Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Debates Who Is More Influential - Steph or MJ?

Episode Date: October 12, 2023

Gil's Arena Debates Who Is More Influential - Steph Curry or Michael Jordan as they dive into the hot take machine and discuss which all time great has made a bigger impact on the NBA and sports landscape. They also discuss the ESPN Top 100 and why players like Kyrie Irving and Ja Morant should be fueled by the blatant disrespect before examining the new Load Management rules and how they will impact the 2024 NBA Season. Please Like and Subscribe!! Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get a $500 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. SUBSCRIBE:  / @gilsarena   APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ THE HOMETOWN FAVORITES https://thehometownfavorites.com/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ Pre-Order Rashad's Book Here - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD9ZQ3HD?ref_=pe_3052080_276849420 Chapters Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:03:28 House Is Burning - Pick 2 0:08:29 Jimmy Butler Won't Quit Coffee For A Ring 0:10:45 Something You Wouldnt Give Up For A Ring? 0:16:23 Will Tyrese Maxey Take The Leap? 0:23:08 Can Maxey Keep Embiid in Philly? 0:47:50 Should A Team Trade for Harden? 0:50:38 Debating If Michael Jordan Was A Bad Teammate 1:01:26 ESPN Top 100 List Is Horsesh!t 1:20:12 Ja Morant Slides From #9 to #36 1:39:35 Is Lebron Still A Top 10 NBA Player? 1:46:46 Who is More Influential - MJ or Steph? 1:54:28 MostlyFans 2:18:01 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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or the locker room. Age is zero. Change the game. I'm out. Yeah, I think you mentioned us they said me, you know, they just dropped this show. Mm-hmm And I mean, you know, they only drop you know legends Usually we only wear legends jerseys Look like it's fresh out the pack to Do like it's fresh out Boss man, I appreciate it. See me. That's dope

It's in the blue and in the white one. I was like Dan. That's cool. We got a pro back But they gotta know you a little bit bigger than you used to be You know back then so the dog get to plan the bullets joy say like at some point I do like what I got Oh back before I got that over red white and blue And we had a little it's all we had that orange one Yeah, I mean we had a design like was mean. We had that orange one. Yeah. And we had the Zephyrs. I didn't like them. And then we had that gold and...

Them was terrible. Nah, that was... Them gold was... Some people liked it. Them gold was not a look good, but what it made me feel like... Yeah. Oh, man, you was getting at least 35 with the...

With the gold? With the gold ones, yeah. I wanted to wear that every game. I'm with you. So this is Gil's Arena. Obviously, we're here with Gilbert Arenas. We got Rashad McCants here with us. Rashad, what you repping right now?

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You know what I'm saying? I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got Kenya Martin back with us. What's going on, Kenya Martin? Gentlemen's. Gentlemen's. Gentlemen's.

We know there's some things that you would like to discuss today. We will get to later in the show. Jack. But here's what we got cooking in the arena today. ESPN released their annual top 100 player rankings to discuss today, we will get to later in the show. Jack. But here's what we got cooking in the arena today. ESPN released their annual top 100 player rankings, and at least one NBA star wasn't feeling it. One current NBA star, we know we may have a star here as well, who's not rolling.

The NBA has reversed its stance on load management, but will the new player participation policy actually work? And we're jumping in the hot tech time machine to debate whose game is more influential MJ or Steph Curry we talked about it a little bit yesterday we really gonna dive in today on the court off the court just the whole comprehensive but before we get into all that as always shows brought to you by underdog fantasy if you have not done so download the app use promo code Gil and guess what Gil earlier this past few weeks we had the $500 deposit match. Yes, sir.

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You doing the same picks? Oh, this thing, right? Same exact. It's like turning in the same answers on the wrong answers to the teacher on the cheat sheet. If it's wrong. If it's wrong. Is that like turning in the same? Triple time.

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Marcellus Wiley posted a great question on his IG that had people making some tough decisions. So, the house is burning, take two. Bae, mother-in-law, your kid, 20 million, or the dog? Oh, I saw this. He's trolling, he's trolling me. I saw this. He's trolling me right now. Easy. I got a feeling I know how some of these people are going to go on this couch.

That's an easy decision? Hell yeah, this is easy as shit. Very easy. Is it? Hell yeah. Hell yeah, this is easy as shit. Very easy. Is it? Hell yeah. So who you taking? Three and four.

I'm taking 20 million. Three and four. Well, I got five kids, so I can't take one. So if I can't take one, shit, all of them get left. So you're just taking the 20 million? I'm just taking the 20 million. I don't need to fuck the dog. You said you could take two, man.

You could take two, bro. I know I could take two What kid do I pick all your kids Unless you so it's a baby to say wife so I don't have a baby. I got a so that does that count got the pick what you got to say I think they talking about your significant other That's tough That's tough that's tough That's tough decision 20 million turn in Timmy. Yeah, I'm gonna take my wife and kids man You can't take you. Oh, you're gonna take the wife and kids not the 20 million. Yeah, really the 20 mil leave the money

She ain't got the problems. I'm got them leave the money. She ain't got the problems. I don't got them problems. Yeah, you ain't got the mission. I don't got the problems. I got them. So what you taking? Yeah, I'm one in three. Just because I like the kids, I like three and four, right?

I like three and four. I'm not going to take no dog. I'm not going to take no dog. Dog got to figure it out. Dog going gonna die eight, nine, ten years. I mean, you know. I mean, let's be honest. You ain't got no companion after that, eh? I mean, that saves your money, though.

Yeah, but, yeah, you can go. In all honesty, you can go get another dog. No, no, no, I'm gonna get a dog, because I know one thing. Every time I come in the house, he's gonna be happy to see me. Absolutely, he always happy. See, see.

See, he's smart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you gonna take the money and the dog? I'm gonna take the money and the dog. The money and the dog. House is gonna be happy to see me. Absolutely I just robbed a bank. He don't care. I did nothing. I did nothing. You ain't did nothing wrong with his eyes ever. No more reduction for the day. As long as you got the kibbles and bits, man. You get the kibbles and bits, he ready. He good to go. Yeah, I'd take wife and kids. It's a hard one, man. All right, let's keep this thing moving.

So Jimmy Butler is a big fan of coffee. He launches Big Face Coffee brand during the bubble. Taxing dudes a dub for a cup. Does he have his own coffee? Yeah. You didn't know? Like real brand? No, no.

I didn't know if it was a real brand. I don't know if it's a real brand. You're going to jump into this context without knowing the context. Does he have a real brand? I think he extended it out. That's why he's saying what he's saying. No, no. So he actually like, we can go buy it in a store.

On the online. It's expensive too, no so he actually like we can go buy it in a store on the online It's a it's expensive to roll like this like top-notch luxury. Oh, so he think we all his players teammates smart Okay, so what other magic? So what makes it luxury coffee? Well his packaging and pricing and the taste while the coffee actually so what yeah, so what beings from I think I haven't checked if he ain't So what yeah, so what a beans from I think I haven't checked Motherfuckers from abroad. Yeah, I'm wearing a remote island You need fucking four boats and a canoe to get to I mean here in Miami detail like that, bro I mean he is in Miami so they can get whatever they want What makes it luxury hey, I'm telling you I win and I look I was like, okay

Okay big face nice coffee Just to work out so his beans in the bubble were from El Salvador so that's the note I just do the black and just drink it and go you do what I just just black Drink and go I just express like I'm like a real dude. You do an espresso. No, no, I put coffee, put it... Like in here? Yeah, put some ice cubes in. Oh, you do a coffee. Put some ice cubes in, and then try to swig as much as I can

in one chug, because it's nasty. And then I don't want the sugar or the cream. Damn. So I just black, and then go work out. So you ain't never really... It's better than, like, the Red Bulls and stuff like that. You ain't enjoyed a cup of coffee yet.

No. Okay. So y'all asked where the beans came from. Shout out to our producer's research crew. Beans in the bubble from El Salvador. So in addition to El Salvador, Big Face has been noted to source coffee beans from farms from various other countries, including Ethiopia, Honduras, and Colombia. All right.

That shit just sound good. Just coming from. Jimmy on the street. Honduras and I. That shit sound good. Okay. But here's what we really want to talk about an interview with Sports Illustrated on The second I'm all over the place. Then every was Sports Illustrated Butler said he loves coffee so much. He wouldn't give it up For a year to win the NBA championship

Cap Jimmy trolling don't buy into that so we thought so Jimmy Butler say no we're gonna go in he no good don't go in he no he no guilt we know that's his man I gotta do me I talked to my birdies and my birdies came back and was like yeah we just trolling Gil don't even buy into it don't see what he's saying I know me that's his man. You know what I mean? That's his. Ain't got nothing to do with me. You know what I mean? Coffee good, though.

Coffee must be good. The coffee good. Champ, let's ring. That shit great for sales. That shit excellent for fucking sales. To get people to want to go buy that, that shit must be great. Coffee so good, I wouldn't win a chip for it.

Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Man, you want to slap your mama. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It's that shit. You're win it. Yeah. Yeah, you know I'm saying like maybe you want to slap your mom Yeah, you know I'm saying it's that shit. You're like come on. Yeah, come on. This is good That's a great slogan to put on the fucking billboard Coffee so good. I wouldn't trip. Come on. I should sound great. We know what you're doing We know what you're doing hard as that boy play my Hardest he played upset as he be with motherfuckers. He ain't win. Come on, man. Yeah. That's what makes it.

You got to look at the context. You got to look at the whole picture of the shit, man. Like, he cap. He's too hard. He prides too hard. Cap. He prides too hard. Yeah. But his season ain't started yet. His pro season up until the season start, first game, and he Jimmy Mo. We riding into Jimmy Mo.

So he ain't tripping. I know what he doing. He ain't tripping. Would you give up the work for a year to win a chip? 365 days. Wait, wait, wait. Like no work? Go like no sex for a championship? For a year. Yeah. Yeah. What? Yeah.

He did that too. Respectful. Not the answer I was expecting. That don't include the other shit though. You know what I'm saying? What you saying? What's the criteria cold turkey? Nothing massages just go to the size parlor You gave me one massage massagers no no I'm not sexism I probably am But what I'm sure even get the statement out before you corrected yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I'm glad you're self-aware. But to say, like, I'm guaranteed to win a championship or a possibility to win a championship, and then I got to take out, like, women? Yeah. Okay. But that's four months? I don't give a fuck how many months it is. Four, five months?

Yeah, I mean, in college we did that. Yeah. In college it was like, I know we're going into the tournament, no sex with your girlfriends until after the championship. That's what they said. That's why y'all ain't win, man. We did. When we got to the championship, we just didn't get there.

I was hurt. Yeah. Shit. But I mean, you know, that's college. But that's a sacrifice that I'm saying. I wish one of you boys would have came in in a motherfucking or I'm in college Tom by listen, okay, man, if you don't get the fuck out of here, man Like I mean it like it because you not popular

Don't put your shit off for me. Just cuz you know Just cuz your face ain't on the motherfucking Yeah, they don't know I don't know they't know. They ain't got nothing to do with it. They ain't got nothing to do with folk. Nothing to do with folk. So, what is something that you couldn't or absolutely wouldn't give up to win a chip?

Wouldn't give up? Under no circumstances. I'm not giving up money. $100. $100? $100? How much do I got in the... Did you see how quickly he changed his answer?

It's a price point. Everybody got a price, Gil. But he said money. I'm not giving up money for a championship. You give up $100. That's not the money I'm naming. You talking about a real $100? $100,000.

What are you talking about... $100,000. What are you talking about? $100,000. We already said $50 million. What would be the lowest amount that you would give up to win a chip? To win a chip? Yeah, if I can't do anything. Okay, when you say give up...

Give up. Yeah, that's... I think everyone's... I need some clarification. When you're saying give up, that means this. There's a road with the money right here in hand. It's right here. Right? Like, I got two rolls to pick right I got money and in like a ring

Give up means so they give up means give up. There's no alternative Definition that's what it is. Give up means that it's there Box one or box two. Yes, which one you not giving up Box one or box two? Box two. Yes. Which one? I'm not giving up box one for box two. No matter what's in box one. No, you already know. You said money, right? He asked you what minimum. He said 50 million.

He said the lowest. No, under 50 million. He just said 50 million. You said no to 50, 25? 25? No. 10? No.

Five? Do I already got money in the bank? Yeah, bro. A little bit? Do I already got money in the bank? Yeah, bro. A little bit. If I already got money in the bank, 1. 1 million. 1 million. That's a lot of money.

I ain't real bad. I got another 1 million. Is that the lowest you'll go? 1? Okay, because this is the problem. Why am I giving up money? What you mean? No one's ever asked that.

Why am I? Because we're the ones I got to take a sacrifice So it's just so we know I turned down 16 million dollars for my teammate, right? So we'll keep our team good So 16 is the law. I need is your lawyer in the end. No, no, no, this ain't got nothing dude The championship isn't got none do no championship. This is for my man's whoa So you will give up 16 for your man and not and not so my teammate it was you know he there there needed to be more money for him and what he's worth i let i i had 127 on the table i took 111 so there was 16 million for antoine does he know that yeah he tell you thank you but that's for the teammate that ain't got nothing doing no

championship but for the team makers you thought it would make the team more competitive Yeah, okay, so when it's happening to keep went to win a championship. No, we wasn't that was too young. It was negative I'm not turning down. I'm not I'm sorry. I'm not turning down money for a ring so I'm taking I Take up by one of five minutes. I got 300 million in the in the bank or something, $200 million in the bank, $100 million in the bank, I can spare five. $75. You got $75 in the bank. $75 million.

I'll turn down five extra million. For a guarantee? For a ring. Am I the star player? Yeah. Yeah. Now you're coming off. You're coming off high, baby.

High in the whole city. But you got the green light, though. Huh? But you got the green light. I come off the bench, you. You coming off the pine. Pine oil city. But you got the green light, though. Huh? But you got the green light. I come off the bench, you got the green light? Yes. Nah. You go get your Jamal Crawford on.

Nah. The 20 a game. Best player to ever come off the bench and win a championship, 16 points. I'm good. No, thank you. 16 points ain't good enough? In a chip? Huh?

16 points ain't good enough in a chip? No, because they ain't going to win MVP. They motherfucking parade. When they clapping, they ain't clapping for him. Like, no. They clapping for the team, Gilbert. I't going to win MVP. They motherfucking parade. When they clapping, they ain't clapping for him. Like, no. They clapping for the team, Gilbert. I'm going to fuck my... They're clapping for the team.

Nobody clap for the Bulls. This is a team sport. They clap for Michael Jordan. Are you serious? Yes. Nobody clap for... You're not serious. Luke Longley averaging two points.

I'm sorry. Nobody clap for BJ Armstrong. His family clap for him. They got family. They got friends. Full people. They got, you know what I'm saying? High school... Three and a half people. High full people they got you know I'm saying I read a high school with the high school and college with now These are thousands of people. I want Michael. Joe. I want to be quite like I don't get out wanna be like

The dude that everybody's dreaming to be You know, I'm gonna show you how powerful, like what I'm thinking of. When your son, when your son, right? Son. Y'all know where I'm going, right? Y'all know where I'm going. I don't. I'm lost.

Baby boy. Your baby boy, when you was winning them them championships grow up to be a man can can Second best player that's small forward. That's the kind of power I want to You gonna have to say it with your chest, you know what I'm saying say it out loud you talking about little Michael When when that's how big your name is when number two don't even matter It's a little Michael get to Mmm, you know see what I was saying it as I powerful. I want to wear my son got leverage My son can walk around and say hey number two

But that's not enough. It's not an accomplishment when she's already been around everybody else The tools and threes and fours I'm saying is all he's not nothing special He's just a simple. He's just the simp that accepted it exactly. That's why I want to be that's why I want to be number one Oh, man, I don't want to be a lot of it or not a lot of better not wife to work boy I'm saying something about the world. I want to be number one. You better not wife to work, boy. Let me tell you something about the work. That's why I want to be number one. You better not ever wife to work. Let the work work and move around, boy. My girl ain't teaching that little boy.

We got to teach him some manners. That's why I want to be number one. This conversation took an unfortunate time. It was fortunate. It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate. Let's keep this thing moving.

Why? I'm just saying. I'm just saying. That lot better not wipe the work. You better leave the work alone. I don't want to be no role play cuz we- That man signed a janky contract to help elevate the narrative. No, what I'm saying is we see what happens. Team, role play. And look how he got rewarded. Look how he got rewarded, man. Mike did that. Mike did that. After the last dance, he said, go get her. Go get her. We're going to teach him.

Now you know why I want to be Mike. Little Mike said, man, why me, daddy? Now you see why I won't be no role player. Ain't nothing safe. God, he wasn't a role player. That's even worse. Damn. Let's even worse. Damn.

Damn. All right, let's keep this thing moving before we get packed up again. Oh, where's the star of the team? Oh, there's horror stories out here now. That isn't unfortunate. Scotty need his own doc, man. That's unfortunate. I'm rolling with Scotty, man.

The real story. Hey, that's God. Let me stop. So let's keep it shaking. I'm pleased to myself. With James Harden's future with the Sixers still uncertain, fourth-year guard Tyrese Maxey will be asked to take on a bigger bucket getting and playmaking role with the squad this season.

Nick Nurse said he wants Maxey to shoot the rock early and often. So we got it. This is according to Sam DiGiovanni. Shout out, Sam. Nick Nurse, he said he wants Tyrese Maxey taking 20 shots per game and Maxey in response to hearing that goal. When a coach has confidence in you and then your teammates have confidence in you to kind of be yourself, then it's a good feeling.

It takes the pressure off you. So let's talk a little bit about... Hey, man, who is Sam? Huh? Who is Sam? He's the one opposing the quote. But who is he? I think he's a Sixers reporter. Beat writer?

Working. You know, we show love on this show. You know, some spots they would crop out. I'm just saying they didn't have no blue checks, so I was trying to figure out. A lot of people don't roll blue checks no more on Elon's Twitter. You gotta pay for it. $9.99. On what?

Twitter. Oh, okay. X. X is beat reporter. Oh, it's X now. My bad. No 99. Oh on what Twitter? Oh But you know that blue check ain't that important a month it used to be yeah I think I'm qualified. I'm gonna pay that But you can make bread off the ass so it kind of it balances out work like the check You get the blue check answer they answer the DMs and the blue check. Advantage me.

So Maxie's coming off the best season of his young career, averaging just over 20 a game. Shot 48% from the field on 15 attempts and a little over 43% from the field on six attempts a game last season. So, good, I see you with your Wizards zero jersey. Maxie wears number zero, has a lot of hibachi in his game. How far away is Tyrese Maxie from becoming an all-NBA-level talent? I mean, just the situation. I mean, you know, if he gets the opportunity to take 20 shots. He took 15 last year, five more. I mean, no James Harden.

For the most part, I mean, he's Harden. For the most part, he's efficient. He's exciting. So the best part is when you have that green light. Having a green light, man, that gives you a whole other superpower. And with your ability, with a green light, the mentality going into games is, you know, you don't have to worry about taking bad shots, taking questionable shots. You don't really got to worry about running offense when you got a green light.

It's, you know, mostly on, you know, what you see on the court. So I think he could, you know, turn it around this year and be that spark. 100%. 100%. 100%. I'm rolling with it. Like I said before on the show, he reminds me a lot of Gil in transition. Fast, quick. He plays defense when he needs to. I think that's the difference between him and James is he can pass,

and he's not a guy that takes breaks. He's always aggressive. He's always looking to get to the free throw line. Not that James isn't. We know James gets to the free throw line, but as far as just being aggressive every time he catches the ball, I love that about him. I think the pressure's on him when you break it down.

The opportunity to be able to shoot 20 times after having 15, but those 15 came off of deferring to two other guys, right? So now it's just you and Joel. It could turn into 25. Just because he's saying, I want you to shoot 20, that go up to about 25 because you got the green light. You can come down and shoot two, three in a row. 25 shots.

25. Him and Joel. Has anybody shot 25 shots? It's not 25. Joel about 20, 23, 25. I'm going to pull it up. 25 when him and him and your way by shot 25 shots. Well Well about 20 23 25 I'm pull it up Kobe and Jordan and all them Steph. I got my loyal threes again 25 just sounded like a lot of shots a lot to average So he was that 20? Last year and 20 the year before he's putting them. Oh

So he's saying he's oh. So he's saying. He's saying. Take advantage. Oh, yeah, because. He's saying replacement. Yeah. Dude can go, man. What I'm saying is I'm giving, like, that's a 20 shot.

I'm giving you MVP shots. Yes. Which means. It's equally as, I'm saying. And he's going to take it. It's going to go over. He could be an all-star this year. Team get wins for the all-star break then the top four

Him doing he's supposed to be all-star this year comes up. I been a fan Been a fan. No, you from Dallas native so I take okay Dallas boy, and I'm saying all but he get it done Mm-hmm Like just watching him work out his pre-draft stuff and after he got drafted in the gym with him, watching him work the way he shoot it mid-range.

You know what I'm saying? His three ball, I like him. Does he work hard? I say he works hard. Yeah, no, he does, extremely. He looks like he care, though. You know what I'm saying? Not only does he look like he enjoy the game,

even if he plays bad, it don't look like it affects him to the point where he's, like, showing body language. But, like, he actually cares to win, too. Like, he wants to win. So, question for all y'all. How do you feel about coaches telling you how many shots they think you should take? I'm in the middle, right? If you're taking 10 and they're telling you to take? I'm in the middle, right?

If you're taking 10 and they're telling you to take 20, thank you. Yeah. Right? If you're a star player and he's telling you

to, you know, take less shots, no. Never. Only because of this. Like, you can't dictate how the game is going to be played.

You can't dictate, I mean, you can call plays as, you know, part of your scene, but you can't tell me how many shots I can take in the game. You don't know what the defense is giving up, right? That's how the game is being played. So if I have an advantage or I have open shots and you're telling me only take 10 and then, you know, I'm at ten then there's five shots I'm wide open by myself. No, do I not take them or do I just be assholes here? I'm at my team I'm a little

No, so like they're like let the like as a coach you can't But let me ask you this I hear you Can the conversation be, like how many, how many fours, how many bad shots a game did you take, in your opinion? If you was honest with yourself,

how many bad shots a night did you take? Like just forced. When you, yeah, you see what I'm saying? No, hell no.

No, that's too many? It's two or three, three or four, something like that, right? Is that the conversation? Like try to eliminate those for me.

Because you're still going to be aggressive. If you got it going, I expect you to force a few. But what's a bad shot? You know what a bad shot is, fucking Gilbert. Stop the bullshit. You know what a fucking bad shot is. Quick shot. Quick shot.

One four flat on a guy that can play defense, right? Is that a bad shot? No. Like if I took a jump shot on you. No. That'd be considered a bad shot? No, no, it's not. Because you're calling your play.

You used your play. But is it a bad shot? If you come down, you didn't shot. You 0 for fucking seven in the first quarter. You come out with the pick and roll. I jump out there, and you force that bitch. Yeah, okay. That's a bad shot.

So eliminate that one. One on four. One on four in a transition fast break. One on four. That's not a bad shot if I'm faster than everybody. No, no, no. But they already down. They already set. You just not a bad shot if I'm faster than everybody. No, no, no, but they already down. They already set.

You just going, like how Westbrook used to do. Listen, I'm looking at some games here from when I played God damn it. I'm like, ooh. You got down there before everybody else. You did. Like, I just don't like it. Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, just to have that conversation, you know what I'm saying?

Like, instead of four, it's like, just if George would have had the conversation with Melo, maybe this, or somebody would have had the conversation with Melo. I didn't see Melo fake this bitch out to double team. They own him. Turn around and shot. And he faked that bitch and they didn't go nowhere. And he turned around and still shot that bitch. You know what I'm saying?

Bad shot. That's a bad shot, Melo. You know what I'm saying? It's the fake, try to get you to turn and go, but no, we see the ball. We know you still got it. If you just shoot, eliminate those for me. I think I'm more of a, what do you expect? Yeah.

Right? Going into the season, if we're going to even talk about expectations, like, what do you expect to do? Right? And then I can be like, yo, you expect to average 20? Well, I'm expecting to play you only 15 minutes. All right? So, you know what I mean? You know what I mean?

I'm not going to tell you what you should score because I don't know how you, I don't know what you really did. I mean, think about it. When we have these conversations, they don't know what you did in the summer. True. They have no fucking idea. 100%.

They're telling you off of what they've seen last year. You don't know what I fucking did. Absolutely. So my thing is, hey, you tell me what my minutes is, I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do. Yeah, but y'all are different because the team needed that from you and Mello and AI. Like, y'all special, you know what I'm saying?

So we expected certain forces to do the game. Like, they just come with it. Yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? But in this situation,

the average 20 shots is not, you know what I'm saying? He's going to be ultra, like, he's just telling me to be ultra aggressive. Just be ultra aggressive. You got to be green light.

Like, because he shoots too well in transition. You know what I'm saying? So he gets guys on their heels because he's just telling me to be ultra-aggressive. Just be ultra-aggressive. You got the green light. Like, because he shoots it well in transition. You know what I'm saying? So he gets guys on their heels because he's so fast. So those shots, I don't think that we would necessarily look at them as bad shots. You know what I'm saying? I got a perspective because I think the best part of our show is the fact that both of you guys are all-stars. Right? And you guys know a certain level of accountability when the coach is depending on you

to do certain things, right? So my side of the show would be the role-player side. You know, we always going to be on the different side of the $300 million, $50 million, because I'm coming from a different perspective. I'm coming from the bench side. And I think, you know,

like I'm the black Tim Legler. You feel me? You know what I'm saying? I ain't no star. You know what I'm saying? I ain't no star. You know what I'm saying? I came off the bench, but I got buckets. So this conversation is when my number was called, it wasn't a conversation with the coach about how many shots I would take

or how much I was going to average. It was when I call your play, take advantage of that play. And if I hit and I was hitting and I became consistent with that, it let me know that he had confidence in calling my number. So I knew I was going to get at least five plays a game. And that could turn into those five shots, those ten shots, those eight shots, whatever it is that keeps me going. And like you said, in the summer, if I prep in the summer to take advantage of those shots coming off the bench, I know it can lead to more shots

because now he can depend on me when we're in the game and that second unit's in, it's like, shoddy, zip him up, zip up shoddy, drop shoddy. He been working on this, we can tell. And I think with the role players, they need to understand that we are just as essential as the star players because they can't do it all. You know what I'm saying? And if he's going to do 20, it's got to be somebody on the other side that's going to compliment him when he's not in the game. And that's going to give him confidence to go in and either do the 20, cut it down to 17, 18, depending on how he feel and how we roll it. And I think that's what I like about the show is because you guys got such a dynamic perspective on the star side.

And if we don't have the other side, it's like we're leaving a lot of the game, you know what I'm saying, without information on how it really go. Because the bench side is different, you know what I'm saying? Because coach don't give you no dialogue or, hey, man, we want you to, I'll call your number. You better move you better score

So for reference on maxi Nick nurse with the Raptors last season So I believe the first time they met maxi gator rappers 44 20 shots He's 15 for 20 from the field 9 for 12 from 3. He might leave the league in minutes played. Oh, yeah, he run around Yeah, he can yeah, It's that kind of a situation. Cause he... For him? I can see him, yeah. What's the minutes played this year?

39 is max? Yeah, so he... Remember we seen that, it was a bunch of players that wasn't... It's all the guys from Toronto. Toronto, yeah, yeah. It was like three guys from Toronto. Yeah. Yeah, it was like three guys being Yeah, remember saying that for the top six it was bad. I was in there. It was for the top I'm gonna work with somebody else. It was like look you like Jesus. You know, I didn't know He's like it's only no Brown was Brown was it's like for the top six play for the Raptors. Yeah

He was playing them boys. It was Scotty Barnes, yeah, they getting me they clocking minutes out there. So back to the earlier come with him you said we shot 25 shots again last player to take 25 more 25 field goal attempt the game was Kobe 2005 oh 6 when he averaged 35 shot 27.2 times Into it that bitch 13 players last year averaged over 20 field goal attempts a game LeBron led the league with 22.2 Yeah, cuz this goddamn teammate don't ever fucking play Stop it leave alone Of course you gotta shoot that bitch 22 sometimes a night,

because he don't know if this boy going to fucking conk out on him after a fucking quarter or not. He pulled something. Leave him alone. Pull what? His big toe. His big toe. Stop it. Who was second? So, uh...

Lassie? Was it Luke or Taylor? He pulled something. Boy. That makes sense. Yeah. That doesn't, like, when people say it's harder when you're on a better team, it's harder when you're on a weaker team because you have to do everything.

So, Luka didn't, I mean, look at his team last year. Right? Because this is mostly before Kyrie got, yeah. So, look at his team. So, look at, you know, LeBron, what he had to do. Like, you have to mostly before Kyrie came. Before Kyrie, yeah. So look at his team. So look at, you know, LeBron, what he had to do. Like, you have to carry more of the load. Yeah.

With pace now, obviously, you know, being faster and all that type of stuff, 25 shots a day, is that the same as, it's not the same as back in the day, right? This is, like, what Kobe was doing. 25 shots is 25. 25 and 05 and 04? He's taken 27 of the teams, how many shots did the team make then, 05, 04? He's taken 27 other teams. How many shots did the team back then? 05, 06?

About 100. What's so funny is the number, like, what are they averaging now? About 110, 112? I mean, the fastest pace was, what, the 80s, actually. This one, about 119 a game, right? So it only slowed down whether 98 to like 2005 is when the NBA really slowed down because all the fours was bigger. So it was harder to score

with a seven foot four and a seven foot five. Now they're shooting more threes but less jumpers, less free throws. so the points is not really the... They're shooting more, the game is faster, but it's... How they play, you would expect everyone's averaging about 120. You would expect that, but I don't think the pace is faster than the 80s.

Right now? I do. You do? What is the average? I don't think there I don't think the pace is faster than the 80s right now I Do you do it like what is that? What is the I don't know? I don't know It's like what is running off. They was running a lot of offense in the 80s every I think the lowest the lowest team was like 109 a game You tell me all scoring pace scoring pace. Okay. Yeah, the scoring pace was It was putting a ball like you said cuz it wasn't no DD everything. I'm playing no defense. It's comparable a Lot of tools and free throws. I'll say Phil go to 88.3. Wait, what year last season? Yeah, see 88.3 if we uh, oh

Shit 60 61 they was putting up 100 and cost 110 in one year 6061 in 1961 yeah put up how much 110 I see I mean that makes sense. I mean cuz you know you got gonna get six in Like Mike can leave them alone You got 30 40% like I be wow, what were you doing? You know, yeah, I'm just throwing you guys sent re-offensive rebounds. That's why they called it the mic and jerk because he was bricking them shit.

He was bricking all of them. He was working on it. Go get it again. Go back and get it. Go back and get it. Throwing it over on the rim. He started catching it. Oh, Lord.

Oh, Lord. Listen, I can't help myself, man. I can't help myself. I'm sorry. It just. You can't help yourself. It just makes me laugh we played video games right people who started off with Atari right oh I did they think that

was the best um system ever created right right Nintendo right Double Dribble right Double Dribble was the best basketball game that ever played back then Mike Tyson punch out back then that was the best game that hit the planet you wouldn't tell us nothing more you could fight though arch-rivals arch-rivals so then, that was it. Right? Right? We was in love with that. If you stopped us then, it don't get no better than that.

2023, you look back and watch, like, oh, my God, that's some trash. Yeah. Oh, my God, that's some trash. And that's how it is. Like, you was good then. Right? There's going to be 20, 30 years from now, we was trash. I get it, right? Let it go, right?

You couldn't dribble with your left hand. We get it. Well, why can't we just enjoy it? That's still an issue in today's everybody. Why can't we just enjoy it, though? Why can't we just? You're on the right side like this. Like, come on, man.

Do we got to clown them, though? Do we got to clown them? No, I wouldn't clown them if they stopped taking jabs at everybody. Yeah, they getting paid too much. If we had the same technology, we'll be. 22-inch vertical. That's it. That's it. There's nothing.

There's nothing else you're going to get. 22-inch vertical. David Thompson. They have higher verticals. 44, man. First of all, they didn't even start the vertical jump until 2000. There's nothing else you gonna get 22 inch vertical David's on their higher verticals 44 man First of all, they didn't even start the vertical jump until 2000. He was the first year So they don't have so the NBA don't actually have vertical match jumps on Vince Carter and Michael Jordan They actually don't so the 48 and the 46

They just made that shit up what they're doing is they're going to the dunk contest, and then they're doing the height, his feet, and all. That's where Michael Jordan's 48 and 46 come from. They don't actually know how high Michael Jordan was jumping. It was more than 22, though. Who? All of them. Dominique and...

I'm not talking about... Iceman. First of all, you're talking about the four black players that can jump. Talking about everybody else Rest I became you know, Rick Chapman Brent Barry's labor labor. Yeah bounce jump. Well, they're birds Respect Larry name you could score that thing but Larry can jump over there over it. Larry was out there putting them boys in the rim. Larry couldn't jump over it. You ain't seen them highlights of Larry putting them boys in the rim?

He was underneath them. Come here. That thing, boy. Come here. It was knocking, but it wasn't. Yes, that's exactly what it was. He might catch you, though. You know what I'm saying?

That boy couldn't listen. Hell of a player, but he didn't listen. You got to give me these I'm sorry to jump in jumping way to 30 jumping way. That's like how Javala was putting up like 36 Okay now think about this you putting up up now when we talk about stats, right Another generation about the dick pack it up talking about a hundred and ten shots How many damn no threes Everybody having fun

Yeah, everybody having fun Is that wheelchair? You got four people with 25, huh? They just out there throwing that thing That's all of them in the Hall of Fame yes today getting bucky man lay up all layups You look at that list like who the hell is this man? It was getting buckets Billy Cunningham Time all yeah. Yes. I'm all stars will Elgin Baylor. I'm just like oh Score. Oh, yeah, it was broke him on the band seven all-stars off the bench like What was the guys average in that year per like the players like what's who's the leader?

I was there is please bring that up in the 60s Six once it's to bring this So as well that's yeah, so do you like 30 31 37 it is coming in the bench now I was it was a baby every some crazy like 30. Yeah, did you yeah? Elgin was like 33 Sim let me look so we'll average 38 point for in the top season 60 61 Elgin Baylor averaged 34 point 8 Oscar Robertson averaged 31 Bob had it was put up 28. Bob Pettit.

Yeah. And this is why whenever, like when I look at that, say that again. Will Chamberlain, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robertson. They're all three black. Then Bob Pettit. And then you have... A lighter shade of skin. No, then you have Russell, right, in the same era.

Bill Russell, yeah. But you only averaged in 18. How? 18 and 24. It don't matter because they was averaging 50 and 24 40 and 24 They were doing the same numbers, but was that koozie on his team. Yeah, Bob cuz he was like so I'm like taking all the look You know, but the average it have a check to let me know they had everybody like but what I'm saying is you Casey Jones, you know, I mean You the only athletic person by far if all other three other three are averaging 30-some-odd. How are you at 18? I mean, because they're not giving him the ball.

He's rebounding. Get it off the glass, big fella. Who's doing that? Get it off the glass. Get it off the glass. We don't give you the ball. I want to see offense. We need to spread these buckets around, Billy.

We need to spread these buckets around. You're not getting this, boy. Move around, boy. I can't imagine what he had to go through. But that's why I told you he belongs in the joke conversation. On the team, away from the team, all of it. Horrible. Dinner, after dinners, and get it from the back.

Smeared doo-doo on the walls, Gil. Smeared doo-doo on the damn walls. Can't stay at the team hotel, bro. What? We're going to serve you from the back. You're going to stay at the hotel? Someplace is probably when you're going to stay at the team hotel, bro What we're gonna serve you from the back don't hold you someplace is probably when you can stay at the same hotel 100% He's just why it's only pop. No pain coming to the front. You can I come through the front, bro?

These are the pie gear cake You gotta drive 30 miles down. Yeah. So you say 30 miles down. I mean, I know y'all so sensitive about pie 30 that way 30 miles, okay Imagine we came to this studio and there was doodoo smeared on the wall from Wizards fan. Come on man from ages zero fair Not get it. I mean it fans. No, I get it. I mean, it's just, you know. I get it. I understand.

All right. But it's still 18. Still 18. You're going to smear doo-doo on my wall. I ain't giving nobody the ball. I don't trust you. Get it off the rim, big fella. I don't trust you.

So let's get back to Tyrese Maxey real quick. Yeah, please. You know, we talked about when Nick'sertz told him 20 shots a game, similar pace to Embiid if it holds for the season. But when looking at the Harden situation going on, we don't know how that's going to turn out. Can Tyrese be the player that keeps Embiid in Philly? I'm pretty sure he's the player that's probably going to replace him in a sense.

I mean, you lost the window. The window's gone. Absolutely. That window's gone. The window really was when Jimmy Butler got there, and you had Jimmy, you had MB, you had Tobias, and you had... Who was up there?

Yeah, J.J. Redick was still there. Yeah, J.J. Right. Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons. Right, you had... Now you got a number one option, a half-court great number two option,

and then you got Ben Simmons doing his thing. Everybody's tall. Everybody can switch That was your championship team that you supposed to build on From there just went downhill. I mean at this point. It's like what are you holding on to that team? Do kind of look good if you look back on it You look like that we look back on that thing like with JJ shooting that thing like that being ain't got to do it the pressure Offers in acts out who? Maybe he will once the damn thing went down to a publicly once the damn thing

I'm saying once the damn thing went out. I'm surprised he didn't go to them and acts out. I'm shocked What was the experience probably did I'm saying what was his expectation for them to do something to keep him there? Was he expecting to get Dame? No, no, it's a not your brain, but but I'm just for a traitor something Yeah, we probably probably told him to go try, but once it wasn't an option and he went somewhere else, it's like, in the East, it's like, shit, what are we doing over here? Is he wanting to get rid of James, though? I mean, that tweet was a tweet. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Was it a fun summer? Is he trying to get rid of James? Does he want to get rid of James? I'm pretty sure yeah at this point. He's like yo, man. We make no moves period I mean, that's what that tweet was. I mean, I'm pretty sure that you know fear to change traded James What was the what was they possibly getting back if they made that Clipper deal who knows cuz they would have to be Terrence man, they wanted Terrence Mann, but I don't... Like Norm Powell.

Zubac, I think. Mmm. It wasn't a lot. I mean, it was a trade he could have made. They just didn't pull it. And that's why I'm pretty sure he laughed. Well, still, you know, still ain't pulled it yet. This shit ain't gonna happen, bro. What does...

It's too late. But why? If you were the Los Angeles Clippers, I should ain't gonna happen bro. I think what does the clusk what why late? Why if you to Los Angeles Clippers? Why do you make that trade cuz you to Los Angeles Clippers, but this is new Clippers This ain't the old people This is a new regime that people that know basketball like I respect Lawrence Frank too much tonight. This is not Yeah, if I hear those reports and I'm what is what does he do? Does he move the needle? Who James for the Clippers? I'm saying does he does he make them a better basketball team if he's still with Kawhi and PG? Yeah, does he make them a better best? I don't think so. No, not at all. Not better what they already have Yeah, yeah, cuz so why would I do this similar things? So why would you do that? Like that said you got a leader in?

Russ see y'all point I'm saying he got a leader in Russ. You don't get that in James. Mm-hmm real shit the big difference so What does he do? If you bring him in you do make that trade now you lose tears man on guys who you can depend on When I'm other guys ain't got it or the mother guys not there, which they proven them being a fifth seed last year. You don't get that with James Harden, unfortunately. I like James, but we talking basketball here and what's needed to get over the hump, what they trying to do. This is a lot at stake. There's people jobs and shit on the line over here

Yeah, so I ain't got time to be fucking gambling and Experimenting shit right now if I'm the Clippers. I'm just being honest. I don't know arena that would be a big experience Yeah, that's a fucking experiment for sure and you know eventually what the fuck it is He's proven that yep, it's fucking putting the Mentos in the coke. Yep Shit go fuck it's just it's a matter of time. Yeah, we fucking do some somebody don't do kiss his ass don't lie Yeah, yeah now we fighting for a fucking fourth seed now this motherfucker Yeah, because I didn't try to change it now. He won't out now y'all go down to seven Your track record tells me that you're going to do something that ain't going to be beneficial to us as a group.

So why as an organization, now you got this man who's engaged with the organization, an owner, basketball, Jerry West up here in his ear, Lawrence Frank up under him, T. Lou, pressure zone. Why would I sign up for that if I'm the organization? If you know what you're going to do. If you know what's at stake here. Real shit.

It's too late. I mean, no one's going to make a trade right now. Right? Everyone in training camp, everyone likes their team. Everyone thinks they're about to make the playoffs right now. Well, not everyone. Not everyone. Not everyone.

For the most part, this is the most confidence every team has. Absolutely. Right? So, no one's going to trade Nicky. No one's going to trade him. But the only thing that messes up is the first 10 games of the season. You start off 0-8, ah, yeah. But for the most part, everyone feels this is is the season right? It's like Cowboy fans before the you know season

Primetime game everyone has that that's thinking of so no one's gonna make a trade right now. Yeah Right that tree should have been done two three weeks ago. So the fact that they haven't traded that now they gotta wait Yeah, so now but you sixers you wait for it for that to play out gotta wait I'm saying but you wait for it to play out. Is there a potential now you can get something good in return or no From anybody in the league. No, what are you? It ain't just the Clippers. I'm speaking of you got 29 other teams other than the no

He does nothing for us other than get the fucking money off the books next year. That's it. And it's a lot of money. I've told... I've said it plenty of times that, listen, if you're the organization and you're trying to get rid of a player, stop bashing it. Yeah, you said it plenty of times. Stop bashing it.

Plan. Right? Don't tell me that the car has been an accident Yeah that you know, I mean it been in the drugs It always get a flat tire don't tell me that cuz I don't want to buy it Yeah, absolutely. You make it sound amazing Make me feel good about this purchase. That's a hey He's the hardest worker that club is it that was a stunt double like we told him he can go to Vegas

You lie to me so I can make the purchase if not, why am I? trading What I consider nice assets or decent people for what you're claiming is not good enough It's like most relationships when you need somebody you mean fucking people representative. Mm-hmm, right? Mmm. Yeah Show me the representative. Yes real shit. Show me the representative both points. I'm sorry Oh, yo, absolutely. Show me the fucking representative Damn you get there be like No I'm saying yeah, yeah

All the time you yeah, you're sitting there bashing it You're bashing your player and then you're trying to get rid of it. Like if I'm the other side is like Do you not what you're doing? Yeah, James, are you wonder why I'm offering you five dollars? Yeah, I get these pieces Yeah, are you dumb enough to give me James Harden for these two bench players? If you're that dumb, I'm going to offer it and see how bad you don't want it. Miami Heat. You don't want it. You're telling me you don't want it. So I'm going to give you what I'm willing to lose.

We'll see what I got in my pocket. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got three autographed balls. You know what I'm saying? Hey, bring that Gatorade. Best I can do is a second round pick. Hey, that's the best I can do. You know you don't have leverage with him.

The best I can do. Yeah. Give you a 2029. Second round pick. 29. Protect the second round pick. I'm telling y'all what's going to happen, man. If it falls outside the top 40, then you can have it.

I'm telling y'all what's going to happen, man. Miami Heat going to pick up the pieces. Let's just say they got to get rid of him and then the pieces got to fall where they may, right? And it's got to be

a multi-team trade. It's got to be a multi-team trade where you can get a decent piece. Philly can get a decent piece for letting him go. Miami end up with James.

They get rid of the couple pieces that they really don't necessarily need. They bring in James because he's lost goods, damaged goods. What do Miami do with damaged goods? They do good with damaged goods. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta.

There's no way on this earth or the next one, this time frame or the next one, that James Harden is going to fucking Miami. Watch it. While Pat Riley... Watch it. Him?

When have I been wrong about it? Pat Riley's still in the front office. I haven't been wrong yet. I'm telling you. While Pat Riley's still in the front office, there's not a chance in hell. You wrong every week. Yeah, look.

You'll be wrong every time. They consider it every week, talking about that he are considering getting James Harden, bro. I'm telling you what's going on. First of all, you know I'm the one who implied that, and y'all told me I was dumb. No, we didn't. Yeah, you didn't. No, we didn't. Yes, you did. When I told, because you Miami, and I said, hey, man, James Harden should go there. I actually agreed with you. No, I agreed. I agreed.

Last year? No, last year. I agreed, bro. Well, I ain't agreeing with it. As long as fucking Pat Riley is in that fucking front office. James Harden ain't going for that torture. Watch. Watch.

Pat has dealt with worse. No, no, no, no. Who? Antoine. No, that's bad. All of the guys from the 06 but you're not looking at that that's a team I know that was ran by Shaquille O'Neal we talked about this so it will heal he has to talk to Shaquille look you know you ain't touching my posse right James by himself is a whole different entity but

he ain't as strong as those other personalities was which i had to deal with is he shaquille o'neal no he's not okay but this is what i'm saying when james has no other options but to get uncomfortable and buy in he don't have to do that with the clippers they're not they're not expecting that it ain't that they're in the culture the culture over here in miami is james you could sit the bench We got you on the books, whatever whatever you with us now You can either be with us or not be with us and we were he's saying and I said them saying he's saying I don't want No, he's gonna do it. Just James wants to change the narrative what he did last year was dumbed down his game He dumbed down his game and still led the league in assists and still shot over 40% and still shot

So what nerds if he's trying nothing nothing about right now he got a comeback. It's a comeback season Because if you go to Miami he will play no no that's the foot right away That's the funniest shit that we needed we need to address He dumbed down his game To 22 mm-hmm led the league in scoring funniest shit that we need to address. He dumbed down his game to 22. Led the league in scoring. Assists. And look how we're talking about him.

Well, that's because of how the season ended, though, Gil. It's because of the Maury. We put 22 leading assists on any other player in the NBA. Bro. No. What? You put 22 and lead the assists other player in the NBA. No. No. What? No.

You put 22 and lead to assist with 47% on every other point guard. You're telling me. That's a great year. That's a great year. He had a great year. That's an amazing year. They wouldn't be talking about trading him. They wouldn't be talking about he had a horrible year. That's how amazing of a player he is.

When you dumb down your game and you still have an amazing year, it's like, yo, what else you want me to do? That's what James said. Guess what he did to that amazing year? Pull his pants down and shit right on it. By asking to get out of there. But why?

We can't ignore the reason why he's doing what he's doing, though. You went right back to the hard new act to get out of this situation force you out of this is way It look bad. It look bad. You pull your shit it on the 22 James Harden is done. Come on man led the league in assists Come on person behind him. We don't like What the media said that the top two i've never seen anything in nba history where your top two point guards leading both average the double double and both get disrespected

the way they do him and trey young never seen him never seen it before that's that's what we got yeah that's the nba that's the media no that's the media. No, that's the media shit nowadays. So my narrative with James is he can change that. What are you going to do? If last year was his worst year. What? I'm just saying. In perspective. It can't be his worst year if he purposely dumped it.

That's what I'm saying. To fit whatever y'all want. In the narrative. So my perspective is if that's his worst year, he go to Miami and he up it just a little bit. Miami wins. I mean, wins what? Some games? So my perspective is, if that's his worst year, he go to Miami and he up it just a little bit. Miami wins. Miami wins what? Some games?

Wins what? They win the trade. They win the scenario of him coming down there. Even if he do what he did last year in Miami, that take them over the hump. 21 and 10? What? But you're trying to argue with the dude who proposed this is where he should go, right? It's him mentally saying, all right, this is what I need. It's like, I can tell you to be on a diet and eat this and this is how your body will look.

But mentally it has to be, are you ready to, is James ready to deal with that? Yes. That's the issue. Dame asked for Miami and he ended up deal with that? Yes, that's that's the issue Dame acts for Miami and he's mentally that he ended up in Milwaukee I'm saying he's because game ain't known for fucking going out and sabotaging teams man Of course not but so he you ask where you want to go He can go there if you ask where you want to go and you get there. You got to deliver I don't think he's I'm he's, he's never said he want to go Miami.

I am not, listen, this is what I'm saying. So if Dame asked to go to Miami, he end up with Milwaukee. If James asked him to go to LA, he end up in Miami. You're going to have to adjust. And you're going to a contender team, bro. It ain't like you're not going, you're going to. It's not the contender. Yes, they are.

Yes, they are. No, no. I understand the club part. I understand the club part. I understand the Miami part. I get that. That's amazing. But we don't get to do that because of this.

This entity where I work demands something that I haven't given to the game yet. That's the problem. So you want me to start So now I got to start today at 30-something to be treated like I'm 19 doing six miles and five miles, running on treadmills, coming in, doing that.

For all the other organizations, you put the onus on James as an individual. You prepare yourself for that. But all these other clubs, organizations that's not Miami that gives you that accountability, you can't penalize Miami for being what they are when all the other organizations James played with are not that. They don't hold him to...

He can do what he want. That's what he did. But when you come to Miami, you do what we do. You keep saying what Miami do. We're not talking about Miami. We know what Miami do. We're talking about the player himself. That's what I'm saying. Is he mentally ready to go into that situation? I'm saying he is.

What I'm saying is all the other organizations that he played for didn't have that accountability that Miami had. And maybe that's what he's comfortable with. No, it's not comfortable. It's just like you said, he hasn't seen it yet. So once he gets there, he's going to be able to rise to the occasion. It's just like you said he hasn't seen it yet. So once he get there, he's gonna be able to rise to the occasion It's winning basketball Every player who won a win as they just said on the Pat Bev joint

They was talking about Ruben was talking about James wants to really really really win Really really really wants to win put him in a situation to win where organization gonna hold him accountable He's been in situations where to win every where every situation not holding nobody accountable Huh, huh? He was on the 10 Houston Houston Rockets are not holding nobody accountable He just said do something didn't just have to team Brooklyn Nets are not holding nobody accountable Who who who held like who's the hardest worker player in NBA right now? We don't know. We don't know. Steph Curry? We don't know. Who holds him accountable? What you mean? Who holds him accountable? The organization.

No. Himself. And himself. Himself. And himself. They don't even practice. It don't matter about practice. And himself. No, don't say and himself. It's two entities. No, it's one. Two. They're a championship organization. We hold you accountable. No. They

the individual holds himself accountable. My greatness of what I'm trying to be holds me accountable. If I'm an organization and you're a franchise player we're holding you accountable bro. You ain't been winning since I got here. What accountability do you even know?

You are a franchise player. I'm letting you know how I work and you're adapting to my work ethic the bulls was a drug you watched a movie right you watched a movie we watched the doc when jordan was going in rooms and looking what did he say they were doing in there what did he say his what accountability the bulls have michael j's winningness, his toughness, turned the organization around. They adapted to him. Hell no. It was not implied.

Hell no. Yes. It took Mike seven seasons to do all that. What you talking about, man? It took Mike seven seasons of breaking these guys. Ain't no breaking nothing, man.

Phil Jackson came in there and changed the organization, man. What are you talking about? James Worthy was just on the podcast and said he was the best player for two weeks before Mike bullied him. In 1982. A freshman bullied him.

In 1982, bro. A freshman bullied him, said he wanted to win at every single thing. We play backgammon, he wants to win. Walking out the door, we win. We trying to leave practice, he wants to play one-on-one because he's trying to show me he's better. And if he's not better than me now, he's showing me that he wants to be dominant. This is out of James Worthy's mouth.

So what? So whatever. Scottie Pippen said Michael Jordan was a terrible teammate up until we got there and we helped him understand winning. So what's the difference between what James Worth they saying? And what's got it? You know some Yeah, what is he no one what does he know before he gets he got there and what is a terrible teammate in the clause A terrible teammate was somebody who ball hog and don't pass Am I who are you not a terrible teammate That's not working on the shot

Come on man Stop with that So We playing a team game bro But you ain't You ain't working on your team We ain't talking about you We talking about the team

If Dennis Rodman If Dennis Rodman is going to the club And doing all this You're telling me That I sat home Worked out Did everything I do And I'm supposed to pass you the ball

No I'm going to do my job If I'm Dennis Rodman I'm going to do my job But If I'm Dennis Rodman, I'm going to do my job. You did. You rebounded. He rebounded. That's my job. To play defensive rebound. You can't say what you're going to do with your mind. You got to say what they did.

You're at the club partying 3-4 in the morning and then I'm the bad teammate because I don't want to pass your drunk ass the ball. That ain't the conversation we're talking about. You're using Dennis Rodman. I said Scotty Piffin, the number two. Yeah, he said that. Not Dennis Rodman.

Not Dennis Rodman going to the club. Scotty wasn't at the club. What you mean? The seven years he wasn't winning. The seven years he was not winning. He was in high school and college. How the fuck do you know what's going on here? What you mean? Yeah. Scotty Pippen. You said Scotty said before

he got there. When Jordan got there and he had to run off. Scotty Pippen said out his mouth everyone in the league knew that Michael Jordan was a bad player, bad teammate. He didn't pass. You can pull it up. I didn't say it. He said it. So you can pull it up. When he said that. What does that mean?

It was validated to say when He'll in Scotty and the rest of the team got there. They was able to the con they was able to show text So okay, let's win as a team. We're from average from 37 to 33. So Kobe was a bad Feel got there said triangle Michael get off the ball Triangle got a let's go for a day. Get off the ball. So hold on. Triangle. Scottie. Scottie, go there. That sounds great.

Michael, get off the ball, Michael. So get off the ball, Michael. So Kobe was a bad teammate. Swing it. So Kobe was a bad teammate because he didn't pass the ball to Smush Parker. No. And Chris Mims. No, Kobe was never a bad teammate.

So how the fuck is Michael Jordan a bad teammate? because he got the same sorry ass players on his team Excuse me. He had the same sorry ass players on a team the first seven years Who had the reason he had the same? Who had the same time? Do you know the players that he had on his team when he first got in the league the fact that he got an average 37 dude you did you see them I can show you what 95 look like do you know what the 95 bulls look like Do you know what the 95 bulls look like do you know how good they work you seem triggered? Oh No, I'm triggered. You've seen triggered. I'm triggered

Don't pretend that you talk stupid to trigger me you talk stupid because that's just how you think you know I got a valid point because the point is your God. He said it I didn't say what Scotty said it. I didn't say it. I don't give a fuck what Scotty said before. But you give a fuck what James Worthy say. Because they played together. So did Scotty.

He won with him. Gilbert, what are you talking about? It's Scotty Pippen. Scotty Pippen. Are you serious? Oh, he played with him. Yes, James Worthy played with him in 1982. 1982.

Scotty Pippen played with him for almost 10 years, bro. What are you talking about? And Scottie Pippen's comments are about, it's before he got there. No, it wasn't about before he got there. It was just about how he was playing before he won his championship. Hold on. You said Jordan was a bad player before I got there. Everybody in the league know Jordan was a ball hog and a bad player before I got here. Even when he was there.

That means... Even when he was there. Even when he was there. That means his statement is not while he's there. It's what he's heard. Bro, stop it. It's what he's heard.

Stop it. It's not about... Like, James Worthy is there in real time. Josiah, can you tell him to pull up the clip or something so he can get the reference? Can you make the reference?

Because he's not understanding. Make the reference that you want. I don't have the full reference. I only have bits and pieces of what I remember him saying. Okay, then your point is invalid. How? Because you don't have... Because we can pull it up.

We can pull it up. It ain't my fault they're moving slow. It ain't my fault they're moving slow. Wait, wait, wait. Because if I need to pull it up, I'll pull it up. Wait, wait, wait. I will pull it up. Give me a second.

Dottie Pippen's comments on Michael... You know the Wi-Fi is not up to par. Damn, bullshit on the Wi-Fi now. I'm not going to take the blame. Damn, what the Wi-Fi do to you, Joe? So Pippen said, I've seen Michael Jordan play before I came to the Bulls. You guys have seen him play. He was a horrible player.

He was horrible to play with. It was all one-on-one, shooting bad shots. Now stay on both feet and make your comment again. No, I don't need no more. Stay there. Before I got there. Yeah. So how does he know a player?

He don't know his work ethic. He don't know what he's been doing. He don't know what the teammates are doing for Michael Jordan to be selfish. Or a bad teammate. Or a bad teammate. What is a bad teammate? Is a bad teammate sitting in, there's five of you sitting in the room smoking dope. Is is a bad teammate is a bad teammate sitting in there's five of you sitting in the room Smoking dope is that a bad teammate?

Are y'all preparing for the game the five six teammates in the room smoking dope Right is that the bad team or is the bad teammate the guy who's working out not passing those six dope hands the ball So you which one is the bad team are you saying Michael didn't go in there some smoke no dope? Which one is the teammate? Well, that's what you're saying. Which one is the baby Sam? Michael tell them which one is the bad thing Mike went in and smoke some dope. I know the bad teammate. I Think Mike was in there with players in there smoking the dope right the night before the game or the dude who don't want to pass In the ball because he doesn't put too much effort into this game.

Which one is it? I don't think it's either. Yeah, I'm sure. I don't think it's either. I'm sure. I don't think it's either. I'm sure. You can use that metric all you want.

You almost went, so I know. I don't need to sweat. I'm just telling you. When he don't have no answer, we won. I'm just telling you. Ain't no winning. If I'm just telling when he don't have no answer. Yeah, I'm just tell you I don't know winning if I'm taking If I'm taking a thousand shots at night, right? And you clubbing

We you clubbing and I don't pass you the ball and then you say I'm a bad teammate You need to tell them why I'm not passing you the ball. Let's let's start asking the questions. Why some people don't pass the ball Stop asking this guy's a ball hog got it he's ball hogging for a reason they practice together every goddamn day so they're on the bus every day they they in the same hotels every day so why is he shooting 35 and he's not right why is he don't want to pass the ball? Because he sees his work ethic. His work ethic is why they're not getting the ball. Right? But it's fine when Kobe does it, right?

When Kobe don't want to pass the ball to Chris Mims and Smush Parker and those guys. It's fine. His work ethic is great. His teammates didn't like it. Right? Wow. This teammate said Kobe Bryant is a bad teammate. Why?

Because he's demanding them to win. Your favorite player, Jimmy Butler. What did they say about him and the Bulls bad teammate. Why? Because he's demanding them to win. Your favorite player, Jimmy Butler, what did they say about him in the Bulls? Wow. Right? He's a bad locker room guy. In Minnesota. And in Minnesota.

He's a bad locker room guy. When we find out, when you put him around players who think like them, he's a great teammate. Maybe when there's a bunch of lazy motherfuckers on the team, they don't like the guy who's wanting them accountable. I like that point, because when did Michael Jordan become a good teammate?

When he started winning? When James Worthy said, just two days ago or a day. No, he was still, he could have still been a good fucking teammate. James Worthy said, oh man. It just came out. It just came out. So to your question is, he didn't turn the bullshit off

because they started winning. He still was a fucking horrible teammate to them guys. So what difference does it make? Was he? Yes, go ask Steve Kerr. He was still a horrible teammate? He punched Steve Kerr in the fucking face. Let's say it again.

He was still a horrible teammate? Well, they was winning. He punched Steve Kerr in the face. He said he felt bad, didn't he? Let's say it out loud. Let's say it out loud. Let's say it all together. He was still it out loud. Let's say it all together. He was still a horrible team.

In whose eyes, though? Thank you. It depends on whose lens you're looking for. While winning. While winning. Thank you. He didn't change his ways because they started winning. So then he was always what?

Who gives a fuck? He was always what? What does it mean? If he was still, what does it mean? He's always been. This is the problem I'm having. Who gives a fuck? This is the problem I'm having with the narrative. Which part is the

horrible teammate? The guy who's working the hardest and he demands the same? That's the... Ask Scottie Pippen, man. He don't want me to... Scottie Pippen made the comment, man. He continues to be that person. You're saying the guy who comes in first every single time on them line drills,

the guy who's working out, he got the breakfast club, got players. I want y'all to be great with me. I'm tired of losing to them, right, the Pistons. Let's lift. Let's do this. I want to be a winner. And that's the guy who's a bad teammate. I'm trying to figure out.

Don't you? Aren't you the one who says on championships, championships is motherfucking earned by what? Playing together, Gilbert. And what does that mean? Playing as a team. What does that mean? That means all 12 players are valuable. What does that mean?

That means that everyone's involved. What does that mean though? That means that everyone came together. In the moment where we like a Mike man Let's get everybody together if that's a man if so if one of the teammates is biggest crock of shit if the one person is running his engine a hundred percent and Everyone's running out of 40 and he demands so much that you got a runner it at 80, he's not a great teammate?

I don't know, man. He's forcing you to work harder than you want. He's the bad teammate. I'm just talking about winning in team. This boy said all 12 players in five. Winning in team and what it means to be together as a cohesive unit and how that helps you win.

What does that mean? That's what Michael Jordan did when he started winning. That's what every winner does. So thank you for proving my point. You don't have a point. You just proved it. You actually don't have a point.

You just proved it. Your point started with Scottie Pippen saying Jordan was a bad teammate. Before he got there. Before he got there. Before he lost that. And then you pivoted to something else. How did I look? Like you usually do.

Like you usually do. Well, it's time for us to pivot to another conversation. The reason that we are here today. Do your job, Joe. I try sometimes. I be fucking up. Catch, I know I be fucking up. And I see all your comments.

I appreciate you guys. You keep me motivated. No, you sure they tell you to move on, Joe? No, they tell me I look like a teddy bear. I drink hot dog water. Oh, lord. Kind of thing. Damn.

Oh, it's all good. Say you drink hot dog water. That's hot dog water. Damn. But you know what's coming. Damn. Oh, it's all good. So you drink hot dog water. That's hot dog water. Damn. But you know what's coming next week, Gil? It's pretty good, though. Direct deposit.

Hot dog water is not bad. It's pretty good. It's flavorful. It is flavorful. Flavorful. Why would you drink hot dog water? Who drinking easy water?

You ain't ever been poor, man. Because you're obese enough that you would drink the flavored hot dog water. The flavored hot dog water tastes good after a while. Now you put it in like the Roman noodles and make that extra flavor now good night now you ain't ever been now you were cooking huh you ain't ever been we can tell you ain't never been no i got friends you ain't never been like i've never just said all right let me just put some ice in his joints you ain't never had to

sometimes you got to do this yeah but you know neither here nor there sometimes this is a survival tactic bro appreciate. Appreciate you guys. It's a flavored water. Flavored water. When director Posse hits, I go buy myself something nice every month, so. Don't let them trigger you, man.

No, get hot dogs. Don't let them. Ballpark Frank. Ballpark Frank. That's what Jackie was with the 30-30-30. With the Dumbo hot dog bread. Boy, I grew up in the project.

I ain't never just partook in hot dog water as a... Yeah. Not as a drink, man. That's not a drink. I'm going to taste it. I tasted it, though. I tasted it. Yeah, let me taste that.

It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. Or dente. You trying to make... You trying... What are you trying to do? You trying to get the hot dog water to a certain temperature?

Like, oh, yeah. That's right. Oh, now it's time to take them out. It's cool. It's time to take them out. Hey, hold on. Look, everybody said I'm dressing like I'm from 2004. Exactly.

Those are the shoes. It's throwback day. Throwback Thursday. Wearing some skinny jeans. Not big jeans. No, yeah. This is the look. Gotta wear the big jeans, though.

The hardwood classic. It's classic. Don't let them figure you, Joe. This is the look gotta work a little though Hardwood class classic. Don't let the trigger look Don't let them trigger you made us a lot of ass in his outfit Do your basketball shorts all underneath the jeans if you do the throwback Real Say you used to wear Jordans joints went from the Wizards used to wear the Jordan eyes words I had his orthotics and everything man. That's you couldn't tell me I was an MJ Yeah, no, that would essentially what a man left his orthotics not so definitely so you use oh, yeah I want you to have these yeah, you know, they fit to his foot, right?

And they fit to my foot On the ground Trim it here. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Put it on the inside. I put my foot in it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One thought it was a little bit bigger than the other. Like, okay, MJ, okay. These are MJs, though. I'm trying to get the arch to go down. Oh, man, why I feel this way?

Y'all thought I'd play opposite. He left, I guess, when he got mad, he left his whole practice bag. So I got everything. Wow. Everything. Of course you do. So ESPN releases annual top 100 players rankings from the alleged

panel of NBA experts. Not sure what that means. We're going to find out. They have their expert GED. They had to take the expert SAT exam. And let's just say some of the rankings have players and fans in their feelings. One of them was Kyrie Irving. So Kyrie was ranked as the 34th

best player in the league and posted the following comment to the Kyrie Center IG page in response. He said, Who the fuck cares? I never will. Rankings don't mean a damn thing in the league, especially not from ESPN or any of these other media platforms.

Majority of the analysts are not credible sources in my eyes, and I don't respect them or their opinions. Usually we don't care about something, you just keep it pushing, but... No, fuck that. Yeah. I'm glad he said something.

So, Kyrie's been faxed or capped with not respecting analysts' opinions in this ESPN ranking. Fuck make some analysts, expert analysts at that. Because you watch the fucking game? Fuck gives you expert on anything because you get your... Nah, I'm glad he fucking said something.

Nah, that list is horse shit. ESPN, the fucking list is bullshit, man. Like, show me 33 people better than Kyrie Irving in the NBA. Start there. I'll wait. Show me fucking 93 other people better than Russell Westbrook in the NBA. I'll wait. You got two people on the list that ain't played one fucking NBA minute.

How the fuck are they better than Russ? Who is that? Who the two? Wimby and Scoop. Oh, better than Russ? They got Russ 94, dog. Oh, they had what's. Who is that? Who the two? Wimby and Scoop. Oh, better than Russ? They got Russ 94, dog. Oh, they had Russ at 47. Wimby at 47. Are you shitting

me? That's crazy. That's crazy. Come on, man. Let's stop this fucking madness, man. So his summer league and his preseason was better than Russ' last... His fucking career. His career. Like, get the fuck out of here, man. Like, you fucking idiots

over there doing this bullshit, man. Like, no, show your face, man. Y'all want to put this bullshit out here? Show your face. Y'all got to get your trigger. Show your fucking face. No, that's bullshit, man.

You ain't going to... No, come on, man. The list is supposed to be predicting the best player for the upcoming season. I understand what you're talking about. I'm telling you, what is this supposed to come on man The list is supposed to be predicting the best place for the Post to be doing nah, cuz they did it with cold when cold was still playing Predict man, that's bullshit man. Listen, right? It's it's it's rain is supposed to be ranking going into the season. Yes. After what? Last year's performance. They had him 66 last year.

Like, what I'm saying is, are y'all in the summer watching everybody work? No. You're not watching nobody work out, so you don't know what nobody worked on. You don't know how great someone is. You don't know any injuries. You don't know nothing. So you're trying to be copycat lead on the NFL because the NFL had the fucking players voting on the top 100. That's what the fuck this should be

But if the players vote only but is it is it what you did last season or we talking about the player? Are we talking about? Player not what season he had last year because they put SGA in the top 10. Yeah, cool So there's no way he can be top 10 if it's not just based on what season you had. His body of work last couple, he may first seem off. That's what I'm saying.

Last year, but he not better than Dame and Kyrie in the top 10. What I'm saying is is it production? Is it their gift? What is it?

I don't give a fuck what it is. The fact that you got two rookies on this list... Yeah, man. Yeah. ...is horse... is bullshit, man. Mm-hmm. Let's call it what it is.

Like, who the fuck are these people making these decisions? Who putting this shit... What person upstairs looked at this shit and be like, Oh, this is excellent. Yeah, let's put this out. Like, it's a laundry list of you motherfuckers not doing y'all job, man. But do you know what needs to happen, though? Instead of us getting upset about it, we just need to make our, because we are the new media. No, let the players vote on it.

We the new media. But let the players vote on it. But what did he say, though? He said, I don't respect your opinion because you don't have the criteria. Yeah, but still, let the players vote on it. the new media K P stack Matt Kenyon like if you guys created a panel to create your list It's more credible than their list You know funny part is and this is why this list would be done if we as players who played against him who's watched him Yeah, we can't even give you a list without arguing for motherfucking hours. A hundred percent.

We'll be arguing two weeks on just the top ten. Top ten. And whoever we left out of the top 100, bro. If you let a bunch of basketball players in real time go in a room, the top ten alone, we will sit here and argue for days. Probably be a fight. Yeah, absolutely. Somebody gonna get heated in there. They gonna stand up, get somebody's face.

Oh, some shit that has nothing to do with us at all. No skin in the game whatsoever. That's what we need to do, man. We will sit there. There won't even be no top 100 because we won't even have a top 10. Not at all. We won't even have a top 100.

The way they got the list constructed right now, one and two, we'll sit and list constructed right now, one and two. We'll sit and argue all fucking day about one and two right now. You got him at what? Right now, one and two. He need to be MVP. Damn, what?

And they'll be like, oh, he the MVP? He ain't even that good. He ain't that good. Yeah, so it's a con. He got two moves, man. He ain't talking about, man. This boy, like, come on, man. It's like this shit AI computed.

They just throwing in the numbers. Throw everybody stacks in there and then boom, it spit out this is good. Expert analyst. My ass, man. You motherfucking horse shit. All you. Whoever on the panel. And I said it. Whoever on the list. Whoever. Y'all

came together and put this fucking list together. All you fucking idiots. I said it. Even with it, it's like, alright alright so they have number one right is Janice right yes Janice is number one who's number two Joker Joker and be right so what are we going off of the maker so the guy who won a championship last year is number two number two the guy who won MVP number three the guy who won a championship last year is number two. It's number two. The guy who won MVP last year is number three. The guy who's supposed to have been an MVP or number two is the number one player. Got swept out of them.

Got swept. First round. I'm just saying, how do y'all make it make sense? And the guy that didn't make the playoffs last year is over Steph Curry. The guy Luka over Steph. Oh, that's good. Yeah, yeah. Come on. They got, glad it's got gentlemen sweep I got very no matter number one what is the new one tricks that they wanted there so they're gonna be quiet they would have said all right the best the number one player in the world is in beater Jokic we've oh, okay, that makes sense, right?

Yeah, okay, you know, MVP or final, you know, he won finals. Okay, that makes sense. But a player who was clearly top one or two because of his record and his numbers, you had him three, and then you now put him one. Like, what are y'all like? Come on. It's weird. It's weird. Fuck, fat fucks in that computer all day.

OB fucking. OB. Keep going in. Fat fucks. What's the difference? No. Fat fucks sit at the fucking desk all day and watch basketball and think they fucking experts. You talking about Brian.

Whoever. I don't call no names, whoever it is. No names. If he's on the list, he included. I don't give a fuck. They stupid. They work at ESPN. All of them. Just make it make sense.

Tell us what the criteria is so we can actually stop sitting here trying to figure out what's going on with y'all. And we can see what y'all metrics is about what I gotta put You know, they got to pull up with their names on it. I can wait Top three how you ended the season right right how y'all did this is the the MVP vote, right? This is how y'all did MVP people start the season off like that. Then we won't argue All right, cuz right it's easier. You already, this is what you got. Then six months later, it should stay the same. What changed in the last six months?

Here's a question. Did they do it last year? Yeah, they've done it, I think, every year, right? They do it every year. 13 times now. So, who would you take out of what they got in the top 10? Would you change their top 10? Would you change it? What's the top 10? Oh You can move it around we won't got no problem What's about the best player in the way?

Like I said, it's are we talking about the best player in the world? Like just one player in the world if they do it every year we got it number one about what the season we got About the number one player in the world. Right? We're talking about, this has nothing to do with winning or not. So you'll go from 10-1 to 1-10. We're talking about who is the best. 10-1. 10-1. 10, they got Anthony Davis.

Yeah. Right? I'm moving them out. I will read you. Can we put the list up too? Yeah, let's let it chat. Anthony Davis is 10. I already got my substitutions ready. So, list is Giannis 1, Joker 2, MB 3, Let it chat and they gave us a teen already got my substitutions ready so List is Giannis one Joker to mb3 Luca Steph Tatum KD SGA LeBron and ad

And why they give Joker the same size box as they gave you honest because they know who to put up But I'm just saying, should be a little bigger. I'm definitely changing. Yes, because one should definitely be by himself, right? But you know, from a photographic... To make it work on the page, I get why they did it. But everyone should get progressively smaller.

Yes. I agree. I agree. Because if you want, then yeah. SGA and AD got to go. And I'm putting Dame and Kyrie in there. See, there's no argument. There could be no argument with that.

You know what I'm saying? You got to leave LeBron and KD in just for longevity. I'm moving Steph out of fifth. Third, fourth, fourth. Like, it just... KD, like... You're not going to put KD top? What number they have, Devin Booker? None.

No, they had 11, 11-12. Yeah, 11-12. That's what I'm saying. And they got Kyrie at 40. No, what I'm saying is, 34. This is the problem. If they did a draft, right? If they did a draft, ain't nobody picking KD seven.

Real shit. Seven? You drafting Kevin Durant seven. Yes. Stop. Right? He going to be one, two, or three. Like, you going to take the seven-foot score.

But from that list? From that list? Yes. Yes. If you pick it from that list? Yes. Yes. If you pick it from that list... I have a seven foot score that can do everything. You're taking him before you're taking Luka.

Yes. Are you taking him before you take Steph? Yes. You're taking him before I take Embiid? Steph and Embiid, yes. KD? KD. No, I'm not.

Have a seven foot Steph Curry. Yes. Right? I'm not starting my franchise with Katie You're not starting your friend. We don't expect to and you're he can go to he can play your one year to your three You're for I understand all of that. I'm so I'm just not gonna use I'm not gonna use my pig for KD So who you gonna pick I'm gonna pick one of the top three One of the top three. The Euro guys? One of the three bigs.

You take Giannis, you take Embiid or Joker, is what you're saying? Well, Joker and Embiid is American, so he... I would probably go with... We got one back. I'd probably go with Joker. I'd probably start mine with Joker. My favorite American, Joel Embiid. No one can argue with that, but... No one can argue with that because he does so much because he can build around it.

No one can argue with that. Same thing with Kevin Durant. They don't do the same. Yeah, they do. Easy money sniper. He's a shooter. He's going to shoot shots. He's going to make shots.

We know that. But everything else, he doesn't focus on those things. He passes them. Yes, he does. He passes them. He's never been asked to do it because of everything else. 90-50-50. Yep.

90-50. You can't argue with that. You can't argue with that. 90-50-40. 90-50-50. Yep. 90-50. You can't argue with that. Can't argue with that. 90-50-50. Can't argue with that. Fuck 90-50-40. Can't argue with that. 90-50-50. At seven foot. Come on now. Like when you're talking about value and you're talking about picking. To seven? When you're talking about picking a team. Seven.

You're trying to figure out the pick you pick covers a lot of space because you don't know who he's going to pick next. See, if I pick Greek first, right, that team now has to fit around his attribute. So now I'm sitting here like, okay, I got to have a bunch of shooters so his attribute can go. When you pick Jokic, you can start pulling pieces because he's going to make it work. It's everything with Kevin Durant. I already have a shooter, a playmaker, set screen. I can post them up. I can do it

It's okay. Do you see my business? Maybe would be my fifth so you would be my baby over Joker That's that would be my fourth 57 same shit. It's like one to like come on. Listen if I had the first pick That's how my brain works. Yes, if I had the first pick Whoever has a second pick I going to trade it to you. Because I don't want to pick Joker and then Kevin Durant does what Kevin Durant does. I don't want to pick Kevin Durant and then Joker does what he does. What is that?

I don't understand what that is. So I'd rather be, hey, you take the number one pick, I'll take what you don't want. What does Kevin Durant do? Huh? What does Kevin Durant do that you don't want? What you mean? I don't understand that reference. Say the numbers again. Hm?

90. No, I'm not talking about the numbers. 90, 50, 50. I'm talking about what you said. 90% 50, 50. If you got Joker at the number one and I got KD, you want to trade that pick. Yeah.

Because you want KD. No, I won't. No, he want whoever you going. He going to make you. He going to put the onus on you. Yes, I don't want, yeah. To make the decision. You know what I'm saying?

I don't want to take Joker and then Kevin Durant is MVP MVP MVP So you pick the guy but Katie not gonna be in VB. We don't know you do know if you build the team around We don't know what what's gonna be we're taking you don't have no pieces yet. History has shown us KD's not gonna be MVP MVP I Don't know You talking about the player just right now at this age KD ain't the KD we talking about. He's still not the seventh best player in the NBA.

Top seven, yes. No. Whatever. He's not the top three. What's funny is, I want to know what the GMs pick. I want to know how far. I love A-list. I want to know how far.

I love A-list. Where Steph is on their list. As far as what? Pick. Where would he have him? So they got Steph ranked as the best point. They did a proposition, but Steph is the best point guard. And the second best shooting guard.

Second best shooting guard. But I'm talking about where would they draft him at? Gangster. If a draft started, where would they draft him at since they know exactly what he is? He is. He's this guard. He's changed the game. You know, everybody else is four, five, three.

You can put them anywhere. So, you know, it's just like anything. Your value moves higher when you have multiple positions that you can put them anywhere. So, you know, it's just like anything your value moves Higher when you have multiple positions that you can play look so you're not picking Jason Tatum No It's a new day man, we're picking kid. No you we're doing Jason Tatum because you're giving him the pinch attention What does Jason Tatum do better than Kevin Durant? He does everything. I'm not going to say better.

I'm not going to say better, but he does similar things all the way around. All the way around. I'm going to take the taller guy. I'm not. Jason Tatum plays better defense than Kevin Durant. Who? Says who? Jason Tatum. Says when Boston lined up with Brooklyn. That's a team

No, when they guarded each other when Jason locked that shit down the team Jason Tatum locks that shit down boy Watch it go back and watch it. That's it. I'll get like who it up Okay, so when we talk about defense understand this how it works The point guard that they will have, to me, trash on defense, right? He's locking me down because I'm worrying about where he at. I'm not worrying about you. You're useless to me.

But that's not what I'm saying. It's them, because once I get by you, who is back there trying to block my shot, take charges and that? Your defense has no merit on my defense. So if I'm going six for 20, it's because he's back there keeping me from

where I want to go. I'm not even referencing those things. I'm referencing the matchup at the top of the key when it's six seconds left and KD got to go to his bag. He got to take a jump shot because what's back there? No, no, no. It ain't about what's back there. It's you lining up just like we say with anybody else that's lined up one-on-one

at the top. I got to go like Drew Holiday. What makes Drew Holiday a great lined up one-on-one at the top i got a guard like drew holiday what makes drew holiday a great defender one-on-one he locked that shit up when he's a great defender because he has two other first team all defensive no bro so you're taking you're taking credit away from him because because he does what he does regardless of who's behind him and he did it in new orleans he did it wherever he goes he's a great no he's a great defender that's not that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying Tatum is a great defender. It makes him a great, excellent defender when you have two other players

that's excellent at defense too. I get that. But I'm not saying that that's not the case. I'm just saying that Jason Tatum plays better defense to Kevin Durant. That's why I'm going to give the edge to Tatum. Kobe played great defense. How many times Kobe made all NBA defense? Nine times? Twelve? Twelve times. Twelve, I think. But he couldn't stop me from scoring 60 and then when he focused on me 37

because his back line, his back line don't play defense. But you're one guy. Know what I'm saying? His back line don't play defense. His back line has has no defense and when I'm going in the lane, there's no there's no shack now There's no shack keeping me I want to get hit by shacks off and pull up jump shots now There's buying them back there. There's Lamar Odom back there I'm gone if you ever 60 against Kobe every time I will give you that but you had 60 to one time Kobe You know, you got the best of him. I get it, but he's still 12-time all defense against everybody else Maybe Gilbert arenas what I'm like, what are we talking about this list? No, no what I'm yeah Yeah, what I'm saying. We're just talking about Jason Tatum. I'm just give I'm

Between KB. I'll just want Jason Tatum is like yo for the for I think six nine overall the top four picks if GM's or people had to pick would be probably the old kids Giannis Katie and bead and Robbiff yeah no Steph LeBron right yeah at 30 the top five you putting you putting LeBron over stuff at this this point in their careers. No way the people picking I'm a LeBron guy too, but know what I'm just saying like we were you talking about Like Steph is a point guard right Kyrie's a point guard no matter how good they are. I have a point guard

Now I got to go get a shooting guard. Okay You know mean you're not as far as building your building my teams when when you have Yannis and what's the name like I I? Can really I can I found a shit I can just get a bunch of pieces and try to figure out and you have more wiggle room They're more flexible you can move me. That's why I started with Joker. I started with Joker I noted my foundation I can build around said nobody would be bad at that. This is you know, but I'm gonna be mad Yeah, so but let's talk about a player who was on the top 10 list last year and I feel like probably got disrespected the most

John Moran Ninth best player in the league last season based on this list. Yeah slipped a 35th Because of the shit, what does it have to do? Yeah, because you got these fucking fat asses sitting at a computer judging people emotional motherfuckers. Look at you, emotional. Emotional babies. Like, everyone's... Judging his name.

Everyone's critique on, like, where someone is, is emotional. And they're in their feelings about something. Like, you and your feelings about, like, what he did has nothing to do with his ranking as a basketball player. Like Zion, trying to figure out where Zion is. You can't put Zion 60-something. He was nine before the season, right? Last year. And how he played on that court was amazing.

Amazing. So how he played on the court makes him 66? That's crazy. 36. 36? Zion 57. Zion at 57. 36.

So he was an all NBA player. Top 10. He was top 10 player before he got in trouble. Yep. What changed? We don't like you no more. Yeah. That's it. Ain't got nothing to do with this game

so now we know but now we know how emotional invested you are yeah in your picks which means it has nothing to do with nothing to do with it has nothing to do with who you like who you like is who you like absolutely i try to take the stats out of it because it's like when you talk about talent and potential and what they can actually do and bring to the floor sometimes your stats don't show that sometimes you have a bad year but you still that player like just like a zion like zion didn't play enough you know he got hurt but it's like now he's back he got a fight to prove that he's still good so we talk about these 150 panelists who vote on it obviously obviously emotional, pushing Ja down to 35th. In your opinion, what type of numbers does Ja need to put up

to get that respect back? It ain't got nothing to do with basketball. That's what I'm saying. That's the problem. It has nothing. He can average the same numbers. He has nothing to do with basketball. Nothing. So if he does that, do you still feel like he'll get the hate? Man, fuck them people.

I do not care about this human being. They do not support my family or this show. Nothing. If he does that, do you still feel like he'll get the hate? Man, fuck them people. I'm just asking. I do not care about this human being. They do not support my family or this show. Damn, K. What's up? I'm saying this. Obviously now, John has a target on his back. If you tell me you get 150 people together, this person who was ninth last year,

and I'm not saying it's the same 150 people, I don't know what it is, but now he's 35th. Fuck them 150 people, man. That's what I'm saying. It's like, you know what it is, but now he's 35th Fuck them hundred and fifty people That's what I'm saying, it's like you know I'm saying let's be honest what has it to his Basketball game stat don't matter them fucking people man. It don't matter No, that's what said before he doesn't it does not a hottest man on earth Before he got in trouble

Remember elbow at the end When he put the elbow Blocked somebody's elbow This is who he was This is who he is What part of his game Changed He can only get better from here

Did he like go in a Slump or something What did he do to change it Show me. Did he like go in a slump or something? Like what did he do to change it? Show me the other players that jumped in front of his ability. Has he set out two years and now he's just not seeing them again? No. None of that. The last we saw of him

Woo! When he came back for the playoffs. When he came back, the last things we were seeing was like y'all. He back. So we know know he's gonna get the hate this year because he's missing 25 games He won't be eligible for all the NBA But do we feel like that's gonna trickle down into the next season as well or people gonna get over the shit? What's a hundred and fifty people it depends on how come back this year to my a rip what I just said a couple minutes ago Fuck them people man

It depends on how he played. In those games, it depends on how he played. We already know how he's going to play. Numbers wise. We already know how he's going to play. 25 and better. Talent plays like the talent plays. Is Ja going to get in his mental with that?

To be honest, the fact that I'm sorry. I don't know how long they've been doing this list, but it's going to take us a long time to do 10. It might take you the whole season to come up with a 10 for this year.

To come up with a comfortable 10 that we like, alright, we're going to put this out. The fact that they even have 150 people on the list is bothering me. We're going to have're gonna put this out the fact that they even have a hundred fifty people on the list is We go have so many put a pin in his moments. I think we're gonna put a pin this come back to It's getting too heated we're gonna put a pin in this we're gonna Donovan, yeah. I wanted to take the OJ case. You know what I'm saying? We got like 18 months. Yeah. I was like, you got the OJ before top 10 get really picked. We still ain't figured out

who the top 10 best players ever is. The season is over. We still trying to figure it out. You can't even have a consistent list on that, but y'all got a hundred... A hundred and fifty people

to agree. We've been doing that for 13 years. We got a hundred and fifty people to agree. Were they showing the OJ case all across the country or was that just... Hell yeah. Because that shit was on all day case all across the country? Or was that just, oh, God.

Hell yeah. Because that shit was on all day, every day. Every day. I feel like I became a lawyer after watching that shit. I looked at that top 10. I'm like, mm. Mm-hmm. That's tough.

It looked like a good top 10, but I probably could pit somebody else in there. I'm like, good. You know what I mean? That's just how it is. I just know now how Dame truly feels being left out of the conversation of the top elite. Because if you top 10, it's top elite. For them to throw SGA in there. Not from their fucking list.

Fuck their list. Yeah. I mean, you know that's how everybody feels about their list. But it's like if it's a consensus and it's put out to the public and the public is trying to buy into this top 10 list without us saying fuck the list. It's like, oh, you left me out of the top 10? How? How you leaving me out of the top 10? I'm me. Kyrie's saying the same list. It's like, oh, you left me out of the top 10? How? How you leaving me out of the top 10? I'm me.

Kyrie's saying the same thing. Like, what? Like, if Zion is what? Like 57? 57. 57. In Josh 35? Yeah.

Like, I don't even want to imagine who's in between that. Who's in front of the, who's the 22? Just imagine that, bro. Because, no, no, no, the reason who's the 22? Just imagine that, bro. No, no, no, the reason I don't want to know the list, because then I gotta throw shots at the person and it ain't his fault. It ain't his fault. It's these fucking, these numbers. It's these, yeah, it's them 150, yeah.

I'm pretty sure that there's gonna be some benchplayers who played on the bench last year that's gonna be in the top 50. They got Donovan Mitchell over Kyrie. Hey, Medeiros, give him a... gonna be in the top 50 they got Donovan Mitchell over Kyrie hey Medina's good but there's no need to throw shots at the players got nothing to do with the player players come on girls arena sir your opinions you're always welcome on these plush black couches. Like, if it's top ten, I mean, man. That's what I'm saying. Top ten is a hard list, man. Like, you got 150. It's perfect.

So, last question for y'all. Expert analyst, my ass. LeBron number nine on that list. Do y'all agree with that? LeBron still top ten NBA player? Yes. I mean, the average. What do you have 29 something something 29 to you 29 8 Nate I'm guarantee you he's the only person on that list that'd be like I should even be in this right now my age I should even be in the top 50 the fact that I'm in the top 10. We good

We good Rashad I'm not see you over there. Do you feel like Brian still a top 10 player in Adam Silver's NBA? Yeah, you can't you can't lie. I wanted to me and lie over here. I was like before it just I'm a big LeBron fan but it's just more wild to me you're 21 that this is still even a cop now he's that good I mean it's just you know when you you look at the body of work the numbers you can't really and what about you can't leave KD out you can't leave every last year just going if you if we just going on last year alone, can't leave him off the list. He had a 29.88.

Just last year? That means he's 4.5. Just from the numbers. You know what I'm saying? That shit is wild. That shit is wild to think about. All right, let's move on to our last segment. We appreciate everybody in the chat for rocking with us.

Believe we're over 12,000 strong. We already got Gil to hit the blunt. We need a newbie. He said he don't want to do no mushrooms. He don't want to do... For 20K. already got good hit the blow. We need to we need a new you don't want to he said he don't Want to do no mushrooms, you know I do For 20k me neither in the chat. What can we get you on? I'm just said next person that try to make me smoke blunt They should be giving a check up to the to the chat a chat. Do you want me to smoke a blunder? You want Josiah's check? That's a good check too That's a good check Same value Don't let these Chucks fool y'all Don't let them Chucks fool you

But they do They new Chucks Chucks and his little championship We gonna catch on to your shit The chat is talking about my work I dress down Gil Don't let this man cheat you The man got like 8 jobs

Multiple jobs Him and Jamaican You know, let this man to you the man got like eight jobs. No, no Multiple Jamaican Unwashed car Y'all bad but then I gotta give up my church Roy's hiding in the garage In the garage man Mercedes like you, gentlemen, I want to be a part of the club. I'm off you. I've seen a Mercedes.

It's nice. It's nice. Basically a two-seater. Family car. But two-seater because I got to lean back. Yo, if gas don't fucking change, bro, this shit ridiculous, bro. You know, I can drive a long way to come. Yo, the last two,

listen, I had to fill up twice in the week. First 120 and then once, listen, dog. to fill up twice in the week. First $120, and then $120. Listen, dog. $7? Yeah. Certain areas. I was over by Calabasas the other day. I looked at that shit.

It was $730. Biden. I looked at it. I said, oh. I looked at my gas. Make sure I won't get gas over here. Dirty Joe, man. That's a dirty Joe.

We are a basketball show. I'm going to get a scooter. Man, an electric car dirty dirty. Jody. We're basketball show. I'm gonna get a scooter I'm gonna go put some more solar panels on my house Is that why is you think that's why the gas prices at the so everybody goes so I'm in game right? Yeah I'm gonna force it. It's on the portion. It's on the floor. Guess what? It might have one in me They came towards and they still got airplanes man. They don't listen you're idiots. I don't want to tell you I was celebrity did it but celebrity bought a warehouse and Bought the g-wagons the gas ones because they're going electric now

bought about 55 of them so you're gonna wait about 10 years when Everybody want that gas back cuz they are you driving and you know, I'm driving you back Straight to the police department You driving and you know, I'm driving you back Where am I going you go? Come on, it's good. It's going that way man They got that shit in the bay. I will never rock with a self-driving joint. I need control. I see enough Who is it a I robotdriving joint. I need control. I seen a, what was it, a iRobot or whatever. I'm not, yeah, I'm putting the. I'm going to get me a scooter.

That shit look, like I never, like those bird things. You ain't never did it? You ain't never did it? Not when I was on a recruiting trip with my daughter and we was driving around. I was like, oh, I need to get one of these. Yeah. And then I was like, man, scooters look cool. They're fine.

I don't go nowhere where I really need my car. I see, yeah, I see falling written all over that I'm gonna stay my ass off for that shit. That was a hoverboard One of my never fell off of that I know no I had one I never failed I have a boy I never fail not even one of them. I went out never face stop never fail I'm too athletic for that shit Always had on the shoes I never get on a bitch flip-flop phone under that no cuz they be stopped My Tyson fall off that thing what we broke his back again

Yo, man. I live a sheltered life. Violent. Fall. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. Boom. Don't fuck yourself for talking about it. I bought one

because I seen Chris Brown do the dance. He was in a club with it and he was dancing with it. I was like, oh, man, you too good, man. He was in that book. Smooth.

Just like, oh, man, I want one. All right, so now it's time to- That bubble boy almost broke my neck neck that almost caused KJ his life He fell on that. No, he took my shit out the house without asking me You Take your mama time, bro. Don't take your mama time. So I had three in boxes, right? I was gonna give them to the older kids. I bought four of them.

I'm riding one around. So they don't know I got something stashed off for them for Christmas or whatnot. So he take it upon himself. I'm just going to take that one. I come back from Taipei. I don't know where am I. She was like, yo, went on a little money trip to go over there, get a couple dollars, come back. I'm gone for like four days. I come back.

It ain't nowhere to be found. We moved in the process. I'm asking my wife, like, you seen my board? She's like, no. I'm going to come back days. I come back. It ain't nowhere to be found. We moved in the process. I'm asking my wife, like, you seen my board? She's like, no. I'm going to come back to the house one day. She called me, like, I found it. I'm like, where is it? She said, I'll tell you when you get here.

She didn't want you to be mad the whole way. That man said he almost lost his life. On the board? Nah. Listen, I went up to the school, bro. Like, dead ass. I was Christian. I went up to the school. bruh. Like, dead ass. I was Christian. I went up to the school.

That was his last day at the school. Where he at? He said that was his last day at the school? Dead ass serious. Where he at? Went down the hall like I was looking for a good ass man. You don't touch my boy, boy. Dead ass went up to the school.

Nuts. Of a boy. Gone, bruh. Like, you took out of the house that belonged to me hold on we got i gotta talk to you now nuts man like yeah this is this is kjo's in ninth grade everybody get this everybody get his moment k bro nobody is in ninth grade dog that's funny i went up to the k take the man hoverboard. The lady made me check in. So I had to check in. I went back outside and coach called me and said, I went back to the thing and the same

lady that sat at the desk made me check in again. Oh, I'm living now. I'm already bad now. I'm on fucking 12. I just gave you the pass back. You just saw me. Just saw me. Just gave me the same sticker back. Just act like I went to the toilet. I don't know what you got to do, but just... Get my boy back.

Yeah. But my bad. No, I was just saying my bad. We appreciate these moments on Gil's Arena. All right? You probably already learned about y'all. KJ, as soon as I see him, you better get your day to the board back. Don't fuck with K-Mart's hoverboard.

I got to add that to my list. So now it's time to jump in the hot take time machine. So Michael Jordan and Steph Curry are two of the most influential players in NBA history. Let's take a quick look at their career comparison. You said, wait, what? You said both of them are? They're both influential, Gil. Okay.

So championships, obviously Jordan. Finals, he got them. Scoring titles. Bad cologne. Steph has never made a bad cologne. First of all. But the last one don't even fucking matter. First of all, that cologne. Steph has never made a bad cologne. First of all. But the last one don't even fucking matter.

First of all, that cologne was nice. What y'all talking about? You feel me? The Michael Jordan cologne? I got some in the thing. Hell yeah. That shit is fire. I don't mean the shit on Under Armour, but that last one ain't even a fucking comparison. Let's stop it. Steph, make it break. I understand.

I hope you understand.'s stop it. But Steph, make it break. Shoe line, signature shoe. I understand. I hope you understand. But I'm just, I'm not here. Fuck. I get it. Boy, you know how many more pairs of underarm this man got to sell? Shit. Hey. There was a moment, though.

There was a moment, though, a few years ago. Boy, ain't never been a moment. No, it wouldn't. With them underarmor shoes? It ain't never been a moment. Michael Jordan? That Michael Jordan shoes didn't sell. Oh, I don't say that.

The top shoe. I'm just saying there was a moment where it was like, oh, okay. Maybe Steph could do it. The top shoe. Michael Jordan run nice because they got to keep running. What, since 85, 86? Since he won the first shoe? So here's the thing.

MJ's obviously had the better individual career to this point. But when you talk about the scope of basketball, who kids can actually try to be like? Everybody wanted to be like Michael Jordan. Couldn't really do it. Let me ask the scope of basketball, who kids can actually try to be like? Everybody wanted to be like Mike. Jordan. Couldn't really do it. Let me ask the question. There's more kids. No, get into it.

Because that was my point. Get into it. Get into it. So here's the question. This is all week, last two weeks. We came back from season two, had a nice break. Yeah. Interjecting.

Giving me the hand when I try to keep the confidence. Do your push-ups, man, so you can nudge this thing over here. Chad getting mad at me. Calling me a bad moderator. Do your push-ups, you can nudge this thing over here. I'm just saying. That's my next step. I've been on the exercise do your push-ups, man. So you can nudge this thing over here. You can nudge this thing over here. That's my next step. I've been on the exercise bike push-ups or net. I'm about a month away from getting cleared. But who is more influential?

Michael Jordan or Steph Curry? Michael Jordan. Easy? Yes. No debate. Why? Everybody can, everybody think they can be Steph. Everybody wanted to be Jordan. Right? Everybody wanted to be like Mike. everybody think they can be Steph. Everybody wanted to be Jordan. Right? Everybody wanted to be like Mike.

Everyone thinks they can be Kurt. You can't be Mike, but we wanted to be Mike. Okay. Right? It's just, everything, the look. Like, Michael Jordan wanted us and made us want to be basketball players. Right? It was, right? Wanted us and made us want to be basketball players Right it was Right, we know we was gonna get killed or beat up

For his shoes, but we went out and risked our lives anyway anyway Anyway, the reason that there's online shoe sales is because of Michael Jordan right when we played video games, right? Everybody went to the Bulls, right? We knew Michael Jordan wasn't you know, just hope we want to the Bulls, right? We knew Michael Jordan was in this game. We want to see the ball hand somebody that resembled Michael Jordan. Player 99 or player 24 usually. Right? So when you talk about just the overall,

like Michael Jordan was the standard of what to be an NBA player was, right, and no matter how we look at it, like even today, the metrics on video games is because of Michael Jordan, right? The reason that everyone's complaining that they're not 99s or 98s is because the standard

is built off of Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan is the top. Everyone falls under there. So when you see someone's 98, and they're like, why they have no 99s? Because Michael Jordan is 99 So everybody's gonna fall on 98 after that. And that's just how it's done. Yeah, what if Michael Jordan would have made a thousand threes? Just thousand. Well, okay. So even when you look at this list, I mean even when you talk about the three-pointers made, right?

No one realized that the three-point was longer. It was 24 feet until 94-95 season. So, right, after the 95 moving forward, those players all have an advantage on a smaller three-point line. There's things in history that changes that we're not aware of, right? Unless you look at the, like even being a defensive guard, right? Like this is irritating me too. When you look at the guards that are like nine times,

eight times defensive players, right? And then we look at the competition that they played against. The guards didn't score. So, I mean, your guys scored five points. How hard is it? If I had to guard everybody who scored five, I would be considered a defensive player. Where are you going?

You don't shoot the ball. It's easy for me to play defense if you're not shooting the ball. Trying to score. I mean, trying to guard Steph Curry. Trying to score 30 in Dame. Trying to score 30 in John Morant. Obviously god damn it my defense is not gonna be a part but if I'm guarding someone who who's passing the ball to Patrick you and you taking you know three shots again yeah I look like all defense doing

this so I mean it's different the game is different but when it comes to just the inspiration of the game and who everyone wanted to be and what it stood for, for me it's Michael Jordan still. But just from a game comparison, right? You said everybody wants to be Steph. Obviously they don't put in the work to be Steph. Mike, we don't really see, there's only certain players that can emulate Mike's game. The Kobe's are the one.

One player. Yeah, but you got- With the fadeaways, you don't go into high school gyms and see a ton of that type of shit. Maybe during Mike's game. The Kobe's are the one. One player. Yeah, but you got... With the fadeaways. You don't go into high school gyms and see a ton of that type of shit. Maybe during Mike's heyday. You got more guys who's closer to Steph's size and stature walking around and that play...

That's my point with the influence. That play basketball at lunch and on Saturday mornings at the fucking rec, you know what I'm saying, that think they... Like, it's more people that, like, give us a point, like, to try to be that, but. What you thinking?

Yeah. You gonna go ahead and take on this? Like, I'm Mike. You and Mike? White people can be stuff. Yeah, Mike. In their minds. So does that make him more influential?

That's where I was about to go, I was about to jump in on that. Because I'm torn between the two, right? Because I do get it. Mike is Mike, and we already know that I want to be, I want to be like Mike, right? We grew up with us. And the shoes keep him relevant and his influence going. But I'm all

about the evolution of the game, right? And you're talking about what Mike did at that time. You could throw a lot of different players back in that time bubble and say, oh, put this person here. Will he be more influential? Would he have done what Mike done considering Ron or Kobe, right? But you look at Steph, how he changed the game, just like Mike changed the game when he came in. We can't do, like you said, we can't do what Mike did. Like we can't jump in the air. You can't practice jumping in the air and doing all that. And the shit that Mike was doing was unheard of. We can't duplicate that. But what Steph is doing, shooting deep threes, gives everybody this incentive that they can do that. That influence to me is heavy. It's not greater, but it's heavy when you got, like you said, white people, Chinese people,

all over the world trying to shoot from a damn near half court. Saying, Steph, you you know i'm saying this is not mike i'm not saying that it is and we look at the list usually all these accomplishments as mike got over steph but i'm saying when steph's career is over with he's already changed the game his influence of shooting that three ball at three thousand look at that. 42% at 3,000 threes? That's crazy. But the reach now for social media plays a factor in that influence. This man went to the 92 fucking Barcelona Olympics. He was the most popular person on the planet, right? And this is no social media.

This is all because of a fucking television set that you might get Bulls game and a fucking shoot. Newspapers and all that. So, social media plays a part in it now. It makes it seem bigger than it really is. Yeah.

Is it really though? Yeah, it does. No, because social media is a part of culture and life now. Everybody got a smartphone. So, it's not bigger than what it really is? Yeah, it does. No, because social media is a part of culture and life now. Everybody got a smartphone. So it's not bigger than what it really is if everybody watching Steph on your phone. All right, if Steph Curry and Michael Jordan took off and went to China or whatever, who would a crowd follow? At what time? What period?

You're talking about right now? Tonight. All night. Today? Whenever, yeah. Today? Whenever. Yeah. I'm torn. You're torn?

I'm torn. I can tell you right now, they're going to follow the big black guy. Yeah. I don't know, man. See that shit right now. I don't know, man. They're going to follow the 6'6 black guy. I don't know, man.

Let's talk a little bit. It might be children following Steph. That's a lot of children. But masses of people, they're going to follow the 6'6 Black Man. The older guys are going to show up for Mike. No, no, no. They're going to follow the 6'6 Black Man. The world is showing up for Mike.

They're going to follow the 6'6 Black Man. Oh, man. The world. When Steph does a camp, right, people come. When Jordan does a camp in Santa Barbara, the world comes. That's Santa Barbara camp. Most of those people are from China and Japan. They're coming here to get that autograph to take it back to their country. I ain't what it looked like when I was there for them two years.

I was a counselor there. I didn't see none of that. Them little kids, them little Chinese, they're not American. It was them Chinese dudes trying to flip that money. They were paying us $5,000 for the... You going to get that autograph? Where do you think those autographs... I know.

Have you noticed when you go online about Michael Jordan... No, no, no. Those autographs ain't... Them going straight to China. Oh, yeah. And them paying for them already. That ain't happening with Curry's. So let's talk about just the influence on the game for a second now Yeah, you talked about this earlier this week But when the NBA moved the three-point line back up in the mid 90s, we saw a surge in three-point attempts. Mm-hmm

During Steph's era we've seen teams three-point attempts increase Dramatically teams they try to copy the Warriors playbook without How to tell it but but my point is three highest three-point attempts per game season in the NBA have all come in the last three years. Yes. Record was 21-22. Teams were shooting an average of 35.2 attempts a game. It's going to go up this year.

So the question is... Do we attribute that to Steph's influence, though? No, you can attribute that also to the Warriors' style. It's the style of play that he was the man of. So let's be honest. It was Splash Brothers. It started off as Splash Brothers I understood right and in one splashed a lot more than the other one right and then it became a step thing but it's the It's the the way they played that everybody was trying to mimic but they didn't have the brothers for one

Yeah, it's on to your point, there's three people who've changed the way people draft, the way people look at the game, the way people try to coach the game. Michael Jordan, first. Shaquille O'Neal, and Steph Curry. You see?

So, like, how you picking players, how you evaluating talent All because of them three guys And errors, but so do you tribute though this this surgeon three-point attempts and you know you talk about the splash brother Only one of those brothers was the unanimous MVP Yeah, so do you attribute the copycat of this league to what Steph's influence on the game has me? Yes, I'm torn. I'm torn. Yes And we say you MJ for the game MJ. Yes career is over. I would say yes

MJ's but the influx of it threes and all that is because the way Golden State was Steph, but the way Steph plays the game I'm saying and it's a lot easier to shoot a three than a fadeaway. So let's but in Steph's era or during the time in Steph's league, the way that the three-point attempts have surged up, and a lot of things probably shouldn't be doing that. Well, I mean, when the NBA surged from before to 94-95 season, there was not no three-point shooter that came in that surged them three points. It's just close to the line.

It's close to the that that surged that but you're talking about The rules that were changed for Michael himself and for the rest of the league moving forward Right. It was rules changed right for the man. The man was so famous. They had to get planes We couldn't put him in regular airports no more. Like, it became, it was a thing, right? He was like a man wearing suits.

The way he talked, driving the car, like he was bigger than Michael Jackson. Oprah, like he was bigger than Michael Jackson. You think Jordan was bigger than? Don't.

Don't. At one point. At one point? At one point? Gilbert, stop it. Yes, Michael Jordan was the most famous person on the planet. Bigger than Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson?

Are you guys serious right now? Since he was five years old? Stop it. That's what's up. Get to the history of it. At one point, he was bigger than Michael Jackson. We're talking about one point. At one point, Michael Jordan was the most famous person on the planet. At one point? For an hour talking about them Perry step one point was

Michael Jackson Year Michael Jordan was the biggest thing walking Michael Jackson I'm sure you know, they did a song called Jam You know, you know, you know that a jam who was in it Who's in it? You know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know else? Nobody, nobody. What you talking about? I'm just saying a reference. Yeah you're saying Jordan. You talking about where I got my knockoffs? Why I got my knockoffs? I ain't saying knockoffs I'm saying who inspired your design?

Was it Steph or was it somebody else that we're? Neither. Neither? No. Are you sitting here on this couch in your basement, obviously you paid the checks this is Gil's Arena, and telling me that Michael Jordan was bigger than Michael Jackson at some point No point a year people say me his six championship Thousand people Michael Jordan to trust who have owners

I'm saying Not beat into the We watch those I'm saying, yeah, of course if you add time to it. Do not feed into this. But what I'm asking you to do is this. We watch those ball games in the 90s. We've never seen people carried out. Never. Never. Y'all know there was a whole damn FBI coming when he lost his 23 jersey? When he couldn't find it, he had to wear 12.

Man, do you know the FBI had to actually be security for Michael Jackson? Michael Jackson had FBI agents as security. No, no, no. We know that. I'm talking about this. To find a jersey. He couldn't find his jersey. He had to wear 12.

You know there was a whole big investigation for his jersey. Bro. A jersey. They had to close down malls. No, no. I'm talking about that. So that Michael Jackson can shop. Michael Jordan, too.

Never. Michael Jordan, too. Michael Jordan too. Never. Michael Jordan too. Michael Jordan in Chicago. Yes, in Chicago. Absolutely. This is fact. In Chicago. This is fact.

This is fact. We're talking about- You said mall. Harris. There too. Harris. Have you ever been in- They shut down the whole shit.

They got a whole- What? Michael Jackson had an army. No, listen. We're not- Walk him through a- We're not talking about who was bigger at the same time. We're just saying maybe Michael Jackson come out with a CD for four years and MJ won his fifth NBA. And then boom. We're not talking about that.

We're talking about an hour a weekend at one point. He was the biggest man on this planet. Absolutely. How about this? When he won his first championship, just one. Just one. The NBA said, this is the best basketball player

that ever lived. No, I got one better for you. No, fuck that. I got one better for you. The president went on national television when the man came back and said,

this man single-handedly changed the fucking economy. Damn. Huh? MJ? Yes. Which name? Jordan? Michael Jordan, when he said, I'm back, single-handedly changed the economy.

If I'm not mistaken, Bill Clinton was the president then. He was drunk. He single-handedly changed the fucking economy. Bill Clinton was drunk. He was drunk. Let's focus on the work. When Michael Jordan came back, I'm back, he single-handedly changed the fucking economy. Bill Clinton was drunk. He was drunk. When Michael Jordan came back, I'm back. He single-handedly changed the economy. He changed the NBA.

The reason that we have the Europeans now is because Michael Jordan and that dream team went over there. I don't know about that. Pistol Pete was... I mean, Pekovic. Drazen, Petrovic? No, I'm talking to the point where it became this thing. That's why they used the pros at that point.

That's why 92 was just so important to everyone because it was the first time that we really used professionals to go out there and win. And kick ass and take names. Just going back to my point, Steph definitely has potential to rise to the occasion because he's still playing. We got to go on everything Mike done

and all the influence he put on us as children coming up. So if it wasn't for his shoes right now keeping him relevant, we would just go back to his stats. No, but now he inspired you to buy fucking teams as a fucking player. I don't know about that. What the fuck you mean? I don't know about that. Is he more influential than LeBron James? Who, Steph?

Who, Steph? I know. I ain't never seen LeBron or Steph do a space jam or train wreck. Two of LeBron's greatest acting jobs. I'm just saying, like... Train wreck was a great...

While we're comparing people, why not compare it to somebody that's... Like, it's Jordan. Like, wait. It's LeBron and Steph. You got to compare them. He has a school. Does he have a whole Nike headquarter?

You got to fucking... But if you talk about influence... You got to build it on Nike campus. Influence on the game. More people want to be like Steph than they do want to be like LeBron. More people have the opportunity to be like Steph.

Because most people ain't walking around fucking 6'9", 2'6". That's the point. That's usually the point we talk about. But that's what I'm saying. But it doesn't mean that most people want to be somebody they just can't be. No, bro. That's what changed the influence is the fact

that Steph makes it accessible to be more like him. I guarantee if they drop the throwback jersey right now of Michael Jordan and they just put him and Steph's jersey in the stores. It's unfair. With City. It don't matter. It don't matter what City.

You can put them motherfuckers out in Golden State. You can put them motherfuckers in the Chase Arena. They still, them motherfuckers out in Golden State. You can put them motherfuckers in the Chase Arena. They steal Michael Jordan's jersey and then all of the jerseys go in, bro. They steal it. I challenge that because they already have Mike's jersey everywhere. You put a hundred jerseys on. They ain't took them out.

A hundred Mike jerseys and a hundred Steph jerseys. I'm going with Steph. These are the only hundred that you're going to be able to get. Steph sell out in two days. Guess what? Guess what? Two minutes, I mean. with Steph. Hey, hey. It's the only 100 that you're going to be able to get. Steph sell out in two days. Guess what? Guess what? Two minutes, I mean. Two minutes. Not two days.

Two minutes. What? What? Steph will sell out. He ain't even a top seller in the NBA right now. He used to be. No. No.

Yeah. No. Yes. As long as LeBron. 30 was. When they was winning, 30 was number one. What I'm saying is, if he was number one jersey selling, when has he ever been the number one jersey seller? LeBron James. 16,Bron James 2023 2023 no I'm talking about when he was

when it was winning the championship in seven was it 16 17 let's see 20 he was like 2016 it was number one 2017 just wasn't Steph number one Jersey sale 26 come on man come on man so what's the respect on my boy 30 man? I'm just trying to figure out So we just like he had it for back to the point was one year I think to it now years three years in a row 2017 years in a row. Let's go Bring it up some more 18. I love the volume. Okay, let's go to back to the point You're lying in jerseys and Michael Jordan go set up. No Michael George's jerseys wasn't still them

They were still on the rack when he was number one, but this is why so Michael Jordan's Jersey was still there Who was count Jersey at 16 17 18 most popular Jersey then from 2019 LeBron 20 LeBron 21 LeBron 22 LeBron 23 LeBron That Laker influence. So that means that media promote if you want to have the highest In this year get it in the purple ago. Guess what's gonna be again this year You need to bond James because he went back to 23. Yeah, so it's gonna be That one but that really ain't fair though. If you want the highest-selling Jersey, you know what you got to do on the fact that this man Keep changing That's fucking horrible of him.

Like, that's goddamn, listen, man. We get it, but that's goddamn cheap. It's a funny part. I want to see where Michael Jordan's jersey sales at now. That he hasn't. Awesome. I want Steph to change his number to something. That motherfucker going to be astronaut. Listen.

Yo, change his number. Hey, that's actually a smart move. Like y'all said, that's a cheap joke. That shit would be crazy. But the problem with it is... Dame should have picked another number. No, the problem is what ends up happening is the players don't get their money themselves. What number did Dame wear in college?

Four? Three? It was one? It was a low number. It was zero, I think. I think it was zero. Two? One.

It was one. He should have went back to one. I think it was zero. Two? One. It was one. It should have went back to one. That would have been nasty. He couldn't. It's a Bucs. He couldn't. So you got to read. He's going by the Bucs.

No, but he couldn't go to one. Oscar. Oscar's retired. But even though, just thinking, I think he should have switched numbers. Go to Milwaukee. Yeah, that jersey sale would have been, yeah. It's disgusting, but it would have been. All right, well, let's move on to Mosey fans. Good job today fellas. We really got to it

You know, we cook we cook when we hear okay, we cook when we ladies. I'm this is entertainment We all like each other after the show is crazy Michael Jordan MJ Them clubs must have been crazy Magic I was a lot of... But you see what happened. The good OJ? It was three MJs.

I don't feel like... There was three MJs. I don't feel like OJ was fucking with that crew. He was always on his own OJ shit. No, there was three Michaels. There was Michael Tyson. Yeah. Anyone.

There was Michael Jordan and Michael Jackson. Anyone. Jordan. Who got the best table and they put up a nice Michael now because everything is just so it seems like everything is so spread out. We don't really know how big Like those three was mega mega mega superstars it seemed like you know me like back then walk on the planet Well, you know me like, you know, we know Jay-z, Beyonce's big, but they would never have that MJ because we get to see them all the time. So we get used to the look.

Like, oh, we did an interview here, we did an interview there. Back then, it's like MJ's doing an interview, everyone locked in. Oh, shit, Oprah got Michael Jackson. Harry was watching. You know what I mean? Young Oprah, too. Now we can go online and look at everybody all the time. So I guess...

What's wild is obviously Michael hasn't been with us for a while, but he only got 8.2 million followers. Like, if he would have had Twitter, IG, all that shit back in his day... Stop. Billion. Billion. He ain't got more followers than you? He probably got like 900 this year.

Damn. I'm here. I'm posting. It's me. What you doing if MJ slide to DM? It's me. What? All right, so now we are on to Mostly Fans.

I think they ran the graphic already. I've been a little out of it. But first question, underdog username. I1RudeMFI, I believe. I don't even know. I got to be careful reading these names. I know somebody's going to try to trap me at some point. In light of the fire throwback Apache jersey, what is your favorite throwback jersey of all time?

Throwback jersey of all time. It would be Penny. You know, that's the only jersey it's only Jersey with the pinstripes yeah Jersey I like Wow better job try what you you got a ding was penny man that's tough too um I like the rare ones the rare commodity ones But it's so difficult to pick but I go with the Oscar Robinson books I Think that's a so hard one to come by but that The logo how it looked the colors scheme. Yeah, though next to them a tumbo with the with the city The Denver with the with the city. Oh the Denver Mutombo in Denver with the old school Alex Who's Kiki Vanderway numerous reverse done Daniels for all of them that they want first and then what's I'm gonna brought him back

Yeah, yeah, okay. Who you rolling with is a fire. Sure the fact that pistol Pete had his fucking nickname on the back He's yours. Yeah, that's or or the Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah had Isaiah Thomas on his fucking jersey. Yeah, my pops had that jersey. Yeah, one of them. Full name. That nigga had Pistol Pete on it. They got Pistol on the back of his jersey, dog. He couldn't do that in today's NBA.

You talking about the Jazz one, too, with the purple with the Jazz logo? The New Orleans Jazz. And back then, Michigan was popping. The Michigan jersey was the Fab Five. Ooh, the yellow. Chris Webber. Ooh.

Chris Webber jersey. Are you going to the college, John? Chris Webber jersey. Because I'm thinking about the jersey as a kid like that. Chris Webber jersey. Yeah, the UNLV. Larry Johnson. Larry Johnson.

Four. Chris Webber. Four. The Len Bias Maryland jersey, bro. I got all of them at the house still. All my home back still. The Len Bias Boston Celtics jersey. I am biased Maryland Jersey, bro 30 got all the metal steel of room by a steel Austin Celtic look dirty about Yeah, yeah the little thing you put a charger. I still got all my throwbacks I use our man ain't gonna come back at some point, but I got to get him cut though. It was to be too big

It's stupid be as oh, oh three or four Fabulous video join me like right at the right time, but I like I remember I got some clothes from Larry skinny to me Yeah, and he had five X seven X like come on He was a Jersey. He's a Jersey dude. Just clothes. Just everything was just five t-shirt down here on you Let's leave on the t-shirt down here for all All right last from underdog username Chop City. What player would you pick

to start a franchise with all time? He says, mine is Shaq. Who would you guys pick? All time. Say it again. What's the question?

Which player would you pick to start a franchise with? You can pick any player in history. Who asked that? I'm starting with Wilt. Chop City. I'm starting with Wilt. I want to say Cole, but I'm starting with Wilt. I want to say Cole,

but I just like that Wilt, you know, his body of work, rebounds, and defense, and scoring, and all that. I started mine with Wilt. You saw Wilt play? Yeah. Live? Oh, I watched some film. When? Show this film to me.

Yeah, I watched a lot of film with Wilt. You said Wilt. All time? Yeah. I mean, it's wild to see him, I mean, what, like jumping like six, ten, seven feet on the high jump. Fast, all that. He was doing a lot. He was doing a lot. With all the work, balancing the work with game responsibility. You know I'm going double trouble with my team.

Hey, look, he on my team. We going double trouble. If you do the math on it, that shit does not make sense. He work for ESPN. Fucking just lying and bullshit. They coming out with work rates. God rest that man's soul. That was the most blatant lie, biggest lie ever told.

I don't know, man. We get kind of close. We start losing track. We start losing count. Once you start losing count, you know what I'm saying? Bullshit losing count. Once you start losing count, you know what I'm saying? Shots at the bullshit, man. Once you start losing count, you know what I'm saying? I didn't get half the money he got.

The man ain't even had Viagra this year. The man ain't slept with 20,000 women. Hey, halftime. Come on in here. Whatever, man. The math doesn't really matter. Come on in here. There's no math in it at all. I'm going to go with LeBron. Okay.

Solid. Safe. It's safe. I mean, you know, when you're talking about just taking care of his body, understanding being professional, everything he brings and, you know, the game itself, you know, 4-5, 1-2, you know, I get a range of it but

Twenty-some years that he's gonna be in pickable shape and understand I am gonna go with that Yeah, it's tough we supposed to be debating and arguing Like it's tough arguing against that. Yeah, it's... Like, it's tough to... But if I'm going to pick somebody different just for fucking argument's sake... Steph. Hey. Hey.

For argument's sake, just somebody different. Just somebody different. Hey. Just to be fucking different. Hey. I'm going to go with Steph. All right.

We'll roll with that. As much as I would like to say Shaq, right? I'm going to say Kobe. Right? Y'all have to remember Kobe was there too, and you can't take away the things he said, right? Yeah. Right?

So it's like we can't take away that part of it, right? What do you mean Young Shaq? Like Orlando Magic Shaq? No, no, I'm taking that one. Yeah, right so you know it's like you know I can't we can't take away that part of it right then what even young Shag like Orlando Magic Shag no, no, I'm taking that one. That's that's you know, that's that's my team right there But we still got to finish the career off so I got to look at the whole No, you know he started gaining weight and you know someone called him lazy. I can't You know, I'm I had this conversation the other day. Give me 10 years! Yo. Huh? One of the most disgusting images in NBA history is Shaq in that fucking Boston Celtics jersey, dog. That number 36 on.

Nasty. Dog. Nasty. I was looking at that. I was like, come on, big fella. Nasty. Like, don't give us that, dog. I love you too much.

Blasphemy. I love you too much. Blasphemy. I was on Orlando. And I remember when we was playing them, Dwight was just laughing at him. Because he's trying to do moves. He can't do none of that. Get out of here.

But I'm serious. I see why he hates you, bro. I see why he hates you, bro. Laughing at him? Yeah, no, he probably was. No, Dwight is clown. Dwight is a defensive player, and he's strong, too. So he's laughing.

I'm like, yo, this is disgusting. This is not the Shaq. No lift, Shaq. No lift, no foot movement, Shaq. Knee pads, Shaq. That Phoenix and Boston Shaq. Like, I was... Cleveland Shaq.

I was like, don't do it. What's so funny is like... I love him. and Boston Shaq. Cleveland Shaq. I was like, don't do it. I love him to death. That Orlando Shaq is what we want, but then we know Hakeem got the best of him. Then we're like, alright, Hakeem,

you play against that Lakers Shaq. We want you to play against that Lakers Shaq. You know what I mean? Absolutely. I was like, as a fan, You play against that liquor shack. Yeah, we want you to play against that liquor shack. You know, I mean, they're different. It's it's Absolutely, it's like it's like I was like I'm as a fan. I just wish that we can see Everybody in there at their best when we can say alright, this was his best Match up with him now and those are the those are the players that I want to see man she, Shaq getting that ball and throwing the wing and running at you. And man, and spin, and Zaka.

Which Jordan do you take? What age? I take Wizards Jordan so I can just watch him get cooked. No, no. No, no. I was like, yo, which Jordan do you take? Do you take the Jordan that slowed down and he became more of a backup type of player shooting? 96 to 98.

Or do you take the third-year Jordan who was averaging 37 that had all the legs running, coming downhill? Which Jordan do you take? Do you give that third-year Jordan a squad? I mean, that's... No, what I'm saying is which one? You take the earlier one. Yeah, that was the same question. Do you take the 8 Kobe or the 24 Kobe? You know what I'm saying is which one? You take the earlier one. Yeah, that was the same question. Do you take the 8 Kobe or the 24 Kobe?

You know what I'm saying? The early. I'm taking 8. What I'm saying is when you match up, when you say, all right, we're going to take, when we're talking about Jordan versus Kobe, right, do you want the post-up Jordan who gets the post-up all the time, but he got a Kobe that's athletic? Or do you want the Jordan that was just fast as shit jumping over everybody? You want the time, but he got a Kobe that's athletic or do you want the Jordan?

That was just faster shit jumping over everybody you want the early sounds like a debate Which player do I take like do you Like I know like someone says like if I asked LeBron, which LeBron do you take he's gonna take 2012 There's a Miami you're gonna take his 2012 self, right? It's like like I like to ask players like Which which was the pure best self when you felt like you was just him Right is like I want to you know, that's the question. I would like Jordan ass like absolutely Which which one do you like if you had to stay in your body forever? Which one is it? With no father time with no father time. I do 90 91 Jordan Yeah, because I tell people all the time, people ask me who guarded Shaq.

I told you all, father time guarded Shaq. Father time guarded Mike. Like dudes was... We're going to have that debate on another Gills Arena. We appreciate y'all. Everybody rocking with us. Yeah. Another Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Great Everybody rocking with us. Yeah. Another Gills Arena

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