Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Debates If PG's Injury COOKED The 76ers!!

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Gil's Arena Debates If Paul George's Injury COOKS The Philadelphia 76ers as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to another injury for PG early into his 76ers Career and debate if this run of bad news following Joel Embiid, Paul George, Tyrese Maxey and the rest of the 76ers squad is enough to derail their season just 15 games in. Next, they break down the New York Knicks finding their stride as of late as Jalen Brunson, Karl Anthony Towns & the Knicks have ripped off 4 straight wins including last night over the Phoenix Suns, sparking a debate on if the Knicks are back in the conversation at the top of the Eastern Conference & if the Suns need to panic if they can't win without Kevin Durant. Finally, they react to The Houston Rockets reportedly turning away the thought of trading for Giannis Antetokounmpo and discuss if the Greek Freak's trade value is actually lower than we think before reacting to LeBron James taking a break from social media after a rise of negativity has taken over NBA Media. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin, Sheryl Swoopes & Lexie Brown Ride or Fade Gil's Pack HERE - https://play.underdogfantasy.com/pp-ayCdYnqKpY Gil's Arena Merch is Available NOW at http://gilsarenamerch.com/ Use code GIL10 for 10% off your SeatGeek order https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL10 Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:01:58 LeBron's Social Media Break 0:09:14 Lexie On The Sparks Offseason 0:20:20 Caitlin Clark Held Out of Unrivaled 3on3 0:35:49 The 76ers Are COOKED!!! 0:42:04 Jared McCain's Success This Season 0:55:28 Embiid Wanted Jimmy Butler 1:00:19 Luka Doncic Suffers Wrist Injury 1:05:50 Are The Knicks Back To Normal? 1:22:34 Suns Are Fading Without Kevin Durant 1:30:00 Knicks and Rick Brunson Under The Microscope 1:42:22 Houston Rockets Say NO To Giannis Trade 1:49:38 Lakers Give Pat Riley A Statue 2:00:01 MostlyFans 2:10:13 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yes, sir. And the back says what? Greatest 55th pick of all time. Prince? James Jr. James Jr. Why not just put brownie? Huh?

Why not put brownie? They should do it soccer style like that. Just put the first name. Yeah. James Jr. Yeah, I don't like James Jr like that. Just put the first name. Yeah. James Jr. Yeah, I don't like James Jr. either. Well, you're wearing a jersey. I like Bronny better.

That custom Adidas. Me too. Now, Patti Mills is not the greatest 55th pick of all time. LeBron James Jr. is, based on marketability. Producers are in my ear right now. But that's neither here nor there. How everybody doing? We feeling good?

Yeah. Okay. It's a great day. Teams on a six-game winning streak? No? No? Okay. Just us?

Cool. Just us? Right? Just us? You know what I mean? You know. Today is game day. Really?

Longest winning streak. Yep. That's why you're wearing a mask. Yes, it's game day. We back. Really? We're going to play San Diego. It don't matter. It don't matter.

They're getting cooked. San Diego. San Diego wins. Why are you so quiet? Why are you so quiet? His team sucks. My predictions hold true. I'm just soaking, basking and then glory.

Yeah, I'm thinking twice about my pick. Didn't I pick the Knicks with you? I'm not talking about the Knicks. I'm talking about Don Connect. I'm just talking about that. Westside Connect game, Connect game. You be banged. Westside Connect game, Connect game.

The one they didn't want. Now they want them now. Oh, no. We wanted them. We want all our picks. Now they wanna We're rolling Visionary Ross said that back in this is

But this is gills arena presented by underdog as always. We got the legend Gilbert arenas here with us The Dave timers. Dame time. Yeah. I need Bronnie to get the game time, so you got to mix it in. I thought you was trying to coordinate. Coordination. Kind of, but it's still Dame time. You coordinate a little bit.

We got four-time WNBA champion of the world, Cheryl Swoops, back on the couch with us. And the man they call Cemetery Larry. There it is. Rashad McCants is back with us. We... Stop. They're not used to seeing you.

We worked hard for that. We practiced for that. I got to make sure mine is off, too. It was good. Well, we got a lot to get into today. Before we do, for all those out there, we still have two viewing options for you. Our traditional version, our vertical mobile version.

Pick whichever one you want to watch. Just make sure you support your favorite show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today. The Celtics gave the Cavs their first loss of the season, snapping their 15-game winning streak. Does Jason Tatum deserve more love in the MVP conversation? Oh, gosh. The Lakers improved to 7-0 at home for the first time since the 2001-2002 season.

We know how that season ended. Has 17th overall pick. Dalton Connect solidified himself as a starter moving forward. I think that 37 piece he just dropped might have something to say about that. And the NBA reportedly has plans for a new All-Star game format. But what can the league do to bring excitement back to All-Star weekend? You see it? Is that Steph's hair you're looking at?

Or why are you making that face? No, I'm just saying a new format. Another one? Another format? I know. Try to get people to watch, girl. Support. Viewership is on the...

I got a good format. On the down, down. Down trending. I got a very great format. Where is it going to be this year? It is going to be San Francisco, Oakland. Oh, there's nothing they can do about that one. Where is it going to be after that?

The greatest city on earth, Los Angeles. Okay, where is it going to be after that? No clue. Phoenix. Okay, when it goes back. What is your idea? My idea is if you want people to care, take it away from them. Oh, okay.

Okay. So what you do is you take it away for one or two years, and then everybody starts getting mad because they ain't got shit to do. Well, how do you choose which year you take it away? If it was in, like, Indiana last year, they could have did that. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. No doubt. Utah, they could have did. They could have did these last two years right here,

and then bring it back in San Francisco. It's been gone for two years. Everybody's like, oh, shit no doubt, no doubt. Utah, they could have did. They could have did these last two years right here. And then bring it back in San Francisco. It's been gone for two years. Everybody's like, oh, shit, All-Star weekend. They care again. I agree with that. We're going to talk a lot more about that in a little bit. But before we do, if you want to get your bread right, go ahead, download the Underdog app.

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profit boost on this entry, so make sure to take advantage of that. So like we said, Gil, you went four for five yesterday with only Jalen Brown coming up short. You had him higher than 29.5 points, rebound and assist. And he got to 28. Tough loss right there. As soon as I seen it, it was like a little blow.

I'm like, come on, man. But tonight, you got Giannis, higher 5.5 assists. That's interesting. Donovan Mitchell, higher 3.5 rebounds. Come on, dog. Steph Curry, higher 24.5 points. Went against his little clone. He gots to be great.

Okay. And Clint Capella hired 18.5 points, rebounds, and assists. Oh, he's playing against Trae? Okay, I see. Yeah, he got to send a message. Playing against Donovan, he playing double. Yeah, he averages a double-double. He got to send a message. He averages a double-double. The assist is free.

How does everybody else on the couch feel about Gil's picks? Solid. Okay. Except for the last one. Double-double, the assist is free. How does everybody else on the couch feel about Gil's picks? Solid. Okay. Except for the last one, Kud. Yeah. What? He foul out or something.

They always get goofy at me. I know, right? That's the only one I was going to question, Mark, besides the last one. The other ones, I think, are... Yeah, solid. Yeah. I'm not saying it won't happen. I just said a question mark. The last, what's the name of the game?

29-1, so that's 30. 18-2, that's 20. The next one's 29. Then 23-4, 24. Then he had a 60, 70, 18, 19. He's still 14-14-1, 20, 29. So he's hit it every time. Uh-oh.

And if he don't hit it today, I just thought about it. I'm telling you. If he do not hit today, how it happened, and not hit today, there's a problem. That's why I stopped playing. I'm reading the last four games. I'm like, oh, ain't no way he not gonna hit it. Ain't no way.

We asked the chat, are you riding or fading Gil's picks? Not are asked the chat, are you riding or fading Gil's picks? Not are you riding Gil, are you riding Gil's picks? 56% are riding. This is the chat. I'm just telling you, I'm watching in real time. I see all their comments. Just think about it before you say it.

I'm just making sure they know. Well. Giannis' five assists, Golden State defense, I mean, he might be passed a little bit. The five assists is easy. He tried to get a triple-double. He gonna get a triple. Mm.

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So we've been talking about the decline in NBA viewership this season. One area that is in desperate need for improvement is All-Star Weekend, also known as the Black Super Bowl. The NBA All-Star Game is often criticized for its lack of competitiveness, specifically on the defensive end. Last year's All-Star Game was won by the East, who beat the West by a score of 211-186 in the highest-scoring All-Star game in NBA history, but also arguably the most mid in recent memory.

So to combat that, Shams is reporting the NBA is considering a new format for the 2025 All-Star game at the Chase Center in the Bay Area. So it'll be a new four-team tournament for the 2025 All-Star Game. Consists of three teams of eight All-Stars each and the winner of the Rising Stars game. Sources said league officials discussed the concepts in a competition committee meeting this past Friday. So there will be still 24 All-Stars selected,

12 from each conference. The 24 All-Stars will be broken up into three teams of eight players each and will also include the winner of the Rising Stars game to create a four-team tournament. They had this format in the Rising Stars game, right? It wasn't the worst, but... The fuck is the Rising Stars in there for?

Because they hungry, Gil. They're trying to get that bread. It's Rising Stars. I mean, it's first and second year players playing against real all-stars and you think they have a chance? Zachary Reese, I can't. How many players

is 12 and 12, right? Yes, sir. Won't the fuckers just do 6, 6, 6 and 6? Won't they just do fucking 6 on each team? Play a fucking quarter? Who's making up the shit y'all got? How about this? Have a prize

at the end of every quarter. Ta-da! You say a prize? Prize, like... For the team that wins the quarter. $200,000 for the team that wins the first quarter. Awarded. Second quarter, team who wins the second quarter, $200,000.

Third quarter, fourth quarter, which means every quarter is playing very hard because they want the $200,000. Yeah. So according to report. Then whoever wins the most quarters, you can give them extra bonus. And then if it's 2-2, fuck it. Whoever had the most points... Over time. Right, it's, it's, it's, come on.

So reports say that Steph Curry and other all-stars had input on the idea as well. Does that change your opinion of it? Dumb. Damn, kid. I'm, I'm, okay, listen. I'm sorry, kid. Okay, listen. I'm sorry, Steph. I'm playing against LeBron James.

Fair. Right? Bronny potentially. I'm playing against Giannis. I'm playing against Giannis, right? And then I'm playing against... Sachet? Right, I'm playing against the rookies? The sophomore game? That's who I'm gonna be playing against?

Like, if I'm not playing hard against this group, why the fuck am I gonna play hard against this one? It doesn't make any sense. Where's the accountability, Cheryl? You was an all-star, you went up against them all-stars at the all-star games. You play hard? Am I a vet or a rookie? Younger.

Well, yeah. You had to think about it. You had to prove yourself, right? Well, if I'm a rookie, yeah. If I'm younger, yeah. Hell yeah. Of course. Rookies, yeah.

Mm-hmm. So all those guys that come in first, second, third year... But if I'm a vet... ...you know it's all-star time. It's time to prove yourself. Yeah. I'm younger, yeah. Hell yeah. Of course. Rookie's yet. So all those guys that come in in their third year, you know it's all start time. It's time to prove yourself. Yeah. I think that's that

they're trying to come up with a format to make these guys play harder, which is... But that's not gonna... That ain't gonna... That's not gonna do it.

If you don't want to play hard, they're not gonna play hard. No. We're in the era of guys who don't care about playing hard. We, as the audience, have to accept they don't give a fuck. No doubt.

About you crying. Customer service is not around. I like Gil's idea because if they know, and I don't care how much money they make, but if they know there's some money on the line, that's going to make them play a lot harder. At the end of every quarter, so that means we got to come out all that shooting, 50 fucking threes, and I can win an extra $10,000, $20,000

at the end of this quarter. No, dog, we're going to play harder. No doubt. I ain't nothing but a stripper now. Yeah, does money make you move? That's right. Give me my money. Give me my money.

The money got to make you move. That is nasty now, right? It don't matter. That now I can throw money at you to get you to do some stuff that you're supposed to do? Because look, I'm already giving you money to twerk. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I gave you 50. You already getting money to twerk.

I already seen that dance. You already been doing the dance all season. What happens when you pull up? Think about it. You already paid me. I got my little money happens when you pull up? Think about it. You already paid me. I got my little money. Well, show me.

Show me. You pull up the big wide. Show me the twerk. I see more money to get. Twerk, twerk, twerk, twerk. But you doing the same move. You doing the same move. Pull that 100.

Might throw the leg up. Might throw the leg up. Yeah, boy. You go, I'm going to shake that 100 out of you. Mm-mm. Oh, you just, come on. So you like the new format? I just feel like they're just creating an escape goal for the players.

So we saw... I'm just saying, I agree with you. Just get rid of it. Larry Bird went into the locker room and said, guys, come on. This time, let's play hard. Okay. And they went come on. This time, let's play hard. And they went out there. This time, let's play hard. I mean, the last time they didn't. Did the same thing. He's like, damn,

I went in there and I said something to him. So we saw NBA Cup last season. That $500,000 grand prize. Some teams played hard. Some teams said, you know what? It may be early in the season, but we're going to battle the odds, give the fans what they want, and win the first ever NCAA tournament championship at NBA Hill.

Other teams did not. What I'm saying is, so you put $500,000 for a prize, and they started this tournament cup. How was the play last year throughout all of it? Great. Yeah, for some teams. How is it right now? The intensity is up, right?

So that didn't, the example right there didn't register in your brains to say, maybe we should just put a grand prize. Instead of at the end of the game, if we want to compete throughout, a prize at the end of every quarter. Just start at 0-0. Every time. Now it makes even the people who come off the bench. And now it makes you want to coach, too.

Because now you got to coach to win because you get a bonus, too. So you sit here usually subbing in. LeBron ain't going hard. You're about to sub this person. Steph ain't going hard. And now you sit here like, yeah, I'm going to get you at the beginning of the quarter, big dog. Let me finish with this. I need to finish, and

I need to win this quarter. Think about if it's 2020. What you think that defense is on that last possession? Lock up. Like, if he hits this, they win the money. It's sad, man. I mean, it's sad that they got to do this, but... Because you're supposed to be your representation

of the best players that are in the league, and it's a privilege to be... But it's sad that they got to do this, but... Because you're supposed to be your representation of the best players that are in the league. And it's a privilege to be, but it's not. Seen as the best players in the league to showcase why. It should be. To showcase why. Tell us why. Show us why. Because the best players in the league

ain't always on that team. Which is even more of a showcase for the guy who got picked to showcase something. Something. Because you got picked to showcase something. Something. Because you got picked over somebody who actually everybody feels deserves to be here. So shoot, show me something. So last All-Star weekend, they added some excitement with the Steph vs. Sabrina three-point contest. People in the chat have said, how about a one-on-one battle?

I'm going to take it a step further. LeBron vs. Bronny. But LeBron got to play with one hand or the Brian got to play blindfolded One-on-one verse Bronny. Hmm Y'all watch that over the all-star game. I know my knee dead. You know handicap. Oh man King. Oh, man Can't go like that You gotta start at half court here you started a half court you get about three dribbles. Three dribbles back. I got that. Bronny, there's Bronny Speed. We need Bronny at the All-Star.

If they really want to get people to watch, you need Bronny. You need Bronny playing in the All-Star game? Doing something. Voting man? Hanging out. Relax. Is this about views or personal feelings? Right?

But on a serious note. Is that Bronny and Caleb Clark or that motherfucker? Right? But on a serious note... Does that Brony and Kaylin Clark with that motherfucker right now? We good. Well... But this is... In the All-Star weekend in general, it's lost its lust or lost its shine.

Of course, it's been in cities that people don't necessarily care about. The league shifted that mandate to bigger cities that could accommodate international travel, get more fans out there, no more of these layover cities.

But what does NBA need to do to bring excitement back to All-Star Weekend as a whole? You know, sometimes, you know, sometimes shit just run its course. Mm. Right? And, you know, you add little things here and there, like the dunk contest.

Ain't the dunk contest anymore, right? You know, if you don't have the dunk, like, if you don't, like, the dunk contest is not necessarily about the names. It's about the dunk, and dunks make the name, right? Like, winning the dunk contest is what actually makes your name sometimes. Yeah. Right? It puts you on the map to win that. So sometimes there's guys

who can represent the dunk contest that you don't put in there. The three-point contest, we have that. There might be a time where you do put a one-on-one contest because that is personal. That is something that I personally want to win. no different than a three-point contest, right? Nobody's going out there. Just chucking throwing it up there. It's a it's so it's just me

I don't have to worry about nobody else's energy. It's just me to win is that shit Yeah, one-on-one you can fuck around do a two-on-two You can do a two-on-two in a one-on- one on one you gotta figure out something that takes away playing I'm here playing around I don't know what the fuck they did the last one where they bouncing the ball into the hole and doing all the stuff

the stupidest shit ever bounce the ball in the thing we gonna throw this we gonna do that we gonna play like fuck all that dumb shit that's not competitive competitive is put a dude in front of me and We're trying to win something now. Now you will see like we watch one on when we watch online We watch one-on-ones right? They damn you about the fight

Every clip we watch that will be the same thing in the NBA Because now it's about my pride the whole world's watching. I'm not gonna be sitting here fucking around with you. Like, sitting here, ah, ah, ah. No, you're gonna be trying to embarrass me. I got a guard, Luka, Kyrie, or Shea. I'm not sitting here trying to just throw the ball up and chuckle. You guys are trying to embarrass me.

But the difference is, there's being picked for the All-Star game and then saying, I want to be a part of the All-Star game. When you say you want to be a part of it, that means you're participating at the maximum. Yeah. Right? So think about all the guys who are asked, who don't want to be a part of it, feel obligated.

Mm-hmm. And they get there, they don't want to do it, they don't want to win it. They have no competitive spirit. Mm. Right? Mm-hmm. And we get there, they don't want to do it, they don't want to win it. They have no competitive spirit. Mm. Right? Mm-hmm. And we could just say something like, just from friend to friend, athlete to athlete, if we got a goal right here

and we all got past the ball to make it, we all trying to beat each other. Mm-hmm. For sure. So it's like, where is that spirit? That spirit has gone. It's disappeared. So if we did get rid of the All-Star game, what would it do to the fan base? What would it do to the morale of the league?

You're getting rid of one of the premier places where we can showcase the best players, not just on the floor individually on their teams, but against each other, taking the challenge. Well, yeah, but you're not really showcasing that because they're not really playing. Exactly, which is the mockery of it, so now you have to change it,

which, like he said, it runs its course. Yeah. Which it has. If you really think about dunk contests, if we done seen all the dunks we done see, ain't too much more we can see. And if y'all not doing it, and there's somebody outside the league that's doing it,

what's the point of the dunk contest? Three point. It's supposed to be skills, right? We're supposed to be showcasing skills. Three point contest. If Steph don't shoot every time, Klay don't shoot every time, and Dame don't shoot every time,

we not gonna get a real winner. Trey Young not going. Like, y'all not going up against each other to win. We don't know who the best shooter is. And that's the thing right there. Like, you have a three-point contest, and you're going off of percentage. Yeah.

That ain't the fucking best. That ain't the best. Like, he shoots fucking a half a shot a game. Right. Right, he shoots 70%. That is not a value. They're volume shooters. Yep.

Volume shooters is people who are taking a lot of shots. You can really see how good they can shoot. Yep. Right? So some guy who shoots one or two shots a game shooting at a 60% clip, that is not a three-point marksman. No.

So, question. So last year, the Sabrina-Stef competition, people like that or no? They enjoyed it. They enjoyed it. I didn't. So, you didn't. No.

I enjoyed it. I thought they was reaching. No, I... No, look. I enjoyed it because she shot from the NBA 3. Yeah. Right? And...

Yeah. Well, damn. Right? It kind of, like, put perspective in how good she can shoot. So here's my question. Mm-hmm. Do you have a competition where, instead of it being Steph versus Sabrina,

they're going against each other, do you have a team? That's what I was thinking. Steph and Sabrina are a team. Yes. Now, Kaitlyn Clark and whoever is a team. Yes. And another WNBA player and an NBA player is a team. They've talked about potentially expanding it out

to making it two-on-two or another format like that. And does that make it more exciting than what they did last year? Then you would have to do this. You guys can't pick the teams. You pick captains and say, all right, here's my five captains here in the men's side. Five captains on the women's side. You captains pick who you because we're players We know who can shoot the fucking ball. Yeah

Let it let let Steph go pick his player that he want to shoot with most likely He's gonna go get clay or or probably or at the fan. Yeah, let the fans pick fuck. No You know why he done with us Because all of the guys can shoot. Everybody can shoot. No. It don't matter whose team you're on. But why? I think it makes it more interesting if the fans. Yeah, because it don't matter.

It's like random select. No. You don't know who on your team. Yeah. The fans are like, I want to see. I agree. Are you Sabrina and Clay versus Caitlyn and Stack? I agree.

Let's see them two together. No, but what I'm saying is, like, then let the team already be picked. Like, I don't want a whole bunch of people being picked and they're not the best. Right? No, I'm saying among the best. No, we're saying a pool. A pool of all the best shooters and the fans get to pick who the teams are.

Who's on what team. You already know that here are the five guys, here are the five women. And then the fans get to vote. I'm going to put Sabrina with whoever. Trae Young. Yeah. Yeah.

Fair. You know. Why can't we let Steph pick Clay? Because it makes it fun for the All-Star game. Remember what we're trying to do. We're trying to make it more engaging. We're making it more engaging, though. But it's still going to be competitive because you supposedly have the best of the best.

Yes, the best of the best. So it's still going to be competitive. No matter who's on what team, we all can shoot. Yeah. For sure. It's okay, sir. If I'm Clay, if I'm Curry, I want my Splash Brother. I've watched his work ethic.

You don't want your Splash Brother. You just let him walk. You don't want that work ethic. You don't want your Splash Brother. You just let him walk. You don't want that, man. You don't want to hear that. Yeah, but he... We're not responding to the text. I want him. Now you have KD.

KD is going to pick the guy he knows can shoot that shit. We might not know who that person is. Let him pick not to compete against us. But it still makes it more exciting, I think, if the fans are the ones saying, mm-mm, this is who we want to see. This is who we want to see. How do they know who the greatest shooter is?

They only go by percentage. No, they're going by the pool of players to pick from. And who's picking the pool? We are, I guess. That's the problem. Who's picking the pool? The players who actually, like you said, volunteer. Who wants to be a part of it?

Because we're not going to force them to do it. So we ask Clay. Yeah, because when you force them to do it. So we add Force them to me. That's when you don't get shit. Yeah, like example the women's three-point shooting contest this year Sabrina was like, oh, I want to shoot But if you ask her to shoot This next year in the NBA all-Star like she did with Steph,

she's all in it. Absolutely. So the point of you don't force them to do it. Just say who wants out of the best three-point shooters we have, who wants to shoot in the three-point contest? Who wants to prove they're the best. So another question for you guys. Does City have anything to do with it?

Like as an All-Star, are you more excited to go to Vegas versus Salt Lake City? Yeah, but that's the problem. Like, there's going to be some times where you have to fluctuate, no different than just life itself, right? Certain cities, you need to pay a little bit more to get people there versus, like, you know if it's in L.A., right? If it's in L.A., I don't need to convince. I don't need to throw $50,000 at a player it's in L.A., right, if it's in L.A., I don't need to convince. I don't need to throw $50,000

at a player to participate in L.A. This is where you want to play. Utah, I might have to, hey, I got $75,000. You know what I mean? I might have to do that. Why not do it like the Super Bowl and just have a six-city rotation, seven-city rotation? It should be that way. L.A., New York, Vegas,

Houston, Atlanta. No, New York. No, New York. Okay, well. Too cold, city's not big enough. Like, I mean, it's... Yeah. I mean,

we're talking about February. February has to be in a place where everybody can go and wear the shit that they want to wear. Like, you know, the women want to wear

shit that attracts men. You want that shit in a hot city. Okay. No doubt. No doubt. You know how I look? Ashy-ass legs and elbows in Chicago. They're trying to wear some skirts going to the club.

Very cool. Weigged and flew 50 miles. Hold a bunch of ball. Cold. Shaking. Over there sitting there shaking. Weig of bald heads. Call her chicken. Over there sitting there shaking. Wigged and forgot. What's that?

Hey, baby. God damn. I was in Chicago for all-star week. Did I just get her number? It was cold. It was cold. I can't stand you. I can't stand you. You can walk down the street, Chicago, Cleveland, without, you know, ears start burning because it's so cold.

But we asked the chat, are you a fan of the new All-Star Game format? 73% said it's dumb. All right, but let's get into some basketball. 73%? 73% said it's dumb. It is dumb. The one they're trying?

Just tell them players to play hard. And I'm sorry, one last question. So will they do a draft? Like they've been done before? Yeah. Like the captain-captain? Since it'll be three teams, though. They took that away. Probably do three captains, let them pick eight, seven guys per team.

The captain picks seven players for the three. And then the rising stars. Yeah, you got- Blame. Yeah. Or they put them all together, so- In a pool. So that means, like to write a one rising star

Captain and then you got like okay So let's say Steph or LeBron and then Giannis then it's those three captains Then they're gonna be picking players and then the rising stars team that wins that rising stars competition how they say I think you just take rising stars from the sophomores Whoever the sophomore whoever they players are that win their softball like cuz I'm pretty sure. Because I'm pretty sure how many rookie teams actually beat the sophomore team? Has that ever happened? We got Konek. We got Bronny.

Has that ever happened? How many times has that happened where the freshman team actually beat the sophomore team? So basically the sophomores. So it's Winby's group. Yeah, you're right. Fair, fair. Now think about the Giannis and the Steph or LeBron who's picking for their team. You really think they're going to pick?

The only person that will be picked, like, top will be Wimby. No, I think they'll just have their own separate team. Then it makes it even worse. The Rising Stars will be their crew, and then the 24 All-Stars will get divvied up amongst the actual All-Star players. But it's, how many? It's 8, 12? 8, 8, 8. So how do they pick the 8 from the Rising Stars? And then I think the Rising Stars teams

are 8, 8, 8 too, if I'm not mistaken. So it's four teams? It'll be four teams total. Four teams of 8 playing against each other. So four from the rookie class, four from the sophomore? No, just whoever that, I think that Rising Stars team that wins. The Rising Stars team is 12 players, right?

They split those up into 8-8-8 or 6-6-6 or something like that. Wait, wait, what? The Rising Stars game is already that format. It's three different teams of eight guys and they all play against each other. And how do they determine the winner? It's dumb. I didn't care.

I play against you. If I beat you, I play against you. I beat you, I'm good. That's it. It's dumb. I didn't care. I don't know. I play against you. If I beat you, I play against you. I beat you. I'm good. That's it. It's over. Yeah.

First one to win two games. Yeah. First of two. Yeah. And moving on, let's talk actual real basketball.

And Adam Silver's NBA. That is dumb. So 15-0 Cavs pulled up to Boston for their second NBA Cup game. First meeting against the defending champion Celtics. Jason Tatum continued to show why he's not only the number one option on the Celtics, but needs to be in the convo for number one option in the league this season.

So Tatum delivered his league-leading ninth 30-point game this season, dropping 33 points, 12 rebounds, 7 assists, and two steals in 38 minutes, hitting six of the Celtics' 22 threes in the game. First of all, how do y'all feel about this court? It's like a tennis court. I hate it. It's nasty work. Trash.

Nasty work, nasty work. That's horrible. Trash! The game was close in the first half until the Celtics went on a 19-7 run to end the second quarter, took a 17-point lead in the break. Cavs overcame a 21-point third-quarter deficit to cut the lead to within two, but that's as close as they would get as

the Celtics held on to get their biggest win of the season to date. So Donovan Mitchell led the Cavs with 35 points and 8 rebounds, 13 for 29 from the field, 3 for 11 from 3. Evan Mobley had 22-11 boards and 6 assists. Darius Garland had his worst game of the season going 3 for 21 from the field, 0 for 11 from 3. Evan Mobley had 22-11 boards and 6 assists. Darius Garland had his worst game of the season, going 3 for 21 from the field, 0 for 6 from 3, finishing with 8.7 assists and 31 minutes of action. In addition to Tatum's 33-piece, Al Horford added

20 points, 7 blocks. Al Horford. Al Horford. 20 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks, going 4 for 5 from deep. Derek White had 19, 6 boards and 5 dimes. And unfortunately, Gil, Jalen Brown, 17 and 8 assists. I'm shy of helping you get your partner packed.

It's okay, man. You know what I mean? No, it's not. I'm a, you know, you take care of a lot of people over here, Gil. What do you always say? I don't give a fuck about your parlay. We do care here at Underdog. We do care. So I can already hear you.

So six Celtics scored in double figures in the game, and Boston has now won seven of their last eight games, including four straight. Rashad, you are a former Celtics fan, current Knicks fan. Hope we still have love for Beantown. But what's your reaction to Celtics giving the Cavs their first loss of the season? It's a good game.

Definitely a good game. Garland didn't play well. I expected a little bit more from the Celtics, but, you know, it's what I thought Cleveland was going to deliver to the Eastern Conference this year. It's always going to be a hard-fought game to the end if they're healthy. It's going to be one-two possession game. It's going to dictate who wins. Celtics have more to prove than anybody else. You think as a defending champ, the Celtics still have more to prove? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they can't show faults. They can't show gaps. They can't show

weaknesses that contribute to them ultimately collapsing. You're only as strong as the weakest link. No one's figured out what that is yet. So when they do, it's going to be ultimately up to them to kind of fix it in real time. Let's move to this side, Cheryl. Obviously, Celtics franchise record 15 wins, won a four-team to start the season, 15 or better. All the other ones have gone on to reach the finals. But surprising with the Celtics.

I don't think a lot of people, if you told them Celtics would be 15-0 to start the season, they would have believed you. But here we are. But what do you think about the game and the Celtics handing the Cavs their first loss? Well, I didn't watch the game, but I will just comment on the Celtics. Anytime you are the defending champions and you're coming into the season, you've got to show up. I know some people are like, there's no pressure,

but you're the defending champions. You know everybody's going to give you their best shot. And considering the Cavs had not lost, you knew the Celtics were going to want to come in and give them their first loss, but Personally, I've been pretty impressed with what the Celtics have been able to do So far this season twelve and three second in the East right now The only thing the only flaw I don't I mean, I see that they're not consistently doing this. Like, getting filed. They don't know how to get filed.

And I don't like that idea. I mean, you know, you're better than everyone, but you can dominate everyone. If you understood how to put people in the penalty, right? Put people in the penalty. Get fouled. Because you guys shoot jump shots and everything is trying to jump away from everybody.

Go back to the beginning of the video. Jason Tatum is a jumper. Right here. Two feet, gone. Go back. Right here. Two feet, gone. Like, go back. Right. Now go,

go slow. You jump. Right? Right. There. Like, see, you're going off of two. He's jumping with you. You should be jumping so you're no contact. That should be an N1. Right? He should be able to, if you jump, if you're no contact. That should be an N1. Right?

He should be able to, if you jump, if you're jumping at him, like, it's not like he's taking a charge. He's jumping up. If you jump. Did they call a call right here, though? No, they didn't call no call. Yeah, they called an N1. Oh, they did?

Oh, they didn't end up calling it? Yeah. But that's what he does. Keep going. Keep going. So you're saying he shies away from the contest? Yeah, all of them. Boom.

Now, right here. Like. What you want to do? Go back. Look where he falls. I know exactly what he's talking about. Go forward. So Selfie's currently ninth in the league of free throw attempts per game.

All right, so he falls right there. That's a jump shot right there where his left leg was. Absolutely it was. Now you're going, right? But he wanted a three. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. So, you're moving away. So, Self is currently ninth in the league in free throw attempts per game.

First in the league in three-point attempts at 50.5 per game. Eight more in the next closest team, which is the Bulls, at 50.5 per game eight more in the next closest team which is the bulls at 42.5 i get what you're saying just like i believe that when you don't have a foundational offense that is predicated to getting fouled you're just having to float a free-flowing offense otherwise where you're depending on drive and kick, drive and kick, drive and kick, make something happen. So that play you was just explaining where he

beat him and he stepped back, he's avoiding the contact, it's because it's free motion now. It's just like pick up. It's pick up ball. So if you're running a play and I'm telling you when you catch the ball, you turn this corner and you score it, no matter who's in your way, bro, you're running a play and I'm telling you when you catch the ball You turn this corner and you score it no matter who's in your way, bro You're gonna get that foul like you said I'm going to get that contact to score it

They're not doing that because there's no offense or they took out baiting Well, even if you took out You're not trying but you see how you take something out and there's another problem. See, the problem you had was baiting foul, trying to sit here, pump fake, pump fake, jump, jump, jump. You're shooting too many free throws. Right? Shooting too many free throws. Now you're complaining, shooting too many threes.

Right. Do y'all not think of, if we take this away, what's going to happen? Like, do you not think of that? Like, there's always a reaction to the action. Because if I'm not getting the call, I might as well shoot the three. If I'm not going to get the call, I'm going to shoot the three. Because it's a turnover if I go in there and I get fouled and you don't call it. It's a turnover.

Yep. I'm shooting it. If I come, I come and do the T-Mac Hesi, and you jump and I get you. Now, if I know you're not going to do that, fucking I'm going to sidestep. Yeah. Sidestep, shoot my open shot. That's what you done turned the game into. Your little rules that you're complaining about here is changing something here.

You keep trying to change these little things, and you're not actually. Start talking to basketball players. If we take this away from you, what are you going to do? And let them give you the answer. Versus a bunch of referees who never played the game at a high level sitting there saying, well, you know, they sit here doing this and pump faking and doing this and trying to get the foul. We're going to take this away from them. And you don't know what the recourse is.

So what happens when you do this? Everything's twos. Give it a three-point line. Bring it back. Everything's two. Back down memory lane. What happens to the mentality of the player when everything is two?

Now you know how much of a bad shot that is You know how much accountability you got to take now if everything's to and you're pulling a 40-footer Why well not for stuff, but not for stuff not for dance certain guys It's like you give it to me. I'm gonna take it but it's no longer the concept is threes more than two Well, then you probably have players that want the contact. Yes. So now it's the only way you're going to get that three is... And ones. Yeah.

So now I'm driving. I'm going back to my mid-range. Now I come from... Ooh! Now I start averaging with this talent. 140 points a game. Man, that scoring goes way up. Because now there's no center down there to actually stop us.

Boom! I get to jump through everybody's chest. Foul trouble galore. Go to your bench. But then do you have, on the defensive side, do you have players playing off of you a little bit more?

It twos two. But I'm saying because you're taking the three away, right? So they're going to play, if you're standing back there behind the three-point line, do you have the defense playing off of you like, well, shoot it. It's only going to be a two. Well, picture no line. No.

No? No, because. Picture no line at all. Ain't no line. Shoot it. Remember, these players are stupid. They're still stupid, right? You know, you still got stupidness in there.

So if they don't see a line, it can't get there. Not all of them. I'm just saying they're still stupid, right? You know, you still got stupidness in there. So if they don't see a line, it don't, they can't get there. Not all of them. I'm just saying they're still stupid. I know. I know. Because remember, they made a line. They'll make a line. There's no line.

I might fuck around back up to the goddamn rim. Because I, where do I go? Where do I go? Where do I go? Wow. I don't know this place. I don't know this place. I don't know this place. That's what I'm saying.

You take away the concept of, right, these guys have learned from lines. Like, okay, the three-point line, I stop right here. Okay, below the free throw line, I got a thing to do this, right? You take it away from them. They wasn't taught just basketball. And think about where you catch the ball as a shooter when you see the line where's the logo the fucking logo read the dog ain't no more short tools ain't no more long tools just goes back it goes back

to the 60s it does is the highest scoring era they learn them it goes back to them I'll do whatever that LJ going to still have your pistol piece. You're going to still have the guys who can actually still shoot and you're still going to pick up Steph and Dame from the half court. That's just naturally. Yeah, there are players you have to do that to. Steph don't give a fuck if it's a two or a three.

If you're going to back up and give me my open shot, I'm going to shoot my open shot. And like you said, guys like Vando and all those other guys that played for the Mavericks last year. Jones Jr. You look stupid now. You look crazy. You wouldn't even be out there

to shoot a three like that. Yeah, now because, whoa, whoa, whoa, you shooting too fucking far. Absolutely. Now let's get to your range. That's what we used to say, right? Hey, school in. That ain't your range, bro. What you doing? You know what I mean? Hey, school in. That ain't your range. That ain't your range, bro. What you doing? You know what I'm talking about, yeah?

Like, what's so funny is we know that's not your range, but they're allowing you to shoot it. That's why the game is fucked up. No one's saying nothing. Like, hey, what are you doing out there, bro? Yeah. Oh, well, I'm working on my three. Why?

Corner and deep, bro. You ain't even working on your two. Yeah, that's not what you do. That's not what you do. That's not what you do. Here, NBA. How about this? Huh? This was...

You just do it for one game. Do it in... Do it in... Not summer league, but do it in... What is this shit? Preseason. Preseason. Take away the NBA 3.

See what happens. Right? That would be dope. Then you watch the guy. Watch away the NBA 3. See what happens. Right? That would be dope. Then you watch the guy. That's a good idea. Watch all the shooters and the guys who think they're shooters. Watch where they stand. Unbelievable. I guarantee you

when you start looking at where they stand, it won't be the old three-point line. They're going to start getting to the shit they can shoot. Way closer. Yeah, I'm going to start it. I'm going to shoot. I can shoot. I can make an 18-footer. But shit, I was trying to get three points Then it looks like Looks like the college is shrinks the floor shrinks the floor. So sure you said potentially doing that in the all-star game

Now if you want to make it more exciting no threes Everything is a true. Go ahead. You got a boy matter of the court. Look for Boston and That that tournament setting just take the line out No threes shoot from wherever everywhere you shoot from is equal And then you get to see now like when they do like you take away the three now when he does when we're Jason does A step back. He ain't doing a step back looking for the three-point Looking at the line. Yes's exactly what he was doing. It's a bad shot, too. They're looking at the line.

Yes, they're looking at line hunting. A step back. Where is the line? We say don't line hunt. Stop line hunting. You take your eye off the ball. I'm going to be right here. Because if there's no three, he probably doesn't even do the step back. He doesn't.

You know what he does? He goes back. He's going to try to draw the foul. No, no, no. He pushed him off. He comes back between the legs, to try to drive the foul. No, no, no. He pushed him off. He comes back between the legs, and he goes to the opposite. He goes to the right. Or he pushes it back and just stop right here

and shoot a fucking regular jump shot like everybody else. Like, boom. That step back was like, oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, I got you now. I can do whatever. I can do some jumping jacks. Maybe he comes back.

So you guys talked about Tatum. Let's talk about him for a second and the impressive season that he's having so far with or without the three-point line. So Tatum leading the league in total points, has the most 30-point game this season, and has the most games with five plus threes. He's averaging 30 points, eight rebounds, six assists on 46, 39, 81 shooting splits. Leading the Celtics in points, rebounds, and assists per game this season. Okay, JT Now we saw the the Olympics nubbing the benching We've seen them trying to create a rift between Jalen Brown and Tatum who's the number one option whose team is it?

But what statement is Jason Tatum made so far this season? Should have played me in the Olympics. Mm-hmm. You still got that gold medal. I understand that. No, baby. USA. USA is bigger than one man. I don't think he made any statements. He hasn't made any statements so far this year.

No, I think the media wants him to make a statement. I think just this conversation of him making a statement is, he's being consistent every year when it comes to the first half of the season. That's why he's been where he's been. His name is where is that? Because he's been getting 30 a game, 28 a game. That's the consistent part of him. It's just when it's time to get it done, can he get it done?

That's the question. Postseason, you're saying? Yeah, postseason. It ain't never Jason Jason Tatum has always almost been an MVP for him. Led the Celtics' points rebound assist in the postseason as well, though, right? Yeah, I mean, so when you look at just performance-wise, I mean, he got the tool set. It's just...

Fuck the haters, fuck my fucking... Maybe he's not... outwardly trying to make a statement, but he is making a statement. And even if it's not to the Olympic team or whatever, but he is making a statement of, I am the man. He is. I see your face right now.

What is it for? Not impressed? Nothing has changed. We... We... I feel bad for this... I feel bad for this generation and the generations moving forward. The reason is this.

You penalize someone for getting somewhere and failing. You will penalize that guy, but the guy who didn't get there, there's no grade on him. Right? There's no grade on him, right? Now, if you go by someone who got to the finals, how many times? I believe twice in his career. Twice in his? Yeah. Yeah, loss to the Warriors, 2022. Obviously, he won it this past season.

So he's been to the Eastern Conference finals. With like five, six. Five, six times. They penalize him for losing right he gets to the finals twice they penalize him for losing and then you pump a bunch of guys up who's who never even been there at that same time frame so when you got there when your team was ready, when your team was good enough to be a champion and you won, you get credit for it. Right? Now, his talent got him there.

His team wasn't ready to win. His team was young. You penalized the young guys for being good and winning early. That's not, how's that fair? Like, you penalize a guy for getting to the finals at 19? Why didn't you win? Oh, man. Motherfucker, I come off the bench.

Like, I'll be, you're penalizing guys who's not, like, these guys are 20. Like, if Shea gets there now with the team, you're going to penalize him for losing to a veteran team? You can't do that, man. It has to be context in some of this stuff. So he's penalized for at the age of 26, he's penalized for having success. Five Eastern Conference Finals appearances so far, two Finals appearances so far in his. But see that's the dynamic. What do you mean penalized? Penalized like oh he don't have it, he's not this, he's not that. Like Jason Tatum.

Yeah. Like the media is penalizing him? Yeah. No I just think. Like he's, what he's doing right now is no different than what he's done for the last four years. The definition of winner and loser is what's penalizing him. He's not a winner? All the stuff you're talking about coming to him being second place so many years,

he finally got first place last year. You don't get rewarded for second place. So he don't get no credit for being young and winning early when you didn't win anything you got there see kudos because you know who else got there's a lot of other guys got there that we don't talk about that don't get credit for not winning for being second place so it really don't matter till you win now that you've won you're showing us that it

matters you're showing us that look we win because're showing us that, look, we win because I'm good, but all that other winning shit before time, it's like you was losing. But you win last season, but you don't win Eastern Conference Finals MVP that goes to Jalen Brown. No, man, no, y'all can't. You can't do that. I'm just... No, what I'm saying is you can't do that. You can't say

that you came in second place, you're a loser, but then my same time... I'm saying you came in second place, you're a loser, but then my same time friend... I'm saying you came in second place, you're not the champion. Cool. You're not the ultimate winner. But if you didn't win, you are a loser.

Okay, but cool. No, no, no. I get that. Put it on a T-shirt. I get that. But my six years, I came in, what, third place four times. I came in second place once. What's the name?

Now, I got a guy, his first six years, he didn't even make it to this bitch. He didn't even make it. He don't even have a first place, finally, nothing. And then he gets to the championship his first time at 28, wins the championship. Now his legacy is better than mine. Y'all was on the same level the whole time because y'all both was losing. But that doesn't, how does that

work? Because there's only one winner. But how does that work? Because that's sports though. The same age, I'm in second place, you're in last. But that's sports. Second place last. Second place last. But that's why you always have a chance. That's why I've been saying. You always got a chance.

If I'm last place and I play first place, he decides not to show up and play that night, and we win, guess who won? Man, I'm not supposed to win. That part is true. But my legacy is being pushed behind a dude who got there. He's one for one. We played eight years.

He's one for one in the championship. Buster Douglas' legacy is I knocked Mike Tyson out on one night where he fucked up. He made my legacy. Thank you, Mike. You can't fuck up. You can't be second place and won't win. Aren't there very levels? Everybody's not second place who loses, all right?

You can't be second place and won't first place reward. No, I don't care about first place reward. Everybody's not second place. No, I don't care about first place reward. How is the person who didn't even get there in his time frame get rewarded when he do get there and win? Because he get there. That's why.

It ain't got nothing to do with time frame. No, that part I agree with. Like, is it fair? No. But it's the rules. But it's reality. It's reality.

The reality is you was a loser. If you ain't first, you lost. No, but that's... Your first six years, you was a loser. Like, you was literally a loser. But because you never got there, no one graded you. You get no grade. Michael Jordan got graded for the first six years.

No, he didn't. Yes, he did. No, he didn't. He was a loser. No, he didn't. He was a loser. No one talks about Jordan's first six years. No, we do. They pretend he didn't even play basketball then. No one remember. No, no one talks about Jordan's first six years Oh, we didn't even play basketball. We do

Reason why they don't talk about what he didn't do is what he did. That's what he did I signed it what I'm saying Yeah, because what I'm saying is at the age Where you're penalizing you're penalizing the tatums like right now if say, all right, Tatum, from this age to this age, compare you to Michael Jordan. In reality, there shouldn't be no comparisons then. Why? Because Jason Tatum has a championship. At a younger age.

At his age. He's 26 with a championship. Michael Jordan had a championship at 26. See, so in theory, if you stop everybody at their age as they compare them to the greats, it'd be a different fucking look.

But nobody wants to do that. Yeah, because back then they wasn't letting motherfuckers come out after their first year in high school. It's an age difference before a reason.

It was for a reason. That's the reason. And you're holding that against the conversation. Magic. Technically. It's the conversation we're having. Be honest And you're holding that against the conversation. Magic. Technically. It's the conversation we're having. Be honest.

You're having an age conversation from back in the day where they didn't have that conversation. You're saying one guy. That's not a strong enough conversation. The judge is going, guilty. It ain't enough. Guilty. It ain't enough. Guilty. In reality, the most dominant player from before the age of 30, it should be Magic and Kobe. When it comes to just dominance, right?

Magic had, what, five rings before the age of 30, right? Kobe damn near had, what, five rings before the age of 30. Right? Colb damn near had, what, four? Magic won. Colb won. Jason Tatum did not. He got one. When? 26. Recently.

25. How long has he been in the league? Since he was what age? So you penalize him for being... Since he was... You penalize him for being good enough to get in at 18 while your ass is still in high school? Yeah. How do you penalize him for that?

Yeah, because he's here. Like, how do you penalize him? Like you're saying, Bronny, you don't have to go to college. Just learn from your dad. And you'll be good enough while you're here. Jason Tatum, one year at Duke is all you need.

You'll learn while you're here. All right, you've been learning. What'd you learn? How to get to five Eastern Conference finals? Yeah, it's a little bit harder than it looks, right? It's a little bit harder than it looks, right?

No, it don't. Why would we give you credit for making it difficult on you? Like, it's difficult to win. It's difficult. Like this, like this. You don't get credit for losing. Like this.

LeBron James, right? He went to the finals at 22. 22 years old. 22. They mocked him for getting swept at 22 to Tim Duncan. The hardest sweeping NBA hero. Who mocked him, though? The world mocked him.

You got swept. I thought you were supposed to be the chosen one. When his comparison just got drafted. That's the reality of it, though. You're penalizing so you're penalizing you're penalizing a guy for getting somewhere at a young age even when he's not developed to win he's not ready to win if wimby gets to the championship and lose for all he there's nothing against his legacy you're not even old enough mentally to win yet. But how are we penalizing him? You do.

What is the penalty? He's getting the credit. He's all NBA. He's an all-star. He's on the best team in the NBA. What more credit do you want? But five Eastern Conference Finals in his first seven seasons. What penalties are... That's not impressive. Is he not getting all the awards? He's trying to Beyonce it.

You've got to give him all the awards. No, the narrative is he's... Country, too. You want the country award, too. The narrative is... It was a good song. He can't do it as a number one option. That was a good narrative.

How is that a good narrative? Because they didn't do it. Because they didn't do it with him as a number one option. But everybody... That narrative shifted. That's why they gave the MVP to the other guy. But when was the, what I'm saying is his comparison across the

board, when they won a championship and they were the number one guy, what age were these guys? You got to put everything in perspective. You can't say a 20, age doesn't put it in perspective. You can't say a 19, 20, 23 year old can't win a championship

being a number one option. But his comparisons, they won championships at 27, 28, 29. Like they matured to win this. He hasn't got through his shit yet. So he's, he's taking L's early. Yeah. But you can't say he, oh, he can't win as a number one option. He hasn't defined his game yet.

Yeah, that's what we've been trying to say about Donovan Mitchell, but y'all don't want to have that conversation. Who? Who? Anybody. The conversation you're having about taking him, he can't win as a number one option. They say that about Donovan Mitchell.

They say that about, there's a lot of people they say that about, but if you can't get it done as a number one option it must be true but who did at certain ages like this age like if that's your only argument I don't want to have an argument because the age don't matter get it done or not Magic Johnson got it done at 19 didn't he

but he wasn't number one option alright now you gonna give me another excuse give me another but give me another but you said number one option but he was young though right but but. Give me another goal. You said number one option. But he was young, though, right? But you said the number one option. He was the number one option.

Who was the number one option in the finals? Thank you. All right. You don't want to go here with me because Kareem didn't play in the finals, okay? He didn't play in the final game. He played in the finals. Do you want his numbers in the finals?

Do you need his numbers in the finals? He just missed the last game. Who was the MVP? Do you want his numbers in the finals? Do you need his numbers in the finals? He just missed the last game. Who was the MVP? Do you need his numbers? Who was the MVP? Do you need his numbers? Who was the MVP? Do you need his numbers?

Was Magic Johnson the MVP? Yes. Okay. Because he didn't play in the last game. Read his numbers in the finals. 33.4 points. Say it again. 33 points, 14 rebounds, 5 blocks in 5 games in the 1980 NBA Finals.

Who was the MVP? Irving Magic Johnson. All right. Thank you very much. The Boston Celtics won. Who was the MVP? Who? Recently.

Don't get amnesia. You're a hot seat. You got to answer quickly. Who? Jason Tatum's teammate, Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Who was Jason Tatum's teammate, Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown, thank you very much. Thank you very much.

So who is the young- Urban Magic Johnson did exactly what he's saying Jason Tatum should have done, and he can't get it done, cause you ain't winning. Who is the youngest, how about this, who is the youngest champion- Tuco.

That was the number one option? Can we find that out? The youngest NBA champion as the number one option. Will it be Tim Duncan? Probably Tim Duncan. Probably Tim Duncan. We will research,

but I want to give you Magic's 1980 NBA finals stats. So Magic averaged... 24? 23? Magic averaged 22, 11, and 9 assists in those 1980 NBA finals. Magic averaged 22, 11, 9 assists. Hmm. I was 1980 NBA Finals Magic average 22 11 9 assists probably Tim in the 1980 NBA Finals. Mm-hmm cream average 33 14 and 5 blocks One less game though. Well, that's got to do with finals MVP. Obviously had that and that

22 a game all that in heightened cuz how much it what did a magic have in the last game? They have like 42 15. Okay, something around it boosted it? 42-15. Okay, okay. Something around there. It boosted it up. Okay, got it. I remember. 42-15-7. Three steals, too.

Just saying, you can't pin it. Impressive. So, yeah, so Duncan won at 22. He was the number one option, right? Yes. So he was the youngest? Yeah. I mean, he would be. You got to think about, yeah? Yes. So he was the youngest? Yeah. I mean, he would be.

You got to think about, yeah, he would be one of the youngest that probably won a championship being the number one option, yeah. So we asked the chat, is Tatum the frontrunner for MVP? More than 2,000 votes. 54% said no. 54% said no. Joker's still doing his thing. Missed a couple games. I understand.

That's what I'm saying, man. Anthony Marshawn Davis. Once you get that tag. The NBA Cup championship. It's like they tag you as something, and then they really believe the tag. That's the problem. Like, you would rather not. Like, Luka, you got to the championship.

Your team wasn't good enough to win. You get tagged. You get tagged right now. They still call him Fluka. Yeah, you get tagged. It goes. It's the strike. You'd rather not get there.

Like, it's one of those things that you'd rather not get there until your team is ready to win. No. The challenge is, don't doubt me, be about me. If you don't doubt me, be about me. Man, I'm going to get there. Watch me. Don't doubt me, be about me.

Watch me. I don't need no handouts. Huh. Look, look, look. That's interesting. What y'all over there being secretive about? We got a big turkey in the background. Thanksgiving around the corner.

Listen, what he's going to make me do. Wait a minute. What a shot. What you got over here? He's going to make me use this. What's that, the Rick and Morty? Uh-oh. The official. Uh-oh? He's going to make me use this. What's that, the Rick and Morty? Uh-oh. The official. Uh-oh.

He's going to make me use it. Zappy. No. Because, you know, if you use this, it alters all different universes and all kinds of shit. All right. Got to be cautious. Well, let's keep this thing moving.

Keep this thing moving. Football and basketball are in full swing. Say that again. That's what? No, it's impressive. His numbers are impressive. You said it again. That's what it's Impressive and he gets treated like he's just second fiddle. He gets treated like a Light-skinned brother with privilege. It is unfortunate time. Well, I know he don't yes. He does he gets treated like He is Steph Curry's little cousin is waiting in line. Oh

Waiting in line mommy Oh, he would have had MVTs by now. He's waiting in line. Mommy, I'm next. Wow. Well, let's keep it moving. You see Jalen Brown over there mad. I'm going to push him down the steps tomorrow. We got some more important basketball topics to discuss. But football and basketball are in full swing.

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I'm done. What happened? I'm done. What'd you discover? I'm done. Okay, uh-oh. I'm just getting drunk. I'm done. I'm done.

I'm done. I'm officially done with all awards. Why are you officially done with all awards, Gil? I had to... Okay, so they have the MVP award tracker right now, right? Yes, they do. Have y'all looked at that? I don't support square media, generally.

Okay. Jason Tatum. Mm-hmm. They got him at one. Oh, okay. Anthony Davis at two. Anthony Marshawn Davis. Shea at one. Okay, Anthony Davis at two Anthony Marshawn Davis

Shay at three Now four is the problem I'm having right now Four is the Cleveland Cleveland Cavaliers guy. All right, it's one of your own Shut up shit. I Resident cash, but it's the fourth option on your own. Shout out to our resident captain. But it's the fourth option. The fourth option is four. Who is the fourth option? Who do you think

is the fourth option on the team? Okay, who's the fifth option then? Jared Allen. Yes. They have Jared Allen at fourth.

For MVP? For MVP. Hold on a second, let me... It's not the cap. He's not a basketball reference. That's a basketball reference, but you can't... I don't give a shit. I don't care what reference it is.

You're talking about Garland at eight, Donovan at nine, and Jared Allen at four? I don't think, yeah, because according to the NBA, I think this was a couple days ago, but they have Joker, Tatum, KD, SGA, Anthony Davis, with Steph, Giannis, Luka, Donovan, Mitchell, LeBron, rounding out the team. Okay. I'm just telling you.

All right. Whoever cited this said this should be banned. This was from November 15th. No, no, whoever did this should be banned. What is this? That's the basketball. Basketball, this should did this should be banned. What is this? Basketball. Just cut the account off.

A great way. Just cut it off. Just this ain't even. Purveyor of important statistics, both near and far. But I'm going to talk about something that's going to brighten your mood, Gil. All right. Defending NBA Cup World Champions of the World Lakers were back in action Tuesday against the Jazz. And after dropping 27 on the Pelicans, the Westside Connect gang continued to bing, bing, bang. All right. So Dalton Connect dropped a new career high, 37 points,

going 12 for 16 from the field, 9 for 12 from deep. Connect tied a rookie record with nine threes in the game, including a stretch late in the third and early in the fourth quarter where he hit six threes in a little over four minutes of game action, scored 22 straight points for the Los Angeles Lakers. He also scored 21 of his 37 points in the third quarter. Connect has made 14 threes in his last two games, which is an NBA record for a rookie. He wasn't the only one cooking, though, obviously.

AD had 26 points, 14 boards, and 6 assists. Was 10 for 15 from the field. And LeBron added 26 and 12 dimes as the Lakers beat a gritty, very gritty Jazz squad. Forced to live in Salt Lake City. Can't get more grittier than that.

Improved to 10-4 on the season. Lakers got their sixth straight win, improved to 2-0 in the NBA Cup. As you may recall, they won the NBA Cup World Championship last season, the hardest NBA Cup in league history. After the game, both Bron and AD showed love to their rook. Don't you want to even believe back to last year? You talked pretty highly about Bron. after the game both Bron and AD showed love to their rook what did you see then what did you see then I don't know same shit I said last year

everybody on the internet called me a liar all the time so what am I now I've been said it I So, what am I now? I've been seven. I watched him. I watched Tennessee a lot. I watched Tennessee

a lot. I did not think he was going to fall to us. I thought it would be impossible. I have no idea how that happened,

but I'm very grateful and very happy that he's here. I knew exactly what he was getting when he fell to 17. They didn't find DK. the other 16 teams fucked it up

Anybody watch him They just didn't fuck it up So ad posted this story on his ig as well saluting connect he said i give you my crown as the best ooter on the team rook ooter obviously a shortened version of shooter with dalton connect and this is what jazz head coach will hardy had to say about connects third quarter run it seemed like everybody in the gym knew that Dalton Connect was going to shoot the next shot

with the exception of a few people. The problem was that those few people were on our team. He chose violence. Connect just started four games this season, including the last three games with Rui Hachimor's sideline. In those last three games, he's averaged 26 points, five rebounds, and a steal with 64-62-86 shooting splits.

So I'm going to take it over to our resident Lakers fan, Mr. Gilbert Arenas, rocking the custom brownie jersey with the Adidas logo. You can't get that in stores. How impressive has Dalton Connect been in the last three games, and has he solidified himself as a starter on this Lakers squad? Hmm.

He's been, you know, so funny, um... with the 17th pick for the Lakers, there was really only two people that they could have went after. That would have been an amazing draft for them. And it was him or Edie, right? Backup center, veteran guy who can play. And Edie, we know. Same thing with Kinect, right? What I said then is when you're an older guy, you have to be ready now, which he is. When you look at the draft and you wonder why he slipped, which he was supposed to be a lottery, right?

He was supposed to be a lottery. His talent said lottery in Tennessee. And you wonder why Spurs didn't pick him. They just have two picks. Jazz, I mean, Bulls. Like, you're talking about teams that needed small forwards. Pistons, I mean, I don't know how young they were going, but a lot of teams messed up, you know.

So it was glad we have him, right? He should be starting. He's probably going to be a starter. Even if we put D-Lo back, I don't know if he comes off the bench. So who comes off the bench then? Listen, at this point, it's one of those things where either Austin Reeves or Rui. Reeves, Nimble. Reeves, Nimble.

You know what I'm saying? If you decide to put D-Lo back in. I think this D-Lo experiment coming off the bench has worked so far. Lakers 10-4. I'm just telling you. Give me Austin Reeves stats. For the season? Mm-hmm.

I don't mind him at the 1 and 2 because, you know, since LeBron is... Austin Reeves averaging 18, five assists, four rebounds. LeBron is the one, two, three, four. Yeah, so those are the two starters. But that's what I said. Exciting whites. If you bring D'Lo back, you just push Rui to the bench. When it comes to production-wise. It seems to me that the Lakers only get excited

when they start to see value in that which they ignore. You feel like they ignore Dalton Kinnick? Absolutely. Who? How? So the fact that you gotta play him and he has to perform, you're waiting for him not to perform so he can be like one of those draft picks where, you know,

we gave him an opportunity, he didn't pan out. But Don Connect is one of those guys that showed up like, hey, I'm going to show y'all. Everybody's saying they watched him now and it was this, it was that, but it's the energy coming out because he's playing good. Yeah. Right? The same thing happened with Austin Reeves.

When he started to play well, all of a sudden, it's like, we never seen a white boy play like this. He deserves to be in the starting lineup. And then you start hearing, MVP. Because the Lakers were so desperate for something other than the two guys they got out there. Now they got somebody else out there.

Now they got somebody else out there that's actually hooping. And they look good. We need to put them in here. me you know we drafted them right no y'all didn't want is less than that no no like we know where you want this motherfucker on the side of the road we know where you wanted to pick 17 you just couldn't it we would we would all go crazy if you picked that boy at 17 but what take a person at 17 where you can grab them at 55. Who was going to pick the most marketable

55 pick in history? Who put that narrative out there? I don't know. ESPN put a narrative that he was going to be picked at 17. But the NBA did a draft for the second day viewership

because of one person. Which means the whole world knew where he was going to be drafted. It wasn't that. It wasn't that. It was that somebody leaked the fact that if you draft Bronny, we're going to send him to Australia. That was the thing. That was the thing. It was like,

if you draft this boy, we not showing up. We going to Australia. That was the thing. Yeah. Don't connect was just the, got somebody. We're not showing up. We're going to Australia. That was the thing. That's why we were splashed the other way. Yeah, Don Connect was just the, got somebody. That was Phoenix Suns. We got somebody. If you draft, if you draft, it was Phoenix Suns and Indiana.

In the second round. That was that. In the second round. Let's talk about the Lakers' first round pick, though. Obviously, LeBron gets accused of being a liar all the time. There is a clip of him back in April talking about Connect and how much respect he had for his game two months prior to the draft. Almost two and a half months.

Man, we knew what we got. We got a lottery pick at 17. We did. And I'm pretty sure if E.D. would have been at 17, we would have picked him at 17, too. We need players playing right now. We already got a bunch of young kids So we got wait wait wait you say

You got me first. You say we need what veterans. Oh, we need a guys who are ready to play right now That's why we went with an older guy shot. I see your face Looking around Oh 23 I think the guy that would say we need to go younger would say we need guys to play right now. No, our team, like, we have a veteran team. We don't need the young kids. Like, we have kids that's young that ain't got opportunities so far. Some have got an opportunity.

Christie, like, Christie ain't really got an opportunity. Hood ain't really got an opportunity. So, Hood has got an opportunity. Those are all young guys, right? Those are all young. They came got an opportunity. Oh, yeah Yeah, they're 19. Yeah, they have career dogs to connect for 37 Opportunity no real one something I see is it Dalton connect has. I'm trying to fuck him up. Don't know where that came from.

But it worked. It worked. Look, we got a lot of buttons. Shout out to Paolo. He's doing about 17 different jobs. Paolo's cooking right now. It still works. It still works. You know what I was waiting for.

You know what I was waiting for. Oh, it don't work. Yeah, that's what I said. That's what I was waiting for. You know what I was waiting for. Oh, don't worry. Yeah, that's what I said. That's what I said. We got a lottery pick. That's what I said. We got a guy who's supposed to be a lottery pick. To

Sha's point, Gil, I know... What was his point? What are you saying? Traditionally, you say prioritizing, drafting younger players that have room for growth because the guy at 19 versus the guy at 23, by the time he's 23, he could get to those same stats. Cook, Joe, cook. But my question for you, though. Where did we pick?

Joe, why are you letting him interrupt you? You're cooking right now. Keep cooking. I said, sit. No, no. I said. You said sit? He's a bully in this, man.

He's sitting there. No, because he said. Give me the pot. You ain't cooking. He said, I said Bullying this man Give me the pot Said I said I said the lottery pick is where you pick youth the stars The mid you pick vet you pick older guys. That's how it's always been. Where were we? We were 17. What did we pick a 23 year old? Okay, but to my point though, so you see the way that the new CBA is kind of stifling teams, and you want to get that young guy to develop, but now I got to pay this dude for three, four years

before I can see if he can actually flourish into something like adult and connectives. Now, even though he's 23, some of those guys are 19 years old. Do you feel like teams are going to shift that approach to get guys who are ready to go right now? No young team is going to pick an older guy. Here, this is a conversation. Y'all remember Dwight Howard and y'all remember Okafor.

Okafor was player of the year, right? Yeah. Now, Okafor was the better player than Dwight. This is all they did. All right, Okafor is 22 at the time. Dwight is 18. They say, all right, in the next four years, Dwight will be 22. Where would he be compared to where Okafor is today?

Does Okafor have a chance to be a superstar? He's 22 right now. Does he have a chance to be a superstar? The answer was no. He's going to be a very good player. Dwight at 18, does he have a chance to be a superstar dance was like probably yes Okay, cuz you have four years if you got four years before you're this age So so you're gonna go with this guy if you say in four years

Will he be better than this rookie coming in if the answer is yeah, you go with him now the rookie year what happened ogre for one rookie of the year right do you think anybody in orlando was like fuck no because dwight averaged a double double as a rookie now um ogre for one rookie of the year, averaging 15 and 11. By the time Dwight Howard was 22, he was an all-NBA player. But my point is... By the same...

Dwight Howard is an extreme example. And you're talking about him compared to Omega Okafor. That's every vocal for that's it But I understand that example my point is like what do I our versus a Mecca is not even no That's every example. They not cuz not every it's not ten Dwight Howard's No, what I'm saying is when you're when you're in the lottery and you're looking for something you have an Older guy who's proven right now or a younger

you're at you're asking you're asking yourself like let's say EDN of Shashi who's number one is that color you thought you're asking will ED be a superstar do you think it would be a superstar well I think he will think it'll be a good NBA player okay now you say. Okay. Now you say Shashir. What's his chance to be a superstar? Right? He likes baguettes. Right? So you're like, and I got four years before he's 22. I'd rather take my chance

here. Wow. And that's what they do. And that's dumb. That's why they're dumb. That's exactly why they're dumb. How? It's dumb. It's dumb. Atlanta could take Zach Eady and have some effect right now instead of waiting for years for a guy from France to pan out That business-wise it makes no sense I'm not rocking with them businessmen over there. They're gonna lose they're gonna stay in the red name never gonna make no money ever

They hold thought processes backwards. I got somebody ready to perform right here, right now, with experience, three years, in college. In college. Man, with a resume. Three years. With a resume of experience. Of college. The Quincy kid in the D League should be playing right now. He did.

Experience. He was on the bench for the Lakers last night. What? You got a player behind 19-year-olds who don't even know how to take a fucking play from the sidelines? Side out of bounds OB? You don't know nothing? It's experience of what? It's experience

of college. It's experience of winning and playing. It's just college. Winning and playing and terminology and how to get back on defense and watching film. All that shit matter. That's why Dalton Kinnick can come in and hit six threes because he's been there before.

It's called, the thing is, it's called an investment. Right? I have $100 a day. Today. This is $25. If I put it in the bank, will it be more than, and I got three years to make more than $100, and this was a smarter move.

I have three years before he averages whatever this 22-year-old is going to average this year. So if Zach Eady averages 10 and 8, Sasheer, he has four years to just beat that. So you don't care about winning right now? If you're in a lottery, obviously. So that's the point though. If it's your lottery pick,

it's not about winning. It's about trying to grab a bunch of assets for three, four years so we can be good when all these... But every team in the lottery isn't necessarily trash right now. Some have a win now mindset approach to take a team like the Grizzlies. We know they got Jock coming back. But that team in the lottery isn't necessarily trash right now. Some have a win now mindset approach to take a team like the Grizzlies. We know they got Jock coming back.

But that's the thing. We're talking about the 1-2-3 pick where he would have been. Right? It's very different. There's no... If you're... Who was in there? We're not talking 1-2-3 pick. We're talking every GM that makes stupid decisions, like trying to draft young instead

of draft for experienced and college players who know how to play. If you're like the Wizards, what are you going after Edie for? Your team is young. You're trying to build. You're trying to build. By the time the rest of your team,

think about 22, by the time the rest of your team matures 23, 24, 25, that number one pick would be 28. And do you feel like team GMs have that approach, though? If you're a trash team right now, we're not even tripping for these next couple years. We're looking at three, four years down the road. Exactly how Houston's been going since James Harden left. You're getting a whole bunch of assets,

and you're trying to see which one is maturing faster than the other. You're pulling in, pulling out. Like right now, those 19-year-old kids that came in, the 19-year-olds, they're 22 now. Right? Jalen Green is 22. Sangoon is 22. Like we found our young stars. And to your point, they don't give a fuck about winning because they're just going to offload all those stars as assets, as investments, because that's what

investors do. If you're going to acquire an asset, you build it up, create value, and you offload it. That's what they're doing. They don't care about winning. The Rock is currently fourth in the West right now, 10-5. The rest with a bunch of 20s. I think made a run last season, came close to getting into the playoffs.

Now you want to hear something, and this is why. We all know it, but we're not translated to the NBA. We're not, we're not, when we're looking at age, we're not looking at it the way. Now, how does, if we was in high school, a senior's 18,

how would we look? How would it look if a freshman was 18 years old? Senior before does not look particularly good. Doesn't look very well, right? An older guy dominating at an age where you're like, eh, same thing in the NBA. Edie's

high school class, his high school class, his senior class is Jalen Green. How long has Jalen Green been in the NBA? That's it, Sangoon. How is that the same atoon. This is his moment. This is his high school class. It's not the same at all.

Yes, that's who he's compared to. It's more people in the class that are older, that have been there. It's not just a classroom of people no more. That may have been in high school where, yeah, senior, freshman. Man, you shouldn't be playing here. Yeah, you're old. But now we got other motherfuckers here, too That's older than him. So we ain't really worried about him

Whoever you talk about Edie and Jalen green and all that it don't matter when you're in the NBA do everybody's old Everybody's here for a reason. We're all pros now. No, they're a Matter that is the false that is false for people not a baby and we're all over if you want a baby to kids It's false for sure for sure if you want a baby um, it's false. I don't do y'all Do you know if you if you put a 13 year old in the 70s rolled in the same Same field and you have them doing the same thing who's supposed to be better at it Oh the 17 the 70s you're all right question.. Why? Without question. Why? Because he's 17. Why?

He's more experienced. You got to give me a why. He's more experienced. Why do I give you? You know it. Because he's never... What if he's never done it before? But he's been on this earth long.

Pro, pro. He's a pro. Pro, pro, pro. Y'all both are new at this. No, pro. But he's 17. A 17-year-old and a 13-year-old? Yes, we're both rock climbing for the first time.

We've both never done it. No, no, no, no. We're both pros. Okay, now. So the 13, the 17 been the pro, the 13-year-old just got the 13. I was the 13-year-old that was better than the 17-year-old. Then who was better?

I was, I used to be the 13 that was better. And the 17-year-old just started playing? We're on the same level. No, no, no, no, no, no. The 17-year-old, right, high school, right? High school is that 17-year-old will be a junior. So this is a 13-year-old freshman coming in, right? So we'll say LaMelo Ball, right?

Whoever was 17th and whoever that was, he's supposed to be better than the 13-year-old coming in because this is the 13-year-old's first experience, but if you have them training every day for the next four years, by the time this 13 year old becomes 17, he's actually better than the 17, 18, 19, 20, 21 year old. The 17 year old will be better than the 20 year old. That's just the fact. It would not stay the same. He would not still be dominating. Prime example, there's a kid named, i think his name is luca right luca was when did luca play against the nba team when he was what 17 18 16 17 15 14 he was he was not the best player on that team it was 21 22 year olds by the time he turned 17 he was the best player in the league. He's running at a higher rate.

He's learning moves you're learning at 2021. He's learning them at 17 years old. He's running faster. You just have a head start than him. That's all. So when I'm in a draft and I got a 22-year-old and an 18-year-old, I got to see who's moving

faster. There's only a few. The metrics are against you because you can't prove results showing that drafting younger is better. Okay, name me the last, name me five since 2000, name me five lottery 22 year olds that were stars.

I can't. I know you can't. Because stars doesn't mean you're better. Doesn't mean just because you're drafting a star doesn't mean... No, I said star. No, that means the guy who got drafted, the end of their career,

there was a star. Like a Tim Duncan, right? An Allen Iverson, like that. No, I'm speaking role players that come in and impact the game. Talking about stars. Role players? Why would I want a role player?

Dalton Connect is a college role player. Don't ask why you would want anything because that's who we talk to. Are you saying Connect was a role player in college? No, I'm saying he's a role player on the team now. Okay. But why would I draft him number one? You didn't draft him to be a star, did you? That's why I'm not drafting him number one, two, or three.

You didn't have one, two, or three pick. You had 17. So at 17, you're not picking Dalton Connect to be a star. No, we're picking him to be a role player. Exactly. That's what college players are. That's why they should be available to be picked to be what he is. That's where they get picked.

What are you talking about? Are you missing the... What did I say? The younger kids who got a future to be stars are drafted in the early age. So the older guys that are proven that can play right now are in the teens.

That's where you send them. So all the players that can play right now are teens because the lottery is future. The lottery's not right now. It's stupid. It's because those kids should go to college. Those kids should go to college. Those kids should go to college.

He just said it, though. You get connected right now, that's where you get him at. You get him because he should go to college. You don't get him one, two, or three. You're saying which kids should go to college. I'm saying the young 19-year-old kids he's vouching for, that you spend and invest time in as ask... Go to school.

So you're saying they should go to college. Yes, become an asset. Before we have to invest in you trying to... They should go to college and play versus... Going to the gym. Just coming and sitting on the bench. Being an incubator. We're being an incubator.

This incubation stage... Can I ask you something? I don't disagree with that. Can I ask you something? Yeah. Okay. Okay. If we take, let's say, what age is WNBA?

They come in 22? Well, they gotta graduate from college. Yeah, okay, so let's just say average age 22. 22, yeah. Right, and let's say Juju's an 18 year old. Yeah. I give Juju's an 18-year-old. Yeah. I give Juju, we got two roads. Juju, four years in college, right? She's going to have her game.

Or you take her and you incubate her four years in a WNBA. By the time they're 22, who is more dominant? Which player? Yeah, but Juju, Juju's different. But I'm just saying, which player is dominant? He uses the extreme example. No, I'm just saying. But I'm just saying which player is dominant? He uses the extreme example. No, I'm just saying which player is dominant? You're saying a... Because those are the people that's going to be picked in the lottery.

So which one would be the more dominant player? The one that's been four years going against women? Yeah. Or the one who's been in college for the four years? And the one that's been in the league going against women is not playing. Are you listening to me, Cheryl? Juju's not playing for four years. But I do think it's different with men and women.

Of course it is. I do. Confidence. The incubator's the incubator. Confidence is everything. Kobe Bryant and all these young kids. Let me tell you why. It's still different, though, because personally,

I think Juju could go to the league right now and be better than some women. Cool. I'm saying... Any name. You give her... What I'm saying is you give her... Don't start.

Don't start. No, I do. I think she could. And I understand what you're saying. But... So it's basically saying, would you rather her stay in college and play her four years? Four years.

Get experience playing in college. Or go to the W and not play, but practice? We don't know what you're going to do. It's four years. Girl, that makes no sense. By 22, by the age of 22, who would be the better player? I'm trying to answer his question. By what age?

By the age of 22. Like, you got to, these two got to meet. In theory. The one who spent four years in college. Yeah. And the one who spent four years in a W-8. They got to play one-on-one. Who is going to be dominant?

But Gil, but you can't. No, no, no. But you can't. You got to let them off slow. But you can't use Juju. Let them off slow. Let them off slow. You can't use Juju.

It's the lottery. You only... You got to get me another player. You're only... Because I think Juju could still stay in college for four years and then go to the W and be just as good. Or she can just come in right now and be just as good. If she left early and went to play pro.

But there are some that I would say, yeah, this particular player, if she went to the WNBA and practiced every day against, I don't know. And this is the reason. Same thing with Zach Eaddy. The person you're playing four years against in college is not the people you're playing against in the NBA I thought so those fucking moves you working on being dominant doesn't work here. You're playing against Anthony Davis You're playing against Joker. You don't even know what that looks like in your you don't even play those guys remember How many people are in college?

7,000 10,000 people players. Yes Probably three three three to four three thousand people four to five four to five There's only 14 lottery picks and then the 20 and then the people that was picked lottery He didn't play against none of them. So the people that he's been playing against and dominating don't even make the nba so i don't care what you learn if you if if he goes in the next 40 years and say name me every hall of fame superstar there's gonna be one there's gonna be there's gonna be a trend and it's gonna be against me That's why he can't name you 22-year-olds that came into the age of 22 that are considered Hall of Fame stars. He can't name five. He can't.

So the older proven guy, the older proven guy that he would like drafted in the first five, that they were great in college, they came into the NBA, and they dominated the NBA. Well, there's not many of them. Hey, can I say something? The floor is yours. Okay. So what does college basketball do for your confidence when you're thriving?

I don't know. Like, what is it doing for Juju's confidence right now to see that she's the number one player in the country? I don't know. Like, what is it doing for Juju's confidence right now? To see that she's the number one player in the country. Playing against a whole bunch of kids. Right? Number one, right? I think Juju right now is like the shit.

She's getting accolades. She's getting confidence, right? Oh, for sure. Now, once she starts to dominate those accolades and starts to see that, yeah, y'all really not fucking with me. Mm-hmm. Y'all ain't on my level.

Now, granted, that is the feeling she'll get in college regardless, because she's dominant. Well, didn't she have that last year? Now, now not fucking with me. Y'all ain't on my level. Now, granted, that is the feeling she'll get in college regardless because she's dominant. Well, didn't she have that last year? Now, listen. If she goes to the league as a fresh out of high school

and they don't play her for four years, I want you to tell me how much confidence she garners going in, dominating in practice. You gotta use somebody besides Juju.

That's why I said it. I said that too. It's an extreme example. Juju averaged 27 last year as a freshman. So Juju's gonna play. Exactly. Exactly.

Huh? Haley Van Lichten. So even Haley. Would she be a lottery pick? We're talking, we're talking, he's... Okay, I like the Haley.

Y'all killing my point. Y'all killing my point. He's using role players. He wants role players to be picked. You're killing my point. Go. No, go ahead.

My point is, Juju, if she's in college for four years, is going to build up so much dominant confidence. By the time she gets there, her ability is going to change. It's going to get better, and she's going to be ready confidently to dominate. If she goes early and she has to fight the hard way to get up, by the time she's 22 the confidence is going to be very, very difficult to muster. And that affects your ability.

And especially if she's not playing. It's going to hurt. Then automatically in the fifth year I start playing automatically. Yeah, I got to step up. It's pressure on me. I got to the fifth year, I start playing automatically. Yeah, I got to step up. It's pressure on me. I got to prove. And she will because she's good, right?

But imagine a first-year rookie player after four years of college coming in, dominating, MVP, rookie of the year, all of those things in one year. Rookie year. Compared to being there four years, not doing doing nothing and waiting till your fifth year to do something that's crazy to me i'd rather be rookie of the year and come in and try to get most improved in my fourth year because i'm four years behind but you're the same age i'm still four years behind but you're not four years behind how are are you four years? You're four years in front. What do you mean four years behind? So, I get this.

I told you to stop laughing. I'm sorry, bro. All right, can I? You don't be listening. He's just steady chuckling. It's not funny, man. All right. They ain't booking me for no comedy shows.

So, we're going to use your example of, what did he say? Got your confidence all up playing against these guys. Yeah. So can you tell me where their confidence was when they came into the NBA? Player of the year. Shane Battier. How good was he as a pro? Player of the year.

He was very good. Player of the year. He was very good. Very good. Yes. Who are you comparing his goodness to? of the year. He was very good. Player of the year. He was very good. Very good. Yes. Who are you comparing his goodness to?

You said Shane Battier was very good? Yeah. Yes, he was very good. What is his expectation? Oh, he was the fifth pick. What's his expectation? The one he got picked Superstar. Yeah.

Why? Because that's the pick. That seems like your expectation for him. No, that's the Superstar. I don't think anybody else was disappointed about Shane Battier's career. Is that crickets? Yeah. Yeah, nobody's disappointed.

Well, I'm just not. Nobody's disappointed? Yeah. Uh-huh. Shane Battier, next. Was he a superstar? No. No.

Okay. No, I'm saying he was. He was a college All-American. He was a college All-American. He was a college Mega Man. And then he comes in there, he got to guard LeBron, motherfucking James, and Kobe Bryant, and Vince Carter. Like, oh, shit, black people.

The blacks. This is where you've been hiding them? God damn. Shit. The real black. There were black people in college. The real ones. Yeah, the real ones.

No, no. There were real black people in college. No, no. He played four years. Those black people, they left. They came into the NBA, goddammit. The were real black people in college. No, no. He played four years. Those black people, they left. They came into the NBA, goddammit. The guys he was trying to guard for one game, like, I'm joking. J.J. Redding, Talon Hasbro.

Come on, man. Jimmer Fredette. We're talking about the 22-year-old seniors who got all this confidence coming in. Look at these seniors. J.J. Redding. I'm pretty sure he had a lot of confidence, right? Absolutely. Didn translate. Okay, Jimmy Fredette. What is translate for death? Hold on All NBA Gilbert arenas numbers what translation are we talking about? You have to make it make sense who you're comparing people to.

We're not comparing them to you. Don't compare them to you. He's the best player in the draft. So what? He's the best player in the draft. His numbers reflect his numbers. Okay. It doesn't reflect his ability.

He's the best player in the draft. What are you talking about? You said best player in the draft. So tell me how it translated with all this fucking confidence. He was a role player. Like I said, they all were. Andre, so the best player in the draft, because he won, was it player to end? Because he was a college

player, and I said college developed foot. And I said what? Role players. Role players. And why am I drafting a role player in a lottery? It's the same thing I said. He's safe. Because you need players to win. You need players to play right away. That's why you're drafting college players in the early draft

because you want them to play. So question. Question for you. I don't need, but that's what I'm saying. Yeah, he was right here. Jimmer Fredette. He went to college for four years? Yeah.

Uh-huh. Okay, so I didn't think he was a very good pro. But here's my question. How about Tyler Hosmer? I wasn't a very good pro either, Cheryl. But I have a question for you. I was terrible.

How about Doug McDormand? I was terrible. Listen, question. Nothing translated. How about Doug McDormand? Nothing translated about Doug McDormand. Nothing translated. Hey, Frank Kaminsky.

Nothing translated. Y'all better watch out. Let's take a look at the top five picks. Let me get me, huh? I got a question for you. Marvin Williams. Frank Mason III. Marvin Williams. Why you III. Marvin Williams.

Marvin Williams. Why you ain't saying Marvin? You got your straight guy. He didn't last that long. Marvin Williams? He was in his first season. Was Salim Stoddard? No, you can't say him.

No, don't say him. Don't get one. No, he's a senior. Who else? He was a senior. There's so many guys he's leaving out. No, Salim Stoddard. Marvin Williams played 14 years in the NBA. Hold on, man.

Marvin Williams played 14 years. Doug McDormand. Andrew Bogie. Look, he played 14 years, retired at 33. That's what early does. 14 years on 33 years old. Ask him what it translated to. A fucking role player. So we on 13 years. Ask him what it translated to. A fucking role player.

So we asked the chat. Oh, God. We got to move on, girl. We got other things to discuss. We asked the chat, is it obvious? 73% said yes. Is what obvious? That was a question. That was just a question. We just asked him, is it obvious? Is it obvious? Okay. 73% said yes. But let's keep this moving. Got to talk about another situation that went down last night. Yes, sir. Oh, my God.

This is obvious, y'all. Get the shirts. I got one. I got a tabbed by Kenya for supporting the show. She don't know. I got a filler. You got Is It Obvious t-shirts. I got a filler, man.

Okay, filler. International move around symbol. Frank Mascinzi. You still looking up players. Yeah, I just want to. We should just do a whole show with you reading players, man. International move-around simple. Frank Miscansi. You still looking up players? Yeah, I just want to, we should just do a whole show with you reading players' names. You got to keep going. A whole show with just Gil reading players' names. Doug McDormand, as he is now known.

So, LaMelo Ball has been the best fourth-quarter scorer in the league this season, but Tuesday night he found himself in an unusual position in a close game against the Nets. So, first we're going to show the cause, and then we'll show the effect. So Lomelo missed this shot, then got a questionable foul right here, with 348 remaining in the game. His coach, Charles Lee, that was Lomelo's fourth foul. Who's that? Huh?

The coach? Coach Charles Lee, with the Celtics, won a championship with the Bucs as well, but was with the Celtics last season. Pulled Lamello ball with 3.48 remaining in the game, and the Hornets down by one, opting to go with Trey Mann instead. Did not play Lamello for the rest of the game. Hornets went on to lose by one point. So prior to this game,

Ball was averaging a league-leading 11.2 points per game in the fourth quarter. But Lamello played just 24 minutes in the game, only eight total minutes in the second half. He had 12 points and five assists. He was three for 13 from the field, three for eight from three. Trey Mann, who came in to replace LaMelo for most of the second half, scored 16 of his 19 points in the second half, obviously playing the 16 minutes that LaMelo spent on the bench in that time frame.

So after the game, Hornets head coach Charles Lee offered this explanation for pulling his franchise player. Melo's been phenomenal for us, and he's done so many good things, and he's creating offensively and guarding. And I just thought that Trey had a little bit of a better hand tonight and was helping us a little bit more on both ends of the court. But that's not to say that we weren't getting anything from Melo early in the game.

I thought he did a really good job of kind of setting the table and doing some good things, too. I think every night, it could be somebody different, and they all have to accept the fact that if another guy has it going, we probably need to ride that hand. So, did Charles Lee make the right

move benching LaMelo ball in the fourth quarter? Hmm. No, no, I mean even though did I don't did he score in the second half? Who the mellow he might have like three points something like that So he had a horrible go at it Nasty work. That's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. Well, and I just listened to the post-game press conference,

but I'm still trying to understand why you... Oh, he didn't score in the second half. Excuse me, Gil. And the kid that... The man. Trey Manning. Excuse me. What did he do?

He had 16 of his 19 points in the second half. So he played 16 minutes in the second half, had 16 points. He was the point guard? Trey Mann, yes. So I'm calling baby AI. I mean... So? Mm.

It's not going to sit well with a Melo. Or LeVar, I believe. I mean, it's just embarrassing. Probably Jello either. The reason you gave was we had somebody else giving a better hand at it. Like, you just pull your... Call timeout, pull your superstar to the side and talk to him. Have a conversation, yeah.

You don't embarrass him publicly. So, I would say, if they would have won, I would say, yeah, great move. Great move. Great move. When I seen that they lost, I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, but you didn't win. So, not so great move. Great move. Great move. When I seen that they lost, I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, but you didn't win. So, not so great move. Not so good.

Obviously, it's a tough Eastern Conference. Hornets are going to be likely vying for one of those playing spots. Every game matters. Yeah, but you got to. What was Melo's numbers for that game? It was horrible. It was bad. It was horrible.

What's horrible? 12 digits? Yeah, what was horrible? 12 and 5? 13 shots, 3 for 13. Dennis scoring. That's not bad. No, Dennis scoring. Three minutes left. We'll be down one. But he scored. What's horrible? 12 digits? 12 and 5. 13 shots, 3 for 13. That's not bad. No, they didn't score a half.

Three minutes left. But he didn't score the whole second half. Gil, you know better than I do. Three minutes left. I can get my mojo going and get us back in the game. And that's, how old is this coach? Charles Lee. I can get my shit. I'm me.

I can make some mistakes early, but I know we need to get this win in the game. The Joe Mazzola school of... He from Joe? He's with the Celtics. He's 40 years old. Yeah, it makes sense. He look like one of the militants. I make my bed up in the morning at 5 a.m. So he was with the Celtics last season. He was with the Bucs for

five years as well. Won a chip with the Bucs and won a chip with the Celtics as an assistant coach. Mm-hmm. Boone, Hoser, Missoula. The problem, here, this is the problem. Missoula as it's known. The problem is this. He's a superstar for a reason. He's a big

he's a big shot maker, right? Trey played great, but the star is the star for a reason. He has something the other person don't. That means no matter what happened, the first 44 fucking minutes that that erases out of a star's mind and it becomes another game. Yeah. The last three minutes. The last three minutes is another game. It's like

zero and zero. And that's what you took away from your team. Absolutely. You took away the star ability right there. The playmaking, the precision. The rest of the game don't matter. He had a horrible go at it. Redemption time.

The last three minutes is where it happened. When I hit the famous game winner against the Bulls, that game winner, I was 3-4 for fucking 15 at that point. Having a horrible go at it. The ball was supposed to go to Larry. Larry was having the hot

end. This is what I do, though. What I do, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give me that bitch. Short-term memory. I probably missed the last nine shots. 0 for 6 on the three. None of that shit goes in my brain. It's game time. They need me. Game time. Let's go.

A star player don't have to be on fire for the last shot. No, I was built for this. Hey, and that's what he think. Think about how he walk into the bench. I don't care about the first half. I want the block. He walk into the bench looking up at the clock.

Yeah. And he like, I know what he's saying. I know he not taking me out. Yep. Yep. I know that's what he's saying. I know he not taking me out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up? Yeah, yeah. Okay. 326. All right. He must be giving me a little break. He picked up his fourth foul, but even with 340 to go, yeah, yeah. What's up? Yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. 3.26. All right, he must be giving me a little break. 30 seconds.

Yeah, he must be giving me a little 30 seconds. He picked up his fourth foul, but even with 3.40 to go, that's irrelevant. He completely irrelevant. Completely, yeah. None of that.

Man, listen. If he was that upset at LaMelo for making a turnover or whatever it was, and you ain't call no timeout to make it right, you just take him out?

Yo, timeout. Hey, fucking focus, man. Yeah, that's it. Sit there and focus. Get your shit right. So this is what we're out. Hey, fucking focus, man. Yeah, that's it. Sit there and focus. Get your shit right. So this is what we're going to do, blah, blah, blah. That's it. All right, go in.

Soon as the game starts, you ready? Go to the goddamn day. Yep. That's how that works, man. Thanks. This is not a time to prove fucking points. Why do coaches want to prove points at game time? But against your player.

I don't give a fuck what you tell me during the game and fuck you coach this and this you my best player You gonna get in there you gonna win this game when this motherfucking game overweight god dammit you about to get on that line I'ma prove the point in practice. Yep. I'm not proving it in a game I'm not sitting you forget a game. I'm not sitting you for a game. The game reflects my fucking contract. It reflects my stat. I can prove a point where it don't affect neither one of us. This is not a time to see who got the bigger Johnson right here. Right?

In the game, goddammit you. In practice, goddammit me. Yeah. Right in the game. God damn it you in practice. God damn it me. Yeah, I Don't I don't get it It's it's it was a bad move hopefully I mean, you know rookie coach trying he still lost the game So you also get cuz you start play right there right the question becomes coach And he still lost the game. He lost the game because the star player ain't there. Right, the question becomes, Coach, why you ain't have him in the game? All the players are sitting there like, they sitting on the bench like.

Remember, we still do have to fight for the accountability, though, for LaMelo and playing bad, but it's 100% on the coach to make sure that you're not taking him out the game for the game. For the game. For the game. Not for the out the game for the game. For the game. For the game. Not for the game. Not for the game. Like, we always say, if you fuck up, and we know it's one of them blatant fuck-ups where it's like, sub, sub him out, get him out.

And we come out and we're like, God damn, I know I fucked up. Come over. Hey, man, come on, man. Get your shit together. All right, now get in there. I just needed to bring you out because you look like you needed a little breather. And you know his teammates are sitting over there too like lunch and over here. What you do? We down one coach what you doing, you know, it makes it funny

He sells him out for a turnover and a foul soon as Trey get in, offensive foul. For Trey? Trey might have gave up something like six to eight points. And that's the same turnover. Then came in, very next play, missed the layup. Two turnovers. Missed the layup. Three.

Offensive tip, got his own rebound, and then he tipped it back in. So he had the two points off an offensive rebound. Three turnovers. So you subbed a man out. You subbed a man out for two turnovers and a layup? For missing a shot. And those are three possessions within three minutes of the fourth quarter.

No, what I'm saying is, like, I subbed my star player out to get back two turnovers from the guy. I would have won two for what? Because one for three, four, because he was trying to tip the ball back in. Yeah, one for four. I take my chance on my star player to do that shit. He had four possessions, though, in three minutes. The sub, not your franchise guy, in the fourth quarter, three minutes to go. So, Trevor, two for seven in the fourth quarter,

in those eight minutes that he played total, two for seven, have five points. Two for seven. What did he have in the last? It's the last, that second sub he got. Because he was probably in at the beginning. Give me one second. Coaches make mistakes, man. But, you know, it's one of those you just got to learn from. We all do, but how long has that coach been a head coach?

He just got there. His first head coaching job? First head coaching job in the league. It just seemed like he took that L so easy. Like, he was cool with taking that L and making that point. That's what I like about it. I don't like coaches that are snark and arrogant about trying to prove a point about, like, showing up your best player. There's ways to do it.

Where LaMelo now, like, he could, if he was this type of player, be on some... Fuck coach, man. Fuck coach. Ain't anybody embarrass me like that unless they had a conversation. Fuck coach, man.

He could be like, you know what? Gotta come in there and be like... I want to move back to L.A. No, that's what you need. As a rookie coach, you gotta go in there and say, hey, y'all, I fucked up. My bad.

My bad. For sure. That's all it takes. All it takes. For some reason. All it takes. They did pride. Motherfuckers can't do that.

All it takes is to walk in there and say, I fucked up. I fucked up. This is what I mean. Accountability. This is what I mean, y'all. My bad, Mello. Mello, please.

For real. It'll never happen again. It'll never happen again. Never happen again. That's it. You'll start a player. We'll be cool. cool. No problem. You know to me. Yep He ain't gonna make no smart remarks, you know And you ain't got to worry about him again because he knows you already stood up took some accountability for for the move

You didn't mean to make him look look bad in front of his teammates. It's all clear. But now they Didn't want to do that shit. LaMelo on the phone like, alright, y'all can get away from his crib now, man. Everything cool. Y'all can get away from his crib? We apologize, man. Jello, wait for him. What's up, Jerry? No. Don't piss off LaVar Jello, but I wanted to ask you guys, have you ever been in a situation like this when you were in the league or in college, and how do you handle it? Situation that, ah.

It feels like mind games. I don't know. Again, the Mellor average 11 points in the pop quarter. I definitely dealt with it. I was, I'm going to be honest. I was blessed with coaches that did not They did not try to prove points right I had My high school coach obviously didn't try to prove no points Luke

Now my behavior off the court did not Stop it stop them from putting me in the game. Didn't even muscle me. Do your thing. Eddie Jordan, same thing. So I never had to, if I'm playing bad, even though I'm playing bad, all they say, I need one shot. Can you make the one shot?

Yeah. Take it. That's it. I never had that. I'm not going to, you know. I'm not going to tell. I'm not blaming or nothing. I'm just going to share my story. What's up, Blue?

Hey, I'm just going to share the story. Share the story, big dog. Freshman year, coach told me, if Dean Smith can stop Michael Jordan from averaging more than 20, I can stop you. And I averaged 17. Ooh. After averaging 21 my freshman year.

OK, I get your point, Coach. Good. I got the message. Second year comes along. I come out, sub. I'm on the bench, trying to catch my breath. Somebody dive on a loose ball. Everybody get up.

Yeah! I'm the only one still. I just subbed out. I on a loose ball. Everybody get up, yeah! I'm the only one still, I just subbed out. I hadn't got up. Coach seen it, I hadn't got up. Go to the locker room, kick me off the bench. Because you were tired. First half, tired boss.

Wow. I'm just, you all gonna cheer for your teammates? We're playing against UNC Wilmington. Fast forward to the NBA. Fast forward to the NBA. Went to Vegas. Dating Khloe. Dinner with her family.

Flew back. Have a talk with Kevin McHale. Day before practice. Hey, man. Hearing about you dating this girl. Everybody's calling uh, maybe you should get some rest. Ooh, I Guess that's why I only play eight minutes last night Okay, whatever brother 14 games DMPs. I did not play for 14 straight game because of a dinner

Because of a white girl So when you talk about coaches fucking with you... Well? You ain't got no answers? Well? You can't talk to nobody because there ain't no union? Yeah, I've been there before. I know what mellow feel like.

Maybe if it was a sister, it wouldn't happen. Can I ask you a question? I ain't say that. After your freshman year, why didn't you enter the draft? Because I was being fucked with by the coach and I knew he was going to try to sabotage if I came out. I was averaging 21 a game as a freshman. I was supposed to be ACC player of the year, freshman of the year. He benched me for three straight games. He found a way to bench me to decrease my scoring average. I know, but... You still could have entered the draft. Nah, because 17, at that time, it was Josh Howard.

It was a bunch of... Like, that was Jason Williams and all of them. Mello. That was my freshman year. That was Mello, D-Wade, Ron. Yeah, that's right. Yeah! I had the pedigree for it, but it was the coach.

All the shit with the coaching dynamic. He got fired before the summer even evolved. So I had a bad stigma on my name at that point. Like, oh, yeah, he's getting Coach Doherty fired and all this shit. So it wasn't going to work. Like, that's what I said. Like, nobody would have told you you would have been top ten still. Yeah, I told you my second year I was supposed to come out.

No, I mean, not necessarily something, but your freshman year. Nah, it wasn't no talk because I wasn't thinking about going. I'm going to say you averaged like 17 for a freshman. Like, that's. Bro, like I said, I was averaging 21. The last three games of the season, I was already killing. Freshman. Killing.

Because Dwyane Wade was a junior, right? Yeah. Your freshman year? Yeah, Kirk Heinrich. Like, you would have been. What? Kirk, yep. All of them. TJ Ford. Like, TJ Ford was young, right? Yep. TJ did a freshman year. Yeah, Kirk Heinrich. You'd have been what? Kurt. Yeah. All them. TJ Ford like TJ Ford was young, right? Yeah. Yeah. They did a freshman year. Yes. That's what I said.

All that. That was that was high school class. No, he was before me. He was a freshman. TJ was a freshman. No, we all know that. TJ was TJ was Carlos hurting him. He was the one Wagner now. Yeah, that was TJ. Who's after him? He was your high school class. So you want two years in college? Yeah.

And I'm like Luke Rittenhour, Marcus Banks. All them. All them. Well, it was just my pedigree wasn't thinking about the league because it was never a goal. I was just like, I'm at Carolina, I'm chasing Mike. I need to check off these boxes. So it is what it is, but I know about the coaches. I know what he's feeling. I know what he could feel, but I think he'll take the bigger role.

He'll have the upper management deal with it. What upper management? LeVar or Horn What upper man? LeVar or Hornets upper man? Hornets, yeah. Y'all can get me out of here or get him out of here, one or the other. Big baller brand to the rescue.

The French Jordan, I remember him. Petrus, yeah. I used to bust it. Oh my God. I used to look for him. Wee, wee, wee. I got something for you. What?

I got to taste this. Number 20. I got to test this imitation. Mm-hmm. Put your tongue back in. Yeah. He was all big brawly, strong. Come here. I sold the shit out that too. Come here. Did you ever have a situation like that?

It was a French kid. They called him, damn. Them French motherfuckers has been coming in on me. Yes. Baton been here for a long time. Baton was coming. Oh, yeah. Damn. Them French motherfuckers has been coming in the league. Yes, Batum been here for a long time. Batum was there. Like, them French motherfuckers has been in this league

a long time. Because they black, so we don't be paying attention. We don't be paying attention. Man, I just did. Speak that shit. All right. All right. No.

Cool. I heard you. At no point, nobody tried to. No. Cool. I heard you. At no point, nobody tried to... Is this why you can't talk? No, I'm not saying... Why would they do that to me? But I probably had a couple of games...

I probably had a couple of games where I did it, right? Like, just shit wasn't going right, and I was like, coach, like, give me out. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, you, okay. Not for a long time. Just give me help for a minute.

It's just a minute, huh? Five minutes go by. I'm like, coach, I'm ready. Yeah. You stabbed yourself in. You stabbed yourself in. And I was like, no. Oh, so it was kind of like rec league, right?

You stabbed yourself out in there, huh? You're tired. The coach was just there. You have that game where you start and shit just ain't going right. I was like, you know what? I need a restart. I'm playing for the other team. I'm playing for the other team.

It was so funny. He with us. He with us. You'd be sitting there like wide open layup. You already missed four, got the steal. Right? Off your foot. You're like, man, get me out. already missed four, got the steal. Spunkle and kick your shit out of the house. Off your foot, you're like, man, get me out.

I'm like, get me out. I'll be so upset. But don't leave me over here that long. Just get me out for a couple of plays and I'm good. I used to go, listen, when I know this shit is rough tonight, I go take a shower, change everything. Oh, you go to the locker room. Go to, like, say, Coach, or halftime, I ain't do all that. I go in there and shower. Try to get the bags, you know.

I got to get this shit off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what this is. Facts. Hey, New Jersey, new shoes, socks, everything. Nah, that's facts. I got to turn it around because this outfit right here, it ain't working. This ain't it.

This is one for 30 right now. Or the shoes you wore. You're like, oh, it burned them. Run for 30, 12 turnovers. It'd be like that regular pass. I would give this shit a minute. Oh, yeah. I'd be like, time out. I was like, go get my shit. Pick them up. Yeah, give me the other one.

Go get my thing. Fast break pass, you throw the motherfucker all the way up there. Oh, with the cold hands and shit. Yeah. You like, damn, what's wrong with my hands tonight? Sticky fingers. Hmm, hmm. Must be nice, guys.

Must be nice. No, no, stop. Must be nice. No, that wasn't nice. I'm just saying. I didn't have that luxury. They was doing me a favor. I was like, I'm going to go get my shit. I'm going to go get my shit be nice. No, that wasn't nice. I'm just saying. I didn't have that luxury.

They was doing me like Bronny. Get in for this eight seconds, nigga. And I'll pay the hundred for that one. You paid the hundred? I will. Eight seconds, what am I going to do? You fucking the stats up now. But the game is the game.

Catch the ball, bitch. Make a deal with the dude on the other team. Let me shoot, I'll let you shoot. But anyway, Nuggets were without

reigning MVP Nicola Jokic for the third straight game as they played their second straight game in Memphis after losing to the Grizzlies Sunday.

But Jamal Murray and Michael Porter Jr. picked up the slack and Russell Westbrook made some history to get the Nuggets back on the right track. Let's go, Russ.

So, Jamal Murray led the Nuggets with 27.6 rebounds of four assists Going 10 for 20 from the field 5 for 10 from deep MPJ had 24 points and 11 boards Christian Brown added 19.7 rebounds three steals, but this was about Russell Westbrook ladies and gentlemen Huss Westside as he's known in Los Angeles Westbrook played 32 minutes off the bench messed messed around, and dropped his 200th career triple double, finishing with 12 points, 10 rebounds, and 14 assists. Westbrook is the first player in league history with 200 triple

doubles, accomplishing the feat in 1,175 games. Joker is the closest current active player. Joker's in fourth place all-time with 136 triple doubles in 685 games I'm sorry about I'm just reminding like when shit is going bad Right and then you look at this play and I keep like I see why when Westbrook be it'd be going horrible for him

Cuz some of the past they be making when that shit is That's it horrible. I like the little bank, that's the top of the backboard. You never seen him trying to shake somebody below the free throw line and then make it like if he missed that shot off the glass. That's the one where you be like, damn, he hit the side of the backboard. That's the day. This shot right here, that's the day when he's off. Yeah.

Got it. Throw the line, that motherfucker went all the way out of the back. I'm just looking at the players like. Get me, Coach. Yeah, those are the Westbrook moments where he'd be like. And those moments get elevated and amplified. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. More than any other. It's nasty.

Because the passes he's making. Ah, ah. Turnover. Turnover. Turnover. We like, damn. Charge. Out of bounds.

Off the foot. Off the foot. Get him out. About the game. Fast break. Air ball layup. Off the foot. Off the foot. Get him out. About the game. Fast break, air ball layup. Damn. Damn. Westbrook, 200 triple doubles, 1,175 career games.

Obviously, it's weird. You know, obviously, second player in the history of average triple double, first player to do it for multiple seasons. For some reason now, they don't give triple doubles the respect they deserve, but does Westbrook deserve more credit for his triple-double record only player in league history with 200 triple-doubles any era Did the guy before him get credit? Yeah, big oh, yeah, he deserves to great he does

Like it's hard triple-doubles, but I feel like Will probably got like three, four hundred and they just weren't- Back then, he would have had, I forgot it was like 700 quadruple doubles. That's crazy. Yeah, cuz they said- That's crazy. They said stat wise, if they kept the stat, he would have averaged 14 blocks. That's crazy. So. was if they kept the stat he would have averaged 14 blocks. That's crazy. So because if you're

averaging 14 blocks for a seat of for his career I mean thinking about all the triple doubles where he had 10 assists those have been quadruple doubles so it'd have been crazy him and he would have been first and then Miss Layups would have been second. Bill Russell. Bill Russell. Actually he's not Miss Layups that's that's. Bill Russell. Bill Russell. Actually, he's not Miss Layups. That's damn near. That's Mike. That's George Mike.

That's George Mike. Thank you, Gil. Show some respect. That's George Mike. He was doing the Mike drill because he was trash. They made a drill after him because you need to work on your layups, dog. But this is why you have to. Just go right here and go right there. This is where you have to give it credit.

It wasn't done. It wasn't done since the 70s? 60s? Oscar was in the 60s, I believe. Since the 60s? You're telling me all the greats that came through, that were trying, you don't think Jordan

was thinking about trying it, or anybody who had the capability magic when he was doing it like the j kid like he had an engine that allowed him to do it and the problem with it was it reminds me of james white in the dunk contest it looked so easy they didn't know how to grade it. Yeah. Was you talking about the McDonald's one? All of them.

Every time I looked in the dunk contest. They was giving him like a nine in there. Motherfucker jumping from the free throw line like this. 50. He coming out of this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Two hands.

45. 45. Like, wait, what? Between the legs. D-D. Free throw line. 38. Like, wait, what? Between the legs. Diddy. 38. Like, come on, y'all. And that's what it is.

He made the triple-double look so easy that they said, anybody can just do it. All you got to do is just have your stats. You just got to go in there and just rebound. And just go rebounding. And pass the ball. If it was that fucking easy, why everybody didn't? You remember when LeBron was tapping into it? They was making a point that, you know, 28-7-7, 28-8-7.

And the idea of LeBron can be the first one to do it became a thing. And then when a guy who you guys don't look at as a natural score did it, he's patting stats. He's stat patting. By metric, it would make Westbrook the best or the greatest point guard of all time. Seeing that the double-double points and assists, Chris Paul, John Stockton, right, is the one thing that was pretty much valued as much as anything from the point guard position. How many double-doubles can you get? Can you average a double-double? Yeah.

Right? But Westbrook averaged a triple-double at the point guard position. Yeah. So he did that how many times? three What for the average triple double four times he averaged the double double times at the point guard position Average now we talking about the double double being the metric of highest from a point guard So how can Westbrook not be all the way up here at 200 triple doubles?

With a 30-point triple double. None of y'all can reach him. None of y'all. Magic, all y'all. You can't come back to get more triple doubles than him. You can't come back and make it look better than him. He made it look so easy that we just stopped looking at it. Yeah.

You know what it is, man? When you talk about the point guard position, it's very different than what it was before. And people don't realize magic is the one who ruined the image of a point guard. That's where the image of a point guard was ruined forever. Back before, it was just a guy who didn't really control it, move it. And then you got a 6'9 dude that was a small four that

had the vision better than the point that can do all of it. And because he was so unselfish, everybody wanted that. That is a unicorn. You can't get that. Right?

You can't get Michael Jordan. You can't get Shaquille O'Neal. You can't get LeBron. You can't get Kobe. You can't get Wimby. There's just fucking people you just can't recreate. But that was the problem. They wanted this purity of a point guard who passed the ball. But they didn't realize it was a small forward who just had fucking vision.

Just like Jokic. You can't find another center that's going to be able to do what he do. So don't go there looking for it. Because you wasn't looking for it when it came. Right. That was his ability. So then when you talk about the original point guard assessment, you're looking at John Stockton. So John Stockton.

Isaiah Thomas. The smaller ones. If you're saying he a unicorn, let's take him out. You take him out. Now look at all the point guards other than Magic Johnson. They all have something in common. Say it'd be the Jason Kidds, the Chris Pauls, the Steve Nash, Mark Jacksons. So somebody like Oscar Robertson and Westbrook, they don't belong in this category.

Or they belong at the top of it, and we try to save everybody else. No, but what I'm saying is, these are the two guys, like this new guard, my era guard that was coming in. It's unfair for us, right? But it's unfair for the pure point, right? You can't compare the two.

Because what Westbrook is going to have over the Magic Johnsons is he's going to have more rebounds and more assists because of how he plays the game. I mean, more rebounds and more points because of how he plays the game. They're going to have more assists because of how they play the game. Because of the structure of the game. Because of the structure of the game. So it's hard to say who's the best point guard ever.

It should just be a whole nother category. What you just said is the system that allows Westbrook to create, I'm going to not Westbrook, but who'd you say before that? Oscar. Oscar. So when you're looking at how Westbrook creates, not with his structure, but with his athleticism and his speed and his down court, he can get the easy man open that attributes to his his IQ level He doesn't need the structure to get the assist. He should still get tennis. It's a game He can still get Tim ten rebounds again. So my thing knock was on what on Westbrook wasn't on him It was on Steven Adams because if you got a rebound and big and you're still getting ten boards

That says something different than your big average in six or seven or eight and you're averaging 11 or 12 that means that he's doing what jason kidd was telling people to do box out go i got the rebound we'll push we'll push ahead the brooke lopez yeah i'll box my guy out you get the rebound right it's it's i got a new i got a new outlook on the point guard position now that that it's just a weird like I like if somebody asked me And they think it's weird, but it's the only way I can make it make sense the best point guard is Magic right now if you say the best guards that means now my combo type of guards can go into the category

I will have Steph in front of magic, right? So I'll say, you know Steph is part of my top five, but magic is my number one point guard But how's that because the purity of the point guard position is this? Right. He added something that this guy didn't have this guy has something he don't so they don't they can't compare to each other But I can't go pay a jack Jokic two different skill sets. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like so there's things you're gonna be Jokic's habit is gonna have more sister Shaq You can't do that was because that's his that's his that's what he's adding to a game that wasn't here before statistically

Stat man stat man. That is me. Russell Westbrook is the greatest point guard of all time. Statistically. Statistically? Statistically. Yeah, if he's averaged a triple-double. Statistically, there's no debate about it.

You're right. If you're talking about, yeah. The ability shit that we do have an argument about, where Steph's in there and all the other ones, and we got to actually have a conversation about magic, really being in there as a point other ones and you know we got to actually have a conversation about magic really being in there as a point I'm like okay now we have a conversation but statistically if we go like LeBron being

the greatest statistic from a statistical we can't debate it like number one 22 8 and 7 in his career excuse me Westbrook 22 8 and 7 in his career best 1175 games obviously those numbers then he wouldn't be... Okay, so I guess we have to do it

just how Underdog does it. Where you do it by totals. Right? What is the totals you bring into the game? Meaning anybody, like let's say Steve Nash averages 17 and 12. Right? So you're sitting

around about 29, 30-something points plus a little rebound. So his totals would be like, what, 41 maybe? Yeah, like 36, 37. Yeah, but with a little bit of rebound. And then add some three. Oh, you're saying points, rebounds, assists. Okay, you're saying add that. Points, assists, and rebounds.

Okay. Now they have to do it like that to see who generated the most production Now you're talking about you're sitting here with the Luca But then remember look at that point points rebounds and assists. Are you adding defensive? We don't know efficiency. The problem is the defense is efficient Oh, you got magic because we don't 11 and 7 in his career. So 20 so there's point You want this guy sitting around about 40 something points See the problem is that this new school the way the game is being played

They have more points and like two or three on the soda averaging like 10 11 more points But they're only three or four says behind All of the going to rebound so like Lucas in that I like 50, like, Luka's sitting at, like, 50-something points. Westbrook is sitting at something about 50-something points. So... That's the capabilities of getting you a triple-double and getting this amount of points every night. Luka, Westbrook...

Yeah, so it's... So that's how you have to do it to see who is the most... Who put the most production. That's why the comparisons are difficult. Or when people say, well, who's the best point guard of all time? I think it's unfair.

Yeah. It really is. Because it really has nothing to do with championships. It just should be production. What is the production? What are you getting out of the individual itself? But it also should have a framework

of what that player's style is because player's style matters. Darren Williams in comparison to Chris Paul, similar styles. And then you got Dame Lillard compared to Russell Westbrook. Or Dame Lillard, actually Dame... Differentok. Or Dame Lillard, like actually Dame... Different styles.

Yeah, different styles. Different styles. So it's like Westbrook's style is one of a kind. Yep. So when you put his style up against CP, Jose Calderon, John Stockton... You don't know how to judge it. But you have to judge it with style

because now you're like, well, they both give you production the same, but look how he does it in comparison to he does it. He does it with structure the system. He does it with athleticism brute strength and intimidation Which one would you prefer? Always love having these great conversations with y'all. Yeah, I got it. I got it. Y'all want to hear something So I Can a, this is a great. Now, we're talking about top tier, like one or two, like in the world of their sport.

Guess what? kid, their kid want to ask me about the sport that their parent is a great in over their parent. That's crazy, right? Like, imagine, like, Bronny James want to ask me about basketball, but his father's Bronny James, right? This is LeBron James. That's crazy, right? Where are you going with this?

The truth? You tell my... Huh? No, I'm just saying, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? Somebody want to talk to me after me and talk about some basketball, you know? Come on.

What's happening? I wonder why your back is turned today. Oh, my God. It's you, Shay? It's okay. Sure? Oh, sure, son. Want to talk to me about basketball.

That's all I'm saying. My son was like, Mom, you're doing Gil's today? I was like, yeah. He was like, oh, oh, I need to talk to him. First, I was like, you don't even know him.

Yes, I do. You know him. No, but he was like, oh, listen, you know I got in my feelings. I was like, hold on a minute. I was like, what, you know I got in my feelings. I was like, hold on a minute. I was like, what do you need to talk to Gil about? He was like, Mom, some basketball stuff.

For real, I was like, son, what do you need? Right? I got you. I was like, talk to me. I got you. And then he was like, Mom. So I was like, what do you need? What is your question?

I'll ask him. So he was like, Mom, no, can you just ask him if I can talk to him? And if he says yeah, then call question? I'll ask him. So he's like, Mom, no, can you just say, ask him if I can talk to him? And if he says yeah, then call me and I'll ask him. Like, I was really in my feelings. Shout out to Jordan Jackson. G League Dunk Contest winner 2024.

There's just shit. I can't, no, not that. But he was like, I just got a couple questions. So the first question, he was like, I just need to talk to him. So he now is with the I can't know not that He was like I just need to talk to him, okay So so he now is with the Chicago boy Windy City Bulls G League team So he was like I just need to talk to him like and find out like what his mentality was with certain things Was like well ask me

He's like mom. Can you just ask him if I can talk to him? Mom. I said, Gil, can you talk to my son, please? I don't want to know nothing else. Mike, he can't ask you. Yeah, so, you know, going in the G League and coming off the bench, he was like, well, I never did nothing else, so I don't know. I don't know nothing about how to deal with that.

I don't know what the bench looked like. What is that? Is that like the little cherry section where they do when I score buckets. They get the palm bombs out. Yeah. I was thinking I'd call him before we start and then he don't answer the phone.

So I was like, well, it can't be that important. But he texted me. He was like, Mom, call me back. Is this a certain role you just didn't go through? I'm done. I'm going to do my part. I'm going to let... Yeah.

But you know what? You didn't have to bring it up. You didn't have to bring it up. You didn't have to bring it up like that. I should have known when he did the back turn. You saw the back... I got all of it. No, because I'm like, it's about to end. I got an important call. I got a training session coming up.

I got to help out the youth. For a minute, I was like, where is he going with this? Huh? This is interesting. So we asked you about Brandon, though. I was thinking Nick. I was thinking Nick. I was thinking Nick Jr. I thought it was Brandon. I thought Brandon was getting true.

I can't help Nick, son. It's trash. We asked the chat, does Westbrook belong in the PG GOAT conversation? 65% say yes. Good job, chat. Way to go, Brandon. You know, you guys are very good today. Now let's move on to Mostly Fans.

Question. Almost got it. Almost had it. Bam. Almost had it. Okay. Now here's another guy who's sitting here in different land. Where do you put Harden? One or two?

Shooting guards? Or point guards? Or point guards? Or do you put them? See, those. Is that a me combo? We need a combo guard. Yeah.

We need a combo guard lane. Yeah. A strictly combo guard lane. He wouldn't be at number one on either one of those lists, though. No, but they got him... What's so funny, they got him third

as shooting guards. Which is... Which is... Yeah. Which is right. It's right. Do you wait in front of them or no? Oh, they still got... Yeah, they still got... Yeah, shooting guards. Yeah, you're right. It's right. D-Wade in front of him or no?

Oh, they still got D-Wade. Yeah, shooting guard. You've got to have a combo guard. Where do you put him? If it was combo, he'd be number one. Because of numbers. Wouldn't Westbrook be a combo? I wouldn't put Westbrook as combo.

What classifies as... I wouldn't put him as combo. You only want to put Westbrook as combo because of his athleticism. He's still a traditional point guard. He's just stronger and faster than all the rest of them. I agree with that. He makes all the traditional plays. He don't do anything outside the court.

I think because his engine is so powerful, that he's going and he's already there, even though he wants the pass. He wants the pass. He's there, like, I got to score. Yes, man, though he wants the pat he wants the bag. I got a school Yes, man. That's what the brilliance about him is he knows the difference, but I think he gets caught up in all the bullshit around It sometimes takes his eye off of the ball But yeah statistically Westbrook is definitely up there Well now let's move on to mostly fans for really my underdog download that views, get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pick-em.

So our question today is from Underdog user PabloJuan96. PabloJuan. PabloJuan96. I hear you guys often refer to guys as just working out to work out or simply saying they haven't gotten any better in the off season. What did your offseason training consist of? Love this question.

You said you love this question. For me, personally, I looked at what my weaknesses were. Like, what was my actual weaknesses that I need to improve on? And then at the beginning of the summer, I attacked that. Like, I really was aggressive with, you know, working on my left hand, working on, like, midis, like, going left, moving left, stepping left. Like, just for me personally, like, trying to add, like, when they say add something every year,

that is the concept, something you don't have in your bag, right? If you, if this is what I look like, I have the right side, I can move right. And then I start opening up the left. Think about my game itself, right? It becomes a full circle thing where I'm a complete player. So that is, should be the idea. So that's how I trained. I trained in trying to be a complete player offensively. A complete offensive player. Right? Like, you know, if I be like, okay, man, I wasn't moving without the ball,

then going into that summer, I'm gonna play off the ball the whole summer. Just working on back cutting, back door, and moving, conditioning is gonna be part of my regimen. let's try let's go over this side um the most enjoyable part about training was the shot making, the preparation, the analyzing. I made sure that it wasn't so much about getting shots up

and doing individual drills and moves. It was more about understanding where my place was in the offense and how I could take most advantage of my opportunities within the offense. A lot of times guys get caught up in training for things they're never going to do in the game. And they waste time. And if you're not assessing your game inside of the game and knowing where your shots can come from, you're not going to be efficient. So I prided myself on being efficient within the concept of the game, the plays, and the whole nine. So I didn't focus on so much dribbling the ball.

I didn't do a lot of ball handling because I wasn't the point guard. Point guard has the ball in his hand most of the time. When I catch it, I shoot it. So my focus was shot making. It wasn't being in the gym shooting a bunch of shots. It was being in the gym making a bunch of shots. So I would be in the gym 45 minutes if I needed to,

and I made 92% of my shots. So I would be in the gym 45 minutes if I needed to. And I made 92% of my shots. I know I'm sharp. I know I could correct on real time and I ain't wasting time in the gym. If I want to be in the gym three hours, I'm definitely not being in there shooting 300,000 shots and only making 25% of them just to say I'm in the gym. So I did a lot of my work early in college. So when I got to the league, my bag, I had to put stuff back in the bag because I didn't need a lot of the shit because I wasn't going to use it inside the offense. So I think that's the best part of training to me, attention

to detail, going through all of those progressions, just making shots. Being a shot maker is probably the best feeling. Cheryl, over making shots. Being a shot maker is probably the best feeling. Cheryl, over to you. Yeah, I probably did a lot of what Gil did. Like the stuff that I was really good at, I worked on it just to keep it sharp, but not focusing so much on that.

For me, it was about what my weaknesses were, what I wasn't that good at, but also knowing how my defenders were going to guard me. I always worked on like counter moves and counter to a counter. And like Rashard,

I didn't spend a whole lot of extra time in the gym working on shit that I knew I really wasn't going to do. I didn't. But I know a lot of people now, they'll go to the gym and they're in there for five hours. You come out and you haven't gotten any better. Any better at all.

Yeah. Wasted time. Playing against cones. Unbelievable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I said, three, four hours. They don't even use chairs anymore, cones. They use like these fake defenders.

I call it, you know, you're just working out. You got to work out. You didn't get better. Like you spent two hours. You did these drills here and there, ran up and down, got a little dunk, got a little what? And then the season started and you're still doing the same thing. You've been doing two days, two days all summer doing that and then get into the season

and you didn't get better. You wonder why shit ain't because you're not trying to get great at something. And that was what I loved about my third year. My third year was a reflection of me focusing on where I was going to get my shots.

I felt so comfortable that third year because I knew if I mastered these positions and these possessions, I was going to get 15, 20 a game. And it was like I'm coming off the bench with no pressure. But it also goes to what type of training partners you choose. And I want to give a shout out to Jamal Lavelle, which is a.k.a. Dashletics. He was one of the guys who understood how to be a sponge and learn what players want from training. Right. When we want to be sharp, you don't come in with a plan for us. You come in and listen to our plan, what we want to do. He was perfect for that.

And right now, he's the biggest trainer in the world. He's working with all the top guys. So I want to give a shout out for him for being a sponge and learning what the players need. We want to train a certain way to be sharp.

And if you got a trainer that can do that, that's what's going to happen. You see results. Dash? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dash was the guy. When I retired and we was in the gym, and I remember he was doing something,

working out with someone, and I got up, and I said, hey, can I chime in? And I said, no offense, but when you're coming off, you can shoot the ball. So what he's kind of teaching you is kind of opposite of you. Yeah. Right? I'm pretty sure you was a guard

that didn't really shoot the ball, so that's how they're going to play. He was. A guy playing like this, they're going to hard show. They're going to do this. So you have to pull and then go like that. And then Dash, at the end, he was like,

man, I appreciate that, man. And what else did you see? And that's crazy because I really interrupted. He could have really been offended. Like, yo, don't be coming in here teaching my shit. No, Dash was like, hey, man, tell me more. I'm practicing. I'm training against this, this, this.

And then I'll come there every day, and I'm working with him. We'll sit down for an hour after. Real spunk. And then he was like, okay, what drills do you have to work on that? So I'm giving him my drills and all that stuff and look at him now and I'm like...

Progression. I was there since he got here. Okay. So I seen him when he got off the boat. He was doing his... He was trying to get in.

Yep. And all it took was somebody to just pull him to the side and be like, bro, nah, man. I got you. Let me show you this shit.

And then he started learning from you. He started learning from Cout got you. Let me show you this shit. And then he started learning from you. He started learning from Coutinho. He started learning from Trickle Down. And now he was coaching assistant coaches

for the Sparks with Derrick Fisher. So he worked with Lexi. He worked with a lot of people. But at this point, I want to just give him the shout out because I understand

the basis of what we're talking about. He works with Jalen. Hmm? He works with Jalen. Oh, yeah. He works with KD, too. Yeah. So Jalen. Oh, wow. He works with KD too. Yeah So, I mean he he get it done, but the training is essential man

It's essential to what you do in offseason. Can't cheat the game can't cheat the grind That's a good place for us to stop today shot. Appreciate you being here cemetery Larry dream killer championship trials I'm appreciate you other than me Coors this man does it. Coors Light. Yeah, I'll see you on that Coors Light. A delicious beverage if you're 21 and over. What you think, I play playing now? You be drinking beer?

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