Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Debates What's Next For The Knicks & Spurs

Episode Date: June 16, 2026

Gil's Arena Debates What's Next For The New York Knicks & San Antonio Spurs as the Gil's Arena Crew continues to break down the NBA Finals following the Knicks epic run to the NBA Championship and debate if this series sparked a new rivalry in the league between Victor Wembanyama's Spurs and Jalen Brunson's Knicks. They also examine the Knicks unprecedented run through the NBA Playoffs and debate if their 16-3 run including 14 straight wins was one of the greatest playoff runs in NBA history, before reacting to next season's odds for the NBA Championship where they break down if the Knicks can be the first team in 8 years to go back to back. Next, they do a post mortum on the San Antonio Spurs and discuss what's next for the team that fell short this season as they face big decisions with players like De'Aaron Fox, Dylan Harper and head coach Mitch Johnson. Finally, they react to OKC Thunder GM Sam Presti clapping back at the flopping narrative surrounding his franchise superstar Shai Gilgeous Alexander and discuss LeBron James' upcoming free agency where the Golden State Warriors are quietly emerging as a top suitor, allowing LeBron to team up with other aging legends like Steph Curry & Draymond Green. PLEASE give us a LIKE & SUBSCRIBE if you enjoy the show. Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Josiah Johnson, Swaggy P, Kenyon Martin, Skip Bayless, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Gil's Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code ARENA and play $5 to get $50 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogsports.com/vgwg/... If prescribed, new sexual health patients get $15 off their first order of Sparks on a recurring plan. Connect with a provider at https://ro.co/ARENA to find out if prescription Ro Sparks are right for you. SUBSCRIBE:    / @thearena0   Read Rashad's Blog - https://rawrashad.com/?blog=y Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) 2 Min Countdown 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:02 Knicks Celebrate With Anti-Wemby Toast 0:05:09 Where do these Knicks rank all-time? 0:20:56 Knicks Chances To Repeat 0:41:19 Grading The Spurs Season 1:08:15 Dylan Harper Breaks Out During The Playoffs 1:20:04 Draymond's Take On Wemby 1:45:57 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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We got a lot to discuss today, though. This is Gilles Arena presented by Underdog Whoop-Woop. Amelia award-winning host Josiah Johnson. We're joined by NBA Champion of the World. Swaggy P. Nick Young. Representing tough crowd, tough crowd golf and a car carrying country club member. We got Mr. B, Brandon, Jenny. Four!

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May or may not have been inebrated. There's also a video that started circulating Monday of Jalen Brunson and other members of the team where a special toast was made. So for the hearing impaired, that was an F. Wimby toast. Although it's unclear of Brunton is actually the one saying that he did raise his glass to the toast. And for good reason, as Brunton found himself on the wrong end of a few questionable moments with Wimby in the finals. We have a few for your viewing pleasure. You may remember. You might remember the shove to the dome in game three in Madison Square Garden in front of the president.

And also getting shaken up after Wimby closed out underneath him on a three-point attempt. Looked down low. Look malicious, right? You do have a big-ass foot though, Swaggy, but... To look down to... You just, you know, he made sure to know where that foot was at. So Wimby avoided any consequences or repercussions for both transgressions. French F. F. F. F. F. F. F. F.

F. F. F. Swanson or any other Knicks after the Spurs were eliminated. Swaggy will start with two. What's your reaction to Brunson and the Knicks saying F. Wimby in their toast after winning the championship? Oh man, I love it. I love it. That's what the Knicks gotta do. They have fun.

They won. You didn't shake my hands. So now you gotta be open for everything that comes with it. If I feel a certain way, after I just, you know, kicked your ass fire in game five, 41. So, yeah, do all the toast. Enjoy the parade. Say F. Windby all summer. All summer.

All summer. T-shirts. T-shirts. They should all have it at the parade on Thursday. Okay. Mr. B, let's shift over to you. You see Brunson in that squad turning up. Obviously, they've been on a tour since then.

Jimmy Fallon, a bunch of other things. But the F. Wimby toast after winning the championship. Yeah. Well, who said it? Like, just some random person? A few? There was a few different voices. We can play the video again.

That is a good question. I made it clear. We don't know if it's Brunson for sure, but he didn't. Yeah, I mean, it probably was somebody just a random Nick fan. But, hey, the season's over. They're having fun. doing what they're supposed to do, have fun and toast and enjoy the moment right now. But, you know, there's another season next year.

And that dude Wimby is coming back next year too. So, you know, fill the fire. I have to wait 100 games at least for the opportunity to get back into the finals. Avenge this finals lost, but can I'll shift over to you when you hear Brunson and that crew. And again, unclear if Brunson was actually the one that said it, a bunch of different voices, all saluting F. Wimby when you hear that toast. What do you think about it? No, I just, why does everything have to be everybody's business?

Like, you know, I'm, I hate the camera phone shit, bro. It's needed when either you want to take pictures of your loved ones and all that shit, but everybody's recording all the time, so no moment is private, no moment is sacred anymore. So I don't think Jalen Brunson would initiate a fucking Wimby toast. He doesn't seem like that kind of reverse. seem like that kind of person. Somebody said it multiple times. Trying to get multiple people,

trying to get everybody to buy into it. But they enjoy themselves, man. Let them celebrate. Long season, well-deserved championship. So it's just, things are going to get out that shouldn't get out like this.

But let them enjoy their moment. And then have a blast this summer, man. Can we hear that video one more time please I'll listen to it about I don't know he's dead A lot of F. Wimby's they're in the club man

Of course That's what you're doing I don't go to the club right We don't do that in Bible study I can't believe this you know This is this is this is You're saying F LeBron and all that after after we won Mr. Rashad.

It's just playing around. Just Rashad. Just Rashad. I try to treat you a respect. That's all good. When you hear that, do we feel like we have the makings of a rivalry brewing between these two squads. No. No.

I think it's respect. He didn't say, they didn't say fuck the Spurs. I think that's his ultimate respect to say fuck Whimmy. Like, he was the one you needed to beat and not the Spurs. So if it's going to be fuck with me all summer shit, I feel like, Wimby don't pay attention to social. media anyway so it's like cool put my name out there if you're talking about me good or bad you're talking about me it don't matter I'm on your mind so I love it it's all social media shit fuck it let it go you know what I'm saying

let it fly nicks deserve it so they deserve to say fuck everybody not just Wendy everybody okay okay let's shift over to you I listened to a video I thought I might have heard your voice wasn't sure I know because you're out here in LA with us but he texts somebody I was there. Okay, I was there. I was there. I've been watching your videos on the app

formerly and on their sweater, skit. I appreciate it. I got one viewer, right? What? Millions, million. Victim Wimbenyama, I believe, was one viewer. What do you think about breast and nix? By the way, Rashad, are you wearing your prediction for next year?

I was just curious. I just love basketball. Oh, that's all. I just love basketball. Let's not get a twist. Are you on the Pistons? No, no, I just love Hoopers. I love Hoopers.

I love basketball. I got a whole closet full of this shit. I got to pick which jersey I want to wear, so I ran out. I'm with all you guys. I don't read too much into what that was. And the Knicks have been on this media tour, and as Josiah suggests, that they'd all had a few, a whole lot of few. And I don't think Jalen Brunson initiative,

the F. Wimby. But I will say this. I do think there's a little brewing bad blood between the shortest man on the floor and the tallest man on the floor. And you did the David and Goliath reference yesterday. And there was a lot of that going on. But if you look back and you show the smush down

or shoved down or whatever that was, and then Dremont did say on his podcast, I know we're going to talk about another podcast. I guess he does one every day. We're going to talk about both of them. All right. Go ahead. But Dremont did say on his podcast going back a week or so ago

that it sure looked at Dremond like Wimby sent one of his best buddies on the team veteran Harrison Barnes into the game to try to take Jalen Brunson out or cheap shot him. And they did bang knees for what that's worth. And then yesterday on X, formerly known as Twitter, there was much made in a long thread about the uncalled flagrant foul on Wimby, where he did come down, as you point out, with slipping his giant shoe underneath Jalen's landing area. And it looks like Wimby is, he's not looking at the ball, trying to block the ball. He's looking down at Jalen's feet as in trying to position his feet to take Jalen Brunson out with a potential ankle injury. And Jailen's had a bunch of ankle injuries in his career. And the suggestion on Twitter was that the NBA would have gone back and looked at that

and almost had to go ahead and reinstate a flagrant call, which would have cost him, obviously, game six back at Madison Square Garden. And so between those two, there are three incidents that did happen where there could be a little bad blood. And I didn't see the rest of the Knicks rush to protect Jalen at all. I didn't see them running to his rescue or the way I think Kenyon would have been in the middle of it once, especially on the shove down play. Maybe they just didn't see it. But I do think, you know, to have a rivalry you need to play. and they're only going to play twice in the regular season, and then what are the odds that they play again in next year's finals?

Not terrible, but not great. And to get a rivalry going, you know, it's like LeBron versus the Spurs. They played three times. LeBron versus Golden State. They played, what, four times? So you're going to need some repetition here of finals over the next couple of years. Is it sure it's possible? And I like it.

I like the, for my sake, our sake, talkability. I like Nick Spurs. I think it's interesting to me. And I like the little man versus the big man. And I would like to see this get run back to show. I would enjoy this. So I do think there's an undercurrent of bad blood between a guy who will never talk about it publicly and Jalen Brunson. And for Wimby, to acknowledge it publicly, I mean, you're talking about a guy who's like 5-11 that you're, you know, so I, but, but I do think there's some reality going on here. There's, there's a little bit of, of early bad blood, especially between Brunson and Wimby. I mean, this is not just limited to 2026. You go back a couple

years, Brunton dropped 61, San Antonio, Wimby through the game ball into the crowd. I don't think, oh yeah, I forgot. That was quite as malicious. That's the ways back, yeah. But, yeah, that's a good, He threw his game ball into the crug. Get a little nigga the ball back, Swah. That's called. He didn't let him take a 60 point. He took the 60 point ball. Spurs got the win through it in the crowd, so.

But they're in the club in that video, right? Yeah. Yeah, see. I think he probably just taking a shot with fans, and you can't control what fans say, though. They do a lot. A lot of voices had it, but a lot of echoes in there. There was a lot of...

There was a lot of... There's going to be a lot of parents. It was a... It ain't gonna do it. Hey! Yeah. It was the, yeah. I could cheer us to that.

I could cheers to that. It was a little extra. Take a shot. Take a shot with me. But I ain't got to... What are you talking about? What, fuck, why are we got to be... Yeah.

No, I'm agreeing with that. In the moment, you lit, though. You know, you know. Hey, don't get out. Like, you know. But it's not even necessarily Nick Spurs, but it feels like we got a brunson wimby even though they're going to play the same position

something for the league to put. I don't do. Well, I think you just got a big versus the small guard. Yeah. Just a thing in general. Because the bigs have been, the bigs have been dominating from Yokic to NB to Greek freak.

So now you got somebody American guard, 511, yeah, that beat an international player. I mean, yeah, we've been on the couch talking about the international players taking over. The European tech? What happened?

Our beef is with the thunder. Our beef is with SGA and them. New York is cool. No, it ain't. No, Wimmy. No, not, Wimmy. This is the second time you didn't lost to an American. No, that's cool, but.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's not cool. What do you mean beef or just rivalry? We're going to kick y'all ass. Okay, but is there bad blood? 100%. You don't remember the final? You don't remember the series? Do I?

Do you remember the other? the other games we beat you guys? Unfortunately, I do. And then, me and you have a rivalry because you like him and I like him and I'm going to be kicking your ass from this one. But there weren't any cheap shots or incidents?

There definitely was. Lou Dort, a whole not. What? Lou Dort did what? He did it to joke. He tackled people. Tackle people?

Yeah. Stefan Castle made the Pro Bowl against the Thunder. But he's a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer. Lou Dort is a Hall of Famer. He's going to be lucky if he's a Thunder. next year. That will make it better for you guys. That will make it better.

A pro bowler. I think this is a football. This is a shift. He missed. He missed it. He missed. He got to catch it. The Knicks. The Knicks did. The Knicks did. Okay. Versus the Spurs. There was a thumb incident after the game. Versus the Spurs too.

I knew they play. I just couldn't remember who won. Is that the first time? So we've seen them NBA Cup championship. I think the Spurs is everybody right. Five and one in championship. Now that Winby is the most hated. Yeah, so they swept the season against that team. That ain't a rivalry. Ain't no rival.

They're kicking the spurs ass. They got the best. They got the best. So they got to meet again. Yeah, they're kicking the spurs, man. The Knicks are putting a beltt ass to the thunder. The Knicks are putting a belttash. So it's 2-1 during the regular season with the NBA Cup.

With the NBA Cup. With the NBA Cup. 4-1 doing that. That ain't no rivalry. And plus they inflicted the Spurs' worst loss of the year was that March first game at Madison Square Garden. They beat them by 26. So they pretty much owned. Into that 11-game streak?

Yeah. American first European players are. Yeah, that's not. America's winning, Mr. Yeah, we take that OKC. That's seven-game series over here. Well, good luck to you. That's what I'm saying.

That's the rival. That's the rival because they're in the same conference. They got a chance to play in the playoffs multiple times. I want them to meet in the first, second round. Sometimes, like, that's where it's going to be shaping out. Okay. But obviously, if my second and third best players are healthy next year, you're done. How?

Yeah. What do you mean? How? We took you all the way to the... I know better than your players. I know. but we took you to the wire in game seven without our second third best score.

Because you had three other players on the floor, with you? He was referees. Facts without a second. Yeah, we had gutless seven-footer on the floor. That ain't our fault. This is a third team all-N-BA. Maybe he'll grow up here by next year. Hey, DeN-Foy.

Would you help? He needs to go see the wizard. He does. It's true. He needs a heart. He needs to come and train with you for an off-season. He needs the line or what the lion was to occur. He needs a heart.

These balls. We had Deering Fox on the floor. You need to go see the wizard. I mean, you're going to compare apples and oranges. Come on now. Let's take a deeper dive into this Knicks squad. Nix went 16 and 3 overall this postseason, 15 and 1 in their last 16 games, including a 13-game winning streak.

NBA record, nine straight row wins. Their 14.9 point average margin of victory for the entire playoff set an NBA record, won three straight over the Hawks in the first round after going down 2-1 swept the Sixers swept the Cavs in the Eastern Conference finals including that game one where they overcame a 22.4th quarter deficit. Gentlemen swept the Spurs.

Their three losses worked by combined six points this postseason and their 16 wins were by a combined 289 points. So a question for you, gentlemen. Did the Knicks just deliver one of the greatest playoff runs in NBA history? Yes. Yes.

That's domination. Your losses combined by six points. Yeah. When you say it that third, that said all. I need to, yeah, absolutely. That's a hell of a run, man. That's a hell of a run. Your first round, you down 2-1.

Where does it rank? Where does it rank? Yeah. Is it top of it? Because I don't got to really do some research. The run? Yeah, the run. Yeah, I mean, you got Dirk's run.

I think Ty for the ninth best season record all time, but again, that 15 and 1 after that 1 and 2 start. Yeah, that run there, 15 and 1 after the first round, 15 and 1? All foreclosed out game. I'm gonna get at. Lakers went. I mean, because- That's a hell of a run, though. The reason why I'm hesitant is because we talked about whoever wins the East is going

get beat by whoever wins the West. Who said that? That was a conversation on the couch. Yes, it was. community. Yes, it was like the East is not strong enough. Yes, we did say, yes, because we were talking about Detroit possibly coming out and being in the States.

And it was like, whoever comes out on the East, they're not strong enough to be SGA or Joker or whoever it was on the West that came out. And nobody was thinking that the Spurs would be the team that come out. We was all, I'm not going to say we, but most people were thinking that OKC would beat the Spurs and go on and then go beat whoever's on the East. But that wasn't the case. I mean, 15 and 1 is very impressive, but you look at the East and you say, all right, they came back against what team? Okay, who was out there playing and who was hurt?

Who was this? Like, them are not excuses more so than knowing who you're up against. If the East is weak and if that's what we're saying, the East is weak, and then New York 15 and won it after having a threat against Atlanta is up in the air because you look at the Spurs trajectory and the United. path they had to take, you got to go through, who they play first round? Portland, then the Timberwolves, and then OKC, like, that's a tougher road. I heard Timberwolves and I heard OKC. It's tough. It's just the team.

Yeah, yeah, they were hurt, yeah. Who was her? Minnesota. Anthony Edwards, I mean, the whole, did he play? But he wasn't healthy. Did he play? Yeah, but who else was out? Nobody.

A.O. A.O. Dimmis. Yeah. Jins. Yeah, like that's the way that was the easy road for y'all too. Okay. So does everybody have an easy road every year?

There are injuries every year. Every year? Literally won a championship last. I don't want to go back to memory land. But y'all's was harder than, then, then yes, the East for sure. Or just, I'm just saying prior years, prior years. They were seven with okay, see, I mean. Okay, C defending champs, so that's expected.

And they, they, they, they've been, that's expected for them to do. I mean, but this team, I mean, but these, I mean, but these dudes, this say first time in the playoffs. Man, you're going to get... Nobody expected the Spurs to do this. Come on now, let's be real. You're going to get Wiggins, Dork, Hockenstein, and you'll start line up.

Dirk, Harkestine. And y'all acting like, that's, like, super hard. What are you talking about there going to game? I'm saying they had one player. Literally, shee, one player. Literally one player on that team. What are you talking about, well? The Spurs.

You're saying that was hard. Y'all went to a seven, game seven with just Shea. Dirk was nowhere around. Bro, did you watch the game? Yes, did you? What are you talking? They had a team. They had the whole team except for who didn't play?

Jaylon Williams. Why not? The second best one. Yeah, that's-J. Mitchell got hurt. In that series. That was game two. That series. Like, he played the rest of the play-all.

He played the other games. They won five more games. He played games prior to that. If he got hurt in game two, they played five more games in that series. They did. Hey, unfortunate for him. Yeah. Fortunate for him.

People get hurt. For them. The team. And things happen, but you still got the rest of your team. So can we say both sides then were weak then? If we're going to... I'm not going to say that the West was weak because anybody could have came out of the West. And anybody could have came out of the East?

Obviously not. If you were 15 and 1, how could anybody come out of the East that you're 15 and 1? Because you got to play the games. That's how anybody can come out of the, you got to play the games. It wasn't a foregone conclusion. How many seven-game series was in the East? Who cares? We're having the conversation.

But I'm five. There were one. Who cares? War one. Who cares? Because there were a multiple seven game series on the West. They did the surprise like they did everybody else, though. Like the Knicks had the opportunity to go seven, but they were better than them teams.

They swept them. And then they didn't they swept the sports. There were seven games scheduled. They just didn't need them. Right? All them games are scheduled for seven games. They just didn't need them. Business and Magic went seven.

That's all. Caves and Rappers went seven. Sixers in Boston. Boston went seven. But they all could have. Bissus and calves went seven. Could have, but. So, we had three.

What about on the West? So there was three seven game series on the West. I don't believe there was any, in the East, excuse me, there wasn't any on the West in the first round. None in the first round. Conference semis, you had Detroit and Cleveland that went seven. No games on the West, went seven in the second round. and then obviously conference finals.

So just one. That's only one game. There's only one series. None of them series was the Knicks. The Knicks didn't go seven with nobody. No, they whipped the ass. They put foot to ass. They went six with the Hawks in the first round,

swept, swept, gentleman swept. Yeah. It was scheduled. There were games on the... Yeah, it was game. It was... If necessary, they put it in parentheses, it says, if necessary.

They weren't necessary. Which is why... I'm going to make the case that the Knicks run was the greatest playoff run ever. Whoa. Ever. And I'm going to start with the fact that the Knicks were the third biggest long shot to win it all in the last 50 years. They went in 17 to 1 odds to win it all. 17 to 1.

It's a long shot. And the candidates that you could say are above them are the Warriors in 2017 because they went 16 and 1 overall. And then you got the Shaq Kobe Lakers of 01 who went 15 and 1 overall versus 16 and 3 for these Knicks. But when I look at the 2017 Warriors and obviously the 01 Lakers, they were prohibitively favored to win it all. Like it was over before it started because it was Shaq and Kobe and Derek Fisher and Rick Fox and Robert Orry and Ron Harper was. on that team and Brian Shaw. They were just loaded and they were going to win at all. And the 2017 Warriors obviously had added this seven-foot jump shooter from Oklahoma City

who just changed it all. So now you got Kevin Durant joining forces with those guys, so prohibitively favored. And yet these Knicks, in point differential, they were plus 283. through their whole 16 and 3 run. And that shattered the record of the 2017 warriors who were overall plus 250. So it beat it by, I'm sorry, 230. So it beat it by 53 points overall. So they're going through the east, and I think we all agree,

the east was weaker than the West for sure. I mean, you could say it's laughably weaker. But when you look at those three close-out games in the east, on their path, they're all on the road, and they average winning all three of them by 39 points a night. Well, that's ridiculously dominant. And it is pro basketball.

I mean, they do have players who are getting pay, right? And then they get to the, well, let's just do the Lakers. They shattered, or didn't shatter, but they broke the Lakers record for winning eight straight road, playoff games, they won nine in a row on the road. And the ninth was a close-out game in San Antonio against the heavily favored Spurs. And that was the third time they beat the Spurs

in their house. In the NBA finals, you did that? You went and won three times at their place as prohibited underdogs. I don't know, that's pretty great to me, given the degree of difficulty, I don't know what's not to love about all that. They just kept doing it and doing it

when they got on their rampage role, and then they did it both ways. They did it dominating, and then they did it five straight times where they fell behind by 10 or more points, and one night they fell behind by 29 points, and they said, watch this. I don't know.

As far as a run goes, how can you get any greater than that? as an underdog, right? It's almost like fairy taleish where you just say, that's impossible how they did it. But they left no doubt, did they?

I mean, I mean, they were able to do it because the team they played against was young and inexperienced. Okay, but they did have the one player that was supposed to be way better than anybody they did. How can you say the E.C.,

greatest defensive season in the NBA history? according to the square music? Yeah. Well, how can you say the East was, like, super weak, and they did what they did to the Spurs, to the West? Because Boston wasn't who they were. But they beat the top team in the West four to one.

Yep. They beat the top team in the... Spurs is the top team in the West. I mean, yeah, they came. I mean, they wouldn't... OKC. They did the same thing to everybody, though. But you can't say...

That's why I don't get how you say the... I can see if it went seven in the finals, but they did the same thing they did to everybody. in the East to the Spurs, to the top team in the West. But does injuries matter? Because y'all say injuries matter one moment, and then you say it don't matter the next moment. Were the Spurs not healthy?

No, I'm talking about what Brandon was just saying about, you got Philly, you got all the other teams on the East that were going through injury problems, and they didn't have their full rosters and so on and so forth, but New York gets there because you will yourself to win. You find a way to win. You find a way to win. Same thing in the West too, though, if we go.

Yes. But you look at the West and you look at the teams that we look at to be going to the finals. From the Nuggets to the T-Wolves to the Houston Rockets to saying, all right, we expect in these teams to at least face each other and make it a good playoff. So the Spurs beat the Blazers. We kind of figured that. Then you look at the T-Wolves and the Nuggets, we don't, I personally didn't think that it was going to end up being a T-Wolves.

beating the nuggets the way that it was being promoted. So the nuggets lose to them, were they healthy? The nuggets seemed, were they healthy or not? Yeah, they're healthy, pretty healthy. So it's like they win and then OKC played who in the first round? OKC played Phoenix. Phoenix in the first round and then the Lakers. Lakers without Luca.

Lakers, no Luca, but halfway Austin Reeves. Halfway Austin Reeves. But they did whip the Lakers out all season. Say, just say that then. Ant Man was half, half. He wasn't. They beat the Nuggets with no Ant Man, remember? Who beat the Nuggets?

Oh, Tim was, remember? Ant Man was out. So think about, so think about the injury. Like, we're not going to use the injuries as a reason why team shouldn't win. Like, you play with who you got. Then they lost. Ant Man came back. He played hurt.

You lost anyway. That's GA. He's playing without A.J. Mitchell. He playing without Jail and Williams. You still got to play. Check, step up. All the other guys, step up. Like, all right, you don't step up.

Step back. Boston Celtics chemistry all over the place. They didn't have Tatum for the class. But then you look at the Spurs, Deeran Fox, Dylan Harper got hurt, went down, XYZ. That's one thing. But SGA, he had his guys, but didn't have his guys, but you know who had all his guys the whole time?

Jalen Brunson. Jalen Brunson. Healthy Knicks squad. Except for Mr. Robson busted. And he played anyway. He played anyway. He played anyway. He played anyway.

So. O.G. Ninoby mess up his hamstring. I think O.G. He did? Yeah. Hamstring. Issues earlier in the playoffs.

Was it the Hawks, the Hawks series? I think. I think it was going into the next series. Yeah. They ended up coming back strong. So, I mean, God's going to be hurt, but you're going to win, you got to win. So he says it's the greatest. So he said it's the greatest.

The OG only played two games against the sixers in the sixers. I don't know how. What's wrong with it? Like, like, what, how can you, what can you nitpick on it? What can you, I don't know. The greatest? Yeah, the greatest playoff run. Once they flip the switch against the Hawks, flip the script.

You have to have something to compare it to. Well, I got, on just pure one loss, it's, it's the 2017 Warriors and the 2001 Lakers. That's what you compare it to. Are you saying, because it's an underdog story, And because they shattered records of those teams, what they did with point differential and road playoff wins. I can't see it. I mean, it's pre. I can't argue that.

It's just hard to argue against it. And I'm trying because I have a rivalry with Stephen A. Smith. And he confided to me the other night. He said, I was just living in fear that your cowboys are going to break through a win again before my Knicks won again. Okay. The match you this. Yeah. But you think that the Spurs match up to the Cavs as the Cavs were the opponent for the Warriors?

You think that that team is like similar in firepower? Now Spurs. This Spurs in that that 17 Cavaliers team with LeBron. Oh, oh. K-Love and all them, like comparing those two as far as the Knicks and Warriors comparing their opponents. Okay, comparing their opponents to making it, to making it magical. Oh, I see. What you mean?

The clap, Cleveland Cavaliers is better? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. So like the greatest, it's like I feel like the Warriors had to beat a better team to continue to run as a favorite. And to get over that hump, they had to beat a better team. And then we look at the injuries that happened to that team that forced that back-to-back thing to happen, whatever they want to use to say, Kyrie was down, K-Love was down, whatever. Like, those are things.

So we're matching up the greatest I still I would give the Warriors still a favorite over that Yeah I'm gonna give the Warriors I just feel like the Spurs they're young and they're not experienced So it's like that that's the coach was an experience First time it's just I put I don't know I'm gonna put a lot on that one But the teams before they got to them as well though

I know so that's why I know but that's why I think they were the underdogs though But that's why I think the spurs were the underdogs As much as we were going for the teams the spurs to me because they went from not making the playoffs to making the playoffs second place to going to the finals. Who thought that was coming? Nobody thought that was coming.

I did, too. I thought they were going to be really good. They got the team Fox. When we talk about Cleveland, though, you think about the Cleveland team. These are two experienced teams that matched up in the finals. Quick point of order, back me up on this, Josiah.

Game one, 2017 at Oracle. LeBron broke his hand after the game. Quote, unquote. Oh, no. Quote on quote, Skip. You saw the cast. Quote unquote. Remember.

Couldn't even dapp up. He wears a cast to the post-game interview after game four, right, after they're swept. Oh, that's good. That was my ear. Right? Okay, so you got an injury factor there. Didn't want to make it a bow. Hey, LeBron had 50 game one.

Then J.R. did that six. It was a tough one. Well, LeBron had... You knew it was going to win, but... Lebron had a shot to win the game and passed it to George Hill. I don't know that usually reliable Georgia yeah I think the spurs could have got them back in the day though if Kauai didn't get hurt which which series the the year with the first year

Katie got there okay but could we say they broke all those well that was when when Zaza did he did yeah that's the they was winning it's the Zaza rule yeah yeah but we say they broke all those records because the wars was blowing teams out that's what and they didn't have to play in the fourth quarter a lot then they point different would have been greater than? If it would have been closer games? You said it was blowing them out, right? The Warriors was blowing people out?

Right, because Stephan... Right, because Stefan... But then, to the point differential would have been greater than this Knicks team. You see what I'm saying? Okay. Okay. So they broke their record.

So this Knicks team has the all-time point differential. So whatever the Warriors was doing in 17, the Knicks out did them this postage. And for far as that stat. By a ton, by 53 points. The Houston series. We were seven. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

We blew everybody else out. We moved forward, forward, and then seven. So you was there. So you was there. So you know, was the West tougher then you looked back. It was just Houston. Just Houston. Who else was in the playoffs?

Who else y'all played? New Orleans, the Spurs and Houston. Portland was good, too, right? With Dane? That was the year after me. After you, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, the Spurs... That's when they lost to Toronto. Remember they went to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, with no KD. Yeah. That's when Clay got hurt. Clay got hurt, Katie, got hurt, yeah.

But weren't you... As I recall, the Spurs were up on you in game one pretty, like maybe by 18 or 20 or so? That was the year with Zaza. I was in there that year. Okay, okay, you weren't. Yeah, Zaza did that dirty. Yeah, so the Spurs was... Oh, that's 20?

18? No Kauai just spurs. They were going to get y'all out of there. They was about to get them out of there. They was going to get y'all out of there. Kauai was going to get y'all out of there. For sure. So, comparing the West back then and the east today,

which one is the harder? Because we're talking about point differential. The point differential between y'all run and then the Knicks run. So he's saying like the Knicks run. Was it an easier run for the point differential? to even... Nick, average 14.9, that Warriors' thing was 13.5.

So obviously, Nick's had two more games in the Warriors in that postseason. So the total number is going to be a little different. Yeah, I just, I don't... Because you got to play the games, man. Like, I don't... East was weak.

West was weak. It's a playoff team, right? It's a playoff team that was... deserved to be there. And the teams out there whooping y'all ass. So...

That's just what it is. Like, so I don't care if the East was. was weaker back then or the West was weaker now or vice versa. It doesn't matter. They're a playoff team. And the important differential is what it is. You put their uniform on, they whipped your ass.

Then, and the Knicks whooped ass this year. All right. Let's dive deeper into these Knicks. NICS finished third in the East this season with a record of 53 and 29. Won the NBA Cup back in December on their third title on franchise history, but first in 53 years. Nick's eighth different team to win the chip in the last eight season. In that span, four teams from the east, four teams from the West have hoisted the Larry O'Brien trophy, but no team has returned to the finals in the following year. So let's take a look at the odds right now for them to come back. Underdog has the Knicks as the third favorite to win the title next season behind the Thunder and Spurs.

This is a conversation we have before the Nix won the championship. Now it's the conversation we need to have after the Nix and won the championship. Kenan, we'll start with you. Should the NICs run it back with the core or try to change the roster for next season? for next season. I'm glad this is up here and I said I guarantee if they win it, they won't be the favorite next year. You did say that.

Like they won't be the favorite and this says what I'm, my thought process is. It's been no team has repeated in the last eight years because they remain the same. They lose pieces. Other people get paid in other places. You got to tweak your roster a little bit. Other teams are shooting for what you just did. other teams are getting better the playoff teams from this year

think they got a chance for next year some teams that were close next year think they can make the playoffs next year and if you remain stagnant your chances are repeating are slim you might get back to the playoffs you might get back to the West

and comes finals but good luck and for the odds to be this right now after they just won it I think you should upgrade if you have an opportunity opportunity to upgrade your roster, I don't see why it should stop because you won. Right? Other teams are gunning for you, so you have to get better. You can't have that

championship hangover. You can't, all those things are real, so we've seen it. The Warriors came out this year, this past season came out, the gates hot, 24 and 1, which a lot of teams don't do after winning. It's a championship hangover. I mean the Thunder. I mean, they came out 24-1, my bad. They came out 24-1 hot out the gate. That normally don't happen because of the championship hangover.

If you have an opportunity to upgrade your roster, I'm all for it after winning it. And we talked about the Knicks maybe adding Janice. If that's a possibility, why wouldn't it? And people think I'm crazy for it. But you got the Thunder and Spurs. Thunder are going to have some off-season decisions. to make, they're going to be well over

the second apron. If they keep this roster attacked as is, obviously have a ton of draft capital, a ton of moves. They can make two first round picks this upcoming draft spurs could potentially run this back

but you got now issue Dillan, Harper, Deere and Fox. Who you want to give the keys to? All teams have decisions to make, right? Those three teams, especially, have decisions to make. For different reasons, the thunder is financial.

The spurs are, they got a young guy and an older guy they got to make a decision about. And the Knicks, or do we stay here or do we try to make a move to try to get our roster better? So I think they all have decisions to make. It just comes in a different package. Do you feel as strongly about Janus today as you did a week ago?

Absolutely. Okay. Absolutely. Like I said, win or lose. You said it. Win or lose. I think the Knicks, if you have an opportunity, if Janus is on the table and we have to give up cat and maybe Josh Hart or one of them

I'm making that move Like see I don't make a A tragic change like that No I'm saying if I I will explore it man Like it's I don't see why not I'm not I'm just saying if it's the opportunity

To we explore That's it We see what it looks like If you're the Knicks How concerned would you be that most of the Reporting right now is Janus to the Celtics would that change the balance of power in the east?

Would that concern? Absolutely. Well, you're losing Jaylor. You're losing Jaylor. It ain't like they're going to keep three of them. It's Tatum and Yon. You're a whole new team. They can't.

Now, financially, you physically can't do that. You want him out of the east. If he's not going to you, you want him out of east. You want him out of east. But I just look at Yon, it's what he brings to the table, how he approaches it. like I stated before, no matter what team is fortunate enough to require his services next year, acquire his services next year, it'll be a benefit to their roster, right? No matter who it is, because you know the way he's going to approach you,

you know where he plays. And if I'm the Knicks, I do explore it. If I don't have to give up Josh Hard and McKell, I don't want to trust me because of what he brings to the table. But we saw what they didn't want to give up Dante DiMecino, and you see him what they're turned out as. That's all I'm saying. I want to go back to the other champions before, right? The teams that we talked about that didn't make changes in the last eight years. So I'll go back to the Boston Celtics

after they won. They made changes, correct? They tried to run it back with that main court thought they brought back like eight or nine in that court roster for that. Was that, the Tarzenghis came back? Top nine. Top nine. All of them came back, right? And they ended up obviously losing to the Knicks, I believe. Neaks, four two. And then Denver. Didn't make any changes. Bruce Brown left, KCP left. Milwaukee.

They didn't make any changes. When we're talking about just upgrading. You lost, because you're going to lose pieces. Right. Right. Because you're going to be paid because you want. So you need, you need little pieces to replace.

Right, little small. So that's why I'm like, when you say Nix and you say, Yonis, I don't agree with it because you already got a core chemistry. Yeah. And your upgrade. don't have to be replacing the one guy who bought in to the chemistry. It should be, let's go to free agent and see if we can sham it, Avarado, Clark, Clarkson.

It was cool, but they play instrumental parts down the line. And we're like, all right, O.G., if he can stay healthy, we may not need to replace a guy like that, Bridges, Hart. These are the core. It's the core of New York. But if you can bring in another guy that, that can do multiple things and in, three, two, three, four.

I'm like, I ain't also like a Pascal, Seacom type guy. Where's he gonna play, though? That's what I want to do. They play free. Not with them,

but not when you got those. Listen, they need another ball handler and they need some deadly shooters. That's all they need right now. Run. They still got me bribe. But they still got to be bribing.

No, he got to go. No, no, but I'm saying, like you can go get some deadly shooters, another ball handler to take the, take the pressure off Brunson. You're already over there. apron so you can't really do too much. Yeah, McBride. Cat has already,

cat has already proven that if you run the offense through him, you already got your mega star with Jalen Brunson. So, you know, let's just run it back right here. Let's just do it. It's cool. You don't need to get rid of him. You see some. Those numbers right there don't worry me. Same with the bread situation.

The cap gets a little bit tricky, so you got Mitchell Roberts, a free agent. Well, I go back to the thunder. My point I wanted to make was about the thunder. Like the thunder didn't make make those upgrades, but they went 25 and 2 to start the season. So you look at the camaraderie and the chemistry they had going into the season. They look like clear front runners will be like, yo, they just got it, right?

But for me, I came into the season knowing and seeing it. Like, y'all don't got what people are missing. Like, y'all are missing the upgraded piece that when you guys took it over the edge, it was because of injuries. But you still did it. But the things you need for the teams that upgraded and got new pieces, you didn't do those things. A.J. Mitchell was a safe haven because you didn't expect him to be what he became. But he became the upgrade.

He did. Yes. But you didn't go get him to say, we're going to bring you in to do this. He was a surprise based on Jalen Williams going down. And Jared McCain was a little bit of enough. That was the upgrade that got you back to the conference finals. But again, that wasn't something you went and went. God, that was fairly stupid-ass

saying we don't want him. But it's all right, though. We still got it, though. So, it didn't take you over the top, and it didn't get you back to back. But they got hurt, because they got no. They ain't got none of them. With that injuries, yes. Look where they at, though. With those injuries. And that's the, to me,

fools go. Because if you haven't upgraded and you lost to the Spurs, a team that hasn't been to the fucking playoff, and you don't have it, you're not even going to upgrade again, how are you going to be the favorites? They did upgrade. So with the, I hear you, yeah, with Cat scoring two points, right?

Okay. Two points ten rebounds in game five. Mm-hmm. You don't still don't? No, no, we still went five and one. He average 13. Come on, but you know. Because you know what that is, though.

What, what? The cat two points. The cat two points. Listen, we went five and one. Yeah. Okay, we went. Yes. He just says the greatest run ever.

So that's two points, and I'm still part of the greatest run in playoff history. And think about the margin of error and the margin of victory. Like you won all those games by two, four, five, nine. Like you squeaked by, but what you squeaked by was we had to come back. Because he didn't do anything in the fourth quarter. He never did, but he was a presence, though. You had to respect him. But you had to respect Kat when he was.

No, no, he did it. And we talked about it. Yeah. And then we talked about it. He had the next game. He had five. But you still got to respect that he can give you 30 if you're back. But he did.

There's your opinion on cash change when you realize that he's making 20 million more than Jalen Brunson next season. No. He's making – because Jalen took less money. So he can – The point is, I got the King of New York and I got a guy making $20 million more. He's going to make all that bad game. But I'm a big bodega, though. You know what I do.

Michael Jordan had the same thing in Chicago. I'm doing what I do. And if we got a chance to go get the Greek freak, we're going to be a big bodega. We're going to lose shit to get the Greek. We're going to lose shit to get the Greek. greet free. And I'm not saying I'm not but what you lose you gain though. On a small margin, though. We have two guys

right now that like to play in the paint. Mitchell and Kat. Who? Oh, you're talking about Brunson. Brunson and Janus. They like to both they're going to be proud of it. Different style of play though. Cat is a pick and pop can spread the floor. It just works better.

Yes, Janus is better. Yes. We know that. Yes. For sure. But we talk about the offense and how this runs. We're talking about coming down, getting able to get that pick and pop. And we're praising Mike Brown. Right? So we're praising Mike Brown here, right? For getting the job. Well, Mike Brown guess what, brother?

What? You would have to do some coaching. No, no. You're putting me in a position where now I got a, now I got a, all right, all right, listen, man, we got to, no, we can't do it. It's like a rebrand. Yeah, you don't want to re-brand. Yeah, you start all over. We can't. And it's a superstar that's starring over with. It's like, it's a mega star.

It's a mega star. It's a mega star. Yonnas. Nix fans aren't there to be like, damn, we miss kept, but damn. We got Yonnas. It's like getting Luca, though. Like you're like, you get Luca, you get Yonis. You're like, yo, we definitely got a chance.

But then you see the chemistry and you're like, you better win it now, this don't feel good. Now you're better win it. So that's, what's wrong with that pressure? Okay. It does. It does. It makes New York more popular.

If they get yon is? Yes. 100%. No, we're not. We're not complaining about that. We're not going to be. What's wrong with that pressure? That's a lot of pressure that we have to win it.

What's wrong with it? That's a lot of pressure. I'm not saying it's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure. He just had that pressure from Milwaukee, though. I think they welcome. The pressure of Milwaukee and the pressure with the Knicks is too different. He walked in the door-wide, but still pressure.

If he walk in the door without a championship, yes. He walks in the door with one. And the finals in the field. That helps, listen. Over there, though, you guys are missing. We have a expectation. No, no, but no. What's wrong with it?

No, but he won it over there, though. Like, he wanted over. That has nothing to do with, when you're here with this Knicks. So you bring a championship experience in the door. It's a lot. Right. We have. We already have championship experience here.

But bringing an ad guy that don't, that didn't, that did it and was the ace. He's going to deal with the Katie stuff. He's Greek though. No, he won it already. You cool and all, but this is Brunth in town. But, like I said the day, let that be, so, like I said the day, let that be, that's fine. If I know Janus, right, from what I could tell from just being around being, he wants to win.

He wants to win. And before anything, before anything, he wants to win. He goes out and competes in order to win. The worst that comes out of his mouth doing interviews, I want to compete, give us a chance to win, whatever I have to do, the possibility to win, all these things about winning, right? I've won here, yes.

If I have the opportunity to win with another, somebody that just, I don't need to be on the billboard now. Well, you don't need to leave either. You don't need to leave. I don't need, huh? You don't need to leave either. If you already want, you already. Go get the upgrade.

It's almost a foregone conclusion that he is not going to be in Milwaukee next. No, I understand. I'm just saying your need to win and saying that you want to win, if that was the case, you would have made it work where you are. He did. To the best of his ability. So now going somewhere else and saying I'm going to defer and I'm going to. Who said he has to defer?

You said he's all about winning? And that's what that is. He's going to go up easy here. You don't have to defer in New York. How? If he goes to Boston, same situation. How is he going to have to defer to who? To who?

Why? I'm not deferring to him. I'm not deferring to him. But why do I have to defer to anybody? Everywhere you go, you're going to have to deferring. So let me ask you. Everywhere you go. If Yonis go, if Yon is going to Boston, you're leaving your fucking throne.

Yonis is leaving his throne to go to somebody else. Can you ask me what to? Why does deferring to them look like? Because I don't know what it looks like. Deferring means, take the back seat, buddy? This is my house. But what does that look like? That means when the game is on the line, you know who has the book?

I'm taking the shots. So that's y'all worried about a pissing contest. That's not a pissing contest. Do you want to be the greatest or not? He is. Do you want to be the greatest or not? The greatest got to have the ball in their hands when the players that is on the line. No, man.

Yes, it does. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. about winning and losing, man. Okay, well, listen, if he go to the Knicks, listen, listen, winning and losing determines the legacy. If Yonnas go to the Knicks and win three more rings and don't get a finals MVP, who said he's not?

If he doesn't get one, and Brunson keeps running, get one. He's 27 and 11. 20, and 13, like, consistently. And this guy's averaging 30-some. He won't average, he don't need that. He averaged that because this sec is number two. I am not turning off the switch because he's coming over here. You don't have to.

What are you talking about? I am the King of New York. I am not turning up a fridge when Yonnas come over here. Who says that has to turn it down? I'm not. I'm just telling you, I'm not. So I'm going to keep average to my 32. I'm going to keep average in my 32.

I'm going to keep both guys at the same time. They both turn it on. Somebody got to turn it down. Who did? You think John is not deferring that team? Jalen Brown had to turn it down. Paul Murray had to turn it down. He knows the other guys.

The other guy was number one. Jason Tatum has been number one on that team. Shailin Brown had to turn it down. No, he did not. Jalen, Jason Tatum is number one. He wasn't number one this year. Jamal Murray is number two. Yolkis is number one.

Jailen Brunson is number two. Jalen Brunson is number one. He is number one on that team. Yon is coming over. You're saying Jalen Brunson going to move to move to y'all worried about the wrong? No, we're not. We're just explained it, bro.

You got to stay on the right. Because that guy is him there. So who's number one and who's number two? Who's number one and who's number two? Please. So when Alan and I have. and Carmelo Anthony played together, who was one and who was two? I'm asking you.

I'm asking you. They were there. They were in Denver. I'm asking you. He was in Denver. You were there. I'm telling you they both had the same amount of points. Who was one and who was two?

I'm asking you. You tell us. Neither one of them. Neither one of them. So this is the first time in history that either one of them was number one or number two. Two number one. Whose team was it? It was neither one of them.

Neither one of them. So Alan Iverson came all way to them. I know why we lost in the first fucking rhyme. No, that's not the, no. So. It was Carmela Anthony's team. He was drafted there. He was already ready.

It was Marmela Anthony's team. Okay, cool. He was the star guy. Carmela Anthony was the mega star there. They both after 27. You know who took the shots at the end of the game, both guys. So what? KD was the better player, but it was Steph's team.

Whose team was it? It was Steph team, but KD was the guy. Like, it don't matter what KD did. It was Steph team. Yeah. And so when LeBron went to Miami, it was the DeWade's team. Right. I know.

I know, but who was the guy, though? Really, it didn't matter. So, tell me, thank you. I really can't. I can't. You experienced it. Yeah. Was it two number one?

Nick, you experienced it? Yeah. Was it two ones, Nick? They both was fighting on the, Hey, Skip, can it be two number ones? They both was doing so good that, you didn't know who the finals MVP was going to go to until one messed up. Skip, can it be two number ones? So it was.

It's usually, like Carmela was, he was already established. when Alan got there. And yes, I was there. And you were there. I was there. I know you were there. I got the, I got the, Demer Mello second year. Okay.

And, who was the ultimate? And AI was starting to get to the downside of his career, right? He was coming out of his prime a little bit. It's the average of 27. Okay. All right. But it's just Carmelo is established. Yes.

Just the way Jalen would now be very established. Mm-hmm. And the locker room is going to look to Jailen, before they look to Janus. And that's okay. For game winners? Yeah, absolutely. And it should be okay with Janus

if he signs off. I know it's hypothetical. Yes. All of this hypothetical, yes. But still, I've been intrigued by it from the moment it came out of your mouth the first time because, and now I'm a prisoner of the game five moment

because Cat scores two points. Right, right. But still, when I just do Janus or Kat, Janice or Kat. Well, obviously, it's Janus. Even though they're both along the trail quite a ways, because Janus is going to be 32 in December, and it's his 14th year. Well, I'm not saying you're out of your prime, but you're at the backside of your prime. Yes. And you are a little more injury prone than you have been as a kid, right? Okay, a little more. How he plays the game. Okay, and you made the point you need to calm down a little bit and reconstruct

the way you play the game. You don't need to run the floor quite as hard as you used to run the floor five, six, seven years ago, right? Okay. So I do remind you that Carl Anthony Towns this year for the Knicks during the regular season, he averaged

12 boards a game, and that was second to Yokic in rebounds in the league. You have 2012. Okay, so that's substantial production that you have to account for. And Yonis, I think, can account for that. But here's the concern. Janus

twice in his career has led the league in usage rate. He's led the whole... It's 39% twice where he had the ball for 39% let's call it 40% of the time. It's a lot man. It's like it's my ball.

It's my ball. Yeah. It's my ball. Ball stop. But he was clearly the man in Milwaukee for a championship team and the finals MVP. So he would have to accept some things going into this situation that I think he would in year 14. You know, like he'd say, okay, I got a shot here. Now there'd be, to your point, huge pressure on him because this, I'm intrigued by it,

because for Leon Rose and your man worldwide, yeah, it would be the all-time gutsy move, but it would be a shrewd one to say, let's just, let's really upgrade. here. The only thing that sticks in my craw about it is I've been watching these five Nick

starters do the media tour. They've been on every show there is imaginable. And they seem very close-knit to me.

And Jalen loves his core. And, boy, he'd have to sign off on a big move and especially if you have to throw Josh Hart into it.

That's his podcast part. You know, like that's a tough sale. Right? Josh Hart. Them two is a tough I don't think you're breaking up

up our top sale. That's a tough sale. It's a tough sale. You're not breaking up this championship in the next score. Like that's a tough seat, absolutely. He's not going to go in no question though, Skip. Okay, they're going to want more than Carl Anthony Tassett. Absolutely.

Because he take the back seat. It don't have to. It's a one A seed. It's not backseat. It's a, it's a, it's the- No, no, no, no, no. No, no. I don't feel like driving today, listen.

That type of stuff. We're driving across the country. Yeah. Like I said, we're driving across the country. You take a shit. And, hey, I promise you. You drive 12 hours shifts, I drive 12 hours. Did Dame have, was Dame the same in that same position?

No. No. So Dame was backseat. He was backseat. Yo, it's the same thing with Shaq, when he went to Miami. And Gary Payton told him, yo, big fellow, you got to take the back seat on this one and let Dway and go ahead. Who took the back seat, Katie or Steph? Who was 1A and 1B?

KD took the back, I mean, I mean. KD took the back seat because they had. to tell KD don't take the back seat. We want you in the front seat if you don't remember. Katie got there. Katie was very complacent with trying to fit in with the team. They was like, no, we need you to be yourself. They had to remind him that we didn't bring, you didn't come here to be the guy. We're just trying to save us. Bro, come in here and be you. They had to tell him that because he was willing to just be a part of one of the guys. He was like, I know what y'all do.

And they also say he'll be one here before you. And that's my point too, though. But that's my point as well, right? Why would we trade for Janus for Janus to come over here and not be yonis? Right? Why would we bring him here to be like, you know what, come over here and take a back seat to J. Lamarison? Like, no, we need you to come here and average your 27, 13. Like, you need to come in and do you, be you, right? Be that dog that won that championship and that finals MVP in Milwaukee that won 60 games and 60 games and 58 games.

and we need that person here. But we're not bringing you here to be like, you know what, this is Jalen's team. We understand who's going to take the shots down the stretch. We understand that. This is the closer here. Yes, but there are going to be opportunities for some games for me that make plays in those moments as well.

But if we're in this and we're trying to do this thing to win, I'm just looking at the winning aspect of it. I'm not looking at anything else. Whoever plays, if they, hypothetically make it to the finals and whoever plays the best in that finals will be the finals MVP.

Who knows who that could be? What I'm saying? Like this, we were talking about OG and Ninobe and might have had a shot this year. So, it's just who's playing well at that time. That would have been big. That would have been huge.

You think Yonis is not getting to a finals and trying to sneak that finals MVP? He just, I can put that. He tasted it. It does. You can't tell you can't give me a taste of something and be like, no, I don't want that no more. It's like, no, this is the greatest.

But he's playing, though. You got to play the game. Right, I have to play the game, but maybe the way he plays doesn't fit the system. That's all I'm saying. We don't know that. But we know the way cat plays, we know the way cat plays that it does fit the system. So now we have to come in here and do it like change. And if he suck, why change?

It's not like. He sucks. We're saying, why? Our teams, do teams try to get better than this year? No, no, they have to get better. No, they have to get better. No, they have to get better. Like, I beat Boston.

Yeah, but they weren't healthy. They were. They had to get out of the store. You're talking about the... They beat them with pazinas and everything. Yeah, the year before, yeah. They beat them four, too. And what if Boston has Janus now,

would Jason tell you? But they're going to lose... No Jalen Brown. No Jalen Brown. Okay. They lose something... They lose a big piece. Okay, all of a sudden, Boston's going to have to do

what you're talking about the Knicks. They're just going to have to revamp the whole show. Whoever gets Janus. If they're trying to win, that's what it has to do. But especially Boston, you can't shoot 53, Three is a game. That his game ain't that. Go rebob.

I mean, I ain't going to. Go rebob, big fellow. What's all? I'm just looking at it. No team is repeat. No team has went back. And in those reasons. Other teams try to get better.

If you have the opportunity, like I said, this is all a hypothetical thing, right? So let's see. You don't want to see Ant Man and Yon? But at a certain point, you got to do. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. It's going to be a very, very interesting draft free agency, offseason around the league.

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Let's shift over to the San Antonio side. Spurs reached their first finals since 2014, with their 62 wins being the most in a season in a decade. Wimby finished third in MVP voting was the first unanimous defensive player of the year. San Antonio has the best young core in the league in Wembe, Saffan Castle, and Dylan Harper. Before this season, Wembe said it would be a success

if the Spurs finished at least top six. in the West. So obviously they exceeded those expectations. But Rashad, when you look at the Spurs, how would you grade the Spurs this season? Can't give them an A plus because they fell short. They definitely failed. But to get from where they are from what, 11, predicted preseason 11 and taking their young court, the way they did, a new coach, I mean, you're talking about a team that wasn't, no one was looking at. And a kid that came off a blood clot. I think a lot of People forget the big scare that Wendby had that almost took him out. You know, he had to recover from something that could have ended his career.

So for him to go to the monks and try to figure out how to keep his stamina, his cardio, the way it needs to be with minutes restrictions and being able to stay within the team chemistry and having Deeran Fox be healthy, but not truly be the fox that he needed to go all the way. Well, Fox's doing with the ankle injury, I think, you know, was well documented. For the whole season? No, just postseason. No, I'm saying the whole, I'm saying from the beginning to the end, De Aaron Fox, you know, he was an all-star.

But as I said before, I looked at him as a superstar talent. So you never really looked at the spurs if somebody is going to sweep through the West. So for them to do that and him to play as well as he played, his numbers didn't waver from the last two years. He's still average 24 and 11 to be able to have the defense. a year that he had, sweep those awards, and get there. Get there is important. But now he knows the experience of getting there and what it takes to get over top and take it to the next level. He did shrink in the finals. He didn't overcome the small things that he needed to do that

would make him a champion. And I think that if he would have done that, it would have looked a lot differently. But experience is the best teacher. So I think that, I think that, you know, for Wimby and the Spurs. Dylan Harper, you know, the comments coming out about him not being pleased with playing time throughout the season. That's a glaring comment.

Vassell said that. We're going to talk about it. Not only did Vesel said it, but that was a lingering thing throughout the season. So you could tell now that he said it, you can kind of go back and be like Dylan wanted to play more. He felt like he was out playing Fox.

And we was already talking about, man, Deer Foss can move out. you bring this young fella in and let them play. And Ms. Johnson's loyalty to veterans was one of the things that kept the things. And they're both clutch clients, so they both go have an understanding of what they need to do to keep shit going.

But the Spurs 8. I give them an A. I definitely love everything they did. I was rooting for Wemby. I got to tell people I was a Wemby supporter and I was a Nick supporter. So when it came down to supporting the Spurs is a part of the Wimby train so him getting there and not finishing is definitely

a mark on his on his armor but I give him an A for for the participation. So Swaggy when you look at what the Spurs were able to accomplish this season. At one point you called Wimby a lunchtime baller, lunchtime hooper. Upgraded him out of that now. It seems like you may have brought him back down to Irb just a little bit, but how would you grade the Spurs season? Oh, D. I don't care about Booper.

I don't care about losing that. That seems, man. No, I'm just like, I'll give them a C. I'll give him a C. You went from a D to a C. Yeah, he gets a C minus. C's getting a C. You know, they did.

You know, the future's bright for them, you know, for the Spurs. But the disappointing part is like, you know, how quick they're, they could blame other guys when they lose. when they lose and help other guys when they win. Too cocky, go get away with too much. The average person would have got suspended and all that. But it's like they want them to win. I want to see the Spurs win when it's without help, you know.

And just like some people on this couch disrespect, Brian, I'm just doing the same thing to the Spurs. A lot of broad disrespect. Yeah. So I'm just doing the same thing to the Spurs. Who are some people? Are they in the room right now? Yeah, they're in the room right.

Say their name. Is it the boogeyman or the candy man? No. Because it's got to be skipped. It's got to be skipped. It's got to be skipped. Well documented. You know, I get the Spurs and C, they didn't get it done.

You know, they get an A when you win. You don't get it done for participating in it. I won the West, though, Western Conference champions. Hurt West. You don't get an A for participating in the finals, you know. I was just there. I get an A. No, you get a C just like everybody else that lost.

If you didn't win, some people say you get a C. Well, Skip, let's move on to you, former Spurs fan. Went back to your homeland, your roots. We joined the Thunder. But how would you grade the Spurs season? I'll give them a B because I'm with Rashad. I expected a lot out of them this year. I expected way more out of them the previous two years

than they provided because as soon as I saw Wimby, I'm going back, his rookie year, he's so tall and so long and so incredibly skilled, like textbook skilled. I mean, that shots,

pure as you can get, and he's 7.6. And I'm watching him carefully his rookie year, and they go 19 and 52 with Vassell and with Kelden Johnson and with Champan,

and I'm like, you're not better than that? I'm going back rookie year, and you say he's just a baby, but he's a big baby, man, 19 and 52. And then last year, going back now two years ago, they go 21 and 25 before he had his injury situation. So in his first two years in the league, he's 40 and 77 in the games he started, and he's way better than that, to me.

And yet, step, step, Fon Castle comes along, and he's the rookie of the year. And then at the trade deadline last year, they go get Deerrin Fox, who was, I know it's three years ago, but he was the clutch player of the year. Didn't see that in this playoff run. But he was that for the Sacramento Kings. As we keep saying, maybe he had a little too much king in him when he got to the big stage. But look, they arrived on stage.

scheduled this year because he's the alien. And then they did something I didn't see coming. They beat the Oklahoma City Thunder, the defending champs who started out 24 and 1. They beat them three times in 12 days very early in the season. Culminating on Christmas Day was the third win. But they did that and it ignited belief in the spurs and it ignited doubt in the thunder. That's what happened. And that carried through much of the the year, but the Thunder bounced back and won the West by two games. So it's not like the Spurs dominated the West, but then they get to the postseason, and they did get a big break. I'm going to say it again one more time. There was no Jalen Williams, and there was no A.J. Mitchell after the

second game of the conference finals. And it was close, and the Thunder had 10 chances in the fourth quarter, and it's ironic that the backup center in San Antonio made the play of the year for the Spurs, and that was Luke Cornett on that chased down block of Hartnstein. That was the, that's the turning point of that game, because that's in Oklahoma City. If he goes down there and just lays it in, let alone dunk it, it's just different. It's just the games because he just stolen it from bad Dylan Harper pass. So then you get to the finals and you can argue that, oh, we led by 10 plus points in all five games.

That's pretty impressive. But you got gentlemen swept. And so it just feels like a B of a year where I know there's this issue with Dylan Harper, and we'll get into that a little bit more. But Deeran Fox is, I thought he was the point guard. I thought he was the leader. And by the way, he averaged six assists during the year, which is not great, but it's better than Dylan Harper. He averaged three assists.

So is Dylan Harper a pure point guard, orchestrator? He's not. I don't see it. It's not what he wants to be or do. And when it finally got to push, come to shove in the finals, there's no leadership there. There's no orchestrator. there's no veteran to say, stop it. We're going to stop it right now.

They're not coming back on us this time. And I don't know who that was, but that's the missing link is there's nobody to say that's enough of that. And I thought it was going to be Deerran because, remember, they gave him big money. And it doesn't start until next year. 22. Yeah, starts next year and he's got four years at 55 million a year, you know, $200. Yeah, 222. Wow.

Okay? So you're kind of stuck with that, and he did not produce to the level that they expected. I thought when you guys went and got him, I thought that was a magic move. I thought, okay, there you go. We just had Chris Paul. Yeah.

It was the rookie year Chris Paul was there. That's true. He was. I forgot about Chris Paul. Then you go get Deerrin Fox, but he gets hurt. Yeah. And then you're like, no Fox Wimby, preview.

So then we have to wait on that because Castle is there. Now we get to see Castle play at Wembe, which was a great preview. It was. And then you get Dylan Harper the next year because you don't know if Fox is going to be healthy, but you pay him.

You get the second pick, he's obviously. And you pay him. And now it's like, okay, we didn't know this kid was going to be the next Genoblee, which is, if he's not a point guard, he has to be the guy just go get your buckets.

He don't want to be Genoblee, I think. No, he don't want to be. Obviously, that's the mentality right now. So let's get into Dylan Harper. Impressive throughout the season and in the playoffs. Harper's 325 points this postseason 6 most by a rookie in the NBA playoff run. He led all players with 289 points off the bench in this playoffs. After Spurs were eliminated, Devin Vassell gave some interesting perspective about Harper's rookie season.

Dylan, I think we all knew he was talented. I don't know anybody if anybody knew he was this talented, probably besides himself. He was upset with playing time and different roles that he was in. But what we needed him most, he stepped up, and we have a star in the making. And I know that he's going to put so much work into the offseason. It's not just offensively, but defensively, he's made a lot of plays. He's grown so much, and was he 20, 21 years old? I mean, the sky's the limit for him.

Like you guys mentioned, Dierrin Fox, said to enter the first of his four-year, $229 million contract extension. next season. But when you look at the situation, obviously there was a lot of clamoring, a lot of calls for Mitch Johnson to give Dylan Harper more active role. He did so, but still kept Deeran Fox, was committed to him,

kept saying he was the guy, he's going to be the guy with the ball in his hands. But is it time for the Spurs to give the keys to Dylan Harper, Mr. B? Is it time to give Dylan Harper the keys? Yeah, him and Castle.

Yeah. I think after this year, with the experience that they went through, In the finals, it didn't go their way, but I think the future is bright with them. I think they should try to find a way to get off D. Fox. If I'm the Spurs, I'm going to try to go after like a Rudy or Dyson Daniels or someone like that because I need to be able to save Wemby. And guys and a lot of bigs and a lot of other teams are just going at Wemby all the time.

And I think just with that extra defense of presence with Rudy, I think it just changes everything. for them. And then you have Castle and you have Harper just playing downhill. And the way they play, they're already putting on so much pressure. So that's the route I'm going with it. And I'm starting Dylan Harper next year. I like that. All right, let's shift over to you, Kenyon. You look at Dylan Harper. Harper was able to do this postseason. Obviously emerged. Dominant force off the bench, 25 piece in that game five, one of the few bright spots for the Spurs throughout the finals. But do you think it's time for the Spurs to give Dylan Harper the keys and move on from Deer and Fox?

Yeah, he definitely should have played more in this postseason, especially in the finals down the stretch. Being that Daring Fox are struggling, yeah, I think they have a young core. I think the dollar amount don't add up right now to the production that Daring Fox is giving them for what they need. So, yeah, I think it's time then to move on and just go young. Those young guys can play, they proved it in this postseason. So it's not like you're giving keys to somebody who hasn't proven that they can play. So I think they're in a comfortable spot and a few more pieces. But I think, yeah, another ball handler.

I think Dylan Harper grew up in his postseason where he's earned that. He's earned the right to be the future starting quote unquote point goal. hard for the Spurs. Him and Castle both deserve to be in those spots. So yeah, there's time. Yeah, I definitely think it's time for them to make that decision and move off of Fox and plan for the future. So Shaw, when you look at the situation,

it seems like Deering Fox took a lot of the blame for how the Spurs fared in the series. I mean, they didn't trick off a 29 point lead. I can't put that on Deer and Fox, but late in those games for a player who's traditional been clutch, one clutch player of the year. Didn't go his way at times, we'll say, but do you think it's time for the Spurs to give Dylan Harper

the keys move him to the starting lineup, increase his role for next season? Yeah, I think you can move him to the starting lineup without putting Fox on the bench if Dylan Harper is not a point guard. And the way he played point guard during the OKC series when Fox was down was not good. It did not look good. It did not feel good because both him and Castle, turnover prone.

They're not the best ball handlers. Cason Wallace was all over that shit with Dylan Harper. And I was scared every time he brought it across court, like he was going to get it taken from him. And he got it taken from him a couple times. So you put Dylan Harper in situations where he can attack. And if it's not a Russell Westbrook type of situation where he's full speed going fast breaks and he's taking advantage of the Miss

matches and you got him in the half court, he has to take the Janobly roll. That's where Fox comes in, where he actually runs the offense. Fox felt like in the whole playoffs that he was taking the back seat to run the offenses until the team needed him. But when you take that

much time off, you get cold, and he got cold and wasn't able to deliver when they needed him. So now as you're thinking about him saying, man, I only took two shots in the first half. I only took four shots in the whole game where I only He took nine shots, man, what you want me to do?

I ain't really getting my shit going. And so if we're depending on him in the fourth quarter with the clutch gene compared to Sacramento, he had the ball. He had a usage rate, which is about 23, 25 or something like that. Where he had the ball most of the time. So you look at now, he's like, how do you get Wimby involved, Castle involved, Vasell, and whoever else is in the starting line of while he's doing his thing? That's going to be the sacrifice thing that they asked him to do when he got there. So I think now I would play them.

I would play Fox, Harper, Castle, Vassell, Wembe, and we go small. Now, if we need to change anything from that, Vassel comes out, we go get us a big to play the four, and we bring Vesel off the bench. Fisle doesn't need to be the starter. Champaigny doesn't need to be the starter. You got Dillon Harper and Castle on the floor at the same time with Deer and Fox and Wembe in an anomaly. who we don't know. Let's just say, you say fucking Rudy Gaubert.

You go fucking get Rudy Gaubert to be the starting center with Wimby playing the four? That's dang. That's twin towers. That's dangerous. And you say he wants to be a guard. Right.

Or you go get somebody like a... I'm just throwing somebody out there. I'm not saying it's going to be a good thing, but like an Andre Drummond, somebody, a big that can play the four that can just move around and be a guy. I mean, you're talking about somebody that can go out there,

just be a space. It's Space Eater. And they let the rest of those guys do what they do. And, I mean, I don't think De Aaron Fox needs to move out of the start line up, especially you're paying them 50. You're paying them 50. You don't bring them off the bench. I mean, your assistant coach just got the job.

Sweetie just got the job of Orlando. Shit, Sherylando could use D. Fox? They need a point guard. So? Anthony Black. They need a point guard. I'm just saying, like, for what you can get for D. Fox.

There's also some discussion about the question. Yeah, they can go get deaths. Francois, they can go get him. I like him in that spot. Wagner. Waggie, Wagon. Where, or with, Spurs?

With Wimby? With Wimby for Fox? I like that. I don't, and then, Sweetie got the head coachman. I don't like Rudy or, I don't like Rudy in this as well. He's in a way.

No, defensively. I'm telling you, defensively. Because, because the other, the other bigs that you got over there that's back in Wemby ain't, they ain't like that.

I mean, I'm not. In a way. In a way. Solid. I know, but what I'm saying, he ain't no, but I'm saying, You got two defensive dudes.

Just throw the ball up, bro. They're in the way. The way the NBA is now, it ain't the old NBA where you can have all them bigs on the roster. The game is spread out. They can move. Wide open. But we needed them, though.

I know, they can move. They can move. They can move. They needed another big because they were pushing that motherfucker around Harkestine. And he ain't the issue. He ain't the answer. Who? Rudy.

Or drun. Rudy defensively. He was burping babies. He was burping babies. He was, he was over there. He got checked by your body. He's good on the team that he is on. No, he got your guy up out of here.

Got him out of here. He was kidding. The number's still the same. What are y'all talking about? Play well, man. Number still the same. He played well, man. He played well, man.

He played well. He played well. He played well. He played away. And he's still got them young dudes. He in the way. The dudes play downhill. Cousin out of jump shooter.

He's a down-hillard player. Dillahub is a down-hillard player. All they got to do with that they're in the way. Rudy will be in the way. You need somebody in the way. You need somebody in the way, somebody that can do both. You need somebody like Aaron Gordon, Franz Wagner. You need somebody of that nature

that can knock down shots, that can plan a dunker. You need somebody that can do both. Rudy asks is in the way. He's in the way. He's in the way. They're in the way, though. Fox in the way. Coo-in-a-N-every-in-way? I say, Traylittling him. Both of them for each other. Who? Fox for Go-Ber?

How much Go-Burie? I like Fox in Orlando, but I do like, I do like. They both want to get rid of these people. Get rid of Goldberg? You get a chance to get a point guard. You ain't got no point guard? Fox and Orlando makes sense. Because I'm telling Fox, I just don't,

just the pressure with them young guys. Because you force and Apollo to have to be a pick and role player in laden games and all that and teams playing them a certain way. I just need Fox to get back into that Sacramento. They don't got no point. If you're trying to get rid of Gobert, like you don't need them. Anthony Edwards is there. Both teams don't need the person they hate.

You don't want to put Anthony that was in that pressure position to have a point guard. He scored a ball. Yeah. Do all that shit. He is the point. And bring it up. He do it anyway. No, I'm saying, you can move them again.

It could be another. Yeah, I like Foxx. Fox would. Man. But you're going to have to bring somebody. If you're losing Gold Bearer. You got to get the big. You've got to get somebody.

You can't just depend on Judy. Perhaps. Or Nazi. He's good on the TV. The mother big is behind him. Brecco Nigerian's like. Like Rudy is good on the team. He fits that team well.

We don't want him over there. He fits that team well. He fits Minnesota. He ain't got it done with them. They fell short every time. And then it's been because then it has. It was. So you're gonna praise him for playing well against Joker,

but it's his fault because they ain't winning. When they lost to Dallas, when they lost to Dallas, and they switched out on them and they said they blamed Rudy. This playoff right there. Rudy, you're the defensive player at a year. So you can't guard a nigga out there. He hit the shot on you. Why?

Going back two years ago. You're going back two years ago. Yes, yes, you played well against Yokic, but my nigga, you ain't got, you ain't helped them get over the hump. So you worried about him switching out there on the guard. I'm just saying you ain't got to, you, worried about him switching on a guard. No, that was what you were saying. You're supposed to be, if you're supposed to be able to guard guy out there.

He's good on the team that he's on. No, I don't think he should be out there on the perimeter switched out on him. It was dumb defense. Whoever designed it up to put him out of the switch, it was dumb. Shouldn't have never been in that situation from the beginning. I don't think he's that dominant of a post defender to not to have four-time defensive player a year. It's what I said.

But like I said, I don't think that is a good situation. I like a move for the Spurs to get somebody else in that spot, another big, but I don't know if Rudy is that answer. I just think he's in the way. I like Rudy on the team he's on. He does well for that team, what they need defensively and being, he good on that team.

Right, he was good in Utah for that reason. He was good in Minnesota for that reason. Come in with us. Come help us win. He didn't win there. He didn't win over here. They played on the St. Fritz team. Right?

He'll come play with us and win with us. I thought you loved Luke Cornett. I do. They were selling T-shirts with his picture off. He played so bad in the finals. He played so bad in the finals. He played himself. himself. He couldn't catch

the ball. So did a bunch of people. A hundred percent, but Luke has always been solid. He was not solid. He was not solid. So what's the reason that they got Luke Cornett over there, Bismat, Plumley, Olenic? Oh, Lenin. Oh, Lennick.

Like, it's a waste of them. It's like a whole slew of things over there. Give me Rudy. Yeah. Watch out. Get Rudy. Come on over here. Oh, y'all. Is this him? Just for Rudy. Just for him It changes everything Like you said

We got all them Big four That's out of the Lakers Go man Get out of here That's how the Lakers One at you Huh

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Bucky Cousams They were big To the motherfucker All of them Were All Stars Perennial All NBA players

Plumley Bismack Olinic Cornette Ain't Cornette ain't Don't fit None of that

But Rudy Duk. We'll say Cornett. Rudy do. Rudy is an all-star. Four-time defensive player of the year. We will pull him over here. Y'all can move. Come on, Rudy.

Come on, Rudy. Rudy. Rudy. And y'all playing four-on-five on offense again because... Just come set this place. Yes, and roll. Roll. And we...

When you guys out here? Nig, what? That's a cold... Now that I think about it. With the presser on. Hey, Dylan Harper, come on. Roll. Clean it up every time.

How has that worked? That would be crazy. How is that work? Where? Wherever Wendy has been, they rolled straight to the rim. No, no, I'm talking about Florida. I mean, for Rudy. How has that worked?

Well, he has, I mean, well, he has Mike Conley up there. How has it worked? I mean, well, they got, oh. They got to the finals. They got to the finals. They got to the finals. They got to the back. So that's what we aimed for.

I thought y'all was all about winning in Legacy. We just said he hasn't won. That's why he should leave because he hasn't won. But I actualize that rolling to the front of the rim and all that shit. Work when, like I said, teams have played four on five. They don't guard him. The Lakers tried to guard him and they got whooped. It'll be the same thing over there.

It'll be the same thing over there. You don't have to guard him another end. He is who he is defensively, yes. But you don't have to guard one of the end. But they don't have a road to the front of the rim. And when the game is on the line, Rudy has going to get over the bench. The Timberwolves don't have a wimby to shoot the three like that. They got knives.

Reid out there but they rarely played him and Nas Reid at the same time. So you're talking about Wembe and motherfucking Gobert with Deeran Fox or Castle or or Harper in a pick and roll going down. Going downhill and Rudy in the way. Throw the ball up and dump that shit. If you get the rebound, pass it back out, come set the screen, roll again, get out. He average single digits. He's a rebound in it. Every year.

All that roll to the front of the rim, throw it up, he every single digit. The defense would be unbelievable. Okay. Yeah. But you got to play games, right? Now you got to play on the other end. No, we don't. No, we don't.

No, we don't. Now you've got to play another end. We don't. We don't. That's all I'm saying. You still got to play another end. And you said Rudy average single digits? I like him on the team that he's on.

You said Rudy average single digits? Okay, 10. 14, 16, 15. This fast is what he average? He averaged 11. Okay. Oh, shit. 12, 14.

Like, he's, and then those rebounds. Okay, he's rebound. I said defensive is what it is. We need a double, a double, double guy. Those points are coming from lobs. Them ain't jump hooks. Them are offensive rebounds and lobs. Yes, on that team that he's on.

So the Spurs could not use an offensive rebounding threat? The guy, yeah, not him. Not him. Listen, I'm telling you. I agree with you don't like him. He said he's good at the team that he's on. He's better with the Spurs. It's good on the team that he's on.

I think a job is easier. Way easier He's not easier And he's sealed And he actually sealed He can't catch it He can't catch him He can't catch him

But he'd be out to hold The people and shit They'd be out there bro Throw it to me In the street your hands Stretch it out Play the zone That back

That's on the defensive end But defense wins games though With Castle and Harper Flamed defense like that What have teams done to him In order like just Rudy Right This defensive player of year

When it's time When the game is on the line this great four-time defensive player that we're speaking of what do teams do to do to him? Put them in pick and roll put him on the island, right? Bring him away from the basket

and then what the teams have to do. Then what do? Now you could, because you have another shot blocker. You can tell him to play up because he's not the only defender. No. Yes, that's exactly what we do.

And you got castling them in the in the, in the, in the, in the. Sounds good. What's amazing. He's been the best defender. He's been to other teams. best defender. Now they've got to take him off the floor

because he can't go out to pick and roll. Not now? Not with Wimby. He's not going to get him back there. He ain't getting the better at it. The reason they got to be dropped because they don't got another defender. Because it can't be up.

Now Wimby is able to roam now. Who, Rudy ain't been up on one screen. No, I'm saying for Wemby, I'm telling you, it's going to help Wemby out a lot. I don't like it. It's going to help Wemby out a lot. Filed trouble, all that stuff. Hey, man, you go up there.

You go. So, we got Rudy just to take it. We're taking away the boy. He on that back. He on that back? Oh, my. That's 20 rebounds a game right there for both of them. Easy.

Yeah, because he averaged 13 and the other guy average. So let me ask you this. You got me thinking about who is the Spurs point guard, and it should be DeAaron Fox. I'm not sure it is, but it almost has to be going forward. But then I start thinking about the Knicks. Who's the Knicks point guard? Is it Jalen Brunson? Yes.

He averaged four assists a game in the finals, and they won in five games. He's their point guard, though. Okay, so he's not a high-level distributor because he's four-assist. So we're not talking about Jason Kidd here or John Stockton or what. It's like we've had a little bit of the death of the point guard as we knew it. I still think LeBron is still the best passer in the league to me. That's his greatest strength is he can still, if he will go out there, now Luke has taken the ball out of his hands,

but he can get you tennis a night like that. Because that's what he does. That's his biggest gift to me is seeing it before it happens, bounce past where he'll make two or three passes a night where I'll say, God, you know, like that's just, that's just rare. Can't teach it, can't coach it. But I don't see that ever from Jalen Brunson. He'll make a pass here there,

but it's not what he does. But the difference in the five games was when push came to shove in the fourth quarter, Jaylen Brunson just said, give me the damn ball and get out of my way because I'll just make it happen. Some way I'll make it happen. Mostly scoring it.

Maybe passing it. But Dylan Harper, in the last two games, they tried to let him take over down the stretch of those games, and he wasn't ready because he's a baby. You know, like this was all new. He's, what is he, 20? 20?

And he's playing in the NBA finals, and they're saying, here, you do it. And his minutes kept going up and up like he ended up averaging for the five games, 31 minutes. And in the last two games, he played big fourth quarter minutes. But I'm looking at his fourth quarter numbers for the five games, and they're horrible. He shot it poorly in the fourth quarter. He didn't make one three. He gets a pass.

Yeah? Okay, he does. But we saw the flashes. You guys have been talking about it. as a shot creator at the rim, man, it's like he's up there in the upper echelon of the league already. As a baby, he's doing this at the rim. Where you're saying, how'd you do that? But the truth is, so far, he's a pretty horrible three-point shooter.

I know he made a couple against Oklahoma City that shocked me because he shoots line drives, you know, that left-handed line drive. He made one in game seven where I was like, God, where'd that come from? But in the finals, he was 7 or 25, so that's 28%. And in the fourth quarters, he went 0 for 3 in all the 5 fourth quarters. So he is not an orchestrator, but I guess you say Jalen Brunson's an orchestrator who's going to score it more than he's going to pass it, right? And that's how they do it.

That's how they get away. Just the game now. That's what I'm saying. That's where I was trying to go. is that what has happened to this game of basketball where there's no you don't see true points you know you don't see. What Dayland is a true point in college. In college he was a true.

So he has the essence of what it is. But now he sees the league and the evolution of what he can take advantage of. Yep. Which is his ability to create off the dribble, get to his spots and all of those things. This is what other guys in the league have done at his position. Yeah. Instead of facilitating, I am the attack point. I am going to be the initiator and not the facilitator.

Let me initiate. Now this is a league full initiators from the Tyrese maxis to those type of guards that come in and say, Trey Young, even Joe Trey is a facilitator, he'll initiate and try to figure it out. He does. Yeah, he's a rare. He's very rare. Very rare. He's both.

And the ability to do that like a Tiree's maxi to make sure that you're going to respect my scoring ability first, Jalen Brunson the same way. Dillon Harper can be the same way. Respect my scoring ability first. But what we never seen from him, especially from college, because he didn't play long enough for us to say he can pass or he can facilitate or he can get his teammates involved. He's been put in a specific role to come in like Vinnie Johnson.

Go get us buckets. Don't worry about nothing else. Play the game the right way, young fella. But go do what you do best. Defense and attack the rim. Okay. So the days of Magic Johnson and the Showtime Lakers are way gone. No, I don't think.

Right? I don't think so. Well, I mean, but. What's that? Do you need a traditional? Well, that's, I think so. Like a Chris Paul. You need.

Well, you need somebody. In his crime, you needed him, but you didn't need him at the end when he crossed over with him, right? No, I think Chris Paul was helpful to Winby. Because he knows how to get him the ball. Okay. I think just personally, even whatever Chris Paul person, is in the locker room, I think they moved on too fast from it. Maybe.

I think so, to help win me out and that. I think he could have used another year with him. I think Chris moved on. I think they win it. Yeah, I think they, it's a different look. Because Chris Paul is your point guards, point guard. He's going to make sure Wimby gets the ball where he's effective. He's not going to throw him the ball at 30 feet.

No. And be like, big fella, go get a bucket. You know what I'm saying? Like he going to run the right play, the right picking roll, the right situation, and he going to tell him, when I throw you this ball in this pocket, no, shoot it. Do it. Right? Because Chris Paul, he's getting, he wants that assist.

Yeah. So he does. I throw it to you, shoot it. I throw it to you, shoot it. I don't need you out there, bump, bomb four dribbles and then trying to get down here. I'm going to put you in a situation to be successful as I think is what Wimby was missing in this postseason. So Chris Paul was definitely helpful. Think it is.

Chris Paul did not go to San Antonio to win a championship. I know. Yeah, absolutely. He missed out on this particular scenario because it wasn't something that anybody seen in the future. Which is why he moved on from the Spurs because it was seemingly a graveyard 15 and 50. Was it 15 and 50? It was like, yo, I can't. I'm not going to end my career here.

I'm trying to go win somewhere. So hindsight, what you're saying, if he would. to do it again, he would definitely would have stayed. Because they showed him love, one, and then the clippers did. Yeah.

What the fuck this happened? With the clippers, they love me in San Antonio. They love it. 82 games. Played all 82 games. Wimby loves them. I mean,

from everything we can see, they have a very relationship. I just thinking he would have benefited from a young, me, from experience, right? Mm-hmm.

My second year, I got Jason Kidd. All right? Pass first guard. Pass first guard, post-ups, right? No, that ain't a post-up. Can't get your ass on the block. Right.

This is not, his words to me, listen, I'm getting pushed off the block. No, I'm not throwing it to you. I'm not, I swing the tips. You ain't open. If you want the ball, you're going to do what you have to. It was that, right? Facts. It helped me as a young big in his league to have somebody who was a past first guard

that was defensive-minded, who I respected in the game. And I think that was the same relationship that they had. Darren Fox, yes, younger, yes. All of those things, yes, at the time. But I just think if we were talking just purely basketball, Chris Paul was the best fit for the young core that they had. They needed an extra voice. It could be too much at times, as we saw with the clipper.

It could be too much. But I think it was beneficial the time that they spent. I just think they could have gave it one more year. year and you wouldn't have lost anything, I don't think. Yeah, I think it's time for Fox to go. Played all 82 games at the age he was and all that. You're not looking for big minutes from him because you still got all of them young dogs you had.

So. Let's discuss one more thing before we wrap up for the day. So Wimby has been the subject of discussion and criticism throughout the postseason. Some of his comments have rubbed people the wrong way. Draymond Green recently offered his thoughts about the alien with the following post on threads. Take a look what Draymond had to say. Wimby is a bit cocky. Most great players are.

Kind of requires a bit of that. However, I don't think he's as cocky as people are starting to make him out to be. You have to remember English is his second language, possibly third. He's getting straight to the point with his words. It's very direct due to language, not cockiness. So Swaggy, I ask you, your former teammate, Drenner-M-Gree. Why don't that be the first one? Because you're the Wimby hater.

You are an expert on all things Wimby. What? Don't side away now. You've spoken out about what Winby is there previously on this couch, but is Draymond's spitting or tripping with his Wimby take? I don't love Draymond, but he's tripping right now. He's saying the man can't speak English.

That's why he's getting straight to the point. I don't see him elbow, and then elbow somebody and clap on the way out. Like, you know what he's doing. So, yeah, he's... You're very direct. Yeah. His elbows are...

Yeah. second language is what he knew damn well what he doing he just said talk to see y'all never some shit he learning on the go you know I think in jest I'm sure he plans on seeing the media game one of the most like players by the media this past season despite ducking them he's one of the most like yeah one game yeah media media has high regard for me I bet always takes his time composes his thoughts no as much as I talk trial about winby I love what he's doing for the NBA for sure make sure you guys clipped yeah yeah yeah he's He's, um...

I don't know what he is, man, so... You don't know what he is? Don't go to me first. I wasn't even thinking about the question. I was ready to go, so... He said he'd been over twisting his head. Yeah, I was already going, so. So no, stop coming to me first in the first place.

It's like we mix this... I need time to think. Much like Chris Paul distribute, Jackson Kid, just... I don't read the script, the script. The script doesn't read too, so... Yeah. The script.

The script. The script read me. The most interesting man in the world. I don't always drink beer, but when I do. Man, I don't always read the Bible, but. What I do. What I do is always talking right to me. Directly.

Let's shift over to you, Mr. B. Preveyor of Tough Crow Golf, Tough Crow University, amongst other things. I'm looking at the pants right now. What's your model? On the Tough Crow website. What's your model, though? Before you answer any, what's your model on a golf?

Ellicott? All right. Play with etiquette. Play with etiquette. Oh, that's JC. Yeah. Elocate. That one.

Elocate. Elegate. Elegance. Elegance. You're saying elegance, right? No. Etiquette. Yes, there you go.

Elicate. A etiquette. A nail not. Not a nail nother. Not a nal nother. Man, I like the way you say that Nell Nutter. Everybody said like you. I don't know what it means.

Elling. I don't know, but shit, it's hell good. We play with etiquette. It sounds good, don't it? It sounds like a salad. What we play with? Let me get some of that elegant in that salad. Then you weren't.

I forgot what we played with. What we played with, though? It's a type of lettuce. Elicate. Elicate. Say it loud of with your chest. What we play with? Etiquette.

Okay, okay. Elicate. You guys skip all confused over there. What the fuck is he's talking about? What the fuck is it? Elegance? Elocates? What the fuck is an elephant doing here?

When did we get an elephant in here? Fuck an elephant in a salad. Gibb, you can say, it's all your mind on this couch. It's okay. I do like the pants, though. I give you the pants. Thank you.

They're really cool. They're very elegant. They're elegant. Very elegant. Yeah. So, Grandma's saying, I don't think Wimby's as cocky of a player of people are starting to make them out to be.

Blame it on the language barrier. And this may be a second or third language. Do you think Draymond is spitting or tripping with his Wimby take? I mean, he's spitting. I mean, Wimby's been a pro since 16. I mean, he's French, so, you know, their mannerisms and things are different. They are rude in assholes by nature, no disrespect to the French.

I mean, but he's 22 years old, and, you know, playing his first finals, came in third, an MVP, one defensive player of the year. I mean, it's confidence to me. I mean, 22 years old, like your first finals, yeah, you didn't go the way you want. But, I mean, you have a lot to be confident. confident about and if you want to be cocky, hey, that's fine. I'd rather you be cocky and confident than don't have it at all. So, I like it. He's seven four.

Let's shift up with this side, Kenyon. You hear what Drayman had to say about when he, is he spitting or tripping? It was my first time thinking about it when he said it when I heard it. So I think he's spitting. Your opinions are more direct than their approach. I don't look at him as a as a as a as a bullshit artist so I think whatever he's saying he honestly feels and thinks so yeah it can rub people the wrong way when you are direct when you say when you put your thoughts together but it's it's a direct approach a lot of people don't like it it can come across it's cocky arrogant but but if you take time to think about his upbringing where he's from

then you allow him grace in those moments in these moments and not critique him in the way that you would and other athletes that you were Americans you're talking about like Americans

No there's other people just America was just other places If he got to give him a pass No you don't have to If there was another 22 year old like That's all I hear on his couch because he's a foreigner. No, no, I'm just saying they're more, I don't, like, I just think,

I'm asking the, the, the, the, the, Dremont part. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think the way Dremont put it was perfect. They're more direct than their approach. Europeans and friends, they're more direct than, they're not going to bullshit you like some other people would, right? They're going to tell you exactly what they're thinking of what they feel it. And sometimes that can come across is cocky and arrogant, and they can rub people the wrong way. And I think that's what he's dealing with now.

It's rubbing people the wrong way. And he's on the stage where everybody's going to have something to say. Everybody has a platform now. So some people will love him. Some people not, as you have stated on this couch. You've got somebody that love him, somebody that don't. And there you have it, right? A few of that.

So this is what it is. The perspective should truly be one that he watched his fellow Frenchman get choked out for trying to alleviate a situation. Hey, hey, get guys calm. You're not going to put your hands on me, okay? I need to come out and show you guys that I'm not that going to be that guy. Actually, Rudy deserved that joke. Because he was trying to stop the joke.

That one he deserved him. I hear you. What did he deserve? Why he deserved it? Dr. Mall was coming to the defense of his teammate. So was Rudy. So, but. But that's not the question.

My point is that he is showing that he is going to fend himself in all aspects when it comes to the media talking and being direct and being confident Rudy has never displayed none of those things you talk about him being in the league he's always been just a solid stand-up blue-collar guy not going to say much he's going to do his job he's going to go home but wimby is being the face of the league being the number one pick playing for the san antontonio spurs you got to show some backbone like tim duncan never had to be straightforward or he never had to be cocky or any of those things

because that wasn't his personality. For Wemby, for him to be who he is and show his parents and his family that he's one of those punks, he's going to have to say what he need to say to convince people that I ain't him. I'm confident.

I was picked in here number one for a reason. And if your motherfucklers want to come over here and try to choke me, I got some elbows and some kung fu kicks for your ass too. Whatever you want. Whatever I got do to show you I ain't I ain't one of them I ain't Rudy so I ain't Rudy so is Draymond tripping or spitting he's spitting okay for sure man let's move on to you also not the biggest fan of Victor Wimbingyama believe put him in a

seven foot four body bag yesterday in the alien version we hear Dramont saying and more less coming to the defense of Wimby in some of the comments and the backlash and criticism he's gotten you think Draymond is spinning her tripping with his Wimby day. Look, I'm going to say it again. I saw some spoiled child in Wimby, especially in the finals. I saw some premature entitlement.

I saw some unearned arrogance. And yet, when I first saw what Dremont, I think he posted this on thread, so he wrote it. When I first read it, I thought of Dremont as a defender. Every time Golden State has played Wembe, Draymond has guarded Wimby, and he's done a pretty nice job on him.

Because I was on Dremont show during the All-Star break, and the night before they had played San Antonio at Golden State, and I watched it very closely because I know I was going to see Dremont. He did a really nice job on him, gets underneath him. So I'm thinking maybe Dremont's protecting Dremont to try to protect Wembe because he doesn't want to incite anything in Wembe because he has to deal with him, and we'll probably be dealing with him.

again next year. But one quick point of order, that thread post was before game five. And then after game five, Draymond said on his podcast, he just blasted him for not shaking hands.

Your killer in the eyes up there. Yeah. Look your killer in the face. And if you don't, if you don't look me in the face, I own you forever, Draymond said. And I was like, whoa, he ain't protecting nobody there. You know, like he So, I don't know. So I'm with you.

I started thinking about the language past. Does he deserve a language past? Well, he said to be fluent in English, and he sounds pretty great in English to me. He sounds eloquent in English, right? I let you know when you want to be MEP. I don't know. Is there a lost in translation?

Just because of the day, he was like, he was in the moment, right? He said, how do you say it in English, right? He was doing the press conference. He was like, how do you? how do you say in English? You know how I say it can. No, I don't think there's certain things, certain expressions.

I understand. There's still a divide there. There's still a divide. That's why he takes so much time to answer the question. He doesn't just say shit. He thinks about the question. If you let him answer it in French, it'll just flow, I guarantee. It wouldn't be that thought process, right?

But he did, he grew up speaking English and French. So it's not like this, he came to America and said, I got to learn English. Yeah. Right. Still got a lot to learn. Yeah, on that off the floor. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He's in year three, man. Yeah. No one expected them to be on this stage yet. His talent is what it is, right? Astronomical. Ability, potential, all that stuff is. It is.

But you still have to go through the process. And to Nick's point, right, praising him too early can get in the way of something. things, right? Not praising him enough is a problem as well. I think there's a fine line and he's learning that and we're all learning in real time. So we'll see what comes up from it next year and beyond. Well, he said he'd like to get back 15 or 20 times. So let's see. Well, let's worry about next year. Not four, not two, not three, not four, not five. We can worry about next year. Not seven. Did I ever say, not eight, not nine, not ten, not fifteen, nine.

Especially if I play 20 years The next 15 years I expect to be in a fine Not four, sir, I did. 15. Good luck. Sorry, you guys. I'm just thinking of something

of that. I don't even want to know. I don't even want you to share it. Yes, please don't. No one to get you a girl. But I appreciate y'all. Another great day, post-finals. Hoping the finals still be going on,

but no more. Some did not hold up their end. of the bargain. Oh, my. So we got free agency in the draft coming up soon. But appreciate everybody in the chat.

Appreciate everybody on this couch. Appreciate our amazing crew. Sebastian, appreciate you for pulling up today. Thinking about you, legend.

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