Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Details How Luka & Kyrie Will Bounce Back

Episode Date: June 11, 2024

Gil's Arena Details How Luka Doncic & The Dallas Mavericks Can Bounce Back in the NBA Finals as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew break down the Mav's 2 losses to open up the series and analyze how Luka's 4th quarter struggles and lack of help from his Maverick teammates are sinking the NBA Finals. They also break down how the Boston Celtics' offseason additions of Kristaps Porzingis & Jrue Holiday have swung the series in favor of the C's before giving their pick for Finals MVP 2 games into the NBA Finals. Next, they discuss the WNBA's rapid growth this season and debate if there's more behind the league's rise in popularity than the Caitlin Clark effect before finally having a discussion on the state of the Lakers after Dan Hurley embarrassingly turned down their offer to be the next head coach and debate what this means for the LeBron James Era in the purple & gold. Please consider giving us a like and subscribe!!! Today's Crew - Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Gil’s Arena premieres every Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $250 in Bonus Cash AND A Special Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Use Code GIL for Up To $100 Off an Aura Watch & 30% off Straps - https://aura.watch/gilsarena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/@GilsArena Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! - https://discord.gg/underdog APPAREL PARTNERS TUFF CROWD: https://www.tuffcrowd.com/ ADIDAS: https://www.adidas.com/us/agent-gil-restomod-basketball-shoes/ Gr8ness: https://www.gr8nss.store/ CHAPTERS: Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:05 KD Trolls A Fan 0:07:33 Steph Playing Pick Up in Public 0:42:20 Rashad Was Right About The NBA Finals 0:51:27 Kristaps Porzingis Day-To-Day Injury 1:11:18 Expect A Different Kyrie In Game 3? 1:16:56 Finals MVP Through 2 Games? 1:35:33 Dan Hurley Pump Fakes The Lakers 1:55:22 Lakers Coaching Search Impact On LeBron 2:03:34 The WNBA's Massive Marketing Problem 2:13:17 MostlyFans 2:39:13 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Everybody good, what's cracking? It's a little somber right now. Thinking about this Lakers coaching search, I know I feel the same way. Who coming? Who we gonna get, Rob? Who we gonna get? Thinking about this Lakers coaching search, I know I feel the same way. Who coming? Who we going to get, Rob? Who we going to get? Why did Dan Hurley want us?

Oh, man. But this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. What up? Okay, we got the studio audience back. We got Mr. B, Brandon Jennings. Back in the arena. And we got Cemetery Larry, Rashad McCants, in the building.

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We're out here doing it. We're almost done with the season. But here's what's cracking in the arena today. We're two games into the NBA Finals with the Celtics holding a 2-0 lead. But who is the frontrunner for finals MVP so far? The Lakers got pump-faked by Dan Hurley, but how will their prolonged coaching search impact LeBron's future with the purple and gold? Damn, he got the gray hairs in his beard.

Time is running out. We need to figure this thing out. And the WNBA has seen unprecedented growth this season, but how much of that is actually the Kalen Clark effect? But before we get into all that, as always, the show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy. Help us help you. Download the app. Use promo code GIL. You can get up to $250 in bonus cash, plus a special pick-em. And we got the top picks for tonight.

Ton of WNBA action. So let's go through them. Asia Wilson, higher, 27.5 points. I can get down with that. Kalen McBride. My what? Asia Wilson, higher, 27.5 points. I can get down with that. Kayla McBride. Wait, what? Asia Wilson, higher, 27.5 points. Who are they playing?

Don't matter. They do. Asia Wilson. Who are they playing? It don't matter. 28 piece incoming. Minnesota. Minnesota Lynx, yeah.

I'll throw them Lynx on the grill. Ow. You're not rolling, Gil? I'll throw them links on the grill. How? You're not rolling, Gil? Do I have 28 against the links? She's been out here killing. Okay. Be supportive, Gil. Support the W.

Kayla McBride lowers 16.5 points. Ryan Howard. Kayla McBride. Gil, we're not going to do this today. Is it higher? Unprecedented growth in the W. Thanks to Gil's Arena. We have done our part.

McBride, right? Yes. It's the Gil's Arena effect. We have done our part. Shout out Angel McCautry. Ryan Howard, lower 14.5 points. And Cameron Brink, higher six rebounds. So three games on the slate tonight.

Mystics at the Dream, Sparks at the Storm, Lynx at the Aces. I know you'll be watching all three intently, Gil, as you get ready for Agent Shiro to make her transition to the W in the next four years. My W is a... Your WNBA app. I like them better than the men. You can see. They're more stable, their stats are stable. There's no real- No very-

There ain't no real big jump, right? Right. If- They gonna get you your- They gonna get you your brain. Lower on all. Lower on all? Except for the ones who like Asia, you know what I'm saying? Everybody that's gonna get the ball a lot.

Yeah. They got a chance, but everybody else is lower. I go with the ones that got no faces. On the card? On the card. They were like four and two. And then you look, she's like 17 minutes. I take the high.

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If you cannot watch with us on YouTube, we got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so let's get into it. After leaving the Cavs to go become a two-time champion with the Heat, LeBron returned to Cleveland to bring the franchise their first ever chip. But if Thunder fans have any aspirations of Kevin Durant doing the same thing for their franchise,

KD might have just gave them a reality check. So on Tuesday, a fan tweeted the following at KD, said, the only way KD can redeem his legacy is if he returns to the Thunder and wins them their first ever championship LeBron style. Then all his sins will be forgiven. We good? So obviously KD very active on social media. It is the off season. He responded with the following. He said, you ain't God. go get ready for work. Subtle, to the point.

KD got to be one of the best people on social media. I don't even say that's trolling. You're not his God. He had that thing with Perk after LeBron unfollowed Perk. They were acting like Jesus. LeBron was't follow Perk. They say he was acting like Jesus. Who, LeBron was acting like Jesus? Perk tweeted something about, you know, everybody didn't follow Jesus or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He said, you're in Jesus' book. You think we'll ever see a KD return to the Thunder at some point? They got the draft capital, the assets, the bread. It's not his home team. Close enough. No, I mean, first of The bread? It's not his home team. Close enough. No, I mean, first of all, he was drafted

by Seattle Washington. Right, so. A great city. I'm pretty sure. Fine people. Pacific Northwest. They moved to OKC, but he's from D.C.,

so, I mean, if he started with, you know, the Wizards, and then, you know, they was in a position, maybe. Maybe come back.

He don't have no real ties to OKC like that. Really? OKC not turned up like that? They got a great crowd? Applebee's? What if they did? Putting up cupcakes and all that stuff?

Nah, that's unforgivable. They burned LeBron's jersey in Cleveland. He came back. But that's where he's from. He's from Akron, Gil. Same. Close enough. 40 minutes away.

It ain't really rocking. LA la you from the valley same shit This way was all the way wrong though. He shouldn't have said LeBron style Like when he said LeBron style I kind of just threw it all off by irked him a little bit like you know since like Yeah, if you do it like LeBron will save you it's like Katie ain't on that like Katie ain't doing that ain't going nowhere Huh ain't going nowhere. We got boot and h going nowhere. He got a boot and hoser? He got? No, it ain't about none of that. It's just like, you move again, it's...

It's what? It's a sin at this point. Blasphemy. Why? Because you're chasing something. You don't need to chase nothing. You cement it. You just need to chill and retire.

Accumulate, try to get there again. You don't need to be moving around. What you moving around for? So retire in Phoenix? Yeah. Leave it all there. Ain't no reason to move nowhere else, bro. Unless they move him. Unless they don't want him. So KD's got a lot of criticism in recent years for bouncing around, but does he get too much criticism for leveraging his power to play wherever he wants?

This is a player empowerment era. I don't think so because, you know, if the pass had the leverage, they would have too. If you look at some of them during their contract years, it's like they played good enough to be looked at by other teams, but they didn't want to play for the team that they were playing for because that team wasn't paying them. So that was some of the players in the 80s type of era where they thought they was worth something, you're not paying me, so I'm going to play good enough for them to see that I'm still valuable, but I'm not fucking with y'all like that so a lot of stats are misconstrued from that era and then you know the 90s people people who wanted out said they

wanted out it just wasn't it just wasn't polarized back then right it just wasn't you know The way contracts are built now is for reason right they they didn't want you to leave your team So they put a big penalty on it right you got now you got four years here Three years somewhere else and there's this big big gap of money So if you were gonna leave and go to another city, you got penalized really heavy So if a player leaves he's really leaving a lot He's really leaving a lot. You know, the sign-in trade is a whole different thing because you know You're signing me for whatever I want and then you're pushing me to a team that I want. That's

That's that's on owners So do you want to walk a little more? I believe solely that all of this is LeBron James fault There's a Miami move Well look at the dynamic Where when you get traded is the team not wanting you or wanting to leverage the asset that they feel that you are And when you decide to lead a team, this is you saying you don't want to be here You want to explore the market? All right so now everyone feels like The example of leadership from that standpoint is LeBron because he did it in the biggest

moment in history Where he's going into free agency he gets to go wherever he wants to so for KD he's just doing what he's seen done so he gets penalized for because now he's bouncing around because he didn't get to do what LeBron did the first time around LeBron won two championships from that first decision yeah so well actually he did KD got two champions from that same decision so he actually benefited from doing what LeBron did and that is what

shows you that it works in this market but it's all because he started he he didn't start it because we can't never say like Gil just said it has been done before but in our era We never seen it as polarized and acceptable as just saying I'm gonna hit the free market And I'm gonna figure out where I want to go and if I don't like it there I'm figure out where else I want to go Kyrie James Harden guys could just pick up and go when they want but what it does to your legacy is it questions your Loyalty to the game loyalty to the is it questions your loyalty to the game.

Loyalty to the game or to the team? To the game. Well, my loyalty is to the game because I'm still playing. Well, you're still playing, but your circumstances to the game is dictated whether or not you like where you are, not how well you're going to play where you are. I mean, it's the same. I mean, well, the teams, they get rid of you when they feel like you're not doing this or...

Not producing. You're not an asset. So they're not loyal either. So why would I be loyal to a team? But I'm loyal to the game, though. That's what I'm talking about, the game, not the team, because the team is not loyal to you.

Right, so I am loyal. But the game is loyal. The game is always going to be loyal. So he didn't cheat the game. No, he didn't cheat the game. So he's loyal to the game, though. He's just not loyal to... Oh, he's not? Cheating the game and being't cheat the game. No, he did cheat the game. So he's loyal to the game, though. He's just not loyal to the game. Oh, he's not.

Cheating the game and being loyal to the game is not the same. How is he not loyal to the game? Because the reason why the question, the original question, is his flack from jumping team to team. Well, leveraging his power to do that. So, okay. Does the team, is there any responsibility for it? We always use the player for leaving.

Is there no responsibility on the team itself? Right? When Kobe did it, when he used his power and said, hey, I want out. Send me to Chicago. And when he pulled that move, the team responded. All right, all right, okay. We're going to keep everybody better. We're going to keep us better.

Right? When he did it, cool. Right? When LeBron said, hey, I'm trying to build a championship. I'm in my year. And he goes. And they're like, nah, we don't want to spend any money. Go.

So him leaving, that's why you're blaming him. It's the two assets. The two assets. The team felt this asset was strong enough to oblige him. I'm going to give you what you want. The other team didn't feel the same way. Okay, so don't get mad for me leaving. No one's getting mad if you leave.

But you can't use my legacy against me because they didn't. I have two dudes who want to play here so we can build a dynasty, and you're saying, nah, we're good. I just bought this team for this much money. I'm not expending nothing. This championship is not worth it for me financially right now,

so I'm not going to expend it. You want Chris Bosh and D. Wade, I got Mike Aroni and Tony. What we've been doing right now, going to the Eastern Conference, that looks good. We're maxing out. So no thank you.

So he leaves. When Giannis does it, hey, I'm a free agent. What we doing? Somebody better be signed. And they do what they did. Right? So where would you have

like Braun to go? Because Cleveland couldn't do what you do, right? Nowhere. So stay loyal to the game. Stay loyal to the game. So he stays there and loses. Like,

come on. He's not going to, you don't know what he would have done. That's the point, but they don't know whether he would want to loss, but loyalty to the game is saying, all right, I threatened y'all.

Y'all responded. They didn't respond. What do you mean? They responded. I'm talking about in the Kobe situation. I threatened y'all. Y'all responded. They didn't respond. What do you mean they responded? I'm talking about in the Kobe situation. I threatened y'all. Y'all responded. Now I can stay loyal to the game.

I can stay loyal to the game. I don't have to cheat the game by copping out. I stay loyal to the game. And if we understand what the game is and the loyalty to the game is, I'm going to fight this shit until I get this shit. Even if I'm dealt a bad hand, even if I don't got the players that's going to accompany me to help me win this and that, I'm still going to stay down. Reggie Miller, stay down. So you think if Magic Johnson didn't have that Lakers team, you think he would have

stayed loyal to the Lakers? I don't know him. All I know is the people who have done and stayed loyal, regardless if they won or not, they never cheated the game. And none of them are in the top ten. No one thinks about them. They don't need to be that. They don't need to be none of that. But being loyal to the game is,

are you going to bounce around and change legacy? So wherever you get picked in the NBA, that's where you should stay, and that means you're loyal to the game. Unless the team doesn't need your asses and Then you can okay, so then okay, then I can move and then if I get in a better position Now you stay loyal to the game where you at? If the team move you because they don't need you right, but what if I move and then I start winning and then y'all say Oh, well, he made this move. So now my legacy that's a different conversation now

You're saying look. Okay, so the the the the business part How are you holding so much power on the player himself when the person who pays the check and really makes a decision is business for them They're not loyal to the game. They're loyal to their pockets. So how can I be loyal to the game? Itself if you're not loyal to it The person who writes the checks is you're paying me to play and I'm playing and all I need to do is go out there And prepare for the game and I'm doing that and I I'm saying, hey, I want to win a championship.

I was trained to win. And he's like, well, I don't give a fuck about you winning. You're selling seats. You by yourself. I'm making money. That's it. That's a part of business where you control your controllables. You only control what you can control.

And if you can't control what the organization doing on the business side You can't control coming in every single day staying loyal to the game. You said it control the controllables I can control when I'm a free agent to go where I see fit for my legacy. Mm-hmm So now you're mad that they're controlling the controllable Because I can't control who you're gonna buy. I can't make you spend your money But if you don't want to Because I can't control who you're going to buy. I can't make you spend your money. But if you don't want to spend, I can control my next destiny. And that's what these players are doing.

Well, if their destiny is just chasing legacy and running from team to team, then let them do that. But from my perspective, that's not you being loyal to the game. When we say cheat the game, the game will cheat you. I think we all know what that means when you cheat the game. But business-wise, you can't control what they do up there. You can only control what you do down here. So down here, if I'm going to prepare like a professional and show up every game and do what I need to do,

and we still don't win, and it's because the business is bad, they're gonna have to either see me as an asset or liability to get rid of me. But I'm gonna do what I need to do to take my team over the top regardless of the pieces that I have. So you respect Reggie Miller's legacy over LeBron's? Yeah. Yeah. Because Reggie didn't have nowhere near the pieces LeBron had during his journey.

And I think that if Reggie would have had those pieces, his legacy would have been... During his journey before LeBron left, you're saying LeBron's... I'm talking about LeBron's journey. LeBron's before he left. Before he left. So that means before he went to Miami, you're saying the teams LeBron's journey. LeBron's, before he left. Before he left. So that means before he went to Miami, you're saying the teams LeBron had, you're saying Reggie, those LeBron teams was better than Reggie Miller's teams? I didn't say nothing like that. You just made that up.

You just said that. He asked me the question. I didn't say it. He just answered it. He said, do I respect Reggie Miller's legacy over LeBron? And then he said, Reggie did it with less talent than LeBron. Didn't he say something like that? No. No, he said he just respected the way he did it.

No, he just made it. But did you say Reggie had less pieces than LeBron? He has less pieces. I know he said something like that. Oh, yeah. He had less pieces. It had nothing to do with the time frame. And when all of LeBron's 20 years, he's had a lot of different pieces to help him win.

Yeah, because he got four rings. I'm talking about Reggie's legacy as a whole with LeBron's before he leaves. We're talking about leaving. But you just made that up. We didn't even talk about leaving. We're just talking about the whole entirety of Reggie Miller's journey. He didn't have pieces that he could use to win a championship, but he wrote it out.

What you're saying, players should be loyal to whatever team picks them. No, loyal to the game. What does that mean? It means that the game is going to allow you to do what is necessary to put your team in position to win regardless of what hand you're dealt so what if they don't then i have to move on right it's a part of the game right but i'm still staying loyal to the game are you yeah because i have to keep going like i'm not stopping like i'm not i'm not going to stop and being stuck like i have to keep going like i have to

so is it about the reasons why you want to leave because they don't want to get better or they don't want to do the things to help us win so when you start chasing and you still don't win and what's that saying but a lot of people not chasing and just asking the quote I mean so if you keep moving and you still don't win what is it that you're doing are you cheating the game when you chasing chip chips are you what are you doing? I'm trying to get myself in a better position. I'm just trying to kick knowledge

to the biggest, man. I'm just trying to get in a better position. That's all. You're trying to get into a spiritual journey the past few days. I don't think you're unloyal

to the game, though, because of that. Because of what? Like, being unloyal is like quitting or just... Yeah, I don't know. Like, that's... Not preparing.

Yeah, not preparing. Not using your talent. Like, seriously. What's quitting? Quitting is just like, I'm done. Yeah, not like not a talent like what's there? Quitting is just like I'm done like I'm done take out a lot of the South Beach. No, no quitting this I don't want to play that's me. I'm not preparing relocate relocate. I'm not preparing I'm not taking my talents are winning. We're gonna win five six seven chips down here and then I got a little Leave on the loss. Yeah Then return everybody got her return

Then you and then you win right Then you leave on another loss. So someone who goes to the gym and so there you leave on another loss So someone who goes to a gym, I know that's not quitting but I'm just saying what is it if it's not quitting, but I'm just saying, what is it if it's not quitting? It's relocating. I'm just moving around. You're just moving around. I'm just moving around. That's all. I'm just moving around. I'm just asking questions, bro. The international movement.

I'm just making a statement. I'm just asking questions, man. He's not cheating the game, but he's here 20 years in, putting the same effort he did as a rookie, coming to the gym at 1 o'clock. So you don't respect that work ethic but you respect someone who wins championships that half-assed it right because they was on great teams i'm trying to figure out which one is loyal to the game itself the game itself preparation film work like training study and taking care of your body Isn't that what loyalty to the game is?

I'm pretty sure everybody got their own definitions of it. But me personally, I just... When you loyal to the game, there ain't gonna be no quit. There ain't gonna be no change. It's gonna be, man, we gonna figure this shit out. We gonna figure this shit out, because this is my shit. And I'm not leaving my shit to go join somebody else's shit. Because I can't get it done. Or they can't get it done.

No, they. Or they can't get it done. Because we got there. He got there with them, right? They can't get it done. In the fight with the Spurs, right? They got swept. Of course, they ran against him. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So I got to... I? So can you help me? I? Yeah, for sure. They got swept. Of course, they ran against him. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So I got a...

I? So can you help me? I? Yeah, for sure. Is it we? I mean... Is it we or is it me? I mean, listen, man.

You can go we. Is it we or is it me? I mean, listen, we can go we, but at that time... I'm asking you... It was him. I'm asking simple questions. It was him. Is it me or is it we?

It was him. It's we. Okay. So if it's not we we then you can move around Okay, well so you're telling me that It reminds me he reminds me of you remember smoky When his mother gave him a dollar and he said this ain't enough make it enough so Right, sometimes you got

You a dollar to say, make it, make it enough. How long can he try to make it enough before he say, yo, can I get an actual enough to do this? So you're giving me nothing and then get mad that I leave because you don't want to give me nothing. This man over here said, hey, we're going to give you something to win a championship. Okay, cool. Because dudes right here ain't give me no nothing. You know why Smokey Mama gave him a dollar and told him make it enough? Why?

Because he got some money in his pocket to make it enough. So you know he's selling dope. I know you can make it enough, nigga. Make it enough. So you want me to be the player, the GM, the owner of everything? No, no, no. I just want you to make it enough. How? My job is to play basketball. Because I gave you a dollar. My job is to play basketball.

How much is it going to cost? Five? So you want me to get... I know you got five dollars. Who was coming to Cleveland at that time? Nobody. Who was coming to Cleveland at that time? Nobody. Everybody said no.

Nobody was going to... Everybody. Everybody was going to Cleveland, dog. Bosch said no. Nobody was going to Cleveland. Wade said no. We don't need them two niggas if I'm LeBron James. I don't need Wade and Bosch coming here.

Who else do I... I need something. Get somebody else. There's about 200 other motherfuckers that you can choose from. Michael Jordan needed Scottie Pippen to win. It ain't even about that. They needed LeBron James to come down. It ain't even about that.

That was the biggest free agency going on. The teams that were dominant then was them and Orlando. That's when Orlando had a young Dwight. They had Lewis. They had Lewis They had I think Vince was still there right or was that Turks first or was Turk a little yeah, so that team was Brewing over there. I think they would did he just go to the championship or yeah So you got that team there right building then you got New York with all the money all the free

agents was up all of them none wanted to come to Cleveland but everybody else is building so if he did not have anybody come with him he would have been solo moving forward because Bosch and Wade was already together. So now him by himself. So Bosch was already going to Miami. With the Boston crew, obviously. Yeah, with the Boston crew already there, with all those free agents. You don't know if Boozer would have added with him. You don't know what was going on there.

So if he wouldn't have done anything then, he probably couldn't have won a championship for another four or five years because everybody was still young enough. New York was building. Orlando was in perfect spot then you still had uh boston shit did you still fucking lakers is coming who was he had the team who was going to nobody but nobody was going to be rolling out of all that shit he just said lebron still made it to the fucking finals when he talked about the year that still made it to the fucking finals. When? He's talking about the year that they lost to the Spurs in the finals.

4-0. 0-7? Yeah. What about 0-8, 0-9? We're talking about 0-8, 0-9. We're getting to be by Boston. That's what he's talking about, though. We're talking about the free agency. He's talking about 0-7.

Yeah, free agency. Why would you leave when we just made the finals? Why you ain't staying? We got there. When they lost the... No, they didn't make the finals when they lost to Boston. They lost to Boston. No, 07. He stayed there.

What do you mean? He didn't leave until 2000. He's talking about the year he was a free agent. I'm talking about all the years. That's what I'm saying. What do you mean all the years? He was there all the years. Yeah, he was there all the years.

He stayed three more seasons. He stayed three more seasons. But you're saying all the seasons dominated. What happened to the last season? You're saying all the seasons dominated. Lost to the sem last season? You're saying all the other teams dominated. Lost in the semis. Lost in the semis to who? Celtics. He lost in the semis to Boston.

Then, look at Orlando's team that year. That didn't scare him. Who was that? That didn't scare him. Huh? It didn't matter. None of those teams scared him. Orlando went to the finals.

None of those teams scared him because he still made it. They went to the finals, though. It's not about what they did. It was about what were they going to get versus everybody who was free. That was the problem. You got to wait, LeBron. That was the problem. You got to wait.

He was by himself. Think of who's on the team. You win free agency, you resign, and you wait a couple years. Dwight, Vince, Rashard Lewis, Jameer Nelson. So look, say that team again. Dwight, Vince Carter vans for char Lewis Jameer Nelson So look so say that team again the white Vince Carter Rashard Lewis Jameer Nelson now you have that team now Think about all the free agents that was available. This was the hottest free agency market So if Orlando gets one free agent, can you pull up the they're in trouble? Now now read Atlanta's team

Think about Atlanta's team. Think about Atlanta's team that year. That's that Josh Smith? Yeah, Josh, Joe. 2009-10 Atlanta Hawks? Yes. Look how good they were. Now, what if they would have got fucking Bosh or Wade? They're on top.

So, Atlanta was. Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Josh Smith, Al Hartford. Look at that team. That young team. Now, if they would have gotten Bosh Al Hartford. Look at that team. That young team. Now, if they would have gotten the boss... Mike Bibby. Yeah, Mike Bibby. Mark Williams, them.

Their team, everybody... Jeff Teague. Everybody was one good piece away from going. 2009-10? Yeah. 2009-10? No, no, no. I know because I came in.

61-21. I'm Larry. I'm Larry. 61-21, he was the MVP of the league then. And that was the Miami year or Cleveland? That was the last year of Cleveland. Cleveland year. They won 61 games.

In a very tough Eastern Conference. Now, what are we talking about? Somebody said the time is a little bit here. If you listen to what I'm saying, he won 61 games. Now, what does everybody look like? So he can... What the fuck are we talking about? I mean, you have squads. You have squads, right?

Now, go to the free agency. Go to free agency that was that year. Let me pull it up. 2010 NBA free agents. LeBron, Dwyane Wade, Bob. Now, remove LeBron Jameswyane Wade by now now remove the remove LeBron James because he's he's gonna stay in Cleveland by himself because Bosch told them no we're not I'm not coming and Dwyane Wade I'm not coming

So that means you have the Wayne Wade free to roam wherever the fuck he wants to go and you have Bosch That's two names right there that landed if anyone landed in Boston Dynasty if anyone landed in Orlando Dynasty right if Bosch was in Orlando what happens with that team right if if Wade went to Orlando what happens with that team now? Keep going here's not keep going about going in there keep going dirt Yeah, I mean Joe Johnson Amari Stoudemire, Carlos Boozer, David Lee, Paul Pierce, Rudy Gay, Ray Allen. And if, now think about that team. If, if Dwight, I mean if.

All of those were the free agents? Hell yeah, all of them was the free agents. So they could pick where they wanted to go. Yes. And they ended up where they ended up. Nobody was doing it. No, no, no. But they ended up where they ended up.

Because nobody. Do you know where they ended up? No. Go. They did not go anywhere. Go. Who went? Who went? They didn't go anywhere. Go. Who went? Who went?

They didn't go anywhere. Who? Dirk stayed. Uh-huh. Yao Ming stayed. Uh-huh. Joe Johnson stayed with the... Uh-huh.

Of course. Amar Stoudemire went to the Knicks. Yes. Carlos Boozer signed with the Bulls. Uh-huh. So he left? David Lee signed and traded to the Warriors. So he left?

He was leaving? Uh-huh. Paul Pierce stayed with the Celtics. Of course. Rudy Gay stayed with the Grizzlies. Uh-huh. Ray Allen stayed with the Celtics leaving uh-huh up here stay with the self of course Rudy gay stay with the Grizzly. Mm-hmm Ray Allen stay with the Celtics. Mm-hmm. So keep everybody there now you have four free agents Name the four people who move boozer Amari

Bosch Wade And the way brawn is staying home Braun is staying home So you have these Four people that's on the move And not one of them Wanted to go to Cleveland Now if any of these four

Did any of these four Go to any If one of them go to Boston Boston's back on top If one goes to Orlando If two goes to Orlando Shit if three of them just go boston boston's back on top if one goes to orlando if two goes to orlando shit if three of them just go to miami since they have all the money what's boston well i mean um new york had all the money shit they could have got a bunch of them but they didn't

you're using a hypothetical they didn't because braun took his two and they teamed to fuck up that's why they're still that's. But that still doesn't make a point of saying that Cleveland would have got no free agency based on these niggas picking their teams when they had a 61-win season. You don't need pieces like them

to take it over the top. We just had 61 wins. We need LeBron James back. I need 61 wins. We need LeBron James back. We may pick up, even the free agents that y'all naming are high profile free agents. Yeah. Right?

We don't even need none of them. Because we didn't need them last year. To lose in the Eastern Conference. We didn't need them. We didn't go to the championship. They lost in the six months. We didn't go to the championship. We need a couple pieces.

What is a couple pieces? Like another Mo Williams or another- Another Mo Williams. another Marek. Another style role player. We need more style that can hit shots when we need them. I think, who was the other guy that they had? Another star. Pavlovich?

Who was that? Pavlovich. Pavlovich. Was he on that team? He was on that team, right? Hold on. Like guys like him, like I think Booby was on the team. Booby was on. Like, guys like him, like, I think Boobie was on the team. Who did they lose to?

They needed more reliance to die. They lost to the Boston Celtics. Boston Celtics. They lost to the Boston Celtics. What position did the Boston Celtics need at that point? What, man? Because there were three top four men on the move and Boozer was moving Bosch was moving and Amari was moving it was already said they're moving no matter. They're not staying at home

So that means Orlando was looking for someone Boston was looking for someone and New York was looking for someone, Boston was looking for someone, and New York was looking for someone. Though Atlanta was cool with their team, but they were young, but if they would've got, instead of, they would've got Wade. That's a different team. Right?

You couldn't take no chance if you're LeBron James. Everybody's the same age as you. If Orlando would have got anybody, they struck out because LeBron took two big free agents with him. That's what he's not missing. Dwayne Wade was not going to go play with the fucking Orlando Magic. Who? Dwayne Wade. So where was he going to go?

He wasn't staying in Miami. He wasn't staying in Miami. Why not? Because they wasn't trying to win yet. Oh, my God. They just won Gilbert 2006 it's 2009. So what then what do you mean? They're not trying to win. We've already won. This is my County This is Dade Wade County. What do you mean? He's gonna win again?

Why would the Wayne way leave Miami after being a champion? Reviving a coach. And then go to Orlando. Are y'all sick? What are y'all talking about? You got a big pot of swerve? What are y'all talking about? Orlando was good. Bro, who gives a fuck how good they was? How was he going to get over there with nothing over there?

Why would I leave Miami to go play for Orlando? There's nothing in Miami. It's my team. I want to win again, though. Who did Dwayne Wade bring down? I want to win again. Who did he bring? When?

Who did he bring to Miami? When he first won it? No. Who did he bring to Miami in 2010? LeBron and Bosh. Okay. Did he move? Did he go anywhere?

It's Miami, though. Did he go anywhere? Did they go to another team in T-M wait how do you think the way wait Chris Ross is coming to Cleveland there they said no way not going nowhere Chris Bosch was the nigga that needed to find a place you know I'll be a historian I'll be a historian for this dude since he already has his narrative when Dwayne Wade Bosch and LeBron decided to team up when they decided to team up there was not playing in someone's city so they can all be

fresh so they were planning on moving together so they were planning on going in New York together and what happened is because they didn't tell anyone Dolan made a mistake by paying Amari Stoudemire. They didn't want to play with Amari Stoudemire because they had their own goddamn big three. So because New York fucked it up, they called Mickey and say, hey, Mickey, this is what we want to do. Can you make it happen? And then they had a meeting. They had a meeting and then made it work. If you knew what was going on then, you would have known New York dropped the ball because of Mike Miller. They offered Mike Miller all that money because they knew Mike Miller was part of the group. Miami stole him.

Haslam rejected his deal Once he got wind Took the pay cut Signed last to come back They were all moving together So you can change the narrative We know you don't like the dude Listen brother

The only reason I know Because I was in that era That's my era Can we pray 2009, 10, 11 Listen my brother That was the greatest movie ever made that sounds good but i remember d wade saying in his own podcast after seeing kobe win i had to call

these guys and say we we need to form a team yes yeah because we just said that thing kobe formed a team too right we just said that so so so d Wade Initiated hey, man. I Can't sit here and watch Kobe do what he doing Come fuck with me. Okay. Okay. Did you hear what I said? Yeah, okay what I say come fuck with me Where am I I'm in my no come fuck with me. Right? Okay, we're teaming up. Okay, they were gonna look Where is it gonna work? Where is it gonna work Steve New York work down here with me cuz ain't nobody down where were they going? Y'all come down fuck with me. What were they originally supposed to go worded worded new where did where did

LeBron have his press conference where they end up where did he supposed to have his press conference the press conference at the Boys and Girls Club in Greenwich, Connecticut, okay So he was in Connecticut not Miami right? Where Girls Club in Greenwich, Connecticut. Okay. Right outside of New York City. So he was in Connecticut. Not Miami, right? Where was he at? Greenwich, Connecticut. And where was he supposed to? What was his original?

It was supposed to be Allen Houston's house, right? Better than I would, yeah. It was supposed to be Allen Houston's house. He just wants you to agree with whatever he's saying, bro. Just disagree. I'm just asking. You're a New Yorker, so you heard. I used to live there at that time. Okay. So just asking you're a New Yorker. So you you heard

Okay And who Who dropped the beans on that was that was that Steven a distinct notice that we make it that a team up another new you your even they had the The Miami report pretty early. Yeah, and then Chris Broussard had it after that. Okay, so in the New York Psychopathy of brown I think I like it. I just work it. I mean it was a lot of New York You know your way in where does the Brian end up going Miami? All right, I just so I just told you to have a what does that have to does it nothing? I wasn't gonna get nobody come nothing. Listen, we just

Oh, that's false. Because he ended up getting. So you think those players. You know why? You know why? Because LeBron was in town for a wedding. No, I think he was in town for Mello's wedding. But you know why this is bullshit? Why?

You know why this is bullshit? Why? Because when LeBron went back to Cleveland, who did he get to come to Cleveland? When he went back? Yeah. Dwayne Wade. No. Did he get.

No, no. When he first got back, K-Love, right? No, I know what he's trying to say. Because he got New York. I'm asking questions, bro. I just asked questions. Everybody was on that guy. You can call me the question. I'm the question.

Come on. I'm the question. I just want to ask questions. Are we serious? He's saying that team? Did D-Rose come out there? Man, everybody. Everybody. Isaiah Thomas. Everybody was on that damn team. Everybody was hurt. Yeah. Everybody was hurt. That team did D Rose come to D Rose come out there man everybody everybody

Everybody Know nobody's coming to play with LeBron. Oh, I don't care You ask him you saying to me nobody's coming to play with LeBron and then they all do they didn't The hell did they come there and do they didn't come here to play basketball? All right. Well Wait, the way way wasn't going to Cleveland at the height of his career. Let's move around. He was staying at home, right? He was staying at home, right? He wasn't. Right? I just told you the story.

Let's move around. So speaking of playing basketball, Warriors season may have ended prematurely, but basketball never stops for Steph Curry. Curry's getting ready to play in his first Olympics next month. Recently took some time to play a little pickup with the comic folks. Shaq was 37 average 12. He didn't come to the win, does he? Y'all better relax.

He better relax. A dominant 12. A dominant 12. What am I going to do with this coach? Now we see why he left. We talk to Steph now. So Steph, Curry and Kent Bazemore put up to the Lifetime Fitness in Folsom, California, which is located in Sacramento County, to get a run in with some regular Reggies.

As expected, Curry took the competition, doing his thing. They did their best, though. Take that. Had a little bit for everybody. Whoever needed that work. So he also hit this bucket right here. Ooh, moved him. And hit him with the night-night. Moved him. A condensed version of it. So imagine your average hooper hitting the gym trying to get a run in and you

end up having to guard Steph Curry with a crowd of people watching you. Probably not the ideal way for a day to end. But I want to take you back to your hooping days when you were in the league. How often did you play pickup with amateur hoopers when you were in the league? Never? Amateur hoopers, whoever. Whoever? Anybody get that word?

Whoever. So I know you were loving the game. Never? Love of the game, but he ain't mean. He ain't that loyal to it. He ain't that loyal to it. He ain't that loyal to it. He ain't playing. I was trash. I was trash.

I was trash. I was trash. I wasn't out on the court. They wouldn't pick me when I was. That wasn't shit. I wasn't nobody. You were still putting up numbers. I ain't nobody.

You were still putting up numbers. I have no AKAs, no names. I ain't have no AKAs. You know what I'm saying? They ain't going to pick no. You ain't got no AKA. You can't get picked. You ain't got no a ka you can't get picked I just wins your shot jumpers rooms and I ain't get invited nowhere

Look, you know nobody you were invited to know right do none of that I ain't come out here in LA and do shit the big three They say using the summertime in Vegas when we handle summertime runs Joe Boone is on the mountain about everyone Nothing about killing niggas. Hmm You're a man of peace, but that's not regular people. So they don't know nothing about that. I don't know nothing about killing niggas. You're a man of peace. But that's not regular people, so that don't count. Imagine what the regular... Brutus Art is all NBA players. Were you ever nervous playing against regular human beings when you were in the league?

No. Hell no. They had a vendetta or trying to go at you a little too hard? No? Just give them the work, keep it moving. About Bull Park, oh my God, coming back. Did you ever get embarrassed in any of those games, Gil? At what?

Until my cross you were. Probably. Okay, just making sure. We have some videos. It's basketball. No, I'm just kidding. So when you were playing, where were the best summer pickup games? UCLA.

Wait, wait, wait. For where ex-NBA players are or regular? Who had the best runs? Don't matter who was there. Okay, that's whoever had all the NBA players in the city. I mean, I thought you were talking about, like, just normal, just hoopers. Normal hoopers who had the best runs. Just regular people i was

personally dc okay barry farms or somewhere barry farm yeah barry farms and all those uh because you know it was you know it was hoop players that were good enough and but they wasn't nba players or pros so i'll say barry farm that all miles raws and the whole crew i agree i think uh yeah barry farm spent some during the lockout that 2011 i think lockout year that was some of the best like So I'll say Barry farm that all miles Ross and the whole crew. I agree. I think yeah Barry for us But some during a lockout that 2011 and they lock out here I was some of the best like open run hoop you can could could ever find I've been out to Barry farm. I think I like 45 against like D nice Yeah, nice young be nice brand you were all over that lockout. Yeah, but it's great

Like you'd like this like like people that just was like like people that just gave you and just work But but yeah, I must say yeah, it was some good bump though. You go out there then you go We was in Georgetown Moving in that gym. You know, they had that run up in there. So yeah all through DC and Baltimore try your basketball legend I Don't gotta say hacks out here. Okay. I like hooping in LA. Yeah Wait the hacks in Gardena? When it was over there?

No, it was down by the airport. I mean, what, Gardena, El Segundo? Yeah, El Segundo. Yeah, that one. Yeah, Gardena. That's where all the LA hoopers used to go. Yeah, that was easy. You never went there. He's an asshole.

I was definitely in there. It's up the street from my... He's an asshole. First of all, it's up the street... You was never down there. I was definitely in there. You was never down there. It's up the street from my park. You was never down there. I was in there. You was never down there. First of all, they have highlights of me in there cooking. Shout out to...

They got highlights of me cooking. Shout out to Poo Jetter. Poo Jetter. My nigga Bobby Brown. Oh, that crew. All them. Oh, yeah. That's that crew.

That should have been... James Harden, DeRozan, all them used to be down there. The young ones, I was like high school college Damn, bro. I ever play real what is he talking about? You wasn't there? Oh must admit. I'll kill Oh, I was in DC done. Oh, he was stuck in the smoke. Oh, it was a lot old I like I wasn't that we was at LMU. Yeah, that's no, you know Blake Griffin all the you can find all my highlights Nothing. I don't know where it is be. I don't know where they'd be hoping that but it Vegas and LA was where the hoop

Well, what are you out for pros? It wasn't hard to beat. For pros? It wasn't hard to beat them. Chicago. Chicago too. Tim Grover. Tim Grover. You was hooping against who? It wasn't hard to beat them.

It wasn't hard to beat them. It was. I don't know who you was hooping against. It wasn't. You talk about LA, you was hooping against some real hoopers. That's why I'm still out here in LA hooping. You know what I'm saying? I don't know about all that.

I mean, Real Run was good back then. There was no pros. That was good good a lot of pros playing real run And it's somewhere There was a story like Antoine Walker showing up at halftime with no shoes had to borrow somebody shoes drop I'm in the city in the city never hoop did the jewelry out did I have you have a lot familiar? Games team, bro. I'm in LA. I'm Lading you how many yeah, we talking about yeah, I had to two points I'm in LA. I'm more LA than you. How many you got? What you talking about?

How many you got? I had two. Two points? Don't sit down. Don't ever go back to watch. Two points. Don't ever go back to watch. They'll never let you in. No juice, Kool-Aid, nothing. Oh, you had all those games.

Yeah, man. You didn't see him? Huh? Frank Nitti was on our team, my nigga. Where the hell were you at? Because he wasn't there. What do you mean he's never there. Yeah, you mean He's never in LA first of all, I just moved I just moved

Niggas sucking them car you will pull up Big man, I play big man with y'all. You know said Nitti and him out there getting buckets have my own way Hey, man, we'll seeMills the coach? Who was the coach? It was one of the games homeboys that was the coach. But this back when, you know, they used to be like, where BJ at? Sounds like where BJ at.

I love that. Where BJ at? I got film of me cooking, so it don't matter whoever calling me out. Frank Nitty, where BJ BJ. This is my seat Hey You might know you might know him there was there was a guy I ain't gonna lie I'm not gonna do that. This was a pogo stick

Right skinny dude that jumped out the gym. I don't know who I don't know who he was But he looked like he didn't have bounce and I jumped with him He don't think He dunk on me. He dunked over me. I don't know what it was. What do you do? What? same thing Like it was even like you know how like you think it was one of these like I jump like I Met I'm under I'm under in it was so I don't know who he was. I was like, yeah, I'm good Yeah, I'm gonna just stay home. You saw the Jersey for him. Hell. No, I walked out the gym just head now I ain't one of like I don't know who he was but I've never seen this guy and nothing no no open runs

I don't know where you have ever used la You know, it is Stephen Mallory Gil. Is this is this never seen this guy in nothing. No open runs. I don't know where he was. You said like, you know, it is Stephen Mallory. Is this is this never seen this guy? Yeah. Everything is searchable. Search it after the show. Wow. I can multitask. I'm going to ask. I'm going to ask. I'm going to ask about you in L.A. I'm going to see. You better ask. You said the hacks? Hacks. For sure.

360. For sure. Back down memory lane. 360. UCLA ever? Yes, for sure. Oh, okay. That's where I met PG at.

Oh, okay. Shout out Rico Hunt. They used to want to play with the ball that I had. So you went to UCLA and then you went to the jukebox. You got the good ball, bro. Let's get... Let's use that one. Yeah, this is the league ball, bro. What y'all playing with? So you had to the jukebox and had two points. You got the good ball, bro. Let's use that one. Yeah, this is the league ball, bro.

What y'all playing with? So you had the league ball. Let me get that. Somebody in the chat said that was me, Gil. I'll leave. That was hot. Let's keep it moving and shaking. So game three of the NBA finals isn't until Wednesday,

but we got our resident Celtics fan, the Honorable... Now everybody over here Googling. Come on, y'all. I want to see it, too. You can't put that information. He was one of those. He pulled it back. You know, like them quick dunkers. You know YouTube never forgets,

but we got our resident Celtics fan, the Honorable Rashad, the man formerly known as Senator Terry Larry. Righteous Rashad. Righteous Rashad. The Honorable Righteous Rashad. Thank you very much. Okay.

My brother. All right. Rashad, what have you seen from your Celtics through the first two games of the NBA Finals? Everything that I predicted. And what were those predictions of Rashad? Jalen Brown showcasing that he's the best player on the team Being able to segment and neutralize Kyrie Irving because of the matchup problems that he's having

Prosingas being able to come out and be a factor right away from the jump 20 points in shape Looking great. I Accept your apology. What else? The Celtics really putting Luka on the spot. They got him out there on an island where it's obvious he's not playing any defense whatsoever. The team don't got his back because there's a bunch of shooters out there spaced out so it ain't too much he can do but let them guys ole and on defense you talk about dallas's offense and the whole pick and roll strategy that i broke down has been completely neutralized because we're not going to double

luca and we're going to switch everything wait wait say that again we're not gonna double Luca and we're gonna switch everything Wait, wait, say again We're not gonna double Luca. We're gonna switch everything That was your game plan Yeah Your game plan wasn't guard the guard Our game plan was not to switch any not to trap anything because you guys said you should definitely Trap trap and then you said no you can beat that say if you trap go guard the guard and i said if you go guard the

guard just switch it right so since we're not trapping it they can't do what i said because they're not trapping it okay because they're not listening to what you said so they can't do what you said so because they're not listening to what you said. So they can't do what you said. Because they're not listening to what you said. So if they can't do what you said, then what you said they have not done. So you can't be right about something that didn't happen. I can be right. Second, another lie you just told. You said that you said Dallas or Boston would neutralize Kyrie.

But when you were talking about Kyrie and you said how Kyrie would do you said Kyrie will be on what did he say what was the words he used how good did he say Kyrie was gonna be right he's going back home and he's gonna be what didn't he what did he say that but now he just saying that Boston will neutralize him no I say he would have a very very tough time against four defenders that could match up with him. And at OKC, they were young defenders. The Wolves, they were young defenders.

They don't know Kyrie game. But these two dudes, they know. And the one guy who does know is Drew. And it's showing. That's what I said. That's what you said? When we talked about, when he asked, what do you expect from Kyrie? Didn't you ask that question? He said, what do you expect from Kyrie in this series?

And you went around the room. I have. What did he say? Dude, you know, I'm merely a host. I got a lot on my mind. Okay. But I will go back and get the clip out. Did it sound like what he just said?

Did somebody cue my music? Because the body bag is about to come out. I mean, well, we got the clip, so. He's about to turn me into cemetery in a second, man. Are you back? Not yet. Is the righteous? He's about to get out of there.

Man. What did Rashad say? Because y'all are more knowledgeable. Just ask him, is it obvious? No. That's how you got it. We want to just... Did Rashad say that Kyrie was going to struggle in this year?

I just want to know that. I definitely said that. Okay. For a fact. For a fact. Senator Larry is back. Okay, he said it. He said he was going to...

Everything that I said, like I said, everything I said has come to fruition in all of my takes about Boston, especially about Jason Tatum struggling early in the series against Cleveland. Lethargic, out of rhythm. If you keep this up, it's not going to help you in the finals

because you're going to be behind the ball. Hey, if Boston win it, do you keep Jason Tatum? Yes. Yeah. If they win it. But it's clear cut that it's Jason Tatum. Clear cut. It's not a debate.

There's no debate now. It has nothing to do with what everyone wants to make it out to be. It's about scoring and points. That ain't what leadership and being the best player is about. Right. At all. And I think the team knows that. That's why Drew Holiday can say, I don't think he's lying.

And I don't think he backpedaled when he was asked. He clarified and said, I don't prefer either or. I don't prefer either or, but I do know who the best player is. Because I got to stand on what I said. It wasn't a trick question. It ain't Jason Kidd. Jason Kidd said what he said because that's how he felt. It wasn't no mind game behind that.

What do you benefit trying to play mind games after you lost a game? I mean, that's what you do. You play mind games. No, you don't. You go back to the drawing board. You play mind games. You try to figure out how to get your team ready. Just like the Lakers.

Why would you play games with the other team to wake another nigga up so he can beat y'all down even more? That doesn't even make sense. Let me wake Jason Tatum up some more so we can lose about 50 this time. I mean, maybe he don't feel like Jason Tatum like that. It don't make no sense. Maybe he don't feel like Jason Tatum like that. It don't make no sense, bro.

But I would play mind games if I'm down. Not me. I mean, don't I? I play mind games with my own players. Nah. Hey, man, I'm just waiting for, you know, Kyrie Irving to wake up. He got his dream character above his head, bad or something? What is he doing?

Why would he wake up? You said this was going to happen. So you should be expecting him not to wake up. I said if I'm Jason Kidd, not me. If I'm Jason Kidd, I'm trying to figure out how to wake Kyrie up. So, yeah. Any more questions? Not me. I'm Jason Kidd. I'm trying to figure out how to wake Kyrie up. So, yeah. Any more questions?

And you're standing on that you think Jalen Brown is the best player on the Celtics right now? For sure. This is obvious. It's obvious. He's playing Luka. He's following the strategy. Both sides of the ball. i'm doing what I need to do to take this team to the top And if you watch the game next time You'll see jaylen brown's at the top of the key and they're giving him the ball and he's telling motherfuckers where to go It ain't jason tatum Huh

It ain't jason tatum And it was stephen a. Smith that started this narrative of him not being marketable that put Jalen Brown in the forefront of all this shit. Jalen Brown was sitting back, chilling.

All of a sudden, you say he not marketable. So you still think he's marketable? He is after this. He just got the MVP, didn't he? You don't think

you can market the MVP? I don't know. I'm asking you. He's through conference finals. So neither here nor there, Rashad, but we asked the chat, is it obvious? There's a lot of MVPs that's not marketable and that we've been

seeing the last couple years. We asked the chat, is it obvious? 75% said yes. Again, we do not know exactly what that means. But it is. Quick question. Who's the worst defender on Boston? In the starting five. Who's the worst? On the starting five?

Yeah. Probably Al Horford? Luka? No, no, no. On Dallas. On Dallas. Luka's probably one-on-one. I mean, according to the video evidence that has been... I mean, probably Luka. Yeah, people will say Luka. Luka's the worst defender on the team, right?

Who's the best defender? Right? Washington? Washington or what's the other one? Jones? Yeah, that's kind of interesting, man. That the best player on the team will get the weakest defender on them. And my best defender, I got to put him on the second best player. Makes fucking perfect sense to me.

I'm going to stick Luka on Brown and I'm going to stick my best defender on Tatum because Brown is the best player. Okay. All right. Never seen it a day in my life. Never seen the weakest defender stick to best player

while my best defender goes the option to. It's a new world. It's a new world. You see new shit all the time. I've seen a fish talk yesterday. I'm not going to double

the best player on the court when he has the ball. I'm going to double the second best player when he has the ball. I know narratives is a lot of things we like to Man, I don't, do you, what? Like, I know narratives is a lot of things we like to push, but when it comes to the game of basketball, do we just pretend that it's just... That you want Jason Tame to be... I'm going to double, I'm going to double Gasol while Kobe's on the court.

Or am I going to double Kobe? I'm going to double Kobe. Okay. And then, if I'm doubling Kobe, who gets to rock out? Gasol. Whoever else. But if someone says

Gasol is the best player on this team because he's rocking now, most people would be like, shut the fuck up. Right? Right. Okay, I'm just... So are you saying that there's a similar comparison that could be drawn to this situation? Hell no. He's talking about Paul Gasol and Kobe Bryant, bro.

What I'm saying is there's a narrative. Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, use that example. They're two like-minded guys that play the same position. If you double one, you got to leave the other one open. Okay, so if the other one that's open, who's playing one-on-one, if he's playing better, why would you run a narrative around that one? Who's the better player, right? The better player.

So you're going to toss up between Kawhi and Paul George. Who's the better player on the team, right? Because that's always the conversation. So who's going to look the guard out of them two? Exactly. Pick your poison. No, it's not pick your poison. It is pick your poison.

Who is getting... Because you're going to get killed regardless. Who is getting doubled? Who is getting... No one's being doubled. No one's being, they're playing team defense. They're loading up. Who are you going to put

Luka on? Paul George. You can't put Luka on nobody. He's not guarding nobody. Don't matter who he guards. Even Derek White. You can't put him on Derek White. Can't put him on Drew Holiday. But he's guarding Jalen Brown. Jalen Brown is killing him. What is Jalen Brown doing?

Exploiting that mismatch. So you would think coaching would say, hey, we can't put Luke on him either. You put him the evil of the... You can't put him on him either. I'm going to put him on the lease of the... And it's not working. Can't put him on him either. That's the two games we lost.

Might want to change it up. Can't put him on Tatum. Can't put him on Brown. Who are we going to put him on him either. There's two games. We lost might want to change it up Can't put him on Tatum can't put him on Brown. No, we know we're refusing to put him on Tatum Cuz we put him on Tatum Tatum might have 50s. You might just we're just gonna keep our best defender on them Wow, that's what we're gonna do may have 50 to hold the last three series So what would we not have scared of him being having 50 because that's not what their team does I'm not a 50-point guy. I just never I just never team does. He's not a 50-point guy. I just never... He's never had 50? He's not a 50-point guy. He's had 50, of course.

Jayden Brown's had 50. I don't think Jayden Brown's had 50. But not consistently. He's not a 50-point guy. Don't say it out loud. This is righteousness. Don't say it out loud. He might probably get triggered if you said that.

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GILL, you're saying that regardless of what's happened so far in these first two games, the final, Tatum is still the Celtics. I'm saying if I have a game, I can only watch a game plan. And I can only look at the game every single play. And you look at how the defense is playing. So if we do not know any player, right? We don't know any player that's on this team and we watch a game, the person who is being doubled the most, right? Whoever the

defense is scared of, if there's a boxing one out there that we, we can see who is the defense afraid of. So that means that player has to be the scariest player on the court. So if Jalen Brown is our best defender, who is he guarding? Who is Boston's best defender guarding? Dallas' best player.

The best player on other teams. Which is Luka. Okay. Jalen Brown is not the best defender. Jalen Brown is not the best defender on Jalen Brown not the best defender on the subject. No, he's the best player. All encompassing. Drew Holiday is the best defender. Okay. Drew Holiday is not guarding Luka. You know why? Because the best player said, I want to guard

Luka. So the best defender is going to play. I want to Google that. He watches the game. I want to Google that. You will see Drew Holiday runs to the Rome. He runs to the Romer's position because he's the best defender and he wants to be the mic back of the defense, the anchor. So, Jalen, you're going to take the assignment and I'm going to always be in help for you. Yeah. Because I'm guarding who? Jones. Or if I'm guarding Kai, I'm not the mic back no more. Derek, you take the mic because you're another good defender. We have good enough defenders that we can mitigate playing this triangle defense against these two guys.

So when you talk about the Dallas Mavericks and you talk about how they play, they don't double anybody. They are trying to load up. No one's being doubled. Dallas Mavericks? It looked like a double. Every time someone gets the ball, everybody got to load up. Especially when you talk about coaching. Wait, but you were just talking about Boston's defense.

How did it just eventually change to Dallas' defense? Because I'm making a point. When I make a point, I got to shift everything that I'm talking about. You were just talking about Drew Holiday netting up everything, and that's why Boston can't score. Yeah, but I'm going to my point now about why Dallas plays the way they play against Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. Because as a coach, you want to be able to say, hey, when Jason Tatum gets the ball, we're going to load up. We're loading up elbows and boxes.

When Jalen Brown gets the ball, we're going to play one-on-one. We're loading up elbows and boxes. We're going to play one-on-one. When Derek White gets the ball, you're man up. When Drew Holiday gets the ball, you're man up. We're going to play one-on-one. We're going to play one-on-one. When Derek White gets the ball, you're man up. When Drew Holiday gets the ball, you're man up. When these two guys get the ball, we're elbows in boxes. That's how the game is being played. If you watch it, you'll see it.

I've watched it. Me too. And I know everyone knows I watch it because I'm live watching it going play by play. Me too. No, you're not. No, I'm not. You're live? Show me the live. No, I'm not. You're live? Let me show you.

Show me the live. Oh, my gosh. Show me the live. What is it? Show me the live. Where's the live at? You don't subscribe to Rashad? No, I'm Rashad.

He doesn't. He went live? He doesn't. I'm subscribed to his show. He doesn't. Move around? Tell me what I don't do. Move around?

Yeah, move around. Let me see the live. There's no move around either. Okay, so what's the live? It's a great podcast. I'm just saying, what is the live? What is the live? What is the live you There's no move around either. Okay, so what's the live? It's a great podcast. I'm just saying, what is the live? What is the live?

What is the live you went live on so we can see it? Oh, so it's just words. Can we cue that music? See, mine is facts. Mine is facts. Watch the game going play by play, and I'm calling it out

as we see it play by play. So your narrative, what you're saying, is actually wrong because we're watching it in real time. But you would know, as a Hooper watching in real time, that they are not doubling anybody. No, they're loading up on Jason Tatum. So why would you say they're doubling? They're playing one-on-one with Brown, by yourself, Luka.

Keep in front of him. What's happening? Keep in front of him. Is he keeping him in front of him? Oh my god, now is here you said you watching the game man act like the nigga taking 30 shots Is he keeping him in face? We got Luke on him still can only get But he's running offense like listen to what he's saying The ball is going through Jason Brown who has Luca on him, but he only getting up 15 shots.

Did you get tagged? Make it make sense, man. Did you get tagged in that video? Make it make sense. All of Luka's defensive clips. Make it make sense. I've seen that. I've seen that.

I think we've all seen that, right? So it's like Luka getting beat every single time against every single Boston Celtics player, including Jalen Brown. So if Jalen Brown is his matchup and you were watching the game, you would clearly know that he's not staying in front of Jalen Brown. He gets to the rim whenever he wants to. And whenever the defense collapses and breaks down, they kick for open shots. This is why the Boston Celtics are good, because they can get into the paint and kick and hit shots. Brandon, do you agree with that?

I've seen one dude take 22 shots, and I've seen a dude who has the weakest defender on him that he can take any time he wants, only gets 15. Because he's playing both sides of the ball. So we don't have to take 22 shots to feel like the best player. We don't have to take 25 shots to feel like the best player. Because how many shots did Drew Holiday take? I think he led. He's tired. He's tired. We don't have to take 25 to feel like the best player. He's tired. Because how many shots did Drew Holiday take?

I think he led the team in scoring. Yeah, but if Jalen Brown sees Luke on him, I mean, come on. If I'm playing team basketball, I don't have to shoot. Drew Holiday took 40. You know what's so funny? But that's the craziest thing that he doesn't want to acknowledge. We'll rather lose what you're trying to score 40 because we good. Listen, yeah, we'd rather you have Luca here.

We'd rather you be on Jalen Brown, but we'll lose like this, but we're not going to lose with Jason. That's smart coaching. Come on, bro. What are y'all talking about? You're not even talking basketball. You're just trying to win arguments. I thought we were talking about basketball.

If we got to go out. Listen here. He'll do it. But listen, we're not going to let Jason Tatum get off though. Huh? You try to do your thing. Just stay in front of him. He's trying to go right. If you can just keep it. Yes.

What's going to happen now? He's going to see it again. He's going to be trying? What's going to happen now? He's going to see it again. He's going to be trying to go at him again. Really? Mm-hmm. Really? And it's going to be the same thing. But again, why do we care, man?

They're too old. This should be about what Dallas can do to win again. Boston's doing their thing. We are milking this topic. No, Boston's... We're milking the dumb topic No, Boston, we're milking the dumb topic. The topic shouldn't be who the fuck is better

between the two. We don't give a fuck. That wasn't a topic. I just wanted to know where Shazza is. It doesn't matter. I didn't see you Monday. I appreciate you. It's Dallas. What can they do to try to win because the other group has figured it out?

That's what this narrative is. So we do have some Celtics news for you, Gil, that was just reported recently. Chris Tapps Porzingis suffered a left leg injury in game two that is unrelated to his prior right calf injury. So today the Celtics announced that Porzingis, and I'm going to try and read all this shit. I know Dr. Doogie Howser and all that shit. Suffered a torn medial retinocolum allowing dislocation of the posterior tibialis tendon. Very nice. I don't know. Somebody go on WebMD.

Balls on the top of his head. That's all them niggas had to say in the press release. He got a left leg injury. Foot, leg, fucking toe, whatever. Leaving his status for game three in jeopardy. So here's Joe Mazzulla today on the unicorn status. Let's take a listen. Yeah, listen, he's doing anything and everything he can to be ready for the game tomorrow.

It's a serious injury. And at the end of the day, our team and the medical team is not going to put him in any bad situations. And so we've taken a decision to play out of his hands because of the importance of him. And so he's going to do everything he can to play, and we're going to leave it up to our medical team. And that's really it. So in addition to watching the town and plenty of game film, it seems like Joe Mazzulla is watching Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Woof, woof. Kenyon questioned his lineup, said a coach with a janky lineup wouldn't be able to win the finals.

He looked like he got a little bit tightened up. And that is why the Celtics are 2-0. But back to Porzingis. Porzingis averaged 16.5 rebounds, 2.5 blocks, shooting 60% from the field. So you heard Mazzulla say they'll take the decision to play out of KP's hands. But for the record, Porzingis told reporters, I'll do everything I have to to be out there. So what changes for Boston if Chris Stapp Porzingis is not available for game three?

Ting is pingous, as he's known in some circles. I mean, his energy was crazy. I seen game one, he came out. I mean, I think that's the reason why they won game one for sure and just blew him out. But his energy's been crazy. He's been, you know, all over the place, defensive end,

offense, so, I mean, it's definitely gonna hurt if they lose him with his energy, but next guy up. What's his name been on the show? Tillman? He's probably gonna ring. He's his name been on the show? Tillman? Shout out Xavier Tillman. Xavier Tillman. He probably got a ring. He might get a ring.

Got to bring him back on the show. Nothing changes. Nothing changes for the Celtics? No, we needed him as a battery pack for the crowd. So even bringing him back and he hit shots, that just let them know that they got a piece that was ready to go. They injected a lot of energy into the building, a lot of momentum into the building.

And when you get that type of momentum at home, regardless of what happens in Dallas when they come back home, that expectation of that energy is still going to be there. So what they do in Dallas is going to affect the team momentum but not the crowd momentum. So I think that if he takes this day-to-day, he takes these two games off to try to get that better, it'll be good for game five if they make it that far.

Oh, you still think even without Porzingis? Yeah, but you know, on the road, though, you know you need that game three energy. You know, on the road, it's... Always on the road, you got a chance of losing just because it's not your home floor. Well, you need that one guy, like that guy that shows up. So, and they... They got guys.

Like you said, next man up, Horford got to step up. Tillman got to step up. Hauser. You know what I'm saying? Pritchard. All of those guys got to step up. So, you look at all of those elements, you say, well, what are we going to do on the road? We don't got the unicorn. Step it up. Are the Southerners going to miss his rim protection though coming into this series?

That's the thing that hurts them. The Mavs had five times as many lobs as any other team in the playoffs coming into the finals. Yeah, I mean, but that's just the switch of the matchup, so they can't get those. Just any time, like, Kyrie tried to break something down or Luka actually got in there, just him being a rim protector and actually going and challenging shots. Like, as long as he was in the game down there, you had to think about him jumping. So him altering shots was a big help for Boston. So defensively, they're going to have to pack the lane a little bit more now.

Offensively, it doesn't change anything. It's more because how Gafford has to play and how they have to play. If they go into a zone you know Boston has five out and if you know Boston does flash somebody to the uh free throw line is usually they're flashing a guard so when that big step up the guard can just go by so um if Porzingis is not there if Dallas, I'm I probably just go smaller to keep up Because Gafford is gonna always try to protect the rim if he's protecting the rim Al Horford

It's gonna sit at the three-point line and giving up those type of shots is gonna always Hinder us from you know That's what one stone so for one yeah You know. 4-1 still. Still 4-1? Yeah. I can see that. I can see that. Still 4-1.

I don't want it to happen, but I want it to go 7. You know. We love basketball. So Chance Carver, you might turn it on. No, not yet. Just looking at those first two games. I think he'll get ball. I think he'll get ball. I think Dallas will win this next one.

Yeah, they kind of have to, right, Orris? Yeah, they have to. They can't go down three. They have to. They have to. They can't go down three. We saw Kyrie's first two games in Boston. He knew what he was going to be dealing with coming into the Garden with those fans,

especially after how he left Boston. But you think it's going to be different now coming back home to Dallas? Fans on the side, we're going to see a different version of Kyrie in game three? He didn't look comfortable to me. Me too. He didn't look comfortable at all. Just the rhythm, just the way the flow was going, maybe the way they was guarding him.

I don't know. They just really prepared for both of them, him and Luka. So hopefully they can go back home with the home crowd and be able to get game three. But Boston, it just looked like it was a lot going on. I'm trying to figure out what Dallas' style of play actually is when they need buckets and bunches. Like when they get into a scurry and they're trying to figure out like where the bucket gun come from, especially when Luka not in the game.

Luka not in the game, it just looked like if Kai not being aggressive, they're just kind of out there hoping for a bucket. And it just don't look. Yeah, it did look like that a couple, like in Boston, they were just like lost. Like, I don't know, like certain shots I felt Luka would have took, he didn't take. Like, it was just like they wasn't certain about certain things. Yeah. I don't know.

Could have been nerves. Who was in? Malice. No, I mean, I'm just. Is their pick, their whole offense, like their whole offense is pick and roll. Their whole offense is one, five, pick and roll. Luka gets in there. Everyone collabs.

He passes a couple. Then he attacks. Like, it's like this chess match he does like it's brilliant like you come in you throw it here that guy shoots her come in shoot it come in fake the shot throw a lob like he has this rhythm of playing so when it's just a switch and now he has to play one-on-one a whole time the one-on-one is just now for just him right the pick and roll was he did everything in a pick and roll now He has to play one-on-one the whole time. The one-on-one is just now for just him. Right? The pick and roll was, he did everything in the pick and roll.

Now they're just forcing him to play one-on-one basketball. So now when Kai gets it, right, he realizes now the one-something pick and roll, Jason Tatum's coming up. Shit, he might as well just go on a smaller guy so he can get a shot off. So now just both of them are just playing ISO basketball. Now when P.J. Washington gets it, what do you want to do? ISO basketball. So most of the time that when you see Kai and P.J. scoring is usually on like the fast break, like fast break, secondary break, right? It's not really in the offense because everything gets set

and P.J. don't have those skills like that. Kai do, but everything is closed captioned. in the offense because everything gets set and PJ don't have those skills like that. Kai do, but everything gets closed captioned. So it's kind of, it's like if Kai don't get it off when he first get it and it's a fast break, it's like, mm. This is why our style of basketball breaks the mold for right now. Yeah.

Think about when Dallas can't get the pick and roll off. Their standard offense, they've been doing it all year. They've been killing and killing and killing. They take it away from us. Now, what are we running? You got Tim Hardaway Jr. on your team, on the bench. This is the guy that comes off the pin down and gets you 10 points off pin downs. He's the only guy that can actually do that.

So, the fact that you don't have him in the game to run other actions, you're at a discrepancy automatically. Now, Kai, he can do the same thing that Tim can do if you put him in that action. But all y'all doing is playing pick and roll, spacing, and saying, all right, what do we got? That's not enough for this team. You got to put them in actions. There ain't no flex cuts.

There ain't no down screens. There ain't no off ball, nothing. Everything is we can see if you're watching the game, you're sitting back, you're like, what is Dallas doing? Because it's not looking like Jalen Brown, Drew Holiday, and Derek White are doing anything crazy on defense. They're just staying in front of their guys. Stay in front of your guys. I got your help. So if there's no actions, there's no mistalk. There's no miseries. There's no breakdowns. So think about how many breakdowns you can have defensively. If you have a lot of action, God go back doors like, damn, man, I was supposed to, we supposed to switch. What's up with the miscommunication? None of that's happening because they're not doing no actions. So the one thing

that we had an argument about was if they double Luca every single time, what kind of actions they will have. Since they're not doing none of that, the only action they have is a switch. Go one on one. So if that's all you're doing, it's self check out there. We're just hoping you miss shots. So Jason Kidd has to go back to the drawing board and say, we need to put some more actions out there. Because they're not... We're not making them play this fast. They should already have other actions in their playbook.

They don't. They don't. That's crazy. They've been probably running the same thing all year. Like, even something like this, right? If I'm playing... Y'all remember... Y'all remember, y'all remember thumbs down, right? And I remember we used to do the thumbs down all the time, right?

Like, thumb down, that's where the bigs are at the, what was it, the elbows? Elbows. Right, the elbows, guards are down low, and then the guards do their action, but the bigs pin down, right? Like, so the bigs pin down, then the guards come out, you try to figure out. So I'm sitting there doing something one day, and I do like a little cross, and then the guy kind of flew, and then the pin down, but the big man, right? And this is where the thought process of, right, if I'm guarding this guy right here like this, right, the big man, and then he goes to pin down, as the big man if I'm guarding this guy right here like this, right, the big man,

and then he goes to pin down, as the big man, I'm doing this. I turn my back. And you're watching him as a point guard. So I used to watch the big turn his back, right? And I'm like, that's where one-four flat came from. I used to watch both bigs go turn her back on the ball this man who's guarding me never knew nothing so I'll shake him here go and then oh my god this is crazy so I used to now I

used to just run thumb down but the thumb down was really one four flat that's how it started I like dumb like, thumb down, thumb down. Boom. And before they know it, I'm already at the rim. And there's an and one for you because the big's going to be late turning around.

Turning around. But he don't even see it coming. And then if a guard see me coming, I still got this guard coming and I can just dip it. But it was a way for me to get in there.

Now, if Luka did the same thing, hit him with the thumb down, let those bigs go down there, he can run right down there back and play there's just like little things you can do to move everybody double pin down look by himself on the ice so now you shifted the whole time but the fact that the office now looks like i have the ball right here you're there you're there you're there. You're there. You're there. Nails in boxes, right? Elbow.

So when I go get the, trying to do my thing, his man is right here. His man is right here. I really have nowhere to go. I have to really do an extreme move to get him to go so I can get through these little small spaces, which is dumb basketball. Like, yo, I want to go, I want to go right, right? You know, I want to go right. So I'm going to go left. I'm going to come back right right your man's gone i now i have all this space to move but the fact that they just sit and then yeah they just sit like it's fucking shell drill but that's crazy

what you just say if i want to go right and i go left first and i come back right and your man is still there that's because you're still there you need to make some type of move you need to move you need to move so the fact that you're still there he's need to make some type of move. You need to move. You need to move. So the fact that you're still there, he's not going to move because I'm making this move left to right. And then in the thumbs down, when you think about thumbs down, the right way to play that

wasn't to turn your back to the basket. It was to open up. Open up. Even if you opened up, what it did was it stopped you from helping the guard on the pin now. Because you needed to be up on the pin now. So that was the strategy of knowing we got three, four options of this. Because even if this big

help on this pin down, I got the other big going for the lob, right? Then if I'm a real good guard, I'm trying to set him up where he either try to shoot the gap. I got the flare in the corner. And then if I get it in the corner, we go right into the pick and roll. It's a lot of basketball shit that's being left out of the game that we see in real time. Just one play

turns into react now, man. Right? I'm reading this guy. He comes, okay, he flared. Okay, even if he flared in the corner big, come up, I pass it to him, he backs doors. Like, it's just so many things you did. We had four down. Four down. He used to come off the four

down. Crazy. Thumb down, thumb up. Thumb up, yeah, yeah. All that floppy. Thumb up, yeah, yeah. Zipper. Zipper, yeah, yeah, yeah. The two hawk coming off the hawk. Come off, pass it to him. Ersan Ilylusova come off.

Oh, man. And that action alone for y'all was so crazy. Because you was on the side pick and roll. Monte was cutting off the hog. And then Ilusova was coming off the backside. We can pop with him. And then if he ain't got it, come back. Did y'all have Drew on that?

Drew Gooden? Drew was the one going for the lob where he would post up and seal. Bro, that shit was crazy. That shit was crazy with That's what I'm saying. It's just crazy with Bogut, too. It's just crazy that just one play can turn into multiple actions, right? They don't have to be smart. Here, just come off.

Whoever shoots better going this way, you come off this way. Better shoot this way, you come off this way. Or the other side. You know what I mean? Right? And now you have these defenders trying to figure out, you know, you start wrapping arms and then taking off, right? They have to guard and think in real time. Yep, yep.

Right? And then from there, we're about past the two. Move. Do something. React. Every action. But the fact that now guys are just sitting in the corner without any thought is it's easier to guard yep like i would have been all defense meaning i didn't have to worry about no fouls if i just

got to stick a dude in the corner because that's who i'd have been playing i'm blocking the hand boy how's the family the kid you ain't really doing none of that i'm saving a lot of air i'm saving a lot of air today because you're going to have to guard me down there. Like, this is, like, it's crazy because you don't have to check no bigs no more. Oh, so let's talk about the game. Talk about how the evolution of the game has been about not actually knowing how to play the game.

We're thinking about actions. These are simple actions that we learn coming into the game. We're thinking about actions. These are simple actions that we learn coming into the league. Summertime and training camp. Training camp, you got to know these tips. These are basic actions. Blue, red, black, black.

All those defensive, all that shit is basic, right? It's still in the back of my head. So what you just said is how a nigga can sit in a corner in a pick and roll and not know any other action but to just sit here in the corner. You're and roll and not know any other action but to just

sit here in the corner you're not even being a basketball player no so then if the coach is thinking we can't even teach these guys basic actions because they can't comprehend what to do in a basic action that means that you're not even a basic player you are not even a basic player but you're getting paid like you're elite you're getting paid like you're elite. You're getting paid like you know the playbook inside and out. So think about why some of the old school players are upset because some of us actually took the game serious to the point where we're like, yo, I knew the playbook inside and out. I knew the scouting report inside and out. I knew everybody's position in every offense and I knew how to go out there and play the game that needed to be played. These guys out here are like, all right, where do I go?

I know where to go. Hey, that's my corner, bro. But just while we're talking about thumbs up, thumbs down, five up, like all these sets or we did the flex or the floppy, it all came back to the two guys, the four and the five. It was either on this side. They never had to move or go anywhere. It was simple. It was just, yo, the five. He was either on this side. They never had to move or go anywhere.

It was simple. It was just, yo, we're going to run it on this side. Double two, double three. The two guard and the three guard on here, and the two guys over here. Then sometimes I would come down, and the two guard would go off, and then stack jack it right there in the post.

Yep, yep. It was just so easy, just like, yo, here go yo play. Here go yo play. Like, everybody had it. Everybody knew they played. That's what the PJs should have, some type of double. Like, double screen away. Just a double screen away with Kyrie or Luka with the ball.

That's ISO. Yes. That means three people has got to focus on something else. Instead of Luka. Instead of Luka. So, these two bigs got to now, oh, shit, how are we going to play this? We've never seen this before. Now he gets to come off.

He can backdoor. Like, there's just so much space. That's crazy. And the fact that they don't even have that. I will at least have, like, Luka needs to be able to score without defense watching. So that means I got to have trick dumb shit. Hey, come off. This your play, son.

Right? There it goes. We're going to run a combo for you. We're going to run a combo. We're going to run a backdoor live for you. Him and come off. This your place, son. Right? There it goes. We're gonna run a combo for you. We're gonna run a backdoor live for you. Him and Kyrie. You come down, bro. Kyrie come off. He in the post. But you see what's happening? Is that they're regulating most

and majority of the plays for the star players. Yeah, so he can just get them off. There ain't even no plays for the other guys. Don't even think about it. Like you just said, P.J. Washington deserves a loop play into the post because he got Kyrie on him. If Kyrie's guarding Washington, why wouldn't you? And even y'all conversation about Gafford yesterday. Like, if he's open and you can't give him the ball, he's not going to be a threat.

He's going to be Rudy Gobert down there. We don't respect it. But if you're not going to run a cross screen for him to come over and seal and get an easy bucket, your five man is non-existent. He's only in the game for lobs and blocks. You know what? As a

basketball player, this is why people got to respect people who study the game and who study rule books, right? If I'm Gafford, this is all Gafford. This is all you have to do. Post up. You post. Get the ball.

Your instinct, like any big, you want to bang. Yep. Right? Which means he gets to use force. And because he's smaller, he gets to use more force than he should be allowed. Now, if you get the ball and the rim's right here, just turn and face. Turn and put it up. If you turn and face, he can't touch you anymore.

He now has to do this so you literally can turn a face bounce it pogo jump. Yeah, just that's simple right did it just Turn in face. He has to go just like this Bounce it jump lay right you can make it that simple But because you want to turn your back now it become now you have to actually Do a move where he gets to sit there put it but if you turn and face anyone in the post If you turn and face first like Tim Duncan did now you have to play like this You can't use your force now It's all about skill and for someone like that my simple basketball knowledge

says hey learn how to do this first just bounce the ball and then just jump towards the rim just that simple monkey basketball zombie gorilla shit yeah bounce it bounce it and just jump forward jump towards the rim it's an easy lane because tatum ain't gonna be ready to take a charge he's not even gonna jump with you you can just do some it's just some freaking nature types. Yep Yep, but no one every time I see him down there. I always say Turn it just turn in face bro. Just Treat it like a treat like treat it like guards treat it right? I'm posting up and then I see somebody on me. Let me just turn and face because the strip shit don't

You strip makes them play D turn and face because the strip shit don't you strip makes them play D turn and face hands off that's the rules thanks who's teaching them nope nobody who's teaching them but you know by the force part that you're talking about when a big gets the ball in the post automatically for the bigs who used to look for contact they play like Shaq played yeah Shaq never faced up because he always knew he was facing somebody smaller or bigger, but he would always use his force because that's my advantage. It's my force. Tim Duncan, KG, Chris Webber, Rashid, they faced up first.

They want to know where the defense at. Now that I see where the defense at, I go to my move and I jump over you. We not teaching these kids nothing Like after wouldn't even be able to tell you how to do that move Would you just jump him and just monkey it over them? But that's what I'm saying is like you're not what like like something if I'm watching the rules Hakeem Hakeem didn't bang. No, right. He was soon as the ball's going he's already on the move Right so he can spin spin if not, he's on turning face because once he turn in face, it's an he avoided content Yeah, he avoided that's I said, yeah, you can avoid contact is easy turning face

Yeah, and I can't hand check you can't hand check me And it forces him to reach a for each in the foul Yep Now I get to him Duncan He don't want to shoot now you get to do all this Gaffer don't want to shoot. Now you get to do all this. Gafford don't want to shoot free throws and nobody, Lively don't want to shoot free throws. That's when I tell him, listen, I don't give a shit if you make Miss Airball both.

What I do know is if you got the free throws, that means he got his foul. He got a foul. Right? Two fouls on Jason Tatum and he can't play in the first quarter? That's like making 10 for 10. That's the game plan. That's 10 for 10 for 10. That's the game plan.

That's 10 for 10 for Nefrito Lafamil. How are we going to get them in foul trouble without it being Kyrie and Luke? Yeah. How can we get the other actions? Because Derrick Jones Jr. is not a factor. He's not a factor. But if you run sets, like we said, if you run sets, some misdirections, people just automatically become open.

And then they foul. That's a foul you don't think you're going to get. With a Mr. Ray. Oh, shit, he opened. Oh, fuck, I had to foul him. Then I got my second one. It's the first quarter. Now you sit on the bench.

It's like they fucking up my whole mojo. Yeah, yeah. Because they didn't change some shit. Now we got open layups. And the last thing you need is Joe Mazzulla to see open layups. And you're starting to call them frequent timeouts. Hey, man, what the fuck are they doing? What are we doing?

What are we doing out here, man? Well, Jason Kidd has figured out that we need to do something different. So we know Joe Mazzulla is watching the show. Hopefully Jason Kidd is watching too because y'all just kicked an abundance of knowledge. Good to see you all bonding, agreeing on something. Line up, Joe. You know. The Joe Mazzulla lineup.

Right here. Give me the semi-circle. So last question on this topic. It's only been two games, but who was your finals MVP leader through the first two games of the NBA finals? Right now, probably Brown. What? Probably Brown. He's sticking to the game plan.

Even though Luka's scoring 30, that's neither here nor there. The defense he's playing on Luka is picking him up full court, turning him, making it harder on him. As much as Luka has the ball, he should have 30, right? But he's making it hard on him. He's doing the little things offensively, like when he does see a backdoor, he's backdooring when they do need a bucket because they shot a lot of threes. There'll be times where

these motherfuckers will shoot 10 straight threes without even knowing. Just, oh, you shot two. Let me go ahead and shoot one. And usually Brown is the one that breaks it up because he's, you know, when he gets it, he does get to the basket So I would say Brown Brown

Most valuable Brown drew holiday. Yeah, go bronze Tatum, I know Tatum's damn near averaging a triple-double But you know, it's it's it's the little things that's doing. When we see a play being made and a key bucket needs to be made, Drew backdoored somebody, Drew flash cut and got an and-one. It's always, so I got him second right now. So you think if Jason Tatum averages a triple-double for the finals, even though the points aren't it's not

Listen, it's not about does that make it that make you more of a peeling is what I'm saying is there's gonna be it There's gonna be a game where? Just like Kai he's gonna explode and the fact that he's taking 22 shots Imagine when he is balling. Yeah, right, so he's gonna fuck around and have a 40 piece in this series, right? He might have a triple-double in this series, but just right now His impact is just different I think we're just so focused on him scoring and how bad he's playing We're not realizing you know, just like any any player as a coach you tell him Hey, you're not putting the ball in the basket. What else are you doing? You're rebounding, right?

You're passing the ball around. You know what I mean? You're defending, right? So besides scoring, man, damn, everybody's doing fucking, everybody's bringing something, right? That's what I was going to say. Like, you can't, I can't pick one. I can pick all three. That's what I'm saying.

When I started naming everything, it's like they all balling, right? They're all doing what it takes to win. There might be a group award. I mean, I'm just saying, like, it's going to be hard. 11 voters, right? 11 voters. It's like it could go this way or that way. There's a potential to be multiple, right?

If they go, like, 3-3, 3-2 or something like that. What? The voter. I think it's 11 voters, so... You get three votes for Brown, three votes for Tatum, three votes for Holiday. Let's set up the criteria.

Luka gets two on the low. I like to set up the criteria for what we're talking about in specifics. Because when you talk about most valuable player, I think they're still getting it twisted to the comment of

who's the best player, right? I'll say... If I say Jalen Brown's the best player on the team, it doesn't mean he's the most valuable player in the series. This series right now, if we were to end it tomorrow, it would probably be Jason Tatum because of the stats accumulated on doing other things other than scoring. And the fact that he's not taking on the top defensive coverage doesn't negate the fact that his value has been

he's passing the ball more than he used to. So him averaging a triple-double would warrant him being the MVP because he's doing other things outside of the game. He's not playing well. Now Drew Holiday, on the other hand, his scoring output, the things that he's doing for the game is warranting him the conversation because his stats are higher than everyone else's. Jalen Brown is at the bottom tier just because he's taking on both sides of the ball. His numbers aren't blaring, but we know

that he's affecting the game from a leadership standpoint. And that's what I'm looking at. I'm like, all right, right now, the game ended today i would give it to jason tatum because he's done a lot more for the team success but then at the same time you look at drew holiday he stepped up when you didn't expect him to now the next two games is going to show us like all right who like he said if jason tatum explodes for a 40 ball it's not a lot you're going to get. I'll tell you this. Drew Holiday get finals MVP. Milwaukee going to be shooting themselves.

It's a possibility. I think Bucs fans will be happy for Drew. No, for sure. I'm just saying. You still got to look at that. Like, damn, we just traded this guy and he go get finals MVP. Like, that's a bar. Do you compare that? Huh?

Do you compare that trade now? It's not about compare. I just look at the way. Was it the right move? Yeah. You still make that trade. You got to do the move. I mean, it just worked in Drew's favor. It's just like he's back.

Because Drew there, the 18-19, right is This is this is perfect 1819 is like nah, man. We need more than that. He did that's the problem, but but with Chris with Chris Middleton That's what because Chris Chris Middleton was out. So it's like yo, we need you to we need you to step up That was the problem and no, Chris Middleton wasn't playing very well, and he was still injured, so he was hobbling. So it was like now they're looking at Drew to score 30, and he's like,

well, do you think Milwaukee get past Indiana if they had Drew instead of Dane? Hmm. Hmm. And everybody's healthy? With no Giannis? Still no Giannis. Still no Giannis, but you got Chris. No.

Wait, Drew playing right now, but you would need drew to score more than what he's but I mean, yeah, but defensively I think he would do you think they add for the option on this Celtics squad at times? So it's not like they're keying in on him. So he has a potential get a lot more buckets in that situation That's the reason he's the number one. So that num traps that they were trying to do. That's him now. I Just think I don't know. I just drew just all over the place though he do you think they ever asked drew to do that in milwaukee what probably his first couple number two i'm talking about the last to be number two in the last few years so like if if if yannis goes down is it drew's responsibility to know that he's supposed to pick up the scoring low, or is it the coach to say, look, I need more? I think he knows because he's a vet and how many years he's played.

Like, I think he knows, like, yo, I got to step up. Giannis is down. Is he capable of giving you 25 a game if he's in Milwaukee? With no Giannis? He's never been a 25-point scorer, huh? No. No. Is he capable?

Is he capable? Is he capable? Yeah, that shot rolling. Well, I think it's more... I just think he changed the game a lot more on the defensive end, though. There's just some people that's just not... They're not selfish like that. Yeah. Right?

He's one of those guys, like, you tell him to take 25 a game. Like, you know, to take 25 every game, you got to take to take 25 every guy You gotta be selfish a little bit That's not like you can't be a team put like a igua you tell Iggy to take 25 shots a game. He's like Come on man, he started looking at teammates and shit like that right at that But he was giving you he was giving you 20 and I don't feel comfortable with motherfuckers Just I'm he's giving you 20 a game in Philly though. Let's give you 20 in Philly. I don't feel comfortable with motherfuckers just siding on me. He was giving you 20 a game in Philly, though. He was giving you 20 shots a game.

And he still was like, yeah, motherfucker. You know, some people be like. But Drew giving you 14 shots on 14 shots. 26 and 11. He got to be hitting. On 14 shots. He got to be hitting. But that's an efficient player, though.

That's a player saying, I don't need that 25. You said something and I wanted to look it up. The most valuable player right now is Drew Holiday. Based on these two games, right? Based on the two games because

technically, see, I think what's going on is everybody's looking at who's playing better between Jason and Jalen. When both of them are playing lower than what they did in a regular season or the previous matches.

They're both under the number. One is averaging damn 17. The other one's averaging 20. Drew's averaging 19 compared to what he averages. Right now, he's the 19 compared to what he averages. So right now, he's the only one with the biggest plus. 19-10 forces.

Yes. That's a lot. Yeah, so I'm going to say right now, Drew. You trade it, bro. 19-10. See, I think everyone's just paying attention to these two and realize, like, no, this is right here the most valuable player It's this one. That's the only way to be top five out of California

If you get that fun as if you pay stop the best in this class, right? Stop dog best in his high school class coming out brandon. I am No, I'm saying no la far as la he might be top five if he get finals MVP How do you holiday? What does that? how does that? I'm the fifth option and I got finals MVP? Yeah, you're the fifth option. Best in the high school class coming out of LA.

Man, you're the fifth option. Sir is five. Man, hey, and literally this next game. How was he in high school? I wasn't, I wasn't. He was nice? They said he was the best. Coming out of California.

Who was in his class? Because you keep looking over here? You keep looking over here. You keep looking over here. Make a statement, bro. He keeps looking over here. I'm saying, bro, he could be top five out of L.A. No, what I'm saying is every time you say this, you're top. Because you're number one.

No, we're talking about something else. Listen, top five out of L.A., Hooper, ever. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that list, but I know you keep saying in his class for a reason. What class are we talking about? Was he in his class? He was in Drew Holiday's class? I was 0-9.

Listen. Oh, what class was he in? I was 0-8. Oh, okay, okay. Okay. I was a year off. I was just fucking with Mr. B. That's why I said I knew something

because it was like, why do you keep saying his class? They said in that time period, though. In that period. In that time period. Ooh. In that 2008, 2009. Listen, now, though. We talking about right now, though. In that time period. 2008, 2009. We talking about right now, though. Right now, though.

Right now? Yeah, right now. If he go ahead and get this off at the end, if he like this, he can get it because they focus on them other two niggas out there. He can go out there and get another 20-point game. Who? Drew. Yeah, easy. So, we asked to chat.

Finals MVP so far, over 2,000 votes. Jalen Brown 56%. Drew Holiday 25%. Jason Tatum 11%. Woo, that influence, man. I should have never said that shit about JT, man. He might get traded after this year. He getting that 315. Nah, but, I mean, I think before the chat heard all the things,

right now it's, I'm going with Drew. I'll go with Drew, too. I mean, he averaged a 19, what is it, 19, 10, and 4? What did you say? 19, 9.5 rebounds, 4 assists. But Jason Tatum is at, what, 19? 17, 10, and 9. That's what I'm saying.

I wouldn't be mad about if any of them get it. It just depends on what happens these next two games. I remember these both averaged 27 last series. Right? 27 last series. So they're both underperforming. Right? And we're comparing them to each other when this dude is overperforming in a sense.

So, yeah. I think it's the last game. It's whatever happens in the closeout game, who plays the best in the closeout game. Yeah. And you know what else about the youngins? Like, this is a good lesson for the youngins coming up, too, that's trying to get to the, like, sometimes it's not your series.

Sometimes it's other guys' series, but, like, you got to do what you got to do to win. And what Boston's been showing, though, with all the players that they have is maturity and being able to be like, all right, you go. Yeah, don't force me. You know what I'm saying? It's not personal, and that's what it takes to win.

The fact that everybody's taking a turn. But that's the bad part about just like the narratives from the outside media, right? That we understand some series is not your series right but sometimes the pressure of being a star you yourself would jeopardize the series yep for but you may not even realize i mean no, no. I just got to get up. I mean, you know consciously, like, fuck that, I got to get my bucket. If the offense, if their key is to stop me and I'm trying to win an award and I'm going against the win, because that's what it is. Sometimes you're, do you want to be the man or do you want the chip? Right? it's do you do you want to be the man or do you want the chip right and that's really sometimes where like the chips in if you want this chip you're averaging 27 you're gonna average 17 10

and 8 yep and he's gonna average 22 5 and 5 and he's gonna win the nvp now are you gonna accept that because i heard that's what happened in that boston lakers and that's and to win the MVP. Now, are you going to accept that? Because I heard that's what happened in that Boston Lakers series. And that becomes the problem, right? Because the pressure of you being the man all year comes down to this. And now, if you really want this championship, you've got to sacrifice for it. If you don't sacrifice for it, then they're going to win it. So it's all up to you. And at the end of the day, we're all going to get paid.

But you've got to do other things to get paid too. Like you said, Jason Tatum, his number is scoring, but I'm showing I can rebound. I'm doing this, I'm doing that. It's other things you can do besides just scoring to show you're going to get paid. That's what the past... And that's what the 80s and those guys did well. They played their roles well. And I think sometimes I, even myself, when we look at them, we don't, we, we look at the stars, but we don't look how great some of

those role players were that sacrifice being the man for the bigger, for the bigger cause. And I think sometimes just to talk shit, you kind of leave out some details to prove points. But in a sense, some of these guys that when we were talking about championship teams and you're talking about individuals, somebody like Scotty,

when we see Jordan gone, we got to see, damn, Scotty can carry your goddamn team. You know what I mean? Damn, he can't really just do this by himself and have them in his position, but because he knows there's a better

force in front of him, he's willing to just clean up all the other flaws, and we don't appreciate that as much as we supposed is that a testament to scotty though because you can imagine scotty during those bulls right yeah the same shit i mean yeah because it was the system that was set up for that you know when you got a system and it's flawless you can say i put me in mike's spot i can do what mike yeah for sure right i can't do it as well as Mike does it, but I can do what he's doing. So when I look at, when I'm having conversations about basketball with guys who don't play

basketball, like my guy A-Verb, shout out A-Verb, Move Around Podcast. Move Around Podcast. We talk about what it looks like for Jason Tatum because he's from St. Louis and he's a St. Louis guy. And I'm like, bro, you can tell as a hooper when we're watching who's forcing it and who's not. Easy. And the typical fan can never see it. They will never know

that they were like, why your face look like that every time you get the ball? I'm like, because he's fucking forcing it. And you look at the unforced turnover, you see him forcing it inside and he's losing the ball and shit. You're like, bro, like you just said, it's not your series this time right and when you realize that as a hooper that it's not your series it's not gonna

feel good but trying to do those other things can make you feel good getting that extra rebound getting that hockey assist boom boom i know that happened because of me that helps your ego calm down for that forcible action that's happening and also we see it as real hoopers yes like your peers see it so we know what's going on we can like and if i'm not worried about the respect from the uh this person that's outside bro we see what you're doing that's why when you see us in person we'd be like yo bro now we like no like you're one of the reasons like don't ever get it yeah like we tell you. And that's what J.K. is preying on. He's playing on...

Jason Tatum's been holding it down for this long. They done failed this. He's been excellent in certain series, this, this. And then he's gotten finally to the top of the mountain. And for him to get crowned the king, the face of the mountain and for him to get crowned the king, the face of the NBA, this is not your series.

It's not your series. So how do you feel? That right there is just... But it might not be right now. But you get a ring, though. It might be next year or the year after. Because it ain't over. You're still young. That's what I'm saying.

You're still young, but you get a ring. You can't get both. You ring, though. It might be next year or the year after. Because it ain't over. You're still young. That's what I'm saying. It's one of them things. Still young, but you get a ring. You can't get both. You can, though. You got to learn how to make it your series without getting credit for it. You can make it your series. I did all that. But y'all not going to credit me because there's not a stat for it.

Leadership. That's what I think, Jalen. That's why I call Jalen Brown the best player because he's doing unstatistical things on the floor that you're not going to get credit for, that the team credits him for. Immediately. Everybody in there like, nah, Jalen is one of those

military, high intelligent guys that strategically, hey, nah, nah, nah. Let's go over here. I already know the play. Oh, now let's run this for JB. I mean, JT. Let's do, boop, boop, boop, boop. Everybody got that respect. I already know the play. Oh, no, let's run this for JB. I mean, JT, let's do boo, boo, boo, boo. Everybody got that respect. But do you think it's easier for him because he's been option two?

Yeah. So he's already bought in to sacrifice versus... And he knows what JT doesn't do well, what he does well, what he responds to, what he doesn't respond... Your number two has to know. It's like an assistant.

Yeah. When you have a good assistant, there's a good assistant can become the boss. If you get sick, the assistant is the only person that knows the codes, the only person that knows

where everything is. They know exactly what to do. So if you ain't training your assistant to be the number one, if he's been number one the whole time and JB ain't really been watching JT like,

yo, I see what you're doing well. I see what you're doing wrong. So when you fuck up and lose this spot or you get sick day, I'm going to come in and show them exactly all the things you was doing wrong, doing right, kind of like docking the consultant shit with Griffin. It's like, oh, I see what he was fucking up on. I'm going to think I'm going to come in here and do this shit. So would you say that was OKC's problem? With Russ and KD. Yeah. Mm-hmm Where that there was there that they were understanding who was number one and number two

No fat. No, I think no, I think they knew I just think the rest didn't want to play number two No, he didn't know no look so Russ understand who's the star but in his mind Y'all need to understand who who who everyone's trying to stop, too. Me, too. Some of y'all get extra easy shots because this force I have into me attacking that basket. Yeah, for sure. So at least give me the credit for the damn triple teams and the quadruple teams I do get. But he did understand that this man needs the ball all the time.

Mm-hmm. Right? So he does, like, even when he went to Washington, you remember, he knows who the star is. It's Bill's team. Yeah, so... Give him the rub. And he averaged a triple-double still.

Yeah. Coming in there. Which is crazy. So let's keep this thing moving. We talked about the finals, and now let's talk about the biggest story going on in basketball. On Monday, Dan Hurley pumped Faith the Lakers

by announcing he was turning down their six-year, $70 million offer to stay at UConn to go for his third straight natty. So on the heels of that decision, his report, UConn offered Hurley a new six-year $50 million extension, meaning he took $20 million less to stay in Storrs, Connecticut, instead of coming out to L.A. Wait, say that again? Hmm? Say that again? I just want... Say that again.

He got a new six-year $50 million offer from UConn. So he already had a deal, right? Yup. He signed a six-year extension, last six-year 32 mil, now on the heels of this decision, six for 50. So they upped it. Yeah. So they upped it.

So he got... Let me finish the read deal, because I think I know where you're going. Took $20 million less to stay in Storrs, Connecticut, not come to the beautiful city of L.A. Summertime, it would have been turnt up. He could have came to the Drew with the shiny Mr. Clean hat. But although it's unclear who leaked the information to Woj that Hurley has been the Lakers' number one target since the beginning of their coaching search,

it should be noted that there was a great book on Dan's dad, legendary high school coach Bob Hurley Sr. and his team, called The Miracle of St. Anthony's that was released back in 2005. Rashad, do you know who wrote that book? Who's wrote that book? Brandon, do you know who wrote that book? Who wrote the book about that?

The Miracle of St. Anthony's, about Bob Hurley Sr., Dan's dad. No. Should I know? Do you know who wrote that book? I don't care. I just want to. Oh, who wrote the book? Who wrote the book? Woj. Woj wrote that book. I don't I don't care. I just wanna oh Who wrote the book who wrote the book? Woj woj wrote the book So with that information what you will but how embarrassing is it for the Lakers that Dan Hurley decided to stay at UConn

none embarrassing That's not the story That's not the story. No, no. That's not the story. That's not the story. Then what's the story, Gil? Morning Glory. Let's see what the real story is. Please tell me.

This is Gil Zerina presented by 100 Dog Fantasy. Woo woo. Woo woo. That all of it was cap. Right? That's the story. He never turned down 70 million because there was no 70 million. So you believe all of that?

I believe exactly what I would have did as Hurley. There's this Laker coach, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right? They're looking for a coach. I have my guy throw my name in there. You get scared that, ooh, you're about to leave? You up my pay. Remember I said this would have made sense when he was a free agent.

Remember I said that yesterday? This would have made sense if he was a free agent to just throw my name in there because all the Euros do it, right? I'm going to the NBA. I got drafted. I want some new money now. I'm never planning on going there,

but I get my new money, right? Same thing. This sounded the same, that his name comes out of nowhere. And Lakers was never going to say this was false. But why wouldn't they say, nah, this ain't. Because. We've been rocking with our crew that we've been interviewing. Go ahead.

Go ahead. Because it puts the spotlight back on J.J. And then it makes J.J. the focal point. And everything that we've been lying about becomes true. Because it puts the spotlight back on JJ and then it makes JJ the focal point and everything with that We've been lying about becomes true. So him putting his name in there. Okay Yeah, whoo Lakers never paid nobody that got kind of money for a dude who don't have no NBA credentials your college credentials is cool

Amazing credentials your college credentials is cool amazing for college basketball but when you come here it's zero zero zero zero zero zero right it does not translate right if i'm an mma fighter and i'm about to go in boxing what do they do you gotta? You got to go through the ranks. Go through the ranks. Zero, zero, zero. No matter what you did down there, it's a different sport. Right? So it just didn't make sense. It all seemed like smoking mirrors. And then, obviously, it comes out that he got more money. Leverage play.

So from the Lakers' side, then, if you know you're getting played or hustled, why not just come out last Thursday and be like, oh because not we got our crew later I get played know what you're not getting played a hustle because like I said when I mentioned this Go ahead get it off. I remember right just might just righteousness means right in this right in the beginning. Get your shit off. Get your shit off. That's why I wanted to talk about it with you here in the county. Get your shit off, Daddy. I like the way you do that, Daddy. JJ literally is still on the contract

and he's still calling the games for the finals. You need time. You need to buy time. So this came out in perfect timing to give us two games of not mentioning JJ's name was not Mentioned for the last week or so at all all of a sudden JJ's out of the contention of being Well, there's conflicting reports right now that they haven't really been talking at all all that come on And you still got LeBron James you still have a free agent? Like, come on. Like, who's having what conversations behind the scenes to say,

hey, man, this is a marvelous play we just made on the world? And Hurley and Woj being in cahoots. But there was some saltiness amongst the NBA insider community. I bet. Because some had said that J.J. was the frontrunner for the whole time. Then Woj comes through Thursday, day of the finals, saying, no, that's not the case. It the frontrunner for the whole time. Then Woj comes through Thursday, day of the finals, saying, no, that's not the case. It was actually Dan Hurley the whole time. And then Monday,

Dan Hurley's like, I got to say that there ain't no Lakers. I'm going to go ahead and take this bigger back. See, so, and that's the best part of it all. Right? Because we had the discussion yesterday, and I seemed like I wasn't wrong. I mean, I was wrong. And what happened is, you have Woj, and Woj has an enemy, right?

And his enemy is like, wait, wait, no, my sources say this is it. And then you come out of the Woolworths with that? Let me start doing my research. And then once the research came out, you know, Hurley's like, oh, no, yeah, and I'm going to go back. And they're like, no, no, no, no. You got a new contract, sir. This whole play y'all did was actually fake for you to get more money. Yes. Lakers offered you 70, so they're like, we'll give you 50

to stay. That was all. Okay. I thought it wasn't about money. It's a favor. It's always cash. How much did Doc get? 30 for 30? I thought it was like 30 and a half or 3. So Doc is the most experienced coach.

Right? He got 40. Four year for 40. Four year for 40. So Doc being most experienced with the championship. We're going to give you

more bread than Doc River. Come on, bro. That wouldn't even make sense. And then Woj being in cahoots with the family. The Hurleys. Right. The Hurleys. Right, the Hurleys.

That's a favor. I need a favor. We need a favor, bro. We need a favor. I cannot confirm or deny that. We're trying to run this back. I'm just telling you guys about a great book I read. I know who is happy.

Our lawyer, Alex. Our UConn fan, Alex. He said, yo, I'll see you guys in San Antonio. I said, yeah, you did all right, bro. The lawyer. Shout out the lawyer. So let's move this thing forward and talk about LeBron. There have been numerous reports that LeBron isn't involved in front office decisions.

But either way, this situation has to be a little concerning. Draft's a little over two weeks away. Free agency's three weeks away. And that's the bad part about... Now, that's the bad part about now that's the bad part about being a coach Because They're gonna draft someone that has nothing to do with your coaching style. Yep. Yep so this so that that's the problem with that that's the problem with if A coach has an argument if every coach has an argument, most likely the argument is going to be in

the higher percentage of, I don't get to pick the people I want to coach. It's really not the players that are ideal for me. But I'm judged for coaching players that these guys are picking. So if they go through the draft without a coach, think about the coach that's coming. But let's think about your quote-unquote franchise player. LeBron likely to exercise his player option, become a free agent this summer. There were reports that he was looking to sign a two-year, three-year extension with the Lakers. But if you're LeBron, at what point do you consider exploring your options and testing the free agency market? Well, I see where my son gets drafted.

Or do you think that's... I mean... I want to end my career on a high note. Remember, he can sign an extension, right? Did he sign it? Has not signed an extension. Because an extension to what I'm making is just an add-on. So I'd rather just get out of my deal and I'm a free agent, sign me three years.

Even though the one year plus two is still three, there's more money if I opt out. What I'm saying is he has the ability to opt out now. There's no guarantee now just with this Lakers situation. The way is, look, you think he's still coming back? Where are you going? With no coach? Where are you going? Let me ask y'all this. Not this late. Not with everything

built here. When LeBron, when David Black came in as the coach, that's when LeBron came back, right? Then he was hired? Or was he hired and then LeBron came back? Let me see. And then he was hired. Then LeBron came in. Yeah. And then he moved him out. Yeah. All right. Most likely.

The franchise did. Okay. So, the franchise, think about this. Think about how many dynamic players since 2015 have the conversation with front office about future moves. During the draft, whoever is drafted, the star player either texts that draftee, have a conversation

with them when they come into town, blah, blah, blah, depending on what kind of start. Well, unless you're Andrew Wiggins. Hired before LeBron signed. Hired before, right? Unless you're Andrew Wiggins and LeBron knows and I ain't really going to play with your dog and stuff. I strongly feel like-

They found out after he was coming, after they already drafted. For Wiggins? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So think about it. When you are a player like LeBron, you don't think that he's going to have somebody come to him and ask him, what do you think about these players we're considering drafting? What do you think about this coach we're considering hiring? And then you're going to become a free agent. Are we Do we include LeBron in the draft process and the coaching process?

In his 21st year or 22nd? What is this, 22nd? It'll be year 22. 22. 22. You think LeBron James is going to be walking around the Lakers facility not knowing what the fuck is going on with anything? No, not even.

You think he's going to just be ambushed with who we just hired? Rudy Tom Donovich again Rudy just got a war to Dirty for it just doesn't make sense like JJ is perfect for I don't know why they trying to hide it It's just it's weird at this point who cares if he's doing the finals. It doesn't make sense. Like, J.J.'s perfect for it. I don't know why they're trying to hide it. It's just weird. At this point, who cares if he's doing the finals? It doesn't matter. If I'm the Lakers, I'm stepping on your corner, Celtics.

You might get banner 18, but guess what? No, I'm just saying, I mean, that's just the real, that's just reality of it, right? Anything that's going on, he is the best player on the team, right? He is who he is. Whatever's going on in the organization, of course, is going by him, right? Because there's no way in hell that he signs back and then they decide to bring in some coach, trade Anthony Davis, and then he's stuck with some media.

That is not even a possibility. Rich Paul not having that shit. It's just not a thing because if that ever happened, he's going to be like, oh, I'm out of here. I'm not playing with him. So there's no organization that does that. The top dog on the team is always getting wind of possibilities. Hey, do you get along with this guy? Yeah.

Right? That is a part. That's a thing thing. Right? You'd be damned if you trade somebody and this is his enemy. He done slept with this man's wife or whatever. So he has to give the okay.

Like, what do you think about this guy? Do you think this is a good fit or do you... Right? So there's just nothing there's no Clash of it. Yeah, I mean, I think that would make sense to anybody especially if somebody of LeBron stature and standing in this league Hey Bronis, what we think about doing JJ Redick or Sam Cassell or a reg or whoever it is a being You cool with that like when I would that make you want to stay for a couple like this even me shit I wasn't even up there and you know like a you know, we to stay for a couple more years? Even me. Shit, I wasn't even up there.

And, you know, like, hey, we're looking for a shooting guard. Do you know any? These are the names. Do you know them? And I'm like, hey, Deshaun. And so I had to call Deshaun and talk to Deshaun. When I was a free agent, Larry Hughes called me. Right?

That's how it, like, these are the type of people we're looking for. Do you have any friends? Like, you know, so for the most part, the players are. So when they say, LeBron is filling out his roster. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he's calling around.

You really think I'm just going to let you just bring motherfuckers on this team that I don't know or have the relationship with? And that doesn't play the style that's kind of. So as a star player, franchise player, like you were in were in your day team is coming to you and saying yeah they're asking hey how does this player style does he fit the offense what do you think and are you like no i can't play with that no because for the most part a coach and a coach is scouting but they're not really looking at how a player functions and plays we have to know the game plan right so i have to know how these two play right if i gotta guard them and stop them so when he says hey can this guy fit with you i have to remember how he plays i have to remember the scouting report on them to see if that kind of fits our style of play. And then I'm like, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I know how to use them. That's how that works. And it probably wouldn't have been no shade as far as if he didn't fit, it's just kind of like, yeah, yeah. That's how it would be. He's a little slow on his feet. He's a ball stopper, so that's going to mess up with Antoine. That's how it sounds.

When the Dan Hurley news broke, you've had a tremendous career in college. You have not coached in the league. So those natties don't mean shit when now you get to L.A., deal with the L.A. media market. Same thing with Coach K in 2004 when they tried to make a move for him there. It's like, everything you did at Duke is amazing. But did his contract go higher off of it? We don't know, but that's what I'm saying. But it's not like, ooh, I'm ready to come now.

We got... It just sounds, but what I'm saying, it just sounds dumb that you've been coaching for this long, and everybody knows the next level is the next level. The next level heightens your money down here if you try to go back. Yeah, for sure. Right? It's an upgrade to President yes, right as long as you have the president's stamp when you go back down in these other rooms

You are the king because I'm going to the next level So to say that the next level offered you 70 million and you're gonna sit down here with 23 million That just doesn't sound but logical it doesn't but i went to the next level got sick 10 million dollars a year when i come down i'm technically god now but why leave if you're already god where you're at but you're not god are you paying are you paid like god well get it by me are you paid like God? Well, getting closer. Five million, are you paid like God? Five million a year? Getting closer. Thank God. Getting closer. But I'm not. But if I go here for two, three years and they fire me, when I come back, I am.

You can go anywhere you want. The price of the brick has gone up. Yes. But as I'm saying, so I have to go in here to get that. Yeah, I got to go meet the plug. Yeah. I got to go meet the plug. To get the prices.

I get the prices. Now I come back down here. Give me the Greek. Cut out prop drill. You know, I've been re-watching The Wire. Tremendous series. Because even if I fell down there, I'm damn near 100% guaranteed at this next level. Yeah.

I done coached pros. Right? That is a stamp. That is a gold standard stamp. So that's why I said it didn't make sense. It fools gold. The translation didn't make sense to me, though. We talk about the

rookie coaches coming in from college and knowing that they're not really going to translate to the to the pros like and it's not the the systematic side more than it is coaching players when you coaching certain players that you can't control when you used to control them young men teenagers you can manipulate and tell them this, tell them that. When you talking to them grown ass men, like, hey coach, listen up man, this ain't fucking college. You can move the fuck around with all that running shit bro, we take days off out here, we just shoot around out here. So like how do you adjust? Even Coach K, when you look at Coach K trying to adjust to NBA,

he would say that he would do well because he coached him in the USA. Yeah. He was able to mitigate all those egos. But then you put him

in a situation and you're like, well, what's up, Coach K? Why is it not translating? Now you got to deal with Kobe and Shaq, you know. So it's like,

it's always going to be an adjustment period. But you look at Rick Pitino and all those other coaches who came from college, Rick goes back, he didn't win no chips. You know what I'm saying? Larry Brown. You won, and then you went to college, you didn't win no chips in college.

It's a different game when you go back down, you know what I'm saying? But you still got your prestige, and they still respect you just as much, though. So, we talked about the price of the brick going up. We're going to shift this over to WNBA. Record-breaking numbers women's basketball did during the NCAA tournament has trickled up to the WNBA this season as the league has seen unprecedented growth thanks to the emergence

of a strong rookie class headlined by number one overall pick, Kaitlyn Clark. So WNBA released a report recently. Numbers are beyond impressive. Attendance is up 156% from last year, and more than half of all WNBA games this year have been sellouts. This year's televised games are averaging 1.32 million viewers, nearly triple last season's average of 462,000. Continuing, the WNBA's online merchandise store has already set a single-season sales record

with more than four months left in the season. And sales are up 756% compared to last year. And the WNBA's social channels garnered 157 million video views through the first week of the season, an all-time high and up 380% compared to last year. The WNBA also set an all-time high for League pass subscriptions last month with a three hundred and fifty five percent increase versus last season that is shot WNBA can I guess was no no you're I see you get you out here wait give the WNBA some congratulatory some smoke for what they're not happy about it so what the money before they're not even happy I'm like what are we congratulating because it's yeah we we're trying to congratulate them in the new stuff that's going on but for some reason we're having problems with it so I'm not gonna say anything.

You know what I mean? Can we talk about it? Rashad, is it obvious? Kaitlyn Clark? Beyond Kaitlyn, the strong Ricky Glass. Who? Where did Cameron Brink go to school? Stanford.

Stanford. Not a particularly good university. Stanford, right. A lot of nerds. Alright, and and then and then injuries went to LSU Okay, Louisiana State University Vanlith would have came out right Haley and Caitlin Clark and Cameron bring Do you think they would have been happier with those three coming out instead of Vanleef probably wouldn't got drafted Of course, I'm just talking about just on sheer

popularity. If Paige would have came out... Buckner. Yes. Just say all that. If Buckner would have came out, that would have been a whole nother problem.

Think about that. Those three plus Brink, right? Now, everyone wants to say that Angel Reese deserves more credit for everything. Angel does number. She does number. And listen, she's a phenomenal

talent, right? But the main thing that needs to be addressed is when you're selling out arenas at 19,000, 17,000, when last year they were at 4,000 or 7,000, that increase is coming to see one player. And if we're coming to see one player grab rebounds, are we coming to see one player shoot from half court? No, see, that's the problem right here. They're using the rivalry in college. This is, the NBA, you didn't have rivals and you didn't promote your rivals.

They didn't promote. Magic vs. Larry when they came in. WNBA didn't have, yeah. I'm sorry, WNBA, they didn't promote their rivalry, right? College did. This is a college thing. Yes, bro. This is not a WNBA thing.

This is a college thing, right? These girls made their name in college. Yes. They were college famous. And if we want to be honest and brutally honest, some of you contracts that you're having in the NBA,

the money you made on the basketball court, before these girls got drafted, they already eclipsed this. Yep. Right? So these girls were famous already and they had to come to the WNBA. Time was up for them.

Let's just face that. So you're inheriting something that you wasn't ready for. You're getting something that you didn't even work for. You wasn't prepared for. That is the truth, right? if you take Caitlin Clark out the equation Angel Reese is moving numbers. We're trying to pretend that she's not doing it

Mystics had 4500 she comes in town 10,000 and I think they crafted at 10 it at 10,000. They capped it at 10,000, which is more than what the rest of the WNBA was doing themselves. We can't count aces in Liberty. Those are two drugger-not teams anyway. So those teams are... You can't. Those are the super-duper teams, right? So they have their own thing moving.

The rest of the league, she alone is bringing numbers that she didn't bring by yourself, right? Caitlyn is a whole different beast, right? But we're trying to make it these two when at the end of the day, this whole draft class has a target on their back. This is not a one person. She just has a bigger target. But if you think that everyone's like, when Angel Reese comes in, they not looking her up and down. They are. They up and down because they're getting things that they didn't get before.

They're in magazines, skims, right? She's at, you know, this, you know. The Met Gala in New know, the Met Gala. You know what I mean? These girls didn't get a chance to do that. And it is a thing, right? So when we're

trying to sit here and clap for the success, why should we clap or why are we clapping if they're not embracing it? And they want to keep bumping their head. They want to keep trying to shut the door. Like, she don't deserve this. She don't need to do this.

Cool. That sounds like a relationship. But it's like this. The one thing that we're not, like, we're talking about, does she deserve to be on the team? The answer is no. No one is saying she deserve it from her play. That is not the question. The question should be this. Do y'all deserve more recognition?

Do y'all deserve better jersey sales? If the answer is yes, no one's paying attention to you guys' work ethic and you guys want eyes on you, this person right here, these people are helping that. Right? Because if I ask an owner who owns one of these buildings and they say, hey, Asia Wilson's coming to town. She's going to bring

10,000 people in seats. Right? Clark is coming to town. She's going to bring $20,000. What do you think the businessman is going to pick? He's going to pick the $100,000. That means whoever is hosting her, their money is going up. That's just facts.

Right? If the arenas are being filled that at this high clip That means money has to trickle down to you to you guys. So what you're fighting against you're fighting against yourself That's it because the off the court money The off the court money these girls is gonna clean up, right? They're cleaning up. So they don't need the NBA cash. You guys need the salary cap to go up.

Your 30 needs to be seen. The only way your 30 needs to be seen is 4,500 or 20,000. Which one do you want? You want it at a 4,500 capacity or do you want it at 20,000 capacity? With 1.32 million viewers average compared to 460. This is business. And I think the real problem is,

and I see some of the women out there talking about, if you guys promoted it three years, two years ago, this and this, right? We were. Cook. Let them cook. If you guys promoted it three years two years ago this and this right we were Cook let them cook Let me show you You can't feed us something we don't want to eat

Hmm, right if you go to a steakhouse, right? You go to a steakhouse And my menu is filet mignon and i'm giving you all the filet this is what it's gonna do it got the truffle and all that medium well chef did it and you asked for chicken no matter how much motherfucker presentation i give you on this steak if you want chicken god damn it i have to give you what you want right right? If the public wants Caitlin Clark, God damn it, stop trying to give them God damn steak. It only hurts your business.

You're trying to feed them something that they don't want. If this is what they want, God damn it, load the fuck up on the chicken. Papa's chicken, load... Hey, they got... Listen, we got... Listen, we got... We got legs, thighs, macaroni and cheese. You can sit there and load the fuck up on it if you want to. You're gonna be backwards on money.

You... Hey, these motherfuckers out here want the... the... the chicken? Huh? Chicken breast coming you know what i don't even have chicken but i'm gonna cut these three pieces put it on this bread and sell it to you they're gonna bring in the most chicken until you are done eating it they're gonna maximize the dollar and it's it's fucking weird at this point yeah it. It's bad. It's weird. Can I say this? Lisa Leslie said to Draymond Green, why don't y'all

give us some money of y'all money to help with the WNBA salaries and all that shit, right? Mm-hmm. You got an opportunity that comes years later where you can actually

maximize that on your own by bringing this girl, this girl, and this girl onto the team, maximize availability, audience, resources, relationships, advertisements, marketing. All of those things go up. Like you said, salary cap even goes up because we're investing now into these new players.

These new players we just talked about come from college where they had what? Their own fan bases. In my book, I always talked about when you are a college player and you've developed your own fan base through those three or four years that you did in college, and you go into the NBA, you have your own distinct fan base.

Depending on what city you go into, that's going to show up to see you because you was just there. Oh, we can't wait to see how you're going to do at the next level. These are three players, Cameron Brink. These are the top players. They're all of them.

You know, there's still Kate Martin, a couple of other players that developed the fan base. You know, there's certain people, right? So you look at this dynamic and you say, well, why is it that they're being so unreceptive to these new developments that helped them? Right? So unreceptive to these new developments that help them, right? Then you look at how the older players is just kind of like the and one mixtape. One professor was on our episode and he said, he said, these old dudes didn't understand that we the new money, we the new vibe.

We not trying to take your spot. We're trying to up the pot. We're trying to up the pot. So the fact that I got to take your spot, you know what you got to do? Move the fuck around. Diana Taurasi, move the fuck around. We don't need you to hate on you. You're not propelling're not you're not taking her here Because no one pushed you down here when you came in you didn't do it to Skyler you didn't do it to Maya You didn't do it any of these other girls who came in Simone Augustus and Everybody had a fair chance Now all of a sudden this shit is happening and everybody feels so threatened

because the attention is what? Going to go off you when it was never on you? We was not really, really watching like that. Now, all of a sudden, we're watching and you want us to watch you when you didn't bring us here to watch you. You didn't bring us here to watch you. She brought us here to watch her, but she don't give a fuck about the fucking spotlight. She's like, just watch us all. I love women's sports. She likes softball. She likes all of the women's everything. And that's

not just Caitlyn. Because I know she doesn't really address none of this shit. But I know Angel will. But she's not going to address it in a way that it should be addressed where we're helping y'all. We're helping y'all which in turns helps us all we are helping us they don't say people don't see it like that of course not no one does like i mean because a lot of these women they they own out

they own out so they don't see it they're not they're not even in like you said being loyal to the game right being great like being loyal like yo just be loyal to the game like that's what the game has done, right? This is why you kept going, right? You kept playing. You kept going, playing in the WNBA because this is what you wanted to happen, right? You, this is what happens when you keep going.

So, okay, yeah. But you gotta, now it's time to move around. So why not just take the high road and... Move around. And help. It's like, this is all about, like, this is not about, I think everyone's in their feelings. And they don't understand, no matter what your feelings is, is moving no matter what.

Right. Right? So either you're going to follow the train so you can get fed to, or you're just going to be left. That's how this actually works. So now, if you're a smart businesswoman, fuck your skills. Because if your skills is not being seen, it's going to be undervalued. Right? is not being seen, it's going to be undervalued. You need to now position yourself to be the one that's making the money. The girls

who are the best in this league. You're talking about Asia. I can tell you what's going to happen. If I'm Aces in Asia, Asia is the 17th highest paid player right now. 17.

Not 1, 2, 3, 4. She's 17. When her contract is going to come up, any smart owner who knows business and seeing this shit brewing right here, oh, this salary cap might go up. And I might have to pay some dollars. So most likely, Asia's contract is going to be coming up before this shit get ready to pop the top. So that means I need to sign her to some type of long deal. So that means she's in this deal four or five years before it pops. So Asia's the type of, she's in a position to see.

And now she has to really smarten up and realize, I'm going to have to take a one-year deal, one-year deal, two-year deal. So when it explodes, she's the first one to benefit from it. Because the money, the way it's all moving, money's coming. Yes. Right? Sponsors is coming. Money's coming.

And you don't want to be locked down in some six-year deal, five-year deal when that cap come off. When that cap come off, Asia needs to be the first one to say, hey, four-year, five-year, 20, whatever that's going to be the first one that say, hey, four year, five year, 20, whatever that's going to be. You have to start thinking business because the people that's up here are doing that. And that's all this is. These are business moves. Right? And I know, you know, for the most part, most of these

women have never been in there because everything has been capped off. Everything is a fixed rate. So when everything is a fixed rate, you don't really have to go into anything really thinking about nothing. Right? It's just, all right, this is the best team. Boom, boom, boom. Now when salary caps is going up, now it's a chess game for you. Think about when a tank comes through the hood or comes through the block.

Yeah, the SWAT team. I've never seen a tank do that, but I'm putting my mind to it. Remember in NWA, when it was coming through? Yeah. In the beginning, EC had to run out the window. Who was behind the tank?

That's it. They was behind the tank because the tank coming through. Get behind the tank. It's going to be an easy path for you. The tank going to bulldoze everything over. Just walk behind the tank. You got tanks paving the way for you right now,

and you ain't never really had this type of view. Listen, or quit. I ain't not going to quit. It's not like I quit. I'm not going to quit. No, it's not. Go home. Because at the end of the day, listen,

you're about to kill yourself anyway. Because at the end of the day, you're going to get up out of here. We're going to move you up out of here The WNBA they are gonna move on see nothing, but you know, I think the problem is because we sound so aggressive They don't want to actually listen to the real message Right and the real message is this You wanted eyes on you for people to see your skill right you when people was talking about you need to do all these other things for people to see it you didn't want to do it

right well a group of girls decided to right and the girls the fans the the the the ages from eight to 19. This is who's following. So when you say all these new fans to the W, I want to say, hold on. These are not new fans to the W. These are these girls' fans following them. They're not new WNBA fans. They're old Katelyn Clark fans. They're Angel Reese fans. They're Br new WNBA fans. They're old Kaitlyn Clark fans.

They're Angel Reese fans. They're Brick fans. They're Cardoza fans. South Carolina had their own fucking fans. So even these are these girls' fans moving with them. So they're not new WNBA fans. The media is new here, but they follow them from here. So if we want to be really correct here, because they're not coming to all the games selling out, as you can know.

You go from 20,000 to 4,000, right? So they're not following all you guys. But what you need to do is is just like you've been doing when that 20,000 Crowd is there do you hope right because when you when you do you is spotlighted in a bigger? audience Right, you know Kennedy Right. She was on the radar for doing something like this. So they're like, oh, she's a bad apple. Boom. 25. Oh, shit, she's good.

Oh, Hooper. You know, she's a Hooper. That's it. That's the play. Like the girl who had 22 last night, stole a ball out there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We watching. We like you. That's what I'm saying. You guys go. You guys go.

It don't have to be no negative shit. Just go out there and play the game and ball. LeBron James come into the town. God damn it I need to put on 40. I don't need this fucking hate on him at all He's bringing the light to me motherfucker. You gonna shine on this roach. He might turn the lights on. Hey I can do this too. I say that number zero is kind of good. Let me go ahead Let me check it look like I'm here next time that that's the play here yep right i'm sorry like and i'm saying like if i was if i was a player on the usa team not one that'll get cut but one that has some power one that has some power one that's trying to build my my my resume my endorse, my what's-her-name.

1,000%, I'm like, yo, I want her on a team. Yep. The reason is she comes with something that I don't have right now. And I can use. And I can use. She can use me because she gets to win a fucking gold. Yep.

And in the trade of this gold, I get millions of people to get to watch and know who I am. Slapping hands with her. Yeah. On a thing. That's like playing with Wimby. Come on. That's like playing with Wimby. Like, why would you not want to take a side of that?

Let's go back to the girl that was on first take talking about Stephen A. Smith. What was her name? Was it Monica McNutt? McNutt. Said that, you know, three years ago, you could have been promoting WNBA and da-da-da-da, right? So Stephen A. could have been like, okay, what did you want me to promote? What part? What part?

What part do you want me to promote? Who? What part of the game? Because the part that's being promoted now is the exciting part, which is the thrill of the college game that we were watching, that we all tuned in for, the March Madness, the Final Four, the championship game. None of that was WNBA.

So that promotion alone warranted when they come here, we're going to say go watch them play. They was exciting. So, Monica, for the three years that Stephen A might have or might have not promoted, tell us what was he supposed to be promoting? Because I said to Lexi, I was like, well, this is not our critique of what you guys do or don't have. It's the fans critique. The fans are paying for the tickets, so if they don't see nothing that they want to see,

they're not going to fucking... Like you said, you can't force them to eat what they don't want to eat. You can't do it. So now that they got something that they want to eat, chicken with wings on it. Buy it. I want that chicken right there.

For crispy. Take that steak in the back. Take that steak in the back. Take that fish in the back. Bring me that chicken. With that in mind. But just so, I mean, just so it's really understood. Just, and it's rude, but it's real. These new fans are not new fans of the W.

So it's all fair across the board, right? So both sides really understand that the new girls, right, y'all have to earn y'all respect from the WNBA players. WNBA players, you need to earn your views and fans from these girls. That's it. So when these girls come to town with their fan base, your talent... Needs to stand out. Needs to stand out like it normally does to earn and take some of their fans. We're talking about a bunch of college girls.

When people talk about... We're talking about a girl who literally averaged 27 every year from freshman year to her fourth year. Crazy. When people talk about Angel Reese, the new fans,

they're saying, oh, because she did this. This is not what she was known like stop though. This wasn't hers This was a mimic to the girl who was doing this. Yeah, and made her stop doing it. Yep. Andrew Rhys was huh? too little too little She give everybody was too little in college one leg down Everybody too little double-dudouble. That was her. So it was just two forces that ran into each other. That's what that was.

Then you had Paige over there. What was the sellout crowd in the preseason with Iowa? Oh, they played at the football stadium. It was like 50-something thousand. This is before you guys. This is what I'm saying. They're using the words new WNO. This is these girls' fan base following them. 55,000, I believe.

55,000. 55,000 fans for a college preseason game. Girls' game. Women's game. Iowa versus the 5,000. As much as you want to take your credit and take both sides got the same argument. One has to decide

you didn't earn your spot. The other one says you don't earn our fans. Earn our fans. Facts. These are fans. That's the sound. These ain't WNBA fans. These are our fans. They can walk around with that swag. That's the sound. And everybody wins when you do that. But now let's move on to Mosey fans. That's some facts. Presented by our friends at Underdog Fantasy as always.

Download the app, use promo code Gil. You can receive up to $250 in bonus cash and a special pick-em. You guys were cooking. I appreciate you guys as always. You know, everybody can win. It's obvious. Is it obvious? We're not trying to be mean. We're just like, come on man. But everybody can win. And that's the thing. Everybody can. Don't y'all want to eat? Don't take it out of context. Because they take everything out of context. It's like, if you just stop

with your emotions and listen to what we're saying for a second, you'll find logic in a little bit. You might not like the delivery, but the message is... Skims, like skims, Lululemon all this man this is they try and we know we have an important topic a question that discusses from underdog user daddy MC daddy MC Chris Brown verse usher who is the better

artist Chris Brown verse usher who is a better artist for shot I'm merely host I ask the questions as they appear in our rundown. From Daddy MC. Get him $50 either way. The check is already in the mail. I'm going Chris Brown. Why do you pick Chris Brown over Usher? Because he's a comparison to Michael Jackson.

Usher does not. Usher's longevity is very nice. You know, he's a very good artist. Yeah. You know, he paved the way for Chris Brown. Okay. But he's not a better singer.

Not a better dancer. Fair. Who has better records? Hmm. Ah. You just talking stage presence right now. Like who got the better records? But the problem is, God damn. Who had Jermaine Dupri?

Ah, that's a good one. Who had Jermaine Dupri? Okay, so what is the criteria here? Because I didn't want to answer that. That's what I'm saying, because you're talking about stage presence and dancing and all that. Who had Jermaine Dupri? Okay, so what is the criteria here? Because I didn't want to answer that. That's what I'm saying, because you're talking about stage presence and dancing and all that, but I'm talking about who just got better records. I'm talking about ability.

Records? Yeah, records, like records. Who got the better records? He got the better catalog, I think. I think, I'm sure. No, I can't. Oh, no, that's what I said. It's so hard.

After Confessions, it's like, what do you do after that? We got Moving Mountains. You got a couple songs here and there. I mean, it's here and said. It's so hard. After Confessions, it's like, what do you do after that? We got Moving Mountains. You got a couple songs here and there. I mean. Yeah, it's here and there. Here and there. Like, Heartbreak to the Moon. I got somebody that's better than both of them.

If we had to break down and take the greatest songs that they have, that's a good-ass battle. That is a good versus. That's a good-ass battle right there. Because, you know, versus usually stop at like 20 Yeah, both them got at least way more at least 50 I just did some quick googling don't don't take my word for cuz Google can't betray you sometimes But the Chris Brown has more total records sold worldwide than us But hmm, but he probably has but that's not fair cuz but others that he probably got way more albums cuz that motherfucker just keep going

Yeah, um must say I'm not saying dropping albums like that Vegas residency number albums. So this is according to Google again can't confirm or deny So usher 150 million total records sold worldwide. How many albums have Usher have so let me that's so different we give me the albums It's the it's the era usher has more than 33 million albums united states 65 million albums worldwide Let me see chris brown album sold again. This is according to google. Are you saying how many no not album? How many albums? Yeah, how many albums made let me see brother i'm going you know what y'all put me to work i'm gonna go i'm gonna go

with breezy The reason i'm gonna go with breezy is before he fell So chris, 11 studio albums. Usher, 9 studio albums. 10 compilation albums. 8 extended plays. And 81 singles. Chris Brown, 11 studio albums.

1 collaborative album. 1 extended play. 9 mixtapes. 63 singles. 63 singles. And how many singles does Usher have? 81. Wow. Then Chris Brown is killing this man, Dan. And he's the three single and how many singles the ushers 81 Wow, then Chris Brown is killing this man Dan. Yeah, it's not even damn Chris Brown is blowing him out

cuz he's with the less a keys with the less albums and all that but the numbers is I'm going with Chris Brown because Where he is now shows you how talented and gifted he really is because how many people could have went through that type of um scandal at their early age and still make it back to that top right oh like that means that means most of the music you were putting out during the time where people didn't like you they wasn't even listening to it. So that means you had to really, really keep pushing through and standing on your music for people to even listen to it. That takes talent.

That is like with Kobe, right? You know how you have to get some bucket, bucket, buckets for people to just be like, nobody give a fuck about the 40, the 40, the 30, the 40 he got how many 40 40 40 40 and then and then become a fan again so that means he was he was here got kicked down in here and still made it back that is gift so the fact that i'm going with i'm going with breezy the fact that i know what really happened in that whole scenario that brought chris back down to earth to earth and Usher was letting it burn out there, you know what I'm saying? It just didn't get... He didn't recover from them burn scars after all them years.

So it's like the Super Bowl shit is an accumulation of what he used to do. The residency, what he has in Vegas is all the old music, but Chris Brown, his talent, his songwriting, his ability to shake the crowd, his performances, he's giving you 25, 30 track albums. He has so much music he still haven't released. His work ethic is similar to Tupac's. It's out of this world. So I just always go on talent. The Stash is cool, but Chris is a different dude. And he did it at what, 11, 12 years old? They both were young. Yeah, they both was young when he was doing it, but I just think Chris is...

That's a real good window. That's a we have to check. I mean my favorite I'm gonna pick neither one I'm gonna do that. I mean well that's I mean my favorites in jail, so He better than both of them No We asked the chair who's the better artist, 62% said Chris Brown. We will discuss it after the show. We appreciate everybody in the chat for pulling up to another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy.

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