Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Breaks Down The Return Of Ja Morant!!

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

Ja Morant IS BACK and Gilbert Arenas is ready to celebrate as he and the Gil's Arena Crew recap Ja's incredible return to the NBA and debate if the Memphis Grizzlies superstar can turn the season around for his struggling team. They also break down the 2022 NBA Finals rematch where Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors took down Jayson Tatum & the Boston Celtics in overtime which could have been a signal for things to come as the Dubs are surging without Draymond Green. Finally, they address the trade rumors circulating around the Cleveland Cavaliers & Donovan Mitchell, by discussing potential trade partners and who could benefit from adding the All-NBA guard. Remember to Like and Subscribe!! Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. SUBSCRIBE:  / @gilsarena   APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 Chapters Intro 0:00:00 Gil's Legendary Entrance 0:03:10 Ja Morant Is Back!!!  0:08:36 Should The Grizzlies Tank With Ja? 0:18:11 Future For Ja & The Grizzlies 0:32:50 Will Ja Be an All Star? 0:45:15 Will Ja Be The Face of The NBA? 0:52:15 Celtics - Warriors OT Thriller 0:59:27 Does Steph Have a Claim For The GOAT Title? 1:04:37 Klay is Doing His Thing!  1:33:19 Is Kuminga Taking Over For Draymond? 1:41:03 Where is Donovan Mitchell Going? 1:46:10 Steph Goat Debate Continued 1:53:03 MostlyFans 2:00:13 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Appreciate you, homie. Here's what we got cooking in the arena today. As you probably could have guessed, John Morant made his return to the court and wasted no time showing the basketball world why it's time to call 12. Steph gave the Celtics a San Francisco treat and another night night Sally But does he belong in the goat conversation? I feel like some people on this couch may say yes, I may

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Should add that to the party right come on. I'm y'all got I'm to my wife the first. Oh So we'll be here we'll When it's bringing new yeah, we're doing team. Hey, we're doing a party here to then yeah Oh, there's days did they tell you she got a cook? Well, if the check is right She has to cater it's fun. Yeah, it's easy. We all got martinis. I feel like you need a K martini Oh, he got something over there. I was there. Yo, I do. This is a this is a yeah, she made it festive She gave me the cube with the chairs Okay, okay, this is cute dr. Abreana, I love you makeup artist. I'm not gonna lie that gritty I just hit right I need ice after the show So I am in my 40s, so that shit hurts. Meniscus a little sore on my toes that much.

I'm going to be like, oh, man, that kind of... He was moving like, I'm going to say, that was nice, though. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to pay for it later. Boof. We did not rehearse that. Gil did that all on his own.

He does his own stunts here on Gil's Arena. They say gritting is a young man's game. Mm-hmm. I should have told that to my knee. But let's get into this show right away. Normally we have a little preamble to get y'all warmed up, but too much great stuff happened last night. The NBA script writers were in their bag. So the last time John Morant appeared in the NBA game, the Grizzlies got 40 piece by the Lakers in game six of the opening round of the playoffs.

Damn. But after nearly eight months in his 25 game suspension complete, John made his return to the court Tuesday and showed the basketball world why 12 is still him. Let's take a look at some of these highlights. So Ja put the Grizzlies on his back, 34 points, 8 dimes, 6 rebounds, 2 steals, 35 minutes of action. The Grizzlies were getting cooked early on in the game, but Ja dropped 27 points in the second half, including 14 points in the fourth quarter, and the Grizzlies overcame a 24-point deficit. Let's watch this man cook. Did you expect Ja to be this hot out the gate? Actually, yes. You did. This was wild.

Late in the fourth quarter, like I said, team on his back, big bucket after big bucket. And with the game on the line, Ja took matters to his own hands, came through with the game winner. Look at Herb Jones and Dyson James high-fiving. Like a home game for him. Watch the high-five. Ja Bucket goes through. Stun the Pelicans, give the Grizzlies their seventh win of the season.

After the game, Ja reflected on his life, the game, and his winning bucket. Welcome back to the NBA. You were a little winded down the stretch. That's to be expected. How did you cope with that? I'm a dog. I'm a dog. I put in work in, day out.

That's my dog. I've been playing work in, man. I didn't play a game in eight months. That's my dog. Had a lot of times where I hurt myself. A lot of hard days where I went through it, but basketball is my life, what I love, therapeutic for me. And I'm just, you know, excited to be back. All right. Walk us through that last play. Call 12. That's what I told them. Yeah, that's the play I wanted to run right there.

They believe in me. I actually wanted to go to trip in the post. They told me no. So I had to deliver for them. What does this do for your team? We just saw how your teammates responded to you. They're my guys, my brothers. You know, we put in the work together.

Hard practices, light practices, treatment, flights. You know, we spent a lot of time together through this process. They helped me out a lot. You know, just saying positive things to me, told me to stay true, keep working, and it shows right there with them believing in me. And it shows how excited everybody is for me to be back. What a return to action. Thanks for stopping. Nice job.

Yes, sir. Hey, happy birthday, Mom. I'm on the way home. Guys. What's happening here? Yes, sir. Good job, Maria. And on his way to the locker room after the game, Ja had a special message for everybody

that has something to say about him. Thank you, man. Thank you, it was his mom's birthday, what better present than busting the Pelican's ass? And he also went on IG after the game, posted their text exchange they had before the game and after the game his mom texted him. It's the return play your game Let the game come tonight you I think came come to you tonight. Don't force nothing You got this and we'll come out with the dub love you and beneath no one said love you, too She hit him back said you ready said I'm your son. You know the answer She said period

period After the game she said yes, never doubted you he said tell him i'm coming ma love you got a little emotional reading that so gil start with you what were your first impressions of jaw in his first game back i think think the most important thing with these last suspensions is that they allowed a player to still practice for the team. So usually when you got suspended, you couldn't be around the team,

which they built chemistry without you, right? So the fact that he got to be there this whole time, that means he kept his dominance in the locker room. He kept his dominance on the court. So they knew, you know, he's on the second unit, but he could he got to be him, right? He got to play the same plays as Randy. They're not gonna really change anything. So This was a plug-and-play player where

They're losing games down the end because they didn't have a star their stars back So as long as that game was close, this was the man that was going to come out on top and he showed it. So when you had your 50 game suspension, were you not allowed to be around the team at all? Man, they couldn't even call me. They got fined if they called or texted my phone. They was monitoring their phones, the staff, everything. So they wasn't allowed to communicate with me at all. So what was that like for you walking back in after that 50? Did it feel like a whole different vibe in the locker room?

Did you feel like you were coming back to a team that you didn't really recognize? No, I came back to a whole different team I didn't recognize. Everybody got traded. They looking like, who is this? Who the fuck is y'all? Karan and them got traded to Dallas that year, that summer. So everybody I came back to, it was a whole new team, whole new vibe. And Brandon, what you think about John, his first game back?

The face of the NBA is back. It's what the league needed. I think it's what NBA fans needed. And, you know, I'm just excited for him. I'm happy for him. I'm happy that he came out and had a great game. Most importantly, won the game. And now, you know, like I said, I got him making the playoffs.

So, you know, hats off to him just to keeping his head and still going. What the fuck is in that cup? It's a little licky, I can tell you that, because mine tastes good. So you got him doing what? What, he's the face of the NBA? No, making the cuz mine tastes good. So you got him doing what? What, he's the face of the NBA? No, making the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah, I got them making the playoffs.

You do know they got seven wins, right? That's fine. Seven spirited wins, though. That's fine. It's a lot of time left. That's okay. It ain't that much time, bruh. We're not even at an all-star break yet. That shit over for them as far as playoffs. As far as playoffs, yeah. No, they got a chance.

But, yeah, but not going to be negative in this moment. No, the kid did his thing. They can make it to 10. Remember, you forgot 9 and 10. 17 and 19. You forgot 9 and 10. That ain't the playoffs. 7 and 19.

They can make it. 7 and 19. 10 ain't the playoffs. But they're six and a half games back off the 10th spot right now to get into playing six games If they can win two games in the play and they are in the playoffs as the AC Hey, it's just nothing understand. So so it's not it's not that far off. Okay, thanks games. Nothing. Okay, she's games Still in December. Yes This is some mysterious.. He's got seven wins.

No, I mean, I was excited to see him. His pace didn't force anything, like his mom said. That was good. That's a good message for him. A lot of guys come back in that situation after missing that many games. They're going to come out, and when you're the man, it's going to look like it, which it didn't. He's like, I'm going to get to my spots. I'm going to shoot the when you're the man, it's going to look like it, which it didn't. He's like, I'm going to get to my spots, I'm going to shoot the shots that I normally shoot.

And you can tell that he's been practicing. Most guys just miss that much time. He was a little windy, but not like he should have been. Yeah, yeah, this is getting to me. Yeah, like he should have been to play that many minutes in his first game back and to go out in that fashion. I was telling B before the show, like, the NBA needs Ja. They really, his, he is the younger generation,

what people look to. Before, it was the Mikes, the Colbys, and those guys, but you have more kids that look and want to be like Ja. And for him to walk a straight in the public eye, you know what I'm saying, a straight line in the public eye is what people need, what the NBA needs. So it was an exciting night. It was a great night for the NBA, for him to come out

and play well, game winner. It was exciting. It was a great night for the NBA and Ja. Shout out to him and his team and his family. He did his thing. That's what's up. We just heard Ja say that he keeps receipts. Are you giving him another receipt saying that the Grizzlies will not make the playoffs this season?

I don't think they'll make the playoffs this year. Nothing to them. They're going to win some more games because he's there, absolutely. But I'm taking into account all the other teams that's in front of them. That's all. Like, they could, yeah,

make it to 11th, 10th, whatever, all that's great. Yeah. No, I just look at the landscape of basketball. Yeah, well, I mean... Come December, you have single-digit wins.

To your point, I mean, you got the Warriors in 11th place right now. You got the Suns in 10th. And they could... Yeah, you have single-digit wins. To your point, you've got the Warriors in 11th place right now. You've got the Suns in 10th. And they could championship pedigree, ain't had all their players yet, still looking to go make moves in Phoenix. Golden State know what their situation is. I just... But you also have teams like the Pelicans and Rockets in the playoff hunt right now.

You've got the Clippers still trying to figure it out. I just look at the landscape of it Could could it happen? Yeah, but I just look at how you start the season Granted you missing your guy. I understand that for 25 games. So it puts you in a hole and that hole is in sports, is deep. It ain't like... Memphis is right there, man.

Do they have four more... Put this in perspective. Hear me out. How many wins does San Antonio San Antonio got, what, three wins? San Antonio's got four wins. Blades is a blader.

And when we look at those, I understand they're missing their guy. They were missing their guy. I understand that. But at this particular point where we are in the season, they got three more wins than the Spurs. They got four more wins than the Pistons. They got three or four more wins than the Washington Wizards. At this particular

point in the season. But now they got Ja. They do. I'm saying yes. They will win more games. Absolutely. Because they have a finisher now and a guy that's going to go out and be on a tear and he's going to terrorize the league from this point on. Absolutely. Okay. So if you're Grizzlies,

because you're at the bottom, do you try to win games? Yes. Let him do him. Or just let him do him? Him doing him is going to win games. What I'm saying is, you removed him out of the way, right? We see what they look like. They're a bottom-feeding team, right? We see what they look like. They're a bottom-feeding team. Right?

Do you want a lottery pick for this bad team, or do you want to put Ja in here and get y'all out of the lottery? Is the real question. Are they a bad team, though? Without him? Without him? They're a bad team without him. What kind of team are they with him, though? A playoff team,

but that ain't a team that's going to go far. Right now, it lets you know they do not have enough. They don't have enough. You got Superman and then everybody else is... If they had 12 wins right now, it's a different conversation that we're having. Yeah, most definitely. Right? If they had 11, 12, that's a different conversation than we're having right now.

To give a point, without him, they know better than the Washington Wizards, San Antonio Spurs, Detroit Pistons, Charlotte Hornets, Chicago Bulls. Without him, at this point, they are no better than those teams. With him, yes, they are a much better team, but there's still a gap. There's still a gap. That's what I'm saying. There's always been a gap since he's been there. He's been the only star.

What I'm saying, and that's the problem. So why would you? You're in a perfect situation to heighten your team through the draft. No. Like Chicago Bulls. And what draft next year? I mean, who's coming in next year that that that we need to go go get lottery picks like Somebody can help

You don't want to be in it is about winning games Guys plan to win games like he's not he's not coming, but he's not coming back just to be like oh, I'm John No, I'm coming back since I can't win oh, I'm jumping. No, I'm coming back. Since I can't win MVP, since I can't get all these other awards, my goal is to go out here and win basketball games to prove my point. But that's the problem. And they're going to have to do that every year. I've been in the same position. So now right now you're in the lottery.

He comes back and do what he does, right? And they miss the playoffs. Whatever pick you had is out of the lottery, right? They're not going to miss the playoffs. When Chicago was without D-Rose, when D-Rose got hurt, that team was still a playoff team, which means when you add him, they are trying

to push for finals. Without him, they are a playoff team. C-3-4-5. We also traded what's his name too? We also gave away... But that's what I'm saying. But think about without D-Rose, that's what that team looked like. Add Rose and heightened without job. This team is horrible D Rose roleplayers are way better than his roleplayers That's what I mean. Okay. No, no, but that's build but that's a difference

So you can't say without the it don't matter with or without D Rose. We're still gonna be a good team But this team is not but this is not so why I need to build it bill what the team there's nothing out the draft So what? I need to build it. Build what? The team. There's nothing. Out the drafts or what? Okay, I got 12. So what? All right, 12, just go do you and we're going to suck again and help one of these rookies come in and help me? Fuck no. Man, fuck that, man.

I think John Moran has a chance to just do it himself. Do what? Get out of the first, losing the first round every year? They're not going to lose in the first round every year. They don't have nobody to help them. We don't know that yet. We don't know that. We just got, we just got, he just got back.

We've seen who they are. He just got back. Are you not paying attention? He that. We just got back. We just got back. What is that record before John Moran? We've seen them. We've seen who they are. Okay, and bring him back and he can do it all. You never know. You never know, bro. I don't think they're trash.

He got to be this every night. I've been going for 25 games. I got that energy. But his team is not good. He's right. He got to be this every night. Every night. Okay. And, shit, I've been going for 25 games. I got that energy. And? And? But his team is not good. So what about the nights he don't have it then, B? I don't know when.

I mean, I've never seen him. No, you know what? They got six wins. I mean, I've never seen him not have it. They got six wins. I've never seen him not have it. We're not talking about him. He can't be. No, no, no.

He can't be. No, you just said, what happens at night when he don't have it? When does he never have it? Is he going to beat by himself and be? He ain't going to have it in his life. He's in the Western Conference. All'm saying gonna be Booker all I'm saying is he gonna be Booker and Katie by himself I'm saying is that they can get to the playoffs so they can they can get to the okay cool And and they can win the first round so with him being out there not gonna win. I think so Who I think I mean, but it gonna be Denver. He gonna be Denver by himself who said he's gonna be gay So who's gonna be a who's gonna to beat Denver? He's going to beat Denver by himself? Who said he's going to be eighth?

Who said he's going to be eighth? Who said he's going to be eighth? Okay, okay. Is he going to be... Shit, we was 5-23 in Detroit and we was two games out of the eighth and we was right before All-Star break. Is he going to be Anthony Edwards? Sick and change.

Is he going to be Anthony Edwards in that group by himself? Is he going to beat the Lakers by himself? Because that's all it is right now. We don't know, man. You never know, man. What do you mean we don't know? We're looking at the record. One person's energy can help the whole thing. They don't change their talent. You never know that. We don't know that. To your point.

We don't know that. We do. We've seen it. We're looking at it. What if the Grizzlies are able to make a move before the trade deadline? But that's what they need to do. Now we're talking ifs and ifs. But we're talking current roster. That current roster is constructed. Current roster is structured as we sit here on this couch today. They have seven wins.

Went down to the buzzer, shot out the jaw. Absolutely. Yes. Not going to be tough if damn near impossible to make the playoffs this year. To get the 10, to get in. Okay, cool. Now you're fighting to do that. Okay, you ain't the seed.

Denver, not a chance. Minnesota, I don't think so. Then you go into the summer with the same roster, maybe you get a free agent, but if I can use that draft pick, trade these purses, get someone over here, now I got Ja and someone else, it kind of gets me over the hump.

But can't you do that even before... Over what hump? Who's going to... Over what hump? Are we talking about championship hump? They're not going to get there with the team. They're not going to get there even if they go to the draft. So let the shit just play out. Let him just do his thing. That's what we're saying. That's what we're saying do his thing, right?

But it's gonna come with wins anyway, so it's not like this guy this guy's not 12 is not going into a game Oh, let me just do my thing and lose that's never gonna play He's gonna play with do him it ain't Dane sin. So long as he's between those lines. They don't matter He don't he matters with the talent that's around you matters, bro. I don't think he care. He don't have to care, but the results are. And we'll see what the results. The results are, but they go.

So they got 56 more games with Ja. They're 1-0 so far. We'll see. What do you feel like the higher or lower is on the Grizz wins this season? They got seven right now, 56 games left. Out of them 56, they win 30? 30 wins. 30, 35?

30, 35 wins. And that would put them somewhere in playing range just based on how the... But you got them up. I understand. They ain't the only team that's fucking playing. What I'm telling you is... Like the NBA stopped, let the Grizzlies play. So Thunder were the 10th seed last year 40 and 42

Huh, the Thunder with a 10th seed last year at 40 and 40 now we got 37 to 35 so they I mean so based on last season But the West is tough The league is tough the league eats a little bit lighter. But still still but Historically it don't like this NBA. this NBA, that shit don't even matter. Historically, yes. It don't matter now. Like, those things, like, which conference, like, guys, it's...

Okay, so you think pretty much no way that that Grizzlies squad can rally behind Ja. They got their star back. Out of the 56 games, what would they have to... You know... They got to go on a... They got to win 10 straight, lose one. 33 and 23.

Win seven straight, lose one. Win nine. They got to go on runs like that in order to get to the 40s. They'd have to go 33 and 23 to hit that 40 win mark. Even with the 25 games, right? Last year when he was missing games,

they were still winning games. Yeah. Because he played already. Because then they had a formula on winning, on how to play. But now, but that's what I'm saying. That same team, that same core ain't playing how they played last year

without him. Right? So it's like, if I'm looking at that and I'm the owner and I'm wasn't I'm like John You don't need to pass the ball to these guys like that Just go out there and get your name back Go there try to make the all-star put the Grizzlies back on the map and then we'll get you some help That would be my that would be my answer to him That would be my answer. So it's like of another point, right? So, now you force bench guys to be starters. That's... They're not used to that. They're not used to that. Right? Just look at Jordan Poole. Go from bench to starter. Like, it ain't the

same thing. Oh, no. He gonna go back to where he was. Yeah. going to trade him, and whoever traded for him, they're going to put him back at six. I'm just looking at the Memphis shit. He might as well put that in his brain now. You better finish this season looking like a starter, because whoever trade for you, they're going to put you back to a six man.

Guaranteed. But Memphis, they are the talent. They're going't just... Right? Yeah. They gotta make a move to get, to definitely get him some help. They got some injuries.

Marcus Smart's been out. Obviously, Steven Adams out for the season. Desmond Bain, though, not to... Jaron Jackson, junior defensive player of the year last year. I'm just saying that roster isn't... Yeah. It's not quite as boo-boo. Dude, that dude averaged four and a half fouls a night.

You can't depend on him. Which one? Jaron Jackson Jr. He's foul prone. He's led the league in fouls for the last two, three years. Aggressive. Him and Jayshon Tate, both his top two, three last three years. No question about it.

Okay. Not dependable on somebody because he in foul trouble. Marcus Smart, okay, defensive guy, yes, absolutely. We know what he's done in this league. Steven Adams, okay, yes. Serviceable, help. You still need something else. Need something else.

Steven Adams out for the season. Yeah, I'm something, but he needs some help. So... How tall is Bane? About 6'3"? I think like 6'4", 6'5", maybe. Now, this is... Because he's playing well right now... 6'5", he just got the baby arm so it makes him look smaller.

He's 6'5"? Yep. Damn, man. I'm just saying, when you got the baby... This is some real shit. I asked some GMs why did Amani Bates

slip in the draft? And they said the same thing. They said he wasn't athletic enough to overcompensate for his short arms as a 6'8, 6'9 guy. I was like, damn. Right?

It was like, yeah, he didn't have the arm length, but he didn't have the jumping ability to master. So that's a real thing. And I'm thinking with a 6'5 shooting guard is that Joss longevity running me, that court me, even though he's averaging about 23 right now. Do you see them two being a force together, even though right now they're a force together? Is that longevity playoff making Western Conference final,

or do you need to upgrade? Yeah, it's not longevity. Boy, they paid him like it is Shit yeah, but I was like what's his name go though who I think they gonna regret letting what's the name go Dylan Brooks? Well, he's a bitch just pay Bane. They couldn't and they gave him what to 30 who was Memphis backup point guard Tyrus Memphis backup when girl year when Ja was... He's hurt, though, right now, too, right? Tyrus Jones?

He played last year. He was Spurs. Oh, yeah, the guy's a Spurs, yeah. Like, okay, like, is a better shooting guard with him like somebody like Zach Levine? Yes. Right? 6'6", can jump.

Now you got two guards that... Yeah. It's just that the Bane is like, ah, it's just... Like, he needs to be with, like, a Luka. Someone who's taller. He can guard the point. Luka can guard the two.

Kind of that off balance. But both of them small. I don't know. I mean, I like him. He's done well. Tyus Jones actually with the Wizards. I mean I like him he's yeah he's done well Ty's Jones actually with the Wizards I mean Ty's Jones yeah he's with the Wiz yeah I know I thought like like like like so those two guys like you missing for sure I'm sure yeah it's not to say neither here nor there but you

know you guys have seen Jah Jah's been the sideline 25 games I understand your point yo this season's a wrap. Let's focus on the draft. But Ja now coming back, chip on his shoulder. He said a share size chip on that shoulder. Yeah. For him. I've just seen it, man.

I've seen guys. I've seen shit. I've seen guys go be the same record and by all-star break, it's a whole nother, like, thing, man. No, no, no. They are doing it. And I just feel like thing man no no no like they are and i just feel like the confidence that he has he's able to do that so i mean like out of every player in the nba i think he can do it i watched i watched this i watched this team called the 76ers right and they had a dude by the name of alan iverson on that team right by himself he took garbage to the championship right instead of realizing that the team was

garbage outside of him to really upgrade and help him get over the top they just used his expertise and after a while it kicks in the rest of your team is trash, my guy. Right? You sitting here scoring 30, 40, 50, right? As soon as he made the play, as soon as they went to the championship, they should have thought, alright, we need to add one or two more pieces to help them. No. They thought they were good enough because he

was that good. And that's what I don't want to happen to Jod there. He's so good, he gets them there, and then he's stuck with the same unit for three four years before they realize oh shit We should have made a trade. We're not in this here Are you not necessarily back then? Yeah, I believe like the Sixers was like, you know We could just get it back again because our defense but not a I you get into the finals though in your mind You're gonna be delusional to think that we're right there anyway, right? I'm just saying

Everybody else beefed up we won a one. Oh we was we was right there like oh you see we could get them by Somebody had the number one pick So you came in the next year freight train came to this bitch. So let's talk about a little bit more But people don't realize when you really think about the dynasties that's been built in the NBA, right? Usually the team was good, they had a bunch of injuries, they ended up getting a one-two pick, everybody got healthy, and that's what really ends up happening. That's what I'm saying. They were in that situation where they were a second seed last year, right? Yep. They were a second. They were a two seed last year and then this year.

Now, what if they got the number one or two pick and then everyone got healthy, that same number two team with the number one pick? Let that motherfucker be one of them seven-foot, win-beat type players that's coming in the draft again, and you got him with John, the number two. That's a whole different team. But do you think the NBA would let the Grizzlies get a pick? They let San Antonio do it.

For pop and because of the French connection. No, no, no, no. They let San Antonio do it when they got Tim Duncan. They let Magic and them do it. All these teams was built on that. Bird. All of them was built on this type of stuff. Yeah, for sure. It happens. You know, you just have, they have it one too bad a

year. So do you think they make a move on All Star Break? Like, do you think they have anything to move? Uh-huh. Furniture. Do they have anything to move? Everybody got furniture. Furniture? I mean, you, you, you, you. Everybody got a little furniture out there. Put something together. You don't have to. There's going to be a couple teams involved, but. You got the biomarker as well. No, because there's some contracts that teams sign over the summer that they regret. Mm-hmm.

Mm. Right. Trust. Yeah, there's a few out there. Like, Bane is the one I'm, I'm like, he's good, and he's good, but I'm looking at, like, four years from what he do right for what he is To Gil's point you need a LeBron a Luka Right now James Harden

To get him because that's what he that's what he that's what he is. He's a spot-up, shoot the shit out of him, right? Shooter. Defend well on the ball, but he's a spot-up shooter. He's not a, if you need a bucket, if Jai don't have it going, I can't go, here you go. I need a bucket, right? You need a guy who you can throw that bitch to if number one ain't got it going.

You definitely number two. I need you to go give me a bucket. I like why Paul before James got that like you need like situations like that were in this NBA in order to compete Dame ain't got it going Giannis. I need a vice versa. It's Tyrese Maxie Joel Embiid is Julius Randall Brunson. It's... Can you get somebody to come here? I think he can. Him making the call, if there's some shit on the table that's ah, him picking the phone up, then hey, man. Yeah, somebody that's disgruntled?

Somebody that's like, fuck these. Yeah, absolutely. Because who he is. Because it's his stardom. Or they get a really big three. If they get a big three, like one of them six, eight, six, nine, that can really cover some ground, then you can hide two small guards.

Like, those are considered too small. What Bane is considered, at point, he's fine. As a shooting guard, he's kind of small. Okay. Compared to the rest of the field, right? Even though he's averaging 20-something. You know, not athletic and shoot. So I'm just looking at when you start making those playoff runs.

He got to guard Tatum. You know, in the playoffs, that's who he has to guard. He has to guard Tatum. Jimmy Butler. You know what I mean? 23 job wasn't there. Yeah. So let's

Make you make you man to Yeah, but Japan in 230 having 23 we got out that as well as what the fuck he's supposed to be doing Mm-hmm, right Ja come back now Jada number one whether those numbers go to because he's not getting the same looks They're not running all the players from Josh taking majority shots now So what like to your point war like what are those numbers look like now? Me could it be argued though that it might be easier for me to get those buckets without out there You know, it's so funny like because they were any place where he was the number one option

Well, I'm saying that he's the one everybody's keen in on now now jobs back Does it take some of the pressure off of him? Learning how to score so here numbers is there by same, because they need a number two score now. Well, do you see John? Oh, go ahead. This is like when people talk about that next step, he's more valuable than a Jordan Poole. Right?

Right, when you say, all right, jaw's out. I need you to be number one, he stepped up. Absolutely. Right, they didn't turn to wins, but he stepped up. His individual play. He gave them chances to win, right? He just don't have the it factor at the end like Jha does, right? Versus someone else who has a team by himself and he has a better team. When you look on paper, Wizards offensively is better than Grizzlies right so the fact that this team so you can see

mentally What's what happens Jaren sir Go ahead. Oh, no keep talking. Maybe yo, do you see Josh staying here for the rest of his career in Memphis? The only way jaw leaves is if the organization does something to him. Right? You know, like... Tell his daddy he can't come to the game.

Yeah, it's gonna be something. Some shit like that. It's gonna be something small where it stops one of his friends from coming. Like, they do something behind closed doors. But I don't think any city right now could persuade him to leave because he ain't fucking with the world like that. You know what I mean?

He gonna be loyal to the people that's loyal to him. And that was my thing. I wouldn't have played on the road Cuz I'm thinking about my home crowd. I know what y'all did y'all trying to make money off me Yeah, yeah his the ego was like yeah I'm gonna come in here and just show the world But my ego do kick in like y'all want me to get all this money to y'all when y'all took all that money for me I see I see y'all see y'all back at the Cribs. So you asked Jaren Jackson, Jaren Jackson averaging 22-6,

two blocks. Okay. Playing about 32 minutes. 22 and how many rebounds? Six rebounds. See that ain't, that's fucking, that's a goddamn shame. Wait, wait. How many blocks? Two, 1.8.

See, you know what? Go ahead. They probably will be better than we think. I'm telling you. Here's why. You do have two guys averaging 23 and 22. And where they're losing the game is they're losing the game the last five minutes. So we think.

No, it is. That's when Margaret sparked because I did some commentating on them. Right? So that last five minutes minutes now you have the guy that him over the hump that get him over the hump so yeah they could they could they could heat up soon even if they got so John has to do what he do and average no no no no no his he them to right around 20 having 23 having 22 26 28 yes 26 28. Yeah, yes to your point. Yeah, I'll say it's By all-star though. It gotta be gonna be a dog fight like you got to be able to see it by Austin Well, but yeah, but they got to get hot be yeah, like they got a

January is important. They got to put together some streaks Yeah, right to your point. Yes, like a 13 and 2j him to average it. Absolutely. They got to have two great months January fair like it has to be important So here's a long losing streak came can't go on a five six game binge and then yeah, no, no for sure That's why I said all-starstar, we'll be able to see. I got you. So, yeah. I think.

Even if they losing, I know somebody who's going to be averaging about 33. Yeah. He's going to be averaging about 33 out there, bud. Yeah.

Yeah, but if you call, yeah, I'm with you if they do that because them two guys have been playing okay. Yeah, that's what I said. They've been playing. They're going to have

more rebounds, though. Decent schedule coming up. They got the Pacers at home on 21st. That'll be J.J.'s first game back in Memphis at the Hawks. He's going to have 40. Back at the Pelicans. It's not an easy game, though. Back at the Nuggets. Offensively, he's going to have 40.

But I'm saying the Pacers is not an easy game. No, no, no. They're going to sit there. But that's what I said. J.J. is going to have 40, though. It's going to be like 145, 144. Can he win a scoring title? I don't think so. Or is that out the window too? I don't think he has anything. I don't know how that minimum games thing impacts that.

I don't think he has a little bit of anything. Yeah, I'm going to say I don't think he has a little bit of anything. That's what I said. He got to make the playoffs. I got to make the playoffs. This is awesome. See, that's that bullsh. Everybody looked at the shit and was like, how many games?

25. They should at least put it at 20. Even if it's 20, he still wouldn't have been eligible. 65 game minimum now, Gil, for postseason awards. They should have put it right at the edge. To qualify for a scoring title, a player must appear in at least 58. He's going to play a max of 57. So that's, yeah.

I'm telling you, look at that. I'm telling you, dog. I don't know. I can tell you this right now. 25. I can tell you this right now 25 yep, I can tell you this right now. Let's say this man do average about 34 Yeah, and he played every single game and that one's missing bro. You know how That's why I said he got him. It's the playoffs bro. Do I wait do the playing games count? Playing the playing game to like the in season tournament cup championship

let's talk about that so we asked the chat will the Grizzlies make the playoff they just open right the all-star battle yesterday so 50% said yes his first game his first game but that's what I'm saying you You see how the league, that's why I said personally because I'm looking at how it all played out. They didn't think he was going to play well. They didn't think

he was going to play well. I was personally, no, I would have been pissed even if he played well. I'm going to get everything out of him and don't have to give him shit. Yo.

If he averages 35 on every TNT game, he don't have to win no awards and we got the jaw effect. If he averages 40, 11, and 11, I'm just saying. Come out. Make the All-Star team get voted in, right?

Win All-Star game MVP. Fuck it. Hey, come out, this bitch. And that's a fact. It'll be the biggest uproar in NBA history. Because if he doesn't miss no games, that means he's one game, basically, from all of them. Yes. And everybody's going to be pissed.

So we asked the chat, the Grizzlies will make the playoffs. 50% said yes, 50% said no. Okay. But back to your guys' point. So, yeah, Jock can't make an all-NBA team. He won't hit that 65-game minimum to be eligible. You talked about it a little bit yesterday, and we're talking about it now. He has the potential, though, to make the All-Star team.

If he's playing like this, rest of December, rest of January. So the fan vote I think counts for 50% and then they do some shady shit behind the scenes. But the NBA in need of star power, in need of viewership. If he lead and vote get a top two, three and vote. What they doing in the back? What they doing in the back, What they doing in the back? Hey, fans, vote him in, goddammit. Leave and vote, get him.

He said it right here. He normally get all the votes, so let's get him more. Let's get that number, yeah. Let's get some Yao Ming numbers on him. Yeah, get some Yao Ming. Yesterday you said it, like, look, I've seen this NBA house moved over the past 20,

30 years, but I also know that they need viewers said it. I'm like, look, I've seen this NBA house move over the past 20, 30 years. But I also know that they need viewership. So I'm sure those numbers last night are going to come in, especially for a Grizzlies-Pelican game, the numbers that they did off that game. Yeah, that looked like a Grizzlies home game. Y'all homecoming. Number one versus number two in the draft. So fan vote makes up 50%. All current players in the select group of media will account for 25% each.

So you know he's getting the love from the fans, you know he's getting the love from the players. The media will hate, but that's because they don't let Gills Arena present my underdog fantasy woop woop. Get a vote in this particular situation. He has to be voted in because you know the coaches ain't gonna vote a man you know the coaches ain't gonna vote a man so he's gonna have to get he's gonna have to get those fans votes and that's gonna be

tough too what the fan voting right now you got Steph and Luca yeah why do you feel like coaches hate Ja? Two guards. No, it's not coaches. It's not coaches. It just depends though how he gets... It just depends on if he goes crazy. It's not coaches hate Ja. It's just that they're going to use... When the coaches do it, that's when the NBA gets to really tweak it.

They say, oh yeah, we already got a third guard, a third guard is this, and he don't have these votes, and now you don't know what the fuck is happening in the back. Right? You know, keep it out of their hands and just go straight for it. Well, so let's add some more controversy to it, right? He's playing the way he's playing. He don't get voted in because of Steph and Luka, right?

He's doing what he absolutely supposed to do, and we all know how this shit go. Injuries doing All-Star is a thing. Who picks the replacements, Kenyon? Exactly. So what do they do? Who picks it? Do you know who picks the replacement?

Adam. Adam? The man. Adam! So what would Adam do? Adam likes money. Adam likes money. He likes numbers. He likes ratings. He likes ratings.

He knows it's going to be Indianapolis, a fine city. Do not get me wrong, people, Indianapolis, but that city's not moving the needle like a Vegas or a New York or a Dallas. So what? 12, get in there. Call 12. Do they jump? Do they go?

Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing of it all, too, is him coming back is like, you know, he's auditioning for this prepares You know, so how he how he you know come back his team winning like no I mean, you know, I mean listen if he comes back and they make the playoffs and he does this thing like, you know You gotta be honest about it. There's a lot listen. It ain't no audition because yeah, they they picking who they want Yeah, that's a You said

That's me I'm picking yeah, I understand I ask I'm picking but after that squad has got their ass dust. He's not World Cup. He seems like you'd be a good He's what I rock. He's World Cup ready. I'm just Here let me I'm just I'm just letting you know, that's a that's a that's a man He means a political man. It's a political game. So you got him anyway But you got him in Jalen Brunson What I'm just I'm calling the spade a spade That's the sad part about it you discipline callavow? If you're calling a spade a spade. What country are we picking?

What country are we going to? Huh? I'm saying if they don't... If they do Jai Dirty like that. No, I'm just calling a spade a spade. You got to... You have to look at reality in this situation. Talent?

Absolutely. Talent, marketing, swag. They ain't got nothing to do with marketing. And I wouldn't come to that. Because it ain't got nothing to do with your personal. But do you think Nike would apply some pressure? No. It ain't got shit.

No. If they want him to be. No. If they're talking about being a face. And trying to recreate his face. They need him. They're going to need him in the Olympics. They're going to need John in the Olympics.

I don't think it's. They need. I'm just saying that. Listen. I guess. But I don't. You know me. I would cut my hair.

He might have to wait until 2028. When it's in LA. Yeah. I'm just saying. I'm just looking at this. You're talking about too soon. Yeah, that's what... So if not now, though, we got to feel like

if he stays... They got to start talking now. Him and... But if he stays on the straight and narrow... Him and Tatum, I got to have him on the team.

It's that... No, I'm just talking about for just like the... For the youth. 28? Yeah, 28? Yeah, I'm just thinking... Okay.

Yeah, I'm talking... That's what I'm saying. For my future... Talent, absolutely....for just for the youth 28. Yeah 28. Yeah, I'm just thinking okay That's I'm saying for my future and that's for just for the just for that world look jaw Tatum and an ant-man need to be on that team That's like Mel. That's like mellow brawn the way Dwayne Wade. What is your assessment? Yeah, and you ain't picking Our don't matter don't mean shit. I'm just looking at reality and what the Olympic team is And what they try to portray for the world to see he need All the shit that's going on in the world. Yeah, right. How do you bring somebody to represent your country that's... I'm just thinking the way the world. Easy like this.

That's easy for you to say. Something like that. John Moran. I'm saying, I hope he does. Listen, I'm in his corner. Trust me. I'm in his corner. I hope he does make it.

For talent, absolutely. It gives us... For him, being Olympic, all that's great. I hope he does. Yeah. I just have to look at the honesty of the totality of the situation. Well, the honesty of, if we're really being honest, I mean, the rest of the world don't like us because we don't portray who we say we are. We're bullies. We don't stand on business?

No, that's the problem. We're bullies. We don't stand on business? No, that's the problem. We stand on business. We stand on business. So technically, he's the perfect person to stand on business for the country. If we're really thinking about it. We do love the Second Amendment in this country. Damn, Draymond Green, let's get it. Send him out there.

T.I. Sun opening up, we good. Stand on business. We talked about this a little early in the show so looking at the future of the league There's gonna be a serious dilemma LeBron Steph KD You know close on their way out maybe four or five more years for there's a you know a version of the league that doesn't feature Yeah, at least some of those three gentlemen Josh still only 24 years old swag on and off the court kids love issues Which is the most important thing. Will Jha be the next face of the NBA?

He should be. I think he's the most important thing for this league coming up. Just off, you know, you're talking about an AI influence. You're talking about, you know, a guy that can just have every kid and everybody, like all these kids being inspired. I mean, yeah. I mean, he's a walking dollar sign. So, you know, with the way he plays and, you know, him being so young,

he's the only one I can see right now. Him and Jason Tatum. You got to get out the hood, B. Nah. You got to get out the hood, bro. No, I think that's what kids, like the way he, I mean, listen. I hear you.

Listen, I'm from the hood. I hear you. This is what kids love. the way he I mean listen I hear you What kids love like I'm a guy Chuck my man 1,000 I'm I hear you loud and fucking clear. Yes. Yes This is not that NBA It's not I Mean you have to stop being him. I'm not saying stop being him. I'm not saying change who he is. I'm not saying that. But you got a guy going from a guy who ain't had no controversy ever in LeBron that's been facing anybody for the last 20 years.

No controversy whatsoever. You can't go. I'm looking at the business aspect of them. Yeah, I am too. Big time Jai fan. Tatum, Luka. I'm a'm not looking at the business aspect of them do I am too big time job hate him Luca I'm a big-time job fan just I mean all cards on the table right everything face up and you got a I just don't think that's what the league will push but the league might not push it, but we still know fuck the bullshit But you see the way the kids rock with us on fuck no chocolate. Yo, I think no job

I think I mean, I think anybody who was the face of the NBA always had some controversy. I mean Mike Cole I mean, they've always had controversy some somehow some way Unfortunately, I don't think was ever the face of the NBA. Huh? Unfortunately, I don't think Kobe was ever the face of the NBA. Huh? Unfortunately, I don't think Kobe was ever the face of the NBA. Yes, he was. No, he wasn't. Yes, he was. Kobe Bryant was the face of the NBA at one point. No, he was not. Okay. No, he was not.

Unfortunately. Unfortunately. I wish he was. He was the face of the NBA. I just... A lot of competition before, controversy. Controversy, then LeBron coming.

I just don't think it's... It was the Wade, Wade... They had clean guys to lean on. Was it the face, though? I have some magazines, and I remember looking at it. It's like, why LeBron? We think Kobe, yes.

We think Kobe, yes, absolutely. As players, right? Absolutely. Being the baddest motherfucker in this bitch. I was a kid when Kobe was. And you're an L.A. guy, you're biased. But you're an L.A. guy. But you're biased.

No, no, no. But you're biased. When you're talking about promotion and stuff, there was a point where Dwayne Wade was pushed more than LeBron. You're biased. Because Dwayne had no tattoos. You're talking about the ring. No.

No. Just for league shit. When there was league shit being put. Commercials. Hold on. One year? What, a couple months? No.

Bro, these are like one or two years. No. Like when LeBron with the tats. Man, there was Dwayne Wade. It was, that was me. It was. So it was a group of you guys. it was it wasn't just one so therefore i don't think john but there was no real yeah cole during that time i'm just the reality is they were pushing other guys those back-to-back years colt wasn't a guy those back-to-back without so i'm actually so just hear me there so so so hear

me this like it was like but it was LeBron LeBron Come so hear me this it was it was the LeBron Kobe the whole puppets there I mean so if the NBA and so the NBA and a company on a conference call for some marketing shit, right? And they got from two guys Guarantee LeBron wasn't bigger than Kobe at that guarantee. Guarantee they give another guy. No. I'm just telling you, dog, the way it works, bro. What, what, what?

B. As big as A.I. was. I'm telling you, dog. As big as A.I. was. That's the way business works in that regard. Reebok was his only sponsor. What other sponsor did he have outside of Reebok? Should have had a backwards deal.

See, see, there you go. If he went out dressed to put a... But he don't smoke. So what are you trying to push something? They had to put a whole dress code in just for the one because they couldn't sell it. They're like, we like AI, but we can't sell this. And that was the thing. And that's when Steven Jackson was like, just because you, I mean, was it like a bank robber?

Just because you put a bank robber in a suit don't make him a... Or a murderer in a suit don't make him a... Man, just imagine, his play, year in, year out, didn't equate more than one league MVP for what he was doing for that fucking team. So you feel like that was... He just played astronomical where they couldn't fucking deny it that year. Same thing with Kobe. People think about why didn't Kobe get me more? Who he was losing it to clean cutting. I'm just calling spade a spade

I unfortunately got Canadian this is the business that we show the plane Duncan losing Tim Duncan You're losing a dirt you losing it Steve Nash He lost fucking come on and they got that man a VP at home dog the funny part is that older Those are the three main people who didn't want no dress code Steve Nash Duncan and dirt Duncan and dirt loud too tall to be wearing suits wearing that shit And the league was at a bad time when those guys were made because they wouldn't push the best I always feel like it's always going to be in a bad place. So if he's not going to be AI without all of them, he's not going to be... I'm just calling the spade a spade. He can get out of here.

I just feel like it's going to be in a bad place once LeBron, Steph, and KD leave. Nah. You got clean. I mean, I think as far as like... I mean, I'm not going to... You got Jason Tatum that plays for the Boston Celtics. Yeah, but I'm not going to run to the TV. I'm definitely not going to run to the TV for that. But he plays for the Boston Celtics, though. When you're talking about marketing dollars, oh, they're in place.

He plays for the Boston Celtics, bro. You got Luca. You got Tatum. They can sell Tatum anywhere. He plays for the Boston Celtics. Yeah, but it's not the same. I don't think think these guys these type of guys have that type of it factor like yo I gotta go see that nigga like I got no, I mean, that's not you know I'm gonna be John but that's gonna be John the John's gonna be that stuff

So that's the but they meet I mean to me that's the biggest like that's the biggest talking like when you talk you're talking about You know Having them the billion dot that-dollar marketing behind you. It's going to be Tatum. I get it. I mean, the bosses, I get it. Especially when it comes to the Lakers. But speaking of Ja.

Oh. And you got a big guy. You got Nikola. You got Joel. And he's going to leave Boston to put that Laker uniform on. It's just, you know, Ja put a Laker, Ja in a Laker uniform. That's not being a Laker fan. Him in L.A. or Chicago.

So we asked the chat, can John be the next face of the NBA? Chat, honestly, in a non-hating mood lately. 65% said yes, 35% said no. But let's keep it going to that second game of the TNT doubleheader last night, featuring Steph Curry, 30. I got the Tough Crowd Curry collab on in respect. The night-night shirt obviously. But the Warriors have been

trending in the right direction since Draymond Green's suspension faced one of their biggest tests of the season against the Celtics who entered the game tied for the best record in the league. Steph Curry showed why he's still one of the best players on the planet. Boom! After dropping the season-low seven points in a win against the Blazers Sunday Steph had the dubs going up on a Tuesday curry dropped 33 points at six dimes going six for 11 from three

Had a mess for all the haters that said he doesn't make clutch threes as well hitting that dagger three in overtime I'll hit the dagger three then hit the subs with that night-night celebration. He brought it back. I know they're having nightmares about that shit. But it should be noted that Jalen Brown poked the light-skinned bear earlier in the game by doing the too small to Steph. I think we have video of it. I saw that.

Yeah, he was... I saw that. He was feeling himself. He was back in the bay. ...draws the foul and scores and says he's... Steph ain't like that shit one bit. Go back real quick. Look at that hand. Steph actually got his fifth foul on that play.

Please. What you about to say? Let me hear it. Go back. I just want to see something. Oh. Man, you got... Oh.

You thought somebody texted that? Man, I'm like, ooh. They got your text, you know what I'm saying. Paul, right there. Now, I'm looking at the lineup. Isn't this the lineup I told you that was dangerous to play against Boston, right? Yeah, Horford out there. Prazingis did not play in the game.

But look who's at the two and look who's at the three. That means Steph or Klay will have to guard. And this is what I said about Memphis. Right? Bane has to guard Tatum or Brown. Those are two 6'8", 6'10", guys. And that's where I said Boston's going to, when they put this lineup in, this is when they're going to be at their best. When they got Brown and Tatum at the 2 and the 3. Versus the fucking 3 and the 4.

And then this is, I just wanted to make sure because I'm like, why is Curry on Brown? And we can see why, because they went big. That's why I said I didn't like Drew and White at the one and the two because it makes them smaller versus. Drew's out there. Where? That's Drew right there. Behind Kaminga? That ain't Drew.

No, that's a big dude. That's a big. That's a big that's a big run on 88 or some shit Yeah, you got a headband every day I thought I would know I So press play for us again Apollo if you could just quit play boom see okay So Steph picked up his fifth foul on that play like I said, Jaylen Brown poked the bear hit him with the two small fits foul Yeah, that's a six minutes left. Yeah, that's why my and I'm mad at clay for not fucking going to W He's like, you know, we got four already. It's been said because that's why they did that was they third time posting him up Mm-hmm, you know, we got four in the third part of fuck you ain't going to double cuz that white did white was He was fine, but you'd rather him make a shot than that man get his fifth.

But the man played the rest of the game with five fouls. The people don't like that. When he got back in the fourth quarter and overtime, he played all that shit with five fouls. That is bad coaching on... Steve Kerr, absolutely. No, bad coaching on Boston. Yeah.

Oh, now they're going that way. Five fouls. Oh, no, they did. Oh, pick and roll. Oh, we're on Boston. Azul. Yeah, Azul. Oh, now they're going at it. Yeah, yeah. Five fouls. Oh, no, they did. Oh, pick and roll. Oh, we're going to get. Oh, no, they did. How the fuck did they do that?

Oh, they ran shit at him. No, listen, trust me. They tried. They damaged. They double-teamed, trapped, made sure. Listen, they did. Oh, they just made sure. They made sure.

Do you feel like they, I mean, them dudes shot 58 threes in that game. Yeah, but that's. What I'm saying, but they made sure. They ran shit at him, but it was just him playing like this, the double team come, he run fucking rotate out. Right? Because if he stayed, they're just going to throw it back.

So he was the one to rotate out. They made sure that he didn't... But... You know, a lot of shit happens out there when you're playing and you can easily be running through and the motherfucking ball comes. You don't see it. The nigga cutting through you, running to somebody.

Oh, shit, now you got a six. For him to avoid that shit and just stay out of harm's way for that long, it's crazy. It's amazing. And win the game. He involved every single possession, offensively and defensively. Not to run over somebody, not to push somebody. What, nigga step out there, you go to Florida and the nigga step over the layman,

oh shit, late charge or something like that. Anything could happen. That's because that man played golf. That's me showing Jalen. Jalen, smooth criminal out there, man. He out there been stepping. So Jalen Brown hit him with the too small in the third quarter, about six minutes to go.

And as my guy Words World duly noted, Brown fucked around and found out. Steph outscored Jalen Brown 20-4 after this moment. So after the game, Shaq has some high praise for Chef Curry and posed an interesting question. He's been consistently the best shooter his whole career. I'm wondering is it time to start putting him as the best player of all time? Best player? You put him over you? I'm asking you.

Yes. You put him over you. You put yourself, Seth Curry over you. Yeah, this is why he's my favorite player. I'm not saying favorite, he might be my favorite too. I'm just asking you if he's better than you. I played 20 years, watched 20 years before that. I've never seen a guy like him. And he's doing it consistently. And he has championships. You put him over Michael? No, I'm not putting him anywhere. I'm saying, you know, for all the children

it's a time to just put him in the conversation. Like, why could somebody propose a question this is how they feel? So you put him over Michael? Like, God damn, he just asked a question. Yeah is why how they feel like that. So you put Question yeah, well I got it. Let me ask y'all that question Brandon will start with you because I feel like I know what your answer is gonna be Steph belong in the go conversation. Yeah, no for sure. Why do you say that just for what he's done for the game?

He's changed the game kids now. I know I remember when was younger, my first thing was trying to go dunk, right, do it between the legs, throw it in there. And now I see kids trying to see how far they can shoot the ball. I mean, I think just, you know, how he grew up and, like, you know, being underrated and having to prove yourself. I mean, I think anybody that's, you know, that had to prove their self or was underrated and work to be great, really have to work and put the time in and elevate your game, I mean, I'm always gonna put you in there,

in that type of category. I'm just calling Cap on Shaq. Is Shaq peddling? You can't trust shit he's saying, right? He said, and I quote, I played a game for 20 years and I watched a game for 20 years before that. Cap, that wasn't impossible.

You didn't watch, you came into the league at 20 years old and you was not watching basketball at one, two, and three. You know what I mean? I'm not due. No, no, we're not due. So right there, I'm just calling bullshit on everything he's saying and Shaquille O'Neal

knowing that, because every time someone has a top five list, Shaq is buying it in. He's hot. He's hot, so I'm pretty... But what was he talking about? Just about watching it or... Just saying stuff. Just saying stuff. But what if it's about? Just about watching it? No, just saying stuff. Just saying stuff. But what if it's 20 years of cumulative?

He said, I watched for 20 years and played for 20 years before that. What have you meant before and after? No, he said he played 20 years and before that watched for 20 years. Okay, but in the black community, we say shit all the time that we don't really mean.

I'm just saying. I'm just going to be petty. But do you think he deserves to be in the GOAT talk? The he deserves to be in the GOAT talk? Does Steph deserve to be in the GOAT conversation with his career as it is right at this very moment? Listen, every great deserves to be in the talk. But I can tell you this.

If LeBron is having trouble in this GOAT debate, if LeBron is having trouble in this GOAT debate, then Steph Curry's going to have a problem. So I'm just saying for all Steph Curry fans, listen, just wherever you have them right now, just keep it to yourselves because us Jordan fans and them Jordan fans, the stream ones,

trust me, they're going to try to ruin the legacy somehow. Somehow. To keep them out. They're getting old, though, kid. They're getting old. They are. They're getting old. Teeth falling out. They're get no, I think the world question should be like who's on your Mount Rushmore Of Hooper. That's like like like instead of being the goat

My thing is like just ask somebody who is your Mount Rushmore of Hooper's? Do you put that as one of those four and and it doesn't and it's not about I think it's more about like not not like You know how great you were I think it's more about not how great you were. I think it's more about who influenced you. Can we have the goat? Is Mount Rushmore four or five? It's four. It's four people. So who is the ghost of Pete to you?

I don't know. Wait, I know Mount Rushmore itself was four. But basketball Mount Rushmore is just still four? Have any of y'all been to Mount Rushmore? No. Let's keep it four. Here we go. It's always, but that that's gonna be debatable

So just keep it a mouth rush more for everybody five gonna be fucking different. I'm easy we're gone about rush more I'm doing that Different right? All right, so but just But if you want to break it down, right? I got a which we've done. No, no for you. I got a brilliant way to sit down Who throughout the history of the game has changed the game of basketball Who has changed it that the league has? Changed because of that person Michael Jordan Shaq Shaq

Steph Will gotta be in that mix too. If you say... And then you have to... He wasn't even in the NBA. Okay, so those three guys automatically... Post-merger? Yeah, post-merger. Those three guys automatically... Magic?

No. No, he didn't change. Deserve to be on there. In my opinion. Okay. Right? And the guy who has held the crown, did it the longest,

been the best player for the last fucking 20 years number wise everything that you could imagine marketing likeability LeBron LeBron James Right Okay, we want to start the day. Okay. Now you can okay. We want to add a fifth Then we'll get now. Okay, we're at a fifth now. We got to have a six now We got no, no, but if you think about it in those terms, right, we're at the fifth. Now we got to add a six. Now we got... No, but if you think about it in those terms, right, guys that's changed the game of basketball. Those four.

There's four guys. Well, the three guys, and then you add LeBron into the mix because who he is and what he's done, the longevity, the numbers that he's put up, the everything that becomes LeBron James deserves, is deserving to be on that. But we don't equate changing the game because if you say, all right, name me your top five, most people are going to run Jordan LeBron, Kobe. Yeah. Right? Even though Kobe didn't change the game, there's no real fan of basketballs that would say Steph is better than Kobe.

Yeah. Right? So you have to really say, hey, this is how we're starting off. We're using people who change the game first, and then we go on. Because when you say, yo, top four, Kobe's gonna always hit around three or four. Right? But when you put Steph in, it's because these are game changers. Like, he changed the way we played. Shaq changed the way rules were.

You know, same thing with Jordan. So that's why it's these big arguments on what's what. That's why I say, just give me five so I can put everybody I like in it. And I don't have to worry about nobody's. Yeah, five is... Do you put Steph in over Magic? Yeah, Gil, it's that time. What, in the Mount Rushmore?

In your top five. Oh. We interviewed Steph. Steph said, you know, it's between him and Magic. Naturally, Steph felt like he was a better point guard than Magic. We grew up in Los Angeles. We know the impact... But we talked about the point guard position. Yeah. How it's changed and evolved, but you, Gil,

and you're 41 years on this earth. Okay, look. Okay. I don't like that one. It's a tough one. It's tough because the game, Magic, the game was, the game merged the year after Magic, or the

year before Magic got there, right? So it's a different league I mean you know 260 people were being drafted every year so the talent wasn't as good but him as a player was really different you can argue that magic saved that league yeah no he did now he literally saved that league him and him him and in bird they did. When you watch Magic's skill set, one thing no one really talks about is he had impeccable vision. The vision he had was unreal. Like, when you watch some of the things, like, how did he see that, right?

You know, at 6'9", ran. You know, he was just a different player, but the reason he didn't change the game is you couldn't duplicate. You couldn't duplicate that It was kids wasn't growing up said oh, I'm about to be 69 You know me that was the only reason we can't put him in the conversation of game changers even though he he was the the alien he was

Just this whole different, even Jordan. Everybody wasn't growing up being fucking 6'6", with 48 inch vertical, right? But he had to change the rules on how he played. Magic was just different. It was something that we didn't see, and we probably won't see again, with all of it in there. Being 6'9", with Jason Kidd, you know, Steve Nash, motherfucker. with all of it in there. Being 6'9", with Jason Kidd,

you know, Steve Nash, motherfucker, Pistol Pete Vision. It's just a different dude. Right? So when you look at it from how he played the game, it's like,

eh, it's never going to be another one of those, I can tell you that. He might not be a game changer, but there's not going to be another one of those. So, what's your answer? I just said that just to say I just Ah, I was floating in so I didn't have to pick nobody. So you're like the regular sports media people right now.

So that's the answer you just gave. Hey, I'm going to go on the web. No, I just, I can't, I can't. I'm going to be a hoper, someone who played. I can't say who's better because, one, I didn't play against Magic. I can see it. I ain't saying who's better. We didn't ask for that. We didn't.

That wasn't the question. Because all we're going off is stats. No, we can see it. I'm saying to tell you better. We're winning. All right, that wasn't the question Because all we're going off is that's the court. No, we're not going off Gilbert We're not going off of stats neither will you take but so I give you a second to think about it, right? and the reason I think magic is Not revered in the way that we look at him throughout the history... He shared... He had to share the spotlight at the time. With then Larry Bird, which most of the country... Half and half, yeah. I think more than half was Celtics fans than Lakers fans at the time because of the color

of his skin. I'm just saying. It's called what it is. Fair enough. 1979? Yeah. 1980? Just think about it.

In the climate of the country then when they come in, if people had to choose, it's just what it is at the time So I think that's played a factor but magic help the transition into Mike so now there was more people on the board of Magic then when Mike came along it was like Okay him know that Would you throw that out there?

Do you think we're underestimating how good Magic was then? Because if the merger happened in 78, right, which was basically all white, right, and when Larry Bird came in, it was basically his NBA. Absolutely. The fact that today Magic is in front of him, if it was an even playing field, how big would Magic be then?

Because think about what he had to do to still be over Bird today. Yeah. Bird ain't in no one's top five. Magic is in everyone's top five. So how big would Magic have been if it was just him? He'd probably be the greatest ever.

You have to factor in the Lakers getting that number one pick. Just him being him. Same Magic Johnson without having to share the spotlight with Larry Bird. How about if Magic came in in the 90s? Where the league was kind of like, all right, okay, black people have been here for 10 years. The blacks have been here for about 10 years now.

We good. If he would have been a class of 82 instead of 79. Just to say, if he would have been like just... But do you feel like Magic has the same impact influence if he's in Milwaukee or Houston? With the Lakers? No, I mean, being in the Lakers uniform, but I'm just saying. But he came in winning, though. Yeah, but...

The coming in off-top rookie, that helped the winning because it helped solidify that the Lakers are this and we didn't get it wrong, he is that. That helped everything. It's Hollywood, though, is what I'm saying, though. It's the entertainment capital of the world. It's where everybody in the country wants to move to. I don't know if he's doing that same thing, if he was in San Antonio or wherever else around the league. I just wonder how, especially when you think about racism back then,

and they would have been pushing Bird way more than Magic. So it was like today, how is, or even back then, by the time we got to the 90s, how was Magic always in front of Bird with the whole lopsided agenda? That means they were, just like for LeBron and Jordan. They're tweaking it for one person. So how good was Magic if they're tweaking it for Bird in the first place? Even though Bird was great, but the fact that, like you would think that, all right, Bird then Magic or they're right then, but it's like Magic's at four or five and then Bird's at 11, 12.

So it's like, ah, I mean Magic must have been really on that motherfucker. Yeah. No, he- And do you think because the way is his career ended to yeah all of you think he because he didn't he didn't Get the finish. Yeah, all of the plays of a okay. Yeah, all of it plays because he just yeah people People have memories like an elephant when they want to mm-hmm They wonder they want to remember she wouldhmm. They want to remember shit that's convenient for them to fit their narrative. So yeah, it's.

So with that being said, move on to the next one so we don't have to really pick. No, we're not picking. No, no, no, no. We're not getting out of this. We don't want to pick. But I'm going to throw this out here. My Mount Rushmore just hooper ever to pick up a ball,

I'm putting Skip Tamalu in there. Okay. And one legend. Just to pick up a basketball just to ever, like, at 11 years old, yeah. Turn my mic off. I got to go to the bathroom. For sure. Yeah, for sure.

Rafe Austin and one mixtape. Oh, that's what you grew up on? Yeah, Rafe Austin. For sure. Yeah, for sure. Rafe Austin and one mixtape. Oh, that's what you grew up on. Yeah, Rafe Austin For sure anyone make a you get it climbed over the couch. You did it ninja style Hey Daniel Daniel Daniel, we're not talking about was bird not good or not We're saying deal you but you have the conservatives already in the upward because you're Dramon stuff. So this clip is going to get flipped now that you hate white basketball players.

No, no, no, I'm saying... I'm just saying. What I'm saying is if Bird has this big advantage because he was white, right, and he was good, right, not just white. He's white averaging 28.

Yeah. Right? You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, he's Luka right now. So how did Magic surpass him? If they both got the same Magic, they both got five minutes.

Magic beats him, though, in the Natty game. Magic gets to come to L.A. I'm saying Bird and Boston. It couldn't have worked out more perfect for the league is what I feel like. And that's kind of my point.

Like, if you put Magic in another city, he's still an amazing player, still a Hall of Famer. But for what L.A. was at that time, Hollywood would have represented, and even what it represents now. So you think Hollywood kind of pushed him to a home?

It just pushed him to a home. But he had the charisma, and this is what you're talking about, like Jalen Brunson the other day, in a major market, but that name in terms of just the star power, amazing basketball player, but even a guy like Jai, you've got to have those other ingredients and factors to it that now the kids embrace it. And then you don't even talk about magic from a business side. Like, the business acumen off the chart, getting those graphic T-shirts out back in the day, pissing Jordan off, starting a movie theater, unlimited strawberry soda refills.

Just telling you, visionary. So, like, some people say, so now, look, look. So somebody wrote, Bird was better than Magic. Gilbert, stop it. Then why is Bird not in anyone's top five? That's the question. You're not listening to what I'm saying. You're listening to the answer.

If Bird was better than Magic, how is Magic in front of Bird? They both got five rings, right? So how, if Bird, Oh, Bird got three. How is Magic in front of Bird on all categories? That's the question I'm asking. They think I'm saying something. I'm asking the question. If Bird

was better than Magic in everyone's eyes, and he was white also, and he was this killer, how did Magic surpass him on all basketball categories? Just play and then five and three. You know what I mean? Five and three.

Five versus three. Nine finals appearances, 12 years, five titles. Coming in as a rookie, though, winning the chip, winning finals MVP. I'm just saying, like. That's like L chip winning finals MVP. I'm just saying like that's like that's like that's like that's like Luca winning right now Luca winning three championships and at the end of their career Ja is in front of him in all categories Right you'll be you'll be sitting like how the fuck did that happen? If Ja came in dropping 40 in the finals

I'm just saying like okay. I mean that's what I'm saying. It's for magic from the jump I'm already a champion. So now they came in, all right, Magic beat you in the 90 game. Magic wins a championship in his first NBA season. He's in LA.

What I'm saying is, I need to... Y'all know I'm going to go back and look at all articles. I'm going to go look at all articles because I want to see when did...

Like, I always thought like it was always Magic and Bird. Video game, shoes. Like, it was always them two. video game shoes like it was always them too So when someone always used route Mount Rushmore, right? This is early 90s right bird and magic was always together, right? It was always Jordan magic bird when you hear

Jay-z talk Jordan magic, but I'm like Jordan magic and bird all rolled in one Where when where's the separation that moved bird so far away from magic? Jay-Z talk, Jordan, Magic, Bird. I'm like, Jordan, Magic, and Bird all rolled in one. Where's the separation that moved Bird so far away from Magic? Like, when did it happen? But you especially talk 84 to 86. Bird went in three straight MVPs, so it's interesting. Now think about what I'm saying. Like, how, when we do a top ten right now, when did Bird move so far away? With all new players coming in, Kobe, right, Shaq, Magic is staying in place.

Bird is the one that's being bopped out. Because at some point in the middle of the 90s, he was top five ever. I think it's position. LeBron? LeBron, KD. Yeah, he a three. But even he's just a wing, period. I don't think we differentiate twos and threes when we're talking about that. We look at him as a wing.

And if you're thinking about it in that regard, he's fighting Kobe, he's fighting LeBron. But still, right? It's weird. Like, okay, think about, okay, let's say when they both retired, right? Who was the top five? Jordan, I mean, they still had Jordan in their early. So Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, and Will. Will probably, yeah. Right, soareem, and Will. Will probably.

Right? So those was the five. And Bill Russell. Will, Will Russell. So you know what I mean? Every new player that came in, how was Magic still right there at the four, the six area? Because you got a guy by the name of LeBron James. Yeah, because I think his position, nobody ever seen him like it. the sixth area and because you got a guy by the name of LeBron James.

I think his position nobody ever seen unlike it. And to your point, he was the alien. He's the 6'9 point guard. Ain't nobody ever seen anything like it and haven't seen anything like it. So I think his spot in that is solidified because of

who he is and what he did for the game and his stature and ability. I think it's solidified that no matter what people might want to throw into the conversation, negativity-wise, negative-wise, I just don't think it outshadowed what he did for the game and who he is. It's because 10 more years, at least 10 more years, if Kirby is not the number one point guard ever, Magic will be the number one point guard 10 more years from now, and Bird wouldn't even be the top one point guard 10 more years from now and Bird wouldn't even be the top

four small forwards. That is interesting. Like Bird wouldn't even... And that's crazy when they retired and it was... Yeah, because it's not... Because you also have to start putting it in real context

though. The Because you also have to start putting it in real context, though. They're not... The point guard position now is not considered a point guard anymore, so to speak. You've got a couple guys that's coming along now, but most of the guys now, you've got to have a certain skill set in order... And most of the guys now, you got to have a certain skill set in order. And most of those guys now, like to your point, if you're a 6'5", 2 guard, you're small. So now guys come in, they're playing these positions. You want taller, younger, faster, athletic. So now you got guys coming in.

Now you're looking at these guys. Okay, if he has this skill set Then I'm gonna put him at this position. Mm-hmm. So you got six nine six ten three man Six seven two guards and point guard like you got a guy like say Shay I hear six seven playing a poor girl. Yep Because they're not looking at them guys but So Magic came through and he was the, oh shit, this guy does it all. But historically, the point guard position guys, you 5, 11, 6, if you 6, 4 as a point guard, you're considered a big point guard. Here's another question. What? Do you think it was purposely done to keep Magic and Jordan's legacy where it is? When LeBron came in, right, he was considered a Magic Johnson 2.0 with Jordan-like jumping ability, right? Magic Johnson 2.0 with Jordan-like jumping ability, right?

Magic Johnson 2.0. Do you think because he was so good so early that it would have moved Magic out? Because if LeBron James was... Because they both were the same. They both came in as shooting guards. Both considered point forwards. Magic is a point lebron is a small forward yeah do you think that was intentional because if they had lebron as a point

they would have le they would have uh lebron as the number one point my first question for everybody on this couch though is do you consider lebron a point guard or has he played the point guard position for long stretches of his career because Because they list him as small forward. I've always looked at him as a small forward. Okay. Because he got the ball in his hand, he played, I've always looked at him. But even if he's initiating the offense on offense, you still. Because he's always had a guy out there that played the position.

But that was. But for offense or for defensive purposes? When you looked at the fucking stat sheet, most of his career, his motherfucker had an SF next to it. But that's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. But they did that with Matthew. But they had a guy that had a PG next to it and an SG.

I just look at them guys for what that is for most of their career, what we look at them as and what he is being voted in, all-stars and stuff like that. I just look at him as that position and what I don't look at He's the playmaker on the team, but he's the dominant player on the team

So he's gonna have the ball in his hand to make those decisions. Was it I was ascending with magic Magic they had the guards, but he had a PG next to his name who I know but they have a PG in the only team But but they had the PG next to his name and they had the PG next to his name. And they had the SG next to Norm Nixon. No, no. Norm Nixon had PG. So they didn't have PG-PG. No, they had shooting guard.

They had Magic. Magic came in shooting guard. Okay, but then eventually it changed when they got rid of Norm. I think it was five years. But when they got rid

of Norm Nixon, it changed to PG. Yeah. Right? So that's what people looked at. But then they were LeBron. There was a few years

where they put him at point guard Yeah, put him yeah, but but throughout his career. He's been a small forward you had Eric snow Yeah, you had other guys who technically played the position Okay By by but would you consider me even in that point forward range then if he's playing? Yeah, cuz he got the body He's deaf. He's the he's the dominant decision maker on the team.

I just like the idea that. On the break, he's bringing the ball up the floor. The point guard, very seldom, unless they're trying to get into a certain set, that the point guard is bringing the ball up the floor. I just like the idea that you say this is Magic Johnson 2.0, and then when he starts doing all this, you're like, oh, no, he's small forward. We're going to take the small forward of him, not the point guard. Now, Magic gets the stage.

Instead of it really being LeBron at the point, Jordan at the two. Yeah, but stop all the debate. Like, you ask him what he think he is. Like, what do you think you are? And I think he will say he's a small forward. Like, I'm the best. I'm asking that question. I think he will say I'm the best small forward

of all time. Not that I'm the best basketball player of all time for sure, but I'm the best small forward of all time. Yeah, I never asked him that question. And to your point, you go back and look at LeBron's career, primarily shooting guard, shooting guard to start, small forward

for a number of years, power forward for a little bit during his time in Miami, small forward when he came back to start, small forward for a number of years, power forward for a little bit during his time in Miami, small forward when he came back to Cleveland. One year as point guard, 2019-2020, the year the Lakers won the hardest championship in NBA history. Two years. Two years point guard, and then they put him at the center, and then put him at power forward, power forward.

He didn't just do shit, man. So he's the greatest center ever. Greatest center ever in NBA history Yeah, imagine to your point You know what? Imagine starting up shooting guard for a number of years. Say the first four years he was a shooting guard But we issued my pops a while ago and he said Norm played a lot of shooting guard as well despite his height I should have did to mess up the votes for all-star though Like just left him at the position like all year like what the fall start voting put him at a center and see what he Get voted like let him get voted in the all-star game as a sinner and at least somebody off

Yo, then the power forward didn't have it no more But I'm saying that's what they should have did before like just put him at the position Let him get voted in for that easy because he was a leading vote get a fucking every year, you know So just it would have left somebody off that wouldn't get voted in that was killing at the position let him get voted in for that easy because he was a leading vote get a fucking every year you know just it would have left somebody off that wouldn't get voted in that was killing at the fire his pet is his mom but as I said magic came in as a shooting guard I'm with four years but he was never but it was as that he was never a shooting because it was good primary ball and yeah so magic or step you're staying there still ask damn question. I'm not I want no parts of this

You plead the fifth we finish. Oh, yeah, I'm god. We're finished. I'm always with you guys Why yeah, because the reason because my point guard is LeBron James, so I put LeBron and Michael Jordan at the one and the two No issue with that. I got the most I never letting let him i got the most athletic one two ever in history magic was very exciting showtime if you get it not yet watch the hbo series when you look at just when you look at highlights man you'd be like dang not for sure this is this you want some highlights don't do it for me but it's really it's really at this point it's your preference i'm a big lebron guy but i can't knock steph fans i can't knock mj fans for me. But it's really, at this point, it's your preference. I'm a big LeBron guy, but I can't knock Steph fans. I can't knock MJ fans, Kobe fans.

It's about respect. But I always respect y'all opinions, players. It grates. You know what I mean? It grates. At the end of the day. We all know the variables that go with teams, teammates, organizations, all the other shit that goes.

But everybody's so focused on accolades and winning when a lot of that stuff is out of those guys' control at a certain point. If that franchise is not giving you what you need to do it... And let's look at the Warriors just a little bit. Are they giving Steph what he needs right now? Like, can Steph continue carrying the Warriors at this pace all season? Hey, man, don't say... Clay is doing his thing. We're going to talk Clay in a second.

I just said it. Anything you want to say to Clay? He's doing his thing. Okay. He's doing his thing. So he's been listening. So should he have bet on himself? No, no, no, no, no. Because you know, I didn't even realize it that two games ago was the first time he shot 19 shots or above when that's what he used to put the ball up so the last three games he shot over 19 shots right there three and oh since he's been balling or three and once has been balling he's 19 for 19 for his last 19 free throws would you like to know it's the clay's been averaging with during Dre suspension go 27 points for reb, 3.3 assists, 43% from the field, 40 from 3. They should have paid my man first. No, it's going to hurt him in the long run.

It's going to hurt him because, you know, he's about to be 35. So right now it's just tricky with numbers. It's 35, it's tricky with numbers, right? Ideally, I want them for two years. If I give them four years, the money's going to drop. I give them more money for two years than I would for four. Four year, $25 million. Two year, $35 million.

So Clay will be 34 in February. 34. But my question for you is, if you, Clay, just put yourself in his position, are you taking that two-year deal or are you trying to get the most bread you can and trying to go forward for less bread? It all depends, right? It's what you do as business, right? You got a four-year, 100.

Two-year, 70. Right? Two-year, 70. Two-year, 70. Yeah, two-year, 70. Three-year, 90. Right? Right, two years 70, two years, two years, yeah, two years 70, three years 90, right? And say, all right, pick which one you want. Do you want the four years or do you want, right, it all depends on where he's at mentally. I mean, they gave Dre what, four for 100. He can't put the ball in the basket like him.

They got to make it up. So basketball shit, right? Klay playing better because he's able to... Of course, he's a great player, but you got a guy like CP out there. What Klay do best, catch and shoot. And CP out there motherfuckers putting him right where he want to. Now you got a guy like John DeComingo that's putting, catch the shoot. And see, Piotr, that motherfucker, putting him right where he want to. Now you got a guy like John DeComingo

that's putting pressure at the rim, rolling, picking. I see what you're doing. Picking, rolling. Uh-oh. There's space. Like, he's picking, he's causing a problem at the rim, so now guys have to react to it.

Now he's catching, being able to shoot, catch one dribble. Guys running at it now instead of we got to focus in on him defensively and not let him get off. Now he's able being able to shoot catch one dribble guys running at him now instead of we got to focus in on him Defensively and not let him get off now. He's able to play more freely like he was playing before you had Katie out there Yeah guys who? Efficient in their play which Chris Paul knows one thing he knows how to fucking do mm-hmm is get guys open shots There was a few times last night. I'm looking Ceef, shoot it Ceef, he

boom boom pump and he getting guys to... So I think he's able to play freely and you got guys that's putting pressure at the rim like Jonathan Kamenka, he's rolling. He's not a pick and pop guy. So when a guy rolling that's a letter you got to pay. You have to tag it, you got to react to it. Because if not he throwing a bitch to him, it's going to be a dunk every play. So I think CP is helping play in that regard. I thought you was going down that lane. I thought you was saying that this is... No, no, no, no.

Oh. Never, never, no. No, no, no, no, no. I understand because CP... No, that's a great argument. CP a better offensive threat than Draymond. So the ball is in his hand. He's a better offensive threat. Draymond. So the ball is in his hand, he's a better offensive threat.

So now you have to play him different when he's in the pick and roll, because you're not throwing the ball in the post. How they throw the ball in the post to Dray, let Dray, they split. Now it's that action. Now teams, they didn't guard that shit forever, so now they somewhat figured out how to guard the splits and things in that regard. Now you add a different dynamic to it when a guy that's a playmaker who's a pass-first guy and who's going to make the right play every single time and no turnovers. That makes all the difference in a shooter and a scorer where he ain't got to work as hard to get his shot now.

Before Clay, we didn't see enough at the start of the season, whatever, he's having to take three, four, five dribbles to get his shot now. Before Clay, we didn't see enough, the start of the season, whatever, he's having to take three, four, five dribbles to get his shit off. And that ain't what he do. Now he's able to, one, two, one, it's that quick decisions now, because CP is putting him in those positions too. Because now the guys are having to

react to certain things, and CP does a good job of getting in the window, making guys react to it. Now you got a road thread and a live threat which CP thrives in mm-hmm when you got a road thread in the live threat for CP Now you can get at the rim you got this this this that With him and he got shooters Steph clay now you still you still gotta worry about 30 You ain't leaving him. Mm-hmm

That's all. It's just basketball. It's my bad. No, no, no, no, no. It makes you think, you know, with this three weeks vacation that Draymond has, when he comes back, if Kaminga and Klay is playing very well, right,

because Kaminga's bringing something different or because he's athletic, when he does roll, it actually opens up a whole other category that hasn't been opened up before. That helps Klay. That helps Curry. That pass that Curry got, he's catching it as a shooting guard. That's CP fining him.

Do you bring Dre back off the bench? I think they're a better situation suited with Jonathan Kaminga on the floor. That's like just mentally when you're on these teams and you ain't playing This is why you got to always mentally be ready to play because you don't know what's gonna happen And when they call your name your ass better be ready And this is coming a chance to say hey, I'm an NBA player Jackson Davis. Yeah That's it. Yep athleticism around the rim dog. He creating a problem around the rim, dog. He creating a problem around the rim.

Offensive and defensive. Light skin? Light skin. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Is it Dale Davis' kid, right? Yep. Dale Davis, right?

Not Antonio. It's Dale Davis' kid. Athletic, creating a problem around the rim. Pick, roll. He's creating a problem, so those dudes, dudes shooters man. Him and Kamee got there together. Yeah that's trouble. They played great down the stretch and in overtime. They played them 17 straight game minutes together. The guy wasn't in the rotation three weeks, two weeks ago. Jackson Davis wasn't in the rotation two

weeks ago. Your point, stay ready. Two straight good games. And you have a formula now. You put that on the floor. I love what Looney does. He's definitely serviceable because the offense is rebounding what he does

in that regard. But you bring a different dynamic when you are lob threat and a roll threat to this NBA. To this NBA

and those two players you got. Absolutely. But we've talked about it. At what point would the Warriors have to start trusting their young core more, kind of giving these guys opportunities? Dre kind of created that situation obviously by slapping

the shit out of Nert. There's been reports from Shams that if Kaminga came in, he'd perform well, there'd be talks about having him be permanent star to bring Dre off the bench. Obviously, nothing lasts forever, but... No, the writing's on the wall, because just in three games,

you can see there's a real big difference offensively. And defensively, I don't... Defensively, they're not losing as much as they would have thought right they're not you got you have two athletic guys out all the more athletic they're challenging shit at the rim so

teach them and you can you can defensive help film film can help defensive shit dog space and situational shit team shit film can make that gap up for Dre and him I'm just I just great Draymond is defensive player here all that things included yeah absolutely yeah taking nothing off Draymond's plate whatsoever but look nothing lasts forever again at some point at some point you got to come back these

decisions are going to be made but dre's going to come back and get us like you said before like coming back to a team it's a different look team now now these guys got to build some confidence now you walking back in early january after a couple weeks off early january let's say they i'm gonna say let's say they 12 and 1 12 and two like yeah They looking at you if you mess up one more time you who you the Jordan pool now. We want you out And it all depends on whatever it depends on how they're playing at that moment in time because you ain't gonna be able to come back And just go up everything Then you got the guys like Well, you got his money. Moses Moody.

Mo the Moody, man. They still going to need to make a move, though. That's our legend. Going to state. They still going to need to make a move, though. And that's what... Yeah. They going to need it. They still need to make a move.

But we've talked with pieces. What gets moved? I mean, you know, you got Dunleavy in there. He may not have the loyalty and allegiance that Bob Myers did. He got to make a move. He got to get ruthless. You said he got to get ruthless. Like, let's just... Hypothetically, let's just say... He may not have the loyalty and allegiance that Bob Myers. They gotta make a move Like I'm like let's just hypothetically let's just say both. Let's just say

mid January this team is like 22 okay, right a Package for Draymond and Wiggins to bring in another score? I'm not fighting it. I mean, I wouldn't be mad because, you know, at that point, I mentally already said, you know, Kaminga's going to be my four.

Now I'm just basically using Dray and Wiggins to give me back a nice three. Like I said, nothing lasts forever. We will monitor that situation. Got three years on that deal. Yeah. Then I don't mind signing a play back. I'm saying a reasonable price, 25 a year, whatever it is.

Yeah. That's not absurd is what I'm saying. You can get something for that. Four for $100. Yes, for the Golden State Warriors. Da, I'm... Yes, Draymond has... Yes.

Hall of Fame, yes. For what he's done, but... Does Draymond fit another team? What Draymond brings to the table? Yeah, we can use him over here. The Lakers for sure. The Lakers for sure use him. The Lakers can use him.

Yeah, we need some people to talk to. Other than that. Other than that team. Other than him being enforcer for the Lakers. That's all we need at this point. Other than him being enforcer for the Lakers. That's all we need at this point. Other than that. Other than that. I'm just.

He only need one team. Lakers. All he needs is one team. That's all it takes is one. Yes, we all know that. We're talking about basketball here. We're talking about basketball here. Miami?

Okay. No, I mean, I just think the Lakers. You don't feel like Miami? I think he's going to need to play with somebody that's just like he could. There's another team, Gil. Oh, I mean, I just think the way because I am II I think he gonna need to play with somebody That's just like he cool. There's another team go Oh Boston Hey, maybe him over there in Boston instead of Al Horford Yeah, no, I mean, I mean besides the besides that this shoes were so you got I'm thinking I'm talking about basketball I'm thinking I'm talking about basketball here, fellas.

And with basketball, it comes mental. So I'm thinking off the court, Lakers. He got a home here. He's from here. Very friendly with the Bucs. You know what I'm saying? It's easy. Where does he fit in with the Lakers?

Just go do you. You work hard. Just go do you. I mean, the Lakers just need to go do you. I mean, that's all. I mean, the Lakers just need, just go do you. I mean, the V-I-C-K-E-R. What is it? Take out Prince? Don't give me.

I mean. No, Torrey Prince makes shots, dog. No, I just thought. No, he don't. He take shots. I'm about to say, yeah. I'm about to say, he don't make shots. He take them.

He ain't making shit. We need to cut them dreads. Let's talk about another potential trade rumor. Cavs All-NBA guard Donovan Mitchell's name has been mentioned as a possible trade target this season, according to ESPN's Brian Winters. The Heat, Knicks, and Nets all have interest in acquiring the four-time

All-Star. Mitchell's a New York native. Before he got traded to Cavs last season, Knicks seemed like the favorite to land him. He's got one more year on his deal and a player option in 2025. He's making like 33 this season 35 next season Gil which team could benefit the most from trading for Donovan Mitchell

We got the heat Nets Knicks are amongst that three there. Wait he up on the books. Huh? He up on the books Well, I just I'm trading he I mean he's need more scoring Average of 28 6 and 6 assists this season He need more score. Okayverage of 28, 6, and 6 assists this season. Heat need more scoring. Okay. They need someone with Jimmy. I mean, if you send him to New York, who are you getting rid of? Brunson got that thing on the swivel over there, so.

Yeah, he got that thing on the swivel. So Heat would be the best move okay huh I like that I don't know who they getting back in Cleveland but I don't know who always mentioned in these that's crazy that he's like could be on the move again on this under and there's your underside shooting guard man no no no yeah I mean that's the yeah I'm the size shooting guard is like yeah yeah Sacramento yes I'm a in the chest Will you get rid of I already have Fox small same right, I mean

You gotta think about it when we go up against think about like this when we go up against Tatum Which one of us is guarding Tatum sir? You know Fox or in a own conference. Huh? We go We got to play Phoenix. One of us got to guard Devin Booker. One of us got to guard Kevin Durant. No, no, the other one got to guard Bradley Beal. He more of they. But still, somebody got to guard.

So you run into the same. You know, like I said, there's only a few guards that, like, you got Luka who's 6'9". So, at him at the point, you can technically say he's a two and then go get you a point that's 6'2", 6'3". And fine. He off balances that. When you got your guards already 6'2", 6'3", you don't need to bring in a shooting guard that's 6'2", 6'3". Y'all are babies out there, man. I'm just surprised he's on the move that much already. Because Garland's more of a point guard.

It's all about winning and shit, right? Is he helping win? No, I think they got... I think they were better before he got there. Exactly. That was just me, though. So you answered your own question. Like when they were making that little run?

So you answered your own question. What? You surprised that he don't know. You're not surprised that they were winning before he got there. So now they're realizing, we should have kept what we had. That's what I'm saying. Right?

Him and Garland, you're like... Like Garland's more of a point, right? And a better decision maker better decision with the ball anything so I'd rather have him and then you know I don't know if a money baits put him at the shame. I got see I can put him at the two I Think that must I think about how I mean I look at the game I got if I have if I have Garnett the one I can come in and put a money base at the two he can guard twos and he's he becomes a six Nine shooting guard so was Donovan Mitchell better off and just coming off the bench No, no, and then you got it so now I'm not disaster. We got a top

Picking you got a top five pick and Mobley. You got a top five pickle the other kid KJ draft the other kid. No, no, no. The KJ drafted, the 20 kid they drafted. Not that good of a basketball player, space small forward. Whatever he is. But you got him in the top five pick. Okoro.

Okoro, him. He's not that good. He's not. That's why we couldn't remember. Yeah, he's not that good. He can't go to Miami. Where he go he's not that good. If he can't go to Miami, where he go? So now you got Donovan Mitchell coming in. How about Brooklyn? Can he go to Brooklyn?

Yeah. No. But Brooklyn ain't got him. Yeah, yeah. We already got Cam at the beginning. We got Cam Thomas, he's the same height. Better score, in my opinion. Younger.

No, Cam's bigger. He's bigger? He's 6'6"? Yeah. He's 6'6"? Donovan Mitchell's like 6'3". I know he's 6'3". Donovan Mitchell's 6' three. Yeah, he's small. He's not. Oh That's what I'm saying. He's not he's

Yeah, he got it. It's for camp five four without shoes two million dollars without a shoe the camp four million next year I'm just saying turn. Oh, he ain't even treated. Yeah, I'm just they not yeah, that's not I'm just just two small guys like you And they're not winning with him and now it's starting to happen. Mobley's growth because he ain't getting the shots he needs

and he ain't getting the production that you expect out of him. It's a lot. Damn. That's all. Yeah, so we talk about the heat they missed out on

several big name stars. You can think about Dame, even Drew Holiday in the aftermath. But Jimmy Butler called that team a few weeks ago mediocre.

They're seventh seed right now. You think he fits with that squad, and if he does, how good does he make that Heat team? Anything for anybody to worry about? You just give the defensive, no matter who they have out there, they're going to compete defensively. Offensively is where they struggle sometimes because they just don't have enough offense to keep up with today's NBA.

And the way Jimmy plays, you know, Jimmy's not a guy who's averaging 30, 33 points a game, right? He's going to give you his 22 to 25, right? And then he's going to try to impact the game, try to steal a game at the end, last five minutes. That's where, you know, when you're talking about Jimmy, it's like the last five minutes is where he's scoring his eight to 10 points.

So you need somebody who can do some heavy lifting in the first three quarters. Yeah, they need that. They need another score. Bam need to be a four. Need a five, put an extra to him, take that pressure off of him so he can play freely. Let him put pressure at the rim, athletic, let him roll, be a four. You need a five, put an extra to him, take that pressure off of him so he can play freely. Let him put pressure

at the rim, athletic, let him roll, be that guy. I just, yeah, they need another scorer, whether it's Donovan Mitchell

or somebody else. I think Miami needs some help. But if it is him, I just don't. They still need more. Yeah, they still need more. Yeah,

they still need more, bro. Yeah, that's it. Well, I mean, that's the thing. When you look at any of these moves now, it's like, all right, well, does it make you better than the Bucks? Does it make you better than the Celtics? It ain't got to be better than them,

but does it make our team better? Yeah, but I'm just saying, be able to compete with those guys. Does it make our team better? And if it makes our team better, then we give ourselves a chance against no matter who. But does it help us here currently as constructed? What we have in place if we make a move,

does he add to it? Does he help us be better? And if we are better, of course we're going to compete. Because we're the Miami Heat. And that's who they're who that they gonna compete no matter what they made to the final But that's just not forget as the AFC last year. Let's not forget, right? You add down okay cool, but I just think you still Still need more because the rest everybody else like to your other team has gotten better Yes, but does

whoever we bring in, does it make us better? Yeah. Charlotte. They dominated Mitchell to the Charlotte Hornets. Shit, mental ball was 6'7 and a half, 6'8. Shit, he can guard twos if you have two. And then

now you got guys that's passing around where his because who's the shooting guard over there? Isn't it scary Terry? Yeah. Yeah There we go. You can fit that switch. I got somebody who can put up 70. Yeah, but is that where he want to go? I don't get where you want to go. This is where we gonna go. Okay, Cleveland. So she does upgrade This is upgrading cities shit Come on is a good city. Charlotte a good city, is it?

Yeah. Yeah. A lot of time there, plan to Oak Hill. OK. How far is that from a? Two hours. OK. A lot of Bojangles.

Eating Bojangles chicken. Bojangles. Word about your mouth. Got some good bird at Bojangles, baby. That bird. That old yard bird at Bojangles bird. Hello. Yardbird at Bojangles And you're before we move on to mostly fans we have a question from underdog user by the name of Josiah Johnson Steph Stuff for magic

I'm the 50 in my account, please. I'm running low, Gil. All right. RJ Bear sold me. And it is a video question. It is a video question. God, I'll bear it. Appreciate you.

Nah, I'm just kidding. I think that we'll see as it progresses. But in your opinion, Gil, what does Steph need to do for the rest of his career to solidify him as that? Just finish it, man. Is it more chips? Is it more, is it? There's just stats that those guys get to use as trump cards.

Three finals MVPs. You just get to use that others don't. It's a different NBA, different rules, different stats being, you know, gotten. So. I mean, getting another ring would help. Getting another one would. Getting another ring with a finals MVP puts him at two. Then he has to get another ring with a finals MVP.

Go get that gold medal. Six rings, three finals MVPs. Yeah, he had to get three finals every year. I'm just saying, you got to get two more. So you got to go two and two on that side. So that would put him at six total rings. Just for people to bring up something else. Yeah, just for the talk.

Just for the talk. It's just the talk. It's just like the end season with Braun. Mike ain't got one. Mike does not have an nc the tournament championship like pointed it up you never he can never do it can't we like making you mad sometimes they didn't make me mad i just think i'm a i'm a realistic i'm a i'm a black and white like i just think in certain ways

and I'm a black and white like I just think in certain ways and For Andre Iguodala to have a finals MVP Well, I'm not he did shut down Bronley playing my abs 40 I flip all this shit over in this I flip all these motherfucking drinks over to say that shit again No, no, but the pot but but it's But Steph, but to be honest Steph would have been the way he played that series He wouldn't have been the finals MVP. Anyway, they've just been LeBron Okay, and that's I mean give it to him that they give and it was weird Gave it to the losing player team player before goddamn. of the first finals of the first finals MVP went to the loser

So therefore it shouldn't be The first person who won the war didn't win the championship. So it was weird the logo of the league one chip. Yeah Because he was the best player in the fun series You know, so it's... But career winning percentage, Magic Johnson, 74%. Well, all I'm saying is... See, I don't like that. Because it needs to be,

well, he came in on the number one team. Because if not, let's just, if we call in, they wouldn't have been in the fucking finals if it wasn't for Steph, man. Oh, fuck. You know what I'm saying? Let's not base it on just these fucking six games, dog.

Come on, man. Let's be honest about it. We real sports people, man. We think about this shit in real time, and we're honest with what we see and what the situation is. Did Andre Iguodala play a part in them winning? Abso-fucking-lutely. 1000%. Take nothing away from what he did to help his team win the NBA championship. Yes, box checked. He wouldn't have had the opportunity if it wasn't for 30.

And damn if he had a mediocre six game, he still played well enough in order to help us fucking win. And for people to look at that shit and be like, well, $100 played better than Steph Curry. Come on, man. We have agendas to push. That shit is... That shit is weak. They should have gave it to the guy who dominated.

That shit is weak. He lost his second and third option and had to put up the numbers. That is the finals MVP. Okay, we get it. They lost, but cool. If you look through history, you did it a bunch of times. You did it already. This shit started with a loser. God get it. They lost, but cool. Right? If you look through history, you did it a bunch of times. Yeah, you did it already. This shit started with a loser.

Like, goddamn it. You know what I mean? This motherfucker didn't start with a winner. It didn't start. You won the championship. It started with, damn, this motherfucker good. Hey, congratulations, but we're going to get this MVP to him. It started with that, right?

So that's the fucking funny part. You started the bullshit. You started it. You started the bullshit. Right, so that's the fucking funny part Members most of which were never who before that are watching these games determining Who's the most valuable player of the fun? Oh, yeah, you get the was it 37 13 and 9 6 4 and 8 This creaky defensive plays down the stretch yet that that's better than what

Well, let's keep this thing moving. It happens. Time for Mostly Fans. Eat one. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. As always, help us help you. The Oakleys? Yeah, I'm trying to do the Oakley clap.

Wait, you bring Oakleys back? I got a number for you. I got some Oakleys at the crib. Girl, now you got the box. I know you got to remember this, right? You got to remember what you got to look at. So you sent it in. I got caught this morning with my kids.

Malcolm in the middle. I need some of you to show. Oakley, a very, very honorable brand. I think Oakley Tough Crowd Collab, I for one would purchase an unlimited amount of those glasses. Why we got to purchase? I ain't got to purchase. Yeah, go get some. Because I'm trying to get in the bag. I need some nice reading.

I need some nice seeing Oakley glasses. Okay, I got you. Clear. See through. See through. Like real life, my shit deteriorating. For real? Yeah.

No, my shit, I can just read and shit and my arms ain't that long. My shit, I hear it now. I'm like, damn. As long as I ain't making the font too big on my phone, I'm good. Motherfucker over here like, damn them words big. Them letters big as shit. My dad's phone like, damn, you can be in PC that bad? Like big ass fucking- But he won't go get glasses with him. Like one word per line? Yeah.

50 and over. Just think about your privacy, dog. Everybody can see that combo you have. Yes. A little font at the end. All right, so first question is from Underdog User by the name of DCRoom93. Who are your top five players from your alma mater from when you played there till now so when when you play there until now Brandon obviously you went to Italy so who your top five Italians damn sure me Michael Cardi on the Don The Don. Yeah, yeah, he just named it. Italian? The Don.

Hey, I was on a... Mike, you calling on us? Shit, everybody from The Godfather. Alfredo. Alfredo. I was on a deep Goodfellas dive last night. Yeah, definitely, Alfredo. Alfredo. Man, I was watching Tommy DeVito highlights from Goodfellas.

R.I.P. Spider. That's a question for Gillen. You would have went to Arizona, so if you could just give us your... They don't count. I was going to say Salim Stoudemire. Winner. Richard

Jefferson. Chase Budinger. And Jared Bayless. Jason Gardner, me, Richard Jefferson, Michael Wright, Lord Woods. I'm going to name his teammates. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hear that?

They're getting up and eight on the squad? We was the best team ever Even though we didn't win it. We were but we'll bust that championship team ass Who might be blue? Hell? Yeah We were Baby, Michael Diggerson. I don't know about that. No that Richard Jefferson. That's my condition. I don't know about that. My assignments gotta guard me Good luck. Mm-hmm. Keep up. Mm-hmm Arizona has some keep up cuz you like that has low darks You must miles if you watching this. Oh, we got it. We got our group chat going on. Who's the bigs?

We got Michael Wright and Lauren was who they had they had Like Bennett David Bennett Davis jump. I feel like my team. B, Jeff Bayless, Jordan Hill, and Chase Budinger. They would bust y'all ass too, man. They would bust y'all ass. You said they would only beat y'all by like 10-15. You heard me, goddammit. Only by about a good 10. Y'all would have been in it.

Shit. What do y'all have over there? You said like Michael Lee, getting that him, Drew and them all. What, all time? Yeah, from when you played to now. From when I played? Yeah, to now.

OK, go before me. According to this question from D3. So somebody I played with, so Danny Fortson, Demar Johnson, myself, Steve Logan. Look like DMX legend. And Sean Kilpatrick. Who the fuck is that? Exactly. He was bucket. Fuck. Look like DMX legend and Sean Kilpatrick Exactly Fuck better good googling school. Go go out that that motherfucker Cincinnati. We're here, huh?

We was scored 2,000 Paul college. Yeah No, Lance Stevenson. They're asking Sean Kilpatrick Can you respond to his list is his list. Hey, he be just saying them. Where is Lance Stevenson at? Oh, Lance Stevenson? Your picture, see what I mean? Oh, my time.

See what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I can't see on that side. So, we got me, Danny, Demar, Steve, and yeah, we'll bust ass. Oh, yeah, we'll, yeah, we're destroying shit. Yeah, I just like to keep my team because I know where I fit in. I know where I'm going to get the ball.

I know where I'm going to get the ball. I know who's going to lead it in scoring. Yeah, you start adding Damon Stoudemire. Oh shit, no. Sean Elliott, shit like that. We got a 10th pick, first pick, sixth pick, Steve Logan, score, point guard, Sean Kilpatrick

at the two. So Logue at the one, Kilpatrick at the two, DeMar Johnson at the three. Danny and you? Danny at the four, me at the five. Yeah, we played them in a tournament once. I think Leonard Stokes gave us like 39 or something crazy. Oh, Mr. Basketball in New York Mmm. Yeah, Steve Logan was killing us too sad. Yeah. So yeah, so we had yeah

Busting ass. All right next question from underdog user Lars banks Do you guys feel like if it wasn't for Dre, Curry wouldn't be who he is today? Because the security. No. No. No. It ain't got nothing to do with. No.

No. Curry was going to be what Curry was, right? You know, you've seen glimpses of it his rookie season, you know. You know, I played against him in the rookie scene, but he had Monte Ellis over there. I gave him buckets. Gave him 40, 40, 45. Man, you had experience like that too against Steph, right? Yeah.

But, yeah. But you can see it early then. You know, from there it was just being confident in himself. So, yeah, Kirby was going to be Curly, period. I think the ankles, obviously those early injuries were kind of the biggest issue, but you could see it even, I mean Davidson coming into the league, what he was able to do, obviously the league didn't prioritize threes at that point early in his career, but if it did, he would have been getting a lot more buckets than he was already getting. Yeah, I agree with you. I don't think Curry's gonna be Curry.

Mm-hmm. Three for three. Yeah. I agree. Okay. Yeah, ain't nothing. The large banks. Yeah, that motherfucker last night proved even more.

What? Wardell is fucking pretty good. Wardell! Wardell. Still think championship level. Wardell! Without Dre. Still think championship level without Dre. Yeah. Okay.

Him? That's all you need? Who, 30? Wait. 30 is going to be 30. 30 is going to be 30. 30 is going to be 30. For sure.

Because you can just imagine, man, you put him out there where he can really spot up and just fucking shoot. Shit. That's it. They got rid of they got rid of They got rid of young fella for

Monty was up. My table's damn near like my kids after 20 something easily kill it easy and his I ever gonna go with him We see a bigger future we see a bigger role role with them. And they were right. It worked out. Yeah, they had Steven Jackson and all of them still over there. Nah. Not when Steph first got on. Yeah, it was because Steven Jackson was in the game when I scored 55. That was?

That's how. Okay. McCoy, Maggette, Azebuki. Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right, yeah. Yeah, that was that team. 55. Wait, who got that? Was it C.J. Watson's staff? Who got, I'm forgetting. C.J. Watson. He said, who got that?

He broke it. It was a few, yeah. Oh, that group. It was like a crew of guards. Each one was getting a little bit of work. Y'all know C.J. Watson's situation? Like, did he marry or anything like that? Y'all know?

Like, C.J. Watson? I don't think so. Was he married when we was playing? From Nevada? Yeah, C.J. Watson. Well, I don't think he was. Wait, listen, Nevada. Yes, CJ was well only well I know this I'll tell you soon

Come on, man. I know it's a funny. It's the world. It is fucking the lab But we know the kind of McGregor is a fan. Yeah, but I want to put up. Oh, yeah That was a funny one with all the situations No dry snitching by me. Okay. No, that's, yeah. We are getting arena. No dry snitching, baby.

This is why we are. Do you know why he said that, though? What? Why McGregor said that? Yeah, because he was wearing a C.J. Watson jersey. But why was he wearing a C.J. Watson jersey? What? Oh, so you don't, oh.

So we'll talk about this when we get done. You don't know why he was wearing a C.J. Watson jersey. Okay. Who the fuck wears a C.J CJ Watson Jersey to taunt another man a fan of the Las Vegas nightlife Fuck your couch My naive eyes. I got to go to Vegas again soon. I got to be in Vegas for Super Bowl.

Do not get me beat up. It was the Jewish doctor. I'll stay off of Koval Lane. Question number three from Underdog User by the name of Fierce Deception. It's a video question. What's good, Gil Zarina? I'm interested to know, in y'all opinion, which state has produced the best hoopers of all time? Now, we got Cali, we got New York, we got Florida, we got Georgia, we got Texas, Illinois.

In y'all opinion, which state has produced the best hoopers of all time? Just mention all 50 of them. I'm going to assume that Gil, Josiah, and Brandon are automatically going to roll with Cali, and that's fine. I don't blame y'all. But in my opinion, I got New York because New York has produced MJ, Kareem, Dr. J, Lamar Odom, Stephon Marbury, Carmelo Anthony. New York has produced a lot of great NBA players and has produced a lot of legendary street ballers. So who y'all got? 5,000 bucks.

So first of all, I think that's like 37 questions. But he was at the shootout, right? He was at the shootout. And he had a special message for Brandon. He said, Brandon, count your fucking days when he sees you in the championship. He got some work. Did he make it? I don't know.

Probably. Not if you're New York. Is he even old enough? He look young. He was from New York so them dead jumpers were not going in. Oh, come on. It was- Of course, Los Angeles.

I was looking all that like- Oh wait, he was missing? What state, boy? What state? What state? What state? Los Angeles is kind of his own state of mind though. Cali.

Yeah, California. California. Where's the best hoopers? Or DC? Yeah, no, Cali by far by far listen New York was the Mecca Back when the 80s was popping right there. Here we go. Oh what? You you see he went like Jordan because he was born it like he's using people who were born in in New York didn't play him was raised in New York born in New York

We don't know where the fuck everybody was born, so you can't count Michael Jordan because he was birthed there. He wasn't raised there, so it don't count. Miller wasn't raised there. That don't count. Baltimore is his home. That's where he was raised. That's where he learned

how to play basketball. New York fell off. The last great New Yorker that we can remember after all these trades and these there 45 going to high school and all that age shit was what Lamar Odom, Stephon Marbury, Lamar Odom right that was it Kimball Walker. Officer where Kimball from Kimball. What about Jesus Shuttlesworth? Lance Stevenson, right? Wish Iman

Chicago, please. Um, right so you don't like that's your group. That's your group in the last 20 something since 2001 That's the group right? So in the last decade and 20-some years This is your group shit. Yeah, damn to that when I this is the last 30 years This is it right don't name me people from the 80s. Right? Think about think about the name. He dr. J like he came green. He ain't named no one recent Like right there by the way five things right there. We can name five company name the whole that we can name the Clippers He ain't named no one recent. I think everybody buys from the state where they from. We can name five California fans right now.

We can name the Clippers. Yeah. We can name the Clippers. The Clippers is better than everybody from the 2000s to now. I think everybody buys from the state where they from. No, but what I'm and Westbrook, P.J. They can't name anyone in the last 20 years. Since 2000, that's better than those four alone.

And those guys are recent. I would say Seattle. Seattle got some. Washington got. He's always watching DC Washington State got some fucking hoops So watch this they got a ton of LA transplants everybody Know you motherfuckers go move in the goddamn Post With the Dorsey high school Goalposts Jamar went to Dorsey High School Yeah for like a bit of small whoo fuck went there for six weeks. No, no, no, we got some right here How long you with us? He didn't get no fucking report card six weeks. Yeah, he checked in

Okay, he checked in New York. I went to Oaks Christian New York in the lap New York in the last 20 years New York in the last 20 years can't even beat New Jersey. When you say that, New Jersey is not the nation's second greatest state. I've never met a New York Hooper that was better than a California Hooper. What I'm saying is you can't beat New York. I wouldn't go that far, Brandon Jennings. I wouldn't go that far Brandon Jennings. Huh? I wouldn't go that far. Okay, do you claim Michigan? I mean we went down there. Every time we went down there. We went down to Rutgers.

Every time we went to Rutgers. We went down to Rutgers, we let them know baby. New our presence. We was like Snoop. I ain't never had a bad game. We was like Snoop kicking down the bill. We kicking down them. Ah!

Ah! Drinking jungle juice after. Texas. That's what you said after 2000. Texas is a close second. We got Hoopers. Texas has produced a lot of Hoopers second we got Hooper's Texas Texas produced a lot of Hooper's we got a big-ass state though we got Hooper's

they got a bunch of role players that's fine a lot of them you know you got a feel a team a lot I mean you know if you want to start and? Come to Cali. You want role players? Go to Texas. Y'all got a handful. Y'all got five. On one team. That's all it is. Whew. No. So Chassa and Chicago got the best hoopers.

What? Who out of Chicago? State of Illinois. They got, they were running second for a while. They were running second for a while. That's A. Davis, D. Rose. KG. KG from?

Yeah. KG from Chicago. KG from Chicago. KG from Chicago. KG from Chicago. KG from Chicago. KG from Chicago. KG from Chicago. KG from Chicago. K best Hoopers. What? State of Illinois. They were running second for a while. They were running second for a while. Davis D. Rose.

KG from Chicago or South Carolina? He's from South Carolina. He went to high school. Will Bynum. Very good. Pat Beverly. Pat Beverly, yeah. They got a bunch of athletes.

Kevin Garnett, Greenville, South Carolina. They got a bunch of athletes. Yeah. Yeah, like we play,'s gonna be a rough day It's gonna be very good But Malden before that Malden, South Carolina When he's at the sneak out the crib for everybody seen the kg duck because the mom didn't know he was a good hoop You got D way, you know who got a lot of Hoopers to Toronto

Toronto no no no no no no no's moving. I got a lot of Hooper's right now That's the country and he's not gonna be the the US No for sure. No, it's not never Country days, but although Kings on one team Washington State Texas stop saying Texas like like second Are you saying we but the Google Cali first and then and then go you saw fast niggas KJ from Cali He's soft to the the birthplace We got cage and Bronnie James KJ soft. We got everybody baby birthplace of gangster, huh?

We got everybody right out of Compton Crips blood, you know how hard it is to be raised in LA? Man, you niggas white, you niggas grew up in houses, wanna claim gangs and shit. You niggas got hearts and shit, wanna game. We couldn't even wear a white t-shirt down the street. You niggas grew up, two times grew up with their mama and their dad in the household, wanna be in a gang. You niggas is backwards. We're gonna ask KJ who produces the best. His own son in this house by the Cali. Of course. He's soft. He accounted for it. He got an 818 tattooed on him. He a Cali

kid. He has an 818 tattoo? Yeah. He was fucking born here. Yeah baby! I'm from Valley. Oh no, he Valley. He was born and raised here. He Valley. You know what, look. He got an 818 tattoo. He was born and raised here. Hey, no, no, no, this is real shit though. Ask him. What's my football team is Well guarantee the money don't say the fucking round. You got damn mighty gonna say the cow No, this is a real thing. They charge. He raised that. That's more you spent the motherfucking summers at forget Then hey a young fella forget Cali as a whole. The Valley themselves, the 818, where we are right now, has more hoopers in the last 20-something years than New York.

I agree. The Valley. Not L.A. The Valley. Remember, the Holiday Boys. You got three holidays. Me, Nick. I agree. Who's the best player in the Valley?

You got Dinwiddie. You got Dinwiddie. You got Dinwid holidays. I agree. Um You got in witty you got Dan witty you got Dan witty you got all the Sierra Cayenne kids Right, Anthony. No. Yeah, you you got a nice in the last 20 years. You got probably about 20 So many high cares junior who's the best? Yeah, who's the baby? brother Stop, bro. That is wild. Stop, bro. Don't even do that. I'm just saying. Don't even do that. I'm just asking you. Who's the best hooper from the Valley? Don't even do that. They said Drew Holiday knocked on that door. Get the fuck out of here.

Don't even do that. They said he knocked on that door. Drew, don't even do that. They said he knocked on that door on you. I think I'm... Don't even do that. They said he knocked on that door. He never even got doubled in high school.

I don't even... You ever heard of Triangle and 2? Yeah. All 2 was on me. All right, come on, man. That was on me. All? Yeah. All 2 was on me. All right, come on, man. It was on me, you know what I mean? All right, bro. Both was on me. All right, bro. Man, he played boxing once. Man, there was no boxing. I ate through that.

I already knew what that is. Boxing 1, I just set the screen. I became the screener. Boom, screen and roll. Boom, ba-ba. Triangle 2, you two guard him. They said Drew doing this. Nah. California produced 427 NBA players. They said Drew doing that. New York, 419. They said Drew doing this. Nah. California produced 427 NBA players. New York 419. Texas 200. 419? Oh no. And Texas 200.

Vermont. Zero. The NBA itself started with New York as the mecca. So probably 400 out of the 419 was from 1995 below. He's gone.

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