Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena DANCES ON Stephen A's TERRIBLE Giannis Take

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Gil's Arena Reacts To Stephen A Smith BLASTING Giannis Antetokounmpo & Ja Morant as the Gil's Arena Crew react to Stephen A Smith's viral takes surrounding the 2 NBA Superstar, where the ESPN media mogul labeled the Greek Freak as an underachiever if he doesn't win another NBA Championship and told Ja Morant to force his way off the Memphis Grizzlies before the team caves itself in. They debate is Stephen A was spitting or tripping with his hostile comments and reopen the discussion surrounding the NBA Media's role in determining a player's legacy. Next, Kenyon Martin looks back on his incredible NBA Career and takes Gil's Arena through his worst day in the NBA by detailing the first day of training camp he endured. He also breaks down his infamous scuffle with Tracy McGrady and responds to T-Mac's comments on the fight & his relationship with Kenyon. Next, they react to Draymond Green's comments saying he would rather lose in the first round of the NBA Playoff than the NBA Finals and give their take on the perspective of the 4 time NBA Champion, before breaking down Russell Westbrook's future in the NBA as the legendary point guard eyes a new team this summer. Finally, they give their takes on LeBron James' comments on ring culture from the latest episode of the Mind The Game Podcast before reacting to Dejounte Murray telling his story of the off the court issues that hampered his rough season with the New Orleans Pelicans. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Kenyon Martin, Norris Cole, Nick Young & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Download Cash App Today: https://capl.onelink.me/vFut/jkz7rlm8 #CashAppPod *Referral Reward Disclaimer: As a Cash App partner, we may earn a commission when you sign up for a Cash App account. Use our code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/ARENA10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog 0:00:00 2 Min Countdown 0:02:00 Show Start 0:05:29 The Worst Day Of Kenyon's Career 0:14:57 Swaggy P On The Infamous Kobe Practice 0:19:13 Kenyon GETS REAL On His Fight With T-Mac 0:28:50 What Matchups Did You Take Personal? 0:40:51 Stephen A Smith BASHES Ja In Memphis 0:56:11 Will The Grizzlies Trade Ja? 1:03:38 Stephen A Calls Giannis An Underachiever 1:30:26 Does Individual Success Impact Team Performance? 1:35:09 Would You Rather Lose In Round 1 Or The Finals 1:47:31 Russell Westbrook's Future In The NBA 1:57:00 LeBron's Comments On Ring Culture 2:20:34 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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To my left, we got this gentleman over here. I hate to see it. I know you got to though. I have to? Yeah, you have to. We got NBA champion of the world, Swaggy. I'm going. Hey.

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Hey. Back in the ring, we got two time NBA champion of the world, Norris Cole. Yes sir. For all the fans watching, we got two viewing options for you. We got your mobile viewing option and your traditional option. Pick one that's best for you. You talking about? Dig it?

Let's get it, man. Hey, here's what's popping in the arena today. You've changed. I've changed already? You've changed. I've got pink on. it, man. Hey, here's what's popping in the arena today. You've changed. I've changed already. You've changed.

You've changed. You've changed. But continue. We like this. Continue. Hot feet. Let's go. Let's go.

Here's what's popping in the arena today. Giannis was called an unachiever. If he doesn't win another championship, multiple championships, is the media putting too much on the current NBA stars. John Moran is not accepting any Memphis slander by any means. My bad. Damn John Moran is accepted any slander by any means. How hard is it to get free age to come to the city of Memphis?

And Draymond Green said that he would rather lose in the first round of the playoffs than lose in the finals. Does the couch agree with that one? Before we get into that, if you want to get your bread up, before we get into all that, if you want to get your bread up with underdog, sign up and use promo code GIL to receive up to a thousand dollars in bonus credit and a special pick them. Oh y'all ain't got no picks today. No picks today. I do. So you should have some picks. Yeah they ain't give me, they didn't give me they call me call me it's Caitlin all day

Higher So you get gills arena on Spotify and Apple podcast and you get your audio versions Every podcast of gills arena on Spotify Apple or wherever you get your podcast Okay, I'm talking about arena on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcast. Okay. You know what I'm talking about? I can't even move because you're just hot and so. Don't get nervous man. You know, you a tank man. You're a tank man man.

Ain't gonna be on that today. This is good for you. It ain't gonna be. This is good for you. You gotta take it easy. It ain't gonna be today. Oh no, we're good bro. This is just walking. No, this is just walking the park, man. Let's go. Let's go.

You know what I'm saying? So shout out to the next organization, man. So recently I was there. I did the pre-draft. They had a pre-draft party, right? I got together with myself, Buck Williams, Derek Holman, and Kenny Anderson. We did a little round table, right? So we were talking about certain things

that happened in your career, and what are some of the ups and downs, goods and bads, right? So I stated that the worst day of my career was the first day of training camp. We did a drill, and you familiar with it? You played for Byron Scott, right? Man, I hated it.

You played for Byron Scott? You didn't play for Byron Scott? I never played for Byron Scott. Well, Man, I hate it. You played for Byron Scott? You didn't play for Byron Scott? I never played for Byron Scott. Well, either way. Heard about the drill. You heard about the drill? Heard about the drill. Well, so.

Seen the drill. This is. Never did the drill. And as I mentioned, the drill is called easy run, but there's nothing easy about it, man. So we sat down, man, and took a look at this. Our first day of training camp is the worst day of my career. No, the very first drill that I did as an NBA player,

it's called easy run. Oxymoron, ain't nothing easy about it. Right, right. Put like 25 minutes on the clock, line up so free throw line, no, no, that would be cool, just run, right? Tell me to run cool. No, not this drill.

You line up free throw line extended, two lines. Time on the clock, you say go. Hands up. You gotta run down down defensive slide yeah okay hey get to the corner back pedal back pedal yeah slide yeah do do do do do do that's a pan around listen dog 25 minutes calves everybody listen The second practice that day, dog. Dude, you saw the soy. The dude was walking in there. Like, I had to move.

Man, I was like, oh my God. This is what the league is? Oh, man. I want to open it up to the couch. What's the worst day of your career and or practice that you had? Start with you, Norris. I would say practice would be,

we call it the Indian run, that same run. Yeah, if you follow now, Pat Rodden had us do the Indian run with our hands to ears all around. That's how we warm up every practice every day. To this day, they still do that. How long though? 17 minutes or till the last person get to the front. It was like 10, 15 minute run. It was a good run. It was a good run. For how long though? Is it 17 minutes or until the last person gets to the front?

It was like 10, 15 minute run. It was a good run. It was a good run. I was young though, but still that was tough. Yeah, I hated it. You hated that drill most? Hated it. And I like to run, play defense was my thing, but to run like this.

Backpedal and stuff? They didn't make us backpedal. See the drill that Byron created, originally originally was a Pat Riley drill, right? This was a Pat Riley drill, they just took the back pedals out though. They just had us run in a circle like this. Like a statue. How about you Nick? Worst drill or worst practice that you've had?

Shit, worst drill would probably be the easy run or the Indian run. I did both. I feel like Byron Scott just, that was probably one of the hardest training camps I had with Byron Scott. It's all running, you don't really touch a ball. I just remember Meta saying when we lost the first two or three games, he said we lost the game in training camp. We lost in training camp.

So yeah that was probably one of the, I know exactly what you were talking about with that Byron Scott shit. There's another one he made us do, I'll get into that in a minute. Probably the backboard drill. Oh man. Full court. Oh man. Can't touch the ground.

Can't touch the ground. Fucking Al Jefferson. Sleuth foot the ground. Came to the ground. Fucking Al Jefferson, slew foot ass, always late, fuck it up and we had to keep going and keep going and keep going and keep going. See y'all were horrible teammates. Supposed to laugh at him. Whenever he get there, he get there.

He wouldn't allow us to laugh. Word? Oh no, they didn't let you do that. They don't let you laugh. That was the, no, they ain't let you do that. Oh, so that's different. That was the one thing. We would always laugh if we could. Oh, see, Bobby, he didn't. He's like, we had to, come on.

Because there was the dudes that was fast. So we already like, boom, let's go. Then you got to slow down. Everybody trying to be slow. And we got, listen. Bro, it's full court, yo. Do you remember Evan Eshmeyer? Sound familiar.

Right? We had him as a big. Evan Eshmeyer. We had Jim McElveen as a big. I remember McElveen. It just sounds. Do you think that they could? It sounds. Huh? Eshmeyer. Yes, I'm saying. So we've got to laugh it more. We're gonna have to do the whole thing. No, we're not doing that dog. Michael Dolyak. Fucking Mark Madsen. Ooh, Mad Dog. That's my dog.

Mad Dog Cools, bro. We went to Spain, so that's how I am, right? So we went to Spain, Mad Dog was on the team. He asked me who I wanted to be roommates with. I picked the two white boys. You picked the Virgin white boy. You picked the version white boy. Yeah, white. Bird I try to give him some come on.

Come on. Oh no, he went rolling don't cut. Hey, but he'll say it's so respectfully latest as tempting as it is. Yep. I'm going to say no. I want to say no, but hey don't think I don't want to say yes.

Yeah, no, but that was that those drills man made us be able to go out and play as hard as we did and certain things man. So, nah, them, these teams don't. But do you think you can do an easy run right now? Who? All of us for 10 minutes on the couch. 10 minutes? 10 minute easy run? Half court though, half court. Nah, you got to do the whole thing. Nah, it's only the? Half court though, half court. Nah, you gotta do the whole thing. You don't have court.

Six of us, that's why. Oh, oh. The team was 15 of us. I don't think it matters how many of it is. How many of it is. If it is, it's just a day. You never outsmarted it. You gotta just go at your own pace.

No, you know, you can't. No, you can't. Hell no. Oh, not with him? Hell no, no you can't. We don't keep stopping the drill. No, ain't no stopping, bruh. You can work me as long as you want to, not as hard as you want to.

That sounds good. Listen, I heard that and I've been running with that saying as well, but not doing this drill. Kobe trying to beat everybody first practice? And remember, you're saying time. We're just doing it on a time. There ain't no, nah. Kobe, that sounds good. All that metric is we gotta outlast 25. That's all we gotta do is last.

Oh, we're gonna last. The only thing that I did in the second year that I did in the first year, instead of running backwards, I shuffled my feet. I didn't pick my feet up when I was running backwards. You cheating, you figured something out. I'm cheating. You're cheating something, man.

Didn't you? Look at my calves. I'm gonna figure something out. You're supposed to be running backwards for 13 minutes. That's why I said you're gonna have to slow down and take them steps. That's right. That's why I said the feet going to have to slow down and take them steps. That's why I've been defeated the greatest.

I started like shuffling up. I'm like, nah, this ain't going to work. Then we brought Dikembe in. I'm like, man, these dudes ain't going to be able to make this, man. Everybody want to go out there the first five minutes? It's going hard. Oh, yeah, it was. See, I'm not following y'all.

I'm not doing it. That's why I'm saying I'm going at my... And nobody ever did it. When you see like the stars did it when you see like You're dumb the star you start you start laughing and can't get out there like they like Trying to impress the coach man You tell you can you in the front Nasty because it is a detain like that like everybody got a father leader

Forces you to set the pace slow it down He can't throw down the rook though. Nah, hell no. As a rookie, you gotta speed up. He put you in the front, man. I hated that shit. Go ahead and ask B. Scott what I told him about rookie year. Hey, I ain't got it today, boss. You got it. I told him TRS. He said TRS, tired.

Tired. That was different, man. I wish I could have told the coach I'm tired. What? Huh? Well, number one pick. I'd have been out here. Still, man. You had Jay Ken. He was going to the championship on time. What? Huh? With number one pick? I'd have been out of there.

Still, then you had Jay Ken, he was going to the championship. Yo, second year. I had. You know what I did on my pre-draft workout? I thought you was hurt, right? Yes, but still. You told me it ain't working out.

Hey man, my pre-draft workout, I was coming off injury, they said they wanted to see me run and jump. I had just got somewhat healthy. I went out in Jersey. I literally did exactly that. I got taped and everything got stretched. I dribbled the basketball the length of the floor,

dribbled down, dribbled back, dunked the ball, and when it took my shoes off. That was sick. Are you not entertained? Yes. Are you not entertained? I. Are you not entertained? I ran. And I jumped.

Pick me or not? Got two finals out of it. Damn. Moving on. That Ailey run was no joke. No, bro. That Kobe tried to be the superhero at 38, fresh off the Achilles.

He didn't make it to the second practice. He act like he was hurt or something. He didn't act like he was hurt. Yeah, yeah. He was beating everybody. Be like Kobe. And he didn't play. He didn't practice.

He didn't do the two a day. So moving on, man. Real quick before we move on. What was, speaking of practices and stuff, Nick, you remember the Kobe, the softest Charmin thing that was super viral? Were you at that practice? What was, speaking of practices and stuff, Nick, you remember the Kobe, the softest Charmin thing that was super viral? Yeah, yeah. Were you at that practice?

What was that like? Oh, that practice was amazing, man. It just started from, I guess we lost like two or three in a row. And Kobe, he didn't really practice because he was like on his retired stuff. So he had practiced before and watching like tutor and shit, just pick out certain stuff. But that day he came in on mamba mentality, like I'm gonna get better playing with this shit. I'm gonna get better playing with this shit.

So I took that like, wait, hold on now. Well, what led up to it? Like when he got the practice, did y'all feel like he was on bullshit? Yeah, yeah. Or that the whole practice? He was in there sweating already. So he knew working his shit, sweating, you know, already got a full sweat, so we knew thing was in there sweating already. So when he knew working this shit sweating, you know

I already got a full sweat so we knew it was about to be cracking and coach said we gonna do some laughs of live shit So so before y'all came out of locker room. He already ready. Yeah. Yeah, you know me. I hope you ready today Yeah, that's what you hear them with. Yeah Like you welcome back. Like you're on some Welcome Back. I'm the captain right now. You know I was six, man. I could do whatever I wanted. Kobe always talking shit like,

you're going to go left, you're going to go left. I'll watch you all practice. So I said, you stop me then. Let's see, can you stop me going left? That led to Jeremy Lin. It was all about Jeremy Lin though because Jeremy Lin was getting ripped by Price. It was Ronnie Price. Yeah. Ronnie got game though. Yeah sit down. He would go get it and he can play though. Man because Jeremy Lin the hype and all that and he

would he was just like he would cry and shit at halftime so Kobe didn't like that. He would cry and shit at halftime. So Kobe didn't like that. He would cry at halftime? Yeah, he'd be crying and shit. Not like tears or just complaining? Like crying. Like, you got to be better, man. You got to be better as a team, man.

Talking to the team, man? Yeah, you got to be one. Y'all don't listen and shit like that. So Kobe didn't like that soft shit. But we not with the Kumbaya at all. Not with the Kumbaya at all. He not with the Kumbaya. You got to get the Kumbaya at all. He not with the Kumbaya. Nah. You gotta get it.

Yeah, man. Nobody care about your feelings. All right. He didn't talk to Jeremy Lin the whole year after that. After that practice? After that practice. The whole year. Kobe different, dog.

Cause Jeremy Lin tried to say, can we just talk, man? And Kobe like, man, get the fuck away from me with that shit. It was crying. Like, can we just talk? He was crying, Sam? Crying. After that practice after that practice start crying like what type of team are we can't be cold. Can I just talk to you? Those last words I heard them talk to each other was get the fuck away from me. That's not mmm. That's beautiful

Beautiful fucking beautiful. It is Get that soft ass shit away from me. Yeah. Cry me a fucking river. Man, cause it was bad though. He was getting ripped and shit. Like I was getting mad. Like it was bad.

Man up. Yeah, I didn't like that shit. Let's go beat him up or something. Don't cry. He's gonna cry in the car. I ain't like that. Show ass in the backseat. These little niggas got more heart than you.

Yeah, that's what it was. I ain't never know he was crying like that. That's why that one play when he waved Kobe off, that's all about that. For game. It was all about what? It was all like- From that practice? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He waved him off after that? It made it though. It made it though. If he didn't, oh man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He made them off after that. Yeah, it made it don't made it though if he didn't Oh, man. Oh My gosh that locker room would have been That was not probably been a lot that was He waited him off like Waited no, he waited. He waited. He waved him off like like now you go ahead. Yeah, I'm good

He's a dog, could you imagine what would have happened in the locker room? But I think he earned his respect right there. He did. He did. Secret swim on this one. Man. Shoot.

Went out shooting, though. That's great. Went out shooting, though. Shit. Confidence. Confidence. That's the ultimate. The wave off goal.

Wave off him? What? Yeah. What? Yeah, that'll get you kicked off the team. Yeah, man, the last security guard. He's a smooch parker. He's a smooch parker, man. Last nigga did some shit like this. He ain't make it.

Yeah, he ain't got ankles no more, man. He took his ankles. He ain't make it. All right. As we've seen before on this couch, man, I once had a bit of a trust with Hall of Famer, Trace McGrady back in the day. On the appearance of Old Man in the Three Podcasts,

T-Max spoke about my hard foul on him and his approach to facing me after that. Take a look. Kenya Martin. Kenya Martin at the time. That's my dude too. I love Kenya. I love the way he played. I wish I had played with that motherfucker, but he had a tendency of hard filing, you know, tough guy shit.

And he filed me one time in his phase of filing people hard. And I pump faked one time and he jumped up and he came down on me like this. Right. On top of my head and From that point on bro. I just had every time I seen Kenya mark. I just 46 piece 40-inch like then their offense this evening But Brady pulls up and why not knocks it down from 24 feet out, but Grady And why not knocks it down from 24 feet out but Grady now at 46

That'll be the sixth foul You're gonna look at the last three from Tracy the Grady It was just mental like the notes that I took that I got every time I see you I got it. It's personal. Yeah, it's personal. I love to do it. It's personal. That was Mac's perspective. It was cool. But where was you going? Like home. For one. So, so I had fun. So let's put it back. What the fuck is wrong with you? What are you talking about? Where is he going? Where is he going? Nowhere.

For one, okay cool. Tap on his shoulder. I had five fouls up to that point. I had five fouls. Oh no, a hard foul. No, no, no, no. This one wasn't even the game. So yeah, this wasn't even the game. Oh, okay. So, yeah, this one wasn't even the game.

No, no, no. So, since we want to, we bringing up stuff and. Oh, he got a thing. Statman, Statman, Statman. Oh, yeah, then just overall in my career, I was, I had a winning record against Tracy, 15 and 13. Now, he started it off with, first and and foremost his respect and all that. Man the hell of a basketball player, hall of famer, all that. But the fact that the foreman is

guarding the lead scorer in the NBA at the time, definitely 31. So it wasn't like I was the only person he was given 40, allegedly 42, right? So, my guy mentioned to me the other day, I didn't see it, somebody else sent it to me, the clip, right? So yeah, he had 46, he had 46 point triple-double that game. Played well, absolutely. I went back and looked at it, he made, of that I saw, four shots on me of the 46.

Tested jumpers. That one I didn't get my hand up because I had five fouls I didn't want to, so cool. But yeah, you, but respect is there, right? The fact that that's my assignment to start the game. Are you leading the score? I played a four, you two guys, three million, whatever it is. You in your seven, I'm in year three, four, four. So yeah, not a respect is there. But some of the numbers that he stated, you had one 40 point game that got a 30 you had 39 in April

of 20s I had 26 you had 39 yeah there that 19 and 12 you had 16 one game so what you had 21 game 22 one game so I just call a cap. That's all like he's a hell of a basketball player, but we not gonna go insinuate that every time you saw number six or number four that you just bust my ass. Like for 40 every time, like we not gonna do that. Like more than likely, if I guarded you most of the game, you did get your fucking average. I don't care who you are.

Man, think about it. That's where Pick and Rolls come into play. There were times I'm watching the game, you got Brian Scalabrini on you, you got Jason Collins, because we didn't mess up the assignment, we didn't switch, you got Jay Kidd on,

you got Kerry Kildos, you got Lucius Harris, you got, so. That's crazy they put you on him though. Yeah, well, I start the game guarding Kobe I start the game sometime come out the halftime guarding AI. I guarded Alan Houston. I guarded Spreewell Yeah, you listen man, you name it but the respect Tim Duncan KG Elton Brand all-stars Chris what you name it chasing pager around around chasing Jalen Rhodes and Reggie around

chasing Spree so it's gonna happen sometimes people gonna score I ain't never said I shut nobody down exaggerate on me but I never said I shut nobody down but one thing you gonna do like he the respect is there right you know what it is when you put the motherfuckers on that game like you know what it is you better get you a good night's sleep. So you fouled him and so the rest of his career he was trying to go at you every time? That's when I guess I had that effect.

Right? Right? So you said he took notes. He did his homework, he took notes. That's really hit that motherfucker. No, but it's just not, it was more than just that. Right? And you're a defender so it's- But it ain just the the foul and then what happened after the foul tough guy. Yeah

The tough guy tough guy played fucking defense The tough guy was out here getting motherfucking buckets. So yeah, so that's the only game you had 40 Yeah, so at one point of this game right here So at one point of this game right here, at one point of this game, the game he had 40 steps. So with eight minutes to go in the game, he had 43. Right? He had 46 in the game. Well, eight minutes to go, he had 43.

He had 46 with six minutes to go in the game. So you end the game with 46 with six minutes to go in the game. So you end the game with 46 with six minutes to go in the game? And I fired out, by the way. But in this same game, at one point he had 32, I had 27. So, but you didn't guard me, not one possession, brother. All right. Not one. Listen, there was not one time

you came down in that trenches. Talk about it. Huh? Right? Who was it? Gary Kittles or? Yeah. It wasn't Gary Kittles. Or for sure, it would have been 46 and 46.

Did you feel that energy out there? Like when he talked trash to you? Ain't nobody saying nothing to me out there, Nick. But one person. You're a sick nigga. Only one person really talk shit. Who's that? Kobe being Brian, man.

Yeah, I think he don't care about how you're getting hit. He don't care. No, so no, he didn't care. But no, we not finna do this, man. Like I appreciate the love of my dude. I appreciate the respect, but we not finna just insinuate that you was out here destroying me, bruh.

Like it's not that That's what picking roles can play in. I'm gonna ask who he who brought I don't know how the question was Ask who bought the best out of you what player that this so Yeah, so basically you calling cap on that he did had one 40 point game. These are the numbers. Make it clear to the audience. Cap. These are the numbers. I don't have... Make it clear. I went and looked it up. T-Mac, that's Cap. Right, I went and looked it up, bro. That's what he said. You don't want to see the highlights coming out of this.

You can look at both sides. That's the thing. I don't want to... Please don't look it up. Nick, it's a Hardwood classic. You can't look at it. It didn't get highlighted. Nick, Nick, it's a hardwood classic. You can go look at it yourself and we can talk about it. Who won that game right there? They won. But you won 15 out of 13, so. Yeah, I made it to the finals this year.

And he never got the first round. So look, don't do that, bro. Mack was my favorite player for a while too. Mack was my favorite. No, he was like that. But don't, we're not in my favorite player He said enough for that next subject He said where was you going like I thought you're going to

Like talk to your teammate No, he did this. I thought you about to say kid. Listen, my job is stop you from getting to the basket, dude. No, I'm just playing. I'm just playing with you. I'm not playing. Listen, my job is to stop you from getting to the basket, bro. So you go to drive if you know what it is. That's all you has he pulled. Great, you made it. Cool.

From 24, 25 feet. You made it. You don't wear. Hey. We all got some of those. I did my job. I even do coal like that too. That's cat.

So based on what Max said, hey, all right, whatever fool. Based on what Max said up there, he took this match up against me personally. I'm gonna open this up to the couch. Was there, was there ever a player that you, that took, that you took personal? Norris?

Like any other particular player that like? Not really. For me, I took everything personal because I was coming from a small school. They don't really know me like that. So, you know, I, I was in a tough situation. One, I was proven to my teammates, because I got Hall of Fame teammates

that they don't normally play rookie guards. So I'm proving to them that they can trust me and spoil on a 90 and nine out basis. And I'm coming from Cleveland State. So I'm proven to anybody that I see like, hey, listen, I didn't go to Kentucky. I didn't go to the Blue Bloods, but I can hoop. So I took every game personal.

That was just, I guess, little man syndrome coming from a mid-major. And that's just how I played. I couldn't turn it on like, oh, this game, I'm gonna rev it up now, I'm on 10 every game. I wasn't getting a lot of shots anyway for the eat, so my energy was pressured 94 feet, and if I get a chance, I'm gonna let it fly.

How about you, Nick? Was there ever a player that you took to match up personally? Yeah, I would say, well, when I came back home to LA, I took all them games, like just playing against the Lakers and Cove and like the stars, like D-Wade. I always wanted to see where I matched up with them when I played. So, and it was, I'll say Rip Hamilton. Yeah, of course.

Man. It's a good matchup. I played with, but it was later though. But the fact he used to come off hella screens and I just hated that shit. So when I got the ball, I wanted to. Yeah, yeah. You run away with someone else. Right? Yeah. Come here motherfucker, you want to run? I'm gonna ball, I want to. Yeah. Yeah. Come here motherfucker. You want to run?

I'm gonna show you. Stand still you little motherfucker. You gonna get this. You ain't running from this though. You gonna run from me over there. But over here you better, you gonna take this shit right here. I hated that shit man. How about you, Rashad?

What match up that you took personal? It was three guys. The three guys that Iup that you took personal? It was three guys. The three guys that I studied I took personal when I got to the league because I wanted to see how real the film was. I've been studying them since I was a sophomore so Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and Cole were the three guys that were like, once I got in, it was establish yourself, bump them, foul them, show them that you there. One, first foul.

Two, you already know what they gonna do, see if they can do it. I'm six, three and a half, they looking over me, but I had to figure out ways to bother them, you know what I'm saying, and get under their skin in a limited time. So I know I got five, I got six files. I'm gonna play 12 to 14 minutes. And as soon as I get that first file, I tell all three of them, hey, I got five more of them. I need you to give me all you got now. Don't fuck around. I'm here to try to learn

some shit. And they all delivered. They all, all right young fella that's what you want. Paul was always that nigga too. He was always like, all right it's gonna be the worst six minutes in your life right now. That's what you want with six minutes? All right cool. And Cove was always, he was always with the shit. I love that. More like the six man, like the Lou Wills and JR Smith. They used to always be like see what he doing off the bench Shoot that and a follow They was in the way like it was like cuz once you on that side, yeah, yeah. I loved them but I hated them. I can't say it was personal. They was in the way. Like it was like, cause once you on that side, you're like, you not worried about the starters.

You're like, I'm not even thinking about y'all. I'm like, who's on the bench on y'all team? Mopping him, right? They ain't got nothing. We about to kill y'all. Bench mob. Can't wait to get in there. But that was back, like back then,

we all knew who was who. So we matched up with certain niggas. He was like, all right, it's gonna be a it's gonna be one of them Jamal Crawford Lou you will Jay J. R Smith will buy no thrill all the killers, right? You know they coming off we coming off to shoot that man We all knew to each other all new about you on that shit today Man we all knew to each other all new about you on that shit today. Yeah We all come in at the same time to is like oh you coming in late to

Know what it is then you ain't about to smell it over here though He wasn't Bro, you're not sending me over there. So whatever you got over there in your little bag, you better zip that bitch up for right now until I get out of here, nigga. So me who took it personal, everybody, but. I'm taking it personal now, right? He was the UC, I was watching him since UC, everybody. Yeah, it was, I took every, see,

I took every possession personally, right? It wasn't just people. I took every possession personally. So for me to have the opportunity to play you, I was gonna make the best of it. But of course the guys with the names, man, that's getting all the accolades and recognition and certain things and the Tim Duncans, the KGs,

these guys are getting all the dirks of the world and getting all the love and recognition. And I just wanted to make their job as difficult as I could possibly make it every time I faced them. So, and each one of them guys, they have shown love and respect during our careers and after, man, possibly make it every time I faced him. So, and each one of them guys, they have shown love and respect during our careers and after, man, just letting me know

what I sought out to do. I did. So, yeah, no, it was just, yeah, no, them dudes, man, were great, but you just gonna, yeah, I had to take it personal because them dudes probably were more skilled than I was, but it was gonna earn it, kill him. Kyle Corver.

Oh man. As soon as I seen him. Lunch meat. Food. Food. Like to pick on the handicap? What? The fact that they had him in that damn scouting report

so much, I hated that shit. Looking at it too? What? He out there scared. He don't even wanna be out there scared, don't he? That's Cal Corbin. He don't even want to be out there with him. Man, that's Cal Corbin.

Mike Miller too. Mike Miller too. I hate that shit. Mike Miller's the homie, but he know. Yeah, yeah. I see Mike. Mike used to tune cats up on him. Mike got crazy gang.

Yeah, Mike got. Mike Miller got my rookie of the year trophy at home. Mike Miller, one of the coldest motherfuckers that ever do it. He was cold. He was? I played with him in Minnesota. I told him. Hederyear trophy at home. Mike Miller, one of the coldest motherfuckers that ever do it. He was cold. I played with him in Minnesota. I told him. He know how to score easy. Man. He shoot that bitch with ease, too.

Broke my leg again, my Rick Ederyear. We're not going to act like that didn't happen. Oh, you didn't? Yeah, I broke my leg again, my Rick Ederyear. In March. Yeah, they gave Mike Miller my Rick Ederyear. That's crazy. You holding that trophy for you at the crib.

Absolutely. We're not going to get in there. All right, so let's extend it out to a teammate now. Can you recall a teammate who always had it out for a certain opponent? A teammate that always had it out for a certain opponent? Take it. Take it with Tim. Yeah. I thought that would have been it.

Nah, nah. I'll say Amari. He had it more for Amari? Amari. He had it more for Amari. Yeah? Yeah. High school shit? Nah, just he was young and he was getting all this raw hype and Ticket was just like, he really liked that. He didn't like that. He didn't like none of that energy.

You know, like he thought he was good, but he's just like every time I think Ticket matched up with him, He didn't really like that. He didn't like that. He didn't like none of that energy. He thought he was good, but he's just like, every time I think Ticket matched up with him, he taught him some lessons. He taught him some lessons down there. How about you, Norris? Can you recall any time that a teammate had it out for a particular player? Yeah, when D-Way would see Rip Hamilton. Yeah, it was always ugly.

I don't know what it was. And then also, Bron, it was like, anytime he would go against the Celtics, bro. I don't know what it was. Well, yes I do, from all them wars in Cleveland. But anytime he saw that green team, he played different. Like, you know, he's normally feel the game out and do all that. Nah, when he saw them, he played like he was like scoring mode. Like, so anytime he saw Garnett and Pierce, it was on.

Anytime D-Way saw Rip Hamilton, it was... Barbecue. And he would fight them too. D-Way get... Sacred fouls. So I'm like, where does D-Way come from? Like, every time he saw him, it was personal. How about you, Nick?

Shit. One of the teammates started out ahead of that for another. Cole versus Steph, that was one I seen when he came in, at like halftime, like I figured him out. I figured him out, I know what he do. And he went out there and really... Steph Hinton with a cold move, but he did shut his water down though. But the fact that you seen his face light up, I figured him out.

I'm like, what the fuck to figure out? How you figure this thing at halftime? Because Steph was killing us. Then he said, I got him. I got him. I got him. I got him. He said, I got him.

And then that was the second quarter. He said, I got him. And then he came in the halftime talking about, I figured him out. I got him, I got him. I got him, he said, I got him. And then that was the second quarter. He said, I got him. And then he came in the halftime, talking about figuring him out, figuring him out. Then. That's the cheat shit though. Yeah.

No, because him and Mello both, like Mello told me that, like, right? You know me, I'm like, fuck that, I got it. He's like, no, they ain't gonna call certain things on me, dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the cold shit. He know they ain't gonna call everything on him me, dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's the cold shit. He know they ain't gonna call everything on him.

So he can do certain things and stuff that other players can't do during the game, right? So he figured out on how, okay, I need to do this and do that. And they let me get away with this too, so, right? Nah, that's crazy that they- They can get away with all that. A whole lot, bro.

This is one clip with him and Mello in the post. Fight. Oh yeah, fight like- Man, they ain't swimming. Boom, boom, swim, boom, boom, swim, boom, boom. I'm like, yo. That's exactly what you got kicked out of the game. Let me put do one of them to him. That's two fouls on one play. Yeah.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. All that. Flaking two, three, whatever. Yeah. We're not going to allow that out here, young man. Not against him. For sure.

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They discussed where the Memphis should consider trading John Moran during that discussion Stephen a Smith has some controversial comments about the city of Memphis Let's hear those August listen, I know y'all gotta go you gonna tell folks why? Nobody wants to be in Memphis or you want me to do it? You know why? For a player like me, I just don't think that the league, like for guys like me, I love to be in Memphis.

I embrace it, but you gotta identify those guys, right? And it's not that simple, especially a younger guy to identify that wants to be in Memphis. I wanna hear you say, why you think that? The people in Memphis is a great sports town, great fans, great people. But there's an element there where cats like Jimmy Butler and others don't feel it's the safest environment.

I'm talking to the local authorities in Memphis. You got to clean some of that stuff up because it's dissuasive to NBA players. They have talked about it. I know they've told me. I know they've heard that before too. So, John Morant must have heard those comments because he responded on Twitter saying, talking about the Grizzlies more than NBA finals with these cap emojis. What are you?

Cap as sources. Oh, cap as, oh, okay. Okay. Instead of focusing on the performances we've seen from J-Dub, Shay, TJ, C-Ockham, how this series is going, we say some negative about the city and the team on the national level. Steven A.

Okay, John. Ain't political, I like this shit. Stephen A. Okay Jodd. I ain't political, I like this shit. So Stephen A also responded to Jodd on Twitter and on first take this morning. But you guys have a picture by now. Did Stephen A go too far about his comments about Memphis? I don't think so. He told the truth. I mean Memphis is cool for certain people

but like for others like it ain't. I mean... Everywhere a little dangerous though. Every now and then? No, no, no, no, no, no. But it's not as close proximity. No, it ain't as dangerous as Memphis. Other NBA cities? Other NBA cities. The only other NBA that's that dangerous is Memphis. Come on. Yeah. Other NBA cities. Other NBA cities. The only other NBA that's that dangerous is Chicago.

You got Chicago. Detroit. And the practice facility is not in Chicago. You got Detroit. No. Not where they play at. Detroit. Yeah, nobody want to go to Detroit. What am I saying? People going to Detroit before they go to Memphis. So I've been saying, this is the thing. I've been saying this exact same thing.

Right? That Steve and they said like like it's a problem, right? And since, so people thought I was, I've been hating on Jai, I've been hating on T. Moran, I've been this, I've been that, right? No, I'm speaking honest to God truth, right? The city is ravaged by gun violence, right? And you got this polarizing figure in Jai Moran ravaged by gun violence, right? And you got this polarizing figure in Ja Morant

that's the whole gun thing, right? People dying daily in Memphis. So to Stephen A's point, right? I haven't spoken to NBA players, but I know the times that I spent in Memphis as an NBA player for 15 years, I was in NBA. The things that I saw, the places I went, the things I encountered. I would not have wanted to play there as an NBA player.

Not a chance. I didn't feel safe. Even though I ventured out and certain things, but certain environments, I did not feel safe. Right, whether it's a regular club, whatever we were doing at certain times, it's just what it was, it's the environment. Not to say that the people of Memphis are bad people.

All the people are not bad, but as the old saying go, a few bad apples can ruin the whole bunch, right? It's just what this situation is, unfortunately. I don't know, I'd rather go to, well, they should move it to Nashville then. That's what they they been talking about. That's my point exactly. You can keep it in the state, but it's better optics for the NBA, I believe.

He know that though. Right? It's better optics for the NBA. Who knows that? John knows that. No he don't. He's embracing Memphis. He's got to speak up for for Memphis and that's why they love

That is true John Stephen they wouldn't tripping on that one Stephen they'd be tripping sometime but not on that one Do you think Steve they went too far, but you gotta also take into account the city of Memphis and what the team means to the city, to the people who are not welcoming the gun violence, who are trying to get rid of it. Like that's the only little bright spot they got. You know what I'm saying? So those games and jive, beacon of hope

for the kids that are in those spots and they're looking for a bright spot. So maybe that game, you know what I'm saying? That arena is the only way out for it. Like when I was playing, we did the boys and girls club thing and I brought the kids to the arena and let them come in and watch us warm up

and talk to them. But you know, you don't get those opportunities if we not there, right? So I think they just got to figure out how to better accommodate the players outside of the city. But what do you mean by that? Just don't have them in Memphis. Don't have the players living in Memphis. They got to live in like East Memphis. Yeah, you live outside of Memphis. What most of the guys do, if they know what's good

and the team knows that, that's great. But you are dealing with a bunch of 19, 20, 21, 22, 23-year-old kids, right? They got to move at their own discretion at this point. I understand that, but still, the Bullets ain't got the name on them when you are in certain environments, and we know that. And that's a restriction.

The restrictions and discretion on your own is knowing that, look, you go to the arena, and you find a little neighborhood inside this city that you ain't gotta go too far, you gotta do this. And if you gotta give up your nightlife for that. That sound good. If you gotta give up your nightlife in Memphis for that, cause you know, sometimes in Minnesota, if we wasn't really trying to party or nothing,

we wait till we hit the road. But the road gonna be, it's gonna be fun on the road too. What about your family life though? What if you trying to go to dinner or go hang out with the wife or something like that? You don't wanna have to be like, I can't go nowhere. Cause I don't think it's like that. That's how they make it.

Not the most places, no, no like. It ain't that crazy. It like, I can't go nowhere. Yeah, I don't think it's like that. That's how they make a living out of it. No, no, like. It ain't that crazy. It's like, you can't go nowhere. But it's the, like I said, it's the optics, right? If you look up the murder rate, you look up this, you look up that, in Memphis,

how many people have left the city, right? Memphis is one of the smallest, suppose, big city, like, like, like 600,000 people live in Memphis, man. Well, here's the, here's the, like, they can't, like, literally, and, and declining rapidly. People are moving because of this reason. Whether they're moving to Nashville,

wherever they're moving to, they're not staying in the city of Memphis. But the optic that's being missed with the Stephen A comment is you're highlighting the negativity Yeah Which is making Jimmy Butler and these other guys can you know look at the situation other than what's the bright spots of the city? That's what John talking about. No, John like yo, there's other things more positive to talk about then how bad our city is

I hear you. When they ball. You line them up, right? So I hear you. You don't have to talk negative about Memphis for people not to want to go. If we want the NBA to thrive and be good. You're not going there. But look, Stephen A. Smith don't got no, what we call that, equity in the NBA

to promote it in such a way to have Memphis be a city that everyone wanted to go to So we're not saying that about Philadelphia. He's not saying about a lot of Trade though, it's not like that. I'm out of that field They're trying to make Memphis be a place where they offload Jockers. It's not only dangerous. It's this is this so jobs like yo you you Doing other shit than what you supposed jobs like yo, you doing other shit than what you're supposed to be doing.

Cause you reporting shit that is unnecessary. So unnecessary to report that Jimmy Butler and others don't wanna come to Memphis cause of the gun violence. Why Jimmy at all people? That's who he talk to. Probably. He just snitch.

So he must snitch. Jimmy didn't wanna go there. He was scared. Nah, he just ain't... That's the same thing with the heat culture shit. You talk negative about it, everybody now think heat culture some bullshit. No, it's when you line them up, it's just certain people not going to certain places, man. But it... Listen, free agency...

What's up with the free agency? We're working for certain people, don't work for everybody. It's a collective. That's the group thing shit. Finley people, it don't work for everybody. It's a collective. That's the group thing shit. Philly and Chicago is the same murder rate. True. But much bigger though. And Detroit.

Much bigger city. Much bigger city. It's per capita. Per capita, this is one of the worst. We're talking about, it's like saying, Baltimore and D.C., like D.C. Per capita, bro, it matters. If it's 100,000...

So there's more people killing it. If it's 6 million people and 100,000 people die, it's 600, it's 100,000. So there's more people killing it. If it's six million people and 100,000 people die, it's 600,000 and 100,000 people die. The one with 600,000 is gonna get hit worse because there's less people bro. Yeah, it's just per capita. It's just where it go. Yeah, it is.

It's unfortunate the way it is. I'm not going outside of feeling. Yeah, they ain't figured it out. That's just what it is. But if you ask Jimmy Butler when he was a free agent before the Stephen A. Smith comment or my comment about Memphis, whatever you want to take it. Do you want to go to Memphis? you line them up you do you want to go to Golden State of Memphis

come on you want to San Francisco or Memphis that's that's easy though right that's an easy call yeah you can't compare it to Steph Curry and the legacy and champions and young players and trade deadline season they talk about Memphis and dominant and young players. And also once reported during trade deadline season that Jimmy said he didn't want to be traded to Memphis. He did tell the Heat that. So that's a real thing. That's a real thing.

It ain't like I'm making it up. He didn't do that though too. There's reasons behind it. But his chances of winning Memphis was what? He didn't want to go to Memphis no matter what. He played in Chicago. If Memphis was good. Chicago was a major night city.

Chicago was a major city. Chicago was much more beautiful than Memphis. Stop that bro. Chicago was a major city. Chicago was much more beautiful than Memphis He played in Chicago. Chicago was a major night city. Chicago was way more beautiful than Memphis. Stop that, bro. All them fools walking around with squeaks. You talking about the hoods of Chicago.

You talking about the hoods of Memphis. No, it was not. Memphis this big. Memphis this big. Chicago was a big city. The third biggest market in America. They ain't playing in the playoffs. That shit is crazy. All them Z-Bo years, all them Icon years, was no complaints about.

I remember going into Memphis. Going to Field Street. I wasn't doing nothing crazy, but the strip club was cool. You go in, you come out. I went and got some real. Tony, I ain't no. I ain't never had no complaints about it. You go to the Pete, what was that?

Man, they ain't messing with you. Okay, that's your experience. Let ain't never had no complaints about it. You go to the people, what was that? The key box, whatever that was. Whatever that was. Okay, that's your experience. Whatever it was. Let me tell you about one I went to. I'm in there, we in there, and I'm very observant of my surroundings, and I just see certain dudes moving a certain way, aligning themselves in certain corners

and of this establishment, and I look, and you take a deeper dive and you back up and really look you got anywhere vice-law is over here Crippley they really about to get to it you're in the wrong place you should have been at Morton's roof Chris Then the white people, there's gonna be no shootin'. They done that. You gonna rob somebody over here? Those things with the work? That's right.

Different than Roscoe's and Hollywood. I'm about to say, I didn't even leave the hotel. I go to the one on the bridge. I stayed at my hotel. Man, man. Or went to like, more. Man, I'm in Beverly Hills, man. That's just sick, man, right there.

Beverly Hills, we're not going where the violence at. We're not going, they over there. They ain't lookin' for it, but it's dope. They not gonna come over here. They think it's too conspicuous You look too weird over here, dude. What you do you want to rob somebody? Here we actually It don't matter where you could happen bro, I got family and friends down there

They'd be telling you like when you come down here be careful Cole Be careful, that's all they say be careful But think about that conversation, if you one of them niggas is trying to get active and trying to move around, yeah, that's a be careful conversation. Hey look, be careful, bro. Nah, I ain't on shit.

I'm about to go get some food. That's the same thing I said, I ain't on nothing. I might go to the mall and walk around, but I'm out. They missing that part. You don't have to be on it. Sometimes they out lurking. Yeah, they out lurking. Yeah

That's in the world in the world period You did you step one foot I was go to LA already know I don't be a lurking There you go Yeah, That's anywhere. Out of luck. So we asked the poll, did Stephen A go too far? Oh, he did the poll. 56% say no. 44% says yes. Man, if you've been there, being in closer proximity

is worse, bro. You know that. Yeah, absolutely. LA is a huge place. You can get around. When you in a fishbowl and you ain't know where to go, it's a little different. There's been more hits out here than Memphis.

Uh, I doubt it. And it's bigger. LA is huge, bro. I doubt it. Because LA a big ass place, bro. LA County is huge, bro. You know that. Like, people down there, they out here,

but Memphis is a much smaller place. Memphis, man, me'm here dating, bro. So, do you guys, A clean way of shit. Do you guys like Jai publicly responding to the negative comments about Memphis? Jai. I respect that.

Leader, leader, gotta speak now. Or forever hold your peace. Young fella, Bane is gone. Now you're all alone. I don't think so. Cole? I think he ain't had to say nothing because the stuff he said after the fact,

we need to talk more about the finals. That's all everybody talking about is the finals. So it's like, if you want to take up for him, at least be accurate what you talking about because everybody talking about the finals too. As well? Yeah. Nick?

I'm rolling with y'all. Of course you are. Every too. As well. Yeah. Nick. I'm rolling with John. Of course you are. Every time. Every time. Every time. He can't do no wrong, man. He actually one of my favorite players. Watch him.

No, that's your guy. I dig it. Nah, man, he can. Yeah, you should take him for it. You should take him for it. Because he is for the people. He could have said it different than that. Steven A could have said it different than that Could have shut a water talk about Jimmy Butler and everybody

I Hey, there ain't no deal out. My bad, Jimmy, my bad. I just had to go tell him. You don't have to go see the therapist. I gotta let him know. Hey, set you back. Hey. Gotta let him know I got the plug. I got the plug. I got the plug.

Jimmy told me. Jimmy told me. So Jai's under contract through the 27th, 28th season. Is it crazy to think that the Grizzlies can trade Jai? It ain't crazy. Luka got traded. Ain't nothing crazy. Everybody can trade, huh?

That was the move to make sure that a... Luka was five times in a row first team on the NBA and got traded. Zion and Jai. Anybody can get got nowadays. I don't think they gonna trade Jai. Jalen Brown. You think they'll trade Jai?

Luka Donch is got traded, Luke. I just got traded bro Speaking up for Memphis and they trade them right after that Isaiah Thomas got traded and Luca just built after taking them Dallas and they trade still average 30 Look, we just built seven minutes. I mentioned now and then they say sorry He didn't say that you come back in the summer. You can come back in the summer 7 million, you know, he was building the ground up a brother with the basement now and then they say sorry. He didn't say Dallas. You can come back in the summer? You can come back in the summer. Seven million. You know he was building the ground up. With the basement.

He had built it from the ground up. He didn't just say nothing about that. He didn't say built it from the ground up. He didn't just speak on Dallas, though. You know what he said? That's a bro. He's standing up for Memphis, then you trade him right after. That's crazy.

Act like you ain't seen worse than this. Yeah. I done seen a lot. I ain after, that's crazy. What? Act like you ain't seen worse than that. Yeah. I done seen a lot. I ain't seen that, though. It ain't crazy. Well, that's how I seen that. What? What?

The vice, he be good. Whatever, he's crazy. Nah, but if he does get traded, where is a good spot for him to reboot his career, you think? Miami. What? Yeah. That would be home. Miami. think? Miami. That would be hard.

Miami? That would be hard bro. You think you can handle that? Absolutely. You think they can handle T-Morant? They can handle worse. They can handle way worse. You see we took them cookies didn't you? They can handle way worse. You all go see we took them cookies, didn't you? They've handled way worse. Y'all go with this man, it's cookies again. Give me them damn cookies and take your ass on the West Coast. Nick, what do you think?

I like Miami. Let's spot him and reboot his career. Come on down. They are Clippers. I like Miami. You can see they are the Clippers. A lot, bro. A lot, a lot.

I like Miami a lot. Miami a lot, a lot. Where if they keep bamAM give ship off Tala He rolled with the with Tyler. He rolled with the Duncan Robinson and hot kids take all three of them What you mean just for Jack that at the team we still got BAM we still got Terry Rozier She'll got the big boy where nah, her Rosita go but look what about the Clippers? Nah, they're trying to get a little ball

Cool in LA though If they were from New York and LA Miami just as well. No, no, no, no, no, just work. That's a workplace In the house He's gonna be in the house parties in the house Telling you bro, that's the best place to go Don't keep being an order Pat ready on call the club, don't let him in. Nah, don't pink slips or show up.

They don't care about getting on your nerves. They don't care about having people follow you when you know they following you. It's one thing to go somewhere and you like, you know, eyes everywhere. It's another thing where it's like, I'm watching you, I'm here. They texting, bro, they texting as soon as you walk in the... Wait, wait, wait, wait. They got the whole club, bro, they got the people set up to text when you walk in. Somebody watching you like a security following you to... Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait Basketball

We're playing against the city Following me though Like the best place to be so they like They let you know to say no free ride down here your target in Miami one two It's a small place. It's just as small as Memphis. Just as small. So listen to me. When they talk about the guys following you and all that shit, it ain't no nigga really like, like, if there's guys that are there that are like,

that are like season ticket, like they be a part of the, they know you. They know you on the roster. Hey, we just seen such and such. He was just here. Be cool. But if something happened, they got it. They know that on the roster. Hey, we just seen such a such he was just here Just like he cool, but if something happened they got it. They know that you was here They know what happened when it happened like they got they they doing it to have your back more than it is It's cool anyway, but if you want it them one wow factor. That's the only point. They'll let you know like, hey.

We see what you was doing yesterday. You was a wildin'. We seen what you was on. Matter of fact, from here on out, such and such, when you go out, such and such is gonna be assigned to you. You almost got robbed. You just had a little situation. You ain't even know you was about to get robbed.

Nigga, he had to clean it up cause he worked for the police department. He got your back. You ain't even know if he cleaned it up. Have somebody follow you all day? I'm just saying if you're going to try to fight the city. If you're known to be a partier, they got somebody. They got somebody. It's like the kids in school always had that one on one.

He's a max player. He played 50, 60 million. You better believe that they're going gonna be looking out for their investment. Bro, he has to. Yeah, man. In Miami? If you ain't in Indianapolis yet, y'all run around. Trust issues.

Trust issues. Trust issues. So we asked the chat. I got his work stolen too much, that's why. So we asked the chat, with the grizzlies. You say trust issues. With who? How you say trust issues?

He got trust issues. You're not supposed to trust me. If I sign them, I'm giving you 200 million. I ain't trusting nothing. You literally cheated. No. No. Who the fuck I'm going to trust you for? Wow.

Where is this going? Little Steve. Trust me. Little Steve. Nigga. Little Steve. You were not to be trusted. Damn, that D-Lo shit.

That D-Lo shit is rubbing off on everybody. You ain't kind of crazy. You ain't got to be. You ain't got to be. You ain't got to be. You ain't got to be. You ain't got to be. You ain't got to be. You ain't got to be. You ain trust me. Nigga. Little Steve. You are not to be trusted. Damn, that D-Lo shit. You are not to be trusted.

Hey, that D-Lo shit is rubbing off on everybody, bro. Hey, you're crazy. You ain't kind of crazy, nigga. This ain't crazy out here. You just said trust you, nigga. I said trust me. You quit. All the time.

You supposed to trust me, bro. Hell no. No, not in my head. Nigga, what? All right. Damn. We're not trusting Nick. So move on.

What? Hell no. How much we just paid Nick? 210 million? That's why I won't go. We're not going Nick! So move it on. What? Hell no! Wait, how much we just paid Nick? 210 million? That's why I won't stop. We're not going there, bro. We're not going there. We're not going there. We don't live like that.

Let's stop it. Let's stop it. Who? It's the wrong place. Yeah, he ain't going to live like that. The nigga ran away. They had his rehab out there, didn't they? No, he wasn't.

He ran away from us. He came back. He was high. He ran away. Came back. He was high. Checked out two weeks early. Got in trouble again. Alright man.

So we asked to chat with the Grizzlies trade John. 54% says yes, 46% says no. Damn. You said 40% what? 54 yes, 46 no. There's some trades that need to happen though. Real soon, there's a lot of trades that need to happen. Ace out. Bane seemed like he liked me. He's like, man, I can smell the air outside.

Bro, we got windows in here. He said we got windows. He said there's an indoor outdoor park. Oh shit. Steven A says, Yannis is underachiever. During his time in the league, Yonis has certified himself as one of the best bigs in the league by winning two MVPs, a finals MVP, making seven straight all NBA first teams while finishing top five in MVP voting in seven straight seasons. During a recent episode of First Take, Stephen A had this assessment of how Giannis' career

would be viewed if he doesn't win another chip. What's one word you would use to describe Giannis' career if he doesn't win another title? Underachiever. Underachiever. I'm going gonna tell you why it's one of the greatest players to ever play the game over the last four years minimum 200 games Yana second in the league 30.4 points per game fifth in the

league 11.7 rebounds per game fifth among qualifiers at 58% from the field. And nine All-MBA selections in his career, nine All-Star selections, and top 10 finishes in league MVP voting nine times. And he does, and he has more of that than postseason series wins. That's unacceptable. It's not his fault. I'm not in any way pointing to him or what he's not doing.

I'm saying that you don't look at somebody that dominant, that fantastic, with that kind of fire in his belly to compete on a night-in, night-out basis, and all you have is one championship to show for it. And all you have is one championship to show for it Yannis has been socially active doing how doing the bucks offseason and posted this on his IG story in response to Stephen A's comments The post features a tweet from hoop genius saying Yannis went from selling sunglasses on the beach in Greece to a multi-millionaire who won a championship without having to run off and create

Create a super team. He has overachieved in his wildest dream and anyone who thinks otherwise is ridiculous To which Giannis added 200 emoji Plus a fire emoji for what is worth on Monday an an episode first take, Jay Williams had a response to Stephen A. Colin Yonison, underachiever. That was one of your worst takes I've heard in a long time, man. That was horrible. I had to, you know, like I'm the little brother that has this filled with the venom sometimes when you and I go at each other and it's all love because I always, it's always love. But I think we really need to do a better job of reframing some of these conversations.

Reaction to Stephen A saying Yannis is an underachiever if he doesn't win another championship. Start with you, Nick. Why didn't he play the full J-Wing? All right, I wanted to see what he was going to say. No, he killed him. Man. I swear you're supposed to play that whole clip. So we can come off that and you're supposed to come off his clip because he... But what's it if we can get it?

But Nick, Your reaction. I would say Stephen A was tripping. Just the start of where Yarny started at, he wasn't the best coming in. He had long arms, tangibles, tangibles. Spit it out. Tangibles, that's the right word. There you go.

He had at least. Use your vowel. Tangibles. There you go it out. Tangibles, that's the right word? There you go. There you go. Use your vowel. Tangibles. There you go. Longhorns, athletic. Yes. He was a freaking nature, and he worked for all that. It's kind of similar to Kobe a little bit, but he worked for his ball handling.

Euro steps, being- Balancing all that. Balancing, you know, getting stronger, and you got to take all that into a factor, man. Everybody ain't going to win six, and you got to get over that trying to chase Jordan. Because Jordan didn't win the most out of everybody. And Bill Russell, we'll never bring that up, you know? So I say, Yanis, man, I think he can get another one though.

He's similar to the KD, you know? How about you, Norris? Reaction to Stephen A saying Yannis is an underachiever if he doesn't win another championship. At first, I thought Stephen A was, like, super tripping at first. But then I thought about who he was. He's comparing Yannis to, like, how we compare the Pantheons. Like, he looks at Yannis as like how we compare to Pantheon. He looks at Yannis as like a Tim Duncan type,

a Kim Olajuwon type talent, like a Kobe type talent, Shaq type, and so he's looking at it from that perspective and saying so from a basketball perspective, he's like, man, he's that great, and all of those dudes have multiples. So but why does it have to be a comparison? Why can't he be creating his own? Well, that's why I'm telling you,

when I thought he was tripping though, I was like, Giannis came from nothing and became what he is. So it can't be a disappointment in life, but from a basketball standpoint, I kind of was like, okay, if we're going to compare him to, if you're going to compare him and say he's one of the greatest power forwards or the greatest power forward, what do the other great power forwards or great players have? And they have multiple championships.

And so from that perspective, I don't think he trippin'. I think if you compare any from a basketball standpoint, he can't be in the same conversation as like, Tim Duncan. That's it. Or. So is Charles Barkley great? That's it.

You're not saying he's not great, though. I'm not asking that. Yeah, Charles Barkley's a man. But he ain't got nothing for great. So who else won multiple though? So is Charles Barkley underachiever? Tim Duncan is the only one I'm asking. I'm? So is Charles Barkley an underachiever? Tim Duncan is the only one I'm up against. I'm just asking. Is Charles Barkley an underachiever?

Yeah. Huh? Yeah. Overall basketball, your opinion is Charles Barkley an underachiever, no? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, because what else do you play for after you have all the achievements? So that's all we play for?

No, I'm saying once you become an All-star, once you become a defensive player or an MVP or leading the league in rebounds scoring like Barclay got all the other escalates, what else was he playing for? He was playing for that. So you're telling me that Allen Iverson is an underachiever, you're telling me that Karl Malone is an underachiever, you're telling me John Stockton is an underachiever, like you're telling me some of these all, this is what you're telling me. Yeah, underachiever like when it comes to championships, yeah. No, I didn't ask you about championships, is the underachiever. Like you telling me some of these all. This is what you're telling me.

Yeah, underachiever, like when it comes to championships. Yeah. No, I didn't ask you about championships. I said underachiever. But we play to win championships, bro. Do we? Do everybody, that's what everybody plays for? The Pantheon's do.

Everybody's going to win. The Pantheon's do. Those are Pantheon's players. You try to win. You try. And if you fall short, you fall short. It's okay. Are you underachiever?

You underachieve on the mission. You didn't win the chip. He won one though, so how is he underachieving? If he won one though. He's comparing him to, I'm telling you, from Stephen A's perspective, he's comparing him to like the Tim Duncan's, the Hakeem Elijah Wands.

That's the only one. No, he's considering me as a great player, period. The other great players. KG got one. Carmelo done. So if we really honest about it. I'm not saying that. Hakeem has championships because fucking Michael Jordan

stepped away from the game of basketball. That's true, but he got him though. So if we really talking honesty and facts here, yes. Yeah, right, yeah. He wouldn't have two. Might get one, he wouldn't have two. And Shaq got some, because you playing with that.

You asked me about Steven Nates point. I wouldn't say it was Steven Nates said, but I'm looking at what he said. Your personal. I think from a basketball standpoint, if he don't win more than one, I do think that's underachievement. Why is Shaq winning something too though?

Shaq got three, four. And who else he had played with though? What you mean who else he played with? Who else he played with to get some things? He played with Kobe DeWade. Thank you. So who y'all just played with? Y'all just assumed.

Shaq can't win one by himself now. No player can win by themselves. He didn't win one with. Oh, okay, so that's what they want him to go out and do. So, cool. So, Bashad, to Stephen. Everybody had like a bang guy with them. To Stephen A.S. and Y'allz.

But his career ain't over with them. His career ain't over. Just imagine achieving something and it's just not being enough. All right. That's crazy. All right. So let's talk about the metric I'll let you all cook. Shaq is definitely an underachiever. With the talent, he should have won 12.

Man. Oh, God. Oh, man. Will Chamberlain. Will Chamberlain should have won 20 championships. Yeah. By itself. You know how many underachieving people there are in the world that barely scratched the surface of winning two championships? Two. All right, that's under achieving an achievement. Damn.

That's backwards. Fuck. Because it comes from a backwards place and we're taking the backwards shit and we're moving it and now we're reversing time. And we're looking like, why would we say it's under achieving when he's achieving? Why would Charles Barkley be the dude that's like, yeah, I never won a championship, so my career was shit? That ain't what we saying. Nobody said that, bro.

Actually, I can say, yeah. That's not saying that. That's not saying that his career was wack. That's not saying the same thing. But he underachieved. What is an underachiever? So what does an underachieverver? He didn't win the chip. Is it a failure? To not win the chip?

Is the underachievement a failure? You have achievements and unachievements in a career. You have some highs and you have some lows. It ain't just one is high and one is low. You have both. There's context. The such thing is context, bro. So KG underachiever too?

Cause he only got one. He only got one. He only got one. He under? Jordan underachiever? He didn't get Bill one. He only got one. He only got one. He under? Jordan underachiever? He didn't give Bill Russell stats. He didn't give. No, no, no, no.

We're not, but we didn't give him. There is achievement and underachievement in a career. Like not just one. But Bill, there's sometimes you achieved and some things you didn't achieve. It's okay. Hey, let's find out. Let's find out.

So he underachiever? Let's find out. So we would, no, no, no, no, no. So we talk about achievement. So LeBron had, so LeBron had. So LeBron had achievement mark. There's not one mark. It has to be. It has to be that you got MVP's, that's achievement. You got wins in the finals, that's achievement. You got losses in the finals, that's not achievement. We're talking about overachievement mark. We're talking about the overachievement, underachievement. I don't look at it like that. And I'm not

going to be back in the corner and say one is one is one. You won some of the finals, you achieved. You lost, you under achieved, period. So we played a win-win game. So what's the next deal? So he's achieved the championship, cool. His career not over. He might win more. But I would be under achievement if he won the championship.

So if LeBron doesn't win the championship, he's under achieved? How many I got to win to be an achievement? What is the number? I don't look at it as just one. So what are you doing to achieve? Jordan talks about he failed a whole bunch in his career and that's what he's doing is achieving. So what Jordan talks about, he failed a whole bunch in his career and that's why he was able to achieve.

So he got failures and achievements. He got both. They all got to achieve an achievement. So what we talking about? Don't try to tell me what Stephen A said. I'm not Stephen A. Isaiah Thomas did that. I ain't Stephen A.

So we're asking you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're asking you for you. Yeah, you said you were an achievement. We're asking you. We damn Stephen A. So I'm about to know what's the number. What's asking you. We're damn Stephen A. What's the number? I asked Norris Cole.

Like, what's the number? Not two. It can't be one. You said one ain't enough. One is nothing. That's what we are. So what is the number? No, what are y'all arguing?

What are y'all trying to do? We're asking your question. You said he's underachiever. You said he's underachiever at one. What would make him an Achiever? If he finishes his career and he don't win anymore. I would say it's fair to say that he What's the limit number? How many do we have to win to say that he's overachiever?

Or that he I don't think it's possible for him to so to this day, too. You gotta say to I Don't know you got any more than this one. It depends on how they structure they team and all that. Like it's a lot of variables. You know what that's called? That's called moving the goals. I keep something in context. I'm not going to say two. If he get a nice roster team, two ain't going to be good enough. If he gets a nice roster team, so it's not one. You and D.J. just said it. Everybody's ever accomplished something's ever accomplished something accomplished enough not what he said yeah I'm doing enough out here it's not what he said listen he said he said y'all is your talent so great that's not what I said that's not what he said you're gonna keep tap go keep tapping I say what I

said failures in a career and achievements in a career. What number is it though? What's the number? Because he has won, he has an MVP, he has a defensive leader. I think Yonis is the best person in the league, but he said if his career ends, which we don't know how long it's going to be, we don't know because if he gets a nice roster He only get one more then that is if he gets a stack roster. We expect him to win multiple So that's my thing. So like you get your context And you just try to make it seem like no you can achieve nothing nobody said he didn't achieve

He's not saying that you didn't do'm asking what's happening. You're agreeing with him. You're agreeing with him. I'm saying what he's making it seem like. He's not saying that Yans didn't do nothing. Y'all know that. That's just what he's saying. What does the word underachieve mean, bro? He could have achieved more. That's what I'm taking from it. Okay.

So that means every single great could have achieved more. What do you call every... That you're saying that Shaq could have... Could they have? Yes. Yes. So every single Pantheon could have achieved more.

Yes, if they stacked up on the same team. If Michael Jordan won the NBA for the long long could have won the championship. Michael Jordan wasn't in the league. But he was, if he was. Michael Jordan isn't in the league. But if he wasn't, he could have. Yes, hypotheticals.

Hypotheticals, that's what we're saying here. Okay. But my thing is, so, so everyone that I named, right? That didn't even win one or won one by your metric and his metric is underachievement. That's turning into the narrative for all players that, hey man, that's what Charles Barkley was just talking about the table. If you're not at the table, you don't matter.

We're trying to act like winning don't matter though. Y'all trying to act like winning don't matter. But you said, no, winning does. You're saying he got to win more than enough. Ain't enough winning for him. What's wrong with him wanting to win more? I want him to win more. What's wrong with wanting to win more?

What's wrong with wanting to win more, though? What's wrong with that? There's nothing wrong with wanting to. What's wrong with that? It's just appreciate what he has won already. I appreciate it. Yeah, you say he underachieved. In his friends' team of life, the honesty is already of life, but in basketball he can't achieve more.

And what's wrong with saying that? What's wrong with challenging him to want to achieve more? But you're saying he's underachiever. You agree with Stephen A. If he stopped playing today, if he woke up tomorrow and be like I'm fucking done. I wouldn't say he's underachiever. If he did a Calvin Johnson, woke up and and be like, I'm fucking done. I wouldn't say he's under cheater. If he did a Calvin Johnson book, woke up and said, fucking I'm done. I wouldn't say he's under cheater, but I'd say he was an achiever if he stopped today. But why does that change? How about next year?

How does that change from right now to five years from now? Because five years from now you don't know how the roster gonna look. I don't need to win now, why I gotta win five years from now? Everybody gets better, so if he keeps winning and saying every year. Winning is not the ultimate to win now. I gotta win five years from now. If your body gets better, so if he keeps winning, so hold on, winning is not the ultimate goal right now? If you're saying I'm just- So we just gonna stop and just be cool with what we got, you know, and never like- If you said I'm good.

I ain't with that, bro. If you said I'm good. Until we hang him up, we gotta be trying to win all the time. If you said I'm good, right here. You said I'm good, right here. You said Yannis is good. Right now, he's an achiever. If he doesn't win no more in his career,

you're saying he's now not an achiever so I'm actually a question so is Peyton Manning an underachiever? Yeah he should have won more chips so even though that he matched up against Tom Brady in five AFC championships he's an underachiever I'm saying in comparison to Tom Brady to championships but he played against him so how is he one team underachachieved compared to Tom Brady. But it's just one person though. You asked the question, did he underachieve? You asked the question, did he underachieve? He underachieved compared to Tom Brady. How did I compare him to Brad Brady? You didn't, you just said he played Tom Brady.

I said that after. You said he played Tom Brady. He said after. He said after. See that's what you want here. No, no, no, no. He straight up asked you to pay back. Did Peyton, I'm underachieved during his career. I asked you did Peyton Manning underachieve during his career? You said yes. And then I stated why. And then I stated why.

But why is, so this is my problem with people- You gotta compare. This is my problem with people in sports. Thank you, O'Shaughn. Why? Why? Why? Because you don't got no point. You gotta compare because you ain't got no point. You have to compare. Why? What are we talking about though?

I asked the question. Why is Peyton Manning under the team? Why does it have to be a comparison only standing in comparison to the other great? But I asked my question so I'm Speaking he's not an underachiever So I thought so answer my second question What's your second why does it have to be a comparison? Why not we talked about? You did you did answer my question no answer my question or you can't answer my question a question. No, I'm saying why I didn't answer my question No, you guys are not doing but why?

Answer my question then I answer you absolutely right. I don't know why not compare them to play dead. No, no, you know, but I don't why why not? My question why why not Question bro. Yeah, why not? He is great Why does his greatness have to do with somebody else's greatness? Now y'all want to change words. No. I never said, Tom, I never said he wasn't great.

I never said he wasn't all that. I never said he wasn't great. But you said under a T, he could have won more chips. Unlike you, hold on, hold on. Unlike you, I'm answering your question. You got to pose. Right? You got to pose.

Hold on, Nick. Unlike you, I'm answering your question. OK. Right? You said, why not unlike you, I'm answering your question. Talk something, okay. Right? You said, why not? Yeah, why not? Because he is great in his own right, that he doesn't need to be compared to anyone else.

So unlike you, I can answer the question. So do you want me to reframe my question? I never said he wasn't great though. So, but I answered that. That's my answer. Did I say that you said it? No, no, no, no. Hold on, did I say that you said it?

But your answer is a scene where I said he wasn't great though. How is my answer a scene where they say that? Because you didn't ask me, was me? I see great you ask what he underachiever if you would have asked me What's great? Now you want to say great Paymenting is great. If you ask me that I that, I would have said that. That was my answer. You still answer my question. Still. I answered your question. The word greatness was in my answer. You say goodbye.

You still answer my question. You never asked was he great though. Of course I did, nigga. My answer to the question is why do you have to pay? You still ain't answer my fucking question. I like to compare because I like competition. And that's how how you get an only way to know greatness is levels of greatness And so if you want to talk about the levels of greatness you compare the grapes to the grace and what they have what they don't Have no that's just the way I look at it

Well, you asked my answer I gave you why That's the way you did you compare everything right if it's what this against that right no matter What when it's comparing greats? I don't compare like a non great tool like a great obviously, but I'm talking about That's what I look at man you pick it into this context everything I'm not gonna compare like a person That's like a role player a role player who don't get a chance Fuck a river dance video up and show this boy. I keep context like River dancing out this Context is context River dance video up and show this boy. I like to that. I never did that. Why is that? Why is that?

You just have to compare him. He just did what this man is great at. It's not. It's not. Because Tom Brady has more super bowlers. But that's not putting him down to say that. It's a fact. He got more than him. That's not putting him down. But you're saying he's greater.

That's not putting him down. No he's greater. You saying he's greater? What's wrong with that? Because you comparing him. That's not putting him down, no. Yes it is. No it's not. Yes, because you comparing him. Now you're sensitive. Now you're sensitive. No, it has nothing to do with Kenyon. I'm using your words, not mine.

To say that he got worse, is a fact. That's not putting him down. It is a fact. If I got two and you got four and I say you got four, you got more. That ain't putting me down, you just got more. But you comparing him. Hey, Mr. Brady, he understated. You compare him!

That's what you said. And he did! That's a fact! He won, we all know that! So compare him. That's okay. Compare Jordan to Bill Russell. Bill Russell got more chips than Jordan. No, compare him to Dan Marino.

So did you? Yeah. Compare who to Dan Marino? Compare paid men to Dan Marino. He has more chips than damn, Reno So he's so is he is he achieved more is he more he's a chief? He's achieved more than damn, but then Reno is a great player to build Russell better than George. He's not better And Robert you're not better than him. They're not better. They just have more chips He's just got more, he's not better.

Wait, you just said he better than him because he got more chips. Robert, are we better than Jordan? Come on, y'all acting crazy. These are your bills. These are your bills. I never said that. He got more rings. That's not wrong to say that. He do, he got seven. I know how to do math. Seven and six, he got more. No, he got more championships.

What's great? What's great? But you said comparison. What's great? In comparison. In comparison. That's great? In comparison. In comparison. That's a great checkmate. Jordan is, we gonna compare Roger to Michael Jordan. He got more rings.

He has more rings. He's not a greater player than Michael Jordan. I'm answering the question. I said what's greater, seven or six? What's more? What's greater? No, it's more. Matt Granary and Moore is different.

Seven is more than six. Seven is more's more? Seven is more than six. Seven is more than six. Seven is more than six. Seven is more than six. Seven is more than six, bro. I know how to do math. Me too. But that don't mean that he better than them though.

Did I say that? You was trying to act like it. No, I just said Robert Horry. Michael Jordan. That's what he just said. That's what he just said. I didn't ask you what I act like. Man, I'm telling you what I'm saying.

I said what I said. Well, I said what I said. So therefore you said. Seven is more than six. Seven is more than six. I know how to count. No, seven is more than six. Absolutely. I didn't say Michael Jordan. Act like I'm saying what I said what I said When you compare Michael Jordan to Bill Russell When you compare in the grace like you're comparing Peyton Manning to Tom Brady You said Tom is greater because he's one more. That's not the only reason I said he's greater. But that's what you said.

That's not the only reason why. That's not the only reason why. I got it. I got it. So keep it in context. That's not the only reason. I know. Don't do that. Let me get this. Don't do that. That's what you said. Yeah. That's what you said right? Yep. So then how. Oh with more records that he got. He got more records than he got all that. So how come I. Plus the more chips that he got, he got more records than he got all that, yeah. So how can my- Plus the more chips. How can Michael Jordan be greater than Bill Russell? I give you multiple reasons why.

One, the scoring titles. Scoring titles? You said name them, can I answer? Can I finish, can I finish? I didn't hear you, I thought you said something else. He got scoring titles, right? He didn't play with eight Hall of Famers on his team, like Bill Russell did.

Two, he never averaged no 13 points a game for his career, like Bill Russell did. Three, he revolutionized the game just as much or more than Bill Russell did. Four, he got just as many, if not more, individual records as Bill Russell. And so when you add all that up and then I go with my eye test, what I saw, I didn't get to see him play live, but from what I saw or whatever, when I'm looking

at it, I see MJ is better than him. What about Lebron? Wait, wait, wait. But not simply. Wait, hold on, hold on Nick. Hold on Nick. You about to. But, but for rings he had, I can still say, yeah, Bill Russell has more rings

than him, that's, that's a fact he do Question did you sit up here and say that the rings are all that matter? No, I never said that rings are not all that matters I never said that What you was grilling him about what we were here to play for but that's not the only thing but that's the ultimate prize in sports. You was grilling him about what we were here to play for. But that's not the only thing, but that's the ultimate we're playing for though. He said that's not the only thing. You was like, yes. Yes, he said the exact same thing. I said that's the ultimate prize in sports is to win.

But that's not like the only thing that matters though. He said the same thing. I never said that's the only, only thing that matters. I said that's the ultimate thing. The rings are the ultimate thing but there's more. How is Michael Jordan greater than Bill Russell? He got more rings. I just told you how. You didn't you weren't listening. You weren't listening. I know you was listening. I know if I run down the resumes and look I know you can hear. I know you was listening. I know if I run down the resumes and look you I know you can hear I know you can hear What you say we play Don't you play the wind and you said if you don't it's under cheese never cut a cast right, it's an underachievement. What color cast is it? Right. It's an underachievement. Underachievement. Underachievement.

It's an underachievement. You wouldn't be like this. Peyton Manning, underachievement. Because you already got more rings. Y'all can say what y'all want to say. I'll say what I say. Guys, so we put a poll up. We plan to win.

Who do you side with? One option was Norris. The other was Kenyan Nick Rashad. And 60% are siding with Norris Cole as of right now. I'm just playing with the chances of about $2,000. They trying to be out of context and all that. Keep it in context, man. We are.

We play to win, obviously. Uh-oh, here it comes, here it comes. And if you got a combination of both, then hey. Combination of what? What both? That's a good one. In the comparison, since you're talking about, he got more rings, I said, but.

Man, get him off the phone. Let me see it, let me see it, let me see it. He won, man. He won. He won. Yo! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha He said he won, move on. Shit, fuck. That was fucking good. Hey, man. Go for it, man. Yeah.

What we got next, man? If you can call again, let me answer. Do it again. Do it again. So on the same topic. Talking about Bill Russell. How much individual success. 42% from the field against them little white dudes, man.

Okay, cool. Go ahead, motherfucker. All right, cool. But it's still going down. LeBron ain't got no idea. He's got no idea. He's got no idea. He's got no idea. He's got no idea. He's got success- 42% from the field against them little white dudes, man.

Okay, cool. All right, cool. But LeBron and Kobe got more than everything in Georgia. How much should individual success be impacted by team performance? They don't. Once again. Say it again. How much should individual success be impacted by team performance?

You want me to say it again? It's like you ain't listening. Of course, he's- It's like listen up, man. We can move. We can move. How much individual success can be impacted by team performance? A lot.

When he comes to us. Especially when it's integrated into the team concept. I think that's the only time it should be accepted Individual performances inside the team concept that thrive for your betterment of the team is the best I think Norris He talking to start riding in Cedric right now you got excusing I think that um They go a little bit hand in hand. The greatest players, in most cases, there's some cases that's not the case, but in most

cases the greatest players, they figure out a way to impact their team to win it in most cases. You have some cases where the odds are so stacked against them. For example, when we talked about AI. It was gonna be hard for him to win going against like Shaq and Cove. But in most cases, the greatest players normally figure out their teams at least once or twice, their teams are the best. So I think individual greatness goes hand in hand with team greatness.

You want me to ask Cedric or Rodney? Or you want to answer it? What was the question again? How much does individual performance tie into team success? It goes, I think, it goes hand-in-hand because you got players that can score, but it's a lot of meaningless buckets that don't cross over to winning. Seen that this year like with Phoenix like just scoring a ball don't impact winning you know so and like you seen it with like I hate to throw like DeMarcus and like the Sacramento Kings and shit like that.

And you also got guys that could impact the game without even, without scoring 20 like Tyrese Hanenberg. So I think it all plays hand in hand for sure, for sure. Cause yeah, the moment when Kobe was scoring 80, 81, 60s, but they was an eighth seed shit. There's only so much you could do. Now I'm talking about the Texas minute seed. I mean-

Know what I'm talking about? Texas, I mean, where you from? Who, me? Old Cliff. Old Cliff, straight out of Old Cliff, talk back. Know, I mean, where you from? Who? Me? Yeah. Oak Cliff. Oak Cliff. Straight out of Oak Cliff. Talk back.

Talk back. They got to get together, man. You know what I'm saying? Don't talk about it. Straight out of Oak Cliff. Talk back. Like a tribe called Quicks. Flint by way of Oak Cliff.

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about playing in the NBA finals. Green was an integral member of the Warriors dynasty, winning four championships with the squad. He also lost in NBA finals twice in 2016 to the Cavs, and 2019 to the Raptors. During a recent episode of his podcast, Draymond talked about the difference of between winning the title and losing in the finals.

Here's what he said. I personally think making it to the NBA finals is one of the worst seasons you can have. Going to the NBA finals and winning an NBA championship, those two things are so far apart. You can get to the NBA finals and not be close to winning an NBA championship. Those two things are so far apart. You can get to the NBA Finals and not be close to winning an NBA championship. And I know that may sound

hard for people to believe, but those that have won championships would definitely understand what I'm saying. Those that have been there and didn't quite win would definitely understand what I'm saying. The NBA Finals look like you close because you lost in the actual NBA final. Very now and then you have that 2016 Warriors vs. Cavs down to the wire, takes Kyrie Irvin, hit a crazy shot, takes Bron and get a crazy block. But like sometimes you see teams like losing in NBA finals 4-2, they could have won two games

in NBA finals and really not been close to winning an NBA championship. That's how hard it is to win four games in an NBA final. Like you get nothing from making the NBA finals except a couple of 10,000 more dollars than the conference final. And you get another three weeks shorter summer. You walk with nothing.

Like the team go on and celebrate and have this incredible summer. You're kind of left stuck there trying to figure out where we really close. Do we need to run it back with this scene? What's the tweak we need to make only some GMs are smart enough to figure out like yeah We were there, but we really want it there. Yeah making it to the finals is great But if you don't win it, it's almost worse like you might as well have lost in the first round

very interesting very interesting perspective from Dreymon Very interesting perspective from Dre Marlin. For real. Understand what Dre Marlin means when he would rather lose in the first round and makes it in NBA finals? Norris. No. You're the last two teams standing, that means something.

And you don't have a chance to win unless you get there. You losing the first round, you're so far removed from close to winning one. I understand it's demoralizing it is. When we tried to go for three straight and we lost to the Spurs, it was tough losing. But I definitely was happy I was there versus having to lose in the first round. It's like competition. That's different though. You gotta have a chance. Getting there, you don't have a chance unless you get there.

So if you ain't getting there, you definitely don't have a chance. So for me, I'd rather give myself a crack at the apple. And if it don't work out, then let's try it again. But to say losing in the first round is almost the same as losing in the finals, I disagree with that. I want to give myself a chance. When we played Cleveland, we knew they didn't have a chance. So it's, I know what he meant by that like we knew it was a sweep so it's like

but you never know what's just just just to go just to go type shit but you never know what can happen injuries you don't want to pray on injuries but injuries happens people get kicked out of games you never know if you ain't there if you losing the first round you don't even get that chance. Might as well shit. Going against Swep like it's just I feel what he's saying and it hurts worse going there and know like even like teams that played the Lakers back in the day they know they have a chance. You know. You never know until you get there. I always believe you never know. Go to get extra money. Hurts worse. I don't think so, bro. When I lost to New Orleans in the first round, when I went to New Orleans and we lost to Stephanie in the first round,

that didn't feel the same as like, Losing the- In the finals. I felt better getting to the finals, bro, than losing the first round. How many finals you went to? Three. How many finals you went to?

One. Question you, do you agree with Drake mind? I'm not in this conversation. You can be. I don't wanna be. Why not? Cause I ain't playing no finals. It doesn't matter.

It does. No? A lot of people didn't have opinion about it. I got no opinion. About what that he thinks is a failure if you, like making it to the first round is just the same? Nope, they already sending a little teammate over here to attack me, so I'm gonna just be quiet.

What happened? Well, I don't agree with it. I hear him. I heard him yesterday. Like, I hear him with, yeah, you walk away with nothing, a few more dollars, all that shit, that shit sounds good. But to Norris's point, and for me to make it to two finals, come up short in each one,

I would have rather got there, right? The experience, we made it there the first year, we didn't win a game, right? To that same legacy that you spoke of Nick, like we like do very good dominant shack and all that, but next year we make it back, back to back, right? So we lose to San Antonio, but first year, like I said, we got swept.

Second year we went down to San Antonio, split the first two games. So it's, right? You, if you don't get there, you don't know what can happen. All right. So, each game you get better. And you're the best in your conference too.

You're the best in your conference too. You get that Eastern Conference Championship or the Western Conference Championship, whatever. That's all fine. That means something. Danny, but that don't mean nothing. Cause it's the journey to get there. Winning the Eastern Conference.

So what year were you in when you made it to the final? That didn't mean shit. I found that firsthand. I was happy we won the Western Conference. They're like, Nick, we're going to let you... Yeah, because they had won it before. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That don't mean nothing.

You was new to it. That's not a banner that goes across the board. No, but you have to win that in order to have a chance to get there, though. Not for Team that won three. You have to win that in order to get there. So we just won the championships, and now we can satisfy by losing this year. Never said satisfied, but you don't even have a chance unless you get there. And you have to get there.

And you have to win that in order to get there. And you have to win that in order to get there. And you have to win that in order to get there. And you have to win that in order to get there. And you have to win that in order to get there. And you have to win that in order to get there. And you have to win that in order to get there. And you have to win that in order to get there. And you have to win that in order to get there. So we just won the championships and now we can satisfy by losing. Never said satisfied, but you don't even have a chance unless you get there. And you have to get past that step to get there. Nick, you've been the one.

And I won, so I don't know how I feel to lose. You've been the one, Nick. Don't know how to feel to lose. Cool. Not a loser. I've been a win all my life, my man. Better win all my life. You was fortunate to be in that situation, Nick. Ace.

Let them dudes carry you to a championship. We get it. You shoulda did the same thing. We get who? Who shoulda did the same thing? You shoulda did the same thing. I won't go letting no nigga carry me to shit. Maybe if you was a corner nigga.

No, no, I was a star. No, I was a star. I'm not in the corner nigga, I'm a star. Well, you wasn't a star enough. Yeah, y'all was. You're the stars over this. Yeah, I've had good games in the finals I'm not in the corner. I'm a star. Well, you wasn't a star enough. Yeah, I was. You were the stars over there. Yeah, I've had good games in the finals and bad games in the finals. I made it.

I was on the right side of history. I understand about the disappointment part. It is disappointment to get there and lose, but to lose in the first round versus to have a chance at it, nah, I ain't saying. No, it ain't. It ain't the same. Everybody came in second. I get that point. Everybody came in second, yes. But, gave yourself an opportunity, man.

So, for sure. And that's all you can ask for. So let me ask you this. So, hold on, let me ask you this. Let me ask you this. So when the Warriors were up 3-1, and Cleveland came back, so you think Cleveland's attitude was,

you think Cleveland's attitude was, we rather not have been there. That was a different team. I didn't ask you that. Iitude was, you think Cleveland Attitude was, we rather not have been there. That was a different team. I didn't ask you that. I didn't ask you that. But they, if they wasn't. If the teams that know they got a chance, if you don't have like teams that know they got a chance,

and the teams that don't got a chance at all. If the team was there, did they have a chance to win or not? You got LeBron versus Green Muffins, who else he had? It was over. That team has, If the team is there, do they have a chance to win? No. so the Cleveland Cavaliers didn't have a chance to win if they were there

You talk about the team that came back three one. I'm not talking about the team I asked you a specific question I didn't ask him if you played on the team. Did I ask that? But look Everybody knew that so the question is if. Everybody knew that team had a chance. So, the question is if they were not there, could they have won? It seems they got chances and teams... That's a hypothetical, man.

It's a hypothetical. What's a hypothetical? If they were not there. No, but he said they would rather not be there. So, if they were not there... So, how can you wait until they're there as we're trying to say? My point is... No, I'm not talking about that team.

We're having a hypothetical conversation. No, we're not talking about that team. We're having a hypothetical conversation. No, we're not having a hypothetical conversation. We're talking about two different teams. No, exactly. We're talking about winning and losing the NBA Finals, right? We know the teams that have a chance and the teams that don't have a chance. Y'all want a championship. Cool.

We're not talking about your team. We gave you that. Cool. We're not talking about that team. So I don't know the other team. All I know is winning. We asked you a question. We're not asking you that. So did we have a chance? So did y'all have a first guy did know her? So let me ask you a question the team when y'all made it to the finals

If y'all wouldn't have been it would y'all had a chance to know when it no, okay You don't have a chance. Thank you. Thank you Norris We know you didn't have a chance against the Lakers everybody Everybody know when you don't have a chance in the finals.. Everybody in the world know that shit. Everybody know when you don't have a chance in the finals. Come on, let's just keep it real. Were you there? Yes, I was there. I looked.

Did you play? Did you play? I felt like it. I didn't ask you that. Did you play? Yes, I was there. In that series you was there? Yeah, I was at the game.

Oh, I didn't? I asked you, did you play? Shit. I asked, did you play? I felt like it. Come on, man. How many minutes you average in the finals? I felt like it. How many minutes you play? Come on man, come on man. How many minutes you average in the finals? How many minutes you average?

Hey look man, that's okay bro. It's okay to lose. I'm in the minutes he average in the finals since he's this big. I don't go personal man. He could, he should have did what I did. I didn't watch it. I should have did what I did. I didn't watch it. No person would have done that. I shoulda did what I did. I didn't watch it.

No person would have done that. No person would have done that. No, I was a corner dude to the end of the career. No person would have done that. I was a corner dude to the end. I mean, your good enough wasn't good enough. It wasn't. Your good was getting your ass swept.

Yeah, yeah. Let's just keep it real. You can say what you want, but you shouldn't have did what I did. Somebody else was swept. No, no, never, never gonna be that. I ain't gonna let nobody carry me over the finish line. Well, you should have,

cause you didn't go over the finish line. It's a different thing. I'm not gonna let nobody carry me over the finish line. Well, you should have, because you didn't go over the finish line. It's not the same thing. I'm not gonna let nobody get it, because I was on my own too. You didn't have a chance. Yeah, I wasn't on my own to get back. It wasn't even an inkling of a chance. All right, guys, we're gonna move on

to Russell Westbrook next. So what, I wanna do- Thank you so much, guys. Yeah, so we asked the poll, yeah, we asked the poll, would you rather lose in the first round or lose in the NBA finals? 26% said the first round, 74% said

the NBA finals. Come on man. You always want to give yourself a chance. You don't got one. You always got a chance. You always got a chance when the ball go up in the air. Right, always. Well the teams that got swept they had a chance But we all have a chance though, right you got a chance if you get there If you get Full circle if you get there you give yourself a chance! You all got a chance! If you get there you lose! Don't! No! Leave it alone! Logan you know!

My fellow New Yorker! If you get there and you lose you're fucking lost! You got a chance god damn it! You got a chance to get your ass kicked too! You got a chance to win, you got a chance to get your ass kicked! Go either god damn way! Toss it up! Chance get your ass kicked to that chance win. You got a chance. Get your ass kick and go either goddamn way away, right? Talk to the right

Under achievement Full circle is it no full that situation? Oh Compared to the leg We underachieved the Miami. Go keep rolling over. Push it again, man. Stop the button. You gotta push it. Push it again. The other button, fool. There you go. I played it right before he was waiting for that.

I said he was waiting for it too. I wasn't waiting for it. You gave it to me. I knew I was waiting for it. You gave it right to me. You didn't have to do shit. I've been waiting for it. See, I'm waiting for you niggas to come back.

You did all that shit to come right back to me. I ain't come back. Chatting with the fam was going on. I ain't come back. Chatting with the fam was going on. I ain't come back. I ain't come back. You did all that shit to come right back to me. I ain't come back. Chatting to see what's going on. What we got next, K-Mart?

What we got, man? Y'all some dead bodies up here. Zip them up. Paper or plastic? Oh, my underachieving boy. Russell Westbrook has spent the last two seasons planning to improve deals with the Clippers and the Nuggets. According to Mark Stein, Westbrook will decline this 3.4 million dollar player

option with the Nuggets for next season and into the unrestricted free agents. Westbrook appeared in 75 games this season while averaging 13.3 points, 6.1 assists, and 4.9 rebounds on 45% shooting. Westbrook started in 36 games this season with the Nuggets going 20, 20, 14 in those games. Russ also averaged 11.7 points, 3.7 rebounds, 2.6 assists in 13 games in the playoffs. With the Nuggets being eliminated by the Thunder in seven games in the semifinals, conference semis,

in the semifinals, conference semis. Did Westbrook play his way into a better deal this season? What was the number he signed for? Say it again? What he signed for? It was, it was, it was like. One for seven or something. Yeah, it was true for seven or some shit like that. He said, yeah, so it was 3.4 on this one, so we think it was like 7.

Did Westbrook play his way into a better deal this season? I think so. It depends on where, like he's staying in Denver. I think so. Where can't Russell Westbrook play? I know, like teams are scared though, that's the only thing. Where can't Russell Westbrook? I know, like teams are scared though, that's the only thing. Scared of what? The narrative?

That's it. Do you know that Russell Westbrook in four games when he was with Washington averaged 22, 19, and 18? And they was 3- one for four games with Washington 22 18 17 like Like this a dude can do that. He has a triple double when he played there This is no jumpers though. This is we talked about just all Russell Westbrook shit just say he knows how to play the game He's very valuable. He's an asset. He's a spark plug Just like he knows how to play the game. He's very valuable.

He's an asset. He's a spark plug. They make him escape go too fast. That's the only thing. That's because they refuse to let him be what he can be for your team. They try to harness and put a leash on him. They want to make him stat man.

Man. Stat man, stat man stuff. Let him play ball. And then if he's not out there with guys who know how to play, you in the way. He going to work harder than everybody. And he a good dude. I was his teammate. The year he averaged the triple-double the first time, he wasn't what the outside would

have looked like. I'm just going to keep it real. When I got there, I was like, just let me see how this is. I'm used to playing with this type of superstar. Let me see what this type of superstar is like. He was a good dude. Yes, he's fiery and ferocious on the court, but he cares about his teammates. He plans to win every time.

He ain't caring about the stats. He only cares about the wins. So if he got to shoot, you hate to say it, but if he got to shoot 22 times and only makes six, but that six one is the one that wins the game. He own it. Hey. And so you got to appreciate that style of ball. Yeah.

And he go hard, bro. I ain't go lie. I don't know how he he must rub that type of energy every night to play like that Want it you gotta want it. I'm saying most people don't like his style though We live in a net in the age now where style points would it look like it's just getting it done. Yeah He get it done All the famer the young dressers in this fat in this era By the way, some his his stats are something crazy. They be throwing these other people's stats out there.

His stats is crazy. People like what they like. Yeah, three triple what? Four straight years of triple doubles or three straight? Three. Three out of four years average triple double. And you still put Chris Paul above Russ. Who did that? Nobody did that. Do it all the time. Nobody would never Nobody did that. Do it all the time.

Ain't nobody would never do that. They do it all the time. Nobody would never do that. They got Chris Paul at the top five. The keys are what you're looking for, man. I had to think about it, because I had Chris in my five. Over a lot of guys. Over Russ?

Over a lot of guys. But that was traditional point guard. That was the top traditional John Stockton, all those guys. Crazy. And I had Chris in there. Man, you gotta go to like, all right, everybody that got gang.

Everybody that you in one face. Russ, right there. When they was in the Western Conference and Russ was in OKC, them point guards didn't wanna see. Didn't wanna see that. They did not wanna see that young man. Gangster. Gangster. Gangster.

Matter of fact, it was only one or two that could really like, he was holding. DeRose was the only one that looked at him like, hey. That got the engine like that. DeRose was like, I know what you're saying. Yeah, I'm like that. Yeah. Yeah.

And he was more polished. He was just as athletic as Russ, but a little bit more polished. Stronger. Which is why he won, you know. Yeah, back. He quicker. Yeah. So to piggy why he won, you know. Yeah, back. He quicker, yeah. So to piggyback on that, what's the best team

for us moving forward, you think? If not Denver? Well, not the current team. What, Miami? He can come to Miami. Nah, he need a vet. But he need a team that, I'm about to say, He want a wing. It's two thing, he need to go to a young team can come to Miami. Nah, he need a vet. But he need a team that, I'm about to say,

it's two things, he need to go to a young team that's going to appreciate a vet, or he need to go to a team that's like, I don't think he need to go nowhere. I don't think he need to go. This is a nice spot for him right now. The Knicks, no. Nah, it's too much media for the Knicks. Nah, he need to stay here.

Think about him him him with Joker second unit Yeah, clear roll. I don't gotta do much. I know my spots We just need another big that can do when joke on the bench I can rock with somebody that's can catch and dunk that bitch Another shooter floor. Yeah, let me give me a corner n*** over there and a roller, and we good. I'll give you 10 and five and five off the bench. I like him at Denver.

You right. I like that. I think he'll be good. What about Minnesota then? He'll be good there too. But then you're looking at both him and Conley, like age and point guards that you're depending on. He would have to come in and start.

He might retire though. Russ might retire? No, he might. Mike Conley? He might. Yeah. He might retire, though. Russ might retire? No, Mike. Mike, he might. Yeah. He's still making his decision, but. Yeah, he should, for sure.

If Mike ain't there, though, then I think that'd be a great fit. That would be expectation. Let Rob Billingham come in. Let this nigga play. Show him what he got, man. And they scared to let these young guys play that they don't know what they're going to do.

They let the other young guys play because they got to this young kid can play but then yeah, yes Yeah, yeah, he can play play with the shifts bro. He can play play he gives he would give and there was a lot of breaks out there They move only thing is though. They won't they won't add to handle the ball more They want him to be off the dribble all the time. That's cool. I think he needs to be off the ball a little bit more, especially against team IOKC, where he can catch it in the position he needs.

He ain't learned that yet. He ain't learned off ball. He ain't learned off ball movement, where flash to the middle, win the ball over here. But Ju got the ball. Ju's not an off ball passer. He's not a guy in the post that's going to a black hole so it's a lot you gotta have the ball in here but when he don't got the ball he ain't sitting there waiting for

it's Rob Dillonham show let him go to work so what is Russ fitting in that I said don't don't I say don't take rest there I say rest and Denver what's best team so I think Denver was just talking to you. Denver the best, staying where you at? Because they value him. Yes. He has a position, it's a vet team, they older, they understand shit, they just need a couple new pieces. So how is it important to have a player like Russ's mentality

in the locker room? Like having a guy like him in your locker room, how is it important, like his mentality of Where he 15 years in? How you, his approach. He always got a positive approach to the game. Like if you say you have a bad game and you a young player, he'd come to you and be like, hey man, forget the

basketball part. Think about life. Because young cats be down with themselves hard. Like, man, I'm a failure, man. I can't get my game out. I'm here by everybody. You in the NBA. And you a winner.

Cheering them up, like saying good stuff to cheer them up. So as a vet, as a young player, you want that. When I was a young player, I loved having Jawaun Howard come to me and be like, hey, young fella, your time coming. You are good. Russ is that guy as a vet now. So I think his personality in locker room is dope for a young player that's trying to develop.

And plus he ain't got no real ego. He already did achieve. He's a walking holler. When he walk in, he don't got a tuck tail. When he walk in, he like, y'all looking at NBA record books, I'm all over that mug. So I am who I am. And so he don't have to be insecure about nothing.

It's dope. Yeah, dope for sure. Rusty's a good dude. For sure. Misunderstood. Just misunderstood, hard worker. Misunderstood to the media, but I feel like players know.

Yeah. I feel like... But it's unfortunate media holds so much weight now that you... It was a snowball effect. For the Lakers too, man. They did him bad. Y'all know what they were saying about the Lakers. It's easy to make them blame somebody

besides the other guy. Shawty, talk about that, Shawty. Talk about it, Shawty. What are you talking about? Moving on. On the latest episode of Mind the Game podcast, LeBron and Steve Nash address the topic of ring culture and how it dominates the NBA conversation. Take a listen. I don't know why it's discussed so much in our sport and why it's the A-all, B-all of

everything. You sit here and tell me, you know, Alan Iverson and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, are fucking, wasn't unbelievable, like, oh, they can't be talked about or discussed with these guys because this guy won one ring or won two rings or won, like, it's just weird to me. It's like Sam Peyton Manning can't be in the same room with Brady or Mahomes because he only has one ring they don't never discuss that in these sports or

telling me that damn Reno is not the greatest slinger of all time or he can't be in the room with those guys because he didn't win a championship they don't discuss those things you know I don't know I don't know. I don't know. Did Barry Bonds win a World Series? I don't think so. I don't think so. Barry Bonds never won a World Series. You can't sit here and tell me that he's not the greatest baseball player to ever touch

a bat. I mean, Jerry West, I think, went to like nine straight NBA finals. Right. The logo. And was only able to win one. They went to like nine straight NBA finals. Right. And Logo. And was only able to win one. And he's the logo of our league. So you can't sit here and tell me that, okay, well, because he only won one, the guy can't

be in the same room with the guy who won two or three or four. Like, why not? This guy, he's our logo. He'll paint any narrative to try to... Is reen culture bad for the NBA conversation overall? You can be switching up. You can't say it's reen's and then it's not. So, is there...

Yeah, I want to make sure we clear with what he's already been saying. Hold on, let me ask the question, then we can... Let me ask the question. Let me ask the question. Let me ask the question. Hold on, let me ask the fucking question. God damn. Is re-enculture bad for the NBA conversation overall?

There's multi-layered. So let's get- Yeah, I don't think it's bad overall. No, I don't think it's bad. I think it's bad because they only act like one person. They like Jordan won the most rings. And he's the greatest because he won six rings. I don't think that's what they say about Jordan.

That's not the only reason why they say that about Jordan. Everybody that get compared from Kobe, they gotta chase six rings. LeBron gotta chase six rings. He didn't win six. He didn't win, that's why he's not the GOAT. And you just said he's not the GOAT. That's not the only reason why people say he's not the

Goat, though. That's not It is a reason that's not the only reason why that's that's not the only reason why well I don't like that I don't like that he said that either because he would have never said that if Kobe was sitting in front of him with that conversation He would have never said nothing like that Because Kobe wouldn't be what do Kobe say about rings? It's all of what do Kobe say about rings? What do Kobe say about rings? And he in LA saying that like Kobe would have never said that if Kobe was sitting in front of him. That's all I'm saying. And let real Laker fans know that. That just ain't, you know what I mean?

I don't think it's ruining the game. I think some people take it out of context, but I don't think it's ruining the game. I don't think it's ruining the game. You're sitting here saying people people not great because they didn't It's a difference it is a difference it is a difference That's that you'll see education He did he had some underachieving moments he did I'm afraid I understand the state So you're not the. He still to go. He still to go.

He don't got the most rings, but he still to go though. I know mathematics brother. So what's the vertical? But what are we talking about now? My man got more stats and everything. Cause we just had a conversation about, we just had a conversation about underachieving. Yep.

Right? So paid manning. You talking about ring coaching? Pey Manning. And if you go ask the football players, they'll say he's not in the same room as Pey Manning. It was so ironic that he said exactly what we were saying. Yeah.

And guess what? He wrong. If you go ask NFL players, they not in the same room, bruh. But we- One of my homies, he was the best safety- We know they're not in the same room, boy. So what are we asking? What are y'all asking me, bro? We're talking about the underachievement part.

The underachievement part is taken away from the conversation with everybody in the same room. It's the same conversation with that. Because everyone in the room has achieved. We know we can all have a conversation, because we all here. Now, we're talking about that one championship. We're all referencing the one championship.

So everybody in the room has won a championship, right? So we should all be able to have a conversation about what? Championships, that's the one thing we have in common. Now this other guy over here, he got six of them. You wanna hear some stories, you gotta go sit at that table. They got stories from six or more. That's Robert Horry Ory Michael Jordan Scotty

all the niggas over there they talking and they ain't no chairs but you can stand over them and listen to the conversation you can't talk everybody else got other segmented table that they can sit at and it's like it's like a Twitter spaces you gotta listen it's like when Twitter spaces. You can come in here, I'll call you up if you're good enough, but you gotta listen. It's like when you go to a gala, they got something on the table, right? There's different levels to it though. They got the numbers on the table. I agree with you though, there's different levels to it.

This is table one. What about the score right now? There's different levels to it. But you gotta have some sixes to one. We all great, but it's different rooms. Table two is this many, table three is this many, table four, but they all in this room together. Okay, well, that's semantic. So in that case, it's like, oh, it's not semantic.

It's not. It's not. I agree, I agree. You set the bar at one. Because these are facts, right? You set the bar at one. I agree that it's levels two. I agree that it's levels two.

Some people have more rings than others. That's true. Some people have none, some people have more rings than others, right? I agree with that, actually, how you broke that down. I actually, I kind of agree with that. But look, this is what Braun is saying. Braun is saying, well why can't Steve Nash and Allen Iverson and these guys have conversations with the guys that have won? John Stockton, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley. Charles admitted himself, I can't have conversations at that table over there. We didn't make it that far to do that.

Charles is a realist though. He understands that. But that's, that's the understanding. We didn't make it that far to do that. Charles is a realist though. He understands that. That don't take away from the greatness that he understands that. He's not in that realm. But look, that's the understanding we're talking about. It's levels to the greatness. When he was saying that about the underachievement shit with Peyton Manning in comparison, he's

saying why do we have to compare when we all in the room? You don't have to compare me to a nigga sitting at that table over there. Well, I mean, so why can't we compare? People wanna talk and people like to compare. Like, what's wrong with wanting to compare, bruh? Because there's no- It's not like you really, well, for me, I can't speak for everybody else.

For me, I don't ever wanna- You compare something as a side of metric by team success with a bunch of individuals in a room. And you're saying, nah. So what separates them though? Why do you? If we all great, so what's some of the separating facts? Some championships be separating that sometimes, bro.

Because let's hear me out. Because if we look at football, right? Just take Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Talk to him. One was the first pick in the draft. Undoubtedly. And the other one was damn irrelevant. The last pick.

No he was. He was 199. He was right by it though. Six round pick. Six round. But we're talking about football here. We're talking about each one of them throwing the football in what they are as quarterbacks, right?

At that, right? Talking about talent. It's football. Just that position, we're talking about them, right? quarterbacks right at that right. Talking about talent. It's football just that position we're talking about them right. Okay. But Tom is a better quarterback. Yeah. And the reason why.

He's a better quarterback. Because he won more championships. He's a better quarterback because he won more championships. That's one of the reasons why he's not a better quarterback And Peyton Manning he is a better quarterback So why all the NFL players I talked to that and played against both say that it is So why was Peyton Manning the number one pick? He was more talented than him at the time

But that's not breaking news people be more talented than people down me and I don't matter they won't be Yes at the time so he got worse so Peyton Manning got worse. No time pretty got better That's not breaking news. People be more talented than people that don't mean automatically. They're going to be. Yes, at the time. So he got worse. So Peyton Manning got worse. No, Tom Brady got better. So if he was better. So he told Tom Brady surpassed him at the quarterback position. What you're saying? Yeah. Yes.

OK, he did that by way of championships, by way of playing. He outplayed him. He has more records just as much or more records than he broke Peyton Manning's record. And they was playing in the same time, same era, same conference. And they played head to head. And he played long, Gladon. They played against each other, though. But he played long before the numbers. It don't matter. When they played against each other head to head, one's record is this and one's record is that.

I'm not talking about the record. You said numbers. You said numbers. Numbers. Go look at the numbers when they played. Go look at them. Go look at them. It ain't close. It ain't even fucking close When I look at the all-time touchdown leaders, I see I see Tom Brady's name above Peyton Manny's name In a season or time however you want to break it up nobody

nobody nobody Go ask NFL players, that play is both of us. Go ask NFL players, that play is both of us. They'll tell you bro, what's the difference between the two. Go ask Ray Lewis, go ask Ray Reed, go ask Deshaun Jones, go ask all the guys that play against him. So you're saying that, so out of your mouth, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, the comparison, Tom is better, just a better overall quarterback, regardless of championships. Yeah. And I need the stats from the year that Tom that

Go look at the film. Go look at all of it. When Peyton Manning stopped playing. I played quarterback too. He played quarterback. I found this kind of funny conversation. He was. He's better than him.

Who? He developed it. He got better. He got better than him. He's got massive rings and not like stats. It's not team success. Like, it's not? It's not Belichick.

It's not team success. It's not no's not Bella check. It's not team success Is there a defensive side of the ball? Does it play a factor in the new small fact or a big factor big what does what these defense I'm sorry. It's a big factor. It's a big factor. It's Peyton man. Hey defense We act like the conversation change defense matters. You said, what matters? Nah, because I'm listening to you, I'm listening to him. He's saying something different than you're saying,

so I'm trying to answer both of y'all. So does defense matter in this sport that we're speaking of? Of course defense matters. And when one offense is on the field, is the other offense on the field, or is the defense on the field? We know that. I don't know, I'm asking.

I mean, what's the point of y'all? I mean, we know that already. I'm asking, does it play a factor? Defense plays a factor, it all plays a factor. So it's a team sport. Yes, it's a game of boxing all plays a factor Yes, special teams is there a kicker? Yeah, absolutely. So does Tom Brady do all those things? No, this paid men to do all those things. So they play a factor in those AFC Championship I know and those championships No, I do they play the factor. Oh

You gotta get your kicker into a position to make the kicks though Um, how does winning the dream change or you evaluating the player? You gotta get your kicker into a position to make the kicks though. How does winning a ring change how you evaluate the player? How does what? Winning a ring? Winning a ring change how you evaluate the player. How you evaluate the player. is to me like a scouting report. So I don't think that has a metric

inside of the player evaluation. I'm evaluating talent, skill, all of those things that contribute to the team and where you fit. So it doesn't, no, it doesn't. I don't, when I'm evaluating a player, you evaluate him from the ground up and his capabilities and where he could take you to get to a championship if he has any of that.

And you can see that within the qualities of the evaluation. So yeah, I don't even pay attention to that. I wanna see if he got the grit. I wanna see if he got what it takes, the discipline, the resilience. Can he bounce back? can he take a hit, can he lose, can he come back and win.

I'm looking at that type of shit more than how many championships or all of that. I just want to know the attitude, the mentality. So, Sean, I have a follow-up question to your answer. Certain parties want to know, can Robert Ory sit at the same table with Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan? Hell yeah. You're asking me?

Mm-hm. Well, specifically to ask you this question. How many championships does Robert Ory have? Seven. Yeah, seven. And who he's asking? Can they can, if he can sit at the same table with Kobe and the five and above people.

He has seven. So he can sit at that table and be in the conversation or does he have to sit back and listen? He has seven. But he can be in the conversation. He don't have to just be at the table. He can be actively in the conversation. He has seven.

Okay. He had a game, couple conversation. He has seven. Okay. He had a game, couple game winners. I'm just asking. It wasn't about somebody. I know, I know. He has seven. Not be at the table. Oh, yeah.

He be at the table? You don't dope a dog. No. Smoke in the shit. So Nick, you say yes? Yeah, he can be at the table. So Norris, you say yes or you say no? No. So now we separating our teams.

You can't be like, alright so now what is it? You separating, you separating, man you better than me. So now you better than me. So now I should think about how I pass you the ball when you be asking for it. Right? That screen you need to get open that game. You know that's me you need you know that screen you need it You know that remember that help side you need it That's up in the key to me and when that nigga punched you in your face, and I got on back for you Oh, we're not allowed in the party

As a role player, I can't be at the same table as the dudes that's like the Cairns. You gotta know where you stand. You gotta know. Know where you stand. I gotta just understand that. Can Robert Ory sit at the table with the other niggas that got the championships? So when they look up and they see Robert sitting there you think they're gonna say Bob? You can't see here Bob

Hey Rob, come sit down baby boy. You got stories to tell us about that said Antonio Laker three tell us about that the time y'all beat the Kings Tell us about a bunch of that other shit you did in Houston you played with a king You helped him get some shit to did you? Are you can't sit here Robert? They're not your cassettes true. Did he start Want to go to the Met Gala when you're not invited. Hey, I'm not going. I'm not invited.

So I'm not going. So why are you defending it? As a role player, you can't sit at the table with... Man! You don't want someone to come to the table? It's only for the crims that look grim that's at them tables, bruh. Damn, I don't look up at those tables, bro. That's for Magic, Kobe, you know, that's for them.

That ain't for the, you know, the real important role players. They are important, but they don't get to sit at the table with magic and birdie I don't that just they don't work like that You got the Noble and Tony Parker so Robert already got to sit at the table Tony Parker This is how most people be thinking. This is how people actually think. You're not allowed to fight. You're like, fight only, Pye. You're not allowed to fight. It's a reverse race. I'm like, I got a real point. We talking about basketball.

What table does Scottie Pippen sit at? The same table. Same table. Same table. He get to sit at the same table. Huh? Okay, I'm do that. He first team all NBA and all that.

I think so. I think Scottie sit at the table. Nah, Tony can't sit at the table. Dennis Rodman. Dennis can sit at the table. Big dog. Dennis can sit at the table. What's his name? Microwave. Dennis, Dennis can sit at the table. Dennis can sit at the table. What's his name?

Microwave. Who? Dennis came out the bench with the tour. No. Vinny, nah, I can't sit at the table. Who you talking about? For who? Vinny can't sit at the table.

For Detroit. Vinny can't sit at the table. Vinny, my business only got two. Joe Dumar. Joe Dumar. They only got two. They only got two. Yeah, he don't get to sit in the...

He got two. Now let the... Yeah. He got two. Eagle dollar. Nope. hell no hecky no no Fuck you do not get to say his he do not get to see that Nick that's true Yeah Okay, got to be deserved it what the we got it he got it, okay cool

So we're gonna take it away from we be Listed if we been realistic LeBron James should have got fucking MVP of the final. No, if we've really been realistic We really been realistic LeBron James to got MVP of the finals. They did it before they gave it to a losing team So did it before we back in the day. Yes, they did it before that's because it was white only pie Okay, cool. But this man was the best player in that fucking series by far. No, it wasn't even close He was torching the goudala talking about he's stopping these dog LeBron that that man ever 37 Man what was the original question man? What was the original question? Oh man, that was 37. Man, what was the original question, man? What was the original question? Oh, man, listen.

Oh, goodness, man. How much does ring culture affect how you evaluate players? No, it was that one, but how does winning a ring change how you evaluate your players? How you evaluate players? J. Kidd can't sit. Dirk can't sit. They got their own championship table. They got their own championship.

They got their own one championship table. They got a lot. It's a lot of building. They just say it's going to be a lot of people sitting at the one championship table. But if we talked about great at your position, that's a different conversation. Okay, Mark.

You can't sit at that table. Yeah, it's gonna be like why we can't see here and they gonna be like, well Norris said you underachieved. Right? He said you ain't do enough. You gotta make sure you tell them. You ain't do enough man. You got to do more. More championships. More MVP's.

More niggas. You ain't get enough. I don't have no problem with conversations in context bro. But you say dudes underachieved though. That's all the context we need brother. Yeah. All the context we need. I said we need to dudes underachieve though

Just all the context we need brother. Yeah I said what I said if y'all got a problem we can have a conversation about it. We are We are having a conversation You and Steven a stance on this underachievement man. It's kind of wow. That's crazy They're efficient so we got a follow-up question do you think hey motherfuckers should have came to work We got a follow-up question he see all this cooking I'm cooking it. Do you think like, God damn it. I miss this shit. God damn it, it was Riverdale. So do you think Kobe would allow Robert Urie to sit at the table with Alan Iverson, Dirk Cage.

Man, I love Robert Urie. Like that. I know he wouldn't allow stupid ass questions like this. Right? Throw that shit. I love Winning. He said next question. Winners sit at the table with him.

Who the hell asked that in the back? Right? Shut him out. He love Winning, bruh. Well, one thing for sure, man. On this hell asked that in the back? Shut him out. He love winning, bruh. Well, one thing for sure, man, on this show, we give players their flowers all the time, man. With or without a ring, you know what I'm saying? Dudes hold they own, they're well respected.

It don't take away what guys did for their careers. Guys went out there, man, worked their ass off, blood, sweat, and tears, sacrificed family time, all kind of shit, right? For this, and... You right about that. Motherfuckin' ass fly. And they can't get a pick.

Motherfuckin' pick ass fly. Yeah, nah, but dudes, man, it's a lot of players who did it, man, later on on the line that weren't able to win one, you know what I'm sayin'? But on this show, we make sure that we get them players their flowers, man, so. Shout out to the kids. Can't sit here.

You can't sit here. You can't sit here can't sit here can't sit here seats taken seats taken okay Nick can't sit here we're gonna make our own corner niggas shit we got to

he's not invited bro we don't even know who the real corner niggas is no one's gonna be motherfuckin thumbin it no Hey, wait, he's not invited. Well, we don't even know who the real No, it's gonna be more for the thumb in it. No Niggas You've been using soap You've been using soap in the big house Who let this underachiever in here Oh my lord Who let this first bout of underachiever in here How dare you

How dare you let him wear the sneakers in the house He got a His signature shoe on You let him in here How dare you let that underachiever in here He had a tie How you let him learn how to tie a tie? You underachiever, you company nigger. Steven, my boy.

Sleep in the contents. Steven, my boy. I'm Cassie's great. Everybody you name is great. So he going to sleep in the big house? In the big house? She let you ready to burn the matches, the bed, she's the house.

He going to sit at the table? I knew it was something about that nigger over Hey, I knew it was something about that, nigga. I knew it was something about you. That nigga in the house. So, who are some of your favorite players that did not win a ring? T-Mac. Aon T-Mac was my favorite players.

That didn't win one. That did not win a ring? Yep. Aon T-Mac was my favorites. Say that again? Aon T-Mac. Some of the popper ones? Mine was like Gary Payne, Sean Kemp. I was a Sonic fan going up. Gary Payne won.

Oh, he did win one. But that ain't his... I'm talking about, you know, man. Well, I'll just say T-Mac. T-Mac and Aon, they was my two favorite players for a while. Yeah, T-Mac for sure. Who wouldn't Mac my two favorite players for a while. T-Mac, for sure. Wasn't Mac on that San Antonio team that got that? Right, that's what I'm thinking.

He was on the roster early in the season, right? He got it. He got it, Chip. He joined at the end. He joined at the end. That team didn't win it, right? We beat them that year. I got you. Okay. What was the question again?

Favorite player to never win a ring? Penny Hardaway? Nah, he gotta be AI. He gotta be AI. Chuck definitely up there, man. He's my favorite player forever. Carmelo? Yeah, that mean, yeah, he went one, yeah, we had a... I'm gonna go Chuck.

I'm gonna go Chuck, man. Patrick Union? Yeah, that's, yeah, that's, yeah, definitely. We know Steve. Time, yeah, time for my favorite segment. Mostly fans. Mostly fans. Mostly fans. Mostly fans. We asked y'all to drop a question in the chat to mostlyfans at gmail.com and here are some of the best ones underdog user oh quad 21

quad 21 um yes jesus what basketball moment had you in awe while you were in on the court what basketball moment had you in awe while you're on the court What basketball moment had you in awe while you were on the court? LeBron in Boston. Oh, okay. LeBron in Boston when we was down, when we had to go back to Boston. It was down 3-2. That I was there, talking about being there live, that was...

I wouldn't have me in awe, like... Yeah, you were on the court, so yeah, you were. Yes. Nick? Um probably Kobe 60 his last game. Hmm on the way out the door. Yeah that was amazing bro. Shot.

What game was that that was the game J.R. and Melo was, did they go off on the same game? When Melo had like 60 Endeavor and J.R. had all them threes, he had like 10 threes. I'm thinking that both of that was against us. At Endeavor. J.R. had like 10 threes and then Melo was going crazy against us. I think it was the craziest shit I've ever seen. Like, JR was going crazy. JR was going crazy, bro. Everything he threw, we was playing zone for some crazy reason. Did you see that? Bus family entered into agreement to sell majority ownership of the Lakers to Mark Walters, CEO.

How much? That number gotta be crazy. The Lakers just sold. And Brian Ghosn. Entered into an agreement to sell majority ownership. Majority? That's why he in Miami right now. Luca's going too. He ain't giving me that extension.

Luca out too. It's gonna be a big mix up shit show. No, Luca's staying. Luca's staying, man. That's the only reason. Yeah, they need somebody to build it. That's the only way they get their money back. They don't get your money back with what? Mix it up. So next question from Black Shadow 74, user name Black Shadow 74.

Busted all that shit. So 06 Shaq in Miami versus 09 Kobe and the Lakers. Who wins and why? 06 Shaq Miami team versus 09 Lakers team. Who would win and why. 06 Shaq Miami team versus 09 Lakers team who would win and why? Lakers. I got the Lakers. I got the Lakers. 09 more polished Bynum, polished POW, OG Lamar in full throttle, Kobe ready to go. Man. And he didn't have nobody over there that was going to stop.

That was Meta too, right? Meta? Yeah, Meta too. That's 2009, 2010? Yep, against the 2016. So that was D-Wade, Shaq, Lonzo, Haslam, Posey, J-Will, Walker, Antoine Walker Who was the shooting girl? That was a young Wade though

Yeah, what's young Wade? That was one of the best performances ever Yeah, that's go get that's go get Falck of D-Wade, but this is Cobb Yeah, this is Cobb This is Cobb, this is Kobe. This is Kobe. This is Kobe. This is Powell. This is Kobe. This is Powell. And this is Bynum. Bynum. This is Bynum doing all kind of Bynum shit. Come on man. And Lamar full court dribbling that bitch. Bro, it's a lot out there. Hey, Derrick Fish. Was that Derrick?

Yeah, it was Derrick. Bro, Derrick Fish. Automatic. Automatic. Oh no, that wasn't Trevor. That wasn't Shannon. I'm going to go with the other team. So I'm going to go with the Heat. I think Shaq and D-Wing. Cause that old night, cause that team that y'all mentioned got fucking lucky. Huh?

Because the Denver Nuggets team threw the ball away twice on out of bounds play. So, man, but they. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no Huh? Because the Denver Nuggets team threw the ball away twice on out of bounds play. So. But they went twice. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. So they can't get lucky anymore. But that, the second time, I'm not saying the 2008, 2009, 2010 team is what I'm talking about. Y'all have a good-

The second year is cool. What you saying? They not, they wasn't good enough? No, they wasn't good enough. So you saying y'all would have lost to Miami then? No. What you saying? You just said they got lucky.

But I tell you, I like- Here's the Miami, here's the Miami. I like my team against the Lakers. We threw the ball away to us. But you said Miami would beat them so they would beat y'all too. No. No, they picked these two teams. So I'm picking the heat. Shaq. In this conversation. This is a team.

In this conversation I'm picking the heat. D-Wade, Jason Williams, Matt Walsh, Antoine Walker, James Posey, Gary Payton, Shaq, Alonzo, Jason Capono, Haslam, Shannon Anderson, Derrick Anderson, Darrell Wright, Wayne Simeon. Heat Team can beat them. I think it'd be seven games. No way. They would get killed. No way.

Everybody in the West that year. Against the 0-9? The 0-9 Lakers? They beat the Mavericks. They beat the Mavericks. They beat the western best team. 2009 Lakers? 2009? That year. That team was nice.

Think about it. They were a different team though. They got all those teams in the west that year. Shack D. Think about it. They were a different team though. Huh? Shackity Wade. They got all those teams in the West that year. Shackity Wade with J. Will and them. They've been a nice series. Look at Lucky. Nigga, man. See, they don't have series like that, no.

That shit was crazy. I'm going with Miami. All right, Shannon Brown, Kobe, Andrew Bynum, Jordan Farmer, Derrick Fisher, Paul Cassar, Adam Morrison, Lamar Odom, Sasha Vuitches, Luke Walker, Metal World Peace, Josh Powell. Yeah, get them out of there. Yep, sound good.

All right, thanks for everyone. Listen, man, it's been a great... Good shit, brother. Appreciate you gentlemen, man, for coming in, man, and being professional today. Some of y'all. Some of y'all. You look like a respectable man, man. Some of y'all.

You seem like a sensible man today, man. Got the salmon on. for coming in and being professional today. Some of y'all. Some of y'all. Some of y'all. Some of y'all. You seem like a sensible man today, man. Got the salmon on, looking good. I'm proud of you, man. For real though. I have to take a break.

And that's the show, man. Thanks, everybody, for watching. That's another episode of Gills Arena, presented by Underdog. Hold on. You done changed a lot, man. What happened? You done changed.

I got shit to do. Man. You done changed, man. All right. Thanks for everyone for watching. It's been another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog. Woof woof. Woof woof.

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