Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Breaks Down The Celtics & Mavs Game 5 Wins

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Starting point is 00:02:21 Brandon Jennings back on the couch out on the field. Woo-hoo! Out on the field last night at Game 5 of Clippers Maths. Doing what you do. Saw the Kyrie jersey. Yeah, yeah. Wait, he was there?

Starting point is 00:02:32 Yeah. He was reporting. That was on my son. Took my son for his birthday. Makes sense. Kyrie, shout out Kingston. My son. Makes sense.

Starting point is 00:02:41 Turning 12. What? Shout out to Kingston. What's the issue give? Every game he showed up to everybody they lose but oh and to who you who lost Clippers I wasn't good Whatever home team you show up Right now I guarantee they take guarantee they were

Starting point is 00:03:05 They went into sick winning in six. And in six? Oh, yeah. And we got the dream killer, Rashad McCants, back here with us. Rashad, you had the internet in their feelings the past few days. What you got on the day? As you tend to do. What you got on the day?

Starting point is 00:03:19 Not yet. Not yet, not yet, not yet. No way for the big reveal. Not yet, not yet, not yet. Okay, spoiler alert. I like how he walk in. You chill and say what's up to everybody. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet.

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Starting point is 00:03:29 Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Not yet. What are you waiting for? Well, we were ready for the big t-shirt reveal, but in the meantime, here's what's cracking in the arena today.

Starting point is 00:03:47 Luka battled an illness in knee sprain to give the Mavs a 3-2 lead, but did the Clippers pay their last game in the arena formerly known as Staples Center? The Celtics made light work of the heat for the gentlemen's suite, but are they tough enough to raise a banner? Jason Tatum thinks so. And the Nuggets-Wolves series tips off this weekend, but do Ant-Man and Minnesota have enough to dethrone the defending champs? But before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy.

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Starting point is 00:04:35 We got a call from Underdog. They said that. Wow. Said you bad for business. I had a good one, too. What's your pick? Siakam, five points first quarter. You think he's going to have more than five points? He's a good one, too. What's your pick? See, I come five points first quarter. You think you're going to have more than five points?

Starting point is 00:04:46 He's old. Okay. He's old? I mean, to be honest, it was just the first one I seen. It's the first one on the list. Ooh, that's a good one. I did that for James yesterday. Three.

Starting point is 00:04:58 Ended up with seven. Okay. For the whole game. I went six points for the first quarter. He had seven for the whole game. It was an unfortunate evening for PG and Harden. We're going to get to it later in the show. But as always, we do Mostly Fans at the end of every episode of Gil's Arena.

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Starting point is 00:05:33 starting promptly-ish at 1130 a.m. Pacific, 230 a.m. p.m. Eastern. We got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts from. So we talked about big elimination games tonight. One of those is Nick Sixers' Game 6, the Wells Fargo Center in Philadelphia. Crucial Game 6, trying to force a Game 7 and beating his crew, trying to extend their season, avoid elimination. But NBA released the referee assignments for the game. He's there, huh? He's there. The ext will be making an appearance Tony brothers. No, it's got

Starting point is 00:06:11 Foster bill Kennedy and Mark Lindsay will be officiating the game He'll kill bill mark real mark and Scott on one ticket boy This this the big three. That's the big three. It ain't three that's the big three for real we got the extender in the building so who is this bad for New York oh New York yeah if they're trying to extend it this is the extender baby we will see if it happens whoever whoever's uh no no no whoever's uh who's favorite well let me say New York but it's in Philly no no so whoever's favorite? Let me see. I think New York. But it's in Philly. No, no.

Starting point is 00:06:49 So whoever's favorite is going to be the opposite. Yeah. Facts. Facts. Damn. Right now, ooh, Philly's listed as a three-point favorite. I'd say the opposite. They might go ahead and let the Knicks get them on to six. That's who they want to win. Just go ahead and just stompicks I think it'll be one more than six Yeah, they want to win it. Just go ahead and just stop extended out everything

Starting point is 00:07:09 You got two more games if you go you let them win this one. We need that bread Yeah remains we seen tonight, but if you guys had to make your pick for the game who you think is winning Last game game for in Philly Knicks fans took over the arena Michael Rubin and stickers ownership trying to curtail that. They got 2,000 tickets for Sixers fans. Yeah, they took Gil's advice. Gil said that. What?

Starting point is 00:07:32 If I was Philly, I would buy tickets and make sure the Knicks don't come in. That's what they did. Ain't coming in this building. Pass a background check. They got to prove you a Sixers fan to get in the building. I'm going with Philly. Okay, you think Sixers is going to force a game seven? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:47 Brandon, who you got? I can see Philly getting it done tonight. And then, you know. And then it's 50-50. Yeah. Like game seven. Like game seven? Oh, the game seven, yeah.

Starting point is 00:07:58 Game seven in Madison Square Garden, too? Ooh. Yeah, like, yeah. Stars is out. Yeah, the NBA won. It's like in L.A. Yeah. The NBA won. In LA. They're trying to get that bread. Let's keep things moving.

Starting point is 00:08:10 During a recent episode of Shaq's Big Podcast, J.J. Redick pulled up and talked about his feelings about the GOAT debate and MJ's era. I refuse to get into the GOAT debate. I don't care. They didn't play against each other. What makes him great is the fact that he's done it now for 21 years at the highest level. Yeah, LeBron's never averaged 35 in a

Starting point is 00:08:29 year. Guess what? He's averaged 25 or more for 20 straight years. We're nitpicking. A lot of times we're comparing errors. I'll say this with Michael Jordan, and I don't mean this to be controversial. Michael Jordan, during his heyday, six teams were added to the NBA. There were 90 players added to the NBA. Does that not water down? I'm not talking playoffs, by the way. No chance we're talking playoffs. You're not telling me that the league for a little bit is going to be a little watered down? So Brandon, what is your reaction to JJ Redick saying that the league was watered down by expansion during MJ's era? I was five years old.

Starting point is 00:09:08 How the hell would I know? But you're a basketball historian. You're an older man. Now you get to look back. I mean, I just think what MJ did for the game helped it grow. So I don't think anything is watered down. I think anybody from Magic on to Larry to Mike to Kobe Shaq, they all helped elevate the game so i think everybody's done their job so to jj's point from i believe 88 to 95

Starting point is 00:09:31 league added six teams uh hornets and heat i believe 88 89 was magic and timberwolves and then 95 was raptors grizzlies and you have players like Magic and even Rodman, who was a member of the Bulls' second three-peat, saying the league was not up to par back then. But Rashad, saw you rolling your eyes when JJ was talking. What's your reaction to him saying that MJ's era was watered down by expansion? Like his first two sentences, maybe three sentences, was, I'm not going to debate the GOAT debate. Then proceeds to... To the GOAT debate. And proceeds to fucking debate and then uses Jordan's era to catapult LeBron. He didn't mention nobody else but LeBron and Jordan, right?

Starting point is 00:10:20 Which is supposedly the GOAT debate. Earlier in that clip, Shaq basically said, if you're going to're gonna have a go debate then you need to include Kobe right? Yeah Yeah, and then JJ. Yeah, like he didn't play against cold then and then Proceeds to say is watered down Michael Jordan Did what he did for the game, right? So how is the game not watered down now?

Starting point is 00:10:42 You feel like the game is watered down. I'm asking the question How is the game not watered down now? You feel like the game is watered down? I'm asking the question. How is the game not watered down now like it was when Mike was playing? LeBron and JJ on your podcast, please talk about how the game is watered down now. Huh? You was walking to the finals nine straight, ten straight years.

Starting point is 00:11:07 You playing with everybody who at your damn skills camp. You run up and down the court, can't get touched, don't nobody want to run in front of you, can't nobody say nothing to you in the public, because they wouldn't be your friend if the same shit was happening with Mike. I wouldn't wear Michael Jordan's. I wouldn't be in the Space Jam movie. So, to JJ's point, six teams added during that win. I think the league expanded by around 25% during that time.

Starting point is 00:11:31 The league expanded by 25%. Now it's about seven more teams. Ain't got nothing to do with being watered down. How would it look now? The competition is the competition, right? If you consider Michael Jordan dealing with whoever was in front of him and dealing with him accordingly cool You got it if you gonna consider LeBron doing the same cool

Starting point is 00:11:50 But don't say it's watered down for the sake of trying to put LeBron ahead of him That don't make no sense Yeah, he did yeah the bronze number one. Yeah, I don't think you said that yeah, that's what he was insinuating to his crowd I hear saying you waiting. Yeah, that's what he was insinuating to his crowd. Out here sinuating? Yeah, it's insinuation. 21 years at the highest level. So what did he say about Kobe?

Starting point is 00:12:12 Did he say anything about Kobe? Not that particular clip, but prior to that clip, Shaq basically said, if you're going to have a GOAT debate, there's no way that you can't include Kobe in it. But Gil, when you hear J.J. Reddick saying that the NBA was watered down during MJ's era by adding six additional teams and 90 players, what is your reaction to that? I think he's inaccurate on his math. I can see where his math is coming from, you know, six teams, 15 players is 90 players, right? So that's where he's getting it from, not realizing what history was. It wasn't 15 new players. So technically it's not watered down, right?

Starting point is 00:12:56 You have, I mean, before this it was really watered down because they had seven drafts. That's watered down, right? When you can draft a chair, right? You can draft a chair, kind of tellss that's watered down right when you can draft the chair right you can draft the chair kind of tells you it's watered down i think a woman got drafted back then yes and i think uh bruce back when it was when she was bruce brucey boy he was drafted he never even touched basketball bruce jenner now caitlin jenner yeah yeah so back then you know you know the gold medalist when you know that one wheaties box yeah he was drafted in the nba back then, you know, the gold medalist when, you know, that one. Wheaties box, yeah. He was drafted in the NBA back then, so the draft was watered down then. When they expanded the teams, there was only 12-man rosters.

Starting point is 00:13:34 So the 15-man roster that he's saying didn't even exist then. It was 12-man rosters then. Now, a lottery, well, an expansion draft is this. You got two teams, which was Charlotte and Miami, right? Now, everyone protected their top eight. That means your bottom four gets put into the draft. Now, it's not 92 players because they can only pick a possible 12 each. So only 24 can be drafted from expansion.

Starting point is 00:14:06 So you take the bottom teams and then they draft back and forth. We draft. Now, in theory, right, we're only going to go after who? The top teams. Absolutely.

Starting point is 00:14:17 Top four best players. So whoever back then. So Lakers, right? You're talking about Detroit, Chicago, whoever teams was top. We're going to go after those guys first. We're going to pick about eight players each, and then we got free agency, and then we have

Starting point is 00:14:33 the draft. So in theory, you're not watering it down because the players that are being picked are all NBA players. Yep. Right? So, yeah, the talent gets spread, but there's no free agents that's sitting on the market. Like, you know, we're not picking somebody who ain't played in fucking 20 years. Right. Being, you know, we're not putting them on our team.

Starting point is 00:14:56 So you got players like Scott Skiles. Yep. Right? Who's sitting at the end of the bench. He gets sent to Orlando, and then he's most improved player. Man. Right?

Starting point is 00:15:04 So they're NBA players. What it did, and I know people are going to get mad, this helps the top teams. You get the beat on expansion teams. So it didn't help Jordan yet. Facts. It helped Detroit Pistons. They just turned. They wasn't even turned over yet. Yep. Remember, this helped Detroit Pistons. They just turned. They wasn't even turned over yet.

Starting point is 00:15:26 Remember, this is Detroit Pistons' two championships. 89 and 90, yeah. So this is not Michael Jordan's reign yet. This is the Pistons' reign. Right? So what ended up happening with them is you get to shed your worst four. So you protect your eight,

Starting point is 00:15:43 get rid of the eight four, the four, so that means Rick Mah, get rid of the eight four, the four. So that means, you know, Rick Mahorn, which he was a starter. But you're protecting Dennis Rodman instead. So now Rick Mahorn goes. Now you get to go to free agency with four new roster spots. So you have four guys. And then out of the 24 we get or the 16 we get, everybody else goes back to their team.

Starting point is 00:16:05 So it wasn't watered down. He's making it seem like it was. And we're talking about top college players. The top college players coming out of the draft. It ain't like you're getting. No, they get drafted still. No, I'm just saying that as far as talent goes, the talent that's coming into the league that's not watered down are top college players that's played college basketball two plus years. So the talent, as far as coming into the league from college,

Starting point is 00:16:29 is not watered down compared to now, where you got high schoolers, OTEs, like these guys aren't proven. Back then, at least they were proven to be, like you said, NBA players. These are all NBA players that are coming in. It can't be watered down unless you're saying back then when they were doing Bruce and them, and you know, J.J.

Starting point is 00:16:48 saying, you're playing against plumbers. Like, these motherfuckers, these was hoopers. Like, this was in the 90s? In the 90s, yeah. Playing against plumbers. No, he was saying like in the 80s. That's way back. Like, even like 87 draft, 161 players, 55 actually stayed

Starting point is 00:17:04 in the NBA, or they played at least one game. Right? 20 players didn't make it past three years. So, only 35 players out of the 161 was NBA, real NBA players more than three years. Following year

Starting point is 00:17:19 42, 37, 47, 37. Right? So, by 91, 54 players was drafted. Only 37 made it past three years. So the draft was watered down then. But this, if you can, let's say Denver is allowed to shed the bottom four. Thanks.

Starting point is 00:17:41 If they're allowed to shed the bottom four and you take two players, which you probably take, what, DeAndre, Jordan, right, you take him and you might get, what, Reggie. Reggie. Reggie, him and Reggie. Now I can go to free agency with

Starting point is 00:17:56 two, I'm hoping you take that money off my book so I can go back and get two free agents that I wasn't expecting. So it boosted the topper teams. But just from the other side of it, to your point, if it's 12 roster spots, I'm adding six new teams, that's 72 roster spots that didn't previously exist prior to that point.

Starting point is 00:18:15 That means that's 72 players who may be NBA-level talent who wouldn't have had jobs or would have been pushed out of the league that now get an opportunity. But it works both ways because you might get some boo-boo dudes who now get to start, but you also get some dudes who are up and coming now get a better opportunity and get to showcase their skills. Or those guys that were stacked up on those good teams can now spread out. They didn't have the other teams and opportunities to play on other teams,

Starting point is 00:18:40 and now they're like, all right, we're not stacked up on Boston now. We're not stacked up on L.A. now. I can go over here and now get to play on other teams, and now they're like, all right, we're not stacked up on Boston now. We're not stacked up on L.A. now. I can go over here and now get to play? It created more jobs, but the ideal of there's just like we just threw in 90 new players. It wasn't that. I mean, when you say watered down, I mean, the 80s is watered down in a sense because of technology. They didn't have trainers.

Starting point is 00:19:08 Right. Right. They didn't have trainers. They didn't have, you know, development skill coaches. They didn't even have shooting machines. Right. They had to literally throw the ball out themselves, do the little turn, hit the little mid range. If a team did have a shooting machine,

Starting point is 00:19:25 you just stuck the dude on that and say, just shoot all day, right? That's crazy. They didn't have luxury planes like we have now. They had commercials. So this is literally how it went. Let's say we played a day. Think about it.

Starting point is 00:19:39 What time is commercial? Red-eye. For the most part, red-eye is done. So they didn't take Red Eye. They had to stay overnight, leave in the morning, leave in the morning, get to the hotel, sleep for a few hours and get ready for the game.

Starting point is 00:19:54 That's how they played back then. They had disadvantages. To be honest, greatness then was considered great compared to what we're doing. We have advantages that we can leave tonight, get a full hour sleep. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:14 Right? They got to fly, land, take a two-hour nap, then play. Go back to what you were saying. Go back to what you were saying. Go back to what you were saying. Go back to what you were saying. You were saying about Mike, though. Think about what Mike was doing.

Starting point is 00:20:26 You're talking about the greatness. Mike is smoking cigars, drinking Yak, and still doing what he's doing back then during that time of traveling. The things that they were doing compared to what you're able to do now, what we know we can recover with. We got ankle braces and you got nike shoes and you got you know different footing like niggas was out there balling in them chucks yeah all right ain't no footing out there you're just bringing ankles and niggas didn't even know that it was an acl tear they were just out there still hooping putting the wrap around their knee so we did have advantages but i think think that JJ is just trying to subtly discredit Mike because

Starting point is 00:21:06 the conversation is now, as LeBron has surpassed everyone in the accolades, it wants to be a clear cut, no brainer that he's the greatest because of all these things. And when you're having conversations with guys who doesn't consider those accolades a part of the greatness conversation, when we're talking about the nuts and bolts of it. Because it can be considered when we bring all the conversation together. You say, well, LeBron did this, this, this, this, and this. And, you know, Mike didn't play long enough

Starting point is 00:21:35 to do this, this, this, and this. But when you're talking about the credit and you're talking about the discredit, don't say watered down when it's not accurate. Where you can back it up with all... Yeah, I mean, that's the only thing I combat. So you say not watered down. I would argue it's watered down to an extent.

Starting point is 00:21:52 But it's a part of the growing pains of growing a business, right? You're trying to expand the league, trying to add more teams, trying to add more value to the league. There's going to be periods. But you have teams like the Heat, after a couple seasons in the league, they were good enough to make the playoffs. You have other expansion teams. For me, it's like a four- to five-year window where have teams like the Heat, after a couple seasons in the league, they were good enough to make the playoffs. You have other expansion teams.

Starting point is 00:22:06 For me, it's like a four- to five-year window where you can say the expansion stuff. After that point, your team is either just shit or it's good. Yeah, I'm just saying, don't make it... The only thing I can back... Whatever he's saying is he's saying, I'm just saying, if you're going to throw out numbers,

Starting point is 00:22:20 at least do the homework that studies it. There wasn't 15 teams. I mean, 15 players. There wasn't 15 teams. I mean 15 players. There was only 12. Those players, only 20 or 18 actually went to those teams. Everybody else, you're going after big free agents. So in a sense, it helped

Starting point is 00:22:38 the tougher teams. So that means Mike was going against a tougher team because now I can get rid of these four bad players and then add. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So that means Mike was going against a tougher team because now I can get rid of these four bad players and then add boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. So that means Michael Jordan was going to get some harder anyway. Right. So he wasn't going to he was going against a harder Detroit Pistons because they got rid of these four and added four new players right through through free agency because they got money. So it's it's a give and take. Right? I just don't put out false information. What you're saying is correct. It's hard to judge eras because we don't know the nuts and cranny of them all. I'm pretty sure if you had to stand in front of Michael Jordan, I'm pretty

Starting point is 00:23:17 sure you got that work. To me, I think when you talk about breaking it down, though, I think he's diving into it so deep to the point we're forgetting just the eye test of it all. When you see greatness, what does it look like? That's how I view it. I'm like, when you see Mike, why is Mike considered the great when he was playing? Because he never lost. When you see Cole, why would Cole be considered a great in his era. When you see Kobe, why would Kobe be considered the great in his era?

Starting point is 00:23:46 When you see Bron, why would Bron be considered? I believe this to the core. The reason we have the Mike and Kobe comparison as far as bringing Kobe away from Mike because he's a mirror-splitting image of him is because they played in the same offense. They prepared for the same thing. So if you put anybody else in the triangle offense, who else has been in the triangle offense

Starting point is 00:24:05 except for those two guys? Melo. Is Melo considered top three? Like Jordan, Cole? Is it Jordan, Cole, Melo? It's Cole and Jordan because Cole was able to take what Jordan did in the triangle and say,

Starting point is 00:24:20 I need to do this shit like this. When Cole's first three, his three-peat, he was not nothing like Jordan He was still cold in high school 22 years old He was trying to find himself But when Phil actually got to him when Shaq wasn't a integral part of that anymore It was like alright. This is what it looks like when Mike didn't have a Shaq though that to Pete Before he was trying to get that three-peat when he got back-to-back

Starting point is 00:24:45 That's what the Michael Jordan reflection looked like. It's like yo this didn't plan just like Jordan That two-peat, before he was trying to get that three-peat, when he got back-to-back, that's what the Michael Jordan reflection looked like. It's like, yo, this nigga playing just like Jordan. So would you give, Kobe has five rings, right? Yeah. Would you say he's better than LeBron if he took away the first three because he wasn't even him yet? And he only has two. I just say that him before the three,

Starting point is 00:25:02 before the two without Shaq, was a different Kobe that we can't measure when it comes to comparing him to LeBron. Because that Kobe was insane to me. No, what I'm saying is if you just give him his two rings, his two rings when he became the dominant force. Because what you're saying about Melo is Melo didn't have feel when he was younger to even get the winning part of it. But were they playing the triangle? than have Phil when he was younger to even get the winning part of it. Right, Kobe got three rings. Were they playing the triangle? When he went to New York. And his growth in New York was impressive.

Starting point is 00:25:31 Now, if you would have had him when he was in Denver and let him learn how to win early, he probably could have had a ring or two. But what I'm saying is, you know, with Kobe, they won championships before he even became his greatness. So we're judging him by five rings. Now, if we say, all right, you take those rings out, when you became him, you only have two.

Starting point is 00:25:53 Now, would you put him in the top three? Absolutely. Because those two were so impressive. They were back-to-back without a top 75 player. He did it against top elite guys, which is LeBron in Miami Paul Pierce KG Like the league was at its top peak when Kobe was really dominating steel. I was still in Cleveland. I think The magic beat him to go to the right, okay, so when I'm looking at that metric it's like

Starting point is 00:26:23 If we're gonna include the championships just to have the conversation, that's going to give Bron a conversation. But I don't ever really try to do the conversation with the championships because I'm like a skill based. But if Bron play in the triangle and we see what Bron play like in the triangle. Now I'm looking at the metric between Jordan, Kobe, and Bron in the same offensive setting where they could thrive. Because I think that's what gives Mike and Kobe a different element is because they played in the same offense where they got to be compared to each other because you didn't see it without it. That's what changes the conversation between Kobe, Mike, and LeBron. LeBron was always

Starting point is 00:27:05 the lone soldier. He was always dealing with different coaches. He was Magic Johnson. Does that make him, I mean, does that give him a little bit of an advantage? It does. It just separates him. It doesn't give him an advantage or a disadvantage. Because of a disadvantage? It doesn't. It's just the conversation is just

Starting point is 00:27:21 without the mirror images of us considering Michael Jordan the best. And then Kobe's the mirror image of the best. And then here comes LeBron saying, all right, I want to be considered in this conversation. But you're without us looking at your skill set in the same way that we look at theirs. Footwork, one dribble, isos, three-pointers, all those things. It's like you're comparing a girl you used to love to a new girl. They have different

Starting point is 00:27:47 attributes. You got to judge her attributes for her. I get it. So if you're saying, well, my girl did this this way, you can't do it this way, so you can't be better than her. Yeah. That's unfair. But it's going to be unfair because the girl I used to love is always going to be my first. It's always going to be the one that you got to up her.

Starting point is 00:28:04 You got to do better than her. Man, she that thing different boy she do it different do it different baby baby you need to learn how to do it the way she you know i got to teach you how to be better than her but but she's doing something that your girl didn't do probably that's better for you but it doesn't mean that i like it more it just means that she's doing something different and that's the conversation It's like we stuck on Jordan because he did it first, but you wouldn't With a new girlfriend and size and about your old girl see and put you out what you have to know I want to compare you to the greatest

Starting point is 00:28:36 Because my old girl is the greatest she the best I ever had and if you want to come in here and take her spot You got to be better than her you might as well not even have a new girlfriend That's like you might will well not even watch sports. That's why we said stop having a conversation. Because it was like, yo, I'm going to put these two out because they get in there. But then you can't hate on the other ones then. You just got to. And that's why I said this.

Starting point is 00:28:56 There's no hate. Then you can't personally talk about the other ones. You can only talk about the one you like. So you can't throw in negative to the other two because you are so focused on this one. So that means you're only looking at this one and then when you look at these two, you're saying, well, y'all can't be great because of her. You can't

Starting point is 00:29:14 focus on these two. You can't be greater than her until you're greater than her. But you have nothing good to say about that. No, no, no. You just don't like what we're saying. We're not saying anything bad. It just doesn't equate to you as something good because you believe he's better. I'd rather you be pro whoever

Starting point is 00:29:29 you are than anti somebody else. I understand that, but you're not considering what I'm saying pro because it's against what you're like. No, no. Pro is pro. Remember, Kobe is my favorite too. I can be pro LeBron. Pro is pro. I can be pro LeBron.

Starting point is 00:29:45 You're more anti this person. You are pro this person. I'm pro-lebron Like I really just sit in here just we're all Kobe shit What I'm saying it, but I'm gonna owe you no no, this is the thing I can be pro-lebron on his accolades I can say congratulations. You're the king of accomplishments. That's pro LeBron. But when I compare you don't compare when I do, which is what everyone is doing. So you're telling me not to compare, but you got to tell everyone not to compare because that's the conversation. When you say, oh, LeBron's better. And then I say, why? You have to compare because that's the only way, because you know why? There's someone in front of him.

Starting point is 00:30:26 So in order for him to be the best, you have to compare him to whoever he's in front of. Cove's in front of him. Mike's in front of him. Why is LeBron better? Because boom, boom, boom. That's a comparison. We have, we spend more, you spend more time talking negative on the person who people are putting in front of instead of just your point against your player. That's how it be. Like with Michael Jordan, right?

Starting point is 00:30:54 Michael Jordan, he had a young feel, right? He had a young feel. So if you want to talk about everybody's coaches now, he had a young field. Kobe has an advantage over Michael Jordan in coaching because the field he gets is a bona fide Hall of Famer now. He wasn't a Hall of Famer when Michael Jordan had him. So Michael Jordan had a rookie coach learning how to be great. Kobe had a great coach. LeBron never had any of it. He had starter coaches.

Starting point is 00:31:24 So he got four championships on starter coaches. So the one who should be in the front would be Kobe because of the coaching. So he has an advantage. So he gets an A-plus coach. Jordan, for the most part, had an F turned A. LeBron, F all the way through. Regardless of what you say, you're comparing. No, no, I'm comparing coaching.

Starting point is 00:31:47 I'm comparing coaching. But you're comparing regardless. I'm not comparing nobody. I'm comparing coaching. But you're comparing the situations. To coaching. Yeah. Not players.

Starting point is 00:31:57 I'm saying who's in front of who. The situation affects the player, though. Huh? The situations affect the player. And that's what happens. So you're still comparing. No, no, no. What I'm saying is when you're talking

Starting point is 00:32:06 about advantages, when players have advantages, this guy has an advantage on technology. This guy has an advantage because it is this guy having an advantage. You have to factor in all of it. So you have to give points to every single one. So when you say Jordan, I mean,

Starting point is 00:32:21 Kobe had the biggest advantage because he has a prime coach that already coached Michael Jordan. He already has it. So he failed with Michael Jordan the first couple years and they won championships. So when he gets a young Kobe, he knows how to treat it. So Kobe has no flaw in a coach.

Starting point is 00:32:38 Right. But we're not considering the coaching a part of his greatness. My conversation would be, all right, LeBron, how many all-defensive teams did you win compared to Mike and Kobe all right I taught him how to play but you would have you would have to compare it to have the conversation about okay why would we put LeBron at number one over these two guys when statistically he's never reached these milestones attributing to the rest of his milestones then Then you say, all right, Mike never lost in the finals. Kobe has a certain win percentage in the finals.

Starting point is 00:33:10 All of these different stats are going to favor these two other than LeBron because he didn't do this. It depends on what's – that's what I'm saying. That's a comparison. We have to compare them. They all have defensive – you're using defense. They all have one, right? I'm just saying as far as the comparison goes, when you have to compare at some point, you're going defense. They all have one, right? I'm just saying as far as the comparison goes,

Starting point is 00:33:25 when you have to compare at some point, you're going to compare something. You're going to compare something. Then this is where coaching, right? Phil Jackson, defensive juggernaut type of coach. Offense and defense. His structure, the way he drafted, the players he picked, big point guards.

Starting point is 00:33:40 He had a structure on how his team looked. He was the first small ball, but it was small ball, big ball. That's how the Bulls played. That's how the Lakers played. Why was Kobe the only guard on the team's all defensive if they were so juggernaut? He got his defense from Gary Payton. Kobe.

Starting point is 00:33:57 Kobe got his tactics from Gary Payton. This is all defensive teams. After he got that, after GP put it in his ear, hey, do this like this, from the first All-Star game he was in, he said, man, this is how defensive team after he got that after GP put it in his ear I do this like this from the first all-star game is in yeah He said man this how you do it, but he also he took that and he's like yo I'm gonna apply this to my game, and now I'm a dual threat Rick Mike had the same thing dual threat I gotta take this away from you and go do this on the other end of the floor now I'm gonna be considered this kind of guy, but you have to argue all the way through. You can't use when I'm saying

Starting point is 00:34:28 this, when you're giving someone this and saying, well, you didn't have this. Why didn't he have this? You have to take in the factor of it all. And that's been the conversation. So all of it. You know what that reason is? What if he paid for Pat Riley his whole career? But that ain't it. You know what the reason is?

Starting point is 00:34:44 No, no, no, no, no. No, it ain't. Because that's not the reason. The reason between the three, these two had a fucking killer instinct. What does that mean? Because that's what the difference was. When everyone has the conversation of comparing the three, they say these two dudes will eat your heart out. This dude will shake your hand and go eat steak and drink wine with you that was

Starting point is 00:35:08 Because it contributed them to being all defense all defensive players they took this side of the court way More personal than he did leave. It's a lie. It shows it. That's a lie. It shows it. You can't use... But it shows it. No, it doesn't. There's proof. What's proof? He just got 4-1'd. Okay, he lost 4-1 at 39. What is that?

Starting point is 00:35:32 You just bring up an age. What is that? You just bring up an age. You just bring up an age randomly. You just bring up a random age. But you're like, he ain't been swept before. He been swept before.

Starting point is 00:35:41 Jordan was swept before? Yeah, but... Kobe didn't even make his next play at all. He still... What I'm saying is we can be negative against everybody. He's been swept before name Jordan was swept before. Yeah, but nobody didn't even make it this way Everybody you're arguing for no no point when you're You have to bring it all you have what you're creating a narrative There's not negative what I'm saying you're being biased because you don't like what I'm saying. It's not negative.

Starting point is 00:36:08 I'm the only person in this room who likes all three. But I'm not being negative. So I can't be biased. But you're saying it's negative. You're using things for them against them. Are you using anything for him against them? I'm not using anything against anybody. I'm going to tell you something that is on death row. Death row means death, right?

Starting point is 00:36:24 Lethal injection or shock treatment. Doesn't matter. Motherfucker, you dead, right? So Jordan and Kobe can be rah, rah, and the other one shakes your hand. 40 is 40, motherfucker. No matter how you look at it, no matter how you die, you dead either way. So you can't say, oh, this motherfucker took the electric chair, he died with pride. Versus he went to sleep. You dead. Right? That's all that matters, man.

Starting point is 00:36:52 All three of them were great. Is that all that matters? All three were great. That's all we can do, man. It isn't. It isn't. What? It isn't.

Starting point is 00:37:00 Because what you're just saying is you die, you die, right? All right, LeBron accidentally hit a nigga with his car. Is he dead? Yeah, he dead. He dead? You know what these niggas did? He dead? But you know what these niggas did?

Starting point is 00:37:16 I hunted you down in the forest and chopped your goddamn head off. And then I put it up on all the fucking highways. When you ride by, when you ride by, you know what you see? You see these heads. You're like, God. But look, this is what he did. What he did is, he was feeding with his headlights off

Starting point is 00:37:33 and he hit some innocent bystander and he kept going. I see three funerals. Yeah, he did, but you ain't mean it. You ain't mean it. That's why you're not in an electric chair, because you didn't mean it. But these niggas are serial killers. These niggas are going through every city chopping heads off.

Starting point is 00:37:49 That's the difference. He wants you to be loud with him. So, Rashad, that's a personal thing. It's not. Yeah, he wants you to be loud. Rashad, you're talking about. The FBI not looking for you, bro. They looking for us.

Starting point is 00:38:01 They looking for us. The FBI looking for us. They just get you a pass. They're like, he didn't mean to do it. He done ran a pass. They're like, he didn't mean to do it. He done ran over 16 people this month and he didn't mean to do it. You talked about You talked about

Starting point is 00:38:14 LeBron losing 4-1 in this series, so let's spin it forward. So according to the Athletics, Jovan Buhat, the Lakers are expected to fire Darvin Hamm by the end of the week. And during owner Matt Ishby's State of the Suns press conference on Wednesday, he was non-committal on Frank Vogel returning next

Starting point is 00:38:29 season, saying we're going to evaluate everything. So one person who isn't feeling Hamm and Vogel getting the blame for their team's lackluster seasons is Charles Barkley, who had this to say on Inside the NBA Wednesday night. Anybody who thinks the reason the Lakers suck is because of Darvin Hamm or the reason the Suns suck

Starting point is 00:38:46 is because of Frank Vogel you don't know what you're talking about Frank Vogel is a hell of a coach Darvin Ham is a hell of a coach trying to get his his career started but for all you punks idiots and jackasses on other networks who want to be media and who want all the players to like y'all do your damn job the Lakers suck suck and the Sun sucks because of the players has nothing to do with the coaches. I Feel better now. Yeah, I can tell looks like you are Like getting that off your chest. I did I hate it man You said they're like for darvin ham needs to get fired Frank Volk need to get fired who put them teams together them trash ass teeth put together need to get fired them guys are they didn't just all of a sudden suck as coaches people who put them teams together to get they start

Starting point is 00:39:32 packing up they stuff okay so we got thoughts on Barkley blaming Lakers and sons players and management and not the coaching I'm rolling I'm rolling I've been I've been saying it was the players. I mean, as much as we want to blame Darvin and him, it's like, well, you got LeBron James, you got AD, you got guys who've been in the league for over 10 years. You should know how to coach yourself when you're out there too at the same time.

Starting point is 00:39:57 Facts. He is a, this is his second year. So, yes, he's not going to know everything. Yes, he's going to make mistakes. I mean, he don't know. Like, you just throw him in the fire i mean he got to the western conference finals first year and then okay he loses the the um you know this year but i'm not blaming everything on them coaches bro it's the players i think everybody be gassed off these these guys and i don't think they like that no more so brandy you said obviously darvin his first season with

Starting point is 00:40:22 lakers they got to the western conference finals it's the players' fault this year that they did get past the Nuggets in the first round. So do the players get the credit for getting to the Western Conference Finals last year? No, for sure. No, they both do. I'm just not blaming everything on Darvin Hamm. Like, it's everything just not on him.

Starting point is 00:40:39 He's not out there playing. Like, you tell me 10 years in the NBA, I can't coach myself on situations or things that's going on. And I went to the championship and I played in the playoffs and I've done all these. So you tell me I don't know how to coach myself? If I'm Devin Booker, if I'm KD, if I'm Bill, you tell me I can't get these guys in the locker room and get shit together? So you ain't like that then. That's real shit, bro.

Starting point is 00:41:03 You're not like that. We've talked about it. We even broke down the film for the Lakers, right? Why they not doing certain things in the fourth quarter, right? And we always also talk about coaches putting a system in. Frank Vogel not having a distinct system in for those guys that's going to contribute them doing what you're saying. Like, in order for us to have freedom to coach ourselves, we need a system to always fall back on. So when it's not going right, just run that shit. We know we can get back into our flow, we run that shit. But we see mismatches out here. All

Starting point is 00:41:34 right, we're going to go here. Y'all two go pick and roll over there. We're going to spit on the weak side. We're going to do this. On defense, look, Luka killing us on the motherfucking ISO when we do the switch Load up elbows and boxes Luca push him up. Don't let him shoot that step back make him drop to us and kick it Yeah, or ad under five minutes. Yo, we're gonna go to ad every time. I don't care Don't shoot the ball somebody on the course a turn for my shit Tell him bro. You don't shoot at this time. Like Nick. That's what we used to do back when we played, you know What's the name got it going? All right, yo, we're gonna keep it going over to my tank Yeah, we keep going to the name bro. Don't fix it. And that's the conversation that players do have and it's like that's why I say

Starting point is 00:42:15 JJ saying is watered down back there. Mm-hmm and I'm looking at it like it's watered down now Yeah, cuz we don't even know what's going on out there. We watch Like what the fuck are y'all doing? Y'all ain't even going to what we know will work. But you know who is? Denver Nuggets. To your point, Michael Malone. The two Euros. Michael Malone had several seasons with the Nuggets to figure it out.

Starting point is 00:42:36 Job was never in jeopardy. Obviously won the chip last year. Looking like they will potentially make a run this year if they can get past the Wolves. System in place. Players that he likes keep coming back Everyone's happy Boston to a Miami Miami in there to just like routine. Yeah, they played us every time Okay, see starting to be like that They've always been a farm system where they can bring those players in and bring them develop them up But I used to be San Antonio

Starting point is 00:43:02 Just see you see you go into the notebook. What are your thoughts on what Barkley had to say? I don't like him. You think he's talking about you? No. I don't think so. Because I used to be a fan. I'm still a fan.

Starting point is 00:43:21 I just don't like how he talks about whose fault it is because when he was playing, he didn't take no responsibility for what was going on with him. Yeah. Right? When he went to the finals against Michael Jordan or, you know, the Western Conference or the championship and lost, what did they do the next year? What did they do the year after that?

Starting point is 00:43:42 Whose fault was it when they went 41-41 and he needed to leave to go try to win a championship? He wasn't good enough then? With Houston? Yeah. And then when he got to Houston, you know, teams that won championship, who was out of shape? Who was out of shape that couldn't be healthy for the team to, they put so much money into you. How'd they put so much money into you to come over there to help them win? But you was out of shape. Not from, you know, me, it's from the players who played with you said you was out of shape.

Starting point is 00:44:07 Putting blame on them, right? Where was the responsibility then? I hate when, you know, you get to a certain stage and you start throwing shots when you were a problem yourself when you played, right? And, you know, these guys don't have, you know, gambling problems and, you know,

Starting point is 00:44:27 problems like that. They really actually care about basketball. Some of them do, but not at the highest level. But I'm saying they actually care about basketball.

Starting point is 00:44:34 Those guys in Phoenix, they do sit in the gym all day. They don't have a life outside of basketball. Right? And that's because of the generations

Starting point is 00:44:42 before us. The listening to the Michael Jordans, the listening to the Kobe Bryant. Right. They inspired these players to want to be great. Yeah, they're failing. They don't know how to play with each other. They don't have the structure that, you know, there was back then. You know, but don't don't throw shots at them when you have a history.

Starting point is 00:45:05 Let us ask your teammates who you were when you left Philadelphia, when you left them in a shithole after y'all did Eastern Conference with these veteran players. When you became a veteran, who were you as a player? So I just don't like that crap. There's a problem I have with that, though. Because this is what the crowd is doing now. I make a take. I ain't played since 2010.

Starting point is 00:45:36 I can't go back out there and play. So why is it that my take has to be compared, my career has to be now compared to LeBron's? Because I don't agree with something he's done. I don't agree with him not boxing out, blah, blah, blah. The first line of defense for anybody that listens to my take is, well, your career didn't pan out. Well, why is your career? I'm like, I can't go back and change my career. Does that mean I can't make the take?

Starting point is 00:46:03 Does that mean I don't have an opinion? Because now we have to make the conversation about me I don't want to talk about me because we're sitting here talking about you you don't want still playing not me But is it but the problem is okay like when jaw had us his his situation, right? That's like me when jaw had a situation Saying he's an idiot. You're stupid moron You should be kicked out of the league, and do all that. Who looks stupid in reality?

Starting point is 00:46:28 Only me. You would only look stupid if you didn't agree that that was you in that position. But that's what I'm saying. I was a moron. Yeah. I was stupid, and I deserved to be kicked out the league. And that's... You wouldn't look stupid by making that statement.

Starting point is 00:46:40 Exactly. That's my point. Right? Is Charles Barkley doing it? No. Okay. But the accountability is what's happening. Has he ever done it done it though like no he don't know he pretend he pretend he don't talk about like things that he's done no he doesn't that's and that's my issue with it right like yeah you know

Starting point is 00:46:55 i was in this when i was in this situation this is how i went about it do not do that right you have to take accountability that's why i couldn't win maybe that's why i didn't win championships because when i got to houston right okay these were championship players and i was coming back with my lazy self okay right you know they're out there practicing i'm on a treadmill i i fucked up your facts if you do that then these players wouldn't look at you like yo we could they can google they can they can call we can call Clyde Drexler. They can call Hakeem and say, hey, Sam Cassell, hey, how is he? Hey, Big Shot, how is Bark? Pip, what do you think about Bark? They have opinions of you, dog.

Starting point is 00:47:34 Yes, yes. You don't think I called the players? Hey, man, what was Charles Barkley like? Because I want to see if you're a contradiction to what you're saying now. Yep. You have to be accountable. For them to be accountable, you have to be accountable first. If you have the loudest mouth.

Starting point is 00:47:48 Yep. You're on the national stage. You have to be accountable. Why didn't you win a championship when you had championship team? You as a player. Like, hey, man, listen, I was a little stuck. You tell me, look, hey, I ain't making pass the second round because I like to shoot a lot. Right?

Starting point is 00:48:02 I take shit personal. Hey, motherfucker, you score on me. I'm taking three, four shots. Maybe I didn't pass like to shoot a lot. I take shit personally. You score on me, I'm taking three, four shots. Maybe I didn't pass to my players a lot. That's why I take accountability because I have a voice and I can't throw shots at you without throwing shots at myself. I've done it. That's why I come on here and I say

Starting point is 00:48:15 we've done that. We always talk about our passing. The things that we've done that we could have changed. Let's spin it forward to now and we'll bark this saying about these two squads. How much is it on the players and management's fault and how much is it on the coaching that they got? It's everybody's fault, man.

Starting point is 00:48:32 It starts off with the grocery shopper who's picking the groceries. He ain't picking the groceries to the cook. The cook is the coach. So whatever he's picking, he has to make sure this is is the coach, right? So whatever, he's picking,

Starting point is 00:48:46 he has to make sure this is what the coach, hey, what kind of meal you want, what ingredients you want. I got to get the list from you. Yep. Go get it. Then you make the meal.

Starting point is 00:48:53 Facts. Now the players, they have to be accountable because they have to know how to play. If you don't eat the motherfucking broccoli, I'm not going to put

Starting point is 00:49:03 the broccoli in your face. Hey, that's crazy what you just did. Hey. We got a Francis. Because Frank asked for a specific. There are reports. You're saying that Frank is the chef. Frank is like, yo, I need this, this, and this.

Starting point is 00:49:16 But you're saying that the niggas is going to the grocery store. It's like, nah, we going to cook this up. And I don't give a fuck how you cook it, but this is what we cook. And you do good with fish. I'm in here bringing steak because that's what I like. Yeah. Now go make a good steak.

Starting point is 00:49:28 Now I'm going to fire you because you couldn't cook the steak and then you gave me fish. Yeah. You gave me fish. You know what I mean? And that's what ends up happening

Starting point is 00:49:34 as the people who are picking, if it doesn't pan out, they're like, well, I'm not going to fire myself. That's a fact. You got to go. Wow.

Starting point is 00:49:42 That's a fact. That's the blueprint. And that's why I remember when Doc, when he was with the Clippers, he wanted to be the coach and the GM. That's why Pop. Pop is the coach and the GM.

Starting point is 00:49:57 So he can pick who he wants that fits his style of play. That's what made when we talk about coaching, that's what made Phil great. These are the players that I need to run this system. Facts. And that's what Denver's over there doing.

Starting point is 00:50:15 They're picking players that fit the system. And you're saying Calvin. That's why Miami's been great. Calvin Booth is upstairs listening to Mike. Like, hey, what do you really need? You know what I'm saying? Like, okay, you need that, that, that. And like you said, Pat down in Miami, hey, Spoh, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I'm pretty sure Spoh wants a better diet than he's getting. For

Starting point is 00:50:39 sure. I want the filet. Take this, take this. This is the beginning. This is where we're going to be cooking. Can you cook it? I want to know what the training is like. Like these guys training. Like how they train in the summer now. Because I'm sure it's different from when we were training. Like you think they train. Like I don't know.

Starting point is 00:50:58 Because guys be getting hurt and all that. I want to know what is the training. Like how is the training in the summer now for us guys? The training should be like Like okay, like when you're talking about outside trainer right outside trainer That means like I have let's say I have James Harden to have Jimmy Butler. I have Giannis right. These are my three guys three total different type of players and

Starting point is 00:51:23 I'm training all of them the same exact way. Absolutely. Right? I'm doing the same exact thing for all of them, which hurts all of them. Yep. Because one, they all play different. They're all in three different systems. If I'm going to put a skill into you, it has to be how you play the game.

Starting point is 00:51:43 So that means I have to, as a trainer, talk to your coaching staff. What are the playbooks? What are your plays? How does he score? Where's his plays? I have to do study on you. So when I'm training you, I'm training you to add stuff to how you play already. If you in the triangle, like Cole, I can't be giving Cole Jordan Poole's package or james harden package right because you'll never

Starting point is 00:52:08 be i wasted this man's whole summer because he's never gonna do any of that i wasted your whole summer if this is your package i gotta give you the tools for you to be successful in this package and that's how it's played you know why they're doing that because the trainers they're picking are giving them packages of their favorite players You're talking about Chris Brinkley talking about handled dribble too much. You're talking about Even Chris Johnson all of these guys, right? They're training these guys based on what they think Will work on the floor instead of like you said when we were talking about hakeem you're talking about your son i'm gonna die say what my son does well what he loves to do on the floor and we're gonna break down the footage on how to make that thing better when you play outside of that and when i was

Starting point is 00:52:56 training that's the number one thing i focused on like all right look let's look at film first before we touch a ball i want to know who you like why you like them I want to know what your skill set is what you'd like to do. Mm-hmm what you don't like to do I want to see how well you do those things Then we're gonna go on the court and see all of these things We're gonna test all of these these theories and the experiments and then we're gonna look for some results behind that But when you're going out to the guy that's just going to get you seen the most based on your Instagram views or how many people come to this black ops facility and play one-on-ones and five-on-fives, you're not getting better. And you look at these guys and you go out there and you're like, well, where is he in crunch time? Oh, he wants the James Harden step back. Oh,

Starting point is 00:53:40 he got that. Okay, cool. He's trying to do the euro. Okay, he got that. What else do you got? Mm-hmm. You don't got the basic fundamentals and that's why when I was growing up I was compared to certain guys and I seen why because these guys have fundamentals Dwyane Wade Gilbert arenas was my tweener Comparisons coming out of the draft. I didn't handle the ball like they did but it was the if he handled the ball more like that you would see the resemblances of this because he has the capabilities to do this but my game the way i trained was based on who i liked what i knew my capabilities was and the weaknesses that i wanted to make better these guys and they train it in the summer like you said they're following the leader yeah you're rico hines everybody's out here doing the same drill.

Starting point is 00:54:26 You're not individually, privately customizing your own shit to make it better. And the ones we do see do it, John Morant, Brunson, guys that are elevating their game every year and coming in with some new shit. It's like, oh yeah, they don't train with nobody over

Starting point is 00:54:42 here. They're not with Lethal Shooter or none of this other shit shit They get here in the bag Finding out what worked for them. Yo, they compared you to Gil Yeah, and draft dinette, but this was Gil before he was this was Gillen on Golden State. I when I seen No, he was 63 I was 63 that was the only reason between the three of us. I remember I seen Melo train probably in the summer in my career probably about 20 times. Same routine. Same routine. Them logos, ISOs, pull up one, two, shot from the three over and over and over.

Starting point is 00:55:23 Every year. Then you add a little tweak to it little tweak to it Joe Johnson is moot the way they train match the movement in the game when I watch cold when he took his 500 shots Is that the elbow? Yep come boom. He's doing the whole fake fake turn angle. Huh fake That's his he's not coming down on the pick and roll doing like and i'm gonna give you all this for the trainers it's for free okay half court to the three-point line you got cone cone cone cone cone you got all your kids doing boom boom boom boom doing that amazing and then the three-point, and it's go for the layup.

Starting point is 00:56:05 Yeah. It's fucking backwards. Right? From the half court to the three-point line, that's dead space. They are not doing no move. You're just coming down. The three-point line is where the defense is.

Starting point is 00:56:21 Facts. That's when you... How many times have you seen a motherfucker just go in and make a layup? That's why your kids, when they get in traffic, they don't know what they're doing. Because the traffic that they've been trained to do is from the half court to

Starting point is 00:56:34 the three-point line. They're sitting there doing all this, and then as soon as they get to there, go by the trainer, layup. No, that's when the Euro step has to, that's why they can't move in traffic because you have to flip it they come down open and then three point line to the that's when they come with all the creative stuff because that's where the defense is so all these drills you're

Starting point is 00:56:56 doing here it's stop like think of it logical they're killing the imagination the imagination we create with that dead space is we're seeing the other five players come down. This guy's going to be in front of me at the three-point line. I got to hit him. That's the first one. That's my first guy. But I'm really not looking at him if I bomb him. I'm looking at the other four guys.

Starting point is 00:57:19 I'm like, all right, now once I pass him, who's the second line of defense now? Okay, this nigga going to come over or the back line. He going gonna help. I gotta be able to get by him and get by him and not only finish, but make the play if this dude is open. We're not seeing that. That's what I said. It's like I be watching, I'm like,

Starting point is 00:57:36 yeah, it's switch dogs. Y'all gotta take these cones, put them inside the three-point line as movement and defense. I came off the pick and roll He stopped me I had to cut back and that's when you get creative the creative is here's like y'all doing these kids This is boring though, right? You know what I do? What's more? You know what I do? I don't wanna I go on a page and put fire emojis

Starting point is 00:58:02 What he's saying is the fundamental. He was in your bag. He was in your bag. The tediousness of what we have to do to bring that to the young kid's head is that you got to do it this way. It's not fun. Think about the cone from the half court to the three-point line. That's fun. I'm going in my bag. I'm in my bag.

Starting point is 00:58:22 And then I go lay up, right? Instead of fundamentally, now come down here, we're going to be waiting for you. Come down. Now you got to go in your bag where it's tight and we can strip that shit.

Starting point is 00:58:34 Like if we're trainers and we're training Elijah, come down, you got to hit Gil and I'm helping on the nail and I'm about to strip that shit every time you hit him, I'm here. And then Brandon's coming to help in the weak side.

Starting point is 00:58:46 You got to hit all three of us. That's harder, but it's boring because you're going to do this shit for an hour straight. Same move. You got to show us. Yo, how would you get with Jordan Poole this summer for his training to get him back? Or is it more mental? For him, it is more just simple basketball right he already has the tools like the stuff he does we call it it's like it's sports center

Starting point is 00:59:11 basketball right which that's one or two plays the stuff he's doing is a reaction to something right meaning i came down you cut me off boom and then you was fast enough to come back and then i hit you with another move and win a score right those you you can't play basketball with that mindset that oh i'm gonna make him do this and do that so i'm gonna be on sport it's back it's regular right 90 of your game should be how devin booker, Kawhi, that's the simple part of it. The Kyrie. When he's sitting here, and then someone came here and he recognized it and then

Starting point is 00:59:51 spent off. You don't practice that shit, dog. That's just in you. It's just in you. You can't sit there and, ah, all right, coach, come spin. You're never going to do it in the game because that's not how the play developed. You got to have simple basketball. You have to be an expert at the fundamentals first.

Starting point is 01:00:10 Okay. Every day you got to step back, step back. That comes later. You have to be a shot maker first. Like anybody can shoot. We all can shoot. Are you a shot maker? Do you make shots?

Starting point is 01:00:24 Facts. Right? So he has to focus on, hey, one make shots? Facts. Right? So he has to focus on a one-two pull-up, right? I have the pull-up right here. Why do I need to do a double step back to the three-point line? Get the two. Guarantee two. Guarantee.

Starting point is 01:00:36 Got you. Get the guarantee two. It's two points. There's some time, like, someone got a rebound. Oh, it was PJ. PJ got off his rebound, right? And then, you know, PJ's, it's oh, fine, hit the three.

Starting point is 01:00:50 Sometimes you might just need to get the rebound and back up. Get the guarantee two. Get the guarantee two first. Stop looking for the three. I know it's one more point, but it's the percentage is shorter. Just grab it. Okay. That's boring. You can't be bored with scoring buckets. Exactly, because they don't understand that a bucket is a bucket. But it's how they're getting it. Okay. It's boring. That's boring. Like you said. You can't be bored with scoring buckets.

Starting point is 01:01:05 Exactly, because they don't understand that a bucket is a bucket. But it's how they're getting it. It's how it looks. It's how they're getting it. I know. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like you just said, when you get there, you got this two right here guaranteed. Man, it's a bucket.

Starting point is 01:01:17 But if I step back, step back, and I fade on this nigga with the one leg up. It's going to look better. That's a highlight. And it feels better. It feels. It's tough. It's so wrong. It's going to look better. It feels better. It's tough. It's so wrong. It's so backwards. It's like today, or just even

Starting point is 01:01:30 the greatest players, they need to be mindful of when it becomes too easy, do not get bored with that. Because even with Kobe, it becomes so easy that he was like I can shoot this

Starting point is 01:01:46 but let me just wait till the double team comes so when the double team comes I can do the pump fake pump fake because you have to be like

Starting point is 01:01:54 even with James Harden like if James Harden wants to score 30s no one's no one can stop him. Right. What he does

Starting point is 01:02:04 that became so easy for him that he had to add the He had to add it to make it seem like Okay, y'all do it so I gotta make the defense a little bit Well, sometimes you just got to come out there and just just hey don't be boy a two-point motherfucker I to to like i'm not gonna i'm not gonna shoot it i'm not shooting no motherfucking step back three until you really stop me first degree of difficulty right the difference between cole mike and brian brian makes the shit look easy he don't want to make it difficult i take you down here i'm getting my two

Starting point is 01:02:41 i back you down i give my two I make the right play boom boom boom It's boring cuz it's easy you bigger than everybody you stronger than everybody What made Kobe them so cold is because it was so tough. Oh, that's tough even Kyrie We look at Kyrie with that three-on-one Sworn 40,000 that's tough. It's one forty thousand points is tough. It is tough, but it was easy for him. It was easy. You were walking apart. But that's the Kyrie move, right?

Starting point is 01:03:11 That was just the one highlight. One. The other 37 points, just easy. Easy. But see, he made it tough when he needed to and he wanted to. And that's what people don't understand. You have to watch the game, dog. Yes.

Starting point is 01:03:28 Watch the whole game and see how the whole game playing versus just watching the highlights of a move. You have to watch the whole game to see why this player's great. To watch Luka, watch how he plays the game. Okay, boom, floater. Easy. Get in there. Boom, boom, easy.

Starting point is 01:03:45 Now once he done hit 10 straight, now he gonna come out there and fuck with you. Sit there with the boom, boom, boom. Nigga! Nigga, come on over here. So let's keep this thing moving. We're gonna

Starting point is 01:04:01 talk little playoffs, but we're gonna go first. Y'all talking about Kyrie? It's over. It's over. What's that? We don't want to hear you say nigga no more. You finally pulled a t-shirt out.

Starting point is 01:04:16 Yeah. Is that sexy red? Yeah, yeah. Sexy, sexy. Sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy red. Sexy, sexy red. Two big playoff games last night. Y'all talked about Kyrie and Lucas, so let's start in L.A.

Starting point is 01:04:30 Clippers were feeling good heading back to L.A. after a game-four win in Dallas to tie the series. Maybe a little too good. So before the game, there was an ad on a billboard near the arena trolling the Mavs with flights from Dallas to Cancun, but the Clippers came out and said they had nothing to do with it. Let's talk about this Mav squad after the Mavs game 4 loss. That's just a bad omen. They ain't got nothing to do with that. We got the ultimate respect for the Mavs but that's what was trending before the game. It was 2-2 right? Yes. It's a bad drone right there that's a bad

Starting point is 01:05:05 that's nasty work yeah that's clipper type that's your dog i guess they thought i'm just that's clipper nation right here that's clipper nation they said they didn't have nothing to do with it that's cap because only them only them think if they win the next game somehow the series is over only them right now not it's 3-1 or 3-2, and then this is the last game. The fact that if they won, they still had another game. Clipper shit. Clipper shit. Clipper shit.

Starting point is 01:05:33 So after the Mavs game for a loss, Luka said he needs to do more to help Kyrie, and he entered game five dealing with an illness and sprained knee. It said before the game he likely wouldn't have played if it was a regular season game, but this is the playoffs and Luka Magic was in full effect. So Luka had his best game of the series, dropping 35 points, 10 assists and 7 rebounds.

Starting point is 01:05:54 He was 14 for 26 from the field and was a plus 28 in the game. Cooking this squad like that. Kyrie finished with 14.6 dimes for a rebound. And Maxie Kleiba was big off the bench with 15 points, 5 for 7 from 3, including 4 threes in the second quarter. Yeah, he had some big threes.

Starting point is 01:06:14 Yeah, he had some big shots in that second quarter to help the Mavs pad their leagues. The Mavs started their quarter on a 14-0 run. Did not look back. Oh, come get this work, please, Terrence Mann. So, talk about the Clippers side. Harden and PG combined for 66 points in game four, but followed that up with a combined 22 points in game five.

Starting point is 01:06:33 PG had 15, Harden had seven. They were combined six for 25 from the field, three for 13 from three. The Mavs, you know, took control of the game in the second half, went on to win by 30 points. That 30-point defeat is the largest loss in Clippers playoff history. So we talked about Cancun. I mean, that makes sense.

Starting point is 01:06:54 That means it's not like they had a long history of playoffs. Yeah. But now the Mavs head back to Dallas with a chance to send the Clippers to Cancun. So those Dallas to Cancun flights looking like they might be for the Clippers now if they can't get it done in game six. But let's talk about Luka. What changed for Luka in game five? Just, I think, just watching the game, he drove a lot more.

Starting point is 01:07:21 He didn't settle like he was doing, you know, the first two games. You know, because he can get a shot on anybody, you know, as you can see I think this time he decided he was just gonna drive and You know, this needs to be studied by trainers like, you know, this guy is slower than everybody else No one is cutting them off because he knows how to use his arms He knows how to use his body. He knows how to use his body. And he doesn't change directions ever until you make him change. He doesn't just change on his own. Like he's, you're going to stay on the side. He's going to just keep going, right? You have to, you have to get in front of Luca before he even thinks about changing directions. And, um, that's a skill in itself, but for the most part, he stayed downhill stayed attacking didn't settle much

Starting point is 01:08:07 i like his patience he was very patient um and when you think about kairi exploding for that 40 and then they losing that game and to change the dynamic and luca understanding that you know that 40 didn't get them over the top and that he needs to get back to his shit. Like, he just went back to his bag. He was like, all right, let me go back, see where the pressure is on this team. Where can I pressure them? And I think most of the pressure he put on James.

Starting point is 01:08:34 You know, James has not done well when he's got his back against the wall. And to see James come back and do back-to-back 30-point games would give us old-school James Harden feel, but I think he's just falling back into this whole, this new era. He's falling in love with being complacent. I'm looking for Zubox for the first quarter. We need 11-point first quarter James Harden. We need to set the tone James Harden. We're here to knock your ass out, James Harden. But Luka was able to say, look, man, I I'm gonna set the tone here. I'm gonna be patient throughout the game

Starting point is 01:09:08 I'm gonna put these guys on my back and we're gonna we're gonna do it like this and I like that about Luca He's he's taking leadership role based on his patience and seeing where the game go and he got a Calabria that's the name Cleaver Cleave up here that the people in the chatter correcting me. I said Clyde, but clearly I don't give like either way Yeah Must in his cup Aggressive hunger fucking local that yeah, but getting them involved early is clean with Clyde, but you know you got people inside You got me on your side

Starting point is 01:09:43 So I like they pace and everything like that. But when he's just playing, and, like, when he's playing and he's not, like, whining and, like, complaining and stuff like that, they're good. Like, but when he starts getting to it with the refs and complaining a lot, I think he loses focus on, you know, the game and what's going on. So when he's just playing and he's just hooping and just letting the game be the game, everything is be alright so clever like a Dallas Dallas was smart right

Starting point is 01:10:10 they realized James Harden was gonna attack Luca every time every time right with Kyrie on them because Kyrie is a little faster when James is sitting there probing it takes more dribbles for James to try to get around Kyrie. So what you're doing is you're tiring him out with Kyrie, and then once the pick and roll comes, then you get on Luka. A lot of time has went down. So it seemed like that's what they changed in that last game, where when he's trying to get around Kyrie,

Starting point is 01:10:48 he usually wants to, like, if Kyrie decides to fall, he's going to get a lot of charges. Facts. If he tries to bait, if he baits him, if he baits him a little bit, he can get that off because James is going to push off a lot, right, to try to get open. So that was smart. That was smart on Jason Kidd by switching. And you know Kyrie garnered him early, and then if it does come pick and roll,

Starting point is 01:11:09 now he doesn't have that time to just go by Luka as fast and then give James everything he wants. I noticed this with James, though. When James is being guarded by an actual hooper who knows his style, he defers. Not just that. You know Kyrie want that issue. He does, but Kyrie know what you doing. Kyrie is an elite Hooper. So he knows like, James want this.

Starting point is 01:11:33 He going to go left. Let me stay there. I'm here, James. What's up? What's next? What's your counter? What's your counter? Pass it.

Starting point is 01:11:41 But this is when, this is where I think I wish like that relationship with James was earlier. I mean, it's never too late, but this is when, in the summertime, he works on post play. Right? Now, if he has Kyrie, bring it down. Now you're closer with the same bag.

Starting point is 01:12:00 Now, all you do is, you can sit there and jake, boom, step back, and you're right at them, right? That one dribble, you're already at the rim. So this is how you counter a Kyrie movement, right? They put Kyrie on you. All right, pass, go right to the block. Now I'm going to iso right here, right?

Starting point is 01:12:19 Luka at top. Now you get to play the mismatch game, right? San Antonio, when I had Tony Parker on me. I didn't waste going pick and roll straight to the post I'm gonna go to the post now they're gonna say all right Bruce you get them now Bruce let's play pick and roll cuz I know you ain't good on the pick and roll so now pick and roll and I so Bruce at the top now they switch it go back to the post you have to have different packages for different players right now instead of now ends up happening is

Starting point is 01:12:45 you're walking the ball down. It's 15 on the clock. Now you got Kyrie. Now you got to call over. Get to Luka. Now it's 8 on the clock. 8 on the clock, you can only do one thing. You got to shoot. If you had Luka with the 16, now you can hit him, drive.

Starting point is 01:13:01 Now you got the lob. Now you got the pitch out. They take that away from you because you don't have that second bag for the smaller guards. And that would change his whole dynamic if he got that post game face up with that step back. Just jab, jab, step back. You can do like when D. Wade learned how to do it. Oh, we're going to post up and then shit, I'm going to just bank you from here. All day long. All day long, face up bank.

Starting point is 01:13:31 They were screaming behind the Dallas bench. Shoot! What were they screaming behind the Dallas bench? They were telling Russ to shoot every time. They were screaming it. Unfortunately. Everybody. I would have too.

Starting point is 01:13:41 They was like, shoot! And then if you go look at the stats. So why don't they play bones and rough struggling? I Don't know don't trip don't trust me yet Really? I don't but he was hoping in there. Yeah. No he was he'd been hoping it's a regular season with them These he's been in the dog. Oh, yeah something happened. That's what that man. Listen When you're when you're a coach and this is for a lot of coaches, either it's about you or it's about winning. Right?

Starting point is 01:14:11 It's only two. It's only two. You or winning. Meaning, if you say you're about winning, how we talk to each other shouldn't matter. Facts. Right? Because obviously I'm about winning too so if if we have a altercation you sub me out or i said something that shouldn't take away the winning aspect so a benching a player saying i don't fuck with him he's in a doghouse right all that just to try to prove a

Starting point is 01:14:38 point that is not winning basketball right so if i can hey fuck you fuck you and and then you like are you are you done saying fuck you ready are you ready to go back get your ass back in I love a coach like that I love that winning coach I love that it's not personal right it's not about my ego it's about winning I'm not going you late to the bus right and I have a no late policy you're still going to play the 48 minutes goddammit After the policy kicks in right I want to win. I'm not I'm not stupid right right, but I want to win motherfucker after the game We won a championship after we finish cheering motherfucker get on the line Do your suicides

Starting point is 01:15:22 That's after. After. Because you're telling your team that your pride is more important. And you're trying to set an example. Yeah, you're trying to set an example of risking wins, risking everything. Like there's no, you're late so this guy get to start. This guy didn't earn shit. No. Think about that with Russuss think about russ if russ go three four eleven or one for ten

Starting point is 01:15:47 right and he does not get replaced in his mind he don't have a replacement in his mind he can continue to keep going one for ten like he know he playing bad but think about when you know you playing bad and you got a replacement. Did Bones get in yesterday? At the end. Yeah. How many minutes at the end? Like three minutes. Last three minutes. You're down 30 all the way down there at halftime.

Starting point is 01:16:14 Look at that. But those are the things. If you see your team. Played seven minutes. You see your team not, they don't have it. Right? It's easy to say it now. But as a coach, I'm pretty sure you think, hey, we're going to make a comeback.

Starting point is 01:16:31 We're going to make a comeback. Sometimes you might need a fuck it dude. Where you just, ah. You know, at the end of the third, this player, hey, Bones, get in. Hey. Fuck shit up. Give me something. You got three minutes to give me something.

Starting point is 01:16:45 Fuck shit up. He might come in. They three minutes to give me something. Fuck shit up. He might come in. They don't have a scouting report for him. He might come in, do some shit. Boom. Six straight points. Now, we back in the game. Oh, boy.

Starting point is 01:16:58 Hardy from Dallas had 13 points in the last five minutes. No, with the headband. Hardy, number three. And he's a bucket getter. Yeah. And he is upset that he over there sitting down. I don't get to play Okay, when I get in it's up soon

Starting point is 01:17:13 I'm I mean, but you know, we're out there you got you those are the two auditioning But that's the same thing with that like with Cleveland. They didn't bring young fella up Imani Bates. They didn't I don't think so But those are the guys you need right now because you don't know when you're going to need a grenade. Facts. All right, she getting tight in here. You might. Over there. I got one. Boom.

Starting point is 01:17:30 Oh, shit. Hey, that worked. Because you got one, though. Knowing that you got a grenade. But that's the thing, too. I think they don't be wanting to work. They don't want to be like, oh, I told you so. Or hear that like, should have been.

Starting point is 01:17:42 That's the worst nightmare. It's like all that. Knowing you got a nigga that can help you over here. And then they actually come do it. And they in the doghouse with you. And you got to go get him. You hoping that he doesn't do what you thought he was going to. You're like, all right, I know you ain't going to give me nothing.

Starting point is 01:17:57 Then he go give you some shit. You're like, damn, I should have been playing. Prove me wrong. I want my players to prove me wrong. I don't think you can shoot. You come out and hit seven threes. Thank you, boy. Thank you.

Starting point is 01:18:08 I'm smart. Thank you. Y'all talked about Westbrook. Westbrook had a solid game one. I think he was five for nine from the field. Before the series, he's averaging six points, five rebounds, two assists, shooting 26% from the field, 25% from three, and 60% from the free throw line. Nasty.

Starting point is 01:18:23 So at this point, do you keep rolling with Westbrook, or do you look to some of these younger guys? I'm down two, three. I don't have, right now, I don't have the leisure to experiment, though. Yeah. Right? What could you lose from it? The series.

Starting point is 01:18:41 No, you're losing, you're going to lose six points. Only thing you're losing is, losing is Bones not coming in and giving you six. Bones can give you six with the second unit. Running with Norm and them, he can give you six. Give you two threes.

Starting point is 01:18:57 He can get to the free throw line. He can pick up full 94. He's going to hit that open shot. That's 29% from the three. Those are the things that you have to do. I can't say you have to earn my respect or earn playing

Starting point is 01:19:14 time and I'm never giving you a chance to earn them. Right? If I call you in, let's say Luka went out or Luka got two fouls. I know if Luka guards bones I know bones is blowing past this dude at it. Hey, you know what? Hey go in real quick

Starting point is 01:19:32 Let me make it out the last two minutes. Let me see what you got. There's two minutes What's gonna happen? Giga's on shooting from three like yo go get your bag like he can go get even gonna settle He not scared of that moment. I said I got that I want that you want me to do what yeah the bones play two games a series only averaging Five and a half minutes shooting 25% from 350 percent from the field. He's ever five and a half points in two assists Wait five points five points He needs to play come on man. Oh, he needs 50% from the field to bro. He need to play my guy You give me five minutes

Starting point is 01:20:04 I get five points. Put me in the fucking game. The only reason I say that is because it happened to me in real time. We're playing against Minnesota. Coach called me. Then in the middle of the game, dog, at the end of the third quarter, Gil get in. You know, he's just sitting there watching.

Starting point is 01:20:23 Yo, young fella, Gil, get in. He be talking to me. Did he say something? Yo, young fella, get in. Me? Me? I don't never go in. I don't never.

Starting point is 01:20:35 You know it's the third quarter. I never go in. Like, oh, shit. Third quarter. I got in in the third quarter. Bar racing like a motherfucker. Scored eight points. Mm.

Starting point is 01:20:44 Eight points last couple minutes tied the game up Right. They wasn't finished it tied the game up tie game sit on the fourth quarter because we lost she He fucking with me yeah, no, but that moment right that moment right there I put him in in the middle of the game for some shit I did last game. I played against, we were down to the Hawks by like 20-something, put the whole bench in, and we came back lost to a game winner. We're down 20-something.

Starting point is 01:21:16 Came all the way back, they had to put the starters back in, lost to Jason Terry hitting a game winner. The fans loved it, so we were down, put me in, gave that energy, tied the game up, got the clap, moved on. That right there is... That's all it takes, man. It'd be the assistant coach.

Starting point is 01:21:34 Hey, why don't we try Gil? It's always the assistant that be knowing. It's the assistants. If you can get that one assistant... That's on your side. Like, you good. Because the coach don't even really be thinking About the rotations like no help and who not it's the sisters is like hey man

Starting point is 01:21:50 But won't we try what we try last time you remember you try some shots like right now But that's that's why your coaching staff have to be Smart they have to be edgy So when I'm sitting there going with the fucking rotation that I normally go with and of course La a a a young fella look like he been he ready today He got he got in this eye today. See I didn't warm up. I seen him in warm-ups He warmed up hard put him in for two minutes. We need we need a little spark Like oh, all right. Let's try it. Let's try it right same thing with like a player like the masses, right?

Starting point is 01:22:23 We down and we need some some some shit to go Cuz you know that you know why this what it does we're at home Whenever he gets in the crowd gets high crazy. I might have to put him in get the building electrified But there's things like it's things like you have to be in the game in real time to really understand. There's these little moments that you

Starting point is 01:22:53 have to insert it that you don't know what's going to happen. A little boat hit and Giannis get in last minute, go out there, try to get a rebound and steal, get in there. The crowd gets to hyping. I can sub you out muffle the foul get in there they get a tip don't yeah the crowd gets the hyping I can serve you out put the starters back in they feel that vibe here we go that's all we needed so let's talk a little Kawhi during the game Kawhi was spotted by Melissa Steddon on

Starting point is 01:23:17 the Clippers bench and all he could do was watch. Who? I'm just saying, when we shot the video, he looked frustrated being sidelined, unable to help his team. So Clippers won their two games in the series without Kawhi. Led a lot of people, and we had this discussion to see how important would he be to this series. But did this game show how important Kawhi is to the Clippers? Remember what we said, though. When they won game one, then they won

Starting point is 01:23:48 game... Three. Three? Without him? Game one and four. One and one and four. Yeah. And PG and James both hooped out. And we were like, hey, look, PG, Kawhi, you need to take the back seat right now, because we don't know when we'll need you to

Starting point is 01:24:03 take the front seat. Now we've seen this game play out without him i might have been fool's gold why do we bring you back in to say we need to shake something up now because it didn't can he come back because it didn't work no i don't think it's not fool's gold it's not fool's gold it's you know this is you know james harden has to really like this this is on him in a sense where you you don't have you we don't you don't have the luxury all right you don't you don't have the luxury not to take 20 shots i'm sorry not you you know the other two you know the other two are taking combined 50 shots right so the 50 is going to come from you two you two got to match them too then russell and zubac they get to fill in and beat their position but if you're saying all right i'm not going to shoot today rush you got

Starting point is 01:24:58 to match kai reed that's unfair to russ yep right you know russ has a matchup and he has his second unit to to to control. That means, you know, James, you have to be matching Luca at all times. He taking shooting. You got to take it. You got to do the same thing. We have to accept James for who he is. This is historical James. Now, you know why? You know why? James has a playoff record, isn't it, of nine games in the playoffs where he's shot more than ten times, and he's only made two or fewer field goals, nine different times in the playoffs.

Starting point is 01:25:37 So what Shaq was saying last night was, James, this is completely unacceptable because you ain't taking enough shots, you're not acting like this shit is really on the line and what you're giving us is the James Harden playoff vibe that never really got to the second or the third round because You fucking choked up in the last two motherfucking games of the fucking eliminator or to tie it up You just didn't show fuck up, and we still don't know why you do this. Yes, I think, you know, to be honest, it's something that he has to really look back,

Starting point is 01:26:11 and why does he go, like, you know, we don't know what's going on behind closed doors. You know how athletes... They're calling you Statman in the chat. I just want to point that out. I've been hanging with Gil. You know how players get, man. You say something to a player, like, oh, man, you need to pass the ball around.

Starting point is 01:26:26 Or you read something about being a pure point guard and leading the team. And sometimes those things creep in and we got to prove, like, I can get 10 assists. I can get 15 assists. That's true. Right? That happens. That's right. And sometimes, and that's why my phone was like that.

Starting point is 01:26:43 I don't want to talk to no media. Don't talk to me before the game. I don't want, whatever you're thinking, I don't want it to creep into what my mind is saying right now. Right? So if he's going to the game thinking he needs to get 10 assists, no the fuck you don't. You need 40. Right? For y'all to beat them.

Starting point is 01:27:01 Because I can tell you this, Luka, Luka ain't trying to get 20 assists. He ain't going to never go for 10 points, 20 assists. He's trying to get 30. We are talking he's having a bad series and the motherfucker's averaging 29. Right? So therefore, we know where his mindset is. You need to go. I don't know if you need to pop in the highlight tape.

Starting point is 01:27:26 There's a whole bunch of them on YouTube. There's some shit on YouTube. All you do is just type in your name. James Harden Buckets. You're going to see a whole lot of good shit, right? All you do is just look at it. Facts. Before the game.

Starting point is 01:27:39 Facts. Hey, look, you only took three shots in the first quarter. Hey, give me that iPad, motherfucker. You ain't doing nothing with it. Let me see that. James Harden. There we go. There we go.

Starting point is 01:27:49 There we go. Go in the game. Do everything this motherfucker was doing over here. Dropping people, looking at them fall. Do that, because that's the only way you're getting out of the series. You're not getting out of the series taking nine shots. I don't know who you think you have on your team with you. You can't afford to take nine shots

Starting point is 01:28:08 when you have the ability to score 30. So you think he's out there people pleasing? Yeah. Yeah. Why and who? Just... Why and who? Just...

Starting point is 01:28:19 Why? Just because of what's been said. No different than anybody. When you don't... Same thing when Russ was by himself he didn't have KD and he went out and had that 31, 11, 11

Starting point is 01:28:31 and then Paul George comes and then he has 21. I have Paul George. I need to get him in the buckets. We do it to ourselves. And James sometimes, alright, you know, I got to get Paul, I i gotta get this person off when paul's gonna do what paul's gonna do yeah the game dictates remember paul is paul is

Starting point is 01:28:51 the guy who's he's creating his own shot the only way the rest of the team actually functions is you when you drive and give zubac the easy buckets when When you, Terrence Mann, the other players rely on you being ultra aggressive. So, nine shots that first quarter. First quarter. First quarter. For the game? No, if I read and say,

Starting point is 01:29:16 all right, I ain't even got to look at the final score. I just look at the stat sheets. All right, he took 12, nine. Oh, they must have got their ass. Look, you didn't even take enough shots to even put yourself in the category of winning. But we down 20. At some point, as an elite hooper, you have to be like, I got to step this up.

Starting point is 01:29:35 I got to shoot more shots. Even him and Paul in the huddle has got to be, hey, we got to turn it up. We got to turn it up, bro. Let's turn it up. Let's turn it up. Let's go back to the playground with these niggas. We got to do something because if we come out and we only shot nine for the whole game and we lost by 30, man, that's embarrassing, bro.

Starting point is 01:29:55 So we will see if the Clippers can right the ship in game six. 25 and 25 shots each. 25 and 25 shots each. That's the only way because the other two is going... Kyrie didn't have... The reason Kyrie didn't take 20-some shots is because he didn't have to. We up. We up. I just keep... I'll pick and

Starting point is 01:30:13 probe when I need to shoot other than that. We up. So, shit. Ain't no point in getting ultra aggressive right now. Before we move on, we asked the chat two poll questions. We said, would you bench Russ? 57% said yes. Bam. And said, did Game 5 prove the Clippers need Kawh bench Russ 57% said yes and said the game 5 proved the Clippers need Kawhi 68% said yes we will see what happens in game 6 if he's available or not if the Clippers will be heading from Dallas to

Starting point is 01:30:34 Cancun let's head over I know damn well if Dallas wins brother I know that I'm putting up I'm putting Cancun in LA.A. I'm buying a billboard right off the month. I mean, they can fly from Dallas to Cancun right after. Right after the game. They'll be signed. I already have signed, but I will put it right outside a new stadium. A billboard. Clippers to Cancun.

Starting point is 01:30:58 In the heart of Englewood. Let's head over to the Eastern Conference. The Celtics were back in Boston for game five against the Heat with a comfortable 3-1 lead. Made light work of the defending Eastern Conference champ with a gentleman's sweep to advance to the second round. We're not going to waste y'all time showing the highlights. Derek White followed up his playoff career high 38 points in game four with 25 points in the series. Clencher going 8 for 13 from the field, 5% from three.

Starting point is 01:31:20 Jalen Brown finished with 25 points and 6 rebounds. Jason Tatum had 16 points and 12 rebounds. The Celtics had an 18-point lead after the first quarter, led by as much as 37 in the game. Now they await the winner of the Cavs Magic in the second round. But after the game, Jason Tatum was asked about his Celtics squad and word going around that they can get out tough and they're not tough enough, and this is what he had to say.

Starting point is 01:31:43 The world we live in, there's got to be something wrong with every team. That's what they like to say and you can see how talented we are. I think it's lazy or easy to say that teams can out-tough us.

Starting point is 01:32:00 I never understood that. What's the definition of tough? Having the louder guys on your team? Like, that shit don't make you tough. And everybody has their own definition of what toughness is. Playing the right way, showing up every day to do your job without complaining. I think that's being tough. That sweater is nasty. Like, good nasty or bad nasty? Bad. And I like that sweater being tough. That sweater is nasty.

Starting point is 01:32:25 Like good nasty or bad nasty? Bad. Then I like that sweater. You liked it? It looked all right. Bro, he'd be very... Y'all worried about everything but what's up? Bro, they be dressing him very colorful.

Starting point is 01:32:35 I don't be judging nobody's motherfucking dress code or no motherfucking wardrobe. Y'all motherfucking be dressing my... When motherfuckers judge what I'm wearing, I'm looking at you fuckin' crazy. I like it. Motherfucker's looking at my... I mean, he's into fashion. I'm like, that's nice of a sweater. Look at you. You judge what a bitch wearing.

Starting point is 01:32:50 Don't be judging what the fuck I'm wearing, man. So fashion aside, what'd you think about Tatum's comments? No, he is right about the definition of tough. Like, you don't have to be the loudest. Like, you just gotta get it done. Like you said, just get it done. It doesn't matter, you know, if you rah-rah or all that. It's just, you know, they'll show their toughness when they hold up the trophy or in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Starting point is 01:33:13 Which, I mean, all signs are pointing to. I mean, when it comes to just the big bad wolf, to them, Miami was considered a big bad wolf. Like, they got out tough. So the fact that they They beat them by 22 points a game And those four wins. I mean it was like it wasn't even in a series. Let's just be honest They was there was no there was no part of the game besides tip ball that Miami thought they can win the game Right. They got manhandled every single game like they need that the game Nate Miami won it was miracle they had to make history

Starting point is 01:33:50 right it was a history other than that you lost about 20 20 14 34 like yeah at this point y'all shouldn't been in the playoffs cuz this is the this is the worst beatdown in in the playoffs well I mean don't have Jimmy but I'm just telling not the way not the way not the. Well, I mean, don't have Jimmy Butler. I don't care. I'm just telling you. Not the way you... Didn't I say when Jimmy had the... When Jimmy put that... The troll. The troll don't let us win one.

Starting point is 01:34:13 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like... We know what happened to them when it did it. So it's going to happen to Sam. It's the karma. Unnecessary. And you're not playing. Why would you do that?

Starting point is 01:34:22 I mean, but they weren't supposed to. Yeah, yeah. They weren't supposed to be there. But let's talk about Tatum. Since joining the league, Jason Tatum has the most playoff wins and most playoff points of any player. Celtics have made the playoffs in each of his seven seasons, won finals and four conference finals appearances during that time frame. But when you look around the league, he seems like a guy,

Starting point is 01:34:39 we talked about this with the MVP race and the traditional criteria, Celtics were the number one team in the league by an extremely comfortable margin. Why doesn't Tatum give more love for all the success he's had? And what would a ring do to solidify him as an elite player in the league? Would a ring solidify him as an elite player in the league? I think from the optics, I think he's in this rare lane

Starting point is 01:35:04 of young success without the ring, right? Like, you know, Magic won a ring when he first got in. Bird won a ring within his first couple years, right? Tim Duncan won a ring in the first couple years. So usually, you know, those early picks, they go on bottom-feeding teams, Tim Duncan won a ring in the first couple years. So usually, you know, those early picks,

Starting point is 01:35:29 they go on bottom-feeding teams and it takes them a couple years to build up their team. He's had success. He's been to the finals. He's won 50-something. Like, he's done had all the success but no ring

Starting point is 01:35:41 and I think people are holding him to his success and not winning. They're like, why haven't you won? Well, shit, I went to the finals at 23,

Starting point is 01:35:50 22 years old. Let me know who's went there. And then you can buy all magic, this and this. They have the ring to, you know, they got that early ring to say, these are champions.

Starting point is 01:36:00 So the fact that he hasn't had a champion, but he's the youngest person to have this much success He's kind of frowned upon for some years. I don't know 26 years old. Yeah, huh? He's still only 26 years old He's a prodigy first and foremost right st. Louis He has an expectation I think going to Boston and then rebuilding that team up to where it is now I don't think there was an expectation of a ring. I think the people who have an expectation of him are unrealistic

Starting point is 01:36:29 simply because of who is this competition that have been winning rings? Steph, LeBron, Giannis won one. We don't know where the fuck that came from because we wasn't expecting it at all. Joker, he won one. We wasn't expecting that. That came out of nowhere. So every other championship beyond those two have been Bron or Steph, right? This is your competition that you're going up against and you're like, all right, I'm third fiddle to these guys at this age.

Starting point is 01:36:59 Let's wait till they wash out, right? Let's wash them out. Who's left for the expectation to win the championship now? Me, Ant-Man. Ja, if he put himself in position to get a championship-type team, it's us, Luka, it's us three. NBA. NBA. It's a changing of the guard where I think Jason Tatum's in front of all of them because he's been there earlier.

Starting point is 01:37:24 Now that I've been here and when they was here and I went up against these guys. I've been here I'm proving to get here with a young team as the leader Once LeBron get out one Steph is moved and we got that that gray hair old shit out the way It's just that them young it's just that the mother guys they come in though, but they those are individuals We talk about the team him Lee number one team Boston like he the team. Him leading this number one team from Boston, he put them in position to be number one. We juggernauts out here. We should walk through.

Starting point is 01:37:50 We should walk through. He has to win a ring. I think he has to win a ring this year. But do you already consider him elite in this league? That's the part I'm most important. Elite? No, he's been elite since he's been elite. Oh, yeah, elite.

Starting point is 01:37:57 He's a prodigy. Oh, yeah, elite. So what does that ring actually do? The ring for him puts him into the category where he's been tiptoeing around right the same same rate like when magic wanted the first year right his first year he he already got put into a category right which takes usually guys five six years to get put in a category right same thing with duncan once you get ring, it puts you into a certain category. He went to the

Starting point is 01:38:26 Eastern Conference Finals as a rookie. Yeah. He's been to, how many years? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. He's been there four times. This is going to be five. So he's going to have been to the Eastern Conference Finals five times.

Starting point is 01:38:42 That doesn't happen for anyone. The only people that's happened to, they won championships. And LeBron. But he's getting that kind of... I'm about to say, he's about to start getting that. He's getting that treatment without the LeBron

Starting point is 01:38:58 bag that came. That name. That backing. So he's getting that same treatment like it don't he's it doesn't mean nothing yeah you went there all right you've been there four times you ain't winning shit like the way hold on dog you can't do that because the people you're gonna compare to got there after 26 27 they got there if not they already had some young they already had an older guy with the torch and then when you was ready here it is he didn't have that

Starting point is 01:39:26 he didn't have that older guy to say all right young fella we done won a couple we done got there now it's your turn he will be getting the torch right now we will be judging him for his greatness right now we did that at 19 that's which was unfair right you said he's the youngest what so uh in in this uh the last seven seasons, most playoff wins, most points. But besides what? Magic? How many players can win? Magic?

Starting point is 01:39:55 Kobe? I mean, Tim was a little older when he came into the league, right? He was four years out of college. So, I I Mean just off You're gonna say what LeBron magic Mmm, they probably have the most playoff experience by the age of what 26 right? Yeah Yeah, all right, it's gonna I, yeah, he got a win at this Got a winner, but I'm saying it's like

Starting point is 01:40:27 When we think about champions besides magic, right? There's not really a lot of young champs that got young early being dominant themselves. Yeah, right so It's it's like we're so we're so We it's like we forget what made the greats the great. And we're comparing the greats. We're comparing these young kids to the greats when the greats was them. It was grinding. They grinded for it.

Starting point is 01:40:54 They had to grind for it. And his grind, even though that team, that team wasn't an Eastern Conference champion, Eastern Conference champion team, they got there. Yep. Right. But it's time. If you really think about it, like you said Steph gone Brian gone KK on Katie Katie as far as the playoffs concern. Mm-hmm the juggernauts are out of there Center with the story the storyline guys. Mm-hmm are gone No one in the West Coast. And that's why I said there's still one in the West.

Starting point is 01:41:25 Is Ant-Man in Minnesota and Boston in the finals? Because that's the only real storybook that can line up for the next years down the line. Boston versus Minnesota.

Starting point is 01:41:34 Ant-Man versus Tatum. You don't feel like Joker and the Nuggets? That's it. I think they're there. That's the dynamic that Ant-Man's gonna have to overcome,

Starting point is 01:41:43 just like Jordan and the Pistons. Right? It's like Jordan gotta get past these guys who are proven, and once I get past them, y'all, cake. Every season, we know how to beat you. You may beat us because you're good enough. You're a joker. Y'all won. But we know how to get over this hump.

Starting point is 01:42:01 Now, we just want that and go over there. See, Ant-Man's in the same situation. You have this and man Shay not so much because he's 26 so him and Tatum is the same age. Mmm Right, so you see how you see the difference right on the some they're both the same age But one is done has so much success that you like all your old 26 that part But one has had so much success that you're like, oh, you're old. Motherfucker, I'm only 26. That part. But I'm only 26. That's what it is, too.

Starting point is 01:42:26 Shea 25 will be 26 in July. Because when you say four, Eastern Conference finals is like, damn. Shea 25 will be 26 in July. But same thing. Damn, he went to four? Yeah. It's like, damn, only 26 is like, yeah. You do look like, in the basketball world, we're looking at you like, yo, you kind of old.

Starting point is 01:42:39 You OG. You OG. Yeah, he is OG. He definitely is OG. And that's the problem. When these guys, they're so young, and they get to these finals, right? They don't have the experience to win it. They were just good enough to get there.

Starting point is 01:42:53 Right? If Ant-Man gets to the finals, let's say he was on the East, and he got to the final to play Jokic. We know you're about to get your ass smacked. Like when Braun and that Cleveland team win to face the Spurs. You have no chance of winning doll I'm sorry. That's it. That's a well-oiled machine, but just getting there was enough This is what the future and not if you want to knock them do it you get oh you got

Starting point is 01:43:15 It's not they'll still hang that over is that that's what I said like right now like what Tatum's doing what Ant-Man is doing What shades it's just great It's hard for young success, for young players to be successful. Because when y'all get picked one, two, three, four, you don't supposed to be good for at least four or five years. Your teams don't be supposed to be good until you...

Starting point is 01:43:35 There's only some special ones that go into a situation and y'all are like, magic, bird. Even Jordan had to grind. People right even jordan had to grind people don't jordan had to grind seven years yeah he had to grind but that is the normal way right that is the normal way you have to grind get your teams tweak them tweak them tweak them now your championship ready and when you get there you're gonna dominate your team peaks as you peak

Starting point is 01:44:04 yep once you start peaking that's when you're like oh your team peaks as you peak. Yep. Once you start peeking That's when you like oh my team ready to take it. I don't think I'm ready And that's why when you was talking about I will break it. I will break up. I can't okay because they're not even they're not even the the the the Pippen and Jordan yet They still they they still they have the playoff experience, but they still don't have it yet for me to break them up. This is them in 90. This is Pippen, Jordan

Starting point is 01:44:32 in 90 right now. 90, yeah, this ain't For Pippen still think he better than Jordan. This ain't the breakfast club yet. This ain't us three right here. Let's go. We're going to work out every month. This ain't them yet. This is one real ass whooping.

Starting point is 01:44:48 Yeah. This is if they got to the championship last year and they got, they ass whooped. Right? By Denver. 4-1. This is when, oh, shit, hey, whoa. We not having this. No, yeah, let's get to it.

Starting point is 01:45:01 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We not experiencing this shit again. So they're one ass whooping away from going in the summer and said we deep we don't demon time. Yeah, fuck right That's why I said this is them around 89 90 that one good ass whooping to say y'all we done with this We we done with this shit. Let's go ahead turn I can say if it don't happen this year I can see him doing it. I do I feel like they I think they're going to get to the championship and Denver is going to put an ass-whooping on them

Starting point is 01:45:27 and make them ready for next year. And then come back and... And come back and just start running the table. I can see that. Because Dan gives credit to Denver going back-to-back, right? Being able to say, we ain't paper champs. We've really got a well-oiled machine. And then Minnesota being Minnesota.

Starting point is 01:45:41 You could say that he was fluky with the A.C. making the finals, but now we took down the number one team in the league. But on the other side now, the Celtics are able to dethrone the Nuggets, whoever ends up going to the finals from the West. Now we got the NBA back, in a sense. We got the East Coast competing now for something that they deem to be the best team, getting the championship. Then you got Embiid coming back saying,

Starting point is 01:46:06 all right, I beg to differ. You got Ant-Man coming back if Denver beat them. I beg to fucking differ. Shea, I beg to fucking differ. We all over here like, yeah, get the Bron-em, get Steph-em, y'all move around. We next. We got next.

Starting point is 01:46:19 I don't care who got now. We got next. When Dwayne Wade won that championship, not his first one with Shaq, Bron-em, they was all like 27 28 29, right? When they won that championship in Miami with the heat it was yeah, yeah, right? Yeah, see that's that's that age, right? That's that age. I'm looking for that's why I said I'm keeping Tate. I'm keeping Tatum and in

Starting point is 01:46:43 Brown I need to see what they look like at 27, 28, 29. I need to see that if I'm Boston. If you do not see them in that late 29, 31, if you don't see that, you did yourself a

Starting point is 01:46:59 disjustice because you done planted a tree. It done gave you some fruit. And before it really just showed you, y'all can live off us. You cut the tree down and you're going back to replant. You're never going to get this again. It's facts.

Starting point is 01:47:16 And it's a special tree. It's a special tree. You got guys who dominated early. And now they're about the feed you real good Don't be stupid. Damn. Don't be stupid and a lot of them motherfuckers do that. Oh, yeah, they top the tree They're gonna eat before it blossoms. Yeah. Mmm. Well, let's not on that a lot of teams Okay, okay. Okay. See early with James in them. Uh-huh. Okay, um, I Think I think I think Pat Riley in Miami. Yeah.

Starting point is 01:47:49 I think Pat, when he let LeBron go, I don't know what he was thinking, but the fact that you knew his work ethic. How long has he been gone? Eight years? Yeah. How many championships do I have if he stayed here? Ten years. Ten years. How many more? Yeah, you're right. How many championships do I have if he stayed here? Ten years. Ten years.

Starting point is 01:48:05 How many more? Yeah, you're right. How many more? All the chips he said he was going to get when he was down there. We should get six, seven. That's what I'm saying. How many championships does he win if I did? If my ego went out the window, my ego went out the window,

Starting point is 01:48:18 and I kept him in Miami, how many more championships with the culture and the people that's coming through what we would have done in that system the coaches deaf, huh? KB and Steph They drop that tree. It is yeah They chopped the fuck up that chick. Oh be a shot. Oh man. What's that? Oh, yeah shit Shit Lakers when they won a championship and decided we're going to let everybody go? What about the Pistons? The 2020 team? Huh?

Starting point is 01:48:49 What about the 0-4 Pistons? No, they tried to run it back. I'm talking about after that, after the running back. They got back. They got back there in the next season, but then they chopped it. That Indiana team. So let's talk a little bit about future of the league. Indiana, where they, yeah, yeah.

Starting point is 01:49:04 And the rookie of the year. Wimby lived up to the hype in his rookie campaign, will likely be rookie of the year. League is capitalizing next season by giving the Spurs two games in Paris against the Pacers in January 2025. So we have a mostly fans question from under y'all. Both the games against the Pacers? Yeah, so it'll be two games against the Pacers in Paris. Why not Minnesota?

Starting point is 01:49:24 I'm going to say, yeah, that's Paris. Why not Minnesota? I'm going to say, yeah, that's weak. Why not Minnesota? We said the same thing when it was the Nets-Cavs this year. It's like, okay, you wasted your gold. The Paris game this year was Nets-Cavs. They said the Nets and the Cavs to Paris. You're wasting an opportunity. Minnesota, there's a dude that's on, he's from Paris too.

Starting point is 01:49:44 Rudy Gobert. You have him in Rudy Gobert. Maybe they know something. But you have two. Or you do a four team, right? You have another Paris dude in Washington. You get the four team Paris dude to have a game.

Starting point is 01:50:00 Woohoo! But we have a mostly fans question from underdog user Zoe Witt. How the fuck be running the... The marketing. The... You have half the national team in the NBA. You know, you just

Starting point is 01:50:15 figure out, get your little four-man game and put them there and let them play the... You going to Paris for the Spurs and the Indiana Pacers? No. I think it'll be Paris for the Spurs and the Indiana Pacers. No. I think it'll be time for that audience to come see Wimby. It'll be great.

Starting point is 01:50:31 What I'm saying is, there's a national team, right? I have all the top Paris dudes that's on that national team. The country comes and see them. Yeah, Wimby versus Goldberg, Wimby versus Goldberg. Reading versus Goldberg. Bailey, Bailey, Biley. Bilal Kulibeli. Kulibeli.

Starting point is 01:50:52 You let him, that's how you do it. They're trying to get on me, whatever. Y'all pronounce it phonetically. Oh, man. We speak English. Somebody, somebody. Sade, it's Sadie. We have a mostly fans question from underdog user Zo Wick.

Starting point is 01:51:07 That's like going to Serbia, but Yogi's is not Yeah, exactly Fucking Lakers versus Very great market in there. God damn it. Who has the best case to be the face of the league in five years? When be Ant-Man or Luca Wimby for me when be yeah, when be and next five years The next five the next five years between those three. This is an underdog if when the if we stay healthy yet him if I could see Ant-Man. How old is that man? 22 is it gonna be a man? Yes can be it., it could be Ant-Man, but if Wimby stay healthy though. I say Wimby because the national, but America, I mean it's- Wimby feels like the global.

Starting point is 01:51:51 They're going to market him, university, obviously the alien just, what he's doing at his height. Can you imagine a grown ass Anthony Edwards? No, I get it. I'm an Ant-Man fan. Grown ass Anthony Edwards. Yeah, has a Euro ever been the face of the NBA? All right. No. So even when Steve Nash was winning MVP, still wasn't?

Starting point is 01:52:11 No. Nor Dirk. Kobe was still playing. Nor Dirk. Nor Dirk. Okay. Okay. Shit, not even Giannis when he won?

Starting point is 01:52:19 The face? At that one time? No. So let's talk a little bit about Ant-Man and go back first by sweeping the Suns The Wolves got their first playoff series win since 2004 after clinching the series and had major love for his favorite player Kevin Durant But also said the game is the game Kevin Durant for sure. It's my favorite player of all time If that's the best feeling like I said last time is the best feeling in the world man to you know Send him home or out whatever you want to call it.

Starting point is 01:52:47 I don't even think I outplayed him. He played great throughout the whole series, but, you know, my team outplayed his. And, you know, to come out victorious is the best feeling ever to beat him because he's my favorite player of all time. So, I just like the hat, too. It's just the whole. You got the tank top. The white bit. They say he was walking out sagging, like, pants all down. Where did he get the tank top. They might be worth it They was walking out sagging like pants all that like the beater from the I need no need to eat those steel

Starting point is 01:53:10 He dressed like he just got out make those Not that one that looked like the one from early 90s dog Was this ring when you wash it a little bit tighter Yeah, and the one that's like... The Fruit of the Blues? Yeah. Flexing and ripping through. And when's the shrink? When you wash it. Yeah. Get a little bit tighter. When that shrink, when you wash it.

Starting point is 01:53:31 Yeah, you wash it, get a little bit tighter. Yeah, that'd be long. You already know. Yeah, 12 for $4. Pack of 12 for $2? Yeah. They 24 now. Pack of 24 for $5.

Starting point is 01:53:39 Oh, pack of 24 for $5. Yeah. So for the series against the Suns, Ant averaged 31 points, 8 rebounds, 6 assists. And in 15 career playoff games, he's averaging 29 points, close to 6 rebounds, 5 assists. Again, as we mentioned, he's only 22 years old. But interesting tidbit, according to NBA PR, Ant has gained over 100 million views

Starting point is 01:53:57 across NBA social platforms since the playoff started, second to only LeBron. He's also gained the most followers on IG during the playoffs. So we have these conversations about superstars, megastars all the time. But did this playoff performance cement Ant as a superstar in the league? I mean, with the other stats, the

Starting point is 01:54:16 social media, the shoe campaign, I mean, all of it, right? You're talking about the shoes went crazy, right? Even when they decided we're going to drop low tops, I'm pretty sure they didn't have no intentions to drop low tops until they seen how them high tops was moving like crazy. So the fact that all of it was hitting McDonald's, right? His shoes, what everybody wanted.

Starting point is 01:54:42 The dunks, right? The play, it all plays into all of it. And he's gonna be featured in Paris, he's gonna be featured coming into next season, right? And if he ends up getting to the championship, that's gonna be a whole nother storm of greatness they're gonna put on him. And I I feel like baseline now just what he's done so far no matter what happens for the remainder of the playoffs He's gotten to that level now. Let's say they can get the Nuggets

Starting point is 01:55:14 Get to the Western Conference Finals. We've reached the finals You know he's gonna be feeling a type of way they come in and they see right now It's all around, marketing his team, how they're showing him off and everything like that. So I'm excited for him. But yeah, if he can get to that finals or that Western Conference finals, yeah, I mean, it's gonna be a big summer for him this summer though. You know what I'm excited for?

Starting point is 01:55:41 I just realized that Magic City just like one of our posts. Oh They watching You said Magic City Magic City. Are you going for the wings or for the what? Magic City got so far away. Yes, and man doing his thing, but we do it. I think We do it. I think we do it our thing Magic City watching You know it's time it is you're in the live from a doing and we can you know we can make that happen We need to go to ATL. I'm just saying they watching they watching this now

Starting point is 01:56:17 So during a recent interview with Malika Andrews and Austin Rivers and said he's only reached 40% of his potential. He said 40%. 40, I don't even know. 22, not even. Not even 40. Not even. Hell no. He didn't even know what he can do yet. No, he did not know what he could do yet. You ain't even worked hard enough yet to even understand.

Starting point is 01:56:40 When it get automatic, when he start feeling that bitch get automatic, where that motherfucker is just... I clicked in. I can tell you he ain't even hit it because he's not even playing. He's not even playing like he's done really tapped into spots. When he starts going into the game, Jordan, when he starts doing little shit like this, this shit easy. When you start doing shit that just like,

Starting point is 01:57:05 all right, this is too easy for him. He hasn't played like that yet. He hasn't even 40% off. You ain't even going to be at 40% when you get 25. Damn. Okay. We thought Kobe was Kobe, right? And then he pulls out the 30, the 81.

Starting point is 01:57:23 He was just tapping into. And that was before 24. Yeah, he was just tapping into his ability to understand, like, oh, I got, oh, shit, I got all of this. Wow. Right? LeBron's still unlocking the rest of his ability at this age. Literally. I was going to say, like, when did LeBron hit that switch for you?

Starting point is 01:57:43 When LeBron hit it? Probably when he got to Miami. Okay. When he got to Miami, he unlocked some more. Right? That's what I'm saying. You can see it when they're unlocking stuff, when they're like, all right, it's getting to. Like, Jason Tatum is still at 40%.

Starting point is 01:58:04 He ain't at 40%. He's at 40%. He's got to be at 40%, maybe at 40 per he ain't that much he's at 40 we gotta be at 40 maybe doesn't say that he's at 40% right now when you start palming that bitch and looking at motherfuckers which we see flashes of when you start waving motherfuckers off with the palm and when it's moving around everybody moving around It's like when you do like it's like like like we'll say Denver as a team They probably had 66 when they can just say Are y'all ready? Yeah, I let's just turn it on everybody start looking at each other. Let's go. I mean they just that's what they be Doing in the second half just but Joker literally be palming that bitch like oh y'all ready Y'all ain't ready yet. All right, let me get it.

Starting point is 01:58:45 I got mine. I'm ready. I'm always ready with my shit. That's why I said, like, right now, when you think about LeBron doing what he's doing, he's unlocked. He's unlocked that what a lot of greats ain't, right? Where it became more about the body itself, like the longevity of my limbs to sustain it the rest of my career. That's what, like, first it becomes, okay, I done tapped into my skill. Then I need to tap into the nuances of the game. Then I need to sustain my greatness right then it's like okay I don't sustained it now I

Starting point is 01:59:27 have to keep it at a certain level right he's not he ain't even tapped into all his moves yet and that's this he's a baby that's the thing that is a baby that's the thing we're criticizing him is because you know that he's unlocked the takeover mode. If you're in my player and you've already unlocked all the achievements, you're player 99 already, and it's like you get to the point where you're in the last four or five games of the season and you know you got this player who can literally run down the court and score the ball at any given way that you need it.

Starting point is 02:00:04 His jump shot is there, 40% from three. He's got all the bag shit in the layup shit he can turn and shoot he's worked on the post he can get you in the post he can turn and fade on you now all the shit that he didn't have before he's unlocked now so it's like the longevity helps him with the eldership i'm an elder now i'm the nigga pie made with the fucking beard. When you come over here and train with me. And I stand on your sword and shit. He the nigga that's like. I know all the shit that you need to do.

Starting point is 02:00:34 Because I've unlocked it. But like I said before. That's the advantage and the curse. Because when you don't take advantage of it. And you do get 4-1. It's because you didn't use to unlock all your unlocked abilities. Like you could literally have won the series

Starting point is 02:00:50 if you just turn it on and be selfish the whole time. Just run everybody over, score it every fucking time, AAD, move the fuck around, give me the bitch, I gotta mismatch every fucking time, I'm shooting 40 from three, I gotta hit this shot, I gotta do everything, regardless of how tired it's gonna make me at my age if i can do it that's what i always said if you can do it my nigga do that shit i don't think ant-man understands

Starting point is 02:01:12 he's technically jordan rookie season right now 22 22 jordan turned 22 in his his rookie season right so when you're talking about unlocking some shit, you think you're at 40. Jordan's first six years, he was still he didn't unlock nothing yet. 88? He's like, oh shh. New Jordan. Let me go in the weight room.

Starting point is 02:01:38 Facts. Right? Unlocking. My first three-peat. I unlocked some shit. I retired. Came back. Unlocked some shit. I retired, came back, unlocked some shit. Right? You're Jordan. You're rookie season. You're rookie season Jordan.

Starting point is 02:01:51 Right? You ain't even tapped into the 37 a game yet. You ain't even tapped into it. And the 37 was just all natural. That wasn't even the dominant Jordan. Yeah, that wasn't weight room Jordan. That wasn't. Even though 37 was Michael Jordan's highest, that wasn't like me that wasn't weight room Jordan that wasn't like that even though 37 was Michael Jordan's highest that was

Starting point is 02:02:07 baby Jordan That's crazy. That was just I'm just I'm just more athletic everybody I'm that wasn't that wasn't that wasn't the surgical do know that wasn't just bazooka I got the bazooka. I do blue blue blue. That's just a dude who just got I just I'm just blowing up everything That's not the dude. It got, I'm just blowing up everything. That's not the dude that's. That's no structure, Mike. Yeah. So we talk about that.

Starting point is 02:02:28 Even Lucas and that same man. Y'all are baby boys right now. Y'all at 25%. So we talk about the Ant-Man, MJ comparison. Shout out to M-Grad. The first person that I saw made that comparison when Ant was in high school. Got a lot of heat for it. Now everybody's now taking it and ran with it. But Gil, to your point, same

Starting point is 02:02:48 age as Jordan as a rookie, when you look at MJ as a rookie and Ant, man, where he is now, same age with obviously several years of NBA experience, how do you compare those two players? I can't. I got to go back and look. I'm going to just be honest. I got to go back and just really look at the nuances of Jordan's game back then. Right? I mean, he did average, what, 28?

Starting point is 02:03:19 Right? He was third in scoring as a rookie. So, I mean, you're coming into a league and you're a rookie and you're averaging about, what, 38, right? So his rookie year, he averaged 28.2. Yeah. Playing 38 minutes a game,

Starting point is 02:03:38 28, seven rebounds, six assists. Yeah, so just... Finished sixth in MVP voting. Just what I'm saying. Just when you think about just who they are right now, I mean, besides the newest skills, I'm pretty sure Jordan's team was a lot less as... Yeah, he didn't... So it was really hard.

Starting point is 02:04:00 So from there, just watching when they attacked, how they looked. But that's just a heart. It's something where you got to sit there and look at every game before you just throw out who is more polished or better at that age. But we can make that comparison, though. I'm saying it's at enough of a level now. We're making a comparison like that young? For me, it's a testament to how great.

Starting point is 02:04:23 You remember how unfair that is for us to continue to do that. But I'm not saying he's going to be MJ, going to get the accolades, whatever. Which is what you're doing. But I'm saying player for player, I'm looking at this guy. You're comparing him to who we consider to go. But that's why I didn't say the goal. That's why I said rookie Jordan.

Starting point is 02:04:38 Yeah. Right? That's what I said. When we say he's like. From an age standpoint. Even that. Because the skill set of Jordan that he had, if you go look at the skill set,

Starting point is 02:04:46 it's still unfair because Mike was coming from a structured situation. North Carolina. I get it. Where he was basically chained up and got freed. Django. And once he was freed,

Starting point is 02:04:59 he was like, this is what I can do out here. Y'all can't fuck with me. So Ant-Man don't really have that leniency where he played in the league for a few years. He didn't have no change on him in college. He would still be able to do what he was doing. But what Gil's lining up is that 22 to age gap where it's like rookie Jordan came in and his skill set was so raw and so they never seen it before.

Starting point is 02:05:24 We have to compare it now because we see we never seen that joy that out of Jordan before we've seen this before now you got to compare it my point is obviously I've been in the year for the league four years but you're not comparing year four years a year for Jordan so that's why you got a year for like when people say he reminds me of Jordan I'm the one that says which one which? Which one? Because there's different Jordans. There's the first two years, three years, Jordan, and there's that five, then there's that 87 to 90 where he realized, like, I'm the best dude that ever walked. And then the championship Jordan, and then the second repeat Jordan, like there's different levels of them. So when you say he's

Starting point is 02:06:04 the next Jordan, which one? are you talking about the mindset Jordan? Are you talking about it? Style recklessness style like that how they like I'm around like drop like people can say John Moran how he plays is like how Jordan played that the rookie years, right? I'm just I'm using my ability more than the brain. Yeah. Yeah, right So it's like I don't think a man's that way I think he's just a different type of hybrid type of player that we've seen and not seen before like we we have now set An expectation that he's good enough

Starting point is 02:06:38 To the point where we got to compare him to somebody great That's where we are. We see enough young players where Ja, who the fuck can you compare Ja Morant to? Before Zion got hurt, who the fuck was we comparing Zion to? Sean Kemp? No, it was LeBron. It was like LeBron mixed with Charles Barkley.

Starting point is 02:06:57 Right, you got to, yeah, Charles and LeBron. So it's like you got to compare him to somebody because we've seen it before. We just haven't seen it at this rate. But when I say LeBron, I mean the Michael Jordan comparison is unfair because I feel like Mike, if you really go back and see

Starting point is 02:07:12 it, there's nobody like Mike. That early Mike, there's nobody like that early Mike. Not Kobe, not nobody. Early Mike, he was disgusting. I'm not even trying to make the end. He was disgusting. The end comparison but just saying the to make the end. He was disgusting. In comparison, but just saying the fact that we have that conversation is a testament to how good Ant is playing right now.

Starting point is 02:07:32 Yeah, but I just don't like the idea, like when you say it, have a time stamp. Yeah. Because if you have a time stamp, it kind of gives wiggle room for the player to be great. If you say he reminds me of Mike, everyone's brain goes to six championships. Yeah. It starts going there. Like, I'm comparing him to 22-year-old Mike. 63 in the guard.

Starting point is 02:07:58 Right, you know what I mean? I'm comparing him to the dude that just, he was out there, he don't know what his ability is yet, he's out there free-flowing, right? I compare him to that. I didn't be like, oh, okay, cool. Yeah, I'm comparing him to the dude that just he was out there. He don't know what his ability is yet He's out there free-flowing right I compare him to that. Yeah, I didn't like okay cool Yeah, I'm not saying there's no expectations on this motherfucker. Yeah, I'm prime Elite just the legions and a little level athlete in body and this is what it looks like. That's it I'm not compared cuz when you just throw out the name just raw. It's like oh like give me an age where you know like magic you can't compare nobody to magic at any age it would be unfair right because the rookie magic came in 19 won a championship dominated at the in the in the season and in the finals and when it counted

Starting point is 02:08:43 there's no one who's going to compare to that. So that would be career suicide for anybody to be compared to. Because he was successful the day one. So you say, all right, which Magic? I can't even say, all right, Magic, you know. 95 when he came back. But I do get what you're saying, though, Joe, as far as just having him compared to Mike

Starting point is 02:09:07 is a testament to how good he can be because we're having the conversation with him with this guy. When you look at a list of players to compare Ant to at this stage of his career, I think it's a very complimentary decision. It's complimentary.

Starting point is 02:09:22 This is who we're looking at. But it's still unfair to me. Of course. Even though It's complimentary. This is who we're looking at. But it's still unfair to me. Of course. Even though it's complimentary. They both black as hell. And they look like they related. So we asked the chat, has Ant-Man reached his full potential yet? 70% said not even close, but 25%

Starting point is 02:09:37 said almost, and some of y'all out there, 5% said yes. Almost at 22 is crazy. Y'all got to put it down. Almost. Yeah, almost. Let's talk about... When you talk about Yeah, I got to put it down. Yeah, almost Let's let's talk about I got the other doesn't said when you talk about 22 You got to think about all the play all I think about all the greats, right when you think about all the greats I always go back. All right. Let me see how great they were at these ages so you can kind of like move it, right? Okay. Okay. He's on he's on that great path. Okay, so I can see it. Right?

Starting point is 02:10:05 You know, if you don't do it, then you're just throwing out shit that's just harder for the player to even accomplish. Because that player himself is thinking about six rings. You're looking at the greatest part of it. Like, hold on, dog. You got time. Trust me. Right? This is who he was.

Starting point is 02:10:21 And then he tapped into this ability. And then he realized he's the most dominant thing that ever moved. Then his mindset changed, and they hit this, and then they won, and then boom. Like, here's stepping stones. First is saying, all right, MJ, and now you got to sit here and try to figure out how to climb this fucking wall. Nope.

Starting point is 02:10:39 And you're going to kill yourself. That's what I love about comparisons. That's why I went to North Carolina. I already know. Now you're like, yeah, you know, rookie I love about comparisons. That's why I went to North Carolina. I already thought. Now you're like, yeah, you know, rookie season. You got to compare me to that, nigga. And I can live the rest of my life saying I was number two. I was number two.

Starting point is 02:10:55 You got a ring. You got a banner out there. So let's talk about one more thing before we move to mostly fans. So Draymond Green famously choked out Rudy Gobert earlier this season, but during a recent episode of his podcast, Dray showed love to the likely defensive player of the year. And what Anthony Edwards has taken those guys and done is absolutely amazing. Like Rudy, Rudy, Rudy actually not trash anymore. He defends now. Ironically, you know, he got all the defensive player, but I mean like when you see him on the switches, he's up at the level.

Starting point is 02:11:26 He's not just sitting back in the drop no more. When he gets switched on to the guy, it's like his antennas pop on. He is actually impacting winning. And he's actually doing that on the defensive end, whereas opposed to other series, he's got to play it off the floor. Although Phoenix went small at times to try to get back in the game, there were times that they still played Rudy on Royce O'Neal. Before, if you went five guards, there was no chance Rudy Gobert can play.

Starting point is 02:12:00 Like, zero percent chance. And if I'm honest, I don't think at this point that was a change in ability. That is a change in what's required of you. Do you guys agree with what Draymond's saying? You know what I like about Draymond, though? No matter what his beef is with somebody, he will be unbiased against. This is not the second time. I remember when we had the debate, I just remembered,

Starting point is 02:12:26 he was the one who said Wimby shouldn't win it, it should be Rudy. He was the one who actually put it out there. We were going against what he first said, that it should be, you know,

Starting point is 02:12:36 Wimby who wins it. You know, so the fact that, you know, he did, you know, put the dude to sleep, had him tapping out. He's still giving him his credit. Sacre bleu. He's still give him his credit for being and doing what great things is and Rudy has changed his game You guys agree with what Draymond saying? Mm-hmm? Yeah

Starting point is 02:13:03 Unfortunately Yeah, I choked you out, but you ain't leaving alone. Unfortunately. I'm leaving alone, nigga. Yeah, I choked you out, but you ain't trash anymore. That's the ultimate compliment. He's not trash. He ain't trash now. That's crazy. He said, he's not trash now. That was funny.

Starting point is 02:13:13 He worked right there. He's not trash no more. He's not trash no more. Yeah, I put you to sleep. He's actually not trash. But you know what? That's insane. I seen him in the game, like, no real, like, posting up.

Starting point is 02:13:24 Like, he was sitting there, picked a switch on on him and he was ducking duck in. Oh You you actually trying to score now trying all that makes it even a little bit harder because no one expected that Yeah, he got tired people talking shit. Yeah, but as I said, it's probably just a mindset Let me just go ahead and try to just even just be a force on here. Hey Hey, even if they don't pass it I did my job Sometimes motherfuckers think you trash cuz you don't get the opportunity to show him that you're not okay And that is a bar. Yeah, which is what you steal you think Mr Robinson's trash cuz he don't get the ball down on the post. He think he can't score pretty much

Starting point is 02:13:59 I bet you I bet you I bet in his mind. He's like, they don't know I ain't high school. I used to be the man, homie. I used to get real buckets. They just stopped giving it to me down there. They told me just rebounding block shots. All right, that's all I'm doing now. Equal that trash. Let's look ahead to Nuggets-Wolves series starting this Saturday. Who's the better matchup for J for Yoko in the series Rudy or cat

Starting point is 02:14:27 Rudy You better match up for Joker. Oh no for the Timberwolves to try and stop Joker Rudy about neutralize Yeah, just just Rudy. Just make him less generation. Look that good everybody That's what put fear in teams is the fact that you come into a serious thing You got to stop this one guy your team got to play well here Yeah, stop the team your team got play well and y'all got play team defense. That's it like Neutralize the team right? I mean who's the better matchup for the wolves for the wolves again? against To try to neutralize the town started hounds on them towns on them

Starting point is 02:15:06 they put a little weight on them and then Rudy protecting the rim because one he can sit in the lane because he can the dunker he can sit in the lane on a dunker knowing that if you want to shoot the threes Gordon shoot the threes worst-case scenario I know where you're coming. You're going to try to come with this lob, and I'm tall enough to try to bat it out the air, or I'm there to contest the dunk. And if Jokic, if you want to sit at three

Starting point is 02:15:33 and Jokic try to do one of those hooks, I'm there to challenge it. That's better than saying, all right, Jokic the other way around, and he's just going to beat through his body. Boom, boom, boom. And then Towns is a help dude, and I'm just going to throw the lock right over him. I think the difference is this. Cat is known to get in foul trouble.

Starting point is 02:15:52 And I think Joker can get him in foul trouble. Stop every foul in this. And I think the opposite, if we switch that, let Rudy play him straight up. Cat, you can play him dunker. You ain't got to go out there with him. They are interchangeable, I believe, and I just think Rudy's smarter with playing without fouling when it comes to playing post.

Starting point is 02:16:11 And I also think that you got help. If you look at their scheme, if they scheme right, two dribbles on Joker, make him pass it out, they're going to keep throwing it back in. Repost. Repost. We just need to take time off the clock. 14 seconds to start the shot clock. All right, by the time we get to 10 or 8, what are we looking at?

Starting point is 02:16:29 Joker going to have it or who going to have it? Jamal going to have it? What are we doing? Are we going to force him to pick a role or are we going to force Joker to make a play? Townsend have a field day with Gordon, huh? Huh? I said Townsend have a field day with Gordon on the offensive end. On the offensive end.

Starting point is 02:16:41 Right? Mm-hmm. And that's why even, you know, Bruce Brown I think said last season when he was with the Nuggets, that was their toughest matchup facing the squad. I think they match up, obviously, a hell of a lot better than the Lakers do by having this resource,

Starting point is 02:16:54 this number one defense in the league. Jaden McDaniel's out there lurking, too. So, what's next? You got to guard Anthony Edwards, huh? Who? KCP. Oh, KCP will guard him? Mm-hmm.

Starting point is 02:17:06 Guard who? Ant-Man. Think so? Nah, I'm not gonna put... I'm not gonna put... I'm not gonna put MPJ. I'm not gonna put MPJ on him. He too little. Who? KCP. But too little. See what he did to Brad? Who? Ant-Man. You see what Ant-Man did to Brad? Mm-hmm. Man.

Starting point is 02:17:22 Now he looking at this dude like a milkshake. I know, but... You're not gonna put MP... You're not gonna put MP... MPJ. He's looking at this dude like a milkshake. I know You don't put him be in PJ. He's not a good defender like but he's just a bigger body Yeah, he gonna run either big you need a bigger body man. Let's he might be a loser Yeah, you're gonna be on fire trouble. You gonna lose him on offer. I don't think it's already I'm not a get you in foul trouble niggas shit He's a good shot He just trying to get to his shot if you's just trying to get to his shot. If you can use your length against Ant, you can frustrate him. That's what they...

Starting point is 02:17:46 Even though he did run through Phoenix, they still made him work for that shit. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. Then I'm going to put my defender on him, let him work, and then you come to the lane if you want to with all the height I have. I think playing both of them. I think playing both of them. But I would play MPJ on him majority of the time because of the length. Because they're fourth quarter, KCP?

Starting point is 02:18:04 Yeah, and let KC run him down energy wise. All right, get him tired But what if you lose so the problem is KCP is not gonna score much So you're gonna say you're you're at 99% defense in this series if you if you have MPJ plan D and he has to play against a dude who's the best player you're gonna lose him on offense right and you might lose them on offense just because he get in foul trouble right you need him to look like he played against the Lakers if not having a fresh KCP that's doesn't help my team this is

Starting point is 02:18:43 depends on how we're gonna play offensively Offensively how how they played against the Lakers is gonna be differently how they're gonna play this way Cuz they got a better defensive team to plan against so it depends on how Minnesota gonna guard it Are y'all gonna double us? Are y'all gonna move around you gonna play one-on-one? All right, if y'all play head up that mean KCP gonna have a lot of open shots Mm-hmm y'all double us K't gonna have a lot of open shots. Y'all double us KCP gonna have a lot of open shots. We can mitigate playing MPJ a little bit more on defense because we're gonna

Starting point is 02:19:11 get open shots for all of our guys. Regulated then, it would make sense to otherwise, if they not doubling, I would rather play KCP on defense on Ant-Man and let Michael Porter be my guy that can get in the lane and do- reported on gave he put in man you Put Michael Porter and man and man gonna have 40 that's it. I don't believe that it's right last year. I don't believe that Yeah, I don't believe so. We don't move you don't move very well side-to-side. He moves But they went for one last year. So they did something good if they put them on my head. I was 32 You have it 30 we get 21 At 21 for one we ain't little kids no more. Yeah, we have 22 now. No, but we asked the chat who wins the series

Starting point is 02:19:51 57% Say Timberwolves. Oh We'll see if the chat will be they want the upset I mean, I mean even listen to y'all talk about it and not you know thinking about last year what happened But now everyone's better. Everyone's gotten better. Oh, that's it? Yeah. I mean, they have more depth coming off that bench.

Starting point is 02:20:10 Nas Reed. They have a lot more depth coming off that bench. Mike Conley hooping. I'm curious to see how the Nuggets utilize Peyton Watson, too. I can see him getting. Peyton Watson? Oh, that's going to be the difference maker. Oh, that's who, Mike.

Starting point is 02:20:23 But still. He's going to step up, though. See, him and MPJ look good. Reggie can step up. I like the way Reggie steps up. But I think it's going to be about how

Starting point is 02:20:30 Mike Conley and Walker play against Murray. How they guard Murray is going to be the difference maker. But that's why I don't want Rudy

Starting point is 02:20:39 on Joker. I'd rather have because when I have to switch, I don't want to keep Rudy that far away from the rim. See, because you've got to remember, that last five minutes, it's going to be pick and roll. So if I have Rudy sticking Joker and I've got to switch.

Starting point is 02:20:55 Oh, offensive rebounds. Yeah, I lose all of them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I lose all of that. Because Cat's not going to rebound like Rudy is. You know that. Let's move on to Mostly Fans. Presented by Underdog Fantasy.

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Starting point is 02:21:22 Appreciate the fans. OGs always sell. We do numbers. so our first question unless it's George first question the video question video question from underdog user

Starting point is 02:21:34 Ronaldo 9 do you think today basketball players are soft because they focus too much on skills training and not enough

Starting point is 02:21:42 mental training and is that the reason why they cannot perform under pressure? And also, would Rajon Rondo be the perfect head coach for the Lakers? Shout out Ronaldo 9. Got a wave cap, no waves, I'm sure.

Starting point is 02:21:58 That nigga's all like, he had a mouthpiece in. I'm fine. He's a loyal fan, man. We've seen him. The players are soft today because I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. He's a loyal fan, man. We've seen him a lot. Yeah, we done have him on the show. The players are soft today because the rules allow it. Right?

Starting point is 02:22:13 I mean, you know, everyone plays streetball. Everyone plays don't call foul till you bleed. Everyone's done the same thing. The rules in the NBA has made the players soft. So if you're used to getting certain calls, when you don't get them, I'm going to cry. I'm going to be like, if I'm used to getting, I go in and these, give me my calls, right? So if you notice, towards the end of the season and the playoffs, those calls ain't the same. Everyone's playing tougher.

Starting point is 02:22:40 So you're going to go with the rules you have. So we can't say these players are softer than the era before or the era yeah in theory yes but it's because the rules change every you know that's what I said the 70s think the 80s is soft the 80s think the 90s is soft 90s think the 2000s is soft 2000s think everybody

Starting point is 02:22:57 is soft right because everybody says 2000s was the toughest era defensively so they think everybody's you know I can't punch you in the face, I can't punch you in the face Oh, I can't put you in the face boy yourself Cuz I can't punch you right the Dane fighting usually we just got in brawls and just That's not so that the rules Finds made its made it soft. So that's all it is. It's just rules. Did he say something about training too?

Starting point is 02:23:27 Did he say the training? Mental training? Is it the mental? He said something about mental and why guys can't down the stretch. Just think about 80s and 90s, right? Just life itself. The hood, racism, you know, like think about

Starting point is 02:23:43 how tough mentally you had to be to go through that right I Get that I get that I get to sit here and cry about my sexuality And I want to be I want to be a dog cat If you don't call me a dog cat I get to I get to do something about it and then win some shit and get applauded for being a dog cat Right there's like like i've seen someone who says she identifies as a dog this nigga said a dog cat i mean you get to be anything you want

Starting point is 02:24:10 but i'm saying someone someone literally said she she needs to find a man who treats her like a dog but if he treated like a dog and not a human she's offended a dog or doll a dog good Oh doll yes like a cat she's dressed like a cat just like a cat identify as a dog and you need to treat it like a dog slash human or she reports it to the authorities move on to the second part but that's just they just said the phone so so everything has just been, but that's just... They just said... So everything has just been softened. Just the culture itself has been softened. You boys just said pure sissified now. We talked a little bit about Lakers coaching earlier in the week, Rashad.

Starting point is 02:24:54 You had the internet going nuts with the JJ Reddick conspiracy. But would Rajon Rondo be the perfect coach for the Lakers? The perfect coach? That is the question from. He don't got a podcast with LeBron. So, it don't make sense.

Starting point is 02:25:10 He does not. It don't make sense. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't make sense. No, it don't make sense. And everybody keeps saying, oh, J.J. ain't never had a coaching job.

Starting point is 02:25:17 Don't make sense. It's like, Darvin didn't have a head, never had a head coaching job either. I mean, all of them never had a job.

Starting point is 02:25:23 So, it's like, damn, what the fuck y'all mean? Darvin paid his dues, was an assistant in the league for a number of years. Yeah, he was an assistant the same amount of years

Starting point is 02:25:30 JJ played. Darvin also played in the league. Yeah. I think, I think, I feel like... JJ played 15 years. It seemed like Phil,

Starting point is 02:25:40 Phil might, you know, be, you know, get a crack at it. I've heard, I've heard rumors of Ty Lue, since he was the first person to get offered that job. Even though he has one more year, I heard they really are... Which puts pressures on the Clippers. Now you got to pay them because you know the Lakers want them.

Starting point is 02:26:01 So that could be a possibility. When they said he's getting fired this week, my question, the fuck for? Yeah. The fuck for? You can start the process. Like, why? What's the point?

Starting point is 02:26:20 Like, everyone, the world knows he's not going to be here next year. Why are you firing a man during the finals? Like, what does it do for you? It helps you realize he's not going to be here next year. Why are you firing a man during the finals? Like, what does it do for you? It helps you realize that we're going to pick somebody else, and whoever we pick. Yeah, we already know that. We can do it when the season opens. And for the fans, you know how y'all Lakers fans are.

Starting point is 02:26:36 You know how y'all motherfuckers are. Yeah, we do take all. Hey, listen. We do do some stupid shit during the playoffs to put the focus back on us. Yeah, we are. It's amazing. We're a team holder. We have several Lakers top teams. We keep talking about y'all. Oh Yeah, we are. We're a team of hoes. We have several Lakers

Starting point is 02:26:45 talking about y'all. You're right. These are the team of hoes you might pick up. Y'all gonna listen every single time. You're right. Right when the final start,

Starting point is 02:26:53 the Lakers have fired the coach. Got you. No, no, no. We're gonna do that second round. Second round? And then right when the final start, we hire the coach. No, no, no.

Starting point is 02:27:02 Bronny James is officially into the draft. We ain't to coach? No, no, no. Bronny James is officially into the draft. We ain't going back. No, no. We Lakers know how to keep our name buzzing, baby. I'm not even going to lie. Breaking news.

Starting point is 02:27:13 I can't wait. I can't wait. I can't wait to put on some Lakers shit. I ain't going to lie to you. It'll be good to have you back on this side, but I'm on the train too, though.

Starting point is 02:27:22 We know. I'm going to be wearing a LeBron jersey until the beginning of next year. We got a video of you. We got a video of you supporting LeBron. I'm sorry, guys. You bring a different Bron jersey.

Starting point is 02:27:32 No, no, no. Every episode. Rashad, we knew. We knew deep down. What happened? We knew deep down that you was on our side. Look at that LeBron bucket, but look who's in the crowd rocking the crown.

Starting point is 02:27:44 Ladies and gentlemen, our very own Dream Killer, Rashad. Hey, what are you pointing at? Oh, hell no. He just hit 50. Hey, look at that. He punched. I told you. Oh, hell no.

Starting point is 02:27:54 Look at that man. I wasn't going to punch out. Rashad, you're crazy. I don't know how to do it. You're crazy. 50. Hey, I had to put my sweater back on, too. I had the Kobe shit on. He's about to get 50. I said, this is it. I never thought I was going to get 50. Hey to put my sweater back on, too. I had the Kobe shit on.

Starting point is 02:28:05 He's about to get 50. I said, this is it. I never thought I was going to get 50. Hey, man, look at him, dog. Look at him. Hey, but I appreciate y'all on this couch. We appreciate everybody in the chat. Make sure you stick around for an episode of Sheet and Tyler coming up next.

Starting point is 02:28:18 But this is Gil Zerino presenting my $100 fantasy. What, what? Remember, Kobe played 20 years. We will see y'all next week. He been a Laker fan. We'll see y'all next week. Outro Music

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