Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Debates If NBA Hoopers Can PLAY In The NFL

Episode Date: September 3, 2024

Gil's Arena If NBA Hoopers Can PLAY In The NFL welcome the 3 time All Pro Gerald McCoy into the arena to preview the upcoming NFL season and defend the NFL from the NBA & the Crew's idea that Hoopers could easily dominate the NFL if they were able to suit up on the gridiron. Finally, No Chill Gil & The Gil's Arena Crew react to the 4th and final meeting between Caitlin Clark & Angel Reese where CC might've been the first player to receive a standing ovation from the opposing team's fans. This show stopping performance sparks a debate if Caitlin is the most hyped rookie since LeBron James and a conversation over if she sealed up the rookie of the year award with her post olympics surge or if we're all still slipping on Angel Reese. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Gerald McCoy, Rashad McCants & Kenyon Martin Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A Special Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro -0:00:03 Show Start 0:01:58 Hoopers Can Play In The NFL Debate Reignited 0:09:24 Does Heckling Help or Hurt Your Game? 1:11:53 Gil Details His Scary Encounter With Irv Gotti 1:21:52 The Difference in NBA & NFL Media 1:28:27 Gil Responds To Mark Aguirre Calling Him Out 2:06:03 MostlyFans 2:29:17 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We are back. Labor Day is over. NFL is kicking off on Thursday. We are still doing shows. As always, we've got the legend Gilbert Renis here with us. What's up with you, Gil? Good weekend. About to change history with my takes. Mike Vick,

best quarterback that ever lived. No, y'all are supposed to agree with that. Someone, someone, someone debate that. Had he studied? Absolutely. Hey, not quite.

Had he studied his book? I agree with you. You become an analyst, you just automatically become an expert, right? That's the criteria. That's the criteria. We're going to find out.

We got Kenya Martin back here with us. What's up, Kenya Martin? What's happening, Jack? We got Cemetery Larry,. We got Kenya Martin back here with us. What's up, K-Mart? What's up? We got Cemetery Larry Rashad McKenzie back on the couch. With the thinking cap on. Black Tim Energy. Is Black Tim Energy today?

Y'all a little delayed back there. You know, Labor Day. Labor Day got the best of all of us. All good. And since we are merging into football, we got a very special guest making his first appearance in the arena. He was an All-American out of Oklahoma, went on to become the third overall pick by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

in the 2010 NFL Draft. Three-time All-Pro selection, 1-2-3, and six-tire Pro Bowler, finished his career with 59 1⁄2 quarterback sacks. Now you can catch him analyzing all things football on NFL Network, but he likes hoops too. Just not as much as football. Gerald McCoy, welcome to Gerald's Arena.

Appreciate it. You get the smoke, you get the full. Appreciate it. We appreciate you pulling up, man. We know you have some things on your mind you wanted to discuss. Oh, yeah, we got some stuff to talk about. We got some things to get into Oh the chat already gave him a nickname. You know how bad you gotta be man to be picked top five defense player man You know what I'm saying? You gotta be a bad motherfucker man. I appreciate that K-Mart. Hey man bad listen dawg

Calling you the freight train T-Pain or Gerald Levert All that. I'll take all of them I'll take all of them. Oh, the chat's already? It's a game combo. Chat's already? Hey, call me what you want, just don't call me broke. No, I'm kidding. Teddy Pendergrass.

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but will the Chiefs be the first team to three-peat in the Super Bowl era? Kaitlyn Clark has helped lead the Fever to their most wins since 2016 while setting numerous on-court and viewership records. But does she have the most hype of any rookie in the modern basketball era, male or female, we are going to discuss. And there's a lot of talk about aura nowadays, but which NBA stars have the most aura in the past 25 years? We got a bunch of basketball legends on this couch

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That's a Dallas cut. You ain't getting nowhere. Number two. Yeah. Let me hear it. My bad, Joe. Again, we are a free-flowing show. We do what we want here.

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Like the fans who are like real fans but the outsiders, I ain't... Oh, no. I'm a realist with them some bitches. Yeah, yeah, of course. And it's tough.

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six-time Pro Bowler, three-time All-Pro, very knowledgeable football expert. So a few months ago, Awesome Rivers had football players feeling some type of way when he made an appearance on the Pat McAfee Show and made this bold claim. We're the best athletes in the world are. That's us.

I can take 30 players right now in the NBA and throw them in the NFL. You cannot take 30 NFL players and best athletes in the world are. That's us. I can take 30 players right now in the NBA and throw them in the NFL. You cannot take 30 NFL players and put them in the NBA. Whoa. Five on the court. Let's just all relax. You get a break every play. All you have to do is catch the ball and run north or south.

It ain't a compliment. Our sport's better. Our sport's better because we would just create a position for one of you 5'2", 40, running, 6'10", guys. And just put them, you know, can't get hit much. But he says it, though. That's the only thing. He says it.

He said the sport is better because he can take NBA players and train them just for that position. Yeah. So it kind of, it kind of helps the argument. Listen, all we got to be able to do is kick the ball like him. Okay? He's a kicker. We kick the ball. We got a position.

Hold up. Let me stop you there. We got a position. We don't need to get hit by nobody. Let me stop you there. We don't need to run a 40. We don't need to bench a million. We just kick the ball, Pat. We just kick it. One, three phases to run 40. We don't need to bench. You don't need a million. Just kick the ball Pat

one Three phases to the game off his defense pressure. Yes, special teams can make or break your team Tom Brady won his first three Super Bowls because of a wood Adam military if he misses is he just a kicker or do they hate it? He's just I want to talk about him I'm talking about the punter. I'm talking about the punter. I'm talking about the punter. I'm just talking about the punter. They're two different. Those are two.

Listen, he's not going to corner me. I'm a good punter. If you punt the ball and you don't flip the field, you put your defense in a horrible spot. So you have to have the right type of punter. And the best punters can put the ball in a horrible spot. True. So you have to have the right type of punter and the best punters can put the ball in a certain spot. What I don't like is

Austin Rivers, a basic athlete, speaking for the better athletes. Okay. He's saying... Basic athlete. Yeah, he's a basic athlete. What's basic?

Okay, athlete... I give you that. Oh, listen. He's not... I give him that. The basic athlete... I give him that. Before I go, before I him that. The basic athlete. I give him that. Before I say what I'm going to say,

I'm a big advocate of other professional sports not saying they can play other professional sports. I respect what I do and what y'all do way too much to say that we can come over there or y'all can come over here because I know what it takes to play my sport, but I don't know what it takes to play y'all's sport. So here's how I put it. Football players are the best athletes.

Basketball players are the most skilled. Okay. What y'all do takes extreme, extreme skill. See, I disagree with you in that manner. Me too. Me too. Uh-oh. No, no, no you in that manner. Me too. No, no, no, because the athlete, like, you guys, because you guys are shorter and you guys get measured in a 40-inch vertical,

your arms are shorter, your legs are shorter, but you can jump high. Okay, cool. I'm 6'9", and I still had a 40-inch vertical. You know what I'm saying? Athleticism is different. Athleticism, it's like, so, to say that you guys are better athletes. You had a 40 inch vertical, you had to do your job wearing what? What? What you mean? But when they testing y'all vertical, what are you wearing? No, I'm wearing the same thing. Exactly. Okay. But when you test the vertical, it doesn't, so it's not the same thing as jumping with the pads on. It is. After you test it, you can go do your same job in the same thing you was wearing. Absolutely.

We can't do that. So therefore, bringing the more athletic part into play? Because you guys get tested with nothing on, right? Yeah, but that is, when we go to combine, it's to see if the tape matches, if the tape matches what we're seeing. Yeah. Okay? If the tape matches what we're seeing.

Some people 40 times don't match how fast they play football. Exactly. Like mine. Right, yeah. I didn't run a fast 40. But you play football in spurts, fast, right? So my thing is, the positions that we're speaking of, the athletic part of it, we can go play those tomorrow.

We can't do what you do. Wait, you talking about what position you talking about? The skill position. The skills position. The football. Right? Quarterback.

Why? Running back. Because those positions not required us to be brutally strong. Right? But it requires you to have a certain type of pitch. So we can run.

We can do that. So I can run here and cut here and cut here. Okay. It's like a crossover. Right? It's like a crossover, crossover. Spin move. But that's just moving.

I can run and stop. That's just moving. And get to a position. You know what else requires that? Hmm? When you doing that. Guess what? There's also people trying to kill you.

But not only that. And guess what I got on my side. But not only that, but now, what's on your side? Size. What does that mean? I'm playing receiver. What is a D? Have you? What is? But not only that. That's what I got on my side. But not only that, but now, what's on your side? Size. What does that mean? I'm playing receiver. What is the DB? Have you?

What is the DB not doing? What is the DB going to do? You put me out wide and we're one-on-one. What is he going to do? And you throw the ball up. He can lock you up. What is he going to do?

But the ball is up here. You got to get there first. I can get the, I'm just as strong. He ain't going to stop me getting off the line. Why? He's not.

Why? He's not going to stop me getting off the line. I played football before, brother. Listen, you ain't talking to stop me getting off the line. Why? He's not. Why? He's not going to stop me getting off the line. I played football before, brother. Listen, you ain't talking about me doing this. But have you played football at our level?

There's a lot of basketball players We can go on the outside. There's a lot of basketball players that have played in high school that have played in college. But have they played at your level? Your level.

Your level. That's the conversation that we have. The skill positions, I feel we can go play there. Why? Because we came in playing football that's the thing that we all play we know but in those what changes okay at the letter you got the

forms in the playing those skills got your foundation right your foundation okay yeah just talk from right pop pop Warner right as you go up, the things that change is the terminology and the skill set. Mm-hmm. The brute athleticism. That changes as you get to the higher level.

Yeah. When you know how to play football, you know how it goes in the locker room. You know how all this shit goes. Yeah. When we can go out there and we can go line up with a receiver

knowing that, all right, we know he's going to try to take my inside away. I know where I got to go to get off him. I know how to get him off me. How do you know that?

Because I've done it before. If you've done it in high school. You've done it at the NFL level. I know, because it's different. How many people have we seen be great in college, can't do it at the pro level? Same as basketball. Same as basketball. But that's what I'm saying.

Y'all can't just, if we have people. So let me ask you this. What 30 players, just for his argument, right? Right, right, right. Name me 30 guys that you can take off of NFL field tomorrow and that could be effective. Yeah. That's what I mean.

The word I use is effective, right? The word I use is effective. Yeah, right. I never said that... I don't believe that we... Like, I have teammates and buddies and homies that say we can't. I say we can't. I said, you saying we can't lets me know you never said courtside at an NBA game.

Thinking you are because I'm a football player. Oh, we bigger, stronger. I don't think they understand how athletic one, strong, physical, how quick and the skill of playing the NBA game is. Setting them picks, coming off, getting rebounds, moving here. I've seen where Vince is one of my close friends. And he taught me

when you come to that corner how you can't have your feet flat because you step out of bounds. Like landing on your toes, being able to shoot the three the right way. All that stuff. I have teammates in the locker room be like, oh, I can do a Ben Simmons. I can go get more than Ben Simmons.

I'm like, shut up, man. Stop lying. You can't do that. But a guy like Miles Garrett can. Why? But what makes you think that? Who? Miles Garrett can do what? He can go into an NBA game and be effective.

No, Miles, see, that's what I'm saying. Not a fucking chance. No, he can. I believe so. Miles Garrett, okay, here's all I, all the NFL players. I watched him play basketball. All the NFL players. He has to play now.

If we have enough training, you know what we can do? Try and play defense. Set some screens. Set some screens. That is it. Okay. Y'all are entirely too skilled

that I don't think people understand how far that goal is away. The rim, put man that. No, we cannot. And I feel the same over here.

In their circumstance, we definitely can't do most of the shit that y'all do. But here's another thing. Let me throw a little caveat there. I know there's some

football players that disagree with you. Because it's like if you can't play, if you can't hoop, you can't say to everybody else that plays football, can't hoop. Oh, but we're talking about at the highest of levels. Yeah, even the highest of levels. I know football niggas that can hoop with us, but they're not NBA niggas. The argument is you have to break it down to its basic point.

The basic point is you can't take the NFL players that know how to play basketball. You can't take the basketball players who know how to play football. If you start from scratch, you pick 10 basketball players, 30 basketball players, and you train them for one whole year.

And you take 30 football players and train them for one whole year, which group translate better? That's the only, that's the argument. Okay. That's crazy. If you, you can take all the 40 inch verticals, the fast twitch verticals, and then you say, all right, I'm going to train you guys for a year and put you in positions. How would they fare off versus we taking the 30 football players and then we train them skill-wise. Who translate in the sport? Here's the caveat for me.

Everything y'all do skill-wise, you can go do wearing that. You don't have to put on cleats. Your cleats have to fit a certain way. You have to put on carbon fiber, which we call shoulder pads, and your vision has to be restricted. Call that a helmet. Absolutely. That changes everything.

True. That changes everything. Absolutely. That's the separation. You know what else changes everything? The elements. If you get, well, you leaving the hotel, if you walk outside like, God dang, it's cold. Oh, that's one of the reasons I stopped playing.

I'm going to put on the coat. You walk out, like, god dang, it's cold. Oh, that's one of the reasons I stopped playing. I'm going to put on the coat. You walk out. Use where you play. It's get cold there, right? You walk outside, you're like, shoot, put this coat on. Get in this car. I'm getting this arena. Hey, hey, turn that heat on.

Yeah. You're in a controlled climate. If I go to Green Bay and it's snowing, they don't care. I still have to go do my job at the highest level with a snowstorm coming through. As long as it's not lightning, they don't want to hear it. That's the separation. That's where everything changes.

That's why I say we have to take out the athleticism. We got to take out skill-wise what y'all do, y'all are the most skilled, period. You can argue baseball because of the, you know, it's hard to hit a baseball and golf But what y'all do is a whole skill wide, but when you add a helmet shoulder pads changes everything in the elements the elements change everything So what's the difference between that and the hockey player there? Just where still in the controlled environments inside and they still got the helmets and the shoulder pads and all that stuff.

But it's in the same environment. So that doesn't give y'all an advantage, though, in the game of sports, right? Nothing changes for them. It don't rain in there. So how is weather? In hockey, when you walk in there, you know it's cold. Is weather a skill then? No.

Is being able to play in weather? You have to be able to do your job in this weather regardless of the element. Is that a skill? If you were the wide receiver and it's raining, how do you catch the ball? Tell me what you wear. What I wear to catch the ball? What equipment do you wear? What do most wide receivers wear?

I would hope dry fit. No I'm saying like your gear, gloves, all that. What is it you can teach? But what I'm- My thing is mine is different from yours. They ain't wearing nothing that retains water. What I'm saying is thing is, mine is different from yours. They ain't wearing nothing that retains water. What I'm saying is,

you take my raw frame. You know what I'm saying? Right. My raw frame, my speed, my jumping ability. They ain't wearing nothing that retains water.

Right? And you worked with me for a year. Right. Right? That's not long enough. And they probably don't wear gloves

on these days. Two years. That's not long enough. Three years. That's not long enough. Because what you have to do, what you're doing, so y'all five.

See, I disagree with that. Yeah, for sure. Okay, let me hear you. I got 11 players that are all doing something different. I understand y'all got to be on the same accord. Everybody got to be on the same accord. So I could teach you to be a wide receiver all day. Yeah.

Right? But if you ain't on the same page as your quarterback and you go out there and you running this because I'm trying to do this, the time is off No, but then you have to you have to be able you have to be able but he's saying his skill said not this You're not talking about that. I'm not What you bought it, but you able to there's a dumb these blocks on what we understand but right now come to the

Quarterback to but and if you give me two years I got a year with Peyton Manning But it is I'm gonna get it halfway over the skills who that they hear you seen pros that do it They can't do that. So that's the difference in skill set if you're a good pro you can do that If you're a good pro and you've been doing it long enough You know how to run a route when Peyton Manning is throwing a route to you if you ain't used to Peyton You're not gonna look as good just like niggas throwing Aaronning's throwing a route to you. If you ain't used to Peyton, you're not going to look as good. Just like Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball to certain guys. They didn't know he threw that damn hard.

You're not used to it, so you got to get used to that. Okay. And why is it... So we're just talking about fucking running, jumping, right? That's athleticism, right? So that's what we're speaking about right here. This is the conversation that this was, right? There's a lot of people who can run and jump. So that's what we're speaking about right here. Like, this is the conversation that was this one, right?

We're speaking on how fast you can run. If you are forced to take 30 NBA players and train, that's what I'm saying, you train them the same amount of time, which one translates easier? You have to do it. To be effective. But you have to do it. You have to take it.

You're saying to be effective. To be effective. To be effective. Because you have to do it. You're saying to be effective. To be effective. Because you have to. That's the kind of like me. I would take. I can put you out there. You can be number 53. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right. I can be on the team. I can be number 53. You're talking about like actually playing. You're putting us in position to be effective.

If you have to grade them like this. And that's why I say the skill position. Right. Right. And that's why I said the skill position to be effective. If you have to grade them. And that's why I say the skill position. And that's why I say the skill position. We have maybe three guys in our game that can play running back. Maybe three guys because of what that requires. In the trenches, maybe.

There's guys that can. Maybe. You have to like, we're letting you pick. You get to pick the DB. You get get to say all right ant man i'm gonna take you i'm gonna put you somewhere i'm gonna say all right westbrook yep okay lebron because there's jimmy butler there's only and those are skilled positions you get to pick them and say put them somewhere train them for a year and yeah how would they fare versus I go in and I say, all right, I'm going to take Ramsey, I'm going to take these guys

and make them positions in our game. Right. Who goes better? Like, you can put me to 235 just lifting weights, and I can absorb some of that contact. To me, shooting the basketball Shooting a basketball is equivalent to catching a pass Okay at the highest level well technically no it's not it would be equivalent to throwing a pass no no no no no

No, because of the wrists. No the reason the wrist and accurate about I'm talking about as Far as so shooting a basketball, whether you open or not, you know, you got to gauge it, whatever. But if you're in the middle of the field with somebody trying to kill you, catching that ball is easy when there ain't nobody on you. Okay. Catching it when people, you got to catch it in the, that's what I'm saying. Okay, because it's contested.

Yeah. See, we have to do the same thing. See, we have to catch balls, too, because they're coming fast, and our hands are. I knew this was coming. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah, my bad. to do the same thing. See we have to catch balls too because they're coming fast and our hands are... I knew that was coming. Oh shit. It's okay, girl. I think for the most part, like at our size, our hands are naturally bigger.

Because we have to catch them bigger. Yeah. Whoa. I know, I know. Two in a row. That's why talking about balls just hurts the conversation. That was three. That was three. That was three.

That was three. You went right into number three. Like, you have to put weight on us, right? Right. Which is easier than me taking weight off you than training you to shoot the ball. Yeah. Right? So for the most part, I'm going to take a bunch of guys.

Like, I can take Garrett. I can take Garrett and say, with your raw jumping ability, you have decent dribbling, I can make you effective. I can make you skill. I can take any receiver and give them... They can play defense. No, I can... Because they already have the fast

push. They already have the fast push to move. They started from scratch, though. A receiver from scratch that knows how to can give you... Are you saying that Scott's a receiver from scratch that knows how to make moves like a Chad Johnson? Like, when you show up to the combine, when you show up to the combine and measure everybody out, you take 30 guys. But you just gauged in his athleticism.

Yeah, no, no. But now the skill has to come in. No, a wide receiver naturally has foot skill. Yeah, which is the basketball skill. Which was the basketball. So I can take a Chad and say... Does genetics matter as far as like height and stuff?

No, because it's not a skill. No, it's not a skill. That's a talent. It has to matter, right? No, I can... But it's important. It's important. Talent matters,

but it's not as a skill. Like Deshaun Jackson, one of the baddest motherfuckers is, he's 5'11". Fast as fuck. Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill, 5'6". Ty". Fast as fuck. Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill is out, right?

Yeah. Chad Ocho. He's not the fastest. I take Metcalf. Ocho's not going to be in there. But you can take Metcalf. But what I'm saying is I can put them and say, all right, you already have the most important thing. That's the footwork.

Yep. So I can say, all right give i can work on your ball from there you're great you can be nice yes right if i can give you this and he already got he already yeah and he already got this he already got it yeah he already he don't need too much he just need to know how to do it all i gotta do is get one by you that's it that's it that's it show him we show him the first step and he he's going to be like, oh, shit. That's all I got to do? I can take all your receivers and then put them through all kind of foot drill in a week.

They would be hands down better than NBA players. Bro, because they already do this. Because you already have your soccer foot already nice. But all of these guys who you see people average 30, 25, all this, they can't play in the NBA. They can't get there and stay there. So how can you take a football player that this is what he does and he can come over here and do it?

But we're not saying he's going to average 20. We're not saying, like, not. Because there's so many certain guys in the trenches. Okay, and you defy what be effective means. So it's only certain guys in the trenches that I feel, because of the size of certain guys. Being effective is having an impact. Grant Williams?

Having an impact. Being effective for the... We have heard Grant Williams come over there. I can make Garrett like a Grant Williams. Better person than that. Yes, that's effective. Going to get a key offensive rebound, get in there, set a screen. That's what I just said we could do, though. No. That's that's effective. Going to get a key offensive rebound, get in there, set a screen.

That's what I just said we could do, though. No. That's what I said. I said we could rebound. But that's being effective. You got players that, like, so for a guard, one, two, three, having the footwork is the most important. So when you think about the Rosen footwork,

you're talking about James Hart, you're talking about Luka, their feet is the most important part right this is the illusion but knowing how to play this yeah that's naturally football players yes you guys i just got to slow you down yeah right right you know like don't overshoot the goddamn layup i just got to slow you down and teach you how to place your feet on how to make it but if if you put us through a ladder drill, you're blowing us out of the water. Absolutely. Because you know how to twist your hip faster. So giving you like little twitch moves, that's where De'Aaron Fox come in. So I can spot somebody who plays football in the NBA.

You move different. Lou Dort. Lou Dort is a football athlete. I feel like we're two completely different athletes. Not the stoic one. I'm talking about the ones who really just got it. Anytime y'all play basketball, at the high school all the way through,

anytime you came into the gym, you know, oh, that dude plays football. Yes. He play everything. He's overly aggressive. You can just tell how he's doing. Not those ones. But even if he's not no no no no but even if he's nice right even if you can tell even the football players that's nice at basketball

when they go who you always still know that the fucking football player no not not not at that level where they they perfected that that that robotic move yeah he got away from that yeah i'm talking about i'm talking about the smooth ones. Like, they played football all the way from Pop Warner High School. They played dual sports. Yeah. So, they played basketball. They're twitching just...

They're at a whole nother level. Just take AI, for instance. The way they... They're closing. They're closing and passing through things. Hell, yeah. And when they get the ball and they... Everything is strong as fuck.

Oh, shit. Well, that's our game, though. Like, just take AI., for instance, right? Like, A.I. He played a skilled position in high school. Yeah. Right? Played quarterback. Yeah.

Long, athletic, fast. That shit... His stature in high school, he still was small. Yeah. Ain't saying he could have played NFL quarterback because of his stature, right? Right. Didn't nobody do it before fucking Doug Flutie.

Yeah. That small, that was... Yeah. Right? That stature, right? Right. Didn't nobody do it before fucking Doug Flutie. Yeah. That small that was... Yeah. Right? That was effective. Yeah. Right. Chuck had that fluidity, though.

But it was the athleticism that allowed him to be here in high school, right? That's it. In both sports. I ain't saying he could have did it in the NFL. Right. By any stretch of imagination because he was small as fuck. But he was pretty damn good at both at that age. Because athleticism translated from football into basketball.

But if you go back and watch Iverson, a lot of what made him him was open field stuff. He could run and get first downs and all that. But then you have the Superman version of him in Michael Vick. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Like, God damn, I thought I was fast and good. you have the Superman version of him and Michael Vick. You know what I'm saying? You have the Superman version of him, but even Vick, when he got to a higher level, now everything starts to change.

Because as you get older, the skill set and how good people are at the game starts to change. And that's why you see people saying, like, Travis Hunter. They're saying, oh, he could be a corner, he could be a wide. And that's why everybody that's in the league right now is saying,

no, he cannot. You've got to pick a side, right? Pick a side. Which one? Because what you get, I would put him at corner. Corner. He don't run great routes. He's not a great route runner. Yeah, he'd put him at corner.

Right now, he's out athleticizing people, and he's just catching the ball over a bunch of people that can't defend him. At the next level, you have to be able to run these routes and get open. What he's better suited for right now is being a DB, being a corner. But if you were Travis Hunter,

which one would you be knowing the bread difference between a cornerback or a wide receiver? If I'm trying to make money? I mean, wide receiver's going to make more money, but for? If I'm trying to make money? I mean, wide receiver's gonna make more money. But for him... I'm staying in college another fucking two years. For him, if he wants to have a longer career,

to me, I think he should be a DB. Okay. I think he should be a DB. Now... Your shelf life is... What's stopping him from playing both? Can't. It's physically impossible.

I don't know what that word means. I'm just asking y'all. Like, give me some logistics of what's stopping him from playing both? Can't. It's physically impossible. I don't know what that word means. I'm just asking y'all. Give me some logistics of what's stopping him. You can't play both, bro. Give me... It's time in the back that y'all don't believe it. It's time in the back that y'all don't believe it. Give me the logistics of why he can't do it.

Okay, so you have to... Is it because no one's ever done it before? No, it's because you can't do it. It's because no one's ever done it before. Okay, so you have to be able to get open on Jalen Ramsey and then go guard Tyreek Hill. All game. Never been done before.

Wait, was Deion on offense, Andy? No, Deion did. No, no, no, he played both. He played both. No, he didn't play both. He had plays on offense. He didn't play both. He didn't play both.

They put him out there to motherfucking run the street. He had plays on offense. They run a motherfucking reverse for Deion. Deion definitely was on for a secret. They ran a reverse for Deion. And then they played. He was a corner. And motherfucking run the street. He had plays. They run a motherfucking reverse for Deion. They ran a reverse for Deion. And then they played. He was a corner. And then he guarded the nigga. He was a cornerback.

It wasn't consistent, but he did it. He jumped in the helicopter and go places. He got in at wide receiver. Champ Bailey got in at wide receiver. Champ Bailey said he prefers to play corner. Why can't Travis do it? I just said it. Why can't Travis do it?

He can't do it. Why can't Travis do it? I just said it. Why can't Travis do it? Why can't Travis do it? Champ Bailey, Champ Bailey, one of the greatest DPs we've ever seen, said, I would get in on offense, but I could not play both. Travis Hunter raises his hand. He's not better than Champ Bailey. Travis Hunter is not his coach.

He'll say coach. So we go serious and say Travis Hunter is Deion Sanders? Let me try it. No. That's what I'm going to ask you. One of the greatest athletes we've ever seen ever. Push the limit, young fella. If you push the limit, ain't no limit.

They're not going to let him. If you had to create. They're not going to let him. I'm going to let him. Because you don't own an NFL team. Like you know how we have LeBron James, right? You're not drafted. If you had to create a body type that could do it, that can play, be effective on both

sides of the ball, right? And really be effective. Like, he is in college. What type of body would that look like? Deion Sanders. How tall was Deion Sanders? Deion didn't have that type of, like, athletic. He wasn't a LeBron James type. Deion about six feet, 6'1". 6'1". Something like that. How tall was Deion Sanders? Deion didn't have that type of, like, athletic. He wasn't a LeBron James type.

Deion about six feet, 6'1". 6'1". Something like that. How tall is Metcalf? 6'4". 6'4". 6'4", 230. He'd be a linebacker.

If he was... Yeah, he could be a linebacker. He can't be no DB. He'd be a linebacker on safety. He'd be a linebacker on safety, yeah. He'd be a linebacker on safety because he... Would he be just naturally good at that? Yes.

Yes, he could. Because he could track the ball. You got all game. That's an all game. Tracking the ball. All game. He do that all game. Because he's good at that? Yes. He could. Because he could track the ball. All game. All game. He'd do that all game. Because he's good at tracking the ball. Oh, it's too much. Safety, he's good at tracking the ball, right?

It's too much. I mean, it seems like no one. Well, he's got to be in safe. That's what I was like. Do we got to be in a certain type of shape? We're not talking. You have to have that. You have to have the body first to be able to absorb this and give hits.

Yeah. I don't know. In today's game, DK Metcalf is probably the only person that fits. I mean, though, it was last year, right? Yeah, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Them hits and stuff, y'all know. Yeah.

They know what we play through. Oh, yeah. So you pushing through trying to be a receiver. Now, imagine having these same injuries we have. Now you're trying to flip and go push through being a DB. You can get away with certain stuff at receiver that you can't get away because... Having that injury.

At receiver, you're running as fast as you can that way. Mm-hmm. At DB, you have to run as fast as you can that way. With him running as fast as he can at you. Those are two hip flips, all that. That's two different things. How about offensive, defensive line? Can somebody switch and go both?

You can, but it's two different skills. Like me, I was groomed to be a defensive lineman. Offensive linemen are completely different athletes. Now you have your anomalies like Trent Williams. Yeah. But even Trent Williams, he would have to lose a like Trent Williams. Yeah. But even Trent Williams, he would have to lose a lot of weight and change. And he would put on the inside.

Because everything, yes. And he couldn't put on the outside, he'd put on the inside, right? Because, yeah, because I know fans don't understand, you understand. You got the four linemen. Mm-hm. The two on the outside have more time to operate. When you get inside, it happens way faster. So your feet, you can't take those.

You have to. Right now. Feet have to be like that because everything's doing this. Immediately. When you're on the edge, you got a lot more time. You have a lot more range for mistakes. Not in the middle. Not in the middle. in the middle in the middle

So if you on the edge you get double team, but your double team might be Tackled s 330 and then the tight end. It's 250 to you know Both my people are 350 both of them Justice strong just as strong. That's Just as strong. That's two different techniques. The speed of how it's happening, it's just too much. So, like, doing all that on both sides, it's just a lot. It's a lot, man. It's just too much.

I was trying to figure out if you was training the kid to be able to be effective in the NFL. It's just impossible because one needs... You just heard you heard the sound clip of Shador talking to Travis. He told me so I don't care man Just catch it mean it. I'm just gonna throw it over there. He fucking hold He can't stop just throw it over just catch the ball. You can't do that in the league You got to be special to just say hey just throw it up cuz You gotta be special to just say, hey, just throw it up. Because you have elite level college players that are nothings to us at the highest level in the league. Unfortunately, that's just how it go.

That's just how it go. That's how good people are at the high, that's why I'm very cautious when I have teammates in the locker room, oh, I can go over there and get three points. No, man, bro, stop saying that. Big kid that just went to Georgia, right? Mm-hmm.

Ja. Ja. Right, I saw him at IMG years ago. KJ was at IMG. This is 2019. Like, he was young then. This motherfucker, the first time I looked at him, I said, son, you playing the wrong sport.

This motherfucker 6'11", 6'10", 6'11", at the time, 3'4", whatever he was. And I just thought at the size of him, right? So we're on the subject of being able to translate. I'm like, son, you can go play left tackle and make you a whole lot of money, right? Because I'm just looking at the pure size of him. I'm like, if go play left talk and make you a whole lot of money right Because I'm just looking at the pure size of him Right, I'm like if somebody can teach you because you already know how to defensive slide, right?

You've been playing basketball you defense slide Somebody can teach you how to do and keep somebody off for you and learn how to son You can make yourself a whole lot of money and he thought it was the worst thing I could have said to him at the time. Yeah, you know took his soul from him now. Look at it Where he's look at where it's happening. Okay. He's getting it right now where, okay, I got these college years where I could develop in this. Yeah. Like a lot of people say, well, what about Julius Pampers? He played in North Carolina. He was a beast. He was, but he was an NBA level beast. He was what, like 6'5"? Yeah, he played. He was viable.

He could jump and dunk and rebound and set some strings. Take that same first ballot Hall of Fame football player and put him in the NBA. He's not Julius Peppers anymore. Not at all. That's just... That's what it is. I mean, Ronald Curry was probably the only one

because he was... No, no, he was small, too, like 6'1". Who would y'all say is probably, over the last 10 years, one of the major enforcers in the NBA? Enforcers? Yeah. Well, that's hard. Draymond probably.

There you go. Stop right there. Have you ever seen Draymond at Michigan State football practice? Did see him put on the pass and try to get up. Yeah, they put him at receiver, though. He was a tight end. Tight end. Which is fit to him.

He's 6'7". But have you ever played, though? No. See, that's the thing. See, you can put him, like, when I was in the league, right, I played. Which is fit to him. He's 6'7". But have you ever played though? That's the thing. See, that's the thing. See, you can put, like when I was in the league, right, I played up to a certain point, right? No. No?

Mm-mm. Played up to a certain point. I played tight end and then defensive end, right? I just was like, man, this, being able to run fast. I ran a 4-6-4, I was 6'6 at the time. Right? Probably if I would have stuck with it, put some weight on me. But the fact that

it was different. The higher you got, the better team you played against. Okay, so take you being your height, your weight, you put weight on. At some point, you'll probably be a tight end. At some point, you've got to block Myles Garrett.

That's where everything changed. That's where everything changed. Or Von Miller. Or Von Miller. At some point, you got to get out there with Micah Parsons and block him

because our protection, I need you to slide this way. We got to go this way. And that's me. Because they got Demarcus Lawrence over there, but we got to double team Micah, but you hot.

So I'm talking a lot of stuff y'all probably don't know, but you hot. So, hey, I need you to block Micah for just a second because we got a CD back now. I got a... That's where everything changes.

And that's what I'm saying, where... Yeah, it's different. It gets... It's different. And that's why I say, saying you can come over here and do this and we can go over,

I just don't even like talking about it because I've sat courtside and watched what y'all do. And until you sit that, sitting three rows back is not like sitting right there. And they come shooting by you. Boom, boom, set that pick. And I'm like, that Hezzy in and out. I know the moves have all changed. Like I watched y'all when you was talking about you didn't need a second move because your first move it couldn't stop you

I get all that. But yeah, that shit sound good Right. I could still go out there and kick the motherfucking ball though. No you can't You could still go out there and kick the motherfucking ball. Either way I'm not even gonna lie. Where's it going? It's going where it's supposed to go. I'm gonna kick it where it's supposed to go. If I'm watching him pressure, what is he talking about? He's been kicking this bitch his whole life. He out there missing it. I don't even want that responsibility.

Because at the end of the day, that's an important job. That's a different pressure. That's a different level of pressure. That's a different pressure. I wish I was an agent. I wish I was an agent for kickers because God damn it, my argument would be spectacular. He's more important than Brady at this point. I wish I was an agent. I wish I was an agent for kickers because, goddammit, my argument would be spectacular.

He's more important than Brady at this point in my argument. Goddammit, you can't win without me. That's a different level of pressure, man. I'm telling you. No, no. Deadass serious. I be saying a lot. Go ask Harrison Bunker how that shit is. So, Gil, you've been practicing your

field goals all offseason. Oh, boy, all conflict. I'm avoiding all conflict with this. 90 to 75 degrees. I'm talking about you. Now you show up. I'm ready to go. Now it's a monsoon outside, and they say,

hey, we still need you to go out there. This is practice. Now you got to measure the wind. You got to... All that. No problem. Man, please. Man, that dude, man.

I ain't listening to nothing he talks about. No, he got on Black Tim. You got to respect it. He talking about kicking. I'm talking about punching. What? I'm talking about punching. Just like a person...

Just like, bro, it's as simple as this. I can practice free throws all day. Yeah. Put me in that arena that y'all in with all them fans, even if it's a tick and I'm on that line by myself. You got a 50% chance to make the shot. No, no. You hear me?

What's wrong with you? You got a 50% chance to make the shot. You know, when we're arguing, like, how come, like, think about somebody like Lucas. He was 64%. Y'all don't, they spend the most time practicing free throws And did like Free throws after the practice all day

They just throw that so the lights come on popcorn motherfucker smiling this girl walked in you made mama Nah, that's your different. That's what so big that's why what my, and the thing is, and I'm just saying because, I mean, this is where we at. Absolutely. The big issue be Ben Simmons. Right. Oh, Ben Simmons, he can, I can go do what he doing. Why would that be, why would that be? Because he don't shoot.

Because Ben Simmons don't shoot. He got everything. Because they feel he can't shoot. Everything you just talked about for the last 30 minutes, he got. Yeah. Size. Athleticism. Athleticism, quickness.

Oh, he had all that. Yeah. And now all of a sudden, he just can't. People, my teammates, oh, I can go. No, you can't quickness, he had all that. And now all of a sudden he just can't. People, my teammates, oh I can go, no you can't. No you cannot. So he been number one here, number one here, number one here and he going over there and can't do it, but you think you can?

There's something to that. There's something to that. To just going and. Like he choose not to shoot. That's what I'm saying. He made a choice not to shoot the basketball. Like they don't understand, like, Tyreek. Like, let's say Tyreek Hill and somebody like Ocho, right?

They're super fast and quick. Yeah. Ah, that hurts you playing basketball. Yeah. Because you're naturally trying to get to your top speed. God damn it. It's pacing, right? Quick!

All that. You're going too fast. You're going way too fast. That's what I'm saying. All that stuff. You got to learn how to slow down to score and shoot. That's what Ben Simmons never learned. He never learned to go top speed, then get into his shot.

He wants to keep going. So the fact that he don't know how to slow down, he don't want to shoot. And that's what I'm saying. To us, we're quarterbacks. I'm just speaking on quarterbacks. They struggle in college versus league. Open in college is open. Not open in college is open in the NFL.

Yeah. So, when you, when you shoot, a person's hand can be here or can be here. Mm-hmm. All you see is the rim. Guys that are not at their level,

they missing that because it's at the highest level, you throw people open. So I can be directly next to you holding your jersey and you'll still see a quarterback throw it to him. And it's like, that's not open.

Yes, it is. You know why? He's so good, I can take the ball, you can be right here next to me, but I can put the ball right here to where he can't get to it That's where everything changes, but at the same token you have to know all right. I need to slow down a little bit I need to get my foot here after pin him here as I'm running and all it

That's a lot that goes into it. I say that see I can make them guards. It's a lot. See, but that's what I'm saying. Those translate to guards. Facts. Facts. See, that's what I said. Okay, so the receivers are the twos. Right. Right? So those are contrived.

All I've got to teach them now is how to just dribble and get ready for the one-two. And the point guard is the Point guard is the quarterback. He's got to always deliver the ball. If you throw a bounce pass... Here's where the problem comes in for the NBA. Here's where the problem comes in for the NBA. Because we've seen... Obviously, if we thought about the greatest

athletes of all time, you're not getting past six without mentioning LeBron James. You're just not. Or Michael Jordan. The height, y'all's arm length, even you, Gil. I just shook your hand. Your hands are, you know what I'm saying?

Like, y'all's arm, y'all are y'all's, our quick twitch and how we move. Like, you couldn't, you can't lift. You can't lift the way I have to lift. You have to lift completely different. Because the fluidity of this this when you start getting like this it changes I gotta break you all it changes everything say yes it do we say

football players try to hoop see cuz the only different is because he lives that's not true that's a myth bro that's a myth that's not a myth it is a myth it's not it is if you can't lift your goddamn arms up. Durable motherfuckers that lasted in the league. Niggas that can't do this, listen. He walk around, he can't relax. No, they don't, man. And I'm giving you game.

I'm giving you game. Third niggas that lasted. No, man. That's why they stay injured. That's why they stay injured. You tell a football player to do this. That's LeBron. He has four bodies in the back. That's not they say he's a crime. He's a crime on band. He has four bodies in the back.

That's not a regular nigga. He's keeping his arm straight. If you're lifting just to lift for football, you're not keeping the... I learned from Tim Grover and Coach Scott. We lift for our position. We did the same thing. If you got a good trainer, your trainer tells you to train, folks. And you get our position. We did the same thing. If you got a good trainer, your trainer tells you to train.

And you get in there and you do the first hit. It's not the same. It's not the same. Because he's been a guard shooting, so when he's bulking up, he's still going to shoot after to keep his motion. If you go two, three months and you're just lifting in years, you're never going to get back to it. So he lift and then go shoot.

Who, me? So you're never, you're never going to, like, I can get you, I can get you his big and you're still going to keep your shot because you're going to go back outside and shoot three, four, five hundred shots. I can't give him five, six, seven hundred shots a day and get him back to you because, because. It's already set. Because it's already set. Because it's already set.

Your longevity is already set. This is looking like someone who got Mikel Ful... Is it Fulks? Yeah. Who got injured and he had to tighten that motherfucker back up. Now he didn't tighten it to football.

He can't extend like he used to. What I'm saying, if we was to lift like them, we would be jumping and we would be more faster and more explosive. So just hear me out. Because they're lower body explosive power lifters.

So I'll tell you right now. So we could do it. The way I lift is total body. I do total body. So just hear me out. No, it's plyometric. We was in school, right? It's plyometric training.

It's performance training. So when I was in Cincinnati, right, Mick Marotti was our head strength and conditioning coach. Mick Marotti, I think he's out of Ohio State now. He was with us in Florida. Like, we, as, it was probably the wrong shit for us to be doing. But I don't think he knew it different at the time. Like, we lived like we played fucking football when I was at Cincinnati. Yeah.

Cleansed and the snatches. And it just, we was, that's the only thing we didn't do. We did all that. But everything else, we, because we, no, we squat. We probably what we didn't do we did all that but everything else we because we know We squat we did a lot of shit because Basketball program lift that's like saying is not the lift is not the particular lift is how you're lifting all the way So if you putting all this weight on I want to see that's why you see lifting. All the way. So if you're putting all this weight on, I want to see. That's why you see Jalen Hurts go in there squatting 600 pounds,

and then you see him doing this brotherly shove that they do. His legs are so strong. He can run all day and all this. All that weight he's putting on, you can't lift like that and still be fluent the way y'all are. You can do a lot of reps, lower weight, a lot of reps. But you can't go in there and try, all right, I'm going to put 315 on the bar and'all are. You can do a lot of reps, lower weight, a lot of reps, but you can't go in there and try and, alright, I'm going to put 315 on the bar and do five

reps. Because I'll be looking at Shannon. Then you're going to be... You too. I'll be like, damn. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He's retired. Now look at Shannon Sharpe. Look at how he looked when he played versus how he looked now. Shannon is in there a bitch of 400 400 pounds, and he all like this now.

He probably lifted heavy when he played, but not like this. Yeah. Not like this. He had to be able to go here. He had to be able to do this with a double shell over your shoulder. Yeah. You have to be able to have a double shell over your shoulder and still be able to do this. I agree with you.

To be able to throw the ball the way his quarterbacks do. They lift like us. Everybody's different. You've never trained like a football. I always train like a football. No, you haven't. able to do this. To be able to throw the ball the way he's quarterbacked? Everybody's different. You've never trained like a football. I always train like a football. No, you haven't, bro. You haven't trained like us. I didn't. You've never. No, I went down to pro-active.

Okay, tell me what's your football training. So you train like a football player when you're in the NBA? No. I thought I trained like... I'm asking. I don't know. I'm asking. I'm asking a legitimate question. So you train like a football player when you was in the NBA? No. I thought I trained like... I'm asking. I went down the... He's saying you trained like a football player. I don't know. I'm asking. I'm asking a legitimate question.

So you trained like a football player? My trainer was Thomas McKinney. So I don't know who that is, but... Me neither. Right. Steve Yalca, look him up. No, I'm just saying. So I just asked you a legitimate question.

So you trained like a football player when you was in the NBA season? I've always... I've had... My uncle's Ray Roberts. Cousin is Leonard Little. My uncle is John Avery. They all came from a football family. So in sixth grade, I was lifting.

I was doing football shit. I have never. You was training for NBA season. You was trying to make a football play. It's my question. Of course, not fucking ask. Yes. Yes.

That's what my advantage in college was. You can't guard them over there. You can't guard them over here. It's a gas chamber down there. It's fluid out here. You were training for NBA season. My advantage was because I was different. You still haven't told me what the lifts different. You were training for NBA season.

Whatever you want to say to whatever the football lifts. Whatever the football lifts. Power cleans. All the power lifts. All the power lifts. You ain't talking about pushing sleds. No, that's not. Bro, I'm not playing football, but I'm not playing football.

I said I was lifting like a football player, bro. I didn't say I was... Let me ask you a question. Why would I say I'm training for... Why would I say I'm training for football? That's what we asked. Y'all know I'm talking about lifting like a football player. I know that's what I'm talking about. Stop it.

You're moving to Gold Bowl. My godson went to college to play basketball. When we was in, when COVID was happening, my godson was getting ready for college. My son was getting ready for college. One football to play basketball. I have a question. When we was in, when COVID was happening, my godson was getting ready for college. My son was getting ready for college. One football, one basketball. I put them both through the same workout. They did different things

in the same workout. You know why? Because I told him, you can't lift like my son, who's a wide receiver, because you play basketball. So we can do the same lifts, but we can't do them the same.

That's what I'm saying. So you can say, oh yeah, I lifted like a football player. You didn't. You lifted, we did the same lifts, but we played two different sports, so you have to do it differently.

Because after you finish lifting, I still got to go outside and push these sleds. I still got to pull these chains. You know that the techniques that football players use when training are the similar techniques that basketball players use? Like what? Like coming off your right pivot, thrusting your right hip forward,

going into a motion, coming off the defensive line, coming off of a rebound, catching it, going right back up speed, going through the ladder, boom, boom, boom, speed cut, uh-uh up, speed. Going through the ladder, boom, boom, boom, speed cut, uh-uh, between the legs. No, no, no, no, no, no. Can I finish? Can I finish? This is how I train.

This is how I train. I use the ladder. I use the frog machine. I use a lot of different techniques that were used from players that I trained with, which were football players, in the summer. We did certain things that were used from players that I trained with, which were football players, in the summer, we did certain things that were functioning just like what we do at basketball.

The same functions, the same movements we do, they did and they worked on. Which was like, oh, we do this, this is what we need this for. We need this for this function, we need this for this speed, oh yeah, y'all do a lot of speed, because I need that, because I need to get faster when I land land and I need to get this cut right. All of these things

go hand in hand with training because I am a trainer and I have done this for a long time. But I'm just saying for reference, we do train like this if you can. A lot of players are too fragile to train like football players because it's heavy on the knees, heavy on the joints. You don't have the cardio or the stamina to keep up with it. But those who do, those who keep at it, you're ready for it. You're ready, and you want it because you look at the football players, you're like, that's why they're so durable. That's why they're so durable.

Who looks at football players and thinks that way? I do. I played 15 years, and I trained like a basketball player. No, I trained with NFL football players. But we kill our bodies. No, we destroy our body. I was it was with Clay Matthews 100% psychopath. Yes, 1000% agree. Um agree. I'm already I've never seen not a human being

Like him. Mm-hmm Sproles, it was a Sproles. There's a rose. Yeah, I trained with Darren Sproles So I was with them and I quit just the thought of trying to do what they did. And I'm in peak shape, and I was like, why are we lifting this much? What's going on? Like, this, I had three plates on each side. I can do this. Motherfucker put a chain on my back to do some push-ups.

I don't even know what was going on. Sound like Slayer. Would you say that I can do this? Too close to do some push-ups. I don't even know what was going on. Sound like Slayer. Would you say that... I can do this. Too close to it for this show. Okay, boxing, UFC. You've seen UFC. They got...

You have to be in, like, dangerously good shape to fight five rounds in the UFC. Michael Chandler was in the UFC right now. He was supposed to fight Conor McGregor. He came to one-hour workouts. He couldn't get through the workout. It was me, Darren Sproles, and Drew Brees. He couldn't finish. This is a UFC

quarterback. Drew Brees was cooking him. A quarterback, a running back, and a defensive lineman. And he couldn't get through the workout. That's what I'm telling you. The way we... It's just different, bro. We're maniacs. It sounds like certain niggas don't need to be out there with yas only be out there with me. I was out there with y'all

You went to run you know the maniacs I'm gonna do you you ever did run you run you can you yeah We had it was football players me So I'm like I'm looking at okay. They want to tell one right now I got this right you there was a bunch of linemen out there right and it was the high Camardi lead right now. I got this. There was a bunch of linemen out there, and they was like, all right, come already lead. All I seen was this nigga run up full speed and never slowed down.

You know, have you ever seen him begin a run? Yes, I've never done it. I've went out there, never did it. He ran full speed up the mountain all the way to the finish line. He finished 21 minutes before the second person came in. He done stretched down, ate water, like damn near sleep before we.

And I'm sitting here like, yo, I came in last place. The legs was just way different. I didn't know what was. The reason I know. I didn't know. different. I didn't know what was... I didn't know what this was. The reason I know it's different is because we could do the same running, right? But you're running. Now, we got the same time. You're running.

I need to do with a weight that's on. You know why? Because I don't play with what I have on. I have to play heavier. So I have to do the same training you got to do. The explosion was way different. I see. Man, listen, dog.

The explosion was way different. I didn't want to watch Mel train the football players in Dallas, and I didn't want to watch him train the basketball players in Dallas. And I'm sitting there, and I want to throw up for him. Like, I want to throw up for the football players while they're training. Like, where's the trash can? Like, it's... That shit... And I'm... I didn't lift weights hard.

I didn't lift weights heavy. I didn't try to get it strong. I got to college, I was fucking 206 pounds. I left 230. I put on 25 pounds of muscle. I had 3.5% body fat. Right? So I know what it is to fucking lift and lift strong. Like, I was fucking ginormous when I got drafted. So we asked the chat... Go ahead got drafted. So we asked the chat... Go ahead, go.

So we asked the chat, could NBA players excel in the... Could NBA players excel in the NFL? See? This is what the... I'm manning the chat. Make just... 6,000 votes.

Somebody. 53% said yes. Chatted delusional on the Lord's Tuesday. Yeah, there you go. Excel? See, that's what I mean. See, Excel. Hold on.

I've been winning now. Hell yeah. Oh, my God. Excel? I said the effective cannot please these niggas. I said the effective cannot please these niggas. Excel is him. Excel is completely different.

Excel is three fucking all pros. I said effective. I said we could come to the NBA and play defense. It's now down to 52. You removed the needle. That's a lot of people in y'all's game where y'all say, all right, when he come in, we know what his job is. He can rebound.

He going to play defense. We set him up, give him a little fast break, whatever. He can jump. He can explosive all that. We have athletes that can do that. Y'all letting him get to explaining and all this. That's what I said. That's from the beginning.

That's what I'm with you. No, I'm not buying that. And that's what Anthony said. Not Excel. Not Excel. Gil put, Gil said, I can teach him the drill. Not Excel. See, me, I limited it to, I didn't cross that line of Excel.

Not at all. I said we could play defense. Be effective to a certain degree. You didn't know what Excel means? That's it. Yes, what does Excel mean? To get better. To get better.

To start and to get better. To start and to get better. I can get somebody in there and he will Excel. He will excel. What does excel mean in sports? Get better. To get better. If you say put us at receivers, off the rip, off the rip,

we would have trouble getting off the block. Yes. We would. Because we're not used to being hit. You have to teach us to take the hidden and move as well our feet see y'all the crossover guild is not even Our growth that's the crossover Get off me don't touch me get your hands off me first He don't know get off here like this immediately now we go

Soon as you get on me, you know Get off me. You did like this immediately. Nah. Nah, nah, nah. You ain't gonna do nothing. As soon as you look, get off me. Get off me. I know the rules. I know the rules. I know. Now he ain't going up. You gotta be strong.

You gotta be strong with me. Ain't no little nigga doing none of that to me. Like too little. Like let's take it. You too little. You know what? I'll give you one. He can get his hands out.

Too little. I'll tell you what. Okay, sounds good. Punt. Return? No. Punt team. To get down there. Punt team. To get down there. But return, there's like get down there,

you gotta, you gotta, so you gotta You don't gotta touch nobody, Gil. You don't gotta touch nobody. Just run.

Nah, you can't do that. You gotta get off the line. You ain't gotta touch nobody. What? You just gotta run down until he catch it and run by him.

See what I'm saying? Just run by him. That's that Austin Rivers mindset. Just run by him. You don't gotta touch nobody on the line. See, I'm with you.

Then I can say, alright, you don't have to touch nobody on the punt. See, I'm with you. Then I can say, all right, you don't have to touch nobody on the punt. Let him catch it. He going to do this. When he do this. He ain't got to touch nobody. Just hope he do this. Whenever you want to, you tell me, I'll bring you to an NFL training camp practice, and you'll just watch special teams.

Y'all know the joint practice we be having where it's always brawls? It's always the fight. Y'all know where most of them come from? On special teams. Special teams. Yes. It ain't the O-line versus D-line. It ain't none fight. Y'all know where most of them come from? On special teams. Special teams. Yes. It ain't the O-line versus D-line. It ain't none of that.

It's special teams. All them niggas are special out there. They special. Are you crazy? Like T.O. Hey. Niggas out there are special. Because I've watched T.O. since, you know,

my Golden State days play basketball. If he stuck with basketball the whole time, he would have been a great shooting guard. Athletic, strong, had feet. His footwork was amazing. He can shoot the fuck out of the ball. He spent years just getting too big

where he kind of... But if he would have stayed with it the whole time, he could have been in the NBA. But he played... For damn sure. He played from high school all the way to college, and then he could have. See, that's what I'm saying. Those NBA, like Randy Moss. Randy Moss could have played for sure.

That's what I'm saying, for sure. So, like, the 6'4 body that can jump, they already have something we don't have. We don't have our hips don't move as fast as. That's what I'm saying. If you put our hips on the line, nigga, we in trouble now. We got nothing.

You got to put it where you put it. Okay, are we talking about playing the game and being durable? Because once you get off the block, you still got to catch the ball. No, we'll catch the ball. Then once you catch it, you got to... Our hard problem would be getting off the line.

Yeah, I think that's the hard part. Because what ends up happening, even if we're on the DBs, right? Even if we're playing defense, we're not taught to swivel as fast as you guys. No. Right? So you're talking about backing up and then turn and turn. No.

We'll fuck around. Pull our girl. Sit back there, motherfucker. Play safe, nigga. And observe. And you know what that's like? They would have to play man every fucking possession for you not to even have, you know, get the chance to go get off on them. They play zone, that means he back off you on one possession. That's not necessarily. If he's not up on you on the line, if he's not up on you.

Zone don't mean that. I'm still going to be zone jamming shit out of you. You're not going to jam me if you're ten yards back. That's a certain zone. That's a certain zone. That doesn't mean that... Certain zone. Okay, what y'all going to pick? Y'all going to nitpick my zone?

Receivers? You nitpick and bring a zone into it. I said it. You nitpick and bring a zone into it. Certains okay receivers We talking about being a man-on-man but you're both zoning today man, oh man getting off the line not every possession are you do? If I say You know what he can come over here and play D-line. Am I talking about he come over here and play D-line and he doesn't have to go one-on-one with this dude? There's going to be a double team every time. There's going to be a double team.

That's not the thing. Whoever. That's the way you just put it. I can catch the ball. What if he's 10 yards off? He ain't got to worry about the check. No, he was talking about the... There's different elements to the game. Exactly if he's 10 yards off? He ain't got to worry about the jack. No, he was talking about the... There's different elements to the game.

Exactly. That's what I'm saying. If he's playing man on him, it's going to be trouble. Like he said, it's going to be hard for me to get off the line. That's what he said, right? That's the game. Yes. If they're in the zone, it's not going to be hard for you to get off the line

because they're not going to be pressing you. Okay, now we still got to cut and move. And I understand that. That's all I'm saying. It's still going to change for us. That's all I'm saying. It's still going to change. It's still going to change for us. That's what I'm saying. It's not going to be, I got to beat this nigga off the line every time. At some point in the game,

hey, I'm going to get there. Actually run around. I get there right now. At some point in the game, I can go fly because I'm not on the line. I'm going to tell you this right now. So since we're talking sports, right? So if a coach know that you can't get off the line, you think he's going to fucking go zone? Like, I think...

Hold on, hold on. I wasn't on my answer. We think... I wasn't on my answer. We think you can throw the ball... You're going to have to explain where your offense is about me. If your defense is going to be predicated

to stopping me, yeah, I mean, that's the case. I know you can't get off the line. I'm not going zone. Then we're going on the inside. We're talking as if when you get hit, I'm always going to try to hit you up here. You 6'5", 6'6".

Taking all this out. You got to do that over and over and over again. And you have to worry about, as I'm coming across the middle of this field, is he going to try and knock, is he going to try and take me out? Well, I ain't not worried about that so much nowadays. I'm going out of bounds.

Nowadays, first of all... I just said in the middle of the field, you got to knock him out. Okay, first of all, personally, nowadays, not so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been talking about this 10 years ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 10 years ago. You couldn't cross that motherfucking thing. I'm a D-court.

I'm the dude that's going to sit there, pretend I'm going to get it every time, cut across the field, do all that. Don't throw me the ball. You know who we call those? Yeah. Practice squad. Hey, so let me tell you this, Joe. Yeah, yeah. Don't throw me the ball.

So it's the same reference now, right? So it's the same reference that he just said, right? So in today's NBA, these young boys don't know what it is to get chucked on the pick and roll. When you roll, they don't know what it is for a motherfucker to meet you. They'll stand you up. Right? You cut across the lane, you cut through the weak side, they don't know what that shit is. That started right there.

So they don't understand that. So that's equivalent to you going across the middle of the night and a motherfucker. You ain't got to worry about niggas taking your shit off right now. I'm not scared, man. You got to be scared. I'm not scared. I signed up for this. Neither one of them is. I signed up for this. This is a part of it. Go ask Chad if he was ever scared. Let's go fucking play football. Go ask my mother. Let's play fucking football. I signed up for this. Neither one of them is. I signed up for this. This is part of it.

Go ask Chad if he was ever scared. Let's go fucking play football. Go ask my mother. Let's play fucking football. I'm not playing scary-ass football. I'm not going out here. Nobody is. If I'm out here, if I get hurt, I get hurt.

Nobody is. If I get hurt, I get hurt. If I get hurt, I get hurt. You gotta stop me now. If you at the high school, nobody's gonna be scared. You gotta fucking stop me. And you be looking out to stop me. Neither one of them, nigga that got up there was looking out their motherfucking ear holes.

I ain't scared. That's what I'm saying. I ain't scared. You get up and you looking out that motherfucking ear hole. That's what I'm saying. Right there. You get up and you're looking out that motherfucking ear hole and you're walking to their sideline and your shit over there. I ain't never seen no... I interviewed with a nigga talking to an ear hole, man. We got a new poll. We got a new poll.

We asked to check if NBA players, not Excel, just play in the NFL. Yeah. 50-50 split. First time in the history of Gills Arena. 50-50 split on the chat. I'll take it. I'll take it. I'll take it. My whole thing was, if you do it, who will have the better chance?

Not will they be good. Just overall, the 30. I personally feel like we will have a better chance coming to y'all's game. Because y'all can just say play defensive. Because. The skill set doesn't matter. Yeah. At that point, we can just say play defense.

I mean, not saying defense is easy. But still, you can move your feet, though. Just doing that. I got matter. Yeah, at that point, we can just sit and play defense. I mean, I'm not saying defense is easy. But still, you can move your feet, though. Just doing that. I got you. Oh, shoot. You go around. But if you train and defense. Because think about it.

We do side-to-side movement. Defense is the most important part of the game. No, I'm saying. Okay, wait, hold on. If you have a year. No, not really. No, it's not. If you have a year to train.

The most important part of the game is scoring more points than the opponent. If you have a year to train. Well, it's not. It's going to be given us... The most important part of the game is scoring more points than the opponent. If you have a year to train... Well... Defensively... Set a pick. How tall is most... Like, our wide receivers? The safeties and stuff.

It just kind of depends. They 5'10"-ish to 6'2", 6'3". Yeah. The biggest one is going to be 6'3". That's the problem with NBA players. Defensive. I mean, see. There's only a handful of receivers.

That's the problem with NBA players. Y'all's height and y'all's length and y'all's arm. We're just talking about guarding the guards. So you got Mike Evans. He's 6'5". Yeah. So there's only certain guys that's playing a receiver position. Like Jalen Ramsey, Devontae Adams, people like that.

The only problem would be is the aggression. Like you have to dial down your aggression and your natural ability to want to jump and shit. That's why when you were saying one year, two year, three, our brains are geared to, like, we just... Go forward. Yeah, you'll get a lot of fouls early. Like, we just geared to be... Like, I tore my labrum in my arm,

and I tore my bicep tendon up here, right? I've torn down here, down here, down here, down here. I tore this on the third play of the game. I missed one snap. You know what I did? I said, tape around the top,

and I'm going back in. It was Monday Night Football. I was playing the Steelers. I'm not missing this. You got to. I tore my bicep. It's still not there. I tore the bicep tendon

out my shoulder. I had them put tape. That ain't doing nothing. I said, put tape around it. Hold it in place. And I went back in, and I got a sack on Ben Roethlisberger. Our minds are, we're just, we're groomed to be like crash dummies. We just are.

Whereas how y'all play, it has to be a certain level of control. That's why I say y'all's skill level, y'all's pacing and all that. We got to slow you down for the sport. Yeah. Because just overall, the engines are higher. Absolutely. Your engines are higher, so we have to dial you down so you don't get baited into fouls like, okay, you got a 46.

So you've been to the So, ready to drag race. Ha! You've been to the drag race, right? Yeah, I know. Where it's dun, dun, dun. Yeah. And it's the motherfucker that got dun, dun, dun. They just fucking go to the end.

Yeah, yeah. It's that shit with them because it's four seconds, dog. Yeah. Each play is four seconds, kid. Yeah, we got to slow you down. Max. That's all. Max, right?

Yeah. That's the plague state. Yeah, so, and that's just, for us, it's the motherfucker. It's the long, it's the whole fucking thing. If you teach motherfuckers how to backdoor and that's, and that's just, for us, it's the, it's the long, it's the, if you teach a motherfucker how to backdoor and shit like that

and jump. If you're watching, like, if you watch the game, it's like, oh, okay, that play.

All right, the play was like this. To us, it happens like that. Keep this thing moving. It is 1242 Pacific. We are contractually obligated to talk

a little bit of basketball on this show, even though. I thought it was a fucking football show. We learning. Hybrid, Gil. Hybrid. All right?

I'm learning here. Multi-denominational. But in the meantime, in between time, make sure you download the Underdog Fantasy app. Use promo code Gil. You get $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pick-em. And Underdogs got special promos for you all week long for the kickoff of the NFL season. So make sure you use promo code Gil to get your bread right and take advantage of all those. So we're going to talk about something that you can relate to as well.

Fecondo Compazzo spent parts of three seasons in the league with the Nuggets and Mavs before heading back overseas. At only 5'10", the Argentinian Hooper was a mismatch for several of the top guards in the NBA. So during an interview on the Clank podcast, Compazzo talked about his experience defending some of the best guards in the league and the heckling that he dealt with from fans. So here was his quote.

He said, I had to defend Stephen Curry and Trey Young. There were these rappers sitting in the front row that were saying to him, attack him. He can't defend you. Look, look, he doesn't know how to defend. And I was thinking, please don't attack me or don't fall so you don't end up in the top ten of the week. It was the same when I was defending

Curry. Draymond would come up to me and say, no matter how you defend him, he's going to score 30 points on you, so ask your coach to switch you out. But it brings her to a larger issue and topic. Did heckling help or hurt your game when you were playing? Hey, man, I was stuck on who the fuck this was. I was looking at. You over there reading this shit, and all I'm thinking about, like, who the fuck is this?

Hey, Mark, I was reading. I said, okay, how does this? That's why. What's the segue? That is why. I'm waiting on the next one. All right. Wait, is that the, he was the good passer?

Yeah, point guard. Oh, he just never got in. He was a good passer, right? Yeah. Okay, okay. No, but I mean passing I know there was somebody on Denver I can pass the shit out of the ball I just this is just the entryway into the subject. I appreciate that. It just threw us off the same way It just was just yeah, I get it some orders. I'm over here like on the players

He said I like general topic of the general topic Did heckling hurt or help your game when you were playing We'll start with the basketball players first and we were headed from the NFL side Rashad the heckling helper hurt your game She didn't help shit when you barely play you said It gets you get you get you kind of hype. You know saying my voice started saying your name and shit randomly Not supposed to be shooting the ball and you shoot it, you make it one, two, three, coach start calling your name because you're getting Elko. It helped me a lot of times, to be honest.

The very few times that it did happen. So you played average 15 once a season. I got Elko. I got Elko because I was the 15th man on the bench and I got fucking Elko because I wasn't playing and it was there. They was like, we came to see you play. And he was like, get your ass in the game. And I was like, no.

So the answer is? Yes, I've been heckled. So does it help or hurt? Does it help or hurt? It helped. It helped. I got to play a little bit more, a little longer. Kane, how about yourself?

How did you deal with hecklers? Did they motivate you? I know occasionally you'd have to check fans during games, but did that help your game or hurt your game? Didn't do either Had no no no bearings on how I was gonna try to put foot to ass it didn't matter man I want to win and it had something to do with the 9450. I Heard him yeah, cuz somehow I'd 9450. I don't... He didn't hear him? He heard him. Yeah, because some motherfucker be disrespectful, but it don't matter.

Because if you see me on the street, you're going to ask for a fucking picture, so... Listen, like, it don't... Like, unless you just wow with it, saying some wild, disrespectful shit, and you sitting this close, like, you sitting courtside, and you just dumb disrespectful. Then I could... Then I'm got a story pertaining to that too.

Then I'm going to address you. Then I'm going to, but other than that, you sitting back here, I'm going to tell you, hey man, appreciate you paying the salary for the day, dog. You don't believe that.

You don't believe that. Like, that's that Mello. You don't believe that. Mello, you suck. You don't believe that. You don't believe that. Right? So, man, they there to cheer for their team, dog.

And I don't. Yeah. You're a little different in the NFL. Fans are a little bit further away. But when you're on the sidelines, obviously they can scream, they can heckle, they can say whatever the hell they want. We've seen situations in the past. Marcus Peters having to run up on a fan.

Yeah, I had. I'm very similar to how K-Marty is. It don't affect me because I have because I was always joking during the game. I couldn't play angry. My worst games of my career at every level, little league, high school, college, NFL, is when I was angry. I'm just not that guy. So it'd be people fighting on Sunday.

We'd play on Sunday. It'd be people fighting. I'd run up and be like, hey, nobody go to church today. And they'd all be like, I was like, see, you weren't mad as you thought. And get back in the huddle. So when I come out, people talk crazy to me, like, pertaining to, oh, they want a picture with you after. We play in Philly. Philly known in the league as one of the worst places to play because of the fans.

So we standing in the tunnel, and the fan is disrespecting me. And I turned to him. I said, hey, bro, do you got to do all that to root for your team? Like, do you have to personally disrespect me and root for your team? He was like, I'm sorry, man. I'm just a big fan, man. I didn't mean nothing. I said, I appreciate you rooting for your team because I want my team to root for me,

but, like, disrespect is it? Oh, man, you know, I just, I apologize, man. There's more tension. There's more tension. So when it's happening to me, like, I'm going to play anyway. You know, especially when I'm on the road. Oh, yeah, there's going to be more tension. It's going to be worse.

But to me, it's like, whether you scream or not, I have a job to do. So it don't affect me either way. If it affects me anyway, it gives me even more of a boost because now I can come and be like, all right. You just say it. Okay. There we go. I was about to piggyback on that. If it does anything for me, it gives me motivation to have you sit on your hands, right? Yeah.

For me to play as well, that's what kick your team ass. Now you're not cheering or nothing. Now you're sitting there motherfucking quiet, or you getting up and walking out. And that's the best revenge ever, right? And the motherfuckers walking out the game ain't over yet? Oh, it's the best. I had got a sack versus the Cleveland Browns. Ran over the center and I pointed to the crowd.

Everybody's asking, what was you pointing at? Well, in Cleveland they have an area called the dog pound. I had just signed my new contract like two days prior. We warming up about a day purposely do this. They have the opposing team warm up at the dog pound so they can heckle you. And they disrespect, you shouldn't have got paid, you overrated, this, this, and this, blah, blah, blah. And I said, all right, cool.

Second play of the game, I ran the center over and got a sack, and I pointed to them. Like, you was saying what? You know what I'm saying? Like, that's just how it is. I had a fan yell at me, I sacked Eli Manning. A fan yelling at me, man, if you touch Eli Manning again, I'm going to kill you. From up there?

It's just part of it, man. Like, you have fun. I have fun with it. Because they're just fans, man. They're just fans. But I've also said courtside NBA games where guys cross lines. And I'm like, hey, bro, if he come over here, I promise you I'm not helping. I'm going to help him. Because I know what that's like.

So it just depends on the athlete. If it really bothers you, you see Russell Westbrook, he'll go get somebody. Hey, get him out of here. You know what I'm saying? So to me, I don't care. How about yourself? How can you help or hurt your guy? I love that shit.

It was part of entertainment for me. So for someone to... Think about a fan, right? Just like we get ready for the game, right? We getting ready to whoop

their ass. His distraction, like he probably done talked himself in the mirror. I'm going to call him this. I'm going to tell him. Like he literally, like so it's who's going to win this battle, right? So either if I hear his mouth, either I'm bawling or I'm playing like shit, right? I'm bawling enough for him to try to distract me now or I'm playing like shit and he's harassing me. It's going to go either way, but I average 29, 28, so obviously I was getting the better

of most nights, but I looked at it as fun because if I'm playing in Charlotte, it's Charlotte. The team's sorry as hell. So I need someone to say some shit to get me riled up. Now I get to play for something. Because your point guard, you know, he ain't in it today. I'm not playing against the motherfucking Lakers. I'm not playing against Allen Iverson. It's you.

So this motherfucker here like, oh, yeah, we're going to get the best of you. You ain't that good. I appreciate it. Thank you for coming out, God damn it. I got a good 35 piece for you I always used to look at it like this, too Who are they heckling? Not heckling the whole team. No, okay, Amar you suck But you heckling me Clearly I don't you chose me To heckle Especially football On game day

It's 46 actors It's 53 guys It's 46 actors So all these people You named You could have called Yeah Gerald you suck

Why'd you choose me Yeah So obviously I'm doing something I am I don't suck You know so that's how I'm doing something To get your attention

I'm doing something To get your attention You had to pick me To heckle So that's how I's looking at me. I'm doing something to get your attention. You had to pick me to heckle. So that's how I see it. Like, I must not be that bad. If you got all these people to choose from and you chose me to yell at, I'm good.

On the subject of heckling, let's go back down memory lane. November 9th, 2002, you're playing on the Warriors at that point, second season in the league. You guys are playing in Houston against the Rockets. You had a situation where Irv Gotti, Ja Rule, and the Murder Inn crew, they were all sitting courtside, had about 20 tickets courtside for that particular game. You had a situation which may or may not have had

your life in jeopardy in the aftermath. So what's that story between you and Irv Gotti? Yes, please tell. Listen, look, I don't know nothing about you know, sports betting back then, right? I just know that the game is still going on. It's my second year. I need points.

So, therefore, I didn't care what the time was, nor what the score was. I was shooting that shit, right? And I remember like, he said something, like, don't shoot the ball or you're not gonna shoot it.

And it was, like, winding down. Three, two, I shot that bitch. Hell yeah, I shot that bitch. Who said it? Irv Gotti. Oh, man, if you don't shoot He had the money in the game

and the line was covered. He told you don't shoot? It was one of them, like, because they was talking the whole game. Yeah. And, you know, so that was the group. He told you, don't shoot. It was one of them, like, because they was talking the whole game. Yeah. And, you know, so that was the group. Like, yeah, that's Chop motherfucking Rude.

Right? So, hell yeah, I'm getting busy. So, the spread was eight on the game. Coutinho Mobley hit a pair of free throws in the final minute of the game to put the Rockets up nine. Game was decided. They had $175,000 bet on that game. And then you came down and you did

what exactly? Shot three. Easy money. Yee-yee-yee-yee-yee-yee-yee. Hey, you won the game, but you lost the money. Ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya. Listen, everybody

in this motherfucking arena happy, but you... I don't arena happy, but you. I don't know what to tell you. Oh, man, I didn't know. I didn't know my life was in danger. So we actually have a video of Irv Gotti and Ja Rule talking about this on an appearance they did on Drink Champs. Gilbert Arenas. Gilbert Arenas gets the ball, drives down top speed, and shoots his hand in like a Steph Curry 40-footer. drink champs. I can't believe he did that shit. And after that... He wanted to kill Gibraltar. He really started torturing him.

Like, that's the nigga. The hibachi nigga. That's the nigga. Oh, my God. Y'all are friends now. You've worked it out. That 175 got his thing, especially on the post. Quit betting on sports, God damn it.

Shit. Can't depend on these niggas. They don't know you bet. It's like fantasy football. Yeah, yeah. Nigga mad at you because you had no sack. You know, uh... Should I start so-and-so? I'm trying to win the game.

Just start with what you want. Fantasy, I don't know. That's funny as shit. So that nigga's over there talking shit. Yeah, they're like, the free throw, you know how you swing it out? Nah, nah, nah. Nigga, you over there still yabbing, celebrating. Like, you know what I mean? Like, they hit the free throw, they over there celebrating and shit.

This means something to y'all. Oh, yeah, yeah, hold on. The fuck y'all celebrating? Boom. Oh. Like, ooh. Yeah. The hibachi. See you next game. Yeah.

Did you guys have any... He said for nothing. For nothing. For nothing. He was so upset with that for nothing. Did you guys have any notable interactions with celebrity fans when you were hoping? Nobody... I mean, nobody's going to come.

No, I understand. I'm cheering for them teams and all that other other than Spike in the Garden and shit like that. You said, did we have any celebrities come to you? Like, no interactions with celebrities? I'll talk shit to Spike, man. Talking crazy to you? Oh, no, I was talking, when I was with the Nets

and we was kicking the Knicks' ass in the Garden, I was talking cash shit to Spike. You better know it. Yeah, I was. Yeah, I was a nobody then, so it didn't. Well, other than that, that was good. That was Steve Francis and them, so, yeah, that was... Can I ask a question?

My mother's work was flirting with me. Front row work. It's because y'all been playing the game. Like, we play even... The closest it get, even Little League, the parents are a little ways back. You get to high school, they understand. College, they stay in football.

They back that. Yeah. Do y'all groom yourselves to where y'all don't even think about it with you doing everything you're doing with me sitting right here next to you? Do y'all even see? Or, like, the fans? I know you may interact, like, if it's a free throw, you sit over, look over. If you hoop, you might wink or some but

Performing with people like because you've been doing it so long. Does that even don't even see You know, I figured it. Yeah, but for the most part you don't even cuz like us we don't It could be the third quarter. I can look up like damn the fucking Denzel over there Oblivious dog like have no fucking clue. Like, until I went on the bench for an extended period of time and was like, just started. Just looking around. Just observing like shit.

Like, oh, shit. Oh. Hmm. Oh, that's cool. Or some shit be going on. I just. Yeah, because like us, we just play. You just play.

Like, even in like, we're just like you're taught, right? We've done, think about AAU, them parents is the worst. AAU parents is the worst. They're the worst. My son didn't switch to football until he was a sophomore in high

school. And even through high school, he played AAU basketball. So I know. It's bad. It's bad. It's brutal. So like, you know, kids, like, you know, that's, you know, you learn how to like get rid of it. In high school is a little bit like,

You hear your parents. Like if you're in high school, you hear your parents. The only person you hear is your parents. Right? That's the only person you hear in high school. You don't hear yourself. Yeah. You hear that tone. No matter what signal it is. You don't hear stuff. Yeah. You hear that tone. No matter what it is.

What signal it is. One, just one. Everybody clapping. You hear that. All that going on. I can be like, yup. He'll be like. That was mine.

Yeah. Right? That was mine. Yup. Yeah. I got you. I got you. I got you.

You're trained to hear. All you gotta say. But because we're moving so much, you don't even get to really act in real time. Yeah, yeah. Right? Because so many voices going on. Our biggest problem is when we get to the NBA is media. Mm-hmm.

Because for the first time in our lives, negativity has been, like, you're saying I'm overrated is the opponents, right? Right, right, right. I'm good, and you're saying. Yeah,rated is on the opponents right I'm good and you said so that becomes another thing when we're watching in real time people say something about us that hits a little bit different right it's we we're not accountability doesn't college you know college writers don't talk shit about the player for the most part. Because they got to see the player the whole time. You know, we're on sports. The university won't let them in.

When we get to the NBA and then we sitting there and we play the game and then some people we've never seen in our lives go on to ESPN or TNT or whatever they make them come. Oh yeah, he's not this good. He's a ball hog you're like the fuck is your problem right right I know I know no I did shoot 35 times but that's that's

neither here nor there right like this is my sorry ass team I gotta practice with these dudes I these niggas want to go drink there's a reason that I shot 35 times yeah right you don't know that but why are you who who gave you the, right? So I have a problem with that, and my emotions will kick in. Right? Yeah. And then I'm going to say something. I'm going to be the little bitch about it.

Because what you're saying is correct, but the context is different. And I think because y'all, because it's only a few of y'all, you can be more targeted. Where if our defense don't play good, they're not going to say, Gerald did this and he didn't do that. The defense was terrible. And even so, the guys who are on that level are quarterbacks, really quarterbacks. Quarterbacks. It's just like that, quarterbacks.

Quarterbacks, head coaches. Quarterbacks, It's just like that, quarterbacks. Quarterbacks, head coach, get this. Quarterbacks, head coaches, that's it. But y'all, it can be, it's just five of y'all. I mean, now I'm talking about just on the court at a time. So y'all can be more targeted. But my next question is like communication. I'm sitting here courtside and I'm watching K-Martin. He's saying something to whoever this is

as he's shooting free throws. I can kind of, and he's saying something to whoever this is as he's shooting free throws. I can kind of see what he's saying, but I can't hear it, and I'm sitting this close. How is, like for us, we communicate. People just see the game going on. There's a lot of communication, but you can only hear it if you're right there. Is that how it is for y'all? Like when y'all communicate cuz we as fans

We sitting on the court. I'm speaking from a fan standpoint. We can't hear the communication, but I know it's going I know it's happening. Yeah, but we can't hear it. Is it the same for y'all? We're a lot of community cuz they making checks for us Certain position I have to hear this but also I'm having to hear Tom Brady check as well. You know what I'm saying? Most of it is the bigs, right? Yeah. Most of the...

Offensively, it's the guards. The point guard is the communicator on offense. On defense, it's more the bigs because we're in the back line, so we see everything. We're in the pick and rolls. We're calling the coverage. We're telling the guard whether to get over the top, whether it's a down or a blue or switch or five, whatever the terminology is. Right?

Yeah. Hey, watch that screen. Get up under that. I'm on your left, I'm on your right. Hey, hedge, hey, move the top like that. Don't let that go to... So it's on me to call the coverage out so... for him. Mm-hmm. So it's the... I can't see what's going on, but... Yeah. So it's the linebackers for y'all, right?

Yep. So it's the linebackers for y'all, right? So it's the linebackers, and so for us, it's the bigs, right? Me and Chris Paul got into a game because he was trying to call out the coverage, and I told him, that ain't your fucking job. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Got an argument on the bigs.

That's not your fucking job, dog. Like, your job is to pass the ball and get the motherfucking ball. Let me do this. Well, my message was, he was absolutely probably right what he was saying, but in the time when he didn't, ain't your fucking job, dog. Yeah. Let me do my job.

Let me call out this coverage. If you get screened, it's on me. Yeah. That's the difference in the dynamic, another different dynamic in the game.

So if we come in the huddle and they call a call, okay, they know what coverage they running behind. But me, I have to see the formation because I have to say, hey, you go over here and flip because I know I want the one-on-one. So I know the running back is here.

You got passing strength here. I have to know, are they a passing strength team? Are they a cap team, which is center away from back? Is this running back, is he out lined up more behind the tackle? That means I know he's going out. If he's in more, I know he's releasing into the A gap. I have to know all that up front. In the back end, they got to communicate on a completely different level.

So what I'm seeing up front means it all is the same. The formation is the same. But it means something different for us up front versus them in the back end. We have to coordinate our rush. So we're not just up there, go get the quarterback. Because you got to know, are you getting three people here? Are you getting two people here? Do I have a one-on-one?

If I do have a one-on-one, do we want to run a twist? Do we want to run? It's a lot that go on. But it's different for me versus them. Yeah. Right, and they, we all seeing the same thing

and doing two completely different things, but at the same token, you will hear rush and coverage has to work together. Yeah. So it's,

it's. How does that change though when you're in a loud stadium though, and you can't hear each other because the crowd's so loud? Signals. Signals.

Yeah, and then, yeah, they got your hand. Signals, differentals. Yeah, and then... Signals. Different signals. Different signals. You got to know. You know all...

There's all the different... Like, let's say you see something. Like, it's really loud and y'all made a play call and you see something outside of the play call, right? Yeah. How do you signal

to the rest of the crew that they about to do something different? Because then you're by yourself now at this point because you, you know what I mean? I don't want to answer it for you,

but my understanding of it is even if he see it, in real time, he probably can't communicate. He got to do what the play was called, right? Because he can't deviate because if he go left,

everybody else go right, he fucked up the whole play. Now if they score, it's on fucking him. That's what I'm saying. And on film, they're going to be like, God damn it, Gerald, what the fuck was you doing right here? Yep. So if somebody score, like we get to the sideline,

they have tablets now. You can literally run the play and see what happens. So if somebody score, they have to find where's the breakdown. All right? And you look. On TV, it looks like this. Oh, shoot, he just had a great run. Y'all don't know what the problem is.

We get to the sideline, the coach will say, who had the B gap? Oh, well, coach, I thought it was a boot because he turned. Who had the B gap? Fuck what you saw. I don't care about what you saw. What was the call?

Oh, it was close left. So you had to be there. Yeah, I had to. Coach, it was Gerald. He got out of the game. Yeah, yeah. He tried to. He seen something.

So yeah, yeah, yeah. And now they just score six points all because I seen something. And I'm like, this is what's happening, but if I, one person, and his whole defense don't do his job, it's touching. So just take Russell Wilson, for instance, right? We all like, why the fuck he didn't give the ball to Marshawn Lynch, right?

That wasn't the call. Yeah. See, okay, so now do you guys... But he's also like, I'm about to get this Super Bowl. No, no, no. The pot was twofold, though, right? Do you guys... But he's also like, I'm about to get this Super Bowl. No, no, no. But still, what I'm saying is... The party was twofold, though, right? Do you guys get pissed off the same as us with analysts

that didn't play the game? Absolutely. Absolutely. But their sport is more in tune to have people that played it, talking it. Yeah. Because it's been that way forever. Yeah.

Because, like, with us, let me just, like, the problem now is most of the legacies are being judged by people who never even played the game. Right. Right?

So when you say, whose block was this? Like, they might be blaming him. Yeah. He was in the right position, but because I fucked up. Now, he's getting called for something, but only the team knows that. And I'd be blaming him. He was in the right position, but because I fucked up. Now he's getting called for something, but only the team knows that.

And I hate that part of the sport where... I hate it. What'll happen is, we'll play a game. Oh, well, Gerald don't have no sacks. He don't have this, this, this, and this. I go in the meeting room and I got an A for the game. I graded out great. You know why?

Because when we come into Tampa in between 2010 and 2018, the game plan is stop 93. Stop him. When we played the Saints, I trained with Drew Brees. We played him twice a year. He's in our division. He told me, I'm not letting you get off when you play us. So they had a certain way to protect.

How they protect is how they protect. When they played Tampa, if I get up and move, because I just read your protection, Drew, I know what you're doing. I'm going to get up and go over here. Check, check. Kill, kill. Slide that way. Now I'm getting this double team all game i might come free here and there you gotta pick but now the media man jerome might be losing the step he ain't

doing this and this he ain't doing this and this well you know what happens is it's four of us so if it's five of them it's four of us and So if it's five of them, it's four of us, and I got two, somebody needs to win they one-on-one. Now, when somebody else is making hay, now it opens it up for me. But when we're watching and you knowing exactly what's happening, like we in the play, and we know we're getting put in a bad position by our play caller, but we can't do nothing about it. But the writers are saying, it's defense, it's trash, it's defense.

We all like, man, I'll kill you. I won't choke you out. Like, I've had instances where I've literally gotten media members' numbers and said, final warning. No, I'm serious. You know I'm talking to you. I said, final warning. No, I'm serious. You know I'm talking to you. I said, final warning.

I've told you, stop making stories up. Stop doing this. Don't do that. So, yeah, we get just as irritated with the job. Did he heed to the warning? Oh, yeah, he took heed. He took heed for sure. Yeah, I just don't like it. I'd be like, how do you judge someone?

How do you say someone is doing this? Like, how can you call someone the ball hog, but you've never been in practice? You've never been in practice. You don't know what the teammates do. You don't know what the pecking order is. You don't know, we in Miami, this motherfucker just got in 20 minutes ago.

And you want me to, there's 10 seconds on the line i got triple t you want me to pass in the drunk drunk a lot over there yeah like this motherfucker that's what i'm saying like like kobe when kobe would say i seen you practice why would i trust give you the ball in the game i watched what you did in practice why would i give y'all don't but y'all don't know that because y'all not at practice you know and i was like how do you you don't know what the play call is you don't know that because y'all not at practice. And I was like, you don't know what the play call is. You don't know what

we are doing for me not to take this game winning to pass it over here. Right? You don't know what play that is. But I'm getting judged for not taking that shot

or I'm getting judged for a turnover where I'm supposed to give a handoff. Right? Yeah. You went back door. Right.

Yeah. Right? You know what I mean? Or you're supposed to go back door. Right. Yeah. Right, I'm, you know what I mean? Or you, you supposed to go back door, right? And you come get the handoff and I threw that motherfucker out of bounds. Like quarterbacks, all interceptions are not created equal. You see them throw interception, but we talked it earlier in the week. When you get cover three, go here. The quarterbacks don't throw, like I said, they throw you open. So quarterbacks we talked earlier in the week. When you get cover three, go here. The quarterbacks don't throw, like I said, they throw you open. So quarterbacks throw to spots. I expect you to be.

When Antonio Brown and Ben Roethlisberger were hitting on all cylinders, the reason being Ben Roethlisberger told him, I don't care how you get there, be in the spot. And they were hitting on all cylinders. Some wide receivers get out there and they just be all over the fight. And they were hitting on all cylinders. Some wide receivers get out there and they just be all over the place. So that leads me

to my next question. How do y'all deal with former players criticizing the player? Do they have a little more leniency? A little more,

like, for me, I listen to them. They're in this position now, so it's one thing that matters level of success i think to a certain degree like whether a guy has success while he was playing or not i think it matters what does that give you does that give him more leeway to say more or does it it does it depends it depends. It depends, like... Because you know

they understand the game or because he just is who he is? No, they did it and they were successful at it. Rashad, do you agree or disagree with that? I'm just saying the way some dudes think, man.

I'm saying, like... Yeah. It comes across different, like, from you. If Gil say something about somebody and it's... It may hurt more. It might hurt more, right? Then somebody else says something, it might not,

because it's, or how long a guy played or certain criteria comes with that. I don't think... Just take Shaq, Charles Barkley, and Kenny, right? What they always... People take digs at Shaq... at Charles about. They win the ring. They win the ring, yeah. They can't... the ring. Yeah.

So it's... What the fuck, Charles? You ain't never win nothing, motherfucker, right? So that's what KD comes back with and says. It is still Charles Barkley, but from the players, we don't throw championships in the argument.

So if Charles says something, we're listening to what he says right you you were mvp you went to the highest level you lost to michael jordan there's no it don't matter but i'm gonna take him over kenny right we talk about pressure shots and this and this kenny really never been in that position. He was a role player. Right, he was a role player, so he only has a certain... Right, right. Right? And then Shaq would trump that, right?

Like, if I'm talking about pressure shots, hitting game winners, I can talk about it, but Melo... Yeah. Melo's going to have another level. Dwayne Wade, their doors would open up another level. So when we start talking about playoffs and stuff, there's people that everyone trumps everyone. And I also think in our game...

And how you score, too. I think in our game, I could be wrong. I think we have more former players that are analysts than the NBA. So we get a little more I say in our feelings because a lot of what's happening to us is oh, he's not doing this He's not like this and this and this or he's not he's not playing with effort. He's not whatever and our Return for that is bro you you was in those locker rooms. You know how this go, man. Don't act like them. Like you didn't play.

You was me one day. At one point, you was me. Stop acting like a journalist. You know, like, so like me. I got to go do NFL Network later. When I crossed over, one thing I tried to do is make sure that I grade the play and not the player. Because if you grade the player, then a personal element comes into it. Instead of he's playing the game, grade how he's playing the game. a lot of my former colleagues and NFL Brotherhood members is when they cross over,

they get fully into media mode instead of being a player who's talking about the game from the experience of being a player. You're talking like a journalist. Now you sound like you didn't play, and you did. But sometimes you got to think about who's writing the questions and who's giving the format of conversation to talk about. I'm on that side

now. So you end up getting stuck with it, right? And we have the same thing. You know, we try to be fair. Like, we don't try to, like, when personal shit comes up, we know we don't fuck with that. Right. Like, we usually make a joke about it.

Like, when it comes to players themselves, for the most part, 60-40 is going to be the worst unless we just don't like that personal player. But for the most part, we try to stay somewhat like, if we don't like him today because he did something, I might like him tomorrow. Right, right. Might like him. So we're going to be flip-floppy, but that's the way you're supposed to be because the game is changing.

Yeah. Right? The skill is changing. Right? I mean, for the most part, if a coach is bad, he's usually always bad. But a player, you know, like, we try to be as fair as possible. But if we are biased, you know we're biased. Right.

We gonna be on bullshit, but you're gonna know it. So for the most part, you just don't take that serious because I'm gonna be on bullshit. And do y'all gauge the game based off how it is now or how y'all play it?

Like when y'all watch the game now, y'all like, man, that ain't, the game is evolving. That ain't really... Like I don't do it for the stars, I don't do it for the stars. I don't do it for the stars. Yeah.

I do it for role players. Like, I be like, damn, this motherfucker get ten threes a game. This nigga fifth option. That's crazy as hell. He getting more shots than Reggie Miller. That's sick. That's crazy. Like, you know, that.

Like, the star players like the star players and star players but like mine is more like with the third fourth options getting some of these opportunities that just Y'all watch y'all don't watch the game, you know watch Like I don't watch the game. We watch it like when I watch it. I just want I don't watch it I asked a question of the day, right? Yeah, we Like, I don't watch the game. We watch it. Like, when I watch it, I just watch. I don't watch it as a... I asked a question the other day, right? Yeah, we watch it for critiquing. I don't watch it and be like,

I'm going to sit back and enjoy football. That's what I... I asked a question the other day. Put your hand here. What are you doing? So I asked a question the other day. Are you watching or are you critiquing it, right? I'm critiquing it all the time.

You're watching film. You can't relax watching it. I said it the... I asked a question the other day when all of those was on the couch, didn't I? And you're critiquing it, man. The whole fucking time you're watching, you can't fucking relax.

Only thing I enjoy, I enjoy watching football, right? Because I never played it, so I understand it, but I don't know the ins and outs of it. So I understand where I'm watching the whole scheme. I ain't just watching the ball. I'm watching the whole play, but I still don't know everything that's going on, so I can fucking enjoy it. So I understand where I'm watching the whole scheme. I ain't just watching the ball. I'm watching the whole play, but I still don't know everything that's going on

so I can fucking enjoy it. Like, goddamn, that was a good play. That's how I do basketball. Yes. I'm a disrespectful fan. I know enough to be like, oh, I know that was

that and this and this. But like you said, he's supposed to cut here and all that. You can see it. Like, I sit and watch y'all show, and y'all say something,

and I'd be like, well, shoot, let me get my notepad out. Because I didn't even know they're talking on a level, like, if I had three more of my colleagues, and then you were sitting here,

we would say stuff that you would be like, man, what does that mean? But if I broke it down simple, then, you know. So, Rashad, we see you have leaned up. Yeah. What's on your mind, playboy. So, Rashad, we see you have leaned up. Yeah.

What's on your mind, playboy? So, when you watch the show... Yes. Right? And you hear the professional opinions of these guys who got credentials. What do you think when I give my piece, when it comes to the validation and credentials

one does not have, speaking on things that one has never done. Do I sound like the crazy one? Well, we all know you're the crazy one. You sound like the crazy one, but that doesn't invalidate what you're saying. To an extent.

No, it don't. I don't think it invalidates what you're saying. To the extent that there are levels to talking. It is. There are levels to talking. To an extent, I can only participate. Well, on our show, we have a segment on our show called... I can't talk about what it is to win a championship.

So, I played for a long time. But there's certain conversations we can't all have. Like, K-Mart. I just said. But it doesn't mean that you invalidate what you're saying is invalidated.

It don't invalidate what you said. Like, we have a segment called Players Only. But then Ed Reed came on the show and they was saying, like, Gold Jackets Only.

So I knew, hey, that is Michael Irvin, Kurt Warner, and Ed Reed. They're talking from three Hall of Famers. I'm going to go over here and get ready for the next segment.

But if we start talking football again, now we're talking at an all-pro level, all right, let me work my way back in. But now we're talking at a Hall of Fame level, champion, champion, champion. I'm going to go sit my black self over here and let them do their thing. But if they ask me,

hey, what does it take to win the playoffs? I know the best team to always win the playoffs. The team who is hitting on all cylinders wins in the playoffs. What does it take to win the playoffs? You got to be able to run the ball, stop the run. You're not beating nobody running the ball. You're not winning the Super Bowl running the

football. I know that. But if they say, all right, what is it like getting ready for a playoff you know nfc championship nfc championship what's the game plan so that's where i stepped looking so if um top 75 party goes down and there's the top 10 guys at the table i don't know how i got there somehow i'm in the room somewhere somehow i'm at the table am i allowed to speak at the table. I don't know how I got there. Somehow I'm in the room. Somehow I'm at the table. Am I allowed to speak at this table if we're talking hoop?

Yes. Yeah. Because your experience is all your experience. Yeah. So at what point am I not allowed to be a participant in the conversation? If we put it in certain parameters. Yeah.

If we put it in a certain parameters. What does it take to win a championship, Rashad, on the NBA level? I would assume it takes teamwork. See, the key word in that is assume. Right. But where am I wrong? Because you don't know. You need teamwork to play the game of the game, right?

I understand, but we want it, though. Yes, but. Blanket, yes. Blanket, yes. It all depends on what is the conversation. But we want it though. Yes. Yes, but blanket. Yeah blanket. Yes No, it all depends on what you're but you're conversational I'll just apply it was a blanket. My thing is this if we're talking basketball Yeah, right. There are levels of guys who experience different things at a basketball level But there's still the IQ. There's still the understanding of the game.

It's the base. From the foundational level, like what we know the game. What Mike was able to teach me, certain guys didn't know, gave him advantages. It didn't make him better than these guys because he knew these things. He had advantages, right? So for me, there's perspectives from certain players

that get ignored because they never did a certain amount of things to get respect by players said players in a room let's say you've never done these things right so you can't speak on it now granted these same players that you're that you're ignoring and that you're silencing are the guys who know not only more than you know about the sport but probably is better than you at the sport but never got the opportunity to prove said so for me i'm like all right how is it that every time we had a conversation there's got to be but probably is better than you at the sport, but never got the opportunity to prove said. So for me, I'm like, all right,

how is it that every time we had a conversation, there's got to be somebody getting ignored because he didn't do this, he didn't do that. Now, there is expertise because you can't go into a conversation with a contractor that actually builds buildings and tell him what he does and you've never done it. I get that. But if I've played and you've played

and we've been in situations to make it certain places Whether it be playoffs or a championship. It shouldn't invalidate or say You know, I can't had a comment Yeah, I got an example like I think I had a show with Calvin boy and we were talking about the San Francisco 49ers and How losing a Super Bowl, how do you come into the next year and how can that drain you? The San Francisco 49ers went Super Bowl, NFC Championship, NFC Championship, Super Bowl. Now they coming in, but they've lost. Kyle Vannoy won two Super Bowls with the Patriots. They lost to Philly

and they came back and won it the next year versus the Rams. The question was, is there fatigue from going that many times? And what do you have to do to get back there and get over the hump? I can't answer

that because I didn't do that. But Kyle Vannoy, who is not the level of player that I was, he's actually experienced it as a person who's been on the team and lost the Super Bowl, but then we shook back and we won. He was a starter on the defense. He actually contributed big time to that defense playing well in the Super Bowl to win it. If you broke down me and Kyle Vannoy as players,

my career is here and his is where it's at. But he can talk about that on a level I can't talk about it on because I just can't. I can't. And I feel like if you're sitting at that table and we're talking about the game, can because you played the game the highest level is the nba but then there's levels within the highest level so that doesn't invalidate you but then if they go into a certain situation what does it take to win back what does it take to win

back to back what does it take to be down three two and still win the... You don't know. And that's where you say, you know what? I don't. I can assume that it's, like you said, I can assume that alright, we got to rally together or we got to do this or we got to... No. We don't know if it was we finally figured out they scheme and we... This is what we had that we don't know

because we ain't been there. Like, I don't know what it's like to have fatigue from losing the Super Bowl and come back and win. I don't know what it's like. I know what it's like to have fatigue from losing the Super Bowl and come back I don't know what it's like I know what it's like to be the guy on the team and have to deal with Very game. So as a former player if we're watching the game We know the game well enough and we can see the reasons why you lost the game We're not allowed to speak on those reasons. Yeah, yeah, all this if we've been in that situation before I've never been in a situation that you're speaking about that's granted the reason why

you lost. Never been there. But I'm watching the game and I can see where you guys lost. As a player, I see the rotations you didn't make, subs y'all didn't make. These are things that happened. This is the reason y'all lost from my perspective. It said being invalid because I've never been in that sit and I understand the dynamic who's saying

it's a no no no no okay specifically this is also good but all the players feel the same right a lot of players feel I'm subliminal right now because we're talking about the football shit but it's a lot of niggas okay let's start way like you shouldn't be talking the way you talk if you haven't did X, Y, Z. But I played well enough to know the game.

Let's try it like this. All players, anyone who played the game, you are automatically a pilot in the airplane. Thanks. Right? You're automatically a pilot. Yes. Some pilots are better than others, but the player themselves going to practice every day,

you are the pilot. There's a fucking door now. Media, and you went to school for media training and all that, the furthest you can get is a stewardess. Right? You can knock on the door, ask some questions, get inside, call the

motherfuckers, what y'all doing up there, and then you can relay that to the fans, right? You're automatically here. Now, the only thing that changes is how many flights you had. Did you fly through storms and all of this like like when charles barkley talked i can't say shaq's word is better than yours because he has five rings that doesn't that doesn't do it for me or four rings that doesn't do it for me your rings though you just had a better team was he was he on the same caliber was he on that same stage as a player you're that's all that matters right yeah right like ai if we were if we're talking about different certain jackets motherfuckers get in the hall of fame and gold is the the highest standard and shaq got a gold

kobe got a gold motherfucking ai got a gold. Kobe got a gold. Motherfucking AI got a gold. Zero rings, gold. Patrick Ewing, gold. Charles Barkley, gold. That's just how it is. Right? Your rings don't put you in these different categories. Because some people got five gold, seven. They don't have the expectations of being the bus driver.

And that's how I look at it you know what i mean there's just certain there's certain conversations certain people can have like i you got chefs and shoe chefs man i got like what i'm saying is like you know what i mean it's it's for your party to be waiters and bus boys if you're throwing a hundred man party and you got to cook for them and you only got two people helping you and he got 50, of course his party's going to be more successful. Don't mean he's a better chef than you. Yeah, everybody's judging the success of the party because of how it went. But there's players that don't got rings that's way better than some of these Hall of Famers.

There's Hall of Famers with rings that was lazier than the motherfucker that's my so you can't there's a there's a dude when you talk about work ethic right work ethic and practicing and training hall of famers i don't give a fuck what your jacket says your coaches your team major they said you was not a hard worker so you can't tell me what it takes to work hard. Just like if somebody says, like if a player talks about load managing. If you wasn't a player that was load managed, shut up. Right?

If you didn't, before the road trip, hey Gil, can you come in here? Alright, so look, we got five games and four nights. Pick a game. Extra game. No, I mean, sorry, four games and five nights. Four games and five nights. Eight a game. Extra game. No, I mean, sorry, four games and five nights. Four games and five nights,

eight games in ten days. I'm in that room where they're having the conversation like, all right, we're going to... Pick two games you're not going to play or you're not going to practice.

I'm having that conversation with them so when someone talks about, oh, load management and shit, you never had that conversation where a coach tells me, I'm not playing you these games. Right.

Like, yo, coach, he's bad on defense. I know. But we can win this game without you. We can't win that game if you're not 100%. So we're not going to play you on the back-to-back. Yeah. Right? So, you know, there are certain players that's already been,

when it wasn't even loaded. I remember, if you can go back before before I play like 81 games in Washington 80 games It's all I always missed the one game before we went to West Coast trip. I was told to Right so it's all whatever you experience at a high level So Jerry, we know you tell somebody about scoring, niggas have got to listen. One-on-one movement, scoring, foot placement. You know what I mean? Not nowadays. They won't see it.

If they can't see it and they don't see it on YouTube, it never happens. It never happens. Who is that, though? Fans and players. Who's teaching them? That's what I'm saying. Remember. Remember this.

Always remember this. That's why I say the plain acknowledges the best. Who is the customers listen to? The review the reviews now who are they listening to who's telling them everything that's going to the stewardess the stewardess Oh, you said the old for the plane the stewardess is telling them everything that's going to pop They not talking to the pilots. So when the pilot do speak like for the most part we sit in there listen motherfucker All right, so we don't buckle the seatbelt and listen this we ain't listening to, like for the most part, we sitting there listening to the motherfucker. All right, so we gonna buckle the seat belt and this and this. We ain't listening to that shit for the most part.

When that motherfucker, choo-choo-choo, hey, that's the pilot speaking, niggas be like, huh? Yeah. Fuck's going? It's not a fact. Ah, ah, ah, ah. That's so true. If you plug into the movie, it stops.

You can't even keep listening to nothing else when the pilot's talking. You're forced to listen to him. And that's when people got to start understanding. You've been told how to look at this game from stewardess. The pilots are now

talking. The pilots are talking. You guys are trying to say, fuck what them pilots talking. I want to listen to the stewards because they know better. Okay, what is the Iverson cut and how are you supposed to play it? Tell the stewards to tell you that shit. Tell the stewards to walk you through these motherfuckers. They don't know.

You know what I mean? And that's the thing that we're fighting with. That's what he's fighting with. He's fighting with the ideal of, like, he's a champion. College, I can't, I don't know. I can't talk about winning. When he's talking about the playoffs and going to that champion. First round, second round.

Here's just from an outside fan standpoint that played at a high level. When I'm listening to you talk, I just told y'all, when y'all are talking, y'all are saying stuff that you may bring some up, you may bring some up, and then he'll use a term, and y'all are like, yeah, that. Take pride in that part

of it, because you played the game, you know the game, so y'all can talk in basketball terms of this is what this is, this is what this is, this is what this means, this is how you do this, this, this, and this. If they can't do that, if they can't, man, forget them.

Because if you can't tell me what a slip block is versus a reach block versus a bump scoop versus an overlap, I can't sit and talk football with you. I'm going to be honest. I can't. We can discuss and debate like, oh, well, Aaron Rodgers is going to be this and this.

We can have fun with that. But I can't sit with Gil and talk basketball. I can't. I just learned recently that a pin down is what KD becomes. Like, he like he Katie I'm thinking it's just a pink Katie come on they ain't great coming off picks my boy's like bro that's a pin down what's a pin down you see what I'm saying like I just all I'm saying is this to be honest I really don't give a fuck about what people think about whether I know the game or not I really I really don't

it's for the people who don't get a chance to talk their shit because they don't got the credentials. Niggas that I know put in the time and the work and they don't get to say I played 12 years or I was seven times All-NBA or any of that, right? And the credibility comes to, in the podcast game now, it's what's your credibility? Who going to come listen to you?

Blah, blah, blah. So for me, it's important to be able to be in these conversations. If you know your shit, know your shit. Talk your shit. Stand on it. But to me, I've never been a nigga that's going to shy away from a challenge. To be in the front room with the five niggas

that's done everything and still be in there and try to cook them niggas. It's a challenge for me. Yeah, I ain't never done it, but motherfucker, I'll guard you this way. Let's see if you would have been successful doing this. I'm going to challenge the notion regardless, but I like that

about certain people who just refuse to take no for an answer. It's just not going to be the answer. If I'm put in a room and I got a challenge in front of me, and you give me an opportunity like you've done to really go out here and talk my shit, I'm like, yo, I want to be an example for a nigga like that that never got that opportunity to talk his shit.

Because he ain't got enough credit. He ain't got enough, but it's a take one nigga to believe in to you, one man, to believe that, hey man, this nigga funny, he know his shit a little bit. You know what I'm saying? It's not credibility for me, it's credibility for the people. That's what separated one, two,

three, and four versus one, 2, 3, and 4 versus 1, 2, 3, and 4. It's the fact that I can walk into this gym or walk on this field and say, yeah, I'm about to dog all y'all. I don't care who out here. Jer, we appreciate you. We know you got to take off. You got to get to NFL Network.

I got beef brewing, too. With who now? Old head, too. Who now? Oldhead, though. I don't know what I said to the oldhead, because, you know, I don't... Former basketball player? Yeah. Did he play for or what?

He said, why would I listen to Gilbert Arenas? What did he do? Oh, Mark Aguirre. Yeah. Mark Aguirre. We all got tagged on that post. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why...

Let's talk about it. I don't know why he did it. Before y'all talk about it. Before y'all talk, Gerald got to go to NFL Network. No, we don't need... Wait, look. We ain't even going's talk about it, but I don't know why he did it. Oh, yeah I'll talk about it. I'll try Jerry guy go to NFL. No, we only look we need to Gerald McCourt pull it up Got multiple jobs today man Gracie and when we do watch parties, man We's have got to talk about it. I want to let you know why. Hey, listen, the reason they scored is because he wasn't in the B cap. Absolutely. And I will just merely hope, you know,

I am the stewardess in this particular analogy. So, Gil, your captain, what would you like to say, sir? Oh, shit. I'm going to kill him on the individual level. I'm just... Put your ass on, dude. We got to ask the other side of the question. We're on a plane right now.

We got to make sure the weight balance so we can stay up in the air. Is that my cut? Yeah. So are we talking about Mark McGuire? Because the video that was posted, we're all tagged in it. I know. Mark McGuire went to what's... I don't know why he should have stayed out of this one.

So what was the... So what was it? Mark Guire from Chicago went to DePaul. Went to DePaul. Number one overall pick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huh? The number one pick in 1980.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. So what happened? Nah, he just... I mean, he just basically... It ain't the laughing. I mean, no, the host was laughing because he thought McGuire was eating

because he said, my credentials. Like, what are my credentials? Why is anybody listening to him? I don't have no hardware. You also said you were only at the highest level for a couple of years, so why should people listen to you? Exactly my point.

Exactly the point that I was just making. Exactly the point that I was just making. Exactly the point that I was just making. But if I say this, if I say... So did you mention him specifically? No, hell no. He was talking about what he talk about. He was cooking up the 80s and 90s, and I think we was talking about the skill shit with Ant-Man.

Yeah, because Ant-Man said it, right? But if I said you was a 6'6", undersized, power forward that had to play the three, couldn't shoot a lick, wasn't even an all-NBA player, as a number one pick, and you only won a championship as a third, fourth option to the second pick in your draft, I would be wrong for that. I would be wrong for saying that. Right?

Be wrong. Couldn't dribble, couldn't shoot for shit. Right? You undersized, power four, so you played at three. Had a bunch of layups and rebounds. Wasn't good enough to be an all-NBA player. And if we want a grade, I was an all-NBA player by the age of 25, three of them. It's only 11 of us at that age. You wasn't

one of them. But I don't want to do that, old fella. I was just speaking for, you know, what Ant-Man was saying. And y'all trying to change the outlook on it. From his position, he has to go against

himself damn near every night. That's all he's saying. He's saying Jordan in his position, athletic, right? This is what it is. MJ himself was the girl with the titties and the ass. Everybody else had one or the other. There wasn't a lot of players as shooting guards we're not

talking about the point guards we're not talking about the we're talking about in michael jordan there's not a lot of people in his era that had both and next we're talking about ant-man from ant-man was talking about before kobe got got in so that's from 84 to 95. Right? So this is not Dwayne Wade. This is not even Kobe. Because he said when Kobe came in, everybody was, oh, shit, what is this? Because he came in, he looked different than everybody else. So everybody in between that, did they have both?

Ant-Man and the rest of them. The hoodies and the two of them. The hoodies and the two of them. Okay. Everybody Ant-Man and the rest of the hoodies and the two. The hoodies and the two. Okay. Everybody Ant-Man is going against, they now do have the ass in the titty. So. Yeah, you're smarter. The 80s.

Listen, you are smarter. Your IQ level is a lot higher because you didn't, you couldn't do the things that they could. You couldn't jump over everybody. You had to learn how to dribble, pump, fake, do all this. The evolution has changed it.

Right? So from his evolution standpoint, when he looks and goes back at the film and he says, yeah, y'all can't do it, I can do it. He's right.

But that's the only film. So my question is, he's not fucking right in either. I don't... Who? Ant. Well, how much bad...

The boy's 23 years old. Uh-huh. He's fucking 23. Right? Mm-hmm. My son is knowledgeable of the game. KJ is the same age as Anthony Edwards. He is very knowledgeable of the game.

Mm-hmm. Not finna have a history conversation about basketball with KJ. About who was skilled and who wasn't. Because you know how much basketball KJ watched before? He's only been on this earth 23 years. You're not going on the internet and watching certain clips and being able to come tell me who has skill and who didn't.

That's my point and all, right? We all knew Michael Jordan was the man. We all fucking knew that. No secret. But you just say he's the only one with skills, said all that shit. Your point is invalid to me. So the whole statement,

the whole conversation from the beginning... It's crazy. ...was... I wonder how y'all talked about it. For me, it was... For him to say it is bold as shit because it's invalid, nigga. How?

You ain't... How much basketball do you think what you just did? You just want everybody else has skill they had to do this this this that was the skill that they had to have And in order to be played that's like this, but they didn't have Football girl, but it's like to be speaking on all over you. Yes it is. But the thing we're in statement I didn't watch much back. That's me. I'mammer, though, is that I didn't watch much. I didn't watch much back then. That's me. But he's already saying I didn't watch much back then. So therefore, you shouldn't be speaking on it. Right.

No, no. See, that's the... You shouldn't be speaking on it. You can, though. But it's invalid. It can be invalid. Yes, it can. Because his skill level, when he looks at this,

this is basic to his skill level. But you can't speak on the history of it, because you didn't watch everybody playing. But if I say my Ferrari is 10 times faster than your Ferrari, that's a fact. But not if you've never seen. You never. Did you line Ferraris up? No, you haven't.

You haven't lined up Ferraris. How do you know? You don't know. How do you know? You really don't. Because I know back in 1980, your Ferrari only goes 140. That's the fact. So.

Mine goes 260 now. So when you're going to get. Do you know what I mean? But they. Yes. Then your Ferrari only goes 140. That's the fact. Mine goes 260 now. So when you go get them, you know what I mean? Yes, then your Ferrari was the fastest. Did you line them up? I don't have to. Yes, you do. No, I don't.

Yes, you do. Zero to 60 is the same. If yours only go to 160, mine goes to 260. Top speed. Top speed. 150 is the most it's going to last. I'm at 240.

There's nothing you can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it. Speed and array, how do you know? Huh? How do you know? Because evolution says it. How do you know? You only can go this fast.

How do you know? Because that's what the cars governed at. So have you lined them up? But that's the rule. Have you lined them up? I don't need to. Yes, you do. I don't.

To know facts, yes, you do. No, I don't. You can assume. But then, yeah, you assume. It's a V8. It's a V8. These are V12s now. There's a fact. They're both V8s. No, I don't. You can assume. Yeah, you assume. It's a V8. It's a V8. These are V12s now. There's a fact.

They're both V8s. No, mine's a V12. How? Mine says 260. I can drive it to 240 max. You can drive yours to 140 max. That's just a fact. Have you lined them up?

I don't have to. Yes, you do. In order to get the data, you got to line them up. In order to get the data, you got to line them up, Gil. He didn't see. Especially if you're saying if you're going to win. If you're going to line them up, Gil. He didn't see. Especially if you're saying if you're going to win. If you're going to win,

how much did you win by? So it wasn't 450 players. How many seconds did you win by? So just take one year in the 80s that he's speaking of, right? Just take one year, right? What, you want to take 88? Don't matter what year.

89, 80. Just take 81. Okay. 82, 83. Do you think he went back and watched? How many players do you think Anthony Edwards went back and watched in 82, 83? So you think he went back and watched... How many players do you think Anthony Edwards went back and watched him play in 283? So how can he fucking speak on it?

Never seen this player. Never seen that player. How can he speak on something he never speaks? He never seen niggas like that or handle the ball like that. You're trying to dive into something. Yes. I want to dive into it. Yes.

Because you can't speak on it. He can. You can have an opinion. Okay. Facts. But you can't... But you can't invalidate the. He can. You can have an opinion. Okay. Facts. But you can't, but you can't invalidate the rest of the guy's skills.

That's what I was just saying, man. Yes. That's what he's doing. If Michael Jordan was a level 10. Yes. Right? Okay. His skills at that time

was a level 10. Yes. And everybody falls under that nine. Right? Nine. Did he say that? No, if it's nine. But he didn't say that.

In this era, if these guys are tens and these are nines, all you do is just compare the nines. The skill has evolved. It was disrespectful the way he said it. He's looking at it from his lenses now.

In a disrespectful way. Yeah. In a disrespectful way. There ain't no way them guys didn't have skills like guys in the 80s said nothing about the 60s but nobody gave a fuck but we're talking about now though but what no you're talking about somebody that made a statement right we're talking about one particular person that made a statement on the 60s and give me somebody wouldn't they wouldn't hold our jock they were right

nobody nobody cared nobody said it I'm saying it right now. You have, for me to speak on somebody about the 80s, I didn't play against them dudes. No, it's another thing. If you watched it, though, you went back and watched. You're like, no, I actually watched them. How many games did you watch? Exactly.

I watched this man. I actually know his game. And they actually had skill. So for you to speak on it. The skill was the skill then. Just like Olympics now, right? We watch Olympics now. These Olympic guys,

what is Simone? Simone Biles. If she says, back in the 60s, that's trash. Y'all is not as skilled as me. She's right. The skill that they had in the 60s and the pole thing,

that was the very high skill then. That's not her. She can only see what she has and judge down. If she was to, would it be disrespectful? It's a bad way of thinking, but she can't see it no other way. Would it be disrespectful if she did?

If she did say that, would it be disrespectful? If she was to say, yeah, they was cool back then, but they didn't have the skill like me. Right? But you can't be disrespectful in it. That's all I'm saying. Like, you can't discredit them guys.

But everybody's done it. But Shaq disrespected every other big man's skill. But it comes from the one game. Because like to everybody's point, what has he won to be saying this shit? That's the difference. So therefore, so now if he say that, they got to come back. So they got to come back now when he says that.

That's what everybody's complaining about, having hardware and magic saying what he's saying. He's not saying he's better. I'm not saying that. He's saying he's more skilled. That ain't what I'm saying. Evolution gives him. But you can't speak. Okay, you can say that, but you can't speak on them

God skill set and said that Michael Jordan was all you don't when you haven't watched say that when you say when you when you haven't What I haven't seen it. You can't say that. Yeah, he's literally like that's a oxymoron He's saying it and he did. Okay, then then for argument's sake who is competing with Michael Jordan skill set You go back and watch I'm asking go back and watch. I'm asking. Go back and watch. By Drake's player, Dominique Wilkins. So, so, like skill set?

Go back and watch from when Michael Jordan got drafted. Dominique and Clyde. Not athleticism. Right. So let's, so let's ask in the titties.

Who had the athleticism and the jumping ability? I mean, the athleticism and the skill as Michael Jordan. Probably Clyde. Oh, shit. Clyde.

Clyde was the closest. So Clyde was the second closest, and then Hakeem. Well, we can go back and watch. Right? I'm not going to speak on it because how many players at the time, we're speaking on 84. We got drafted in 84, right? Mm-hmm.

From 84 to whenever. Probably wasn't 450 then. 450 players in the league. Then probably wasn't that. Probably like 23 teams at that point. Yeah, so that's what I mean. So I can't speak on... I can't speak on a guy...

226 people was being drafted. Okay, so I... Damn. So I can't speak on the fact that I didn't see each team play and knew what a guy could... whether the guy could motherfucking do this shit and go to shoot in one drip. I don't know that fucking shit. Mm-hmm. Because I didn't see him team play and knew what a guy could, whether the guy could motherfucking do this shit and go to shoot in one dribble.

I don't know that fucking shit because I didn't see him. There could have been some guys that could motherfucking hump one dribble. We don't know that because we didn't see each and every guy because they highlighted who when the motherfucker came. So this is my thing, Anthony Edwards, like you're 23. Until you go back and watch however many games was played in the 80s and looked at all those two guards that played that position from 80...

To 93. To 93. Until you go do that and do your homework in that regard and not say in the same statement, well, I really didn't watch them motherfuckers play. It's...

I've had six kids. I can't go deliver the motherfuckers It's the fuck. I don't I've been in the room You guys I can't deliver you guys are not factoring. Well, like if someone today if if Gordon and Levine says We don't better than the 80s Do they have do they really have to watch the 80s dunk contest and know they do nobody I did that's what I'm saying or everyone when when Kai when they say Kyrie has the best drink like Kyrie has the best

dribbling skills out of anybody we've never watched everybody but we know evolution gives them that because there's just dribbling moves that that wasn't allowed then. I understand. And that's all I'm... I understand, but he said the skill set is what I'm saying. So we don't know, Gil, if a motherfucker could one dribble, two dribble, pull up like Michael Jordan was doing. We don't know that.

We don't know if the nigga had the reverse pivot. We don't know none of that. No, okay, so I had a conversation with somebody in the 80s, and when we talked about it, he said the problem with the statement, he said, he's with you, he said the problem with the statement is he didn't define Michael Jordan,

like, he says, I know what he's saying. He's saying all the cars like him. I understand what he's saying. He said Michaelordan's car was yes what you said yes he was athletic and he was skilled if he's just talking about skill then he's then he will be wrong with just the skill because that that brings in now the larry birds right that brings in all the guys who could not jump or do that they had to be very technical and skill and then you had the athletic guys who didn't have this no skill they just jumped over

everybody see jordan was a mix of both yes so unless you say skill and athleticism then he's going to be wrong if he just says skill because the guys who couldn't jump chris mullen and all they were very skilled players right mitch richmond and all those guys they were skilled but that wasn't michael jordan michael jordan was skilled and athletic yeah so that's more you anthony edwards in your time players are more skilled and athletic his statement so his statement is if so the to make the statement you got to elaborate and, and he's limited in his vocabulary and his knowledge of the game to give a real answer in that moment. Because you haven't watched enough basketball. You ain't played enough basketball yet in your lifetime to be speaking on them dudes.

So that's what the the The statement for them guys was disrespectful Right, you disrespected a whole fucking decade of basketball and a lot of basketball players with that statement You shit on them dudes career them dudes hall of famers very skilled very so they felt shitted on, right? And that's just, so guys now have a, they can go out and say, no young fella, you fucking wrong. I'm one of the guys that say, no young fella, you badass, absolutely. And so are them dudes.

It just look different. It just look different. You just gotta stay, the real problem is just what all of us, right? We can't unsee what we see. Yeah. Right? So that's why everyone should stay in their era. Right? If you was a 10 in your era, you was a 10 in your era. Right? These guys are 10 in their eras. It doesn't make anybody 10 better than others. They were handicapped by the rules and the regulations of what the NBA was then. That's why

I don't like when people say, y'all soft in this era. Because the rules change. If I had to play that way, I would have to play that way. But if you tell them that they have to play this way and you put them in your era, they're bigger, faster, stronger than you. So you're telling them they have to play brute basketball

and that's what they have to do? Then they're going to do it. They're going to do it. Absolutely. You allow Kenya Martin to knock you out the motherfucking air? Yeah, he's going to do that. He's strong enough and big enough to do it. The two guards now, everybody's 6'6", to 6'8", 235. That's everybody.

The point guards and Lucauka and all these guys. There was no point guards in that era that was ready for that yet. Right? So you have to stay in your era. That's all it is, is you're just staying in your era. You can give your opinion, but not shit on the previous era. Like, when you say it that way, like I said, it came across as if you, like I'm saying, them dudes, everybody has worked hard to get to the NBA, right?

Some guys are luckier than others. Some guys more skilled than others. Some guys jump high, run fast, shoot it better, shoot it, whatever the case may be. You just can't do that. Because, like I said, it comes across as disrespectful coming from a, in them guys' opinion, coming from a fucking kid, basically. So, like... Like, I tried to look past, like, what he was saying and what he meant.

You know, sometimes you got to... What was he trying to say? Dude, it's fucking black and white, man. But that's what I'm saying. You're in media now, so you got to... So you have to have that gray area, right? We have to have that gray area because we have to decipher the bullshit

with real shit with this to be able to have these conversations. Them dudes that played, they ain't got to fucking have no gray area with him. They think,

fuck Anthony Edwards. Right? They say, fuck anybody who made more than him. They said, fuck the 90s, fuck the early 2000s.

Cool, I'm with it. They standing on it, right? As the young folks say, they standing on business. Right? That's just what it is. And you just can't shit on them dudes because we all know Michael Jordan was here. There's no debate that

Michael Jordan is here when it comes to everything from fucking 84 on. Right? We all know that. It was displayed and he displayed it. My thing is it was some other bad motherfuckers that was getting in at during that time in there that was skilled as well Probably not that skilled. It was Michael Jordan over here. Like we keep having these conversations I said let's stop mention like you said over let's stop mentioning Michael Jordan when we talk about Certain things with the game of basketball because you were never gonna see that again

So let's stop comparing everything to that, to what we saw. Because them other dudes could play, it just didn't equate to that. Wasn't nobody else doing that before him? And we ain't fucking seen it since. Might have tried him and come, but ain't nobody seen that yet. I just took it as, I think he was more talking about Jordan Jordan's competition versus Kobe's competition versus his competition. There's more elite

Skill athleticism That he has to face the mix niggas played in Chucks. How fucking athletic did you expect the motherfuckers to be? Like I heard somebody was talking shit. Somebody was talking shit about him and say, yeah, yeah, I couldn't jump over a nickel. Of course you couldn't. Right? But I can put that ball in the basket.

Yeah. He's talking for the duel. He has to go against people that do the same exact thing as him. Right? So, yeah, you couldn't jump. Like, he don't get to play against a whole bunch of Klay Thompsons.

I mean, if he did, that's Jordan, then a bunch of Klay Thompsons. Right? He has to play against more people like him. That's what I said. It's just evolution. Absolutely.

Like, I kind of understood it, but I didn't really... You know, I... The 80s is protected, man. Look, when I heard it, I'm like, he's a young fella. Somebody was asking me, like, I have a... The only issue that I be having with some debates when I hear people talk will be when they... Like my five, right? My five comes from when I understood the game, right?

Your top six, that's for the top five. Top six, yeah. My top six still trying to figure that shit out. I'm really, really confused. It's going to take me a couple years to figure that shit out, right? Like when people have like Kareem and Russell and all and all these guys and I have a problem with that the reason I have a problem with that is I'm born in 82 I'm seeing Michael Jordan's second three-peat yeah I seen the first one

but I don't know what the fuck I'm watching. I'm a kid. The second one, I'm a teen. Okay. The problem with that is we still don't know what we're fucking looking at. Because if we listen to every teenager today say, who's your GOAT? You get mad at the answer. When they say Paul George and everybody older, like like what the fuck are you talking about? Because what they're looking at at this age, they say this, just like what we're looking at at that age. We don't really understand basketball to the point where we get to sit and really judge it.

So for the most part, you can only really start judging basketball from when you really understand the game. Before then, it's kind of hard. Like, we can watch it and say, okay, this guy is good, this guy is good, but when you let the kids talk today, they tell you who their GOAT is, and nobody likes it. Just like when we said who our GOAT,

you couldn't tell me Penny Hardy was the baddest motherfucker on earth, because I had to watch him before Jordan came in Right it's it's It's that's why I like when you tell me to judge Kareem I can watch film But I seen Shaquille O'Neal Right now while being a pro I seen Shaquille O'Neal. I don't know what part of the film you're going to think that's going to say,

okay, Kareem is better than Shaquille O'Neal. Never. No. No, I was in locker rooms hearing, hey, we're going to bring in boom, boom, boom. That nigga work at Gold's Gym, dog. Like, I watched the double teams and the triple teams and Allen Iverson. Like, I've watched

this. I'm on a court. I understand. You know what I mean? Like, so I... It's hard for me to go back and look at this film and dissect it in real time when I had to go through game plans and the shit didn't work. My son asked me the other day. Fuck, yesterday.

Dad, did you ever dunk on Kobe Bryant or Kobe Bryant dunk on you? I was like, yeah, we probably did. Did you ever block him? I said, yeah. He said, did Shaquille O'Neal ever dunk on Kobe Bryant or Kobe Bryant dunk on you? I was like, yeah, we probably did. Did you ever block him? I said, yeah. He said, did Shaquille O'Neal ever dunk on you? I said, Shaq dunked on everybody, Papa. And that's the badge of honor.

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It is fucking hot. Got him turned on AC? I don't know, but we got a heat wave coming up. It's supposed to a motherfucking head. Yes, Gil. Yes, Gil. It's fucking hot. Got him turned on AC? I don't know, baby. We got a heat wave. It's supposed to be like 106, 107 later this week. Let's get our mind first. 106 heat wave. 106.

Yeah, that's hot for the Valley. But we've got a video question. Y'all didn't turn the air on. It's baking in this bitch. It's 83 right now? It's 83. Okay. In here.

In here. Bikram Gills Arena. But we got a video question from underdog user YoungHog2010. What's going down, Gills Arena, man? I'm trying to catch up on the show. They've been working me too hard, man. Since y'all technically a football podcast now, what would y'all football equivalent be?

You know how they say Brady is the MJ of football? What would y'all be? And also, would y'all switch any careers with any football players, former or current? Love the show, Mike.

And we always appreciate y'all when you are watching the show, when you ask your Mostly Fans question. So who is your NFL equivalent and would you want to switch careers with any NFL player? NFL. Harold Carmichael. I mean top. What I'm talking about?

Top 100. Wide. Yeah, I just went for the tallest receiver ever. Yeah, you heard that. All right, let me see. 100 wide. Yeah, I just went for the tallest receiver ever. Yeah, you heard that. All right, let me see. I ain't going to even see Megatron. Okay, hold on. I got to get the list.

I got to go through the first 20, 35. Michael Orp... No. You're not quite there yet. My gorp now Josh Gordon Fuck up skilled before 25. I got it. I do I get to do it before I got hurt Yeah, this is your show. That means I'll be a three-time Pro Bowler Early I don't even know who that is. But I'm going to go with... Okay, he's white, so no.

No. Not even close. No, no. I don't even know his name. So I got to go with somebody I know. Chad feet too good for my... The Chad, as always. A little out of pocket.

Chad, I need help. Marvin Harris. I don't think you want their help. Yeah. Chad, I need help. Marvin Harrison. I don't think you want their help. Yeah. Hey, you, hey, fuck it. Marvin Harrison. Marvin Harrison? That's good.

Marvin Harrison's in the hall. And? Keyshawn, Keyshawn. And he bust that thing, allegedly. Keyshawn. No, I wasn't. That's what the chat is saying. Plaxico Bear.

I wasn't athletic like Randy Moss, right? Plaxico Bear. That's what the chat is saying. Plaxico Bear. I wasn't athletic That's what the chat is saying. Plaxico Bear? I wasn't athletic like Randy Moss, right? Plaxico Bear. He called you Plaxico.

Chat is saying Plaxico. Hey. He was big. He's a big man. He called you Plaxico. Because he passed? Who? Who y'all talking about?

Who you just said? Keyshawn. Keyshawn who? Johnson. You be more like Ocho. Possession receiver. Ocho? You Ocho,? Keyshawn. Keyshawn who? Johnson. You be more like Ocho. Possession receiver. Ocho?

You Ocho for sure. Yeah. Ocho? Rashad, how about yourself? Yeah, Ocho. Okay, I'm Ocho. Who's your NFL comp? Quick feet, get off the line, talk shit.

Right? Get to the line, tell them over, you ain't gonna be able to stop morale. Shit like that. All right. I have, oh, Reggie Bush. We got a lot in common. Reggie Bush. This is, lot in common. Reggie Bush.

This fucking dude, man. What do you have in common? What do you have in common? We got a lot in common. We lost it all at the same time. We did a lot of shit together, man. He introduced me to the fucking, yeah. It's not Reggie's fault?

Was Plexiglas good? It's all Reggie's fault, for sure. He was good? Plexiglas? Reggie, you know it's your fault. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, he damn good. Great decision.

He was tall? 6'5". Had a lot of potential. Had a lot of potential. 6'5". Took the wrong route. No, Plexiglas was nice. I got to try to do it before they get injured, man.

I mean, before they get, like, who were mean before they get like who were they before like should So he was Marvin Harris was a badass Yeah, Reggie. Oh, no Reggie was good. I'll say oh for you. I'm quick feet Tilly you already know yeah same thing Her car Michael so young Hell karma, what team was your? Harold Carmichael. So young. Harold Carmichael. What team was that? Eagles.

What'd you think? I was gonna say Al Michael. Yeah, nigga was like 6'7", 6'8". You know, he tall as shit. Not Marv Albert? Not from the NFL side. Come on. Marv.

Marv out here biting. Marv was, you know, doing some things too. Not gonna go John Madden. Ooh, I like it. Hey, what's his name? Hainsworth. Hey. What's his name?

Hainsworth. Charles, somebody say you Mike Williams. Somebody say you Mike Williams from USC. Mike Williams. That nigga was not. Hey, what's his name? Haynes Worthy? Hey. What's his name? Haynes Worthy? Somebody say you Mike Williams. Somebody say you Mike Williams from USC. Mike Williams. That nigga was nice. You know what? Oh.

That was my best friend growing up. Mike Williams. Mm-hmm. Mike Williams. Somebody said I'm Hines Ward. That nigga said I'm Hines Ward. Tampa, Florida. We were Tampa, Florida boys.

Our grandmas lived across the street, so we used to play with each other all the time football baseball and then I'm I moved to Cali Basically from birth till probably what 10 when I left You learn something new about Gil every single episode Mike will my way was the beast that one-hander. Who's a legendary? He could play basketball, too We didn't get to get to the Caitlyn shit, man. I was going to enjoy that. You are back tomorrow, Rashad.

Todd Gurley. Todd Gurley. Gurley. Running back with the Georgia. We are stretching the show out into September. Now, I don't want to be no running back. Oh, you know, I'm football. One thing, y'all don't know, I don't know the football knowledge over here.

I don't want to be no running back. Yeah, I will be Jamarcus Russell or Reggie Bush. A lot of potential. Yeah, a lot of potential going in. A lot of potential going in. That's definitely Jamarcus. A lot of potential. You know what I'm saying?

Just didn't go the way it's supposed to go. Sometimes it works. Somebody said Gill is T-boy. Nigga, fuck you. Wait a minute. I wouldn't. Somebody said Gill is T-Bone. Nigga, fuck you. Wait a minute. I wouldn't... So who would you trade with? It's a two-part, right?

So who would you trade with? Who would I trade my... They said, would you? My basketball career? If you could... No, I wouldn't trade with a football player. Damn.

Glad Jeremy McCoy has left the building. Okay, how about yourself if you wanted... Which was just throwing shit out there fucking Why not just say Tom Brady? We go like we just for shits and giggles of an argument where we don't you know, you know them super black

So why would you want to treat me with a white man? Oh? My career Yeah, yeah, we just talking about successful careers. Successful careers, that's it. You know how they do, right? On that note, we appreciate y'all. I'm going to say Pat Mahomes. He likes getting in there. Fucking Mike Tomlin then. Mike Tomlin. The fuck? We appreciate everybody in the chat pulling up,

tapping in with us in September. Appreciate it. We are back here for you folks. We're doing shows all September long. Gerald McCoy. Appreciate Gerald McCoy for pulling up to the arena. Hey, Vir. Hey, Vir.

Appreciate the connect, man. Move Around Podcast. What up? Move Around Podcast. Like and subscribe, as always. But this has been another episode of Gil's Arena, presented by Underdog Fantasy.

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