Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena CELEBRATES The Knicks NBA Championship

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

Gil's Arena CELEBRATES The New York Knicks NBA Championship as the Gil's Arena Crew reacts to the New York Knicks taking down the San Antonio Spurs to win their first championship in over 50 years and proved they were the best team in the NBA this season. They give their biggest takeaways from a thrilling Game 5 where the Spurs tricked off another winable game to lose the championship and break down Jalen Brunson's incredible run as the leader of this championship team, capturing the NBA Finals MVP award and sparking a debate on if he's the greatest Knick of all time. Next, they give a post mortum on the San Antonio Spurs as the young core fell short on the game's biggest stage and discuss what this loss means for Victor Wembanyama as the Alien will look to get back in the lab after failing to win his first NBA title. Finally, they break down what the future holds for key figures like Dylan Harper, De'Aaron Fox and Mitch Johnson and debate if either team should make major moves to get back into the NBA Finals and spark a run at a dynasty. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin, Skip Bayless & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code ARENA and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogsports.com/vgwg/... SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:56 Skip Breaks Out The Alien Remains 0:04:17 Gil's Arena Celebrates The Knicks Championship 0:12:26 Jalen Brunson Wins Finals MVP 0:29:57 Is Jalen Brunson The Greatest Knick Ever 1:04:00 Wemby & The Spurs Go Out Sorry 1:12:03 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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A little tea. Okay. But this is Gills and Reader presented by Underdog Woo-Woo. I'm merely an award-winning host Josiah Johnson. We're joined by NBA Champion of the World Swaggy. World. Swaggy Pete, Nick Young in the building. Honorary New York, Nick. Honorary New York, Nick.

Nick's in five. Tell me about it. See the next to Swaggy and represent tough crowd. Tough crowd golf. Tough crowd university. The car carrying country club member, we got Mr. B. Brandon Jennings. Back.

We'll be looking summer ready. On this side of the couch, we got the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff. Former number one pick, Kenyon Martin. Back here with him. What was that man? Last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry NCAA Champion of the World Dr. Rashop McCants, Ph.D. Yeah!

It's a little light. That was easy. It's a little light in the arena right now. A little light in here. Finish him. A seat missing. Keep talking while I'm doing my shit, man. You just lost respect, huh?

I'm sorry. I didn't know it was a good all three. You got some other shit going on, huh? You like a ghost. Do it again. Do it again. We're on man. Do it again.

All right. I don't know it's gonna be all three, Dr. McKinz. Appreciate that. And a ball? It's a little light here in the arena. Where skip at? Oh. That's a...

That's a... That's a... That's a back. It's kind of heavy. It's kind of heavy. Wee-wee. Don't tell anybody, but I have the remains of an alien in here. I talked to the...

the people at NASA and they said they're going to try to get it back to wherever it came from, but I'm just going to give you a little glimpse of this poor creature right now. Punch him in the face, tell him, welcome to Earth, kid. Uh-uh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Poor creature.

Oh. What a creature. It's a poor thing. Really? I don't know what happened. Maybe Rashad can give it a proper Earth barrier? I don't know. I'm not.

Birth burl. Where are my New York Knicks at. Hey. What up, Skip? What up, baby? Here's a man. Here's a man. Where are my New York Knicks at.

Hey. Jayla Branson coming belted at. Mm. We didn't worry about that. me help a way and worry about that. Good songs, Swaggy. You like that as you, right? That's all right.

Won't you stand up and twerk too, didn't. See the song? Win that shit. When that chip? Win that shit. Win that shit. Win that shit. Win that shit.

A little hurt today. We got a lot to get into. Back from New York, what you're you talking about? You went fast? Yeah, I do. Concrete jungle, where dreams are made. I like the Spurs win. We got a lot to discuss.

Here's what's cracking in Gills Arena today. The Knicks delivered another comeback in game five to get the gentleman's sweep, take home their first chip since 1973. Did we just witness one of the greatest playoff runs in NBA history? New York, now the eighth different team to win the chip in the last eight seasons. But should the Knicks run it back with this squad next year? And the Spurs reached their first final since 2014. What changes the San Antonio need to make if they want to get over the hump next season?

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Spurs blew a 29 point lead in game four as the Knicks outscored them 5830 in the second half with OJ Annanobie's tip-in with 1.2 seconds left, lifting in New York to a 3-1 series lead heading back to San Antonio for game five. It was the biggest comeback in NBA finals history in the next fifth win

when being down 20 plus points in the past two playoffs. San Antonio had their backs against the wall, but Wimby's confidence in his squad was unwavering with the French phenom saying everybody knows we're going to do it. He was just talking about the Spurs. What he was supposed to say? We're about to get smoked.

He was asked that if he thought the St. St. Antonio put up a fight at their crib, even though the arena was overtaken by a sea of orange and blue. But Jalen Brunson delivered another historic performance to prove to the basketball world that a little guard could lead his squad to the chip. Let's take a look at the highlights if we can, please. Extra pass, Wendby running the floor, throws it down. So for the fifth straight game, the Spurs.

dominated the first quarter, becoming the first team in the play-by-play era to lead five finals games by double digits in that first quarter. Wimby and Dylan Harper combined for 13 points in the first frame, with the alien also coming through with three of his five blocks. Jalen Brunson, O.J. Ananobe, scored all 13 of New York's points going to combine four for 11 from the field. The rest of the Knicks were 0.4.11 in the first frame as New York missed 16 of their first 18 shots. Spurs up by as much as 16 in the second quarter before falling victim to yet a day. Another Knicks rally. 22-9 run late in the second quarter got New York within three. But Devin Vassell got a bucket before the half ended to give San Antonio a 42-37 lead at the

break. The 79 combined points in the first half with the lowest in a finals game since game seven of Lakers Celtics back in 2010. And the 31.8 combined shooting percentage was the lowest in the first half of a finals game in the play-by-play era. So, Buckeemes found the first team found the first. offense in the third quarter combining for 58 points with the Spurs going on an 11-2 run early in the third frame to increase their lead to 12.

But like these Knicks have done, they battled back. Spurs won another run to increase their lead to 15 with a little over three minutes remaining in the quarter. But New York ended the third quarter with a 12-4 run to get to within seven heading to that final frame. So Spurs have four players in double figures led by Dylan Harper who came through with 25 points on 10 to 19 shooting off the bench. We put up 19 points, 14 boards and five blocks, but was 7 of 19 from the field, one for six from distance.

And Julian Champany and Devin Vassell combined for 26 points. DeAren Fox and Stefan Castle struggled in this one. Fox had just seven points and five assists on three or 15 shooting. Castle finished with six points on one of ten shooting. You see Josh Hart out here doing it? The Nova Knicks doing their thing. Nix trail by as much as 10 in the fourth quarter until Jay, Brunson proved once again why he's not only the king in New York, but the king of the fourth quarter of the

Nix's captain scored 15 of his 45 points in the final period. Said the Nix finals record, tying Michael Jordan for the most points in a series clinching finals road win. McHale Bridges added 14 on 5 and 10 shooting. Josh Hart had 13 and 11 boards. Nova Nix combined for 72 of the team's 94 points. O.G. Annobe had 11 and 8 boards. And Cat finished with just two points and 10 rebounds before fouling out of the game.

New York went on a 15-2 run to take control of the game, with Brunson scoring 13 straight in that stretch. Then, after Dylan Harper tied the game up, the captain came through with a floater. And then with the Knicks up two, Dylan Harper had a chance to tie the game, smoked the layup like Josh Hart did earlier in the series. Nix was still up, too.

With the 11-6 remaining, almost got the turnover, Mikhail Bridges, got to the line. Made one or two free throws, they got the offensive rebound, and then OG went back to the line to put them up four. Sealing the win for the New York Knickerbockers, Knickerbocker, please. Their first championship since 1973, Knicks improved to a 4-0 and close-out games this postseason, winning them all on the road. So the Knicks captain was overcome with emotion after ending New York's championship. drought while taking home his first finals MVP. You're a champion.

What is this moment feeling like to you? Holy shit. Take your time. Wait a long time for this. I got no words. Everything ever trimmed of. You're obviously feeling a lot of emotions. Can you tell me just what you're feeling?

I don't know what I'm feeling. I'm just like, I'm in awe. I don't know. Whenever someone counters out, we find a way to come back and do something about it. My confidence comes to my work ethic. Every time I got the ball, all I can think about is all the hours in the summer. For every summer I had since I ever could remember making this a reality. So whenever I had the ball, I'm just thinking about just me alone in the gym.

So with their first chip since 1973, the Knicks snapped the longest drought between titles for any team. in in-Baid history. That's why I give you. I'll start with you. I'm talking with me today. I see the Money Crown. I see the Brunson-Annebonyi jersey. Yeah.

You know, see, looking at that, like, this is biblical right here, man. This is going down in the Bible, the next testimony. Next testament. The Book of Brunson. The Book of Brunson. It's like David and Goliath.

This 5'11 beats the 8-footer. With a rock, baby. A little rock. You know? But it's a ball. Bronson is right now the most important player in basketball right now, bringing the championship to New York. Having been done, this is one of the best finals I've seen in a while.

Yeah, you gotta give it up to the whole team. Nobody thought they was gonna win coming into this series. The Vegas had them had the Spurs favorite. But I'm on my McCant's stuff, I picked the Spurs. It was my team. I mean, I picked the New York. It was my team. Only I'd seen it.

The Knicks were your team. Yeah. Knicks and six, but they won and five. The Knicks did something magical. They lost, what, three games the whole playoff? 16 and 3 this post season. Yeah. One of the best performances we've seen,

one of the most exciting games we've seen in the game four. Come back 29. O.G. Tipping. You gotta give it up to the Knicks for what they did. I told you they all deserve that starting five deserve a statue together. They're starting five now. Yeah, Brunton deserves a statue everywhere in New York. All five boroughs, yeah.

But they all deserve like a statue. There's some people who haven't seen in a while. And from New York, you know what that means, the seating got burned down almost. A lot of stabbings. People have been waiting for. So yeah, shout out to New York. All right. Mr. B, let's shift over to you, a former New York Knick.

What are your biggest takeaways from the Knicks, Game 5 win, to take home their first chip since 1973? Shout out Mike Brown for everything that he's done this year for the team. I saw him in Vegas last summer and, you know, was happy for him for getting the job. And I knew he would do big things. But also just the Knicks in general, you know, last year when they lost, they went to the the club, they had a sign that said they would be the champs coming up next year and they manifested and it happened. Shout out Cat, you know, I know it was a tough little stretch during the season after winning

the cup, but they were able to fight, fight through it. And as a championship team, you know, you go through things during the season, but to be able to make the adjustments, to be able to stick with the game plan, Jaylon Brussons has proven that a short guard can win the NBA championship since Isaiah Thomas. OG, he played unbelievable. Josh Hart, you know, he had his guys that he had in college, you know, on the same road with him for NBA finals. So it's a beautiful thing to watch. Yeah, stuff like that don't happen.

No, not at all. So, you know, for the city of New York, you know, I'm happy for them. And I'm just happy for that team. You know, they fought through it all, man. So that's all I can say on that. All right. Let's shift over this side to the couch for another former New York name. the Distinguished General from Oak Cliff, Canyon Martin.

Biggest takeaways from the Knicks getting their first championship in 53 years. No, they wield it. The New York Knicks wield it. Their leader, Jalen Brunson, has been that size for a long time. He's been looked over because of his height and size for a long time. So the team took on that identity, I think, that underdog's mentality. and to only lose three games throughout the playoffs, do it in the fashion that you do,

come back each game double digits, says a lot about you as a team, says a lot about your leader and Jalen Bronson. He's a winner. He's a winner. And the people in New York deserve it. There's been a long time. It was an exciting game, exciting series.

You saw a team that, and the spurs that, that youth showed itself, he reared his ugly head in this series, right? But that's a testament to the way the Knicks didn't stop, didn't quit, didn't waver in their approach. No matter the score, no matter what the situation was, they didn't waver. That's how you were able to come back from double digits in each game. But like I said, it was a bad trend, but hey, they overcame it. Right?

But yeah, no, it's a good thing, man. The first one since 73, I think it's awesome for the Knicks, awesome for the city. And once again, to reiterate with Brandon. He said, shout out to Mike Brown, man, for being the one to get it done.

You know, for being the one to come into that situation of all the turmoil that's happened. over the years, the carousel of coaches that's being in and out of there. Mike Brown to be the one to write that chip speaks volume to him, his basketball, savvy his basketball IQ. And yeah, and for them guys to buy in to what he was preaching, speaks volume to him as a coach. So shout out to him and his whole coaching staff.

It was a great win and looking forward to what's next. Mike Brown got swept by the Spurs with the Cavs, 2007, comes back 2026. Yeah, redemption. Here's the Spurge, the gentleman sweep with the Knicks. Yeah. Yeah. Let's shift over to you, Dr. McCants. You were rolling with the Knicks, predicted the Nick Spurs final.

Please don't see that. Excuse me? No, no, no. Dot, dot, dot. Until an unfortunate incident at the NBA Cup, an alleged thumb in the booty shifted you went all in a little

maybe I'm with your biggest takeaway from this game five went over the Spurs gentleman sweep to get their first chip since 1973 nothing but praise you know you can't do nothing but give the Knicks the credit that is due to them for all the years that they've been

mercilessly ridiculed for not being able to get back to where the city wants them to be and The delusional fans that was out there praising Knicks and trying to get the Nix to get back to where they are. They're now not delusional anymore. Stephen N. Smith now has a reason to cheer. And Josh Smith has a reason to cheer. And all the New York fans over the years from Cam, Mace, to Fat Joe, to all of the NICs celebrities and all of that.

Everything is beautiful for New York right now. And you got to give credit what credit is due. Jalen Brunson, like I've been saying for the last two years. a champion. You know what to do, how to do it, get it done. And I think the biggest credit to me is William Wesley, Leon Rose, going in and making the decision to get a new coach that actually transitioned the team who was a championship caliber team the year they lost. Unfortunately, you know, guys went down and they didn't, they weren't able to beat the Pacers. And seeing that they changed coaches and got back to the same position to take it over

the top is amazing. So credit the executives to making that hard decision and even going and get rid of Julius Randall and get Kat. That was a big move. So much praise to all of the New York Knicks from Mitchell Robinson to Landry Shammit to what's the European kid, Colick, that played good during the season. When guys were down, Shamet was down. There's so many different moving parts to that championship team and you got to give credit what credit is due and got to do that.

Even though they were down and seemed to be in trouble most of the series but they was always ready to rally back and that's what the experience team does. So congratulations to the New York Knicks. Congratulations. I'm not going to take no credit

for being right again. I don't think you can. I think you're that bad. I don't know. I don't think you're going to be. You can take credit for this. Wee, we. Yeah, you can't take credit for this one.

Yeah, I'm pretty pretty good. Yeah, I'm pretty good. Nah, you did. Ain't no haters gonna allow me to take credit for it. They teams lost early. All their teams lost early. They had to watch. You're dead.

You're all still gonna watch. You don't matter what you say. You did. It don't matter what you do. Seven months ago, I got the video, I need to bring the dirt. So it don't matter. The holy dirt.

Don't matter. Go ahead. the embryo of the alien that you brought in here. Yeah, we're in the brain. Because we beat your team. That's the only reason I bought it. Just because your team is no longer

part of the equation. That's it. Yeah. Let's shift over to you, Skip, what biggest takeaways from the next? Winning this championship, five games in San Antonio. So, I've been covering the league

that you all played in at such a high level for a minute. For a long minute, I've been covering the NBA and the finals, going back to the late 1970s, how far back I go. And I have never, ever seen anything like this Knicks team. I have never seen anything like the leader of this team.

And I do like your David Goliath metaphor. That's what happened. With a slingshot and a basketball. Right. felled this poor creature that's in this bag. And he was by far the shortest man on the floor. And you said 5-11. I'm not sure he's more than 5-11.

I'm not. But boy, he plays big when it's time. And he kept down the stretch of all five games out playing by far the tallest man on the floor, every single way possible. and I do want to congratulate publicly my brother Stephen A and our producer Rob, who's lifelong diehard Nicks, and my wife Ernestine, who grew up in New York City and she's lifelong diehard Nicks. On New York City, God, and I've never seen any of those folks any happier than they were

on Saturday night because they just couldn't believe it happened, and I get it because even as I speak right now, it's still hard to believe how it happened the way it happened. The Knicks were down two games to one to the Atlanta Hawks. And some deep

switch got flipped and the script got flipped on its head and they took off through the East and I know it was just the East and we can all be skeptical of the competition in the East, but they rampaged over that competition. They won

three straight playoff series in the East with a road closeout game in which they average winning by 39 points in those three closeouts on the road. And then they set for the whole playoffs that they didn't just set it. They obliterated the point differential record

for the history of the NBA playoff runs. They went by 53 points. They were plus 283 over the their whole playoff run and Golden State in 2017 was plus 250. So they shattered that record by 53 points. But then we get to the finals. And as you guys well know, I love what Jalen Brunson said after the game.

It's like every game started at 8.30 and we didn't show up until 9 o'clock. And that's exactly what. And it almost started to feel like they were just toying with them. Like, let's just, they can do the spurs at the all-time, finals and playoff record for first quarter point differential. So they were the, I kept saying, they're the fastest starting team I've ever seen in all my years covering playoffs. And the Knicks are like, and watch, watch this. And the Knicks outscored them by 26 points in the five fourth quarters.

And then just a quick look at the closeout game five. this is in San Antonio where there's no way that the Spurs are going to lose three finals games at home. There's no way. And they're favored by five and a half as they should have been.

And somehow the Knicks win their ninth straight road playoff game to eclipse the record of the 01, Los Angeles Lakers of Shaq and Kobe, of course, of eight straight road

playoff wins. They win their nine. But here's how they do it. What if I told you going into the game that in a potential close-out game that the New York Knicks were going to score their season low, 37 points in the first half? They scored 37 in the first half. It's impossibly wrong and bad. You can't do that.

And they shrug, and here they come. And what if I told you that Carl Anthony Towns, and I'm sure we're going to have a lot of discussion about him and whether he should be a nick going forward, he scores two points in game five, shoots one of seven from the floor, misses both his three-point shots. That's all you get. What if I told you going in, that's all you're going to get from Kat, you'd say, oh, they're cooked, right? They're going to get blown out. What if I told you that the all-time, all-time hero of game four, O'GN and Obie, what if I told you that he could muster up only 11 points in game five, on three of 11 shooting and one of five from three.

What if I told you that the second and third best New York Nick didn't show up for game five? You'd say, good night and good luck going forward because you're going to have to go home and try to figure these guys out at Madison Square Garden to avoid having to come back for a game seven. And the littlest guy on the floor said, no, I got you. And after all this narrative about how,

Oh, they flip the script. And now Kat's distributing, remember after they fell behind two games to one against Atlanta. And Jalen's going to pass the ball more and he's not going to have some high usage rate. In the finals, it just degenerated into, you do it. You do it. And he scores 45 points, which is Jordanesque. And I was there that night in Utah in a closeout game six when Jordan scored 45 and nobody else scored. He scored more than half their points for the Bulls that night.

at Utah. This is the same thing. The little man scores 45 and he scores 15 in the fourth. That's impossible against Stefan Castle and Dylan Harper and all their defenders that they're throwing at him, right and left, playing football with him. And he said, no, I got you. He scores 15. And then finally, this is just so vintage Knicks to me. What if I told you going in, it's going to be a close game down the stretch? And the Knicks are going to miss four free throws in the last 26. seconds. What would you tell me? You'd say, good luck. Good night, right? And they just kept saying, no, we're okay. We're okay. We got this. We'll just make all the other plays that we have to make to close this deal. And when it ended, after it drove me out of my mind that they're missing

free throws, I just, I just hate to see late miss free throw. And this poor creature missed his share, didn't he? Man. Missed a lot. But the point is, the Knicks missed four in the last 20s. six seconds and you think, oh, good luck, man. Right? No. They're the champions. They're the champs. And then fittingly, it all concluded with Victor Wimb and Yama just walking right off the floor,

no handshake. Okay. And that summed it up for me. Big baby. Thank you very much. That's why he's in a bag. He's French. Cry baby.

Steve foot crybaby. Yeah. So we're going to talk about tons of Spurs. We're going to talk about the biggest crybaby. But let's salute the champions. First, let's uplift the next. Let's be uplifting and positive here on this glorious Monday. Brunson Monday here in the arena.

So Jalen Brunson became the first guard, six foot, two or shorter to take home finals MVP since Steph Curry. Just the fourth all-time. Average 33 points, five assists, four rebounds in the finals, putting up 30 or more in four of the five games. Skip, like you mentioned, franchise record 45 piece in the series, clinching game five road win. So Mr. B, we'll start with you.

What statement did Jailen Brunson? make this postseason? That you can win with a small guard. And Becky Hammond's statement wasn't true at all. And it's good for the game. I mean, you know. By the way, how tall are you? 6.1-ish?

6-1, 6-1, 6-foot, yeah. So you can appreciate this. Yes, yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this is, you know, this is what we thought AI was going to do. You know, when AI went up against the Lakers. You know, he had his chance to do it. Well, he did it once.

Yeah. Did one game, right? Yeah, came up short. But, but yeah, no, this is big. This is huge. I mean, to Kenyon's point, he's been the underdog. You know, nobody really respected. He took a pay cut for his team so they can go get better players and look how it all came back to repay him.

So salute to him, and this is a great moment for small guards. So it took $113 million less than he could have when he signed that extension. Like he will get that back in the next. couple years. I think that was the game plan to do it. But like you mentioned, to be able to get that roster, to be able to allow OG Kat, Mikhail Bridges, everybody else to join the squad. But Kenyon, let's shift over to you. When you look at Jaylen Brunson and what he was able to do, said he ignored the noise from the critics, never listened to it. Obviously, Becky Hammond amongst others, saying that a small guard couldn't be the man to get a chip.

First and foremost, why would he pay attention to anything Becky Hammond has to say to start there, right? That her stick on that side of basketball. I'm dead ass. Like, why would he pay attention anything she has to say? Like, who cares what Beck and him? I said by Jeff. She was Pop's first assistant for Goodwell.

I don't care. Don't get me started on that skill. Is Greg going to have to pop of it? Listen, don't, don't get me started. They can't what nice? Yeah, but... Yeah, don't... No, no, don't, no.

It's Monday. We kind of want to get your started? No, no, trust me. There are plenty of other people that could have been sitting in that seat. Let's start there. But to Jalen Brunson, credit,

um, kept his eye on the prize, right? Didn't waver. Second round pick was overlooked. Yeah, he's the heart of a champion, man. He's won at every level. You don't learn how to win

high school and college and not carry that over to the National Basketball Association. He just needed the right situation, need the right people to believe in him, needed the right makeup of guys around him. They went and did that. and adding two of his college teammates that they won together,

that goes a long way and buying into what we need to do. And I think he's the head of that. He's the driving factor, like I said before. I mean, it was good to see as a basketball fan, right? Not for someone who played an NBA, but as a basketball fan, the way that Jalen Brunson went about that, right? Every fourth quarter put the team on his back and was like, I refuse to let us lose.

And we've seen some of the greats in this game do that before. And this performance, this playoffs was that. This finals was that. Yeah, from the first game, looking like he got injured early in game one to this type of performance, man. It was historic, right? Close out of game, 45 points.

The rest of the team has 49. So that's huge, man. To show up in those moments and to wheel your team, that's what special sports moments are made of. And this was that. Swaguel, shift over to you, former NBA champion. NBA champion, just like Jaylon Bresden, championship experience.

Shout out to JC to Jordan Clarkson, good friend, winning the championship. But Bronson did something kids dream of, like the winning in college, the winning the NBA with your homies and your dad on the coaching staff, like this type of stuff you can't make up. And for him, he has his own city now. Like it's only a couple people that could say they own the whole state or city or something. Jordan, Kobe, Steph, Brunson, you know, of LeBron and Cleveland, but yeah, in New York right now,

you can't tell nobody. Bronson is bigger than Jordan and some people in New York for what he's dead. And that's all you could ask for. That's a kid growing up, shit, man. This is a dream come true to be five, to be relatable to people that's, you know, everybody not six foot somethings,

everybody not seven foot. And a guy that's five, 11, six feet coming through, destroying the NBA like he did and putting, going up against somebody that's 7.5, that people makes the face of the lead. You get it done. So right now, Bronson is the king right now. Nick, you played with Steph. Is he a full 6-3? He's listed at 6-3. Does he play that big? Does he stand that big next to you? Steph is actually, yeah. He's a, I feel like he's a legit 6-3. Yeah, he is.

Yeah, for sure. He's taller than what people think. Okay. Yeah, at 6-2, those good ones. 6-2? Yeah, but it looks... You saw him in person, remember? He's taller than...

He ain't going on. He's 6-3. Light-skinned excellence. Yeah. But he did it in fashion where it wasn't all threes. He wasn't out there on a three-point line. He's taking guys to the whole floaters, mid-range. Look, very old-school like there.

You know, it wasn't your typical shooting all-threes and half-quited. and half-court shots. He got it done with the way he got it done. That's what kids could relate to, too. So shout out to Bronson, for real. Doing it with your pops, that's like a dream come true. Looked just like his daddy. Let's shift over to Evershot,

looking at what Jalen Brunth was able to do, dispelled the narrative that a small guard couldn't lead his team to a championship. A lot of pundits out there felt the same way. Obviously, at that point, the Knicks were a different team. They bolstered, they strengthened, but Brunth is still won A, the heart of this squad. What statement did he make in this playoffs? That even guys who play the game, get it wrong.

You know, a lot of people got it wrong, especially when it come to him. And I think the storyline I want to really push is him and his dad. Rick Brunson, Jalen Brunson, storyline of kind of how the movie he got game, how the dad was pushing the son and be great, but this is a storyline where the dad is actually on the bench keeping him and his head intact into the game. And what I think about between the two of them is the film sessions after the game, the film sessions before the game, the call of let's go get some shots up, let's go talk about these scenarios. Where's your mind at? When they run this scheme against you, what are you looking at when, you know, they're double teaming you

in this position, Rick Brunson has been there. He has really molded Jalen into a professional athlete. And when you have a father figure like that, that can actually go out of his way to make sure that he stays in your life during the best moments of your life and then take you all the way to the promised land and make sure that staying on the coaching staff was priority one and making sure that his son understands that he's not going to be in his way. But we're going to work and we're going to get it done and we're going to make sure that we rewrite this ship as a point guard, as a traditional point guard. And when I say that in regards to how he plays the game, he takes advantages of situations.

And you can't ask for a point guard to do much more than that, especially when you can score and you can score when you want to. But you can also in one series take time off to get your teammates involved and get them and they're lathered going and then dominate in the fourth quarter when you need to. I think that's what traditional point guards have always done when they need to do it. And he's always done it. Average in 32 in the finals, it's unheard of for a point guard. So him and his dad definitely have to get credit for crafting the mastermind of knowing what to do,

where to do it, how to do it, the timing of it all, and keeping the guys together. I think the noise, when people talk about noise, did you hear this? Did you hear that? It's like, man, get the noise out of there. Regardless of what's being said, we have to do what we have to do. We have to get it done. And I think the tears at the end for him is just getting it done. It's not thinking that people would believe he could get it done as the leader.

Being able to take it over the top like that is just, it's real nostalgia for New York fans. They're going to remember this forever. and revenge is bittersweet for sure. So again, congratulations to the Knicks, but for sure, congratulations to Rick and Jalen Brunson for sure. Skip, covered a lot of basketball in your time. When you look at what Jalen Brunson was able to do this postseason, what's your reaction to it?

You know, when this little man completely won me over, mid-fourth quarter of the other night, game five, he attacks the alien in the lane and takes him all the way to the bucket and shields him and he's left-handed and he shoots it right-handed up off the glass and makes it and I'm like, what?

You did that to that? It's impossible. What's that? He almost made him fall. He did. So, look, I am a fan of this Thunder team. I was born and raised in Oklahoma City,

but I'm going to go this far right here right now. As much as I like Shea Gilges Alexander, and as much as I believe that he deserved a second straight MVP, Jalen Brunson completely outplayed SGA against the Spurs. If you look at the numbers, completely and utterly made him look silly is what he made him look like. Because I'm just looking at the fourth quarter numbers, Jalen Brunson against the Spurs in five games.

made 19 of 37 shots. That's 51%. And they're hounding him and dogging him and footballing him just like they did SGA. SGA in the seven games in the fourth quarters against the Spurs, made only eight of 29 shots. That's 28%.

He was 0 of 8 from 3. Jalen doesn't shoot a lot of 3s to your point, but he made 3 of 7 in the 5 4th quarters, which was, they seemed timely to me. They seem big. Like the three that he made were just psychological crushers for the spurs. And look, I don't think SDA is a flopper. He will exaggerate fouls that should be called,

but he will exaggerate them by going down. We can argue this all day and all night. That's called flopping. Okay, no. You can word it differently. It's called flopping. It's genius. It's genius.

We call it flopping. But little Jalen does not flop. Little Jalen does not complain. Little Jalen was getting no calls to this whole series because this creature is the most overprotected player in the NBA. And it went all the way to the flagrant that should have been called on the three-point shot where he slides his giant foot underneath.

It's Zaja Pachip-Shot play on the White Ler. And he didn't even get that call because that would have disqualified Wimby for potential game six back at the guard. And because Jalen Brunson doesn't have a lot to say off the court, he's not entertaining in his media sessions. There's no narrative to it. There's no edge to it. There's nothing we can grab hold of and say, oh, he does that.

He's fun to, I can't wait for his postgame. Yeah, you can wait because he's just not going to say anything. Solid podcast, though, Skip. I'll a podcaster. Okay. You know what? I haven't checked it out. So that's a fair...

Roommates. That's a fair point. Yeah, good point. Tusha. But the package of it is not wildly entertaining. It just works. And what he proved to me in this series is he is the best player in the National Basketball Association right here, right now. I mean, he just showed you.

He did it. He did that against that team and that guy. That's, I give it up, man. You got to say, here, you showed you earned best player in the league status, and you earned better than SGA status with those five fourth quarters that you played against seven foot six. That's

what happened. So congratulations to him. I'm with that. I'm with that. I say the most important person in basketball right now. Yeah. Face of the league. Important is a good word. He is. He's the best. Face of the league, he took it. He's the face of the league.

He should be the face of the league. He got in New York behind him too. Biggest market. One of them. Did have grown men in New York saying some of the outlandish things for those other teams. He was like 6-5, 6-8. He did be saying he's just say shit. If he's 6-5-6-8, they would be saying he's next Michael Jordan right now.

I mean, he did. I mean, he did the youngest team never to get to the finals. But everybody else didn't. She didn't. Get ready. He didn't. He didn't. And Ed Market.

Who else? He didn't. What, didn't do what? Boston didn't win? Was it the case of the league going to change every year? You say he beat the youngest people. I don't think it's one guy. I don't think it's one guy.

I don't think the face of NBA is one guy now. No. I think it's multiple guys. I think it's a lot of young, really good basketball players that's pushing the narrative. I don't know my bad. Are you good? You think Brunson can't get a signature shoe? No, I didn't say he couldn't.

He didn't. I just, I mean. Turned it down. A signature 10. Allegedly he turned it down so he can, I'm working on World Kobe still. So allegedly he turned it down. So, like, I think, yeah, he could have been having. Yeah, but I say in New York?

I mean, what he's doing what he's doing? But the face of the league, everybody in New York would have had that shoe right now. He could have been that one. He don't need. Anybody.

The face of the league, you knew need a signature. No, you don't. Not if you weren't those shoes. Because nobody, I wasn't wearing stuff. I'm saying, not if he getting his P.

You wasn't wearing stuff. You wasn't wearing stuff. You wasn't wearing stuff. Kobe's sell out. Kobe's made and all that. I don't think it's the same. I don't think he need his signature shoe. If he's on,

so just said, if Nike put him on Kobe commercials with them shoes on this, that and the third, you think that ain't good enough? I don't think he need the signature. Because you're playing that city. The rest of them dudes do. He's playing that city.

That's what I'm saying. Like them smaller, Janis, Milwaukee, Shay, OKC, Steph. Now, what I'm saying? That's New York City. So he doesn't need him. At Minnesota. He got his shoe, though. What does it mean to be the face of the league?

There's multiple guys, man. What does it mean? I'm glad he... You're the best player in the league? No, the face of the league. It's who they market globally. Like, those are faces of the league. Who they choose the market globally.

So what does it mean? It means endorsements globally. It means a worldwide way of that it's seen how many people watch this finals. So is it money? Is it influence? Everything. Okay, so it's not important to the actual basketball aspect. Well, I mean, you got to deliver on the court.

In your brain, no, but everybody else, yeah. So in my brain, Okay, we're going to cheap shots. No, I'm just saying, yo, it is. I'm asking a question. For everybody else, basketball is included in it. It got to be. Basketball is not excluded.

You got to be really good at basketball. But everybody else is not in here. How can we say everybody else? And I'm asking a question of five people here. You got to be good at basketball, because we're having a basketball conversation. It starts as a basketball conversation. But you just said marketing.

You just said it's a part of it. All of it starts with being really good. at the game of basketball. Jason Tatum don't get hurt. He's probably... He is still in it. He's still in it. He is still in it.

Because he... He's still in it. Because he got hurt. Face of the league by committee. Kevin Garrette got hurt. Didn't stop them from still putting him in the... Guys get hurt. That's just what it is.

Because he got hurt. He's still... He's still... No, no. He's still that. But he's not the face of the league, though. I never thought he was just the face. This is Brunton.

They were pushing him in it. Yes. And they won it helped him. Absolutely. Clean cut, look good, all that. They got people to advertise, yes. But I don't think it's one particular guy. Like I said, you got to be really good at basketball.

You got to be marketable. You got to be a lot of things. I mean, yeah. There's no more, we don't have a Steph or a LeBron anymore. Brunson in the largest media market, relatable. We don't have a Steph or LeBron. Undersized Hooper, relatable to the common man. Bronson.

I could be like Jalen, too. Yeah, Brunson. I'm going to Kenyon's part. It's going to be a group of them. Like, I think it's a... It's always been a group of them, you don't think? No. No.

When Brown was going to the finals... When Brown was going to the finals, when Brown was going to the finals, every year, that eight straight year, it was him. When Steph was going, it was him. It was back and forth. So, Rashide. Because these corporations, these major billion-dollar fortune 500 companies, they pick and choose who they want to deal, who they willing to deal with and work with. Who will sell the best? Who's going to sell the best product for that company?

company, you can give the league, the league can give them a list of guys of 100. It's only going to be a certain amount of guys that they're willing to work with that they're going to pick from. That's just what it is. I guess a lot of guys that's clean cut, it's marketable, but you know your stats, you ain't won nothing. You ain't just, it don't add up to what they're trying to do for their brand. Some other, nowadays it's more because of this whole social media thing, the marketing thing is out of control now. There's more companies that's involved with the league now. that reaches further

to other guys that's not in that top whatever, but the major companies and the major sponsors globally they only, there's only certain guys that will be in these things like, it's just what it is. So Rashad, when you flash on the NBA, which player, which face do you think of first

right now? Victor. Okay, because globally that's what more people would think of. I mean, because I remember, remember, I'm the dumb one. So I'm thinking to myself, who is the NBA pushing? Victor.

Who is the NBA? I think they're pushing. So the face of the NBA can only be pushed by the NBA. This is who we want representing our brand. Our brand is important to us. We want to put, whether it's these guys or this guy, this is who we're pushing. So that's how I've always seen it and always looked at it. is the NBA going to put in front? I thought they put Steph in front of LeBron during those years

because he was cleaner. He had more excitement and entertaining behind it. And it wasn't no slight to LeBron. It was just the momentum that Steph Curry brought with it. And then he had his shoe and he had the kids and all that, his daughter and all of those things. So it's just, that's how I was looked at it. Like the who's the NBA pushing? And I think they've been pushing Wemby for the last 10 months, 12 months. When you talk about it, it's just like, that's just what it was.

And they tried to push SGA into that segment after the MVP last year. But, you know, Wimby's emergence was clashing with that. So it was kind of both of them. But when you got two European, we're not European, international players

in the front of the NBA, it's not going to look as appealing as it should with a Jason Tatum or Anthony Edwards in the front. So we'll see after this year pans out if Jalen Brunson can't fit in that mold. But right now, I mean, I just always looked at it like whoever the NBA is pushing forward. Okay, just me, when I flashed on the NBA, I still think of LeBron because he's still going, man. I mean, he's still going to play a couple more years and he's in just presence alone, he's up there.

And I do think Steph is still the most popular among kids. It just feels like to me, but I could be wrong. I don't have kids, so I don't know. But it needs still like that, the baby face and all. They both are. Yeah. I'm sorry, I got an eight-year-old. He asks for both jerseys.

Steph's the top. So the jerseys that, listen, the kids, you got a wimby jersey. Really? Okay. Steph, Yokic, Anthony Edwards. Okay. Right?

Yeah. Those are the jerseys. that my like his personally asked and just because he watching a cola he asks for Jamal Murray Jersey so but those four guys LeBron, Steph

Wemby and Anthony Edwards No Jalen Brunson. Not yet Brunson, third highest selling Jersey though. I'm about saying the season the kid early. No you hear that season I'll read the list of you Oh. So Steph Luca, Brunson, Wimby, LeBronham

Ron are top five, Ant Man six, Tatum seven, SGA, eight. Ascent. Cooper flag, nine, Yolkes, too. Oh, SGA would be higher. NICs have the highest selling merchandise, too. No. As a win. It's April 2026.

The NBA turned their back on Shay, I feel like. Wow. Because all my... As you talk about... That market can't do nothing, for you. But you talk about kids, they say, Shay got his own room, but he flopped. That's the main thing I hear about Shay.

That's the name of a year old, be like, she got his own room. Because they're what they go to school and talk about. That's what I'm saying. see, but the fact that it gets to them. Yeah. Yeah, because they parents see the thing. They're around their dads and uncles

and other people watching the game. It's not even that. They're around their uncles and their dads watching the game and this is the things that they're hearing and they're in the car. They're having conversations. And it's the barbershop talk.

They're taking the son to the barbershop Saturday morning after school. They're talking about the game. All they hear is flop, flop, flop, flop, flop, shape, flop, flop, shay, flop, flop, and... Phil Flarn, Lerne, Farn. And then, so now they...

So that's all they hear, right? So my son... Of course, he ate. You got kids. I'm like, how can you hear that? Yeah, yeah. Because that's the narrowing discourse that's being pushed. Oh, it's crazy.

But you got NBA, first year of this new TV deal. Obviously, this finals, I believe, did the highest number since 1998, if I'm not mistaken. I wonder why. You got Brunson. But this... I wonder why. So if I'm the NBA, though... I wonder why.

I love Wimby, and I'm going to keep pushing Wimby. I'm gonna push this rivalry, but I've got the largest media market. I've got the finals MVP coming from that market. Moving forward, you already know, Knicks are going to have the most national TV games if I had to guess. Shit, it was already up there. Should, they're up there every year. I'll go, brought them and the Lakers. So, San Antonio's small market?

San Antonio. Yes. It's a very small market. It's a very small market. So is Oklahoma City. And just so happened to make history. 24th, 24th. They benefited from that history.

history, Rashad. They benefited for being in the finals. No, no, it's not my opinion. The New York is the largest media market there. So they've been, the Spurs benefited from being a, the Knicks being a part of that series. So it ain't, they ain't my opinion. It ain't that, no, this is obviously your opinion. No, it's not. So you don't think. It's obviously your opinion. So have the Knicks been in the last, how many of you since it's win? Two teams played. What? What, what, you say the, um, the, they've been in the final? 99 was the last final, 73 last championship. No, no, but for the ratings. What did you say this is the... Oh, in terms of the high sale of merchandise

is next season. The TV rating. Oh, 1998 finals, I believe. Right. This is the largest since 98, right? Game four, I believe, was the most viewed social media. Yeah. I believe that. There's been...

There's been... Because of the teams since 1998 has been playing in the championship. They have, but they haven't reached these ratings is what the point is being made. Right. So the ratings have... to do with two different teams that played in the finals. One team is the Spurs who has a French alien

that everybody wants to see takeover New York. That is true. I'm going to show up to watch the alien invasion. And then you have New York. We haven't been here. They got their own fan base. They got their own market. But we do too.

They got one of the biggest. That's like saying Yao doesn't bring any kind of value to Houston. I think China is just a tad bit bigger than Europe? Then Europe? Then France. You mean Asia is a part of it on? You mean Asia is a part of it on.

No, it's France and then you got Asia. It's two different places. Are you sure? Yes, I'm pretty positive. Are you sure? How many? 69 million people. And where?

France. A billion. 1.4.1 billion. Okay. I think that's a small, a tad bit larger. I'm about to say. When I in China, I played in front of five, man, a million.

Tadbit larger. So, nobody from China played. Nobody from China played. though, right? The Knicks, like I said, nobody in China played. The Spurs benefited from those ratings. This was a French guy. Yeah.

Right. I think Wemby helped those, I mean, maybe. He helped, absolutely. No, he helped but the Knicks, though. But the Knicks, come on. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We have a Spurs, we have a five of it, yeah. Duh.

Two teams played. If you have a Spurs' Cavs finals, I guarantee they wouldn't be breaking no media, no viewing records. No, no. Why not? Donald Trump? Because they haven't. Because it didn't happen. Because it didn't happen.

What do you mean? You can't say it wouldn't happen or not. It didn't happen. You can't say that calves wouldn't have played that this wouldn't have happened. It didn't happen. Taylor Swift, not pulling up. Since 19, no, no, no, since 1998 has there been two NBA teams to play in the finals since 98. There has to be two teams to play that have a competition. Lakers Celtics would come in mind a minute.

In order for them to have a game, it has to be two teams. Yes and no. Yes. So since 89. That's 98, my bad. Since 98, my bad, since 98, it hasn't been those ratings. Yes and no? Highest for your final since 1998.

And who was in 98? That guy. Michael Jordan. Thank you. And that's not New York. And that was what? Utah. It was that Utah.

Utah and Chicago. This is Michael Jordan. Cornersack. What are we talking about? And the Utah Jazz. It's been a higher. Because the Utah Jazz benefited from playing against Michael Jordan and final. I was the second time too.

Like, duh, it was the same thing. It was a back-to-back. It was a three-peed. You got a small market and a big market. Three-peed. You got a small market and a big market. It was momentum from a three-peed. They already had everything lined up for them.

So it's not the first time they got there since 1973. Like I said, the Spurs has been. What are we talking about? It's the last game. What are we talking about? Skips is the last game. I don't want to sound like I'm saying. I'm crazy, but I'm crazy.

Spirre than I'm fitted from playing against the Knicks in the finals. For sure. Wembe brought some of it. Viewership. He helped. Stop doing it. It's not going to help you. He helped, Joe.

This is the matchup you want, though, if you're in the NBA. It's a basketball game. It has to be two teams in play. Absolutely. There's one that's in a small market, a very small market, and there's one that's in the biggest media market. It ain't. That's kind of crazy.

What team played in 1999, Skip? What team played in 1999? In the final. You're going to get in New York? Wait, hold on, Nick. Hold on, let me get my brain. Where does it come go? To San Antonio or New York?

It's Taylor Swift as well. 1998 was the record. 1998 was the record. Mariska Archibald and Utah. And then 1999, New York was in the finals and didn't break that record. So what are you trying to say? What's your point? You said it's New York.

What's your point? It is New York now. So why didn't New York break the record? In 1990, no, he didn't play. He played against the Senate. He played against the United States. So why didn't the record break the next year? It was a big strike year.

Because Michael George was, and people were down on the NBA. It's New York City. Can you give them the facts, please? Well, and the NICs weren't very good that year. I think they were barely above 500 in the regular season, and then they got hot. Was there a work stoppage? Yes. And that would that probably would affect viewership because of the war.

Or probably not. Or probably not. Or probably not. Or probably not. It's New York. It's not. The fans of New York didn't stop working. It did.

It did or it probably did? It did. So it did. Game 7 and. Michael Jordan was more popular than the New York Knicks at the time. That's why the viewership was higher. Who's more popular now?

Nobody on the Knicks is more popular than Wembe right now. So what are we talking about? He just lost. So I think Jalen Brunton is more popular. Yeah. Yeah. He just beat it. We're talking about the views.

Not if he won or not. The viewership. The viewership is because the New York Knicks was... Before it started or you're saying right now? Before it started or right now? I guarantee there's more New York Knicks fans in the United States and around the world than the whole women.

Hell yeah, it is. True. I agree. I would guarantee. What about San Antonio Spurs fans? What about them? Is there more than who? What you just said?

Around the world? Yes. Then who? Knicks fans? Yes. No. I'm not going to have that done. God, man.

There are more fans in New York that are New York fans. They're the bunch of motherfuckers that just like the New York Knicks. They're a lot of the 1873. There's no reason to fucking like the Knicks. He's not the fucking reason to be a Nick fan for the last 30-some years because they haven't won. All the Nick's fans that are next fans have been waiting for this. So to get to the finals and to give the energy that we can do it brought all the fans back. Wasn't there a dynasty in San Antonio?

When you open it up, like, shut on. Come out in there as San Antonio's first dynasty. Didn't they win in the last 50? Then they win five championships. They did, should have to do it. But they got to do with anything. What does that have to do? It have not.

It don't. No, it don't. It does not. Win the championships don't bring, increase your fan base. It does not because the Cowboys ain't won their motherfucker 30 years. And they lost, and they're not one fan.

They're the most expensive franchise there is. And they're the one. The expensive franchise have to do it anything. Because they still got viewership fans and all that. They got a rich owner. No, they got fans around the world. Oh, my God. You got fans around the world.

All the fans are rich. All the fans are rich. All the owners are wealthy. The Raiders. They're Dallas. They got a rich owner. No. All the owners are wealthy, actually.

All the, that's nothing to do it. Nothing to have to do. Nothing to do. Rashad. The top five NFL games every year feature the Dallas Cowboys in Raiders in a future. America's team. They are. America's team.

They just draw. And they ain't won the championship since wins, sir. 30 years. Is New York, America's team? Hey, man, America's back on top. I'm just going to say apparently it is, because I'm seeing Knicks fans come out of nowhere. Back on top, look.

Bandwagons. I'm seeing Knicks fans come out of nowhere. It's the Mexico. Nowhere, right? You have a custom jersey, look, Swagg. Being a Nick fan is just die-heart, man. The T.L. has been filled with a lot of, I was like, damn, you're a Knicks on.

I never. Remember Kirkland? The movie. The boy came and said, man, the Knicks just wanted to, like, come on that. Yeah. We're not going to have that. Yeah, man.

There are more Nick fans, Lakers fans, Cowboys fans, Yankee fans around the world than it is any other sports franchise. And the soccer teams from over there as well. So, I mean, we did fit that as well. We did win this down in this finals. That's a good one.

Nick's fans coming to San Antonio taking over the arena. Then Brunson just topped like every Yankee in New York. Is he the biggest New York? Is he the king of New York? Went right now? Yeah. He cannot take Derek Jeter's work. Right, like, right, they just won it, so he's the freshest, but not of all, no, he ain't.

No, I'm talking about like, all sports. He got a long way to go. Right now, because New York sports is down right now. The Knicks are up. Everybody else is they, yeah. You got Yankees, the Giants. I'm saying, the Yankees, you know, the giant football is seen in New York is in New York. But L.T. is good out there.

But that boy got a long way to go. Oh, that's tough. I'm saying, King of New York, all them Yankees? No, he ain't doing that. Derek Gita is him out there. You being the Knicks the championship, that's like winning as a clipper's shit. So Brunson, the King of New York. Think about the Clippers winning championship.

There's been a lot of discourse about where Jalen Brunson ranks amongst the Knicks elite. So even after winning the Knicks' first chip in 53 years, his father Rick wasn't ready to give him the crown just yet as the Nick's goat. And I'm gonna stop the argument too. Yeah. I love my son. Patrick Gunger, the best Nick that I've ever witnessed. Oh, I didn't say that. No, I just want people were like, you know, it was, I just want to, yeah.

Well, I'm going to say it's going to be debatable. Can be debatable. No, no, no, it's going to be debatable now because- Because- Damn, Daddy. All right. Fuck you too, that. Fuck you, dad.

I'm going to say it back about Rick. Not for never. It's going to be Jaylen Brunson, the greatest nick of all time. Covered a lot of basketball on your time. Obviously, Willis Reed, Clyde Frazier. Patrick Ewing, like he just said, been a lot of tremendous Knicks, but... Kenyon asked me this the other day before the show started, because you got asked, didn't you do a video about it, ranked the all-time Knicks? And Jalen Brunson hadn't happened yet, right?

And he asked me, and just off the top of my head, I said, Willis Reed, just because he did win two finals MVP's and two championship runs and what was it, 70 and 73. So I said, I'm going to go Willis Reed. Who else did you have up there? Clyde was up there. Clyde was up there. Clide and Pat. And Pat. Okay.

Look, it's, it, I don't want to just be prisoner of this moment, but what this little man just did, it's just beyond all this. It's so great, but maybe it's going to take time to sink in, where it's going to take time to reflect on it. Maybe it's going to take several years for people to look back. and say, yeah, but look at what Jalen Brunson did. Maybe I'm just caught up in the moment, but it just seems like, you know, Willis Reed happened even before me, so that's how far back that goes.

So I don't have a good sense of what Willis Reed looked like on the floor. I have a little sense of Clyde, but I know Clyde more from his attire and his commentating, which is spectacular and continues to be. He's still a big deal in New York City with Nick. fans. So they're going to elevate him. And then Patrick Ewan didn't win, but every Nick fan I know, if you ask

them, they'll just say Patrick Ewing. Just because heart and soul and played his guts out every night, fought, scrapped, scratch, clawed, you know, did everything he could to win

and couldn't get past Michael Jordan. So you give him a little, you cut him a little slack there, but But the Knicks fans still, if you ask them for a blind, you know, election right now, they would still vote for Patrick Ewing, I think. You don't think so? I mean, I feel like there's a lot of younger generation of Knicks fans.

I'm just saying. I'm going. I'm going. I'm going. Wasn't alive when the Knicks wanted that. I think the old heads would still go with, like, River Brunsonson would still go with Pat Ewing. I feel like this younger generation now. You've seen the videos on social.

media the things they're saying to Jaylen Brunson, right? Grown men. 17 years to four. Four years as a Nick. Chipped us. 17 years as a Nick. He got it done. He just got there.

Got the chipped on the final. The way I put it the other day, right? So I didn't see you, so I didn't see Clyde or Willis. Or Willis where you play, right? But they are in the top five, right? I put Clayton. I put Pat as the best, you and, I mean, Patrick Ewan is the best Nick of all time, right?

And I said if Jalen Brunson wins it, he can slide into that spot. Yes, absolutely. You know what I'm saying? But for longevity and what Pat did for the Knicks in that city, it's Patrick Ewing, man. Okay. Like, it hurt my soul to see him with that damn magic uniform on, man. Like, it did some dis...

It hurt my soul to see Patrick Ewing in that jersey. Nice like this. I'm going to Jailen Brunson. I'm going to jail in the bruntz. Rain drops will fall. I'm going to go jail and Brunster. Just with everything that we've said about him, the underdog. I know he's only been there for four years.

But as a small guard, everybody's saying that you were not going to be able to do this at the mecca. In the mecca of basketball, I mean, the highest of the highest, you know, of any team that has pressure of winning. And then even for his dad to say, like, you know, Patrick Kewing is the best. I'm not rolling with that. Like, that's why I love the ball, the ball dad. Lavar? Yeah, I love Lavar because, I mean, come on, man. Like, this is your son and your son.

You want your dad to lie to you? No, no, no, no, I won't, no, I won't. Like, you want to be honest with you. No, you're not being honest. No, you're not being honest. Yes, he is. No, you're not being. It's what he thinks.

I love my son. He said, this is what I think. My son is what I think. First and foremost, I love my son. I love my son. I love my son. I love my son. Levar Ball would have been like, I told y'all.

Yeah, I told you. I told you all, I told y'all this is why. I told y'all this is why he took the pay cut. I told y'all this is why. He's saying all right. He's not. Why he's saying? Of all, because he's not.

He is. He is. I get Pat, I get Pat got drafted there and everything like that. He's got a 10 years in that franchise. He is. And he never won. I got it done for y'all. I wonder why he didn't get it done.

Hey, well, Bruns is his drug. Bruns is his. He ran it. You know, Michael Jordan retired? You had a chance? Yeah. Then you lost to, you lost to Hakeem and God.

You lost to the Spurs. I'll beat my ass. Five to one. Come on. So you want your dad to lie to you. Let's go back to him. That's not lies. It can't be honest with him this whole life.

His dad has been honest with him his whole life. It's just my opinion. It's just my opinion. I think of LeVore Ball. I like LeVore. It's just my opinion. Because Pat Ewan is the greatest nigga of all time. And most people's opinion that live from New York City.

Some people are. So why are. Brinson are. So why you're trying to. to change his dad's opinion. No, no, I just said I have a problem. You can have your opinion. I just have a problem with it.

Like, his dad played that with. Wait, didn't Rick Brunson play with Pat? And played on the team with Pat. And you're on a team with me. So, no, but you can't. I'm watching both. One got it done. One got it done.

One didn't. I'm watching both. And he's taking that from a count. Yeah. I'm watching both. I'm going to say, I'm going to say, you're out of me. But you just saying. I would have told Dad, I love you, but no, you are all in.

Yeah, you wilder right now. He is taking that into account. I mean, it's cool. It's cool. That Pat didn't get it done. Rick was there. He's taking that into account, trust me. He's being a good dad, though.

I want you to still be hungry. I want you to keep working. One is not enough. I'm happy with what we've done. But you're not there yet. Listen, Rick didn't need to say that to jail for Jalen to warn him. But keep putting in that work. It's okay to get your son's credit.

He didn't need to say that. It's not said to get your son's credit, though. In that moment, right, it's just bad. Bad timing. Right? It's bad timing. It's what it is. Why? Because your son just wanted it and you let him have his moment. For sure, let him have his moment.

You got to. It's just bad time. Right, you can feel that way. You can think that. But from what I'm gathering, they didn't even get to ask the question. Man. Listen. Rick said he's going to let it be no.

They didn't even get the question now. They didn't even get the question now. They didn't even ask the question. They didn't ask the question. What would Joe Jackson? Ask the question. Damn, that's how you feel. That's how you feel?

Like. What? Let them ask, first. We're going to talk. Ain't they got to open it in Atlanta right now? Like, ain't they need a top assistant in Orlando.

Don't Sean Sweetie need a top assistant in Orlando. But ungrateful. We're going to talk Spurs or talk Nix throughout the week. They got their championship parade coming up Thursday in Manhattan. So it's going to be turned up all week long. Now let's dive into the Spurs. First we have to address a questionable moment that went down at the conclusion of Game 5 as Wimmy and several of his teammates opted to leave the floor immediately without shaking hands with the Knicks.

It was questionable, K.N. Dep up. I sat here on this very couch and told y'all what? Sportsmanship is overrated. Didn't I tell y'all that? Didn't I say shaking hands is overrated? It ain't in the rulebook for us to do it. I said that right here. But after a final. I don't care.

I don't care, Skip. No, we got to... Preseason, regular season finals game. I don't care. It's overrated. No, dad. It's overrated. Did you shake hands after you lost snow?

No. You walk off? Walk the hell off. Okay. Well, then you walked your talk. Yeah, walk off. I'm not like, congratulations. Yes, y'all did it, yeah.

Did you do it like that? But, no, I'm not fend to beat her and witness that. Like, I don't need to sit there and watch confetti fall for me to want to win it more. Like, that don't, that doesn't do it. So Wimby shouldn't have walked over to the next bench. If he wanted to, that's fine. Like, he, with eight minutes to go, before he should have walked over there? No, see, that's, see, that's, no, none of it.

None of it. But that's just. And Jay Will. Oh, my God. There's more, I saw Jay Will say the exact same thing on first state this morning. He said the exact same thing. It's over. Why?

It ain't in the rule book. Man. Because one, young lady, that's the same. on the text. It's in the rules. He's like, show me the rule. He's like, show me the rule that says I have to shake your hand after we play. Can you imagine that with LeBron? What's that?

If that was LeBron? If that was LeBron. My head was broke off. So why do they teach sportsmanship when we're young? So why do they teach sportsmanship when we're young? That's what you teach kids. It's overrated. I'm like a lot of you. But I think if it's got it, but I think if it's not going to be a big deal when we get to the NBA. to the NBA. So why do we have to do it in college? Why do we have to do it in high school?

Why are you programming? Yeah. And you feel like I always have to. Everybody don't make it to that level, Brandon. No. I know, I get it. But we should just take it out of the game then. Like even from a young... Because why, why are we doing it? Because you don't want your kids to be... Right. So you get... You have kids, right? Yeah. We got kids. Everybody got kids on this couch, right? Right. You don't want your kids behaving in certain manners, right?

But that's... You want to teach them good morals and violence and violence. Before, you know, they can make these decisions for themselves. That's a cute behavior right there. But he made a decision, they made a decision as a professional athlete. Right? You don't want your kid going to school with that. Right, right, right. So kids are watching and they see that.

So what is that type? Therefore, you tell your child that. But that's the face of the lead, though. Everybody want to be the face of the lead until you take an ail and got to do the responsibility. You have a face. Are we good? Diplomacy.

I'm talking brand. No. No, it is. It's talking about. It's wrong. I hear you be? No, it is. It's shaped.

You saw. So Isaiah Thomas. Yeah, it got killed for that. And then he doesn't, because, you know, Michael Jordan felt like it was disrespectful. So I'm just saying. The whole pistons walk right behind him. And it's the same.

That's my choice whether I want to shake your hand and now. I'm a grown-ass man. I have that right, whether I want to shake your hand or not. That was a team choice. You know, they all decided. And the only one stayed out there from what I can tell was Luke Cornet. Luke Cornet and some of the Spurs coaching staff, he only doubt two people up. Yeah, I'm saying.

So therefore, he got to have two people up. So therefore, it's, it's old. Like I said, in my opinion, it's just like you want to teach your kids certain things before they're growing up, right? You want to instill certain morals and values in them as children. That's part of it. And as adults, as adults, going to an adult too, an adult too. Yeah, but then they were able to make their own decisions after a while, right? Yeah, but those decisions, those decisions do still cost you, so those are still teaching things.

Like, I mean, because I, as a grown-in, I still never stopped learning. That is true, yes, but we're not playing sports anymore. No. Like, we're not playing sports anymore, so if somebody, like, if we get up from a business meeting and it's thing like that, it's, we shake hands, right? Mm-hmm. if the business meeting goes accordingly, right? Yeah, sometimes. Yeah, but then if not, you don't, I have,

you have the right after, however you deem feel after the business meeting, whether you want to shake that man's hand or not. That's something. So you're only shaking my hand if you feel like, if you feel like it was okay. No, I don't know. If I win, only if I win.

If I went. If it's a business meeting, no matter how I went, I'm still going to, no matter how I feel. It's a business meeting. Okay, okay, for you. So, okay, so when or losing the business meet, you're still shaking a hand.

Thank you for the opportunity. Why is there a business? Why is they winning and losing business meetings? Are you getting the bag or not getting the business? I mean, yeah. Am I getting the benefits? So are you, is there an offer here? Like, is that the business mean?

I don't know. I'm just saying, I'm just saying the business mean just, it can be like, yo, man, we, you know, we can't do it no more, this and that. Oh, fuck, y'all wasting my goddamn time. I'm out of here. It depends. It depends on the situation and the circumstance.

It all matters. I know, but I'm saying no matter what happens in a business meeting, you're going to shake their hand. Every business meeting is different. Every business meeting is different. Okay. It's like every game is different, but every business meeting is different. Right? It depends on what the business meeting entail.

So in boxing, they always, no matter what. So I can't be mad and shake you in. After we get done fighting, I understand it because that's their sport and their craft. Right. So you would, if you lose in the boxing, you ain't going to dabbing my bag? I've never been a box. I said, that's probably why I didn't. Okay.

Right? That's probably why I wasn't in their profession. Because of how I grew up in the way I developed certain things, it's a good thing that I probably wasn't because I would probably be looked at in a certain light. Maybe, I don't know. But I played a team sport. And that's just the way I chose to go up, like, when it's losing matter.

We don't be it soft, bro. Let's just keep it aware. When it moves. Soft, soft baby. He's a crying protected baby. Everybody protected him because he didn't fucking shake hands. We all making excuses for this shit. I ain't make no excuse me.

I just think he's okay. He's a cry baby, bro. Let him have his moment. No, no. I just think he's overrated. He's crepting for his moment. Let him have his moment. He's a cry baby.

That's nice. So everybody that don't shake hands, cry baby? He's a cry baby, bro. Everybody? He's a cry baby. Oh, just when? He got more responsibility than everybody in the league, according to some people.

He haven't took losing well at all. He out there trying to hurt motherfuckers, pushing people, head, elbowing people. He's whining like shit. Everywhere we go, and he still protect this man. Motherfucking, love him. without talking the media. I ain't hear y'all say nothing.

Oh, I did? I said something. Now, I wouldn't talk to the media neither. Now, oh, I ain't shake hands? Why is shaking hands a part of the game? Why we're teaching shaking hands? Like, this shit is crazy. We protect him too much, bro.

If I was somebody in the summertime, if I whip his ass, then I get a pass too. Right? Attack him. Yeah, just whip his ass. Attack him, Nick. You beat the one. Don't protect him.

Attack them. This is not a job. Attack them. This is not a competition now. We even tackle. I don't have to shake your hands. It's a competition. I can say fuck you too in the summertime.

It's a competition. That's why I ain't shaking your hands. It's a competition. That's why I'm just saying. I can do what I want to people now. That's what we're saying. It's not a job. Who is we?

What do you say? It's not shaking hands. Every great player did it. You could lose the game and be responsible and shake somebody hands and still feel that type of way. Isaiah Thomas was great. He's top five point guard of all time.

He didn't shake the hand. He's great. And it was a country. And he's been. And look at it. Look at all. It's not interesting. Guess what, Nick?

He's been criticized every since. Nick, guess what, Nick? Two-time champion? He's been involved. He's been involved with the NBA since he stepped foot out of the NBA. He's been criticized. He's been executives coaching. This man has been in every role that has possible to be in the NBA after not shaking Michael George's.

When did that happen? That happened 30-some years ago and he's still talking about it. He still is still in this day. So that means it's something. He's still talking about it. Because people do this. Because this happens and people bring it up. It's still a black mark on his name.

It don't matter what you say, it's still a blemish. He don't know his history. It only brings it up because he didn't make the Olympic team. And Mike said, I'm not playing with this nigga if he's on the team. So the reason why I'm not playing with this nigga on his team, because he didn't shake my hand after he had to be beat them. So the history of what you just saying all of what you just said is not accurate. He's solved.

I don't respect that. The reason why everybody bring it up is because he got He didn't make the Olympic. He met the criteria to be. elected, though. But he was. He didn't know about Zick neither. Because he's, I don't respect that. Shot!

I just think, I just think Isaiah Thomas' situation should be a learning experience from everybody. Like, you know, the greats, like that, that put a little sting on his career and from all the grades who have lost in the finals, they do shake their hands. That's all. It's a part of growing. Like, I feel like, if- That wasn't even the finals.

I know, but I'm just saying, if I'm learning something, if you're teaching me something, I'm growing up, it wasn't even in the finals. I'm going to keep that as I grow as an adult and everything. Like, I'm not going to stop. So, Skip, let's shift over to you. I'm very active on social media. I have been. You were very active as well on the app formerly known as Twitter. You had a new name for Wimby, if I'm not mistaken.

So do you want to let us know what your thoughts are in this situation? I've said again and again on this couch to Nick's point. There's a lot of spoiled child still in there with this kid. And I realize he's only 22. He played three years of pro ball in France, and now he's played three years in our league, the greatest league. And I'm not going to give him a 22-year-old pass on this. And to Kenyon's point, there was never an ounce of spoiled child in you,

not an ounce. So your reason for walking off at the end of the finals was completely and utterly different than his reason for walking off. I was so, Skip. What's that? No, I want to hear this. No, because we're not talking about My house on some figure out how you know what Wimby's reason was like how you figure that out.

All right. So here's what happened. Let's go back to Game 7, Oklahoma City after the game. Wemby sits up there in his media session and he is so full of himself that he says, this is like oxygen to me. I want to have this feeling and I'm quoting him. here. I want to have this feeling 15 or 20 more times. It's like

my life depends on it. This is the entry hall to our castle that we're building. This is after Game 7 in Oklahoma City is going to his first finals. And for me, that was some really premature arrogance on a kid's part who's very immature

and spoiled bratish to me. And it was reminiscent of LeBron, who was a more mature player at this point, but when he went to Miami and did that big rah-rah session with the fans. Not one, not two, not three, and he went all the way up to six or seven, and he was much more established in his career than Wimby was, but, you know, 15 or 20 more finals. And then the other night after the game, maybe I missed it, maybe I didn't

stay long enough in the session, but I didn't hear one word of congratulations to the Knicks. And you, if asked by the media after you walked off without shaking, if somebody asked you about how well the opposition played, I think you would give them their due, right? That's just how you were. That's how you were built, that's how you were taught. And he says after the game, we absolutely dominated for most of the series.

We absolutely dominated, you lost in five. You blew them out in every first quarter. You were up 10 or more after the first quarter every single time, and you did not dominate dominate down the stretch because you personally, and I can detail this for you, disappeared every stretch, every last five minutes, you disappeared. The biggest, tallest guy on the court disappeared every time and let your team down and did not acknowledge any of that. And he went so far as to say, what I'm pissed about, it's probably a hundred games before we can get back to the

finals. Well, it's a foregone conclusion you're going to get back next year because it's not to me. It's not a foregone conclusion for anybody. It's just too hard, as you well know. Absolutely. And he has no idea how hard this is going to be. This is just the start of this. You predicted the OKC Thunder to make it again

next year. No, Skip. Have I predicted? You already said it. Yeah, okay, so thank you. I validate what I just said. Yeah. He's a fan. He's not a player. Okay. Winby French, though. Guarantee, you have every basket, every player that loved their team,

they're going to win it next year. But I just think they're going to be the best team. If they're healthy, they're the best team. And by the way, go look at ESPN.com. They got their power rankings for next year up. Oklahoma City is number one. So Wimby's not allowed to have the confidence to say his team is going to be back in 100 games?

It's just premature arrogance. And there's a lot of arrogance in this kid. Remember in game four after he coaxed Mitchell Robinson into the flagrant and he's sitting on his butt saying, I'm in your head. I'm in your head. No, no. They're in your head is what happened again and again. So just quickly, I'm going to run through these five fourth quarter finishes for Victor Wimbanyama.

So game one, he made two free throws to his credit with two 16 left that gave them a two-point lead. And after that, disappeared. He had 57 seconds left a huge turnover, high dribble, and Josh Hart stole it and went the other way with it. And then 32 seconds left, he missed a huge three that could have made it a game. Then game two, it was just a disaster again at San Antonio. because he shoots the airball three with 137 to go. 30 seconds left. He misses the 17-footer from the wing.

It was woefully short and barely ticked the rim. Then he had the huge turnover. We hit Steph Castle in the back with the pass with 10 seconds to go. And then he's got the game winner two seconds to go, and he missed the 20-footer to win. It was online. It was long. He's now one for nine in his career on late and close shots,

one for nine. And then game three, they did win. at the garden, but he didn't score a point in the last five minutes of that game. And remember, the way they won it was Stefan Castle, who's a pretty terrible three-point shooter and shot for the finals, he shot 30% from three. He made one huge three that was the dagger, right, in game three down the stretch. Then he went to the free throw line and made the two free throws. And guess who made the 14-footer that was also a crucial bucket was Deeran Fox,

who was terrible in the finals. but he made one big shot, and that's how they stole game three. And then game four, the classic, the greatest comeback ever, Victor Wimmyama's two for nine in the fourth quarter and missed the two free throws with 147 left that through the door was wide open after that. And then he took Jalen Brunson on the inbound's pass, leaving the lane wide open for OG's run

and the greatest tip in in the history of basketball. In the fourth quarter of game four, Victor Wimbunyama had zero defensive rebounds and zero blocks. Well, you just disappeared. And then brings me to game five. So San Antonio is up two with four minutes to go. They're up two. And Victor just completely whiffs the rest of the way.

He does nothing. He scores zero points. And when you score zero points, that means you didn't even try to get the ball in the lane at all. So he took no two-point shots. He took two three-point shots over the last four minutes of the close-out game. And he missed the – he had one rebound, no assist, and missed another big free throw that kept the door open for the Knicks. So I just showed you all five – you can't give me one close by Victor Wominjama where I say, oh, that was impressive. That showed me something.

He showed me nothing. Five straight closing stretches last five minutes of those games. And then he's saying, we dominated. them for most of the series? No, you didn't. Not when it mattered. He needed to go play for Kenneakis. He said right. You need to go play

analytically. They won games analytically. They won games analytically, skip. They did leave for 72% in the series I get that they got. He said we. He said we. He said we. He didn't say I. He said we don't order to win the games. They're so confused.

Analytically. Yeah. I mean, they're young. Fort eight minute games. They're young. I mean, I like when we be confident as saying we'll be back. I mean, they had a, they're young. First one in there.

Every team that loses in the finals said. Yeah, but this is like, yeah, but this is the youngest team that go to the finals, and they lost a lot of the game. The Knicks was saying we'll be back too. Then, when they make it to the finals. So that shit. Conference finals, when they lost, we'll be back. Conference finals.

Rashad, took all your points about. Made it to the finals the next year and won it. We got here and we said we're going to be back. Donovan Mitchell kept saying we're going to get back. Guys who have confidence say that kind of stuff. They believe it. Okay, but they don't say we're going to be back 15 to 20 times, right? No, they don't.

I mean, that's what he would like. So is it bother you that he has that much confidence? It bothers people. Confidence does bother. I would still like to be playing as well. False confidence bothers people. You've got to show me first. I don't have to show you nothing.

I don't have to do nothing. If you're sitting around saying I gotta show you some shit, it's you sitting around waiting for me to impress you. I don't have to impress you. No. Because I've seen nothing. I've seen nothing. He got there.

He helped his team get to the finals. He got second place. Skip, you see nothing? But he helped his team get. There's only one winner. There's only one winner. So there's only one winner. Getting to the finals of a tremendous accomplishment is what you're saying.

For Victor, he feels like that is. For him, yes. For him, he feels like it is an accomplishment. Schmidt. And he feels like he's going to get there again next year. Well, I'm going to be the one to tell you, it ain't. Because I got to that motherfucker twice. That's what season for him?

After you got there twice, did you think that they were just? I got there twice, goddammit. Did you get there back and back to back? Back to back years and lost twice, damn it. Did you have confidence that you would get back there? And didn't get did I ever. You had confidence to get back, right? You was like, we could get back.

We thought we were a really good team. We had the best team in these. We thought all those things and guess what? So let's talk Little Wimby and Spurs. Just facts. Talk Little Wimby. Spurs held double-digit leads in every game of this series. Proceeded to trick off four of them to get eliminated. So Wimby fell short of his goal.

Disappeared at times during the finals. But the French Fremont was impressive in his first playoff run. We can give him that. He averaged 24 points, 11 rebounds, three assists, four blocks and one steel per game. Joining Hakeem and Kareem is the only players to average those numbers and reach the finals. His 524 points in the playoffs also the most for a player, aged 22 or younger in NBA history.

after the gentleman's suite, the alien offered these thoughts. I think that's compared to anything before. This is the biggest lesson of my life, the biggest learning moment. I can't tell exactly what the lesson is, but we're learning from that for sure. I'm learning more than any other time in my life. This has been a hell of a year until in term of experience. I don't think we could have learned more engaged. more experience in one playoff run and in one season and personally in 18 months it's

been it's been hard and full of lessons what I'm pissed about is that there's probably a hundred games before we can be back in finals so I don't know how to say it in English but I'm gonna have to you know hold that inside of me and slow down and wait and execute for a hundred games He said 100 games till we can be back night. We will, can be. Anything can happen. Everybody listens anymore. Everybody takes clips.

It just runs with him. 100 games where we can be. So, we should hear Wemby talking like that. Is that arrogance? Is that just a strong belief that he got to get close? Like Draman said, though, there's difference between reaching the finals and winning the finals. You're talking to someone who wears a crown, brother. Think I give a fuck about what other people think.

When my confidence come in the room, shit, that motherfucker shrinks. You're okay. We ready. We don't give a lot. Fuck about what people think. Say what you feel. Say what you know. Keep having confidence.

Monefucking will tell you, hey, don't give, knock it out of him. Don't give him that. Fuck him. Like him? There's a lot of people like that, man. Have the confidence.

Don't be afraid to have confidence, man. Because people who don't have confidence will hate you. They will hate you. Trust me. They will hate that shit. So have confidence. False bravado, whatever you want to call it, have that shit.

Let that shit shine. Please, don't let people dim your light. Shining. Let your soul glow. Let your soul glow, please. Hopefully it rubs off on those people who don't like the confidence you have. You can have confidence and lose, too. You can shake somebody in and be like, all right, man.

Good job. And still be confident. Do it that way, then. I ain't got to shake your hand and still be confident. No, I could still walk around my head, head high and say we're going to win it next year. Like, he's supposed to say those things. He's supposed to think they're going to be back. He's a competitor, right?

If he would have came up there and said anything less, then we would have thought different of him. Yeah, you should say those things. You should believe in your team and yourself and your ability. But, you know, it just... I think he was joking, Swag. He said, see y'all never. I think he was well-worthy. He was probably going to see the media games.

That was a joke. That was a joke. French humor. Was it? Yeah. That's a joke then, too. Because he got to talk to the heat. Comedy noir.

Comedy noir. That's why y'all never. I see y'all never. So he's never going to make it again. Yeah, it's part of his job. Comedy noir. Yeah, I think he was making a, yeah, he was. See y'all never.

Showing a little sense of humor in that moment, which I think was needed. French humor. Yeah. What if you get him passed. He probably came from somewhere. We don't know. He probably saw it in a movie, a book. movie, a book, something of that nature.

Yeah, we don't know. He's still learning English, can't even like he pointed out? No, but that was funny. I got a kick out of that. Like, I have no, like I just, I have no problem with him the words that he chose to use in order to, yeah, it's a tough moment, man. He's just lost in the finals, right?

So you're trying to find emotions, the words to use, and you feel that you didn't get it done. And it's a lot of emotions and things he's going through right now. So, yeah, you got to, you got to not waive. your belief and your team's ability. But we do know this is sports and rosters change. Things happen, injuries happen. So there's a lot of circumstances that have to go right

in order to make it back to that point. Which is his first time here. It's his first experience on this stage, making it deep run into the playoffs. So, yeah, it's all a learning experience for him, man. Everything that happened, the flagrant, not talking to the media. It's all a learning experience for him, right?

And we can only hope that he is learning from these and he'll come back a different player, a better person, whatever that is, it's benefiting Wemby, right? That's all that matters at the end of the day. That's benefiting the spurs moving forward. I think there is who you are and then there is who people want you to be.

And that often clashes in sports. True. People have this. I would rather him do this. I think he was supposed to do that. And then it's who I am and what I want to do. And I'm going to do what I want to do, even if it's going against what the hell you want to do. Can crazy be confident too?

Can crazy be confident too? Can crazy be confident? Like if I wear a bunch of fake shit all the time and I think I'm fly. Am I crazy or am I confident? You both? Both. Because you don't give a fuck about who's looking at your fake shit. That's what I wanted to see.

I wanted to ask that question. Because if I go out there and I've just got a bunch of shit on looking, but I'm confident to myself. Yeah, it's all that matter. Are they Calvin Klein draws? Am I crazy, are confident? Depends on the trust. All right.

That's all I want to. Are they silk resati drawing? Depends on who you ask. It depends on who you ask. If you're asking the person that has on, I'm pretty sure they'll tell you they're confident. You ask somebody else, They're going to be like, he's crazy.

Every time I see Sha, he crazy. That boy, that boy right there crazy. That boy crazy, man. Jamie Fox. I just seen Jamie, suddenly. That boy crazy, man. You crazy, man.

Crazy. Yeah, I'll be that. I know there's a cold word in between crazy and confident. We don't never need to get into. So it's all good. You can be both. You like the code reds that he sent out? Yeah.

Warning. Coming back a better player. warning, I'm going to get in the lab and I'm going to figure out what went wrong and I'm going to try to make it right. So that's all we could take from this, right, from his statements, right? That he has to realize that he didn't play his best basketball when his team meeting them. Good numbers, yes. Good enough to win it, no, right? So there are, like I stated this early in the playoffs, right?

The playoffs exposes your deficiencies. it shows you what you need to work on. The deeper run you make, the more the scouting reports become more in depth and detail to what you can't do what you do well. We need to take away. Take away, yeah. But it's going to highlight the things that you don't do as well and we're going to try to force you to do those things. Absolutely. And with Wembe, they understood if we pressure him and play him a certain way, he will defrauding.

to become a perimeter player. Yep. That's just what it is because physically he can't hold. I can't hold my own down here and I can't do certain things. And the team knows it. So we're going to play to those weaknesses. Now he can use the summer from now to September, work on his body.

He has to get stronger. He has to work on a few moves. He has the competitive nature. Everything is intact still. But he's 22. This was a learning experience for him. All he can do is learn from it and be better, right? And it's the right organization, I believe, to help to help manifest those things.

But addressing, I don't know how much strong and how much weight that he's going to be able to put on in that frame. I don't think he needs to put on that much. No, he physically probably can't. That's my thing. He physically probably can't. But you got to, if that is the thing though, you can't, you got to learn to play within that, right? You got to learn what Kevin Durant had to learn and certain people that, when they try to play you a certain way, Steph and Shay, because I'm not as strong and physically gifted, I have to learn these tools in order to be my best self, right? I think that's the part of the learning experience as well for the summer.

Like his summer program that they put together for you, the team give you a summer program, that has to be part of it, right? I need to learn how those guys went about it because I am same body frame. How did Kevin Durant overbecome people being over physical with it, right? I limit my dribbles. I dictate where I catch the ball. So those are things, right? Short roll. Short roll pull up and a floater

because can't nobody. So it's a lot of. It's all of it, right? It's a lot of them. If he mastered that right there, it's going to help all the guards around him and he's going to be unstoppable. Because can't nobody block it. So a floater in a short row, jumper.

Yeah, so looking at him and he shoots the ball well, but I'm just saying, so what we're taking from his statement is, I have to be better. The same thing that Shay said after this press conference, She is more seasoned in those moments. Shay worded it the right way, Wimby's still learning how to use his vocabulary in order to get people off his back, right? Shea realized after, like, I have to be better. I didn't do enough to lead.

I didn't do. It's just certain words that I think Wembe is still learning after the defeat of the biggest stage on how to handle it. So are you both okay with him being mostly a three-point shooter? When all is said and done, that's what he was through this playoff run. He was mostly a three-point shooter. What was the stats? I'll tell you exactly what they were. It doesn't matter.

The numbers don't matter. Like I just stated, that's what the defense forced. In order for him to be effective. Yeah. He had to convert to that and didn't shoot a high clip in that, right? No. Because of the, it's still tough defense being played on him. I said that.

And they're making him settle for those. They won 12 playoff games to Drew Spurs. And through those. 12, he shot 47% from 3, which is extraordinary for a 7-foot-6 guy. He made 27 of 58 3s as they won their 12. They lost 10 playoff games. And in those 10 losses, he was 12 of 56, which is 21%. So the truth is, when you boil it all down, they lived and died by the 7-foot-6 guy from 3. That's what happened. How? How many twos did he shoot? Skip. Well, I can tell you about points in the restricted area, which again, he can dunk flat-footed.

He can just do that. So on buckets that he scored on dunks are just little lay-ins, I told you this. In game one at Oklahoma City, he eclipsed his whole playoff run. He had 12 of those. And guess what? He had 41 points and 24 rebounds. Game one, they steal it and double overtime. And from there on, and they played six.

Six more against Oklahoma City and five. So it's 11 more games. He averaged four buckets in the restricted area from that point on. So 12 in game one against Oklahoma City, then all these other games that you play, six plus five, 11 games, you only average four buckets in the restricted area. Okay, that's just wrong to me.

Did he shoot more twos than he shot threes? Yes, I don't know. Yes, he did. By a large volume. Nearly a third of his shots were threes. So when you look at Wimby and his 47% from three wins in the wins, yeah. As a player, when I got it going, we have a good chance of winning games.

Absolutely. When I don't got it going, we might lose. Okay. Especially if you're the highest volume three-point shooter. SGA, did he have a good series against San Antonio's person? No. Shooting the ball? No.

Especially in the fourth quarter, he did not. at the three. Right? Would you tell him not to shoot threes no more from the rest? No, but he's never been a big three-point shooter.

But he had shot a good high clip throughout the season. This year he did. So do you tell SGA... Do you say, don't shoot no, we don't want you to

shoot more threes. We don't want you to get better as a three-point shooter, especially when we lose and you go 0 for 8, one for seven, one for... No, as players, we want to be challenged

to get better. And if Wimby, at this point in his career, the third year, Right? This is his third in the finals. We're in year three. He shot a lot of three-pointers last year. Decreased that.

He did. So his percentages went up. Now we look at, okay, he needs to shoot less threes and be more in the paint and all this. That's up for the coaches to put him in position for that. They have a guard-centric offense coming down on pin downs and flare screens and the horns action where he's getting the, he's getting, they drawing plays up for three. for him. That's what he's most comfortable doing. Yeah, just another

just analogy, right? Just take football, right? For a dude, keep going across the middle. Right? And you're getting tagged everything. Like, you're getting hit every time. Hey, man, throw me an out. Don't me a coach.

Hey, throw me a fire yard out, man. This hurt. Like, keep going in there. Keep going across the middle. It hurt, man. Throw me a deep ball. What? What?

Well, something other than me keep, I got to keep doing this the hard part, right? This the hard part. Human nature kicks in at timing. We still, as good as he is as a basketball, he's still fragile in this, right? Mentally and especially physically, as good as he is, he is going to revert to what's easiest. Yep. Yeah. That's just what it is.

Yeah, for sure. That's a lot of athletes. but he's going to revert to the path of least resistance. That's just, hey, can't nobody get to it. I'm going to stand out here and shoot this bitch. And I can make it. I know I can make it because in the wins, I'm shooting 47 and the losses, so I'm a capable shooter.

So it's okay to settle? For him, that's just what it is right now. Because he's still learning. Like, that's most people, Nick. I'm saying, you're not going to keep going there and let me going upside your. Every time you're going there, you got to pick yourself up off the ground. You got, they're going to start shooting jump shots. That's just what it is.

Even though. I experienced it, Nick, trust me. Okay, but you keep going there and keep getting hit after him just constantly and you don't, and you don't want the contact. I hope I say, yeah, yeah. That's the, that's a difference. People that don't mind it. You'll keep going in there.

They don't keep, and people that mind it, they're not going. Okay, but Kenyon, there's this thing called the free throw line. Every time they'll go upside your head, you go over there and swish-fish. They're not calling them. Yes, they are. And you know they're not going to that five. And you know they're not giving them calls. They get them calling.

They get them calls. He should shoot more free throw. For sure. They called being honest. I mean, for sure. He should shoot more free throw. Because physically what you have to do to play against him. As a big.

As a basketball player, fuck a big. You got to keep him off the glass and all that shit. And they put falls on. No, because he's out there on the three-point line. So I don't got to. But like I said, if I'm going in there, boom, you get your. That's an excuse. I get hit.

Just say of the 10 times that, like, there's. I understand. And you only call three of them. On the pick and roll, when you're rolling and you got to bump them and you got to hit them. Instead of me rolling, I'm a pop. Come on. I'm tired of that. You're not calling it.

I'm not. They call it. No, he don't. Branson was the game calls. So what's the difference between SGA's calls? When he get the calls, this whole promotion of him being a foul baiter based on him getting calls, selling calls, and them actually being fouls. Who shot the most shots in the NBA this regular season at the rim? Who attempted the most shots at the rim?

SGA. So he's taking it into the restricted area time and time again, and he's getting some of those calls. Not all of them, but he's getting a lot of them. You know what comes in? And he's a 90% free throw. But you know what comes into that, Skip? Ball handling, dribbling it low. Being the point guard.

But you 7-5 and you dribbling up this motherfucker? It ain't going to do it. That ball, you know how much space in between here and where that ball got to get to? And I only had summer with Jamal Crawford. I ain't really get to handle the ball and learn how to be a ball handling of that. I like, you know, see, this is the difference,

so this is the difference, Skip. Do that sound like the face of the Lee? See, this is the different skip. I don't think he should be out here working with fucking Jamal Crawford. Jamal Crawford was excellent in his craft, right? Like, what? I think that was a waste of time. Okay.

What are you learning how to do? That's a waste of time. Two different skill sets. That man, six, five, you seven five. What you're working on that kind of handle for? You don't need that. You need a Kevin Durant package. You need one, two, less.

Three dribbles or less package. You don't need a bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. The big point guard influence. You don't need that. That's for other guys to go work on. That's what Dylan Harper to go do. That's for the other guys to go do. You need to work on some slimpicity of that, right?

Yeah. You need to simplify your game right now. What do you think Tim Duncan and David Robinson are thinking watching Wimby play from the front row? You know, what do you think they're thinking? Well, she's not a big man. I wish he can get to the box. He's not a... He's not a center.

I wish he could make... Just get to the box. Turn around. Face. Floater. He can't. You don't think they talk to him about it? They pushed him.

I assume they do. They're pushing them to the three-point line. You can't get that thing? You think they're talking to Mitch Johnson about that. I gotta settle for three. So Mitch Johnson, you should run these plays to get Wimby on the post. Yeah. So why didn't they run any of those plays to get Wimby on the post?

I never saw a back pick to free Wimby coming up off the baseline. Just to just... No. Because once he gets two. hands on the ball three feet away, you're in some trouble because you're going to have to foul him, right? Now, you can knock the hell out of him and you can make it uncomfortable for him to be in there, but you're going to have to foul him because you can't stop that.

You run this. So this is my, like, the old school way of course, you can't teach height, man. Can't coach height, you can't teach it. Run the simple cross-screen or something, man. Like, to your point, they got to simplify for him because he has a, his weight is an issue, right? I understand. Yeah.

So you run things to catch him on the move, to get him on the move, but closer to the basket. Run a traditional old school cross screen. Slice, slice cut. Right. Back screen, slice him to the pose. Slice him to the pose. Catch him on, let him, let him, because once he get it here, you can't get to it, right? Okay.

The thing about the slice to the cross screen. Go from a slice and then go to the backside to the slice, I mean to the, to the, to the, to the weak side. So he can turn it. shoot. Okay. How tall do you say you were? Were you six-nine-ish? 10? Six-nine. If I made you seven, five, or six, it would

be, it'd be unfair, man. If I could take your, you're in, it was. No, I agree. That's what I'm saying. But if I could take your intangibles and pour into this kid, my God. It would be over, man. Yeah, but it's stuff to work on,

but that's the physical. part of it. The game part of it, the getting better, the skill part of it, should I say, the skill part of it is two separate things, right? Me better have to hold my own physically and my

skill set are two separate things. They are. Right? He's very skilled. He is. Need to simplify his game, doing too much, on the perimeter too much. He made the, like I told yourself, he was in a watch another day. When nobody guard him. He did the little fake half spin

joint for no reason. He had the ball, he just fake and wasn't nobody guarding him. I'm like, see, that's the working with Jamal Crawford shit that you don't need. Because you pull it out what you don't need. It helps with his handle. No, he don't. What, Nick? He's not handling the ball like Jamal Crawford for it

to be effective. You know how long? How low can he possibly get? But he needs handled though. He got to group that bitch down here. It ain't got to be doing Jamal Crawford, but it could be handled though. He got to get, how far that 7-5 guy going to be in being a bend in knees. I'm pretty sure Jamar Crawford

and I teach him shit he'd do. I'm teaching him how to work on his handle. A big man knee handle if you want to do everything. What do he need that for though, Nick, is what I'm asking. Because he said he played like a guard. Yeah, and you said he gets pushed out to the three-

I know, but you said he played like a guard though, right? But he gets pushed out to the three-point line. If I get pushed out there and I settle for threes and I'm scared to go down there, of course I need to Mark. Four and he's going on with his handle. Y'all just said he'd get pushed out. out there, he's selling for three. But who is he going by with his handle?

Oh, he can go by every big. He wasn't going by nobody. He's seven, five. There's just seven five. With his handle? They just need to get together. He wasn't going by nobody with his handle. You can see, he was trying.

He was trying to do in and out. He reversing out of pivots and certain things like that. And then he's pressured up on him. He's sweeping it and going through. Those. Shoot right over. But my thing is, who he, bab, bamb, bong,

in and out, cross, head. Who he doing that to him? Who are he going by? He's not. I'm pretty sure Jamar is not. Floaters. He's not. Floor's right.

Yes. What is he going to Jamal for? For what? You need to learn how to dribble. He dribble where? From the three point line to the hole. He don't need dribble. Yes.

That's true dribbles. That's one dribble for him. A handle is a handle. A handle don't mean you need to be doing N1 mixtape stuff. A handle me you be able to have that ball. That's why he said KD. If you wanted to bring it up the court, you could dribble up the court.

That's why he said K. He can do that. He can do that. Three dribbles max. I'm more into the best handler if I want to love. Andre Dronica can dribbling up the court. Yeah. But I'm just saying.

Doreen. Rudy can dribble it up the court. Nah, not like that. Yes, you can dribble it straight up the court. No, if you put pressure on certain guys, they can't dribble. And you put pressure on him, he'll give it to you. Not wimby. Not wimby.

Yes, he will. So Caruso, not. taking Wimby's cookies. You dribbling in front of him? He ain't going to pick you up 94 feet. He's going to take the ball from him. 994 feet. No matter who's teaching him out of school.

94 feet and I'm 7.5 and caruso on me. I should just pass to the guard and run down and post up. So then why would you do drilling drills if you're going to do that? Why would I go do dribbling drills with anybody?

Because I need everything. Why would I shoot all threes if I'm not? So why would I pass it up? I need everything. I need the ball handle. I need points up. But why would I pass it up? Why are you passing it up?

Why are you passing it up? waste the time. Why are you passing it up and going to do this? Because I got a smaller guy on me. So why don't you got handled too? I don't know. Why waste all that trouble when I can pass it and go to the post? So why?

What y'all saying? I can't post up because I get pushed to the three. That don't make no sense. The dribbles. The dribbles when I go against the bigs. Thank you. If a small guard is guarding me, I'm going to go to the spot and get to who is bopping.

Who is he bopping? Who is he bopping? I could bopping. Every big that is out there. Whatever. I'm passing a day. Every big else he's not. Now, he don't got the foot speed like cats.

He don't got none of that other shit. I don't need foot. Cat slow. You do need foot speed to get nine people. I got to get off you off balance. One dribble. I'm longer than everybody. That's all it's going to take me two steps of the hole.

But you're thin and you're small. And you're weak. So you get hit and now we can make you pick your dribble up. Make an excuse. So when Steph was doing this thing, would it have been more beneficial for Steph to go work with Ray Allen and Reggie Miller? Or fucking Hakeem Elijah one. I work with Sam Cassell. I work with Sam Cassell.

One dribble pull-ups. Nope. Post-up, too. Middys. I'll work with Sam Cucleps. Nobody ever said Steph was playing like a big. Hey, yeah. I'm just asking. I didn't say he played like, I said would it be more beneficial?

No, to go to Ray Allen for sure. And Reggie Miller, right? Yes, for sure. So that's what I'm saying about Wimby. Yeah, but he said, Wimby's a guard. But he's not. What he said, he plays like a guard. What he said in the position that he plays a

two separate things. If he plays like a guard then yeah, I'm gonna go to him. He plays like, but he's 7.4. I know, I get that. That's what I'm saying. The fact of matter is he's 7.4. Damn what people think he played like or what was it. Did he face the bat? He's 7.4. Right? It's automatically. He's a center.

Automatically, positionally, he's a sinner. But he plays like a guard. When Katie came out? When Katie came out? And what happened? He wasn't crossing over stuff too? Yeah, he was crossing over. So when he can't learn that from Jamal Crawford? He didn't learn it from Jamal Crawford.

So do we want him to get better or not? Getting better is me getting better. If I'm working on my ball handle, I'm getting better. No, that's not helping him, Nick. That's a waste of time. Man. Where he can listen? If you don't plan on put him at the point guard position to handle the ball more?

So you're saying everybody with handles got to be a point guard? It's crazy. He's a five man. Okay. What other five men are you want to promote to go? Joker bring it up. What other five men are going to? And he ain't breaking nobody down on the dribble neither.

But that's what I'm saying. Oh, faster, they're mostly big. And he ain't working with Jamal Crawford. No, but I'm saying Joe Cor ain't working with Jamal Crawford. I'm saying Embed had a handle, though. But he ain't going by nobody. And he's not out here with a point guard.

And B he wasn't going by no bigs. Not, boom, boom, boom, no. And B wasn't doing none of that? No, not like that, bro. Not getting by motherfuckers. Like, I'm getting you with the, uh-uh. He's 280, 290. He ain't going by nobody, man.

Not with no dribble. All right. That's all I'm saying. We're saying, Embed just what. It was with footwork. Just all this fucking bees. Talk about the rest of the bigs. Everybody else in big.

They're big. They don't have to handle. I'm not the rest of the bigs though. But my thing is not the rest of the. I'm a unicorn. Would I got everything? Would you be more? You can work on everything.

You can work on it. You don't need everything. I do. I need to be able to dribble out of certain situations too. Why? I need to be able to post up when it's time to post up. I need to be able to shoot a three if they're giving me the three. I need to be able to get to the elbow if I want to get to the elbow.

I need my car. I need my coach to put me in positions. I need my coach to put me in position. Great players got everything. I need my coach to put me in position. If I'm working on my hand on me, I'm going to be out there doing it. Anyone mistake, make, going around your head. He's going to in and out you real fast.

He don't, he, so you hear what I just said? What nobody guarded him in game four? He did a fake half spin. The smitty did shit, the fake half spin, wasn't nobody guarding him. He brought that shit out because, you know what? He got it. He got it in his arsenal. It was a waste of time, is what I'm saying.

For a big, Garnham, I'm going to do that move on him. And I get by him. Nobody was guarding him. But I could do the move, though. That's what I'm saying. For what? It wasn't a reason to do the move. There was no reason to do it, Nick.

But it's just, nigger, I could do the move on the big if he's guarding me. I would have that in my arsenal. If you were so, but we're saying this. The move you brought out in game to 360 live, right? You brought that up because you told you. On the break, would you have done? Would you have done that shit on the break? By myself, no.

Exactly. But you could. But you could, though. But you, but it would have been, that's all I'm saying, Nick. That's why he's saying, simplify the shit. That's all I'm saying, Nick. Simplify, you don't need all the shit. You got a lot, you don't need it all.

Three dribbles or less, man. That's all, like, you don't need the Kyrie Irving package because you, you don't. He don't need that. He don't need the, about the, You sham god You forget half the shit. The fact that he has the sham god and all that shit is great.

I'm not saying that. That's all I'm saying. He brought out an all-star game. Damn, that's simple. Cool, that shit looks amazing. But when it's time to get to it, NBA finals, I need you three dribbles or less.

Tuck that shit in. 17 feeding in, big fella. That's all I'm saying. We use that in the summer. That's all I'm saying. Sufficient discourse for the day. We're going to talk a lot more spurs than Knicks throughout this week.

I was hoping that the finals went longer. Unfortunately, Wimby and the Spurs let us down. We're not able to execute that, but a lot more to address, but I want to say thank you to everybody on this couch. Great show today. Yeah. Hey, huh. Get inside. Okay. What's that? Get inside. What is that?

What is it? What is it? What is it? What is it? Might be. Get your limbs. Can I sit on the top of the couch? Ants.

Can't. That's your name. Gets. Ants. Cance get packed up. Yeah, he's dead. I see he did. Okay, Kass.

You did that by yourself? Pack? Oh, that is a thing. Packed? You see, the ED is little. Good. Is that symbolic? Congratulations.

Symbolic. Symbolic. Congratulations is in order, you know. Simplism. You thought enough about me to go do all this for me. You got to do stuff. Both of y'all did this for me?

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