Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena DESTROYS NBA OGs For Disrespecting LeBron

Episode Date: August 28, 2024

Gil's Arena Debates The Boston Celtics' BIGGEST Threats In The East as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew break down who could give the reigning NBA Champion the most trouble in their quest to repeat this season, landing on Jalen Brunson & The New York Knicks and Giannis Antetokounmpo & The Milwaukee Bucks as the teams most likely to take over the NBA's Eastern Conference. They discuss if the Knicks did enough to make that leap by adding Mikal Bridges to an already potent lineup and give their take on the state of the Bucks as Giannis & Damian Lillard look to bounce back after an up and down first season of freak time. Next, they react to the ratings release of NBA 2K's top 10 players where Nikola Jokic took the top spot at 97 as the best player on the virtual court. They also react to LeBron James saying Bronny can't call him Dad when they're sharing the court with the Los Angeles Lakers and dissect the delicate balance LeBron will have to manage this season playing alongside his son before reacting to NBA Legends like Dennis Rodman & Mario Elie coming at the king. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A Special Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:01 How Far Would You Go To Avoid Someone? 0:09:31 NBA 2k25's Top 10 Ratings 0:15:12 Gil Updates His All Time Top 5 Rankings 0:31:17 Breaking Down Talent vs Skill 0:45:34 LeBron's Rules For Bronny At Work 1:17:59 NBA OGs Hating On LeBron's "Buddy Ball" 1:36:31 Have The Knicks Done Enough To Make The Finals? 2:18:29 MostlyFans 2:33:57 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Lifelong, baby. Pooka the Cook. Yes! You feel me? The matching hat? Yeah. You know what I mean? See, he already knew.

He already knew. He already he already created it for baby just I just put it together make it look nice I thought those were you see I like you for him long here you die hard already you crazy 16 to know how many games wait how many games you've 17. We added one. We have a buy week. 17 plus a buy week. 17 who? 18 week season. 17 games. I'm like every other fan. We're going undefeated

this year until you show us otherwise. In case you didn't get the memo, we are a football podcast now. Yes, we are. With our esteemed panel of football experts. I'm not an expert. I'm a fan. You play Madden. I'm not an expert. Yours are maddened. I'm a fan. Yo, you play maddened. I'm not that good.

And he's terrible. They both terrible, actually. Both of y'all terrible. Ooh. Both of y'all terrible. I do this on every level. Baseball, soccer, cricket, water polo, whatever. I'm a star. Golf, all that. You see how I just beat this nigga ass on here?

They didn't get that shit on film. I've been online all day, man, looking for vintage shit. I got a cold jersey. The name is Poppin'. The name is Poppin'. His name is Poppin'. He was nice too for the team? Yeah. Well, I don't know if he was nice, too, for the team? Yeah. Well, I don't know if he was nice.

Michael Sam? Michael who? Come on, man. What are we doing? Something broke? What was that? Michael Sam. That just sounds familiar.

He's a football player. We're jerseying, bro. Oh, Nick. What jersey, Gil? Oh. I'll just show you. What jersey? What football jersey? Oh, man. Did you just break your wrist? Oh, bro.

Oh. No. What jersey? It wasn't that Martin. That was Martin. You didn't even get. Come on, man. I thought you was a die hard Martin fan.

What jersey did you wear? What jersey? That's hilarious. That's hilarious. I didn't know what that was. I had to figure it out. I was like, oh, shit. Michael Jackson Thriller.

Youngblood. Youngblood. OK. His name is Youngblood. OK. Yeah, I was like, oh, shit. Michael Jackson Thriller. Youngblood. Youngblood. Okay. His name is Youngblood. Okay. That's a nice-ass name. I just wanted him. Okay.

1970-something. I've been a fan since then. Oh, my Lord. The Jack Youngblood Rams jersey. Huh? Jack Youngblood. Yeah, Jack Youngblood. That's hard. That's a tough name. That's hard. That's a tough name.

That's hard. That's a good name. But this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend and current Rams fan Gilbert Arenas here with us. What's up, baby? That's a good four. Okay. Yeah.

Football expert. My dad played football, man, so I had to grow up playing football. We got... Just hurt. Got Mr. B, Brandon Jennings. Raiders fan. Back in the college. Raiders.

Representing the Raiders, you have chosen wisely. Devontae Adams. And we got Cemetery Larry. Rashad McKenzie. Back in the building. Okay, very New Yorked out today. Yeah. He's a fan.

He's an Eagles fan, so you got to say. Motherfuckers will be playing basketball in Tel Aviv. I'm not going to finish with you. Is there any player in particular who's playing? Nah, I'm just saying.

That's what I'm saying, niggas. Okay. I'm saying niggas in Tel Aviv. Want to come fuck with me? Where you going to go? Oh, my Lord.

All right. If you couldn't tell already, it's going to be a productive day in the arena. For all the fans out there, we have two viewing options for you, our traditional version and a mobile vertical version that you can watch when you're on the go. Somebody said they're at the Pizza Buffet right now,

and they're not leaving until the show is over. So put in that work. Make sure you're watching on your cell phone. Thank you. Pizza Buffet? Where that's at? CC's Pizza? Shakey's used to have it.

Shakey's. Shakey's. Shakey's was fire after the AAU games. Pizza Hut used to be cracking back in the day. No. Trash. Trash. Trash. Like horrible.

They said Chuck E. Cheese's pizza was fire. He was fire. Stop the count. Nah. Damn. Chuck E. Cheese's pizza. They said Chuck E. Nah. You little kids, all that shit was good. All that was good. You Nah. For you little kids,

all that shit was good. All that was good. You go now, you be like, it's too much dough. It's too much bread. Take these checkers. All that was good when you was little. Kool-Aid. You remember that? That's not good for you. Yeah. It's delicious. It's sugar. Who has the best pizza?

Pizza Hut. Pizza Hut pizza is fire. Yeah, that's brother starving. Damn, Apollo, he got my hand right. You better stop. Hey, Apollo, he learning. That's my man. That's my man. He on point.

Yeah, I've been learning. Hanging with McCann, man. He got me on my shit. Apollo is on it, but here's what's cracking in the arena today. So NBA 2K dropped their top ten ratings for the season. Should three-time MVP Nikola Jokic be disappointed with his number? Some players out there are disappointed for him. He probably don't care, but he should. Tom Brady thinks the Knicks have a finals appearance in their future, but have they

done enough this offseason to ensure their playoff run last year wasn't a fluke? And LeBron laid down the rules for what Bronny can and can't call him at work. How will Bron balance being a dad versus being a teammate? Before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by

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And if you can't watch the show live with us on YouTube, we've got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. As a reminder, we were scheduled to do our backyard boogie this Saturday. It has been canceled, but we're giving y'all shows all September. Your new favorite football show, Gills Arena, multidimensional. We're talking basketball, football with our theme panel of football experts as ordained by me. But we're gonna start the show with an interesting question that was asked on Twitter by the legend Toot the Barber. He said, y'all ever seen somebody you knew at the store and sat in the car until they left because you ain't feel like talking?

Hell yeah. I still do that. To this day. Hell yeah. Sometimes I see y'all on the streets and I just sit in the car. I still do that. To this day. Hell yeah. Sometimes I see y'all on the streets and I... Damn. Just sit in the car. I knew it.

Like, I see somebody I know, I be like, I hope they don't look over here. Mm. Mm-mm-mm. You don't know about earphones? Earphones? Yeah. Nah, I'ma sit in the car and wait. No, you just had the earphones in, man.

I don't hear nobody. And then as soon as you hear their name, as soon as they and wait. No, you just had the earphones in, man. I don't hear nobody. And then as soon as you hear their name, as soon as they be like, yo, you just start bumping and just, ba-ba-da-da. But then they gonna run up to you, yo, yo. Oh, ah, shit, I'm on a call. Even though I was just playing, I'm on a call, dude. I'm on a call, right?

I do that shit all the time. Shit be dangling, I be forgetting to put it in. I'm on a call. Okay, but you gonna still say, what's up, hey, I just wanted to say, what's up, how you doing? Yeah, but, yeah, I can't, whatever, if I owe you money or if you got something to talk about, I'm busy right now.

Let me, let me, let me... Hey, what's your number? And do all that. Let me hit you right after this. Mm. I see Josiah all the time. Like, he'll be coming, I'm like, aw, shit, and then I turn right.

Now I gotta go right all the way. Like, he'll be coming, I'm like, aw, shit, and then I turn right. Now I gotta go right all the way to come around him, cause I don't wanna honk the horn, do one of those. No offense. Gil, the joke's on you, cause I do the same thing. When you and Melly roll by on the jog, head down. I just seen y'all. I be wondering why your head

be down all the time. No acknowledgement for anybody in the neighborhood. I just seen you, man. Soon as I see his back, like, oh, shit, let me go ahead and rewound. I got the big back. I'm a lot more rude than that. I'll look you right in your face. Facts. He's dead ass serious.

I will look you right in your face and walk right past you. Dead ass serious. And walk right, and don't, and you can say, I know earphones know nothing. Yo, shy Hey, yo, hey, yo, he's not lying nigga nigga didn't once you try to touch You doing what you doing bro? I'm fucking too late that what y'all First month 24 off in this probably two months just walking by just

You know, you know, it was good or just no hell. Yeah You know, he was doing his show. He was yeah this audience and shit Just walk by And I want to run a nigga all buffish shit walk just just a unit with his water just Strongest you like I gotta wait till this nigga crack a smile or something. It was like literally like two months. It was easy. And he was in the gym.

And nigga shot some sense of, hey, man, how you doing, my man? Exactly how it happened. He was in the corner doing his thing. You had to get him out of that weight room, because that weight room was just all just. Yeah, I was trying to get some work, man. Like, I had to work. Rashad, you said Gil was at 24, putting on a show. Putting on a show. of that weight room because that weight room was just all just yeah i'll try to get some work man rachel you said give us that 20 minutes putting on the show we're putting on the show just be having conversations because i wasn't working out

i'm just here to get out of the house so what do you think about the game last night yeah yeah the whole audience i walked by something you good all right cool when did y'all finally break the ice and have like like, actual? Two months. Yeah. Like, the ball rolled over there. The ball rolled over here. Hey, man! What's up, dude?

Hey, fuck it. I ain't throwing it back. I'm going to walk it to you. What's up, man? Have a conversation. You ain't know. You ain't think about doing no podcast. Podcast, yeah.

And here we are. We are. Here we are. Eight, two months later. Two months, man. That sounds like some Libra shit. We'll sit there and just whatever. You're going to speak. Yeah, that's why I'm single.

I don't even look at you. I don't look at them at all. Hey, baby. Has anybody ever done that to y'all in public and made you feel some type of way, tried to play you off, act like they didn't see you? I like doing it.

I guess we do it when you told a girl you was going to call them back, but you didn't. And then you see them and you're like, oh, man. You don't do the mind trick? Why you ain't call me? Check on that. I do that. Oh, I changed my number. You pull that. I changed my number. You gotta flip the script on them. You supposed to, I was supposed to call you. My bad. See, they be working at these restaurants and Randy be like, let's go eat here.

I'm like, we can't go there. You can't go there no more? We can't go there. We can't go there no more. We can't go there. We can't go there. We can't go there no more because he got into it with somebody. Now our food coming out back. Yeah.

OK, good. That's good. I wouldn't eat that soup. No, no, no. I wouldn't eat that. I wouldn't eat that. See that smile on her face when she dropped that shit on? Uh-uh.

Mm. We definitely can't go to certain restaurants anymore because of him. Hopefully Applebee's is still. Applebee's is always going to be on the table. OK, just making sure. I know the owner. I know the owner.

That do be the funniest thing when you're with your girl, your new girl, and then you see like your work. You're working like the grocery store or something, walking, and you trying to pretend like you're so uh. Yeah, yeah. What's wrong? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Hey. Get that text. Do-do-do-do-do. Uh-huh. So you at the mall, huh? Uh-huh. So that's your girl, huh? No.

Yeah, I'm at the mall. How about you? Where you at? I'm at the mall. I just seen you. For real? Why you ain't say hi? Why you ain't say nothing?

She don't be tripping? Ugh. I don't be tripping. Wow, that's... See you as soon as you walked in, girl. Yeah, I'll see you as soon as you walked in. Yeah, going down. Yeah, go down quick. Ah. Like, damn.

So I'll be talking about shit. So, yeah, you, um... Some toys. Uh-huh. You like toys. Some random shit. Random as fuck. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving.

NBA 2K has been slowly rolling out their player ratings for the upcoming season. And earlier this week, they announced their top 10 overall ratings for NBA 2K25. We have that top 10 list for you right now. So, reigning MVP, look at us. See, we don't really, you know, we're going to be here all month. We got to really upgrade. We got to upgrade the technological crew morale at an all-time high. Reigning MVP Nikola Jokic took the top spot with a 97 overall rating.

Apparently his 97 was higher than Luka and Giannis, who both have 97s as well. They round out the top three. SGA and MB both received 96 ratings. LeBron, Raymond, James Sr., Steph, and Tatum are all 95s. And KD and AD round out the top 10 with 94 overall ratings. So Jokic had a 98 overall rating coming into last season and dropped one point this season. Jaron Jackson Jr. had this to say about Yoka's rating on 2K25.

Joker got three MVPs. Yeah. He had 97. I wish I had three MVPs. He gave me a 97. I would lowkey be mad. Bro, that ain't gonna happen. That's not the point, Gil.

That is not the point. No, I know that's not the point. I'm just, I was just thinking. Yeah, I shouldn't have did that. Straight dead. My bad. We support Jaron Jackson Jr. I shouldn't have said that.

Hey, he's, he's a good guy. He's a good guy. That is not the point. No, I know that's not the point. I'm just, I was just thinking. Yeah, I shouldn't have did that. Straight dead. My bad. We support Jared Jackson Jr. Hey, he likes to act in reality, so let's keep it real. Let's just keep it real. But if you were Joker, how would you feel about the 97 overall rating? You're a three-time MVP.

Personally, I wouldn't care because I'm the highest. I mean, 97, he's the highest. So I can say if somebody was in front of me and somebody was a 98, 96, but so if the algorithm now is 97 is the highest because of whatever their metrics is, as long as I'm number one, I'm number one.

Right? So there's like, I can get mad and say, well, I was a 98 last year. Maybe that was the algorithm last year of what it was. This year's 97. I'm number one. I'm number one. There's really nothing to complain about. I think he went down a point because he didn't win the championship.

So they deducted? Yeah, I think that's why he's not a 98. The Russian judge deducted a point. Uh-uh. Brandon, you be cool with it? Yeah, I'll be cool as long as I'm number one. Like, the only person that should be mad here is probably Embiid. Yeah.

He should be higher. You know what I mean? The injury should. I mean, yeah, but his game is a 97. Like, he should be, it should be the four 97s. Like, we shouldn't pretend that he was not the real MVP last year until he got hurt. So if he never got hurt, he would have been number one. Right? They would have been tied.

So you still give him his 97 because coming into the season, he's probably going to be the favorite to be MVP. Let's not pretend that either. We're not going to pretend he's not going to average fucking 33, 35. Thanks. Will he still average that with PG on this roster? He can't stop that either. Okay. We're not going to pretend he's not going to average fucking 33, 35. Okay. Will he still average that with PG on this roster? He can't stop that motherfucker.

In this new look six. You know what I mean? Or will he have to sacrifice some of his scoring for the good of people? I don't think he's got to sacrifice nothing. He's not getting buckets.

He can average 35. If he changes his game, it's going to be detriment to him. Yep. Like even if like last year he wasn't even in shape. It's too late to change his game.

If he gets in shape, he can average 35. Yeah. And give up the same amount that he was too late if he gets in shape he can average 35 Yeah, and give up the same amount that he can pass more and but he's in shape and he can run a little bit more Play get a little bit faster. He's still gonna have his 35 so Yeah, so we did our all-time player draft a few weeks ago Brandon Would you still draft Jokic over Steph if given the chance again? Yeah, I mean the way stuff playing right now God still draft Jokic over Steph if given the chance again? Yeah. I mean.

The way Steph playing right now. God damn. I would trade Will Darrell. I mean, I went off of him because he was the best player in the NBA. So that's why I went off of picking the best big. Good move. And obviously he's the best big in the game again. Yep.

You have respect for your opinions. It's nice to see. So can we get that top ten list back back up, please? All right, so looking at this list who you surprised did not see in the top 10 Jalen Brown yeah, I'm just about to say it Jalen Brown. I'm surprised I didn't You're crying those MVP finals in a pool Jamie Jalen Brown on I'm surprised I didn't see the finals. Easter Conference finals MVP, finals MVP. 94. Jalen Brown. I gave him Jalen Brown on 94. Talented musician.

I mean, he finals him. I mean, bro, he got to be in the top 10. You can't. I gave him a 92. Easter Conference MVP, finals MVP. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Jalen Brown currently 15th with a 92 overall rating. I like it. Sounds about right. Yes. That's awesome. 92? Yes. Cool. Cool. Cool. And he got room to go up. Then the brown currently 15th with a 92 overall like yes, that's us 92 cool Yes, cool. Cool. Any guy room to go up 93 my three like 93 to okay if Better than ad yeah, yeah, I must say he could be over ad for sure cap ad should be about now Are you giving him that because of the awards he got or the actual

game? His game is the way he got the awards. And he getting better. But he did. His performance is the way he got the awards. He's a two-way guy. He's not one-dimensional. He didn't lead his team in nothing. So let's not even just do that. So let's just go off. If he didn't win the awards, if they didn't say, all right, we don't

want to give it to Tatum. I mean, if we give it to the guy who was the best player on the team, is he still a 93? Being the second best player on your team, or him, himself, is he a 93? Without Tatum?

92. Is he the second best player on the team, though, is the question. I mean, I don't know why Tatum is a 95. I mean, he should be, why Tatum is a 95. I mean, he should be... KD should be over him. Facts. I'm just saying. I'm not mad at that.

I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that. And I think... I mean... I'm not mad at Tatum at 95. I mean, I'm not mad at... I think KD could have been a 95. Yeah, I think KD should be a 95.

That should be the tier level. Yup, it should be Bryan, Steph, KD. AD, get the fuck out of here. Jalen Brown, Jason Tatum. Yeah, Jalen Brown or Tatum. Nah, nah, we're not even... They're not even in the same realm of basketball. Like, let's not... I'm not going off of...

I'm not going off of stats. And I mean, all these awards that other people are doing it because they hate someone. He is not the number one option on his team. He sits in a corner. They double Tatum pass, pass it, go through Judah, go him and get him. And then he gets to go. That's his game. He does not get doubled. He does not demand a double, right? The double goes to Tatum, and he gets the extra stuff, that stuff over. That's his game. That's fine. But don't put him in.

He's not in this realm yet. Right? He's not in this realm. But he's in 92. Like Tatum, Tatum AD. Tell me what corner nigga is in 92. 15th overall ranked player, 92. That don't make no sense.

You just saying he's a corner nigga. So Jalen Brunson is 93. He's 13th overall. The chat's saying that Brunson should be in the top 10 based on his performance last season. So then Jalen Brown should be... What the fuck? Let's just be honest. And Jalen Brown

ain't never going to be no corner nigga. Okay, let's try it like this. Is Brunson and Brown on the same level as a basketball player in the NBA? try like this. That's a fact. He's not. Is Brunson and Brown on the same level as a basketball player in the NBA? Who is more dominant as a basketball player? One has the

ball more than the other. Okay, so who is more dominant as a basketball player? One has the ball more than the other. Who's more dominant though? One who has the ball the most. Okay, so one is not... But are they even in the same...

Are they in the same tier? Yes. Jalen Brown and Brunson are in the same tier. Yes. If Brown has the ball just as much as Brunson, his production goes up. The impact... If you gave Brown the ball and said,

you take over, he's going to be doing the same thing as Brunson? Yeah. Remember, he's going to get doubled for the first time. He can't even dribble like that. What does that have to do? Get off the ball. That's the whole point of a double team.

Get off the ball. Get it back. Is Jalen Brown better than Booker? At this point right now, is Jalen Brown better than Booker? Yes. Because he plays defense. I'm taking Brown better than Booker? Yes. Because he plays defense. I'm taking more of a Devin Booker. So Ant, Devin Booker, Brunson, all 93

overall ratings. I like that. Ant, Booker, and Brunson, all 93 overall ratings. Ant's 11th. Booker's 12th. Brunson's 13th. Booker and Brunson are all 93s. Just outside the top 10. Jalen Brown 92. Jalen Brown 92. Jalen Brown is better 92 Jalen Brown is better

And LeBron is better than Devin Booker So I'm yeah Brandi said Jalen Brown is better than Devin Booker. Yeah. Yeah I'm taking Jalen Brown and he'll guarding and he can't go he'll guard book book can guard him. Where you say he'll guard Book, but Book can't guard him? He'll guard Book and Book can't guard him. They put Luka on him. Luka. On who? Brown.

Like I gotta put Luka, you stick Brown. Cause you can't put Kyrie on him. I put my worst defender on the guys, you guys that says the best player. Okay, that's okay. They won what, 94 91 for one right Boston okay well then that's on them that's on you dummies stupid-ass idiot stupid-ass wait they said who down Jalen Brown got you got four one you

didn't shut shit down. 4-1. I didn't shut him down. What? Got finals MVP. Bro, how are we taking that away from him, man? We can't take... We're going to put Luke on Jalen, and we're going, what? I don't care about the award itself. Did the numbers match? If we take off the names... Okay.

Listen. 80 at 94? Rolling? Not rolling? What? 80 at 94? Rolling? Not rolling? What? 80 at 94? I don't know. 91.

Who? AD. 91? 91. That's still good, bro. Nah. I don't know why Ant-Man ain't... I don't know why Ant-Man...

Like, I don't mind... Okay, so if I had to put one more 96... See, I don't... Embiid is not a 96. I'll be honest with you. I'll take Steph and Bron out. Put them where? And put Ant up in there and put some of them young in. Last year product.

Nah, you just can't, you can't just get it. How far down? It has to be on your product. No, no, no. What I'm saying is, I'm saying is Jokic should be a 98. Like, um. But no, let's just go off of. It needs to be a 98 product. No, no, no. What I'm saying is, I'm saying is, Jokic should be a 98. Like, Embiid should be a 98. And then, like, somebody 95. But that's what I'm saying.

Let's just go off of the metric, because we don't know the metrics of why these guys aren't 98. So we can only go off of 97. So off of last year, Embiid has to be a 98. I mean, 97. Yeah.

So I'll say these four. I'll have... I kind of have Embiid as the... I have him in front of Giannis. I have him in front of Luka. The two best bigs. They've been the two... Yeah, I know, bro.

They've been the two. Yeah, Luka's fucking numbers was crazy, too. I don't mind him two or three. I wouldn't complain at two or three for Embiid. I'll have him in front of Giannis, but I'll have them for 97. What's the difference between SGA and Ant-Man right now? That's what I'm saying. I'm putting Ant-Man before SGA.

The SGA. 35 and 5? SGA, yeah. We're not talking about stats, remember? But 96. We're not talking. That's remember? But 96. We're not talking. But I have... That's the metric that we'll go to.

I'll have... I don't mind having... Do you mind having Ant-Man at... Damn, what is Ant-Man? 93? I don't have... 93, he finished 11th. Having him at 96?

96, 95, yeah. The 96... 95. So, like, if we had to put 96, it's... Ant-Man and... Ant-Man and Shay? Yeah. KD's in 96 already. 80's in 96.

KD's in 96. He should be in the 96. He's in the 96. OK. Because he's still putting up the numbers with Booker and, like, I mean, it's... So how do you keep Bron out of there? You can't even move Bron out.

Because he's still functioning at a high level athletically. So Bron and Steph could be eight towards the tail end. Ninety-fours. Bron, Steph. We're still in the top ten. No, that can all be 95s. All of them at the bottom? That can all be 95s. All of them at the bottom?

That can all be 95s. Who are we missing? I'll give you 11 through 20. Ant, D. Book, Brunson, Donovan Mitchell, Jalen Brown. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What the fast forward? Are you selling cars? Are you selling vehicles? Let us process. Because you know when you first start, not listening to you so you gonna have to I'm aware

Very aware Don't listen to shit I said, you know what I'll do I'll do I'll do SGA to 96. Okay. Would you like 11 through 20? Okay, go 11. Go 11. Ant Edwards, number 11. At 93? 93. Okay. Devin Booker at 12 with a 93.

Jalen Brunson, 13 with a 93. They shouldn't... That's not the same three. Donovan Mitchell. That's not the same three. Donovan at 93 too? 14, 92. Okay, Donovan Mitchell not the same three Donovan at 93 to 14 92 okay down Jalen Brown 15 92 Kyrie Irving 16 92 I read 92 Kawhi Leonard

17th with a 92 and hold on hold on so they have two Okay, so I really got James and I reads not oh, he's not a full 90. He's not a full second option. Because I'm looking at, like, some of these are number two options. I think Kyrie got his based on performance in the playoff. No, he did all right last year. No, he was killing last year. No, he was, but he's still like a 90. He had a great year last year.

Nah, I don't know if he's a 90. Kyrie ain't been playing at a 94, 93 level. But him and Donovan Mitchell are not even on the same level. He did at the playoffs. You have him on the same level as Donovan Mitchell? He should be...

He should be what? 26, 5, and 5. For the season? Yeah. Yeah, he was hooping. I know, that's... He was hooping. That's Brunson's.

Yeah, he should be 93 up there then. With Brunson? With Brunson. 26, 5, and 5. 50% from the field. 41% from the field. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's 90.

But he... 91% from the field. But he has... And he has Luke in front of him. I mean, come on. If he was by himself, he's from the field. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's 90. 91% from the field. But he has Luke in front of him. I mean, come on, if he was by himself, he's a 90 fucking fold. He could be a 94, 95, with Luke being a 97. That's my fault. Keep going. I will proceed.

I was just expecting a 94. So we stopped at Kyrie. We stopped at Kawhi. 18th is Victor Wamba Wamba. He got a 91. Okay, he went up two points. Tyler Burton is 19th with a 90. And John Morant rounds out the top 20 with a 90 as well.

Where's Sabonis? Oof. 80, probably 89, 88. Let's see. Sabonis is 29th with an 88 overall. Roger, that sounds about right. They got Ja with a what? 90.

90. What was he last year? See, Ja, see, that's the thing. Ja is sitting in that 93 to 94. Yep. He's sitting in the 93-94. Yeah, that mean that Dame and all the rest of them is 80s. 92? That's what I'm saying.

Yeah, see, that's the... Dame, 89. Jimmy Butler, 89. Paolo Banchero, 89. PG. PG's at 89. Trey Young's at 89. Maxie's at 89. Bam Adebayo's at 88. De'Aaron Fox at 88. Sabonis in 88. And Zion, 30th with an 88 as well.

Yeah, they get nasty down there. They're not getting picked up at all. The 88 is rough, but I think Ja could be a little bit higher. They ain't getting picked up. I think not yet, though. Ja can't be higher yet. Don't they update during the season? That's the new technology. They update during the season. That's what I'm thinking.

Where it is now is preseason, where we think you should be, and then they're going to catapult. If they would have put Wimby in 94, would we have been mad? Nope. No? Wouldn't have been an argument. I don't think that would have been an argument. So we asked the chat, did 2K25 get the top 10 player ratings right? 53% said no.

47% said yes who would be who would they would have put in as a who do who would we have as a top 10 that's not in there well we said we said brunson and okay and and is probably the only one right that yeah that fits at this standard i don't know if we keep in Tatum as a player is he is he is he really better than ad as a whole unit no right as what is ad bring to the table the defense aside blocks rebounds steals defense or in right you know say steals and when you say scoring, at what level? He averaged about 26.

Is it post-isos? Is it pick and pops? We do be bad. I mean, we don't give him enough credit. Anthony Davis averaged 25-13, four assists, played 76 games. How many blocks? Like two blocks? Blocks, he averaged 2.3 blocks, 1.2 steals.

Yeah. So 3.5 blocks. This reminds me of my new top five. You have a new top five? I got six people in the top five. OK. Shut up. Who are the six people in your top five?

So my original top five, MJ, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, and Magic. And then I added Steph. Okay. To my top five. Yeah, I don't know who to push out. So you have to give me some time. Somebody's going to have to fuck up. Somebody's going to have to say something stupid in the meeting.

And give me a reason. But right now I got six people in my top five, right? So that's just like this. I got 11 people and men in my top 10. Don't ask me how it works. Steph Curry, was that from the Olympic performance? Yeah, that Olympic performance. That Olympic performance kind of did it for me the reason is this as a Hooper there's moments in history and

moments and times in your game where you have to when the light is on you you shine and that was it right all the things he's ever done for like some of him championships right they were just better than everybody he sat down for most of his career where he didn't have to play in the fourth quarter because they just dominated right some of those finals mvp he didn't he didn't click on how he wanted to click on um even though he dominated games but when it came to big moments he didn't have a jordan moment where you know the jordan with the steel on carl malone and he hit he didn't have a Jordan moment where, you know, the Jordan with the steel on Karl Malone and he hit the...

He didn't have those moments in his career where we got to look at Steph in like a finals moment where we say, this is your iconic moment. When it came here, right, he did it. And I'm like, he finally got his moment And what about him saying ring me in the third quarter in the third quarter? I'm just saying I'm winning this ring in the third quarter That's what I'm saying it wasn't like, you know when you yeah, I know just like Jordan's moment You know when Kobe we can we know what Kobe. The lob, Shaq had to sit in Magic Johnson with that rookie season and all that stuff.

Like everyone has their moments that really stamps them. He had all this greatness but never had a true moment where we look back and say, oh, he did that thing. That performance where... For his country. You know what I mean? It was like he hit a shot, they hit a shot was like, he hit a shot, they hit a shot. He came, hit a shot, they missed a shot.

This nigga came with another dagger. It was like, that is Steph's moment right here. You know what's crazy? We're talking about top fives right now, and you just talked about yours, right? So I had to change mine. You had to change yours? Yeah.

And with changing mine, I found this guy. His name is Justin Sims. He creates like AI videos with the images of whoever we want. So I told him I wanted to do a top five on Mount Rushmore, but I wanted all the guys that I picked on top of a mountain.

Mm-hmm. And they're like, they're images, right? So I got Kobe, Jordan, Iverson, Shaq, and Bron. Oh, God. He just sent me an image of what the Bron one looks like. It looks like the goat of those. He's got a lion on the mountain and Bron standing behind it, looking over the audience.

He just made it look good. It was crazy. And you know what? And this just goes that I remember Somebody was arguing and it was like you flip-flopped too much And I said because the game is moved people are still racing Right. You just people are still racing the race so whatever my five was and someone is

76 they're still racing to get to five four like i i can't just say no this is my top five is stuck forever no they're still racing katie is still racing his race curry is still racing his race right luca all these guys are still racing so i gotta be flexible and adjust okay You've pointed this out. So top 75 list, the top 50 were already just grandfathered in. But do you think as these lists go, we get to top 100, some of these guys should be pushed out the paint? That's just... It's unfortunate.

It's unfortunate. I know we're stuck with who we love, but our love doesn't change a list, right? Penny Hardaway is my favorite. There was for a long time where I... Penny Hardaway, it was like Penny Hardaway was part of my top five.

Then I said, I can't keep doing that to Matt Johnson. I can't keep doing that to Magic Johnson. So I gotta remove Penny and then put Magic in his right spot so we you know even though we still have our our die-hard favors we still got to put people in their real history that's like me leaving brown out of the top five right it's like when you look at Larry you look at all the people as you didn't

you got before right I got a respect okay I don't like his game. Mm-hmm But I was pecking so why is he in your top five then because I respect this game Well, he's done for the game How he plays the game just I don't like the style If I don't like somebody style they couldn't be in my top pot. So Brandon who is your top? Yeah, we got shot. Huh? Who's your top five my top five would have to be Well, let's go Shaq, Kobe, Braun, Shaq, Kobe, Braun, Steph, KD. This nigga left Michael Jordan out of the top five. I was seven years old when he won his last championship.

So what you want me to say? See, that makes you. So what you want me to say? out of the top five. I was seven years old when he won his last championship. So what you want me to say? See that make... So what you want me to say? I watch him. You know what? I respect the top five. You like Bron style game? Yeah, I like everything about Bron. Yeah.

I like everybody in the top five I know, I like everything about him. You know what's so funny? You said something and I have the same logic, right? I was seven. He's seven years old when MJ finished. Right? When MJ hit the shot, yeah, I was eight. He was eight years old.

So what is his memory of MJ? What other people say? Right? He can't physically, and he didn't watch the man be great, so he don't have that in his bank. Right? You're only really going off of what you're seeing so technically anybody over 45 if you really never seen magic and bird and all these

guys them in your top five just seems ridiculous because your argument is not physical you didn't look you're just going off as fast as what somebody else is where everybody's people are being lazy you know why there's no excuse for you not to pull up on YouTube. Yeah, Michael Jordan. Yeah 1996 but that's this game. Yes Watch it. I know I know I can still go watch Michael Jordan. It's not gonna feel the same to me Why just be like what I will it's not it's not gonna be like wow, that's what's up I've watched I watched the 55 with I watched the nickel game I'm like, you know, let me go ahead watch the nickel game, right?

And I'm sitting here and it became It put like this me watching it today with all the moves I done seen over history and you go back and go back to looking at 95 moves, dog, it becomes like, this is who you was playing against, and that's what ends up happening. I seen Derek Harper try to do a crossover, and the crossover, it wasn't the head dribble.

It was, uh, and then he tried to do a spin and fail. I'm like, oh, my God, on a one-four flat. I'm like, oh, my Lord, y'all, this is crazy. I'm going to be honest. No, this shit is not good to watch. Like, it's not really good. If I'm sitting there watching the 90s, it's not good. You're a purist, and you're a student of the game. You go back to watch it to see, oh, shit, that's how that shit started.

That's where Kobe got his shit from. That's how that shot is. That's where Kobe got his shit from. That's how that shot is done. It's ugly. It may not be enticing, but this is the formula from the fundamentals. You go back and watch that double nickel, you're like, eh, Mike wasn't shooting no threes. He was going straight to the... Just one dribble pull up. All that and a pull up.

And you know what I started watching? The defense. Okay. Right? And I was like, all right. So, you know me, I watch it for details. I was like, let me see how good

he was on defense. Right? And I'm like, there was no way he would have had, there was no way in hell he would have been able to guard a Clay Thompson

at the two. Now, he would have switched to either somebody else. No, no, no. He got hit by, like, he must have been a great on-ball defender because off the ball, he got hit by every down screen, every pick.

He lost his man. So, defensively, what he was, was he was like Drew Holiday off the ball. He was a net guy. He was like LeBron. That's how LeBron. He was a net guy. He's coming for the steals. He's double back it.

He's not guarding his man. Like, John Starks got every open shot. The motherfucker just couldnBron. Right, he was a net guy. He's coming for the steals. He's double back it. He's not guarding his man. Like, John Starks got every open shot. The motherfucker just couldn't shoot like that. And he never put Mike on Reggie. So he was never, yeah, because Reggie moved too much for him. So he was the guy that you drive and he's netting you up. So he was like the safety net for everyone, right? That was his real defense.

And then if you, and he got to bully you for the most part, right? So you really have to watch it in the context of how they played the game. See, when you have your updated version and you're going back playing level one of Mario, but you got all the motherfucking moves, it becomes boring to you. So you have to take away everything you know just to watch the game to its purest. That's hard hard to do i go back to what he taught me defensively cut the cut the court off three ways when you guard the guy on the sideline cut make him go baseline you

guard the guy up top you make him go sideline to sideline so when i'm watching him play defense he said i could take breaks because i knew how to cut the court on him Three different ways so I didn't have to depend on my athleticism because I knew I had help over here Help over here help baseline So I've just forced niggas into the pack and that's how he played and you go back and watch you like Mike made all Defensive teams because he was smarter than the other guys He didn't have to do as much. But back, it doesn't say, even back then,

you know, it's, then the game was the game, right? So here, right? NBA is just like this right here, right? Last year, there was 98s. This year's 97. He's still the number one in 97. So if next year comes out and someone's 99 right you're not necessarily better than jokic just the algorithms we're not saying

grain on a curve we're not saying today's game these players are better than them right like we can't tell you who's better because the game is different right but we do know this they're moving at a different speed and rate here so if you was a 99 in the in the 80s you're 99 but 99 in the 90s is different than the 99 in the 80s the 99 in the 2000s is different than the 80s so these 97s is back then's 99 but they're all moving at a different frequency right so it's it's you know my car my car governs now like if you go back to your escalate nigga trying to get 110 out of your Escalade, whoo, nigga, starts shaking on the freeway. 110, nigga, that's Hondas now.

I had a Honda Accord, yo. And what were you going, about 675, 855? If you go downhill on that 405 at the right, you can get about 120. About 120. But your average car goes at 150 normally, right? So the speed limit has changed. The governor has changed. But we're not saying it's fast.

It is faster because it's allowed to be faster. It's allowed. These kids are moving at a different rate. They have more moves. We're not saying they're better than you. They just have more skill. They can do more. Let's distinguish right now the difference between...

Skill and talent? Talent and skill. I got it right here. You know what I'm saying? Let's distinguish. Uh-oh. Gil's ready. That's important.

So talent is natural athletic abilities like speed, agility, coordination. Hold on. Let's get this shit right. All right. All right. All right. You got to put it back so our viewers at home can see. What we doing? What we doing? Professor Shad.

Put it right there. There's a camera. There's a camera. Professor Shad is on the whiteboard. Okay. All right, Gil, go ahead. So, natural talent is athletic ability, speed, agility, coordination. Attributes.

So, for example, talent is naturally fast sprinter. He's just naturally fast. You got some good handwriting. You're all right. Yeah, you did. Go ahead and teach a course. Skill is learned through practice so shooting

Swinging a golf club stay with talent first, okay Talent speed jumping strength. Yeah, just natural strength natural strength What I like so I hand coordination something that just you just automatically got there We'll just we'll just go with these two got through birth. These are attributes. Yeah, you look back at NBA 2k Right, yeah, yeah, this is the attribute section. Yeah, all right Oh, they had nothing to do as the views have everything to do when you don't have the ball Yeah, which are just naturally gifted it you walk on the court 46 in town.

You got Michael Jordan. You got it from your family. In the 90s, Michael Jordan walked on the floor. He's automatically more talented. Or in the 80s. Than everybody. Yes. Sorry, so what's the skills?

Skill is a learned skill. So like learning how to shoot. So we go offense first, offense. So learning how to shoot So I'll go offense first offense. So learning how to shoot dribble Shooting dribbling passing rebound and put it in there. Yeah, that is a skill rebound. Yeah Dribbling Something you can teach Rebound moving without the ball. Yeah, so anything that's teachable is a skill defense Mm-hmm Rebound. Moving without the ball. Yeah, so anything that's teachable is a skill. Defense.

Mm-hmm. You say block shots? Yep. Defensive skills. Deflections? Deflections. That's just anything that's just the totality of defense because it's just so what IQ be a skill no You can look I mean you can learn craft being crafty. You can learn and boxing out isn't skill

Yeah, that's all skills timing as all skills right like an IQ someone with a high IQ He was born with it. You can teach yourself up to a certain point, but you can never be him taking charges Yeah, but if I you can never be like who's the smartest person on the world? But let's say somebody like Joker right who may not have the speed athleticism all that But I lost skill but has a high basketball IQ when that comes with skills Okay, I'm saying so you would put that in the skill category. So as far as the talent and your attributes This is the Bugatti section for Michael Jordan

when he was making your reference. And so the skill set side was my reference of guys like Rex Chapman, Clyde Drexler, Kevin Johnson, guys who didn't have

the talent, but they had the skills to survive. These were Hondas. These all Hondas, niggas. So my question is... It goes back to when everyone thought I made the mistake with Steph,

and I said, you guys got taught wrong because you guys were taught by somebody else, and I said, Steph is a generational change, generational player. He Steph is a generational change generational player mm-hmm he's not a generational talent ah see everybody thought I said you you guys let the media media just throws out stuff because they're just they're just throwing everybody in the same category generational talent is the dude you

can't you're born like yeah like the way we can't teach Wimby's, the Shaquille O'Neal, that's, they were born with that. We both agree with that. Steph is not a generational player. The player is when he perfects these skills and becomes. Three point shooting is a perfected skill. Yeah, so my question to y'all is,

all the, right now, since COVID, since 2020, what are the skilled players and what are the talented players in the nba today and this is without the all nba guys let's get rid of the guys we know have talent and skill combined so so now now we have to throw in okay now you have raw talent right so when someone talks about a sprinter right someone who's just naturally fast right now someone who's perfecting from the starting block their technique to try to keep up with this naturally fast dude right yes you have to perfect everything to keep up with someone who just walk out there who can just walk out there and the people who can just walk out there and they perfect the technique they're the goats right so jordan is the bugatti who perfected yes a skill yes so

he becomes skill for two right right that's a different type of Bugatti. Same thing with Serena Williams. You're the Bugatti who becomes skillful. Someone like Tiger Woods becomes skillful. Wrong. Who? Tyson. See, no, Tyson was wrong. Okay, before Tyson fell off, yes. He was naturally talented.

Natural talent and got skillful. Mayweather. Mayweather. Mayweather, no. Mayweather's more than skillful. Mayweather. Mayweather. No, Mayweather's more skillful. Yeah, he was taught all of the skills. I think the point is like a 5'8 dude, no matter how much they work on their postgame moves,

will never be a dominant center. Remember, I used to say they can have the greatest postgame ever. And this was skills. Brady skills because you didn't draft you didn't you didn't you didn't draft him because he was right he had some shit you could have got the bugattis will be the cam newton's the yes um michael vicks the michael vicks lamar jackson right and mahomes now this is my this was the whole thing with the yannis when people thought i fucked up on the yannis take i said yannis is in the natural talent ability now if you learned how to be skillful like the Jokic and the Embiid and the Duncan, who the fuck will he be?

Those are the GOATs, the guys who are so raw, and then they understand that, yo, I need to be mindful. I need to add to this. And I need to add to this. The things that Blake Griffin missed out on. Yes. Giannis, raw talent, but would you say his career? He's built that skill set. I'm just saying like where's you can't pinpoint with skill set He's a good what does he got better at that he mastered

I'm saying footer being able to go coast to coast and get to the man. He already had that natural ability. He came in with that You know I mean getting better so been getting better. Ball handling. So the question is, DeWayne Wade, right? We can pinpoint when this athletic guy started working on his individual skill. Came back with the bang, came back with the pump. He started adding these little things that helped him get better. He didn't just use all raw athleticism. And that's why some of these guys, they sit here peak,

and then they have this hard fall, right? Because they didn't perfect the little things that keep them above. Like when Jordan started. Russell Westbrook. What? Russell? What? He didn't hone in on skills.

Like he started. That he could lean on after the athleticism started to dwell. I remember. Like. Yeah, what happened to his athleticism? Like, it just went away once. No, he just, we just... No, but remember, right, he was, then it just went away.

Remember, no, before, remember, everybody's going to meet him at the rim, then he came up with the fast pull-up. Boom, he started hitting that. Yeah. And then all of a sudden, he stopped doing that. Now everybody's like, we're just going to meet you in the rim, shoot.

Yeah. Like, if you think about what he's lacking now is the shooting ability. Just come off the pick and roll hit that he came into The league they doing that college his median and early on in his MBA career many was nice It was it was one question. So the question right now this league who are the talented players? Remember just naturally talented actually talent, but we're not talking about the all NBA or the all-star who told me all the utility guys Just like all read Shepherd read Shepherd skills The God of the young kid that was playing overall pick the wrong early. He was with Kentucky

He just got drafted don't connect really he don't connect skills. He got skill set Well, I'm doing something you look at Jalen Green, talent. Cam Whitmore, talent. All of Houston. All of Houston. Talent besides Sangoon. Sangoon is a skills guy. So the question is like how for us we can segment and say alright these guys got skills. They gonna survive on skills. They survive. These guys need to add skills to take them to the next level of superstardom. It's like we can pinpoint that. Who are they? Who needs it? But that's what Joc... What does Joc need? Skills? Yeah. What does he need to improve on? He's skillful. He is. He's skillful. He just

needs to... Jump shot? Just turn it over more just distant jumper jumper Just like like getting a shot off different way to becoming getting in there and just he got a great floater He said I said up like loader. Great. He got nice floaty guy know how to pick and roll Yeah, he knows just just easy like I guess when guess when you start, like, the talented guy, once they start making the game easier, right, one, two, pull up, right? You just, you don't need to search so hard for your points. Right.

Because you done crafted. Like, Michael Jordan, when you think about his skill set, what did it become? One, two, pull up. Yep. Like, I don't need to do all this. Fuck it. I can just back you up, shot.

Right? T-Mac come down. Hesi. Hang, Hesi. Right? So I guess once a guy realizes that the game is so easy and it becomes easier, and he's not sitting there trying to open up this euphoria, this Pandora box of moves.

Being more efficient, I guess. It's more efficient. You say Blake Griffin, Blake early on in his career, would dunk on dudes, but that only lasts for so long because you're taking that contact, you're getting injured,

now I need to get this jumping right. That's what I didn't want Giannis to fall into, the Blake Griffin, Amari Stoudemire. You're supposed to be the upgraded version of this in a sense of see where they fail and say, oh, let me go ahead and let me go sit and work with Jokic for a while. Same with DeAndre Jordan.

DeAndre Jordan, if he would've accumulated some post moves, we would be able to use him more now. Fritos, too. Right? And Fritos, he's not utilized now. He's still playing in the league, and he's such a dominating force that we don't know where you would dominate at. And that's what people didn't understand about Shaquille.

Shaquille was talent and actually has skill. Yeah. Remember, he was the biggest dude in the league, and he didn't sit there and just try to push through everybody. He had spin move, tornado spin. he had all of that. Yeah, thanks So where would you put Bron in the category? I say tons of natural on Talent is skill but develop skill and learn how to be skillful like he you know what Bron did a great job at remember I We I scouted him the most because we played him three straight playoffs.

Bron stayed away from his weaknesses. So when you watch how Bron played the game, he was smart enough not to do stuff he didn't know how to do, right? He didn't do a lot of posting up early because that's not what he was good at, right? Playing back to the basket, he became weaker in a sense. Like, he was easier to guard.

He didn't do a lot of isolation. No one-two dribbles. You know, back, you remember when we came in 2001, you know, Melo was, oh, yo, watch out. He didn't have the foot speed that get off and go. His shot is a delayed shot. Yeah, so he didn't play the natural three position because the ball, he didn't catch the ball on the wing and say.

So he always played at the point. So he's already in motion. Going down. Because his first two steps wasn't, it wasn't lightning quick like a great one-on-one player. Right. So he had to build up his steam so he stayed out of these positions in this negative basketball realm and stayed in the positivity so you didn't like even this you see he don't do it on the right side right that shit

stays here to here right so he was came into the league too with a specific skill set which was the passing that was the one skill set with the talent that gave him the you're a phenom because you pass like magic johnson you jump like fucking sean kemp in them and it's like you're 6'8", 240. Bro, that's talent mixed with a skill. Now they're looking at like, imagine if he starts shooting it like this. Imagine if he gets the Kobe footwork. Imagine if he gets the one-two dribble pull-up. So even now, at 40, he doesn't really need the skills as much as he's still relying on his talent. His talent is getting the most of it. he's still relying on his talent.

His talent is getting more. He's still relying on his talent. His talent is still high. Yeah. Earlier in the show, you mentioned you had the AI image of Ron on the Mount Rushmore. Yeah, yeah. We got that photo. Man, that shit fire.

Okay. So it's going to be a video. Hey, that's hard. It's going to be a video. So it's going to be moving, and it's going to have the top five. So this is one of the things that everybody, I've been seeing all these videos. Yeah. It's gonna be a video, so it's gonna be moving and it's gonna have the top five. Oh, so these are the things that everybody's like, I'm seeing all these videos. Who's your top five again?

The top five is Kobe, Mike, A.I., Shaq, and Brian. So everybody will have their own little image moving and shit. So you're just like the rest of us then. You're going off the five that you've seen with your own eyes. Yeah. And people, like, they hate that we do that. It was Dr. J that did it and then put Mike in his top five, and they was trying to kill him.

Who? Dr. J. Dr. J didn't have it. Because he didn't come up looking at Michael. He didn't even use it. Dr. J is a hater, bro. No, but no. He's a hater, bro. He's a hater, bro.

He was a hater. He was hating on Mike, though. But they're going to say, like, you just didn't have top five. You just didn't have it. You just didn't have. But he saw Mike. So what? You can't sit up there and say his old ass saw Mike. No, he didn't.

Yes, he was. He was sitting on the sideline watching Mike do all that. You saw Mike. And now Mike ain't in the top five. What year did Dr. J play? Talking about Will. Dr. J? What year did Dr. J play, bro?

Huh? What year did Dr. J play? Like in the 70s, right? Okay. He's putting his top five with people he came up watching. Yeah, he came. He saw Michael Jordan play. He saw Michael Jordan play. He saw Michael Jordan play.

71 to 87, so... He mad because Mike came down and told his... Started his career at APA. Cut that shit. Cut that fro. Hey, and you know what the funny part is? The fro of inspiration. Oh, you got to think about it. When Dr. J came, Dr. J averaged 30, 20, 27, 30, 32,

and, you know, he's like, this is all black. We didn't have white people to pick on. J came. Dr. J averaged 30, 20, 27, 30, 32. And, you know, he's like, this is all black. We didn't have white people to pick on. Facts. Man, he started naming some. He started naming some. Well, why? What's his name? He got more rings.

Talking about somebody playing for Bill Russell. This is why I say. He got seven rings. Robert Orioles. But this is what I'm saying. When you listen, see, everybody that's announcing, have you noticed they only talk about what 80s basketball because that's when tv came that's when they just really had black and white i got to see a human being run and jump right so that's the very first visual is the 80s if you listen to all the 70s players

They sound like the 80s the 90s sound y'all are weak The 70s think 80s is weak How does they think the 80s was solved like I was allowed to punch her in your mouth and it was just a take the Ball out now y'all get now y'all get fine $10,000 y'all we as hell If you listen to the 70s, the 80s is weak. Y'all saw. I was allowed to clothesline you, body slam you. We have no TV. Remember Jackie Moon there?

I was allowed to. Time out. Nigga, let's fight. Let's fight. There was no TV, dog. Hey, go to commercial. We're about to fight. It was the 70s.

Yo, the 80s is weak. Y'all had like rules and stuff. The 60s, don't let me let the 60s talk. What did your dad say? Shit, my teammate, you know, we had a teammate who used to pull a gun on his roommate. Hey, you said the word, nigga. Did you say the word?

Right? He told the story. He said the teammate pulled the gun on another teammate while he was sleeping. This is it. You said it. You don't like black people. Reggie Hart back in the day, like, you know, living legend. Rest in peace.

Yeah, just, hey, hey, hey. Wake up. Wake up. Wake up. That was that era. So that's just that every era thinks the next era before them is solved. Yeah, I mean, anything before 96, I don't care. You don't care? But it makes sense. I. Yeah, I mean, anything before 96, I don't care. You don't care?

But it makes sense. I mean, it makes sense. Anything before 96, I don't care. You sound like Ant-Man. You sound like Ant-Man. But it makes sense. You can only watch. What do you mean it's cooked?

You can only enjoy. I'm sitting here talking about the 70s. You have no respect. The 70s. You have no respect for your elders. Where you think you got this shit from? Huh? Huh?

Where I got it from? Huh? You can hear. got this shit from huh, huh? Well, I got a home you get high you get here my talent came from God like Think I'm telling you got shit to do with the 70s 80s think about the order 95 Who you think was voting for? Top 50 were already and so it was 25 spots 25 spots The mold dudes is coming in there knowing damn what ain't watch TV since the era After Park died in the 90s. No league pass. Right?

You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. But think about it. People who Pac. They grew up on Pac. You tell them, oh, these new dudes. This is Pac. He ain't got no flow.

He ain't got. It's everything. We do. Everybody does it in every genre of life. You got to have respect, man. Got to respect. We sound like our granddaddy, man. Back in my day.

We have respect. No, you won't respect. No, no. We have respect. You want respect? No. We have respect. No, you won't respect. No, no, we have respect. Don't you want these young men out here now to respect your hair? I'm not looking for them to respect me. We respect BJ because he laid it down. You know what I'm saying? He had 50. You know what I'm saying? They respect that. Okay. Same way we should respect the motherfuckers before us. No, they're showing it. No, it's not the... We all are doing it. What we're doing is this. Remember,

the new generation, they don't throw disrespect on no one until we throw the disrespect on their game. Mm-hmm. The 2000s,

we didn't say no. We're just playing our game. Then you got the old dudes like, why is he making all? That much why is doing this now? I gotta defend myself I'm so sorry. Yes about a man shit didn't happen like that. Everybody's like this It's not about just it's about everything that's like he said what's been said about about this area

We the older generation real no no why cuz we watching it in real time What do you you being soft as fuck? Who said they saw me saying fucking era was yeah cuz we know what's up? That's what was fucking soft your air is a B sack coming down to you niggas every day We get mad at do we get mad at you for foul baiting? We get mad at him for foul baiting? We get mad at him for foul baiting? Do we get mad at these niggas being soft and complaining about, oh, man, that's a foul, all this. You got flagrant ones and flagrant twos, and you complaining about you.

But that's soft shit. Listen to how you sound. Now, go to every era. They're saying the same thing. They're not. We're going to be saying, this generation that's crying right now, 2030, they're going to be saying, man, these motherfuckers, stop. It was trash as hell.

It was trash as hell. You go like this, that's a technical foul. Y'all really going with this? This is what I'll say. In our era when it was you, Cole, certain guys that was getting fouls, right? Mm-hmm. We had to complain about y'all getting those fouls. The whole league wasn't getting those fouls.

We had to fight through certain shit. We knew that if we played Gilbert, he was going to get the whole league wasn't getting those fouls. We had to fight through search it We knew that we played you but he gonna get the whistle, but we know we play Holy no, no, they give the look the whistle everybody Can't touch nobody can't go. No, it can't do not only the super It was only the superstar same thing in a only the superstar like I got all the fouls Until I had to play somebody else about this thing, you know, I found they didn't call it What he do did he stop right there and be like yours about you know what he did He ran his ass back on defense and he got he would contest it

He's like man, I gotta run back on defense now a nigga Brian Luca and B to get that he don't get the call, they lay on the floor. That's coach's problem. Until the motherfucker come all the way back and give me the ball. Lay up. That's like, yo, that's some shit. That's coaching. I'm just saying.

If you sub his ass out as soon as you do it, get out. I guarantee you next time he won't do it. That ain't on the player. There ain't no accountability on the player. Behind the hump for a foul. You don't get the foul. You don't get your ass up. You don't run back on defense.

You got four on five. That's the coach. Bad habits, dog. That's the leader. That's the leader. My leader doing that? My leader doing that? It's a bad habit.

My leader doing that? Kobe had bad attitudes, too. But I got back on defense. Not all the time? Yeah, not all the time. If you go in your classroom talking the whole time and the teacher don't penalize you because you're the superstar of the goddamn school,

you're going to keep talking. Yeah. If they start, hey, yo, get your ass out. Now you're missing the pop quizzes. You're going to start coming there and shutting the fuck up. When you know it's wrong, though, if you're in there disrupting the class and you know you're not supposed to do it,

but you're just doing it because he ain't saying nothing the penguin ain't worried about your hair y'all didn't even go between the legs our search was your sources so damn I was there we don't we look y'all on between the legs like I can't do nothing behind the back cross the speed only thing I'm gonna look forward to see that TJ for as you get a nigga like Brandon down there in that gas chamber, all you hear is, help! Help! And then we going to come right back. Help!

Somebody help! And he's going to be like, in timeouts, ain't nobody going to come help me, man. We going to come right back down and find out. Nobody going to help me. But we playing zone. But that's for the. That's cool.

I'm going to shoot that. We targeted then. They don't target now. That's one thing. But when someone's, like that's what I said, I understand where Ant came from. You don't know. When he look at the guys he go against, right,

and then he look at your era and look at your guys, he can go and say, all right, where do they rank? Even though before they probably ranked a little bit better. The only person who can, if Shaq said, hey, man, in my era, big man wasn't talented, right? And he just made it. I will say, motherfucker, he's right. What everybody's going to do is do what? Go to what era Shaq came in.

See, instead of talking about the 2000s where he would probably be saying everybody going to go to Hakeem, this and this. Like, oh, they were super talented. You stupid. Me, I would say the era when I came in and Shaq was playing with the Lakers, facts. There was

no talented big man that he competed with because he was so big that they just grabbed any nigga who had, they were just, they had anybody, just be big. We had the conversation with Shaq. We talked to him. The first thing he asked me, Joe, you think Joker that good? You think Joker like that? I said, Joe's like that. He's like, he like that. I was like, but is he like that? Could he play when y'all was that? I said, he joker like that. He's like, he like that. I was like, but is he like that? Could he play when y'all was playing?

He said. Because, but he don't know. They would have to guard Joker, too. This is the reason why he said it, though. That's what I'm saying. Shaq could be on that three line. The reason that he said it is because it was so many of him, size, strength, the big guys. He's like, man, it'll be tough for him

to get that football. That's cap. It'll be tough for him to get it. Because look, who is Joker in our days? Mark Gasol, Paul Gasol, the Euro bigs. They had footwork. They wasn't really mobile like that. They had a hand on that.

So Jokic, literally. Shaq looking at him like, man, he's like Vlade. He's like Vlade and Sabonis. Like Vlade and Sabonis. Yeah. Joker like Vlade and Sabonis. No, you can't take away the nigga's skill. I'm not.

He's better than Vlade. He's better than Vlade. Yeah, he's better. But the two guys I'm mentioning, they're the same type of guys. No, they're not. Arvide Sabonis and Vlade. You prepared Vlade to Jokic? Vlade was not a score just Vlade was not a score I'm Vlade was not a score Sabonis is not a score Sabonis came in we don't know what he was we just heard how good the nigga was overseas

he came in he was already done he was washed who Sabonis Sabonis came in you know basketball you know we don't know we don't know nothing about Sabonis because y'all ain't watching Sabonis was different than NBA Sabonis came in. You know basketball, you know. No, we don't know. We don't know. Y'all don't know nothing about Sabonis because y'all didn't watch. Sabonis was over-seen. Sabonis was different than NBA Sabonis. Even NBA Sabonis. No, he was good, but he was old though. I'm telling you, bro. It still don't matter. He's still Jokic. What do you mean?

He's still Jokic. Like, like, when I say, like, when I say, when, when, when you think about Shaquille O'Neal, right, in his era, in our era, the 2000 era, right? The 90s era, they're going to say he's capping. The 2000, when his, think about his competition in 2000, 2001. You're talking about a young Dwight Howard is the second best player from the 2000 to 2010s at that position. Then you got a Yao Ming who didn't even finish his career like that. Then you got a Paul Gasol who kicked in later on,

and he didn't even guard check during them. He started off at the four. Then you got somebody like Ben Wallace, Chris Bosh's a four. Still had Dallenberg, Tyson Chandler. So, not think about who.

Marcus Canby. Okay, now. All these guys. You said it. Now, who the hell is challenging Shaq offensively from the group? We just had people. We was just drafting people to guard him. He didn't have to guard nobody.

Shaq didn't have to guard nobody. Shaq didn't have to guard nobody. So if he made the statement and say, man, 2,000 big men are weak, there shouldn't be not one big that come and say, there won't be no Magic Johnson, Isaiah Thomas. Yeah, what you talking about, big fella?

His biggest competition was Yao Ming for a couple years. than that McGlure David Robert David Roberts, that's true. That's her that's her that's them Duncan For that's that that's one year What year where he had the in the 2000 other than that there was nothing for we a Josiah you can you know you said not I? How do you do some of this team Hakeem and David Robinson were probably the only two centers that offensively gave him a problem. That was 90s. That's in the 90s.

You talking about 2000? I'm talking about the 2000. Once they got to the Staples Center, when he got to the Lakers, there was no Staples Center. That's what I'm saying. See, people will go all the way to the 90s. Not the great Western form. Everyone go to the 90s to talk shit and he will be talking about when he makes that statement, I know he will Everyone go to the 90s to talk shit, and he would be talking about,

when he makes that statement, I know he would be talking about the 2000s. Because, nigga, it was... We sitting here like... It was a change of the guard. It was like, when did we get you? No, you know what happened? Is all the four men

who had the skill level to be five, all those seven footers, wasn't big enough. See, David Robbins and all that, the Hakeems, they didn't face that Laker nigga. They faced the skinny one who was running down doing, they didn't face that

yo, boom! They didn't face him, right? The NBA, when all those guys, right, that was skinny, tall, the Garnetts and them, right? The NBA, when all those guys, right, that was skinny, tall, the Garnetts and them, and they was like, no, we're going to be four. Then all of our four men became seven-foot ones. Shaq, you just, whoever had big bodies,

we just, they drafting you. Olin McKinney, come on in. Josiah, come on in. Who, you got a cousin? Come on in. Y'all go out there. We sitting here like, who, hey, when'd you get on this team? Like was at the Gold's Gym. I was at the Gold's Gym. Nigga,

they was, you know, listen. You said what? I'm standing on business. Listen to business. A seven-footer back then. A nigga got paid 60. Think of this is then, 2005. $66 million as a backup center. That averaged three and three. Three and three. Gotcha. $66 million.

Today, that's like a big man averaging three and three and signed a $150 million contract. Just so he... Because he was valuable. You got to guard Shaq at some point. Four games a year, I'm paying you this money so you can be available for Shaquille. Joker is a mix of Marc Gasol and Pau Gasol. No, he's not.

He's a better version. He's a way better version. Way better version. That's disrespectful. He's a mix of them both. He's a better version. That's disrespectful. Way better version. He's a mix of them both. He's a better version. That's disrespectful. It's not. It's disrespectful to them because they'll tear that motherfucker up. No they won't. They're not even good enough. Tear that motherfucker up. They're not even good enough. Them Spaniards boy, this is Sparta.

If Jokic was in the 2000s, if Jokic and Bede was in the 2000s, they would have killed the 2000s. Easy. Because they were only playing one-sided. For the most part, it was, I mean, no key, Rudy Goldberg. It would be Dallenberg. That's what I'm saying. It's standard big. That was our standard big then.

And he was too small for Chicago. That's what I'm saying. Back then, we was playing standard big. Joker was our standard big then. And he was too small for Chicago. That's what I'm saying. Back then, we was playing standard big. Joker would be fucking Marc Gasol, Paul Gasol. You have to give him his skill. His skill is his skill. The same. Paul Gasol, pinch

post. I can shoot it. I can dribble handoff. I can roll. I can hit the midi. I can hit the side. I can be in the doghouse. He did all of that. He was a better version. But the difference of that. He was a better version. But the difference was... And to have Kyle Gasol dunk on your motherfucking ass

and scream on you. He was tearing KG... They tearing their ass up. Motherfucker Spaniard in here. Kyle Gasol tearing his ass up. I've seen him pass the ball like him. You got to give him his skills. You got to give him his...

They both did. They both passed the ball. Not like him. Not like this one. Yes, they did, bro. Kyle Gasol passed that thing. Yogi said game one. Not like him. Not like this one. Yes, they did, bro. Pau was all passed that big. Yogi's hit game with his top one leg. Passed that big.

But he didn't have his 10 assists because he didn't have to. Now he didn't have to. He had Kobe Bryant on his team. Now he didn't have to. Let's put Kobe on. Kobe not...

You think I'm passing to Kobe or is Kobe passing to me? Come on, man. We're talking basketball. He wasn't even the best player on his team. We're not just trying to come back to comedy. No, man. You're talking about... We're't even the best player on his team. We not just trying to come back to comment. We talking who?

Talk who? He's the second option. You ain't never watched Marc Gasol or Paul Gasol. You can't talk on him. He was cool. He was cool. They were nice. So what was his... Why was he nice? He was cool. He was cool. What was nice about his game? He could shoot. What was nice about his game? He could shoot. What was nice? He could shoot.

He was nice. He had no post work. He was nice.. He could shoot. He was nice. He had no post work. He was nice. He had post work. He was nice. He was nice. Was he an all-star? It was, yeah. Was he good enough to be an all-star?

He was OK. He was OK. He's not like this one, though. He was an all-star. He's not a Hall of Famer. He was a who? Who? He was an all-star.

He was a. You hear this shit? If you can hear, huh? You can hear. You can hear. Mark or Paul? Mark or Paul? Both.

Oh, not both? Nigga, it wasn't both All-Stars? Mark is an All-Star because he got the Lakers. Mark is not a Hall of Famer. You don't think he can be a Hall of Famer? No. Is he a champion? Mark Gasol.

Champion? No. Well, let's keep this thing moving. Olympic champion. Keep this thing moving, but before we do, go ahead and download the Underdog Fantasy app. It's so good. You get $1,000 in bonus cash.

No. Plus a special pick-em. All right, let's shift it back. The current, present NBA. So LeBron and Bronny are just weeks away from making history as the first father and son duo to play on the same NBA team. During a recent episode of The Shop, LeBron laid down some ground rules for what Bronny can

and can't call him in the workplace. What's your working relationship? Is he going to call you dad at practice in the locker room? No, we already laid that down. No, we already laid that down. He cannot call me dad in the workplace. Once we leave out of the private facility and the gates close, I could be dad again in the car.

We ride together at home. I could be dad. No, he got to call me like two, three bra Okay, or you know go if he wants to But it's easy for me It's easy for me because I've been calling brownie for so long It's not like I've been quite son a son like so it's easy for me It's gonna be the adjustment for him, but he cannot we cannot be running down the court and they'd be like dad no you cannot do that i'm not gonna lie that's gonna be funny because he's gonna say just that first that first pass he go yo dad i was open he go

it's gonna it's gonna slip. Don't call me daddy, little nigga. He said he can call me goat. That's funny. Hey, goat. That's nasty work. I'm not calling you daddy. I'm not the nastiest of work you could ever have. Brownie can't call his dad goat?

Dad goat? Nobody can call. Hey, goat, throw me the rock. Nobody playing basketball on your team should be referencing that. But how do you? Go. No. Go.

Bro, if you don't get the fuck out of here with that. Why? Because it's nasty. It's a nice nickname. It's nasty. It's diabolical. It's appropriate. Hey, Bronny.

Call him daddy. That's just going to be. Hey, daddy. Daddy. Come on, daddy. Oh, you know when Bronny get mad, he gonna say this shit. Yeah.

Damn, dad. Shit. If I'm Dalton, though, I'm like, what you gonna do? Tell your daddy. You gonna go tell your daddy how he sent you the ball? Yep.

Hey, daddy. Bringing to my question, obviously this is uncharted waters with father and son playing on the same team in the league How should LeBron balance being Bronny's dad versus being his teammate? Like coaching your son, that's crazy. You got to be really mindful like it It's gonna be this gonna be different right when you coach your kid is gonna be different cuz you want to try not to have

that favoritism It's gonna be different right when you coach your kid is gonna be different because you want to try not to have that favoritism Right, so you kind of talk to them a little bit harsher Then you would talk to your teammates just so your teammates respect the workplace So it's gonna be so I can I can understand why I said no you're gonna call me like everybody else call me And you know, I'm a Bronny, tell that nigga the same shit. When we get home, I'm going to say the same shit. You know what I mean?

Yo, Bron! Yo, big fella! Nigga needs some chicken in here. Hey, you know what, we're going to keep this together. Whatever energy we have in the building, let's keep it at the crib, too. We adults now. Are they going to keep this. Whatever energy we have in the building, let's keep it at the crib, too. We adults now. Are they going to carpool together? Ronnie ain't playing that shit.

I'm good. I mean, see, Ronnie got to be there before him anyway as a rookie. Is it nasty work if Bron's in the game, Ronnie comes in, and they run a play for Ronnie? No. If he scores. They run a play for Ronnie. Does anybody else on the team feel a play for Brownie? No. If he scores. They run a play for Brownie. Run a play?

Does anybody else on the team feel a certain type of way? I don't think they... You know, that's going to be the bad part. He's like, yeah, we're going to run this for Brownie. No, that's going to be the bad part because as soon as he subs in a game, that's all we're going to be looking for. That's all that's going to be looking for. If they run a play for him, his dad just passing him the ball the whole time.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? It's going to gonna throw that this media is gonna throw so much They're gonna throw so much wedge into it that it's gonna be to the point where it's like for the first couple games Don't play me and my son together. You know me so it's gonna be all this unnecessary Bullshit because you don't want narratives to be pushed But it's very necessary because you signed up for this. Nobody signed up. Nobody signed up. You signed up for a nigga. Can you just watch the basketball game?

Don't dissect the game. Oh, he'd look what's-her-name off the pass to LeBron. It's gonna happen. Oh, he didn't throw the lob to AD because he wanted to pass to LeBron for the three. Yeah, I did. I want my nigga to get a point.

I mean, some things are just, some things, I don't, I think some things are just meant to be. Like, it's not what they sign up for. Like, it's what my hard work brings. But that ain't how the fucking chips feel. Yeah, it did. I mean, LeBron took care of his business as a professional athlete, and that's why things are happening for him. So the chips feel for Bronny to be on the Lakers that way. Is this destined? Yes. It gotta be. I mean, the universe

don't want... If any of y'all pick Bronny in this draft, he's going to Australia, so don't fuck up. But again... But that's the leverage is what I'm saying. That's the leverage. That's not destiny, bro. No, it is. No, that's the leverage of this business. You make your own destiny. No, what I'm saying is the fact that they came out there means

people were trying to draft him for their leverage. Right? So they're trying to do the same leverage. So we're like, yo, if you do draft him, we're not. But at the end of the day, let's not act like he wouldn't have been on the team. That's what I'm saying. If he didn't get drafted. Let him be on the team and then allow these things to play out.

But that's the problem. And not allow these narratives to be pushed based on him being on the team with his dad. No, he would have been on the team. That's a narrative that they're not asking for, but it is what you're asking for. What's going to happen? Because you put yourself in this position. There's going to be a circus. If he don't get drafted at 55, right?

If he doesn't get drafted at 55, he was going to be on the team, right? I don't know. My son just came into the draft. You don't think I'm putting my son on the team? I don't know. Yes, you are. It's your son.'t think I'm putting my son on the team? I don't know. Yeah. Yes, you are. It's your son. No, no.

Now think about the guy who got- If Dallas picks him up, what are you doing? No, I'm talking if he didn't get drafted. He's still gonna be on the summer league team. The same narrative. The only bad part now is the person who got drafted 55 don't have a secure job because my son has to be on his team.

So does Bronny get the same guaranteed deal? Yes. Damn. Oh, just to inform the rest of the world, second round deals is very different today. You negotiate your own contracts, right? So the first pick in the NBA in the second round got a guaranteed $7 million.

The second pick guaranteed $11 million. The third pick, nine, fourth, nine, in the second round. Right? So those guys got four-year deals guaranteed. The standard is what Bronny did. He did a standard two-years guaranteed third-year partial fourth-year team option. So why is he the only one that got that deal?

No, everybody. That's the standard. No, that's the normal second-round deal. So some of the guys got four years guaranteed. So it was like, yo, you talented.

I'm locking you down for four motherfucking years. He only got a standard two. Third is a partial, so he has to stay on the team for a certain amount of time. If he's on the roster like June 26th, then he is guaranteed. Then it's guaranteed. And then the fourth year, we're going to

pick it up if it's optional. But some of those guys is locked down for four guaranteed years. Good luck. Wishing y'all luck. But all these deals is done before the kid even... Most of these deals is the deal. So let's say whoever the second whoever the second pick is that was who got 11 million they already did that deal so he already knew he was going to

that team so most of these guys in the second round it seemed like now like some kids is like yo yo yo don't draft me at 36 i want to be drafted at 45 because i already have a deal at 45. So most of these kids, we don't know who's really, who's that dude is because they've told teams don't draft me. Like, like I don't want to, I don't want to go to, I'm a guard. I don't want to go to Knicks. I want to go there. So don't draft me there. I got to deal with San Antonio Spurs. So we already talked about the Lakers. They're going to be a circus this season, like every year, this year, probably more than most, but how much will having his dad as a Lakers franchise player impact the way Bronny gets treated by other players on the squad? We're saying how much is having his dad as a franchise player in the lake is gonna impact how Bronny gets treated by other

players on the squad on that squad Hey, what did you say they're going to do? What did you say earlier? Basketball and Tel Aviv. Yeah, your ass is going to be at where? Tel Aviv. When I get finished with... Your ass...

Say it again, where? Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv. I don't know where that's at, but I guarantee you, your ass... Your ass is going to be sweet, god damn it. And where you going to be? Your ass going to be there. He was talking crazy, too.

Just in reality, and this is business, too. That's what I'm saying. This is business, too, and I can tell you right now, Lakers are happy with the Bronny pick because he's sold enough jerseys to make up for his contract. Hmm. Hmm. You know what I mean? No second round pick has sold more jerseys than the Bronny James already.

In history, besides probably Jokic or somebody. But within that first year, he has sold the most jerseys in NBA history from a second-round pick. So he's equal money to the team itself. So it's not like they lose money on a kid. They're going to make money on a kid because... And I think he's going to be fine. He's with his father every day. He's going to learn the best.

Like, he's going to learn. Like, if any rookie's coming in second round, like, you can't ask for nothing more than this. Like, I get to play for the Lakers. My dad's LeBron James. I get to go to work, see how he work every day, develop. In two or three years, we'll see. We'll see.

We'll see what happens. Three years, you'll be 22. Yeah. But I'm just saying, like, we'll see. Like, he should be ready to go, though. He'll be a senior in that. So let's expand it across the whole league. Are opposing players gonna have enough heart to talk crazy to Bronny with Bron and Lewis in it.

If you're an opposing player talking to a nigga sitting on the bench, you crazy. Are you talking about if he's in the game? There's going to be a whole bunch of second round picks. Hold on, man. Hold on. I mean, what's somebody going to say? You're in the league because you're dead. They did that to Luke Walton. Kobe did that to Luke Walton. When we talk about what the opponents are going to do, are y'all really trying to push the narrative like he's about to be playing 30 minutes a game in the NBA his first year?

No, he was the 50th pick. He's going to be... He will see some time on the court, though, Gunn, in those moments when he's on the court. When he gets on the court, whoever was 31, whoever was 56, 48, they all going to be on the court

with each other, fighting for more playing time. So there ain't going to be no beating to say, hey, yo, ha-ha, your daddy... Like, yo, nigga, you got two minutes just like me. Shut up. I can see a situation with Dylan Brooks. I can hear you.

All I hear is the Draymond Green. They don't love you like that. And if Dylan Brooks is talking like that, they're going to be on the bench. Like, y'all think he's going to get in the thing. Y'all are crazy, man. They don't love you like that. You think he's your daddy, huh? Like, do y'all know in the second round,

they play three games a year, five, seven games a year through blowouts? You think you're your daddy? Why would somebody say you think you're your daddy? To be hurtful. I mean, that's just something I would say. Bro, you think you're your daddy? I'm an elite troller.

You think you're your daddy out there. Come on, man. What do we expect? We seen what he was doing to the WBA? She did not want to play no more We go the other way What's a man come get your child? Yeah, we go the other way Like man like yeah, like right when he comes in the game man is gonna be standing ovations Yeah, we go the other way. Get out of here. And then this is the last question. Don't get so child.

Like, man, like, yeah, like, when he comes in the game, man, there's going to be standing ovations. There's going to be standing ovations. Initially, but the first day he get in the game, it's going to be all over his head. Nobody, nobody is going to be killing this kid. He is not. I'll be standing up on the other end of the bench just to talk to him on the other end. Hey, Bronny!

Like, you talk to Laker. I'll need some water! Like, Laker Nation, what are we expecting? Like, let's just be real, real. No one's expecting Bronny James to come in and play 20, 30, 40 minutes. No. He's going to get one, two minutes. When the game is out of reach, come in and play. Right?

There might be one of those things where they down 20 points in the third quarter Him in a bunch of they might get in the game So here's a question are the Lakers trying to prepare for the storybook ending or are they trying to win a championship? You tell me what we trying to do what we trying to do, huh? Well, you said what no no no what we trying to do, huh? Are they trying to create a Disney storyline a Disney do, huh? Wait, you said what? No, no, no, no, no. What we trying to do, huh? Are they trying to create a Disney storyline? A Disney storyline? Yeah.

Right? Yeah. To ride out on the sunset. Yeah. Or to win a championship. I mean, we did, we did, we did draft. We did draft Scooby Doo once. We did draft him, right?

We did. Hey, he didn't show up. He didn't show up. He didn't show up. What the fuck Scooby Doo once. We did draft him, right? We did. He didn't show up. He didn't show up. He didn't show up. What the fuck Scooby? Scooby is. Where you at? We did a keynote meeting, so we are, you know, we are entertainment first, but if that trade

go through that we trying to get, championship. All right. All right. I just want to know what the- Then that's a whole other narrative. Exactly. Father and son first- What if that trade involves Bronny Jam? That's the point, bro. I just want another then that's a whole nother narrative exactly give others some first What if that trade involves Bronny James? That's the point bro. Is it the storybook? So if you would if they reject the check the trade that could land the other team will be Right in there. You definitely got to be. You got to be petty. And it's messy. Whoever says that, get fired.

You'll get fired? Who? On which side? The other side? Other side. You know damn well, if you sitting there going through players and then somebody's like, yeah, let me get Bronny James. Your fan base is like, wait, hold on.

Hey, I don't know. Is this what we do? What is it? You don't see Bronny having like a real big ceiling down the line? We don't know. I think he's going to be a good player. He just needs time. I said two years.

Three years? We don't know. I want him, I'd rather him learn how to be a professional from his father. First two years. If we're going to just talk basketball hoop and we're saying, okay, he's in the NBA. Now, we can't do nothing about it. What is the best situation for him moving forward? Learning from sending him to Houston?

We gonna send him to Houston with all them kids? We gonna send him to Portland? Or we have longevity dude who's been there playing at 40 years old who's learned how to be a professional. I'd rather him be in this situation. I'd rather any. If my son was coming to the draft, I'd rather learn from him, Kevin Durant, or Steph. Those are only three people I can say,

if you're going to spend three years somewhere, spend it with Steph, spend it with KD, and then spend it with LeBron James. Gil, would you want to play with your son if you were still an active player in the league? What type of player am I? Am I after I got hurt? Hibachi. No, if I got hurt and I get Nick Young in that group or before injury? Before you were Hibachi, age of zero.

Before I got, yeah. Because then he's going to follow. We're going to go to the gym. This is what we're doing. Before I got... I was... Yeah. Because then he's going to follow... We're going to go to the gym. This is what we're doing. This is how you be great. Yeah. If he came in after I get injured... But you still would have...

Party time. Yeah, but you still would have been like, you know, certain things in the league for him. Yo, you still talk about the game today and very detailed about things. So you still being injured, you still would have showed me... Let me detailed about things so you still being injured you still I'm not even gonna let you run that narrative. I got listen I

Was so structured them years when I was trying to be good when I got hurt I Got money in my pocket, and then I don't have to be accountable for like training, training and stuff, I really partied, dog. Like, I didn't have no responsibility. I didn't have to wake up and do the scout report. I was injured. I'm about to enjoy being an NBA player because I didn't enjoy it at first. Remember, I got drafted.

I'm sleeping in the gym. I didn't enjoy it. So I didn't have that moment. I didn't get to party when I got drafted. I had no money. Then from there, I got hurt in Golden moment. I didn't get the party when I got drafted. I had no money then from there I got hurt in Golden State. I mean, uh, Washington and then I tasted all-star and hidden game winner Oh, I need I want to taste this some more. So when I got hurt, it was like I don't have nothing I can club

So when we go into the road, I was going out. I was trying to enjoy life for the first time. Hmm Holes galore. Holes galore. I called the strip club, hey, I need five of them. Five, six of them. That's being greedy. That's afternoon. That's my teammate. We should, hey, hey, hey, hey.

Two to three would be sick. I'm Agent Zero. Holla, this is my rook. Hand him a rook. Hand him a rook. Take care of my rook. I ain't not lying, because when I tore my Achilles, we got a chance to sit down for a minute.

You should start doing whatever. Yeah, I did all that before. You were at North Carolina? No, it was my second year. I had the microfracture surgery. Oh, yeah, yeah. My second year, I was already like, yeah, I'm not going to be the same. Downtime?

Downtime? Don't be hurting in summertime. Downtime? I was in the club with the Crutches, nigga. Damn. You was one of those? Yeah. My mom was next to me.

My mom was about to go down these stairs. Some work down there. In the red room. Help me up. So LeBron said that Bronny can call him Goat. One player that won't be calling LeBron GoAT anytime soon is former NBA guard Mario Eli. So Eli was the seventh round pick in 1985 that went on to win three trips, three chips in his career

with the Rockets and Spurs. So during a recent appearance on the Willie D show, Eli took issue with how Bron and other players in the league are teaming up to win championships. All these guys want to join each other well and play with each other. No, I want to beat you. I want to beat you. I want to beat you.

LeBron, you say you the GOAT. Why you joining Bosh and you know what I'm saying? We wasn't doing that in the 90s. Like Dream calling Jordan up. You want to link up and calling Bird and Magic up. Y'all want to link up and play? You hear those old school dudes talk.

I want to beat you. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to join you. These boys want it easy right now. It's the AAU era right now. Everybody want it easy. Everybody want it easy. LeBron want Anthony Davis. Who else you want, LeBron? He's all about you to go.

Come on, man. You know what I'm saying? Great player. Love him. But everybody want to play buddy ball. you know, instead of just having a league competition. Finally. So, Rashad, does Mario Eli have a point or is he hating? I don't know. You got to ask the chat.

We taking the chance to work for it? You know, I'm just going to ask the chat because that's just real nigga shit for me. And I think that's what everyone feels. And just everyone has to take sides and say opposite. But I think when it all happened, everybody felt the same type of way. And KD did it. And everybody, you know what I'm saying, is like, paid away for it.

Let's go play. Did they feel that way when the Celtics did it? Or were they older? Older. And it was, you know what I'm saying? Still marquee names. So it was like, you look at it like after that like with him playing with who he played with and who they are you know saying it's like he's saying imagine the guys that we play with going to team up with other superstars and

then he team up with Houston he not as cool he not LeBron now it don't matter didn't he did he go to a team and team up with Houston? It don't matter. Or a ring? It does matter. He's not that caliber. Did he run first? He's a corner nigga. Okay, okay.

He's a corner nigga. So how did Drexler get there? For them to win the championship? I don't know. He got traded, free agent, I don't know. That was Klaus. Via trade. That was Klaus.

Via trade. Klaus' decision. And then they played together in college. They wanted to go to a... Because he wanted to go what? But he wanted to play with us again. I want to go no no no we're not gonna You wanted to go to a continue on the way to win a Slammer it don't matter how you put the fucking sugar in the cake you can put it first you can put it last trust me it's gonna taste the same so no matter how you want to look at it a Superstar went to go team up

with another superstar and they won championships no matter how you want to pretend you did it you did it and that's the that's the thing that i don't like about these dudes when charles barkley want to throw shots you asked for a trade in the two teams was number one and two in the western conference so stop the bullshit. This is Mario. Michael Jordan, when you lost Horace Grant, you went out to replace him with a fucking juggernaut. Don't pretend that

you didn't do this shit. This is Mario saying this. It don't matter. This is not Charles Barkley. He said it. This is not Clyde Drexler saying it. And they would be hypocrites if they did say it. But that's not who's saying it. And this is not Clyde Drexler saying it. And they would be hypocrites if they did say it. But that's not who's saying it. Mario is a corner nigga saying,

man, I do not like the way this shit look. He probably didn't like the way it look when they won it. Maybe. Yeah, he did. Maybe.

He was salty. Right? Well, I'll take that. You know what I'm saying? Because he played on multiple teams that won championships. So his pedigree of being a competitor, he doesn't agree with the landscape, just like me.

I don't agree with the landscape either. But the landscape is different, right? Then they threw games because they wasn't happy with the teams. Back then, some of those players' mouths, when they wanted out, they didn't perform the way they wanted to, but they played good enough to get the, to go for the trade. Like, I still want to go. So, they, if they didn't like the situation, they got out of the situation. When free agency hits, they couldn't even afford, they couldn't even afford to take a hit right like so when it was a free agent i'm a free agent and my team offered me this deal and another tip there

was no that money was so different then these guys can make they make so much that it's designed for a free agent not to leave his hometown. Right? So when LeBron leaves, you have to think about how much money that they're leaving. They didn't walk away from money like that. Let me give you an example. KG was trying to make his decision on where he was going to go. When?

When he was leaving Minnesota. Uh-huh. It was my second year. I remember like it was yesterday. Two places he refused to go to. Uh-huh. It was my second year. I remember like it was yesterday. Two places he refused to go to. Mm-hmm. You know what those two places was? Phoenix, San Antonio.

Phoenix? San Antonio. So two wrestlers. His two rivals was Amari and Tim Duncan. He did not want to be traded for them. He did not want to be traded for them. He did not want to go play with them. Mm-hmm. Because they was his rivals. Because he didn't like them.

Who was your rivals when you played? That you'd be like, I would never want to go play with him. I want to kill him every time I play against him. There's no way in hell I'm going to go team up with him. Did you have one? No, but... never but no age Kate This is what he's coming from that element of man if you got a rival and the niggas beat you or you be there His rival is Katie who like that doesn't right?

I got if I'm true you won't be traded you being traded for those guys You wouldn't be traded with those guys i got two four men what i'm saying kg said i'm not gonna go play with them niggas or i'm not gonna and i'm not gonna i'm not gonna get traded for them so don't don't try to trade me and make it seem like this is equal value these niggas not on my level okay so so him going to boston made more sense because i'm not getting traded for a rival and i'm going to a contender team but it was getting a bunch of potential for that but that wasn't a contingency it was a sorriest team in the league they was gonna know they got ray first they got ray first it

was a behind the scenes they became my contender so they end up so they knew there was about to be this combo thing that got that they didn't know because when we were sitting there my agent Jeff Schwartz called me and said listen, I need KG's number Paul wants to talk to him. Mm-hmm. Do you know in that conversation KG said This is before Ray Allen got there, you know Ray got there you can read out that whole tone change Yes, so at first it was not on get any But again, I'm fucking Boston. What fucking one. What the fuck in Boston? Where the fuck I'm going to Boston for? But you're missing the other sugar.

The other part of the sugar. It's still sugar. I don't want to be here no more. I want to win. Because we couldn't get nobody to come here. LeBron James! No, no, no. We missed out on AEI because it was just

Denver or whatever. So the same thing with the Cavs is the reason why LeBron... He couldn't get nobody to come. Nobody wanted to come to Cleveland. Bro, AD would have came to Cleveland. They didn't. He would have. Because he left to go to L.A. L.A.

L.A., bro. What do you mean? It don't matter. It's LeBron. Think about it. It doesn't matter. It's LeBron. Think about it. We don't have this conversation already. LeBron already got niggas to come to Cleveland, bro.

He had plenty of niggas to come to Cleveland. No, no, think about it. Think about it. Plenty. No, think about it. This is the biggest free agency market. We don't have this conversation already. LeBron already got niggas to come to Cleveland, bro. He had plenty of niggas to come to Cleveland. Think about it. Think about it. Plenty. No, think about it. This is the biggest free agency market, right? He already asked Bosh to come.

Bosh said no. And where did he go when he said no? He stayed in Toronto? No, he went to Miami. Okay, so he asked Bosh to come to Cleveland. Dwyane Wade, come to Cleveland. Both them niggas said, I'm not coming to Cleveland. I'm not went to Miami. Okay, so he asked Braz to come to Cleveland. Dwayne Wade, come to Cleveland. Both them niggas said, I'm not coming to Cleveland. They said, no, we're not coming to Cleveland.

But then they said, look, you come here. We'll come to Miami. We'll go to New York. No, no, you said we're not coming to Cleveland. We're not coming to Cleveland. All right, so LeBron, why don't you come down here to Miami? No, let's all go to New York. And then they fucked that off.

We all go to Miami then. And then they fucked that off and we all go to Miami then. But he had the same problem. He couldn't get nobody that was good enough. He got a bunch of old niggas running around trying to get championships. At the end, let me go team up with LeBron. That's who he got. He didn't get

no valuable players to come up. So that's why I don't like the argument of these big city players that you know you don't have to leave. If he started in L.A., he know he don't got to leave L.A. Everybody want to come to L.A. No one's coming to L.A.

Why? We've been six years and no one's been here but one guy. No, we're talking about no. If LeBron was in his prime, regardless, if LeBron never in his prime, if he was in his prime. Regardless. If LeBron was in Cleveland at a young age, how many people would come to L.A.? If LeBron never came to L.A.

Huh? If LeBron never came to L.A. And stayed in Cleveland? Stayed in Cleveland. Nobody was coming to Cleveland. A.D., he could have went and recruited A.D. A.D. was not coming to Cleveland. Why not?

Because it's Cleveland. Why did he come to L.A.? It's L.A. Who was there with LeBron for AD to be like, yeah, I'm going to come play with y'all. It was no y'all. It was I'm going to come play with LeBron. In L.A. Yes.

So why wouldn't that change? If we won a championship in Cleveland, nobody wants to. I'm LeBron. You're in New Orleans. Come play with LeBron over here. Nobody wants to be. Are you leaving New Orleans to go to Cleveland LeBron over here. Nobody wants to be... Are you leaving New Orleans to go to New Orleans? Yes! But nobody did.

You don't get Kyrie. Because he left. What do you mean? He was old. He was not old. No, they wasn't. He was out of the league a year later. Dwyane Wade was old.

None of them niggas was old. Dwyane Wade was older. One of them niggas' ages on the roster when they was on the roster. None of them niggas was old. Dwyane Wade was old. No, he wasn't. He played another four years. No, he did. After Cleveland? Yes.

They were old. Y'all not talking basketball because y'all be watching this shit. Y'all guessing. Tell them. Tell them. Just tell them. Dwayne Wade with the Cavs 2017-2018. Went back to the Heat.

Retired in 2019. What age was he? He retired, dog. He retired to the Heat. Retired in 2019. What age was he? He retired, dog. He retired. He retired. What age? 35. 35.

Oh. Who else was on the roster? There was D-Rose. D-Rose. D-Rose was done. D-Rose wasn't the same. What was their ages? They were not old.

They were done. 35 is old, nigga. No, nigga. But Dwayne Wade, yes, it is. No. Shaw, you talked about KG. KG spent 12 seasons with the Timberwolves before eventually going to the Celtics.

KG's done numerous interviews where he said his first choice was the Lakers and Kobe. Couldn't get in contact with Kobe while he was trying to make his decision between the Lakers and Kobe. Who? KG said he wanted to come to the Lakers and play with Kobe.

He wanted to come where? To the Los Angeles Lakers of L.A. To play with Kobe. Kobe was doing his China tour. He couldn't get in contact with him. So he said, I'm going to go to Boston for the... So it wasn't that he wanted to play in L.A. He wanted

to play with Kobe. He also had a house in Malibu. And he had a house in Malibu. He still has a house in Malibu. Which, as we all know, very nice place to live. So what are we seeing here? Right. Why are we pretending that super teams and players did not call and try to, like, Ron Harper averaged 20 and said, oh, man, I want to go play with Michael Jordan and win some championships. He did that.

Right? Dennis Rodman, that is the new juggernaut team. Us bad boys is going, Let me come over there. No, ain't no let me come over there. Y'all called me. Y'all called me. People did. They called me.

But I'm saying like the calling me. Who is that? People did. Bill and y'all. Hey, Dennis. Hey, Dennis. You want to come play with us? I don't give a fuck.

Ask Dennis. Dennis said I don't give a fuck. Who needs to sign off to get Rodman to the Bulls? Mike. They didn't ask Mike. Gasol. Gasol. Gasol. Hey, man. I don't give a fuck. Who needs to sign off to get Robin to the Bulls? Mike. They didn't ask Mike. That's all. That's all. Hey, man, we're thinking about making a trade.

You want to come over here? Yeah. Hey, hey, Matt Barnes, you want to come over here? Yeah. Hey, Ron Artes, you want to come over here? Yeah. Hey, Dwight Howard, you want to come over? Like, they call.

Like, why are we pretending? So we're penalizing the dudes that go, but we're not penalizing the dude that's making the call. That's weird. Nope. That is weird. Hey, listen, I'm not leaving. Stop holding on to this fantasy thing

of superstars didn't leave because they was in cities and they got billion dollar pockets where they can buy you. Bird not trying to play with Magic, man. Okay. Okay, but I bought everybody else.

Mike not trying to play with Bird. But I bought everybody else. Isaiah not trying to play with none of them. He didn't need none of them. This is the point. He got his players bought from him. We not trying to play with none of them. We trying to beat you.

I got my players bought. I got my players bought. Yeah, I don't go to Chicago, but I go to your rival. What are you talking about? Carmelone. I can't beat Jordan. Let me go with the Lakers. Like, everyone did it. They just pretended that they didn't do it. Gary Payton over there

talking about the Lakers. Like, you forgot these teams was built. I'm not forgetting nothing, my nigga. It's still a competitive knock against them. It's still a competitive knock against them. It's still a competitive knock against them. You naming names and saying that they don't get a knock because they did it. Yes, they do. And in my eyes,

everyone who did it gets a knock. Jordan don't get a knock. Kobe didn't get a knock for calling all the players. Kobe don't get a knock for shit. He never left. He didn't have to. Exactly. I got a billion dollar pocket. I don't have to. I live in L.A. I don't have to leave. You didn't have to exactly i got a billion dollar pocket i don't have to i live in la i don't have to leave you don't have to leave and then everybody say then everybody say no one wanted to play with kobe you're calling you say everybody nobody want to

play with kobe that's what i said it's the same thing this is double-edged sword so if he's calling for help but he's not he called no they called for he ain't call. He called everybody. Oh, oh, oh He called the white house we talk about I can call everybody he called him personally cuz I like the white I like that was like I like the white my boss Who did we beat? Be in the conference finals he told that you got tried Dwight Howard here. Oh when the finals in the conference finals that year. He told you that year. He was calling for you. Dwight Howard year. Oh, in the finals, right?

In the finals. Yeah. I like that young nigga right there. Same with Matt Barnes. You just said he didn't call, but now I'm calling a mega star to help. Why are we... I'm calling... We just won.

I'm calling Steve Nash. We just won. I just beat... I don't have to... I'm calling. I'm not calling you because I need you. I'm calling you because I like you. Okay, hey, but, Braun. I don't need you.

We just won. I like you. Can you come over here? No. Hey, I like you. I'm not playing in Cleveland. I'm not playing in Cleveland. I'm not playing in Cleveland.

None of them niggas is saying I'm not playing in Cleveland. They said it to him. No. No. I don't believe it. Just like... Until them niggas come out and say I told Braun no, I don't believe that shit. Bosh did. He said, tell me no. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Just like... And tell them niggas come out and say, I told Brian, no, I don't believe that shit. Bosh did.

He said, no. I don't believe it. I don't believe it. Just like when Kawhi, Kawhi tried it. I don't believe it. Right? Kawhi said, I want Paul George. Bring me Paul George.

The team says no. What happens? He wanted to stay. He was bringing his buddy. He made the call. He had the done deal. The team said no. So he's like, oh, well, fuck you guys.

I'm going to go here to someone who's going to say yeah. So why are we pretending that Dan Gilbert didn't say, I'm not paying for these players. I just bought this team. I just bought this team for $500 million. I'm not spending no money on these dudes you're trying to get. He's like, well, fuck that. My legacy is built on it.

We're out of here. Which one was it? Was it that Dan's not going to pay or that the niggas didn't want to be there? Everybody. It was a whole thing of everybody. It was everybody. Think about this.

Nah, man. Name the biggest free agent Dan Gilbert has signed. Larry Hughes in 2004. Antoine Jamison? That was the biggest money he's ever signed? Larry Hughes, 2004. Think about the money back then.

You sign any free agent today, that's fucking quadruple. What did Kevin love? Trade. Trade. Oh, trade. So he made moves to make the roster better, right? Huh? So he made moves to make the roster better, right?

Larry Hughes, LeBron number one, Larry Hughes number two. So LeBron came back when Cleveland got Kyrie. Think about it. Mm, yeah. Look at it, listen. They made trades to make the roster better.

Listen, no, listen to the, who is the biggest, when you're talking about a free agent and I need a free agent to come to my team and you said nobody, Nick, this is 0-4.

Who's the biggest free agent they've ever signed. Five years, $65 million for Larry Hughes. Five years, $65 million. Which was the max? Was the most... No! The max was 90-something. That was the big... That sounds like the same deal Al Jefferson got,

5 for 65 when I was a mini. Back then. Yes, that's what I just said. We're not talking about today. Think about it. Any free agent you sign right now is six year 200. So literally no one's going there

because of the city itself. Like that... I just went through two summers and not picking up no free agents and you're the Lakers It makes no fucking see all we got we all the bottle that you just made makes no sense to the point That in the last three seasons you've been every summer you haven't picked cuz no free and you're not Cleveland You're not in Cleveland. We're in L.A. with a big budget. Why the fuck is no one coming to L.A. now? The Lakers got a big free agent this summer. I just need answers.

This is not younger. I just need answers. No. Y'all just making up the same. I don't want to hear that shit. Where are the free agents now? You can't say you don't want to hear it. You're in L.A.

I'm 40. I don't care. I don't care. You got A.D. You got AD. You got LeBron. You're saying that no one wanted to go to Cleveland because it's Cleveland. Now that I'm in LA, where the fuck are the free agents? Who's the best player in the league now?

So if you're a free agent, you're a big free agent. All yours was just a free agent. And he went to fucking Philly La who was the if the fit if everybody was healthy all year and played this season out Who is the best player that you didn't be and he went to the best player and be let's stop it Yo, yo, yo, he went to the best player. Yo, what? What? You don't think Embiid was the best player last year? Wait, wait, wait. Embiid wasn't the best player.

So you're thinking that PG went to Philly because he's going to go team up with the best player? The best. He's the highest. Or did he pick him because they gave him the most money? It don't matter. It does matter. He ended up with the best player. He ended up.

LeBron is not considered the best player anymore? Both. He could have ended up still being at home, playing with the Lakers and playing beside LeBron and AD. He chose another route because obviously he doesn't want to be here. I mean, LeBron, like, if the Lakers signed

a nice piece, right? Let's say they did get, not even Clay, let's say they did get Paul George, right? They got Paul George. If you're a free agent, you are now considering the Lakers. Oh, shit. They are

title contenders. Why didn't Clay Thompson pick the Lakers? Why didn't he even consider them? You gotta ask him. Exactly. You gotta ask him. We don't know. I'll ask him. Ask him. But I don't have to. I know the answer. He wanted to take work in Dallas. I'm cool on that circus over there. You prefer Dallas work. I'm cool. I circus over there. I prefer Dallas work. I'm cool

I bet you I bet you if they asked about like seven years like earlier I bet you they all would went to LA. Yeah with bra if it was like seven years years old He was one year and he got a D all of a sudden He got eight years. All I'm saying is, at 40 years old, at 40 years old, I don't know if I'm going to... If it's Cleveland, I'm going to just go one-up. Cleveland.

Then he old. Then he old. Come on. Ron's older, bro. I just don't like... Ron was younger. I just don't like that narrative that you can get on your phone

and call superstars and they come and your legacy is fine even though... Even though this dude, you don't got the baggage. Your team ain't got the baggage and you trying to win a championship too and you're like well they're not they're not they're not paying they're

not paying 500 for the yeezys man my dude only want to pay 100 but the the going rate is 500 so you're like shit i need to go somewhere where they paying 500 for the yeezys now i'm like ah nigga you left you didn't win it in your city, but Chicago big money plan New York now New York playing big money, but you got Lakers playing big I didn't you got Boston playing big money. Why didn't the Martin Rosen come to LA? We don't know we gotta ask him exactly We all know we don't know you're not fucking with LA like that. He from here. We don't know I mean that from here. That's three motherfuckers From LA did not sign with LA. It was free agents from here. We don't know. I mean, that's from here. That's three motherfuckers from L.A.

that did not sign with L.A. that was free agents. There's also a lot of... Three of them! There's also a lot of... Y'all can't make this shit make sense to me, man. You know, everybody can't play for the Lakers. Get the fuck out of here. Everybody can't play for the Lakers. So... They all three passed up on the Lakers. I'm just saying, everybody can't play for the Lakers now, so number three, if you're saying... Hold this. You don't think they can play

for the Lakers? Not all of them. I know Klay could, but I don't know about the other two. You don't think Paul can play? Or DeRozan? But you acting like... I don't think

they got a big enough nuts. You acting like... I would not know. You got no mommas. No mommas. Yes. No mommas. I just like...

Just keep the same energy all the way around. But just like Ellie, like stop like in your error They did it so you're wrong. Yeah Well, he not saying that it's right or wrong on that side. He just said he don't like it You know, I don't know we don't like it. Is there you don't like that? He don't like he went to a championship He don't like you say I don't wait how you not gonna like some but you jump

Never did shit. It don't matter. I don't like nothing that this shit is going on. My fucking opinion don't fucking matter at all. I just want to I'm just a hater. I want to ask these questions I want to ask these questions as as a basketball. I know we can't

get the answer. Right? We can't get the answer because obviously history doesn't allow us to get these answers. If the number one picks went to the teams that the rest of the number ones pick went to. Like, so if

Magic went to the Kings, the New Orleans Kings, whatever team that was, the Jazz. If he went to the Jazz that year, or if he went to Cleveland that year, is he winning a championship in the first five years of his

career like he did three? No. You're on the bottom feeding team like the rest of the number one picks. If Tim Duncan didn't go to the Spurs and he went to the last two, three teams, is he Tim Duncan? Because the rest of the Spurs and he went to the last two three teams is he Tim Duncan because the rest

of the history that's being compared to you there to when B has to go to the fucking Spurs, but if when if when B went to the Lakers or when B went to Boston if when B went to

Milwaukee now his legacy is a Boston, if Wimby went to Milwaukee, now his legacy is a whole different trajectory because he's already inherited a top team. And with his talent, they're going to be trending to win a championship in the next two years. Now you're talking about a dude

in his first five years got three championships. Now his legacy is cemented as this great all because he got drafted to a better team because something happened a year before but that's those guys but that's the guys are the legacies the only person who built their legacy from trash to to greatness is michael jordan but that's your hypothetical that you say you don't let you don't but i'm just saying but the only person, when you talk about Magic, we know where he got drafted and his team and the greatness of it.

Same thing with Bird. Jordan is the only one who struggled his whole, his first five, six years, and then built championships. So you're basically saying that Magic's greatness comes from the team that he played on, not his abilities. No, but his abilities got the win early. So he became champion, and then he gets to fall off at the end because he's already a five-time champion, right?

Same thing with Bird. Same thing with Tim Duncan. They win in their first two, three years. They got championship cemented. So now they don't have to do nothing. Yeah. But just Trent, Braun, Braun, Wimby,

Dwight Howard, all these number one picks, they come in the bottom feeding team. So their first six, seven years, they're like salmon. They're up swimming. Yeah. So now we're like,

oh yeah, you haven't won in two, five years, man. You just over here grabbing these, you just grabbing these pointless, these pointless stats and doing all you can't do that That look what teams that they supposed to be that bad. Yeah, what if Ron would have went to Detroit? instead of Cleveland Hmm goat like the real goat like how many championships like you know, I'm saying like what if he went to Detroit his first year What if?

Then what y'all would have said? But as I said, there's only... We would be saying the same thing. No, but he's the only one that said... But that's what I said, only Michael Jordan is the only one who said it. No, no, no, Larry Brown, he's not getting a lot of burn his rookie year with the Pistons when it ends up happening. Shit.

I'm just telling you. I just don't like when you don't put the context as the context. And you just, some of these guys are sitting there with these championships. Like, your team was good. You were in the hair. You was good. But we're allowed to like and dislike what the fuck we want to. I don't like anybody saying you're not allowed to not like it.

You're not allowed to not like what a nigga's doing. I don't fucking like what he said. I'd rather you say you don't like it. I don't fucking like it. No, just say it. I don't like it. I'd rather you say you don't like it versus saying and giving a reason. Like, because your reasoning won't hold up against the rest of the field. So if you say, well, he

had to call people and the people didn't answer. Well, this person called this person. You keep his legacy. He called. He didn't answer. They teamed up over there and won a championship. But his legacy's He called he didn't answer they teamed up over there and won a championship, but his legacy is fine Right so if you like yo, I don't like him because I like this plan that's perfect It's easier to say perfect. It's easy to say that on universe with all the bronze sexual is not It don't work like that. You gotta like him just like said, if you like basketball, you should love LeBron James.

It's like, if you like basketball. And I like LeBron. I just don't like his game. You know what someone told me? So why is he in your top five? I don't understand. How can someone be in your top five? Because I respect him.

You know what someone told me? But you don't like his game. So you don't like watching him play. So why is he in your top five? Because I respect him. I mean, I respect him. I didn't like Tim Duncan's game. I respect Tim Duncan's game.

He's not in my top five. That's you and that's me. That's the difference between you and I. We don't have to be the same. Everybody wants everybody to agree with them. No, it's not that. And to have the same outlook. It's like, when y'all look for that shit from me, oh, my God.

No, no. Y'all going to hate. Y'all going to hate. Because you have a reason. Don't give me a reason just to i'm gonna hate me like oh it's not that i'm gonna go opposite just to trigger you if i don't like watching something how can you be in my top like i don't even like watching you like like how if i don't like something i'm just not gonna put in my top like this is undeniable when you talk about respect some like like uh barry. You cannot like Barry Bonds,

but the respect for what he done to the game, you can't, like... You know what it is? When you say something, people want to know why, and then the problem with the why is... You have to come up with an excuse on why. Or I just don't have to tell you why at all. If you ask me, when people

used to ask me, why is Penny the best player? But you give a why. I do. You name a whole bunch of things on why. I'm different. And I know how to explain my why to back up why I feel the way I feel, because I have an opinion. But then they defend it on the things that they can't.

If you just say, listen, Kobe is my number one because i loved his game somebody's gonna say why because i loved his game but he didn't i love your numbers whatever your metrics is god get the get it the fuck out of here i don't care about it that's's the problem. You're too busy spending time talking about why you don't like somebody. Just Penny Hardaway is the second best point guard

of all time. No, he's not in my top ten. Motherfucker probably might not even be in my top fifteen. He's the second best point guard in my eyes, but don't ask me why he's not in the top ten, because I don't know. Ask me everything. I'm going to tell you. No, because...

I'm going to tell you. But you're going to... You want to know why I don't like LeBron? I'll tell you. You want to know why I love Kobe? I'm going to tell you, and I'm going to give you details, intricate details.

And then on why I like him. And then when you... Are you going to hear me ask you why... You're not going to hear me ask you why you like X, Y, Z. Then don't give me why you don't like the guy you asked me i'm gonna give you but i'm not gonna ask you because it don't fucking matter then don't give me my first why you don't like it don't then you shouldn't be you ask you spend more time talking

about why you don't like lebron instead of just saying why you love kobe most people don't even know you're a kobe fan right people ask people don't even know you're a kobe fan people ask me oh just say you love kobe i call they say why you don't like lebr're a Kobe fan. Because people ask me why I don't like LeBron. Just say you love Kobe. They say, why you don't like LeBron? That's a question. Because I don't. I answer. I don't.

So if you don't ask me that question, we're not talking about LeBron at all. Ever. Don't ask me a question if you don't want the answer. If you want the answer about why I like Kobe, I'm going to give it to you. If you want to know why I don't like LeBron, I'm going to give it to you. Don't ask me if you don't want to hear it. the root, but is the reasons really don't matter you ask him The reasons are real cuz they're coming from me. It's not that's why they're real you asking me a question I was anything coming out mom. I'm not real if it's coming from me because it's me cuz you don't like it No, but you don't like something you like no, no, no, no, no, no, but if you agree with it

You know, what do you do? I like that. Oh that ain't even real. No. But if you agree with it, you know what you do? I like that. No, because when I say... I like that. I agree. You ever hear someone... It happens with women a lot. When they say, yeah, I don't want a dude.

I ain't messing with a dude who got, you know, two kids. You know, two different baby mamas. This and this, you know, boom. And then a nigga who rich come in with two kids. He be like, yo, I got three of them. Oh my God, you're so cute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah. You can't do that. Yeah, that's a... You can't

do... But why do they do it? Huh? Why do they do it? Because they lying. But why are you saying they can't do it when they do it? Because they do it all the time. Because it's a lie. You can't say you don't like it in the person you like has the same flaw that you're saying you don't like this person But you might as well just say I don't like that motherfucker cuz I love Kobe so much, but they do it Anyway, even though you don't like it. We get it. You don't like it. But guess what? No one gives a fuck if you don't like it. No one cares. I'm going to do it anyway.

Just because you don't like it don't mean I'm not going to do it. Just because you don't like to hear it don't mean I'm not going to say it. That's the same thing with the Twitter shit. They don't like when I go at or oppose to LeBron. But guess what? That's not going to make me stop doing it. Because you don't fucking like it. You know what it's going to make me do?

What? Rashad, while we're on the subject, I really have been appreciating your Twitter game. You don't fucking like you know what it's gonna make me do what? We're on the subject I really appreciate your Twitter game As a man ordained the king of a bitch. I'm almost ready to pass you that crown your generational talent Twitter with But I just see I'm trying out This guy is for the ability So do you have anybody in your top five and hip-hop that you respect but you don't listen to? Yes.

Yes. How is that possible? You can do that. Because we talk about resume. We talk about longevity. So like if somebody in music, but you don't listen to their music at all, but they're in your top five? But you respect their body of work and their hard work. Yes, all that.

Yeah, but you never listen to them? Yeah. Like, you respect the body of work. That music just don't. You don't. Like, you listen to. Like, I respect his accomplishments and everything he's done. I just personally don't listen to that type of music. So, why would that be in your top five? Like, why would that person be I just personally don't listen to that type of music. So why would that be in your top five?

Like, why would that person be... If you don't listen... Yes, I can respect what you... But I don't listen. But that's the difference between your favorites. Your favorites and your top. You got your favorites. I got my favorites.

I got my favorites. I got my favorites. Then I got the top, the top five in the game that's ever done it. The top five. If somebody's in my top five, that means I like everything about you there's a reason no like like you know to be in my top woman I respect everything here this is let's just we like the way they go where they got the way they just so we can put some context on it he didn't

like LeBron starting in 2018-19. What you mean? Rashad did not like LeBron starting in 2018-19 season. Why would you say that? He did not dislike LeBron before that. Oh, you're talking about when he made the decision to go to L.A.? That's when the hatred for LeBron came. It started in 2001. He was a Laker fan. It started in 2001. He was a Laker fan in 2001.

Parade All-American magazine. That nigga popped up out of nowhere in the magazine. I'm like, who the fuck is this nigga? It's supposed to be me and all these niggas, and this nigga popped up, and they put him above me, and I was like, I need to know who this nigga is. And ever since then, he's been on my hit list. So you got the days wrong.

You got the days wrong. We 20-some years in. You know what I did realize, though? This is just going to be a fact. Who do they have as the number one player of all time now? They move LeBron number one, right? Who's hype finally they put him? You're going to hear... You're going to hear less LeBron fans fighting for number one because he's number one now.

Yeah, we stopped that around 2016. Yeah, and same thing with who... Same thing that... The fact that if you're... This is what I'm saying. And this is just reality. If Michael Jordan... If you're a Michael Jordan fanatic, and Michael Jordan is the number one player ever, he's your GOAT.

One thing I know you won't be doing, defending him. You only defend when someone's pushing up on his legacy. When you are afraid that he's about to be removed, that's when you come in defensive mode. Real Jordan, we, real Jordan fanatics

don't even talk about LeBron being close to him. Like, Jordan's one, LeBron's two, whatever. They just keep it moving. There's no arguing here. They don't fight for the legacy. The legacy is what it is. They don't go around trying to depict it.

We got nine champions. It is what it is, right? Hussein Bolt is the fastest man on earth, right? You don't see... Hussein Bolt. You don't see the Jamaican team talking about whoever number two is. They don't give a fuck about number two.

They know he's number one. There's no close second, right? team talking about whoever number two is they don't give a fuck about number two they know he's number one there's no close second right i guarantee you start pushing number two into existence then they're gonna come out of the woodwork but for the most part number one is so far in front that they don't care about who's number two why if you think jordan is number one why the fuck are you looking in your rear view mirror? If you don't think somebody's you don't think somebody's Ferrari's coming behind you. Say focus on Jordan.

I feel the same way. Say focus on Jordan. You wouldn't even be throwing no hate. That's what I'm saying. I feel the same. You can't. Every time I bring up Kobe, I hear these niggas in the background.

You can't. You don't bring up Kobe a lot. But Laura Ball-Lamont. You don't bring up Kobe. You don't bring up Kobe a lot, though. Is that what he just said? I don't have to. You spit, but you spit more. I don't fucking have to.

He just went on a rant. He just proved my point. He just said everything I did. Kobe, if you like a guy that much, you don't have to defend him. Kobe's here. You just said I don't been talking about Kobe that much. Kobe's here. Why do I have to?

Because he has three statues. You don't talk about Kobe because you about Kobe that much. Kobe's here. Why do I have to because three stats? You don't talk about Kobe cuz YouTube you're too busy like the rest of them LeBron stop so LeBron stop I have to do that. You're spending more time here. How many topics a day? Do we talk about the same motherfucking nigga? I'm forced to talk about you spin I don't go under my motherfucking sitting be like what we're talking about training today Y'all start the conversation I finish it. That's all I do Who's my favorite of all time Penny Hardaway hardly no, okay? Yeah Yeah, it's favorites of all who don't have us to go it depends on he already said it depends on the conversation and what? Adv can get. He'll pick who? He'll pick whoever he picks.

I believe Kobe, but you're also a LeBron fan. So Kobe is my number one. Yes. But I have him third. For today. For today. No, he's my number one, but I have him third. But you don't see me.

I don't need to defend. I like all of them. Say it again. He's number one, but you got him third? Yeah. How does that make sense? It's his favorite player. Say it again. No, no. I want you got him third? Yeah. How does that make sense? It's his favorite player. Say it again. No, no. I want you to

say it out loud. We need to verbalize it. He's my favorite. He's my number one. Yes, he's my favorite player. But I have him third. He's my favorite player of all time. My favorite player of all time. Number one. But he's not the GOAT.

You have him number three. You have him number three. I have him number three. You also have six people in your top five. And I still got six people in my top five because I'm not a fool. This is Gil's arena. But what I'm saying is, he's my... You can't make this up. You can't make this up. He's my personal favorite, but I'm not going to pretend that he has this legacy that these these, this, this, this legacy

that these other two guys don't have. He don't have Michael Jordan's resume. He don't have LeBron's resume. Excuse me? But I can push his ass in front of you.

Excuse me? Yeah. Excuse me? Excuse me. He doesn't what? He doesn't have. He doesn't what? He doesn't have it.

Okay. He doesn't have the resume? Yeah. Oh, my Lord. I got a stat man. Stat man. Yeah, that's me. Thank you, Gilbert. Let me go ahead and look at these

Kobe stats. Let me go ahead and find these Kobe stats. You know it's real when Rashad calls Gil Gilbert. Full name. That's for that confirming Gil. Number one on the Hoops hype top ten. Yeah. They've got him.

Jordan second, Kareem third, Magic fourth, Bill Russell five. That's their list. And Kobe is eighth on that list, so. Okay, so where, let me go. What stats you going to go out? You going to go all NBAs? You going to go all NBAs? Bron got 20 if you want to go, if you want to throw out Kobes, right?

You want to talk all stars? I mean, LeBron got 20. What do you want to throw? I'm going to delete it. Ah I you deleted it first like first first first first first first first third third and what I think amongst two guards all-time and then another one was one one one one one all time since the 2000s. Like, all number ones. Kobe was ranked number ones all time since the 2000s. He's the best. Oh my god.

Right now. Who was the best shooting guard in the 2000s? Kobe Bryant. So he should be number one. Michael Jordan's not in the 2000s. When we were talking about LeBron, LeBron was there. He's not a shooting guard. He said players all time. What? All time since 2000. In what? Since 2000.

In what? All NBA? Everything. Because LeBron came in. All the stats. Okay. In the 03, right? Okay.

Okay. So regardless. Regardless of all of that. I'm going to stand on business for Cole. Because it was. Even if he was here, I'm standing. I was doing it when he was here. I'm surprised.

Because it was all shooting guards. But you ask me why he's. I'm arguing because he has them one. I have them three. And he's both our favorite. He's the favorite. He's I'm arguing because he has them one, I have them three, and he's both our favorite. He's doing what he said he wouldn't do, which is defend a nigga you don't got to defend. I ain't got to defend, Kobe. We seen

it for 20 years. You're asking me how do I make it make sense? He's my favorite player. That's who I grew up with. He was the first person I was like, yo, that's, but his, but I still, I'm still unbiased to everybody else's greatness i don't sit there and look at someone's greatness and pretend he's not being great dog what part of kobe stats that you're saying that didn't surpass mike what stat are you not giving

him because he passed him in points he didn't pass them in championships. They almost got the same amount of defensive, all NBAs. All of these things are very similar. So all of a sudden, Kobe got a move at the bottom because of stats. And I don't put the stats in there. I say Kobe number one. Okay, that's true. We've never seen anybody better than that. No one likes when I say that.

You got him number one. I got him three. What's the difference? One, two, three. They both on the podium winning the medal at the Olympics. Only one. They get their flag. Only one.

It don't matter. It don't. Only one gets the gold. And only one has gotten the bronze. Huh? One has a bronze. One has a gold. One has a silver.

One only touched gold. The other one got bronze. It's fair. So how you... You didn't touch gold. How you... I don't get it. Get the fuck out of here, man. It's fair. So how you... You didn't touch gold one time bronze. I don't get it. Fuck out of here, man. Hey, listen.

We don't go chasing. We don't go chasing. One has a bronze at 20. The other one won a gold at... We not chasing. Let's keep this moving. We ran all five rings. Rashad, I see you in all your New York gear.

So we'd be remiss if we didn't talk a little Knicks. Little Knicks. Little Knicks on the show. Shooting 10 bowls. Shooting guards in the 2000s. It's Kobe. Yeah, yeah. It was Kobe Ray Allen.

So let's talk a little Knicks. Tom Brady knows what it takes to be a champion. Seven Super Bowl rings, five Super Bowl MVPs, three MVPs on his resume. Brady's an unquestioned NFL GOAT. So Brady pulled up to Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart's Roommates podcast, had some high praise for their Knicks squad, and a prediction for what the future holds.

To win the Super Bowl is just a whole other thing. It's probably like getting to the finals. It's hard to get there, and then once you get there, now you've got to really compete. Yeah, we don't know what that is yet. We would know. We're not know, but I have a feeling you're going to get there now you got to really compete yeah we don't we don't know what that is yet we're not no but yeah i have a feeling you're gonna get there they don't know what it is brady said he has a feeling that you're gonna get there uh let's just

talk about the knicks obviously got mikhail bridges this offseason but lost hartenstein have the knicks already done enough this offseason to make sure that the playoff run they had this past season wasn't a fluke hey brunson's good in podcasting he low-key funny dog he's low-key funny personality like what's so funny is you don't see that personality he he actually does especially him and jay harvey i like that i like those two nova knicks that's what we were saying they needed to improve on just yeah yeah he's funny though yeah he Yeah, he's off the court. Yeah, off the court. Branding, marketing. King of New York.

He's like, I know you don't want to be messy, but if you was going to say it, what was you going to say? Like, aw, he funny. You know when they get to the second round last year? Second round. Second round. Game seven. I mean, they got to, I mean, I'm going to give them to the Olympics to start making

some moves and getting deep into the playoffs. So, 2028. Yeah, I mean, it's four years. So, I mean, this year going to give them to the Olympics to start making some moves and getting deep into the playoffs. So 2028. Yeah, I mean, it's four years. So, I mean, this year they should make a jump. They should be knocking on that door. So will they improve upon the second-round finish they had last season, reach that conference finals at least? Yeah, like if they can't make the Eastern Conference finals in the next couple,

like next year or two years. Next year or two years. I mean, what? I mean, they talking about finals. So you giving them to the audience to make the finals? No, they're not talking about finals. Brady said, I'll see you guys in the finals in the future. So that got to be, that got to be a like.

He didn't say, let's stop. He didn't say conference championship. He said finals. He said finals. He said you guys will be in the finals soon. So I'm thinking two or three years. Can we hear the context and the tone and how he said it? Let's play it again.

To win the Super Bowl is just a whole other thing. It's probably like getting to the finals. It's hard to get there. And then once you get there, now you got to really compete. Yeah, we don't know what that is yet. We would know. We're not know, but yeah. We would know.

I have a feeling you're going to get there. I have a feeling you're going to get there. I have a feeling. You know what that means? Yeah, I will. known, but I have a feeling you're going to get there. I have a feeling you're going to get there. I have a feeling. So that means two or three years. I have a feeling you're going to get there. You're referring to the two Nova Knicks on that couch. Jalen Brunson, who just re-upped, took a team-friendly deal. In two or three years, they should be knocking on that Eastern Conference Finals.

He didn't say Eastern Conference. I mean, but I'm not. Ain't no two, three years, man. It's right now. Right now? Right now. Eastern Conference Finals this year I'm not. Ain't no two, three years, man. This is right now. Right now? Right now. Eastern Conference finals this year? Yes. Stop it. What you mean? Rashad, you are a lifelong Knicks fan.

Tell me why not after they had the year they had with just one player. They got to get rid of Julius Randle. They got one player. Now they added pieces that can help that one player that ran through the East by himself. ran through the East by himself. Ran through the East by himself.

He did. Okay, add pieces to that. Okay, you still need more though. Everybody else coming back to you? Why do we need more? I just ran through the East by myself. Without Julius Randle. Running through the six with my woes.

Without Julius Randle with OG Ananobiobi with my woe. Oh, yeah Mike Drake either he definitely at home listening to That work that way because then that other said come on and then he bring it out the window he bring that work over. That work can't listen to the music. No, no, no. Drinking the candles. Drinking the candles. Drinking the candles. That candle I gave you, you be lighting that motherfucking house. I tie the work down and I make them listen to the slack.

You're going to listen to this. You're going to listen to this. We're going to be all right. We got to point out. You're going to listen to this. We're going to be all right. Harden Brothers. You're going to struggle first.

Before we have some fun, you're going to, we're going to be all right. Back of the berry, baby. Harden Brothers have not reached the NBA finals, did win a championship, so they know what it takes at the college level to win a championship.

They have done that. Yes. So we've got to give them credit. The energy is there. And they mentioned that following this clip. And they're creating a family atmosphere up there where it's like all guys, they understand what they're doing,

the goals that they have. Think about how many organizations bring in guys that don't really align with the goals of the team and the coaches and all that. They about how many organizations bring in guys that don't, don't really align with the goals of the team and the coaches and all that. They got a whole bunch of that. Savvy man, savvy decision maker when picking your team.

Yes. Roll with the cells. How's the lady? Roll them to the championship. Miami. I just almost got here. Yo, I just don't like the fact that he got to switch every fucking time.

Why is this even a topic? I don't like the way y'all be looking after the end of the season. I don't like, I don't want to feel like y'all feel at the end of the season. I don't like, I don't want to feel like y'all feel at the end of every season. Y'all motherfuckers be depressed. But Rashad, would you say you're teaming up with contenders or front-running teams? No.

Has Mario Eli said he was opposed to them? No. No. Yeah, yeah, that's basically him. That's basically him. That's why he agrees so much. Brian James. Because his ass would have been playing, hopping to the next team. Which one could I get a ring this you would still be Miami got there He the team he jumped on Confidence coffee. No, hey, but look over guys you some

Why is this a topic y'all acting like the go to football Really said he really believed that they going to the chip he'd do the same shit that we do when a little kid says hey i'm gonna make it to the nba yeah i'll see you in the future so you don't believe that you don't believe that when you tell a little kid yeah i'm gonna score you one day hey what is gonna happen to you kid like come on let's pretend that wasn't one of those man. You be pressing dreams like that We be picking them up. We just say whatever just a little shit up. Are you lie to children? Yeah, so he boy all I mean Have you told you gonna get that you have future basketball?

NBA Is you lied to him? Come on. I'm going to be in the NBA when I grow up. You can probably play overseas. That sounded just like that, didn't it? He'd be like, I'm going to play in the NBA. I mean, he is New England, so he is a Patriot, so Boston, so he could be throwing in a little like, yeah, we'll see. I believe in your talent, man.

He ain't watched not one game of no goddamn New York. I believe y'all going to be good. I see that in your future. I believe in your talent. I believe in your talent. So Tom Brady was lying. Yeah, he in your future. I believe in your talent. I believe in your talent. So Tom Brady was lying. Yeah, he was cappin'. It wasn't cappin'.

He just says the same thing that you say to the little people down there. The little people. Damn. The little people. How about I talk to Mayweather? Yo, I'm, hey, May, I'm about to start boxing right now, man. Hey, man, good on your future, man. That's gonna be good.

That's gonna be good. I can see some good things in you. Knowing damn well, you know, I'm about to get mopped out. I can see some good things happening. He actually said that to me. He says two years you'd be heavyweight to Rashad Into our summer league run you made the announcement that you are a Knicks fan

You put a lot of thought into that decision. Do you feel like the Knicks have what it takes with this roster to get to the finals? I'm not even saying win the finals, but to be the best team in the Eastern Conference and reach the NBA finals, the Adam Silvers NBA. Yeah, shout out to Leon Rose, William Wesley. Shout out World Wide West. Tibbs, you know what I'm saying? All the Nova Knicks.

I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I mean, the East is going to be better to watch. I mean, a little bit. A lot of it. A lot of it. Mathurin's coming back for the Pacers. There's a lot of things that's happening.

Who's top five in East right now? No order, just five teams. Boston Bucks. Good. Philly. Good, Knicks. Good. Who is that for? Indiana.

Five? Indiana or Magic. We'll go with Indiana for now. Okay, now West Coast. Mavs, Nuggets,huh. Minnesota. Uh-huh. I thought Lakers in there just... No, what's it? Suns.

Suns. This might be the... For the first time, yo, this might be the most... Without Googling this shit, this might be the most balanced on both sides. Right? Yeah. I mean, just like last year, I didn't know who was going to win it. Right.

That's why I said with the Knicks, it's a toss-up. If they play hard and they play good, they can make it to the conference finals. It's surprising. Game seven. I mean, their fans are crazy. And then the East will be like, eh. Like, for the most part, you got five good teams in the East. Knicks, game seven, no Julius Randle, janky OG Ananobi, no Mitchell.

Shout out OG fan of the show, Salman Vegas. Oh, they do got OG, huh?obi. No Mitchell. Shout out OG fan of the show, Salman Vegas. Oh, they do got OG, huh? Yeah. No OG, no Mitchell. But that Brunson-Randall-OG combo was 12-2 before Julius Randall went down. You add Miguel Bridges. Added Miguel Bridges. I bought in Dante DiVincenzo, Joshua.

We already said it'd be good. We're going to be good. Every time the Knicks come up. We're going to be good. Every time the Knicks come up, your tone changes a little bit. His tone changes. I haven't forgotten when you walked out, Gil. I have not forgotten.

He got me some chips. Didn't he? Didn't bring me a bag. He ain't don't stop. Didn't bring me a bag. He ain't don't stop. Last season. He got some snacks.

Last season? And then you got the. They got a top seven. Usually they don't have top sevens. In the East. You're saying top seven team in the East? Or top seven usually they don't have top sevens in the east you're saying top seven team in the east then you still got Cavs and you got

Magic if that's the top seven in the west you got Sacramento maybe the Lake New Orleans there's 14 legit teams now. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

That's good. It's a toss-up. It's gonna be a toss-up this year and next year. There's gonna be some good basketball. Oh, yeah. Out of 30 teams, you got 14 that are good. That's 14 that are good? That's good NBA. That's good NBA basketball. Even like eighth and 17, you be like, eh, them motherfuckers are all right.

But even the bottom-feeding teams are trying to accumulate some play hard. Show up and give you a run for your money. It ain't no lay. It's only like a couple of lay-down teams. Detroit was like a lay-down team. But they'll be. Wizards. Charlotte Hornets.

Portland. Them three. Portland. Because even the Spurs got better. Maybe a little bit. The Jazz a little bit. Like Detroit had had their legs open but they was fighting it it was fighting it you know what are you doing don't no no no what you boy Wizards was like, yeah, just get it. Oh my. Just get it. Do you. And well, Portland was like.

Hey, come on, just do you. At least Detroit was fighting over it. They gave it up. Portland was on all fours over there. Yeah. They was looking back. Hey, you got the Hennessy? You got the Hennessy and the hot chips?

What? The hot chips and the Cheetos. The hot chips and the Cheetos. The Cheetos. Hennessy and hot Cheetos. Hennessy and hot Cheetos is nasty. They got the Hennessy and the hot chips. They got the Hennessy and the hot chips.

They got the Hennessy and the hot chips. They got the Hennessy and the hot chips. They got the Hennessy and the hot chips. They got the Hennessy and the hot chips. They got the Hennessy and the hot chips. They got the Hennessy and the hot chips. They got the Hennessy and the hot chips? What? The hot chips and Cheetos. Hennessy and hot Cheetos. Hennessy and hot Cheetos is nasty. You got the hot chips and Cheetos. Diabolical. Get your ass on that toilet.

On that toilet. That brown gonna be just doo-doo-doo. With his legs shaking. Shaking. I don't know how we got here. No, no, no. I'm just saying. I don't know how we got here. No, we just hopped back.

At least Detroit, that might be the girl that get a boyfriend, don't call you no more. Facts. Right? She was a whole last year. I don't think she's going to be a whole this year. She got better. Yeah, she got better. She got up there.

You'll find out. Her information is going to come out. All right. She went back. We definitely going to find out about you. We going to find out about you. She went to church a little bit. Like, yo, I got a boyfriend.

Click me. Damn. All you got to do is date her and post her. Date her and post her. Wizards still holding. They're going to hold. They're going to be straight back page fitted out. Ain't nothing changed.

We asked the chat, did Knicks do enough to get to the Eastern Conference Finals? 60% of the chat believes that they did. They say yes. Last question here. You guys talked about the parody across the league 14 teams that you could qualify as legit contenders. We've had a different champion in six straight seasons. Hmm. Well this year be soon a Different champion the last six season different Great NBA all that shit they talking that's a good NBA. That's a great NBA. All that shit they talking. That's a good NBA because everybody is switching and changing

so nobody can stay dominant. So will we see a seventh different champion? So that makes it a good NBA. That means that LeBron actually did something good for the league. LeBron didn't do it, man. He allowed the league to grow. Technically, KG started it. No, no, it, man. He allowed the league to grow. Technically, KG started it. No, no, no, no.

Technically, Car Malone started it. Technically. When everybody, when he decided to go to the Lakers, to team up, then Gary Payton seen that, then he jumped ship, then everybody jumped in the Lakers, and they was that just... But Car Malone GP-old at that point.

They have his 20! As old men. They went to the finals, though. Yeah, they did go to the finals. They went to the finals. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. But I'd rather give LeBron that credit. Hold on.

Of course you do. Yeah, let's give LeBron that credit. You don't want to deprive him of credit. Just give him the credit. Before... Bill Bronsley. I'm going to give Boston. Gary Payton averaged...

Like 28? 20.8, then 19.6 in seven assists, and then he joined the Lakers. Damn. Carmel, I believe you're 19. I don't give a fuck what year it is. I'm just saying. Let me see what he averaged.

A buck is a bucket. Yeah, yeah. I don't give a fuck. I don't want you 40 when y'all niggas keep bringing up age and shit. Shit. That's a bucket right there. 12 and 9 rebounds. No, he averaged 20.

The year before? Yes. 20 and 7 rebounds. So you had two people who averaged 20 points a game jump on. That's not hurt. But only play five games, if I'm not mistaken. Who? Am I tripping? Nah. He played 81 games. I nah he played 81 I'll just play up yeah what you tripping

Ross that he just didn't make the all-star game average average 13 to 9 average 21 and I'm talking about before 21 and they what they left the gold chase a ring 21 21 8 and 5 assists a year before then I was 13 and nine. Damn, you niggas was hootest. They don't even talk about that. I can see why they don't talk about it because it brings up other stuff that has nothing to do with what we talking about. But 20 and nine at 39 played 81 games. Like people don't talk about this niggas in this league that did that. He's 39 averaging 20 in the era where defense is defense.

Why don't they put Karl Malone on that little stat when they talk about all the players that played over the age of 39 and they average a certain amount of points? They only put Dirk and Vince and all them. They only average seven. Karl averaged 20. Because she wasn't 20. Mm.

And on that note, let's move to Mostly Fans. Hey, hey, hey. I didn't say that. I'm just... Presented by Underdog Fantasy. Do yourself a favor. Download the Underdog Fantasy app. Use promo code GIL.

Get up to $1,000 in bonus cash. Plus, you know what? A special pick-em. Listen, tomorrow I'm canceling myself, so y'all don't got to do it. So we have a question for myself Yeah, you know Started and ended very questionably You can't laugh I'm not saying nothing okay, so we got a question from underdog user Henny and ice Rank these as the best score.

Mello, KD, Harden. KD, Mello, Harden. KD, Mello, Harden. Or KD. You said the best score? Best career. Not peak, career. So Mello, 23 points per game is career. One-time scoring champ.

Tenth all-time in scoring. KD, 27. 23 points per game. His career, one-time scoring champ. 10th all-time in scoring. KD, 27.3 points per game, which is 6th all-time. You already ranked him for it. Four-time scoring champ. 8th all-time in scoring. But I'm just telling you your personal opinion. Your preference. I'm going KD, 1.

Yeah. It's just 7-foot. You can't guard it. It's crazy because I want to see. I mean, it's like, all right, Melo averaged what? 23. For his career, 23. In an era where it was a lot of defense,

motherfuckers can zone you and all that stuff. So it's really, like, if he was playing in an era like this, could he possibly average about 34, 35? Yeah. I mean, how he played the game, yeah. Um... The fact that KD and James Harden's in this era, I mean, James Harden, I mean...

You can't... you can't... take away what he did and... Yeah, I don't know. I'm going KD, James, Melo. Yeah, James shit was crazy. I mean, but... to me, Melo deserves... deserves one because he can do more. He has more tier-level scoring.

I just think that KD has done more compared to Melo being able to have the potential to do more. Because he could post up midi three. He could do all of that thing. So his potential to score more points would be more than KD and James. But I think just KD being, like you said, hype. KD turning and shooting over you. There ain't too much you can do about it.

Dimensional, like James Harden is the limited in his dimension, but the dimension he was in, goddamn. Ooh, Lord. Jesus Christ. Yes, sir. Different, different. Good luck. Different, different. You know it's bad when they change rules.

Like, you know, like, when people talk about, like, elite scoring, when they change a rule to take away your ability, no one gives them credit for that. Right? You are complaining about rules because of how good he was. You can't take away James Harden. You changed the... He changed the offensive game to the point where the fans don't like bait filing.

How many travels are you going to take? The step back, step back. Like, he created... He created shit that wasn't... He created the zero step because they didn't know what the fuck that was. The gather step.

The gather step and the zero step is two different things. He created both of them. Forget about the Euro that he threw in there. The Euro with the zero. And then forget that he was uber athletic.

Niggas forget that James Harden had a fucking 38-39. And that's one thing. What? That nigga could jump out the gym. That's why he deserves the elite status. Because he was so dynamic that he didn't even have to use all his skills. What's so funny is he was reconsidered a talent that has skill because he used his skill. He never used. He just use all his skills. What's so funny is he was considered a talent that has skill because he used his skill.

He never used his talent. He didn't use his jumping ability. He was like, you know who else was like that too? Fucking Brandon Roy. I was thinking of Brandon Roy. He used his skills. Brandon Roy didn't use his jumping ability and he was one of those

dudes that you would jump with and then find out he had a 40. Absolutely. He'd be like, oh, no. Oh, no. Who didn't tell me this? Wow. Him, Dame Litter, you didn't know he had a 40.

Man. The way they played a game, you didn't know they were that athletic. Yeah. Who are you taking, T-Mac or James Harden? With the first pick? I'm taking T-Mac. Who are you taking?

You know, I'm going with James. James came in, third pick, a year all that like he was that's just me but I Understand how y'all feel about T Mac. No. No, I mean the only reason I'm saying I'm gonna take T Mac is He did like he played He played the game so you can post him up you can bring him off screens You can put him off pin downs you can flare him like so he didn't necessarily need to Sit there with the ball the whole time like when he got going and people was trapping him

Didn't he bring the ball up? But for the most part he was I saw and he was coming off doubled pin downs And he was like he was playing more like a clay Thompson type of style too. So he did he had a whole well-rounded basketball game so if I have, if you have James Harden, you have to designate the team around how he plays. With T-Mac, you can put anybody on the team. So you can

put him with Kevin Durant and Curry. And he's fine. Because he's going to be, he can turn into Clay. And then at the end Okay. Because he's gonna be, he can turn into Clay. Yeah. And then at the end of the game, you can just say, Iso. Yeah.

So I just, I just because of the well-roundedness. Gotcha. All right, last one. Pam Grier or Halle Berry? Brandon, did you, did you watch cinema prior to 1996? Yeah. Okay. I know, I know Jackie Brown. Okay. Pam Grier or Halle Berry?

I'm going Halle Berry, okay. I know I know Jackie Brown. Okay, Pam Greer or Halle Berry I'm gonna Halle Berry dog I'm all cool for the afros and stuff. But back then Back then, you know being a natural woman. That's yeah, I'm cool I'm cool. I'm not saying I'm not saying like the bush on the bush. No, I'm not saying No, I'm not saying that that's what the styles was but back then that looked like that was the style But you know the but the bush the bush the bush. I'm cool Okay, I got my own here will never was cold, but I know number she was cool. You know, she was cool killer talent No talent. Okay for talent. No, but they both talented. Yeah. Yeah, Holly Berry Holly Holly Holly Berry

Holly Berry They'll build it both talented. Yeah, yeah holly berry holly holly holly berry Holly berry I would just have to drink that well, you gotta be in that or fish Well, you got to be in that era like I mean she was attending her era. So that she's a 10 Skip to my Lou or hot sauce and one of my and one oh and one We're not talking about what they did for the culture of and one. Skip to my loop. Skip to my loop. Me too.

What they did for the. For and one. Like, I'm just. If they was to line it up. When volume three came out. If they was to line it up. If they was to line it up. Skip to my loop is probably.

Waxing. Yeah. Because he was a basketball. An entertainer. Entertaining the crowd, though. Entertaining the crowd. I mean, that's what and one is. That's what I said.

And one wise. We skipping down the court. I? I mean, that's what N1 is. That's what I said, N1-wise. We skipping down the court. I mean, no, that's fine. Skip is skipping. You talking about entertaining the crowd? When Skip skips? When hot sauce came down. But you know what the real thing was with Skip?

Skip was a basketball player first. And if you look at how he played the game, he didn't carry the ball. Like, the skip, he don't, like, all the things, his spin, like, he had a phenomenal spin. All his moves was

guideline, so he could play no matter what kind of basketball and still be Skip to Malou. Hot Sauce was Hot Sauce on that, what's the name? But who was he in the basketball realm?

So Skip was Skip both ways. So Skip did the same shit in the NBA that he did. I'm not talking NBA. I'm just talking about strictly just on the streets of playing. What M1 is known for. Pulling up. Hot Sauce versus Skip. Yeah. I mean,

y'all generation gonna say Skip because he's the first one started me I'm gonna say hot sauce cuz that's when and one took it. I mean, but they both They both let if they both put like this if they both was matching up each other And then one game. I don't know who gonna come down 50 on them I don't think hot sauce can even see you're like that can't score like that. He can't score like that. But it ain't about always scoring. It's about all sorts of things. Okay, you did a whole bunch of moves and I got 50. Right. But it's like you got to play defense against me.

Hot sauce can't score like that. Yeah, see, I don't know. I mean, if you're just going there for who's going to rock the crowd, it'll be hot sauce. He was going to be a crowd rocker. Skip. And I'm still going with Skip. And I'm still going with Skip. Like, I'm even taking like Professor.

Professor was a basketball player. So when he finishes all his stuff, he going, nah, I can shoot a regular motherfucking jump shot. You know what I mean? I can do it. That's a part of the crowd too. Like the crowd going to go crazier if you finish the shot. Compared to if you knock a nigga down and you

knock that shit. I ain't going to lie, when Hot Sauce came down, that motherfucker came on the seat. Mother seat motherfucker. Here that you did the moonwalk Nigga got putt. Hey, this is got plus in the playground. Shut it up. Be coming in with that dumb shit Did you just hit me in the head with the bomb? Everybody did this. Extra long to you. Okay, his impact, like, you can't take away the impact he did for street ball. I mean, both of them.

That's what I just said, but you have to choose one. His, to elevate it to another level, okay, you can say it was hot sauce because he made it popular. He popularized what and one looked like. Skip is going to be the most legendary and one guy because he's the one who made it to the NBA.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, yeah. On that note, was New York New York? Me, yes. Was Mulberry an N1 guy, or did he just sign with N1? No, it was his sponsor, yeah. Was he an N1 player? He was never.

So he wasn't like Skip Nim. No. Okay, okay. So Skip is the first and only NBA. Yeah. Okay. And he played at all levels. He played overseas.

He played, like, at every level. He played at Fresno, he had a few balls. Damn. Shout out. Okay. Ready for Austin.

Skip, come on, look. He's a go. He's a hooper. That's what I'm saying. He's a hooper. Skip, you got to pull up to the show. And he went to college, too.

And he went to college. Fresno State crews. Like, that's what, I think that's what a lot of, like, even the jelly people, they didn't understand. Like, when you're watching someone watch Skip, because he's the one who made it all the way through.

Like, he's the one who made it all the way through. So when you're talking about following somebody, you got to follow. Like, look at his and one game, look at this. And you can see, oh he played on the regular rule He understood the game. Yeah, he just freaked it out. Just freaked it out remix that tinsley was Tinsley was a right there bro both of them If tinsley wasn't playing after I was saying he in the street ball making that shit the led nasty On that note good place to wrap up for the day. We appreciate

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