it back to be able to do that. Didn't show up. Then, I had been discussing my own new contract with Adidas and what I wanted to be in there was a shoe. Because I said, Anthony Edwards has a shoe and I'm already a six time world champion and I'm prophesying that I'm going to be the Olympic champion, I believe

I've done enough to prove that my worth is given a signature shoe, or at least having the conversation of it. They said that's not their department, yada, yada, yada, dancing around the conversation. At the time, I was frustrated with them, still am, about how they didn't even want to have the conversation of it. And the point that I wanted to show America, leading off of that, world champions of what, is this is the difference of how we track and field athletes are treated in the US. So we've come back with world championships, on the big golds, we're seen by the world.

They don't even want to entertain the conversation. So Ant-Man got a shoe, I deserve a shoe, six time world champion. How old is he? Old enough to know better. Know how old? I'm pulling it over. 27 years old.

27. 27. Do do. So he don't think there's been track stars, Carl Lewis, Hussein Boat, he don't think, Michael Johnson, he don't think there's been track stars before you that they've already did this data on.

This is a business, this is not your accolades, right? Great athlete, you know, nothing from her, but you're a track runner. We only see you win. You gotta be a fan of track. There's no weekly event. You're not coming on on Thursdays, motherfucker. You're not doing no Hussein bullshit. No, what I'm saying, there's no weekly.

There's no Inside the Track show. There's no weekly. There's no monthly leagues that somebody can follow to know what you're doing. We done seen more interviews from you than we seen you actually race. You're racing once every four years. That's it.

So someone creating a shoe around you, was it gonna be spikes? Who the fuck is buying spikes, only track runners? I'm not just gonna buy this shit just walk around the mall. They're like, you know what I mean? Don't be rude, but then you want probably- Screw it, fuck being rude is fucking back. So then you don't want that because you know that doesn't sell. Then you will want probably a walking shoe

That's not gonna identify with who you are a trainer. She's drainage That's not what you run in You know, you don't run in over running. Okay, you walk around in that but you don't run in that you do not run your race So when I'm trying to sell your product where is it at how many football shoes is out there how many speedos and Michael Phelps sale of goggles they try to give him a shoe little walking, but at the end of the day, when do we get to see you in it on a magazine? Because we can't see you running in it.

Shout out to Zion Sanders, Bo Jackson. So it has nothing to do with... The cross trainer. But I'm playing football. You hear him? He said... The cross trainer, yeah. But he can run, he can play football in those.

Yeah, because you can add spikes to them. You can add spikes, so he can play in those. So we won't know the difference as a consumer because there's just spikes on the bottom, but it looks the same. Whatever shoe they create for you, that's walking around, that's not gonna look the same as your traction.

So when you're winning awards, we don't see it. We don't see the shoe you're trying to sell us. And Chad talking about other athletes like they're talking about Ken Griffey, talk about other athletes that have shoes, but I feel like in no disrespect to no Liles, they were... Hey, Ken, yeah, yeah, he can do it. You can do a strip for him. 162 games a year. Baseball is the oldest thing besides prostitution on the planet. Now look at the Ken Griffey, but the Ken...

You can do a collab. Huh. You can do a collab. I'm the dude that tracks the shoes. The Ken Griffiths were what again? You could do multi-purpose. You could use the cross training. Okay so the structure of the shoe don't change for the consumer. So whatever I see him hit a motherfucking home run in and step on this, I can buy the same shoe. But it's a baseball shoe. You got two million little kids playing baseball. It is, cause you got people that skateboard.

I got middle schoolers. Skateboarders, what shoes do you wear on a skateboard, dog? It don't matter. Skateboarding shoes. You don't see no skateboarders and you still wear the goddamn shoe? The P-Rod's worth nothing. I got the Niles. It's a walking shoe. You don't see no skateboarders and you still wear the goddamn shoe the P Rosworth It's a walking shoe for

You can make a collab shoe for me if your name was big enough to make the shoe dick You don't need to make no goddamn track shoe cuz he attract one They don't do that. It's skateboarder shoes. That ain't skateboard. All right, let's try this. What are not? What are the skateboarders? What is the skateboarder shoes that ain't skateboarders. All right, let's try this. What are not, what are skateboarder shoes? What is a skateboarder shoe? What is a skateboarder shoe? What is a skateboarder shoe? What is a skateboarder shoe? Can a skateboarder wear that? Hold on, can a skateboarder, is this a skateboarder shoe?

So whoever the best skateboarder in the world, can he wear that? And when he wins on his skateboard, does the shoe change? Scott, do you need a shoe to fucking... Can he wear it just like that and be in his concert? Yes, right? He can be in his form, whatever he's famous for.

You saying like basketball players don't got shoes outside of basketball shoes. That don't make sense. Who? I just wore some Kobe Forces just now. Them. Rashid Wallace. You acting like motherfucking nines,

you got Jordans, Forrests. Are you even trying to understand? But you just acting like I'm gonna walk around with spiked shoes. It ain't really about the goddamn, but it is who you are. No, it's not. You have to be in the place that we know you first.

The skateboarders are wearing it during their skateboarding motherfucking night can make some running shoes I'm wearing but they're not try to Scott is wearing it. Why he's wrapping or I'm Wrapping with the shoes on hey before I get Nick's point So so I get Nick's point they could make him a running shoe without spikes, right? People jog and run every single day. They could, yes, but to your point, it's a business He's not big enough, his name is not big enough to sell those shoes, so they're not So therefore, like what you're saying, yes, they could make him a everyday running shoe without spikes, right? Because it's a running shoe, right Right there's a section for running at Nike

So when do I sit in it huh when do I see him in that's what the point I'm making I'm saying yes Both y'all all right. No. Yes both of y'all all right Gil. Yes. No what I'm saying is I can't create You could a running shoe for you as a track star Yes, it's running because I don't see you running in it. I hear you. They could. I don't see you in the profession. I said they could, but they're not.

So to add further context, so Noel Lyle says he wants his own signature sneaker from Adidas. Yes. He said, I want my own shoe. I want a sneaker. Ain't no money in spikes. Of course. Of course, so cool.

So he wants a speaker. Listen to what I'm saying. I said you're right. Everybody else, when you, they're in, they're in their job. Yes. When you see that shoe, right? Travis Scott, he's gonna be on stage

performing in front of the world. Bo Jackson, he's running on the field with those shoes. Right? Anybody else? So when you say, all right, you want a running shoe, the question becomes when, are you gonna win any races in this shoe? You're just walking around in them.

Well, that's the plan. So the same shoe that, so I said, I agree with you. Yes, Gil, yes. I agree with you. Yeah, I agree with you too. What you're saying, yes. The actual shoe that they could create, right? Just take your Agent Zero, right?

Your actual basket, the shoe that you played in, right? Just take the Jordans that the football players played in, the Levens, they just fucking put. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Spike cliques on them, that's it, right? It's still the Jordan, it still would be the Agent Z-Rolls, they just put fucking cliques on it. It's still your shoe.

It could be a running shoe that they just put spikes on, track spikes on, that's it. You know what I'm saying? It could be an everyday gazelle. We just said that they take the gazelle, right? And put spikes on the bitch and told him to go run in it. Now that's the Noel Liles, whatever the fuck the boy's name is, Spike.

Noel Liles. It's the same thing, but they just not, because his name is not big enough for people to go out and be like, give me them Noah Lowes. Right? That's just the nature of it. Because your point is, we only see you every four years. So when the Olympic comes around,

if it was smart marketing, they would do it then. Right? The world championships leading up to, he's racing every year leading up to the Olympics, right? So the world championships, I'm starting a campaign. If he makes it, then we come out with the gazelles with the spikes on it and let him go running the motherfuckers. And now we expect them to go if he wins gold That the sales of this shoe that they didn't put these spikes on Is gonna fuck his sale that's the that would be the hope Not to say that he's gonna do it and we know what she

You know what? She has a shoe? With Nike, he's got a little running shoe shit. She has a signature shoe. You act like you just gotta be seen doing what that thing. He could be walking the street, paparazzi, seeing what the shoes on. People gon' want it. Then why the fuck haven't they done it yet? Cause I said he's not popular enough. Okay, how about the ones that were popular enough?

Same boat. Your same boat has a shoe with put him up. Takari, whatever her name is. He was just like every commercial what the fuck that's gear and shit like a signature yes he's not someone's name will take a sneaker and put a signature on it you got a signature you want some of his name on it he don't want a spike shoe. He wants a walking integer sneaker. He want his shoe.

Next question for y'all, was it necessary for Lyle to throw Ant-Man's name in that interview? Why? Because I feel like a little head. Somebody took his work or something. He just hate basketball. World champions? Oh, what?

Yeah, yeah. Never throw shots at football? Just straight? Because it's... What has he won? Yeah. What does he need to win to sell a shoe for? Kids buying it.

See, that's what I said. I think sometimes they... Yeah. Like someone like him doesn't understand that your accolades, what you have done in your profession, has no merit to sales. Yeah.

Who you are as a person. Yeah, that's it. Can the kids, do they like you? Right, can they relate to you? That's what sells product. And your personal feelings coming out of this, Anthony. Right, so you're saying. Why the fuck he got a shoe? I can get one like that. That's that. If you wanna're still he got a shoe I get one like if you want to know why he has a shoe How about this we take both you we take both y'all and then then seeing y'all in the same room

See you at senior to the mall tomorrow. See you to football game You out of the country Guarantee you you will see why he sells shoes y'all go to China get off the air And I hope they film that and send a video That's not I mean just it's just You're in China together. There's no fault just to sports you those the sports you pick. It's I Mean that no one knows where the diamond league is. No one knows where your league is We can't see you running every week, right?

So we can't as we go look for it, right? You know what I mean? So it's one of those things where it's not available for you to just run across the screen and man we can turn on TV And he can dunk on a motherfucker and boom we see the motherfuckers you I am I want it I want to jump like that you can also dunk on iced tea like you did in one of those promos And you'll want the shoe it just just Just a sport that he's in that just doesn't, right? I know selling, there's nothing you can sell to the consumer.

Wristband, headband, I don't fuck no. Well maybe you should go try to get him a fingernail polish deal, because obviously into it, so. Yeah, shout out to McKay. No, this ain't got nothing to do with, you know. No, no, no, what I'm saying, Jerry McCain? Yeah Yeah, I mean, yes. He's in a relationship with another Do a collab with you and humanist girlfriend. I do you know, I'm just saying I think outside the box

Yeah, well, that's all it is. Like I mean I listen the frustration I Get it right because you're in a sport where your regular self, you can't sell that to everyday customers, right? Can't sell the shirt, can't sell your drawers, whatever y'all wear, right? The cleats, you know, there's nothing for you, you know what I mean? So it's just one of those things is,

you can collab with folks, but you want your own. You want to be different. You are the American runner. You are the fastest man in the world. So you have to figure out how to sell something. Yeah, it's too much. I don't know if it's accurate but I'm gonna just throw it out there and you can look it up if you know to help me out Josiah. Did Lance Armstrong have like a bike specifically that was like that's that Lance Armstrong? Did Michael Phelps have tights or speedos or goggles or anything or like just I want that right I don't know off top but I'm just guys other than had their own line of whatever days but they were great right person I know so this is skateboarders skateboarders skateboard Tony Hawk Tony

Hawks yeah all of those things yes but it's like P Rockwood issues Tony Hawk video game. Remember that? Yeah, the video game, but he had a skateboard. I'm pretty like, that's a big thing amongst kids. You know, I don't like he's better off. He's better off and teaming up with Adidas and creating something that's that is going to be,

you're not going to benefit from it directly but the next generation will and that's who's going to you know get the things that you're fighting for. Create a league. UNED just try to create a league that the American public can follow in real time, right? If we only know you for Olympics, every four years you pop up, you're there for a weekend, and then we don't see you no more, you're never gonna be who you think you are. Yeah.

Right, you need something where we can track you guys all the fucking time. Year by year. We need to create some league that's really established that has races throughout the month. They have the diamond league but. Y'all know the diamond league. What channel is it on?

How often does he race a month? Yeah and then you might look up a random Saturday in fucking April and it's a track meet on and you're like oh this shit. But then the commercial comes on, and if it be the 1500K, whatever the fuck shit is, you're gonna turn it. You're not gonna sit there and just watch a random track meet that you have no horse in the room.

You're just saying you're not. You gotta do it. I'm saying this, the high school kid, I've seen him more on TV running racesists as a high school kid who was in Olympics I've seen him more than I've seen Noah Lowe's racing outside of just the Olympics. He do more than just racing though. He be at events and shit like he was at the Met Gala he do stuff for did he run around a motherfucker Behind him running motherfucker that don't who cares so

So we asked the chat did he wear his goddamn USA So we asked the cheshire no allows have a signature too. He's got the ball a lot. 74% of the chat said no. But let's talk about Ant-Man, who was mentioned in that interview. So Anthony Edwards, obviously his season recently ended. In Wolf's exit interviews, team president Tim Connolly had high praise for his 23-year-old superstar.

What do you see as the best identity of an Ant-led team moving forward? I think competitiveness, toughness, I know it sounds cheesy and clicheish but that's who he is. I think the greatest thing that the compliment of Anthony right now is how much he's won at such a young age especially coming into a team that you know hadn't enjoyed much success in years prior and get number one overall pick. Two-way players certainly. I think the strides he made this year for obviously beyond the arc, the ability to more quickly read different defensive situations.

I mean the sky's the limit. We think he's one of the best players of all time. We think he's on that track. This summer will be even more challenging for him as we raise the bar, not just personally, but collectively as a team. So Tim Connelly said, we think he's gonna be one of the best players of all time, 23 years old, five years in the season. Second team all NBA this season. Is Tim Connelly spitting or tripping

by saying Amp is going to be an all-time great? I think so. On his way. It's 23. Got a lot more games to play. Just got to figure it out, have a good summer. Watch off the court stuff. Stay in the gym. And win, really.

Just got gotta win. Back to back conference final appearances, obviously he has not been able to get to the finals yet, but very impressive. So early in his career. Yeah. So, Kade, do you think MN is going to be an all time great when it's all said and done?

Don't know. 23, bro. Not a good start. Yeah. So, from what you've seen so far, is he trending in that direction? What are we, like, individual accolades? Or, like, what are we basing this on? I don't know. Like, that's...

Has he come in and made a name for himself and has changed the trajectory of the Minnesota Timberwolves franchise for the future. Yes. Took all time greats. I'm not into putting that on people or giving people even to start to think that way. He's competitive. He does things within the game that a lot of people can't do.

But all the time, great talk. I don't, I tend not to partake in those conversations because it's a lot of variables. Is that putting too much pressure on him as a 23 year old to even start that conversation or put it? That's fine. That's what they, if those are the words that Tim chose to use in his dialogue with the media, then great. I wouldn't have done it. I would have chose other words that probably was same meaning, but I would have chose a different word way

to word those, to avoid that question. But, good basketball player, but like I said the other day, it just, my thought process is, like I said the other day, it has nothing to do with everything that he said. For a shooting and three, you know, it has nothing to do with it.

Good, you know Tim Connelly,y has been around the league a long time. Yeah, he's my ball, ball, ball boy. He was your ball boy. You're a smart dude. Hey, when you say all time great, what what number is that? That's one through what? That's what I was going to ask you.

What does that even mean? Do you think with top five, top ten, it feels very vague saying all-time great, but in the name of that- Is top 75 all-time great? Top 100 all-time great? You consider everybody in that top 75 to be all-time great? You have to be.

And then top 100 obviously. Because they put you in the 75 greatest basketball players of all time. I mean, that's why I said, depending on what we're talking about. By the time we're doing another list, what? I don't know, so why the heck? Yeah, top 100, by the time we're doing another list, what? I don't know. So what? Yeah, top 100 by the time they do the top 100.

I'm you know, how he started off, you know, four years now done made to play off every single year. His winning percentage is there his individual accolade is there. So yeah, he's in that lane to be a top 100 in a playoff all time, of course. And then from there is just keep building but I think sometimes the problem becomes when you compare them to

the greats I I think what people tend to do is you compare the person at 23 to the person where you remember them the most. Right, so when people say, oh, he reminds me of Jordan, all you're thinking is, is six rings Jordan. That's all you can think of. You're not thinking about the age where they're comparing. He reminds me of Jordan. This might be the age, 23, right?

So I think sometimes when people throw out certain names no one ever asked a question which years right because if you just say oh he reminds me of Kobe everybody's gonna think 81 they're gonna be thinking the greatness of it not the beginning of the person right and that's why I say I always go with age I need if this is a great list and these are the guys who made it where does he line up Is he on the same road? Is he behind? Is he in front?

Right? If he's in the pack, he still has time. If he's behind, he still has time. He's in front. Keep running. You do age and not years of service, like years played? Yeah, I do age. Because what ends up happening now is...

See, because it's unfair to Jordan. Yeah, but I say Jordan came in at 23. I'm saying because Anthony Elvis came in at 19. This dude Jordan came in at 22. 21 is about to be 22, so it's like at 22, this is where he is now. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. That Michael Jordan came into the fucking NBA terrorizing these motherfuckers. That's what I'm saying So if we're comparing them where Jordan is at 23, where are you?

Jordan who? He has 35 boy He went to the he went for what has he won? Oh Nick you're trying to take an individual for a team. What does he want? There's 30 Voting he was second every people the same age in the end But if you want to do that year and kind of my team in the APA one of the 20 winners in college 21 winners in college 37 but you're not winning. I don't give a fuck at the same Where is he compared to see this? But you're not where is he compared to?

Magic Johnson at that age. Where is he compared to? college, uh Magic no, he came in at 19. where is he compared to? We want to know if Magic was in college. Magic, no, he came in at 19. No, he went to Michigan. Michigan State. Yeah, Michigan State. For what, three years? They had to go to school for three years then.

So again, Magic Johnson came in at 19. All right. Magic Johnson came in at 19. You should know that old shit. So Magic Johnson came in at 19. You should know that old shit. So when you're talking about 23 Right, you know, you got 23 you compare so I can pair him Where if we're gonna say top five or top ten I go by age

But even if some of them came in that means they had to work quicker Yeah, right. He has more, you know, he has more leeway of course, so, you know, it's like all right. He's in this mix Oh, you know, he's in his mix cool. So magic came out of college at 19 was 20 when he started playing and then be a good one Everybody come out motherfuckin 23 years old The couple years before I had. Go to the Army, they didn't come play. The Army, they could have said, that was a couple years before. Had to go to the Army. The Army.

David Robinson did it right there. David Robinson on the other side, two years of naval service. That was a personal choice. Defending his country. For real? Having to give up. That's why I said,

wait, wait. Big motherfucker didn't go to the Marines and no shit. He went to the Navy. He went to the Navy, boy that's what I said. No, wait, wait, big fucking go go to the Marines and oh shit He went to the Navy went to the Navy boy that big-ass target. Well, wait, wait He wanted to turn his ass away. Damn Oh, my front line. Nah, you better do that But that's why I said that's why I said, you know when they named the trophy after magic people got to understand how important magic was When the merger come he is the youngest drafty that they've ever had He like when when the Leeds got together. He is he is the NBA's first child

He is the baby of the NBA Fuck all that 60. He is the baby Fuck all the people who came out of high school before when the NBA became all everything. He is the baby. Fuck all the people who came out of high school before him. When the NBA became all everything, he is the baby of it. Oh, okay. He was the face, the endorser of it, the 90 year old. How long did Bird go to college for? Three years. Three. Three years. That's what I thought.

He came in 21, turned, turned two. So in 18 and 23 career playoff record, like we mentioned back to back conference finals. 18 what? 18 and 23 in his career in the postseason. But back to back conference finals. 18 what? 18-23 in his career in the postseason. But back to back conference finals appearance. So as Connelly mentioned, we saw Ant make an effort to expand his game and make himself a huge threat from three point range. He shot a career high 39.5% from distance,

led the league with 320 made threes on the season. What's the next thing you want to see Ant-Man add to his game? What's the next thing you want to see Ant-Man add to his game? It might be too outdated. I wouldn't see why, but post-up game, mid-post. I'll say that. A place where you can see the double coming and you still got your dribble. That's still a key important to the, to being a dominant scorer, right, where you can catch the ball somewhere

close enough to be a threat, and you can see the double without already having the ball in motion, right? Quick moves. Yeah, you know what I mean? So like, you know, you see the double coming, he can't see, it's just, there needs to be a place where he can

do damage without tiring himself out right so when you think about top tier elite scorers when you talk about jordans when you talk about kobe's when you talk about these guys even the birds right um alan iverson's they they played in the iso realm too like as much as alan iverson ran they they played in the ISO realm too. Like as much as Allen Iverson ran around the court, you had to chase that motherfucker. He he I sold your ass a little bit too. Right. So you have to have these different realms of of being a score. Right. Even, you know, when you talk about Kawhi Kawhi I sold you he poses you up. He, you know, he's gonna face you up and do all that. So I think he needs to implement a little bit of that

because all it is is the same moves just in a smaller spot. Yeah. Okay, what do you feel like Ant needs to add to his game to take that next step? Playing without the ball, playing off the ball. Because once there's a blueprint, not during the regular season, but during the playoffs, that teams realize they can frustrate you

and get you not to be aggressive, then that's what they're going to do. So he has to learn how to play off the ball, catch a lot of catching shoots, moving, putting guys in situations where they relax back doors, different things like that. He's a lob threat like just different things man. You got to be able to play off the ball from him.

So the rules need to upgrade at the point guard position to make that a more realistic. Yeah, they got to get the ball out of his hand. They got I mean they got they got a young guard that yeah, that's a problem because he's a natural scorer, got a quick shot, can shoot the ball, so. I'm talking Dillie. Rob. You know, and it's just, you know,

it's one of those things, man, where you're 23, you can use it as 23, or you can say, man, fuck the age, I wanna get better today and if that's the case moving out the ball you better you better call that War Dale nigga you better go call War Dale yeah who I think was influential and say hey I'm uh uh I don't give fuck where you at I'm staying with you, I'm coming, I can sleep in the guest house and I wanna train with you this summer. Because as great as Curry is with the ball,

he's just as dangerous without it. A lot of people don't understand that part of his game, where when he gives it up and he's running around and he's cutting, he's back doing, he's running around and he's cutting he's back doing he's slashing he becomes a full offensive threat and that's what Ant-Man needs when he says move it out the ball. And he has something that Steph don't you can throw it at bitch up to the rim right so that's that's the difference so you he has that element where you can catch and shoot catch and post you up catching ice and ice so you,

now it's a catch at certain plays, now it's a fucking lob threat. So it's all of those things playing with off the ball that he can utilize, and I think it'll fucking help. Just imagine him doing the step split, boom, back door, whoo! Who is ready for... But that's the offense too.

I know, but who's ready for me sitting to pick it in back door and now my jumping abilities right here right you don't see it coming who's making that pass for them no say that's what they got it they got that's what I'm saying you go for thank you You ain't doing that shit. See that's like that offense. Man, you guys have no sense.

I mean, Collie's over there. He was with us with the Wizards the whole time. So he knows the offense like the back of his hand. Same, same shit he had in Denver. He was in Denver first. That got you know, that group together now he's over here.

So they ain't got no pattern. I, you know, that grew together. Now he's over here, so. They ain't got no patent. I know you ain't got no password like that. He knows what he's doing. Who that? Tim Connelly. Now Tim knows his stuff, man. I've been around Tim.

He knows his stuff. He'll look at that roster and he'll do what he has to and try to implement certain things and getting the young guy Rob into the lineup, I think it'd be key for them moving forward Getting them got bones hollering over there who was a score right you can implement Yeah Is there real I think I'm I don't know what's up, but When you down 3-1,

you would consider that desperation, right? Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, now I got a lineup that these motherfuckers done, took apart, right? At some point, where does this say, you know what? We done watched every movie in America. They always put a motherfucker in nobody know about and he go on there, change the game.

They tried that game, they would, right? With that young fella. Yeah, you just, it's like, yo, Rob, boom. Throw both of them in. Go in, play hard, do what you guys, y'all got fucking seven minutes. Show me something. They shoulda tried that.

They don't have a game plan for these two out there. And the other young boy, they put, that's zero. They put him have a game plan for these two out there. And the other young boy they put in. Yeah. They put him in, they won, right? That's the game they won, right? People don't understand there's always someone on your bench that they haven't scouted, that you can throw in. That's where players like Janobli, Berera, these guys

came in that it's hard to scout them, they're unpredictable, and all they need is two, three plays to make a coach called timeout change his whole defense up. And that- TJ McConnell. TJ McConnell. Yep. You're not game planning for him.

He come out that motherfucking score a nine and a quarter on your ass, and now you- Now you gotta switch high. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so it's, yes. So this is what Gil is saying and what we are saying. Like it's, you have to coach, man, each game, each series, each situation,

each fucking half of a playoff match different. Each quarter is different. Each half match different. Each quarter is different. Each half is different. Each game is different. So you gotta treat it as such. You can't come into this shit with I'm stuck in my ways and I'm gonna do it this way. You're gonna fucking lose.

Unless you got fucking Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant over there motherfucker. You can throw that bitch out there and no matter what nobody else does, you ain't got a chance. Or you can throw Just if you don't have certain just you got a coach man, and you have players over there that Other teams not expecting to go out there motherfucking play man and throw him out to give him opportunity man

They ain't be players for a reason Three minutes five minutes change the series like we seen it in Indiana He ain't play played as all the guys We say he ain't played as all the guys for you It's both of them win so hey, he gonna give it all five minutes I didn't shit hey build a motherfucking mouth gonna be white Hey, they're both signed a two-way contract with the wolves back in February. You got two dudes with quick triggers two dudes with quick triggers. I'm about to say, what?

And he destroyed the G.A. when they sent him down. They got quick triggers or they traded? Got traded, I believe, to the Hawks. At least, and he ended up. And the Hawks didn't use them? It's a cold game. So before we move on, earlier in the show, we showed Canyon's partner pack.

It was not accurate, so we were showing the updated partner pack to reflect the accurate picks for game one. Don't put words in my mouth. Then before we make a change in God damn. Change in God damn. Shit! gonna fucking chase the goddamn shit. He didn't make us do anything. We did this out of respect. Nah, I just like somebody to put words in my mouth.

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Yeah, because that 33 and a half like he picked the dude score 34. I was like, yeah, that's it. First finals game. I get here at home all that. But that's it. It feels like it's going to be a lower scoring game in the series. I don't think it's that, but-

It's game one, but- Game one. That's what I'm saying. These guys, a lot of these guys never played in the finals before. Have to do it in Oklahoma City. I don't know if it's going to be there, but I think they bring extra lights in

because my first finals game, I went out there, motherfucker, I was like, it wasn't like this doing regular. We're bringing it. They got it. They got an extra light in the motherfucking arena man because we stepped out in the Stables Center floor dog. I was like, you know just playing here a couple months ago and we're going to talk about that a little bit later in the show because I'm curious to get a

little bit more insight of what the experience is like playing in the NBA finals but before we move on we asked a chat will Anthony Edwards be an all-time great? 69% of the chat believes that Anthony Edwards will be an all-time great in Adam Silver's National Basketball Association. Let's keep this thing moving. We talked about Luca pulling up to the mind the game pod a little bit yesterday but I want to talk about an important conversation they had on the show so LeBron told Steve Nash how he grew up learning to hoop without formal trainers

and when he thinks an appropriate time to start working with them is. I didn't have a basketball trainer until second, third, maybe fourth year in the NBA. Like my basketball training was just being on the court. Let's just go hoop. Let's go hoop. Let's five on five or two on two or three on three.

Like a game that we played when I was growing up was called 33 or 21. You know, basically it's one man for himself and you could be guarded by all your friends and if I score I go to the free throw on it, I shoot two free throws and I get it back. And that's how a lot of creation started with me being able to dribble around three or four guys,

going behind the back, going, you know, shoot, you know, getting physical with your friends, like, you know, so, it definitely helped me out a lot. This nigga on bullshit. So we heard what LeBron had to say about you as a trainer. I was talking about just how, you know, people don't go out and play on the playground anymore. And that's a key element of strengthening your game,

learning how to do stuff, trial and error, and just figuring it out. But in your guys' opinion, are trainers overused in today's basketball culture? Yes, especially amongst children. What? Right, it's watered down. It's...

It's an easy way to bamboozle people out of money that don't know what the fuck they're looking at, right? You go to 24 hour fitnesses, LA fitnesses, Y's, rec centers, parks, you see trainers and kids and they charging these people 50 to $100 an hour to train their kids and there'll be multiple kids out there and they kid ain't gonna make they fucking junior high basketball team So they out there

Nick listen dog you Yeah, I don't come out training them but I'm talking about as a kid I used to play we had like Set days for each part. I played that this park on Monday, this park on Tuesday, this park on Wednesday. You're a dead ass. No, stop. No, dead ass, we played back though. We played, I played a game.

We played basketball. Yeah, for real. Kids don't play basketball. They don't play basketball. They just train all day. It didn't matter, outside, it was outside, inside, shit. So, I'm going to beat this beach. I was telling my wife this other day about my six,

much more, seven year old. Like, this is what he does every day at school. He plays basketball with his friends every single day at school. Mornings, at lunch, whenever he can get his hands on the ball, they're always playing outside. And this is more important than training because he's using his little creative mind at seven years old trying to do to do things get around his friends he's being so you to put him in a I'm so we

tried right and he didn't like he like he struggled at it because he wasn't sure about himself so it's a lot of that going on and you can break a child's confidence trying to get them to do certain things before they physically can do them. And they shooting the ball a certain way, they can't get it up to the rim. That's why LaMelo ball took him forever to change his shot. And all of them, they shooting that bitch from over here and Jello's the only one who has a good, he was bigger than all, he was bigger than him

He was strong, he was bigger than the mother too So that's why Lamello was shooting the ball the way he was Yes, he was little, trying to shoot, they gotta shoot that bitch from half court Like gotta get, so they fucking him up early, right? Bad habits and things, so yes, fuck trainers for kids before a certain age. Overarcher. Absolutely, before a certain age. Absolutely.

Should there be a balance though? I think a two-off balance. Listen, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, you have to play basketball. Right? Training is not basketball. No. Right? That has nothing to is not basketball. No. Right?

That has nothing to do with basketball. So you got all the moves in the world, don't know how to play basketball. You put five on five, you don't know what the fuck to do. You don't know where to go. You don't know nothing. You just got everybody just sitting at the top, waiting for it's their turn to do their move

that the coach done taught them. And one basketball. Yes, and one basketball Some of them with the training camp and got cut first cut like oh shit Yeah, that's that's when you get better watching that then trying to do the shit at the park Dumping down then trying to do the shit at the park. You got another thing trying to win. You know how to dump it down. You know how to dump it down. You try it. You start playing basketball first.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you try it at somewhere. But you try some of it when you watch it. Yeah, because you already been playing basketball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, you playing basketball every day, then you see these dudes, now you go play 21, 25, whatever it is

y'all playing, y'all respect them. Pick up like, hit him with this. Yup. Rude shit, right? Bitch go out of bounds the first time, you gonna try it. But you know how to play all of it. respect their pick up like hit him with this yeah right this guard about the first time you gonna try so you but you know how to play all right I did that bullshit where it got anyone and I did this movie right touch it like this yeah one of those nigga took that shit with a duck that bitch work. Right. Or, you know how many niggas got beat up throwing the ball off of their face? Boom.

Bitch. Listen, dog. Trying to end one shit in this real game, dog. But no, so you know how to play basketball first. And then it's like, the training shit comes when you got a foundation of this is, OK, he's athletic. He can do this. He can't do this. He's going to he's gonna be this he ain't gonna be like it's has to be doubt in every every individual person so when you're talking about I got a

group of six kids and we're gonna drill them the same no no no no no listen all six have different maki so if I'm teaching the in and out crossover, right, make sure for your trainers like that, film all of them, right? Make sure they go through it 10 times each. So now you understand like, all right, the way your arm is, you might have to fake it in, like you're shifty with it,

like they're all moving different at a different speed. So the move has to be tailor-made for how they use it. Right? They all use a move differently. Right? And then you still got to play it out to see how it works against other people. Right? You have to play basketball.

So if I say, spend money on a trainer or drop his ass off at the park all day. Drop his ass off at the park all day. Because now, like, when I was learning how to play basketball, it was adult league and at the park. Right? Now imagine you a young dude and grown-ups came there six in the morning. I know one thing you're not going to do, touch the fucking ball. You better not shoot that bitch, motherfucker, because it woke up at six o'clock and there's

eight nexus. there's eight nexus There's eight nexus. So now I my first introduction to basketball is fucking run around set screens Dive on the floor officer rebound if I got officer about if I can't put it back up pass bitch back to the Run full court like it was it became one of those those so you know from the ages of like 11 to 13 I never really got to grab the ball and shoot most everything was run fools set up You know just unless you was playing with your age Now when I go back to my age group I have more shit with me. Yeah, right. Oh, that's a little bit of adults Yeah, get a ball over here. Yeah

I've seen We're talking about this trainer thing. What did you get your first trainer? First train like first trainer. Yeah We're not for okay wall. I didn't get no trainer. I still have it like I got it I use the shooting coach for a weekend, Dave Hopla. Yeah. Like every time I see Dave, I was like, can you shoot with me to change my shot,

to work on my shot? He gave me like free warm up drills. But other than that, all I did was got the NBA jam tapes that they had back in the day. I got those and then just wrote down the moves. This will be homework bound. Everything yourself. Yeah, I just. I got those and then just wrote down the moves pistol-peep homework back Just wrote the move down and then just work them shits all morning I didn't seen trainers NBA trainers, right? There's training NBA guys

Not correct like you know training guys trying to help guys get better. Mm-hmm trying to get drafted They're going eventually go go to a pre-draft workout for teams and this, that, and that. And I'm sitting in the gym. KJ's in there. He's working out. If I see something and I can correct KJ in real time, I'm going to do it.

Or afterwards, I'm going to do it, right? This is daily. They end up working out man and I'm just watching them not correct this kid's behavior right just like that ain't go that's not oh that's not the word I'm just watching it day in day out day in day out dog. NBA person I know come in, we watching the same workout, and he leaned over to me like, the fuck is this kid doing? And my exact words, he been doing it every day

and they ain't said nothing to him. It ain't my job, right? I could correct it, cause I know, I see the, it ain't, you're not paying me. This is not my job for me to sit there and be like, hey man, like that's not gonna fucking go. And that's what I wanted to tell him. But I'm gonna help my son get better, right?

That's, I'm gonna, I want you to train him, work on it, cause I don't know the two ball, I don't know none of that shit that y'all gonna help him with. But I know how to help him get better at basketball. This is what I'm, you can do skill shit, shooting out, cool. Basketball, I got that. And that's what I'm like, so it's beyond just little kids that getting a disservice.

The NBA players are getting a disservice as well with these bad habits as being creative and not being corrected in real time. Right? I'm not gonna let you watch you do something fucked up once and me now, hey, now that ain't, hey, or at least watch it one time and see if you're gonna do the shit again. And then it's a habit. Like, no, we're not, hey, hey, bro, hey, terrible fucking shot. Get that out your game. Ain't no coach gonna let you do that shit. You're a rookie. So it's none of that going on with these trainers

and different things like that because they collecting the check and they don't want that check to stop because your feelings gonna be hurt. Therefore you'll go find another trainer and then they gonna speak bad about you because you corrected that bad behavior that they had. Other than you going to that motherfucker tell the trainer,

yeah, he corrected some shit that I was doing and I didn't like it mm-hmm 95% of trainers I mean probably a little bit higher but you know for the most part majority of the trainers now are the moves they're teaching they didn't even do right the game that they're teaching they didn't even have I hate that right you this wasn't even your game right, you're not an expert at that like if If I want to learn dribbling in the art of dribbling My coach better had been him at dribbling

My coach better had been him at dribbling, right? Ray Frosting, Sham God. Yo, y'all, this is what you did for a living. Even if you didn't make it to an elite level, you knew how to move feet, shift feet, so your vision is a little bit different. Same thing with a shooter, same thing with some guy who just had natural ability. Your trainer can't say, all right, this Kyrie move, this how you do it, Shooter same thing with some guy who just had natural ability your your trainer

Can't say all right this Kyrie move. This is how you do it and y'all go out there do it because the problem is Kyrie has done it before he done showed it in the game. He's done done it hundreds of times with a coach Defending it So he knows what he's feeling for before he moves the other way y'all are just doing it 5-1-0-0 1-0-0 1-0-0 cuz you never applied the move to know how it really works to see if it's actually usable because there's moves that are usable at the top of the key moves that are baseline moves moves that are usable at the top of the key, moves that are baseline moves, moves that are sideline moves, some moves that are just fast break moves. You're coming in real time, and go.

Right? Yeah. But you need to, if you like that type of stuff, I say you keep doing it if you do it in reps. But some moves, like I seen somebody do it was I think it was Alexi. They did a move that didn't didn't make sense to how defense is playing you Right you you're going up this way to come back For me I have a creep like

Yeah Like, for me, I have a creed, like... You have certain moves in certain areas. At night, like, we'll just go in the gym and just do crazy, like, creativity shit, just try shit at, like, certain times. And I know I ain't gonna do this in a game, but just in case I have to use it, I... But that's what I'm saying. You still have to apply it, like, all right.

You still have to do it. I did what you said. You know, I go below the free throw line. Normally, this person's still have to do. Yeah, I do what you say below the free throw line Normally this person is supposed to jump here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. She's supposed to and push me baseline, right? I'm not gonna be doing a whole bunch of moves. I got me going this motherfucking way. Yeah I'm gonna have a ball in this hand, right? I'm gonna go here hit and then grab it back He's here. That's rainers bitch. You can't have it in your life and then grab it back. He's here.

Bitch, you can't have it in your left hand. It has to be, you're right. Hold him off here, do some shit that got you going this way. I heard motherfuckers doing these moves against a chair and a cone. Like, motherfuckers, people reaching for the ball, right? This motherfucker, arms and hands and feet and shit in his way. Like, you know, like, yeah, I just... I was watching that shit.

Yeah. Yo, so my thing for a long time was, right? With the two ball shit. Like somebody gonna be just like. I don't play with two of them motherfuckers, so I just need them to teach me how to dribble with one of them motherfuckers. Like, hey, won't you say, man,

teach me how to dribble with one of them first. Let me perfect that one, and then we'll get to the two. Because I ain't seen not one game yet that I've been part of seeing on TV that they use two of them motherfuckers. You know what, you know what drill I don't see no more? And when you think about it, you hated it, but it was effective.

The pass, no. Passing, monkey in the middle, passing. You got the deflector, you got to get three deflections and shit. People didn't realize, like, even for the passer. Yeah, you got to get the ball through. Get the ball through, that was real. Now, passing, just straight line and wonder why. So many turnovers.

I'm trying to throw it. I'm on this side. I got to throw it this way across the body, wonder why. why because it's you've really had to learn how to pass with defense That's that's that's that transfers into the NBA or just just basketball period Motherfuckers sitting there doing it You got a We can't say monkey in the middle anymore, unfortunately. Why?

Just because of the atmosphere. Monkeys are extinct? But just, you know, you gotta call them line drills now. You can't call them by the name they used to be. You can't say master. Suicide? They're line drills now, Gil. Suicide?

They are. They're line drills. They are line drills. They've always been line drills. Run a line drill now, now. Line drills are just a bunch of drills that you're going to be doing online. Suicide, been line drills. Run a line drill now, now. Line drills are just a bunch of drills that you're going to be doing a lot. Suicide, we know that. That's one drill.

Yes. What made it suicide? Who said this is going to be called suicide? I don't know. Right? That's crazy. That was just a term we used. No big deal. But let's keep it moving. Also in a recent episode of the Mind Game podcast,

LeBron James, Steve Nash showed our very own Gilbert Arenas and Russell Westbrook some love. Let's take a listen. Seeing guys like Russell Westbrook and Gilbert Arenas, guys coming out of college, UCLA, Arizona, Gill came off the bench. Darren Collison was a starting point guard at UCLA before Russ even got an opportunity.

But when you talk about things that cannot be denied, when they were on the court or you saw them, it was something that, when we talk about the it factor, Gil had the it factor. He had the belief in himself, he had the it factor. Every time he touched the court, he was like, oh shit, this guy's special. Yeah. You know, this guy's special. Every time Russ stepped on the court, oh, this guy's special. We've we've never seen anything like

this. Right. Like, it's like a, as soon as you get on the court, it's a missile. Right. You know, and uh, it's just, that's a, that's the beauty of the game sometimes where you able to like those, I'm gonna say diamond in the roughs, but I mean you look at Gil, I think it was a second round pick. So Gil, when you hear LeBron, Steve Nash, two of the greats to play the game, two MVPs, giving yourself love, saying you had the if factor. That's the hundo right there.

Between the two of them hunded. 54. Forty- hundo. The hunded to the hunded. You feel me? Call them the hundeds. Nah, I mean that's...

You know, most of our accolades that we do accept are from our peers. Right? Because, you know, they're watching us, they're scouting us, they're watching film on us, right? They're playing against us in real time to know how good we really are, you know what I mean? So, you know, these two that I played against, very high level games against, I really do appreciate, you know,

You know, I really do appreciate, you know, I appreciate, you know, the kind words, you know. For me, you know, being in the second round, I knew I was at least top 15 player that draft, but, you know, when I started the NBA, I wasn't ready. I can tell you that I wasn't ready. And it took me some time to watch the game, study it, watch players, and then realize what my gift is and was versus theirs.

Right, versus instead of just looking at what I didn't have, right? I didn't have the vertical, I didn't have the height. You're right, so it's like, okay, I'm a shooting guard, but I'm good enough to be a point. I can play the point. I'm faster than most of these points. I'm just as strong. This is my lane Let me try to study on how to be this, you know this version of it and then from there is just

You know just studying the game itself and understanding rules human behavior and just crafting You know, um My talent, you know, but the it factor like, you know being a guy who was confident, you know They just came for me just training and just what did that come from? Just just training. I'm like I said listen if I sit in the gym from 9 a.m. To my fucking 12 at midnight But when these moves all day if I walk into a gym and I'm not confident just sit there's no point of being there I don't set in this bitch playing a dope league. You know me crossed over motherfucker. The confidence comes with doing it over and over

right like it Reps do matter right then do reps do matter and I'm pretty sure there's a, if you just think about it, there was a play in college that you did that said, oh, I'm number one player in the motherfucking country, even before you was the number one player

in the country. There was a play that somebody did something, you did a spin motherfucker, monkey dunked on somebody and came down, grabbed it out of the air, came down through his fist, bitch, bowed. There's something that made us be like, yeah, I'm him, right? And then from there, once you get that feeling,

you just capitalize on it. You need the reps though. So Kane, was there a play in college, or a moment in college, or a point in college where you were like, oh, I'm that dude, like nobody's on my level? One before my senior year,, one before my senior year, but one during my senior year.

Playing at the World University games, went to Spain. I led that team in scoring and rebounding, supposed to be the best people in college basketball, allegedly. Yeah, I got back to the gym, I got back to Cincinnati and it was like a light bulb went off. And they had, we played DePaul. Yeah, we were down 17.

That's when you went maniac mode, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Was that that team, DePaul, did they have like Kroon Richardson on them? Yep. They had the squad. The scalpel building, yes. Bobby Simmons. Bobby like, Kroon Richardson on them? Yep. They had a squad. Scott Gilder, yes. Bobby Simmons.

Bobby Simmons, I about said. Stephen Hunter. Yeah. Yeah, they had a squad. We were down 17, man. But now, yeah, so, so Gilder's right, man. Once you figure that out, man, and you're able to put that time in,

and once your peers recognize what you are doing, there's no no better Reward for your craft what you did man like for you for somebody that you battle with playing the playoffs against this man before and for them to recognize the work that he put in and Like even with Jermaine O'Neal yesterday when he was surprised you didn't have a defense Yeah, I mean all defensive team you like none wait what yeah, yeah right there that lets you know that Like even with Jermaine O'Neal yesterday, when he was surprised you didn't have a defense. You know how many all defensive teams, you're like, none.

What? That right there, that lets you know that. But finished top ten in defensive player of the year voting one year, which I'm still baffled by how you were, but that's, you know, these are just things I see. Wait, what? So finished ninth in defensive player of the year voting. You didn't, how, how's that even possible? Was it because they did the, they made my positions or some shit like possible? Well, they did this they made my positions or something

position it was just Not one year Yeah, but that said it all when he said it like he was surprised that you didn't because he has to play against you Yeah, right. So, you know, that's it's it's more of a peer thing than versus Yeah, he can't I'm saying he was in your for when I got when I came here, right? So yeah, yeah 90s than versus. Yeah, he can't. He was in year four when I got, when I came here, right? So. Yeah, cause he had a 90's, yeah. Yeah, that was.

But he was in the league the whole time you were in college. Yeah, so it was, so just, so they got drafted. So this is how shit works, right? People don't understand, like my progression in college and J.O. progression, Kobe progression in the league. We all came out of high school in 1996, right? They went to the league. I went to college.

I had to go to college. Wasn't that good. Each year I got better. Each year they got better. By the time my senior year came around, which is year four for them, I was consensus national player of the year. So I was just as good, but I was raw.

Them dudes were skilled. I didn't have the skill set to go play in the NBA at 18 years old like they did. 17. I didn't have it. I got better at it because I already had what they had. I played hard all the time, so that was off the table. So it was just get better every year. So, and there we go, them dudes was all stars by year four. I'm the first pick and consensus national player of the year, the best player in college basketball by my fourth year. So it's, this is what the thing that you need to work like, this is getting better, right?

This is locking in and I have to get better. I'm going to get better and putting that time. And like you said, the reps before my my senior year I didn't touch the rim I didn't dunk the basketball not one time that summer I didn't dunk the basketball when I came back from Spain I shot all jump shots oh didn't do they still do that like what you did you say you were a university game I don't know if this I know I mean they still do all of the UA team 16 mean they still do all the U18, U16 and all that. So they just changed the names of it I think.

It was that. But yeah, I didn't... So I knew my... I need to shoot the ball, right? So, didn't go to the drive. They need to see more from me offensively. Aight, cool. All jump shots. Old school shit. Old school elbow to elbow. Three, spot three. All jump shot, old school shit. Elbow to elbow.

Three spot three. I didn't make my first three to that DePaul game that I speak of. I didn't shoot a three until then. Four years of all my first throughs, my senior year, all the work I had put in, all this shit. We down 17. They're gonna be bringing this bitch out now. Hey now. Shit, listen. Swaggy, let's shift over to your side.

Coming out of Cleveland High School in the Valley, not a heralded basketball program. We just keeping it real. But when did you know you had that if factor and eventually turn yourself to a first round pick? Obviously made a poor college decision with USC. Forgive you for that. Those things happen.

But. Shit. I'll say. college decision with USC forgive you for that those things happen but uh shit um I say second half of my freshman year at USC when I like what you said at USC I didn't play basketball until my junior year man yeah so I I was just street balling. But like at USC, I didn't start right away. Even though I should have, but the Craven Twins was there. And the fuck yeah. So they was starting.

Then Bibi got fired. You know, a new coach came in, put me in, and I won team MVP that year, you know. Who took it? Was that Kevin O'Neal? Who took over for him? Um, Tim Floyd. Floyd, okay. My dog.

Your dog, Tim Floyd? Yeah. Freshman. Oh, now Bibi old school, he ain't even really playing. Yeah, he didn't let me play at first, that's true. Very tough. You know, you couldn't transfer, so I'm just sitting here mad and shit like that.

Sit out. Got fired after the fourth game. Damn. Blessing. Thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Jesus. Oh, y'all are unbelievable. what, please get this thing out of here. Alright, well let's keep this thing moving.

NBA finals talk, NBA finals a day away. So Thunder Pacers NBA finals being dubbed the Paul George Bowl with PG Trades helping both teams assemble key parts of their current rosters including all three of the all NBA selections in this series. PG started his career with the Pacers before being traded to OKC in 2017 for Dimash Sabonis and Victor Oladipo. Pacers went on to flip Sabonis for Halle. PG went on to have two of the best years of his career in OKC, finishing the 2018-19 season third in both MVP and Defensive Player of the Year voting while securing his

only first team all-NBA selection in his career. So before being a part of another blockbuster trade to the Clippers with OKC, Lennon, SGA, Jaylin Williams and some other things that are still going on to this day in the deal. But my question for y'all is does Paul George deserve a championship ring from whichever team wins the final? If you want to be asshole, you send a one. This is because of you sir. You get a one, but in all sincerity, is it wild to think that both these teams now that are currently in the NBA finals

were based off the strength of building their roster by trading Paul George? That's crazy. Their roster or just the key player. Yeah, it's a building their roster. Well, the Thunder situation, it was a lot. Yeah, that's all him. A lot of picks, a better name. Well, the thunder situation, it was a lot. Yeah, that's all him. A lot of pigs, a lot of.

Damn. Well, I mean, it just says a lot about that, you know, the talent that he was, that he was that valuable to keep getting moved for these certain pieces. That's all it really says. You know, there's guys out there that had names, and they got traded for nothing. You know, there's there's guys out there that had names and. They got traded for nothing. Right, at least, you know, at least these trades turned into something.

Yeah. You never know what it's going to become. Yeah. They drafted these kids for a reason, and it just so happened that it. It's working out into these organizations' favor, right? They're asking for the right pieces in these trades, and they could ask anybody back. The right pieces. Right?

They're asking for the right pieces, and it's working out for them, so. Think about it. Yeah. Think about that. Tyrese and... De'Aaron Fox back court. And many people thought that was a win-win trade at the time. Obviously, the Kings have gone on to break their playoff drought, but I think Halliburton has more wins.

Thinking about that. With the Pursers and the Kings having the last... Who is they point guard now? Monk. I think they went with Monk at the point. This thing is saying Monk. Millenate. Is it Monk? Yeah. It's Monk.

They don't want him. They want to play different. And um... Zach Levine. They want to play different. They want the ball to move. They don't want a traditional guy at that spot. They want the ball to... They want the bonus to be the facilitator.

Right? So that's why they did that. Trying to follow the yolk hitch. Yeah, that's what they did. Because he can pass the ball, throw that bitch into him and let him find everybody. But no, with PG, man, it's just... The day and age of social media man and media everybody got a voice that people are yeah I'm saying Paul George both they like shit like that

George ball it's funny but it's it's the sports is business and it's working out for these teams man man, these organizations. So. So we asked the chat if Paul George deserved the championship ring from whoever wins the final 73% in the chat says no chat. You're some haters today. Let's shift it to the thunder side. Got to give Sam Presti a ton of love.

He's architect of the OKC team from the KD Russ era to the present. Got to start with the Sonics even before the move to Oklahoma City. So Presti's been at the helm for the last 18 years, now seeing three players win MVP on his watch. Not to mention former sixth man of the year winner under Presti's leadership, James Harden, who also went on to win the MVP with the Rockets. So, after the Katie and Russ era was over, Presti landed Paul George, then flipped him to the Clippers for this haul.

Let's just take a look as a reminder what it was. Let's just say Paul George. This haul. And at that time, SGA wasn't the player he is now. Obviously, he was showing a lot of promise. But this year, they ain't got no pick next year. God. But you see what it is.

SGA for first round picks, two pick swaps. Obviously, one of those draft picks became all NBA all-def defensive player, Jalen Williams. So does Sam Preston get enough credit for his player and roster development at OKC? He has some tough times, made some tough moves, trading away, franchise hallmarks. You can see he's a real basketball brain, right?

I mean, you know, if you swap him out and put somebody else there, they wouldn't be smart enough to see what they need, right? You know, some people just have an eye for talent, right? You know, Spurs, you know, them day. They had an eye for what they were looking for that fit with You know Tim Duncan You got you know them over okc Whoever made the picks for Golden State

When Steph Clay Jremont, that group. Bob Myers. Bob Myers. Oh, yeah. Bob. That's Bob. Right? You know what I mean? He had Ive.

In reality, there was probably one pick that was just off. But it was a right pick. At the time. It was a right pick at the time. It just didn't pan out for your style. And that was Wiseman. Other than that, the picks that they picked was good picks. We all thought it was a good pick though. Young, athletic, big that they needed because Draymond

was who he was. He's a lob threat. So we all thought that's what they did but it's just the wrong person. Right attributes, wrong ticker. Why was it the wrong person? That's why I be here. Wrong ticker. Listen, if your offense is created around, remember he comes from Arizona. He can play, right? Right. Arizona is guard heavy, Arizona.

Big man didn't worth shit. Come on, why is he there? So that's the offense he had. Right, he has the Wildcat offense. Who, Weisman? No, Steve Kerr. Oh, Steve Kerr. So if you look at all the big men that went there,

eh, eh, eh, eh. Right, y'all are just tools to this guard offense, right? So, you know, I don't think anything was implemented for him to be what he was. So it was probably easier to knock his confidence and, you know, from there, just, if he wasn't mentally ready to be just be strong What?

You know so Sam Preston did win executive of the year this season for the first time the first First time in his career when I just season that's some hate Yeah, there's a lot of haters among you didn't give it to win the second MVP one Nigga you own or something. Yeah, he drafted James to James Gold James count. Yeah, James counts on his watch. Yeah, he drafted But only like right only the Lakers organization and probably old Probably old Boston Boston. Well, yeah No most of the old No. Multiple MVPs. Oh.

Multiple MVPs. Multiple MVPs on the same team that's in the same, they got drafted. Yeah, no, it ain't happening. Is he the only one? Yeah, that shit's crazy. Three, four, so he's drafted four MVPs. Yes. Well, traded for one.

Traded for one. Traded for one, yeah. I'm saying one of them probably, they probably wanted the draft. But the one. They probably wanted the draft shade and didn't have the pick but the one but the one with the draft shade and getting it and didn't have the picked at the time and the Clippers fucking picked him and See how that should go. Amen this kid. Hey shade gives us a we need a clip was picking. Yeah Trades about to happen. He's a very very like hey, what's this kid out of the shade? Hey, what's your alley?

Got I got now. So you got Lakers Spurs and then probably their first now probably. So let's shift it over to the Pacers side real quick Pacers rolled through the Eastern Conference as the four seed defeating the Bucks in the first round coming through with upsets over the top seeded Cavs third seeded Knicks in route to their first finals appearance since 2000 announced a showdown with the best team in the league with the Thunder winning both regular season matchups Entering the finals as the heavy betting favorite Good you said the patient may be able to win one game Yeah, I got my say I got one so during immediate availability before the partner for Oklahoma Tyrese Halliburton had this to say about his pacer squad being underdogs in this finals As long as the guys in our locker room and the people in this building believe, then you know anything is possible.

So we're really excited about the challenge. It's a really good team in front of us and no quote unquote expert or analyst is gonna pick us and that's okay. We like it better that way and it's gonna be a lot of fun. So do you guys like Halliburton and Pacers mentality heading into this NBA finals? Is it almost giving them a chip on their shoulder to know that nobody's rocking with them? And nobody thinks that they have a realistic chance of winning this championship? People think they'd be here right now at this point.

So they just go into this business as usual, right? The small state, small town, anything like that. But like, people are gonna give them a shot from the beginning. the small state, small town, anything like that. People didn't give them a shot from the beginning. It'd be surprising. In the finals. It was like my Nets team my first year. Nobody think it was gonna be in the finals. Got swept, but.

Minimum game throughout. No, we got swept. I think we got swept. I went back, I did some extensive research last night. It wasn't that, you talk about sweeping, you you talk about sweeping you automatically think I just got your ass Oh, no, we didn't get our doors blew off, but they were better than it But that game three obviously you lose that one by three you drop 35 and 11 game four So from a personal standpoint, yeah shit. I was fucking 23 years old I averaged what 20 20 finals

Shit fucking kid averaged what 22 in the finals shit fucking kid but not a they got the right mentality that's what that's only mentality that you can have mm-hmm so just go play basketball at this point it ain't about nothing else man about going out and imposing your will on your opponent as much as you can man and may the basketball guys be fucking with you They got look on these guys. I'm who you don't need God We all need God you don't need God no on the court with you. They had them. They may have them Look this cleave cleave fan back here motherfucking. Yes, they may have it

Fuck. Yeah, but it all sincerity go. You don't think the Pacers have a legitimate chance of winning this championship, but let's just say, if you were the Pacers, how would you approach trying to win the NBA final? Before the Knicks series, I'm like, before they beat the Knicks the first game, you didn't think they had a chance. What's that movie with the six man? It's not that, it had the six man. No, the ghost.

Six man. What's the name? I know the six man. What was the name of the ghost? Because that's what they're going to need in this. What's the name? I know the six men. What was the name of the ghost? Because that's what they're going to need in this. The name Hardison? His government name.

A.K. All the way. Antoine Tyler. Yeah, that's what they need. They need him. That's what they're going to need. A.K. All the way.

They're going to need him in this series. I can tell you that. Forget it. You do. A.K. All the way. That's my favorite. One of my favorite movies. A great movie. A.K. all the way.

You said, what would I do if I'm Pacers? Stop. Hoping for a... You not sitting down and losing. Keep it simple. Realistic answer, okay. I think probably trying to over coach. Over coach this series is gonna get the best of you.

You know, when you're the underdog, when your back is against the wall, right? That means the shackles is off. There's no, you don't have restrictions, right? Now you get to fight at your full, just everything. That's when the underdogs win like are we lost? Let's just go out there and just fight that that's how you win these games when I look They probably know all this shit. We don't supposed to win the point spread motherfucker 10, right?

Go out there and just do like this just go do us just run pick up play just play that's that's how they will win this series you going there you trying to sit there and manipulate the game and do it now you gonna get your ass blown the fuck up because now you're gonna handicap you'll scare the fuck out of everybody no that's that's this here unconventional thinking here just just go out there that motherfucker and sit do one of these you sit now you trying to go talk out you trying to do this shit right here yeah these niggas right here yeah they gonna assholes gonna be tight so 2010 finals

the Miami Heat was favorite and Dallas Mavericks. 11th. 11th. 11th. Favorite, right? Yeah. Same shit, bro. Rick gonna go in there more for, hey fellas, been here before. Right?

Been here before. They done seen everything down there. Go out and play basketball, right? Who done seen everything? They seen Yannis, they seen Mitch, they seen Brunson, they. I'm saying Rick Carlisle as a coach, I believe in him.

I believe not over coaching is what you when you said I was like I can see Rick going at month over like this shit don't matter man. Yeah, don't none this shit on this board I'm a put go matter Mads went down to own that's One of the next four games in a row That's my thing they were underdogs he's taking on the coach So Chad is saying don't have Halle guarding SGA. No, he doesn't have to. He's not.

Who do you think Pacers throw at SGA to try to? Don't matter. Nemhart, Neesmith. I'm just saying they gonna listen to you. No, no, I mean, yeah. Nemhart, Neesmith, McConnell, with the Shepard kid, whatever they got. They got enough bodies to throw.

Pascal Siakam. I that though Pascal Siakam And put the Pascal Siakam on him length. I'm just I'm throwing everybody I got over there. I'm putting big everybody I got over that bitch Definitely Benjamin Mac because he is never here wild card and he might haul off a punchin Yeah, he's strong enough to take his strong enough to take the shoulder bump and tall enough to challenge the shot. And he competitive enough to take the challenge. Here's a problem. There was a Brunson.

First of all, there was a Donovan Mitchell first. He let off in that ass as an individual, right? Team was kind of hurt. Him, right? You couldn't control him Brunson little Got at the rim anytime. He won't you couldn't control him now you have the MVP Who only wants to go for layups? He ain't sitting there shooting threes and this nigga going for layups

He's he's going for that rim that orange shit that sit there with the the the backboard with the timer on the top He wants to go to that right and you don't know how to defend that Your defense with that type of player has be been irrelevant He's he's, all of six seven. He's not six two underside. He is six seven, that's athletic, that is shifty, that's coming here and then he got a counter partner who want to kind of get in there too. Oh, them legs is open, let's go on up in there. That's them two. Right, so you cool guarding him but you

got to figure out how to keep both of them from for being attacked from going up in those legs. This is all I'm saying. How we started off you don't want to do any party where they see some of that. Where they got them like yeah yeah yeah do it like that do it like you don't want that. I'm not wrong with you. Okay how how much it brunts an average only ups? How much of the average that's something young is a person I go to the hole all the time You you got to you you got a team This ain't just one play you got a team who's coming in there doing it They've seen towns and all

Yeah, better team. This is the number one team But they will this is the number one team. But they whoop they asses. This is the number one team. But they whooping team's asses. I'm gonna come out here. No, the niggas on that side is whooping team's asses. They play good zone. They ain't in the game seven yet.

You got it, who? Indiana. They ain't play a game seven yet. Well, you wanna put something on this? I'm just giving them more credit. I'm just saying, I'm giving them more credit than what you're trying to on this? I'm just Just read the points but the point spread is nine and a half They didn't play which means if you Indiana or it somebody like you who you taking you gonna take Indiana plus nine and a half Right, which that sounds smart didn't a motherfucker the point spread right now game one is

Okc winning by nine and a half. So that means if you take Pacers you got as long as they don't lose by ten you win money They bring money over who you put your money on they've been wrong before you put your money in Indiana for sure points for sure For sure you have no points. Huh? You give me the points. Yeah. Yeah, give me the points. I'm gonna be bad Huh? Would you want to bet? You think if Vegas thought there was gonna be under nine and how you gonna go put that's ready put that bitch ball How much you bet? Huh? What you wanna bet? You think if Vegas thought they was gonna be under nine and a half, you think they gonna put that spreader, put that bitch about what five and a half? That's what I'm looking at. I'm looking at the four and a half, five and a half, nine and a half, game one, saying they about to get their ass blown off because everybody gonna put their money on. It's better than nine.

I was like, you steal money. It's better than nine. It could be nine whatever. It could be nine dollars, night it could be nine whatever it would be nine dollars nine hundred nine thousand $90 nine but now let's shift over to the Thunder side obviously the heavy favorite Beth and nine if you want, okay, see team now has 80 wins combined a regular season and playoffs OKC team now has 80 wins combined a regular season in playoffs. So only 2015-16 Warriors who had 85, the 1995-96 Bulls who had 83, and the 1996-97 Bulls who had 80, had at least 80 wins entering the NBA Finals in league history. Obviously both those Bull squads won the chip, while the Warriors squad did not.

OKC is the seventh team with a win percentage of 829 or higher in league history for the first six teams to do so went on to win a chip in that same season. Thunder also finished a regular season with the highest point differential in league history at an average of nearly plus 13 points per game. And they set the NBA record for most postseason wins by 30 or more points doing so in four games so far this playoff. So you look at all these information, all stats all these numbers if the Thunder win this chip Should they be considered as one of the greatest teams of all time?

I mean, I guess anybody who wins, you know That many games and win a championship is usually considered one of the greatest They don't got the names. greatest. They don't got the names. They don't got the names. No, I'm just sitting here considering just as a team. Yeah, as a team, yeah. Just looking at me, if you just look at the- You know about those matches, then I was-

That's what I'm saying. That was crazy to me. You look at this Thunder Squad, and I think us looking at them in real time right now, man, I feel that way. The way they've run through the NBA this year, where they went through the postseason, minus that seven game series with the Nuggets, which they obviously did win. You got to put them up there. I mean, it's just what they're going to be one of those teams where when you try to compare

them to somebody just off of who's on a team, you're going to always go with the other team. You're going to always go. But in things like that, 2001 Lakers, they're just going to say Lakers. Nobody even, nobody even trying to think about it I mean, what is another team that one that's like that? That you would think but that had like that type of success. No Like they got well shades becoming like you can say you can have an MVP. You can say to Spurs you can say Tim Duncan Spurs yet Tim Duncan and then you had a you had

Janobli and Manu Niem like you can say that team is built Like you got one guy you got some great role players who is good enough to make an all-star here and there depending on our team Record and I mean, yeah, you gotta become To play him right now is tough, huh? depending on our team record. I mean, yeah. He got to become a youth. To put him at team right now is tough. Huh? Young Timmy. Like, Timmy, yeah.

What about? MVP Timmy. I mean, shit, he's MVP too, so shit. Who was the main guy on Detroit? Chuncey? Yeah, that's a different team. That's what I'm saying. No, because...

You know what the seven with that squad? What? That Piston squad? Yeah, because for the most part, most of those guys elsewhere were number one options, got put on all on the same team to then say, all right, we're such great basketball players, we know how to adjust and then play great team basketball. Right? You know, I mean, Rashid Wallace was a number one player before. For sure. You know, Rip was a number one player, right? Ben Wallace on the defensive end, right? And Chauncey is, you know, if he got to be the number

one or the two to three, he figures out how to make it all work. So it was a great balance of a team. Man, the motherfuckers got lucky Because they had a machine not a motherfucker made a shot in half court cuz we didn't file Oh That's game seven For y'all got that let me see that what chance to make a shot in half court to go in overtime. Yeah Nigga, I don't remember damn Yes, although I know you remember that although they're talking cash shit. I filed out. You said I filed out over there talking cash shit.

Talking cash shit, nigga. Oh, we had this lesson, bro. That bitch went in, I'm like, oh shit. I gotta go to overtime without me. Damn. No, but they had a good team. That's tough. I was like, oh, you're going to overtime?

Yeah. Oh, yeah? Yeah, nigga. I don't remember. Damn. Yes, I was over, oh shit, I gotta go to overtime without me. Yeah. No, but they had a good team. That's tough. Was that game five?

Yeah, they got three over times. That's wild. Wait, three overtime? That's a good ass game. I've never seen that. That's a good ass game. What, three overtime? Three overtime.

So we may not look at this Thunder Squad as an elite and one of the greatest all times, but again, like the numbers are reflecting. But from a year to year comparison, team to team, obviously, every NBA champion different. The Warriors without KD. With Jordan Poole in them. What, a 2022? I think, I'm not sure.

21, that one. Yeah, Hurt Clay, yeah, that was, yeah, that was. 2022 Yeah, hurt clay yeah, yeah, I was yeah, I was so we asked the chat does a title make okay see an all-time team 58% of the chat says no, maybe it's the fashion they do it I told you just just the names of it right now. Yeah. Yeah They run it back if they run it back They come back during the regular season next year and win 68 games again It's at least six to some games again And it looks the same way dominant and they come back and run through the player then you can start having these conversations But let's let them get it. Let's let them get a championship first for sure

Yeah, let them get their champion or we could because we all know that's 73 win Yeah, Warriors team was a fucking great basketball team. Now, okay, now rewind them back to their first. Yeah. You know what I mean? Rewind them back to that first championship. In 2015. Nobody was thinking that, oh, this is a great team.

Yeah, this is the dynasty, right? Yeah, a little. They got lucky. Yeah, they got lucky. But we talking about. It's been basically forever, about fucking time. Curry man, I mean, shit, you know, Kyrie was gone. Love was gone. Y'all pulled one out.

Yeah. Right. And then, you know, LeBron won the next year. And then they super teamed up. And so when, you know, two others. And is that does that opinion change at all? Let's just say hypothetically, they were playing a healthy Celtic squad or a team that people have more respect for than this Pacers team Even the Knicks it feels like like they're kind of just Looking over over looking Indiana and yeah, they were playing somebody different in it'll be a different company

I would say it'll be a different company. I would say Cavs, but I feel like even that Cavs count as people who think it's too good. Boston, for just, if you a Hooper, that's the matchup. You got young dudes trying to fight for the face. You got two of them fighting for the face. We want to be the face.

And then you got two second options that's like, nah, I'm him. You know what I mean? So it kind of, that would have been just basketball. Like sometimes man, the game itself sometimes cheats us from history. And what I mean history is when you talk about Bird, Magic, you know, Jordan, who, those games man

of the second best player and the first best player, we want those in our game. Like the fact that we didn't see Kobe and LeBron face off in a championship, you know what I mean? Is just one of those things like, fuck! Tim Duncan versus, you know, KG, damn! Those are the things that like them battles. Like we got a little bit with KD and Bron, but you know, we knew Braun was a little over

match. Wish they would have added just one more person with him so it can be. We knew it was going to be damn near 4-1s. You were there for the 51A and A game. JR Smith. I mean, I see BMX was a BMF. I see y'all doing a lot of throwing your ads in our shit a lot of BMF promos I see y'all doing okay

Cut the check not no They are I guess they're dropping tomorrow right something like that new season new season Hey, I appreciate the chat very aware of that according to their comments throughout these past Few episodes, but SGA has the potential to join him in our chat with you shit Chad very aware of that according to their comments throughout these past few episodes. But SGA has the potential to join. I'm slamming on Chad with this shit. Damn, yeah.

Now you're the commercial, all commercials. All commercials help, goddamn it, shit. So SGA has the potential to join Magic Johnson as the only point guard league history to win MVP finals, MVP, and chip in the same season. SGA only 26 year old, obviously has a long career ahead of him. Already made history by joining MJ as the only guards ever to average 30 points

per game while shooting 50% or better from the field in three straight seasons. So my question for you all is what would winning an MVP finals MVP and chip in the same season mean for SGA standing amongst the greatest point guards in league history? This ain't no point guard award. Do you know any people who won what he's about to win. Who's done what he's done. MVP, all that, who?

How many people? I think, so just Magic from Point Guards? I think 11, is it 11 total? We are witnessing who the NBA has chosen as the face of the NBA. Are you ready to say that SGA is going to be the face of the NBA again? No, that's what the NBA has told. He is a North American. This is the face of the NBA moving forward.

And not letting Canadians around. Anytime is a sweep. You remember I said this last year, I said if the NBA chose Tatum, if the NBA was like, yo, Tatum is gonna be our guy, they would have gave him, with his stats, Eastern Conference Finals MVP and the Finals MVP.

Nobody would have said anything, but the fact that you didn't give it to him. Then you went into the summer, and you destroyed his image at USA. Kind of the writing was on the wall. Like, all right, yo, so he's, that's not who y'all, that's not who y'all fucking with.

And the fact that this is scoring champ, right? Scoring champ. Scoring champ. MVP. MVP. Western Conference Finals. MVP. And potential.

Potential. To have a finals MVP in the chip as well. Puts you in a different world. And usually that world is the face. With the shoe dropping this fall, it seems like the stars are aligning for SGA. There's the face. Guard, swag, charisma, the look, married,

he checks all the boxes. And he's gotten all the accolades. No tattoos, no tattoos, clean cut. Braids. What's so funny? Viewers. Huh? Viewers.

Do people want to watch this shit? They will. It didn't matter if LeBron was on Cleveland, it was hype to see him. Are you excited to see this? Excited to see him? No, I don't just say him, just excited to see this in the finals.

Listen, when we're talking about the face, when we're talking about the face of the NBA, when Magic won that finals MVP over Kareem. The face also brings viewers. The face brings the views too. When Magic won that finals MVP, face. Why the MVP was sitting right there He knew but they also bring the views to Know this is the but I'm saying this is the start of face. What's up?

I mean, this is the story in it, right? This is the start of it. Watch how many national televised games? They have next year. This is the start of it And if the league is smart in Oklahoma City they'll put those OKC games against the Lakers the Celtics the Knicks I'm just saying you know I mean that's what I'm thinking so so now they start feeding those markets the Oklahoma City Thunder right and he's the only one that swept it like this because they added the Western and Eastern Conference Finals. And maybe I'm tripping, but I feel like the KD Russ Harden era

was exciting. What? And that's no not for this team. They didn't need the Lakers. Like, KD, you know, that's what I'm saying. But remember, you're adding two other people. KD won the MVP, and then it started. No, no, no, no.

KD was KD before the MVP's. So you just think they're just gonna let a random person win all these awards? Yes. Okay. He deserves it. He deserves it. He's ballin'. I'm not saying he's not ballin'. He's ballin'. He's done did something no one's ever done. Because he's ballin'. He's ballin'. I get it. Scoring titles. All that equals to people paying attention. When you try to put somebody in front of him, they are not going to stand nothing. They're not going to have no accolade.

This is all fine, Danny, from a basketball point of view. Can you read off? can you read off? It's viewers too. The finals MVP stats at the 81 championship. That's magic. Magic is still magic. No, no, no, before magic became magic. Magic always been magic.

Can you read off Kareem's stats? Are you a Kareem? Can you read Kareem's stats? Magic always been magic. That's what we're saying read off Kareem stats? Are you want to read Kareem? Can you read Kareem stats? Magic always be magic. That's what we cream stats the MVP on that the MVP Read the finals MVP who should have been in the stats Kareem in the 1980 NBA finals 33 points 14 rebounds five blocks per game in five games that he played 33 points 14 rebounds five blocks per game in five games that he played And they said you know what the one with the smile the one here to look at this

You are the finest MVP you are the face of the end of the people magic That's the game you wouldn't play to five yep play five game magic play six games Average 22 11 rebounds nine this is a one a game without 11 rebounds 9 assists. He won a game without a clean. When the MVP starts giving you the awards that tops the face like this is the face You have a scoring title right you have Besides your record number one You got the Western Conference final which wasn't a part of old NBA Right, that's good. I'm saying is then MVP and a champ

He's the only person that's gonna be in history with this night his talent or his no cuz Face come with other shit. It ain't just a war. No, no, no No, you don't got this about the viewers the the anybody you're gonna try to put in this realm It's too dirty It's too dirty. He's the cleanest face that we have right now. Well, Jason Taylor still fits it Yeah, but he's playing next year. Oh, that's who Jason Taylor. Yeah, there's a fit. He still fits that what that's it's only a couple guys that has that charisma, the smile, the personality, the clean slate

in that manner. It's only a few guys that fit that. Now imagine last year. Now what if Jason would have won the Eastern Conference Finals MVP? Which he should have. Yeah, which he should have. And the Finals MVP, which he should have. And then he would have had that name going to the Olympic as a starter like he was the

year before with the same people on the court winning a gold medal. That's a different View of him. Do you think if he has all that hardware going into the Olympics? He doesn't get treated like a scrub Okay, absolutely. So the Steve Kerr basically able to use that me like he wasn't even the final It seemed like this was a planned out of it I know it can't be. You're not putting out. It's born.

OKC is born. What, the city? OKC was born. This team, this whole finals is born. OK, cool. If it was a face like, if you had the face, everybody would be tuned in and happy to watch this shit. All right.

I mean, KD, it didn't matter. People was happy to watch it. I'm saying he's going to be moving forward. It doesn't matter people was happy to watch him saying he's gonna be you know But I'm still so that's next year in the year after not right now The face is after you get all the lawyers you have to put him against people niggas want to see Are you not listening to what I'm saying? No right now? No, he's not. I'm not he's not He's winning all these wards to be the face moving forward so that's the next year in the next year Okay moving forward

That is what the face is and I'm kind of saying it's not exciting What's not today? We don't know what the face we don't know what it is He is the one that's getting the tag So next year in a year after in the shoe drops and all of this is What is coming for him, but I got that's what I'm saying, but this way is one Why do we feel like why do you feel like the Thunder aren't excited talking about top defense of the league top three offense in the league? Mac and teams they are postgame interviews everybody ballin with it. They are They just aren't it's for some the Dorch or chamber

What year what year Do you remember from Seth when we was like, oh he is the face. He's competing with LeBron Was it the first year he won the championship? And then was it the first year he won the MVP or was it that next year? It was that night in this one. Yeah that next year where we was like, oh shit this nigga God That team got He was but that first point deficit that thing would be You know, it's like three minutes for them to know but the first year was all James Harden that all the all the players voted James Harden

Should have won that MVP. So everybody was still questioning, but it's like, all right, then he came out the very next year. It was like, oh shit, that's him, right? This is his stuff year. That first year, this is it. Next year is when we're gonna be like, they're gonna be pushing this dude like crazy. It was still exciting.

He was doing exciting shit. The shot stuff is shooting, and the shots he's shooting are totally different. All right, this summer, when is the shoe drop? This fall. Size 14. Man. You're going to see that SGA train.

They wearing Converse. And I mean, they started the frame every this year, obviously, putting the logo over the garden. They frame it. They frame it. They put it on a building. I'm a Whelm.

Very exquisite, all-star weekend party. But it's- Caribbean food. It's Converse. I'm a Whelm. I'm not talking about shoes. They don't- Who's this competition? Who you gonna put? So- That the NBA can trust with their product,

with their brand. My question to y'all is, so do you feel like the Thunder Planet is an exciting brand of basketball? Because I would make the argument that they do it. They check the boxes for what you want to see. Yeah, how about they can trust Tim Duncan. You want 68 fucking games.

Shit. You know what I mean? But, man, it's the first year. Like it's the first year. But second straight year finishes. No, what's the first year this is the first year of people really looking at my all right and then we're gonna see we're gonna tune in more next year because they're gonna be on more because they're gonna be on more TV so we're gonna watch it more Spurs is on more TV when Michael

Jordan won that first championship nobody really cared that everybody was thinking about Magic Johnson at all and they're like oh shit they won a first one you you follow the train then next year Only the city themselves believe in your team that year. Tim Duncan won five championships, four or five championships Five championships and we had Kobe Bryant Same we had Kobe Bryant. I'm just saying. We had Kobe Bryant. Who the fuck do we have? You keep arguing about it when who is next who's in front of him when LeBron leaves and Kirby leaves who's next? Who you who is your face?

Okay, all right there we go There we go, and I'm a deetus who ain't No, okay Dope dog food. He want to take him and take him and come back. When he come back. So who? I got a question.

So what's the bigger market, Minnesota or Oklahoma City? Who's the bigger market person? Who's the bigger market? Who's the bigger market person? Who's going to get called out? Who the fuck we just called out? Who's going to get called out in the media? Ant-Man or Shea? Man, that's what Tim Duthnick called out. we're gonna get called out in the media and man and that's what she

And that's Tim. That's what I thought. Of course. He did exactly. He was in the face. You keep you keep saying Niggas more than KG on TV more than him About Tim Duncan. Yeah. All right Fucking nice Not doing the right thing that don't mean you to fucking face. It's who the people want to see. That makes you to fake. You know what people don't want to see him. No, that ain't what that, no, that ain't what means.

It's a billion dollar business, dog. You think they finna have the risk of Anthony Edwards telling somebody on camera or what, to suck my dick bigger than yours? Do you think they gonna take that chance? Yep. Huh? No, you on think they gonna take that chance? Yep. Huh? Yep.

No, you on dope or dog food for thinking that? And you ain't on dog food. You smoking? You ain't on dog, motherfucker. Rough greens, dog. Delicious greens. I'm gonna put that rough greens right in front of y'all. Sprinkle it.

You ain't the dog food, man. I ain't check that. I'm gonna sprinkle a little something on that rough greens for y'all. Not so say rephrasing, Ken, you take the food out. Take the dog food out. You want the dope? Yeah. Shake the dog food out you want to dope. Yeah Shake the rough greens

Okay, you gotta shake it up. You didn't be gonna wake up to have what was going on with Zion Just a random suspicious is out of nowhere cuz that's what's happening Still Jason Tatum and she's Tatum now she done jumped into it. Yes Jason Tatum, now Shadon jump into it. Yes. Man. Shit, fuck, Kade. If your mother start smiling a little bit. Yeah, he gotta smile.

You gotta start smiling a little bit. You definitely gotta give some people some. Hey, hey. Your hair too big. Your hair too big. But Jerry, you kidding me? Go get him some, yo, get him some veneers and motherfuckers start cheesing out this bitch. You say, listen, he come back with a new smile.

You're going to be like, aw, I know what you're trying to do. I'm with you, bro. Cut that hair down a little bit, hey. Him and Bronson got the same head. They can't even make a head. Put a headband on. You good? Face, too much face.

It can't be the face with too much face. Let's keep this thing moving. So with the Celtics getting eliminated in the conference semis, this marks the sixth straight year. The reigning champion was not among the last four playoff teams, which is a long streak in the NBA. It'll also be the seventh straight season that a new team will be NBA champion, which has never

happened in the league's history. Whereas the last team to repeat its champs, doing so swagger you on that 2018 team, 2017 to 2018. We also saw all four top seeds in the conference semis lose their first home game for the first time in league history. So what does all this say about the parity in the league right now?

And is that a good thing? Uncertainty. Yeah, it's an even playing field, man. There's no great teams. There's no dynasties yet. There's no clear, everyies yet. There's no... Every year it's, like I said, so... When we had this conversation, like, it's...

So we pick teams every year who we think can win it. And not while doing that, not one time have we said, well, this team is better than them, so we gonna go with this one. It's always, ah, what percentage you give this team? And it's not ever going to be a high percentage. Sometimes that team might get 0%. Yeah.

According to some. We had Boston repeat it. You know. At least get them. Yeah. Putting themselves in the position to win. But you can't. They were the clear, starting off the year, bringing everybody back, they were the clear

favorite. Right? OKC win it. Depending if something happens, Jurassic, where Giannis ends up. Starting off the year bringing everybody back. They were the clear favorite. All right, okay see when it Depending if something happened to dress it where Yanis ends up depending on where he ends up at right? He ends up on a team. That's contender and that contender didn't lose Their main pieces then wherever he lands is gonna be favorite other than that You know, okay, so you'd be favorite next year because they're gonna have the structure of everybody back Okay, so it'd be favorite next year because they're gonna have the structure of everybody back

It's hard to build a dynasty today because the people who are Picking players aren't NBA brains They're paper pushers. They're businessmen that are just looking at numbers. Yeah, and They don't have no idea about basketball, so everything is just numbers. They look in that chat. Who would match with this team? Who should I trade?

Who's the worst player on my team that need to trade? Right? That's a good one. Kevin Durant. You know what I mean? So because there are not a lot of basketball people still in the league, the executives and the ones that are in the league, they don't have the voices. Right?

Where, you know, in Philly you got Elton Brand, but you got Maury in front of him. Oh, okay. All right. Right? You know what I mean? There's, you know, so there's these these there's entities where their metrics is paper metrics there's not basketball metrics, so You can see why okay see successful. He know what he doing because

The people that he's going up against is stupid and he been up for 18 years been for 18 years So he's old basketball. So he's not not they're not recycling the GM because he's had successful track record he said you want Paul George who you want hey you want Shay nah you can have him okay uh can I get like nine picks with it I'm giving you Paul George sure so she get your ass over here before they figure out what I just did. You know what I mean? That's what's going on right now. So, you know, Rudy Goldberg, you know,

coming to Minnesota for 400 picks. You know what I mean? This shit eventually that's gonna pan out over there if they just got somebody smart. So, if there's to be a dynasty, it's going to be in a few markets that got old GMs, old basketball thinking minds, and they haven't went to the businessman motto.

And do you feel like the Thunder have the best chance out of all those teams to be that next dynasty in the league? Next? I mean, you still got Boston, you're still going to have... Staying healthy too. You're still going to have... But the way that the situation is shaping up, and obviously they're going to have to pay some of these guys down the road and that's going to present some issues in itself, especially

with this new CBA, second apron, all these things that punish big-tenders. Okay, listen, I get that now you're gonna have to Figure out the English language and how to translate it. What does Invest in in the team. What is that? Cuz I that's a loophole cuz you can invest as a player into the franchise now, right and it's new CBA Yeah, there's some there. Yeah there's something about it. But with this new second April structure in terms of being able to build a team around that like they were able to do that and find loopholes and find ways around it obviously they could pay as much as they want in luxury tech. But you see the sons that tried to do

that and obviously took a massive L doing it. But you see, the sons that tried to do that, and obviously took a massive L doing itself, they're on the precipice of having to do that as well. We have to make some tough decisions. Thunder have a little bit of wiggle room, I believe, like next season, season after that. They got two seasons, right, before it all really kicks in. Yeah.

Oh, well, get the best out of it. Time to break the bank. How much are we going to luxury tax? I want to know what that, you got to break down what that that because that's a part of the CBA right you can get some out of three something to invest in a team I mean, you know the way these franchises going up, you know You know once you already hit your first max

You know, you can be a partner you like investing in the company. Yeah You can either give me cash Or you can give me a equity give me equity give me stocks in give me cash or you can give me equity. Give me stocks and give me equity within the company. So we're going to see obviously in years past. I've heard the stories about some of the under table movements under the table movements to get players to quote unquote take less bread. As I'm going to tell you right now.

I'm going to tell you right now if I'm Lakers, I'm Braun or Luca, right? Braun, you don't need the money, right? How much three years to owe you how much? Three hundred? Three hundred? You owe shit what? One ninety something? Invest it all into the, into the Lakers organization. You know at some point it's gonna be worth,

you know damn they're double from now. And his number's off the books. Luca, what you talking about? So you talking about now or you talking about later? Cause you know later this month, I'm LA. some point in life. This bitch gonna be worth whatever Right 20 billion is is it's gonna be worth something and this is what your money will look like then I don't know if you can do that. This is gonna be a way different landscape. I Know they mentioned it so I don't know I'm reading it so uh, it works. I don't know how it works.

I'm reading it so I don't know if it's 100% accurate but uh, ability for NBA players to invest in NBA and WNBA teams however players can only own a minority share not exceeding 5%. So all it comes to is calculations? To an NBA approved investment fund. Yeah, all it comes to is calculations but you know the fact that you can take some of your money off your books and put it into a business all I see is Boston, LA, New York Knicks changing the game on Clippers and Clippers. That's kind of my whole thing this new CBS seems like it was a lot of push from the small markets to level the playing field,

punish the quote unquote big spenders, but big bank usually runs this thing, right? So that's what I'm saying. We're going to see at some point, like the NBA is essentially getting what they want with these two small market teams playing in the finals. Right? But like we're saying viewership standpoint, it's not going to kill you one season, two seasons to do this,

but as you look ahead to even that next TV deal down the road, you can't have seven, eight straight finals of small market teams without the numbers not knowing what they doing. At the end of the day, man, if you the plug, there's only so much product you can give to a motherfucker in Ohio, okay? And I need my New York, I need my LA plug,

you know what I mean? You talking about you need 50 you need video Every year you just fire They go here take these five man and get on out my business Man that product going to the big market no matter how you try to trick the system No matter how you try to get a little bit because I can tell you right now Who's you off with the hey, huh. Who is you off with the ace? Who is you off with the ace?

This is that one, this is that one. This is that one. Who is you off with the ace? Hey man, the biggest drug dealers came with. What city? Ha ha ha. Big drive out here. What city's there?

Big drive out here in these streets. I can tell you where the motherfucking Montana I can tell you that damn show Mm-hmm, New York Yeah, Miami Uh-huh Kingpins Other that is local ass drugs in a sport Do it take these local ass pounds and shut the fuck up These local ass pounds and shit the fuck up.

I don't want to hear, listen, moving forward, I don't want to hear shit from Indiana in the next 10 years. No, okay, see, in the next 10 years, we done did what we needed to do for y'all. Thinking about it from the play-in to this. What was the play-in game? Milwaukee and, hmm? Who was in the play-in game? They don't even remember.

That's what I'm saying. Was it Milwaukee and? No, Milwaukee was the five seed. Indiana was the four. No, I'm talking about the playing. I'm talking about the end season tournament. End season tournament. Who was in the end season tournament?

I just remember the Lakers winning. I know it was Minnesota. I mean, Bucks and Who. I remember the Lakers winning. Come on, Shad, I know one of y'all. Sorry, yeah, teams is out of the market. I remember when the Lakers won. It was Bucks and Who in the end season.

Just remember the first one. Okay, see? I remember the first one. I remember the first one. I remember the first one. I remember the first one. I remember the first one. I remember the first one. I remember the first one. and who in the in season just remember the first one okay see mm-hmm so for comparison standpoint okay see the

20 23 24 in season tournament was the Lakers won first and hardest in the history of the league have 4.58 million viewers this past season Thunderbuck's 2.99. They was playing Indiana. Which is crazy because those two teams. Look you remember when they played and who they played. The last two, yeah. I mean, listen, it's not like, okay, it's not like, it is the market because you got to think about

where people gravitate, right? When you are in New York, Knicks, New York Yankees, right? Those people are moving to different states, you know, changing lives. So their fan base is coming to the games, right? Dallas Cowboys, right? They're they're sprinkled everywhere in this world I don't know matter where they go. They don't have a fan base Okay, see fans lives in okay scene. Yeah You know what I mean, so if they don't try they ain't traveling far

Right. So when these two games is going on majority of people that's watching it that states Right? So when these two games is going on, majority of people that's watching it, that's states. Yeah. If the Knicks was on, people in LA watch it, everybody around the world is watching because their fans is around the world. And that's all it is. You know, it ain't really got nothing to do with... And it's family traditions. Like, Oklahoma City ain't been around long enough to have family traditions. And you grew up in a household where your dad, his dad was a Lakers fan, and you're gonna be a Lakers fan or a Cowboys fan or Yankees fan or Nicks fan. It's just generational shit. Dodgers, Red Sox, Red, just teams that's been around.

Green Bay Packers, you think just Chicago Bears, like you just been around. You're a Bears fan, right? Yeah. So, by point exactly. His inheritance. Yeah, I did for my dad. I dare you cheer for the Green Bay Packers for leaving his household. Man.

Right? So it's like that, right? Just you around, so you inherit these things. They ain't been around long enough to inherit that. So I was looking at Yankees Dodgers World Series last year. It was up 67% from the 2023 World Series. Also set records in Japan, obviously, Shohei and Eltoni bringing the viewership in. But they put that bitch in.

They need a little bit more excitement to it over there. They showed the game well, but Japan, obviously, with Shohei. Like, don't you think they need just a little more excitement? Like, get somebody that's going to fly. Because Sonics, when Sonics played, the Bulls, that was as that was a good the Bulls but I'm just saying Gary Payton in Waffle Corner with Sean Kim was a the Rain Man I used to like the Sonic's then you get KD no I mean it's and Russ going down the lane flying on somebody I think it just, it needs some. I mean the NBA is, it seems wide open but it's, it seems more

controlled than we think it is when it comes to movement. Like, Luca coming to LA was a big move. Yannis is gonna be moving somewhere at some point. That's going to be a big move. So it's going to get back to the... It feels like this summer is going to be... Because the exciting players are in kind of the markets. I mean, you know, you know, Jamoran, like we know the names, like we know the people that if the NBA put them in big markets or they got traded to these markets, the viewership goes up because now more people are watching them because those team got bigger fan bases. Right? So if you know, I know Brunson's over there, but if John

Moran went to New York, Ant-Man went to New York, it's a different thing. They love Brunson because Brunson's Brunson. But now you got a dude that his game matches viewership. That's a different beast. So the beauty about this is that Oklahoma City and Indiana, they stayed in Moneys seat a certain amount of people. Everybody gotta watch at home yeah so right so they better hold a campaign to everybody I need your phone and your tablet on TV on go right and all three devices playing the game at fucking once, right? Hey, need all that viewership.

I said turn that guy on your TV on. Yes. Hold up. So yeah, so that's what they gonna need in order to get the viewership what they need because of the markets, unfortunately, but it's good for the sport, man. Yeah, it is, it is, it is.

Small dust is, as you said, good, if it was compared to the dub game, you can't keep moving in these small It's gonna help you make consistent. Yeah, but keeps you happy man But you need them big markets in order to place where you can send a megaton. Yeah Listen field house If there's a game six and everybody,

there'd be more people outside than inside the arena because they can only fit so much. Yeah. Shit. All right, you just said one. No, I'm saying they can only fit so much. Like, they got the smallest arena in NBA. Not too small markets.

Like, that's tough though. Like, OKC playing Boston, cool. Minnesota playing New York with the Minnesota. It's good, new champion, playing New York. It's good new champion man. Yeah, it's good Did not know United Center in the biggest arena in the league Chicago The Hawks actually have the smallest on it stay farm arena my capacity. What is it at? It's 16 16 6 25th they got 17 9. Oh, yeah. No, they're far Marina my capacity. What is it at? It's 1616 25th they got 17 nine. Oh, yeah. No, they have Pay folks are 16 16 16 club place. Why does the be honest you wouldn't know it cuz it looked big cuz it's empty all the time. Yes

Go to the game less LeBron in that motherfucking truck. Unless LeBron and Steph or KD and that bitch niggas ain't going to the game. At the strip club, even watching it. Alright, well let's move on to mostly hands. Who plays? Presented by our good friends over at Underdog. Download the Underdog app, use promo code, you'll get up to $1,000 of bonus cash plus a special pick-up. So our first question from Underdog user, NIA02.

NIA02, perhaps. Is this finals more of a coaching matchup or a player matchup? It's outmatched up. It's outmatched up. It's my final answer. Yeah, you know you've done this. That was a good one.

You know, it blow up in your face. I feel you talking. Yeah. OK. It don't blow up in my face, man. I know how to switch teams, man. But you're slow sometimes. I know how to switch teams, bro.

I don't know why we even going through this. Y'all just see me last year. I switch teams. You can't hear me. Nah, it still blew up. You see how I switch teams, man. I don't care. I'm here.

I don't care. My team out. I'm here Here, okay my team out. I know how to pivot quick. Yes fair more coaching or player Rick our little bit of this I'm a guy a little bit of I'm gonna go with coach I'm gonna go with coach because he has to get his team prepared more cuz they don't like I'm the only thing that helps here the coach coach because he's been there if he wins it if they win the championship Pacers oh wow all coaching Wow that's all coaching that means he did a hell of a job putting up a game plan to get them ready for them yeah so what he been doing so don't go home see that good team though one thing about him so the both They're gonna see they're a good team though.

One thing about them, so the both of these teams consistently, they didn't deviate from the way they played. Yeah, I'm about to say, yeah. They played 10, 11 guys during the regular season, 12 guys in the regular season. They played the exact same amount of players in the playoffs. So.

That's why I say it's a little bit of both. So therefore I think the players are what it is and I think the coaches are gonna make the difference I think man. Like I said because it's a quarter to quarter adjustment it's a half to half a game to game. So who's making the better adjustment the faster adjustments who's gonna? Gil went on tv TV said Nixon five is lying, bro. He knows Pacers winning. You did 37 lies. I know.

I know what the fuck I said. I pivoted. So soon as soon as New York lost the second game, nigga, I pivoted. Okay, that's right. I jumped off shit. My fucking shit. You see me with the Pacer shit, huh? You see me shit, motherfucker shit. You ain't see me with the pace or shit? You ain't see me with the Siakam?

That means I changed teams. Damn, you wore a Siakam jersey. And you talked about Africa a lot. I don't care. My team is the Lakers. We're not in it. I'm allowed to do whatever I want to do. No, no, you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not. I'm not stuck to a team. That's yours. When I put a new jersey on, that're not in it. I'm allowed to do whatever I want to do. No, no, you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not. No, you're not. I'm not stuck to a team.

That's your own stuff. So when I put a new jersey on, that's a new team. So we asked the chat more important the finals, coaching matchup or player matchup. Chat gave a slight edge to the coaching, saying 53% picked the coaching matchup over the finals. I do see that, too. But, oh, it's almost here.

I'm about to say a little bit of, oh. We got the finals coming tomorrow. Yeah, because finals coming tomorrow. Yeah because we're here now. Oh nothing else that us players can we gotta go out and hoop. We gotta go out there. We gotta go we gotta go out like there's no fucking if and or buts anywhere around. That's why I was kind of waiting because I know Shay always step up to the plate and stepping up. So final starts tomorrow. As a reminder if you don't watch on every piece of device that you have you are not a real hoop fan TV computer phone

In my head of cities No, but that's they're saying if you don't watch it, okay You're not a real you were a cat saying but in these respective cities They got a watch on every every device in New York ain't watching If you don't watch it like that, you know what the New York Yankees and the Mets is playing right now It's a fucked up time. We have Mets Dodgers coming right? Because the Indianapolis, I don't know what are they on right now Time wise they don't change. Oh, yeah, they don't spring full fall back none of that shit

So then you got central time and motherfuckers are here don't get me in as Easter right now yeah unless it's the weekend five niggas still have work. Five niggas that work. Oklahoma City Central. Central I know that but it's just like Indiana don't change so when they fall back they gonna be on oh that yeah and by the time niggas get showered and ready to watch the game at 8 o o'clock that bitch off. For real. So Cincinnati changes. So Indiana like part of the state is eastern part of central. And you drive Indianapolis and you would lose an hour. Damn that's crazy. Get it together. Let's get it all at the same time. But excited for these finals and exquisite matchup between two small market juggernauts

in the Thunder and Pacers. Appreciate everybody in the chat for rocking with us. Appreciate everybody on this couch as well. This has been another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog. We will see y'all tomorrow.