Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena ERUPTS Debating If The Old School NBA Had Skill

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

Gil's Arena ERUPTS Debating If The Old School NBA Had Skill as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Magic Johnson responding to Anthony Edwards comments that Michael Jordan was the only old school NBA player with skill and give their take on whether or not the future face of the NBA is right to say this generation is more skilled. Next, they react to Cooper Flagg signing with New Balance ahead of his college season at Duke, discussing if the young phenom made the right move with this historic NIL deal and share their experience with signing their shoe deals & designing their first signature shoe. Finally, the crew reacts to Nikola Jokic & Luka Doncic sharing a court during Goran Dragic's farewell game this weekend, sparking a discussion on which duo would form the most lethal partnership in league history. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Brandon Jennings & Rashad McCants Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A Special Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:11 Brandon's Return To The Court 0:07:03 Gil's Pickleball Dominance 0:10:13 Reacting to The Kelce's $100M Podcast Deal 0:15:45 Cooper Flagg's New Balance Deal 0:25:45 How It Feels To Design A Signature Shoe 0:41:59 Did The 90's NBA Have No Skill? 0:56:36 Goran Dragic's Farewell Game 1:52:08 Best Exhibition Game You Played In? 2:04:34 Luka & Jokic Finally Team Up 2:11:44 MostlyFans 2:20:32 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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How everybody doing? We good? We got mixed feelings over here, man. We are, man. everybody doing? We good? We got mixed feelings over here, man. We are hustling. We grind. We grind out here. Yeah, we got mixed feelings. No designated off day.

Okay, I see. Sean, you got the white. Rand, you got the black. I like it. Yeah, man. Black segregation. This just feel good. Go get your tough crowds, man.

Tough crowds is very comfortable. Hostile out here. Very hostile out here. But this is very comfortable. It's hostile out here. Very hostile out here. But this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us. What's up, Gil? What's up, what's up, what's up, what's up? Got us working.

Soccer jersey collection. You going? Okay. Soccer time. Football, as it's known. Football. We got NFL football season coming up. Less than nine days away now. known. Football. We got NFL football season coming up. Less than nine days away now. Yeah.

Yeah. You're a football fan now, whether you like it or not. Unfortunately, yeah. Whether you like it or not. Unfortunately, right? You pick the team yet? Huh?

Pick the team yet? Rams. Yeah, okay. I'm just going to stand there. That's safe. Okay. That's safe. Who you going with?

I'm Raiders. Oh, so two Raiders. Eagles. Eagles. Okay. Canyon and the Ravens. Ravens, Canyon. And then Nick Young is the Bears. The what? He's a big, yeah, he's a big Bears fan. Who would have guessed that? That makes sense. No, he's been a Bear, I guess they're from Milwaukee, so their home team was. Oh, no, okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait. He kind of looked like a Bear too. But that's the Packers, but. Yeah, that's crazy. But Chicago, only like an hour and a half drive.

So he's a big Chicago fan. Man, they've been trash for a while, too. Is there a correlation? I don't know. We will discuss. Nick will be here Thursday. We'll talk about it. We got Mr. B, Brandon Jennings, back in the building representing Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd University, and Gills Arena Season 3 merch, which will be on the way soon, like the hat. Ayo, they said Anthony Richardson is the next great quarterback. Yeah.

Colts. That's a fact. On what team? We will discuss. He got hurt last year. We done seen football dudes talking basketball, so now basketball dudes will be talking football on that ass.

This is what it is. And we got Cemetery Larry Rashad McCants back on the couch. Take care, Drake. Oh, no. I just saw that. Wow. Ain't no game twos, man.

Pick a side. Ain't no game twos. Game twos is not the deciding game. Oh, man. Not when you get knocked out in game one. In the seven-game series. You ain't like the rollout? Hmm?

You ain't like the rollout? Nah. Rollout was great. The 100 gigs? Yeah, the 100 gigs, all the old footage. Take the pressure off me. Y'all love me. Think about all the shit I done for the culture type shit. Oh, yeah, that's powerful. Yeah.

That was hard. It made sense. Yeah, that's what... After you get killed, you're supposed to. You're supposed to roll out all the memories. All the memories from yesterday. Remember what I did for y'all? Don't give up on me. Nah, it ain't don't give up. It's like... It's like, here you go. Hey, y'all don't give up on me. No, they don't give up. It's like it's like hey y'all

Yeah, I'm about the I'm about the whole nother Everybody come on you to come on anyone that's Coming up They want to get on right like what he did was sexy red anybody want to get on it right? Like what he did with Sexy Red. Anybody that want to get on is going to go to Drake because the other person don't do features for nobody. Facts, facts. We only kill people. We just come out and we assassinate.

Remember, that was the thing I was saying. I was like, well, at the end of the day, he gets to revive himself because everybody that's coming up, when they want a feature, they're going to come to Drake. They're going to come to Kung Fu Kenyan, Kung Fu Kenyan. Like, y'all ain't West Coast kids.

Beat it. Then it goes all back to Drake again. Once Tory Lanez get out, there ain't going to come to Kung Fu Kenyan, Kung Fu Kenyan. Like, y'all ain't West Coast kids. Beat it. Well, once Tory Lanez. Then it goes all back to Drake again. Once Tory Lanez get out, there ain't going to be no more Drake. Once what? Ain't going to be no more Drake. Who you think going to be on the album? Nah.

Drake. They don't fuck with each other. Yeah, they do. They do fuck with each other. When Slime get out, who you think he is? They're going. It goes right back. Yeah, they're going right back to Drake.

Because the dude is a killer. He's not, like, he just murders. He doesn't embrace anybody. That's the only problem. So when they jump inside, they jump inside. So the dude don't, I don't need you dudes. Beat it, beat it, beat it. It's like, ah.

Y'all jump to the side. I think the rollout was hard, bro. You thought it was hard? Yeah, like all the old stuff. I mean, I mean I like watching YouTube videos of seeing artists make music So I thought it was there but we seen the Jewish Drake in a long time hmm Jewish That no Had a shortcut you see his nose and everything. For all the fans out there, two viewing options

for the show, our traditional version, the vertical mobile version, for everybody watching on their first, pick whatever version you want to watch. Just make sure you support Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. We got a lot to get into. Before we do, though, Brandon, this weekend, you were back on the court

getting some ones in, and you tweeted the following. You said, I played ones last night in Malibu. 3-0, jumper still falling. Rashad, you saw that tweet and proceeded to comment, play ones in the Valley then. Stop ducking me, little nigga. Don't make me come find you, LOL.

Brandon, you saw Rashad's response, quote tweeted it, and said, i'll make you never want to pick up a ball again that's a fact so when are we getting the mr b versus cemetery larry one-on-one game presented by underdog fantasy we got we already played no we didn't we ain't played one one so whenever by the way i was playing one-on-one in malibu at kai house yep kai was there he can vouch two o'clock in the morning killing and you know Kai only dribble on grass So we hooping on grass, you know, like it's all grass Yeah, so as we hooping on grass killing killing. Yeah, maybe eight moves and everything

Mmm, play a lot of like on grass on in beat to work on that. I'm going with you. Thank you. All right Thank you. All right No, I'm going with you. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. It just doesn't make any sense. All right. All right. No, I'm sorry, man. I'm in on grass, Gil. No, that's not the problem. The problem was I'm doing NBA moves. That's right. Like he's a high school kid that getting taught the NBA package.

I'm doing all NBA moves. You NBA players. You're supposed to only have. That's all you're supposed to have is NBA moves. I'm a hooper. I'm a all NBA moves. You NBA player? You said you're an NBA player? That's all you're supposed to have is NBA moves. I'm a hooper. I'm a hooper. I'm just a hooper. Your package is supposed to be all NBA moves.

No, I'm a hooper. I hooped everywhere on this world. So I'm just a hooper. I'm NBA everything. So I just happen to hoop in the league. Yo, I'm doing NBA moves now. Yeah. That's what you just sounded like.

I mean, yeah. I'm doing like, you just graduated the NBA moves. I mean, yeah. I'm doing like, I'm just, you just graduated the NBA moves. I mean, yeah. I could have been doing high school moves. I could have taken that. What the fuck is high school moves? High school moves. What is high school moves?

You know. You in high school doing. You know, could have been out there dancing all day. That is high school moves. Then I was just getting to it. There you go. I'm just doing the NBA. Yeah, I'm just getting.

Yeah. The NBA package. Oh, just one, two, three. Take it down. Yeah, take it down. Come on. Oh, you're not doing it NBA. Yeah, I'm just getting. Oh, the NBA package. Oh, just one, two, three. Take it down. Take it down. Oh, you're not doing it. Come on. I went out there just.

Okay. You're doing an AAU move. No, yeah. I could have been out there just dancing, dancing. Brandon, what kind of grass were you playing on? Turf. Turf. Very expensive turf.

Okay. Just make some turf like this. Very expensive. That, you know. What rich nigga put turf and a goal in the same? A nigga that got handles that dribbles on the grass. At what point are we playing and we dribbling on grass, though? You never know.

Just something different. It's coke. Different. You never know. Just in case you got to go against a football nigga, let's just go out there. Just show you. They put a goal out there.

Just in case they put a goal out there. Just in case somebody challenged him. Yeah, what's happening? My shoes perfected on grass. I was wearing cleats and regular shoes. No, just regular shoes. Okay, just make it short. That's why they don't ever invite me, man, because they know.

I still got it, though. It's good. You should. I'm proud of myself. You lost it at some point? No, I'm just saying. You know, I sit here, chill, talk. You know, I don't be picking the ball up like you.

So it's like just doing it on a random. Like, imagine what I'm... So we asked the chat, who wins in a game of one-on-one? 70% said Mr. B, Rashad. Of course, they know. Well, that's because recently a lot of those people were upset because of my LeBron James slam. Yes, that...

So they're not going to go with me right now. They got to wait till this shit calm down a little bit. We will get into that tomorrow. I'm a pickleball champ. Not at all right now. You play pickleball? Yeah, you're a pickleball. Killed him.

Out there. Hey, pickleball is tough, though, because you got to go like this, right? Nah, he wasn't moving. He wasn't going nowhere. He was just killing it. Ew. He was serving it. I went on YouTube. They told me,

like, yo, we playing pickleball. So I had to go, looked at all the rules, found the loopholes, got a paddle, ball, started working on the spin. Oh, that's easy. You can't pop. You can't stop that. Well, they're 9-0 had him old white man you should join our league

Right he was getting ready to say boy Damn I don't graduate you know the first day to miss or Boy you I done graduated on the first day to Missa Arenas. Damn. Oh, shit. They let you drink water, though? Boy, you play pickleball, boy? Yeah, I'm all right, man. All right. All right. I left there.

Missa Arenas joined our team. Sheesh. They let you use their water fountain? Mm-hmm. They lost to them. Got a pickleball league. Go on, go on, go on. Go on, get to the good water.

That's the good water right there. Jamie Foxx. Jamie Foxx be doing the pickleball. Yo, according to sources, you were cheating during pickleball. The pickleball league. Pickleball league. Can you confirm or deny? The pickleball league. Get all the celebrities coming. They go according to sources. You were All the pickleball league Ball league get all the celebrities come all the celebrities already doing I know yeah, uh-huh Jamie Fox you cheek Sam Peeve Sanford's all of them. Oh, yeah, you know Katie Jimmy Butler. Yeah, they've been So we will have pickleball tournaments coming up

presented by $100 Fantasy. But here's what's cracking in the arena today. Tom Brady thinks the Knicks have a finals appearance on the horizon. But is he spitting or tripping? Magic Johnson clapped back at Ant-Man for saying MJ was the only skilled player from his era. Which players from the 80s and 90s would still be stars in the league today?

Well, look at the leather. That's that good leather. And Luka and Joker teamed up at Goran Dragic's farewell game this weekend. But how scary would the Luka and Joker duo be if they joined forces in the league? I feel like it's coming at some point. But before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy. Go ahead, download the app.

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Let me go ahead and borrow re-up, man. I got you, dog. You got more than me. You got more than me. I got 88 assists, man. Y'all got to get on this WNBA. I've been on. It's always one to fuck it. It always kills me.

The flex entries, man. Six to eight. I'm going to go six for eight. I tried to go with my math from last year. Under everything. No, it don't work. Over everything. Nah, man.

They balling now. Appreciate you, Kelsey Mitchell. Dude, they want to... As soon as the camera came on, they want to ball now. Appreciate you, Kelsey Mitchell. I'm going to average five balls for the last six years.

I didn't want to average 12. That's why it's hard taking the lower because you'd be stress watching. Definitely be stress watching. Don't get the rebound. Please don't get the rebound. Please don't get the rebound. That don't count. Sub her out.

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So take advantage of that site-wide special using promo code GILL. And speaking of the Kelsey brothers, big bag coming through. Oh, man. They went over to Wondry, $100 million deal. Podcast game seems very, very... They got their...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what? Excuse me? $100 million deal for the Kelsey brothers. They're showing new heights. Who gave them that? Wondry and Amazon, I believe. Oh, Amazon. I thought you said Underdog.

Underdog also has Big Bags. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Competition. Might, Amazon. I thought you said Underdog. Underdog also has big bags. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Okay. Competition. Might be time. Nah. Nah?

Might be time to see. Congrats to Travis and Jason. I ain't no competition. Leverage. Yeah. You know. I mean, they got the... Get Tim on the phone.

I mean, they got the, you know, the help of the Swifties. Swifties, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that helps, but, you know, it's just like anything. It's still a, it's not an everyday show. Right, so it's still a whole different lane.

For sure. Right, most of those, good for the community, though, Gil. No, no, I mean, hey, listen. During a football season. All boats racing. They're stepping, they're, like, that's the best thing about podcasting. That's why I say no podcasters should hate on each other because when I first got into the game, there was no bottom end, right?

There was no, they didn't know how to measure it, so everybody was getting paid pennies. And I remember me, Joe Buttons, I remember the first call I got was from Joe Buttons. We was on Complex. And he was like, how much you getting paid? No, no, because he was like, yo, if we don't, like, talk to each other, he said this is not like, you know, sports where our salary gets put up there

so we know how to leverage. He said the fact that none of us know each other, no one talks, they can undercut everybody. So I was like, yo, I'm getting 20 a month. He was like, cool, this is what I'm about to ask for. So when it's time for you to re-up, you know what I'm getting. So, you know, once he opened the door,

it was like, oh, shit, like good shit, you know, keeping contact and from there, you know, talk to Matt, Matt, what you getting? This is what I'm getting. And then from there, you're informing everybody out there what everyone's getting so everyone knows how to move. If not, you know, you'll sit there and get paid for your show $2,000 a month and thinking, you popping.

You get a million views. And then you have somebody who's getting 50,000 views. And everybody, yeah, I'm getting 10,000. Everybody, wait, hold on, dog. You know, so it was easy to undercut the market so the fact that you know the Kelsey brothers is now so everybody knows how to move cuz all you have to do from there's just numbers what year was that did you talk about you would you talk to Joe 2018 that's I had a podcast deal with a guy who was with the Phillies he

was best friends with Ben Simmons mm-hmm and I did like one episode and I trashed Ben he cut that shit off that's what I didn't like I didn't like the podcast because it was so like sensitive to who you talk about who you you know criticize and then once that podcast deal was oh I was just like man I'm going to metaverse shit. Then it boomed. Yeah, like I remember hearing T.I. I was like, man, I didn't know people was getting bags off of him. Yep, because he had his own shit. Because he had his own stuff and got

out right as soon as he got out. Boom. A couple months later, it booms out. Wow. Expeditiously. Yeah. Well, shout out to the Kelsey's. We appreciate y'all. All of them. Shit, everybody, man. Everybody in the game doing it. All of them. They're moving the needle in this new world. So is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy?

Do you think everybody should have their contract? Do you think everybody in other professions should have their contracts be public? Just like how they do the NBA? You know what everybody makes in sports. I mean, you know, the big dogs will, the guys who's faking it to make it. Because I can tell you, I remember watching this documentary, it was called like 7Ms.

It was like 5Ms or 7Ms. It was about this dude that had a group of these dancers, right? He put them all on the contract, and these dancers going out there being famous and getting all this money, and he was making it all. Some of these other content creators are under deals like that. Yeah. Where it looks like they are rich, but the deals they made ain't getting them that money. Right?

So they're getting all the millions and all these popularity, but someone booked their asses for these deals, and they're not really making the money that they want. So they're not going to let you know how much they're really making. Yeah. That's like a 360 deal. Right? They're not even worse than that.

Worse than that. Content creators and 30s. Right? It's like I get the check comes to them, and then, oh, yeah, you got expenses I don't did this this this this you don't eat this this this is $20,000 And it $20,000 a month to someone who wasn't making it a lot

But but you got a channel is put it in for five hundred thousand and you got millions and millions of followers That's the the conversion is I'm gonna give you the fame and the followers you're gonna give me money And that's what it is like Charles and Miss Netta. I mean, they so young they don't understand Yeah, they're not understanding like I'm turning down money. I'm taking fame but think about it, but it works on both ways It's is Without me you wouldn't be famous acts So you owe me it's it's a and take, right? You take this deal. I'll push you.

I'm the one who's going to, you know, make sure you get famous. And they're making all the money in the back end. So it's like, how do you get out of the deal and then become your own entity? Got to get big enough to have your own machine. That Lou Pearlman. I follow, like, hip hop. Did you see what happened with Lil Yachty and Caribou? Yeah, I seen that shit.

You know who they are? I know Lil Yachty, yeah. Okay, yeah. Caribou is... His i've seen that you know who they are i know a little yada yeah okay yeah well caribou is his look his artist is that the girl yeah he's yeah did you see that stuff i've seen something where he he said he wrote for her and then she went and said no you don't or something and she performed yeah he was going crazy knocking the k in the hole yes he's just like oh y'all broke everything he went on. He went on his Kanye shit, man. He can't do that. Yeah, he can't do that.

Yeah, he can't do that. It's the artist. It's still your artist. Right, you did it. You signed it. Keep that to yourself. But as always... But the music industry

is a cutthroat anyway. I'm just gonna be honest. Yeah, that industry. Like, that's a pitfall. Like... Like... I remember I was talking to Simba about it and I was like, and I said

something to him that he didn't even think of. I said, just like a, just like an agent, right? As an agent, we don't understand this. Let's say I front you money as an agent, right? I'm like, all right, I'm going to front you 500,000 out of my own money. Well, I got to charge you interest. You know, because I already got taxed on it. So I got to charge you interest to recoup my money and get a little extra back because I'm not doing it for free. Right? So think about all those dinners them niggas be going to and all that.

That's coming out of y'all pocket. It's an advance. Yeah, so you you pay you pay ten thousand dollars on a meal i'm gonna recoup it write it off and get interest and get in hey but that's what all the old school rappers was talking about with them them deals that they was doing they was giving them that bread they never had before you got a million dollar advance and they like oh this, this is just my money to spend. No, nigga, that's your budget.

That's budget money. That's music videos, advertising, marketing, travel, security, food, all that. So once you spend that, that's we looking for that money back. You got two years to get that back. And they get it back off the music, right? But if you don't put the music, you spent the budget. You spent the music budget to make the music. Right, right.

Studio time, all that shit was in the budget. You spent a million. Now you in the red. Now you got to go back and get another advance. Yep. That is the life. But back to our schedule program. As always, we do mostly fans.

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We do have some sad news to report. We were scheduled to have a backyard boogie this Saturday for our season two finale. podcast. We do have some sad news to report. We were scheduled to have a backyard boogie this Saturday for our season two finale. That backyard boogie has been canceled, but on the bright side,

no vacation. We will be doing shows all September bringing you Gil's Arena all throughout the month of September. We are a football show now. See, even the smoke don't even want to agree. The smoke went on vacation. we are a football show now see even the smoke doesn't smoke doesn't smoke doesn't smoke don't even

want to agree that's okay the smoke went on vacation we ready to go you hear the the raucous applause from our crew

to signify their excitement we will be here all September doing Gills Arena unfortunately back to our boogie canceled

but Kenya still got to bring that barbecue though so that that is the most important think he started cooking it yet? Hell no. That motherfucker's fucking mad. Like, nah, nah.

Bring it to Gil's house. But let's get into the show. Nah, nah. We just not going to gloss over it. Yeah, because I had some work coming up. I had some shit planned. I had some shit planned, man. Cancel a lot of shit. So basically, fans, what they're saying

is there's no end to season two. We just going to keep going. Just keep going. One day, season three. Ride this motherfucker out. I just listened. Season three, there's a season three decorations came. I was like, this looks like some classic shit.

Did you see it? Look at this, man. I don't know, catered and everything. Yo, signed off. On the season three. Oh, I think I got mad and erased it all. Oh, that's hard. Oh, yeah, that's nice.

As the chat pointed out, we just had a vacation. That was not a vacation. That was a temporary break. That's dumb. Yeah. Yeah, that's tough. Rejuvenation. That ain't happening now.

It ain't happening. That was going to take the time to do. Yeah. We're just working through it. So now we're going to go into, so we footballers now. We are a football show now. We're going to be a football. Helmets are on the way.

But we're going to do something a little different, y show now. We're going to be a football show. Helmets are on the way. But we're going to do something a little different, y'all. We just, we're going to be, we're going to be different. Can't tell y'all now, but we're going to do something different. We got some things in the work. All right, but let's get into our. We don't want them sumbitches taking our shit. Facts, because they already do too much of that. And they're going to take ours.

Gil's Arena football is going to be different. The facility. The facility. And they're going to be. Arena facility. Okay. Gil said, I want to take Gil's off of it. And you to be a gift. The facility. And it's going to be a gift. Arena facility. Okay. Gills said, I want to take Gills off of it. And they said, you know, they say, the facility.

We all support each other. Facility, arena facility, all part of the same. We better not have a mole in here. That's all I know. That's somebody's feed information. Y'all, you know who the mole is. Who the fuck is the mole? I ain't going to lie.

It's me. I needed the bread. I needed the bread. You caught me. I needed the bread. Get him. Get him. Paulo, get him, Paulo.

Get him. Oh, I just thought about that. I'm not sure I can even actually do it. Not yet, Gio. Don't tell him yet. Yeah, there's no chance. Don't tell him yet. Not yet.

Not yet. Let's get into our show. So, Cooper Flagg is projected to be the number one overall pick in 2025, and the Duke commits surprised many with the announcement he signed an endorsement deal with New Balance. So Flagg joins a New Balance roster that includes Kawhi Leonard, Jamal Murray, DeJounte Murray, Tyrese Maxey, Zach Levine on the NBA side, and Sparks Ricky Cameron Brink on the WNBA side. So Flag grew up in Newport, Maine, which is 25 miles away from the New Balance

Skowhagen manufacturing facility, New Balance headquarters in Boston in the New England area, for all you familiar. Oh, that's perfect. Yep. That's perfect for him. And as a kid, his mom would take him and his brother to the New Balance annual tent sale

to buy the family their one pair of shoes and backpack for the school year. So they got New one pair of shoes and backpack for the school year. So they got New Balance shoes and New Balance backpack for the school year. So Flagg will still likely have to wear Nike for games and practice while hooping at Duke, but will still appear in New Balance ads, including the one that dropped on Monday

with his announcement. So Flagg is looking to become the first white American hooper to be taken number one overall since 1977. Do you know who the first white American Hooper to be taken number one overall since 1977. Do you know who the last white American Hooper to be drafted number one overall in 1977 was? Duh. The reason that all the stats are being, the reason Giannis gets cheated, the same reason Jokic gets cheated out of MVPs.

It's only one person. 1977, Gil. Last white American Hooper drafted. Who is it? Do your math in your head. It's not... It would have been Larry.

It would have been Larry. Larry Bird was not drafted in 1977. No, he was not. Wasn't he drafted and he stayed back in school? Larry Bird was...

Yes, that is true. That was not 1977. When was he drafted? Was it, what, 80 maybe? 79, 80? He wasn't number one? Not in 1977, yo. I thought Bird was in the same draft as Magic.

Bird in 78. Bird was 78. Following year. That's a six fit. Incredible stash. Incredible stash. I never knew that. No answers, no? I'm going to let them go. I'm going to let them quit. I'm not that. No answers? No?

I'm going to let them go. I'm not paying attention to who got drafted in 1970. Bill Walton? Wait, wait, wait. 77, when was the merger? 76, if I'm not mistaken. First white. Go number one.

Last white American Hooper, go number one. Tell them. Kent Benson, number one overall pick by the Milwaukee Bucks in Beat up. Yeah, you know the third pick that year was your daddy my daddy Hey, you know, I did the first pick that year your daddy my daddy. Okay, my daddy the power for what? Yeah, remember that was yeah, he went forward power. He was a bus and then got his ass beat up first game Kareem get Korean that one hitter quitter. That's Entryway into the nba

he gave kareem an elbow to the gut kareem so when yeah yeah so when y'all watch the highlight of that it's been going viral a little bit when kareem got hit and then he punched the dude that was the number one pick that is the last white american be taking number one on raw but back to cooper flag who very well may be the next in 2025. Good move for Cooper Flagg to sign with New Balance. Hell yeah, being from there, being from Boston, right? He's from Maine, but in the New England area. Hell yeah. They all eat clam chowder.

It was surprising. I thought he was definitely going to go Nike, but now that I know where he's from, yeah, no, it makes perfect sense. I mean, they don't really have a face anymore. They tried to with, what, Kawhi Leonard and who else was over there? They got Jamal Murray, DeJounte Murray. Yeah.

Zach Levine is in the New Balance team. Jack Harlow. Yeah, so for that, yeah. I'm rolling. I want to say congratulations on the new deal. You know, just signing a deal and, you know, getting under a company, but the face of something, unfortunately, your shoe company matters, right? There's only been a few people in the history of the game that's outplayed

and still became a superstar worldwide in something other than a Nike or, shit, even an Adidas. Adidas or Converse even back in the day. I mean, we're talking about new generation. We're talking about since Michael Jordan. Okay. Right, you know, Converse was popping before Mike came to the scene. Okay. Ah, man.

Because I, what I was saying, because when people are like, well, I'm surprised he didn't sign with Nike. I'm not. Unfortunately, Nike must see something that they didn't, because there's no way Nike... When Nike's coming, Nike's coming. They don't not... That's a fact.

Right? If they wanted Cooper Flagg, there was nothing New Balance was going to do to keep Cooper Flagg from signing. They will throw a bag at you that's unreal if they think you are going to be a part of their future. Yeah. So, unfortunately, he falls under the same category that Jokic fell under, that Embiid

fell under, that any big man falls under, that Nike doesn't touch those big guys like that. Like, Nike just don't fuck with white people like that. What? Right? White athletes, right? When it comes to basketball. Okay.

Not all the rest of the sports. But I'm saying for Cooper, it makes sense. It makes perfect sense. Who wore new balances in our society? White people. That was very, very, very, very popular. Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs wore new balances yeah right he

had his own little market right called apple yeah cooper flag is hitting the market that's in need of some type of diversity especially in the sports realm kawaii wasn't really that polarizing cooper got a nice personality and it's college so he's college, so he get to test the waters in college. Are they testing it right now? Yeah. And then you look at Maine. You talking about Maine?

New Balance? New Balance walking shoe? My question to y'all is why aren't athletes trying to create their own shoe? You said what? Why aren't athletes creating their own shoe brand?

Well, you got to come up with a name first and then a brand. That's not hard. Yes, it is. No, it's not. You don't have the capital. Why not? The fear for marketing and promotion. What capital do you have to start your own shoe label when you first come into the NBA?

I'm not talking about when you first come into it. I'm talking about just in general, all the athletes that we have now, KD, Kyrie, even Brian. Why is Brian not branched away from Nike and started his own shoe where he makes the shoe? It's the LeBron shoe. It's no longer Nike. Why are we stuck under the brands?

Where's the entre... Because Klay went away and went to ANTA, right? Mm-hmm. Yep. And he was able to create his own shoe, but he's still in the ANTA. Lemon Daddy, he created his own little shoe. sugar right under somebody else Kyrie could have done it Decided to go with a brand because because I was like because at the end of the day the funding still comes from when you're trying To talk about funding you're still talking about the same

company But when you're talking about generating enough money to create your own shoe, you have to get outside funding. Fund raise. Now, who's going to fund against Nike, Adidas, and all these guys for you to be able to...

We watched what happened to Big Boss. Angel investors. Yeah, I'm about to say. We all... Yeah, yeah. But again, who's going to go against because at the end of the day, when you're trying to push your shoes somewhere, the same companies is coming in and like, no, no, no. You want to put it in full lockup? No, no,

no. You want Amazon to cut? No, no, no. You sell it from my website. You sell it from my site. You sell it from your website, you're boxed in anyway then. The only reason why Ballerbrand didn't take off is because the son didn't sign. Right. He signed with a plumber.

If he signs with them, they go up. Facts. Yeah, it does because it's him. It's him. It's Melo Ball. Yeah. You need the money for it. You don't have the money for it.

Where are you getting the money? That's what I'm saying. You need the distribution and you need the quality of the product. For sure, right. You're putting out to market. You get a hint. That's what I'm saying. That was the issue with the big Ballerbrand stuff, the ZO2s, which a lot of

people still say, why Alonzo had to It was a cheaper version because they didn't have the money. They go fundraise. You go fundraise and you say, this is our pre-order market. We already got these orders ready to go. We already have a demand for the product.

We just need the money to make the product. The same people that want to invest in my career, you can invest in this too then. Facts. That's how I'm looking at it. See, if you're going to give me money and talking about okay, well, you know, you're going to do in your career for your body. All right, well then this is else what I want too then.

If it was that easy, then they would have already tried it. Jordan would have did it already. They thought about it. They wasn't thinking about it back then. I don't think nobody's thinking about it. But the Ball Brothers were. People are stupid. I mean, you think these athletes are stupid? You think Michael Jordan didn't think about it back then. I don't think nobody's thinking about it. But the Ball brothers were. These people are stupid. You think these athletes are stupid? You think Michael Jordan didn't think about, I can build my own, I am Michael Jordan?

No, not like that. He stuck himself into the contract. He stuck into the deal. The deal was a lifetime deal. Tiger got out. He did a lifetime deal. Tiger Woods got out and did his own thing. He just signed a new deal. He did a lifetime deal early on.

Whatever Tiger deal is, Nike has a hand on it. So he's done. He's done with Nike. He has his own Tiger Woods. He has his own Tiger. It's his Tiger Woods brand. I guarantee you, when you start going behind the scenes, Nike is helping fund it. Nah.

So let's get back to this Cooper flag. So I think there were some reports that Flag was interested in getting a signature shoe. Would have been a lot harder to do with Nike. But we talk about Kaitlyn Clark obviously signed her huge Nike deal. Should have a shoe coming on the way. But does New Balance now give them opportunity to not necessarily, like you say, Rashad, create his own lane but through a company that obviously they got Kawhi's shoes but isn't as big on the market as some of these other spots.

And they got flexibility with their budgets. With him making not only a signature shoe, but a whole campaign behind it. Hometown kid. Yeah, hometown. The commercial was fire. You know what I'm saying? Like, they only gonna build on it.

And people who wear their shoes are predominantly white. So now it's tap, for sure. The biggest market that sells New Balance is D.C., black kids. That's the biggest market of New Balance is the D.C. market. Did we ask Rich why he did of New Balance is the DC market. Did we ask Rich why he did the New Balance deal? They do have...

Did we ask Rich why he decided to go with them and not Nike? Because he's in with Lin and George and all of them. So, just think about it. Cooper Flacco having everybody in DC black wearing it. And it plays well at Duke. It plays well at Duke. It's up. It plays well at duke is up they're definitely gonna have a place well at duke in some nikes you know i'm saying if he's got this

deal and he plays well it's only gonna go but what i'm saying he's gonna be he's gonna be performing in nikes yes at duke right and then when he comes to the nba he's going to have his shoe. But for the larger picture of it, he falls under the same category that every big man falls under. Think about Nike. Think about who Nike has. The only big that they do have that they push you is Giannis. And look at his game.

So the fact that his game plays like a guard and it's like, doesn't Cooper Flagg play kind of like a guard? Why didn't you sign him? What about Wimby? I was about to say Wimby. But that's what I'm saying. Wimby's an anomaly, though.

Yeah, and it's like, well, Cooper, all you had to do was give you a signature, so they had no plans for him in their future. Why? Because it's oversaturated. Nike, as a company, is oversaturated with talent. No, no. They have too many players. Who? Yes. Nike. No, they, well, so. Nike has too many guys. Nike does. Yeah, but not signature. Nike, but not signature guys. Nike does. You're bringing in a young guy that

wants that. He hasn't earned it yet. So you can't just give it to him over the guys you already got. You do what you do. You do what everybody else do. I'm just going to sign you so they can't use you. I don't want the competition. Why would I do that? Why would I sign with Nike if that's what you're gonna do to me? They didn't even offer I'm not even offering you in a that's what I'm saying. I'm not even offering you a signature shoot. That's that tells you That tells you right there like they wasn't planning on giving him wasn't because they're used to Bar play what guy I guarantee you whoever the two, three pick is will be under Nike. What guy have they given a signature shoe

out of high school? LeBron James. One, right? One. LeBron. LeBron. That's it. I think Antoine.

No, Antoine, no. Who? I'm thinking T-Mac, but it wasn't T-Mac. He's neither one of them. It was just LeBron. LeBron's the only one. Out of high...

I mean, there's not a lot of high school. Kobe was with Adidas first. Yeah. And he didn't sign that deal while he was... Kevin Garnett. With who? And one? No, he was with Nike.

Coming out? Mm-hmm. High school? Yep. His best shoe was the... You remember the one with the blue, like it had like a little wing on it? That wasn't out of high school. Wait, that was his shoe?

Yeah. And that had some fire, there's a bubble in the back. I know what you're talking about. He had the fire. I know what you're talking about. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. But I didn't know that was his signature shoe. But just, but again, it's the big man thing.

They don't think big man can sell shoes. It's, like I was for sure number one pick and he's supposed to be a generational guy like that's all Nike but he not number one pick yet it's projected projected if he plays good at Duke yeah boom boom boom we don't know what he gonna do that's an investment that they're making it's a risky one definitely a risk but it's easy for Puma cuz it's all upside for you but usually Nike just they just sign everybody and just put them under an umbrella and just see. Right.

But as an athlete, I'm not, that's not enticing to me. I'm not trying to be under the umbrella. If I can potentially have my own shit, nah, fuck that umbrella. Y'all all under the slave contract. Y'all got to do, like LeVar was saying, y'all, PG had a shoe. He was like, PG has to accept whatever design that they give him. That's a fact. That's a fact.

You can't go in and say, I want my shoe like this. They come to you and say, these are the three options we came up with. Which one you want? Yeah, that's a fact. I heard KD say that. That's a fact. They ain't got no say-so on what they... I mean, you do.

Huh? You do. For the most part. I mean, you don't have a full design of, I mean, you can't say, I want my shoe to look like this, feel like this, all this. You got no creative control. Yeah, no. They're just walking in.

You gotta sign a deal for, I mean, you gotta put that in your contract. That's the point. That's what I'm saying. That's why I think that Cooper didn't go with Nike, because they not giving him no control at all. But they didn't offer him like that. That's what I'm saying. Think, like,

even with the Boozer, Boozer, right? His game will be the same thing. Like, they're going to sit there and like... Right? Yeah.

They need that... The guard moves the product. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Like, it's like... With the two brothers, the older brother Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Like, it's like with the two brothers, the older brother would be, he going to sign. If he signs a Nike deal, it's going to be just, we going to just sign some other competition.

Other than that, he's going to be with Adidas, Puma, whatever. The younger brother, a guard, most likely, would sign for a Nike deal. But what bigs have thrived under any shoe company? That's what I said. It's Patrick. Nobody. But that's what I said, when you think about Yoke,

people don't realize Yoke just don't have a Nike deal. He's with 305. He's with 304. He's with the whole. Who's that? 304. 304. What he's with?

360. 9-2-1-0. He sound like. 360. He's with 360. Don't know what that is.? 360. 9210. It sounds like area code. 360, like he's with 360. Don't know what that is. Don't know what that is. Nobody getting, or 360, 361. 361, yeah, that's right.

The 361 degrees. Who is that? I don't know. I don't know either. Ain't nobody getting robbed. Ain't that an Asian company? Got these jokers. That's an Asian company, right?

I think it's, I don't want to say it. I don't know, yeah, I don't know. I don't want to say it. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. I don't want to say it. So, question for you guys, though. What was your experience like signing your first shoe deal? If you could go back down memory lane and remember. It was fire.

What was that feeling like? Me, Chris Paul, we were heavy Nike guys. And I remember the market year before, Sebastian, the White, all them guys signed them big Adidas deals. So we were kind of looking at gauging day payment and thinking we was going to get that type of bread. But we ended up signing together. And I remember that day like it was yesterday because we had been Nike guys the whole AAU college, you know situations and um

For me personally, it was like I remember going to the Nike campus And they had you know Welcome rashad all that shit and I went into the office and he had this big ass life-size poster of Wheaties Like a Wheaties box of me holding up the championship. And it said, Breakfast of Champions. And it was like, national championship, me holding it up. And I was just like, yo, if y'all don't send that shit to me, bro, and it was just like being on campus.

And you know, Len Merritt, George Ravlin, shout out to them. And Keith Vini, Keith Brown. I was a Nike guy. I was definitely a Nike guy. And I was shooting tours, not only having my shoe, not a signature shoe per se, but I was a part of that family.

So it was an exhilarating experience. A lot of motherfuckers don't be understanding. I was one of them. I just never panned out to be. That's why YouTube, Google is your friend, ladies and gentlemen. And Brandon, shift over to you. Kind of unconventional at the time going with Under Armour, but you had an untraditional

path going overseas, kind of did things, moved to the beat of your own drum. I obviously remember some of the merchandise and branding back in the lockout in those days, but what was it like for you to sign that first shoe deal with Under Armour? It was nerve-wracking, just off the fact because I was making the decision to go overseas first, and then, you know, going to Vegas, then meeting Chris Stone and chopping up with him, and then two weeks later, I'm signing at Under Armour. So it just happened so fast. Then, you know, just walking around the campus at Under Armour, being 18,

you know, not still realizing what I'm about to do, becoming a first-team athlete. But just walking in there with Sonny Vaccaro and just hearing Sonny Vaccaro say, yo, young fella, you good? Everything's gonna be taken care of. Trust me, I got you. So then, you know, just signing my first million dollar contract with them was just like, it was just unreal.

Because it was just like three months from there and I was like, couldn't pass the SAT, was trying to figure out if I was gonna go to summer school in Arizona being in New Jersey to flying all the way to Vegas to sign in the contract and then you know it was just like hey it was it was just when you go to boys school brah huh when you go to all boys school SAT there's a lot harder it's not all boys school and that's not why they just flagged it but honey be just going in but it was like three people you know like couldn't cheat it was like three people in the room but yeah but But it was like three people. You know, like, couldn't cheat.

It was like three people in the room. But, yeah. But, no, it was just like, you know. You couldn't cheat. I mean, you know, you could cheat on the SAT. Because, you know, they give you two different tests. If one person isn't there in the seat, like, one of the persons get the same type of test. You had it figured out, huh?

Yeah. They had it figured out for me. Damn. You didn't have your tutor right here. Damn, you didn't have your tutor right there. Damn, you didn't have your tutor right there. They had to figure it out. Wait a minute. Huh?

Uh-huh. Man, it's crazy, man. You didn't have your tutor right there? Next to you? No, what I'm saying is the person that wasn't. Why are you taking the test? Well, the person that was supposed to be there wasn't there. It was an open seat, so the same person had the same test as me.

So, I'm sitting next to me. And you sitting there doing this? Man. Yeah. Hell yeah. Did we all have the same tactic? The look around? I mean, you could have just told her,

just write my name on your test. Just Brennan Jennings, and I'll write your name over here. She got to get in, too? Switch it at the end. Scoot, scoot. So, Gil, you started with Reebok right before you went to Adidas no I started with Adidas okay the whole time high school all right I was I was pumping runs shout out to the pups I was the guy Adidas and Gilbert then went to a Nike school, of course. Okay. Right?

So when I was, you know, talking back with Adidas, you know, for the deal, you know, Reebok was giving me the most money. Right? Fifteen grand. Fifteen grand. Right? It was 15 grand and then $20,000 of apparel, which ended up being a lick for me.

Why was it a lick for you, Gil? Because the football jerseys was Reebok at the time. Yeah. Right? So all the dudes back then, it was throwback jerseys. Everybody wanted jerseys. Facts. So I used to use my apparel money to order the shit and then sell it to them.

That was before hardwood classes. Yeah. That's crazy. And I do customs, so I always had like a corny shit. Because, you know, it's like, who is it, Juvenile? All his sayings, I used to put it on the back of my football jersey. Ha. Ha, ha, all around?

Yeah, yeah. Back that ass up. Back to your head. You have all that goofy shit on the back, yeah. She get it from her mama. She said, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. She get it from her. She get it from her. Halloween is Halloween. She get it from her mama. She get it from her mama. That's it.

So did Dana and them have any influence on the deal, the Adidas deal? Yeah, so basically, so my first two years was under Reebok, which Jason Richardson helped me get. So that was cool. And then when I was a free agent and then got my name out there, then I went back with Adidas, which is crazy because, you know, that picture they always show, I'm in a Wizard jersey, and I got on 95 runners because I was still negotiating, so I was a free agent again.

And then so I was basically wearing, went back, wearing Nikes, runners. And then right before the season started, I signed with Adidas. And then punched up the rankings. Yeah. So you guys talked earlier about just the signature shoe game and not having a lot of input.

So for both of y'all, how involved were you in the design and the release of your first signature shoe my okay so the first my first real shoe it was just a low cut i just wore a low cut and then it just wrote gil zero right you know the gil zero yeah yeah and then i got my first signature shoe it was going um i think it was like my second year like i was already like a two-time all-star at the time but i was heavy i was really heavy into it right because i was like um so if anybody goes back you will realize that the um the adidas sign wasn't traditional so i said you know what um because you know how adidas had the three stripes and i said just tradition if you look at all the

shoes that's out there their logo your logos is too big it takes up the artwork of it right it's like so my first one i I was like, yo, can you put the logo on the back? So if you look at my first shoe, the, uh. Right over there, right? Krista, can you get the shoe? The yellow one? Yeah.

Uh-oh. Dang it, dang it. The yellow one yeah Thank you, thank you, so yeah, so I had his own shoe so instead of having the three Here to mess up the design. I had the three put on the heel part of it. Okay, ask them that yeah I thought this is where I want my look so so this was the design I came up with and then part two I said I want my shit to look good here like I'm you know the MJs this and this and then put the look because they're like well we got to put the logo somewhere I was like put it on the inside of the shoe so if you look at my uh gill zero twos the the three stripes is here okay now so like if you look at James Harden's he got the three stripes in the back so they started getting creative of moving it it didn't hurt it right right and that was that was the thing that

was like oh we got to put our logo somewhere i was like yes like this is what people look at when you're walking this is what people this needs to stand out so and you can remix you can so i said like you know when i walk boom this way you can see the three stripes so it was one of those things where i consciously thought about, you know, like Stan Smith, you know, I started putting up everywhere. Stan Smith don't have the three stripes on it. They sell like crazy. So I said, your logos is too big,

just planted everywhere. You gotta have a smaller version of it. And that was my thing, I was like, you know, I like to wear Stan Smith's. I was like, you don't see, you know, three stripes in the middle of the goddamn shoe That's where the design is so nobody did that before you Nigga right here. How about you yourself my first shoe? It was named after a car freshener the black ice

And that was a good one yeah, so that was a good smelling one, too So I was like my first show shoe, I wanted it to be called Black Ice. And my favorite shoes growing up was that Steve Nash shoe he used to wear with the strap. He used to have this Nike shoe with a strap that he used to wear. So I always wanted a strap on my shoes. And then, so the first one was named after Black Ice. And then the second one, like you said, we kind of more have like creative input on it. So it was named Bloodline. So it was the bloodline of my family

from like going from Rome to Oak Hill to Compton to Gardena to everything. So, and that also had a strap too. So, but a lot of my shoes are just more of like strap base. I see you gentlemen doing a mental kiki with each other. What happened? What, a man can have his own shoe? Look at me. No, no, no have his own shirt? Look at me.

No, no, no. Look at me. You see that bullshit he just gave me? Bloodline come with my family. For sure it did. You gangbanging on shoes, dog. Of course.

Okay, I was, young. It was my environment. It was not the cripple. I can't cut. Banging on breakfast. I had red, blue, green, everything. This is like the bloodline, like really, dog. Family.

My family, the bloodline of my family. I'm trying to go back to Compton. Your hood? I'm trying to go back to Compton. They was letting me get away with it. What's up? How y'all mad? I'm back.

I'm back. I'm back. I was in Milwaukee. I had to come back home. Like, hold on. Come back home. I'm still here. I'm still bread. Had the whole come back home. Like, hold on. Come back home. I'm still here. I'm still brand new. Had the whole hood wearing it. Red, blue.

He was a cripple. As soon as you heard it, you're like, hmm. Yeah, that's not that. Nah, nah. That's the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They sold him, my friend. They sold him, didn't they?

I got it off. I went in there and got it off. Great move on your part, Mr. B. So we asked the chat, Cooper Flag joining New Balance is right move, wrong move. 71% said right move. And before we move on, I'm just going to read you a list of rookies with signature shoes.

Stephon Marbury and one. So Iverson with Reebok. Shaquille O'Neal with Reebok. Michael Jordan, Nike. LeBron, Nike. Hakeem with Etonic. Etonic. If you don't remember,bok. Michael Jordan, Nike. LeBron, Nike. Hakeem with Etonic. Etonic. If you don't remember,

big-ass Etonics. Damn, I gotta find them. I gotta find them. Used to say, Grant Hill with Fila. Jerry Stackhouse with Fila. And Lonzo Ball, big baller brand,

short-lived, but it was a moment in life. I got a question for you. Yo. Oh, someone said T-Mac. Oh, T-Mac did put his shoes... Wait, which one is the first one? See, I didn't... So that's not the first one, because we got those.

This may be... No, because that's the same one. What is that? I'm not sure if we ever got the first T-Macs. When I was at UCLA, we were basically at Peter's Feeder School. It says T-Mac 2005, the All-Star ones. Yeah, no, those were later, yeah. I remember we got those in the tournament. Yeah, those were later on.

So why did they say 04 All-Star? Didn't T-Mac get his in 03? His signature shoe in 03? Yeah, but which one was his very first shoe? Let me pull it up. The ones where he did the blue and red, right? Nah, I was in the lead when that came out. Hey, yo.

So you said the MAC ones were these ones. Oh, those might have been it. Oh, yeah, see, so, yeah. Yeah, nah, we were, you said it was the D at that time, so we were the feeder school, so we got the new the Mac ones were these ones. Oh, those might have been it. Oh, yeah. See, so, yeah. Yeah. Now, we were, you said it was the D at that time, so we were the feeder school, so we got the new Kobe's when those came out in 2000. Yeah. Then we've got all these. Because I remember this 2004, right?

So look at this, right? Yeah. Much cleaner. But this is Orlando. Yeah. Right? That's not his colorway. I remember Orlando didn't have no red in.

Yeah, none of that. So I don't know if that was his all-star, but watch. Look, because me and T-Mac was doing it at the same time. Was that the all-star he threw it off the backboard? I think so. Yeah, when he was wearing the red. That was in LA, right? Yeah.

Or Atlanta, one of them. So here. Those ones. Yeah, one of them. So, so here. Those ones. Yeah, I remember those. Right, so I don't know if the, can we, so like if you look at these shoes, there it is. Right, so we wasn't allowed, remember, we wasn't allowed to wear colors. Oh, so you wasn't in the league yet. We wasn't allowed to wear colored shoes.

Just black or white? But we had orange jerseys, and I to wear colored shoes. Just black or white? But we had orange jerseys, and I'm like, would I wear black or white? That looks... Great. So I had to make them, and every time I wore those, they tried to find me, so I had those.

I had the orange ones for that orange jersey we had, and then I had a blue joint. Watch, it was the same shoe, but in blue. It matched the road uniform. And then that's when Adidas was like, well, we can't afford to pay it. So when I started reading all the language in it, and then I realized, okay, you can't wear it for the full game.

You was taking them off at halftime. I was taking them off at halftime. That's when you started doing that halftime thing. Yeah, changing the shoes at halftime. This nigga in. Oh, so that's when you started doing that halftime. Yeah, changing the shoes at halftime. This nigga is a little trendsetter, man. Gil will always find a loophole in everything that he does. Every single time. You will not outsmart this man.

But let's keep this thing moving. Anthony Edwards never wanted to bite his tongue. In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Ant-Man had this to say about 80s and 90s hoopers, saying, quote, didn't watch it back in the day so I can't speak on it uh they say it was tougher back then than it is now but I don't think anybody had skill back then Michael Jordan was the only one that really had skill you know

what I mean so that's why when they they saw Kobe they were like oh my god but now everybody has skill so didn't watch it can't speak on it then spoke on it several players Several players from the era responded to Ant-Man including Magic Johnson who offered this response during an interview with Stephen a Smith respond to a guy that's never won a championship. There's not nothing to really say. He didn't win a college championship. I don't know if he even won a high school championship. So Magic doesn't respond to people who haven't won championships while responding to people who haven't won championships.

I didn't watch it, but they suck. Mm-hmm. But it is worth noting, Ant-Man did win a state championship in high school his junior season at Holy Spirit Preparatory School in Atlanta, but do you understand why Magic is upset with Ant-Man's comments about the 80s and 90s? Yeah, because that's his era. I mean, his opinion is, you know,

I respect his opinion, too, just like, you know, people have their opinions all around. So, I mean, I respect his opinion, too. Just like, you know, people have their opinions all around. So, I mean, I don't see nothing wrong with it. Is it an opinion, though, or is it a... I mean, that's his opinion. Let's say Hooper's in the 80s and 90s. Oh, come on. Is Magic's statement an opinion?

I mean, that's just how he feels. But what was his statement? He didn't have a statement. I don't respond to people who haven't won championships. That's a... But what does that have to do with... I don't respond to people who haven't won championships. That's a... I think Magic is offended that he mentioned Mike and Kobe as being the only guys in the era with skill, and he knowing that his skill set has set him apart

from all the point guards in history. He's like, well, so passing and making assists and winning ain't a... Ain't a skill. Opening up movie theaters in the hood, also a skill. Yeah, with unlimited strawberry soda. Unlimited. They always...

Unlimited, Steve! We had never seen that before! I agree. Unlimited. I agree with Anthony Edwards, and we all agreed with him. You agreed? We all did. Don't say we did.

We all did. Who? When we talked about Jordan, what did we always say? He was more skilled than everybody else. Did we not say that? Well, people have said he's more athletic than everybody else. Playing against one of them was more talented. So we was like, woo, he was far ahead of everybody else.

And then when Kobe came, we was like, oh, shit. Kobe's skill level is crazy at 18. We did say that. But we didn't say Kobe was the only one with skill. No, we said compared to when Kobe came in in 96, him as a shooting guard,

he was already compared to Michael Jordan. So if Michael Jordan's skill level was a 10, so when Michael Jordan's skill level was a 10 and Kobe came in at 18, his skill level already was like,

oh shit, he's more talented than everybody else. He was moving better than everybody else. So even if Kobe was an eight in skill level at 18, we already had him moving better than the rest of the class in 96. We're mixing up skill with talent. He said skill. We didn't say nothing about talent.

That's what I'm saying. They're mixing up skill and talent. Because Kobe didn't come in as the most skilled or anything. He was talented. Who was more skilled than him? Kobe was talent. He was pure talent. He was pure talent.

More skilled, not talented. Rookie year AI? Talent. Pure talent. Pure talent. Both of them was pure talent. He was pure talent. More skilled, not talented. Rookie year AI? Talent. Pure talent. And skill. Both of them was pure talent. They accumulated skills along the way. Along the way, Kobe got more skillful

because he honed in these things about the fundamentals of the game, the way Jordan did. Along the way, after Jordan stopped using his athleticism, he got skillful. So what Ant-Man is saying is like, you're talking, Ant-Man's talking about talent. Skill.

Ant-Man's talking about talent because he's matching his talent. He's matching his skill. Ant-Man can't go out there and give me half spin, full spin, up and under. That's move. That's skill. That's skill.

Right? He's doing pure talent. I'm just going to jump over you. No, skill. I'm just going to jump over you. It's footwork. That's what I'm saying. Y'all mixing it up. First of all, with Magic Johnson, I hate when people do this. right he's doing pure talent i'm just gonna jump over no i'm just gonna jump over work like that's what i say y'all mix it up first of all what magic john magic like i hate when people do this

when someone says a general question about there's how many people was in nba in 80s uh let's say five four hundred people probably like three fifty orifths through 35. Okay. I'm just... How many were skilled? In what year? 20 people was... When we say not just skilled. In the 80s, yeah. In the 80s. We're not talking about good. Skilled.

Isaiah Thomas. Isaiah. Isaiah. John Stockton. Was he? Yes. He was skilled like Isaiah Thomas. Yes. no why not kareem ball handling passing the ball your skill it might not have been it wasn't pretty like we're talking about high we're talking about

hakeem we're talking about extreme we're not talking about four level four skill we're anthony elwes is a tenon skill so you have to think about where he's thinking at, right? So you're talking about magic. Yes. Bird has skill. Hakeem Olajuwon was skilled. Michael Jordan was skilled, right? So when you take the 10 people out out of the 400, there's 380 people who falls under this category. So we don't need Isaiah Thomas coming out defending. Nigga, we're not talking about you. So if I say, hey man, majority of these girls in here are ugly. We don't

need the four pretty girls to come up and say, you talking about me? No, motherfucker, I'm not talking about you. Move them. All of them. We're talking about the field. Right? So I hate when the talented people come out and you try to

be offended like the rest of your people was skilled yes isaiah thomas magic right there two people man only said two people of did they have jordan skill these guys really didn't have skill like that jordan not like that like see there's a key word to jordan skill like that. Only Jordan. Not like that. See, there's a key word. Not like that. Jordan is level 10. It's like a car, dog. Right? Jordan's level is 10.

How many were moving on a level of skill level like him? That's just scoring, though. We're just talking about scoring. Dennis Rodman is skill. That's not skill. When we talk about skill, we're talking about offensive. Come on, you know that. No, we're not.

No one talks about defensively. But that's because they're one-dimensional. So Dennis is still. They're not real strangers to the game. Let's just keep it in the context. Let's keep it in the context. His skill. There's only a few people that was moving skillful, right?

Hakeem Olajuwon, Michael Jordan. Dominique. What part of the skill? He didnwon, Michael Jordan. Dominique. What part of the... He was... You throw Dr. J in there. Was he skillful? What moves did these people... Come on.

Bird, Bird, Bird. George Gervin. Maybe. Remember, for the most part, people in the 80s didn't even dribble left-handed. So it kind of hurts. It kind of, like, it started moving. Like, when Tim Hardaway came in. Like, the 90s is when a lot more skill came in.

Larry Bird wasn't skilled. I said Larry Bird. So you're saying all of the guys like that need to just move out of the way. Move out of the way. So who is he talking about? Move out of the way. So then who is he talking about?

So we can shoot, so he, huh? So then who is he talking about? You're talking about he talking about all the guys that are not NBA guys not all NBA all Hall of Famer guys Let's not all of it. You did most people didn't in the hall when we're talking about skill We're talking about moving first of all the movement in there was handicapped by dribbling anyway, right? So when you're talking about Isaiah when we say I sell Magic, and you put their skill level in and then say, all right, how many other point guards in the era match their skill? None. Kevin Johnson.

Rod Strickland. That's 90s. Come on. You're saying 80s and 90s. You're saying 80s and 90s. Chris Jackson. He's not talking about fucking 90 to 99. When he mentioned Kobe, Kobe came in in 96.

Boom. And everybody's like, oh, shit. So 80 to 99. When he mentioned Kobe, Kobe came in in 96. Boom. And everybody's like, oh, shit. So 80 to 95. Like, when Kobe came with the cross, that's a whole nother movement. Allen Iverson.

But you know he's not talking about those guys. So we capping it at 94, 95. So who is he talking about? 94, 95. Because when Kobe came in, that's where it stops. Like, oh, shit.

Kobe. So who is he talking about then? If he's not talking about those guys, what guys are you that's where it stops. Like, oh, shit, Kobe. So who is he talking about then? If he's not talking about those guys, what guy is he talking about? Everybody else. Like who? Everybody else inside of those guys. Okay, how about this? How about this?

Name every shooting guard. Was Tim Thomas skilled? That's 90s, all right. That's 90s. It's still Kobe. That's within Kobe. That's Kobe. That's before Kobe.

So before Kobe. Yeah, so when you talk about the shooting guards that played in Jordan's era, It's still Kobe. That's within Kobe. That's Kobe. It's before Kobe. Before Kobe. Yeah, so when you talk about the shooting guards that played in Jordan's era, and he played against, where is the... Rick Chapman was skilled. Shout out Rick Chapman. You're just making this nigga point. You're just proving his point. Rick Chapman was skilled.

You need to look at them. Keep going. You need to go look at them highlights. Keep going. You need to to look at them. Keep going. You need to go look at them highlights. Keep going. You need to go look at them highlights, man. Keep going. Think about this. Think about what you're saying.

We're talking about skills, though. Now, think about who your name is. Now, think about when he watches it from his point of view. Which he said he doesn't. Which he said he doesn't. His talent, his movements, when you're looking back at that, he's like, this is

not... That's not skill to him. That's not skill to me. Right, because he's talented. He don't know what skill is. No, even moving. He has no idea. These niggas can't move like me. You take away my jumping ability. I still got footwork. That's not... You take away his jumping ability. He still, his footwork is impeccable still. Ooh, that man? Yes. He ain't got there yet. That's not. You take away his jumping ability. He's still his footwork is impeccable.

Still. Oh, man. Yes. He ain't got there yet. Oh, my God. He ain't got there yet. Name another. He's working.

Name another 22 year old that had footwork like him in history. Thank you. And man. Yes. Yogi just Yogi just skilled. Right. Right. Are we.

Embiid is skilled. Yes. Right. Skills. Skilled. Yes. Right? Skilled. Skilled. Yes. Right? Is Zion skilled?

Talent. Okay. Is Giannis skilled? Talent. Talent. Right? So he falls under talent. You're not giving Giannis no...

So skilled. Skilled. And we're talking about... Oh, he got a spin move. I think what he's saying is something you don't have to rely on your talent to get across. Joker don't have to rely on athleticism

and all that shit. It's pure skill. But you got to remember, once someone like Hakeem put into motion a guy who had all that jumping ability and he still had footwork and skill, right, it's a thing. So the 80s was handicapped by rules anyway.

Yes. It was rules. We've seen Dominic Wilkins do a regular year-round, they called it travel. So the argument itself is handicapped by, what's in it, by just the time frame. So having a package today, he can say we was unskillful. Because his package is more advanced than everybody else.

So what he's saying is true. He's already said it. It's just like Brandon saying that our generation was trash and whoop woo, woo, compared to his. And then we look at theirs and we're like, all you niggas is talented. Y'all niggas don't even know how to play.

But that's not the argument. You can't change the argument to say, well, you couldn't last on our era. That doesn't, that's not the argument here. He's just talking about his, his movement compared to y'all's.

My car today is faster than your ferrari you can't argue that yeah but that was how he said the way it's like how you say man back then i ain't really watched but man ain't nobody really had no skill like that back then that's why i'm really not really interested in watching because they really and then you think about the guy who was the back then like the fuck is this nigga talking about we didn't have no skill i respect you got me fucked up bro but i respect you that's why kg and them felt the way they felt about the shit they're like hold up but there was a lot of niggas that had real skill back then if you're going to be a student of the game niggas study the game don't ignore but what had came before what am i studying but what am I studying if I'm better than you?

It's not even about being better. It's not even about... No, no, no. I'm looking at that fucking tape for it. What I'm saying is it's not about being better. Y'all are moving it for the argument. I'm going back to early 2000s. 90s, right? 80s.

The 90s moved better than the 80s, right? They had more moves than the 80s did. 2000s had more moves than the 90s did. 2000s had more moves than the 90s did. 2010 has more moves than them. These new niggas got way more moves. That's just the evolution. This has nothing to do with who is better. That is not the argument

who's better. The argument is skill. Who has more skill? These guys are more skillful in movement patterns. why you think they can say oh shit Kyrie's the best dribbler in history yes because his era allows he has a more updated version than a Tim Hardaway and more than Isaiah Thomas and more than white chocolate that he is allowed to do more things

with the ball itself. Because he dribbles more. No, he just... Isaiah Thomas used to dribble the hell out the ball. Get off the ball, bro. That's not the argument we're not talking about. Just before, it was bouncing the ball like this. Then it gave you a little of this. Now you got the full of this.

So the moves itself, they've created more moves. It's just... It's an argument that's pointless. It's like, my Ferrari is faster than yours. Yeah, yours was top shit in the 80s. If we race today with your version and my version, the governance changed, the wheels has changed,

the brakes has changed, so my car is naturally just faster than yours. Let me ask you this. Is going back door playing off the ball a skill? No, that's not... No, that's not... Not a skill? You're trying to...

No, I'm just asking a question. No, no. If I hone in the point you're talking about offensively, me having a bunch of moves is supposed to be a skill set. That's the argument. Right. So everything else to do with basketball, when passing to your teammate,

cutting, being able to be smart enough to know when to go for the offensive rebound, how to get position for the offensive rebound. All of these different things are skills. That's not the argument. What's the argument? Dennis Rodman rebounding and throwing his he's not part of this argument.

What's the argument then? The argument is the people Jordan played against in his era, they wasn't as skillful as him. That's what he's saying. What's the argument then? The argument is the people Jordan played against in his era, they wasn't as skillful as him. That's what he's saying. He's saying he's going against better competition. He's going against better competition. That ain't what he said though. That's what he's meaning to say. I'm going against better competition than he did. Go back to what he said.

What? I will read it again for you. Not like that. They wasn't like that. I'll read it again. I didn't watch it back in the day, so I can't speak on it. They say it was tougher back then than it is now, but I don't think anybody had skill back then. Michael Jordan was the only one that really had skill. You know what I mean?

So that's why when they saw Kobe, they were like, oh, my God. But now everybody has skill. So everybody has a... Michael Jordan was the only one that had talent back then, talent and athleticism. Everybody has. So everybody. So see, everybody has a, everybody. Michael Jordan was the only one that had talent back then. Talent and athleticism. And now everyone in the league has the same thing that Jordan has. Talent and athleticism.

The skill, skill, everyone that was playing back then, that's why Magic Johnson came out and said, what the fuck are you talking about? Everybody has skill. When we was playing, because we had to have skill.

Because everybody wasn't athletic. Mike was the only one athletic. He wasn't talented. We all, everyone else had skill. We all else, we had to survive on our skills. Niggas was drug addicts. We still had to survive on our skills. It still went out of performance.

It still. He's saying the same thing. Even your dad, even your dad. He's skillful at that position. He's saying the same thing. He's just using a different word. No, I'm not. He used skill.

You're using talent. The words are different. You're just saying the same thing. How about this? Michael Jordan was the only one doing what Michael Jordan did. Does that make it better? He was talented. Michael Jordan was doing the only thing Michael Jordan.

He was the only person of his kind. Does that help the argument now? Because you're just changing his work. How would you form that? When it comes to Michael Jordan, right, moved, jumping ability, everything. He was the only one of his kind.

Right. Right? Is that a true statement? Yes. Okay. Well, depending on where you going to put dominique shooting guard dominique was a three man how many how many shooting guards had a 40 plus inch vertical in that era one who david thompson okay sean kent probably four man so you say the guard as far as shooting guard yeah probably just one or two. Okay. Now, where does he rank in shooting guards?

Mike? No, David Thompson. Depends on who you ask. History. By the consensus. Not even top one. Not even top what? Nothing. Yeah, 25, top 30.

Okay, so basically all Jordan's competition in that era did not even have the physical tools to keep up with him. So he was basically a Bugatti and everybody else was Honda, Civic, and most people, like most everyone, all the shooting guards were 6'4". They didn't have no jumping ability, right? So who he went against, he's saying they wasn't talented, meaning they wasn't athletic to keep up with him. Today, everybody, me, I got a 40-something. Everybody I'm going against has a 40-inch vertical that can jump with me. So he's saying, like, nobody was a Bugatti like Mike. What I'm saying is a Bugatti's only good when it's going this way and it's going fast.

It's one dimensional. It looks good and it goes fast. You know what this Honda can do? I can park and I can get the fuck out of here. I can actually hit the motherfucking curb, bounce off that bitch and keep on riding. You know what you're going to do when you hit something with that Bugatti? You're going to stop. You're going to call the motherfucker. I hit something with my Bugatti. I hit my Bugatti. But that Bugatti never got hit something with that Bugatti? You gonna stop? You gonna call the motherfucker? I hit something with my Bugatti. I hit my Bugatti. But that Bugatti never got hit. It's gonna go zero to 60. It's gonna go fast,

right? But if I got a turn, ah, it's the wrong car. But that didn't happen. The wrong car. That's the point. One track. We talking offense only. We talking speed. We talking talent. That's what he's talking. Don't change the context.

The first sentence of the year. The first sentence of the thing said, tough in this era. They said, I didn't watch back then, so I can't speak on it. They say it was tougher back then than it is now. Now, he references skill because they're questioning whether it was tougher or not and whether you niggas can come play when we was playing. He's saying, well, yeah, of course we could because Mike was the only real. He was the only one that moved.

He was the only one that was skilled like we are. So it was tougher, more physical, but y'all didn't have the skill. That's all he's saying. And it's true. I don't know why they're arguing this. It's a true statement. Because KG and Paul Pierce both said on the show. They arguing points. They're not even

in the conversation. Listen, but this is what they said. They said if y'all played back then, y'all wouldn't even be able to... Back then, 2000. Wait, wait. Y'all wouldn't even be able to get to the step back. You wouldn't be able to get to none of that shit. It's an argument that he's arguing all the time. That's cat.

And we hitting you. That's cat. What I'm saying. And we hitting you. That's cat. And we breaking your nose. That's cat. He's talking about our era. You're not even part of this. He was talking about Mike's era. No, he's not.

Because he was in Mike's era. That don't rule. He was in Mike's era. The step back, that's the early 2000s when they had to come in and change the rules. It was 99, 2000. That's our era. You're not even part of this argument. Just because you was drafted, like,

stop jumping into the argument if you're not actually part of it. So, Gary, here's my question for you, though. You hear Anthony Edwards say that MJ was the only one that had skill back then. Naturally, Magic Johnson's gonna say, hold up, young fella. Bro, I was skilled. Yes. I ain't doing what I was doing. If you were

skilled back then, he's not talking about you. But if I say only one person... When you make a reference, and this is why I say people just want to be part of the argument. If I make a reference, niggas couldn't stop me back then. What position am I talking about? Boy guard. I'm talking about my... So I don't need Ben Wallace to come out here, I'll block you five times.

Nigga, I'm not talking about... Shut up! Just like you said, I need context then, nigga. The context. Give me fucking context. Clear up who you talking about and when and why. Say point guards couldn't guard me, nigga. We don't need to.

Yeah, you do, because now I'm coming out. Like, nigga, yeah, I blocked you five times. What you talking about? But no one does that. We know he's talking about shooting guards, so we don't need two-point guards who was more skilled than everybody coming out talking about. Bro, that's like everybody in the LeBron fans, right?

They putting up a stat between me and LeBron and how many points LeBron had versus how many points I had. Nigga, I barely even fucking played. This nigga averaged 40 minutes a game. But you guys play the same position, right? Listen, I never was really in the game guarding a nigga like that. So now what they'll say is, LeBron averaged 40 on you. And I'm like, nigga, he never played in the game.

That's the thing that Gil's saying. When Gil's saying, like, yo, I'm talking about none of y'all can guard me, he talking about point guards just like when you talk about LeBron. So they're going to go to you because, okay, well. So you're talking about a certain person that played your position. Still don't matter. The game is the team. My team played it. They don't care about it.

That's why this generation is cucked. That's why he said what he said. He's sounding crazy. You're cucked. When KG say, man, I used to bust their asses, we know who he's talking about. Everybody who got the power forward. He's not talking about me. He's talking about the team.

I used to bust that team ass. Whoever was guarding me, I used to kill them. All of them forward. All of them sinners. So we know he's talking about shooting guards and the shooting guards that was in the era. We know that. So people need to stop trying to move it

so they can talk about it. Magic, we know you have skill. Bird, these is not your compartment. Let the two guards speak for the two guards. Oh, man. Let the shooting guards speak for the shooting guards. Just like you're saying, I scored 60 on Kobe. Let the shooting guards.

When you say that, that's false, Gil. And you know it. And you say it for the cap. You literally say it for cap, and you know you didn't score 60 on Kobe. 24 points you scored on Kobe. You keep changing it every time. You went from 24 to 35. I'm like, God damn, bro.

You know you didn't score 60 on Kobe. Well, technically, look at it, because this counts, too. If I was his responsibility and I got the rebound and took off, those are two points. If I got fouled. Oh, my God. If you get the rebound off the transition. If you're guarding me, if you're guarding me and I get the rebound and you get mixed up in what's-her-name because I just blew past you and scored. That's not a point on me, Gilbert.

Yes, it is. No, it's not. You niggas are crazy. What? If you foul me and I go to the free throw. We're in transition. You get the rebound. I'm your man.

And somebody picks you up in transition. I'm on the other side. No one picked me because I'm too fast. I just got it off the rebound and took off and scored two points. But I'm not near you. I got a steal. But I'm not near you. I got a steal and win a score.

That don't count towards you? No. Your points are open. I'm guarding you. But I'm not near you. I got to steal and win a score. That don't count towards you? No. Your points are open. I'm guarding you. I'm in front of you. Hey, I got this. No help. All right.

Buck it. Buck it. Buck it. And backdoor, you get free throws. None of that counts. Backdoor. If I'm guarding you, yes. Backdoor, yes.

Because I missed it. Ah, he scored. How about free throws? If I foul you, yes. How about if anybody fouls me? No, not anybody. If I foul you. If I foul you. So nobody scores no points to nobody then. What if he dribbles foul you? Yes. How about if anybody foul me? No, not anybody. If I foul you. If I foul you.

So nobody scores no points to nobody then. What if he dribbles by you? I just remember the scouting report used to come. He dribbles by me, gets fouled, it's on me. Okay. Yes. I just remember when the scouting report used to come and they had who he was against. And that's it.

And then after the thing, when it came up. You know damn well. He knows damn well. Because then if you're on the bench and the getting hot, and he ain't scoring on me? Shit. I'm on the bench. Nigga be like, man, put me back in. Come on, man.

He's getting too many points. I'm going to look bad. He only had three when I was in. Now he got 12 when I come back in. I'm going to look bad. Yeah. Yeah, we know that already. So when a nigga be like, yo, I scored way over against that

nigga, you already know how that looks, dog. You already know. And anybody in the chat, and y'all know Hooper, y'all already know. If an NBA player played on the court and you played in that game, even if he didn't guard you, when you told that story, you told the story as if you bust his ass. Like you and Shaw showed up and I was torching that nigga, man. I done won five games.

Hey, we know what type of niggas it be. You already know we do that. We know what type of niggas it be. We already know. And the biggest could have been just two buckets. Two buckets. So what though? Just on me.

Get it? It can't even get on you. It's just you was in the game? Yeah, you was just out there. I scored 41. Jordan was there. Shit, I scored 41 on Jordan. I don't give a fuck what nobody say. That's a fair.

In that case, I had 34 on King and Top. Who was the best player on the team? Who? Mello. Yeah. You scored 44 on Mello? 34 on Mello, man. What's his ass?

Well, King was actually guarding me a little bit, but yeah. Well, whoever. Whoever. Minutiae and context is unnecessary. But teleporting guards, man, 80s, 90s, relax. Let the shooting guards speak for themselves. So, Gil, by your estimation, how many players have Jordan's skill

in this current NBA? Not saying they're Michael Jordan, but have a similar skill set. So let's just preface that. If we just do just raw, right? All we can go off is just the metrics of their agility speed, the speed, and then their jumping ability, hiding attributes.

That's all we can go off of. How you use it is very... So as a shooting guard, like, who are we talking about? You're talking about somebody like DeRozan, talking about you're talking about somebody like the rosen right you're talking about shit james harden you're talking about pg you're talking about zach levine right um shit fucking monk can go up in there i mean you you're talking about a whole bunch of players that they they sit at like it's it's a normal thing 40 inch inch verticals that wasn't a thing back then but you're talking about guys with a mix of both I think as far as talent and skill the Rosen all those guys have a mix of both they hit the midi and you can do things

but they're also uber athletic that's what said he didn't have like like you're talking about Reggie Miller's Joe Dumar. These guys They're not athletic at all. You know what I mean? The only person that really had like above average was John Starks. Above average athleticism.

That was a competition. Above average competition. And he was 6'4". So you're talking about somebody 6'6 with that kind of jumping, and everybody else is 6'4". So think about everybody else who couldn't jump past 36 inches. Right? Like, if you really want, like, if we really want to have this discussion about Jordan's competition, just go to top five shooting guards in history.

He didn't play against any of them. In their prime. Kobe's two. He had a young Kobe at 98. Allen Iverson. Dwayne Wade. James Harden.

T-Mag. Vince. When we talk about the top 10 that Jordan didn't face these guys, history is showing you who's who now? Because time is went by the chat is saying Clyde Drexler Jumping ability but was but did Clyde Like Clyde was athletic. It was just gliding. Did he did it was the blood like a good post game? I remember that but that's it back then they had the dribble. It was different.

Right? So it's... Why are you doing it like this, though? For the most part, they... Is that the 80 dribble? No, they're just rules, man. We was passing the ball more back then.

We wasn't handling it. Hey, get off the ball. That's what I'm saying. I'm going to say, listen, you were handicapped by your time, man. It was the rules. So when you're looking at some guy who can go 200 miles an hour

and they look at a car, that car at the time was the rule. So when you're looking at some guy who can go 200 miles an hour and they look at a car, that car at the time was going 100. That was fast as fuck back then. Yeah. Right? But a guy who's moving at 200, that is slow. Right? And that's all it really is.

It's disrespectful, but you got to look at it from his engine now. Yeah. Especially when you're going to go get an old school car still. Still buying old school. Muscle cars. But you got to look at it from his engine now. Yeah, especially when you're going to go get an old-school car still Still still buy a muscle car She's like if he said if they've like Kyrie and Kyrie and Dame and all them like yo We most skill for dinner mm. You're not gonna hear me be like oh No, that's fucked up. I will bust your ass You you're doing things that wasn't even available we mean

Like it wasn't a double step back with the like all that stuff wasn't available when i played so yeah you you're more skillful than i could you fuck with me though that's what they said like imagine it's like hey yeah yeah i hear all that but young fella you wouldn't be able to fuck with me yeah but you wouldn't be able to fuck with me i hear you what you're saying but i'll put your ass down there in that gas chamber see what you did see what it smelled like but then but that's why I said when people talk about, like, who stopped who? You have to go with the evolution.

Yeah. Right? Because, you know, that's why I said when Grant Hill came in with the left to right crossover, they didn't even know what to do then. Hey, just come on, man. Right? So you got to keep everybody in the information that they have.

So these guys don't have this information right these guys don't know what it is to play in the 80s and 90s you needed a different skill you needed to be cerebral right you had to be smarter about the game you had to be ready to turn up like i can't get by you with a crossover i didn't we didn't have crossover niggas didn't crossover like that so i gotta it wasn't even that they didn't. It's that we're not allowing that because we get to use our hands. We're way more physical than you guys are now. And if you think about it,

the game now, if they were to play back then, now, it would be way more open. It would be... The tricks that Mike had to use to get them niggas off of him because they was holding him and shit, he wouldn't have to use those tricks.

These are tricks that created skill levels to get away from schemes and shit. Like, oh, they holding me over the screen, man. How am I going to get over this shit? Well, I got to lock his hand. It's little shit. Today, they don't have none of that shit. Man, they didn't have crosshairs.

They didn't even have basic, like... They didn't need it. Because they didn't have it. They didn't need it. The behind-the-back move, behind-the-backs and all that, and spins. They didn't even have basic like they needed because they didn't have it Behind the back move behind the backs and all that didn't spins it didn't do that then Then the office was different in like like when people talk about hand chicken. It's that was so overrated. Why huh? Why? because Who went downhill?

As half court we're down Who went downhill remember Remember, the point guards, what do they do? Go to the side. But there was a nail. Notice, is that the nail? What I'm saying is go to the side. Wait for your big, what? Two guard goes, set a screen on the big man.

So you had to sit there and idle while a motherfucker held you, held your whole side. Then they can push you over because the point guard wasn't the point guard to today trying to score 20 or 30. Because if the hand check was that good, why was there an Isaiah Thomas? But the paint was still packed, right? Think about the paint. The paint was so jam-packed that it made sense to be out there letting a nigga hand check

you, because I'm not trying to go in there. There's too many motherfuckers in there. But I'm saying if the hand check was that great, why was there an Isaiah Thomas coming through the lane scoring at will? Why was there a Tim Hardaway coming in the lane scoring? When guards who needed to score, those scoring guards came into the league

and went downhill, where was the hand check? Why was it, why didn't it work then? It did. It just didn't work on them. No, I'm just... It just didn't work on them, which made them special.

It's just, if I'm facing you like this Where where are you hand checking me at? What part of my body you hand check I'm facing you you can't know at all. Okay, so they never made a soul always Back then they turned their body So back then they turned their bodies because they wasn't in a threat when the guard started coming down like this coming at you The handshake was irrelevant because they're not setting up an offense. They're trying to go one-on-one, but that's what I'm saying So if you put if you put the mind sets of that you can't you have to keep the guy with the same mindset So if I'm taking Kyrie and I'm said I'm gonna put you in the 80s. I have to keep his mindset the same

Yeah, right. He is not there. So he's going to be sitting there doing it. You're not going to stay in front of him. But the difference is I can bump and control Kyrie. I can. I can. I can ride him into the paint. I can ride him to the baseline.

And what's going to frustrate Kyrie is the fact that they're not calling that shit. That's not a foul, Ky. Stop fucking crying crying take your ass down and if i decide to push you out of bounds all the way and they don't call it but they did like tim hart like these guys coming in rookie season scoring 20 something game it happened so the got the aggressive guards that came into the league when they came into the league they scored they didn't like the if you look in year after year, as long as the game evolved, those guards was coming down scoring.

So by the time AI came into the league, it was like, oh, shit. What the fuck is this? Move them to the two. So you just proved a point that year to year is the progression of the league from whether you say Isaiah to 96, Tim Hardaway comes in. These are guys who created. They scoring because the skill

was acute. There were guys back then with skill that could do things that other guys couldn't do in the league. But not at Jordan's level. It's all level now. But that's all he's saying. He's being compared to who? Jordan. He ain't being compared to fucking joe dumars reggie miller now i need to be quiet so when he's looking at he was like shit i gotta go against the tatum

i gotta go against jimmy butler i gotta go against all these dudes that got the same type of ability as me it is It is harder because these guys have, they have the engines to keep up with me. That's all he's saying. So even when I played, right, for the most part, I didn't play against a Kyrie. I didn't play against a Dame.

I didn't play against a Curry. My hardest matchup was Mike James. 20 points a game. I'd have to go against Allen Iverson, right? Mike Bibby gonna give you 15, 18, right? Jay King gonna give you

12 to 17. Like, there was nobody sitting there trying to score 30. It had me at 29. The closest point guard was 19. Mike James,

and it fell off after that because those guys didn't go like that. So I never had to face a dude who was literally trying to shoot the ball 20, 30 times. So when people are like, yo, how would you play in this Aaron guard? I get my ass buzzing, I can tell you that for sure because later in my career,

when the Stephs and them and the Monte Ellis and them came in, whoo-hoo. Different. Just mindsets. Because later in my career when the steps in them and the Monte Ellis them came in who different No, just mindsets, you know, so it's In response to Ant-Man's comments you brought this up earlier Kevin Garnett had this to say said if I'm being honest, bro I don't think anybody in this generation could have played like 20 years ago If I'm being 100 20 20 24 so 20 that's 2004 and as I said he's arguing him but will players in the league today be able to handle the physicality and toughness of 80s and 90s basketball if we take it back just a little bit further yes

because they are big too I'm just being listen yes man like Like, even him saying tough, 90s say you couldn't handle our era. 80s say you couldn't handle our era. Listen, don't penalize me for what the league is doing. But if you're saying I'm going to take your body and then put it in the 80s and you just got to adapt, players adapt. If you're going to let me flop around and you're going to call it, of course I'm going to do it. If you say don't call no fouls like the playoffs happened,

we play tougher. But to say a dude that's 6'6", 235, couldn't play in an era where your power force is 210 pounds, just seems stupid. Right? Don't complain about how the game is played. That's the referee. That's the way the game is being played. But if you're telling us,

play, like, without fouls, the ref, tell the ref to stop calling us on this stuff. We will adapt. Players will adapt. We adapt. Right? I mean, are we stoic? We can't adapt to new environments?

It's just... Come on. Brady, you agree or disagree with that? Huh? I don't think they can adapt. You don't think players from this generation will be able to handle the stuff? I think they're too sensitive.

I think it's gotten too sensitive to the point we see Luka complain every single play down court. We see LeBron complain every single foul that not getting called. We don't see, like, when we used to go to the park and you didn't get no foul. Get up and keep going. Sometimes you go to the park, you're like, look, I didn't come here to call fouls. I didn't come here to call fouls. I didn't come up here to call fouls.

Keep playing, bro. Keep playing. You can go up here and call fouls every single time. Because niggas don't want to miss shots. Niggas don't want to look bad. Oh, you just clanking that shit. I need a foul. That's a foul. It's like back then, man. Get them out.

Get them out. That's a bad shot. That's a bad shot. That ain't no foul. Anybody playing in the NBA is complaining about fouls. That's a bad shot. That's a bad shot. Every era. That ain't no foul. Anybody playing the NBA is complaining about fouls. That ain't no foul. But that's why I hate the argument of it. Because evolution, the commissioner has changed it. Not the players.

Like, if you listen to Isaiah Thomas talk about Michael Jordan, he said he complained about fouls. And they had to change the whole league because he was crying about getting clotheslined and shit like that he had to change and y'all became soft it's everybody's argument burden and what's called but obviously obviously them fucking fouls and didn't do nothing to him when he averaged 35 and 37 like it just it sounds stupid couldn't, he's crying about fouls, but the nigga averaged 37 and 35 in this same league. So obviously.

So why is he complaining about fouls? If he did that. Because it came to the point where. You can't beat us. You can't beat me with your skill. You have to hurt me. That is the problem with everybody's argument. Everybody's getting the same treatment except for you.

You're the only one that can't handle it. Everybody else is cool with us filing the way we're filing. You the only one went to the principal and said, I don't like the way they're treating me. Yeah, I'm averaging 37, which is not... I don't like the way they treat me. I'm averaging 37. You niggas can't guard.

How are you guarding me? I hate when people say, well, we'll clothesline you that's not guarding me In the basket The bass in my career that's defending the bass close line is something that's not basketball name Who's the who's the top 10? Who's the top 10 NBA defenders ever? name We're gonna let the Google do it. And I guarantee you...

Jack, GBT, don't Google. Google don't know shit. Okay. I'm just saying, so when you talk about the... Like, when we talk about Hakeem Olajuwon, right? He was a great defender. Was he a dirty player? Did he clothesline people?

No. When we talk about... When we talk about Bird, Bird was a great defender. No. No dirty plays. No, no dirty plays. Definitely had dirty plays. Michael Jordan. Okay.

So Michael Jordan wasn't clotheslining nobody and doing all that dumb shit. Hakeem. Okay, same. Tim Duncan. Okay, didn't do none of that. Dikembe. Okay. Dennis Rodman.

Okay, he was the only one. That's one. Ben Wallace. Okay, same. Kawhi, if you want to throw him in the middle. Okay. This is close. So this proves your point.

A great defensive player looks at the rules, right? I can't do this, this, this, and I defend you under the rules. This is not defense. I can't guard your dog. Help. And then I close line. That is not defense. I can't guard your dog. Help. And then I close line. That's not defense. So when you say toughness and whenever they say toughness, they

always use some type of form of when you come through the lane, I'm going to do all that. What's the point of an enforcer? Why is no enforcer's name defensive player of the years? Because it's not because it's in your enforcing Danny Fortson was an enforcer.

No, not really. Brian Grant was an enforcer. So I can't. Kurt Thomas was an enforcer. I'm sent in the game to make sure your ass don't think anything in here is sweet. I'm taking the fouls. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Dikembe, relax.

We need you on defense. I came in to get this foul. I came in. Bill Embiid, Rick Mahorn, I came in here to get the fouls. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Dikembe, relax. We need you on defense. I came in to get this foul. I came in. Bill Embiir, Rick Mahorn, I came in here to get these fouls. When y'all niggas come up against us, you see me, you're like, man, I'm not going in there fucking with them today. It's jump shots today. I'll go ham tomorrow when I'm playing against the niggas that's not them. That was the energy.

So basically the dudes that don't know how to play basketball just follow everybody. That dude at the park. I don't know. You know that nigga who's just over aggressive, don't know how to do nothing, sitting there playing like this. Yes. Send some men to do that. Send some men to do that.

Guard him. Face guard him. He don't get to smell it. Yep. And then what ends up happening? They realized when Garnett, Duncan, Ray LaFrenz, Dirk Nowinski, when they came in, it was like, oh, shit. At this position, we can have more scoring. We don't need these old dinosaur dudes fouling. We don't need no enforcer because we got a dude that can shoot.

And that becomes like what happened is the unskilled just tried to hurt the skillful players. And that's what the commissioner realized. The guys who had no talent, they're getting put in the game to hurt the guy who everybody came to see. It wasn't to hurt them. It was to enforce that you're not going to get the easy shit you're used to getting. You're used to getting layups. Guess what? There's not going to be any tonight.

What? No layups. We had a rule against LeBron. No layups, bro. If he gets a layup, it's going to spark his whole momentum. He thrives on dunks. If he gets a fast break, foul him. Okay. Foul him. We're not giving up no don't to LeBron because that's this is momentum

Okay, so how can you how can how can someone stand on the fact that they were defense? But all their defense was just clotheslining people like how do we how do we separate? Plays that has nothing to do with the sports and say, okay, you played great defense. And that's what the defensive players got the award. So yeah, these guys hit you and they do all this brutally stuff, but we're not calling that defense. Did you ever hear from your coach, don't give up, don't give up a layup? Yes. Right?

No easy way. So what does that mean? Foul. Oh, I thought, I thought staying in front of the guy and play some defense. So Shaq's under the basket, right? Shaq's under the basket, gets the offensive rebound. Do we let him dunk it or do we foul him? We foul him because he's not a good free throw. Boom.

Do you call that defense? No. What are you? Well, I'm defending the basket. If he misses both. And it's a successful defense. But what I'm saying is, so we just his boat No, we're not bad But what I'm what I'm saying is so you we just named and none of those got for the most part besides Dennis Rodman

Which was a weird one cuz he played was the funny part is even with Dennis Robin besides fucking with Karl Malone for the most part He was a regular play. He did little a hard he played he did dumb stuff here and there but for the most part Dennis played basketball. He moved his feet. Gary Payton, they played defense under the rules of defense. These guys was not considered dirty basketball players.

You can't be called, I cannot go by you and you say you're the defensive player and I shake you and then you go in and clothesline me and say no, no, no. You suck at defense. You're just making it up by clotheslining me. That's not defense. That is not a defensive

player. Did Ron Artes ever do that? No. Ron Artes was not a dirty player. Ron Artes was not a dirty player. I didn't say he was dirty. I said has he ever fouled somebody that he couldn't guard? I mean, here and there. Far foul. Far foul. But he didn't go into the game. What I'm saying that he couldn't guard? Yeah, I mean, here and there. Far foul.

Far foul. But he didn't go into the game. What I'm saying is he didn't go, like, he tried to defend you. Like, Kobe defended you. I think what you're saying is Rajah Bell used to defend. Rajah Bell did dirty shit to Kobe. Because what did Kobe do? Kobe going to sit there and do all the extra.

So he's giving them back. He's not a dirty player, though. I wouldn't say Rajah, Bruce Bowen, all these guys. They was defensive players. There was only a couple of dirty niggas back then. It was probably Bill and Rick Mulhorn. The only niggas that was really being Kevin McHale, Rambis, all them type of niggas that we see getting close.

It was like five of them. It was like five. Everybody else was enforcers. Anthony Faison, Charles Oakley, Charles Smith, all them niggas. Tear your face off if you come in here. That Nick team had a bunch of just... Tear your face off.

Pump fake you, you jumped out of the room. Boom, go on the lane, you clothesline me. Oh man, great defense. It's a hard foul. It's just a hard foul. It's hard fouling. It's hard foul. Okay, so look. It's hard foul. It's just a hard foul. No, no, I get that. It's hard fouling. It's hard foul. Okay, so look. Okay, hard foul.

I mean, you do got fouls. So why can't these guys today play in the era then? Because the flagrant one, flagrant two, and the review. See, that's rules. Flagrant one, flagrant two. See, that's if you rules. Somebody's complaining. So if you take out...

Hey, man, we got to protect it. They hitting us too hard out there. If you take out the rules and say, hey, these are not whatever they're going to be, right, and it's just standard basketball, and say, we're going to play 80s basketball, so we're going to take your bodies and put you in the 80s, and you're saying these guys are not going to dominate a bunch of dudes that got 32-inch verticals? It's going to be more difficult because you're not going to just...

Your power four-ways all of 210 and fucking everybody's sitting at 285? It's just going to be... Come on, man. It's going to be a little bit more difficult. They get to hit you too. You said a little bit. It's going to be a little bit more difficult. What I'm saying is I get to hit you too, nigga.

They ain't hitting nobody now. I get to... They ain't hitting nobody. I'm not allowed to. Exactly. You're putting me in that... You don't know how to. You're putting me in that area.

You don't even know how to. You're putting me in that area where I can now. So you're saying you're 6'1", 165 pounds. You don't know how to. You're putting me in that area where I can now. So you're saying you're 6'1", 165 pounds. I'm all of 6'4", 225. I get to hit you too. Who's that size? Everybody is that size now.

Today, point him. Who's hitting on Luka? Which point guards is going to be sitting there hitting on Luka with their size? You got to keep them in their same frame. No, but we're not talking about guards hitting on guards. We're talking about guards coming in here, and you got to go up against Alonzo Mourning and David Robinson and all of these niggas.

It's 235. What you mean, them? You got to bring them out to the way. Like, right now, bro, you'll be guarding Luka. Yeah. Give me that matchup. As a small, but I'm just saying. Your guards and your air.

How many in the 80s? How many people are as big as you, dawg? Come on, man. In the 80s? Yes. You're bullying through the groove. There's nobody who's hitting you that is phased in your body size. They did not weigh that much then.

Look at Karl Malone in the 80s. Did you see how he's... But we talking about guards, though. I'm not talking about the big. I'm just talking about... But when you go by... When you go by the guard and you're getting hit by... You're getting hit by dudes that you're bigger than.

Yeah. What do you mean? I'm getting hit by seven-footers. Seven-footer who weighs all of what, though? 210, 215, 220. What centers are you? All of them. Which one?

Every one. How big was... Shit, I mean... You're telling me that... Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is all of 162 pounds now. Shit, so that means he was all... If he broke 200, I'd 200 I'd like there that's cool ours today is coming down Duncan on her King I mean I'm not came Korean I'm just

but I'm just saying just just let's just take the body size itself when you're talking about dudes that like they they wasn't sitting there with the weight they didn't have the weight programs like we have now. Alonzo Mourner, 6'10", 240. So Kareem was 225 to 265 at points in his career. 225 to 265. Kareem was what? 225 to 265. 265 later in his career.

Who else we want to talk about? He said 210. He said 210. 210, that's 30 pounds. The Zion is celebrating 271. That's one guy. That's one guy. That's one guy. Luca. That's one guy. That's one guy. That's one guy.

Luka. That's one guy. But I'm just saying, he's genetically opposed. That's one guy. But that's what I'm saying. James Harden. How many centers you want me to type in to find out how big their weight was? I bet they all was over 230.

Hakeem, over 230 230 the guards are sitting at that now yeah I was 224 when I played and what do we like take him Elijah wine seven foot 255 okay seven foot 255 you said 210 bro I'm just saying that's a great it's a lot and then Zaya is 270 to 70 you remember the 80 right now you said 210, bro. I'm just saying. Y'all remember that document? It's a lot. And then Zion is 270? 270. He's like 280 right now. What do you think Embiid real weight

is or Jokic real weight is? Come on. Yeah. Like The Kembe Mutombo, 7'2", 245. If that. I'm pretty sure he had to have weights on. Yeah. Yeah. The Kimbae Mutombo, 7'2", 245. If that. I'm pretty sure he had to have weights on.

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Like, what's that? It's just the concept just makes no sense of guys can play. I remember when I came to the league and I had to go up against Gary Payton after the first. Like, I was just bigger than him. Like, he was a defensive. I was just physically bigger than him. Once I got the fear of that's Gary Payton and got into my second year, I'm just stronger than him. Like, you guys are little.

Him, John Stotts. Once I got into my second year, like, okay stronger than him. Like, you just, you guys are little. Him, John Stott. Once I got into my second year, like, okay, the NBA, okay, I'm cool. And once I'm like, all right, I can play in this league, I was just stronger than him. You was playing out of position, man. But 6'4". You're supposed to be over here with us, man. So, like, the only person that matched my size was J.Kid?

Yep. Other than that, everybody was little. You guys are little. I used to be mad at y'all. Like, why y'all over there? Like, J.Kid was... Y'all even going to go over there with the point guards? Like, J.Kid was just, like, he was the only person that I couldn't just take advantage of.

Like, post up and do all that and just back down and just run through. It was J.Kid. He was stronger, same size, fast. Other than that, Gary Payton's and all that. Like, little dudes, man. That's why he look at you like... That was like 140, 180, 190. BJ too small.

Like BJ too small. He was too... He came to the gym early just to make sure that he was ready to play. No, but what I'm saying is, when I played, like, the only person that made me sit there and be like, yo, who the fuck is this?

Tyreek Evans he was bigger than you Yo, I would have ordered who the guard and then I'm sitting in like Fuck position you play. Yeah, like six six He was only that posting me up was just like just like, yo, bring it down here. Oh, no, you're not about to do this to me. That's that. I got one of those welcome to the league moments from Chauncey.

Chauncey. Oh, man, Chauncey. Chauncey is 6'4", too, but he's just slower. Yeah. He had the size. He was just slower. Then, like, Darren Williams came in. Darren was just a little bit smaller.

Let's keep this thing moving. So, Goran Dragic officially retired from the NBA last New Year's Eve, but decided to end his basketball career with one final farewell game this weekend in Slovenia. The charity basketball game was dubbed the Night of the Dragon in honor of Dragic's nickname and it was a star-studded affair with several

current and former NBA legends, including reigning MVP Nikola Jokic look Luca Dirk Steve Nash Bogdan Bogdanovich aka Boggy Boggy Luis Cola Boban Robin Lopez and even drag his former Miami teammate Chris Bosch. Okay, Chris Bosch So Bosch playing to get playing the game and scored his first point since retiring in 2016. Obviously, he was super excited about it. Looking good out there. Jokic showed off some of that well-documented European athleticism,

throwing himself an alley-oop off the backboard, gave some maximum air time. And Luka had NBA Twitter wondering if he put on some weight after leading a slow break with some questionable footwork for a layup. Some people were speculating he looked like he was 280 pounds. That's not reality. Other videos surfaced that show Luka looked to be healthy and in game shape. So Dragic played 15 seasons in the league, most notably with the Suns in heat, ending

his career with the Bucks in 2023. He was a one-time All-Star and one-time All-NBA selection, as well as a FIBA Eurobasket MVP. So how cool is it to see the turnout of NBA and international legends for Goran Dragic's farewell game? It's very dope to me. Pulling up to Slovenia, mind you. It's very dope to me, just showing how big the game is growing over there, you know, for their culture, their country.

Congratulations to him and, you know, just their whole, like, you know, their whole like you know where the game is going for them. You know I'm sure some kid in there some 15 16 year old 14 year old kid that wants to be next so it's good to see them do that for their their country. I mean well for him. Rashad for you how cool was it to see the turnout for the Night of the Dragon? Euros doing what Euros do man man. What is that? Playing together as a team.

Trying to get it right. Chris Bosh, know what it is? High IQ. Come on, Chris, come on, make a comeback. He was the only American there? What? He was the only American there? Who, Bosh?

No, Robert Lopez. Oh, Robert, I knew you said that. Josh Richardson was there. Who? Josh Richardson. He played with the Dodgers in Miami. Yeah, Miami. I like that.

I mean, that's cool. That's dope. That's dope. I mean, I wish we had a farewell tour, but it makes sense what he did there. So I was going to ask you, is having an exhibition farewell game a better move than a farewell season tour?

Just like we'll have one game, summertime, y'all pull up, support. I mean, getting a farewell in the NBA is just, like, you're top of the team. Yeah, you got to be. You're like, yeah, like, I mean, getting a fair word on the NBA is just, like, you're top of the team. Yeah, you got to be. You're like, yeah, like, I mean, the next one we'll probably get is LeBron. LeBron and Steph. Will it be?

Maybe Steph. No, Steph for sure. Yeah? Okay. I'm just saying, for the next one, you got LeBron, Steph, KD all getting up there in the age. LeBron and Steph for sure. They're going to have to move this shit. They're going to have to move this shit. They're going to have to, like, all right, you get this.

You doing this year. I'll go next year. Yeah. That would be crazy. There's only been one farewell, right? There's only been two. Kareem had one. Farewell what?

Kareem had a farewell tour with the big-ass rocking chair and all that good stuff. Every city? I don't know of every destination. Obviously, he wasn't appreciated in some cities. I was in the league when Kobe's I was I had my Achilles torn I saw that that shit was hard Kobe Reggie Miller Reggie had a Reggie Miller have one. Yeah, Reggie had a fair tour. Hmm Right. This is my last year, right? But Reggie wait wait every team right now down to Reggie, right didn't He was hurt It was a year after the brawl, huh? The year a lot too, though. He was hurt a lot, but he did go every season.

It was the year after the brawl. Huh? The year after the brawl. He said, this is my last season. Damn, he didn't even win. I mean, well, shit. I mean, if I found that out, then a lot of people should be able to get one now. They still owe Melo here, so we ain't forgotten. No, it's just, because most of those guys didn't know they were going to retire for the most part,

but there's only a few people in history that... Did Dirk get one? No. Dirk didn't know they were going to retire for the most part, but there's only a few people in history that... Did Dirk get one? No. Dirk didn't do one? I don't know if MJ did the... MJ did. I don't think MJ said he was retiring. Well, his last game in Philly,

I think his last game was just in Philly. No, what I'm saying is that MJ... The last dance, did MJ say he was retiring? Yeah. In the last dance? Yeah, because he was driving. It was going to the gym. No, I MJ say he was retiring in the last dance? Yeah. Yeah, because he was driving. It was going to the gym.

No, I know what he was saying that, but did he publicly say he was retiring? Before the season started? No, he didn't. I don't know. So I don't know. I don't think anybody knew that was his. When Phil leaves, I'm going to play for another coach. So people had to hold out hope.

Oh, so. Yeah. And he never came back after that. Yeah. That's right. That. Yeah. Yeah. And he never came back after that. That's right. Yeah. So he kind of just. Because nobody did. I didn't think it was going to happen.

Because they didn't think Phil was going to. That would have been nuts, though, if he would have won. I got a farewell that last year he won it. Yeah. Off the six. Oh, man. So only. So basically.

Off Russell. Off that push. Yeah. And somebody said Dr. J. I don't know. I wasn't. I don't know. Dr. J. Yeah,. And somebody said Dr. J. I don't know. I wasn't... I don't know. Dr. J.

Yeah, he was all done. Dr. J. Did Katie get one? Question mark. Some of them... Like... Will Katie say this is my last year? Like, you know,

some of them guys is not gonna... I mean, Paul Pierce kinda had one. What? It was kinda. You remember Draymond Green was like, they don't love you here. You remember he was the opposite of a.

Yeah. It was his fair world. I mean, he told everybody it was his last year. I guess a fair world tour. You still got to be kind of like that dude a little bit. Yeah. You have to be him. Like, I mean, like, you still got to be kind of good still to really have a good fair world tour 20 a game

Yeah, I mean Kobe ended it with six that I said like that said Kobe like Reggie Miller was coming in and out like you wasn't Like if LeBron says this is my last year He's gonna have a fair world so cuz you can be averaging 20 something. That's what you playing four fucking minutes in the crowd Come in come in come in Yeah, he was gonna have one but it was Kovac ah right Like I'm like, I'm sorry

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on first, but you don't Be getting to that time there's a horrible fair world about 130. Yeah about that time Mr. B, I don't like what's being told. It's a horrible... What's being said right now. It's a horrible farewell tour when you ain't played all game but the crowd cheering you on and you sitting there doing this. Like, UD?

UD at a farewell? Ah! Like, come on, man. You... Nah, man. This farewell shit. You being treated like that little special ed kid

on the other bench. Kobe really the only one that really had one. Yeah. Yeah, that we've seen. I think we should keep it that way Kobe's the only one I think we should fucking keep it that way. Hey, hey, bro Everybody around well everybody else can move the fucking round Hey, I'll be honest bro after the story that Gil told us about Brian trying to what we say get rid of the 23 or happy

I didn't say that. It was mine. It was my story. Oh, it's your story. Make people from oh my bad. Yeah Well, yeah, forget that. Come on, bro. You got a roll your story. Make people forget. Oh, my bad. Yeah, forget the number 23. Yeah, forget the... Come on, bro. You got to roll with it. You can't. Like, that's killer. But there's still 24. Right, but...

You can forget 24. You ain't never going to forget 24. Huh? No, I'm just saying the hate towards... It's like, bro, after hearing that story, he's on a different mission. What kind of hate? You know what I've noticed?

What kind of hate? No, no, no. You know what's being noticed here when it comes to greatness? Where does it go? When Jordan was trying to be the best, who was his competition? Who was he looking at?

Wilt. Magic Wilt and all of them. Dr. J perhaps. Dr. J. Bird Magic. I don't know if he was paying attention to Bird and Magic at that time when he was getting into his own because he was paying attention to bird magic at that time, right, when he

was getting into his own because he was retiring. When Kobe was coming in for his greatness, who was he looking at? Kareem. Jordan. Jordan. Kareem. No. Jordan.

No, Kobe. He was going into his greatness? Yeah, he was trying to be better than Jordan, right? When LeBron, it was Kobe than Jordan, but he from an early age he's looking at jordan the people who are going after the goat they not looking at their peers they're chasing someone who's done that's what's pushing them that's why they're not falling off because the person that they're chasing has already been a statute right i'm looking at there's no fall off to jordan there was no fall off to kobe when it came i'm looking at these people right here so every year every

summer i'm i'm not trying to be the best nigga in the league who's gonna be the best player i'm looking for something that's way greater than that. So that goes for just people who's looking at trying to be the great. The people who are chasing it, they're chasing somebody that's not even in their time. Like if you ask Mayweather,

yo, who are you chasing? He ain't going to name somebody that's in his realm. He's going to name somebody who had some type of record that he's not going to fall off, so I get to chase a year after, you know what I mean? I think Kobe was chasing that fifth, chasing that second three-peat. If he chases, he's chasing championship.

He's trying to get to the sixth. He knows where the championship conversation lies between him and the guy he's being compared to. Michael Jordan, yeah. LeBron is, to me, he was chasing Kareem because that's the all-time points lead. No, that's, I mean, once he got close to that, but for the most part, he's chasing a legacy.

Right. The legacy that these guys are chasing is so apex that they're not even in real time with the rest of their fellow players. For sure. For sure. You know what I mean? For sure.

Like, I'm not competing with LeBron. I'm not competing with y'all. I'm not competing with KD. For sure. I'm not competing with KD or Steph. I'm chasing Kobe and Mike. Even with Steph right now, if you think you're number two, you're only chasing. There's only one person. That's fair. Any young kid that's coming in,

fuck being the best point guard in the game today. I think that's a good way to look at it. You got to chase the best point guard ever the game today. I think there's a way to look at it. Yeah, you got to chase the best point guard ever, which keeps you on your shit. There are no fall-offs. Yeah, but we got to stop this farewell stuff. And before we proceed...

There's only been one. The chat pointed out D-Wade had a farewell tour as well. Oh, he did? Yeah. When he was in... Chicago? Chicago. Wait.

Oh, he went back to Miami yeah so a farewell is when every city give it for the most right okay some cities are haters they may not acknowledge but for the most part every time you pull up here's a special drink I like in today like you didn't if you didn't win the NBA trophy I don't think you should like every like today like a I would have had a great farewell tour if he that would have been hard everybody would have been in doing it yeah everybody do rags and big teams oh hard what I mean Matt like today, like, A, I would have had a great farewell tour. That would have been hard. Everybody would have been in durags. Yeah, everybody would have been. Durags and big tees. That would have been dope.

Hard, what? I mean, Matt. Everybody wearing durags at the games. See, Magic came back, but he didn't the 95, he didn't come back as his farewell. Nah, he kind of just, yeah. Just kind of bowed out. Did he become a coach? Yeah, see, that's the thing. It's like most guys just bow out. They don't go into it like,

this is my last year. Like, Tim Duncan didn't have a farewell either. Like, Kareem got gifts everywhere he went. Oh, he did? Some. New York, he got a silver apple from Tiffany's. Detroit gave him a portrait. Philadelphia gave him a portable telephone and a CD player.

Indiana gave him a flute, saxophone, and a portrait. Milwaukee gave him a Harley Davidson. Who gave him that? Indiana gave him a flute, saxophone, and a portrait. Milwaukee gave him a Harley Davidson. Indiana gave him a flute, saxophone, and a portrait. Milwaukee gave him a Harley Davidson motorcycle and a portrait. That's a fair world tour. Cleveland gave him an

Iranian carpet and conga drums. New Jersey gave him a VCR and a Lennox Bull. A VCR? Boston gave him a piece of the Boston garden floor. I do not want this I mean see you want I mean shitty yeah Child last to Utah gave him a 19 or 1886 Winchester rifle and cowboy boots

Utah they got some fire gifts. I mean back then the Clippers are a surfboard wetsuit and beach umbrella Sounds like the Clippers. Sounds about Clippers. Take this surfboard, boy. Take this surfboard, boy. Give you the wetsuits, custom made. Big-ass wetsuit. All right, but talk about Dragic's farewell exhibition game.

Y'all remember back in the day, Magic used to do his Midsummer Night's Magic. I know. It was really turnt up. What's the best exhibition game? He was a little kid then. Yeah, he was there. He was a little kid. He was a little baby. up. What's the best exhibition game? He was a little kid then. Yeah, he was. He was a little kid. He was a little baby.

Yeah. What's the best exhibition game you played? He would have turned up in that moment. What's the best exhibition game that you played? It had probably all been,

besides, I mean, I was old enough, magic, you know, the magic game, but for the most part, it would be that lockout year. At D.C. versus L.A. Yeah, it, it would be that lockout year. At D.C. versus L.A.? Yeah, that would probably

have been the lockout year. In Long Beach or in D.C.? Oh. Oh, you all played back-to-back? Yeah, we played them in Long Beach and we played them in D.C. So they played D.C. first and then they played Long Beach

a couple months later. Did they use Baltimore dudes? They were very... They used... They used mixed... Yeah, they had, like, mixed guys. They came, like, Ty Lawson, John Wall, like, Boogie. uh, they had like mixed guys. They came like Ty Lawson, John Wall, Boogie, like they was KD. Damn.

They was lit. Yeah. Where's Boogie from? I believe Alabama. Alabama. See they brought you to cheat. But he was boys with John Wall. Brought him through.

I gotta say the Carolina alumni game. Okay. Lit. Absolutely. Like 2011 alumni game. Okay. Blitz. Absolutely. Like 2011, I think. Okay. You giving buckets? Like out?

No, I was trying out. George Carl was the motherfucking coach. Told me to tell me I'm trying out for the motherfucking different nuggets while I'm at an All-Star game. Man, I played in an expedition game. Yeah. That type of shit I was going through in free agency. I had 81 in the expedition game in Long Beach City College.

I did. Against all the L.A. Hoopers. Really? Yeah, all the good L.A. Hoopers that was in the game. Who was in the game, Brandon, that you had 81? I think Pooh put it on. I think it was Pooh. Like that whole Pooh and everybody.

Pooh and all them, yeah. Yeah, 81. Lockout against all them Westchester Cats. That's 2011, huh? Yeah. 81. Iout against all the Westchester Cats. That's 2011, huh? Yeah. 81. I did the Katrina one. That was probably the biggest one I did.

2005 Houston Hurricane relief game at the Toyota Center. We actually have some video of that game. You and T-Mac went at it, but here's a list of the players that pulled up. Oh, shit. And some of these guys were already known to be, but I think LeBron and Kobe and them, you know, were established. But then a bunch of y'all just kind of came through, pulled up last minute, went out there.

Gil, this is some highlights of you in the game. Hey! Gilbert! Jelly! You motherfuckers stay in front of these. They need to watch out. With the TNT graphics package so you know it's legit. Come on, man.

You better come out and guard this. Yo, this is our offseason? Okay. You better come out and guard this. You better guard is our off-season? You better come out and guard this. Look at our shorts, though. You and T-Mac had a little battle. That's going up right there. You can tell by the double. I know that double. Come on.

Give it back to me. Give it back to me. T-Mac said, okay, Gilbert. You're not going to guard me, Gil? Yeah, come on out here. Thank you. Look at Gil. Look, look, look. Give it to me.

You know that run. Right there. Hold on to that run. Unfortunately, the next basket did not go in. Wait, wait, wait. Because I hit two threes back to back. It looked like one. Oh.

It looked like one. I hit two. I hit two. Because he hit three. Apollo fucking up in the back. three Apollo fucking up in the back They cut it ahead y'all see that has he Been no goddamn 80 night plan stand in front of that heavy that was Watch out watch out Balaam got that from DC watch out. Ballym. Got that from DC. Watch out. Whoo!

I would have shook the fuck out you with that hand. Stop playing. You heard what Nick told you. Ah! That was before the injury. We talking about right there. Ah! 2005.

Hey, that's prime, Gil. Hey, show. You saying prime, Gil? That was 2005. That wasn't even him yet. Go ahead and show them the quickness of it. Can we see Gil's clip from the 2005? I'll be honest with y'all. I'm not scared of none of y'all L.A. Hoopers.

I feel like I'm better than all y'all. Brandon, every single L.A. Hooper? Every single one. Baron Davis? I just got hurt. We all got hurt. Look at that. Watch out. Was that that. Ah, shoot.

Watch out. Wait, was that this? Yeah. Jelly. Jelly. You see? You see? That motherfucker didn't want to get smacked, though. Go back again.

Wait, you had that? Yes. You had that? Go on, man. Back again, man. Come on, man. That was before Kyrie. I want you, man.

Jelly. It's called jelly. Yeah, that's the jelly. You had the jelly? Man, come on, man. Keep going. Keep going. Man, it's easy. Oh, we appreciate it. It's easy work. I ain't going to front. I ain't going to front. No, I ain't know you had the jelly man. Come on man. Keep going keep going man. It's easy. We appreciate easy

I know I go front I go front. No, I ain't know yet the jelly. Oh man is easy work, man. I Mean, okay, that's the main O'Neill. So you definitely wanted one two Who Manly Look at that look at the short stuff though. We couldn't go between the legs. Look at the short. 2005, yeah. 6XL.

Was that Ty Lawson? No, he wasn't. Who was that? Is that Melo? Yep. That is Melo. That's Melo. You can tell by that run.

This was high def. See, I can tell this too, though, because I didn't have my signature shoe yet. No? Mm-mm. KG, a lot of legends playing that game, but that was, and you guys were all playing in your NBA uniforms, NBA sanctioned event.

Yeah, that's what I said. It was cool. That was fun. Fun time. Shout out to you. Is that Damon Jones on the court? Yeah, but that lockout was crazy. Bro, huh?

That lockout year was crazy. Expedition games. I think I went to one in Orlando, too, where I jumped off a trampoline over there. Dude, you love jumping off trampolines. They used to pull up to Berry Farm. Berry Farm? Yeah, Berry Farms in your Maybach.

Get out, score a fit 40 and then leave. No issues? No, never. I never had one issue in DC, man. Not on Miles Ross. I heard that. I said, I got to go to Berry Farms and put it down. You did?

Yeah, I mean, during the lockout. I was out there filming, literally go to Berry Farms and put it down. You did? Uh-huh. Yeah, I mean, doing a lockout. I was out there filming, literally go to Barry Farms, car on fire, nobody just, not even acknowledging it. Not even acknowledging it. It's a car on fire. Welcome to the big show. When I did Rucker, was it EBC? Mm-hmm. Like a world one? Mm-hmm.

That was good. That was. That atmosphere was crazy. Yeah. I remember watching them DVDs back in the was a good hours that atmosphere was crazy. Yeah We want I remember watching them DVDs back in the day. Yes, it was fire right? EBC you had to guard me. Oh you got 60 put on you didn't you? Cap you got locked up. No Yeah We were all both out. You remember that? Uh-uh. It was you, Barry Davis.

Yeah. The game. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't go finish at Gacho's gym? Nah, I mean, I had to go. We had two teams. I had to go all four fields.

What team? Oh, you was the New York team? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Didn't it end up raining, right? Yeah, that's right, Dad. It was raining punches and shit. Oh, yeah. So, yeah, it ended up raining punches and shit. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah, it ended up raining. We had to go to Gaucho's gym. It ended up raining punches. It's a good gym, too. Did I have on my khaki pants? I don't know. Oh. You can't get cooked by it. I'll say, Gaucho's gym's a good gym, too.

Everybody walking over. Yeah, so that same game. Yeah, so that same game, it ended up raining. It ended up raining, and then we had to move it and go to Gaucho's gym. And endorse. That's the one thing about New York I love. I finished with 60 that game. I was looking for you.

I used to be in New York. I was looking for you. You used to be in New York, huh? Huh? You used to be in New York. Nah, that was the only time. Oh, that was just that one time? You just played everywhere when you went up there?

Yeah. Okay. But that was a crazy atmosphere. So let's talk about Luka and Jokic a little bit. Jokic and Luka bromance added another chapter during Goran Dragun's Night of the Dragon celebrity game. The pair were teammates on Luka's squad for the game. Usual messing around with each other in Ki King.

Joker pouring water on Luka's head while they were both sitting on the bench and him on the head with a bottle. Do they speak the same language? Shit. I'm pretty sure yeah, I mean, you know they all speak like They all speak about four different languages You don't know if you're to you your row you you understand we all speak the same language Ciao everybody. Wee-wee. Wow, ciao. Wee-wee.

Biscu-mantica. So on the eve of the game, Dirk from Whiskey had this to say about a potential Luka and Joker partnership in the league. He said, I hope that would be in Dallas. I'm not sure if they will ever happen, but obviously both are two of the best players in the world, if not the best players in the world. Thoughts on Dirk saying they're the two best players in the world. Good.

Do you agree with that? At this point in time, I mean. Joker and Luka. Who's stopping them? I mean, who's denying it? Seems like if they put a team together. And add Wimby. Wimby ain't leaving first. But Jokic has previously said that he would love to play with Luka,

but it would have to be with the Nuggets. Saying hopefully Luka gets pissed off enough with the Mavs to make that move. But how scary would a Jokic-Luka duo be in the league? Scary hours. It's like a Jamal Murray that can post up in his four inches dollar. Unstoppable? Yeah. Instead of picking a role, we can drop them, we can do whatever. Depends on who's around them, though. Do they need anybody around them?

Would defense be an issue with that squad? Yes. Yeah. That's what I said. Depends on who's around them. Yeah. Are you going to put Jokic at the five? Or at the four?

I don't know, because the pick and roll is not the same as it is with Murray. Because Murray is, he's doing the pick and roll to create that space. For himself. To throw back, and then he gets the pump, like this one you're just going to switch and then Luka's going to dance. So even if he passes it back to Jokic, Jokic has his man on him. Why would you switch? I mean, you can go under.

I mean, it don't matter. It's not the same. Right? He's not. It's not the same. Right? He's not like... Luka does a pick and roll to switch to get a bigger guy on him. Murray's doing a pick and roll to go. So I'm going here. Now, if you hang on too late, I'm throwing it back to Yoke.

Yoke is going to pump fake, do what he's going to do. So it's a different pick and roll. So it's hard to really say what it would look like. I mean, just them being on the floor together, yeah. I mean, it's going to create danger, but they do the same thing. I'd rather have two guys do the same thing. And let them figure it out? Yeah, let them figure it out.

You two motherfuck them figure it out? Yeah, yeah. Let them figure it out. You two motherfuckers figure it out. But we've never seen them in a serious atmosphere to see what they would look like together. Because the All-Star game ain't enough.

No. Because they're just bullshitting around, so. Okay. So just looking around the league, which two players will make the most

lethal duo in the league currently? Which two current NBA players if which two players will make the most lethal duo in the league currently which two current NBA players If they teamed up will make the most lethal duo in the league Curry bra Curry brawn Katie brawn I thought I like all I thought you gonna say ad brawn I was I like all three just for the all three, just as a fan of the game. A.D. Braun. A.D. and Braun.

Braun and Brunny. Thanks, Steph. Steph and Braun. All three. Just go out and just end it the right way. On the Knicks? Yeah, just all end it out the right way. All right, besides those two, let's go outside of just them two niggas.

Let's go. Let's speak everybody else. With two players that currently aren't on the same team, would be the most lethal duo in the league if they joined forces? I like that Trae Young and Wimby. I like Wimby Ant-Man. Wimby Ant-Man?

You don't think he's too selfish? Nah. If Rudy was think he'll block? Just think about it. If Rudy was Wimby, I think it would be a whole different game out there. Oh, it's too late in his career, but that James Hardy and Wimby would have been crazy. My Wimby would have never seen the ball. He would have never seen the ball.

Who? Who? He would have never seen the ball. Who? Wimby. What are you talking about? James was averaging like 10 assists a game. 11? When he had to pass it. No, but he made it. I'm Wimby we saw my what James averaging like tennis is again 11 when he had to pass it. No, but I'm going to be I'm not About to sit here and watch you dribble

Remember it was just a pick a rope with he made compel Oh, it is a compel a dog compel. Oh was my say hello guy. Hey, I got way more than that I'm not over the ball and dunk it Give me the fucking ball. I don't think get off the ball them lobs and I'm sure been crazy So y'all said trainrey and Wimby. What about John and Wimby? See, I don't know if John's lob package, like we know, we don't know his lock key.

He gets the lob thrown to him. We don't know if he can dish him back off. That's very different. Somebody in the chat also said John, Zion. Wouldn't mind it. Bronny and Wimby. Bronny and Wimby. Bronny and Wimby would be a dangerous... Just give it three years. Three, four years.

After you develop. Let's take Wimby out of it now. Let's go. Take Wimby out of it. Let's go. Let's put one of these two young ones. Shout out to Willie Anderson. The chat said LaMelo and Wimby out of it. Let's go. Who? Let's put one of these two young ones. Shout out to Willie Anderson. The chat said LaMelo and Wimby. Healthy LaMelo.

That's fire. I guess anybody who can throw a lob would be crazy for Wimby. Simple criteria. I mean, because you got so many duos that's already on teams together. I know. Who's a better match? Let I know. But who's a better match? Let's get greedy. Yeah, who's a better match? It's like who you match with in B that makes sense.

That Maxie already makes sense for him. It's like Dame and Giannis. It's like, well, who would you trade in that scenario to make Giannis look a little bit better? I can see Steph and Giannis, obviously, there's been rumbling. Yeah, that's a different different I'm definitely doing that Hey, so yeah, that'd be a better words. So that'd be because Steph don't need what Dame needs It's too different Korean and bead see Dame need to be with a

yokich Yeah. Oh, yeah Yeah, yo gets me give him a ball alive as though. Oh, yeah, that would be a great that would be a great fit I'm regretting right over you got Oh Paulo and Aaron Gordon damn no, I'm sorry Did not appreciate that comp that's neither here Now that I do like Trey Young and Wimby.

I would like to see... Hopefully they stay together, but a lot of stuff is going on over there at Boston. I do want to see Brown and Tatum stay together. Who's a better match-up with them two? Who would match up? Tatum and Brown? Who can be a better match?

Who game matches better? Is there another fit that matches better? Jimmy Butler and Tatum? I mean, PG and Jimmy Butler. PG and Jimmy Butler? That's a good one. It's like just... Jimmy Butler and Ant.

Kawhi and Ant. And they're healthy enough. Kawhi and Ant. They be healthy. You know what Ant's turning into? He's turning into the point guard. He's turning into that point guard guy where the point guard needs to be somebody who can just flat out shoot and do all that. Yeah, move around.

Mm-hmm. Let me do my thing. I can do it. Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's difficult. That's... Anthony Edwards and D-Book. What about difficult. That's just...

Anthony Edwards and D-Book. I know back in the day I was... D-Book's still out there. You can tag him. Somebody said JT and D-Book. JT, D-Book, KD, Donovan Mitchell. They trying to do a light-skin album with Tatum and Book. Very emotional, too.

John B. and Craig Davis. Damn. But let's move on to Mostly Fans, presented by Underdog Fantasy. If you have not done so already, download the Underdog Fantasy app, use promo code GIL, you get up to $1,000 in bonus cash, plus a special pick-up.

I know I wanted to see T-Mac. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I forgot to address this. I wanted to see T-Mac and Cole. whoa, whoa. I forgot to address this. I wanted to see T-Mac and Cole. What you got to address? I forgot to address. You the only nigga that picked me in the two-on-two, man. Because I respect you.

That's crazy. On what? I just picked you on the one-on-one. What are you talking about? That's crazy. No, two-on-two last week. That's crazy. I remember that.

Can't you actually pick Lexi? So, because he can set picks and go. Pick the girl over me. No, I picked you. A woman. You picked him first. And then I said the woman. You realized who the mismatch is. so because he can set picks pick the girl over me no I picked you a woman you picked him first and then and then I said

you realized who was the mismatch yeah then I realized because I was like well because I need somebody to score because I ain't gonna

be able to do shit I'm a scorer I'm a sit with Kenya he picked Lexi that's what I hired Lexi going hard he picked by default

by default no for sure at least he did he could have picked Swaggy I could have. He's swaggy. I'm not being picked I'm not big as laggy But I'm thinking like I'm thinking it's like me. So my answer is swag

That ain't nothing huh? Guard it don't matter. It do matter. I might not get the get the ball. You gotta guard somebody. You guys gotta play defense. You gotta guard somebody. That's fine. I'm gonna make sure we get to the... I'm gonna make sure I score. I can guard swag. That's fine. And whatever. So if we get the ball first, you're dead. No, I'm not. Because you're not guarding nobody. We're not.

We're not dead. You're not guarding nobody. We're not dead. Alright, well, our first question from... Name him Jimmy Butler. our underdog users a Darien More likely to happy more likely to happen this season Celtics are back-to-back champs or Thunder make a deep playoff run More likely to happen like Western Conference Finals that I would classify that as deep SG I say a Thunder Thunder. Yeah, you know running with your former team and I run it back. Okay. SG, I say, uh, Thunder. Thunder? Yeah.

You're not running with your former team anymore? No, they're not running back. Okay. Who did Thunder get? Isaiah Hartenstein, Caruso. Alex Caruso. Some good pieces. In the West, Western Conference Finals. Got rid of who?

Oh, got rid of Giddey. The Giddler as the kids know him. I like Giddey better. I do, too. I'm going with, I'm going, I'm going to go with Boston then. Boston back-to-back champs over the Thunder making a deep playoff run. You think that Thunder run was Fugazi? I don't think it was Fugazi.

I just think that Denver being back, Ant-Man got a taste of gold, and he's coming back, right? Phoenix. Dallas. Phoenix being healthy. Ja. I'm not worried about them. Sacramento.

We got to see what they look like, but adding DeMar just fucking enhances your half-court ability. Now you got four people. Damn. Damn, you got four people who can play half-court ability. Now you got four people. Damn. Damn, you got four people who can play half-court. What do you think this Thunder squad, I think the youngest squad to be a top seed in the West in NBA history,

now a year older, more experienced, more advanced, with the addition of an all-defensive level player, Caruso, strong big body and hard-signed and addressed some of the needs they had at the center position, is not better comparatively to Nuggets with Ed Westbrook. They still going to need another year though. They still going to need another year though.

I don't think they improved enough to outweigh everybody being healthy. So I'd rather go with Boston because Boston was dominating while everybody was fresh. Okay. I'm rolling. Fair. During the season? The regular season? Oh. It was a lot of injuries last year. The reason for dominating was because of the loss. No. Bucks

was hurt. Bucks was hurt because we lost our coach so we was hurt. Yeah. But reason for dominating was because of that. Jimmy was hurt. Jimmy was hurt. Bucks was hurt because we lost our coach, so we was hurt. Yeah. But y'all was still second place. Jimmy. We were hurt. The Bucks. Still second. The Sixers.

The Knicks. All of them was down. Before any of them got hurt, Boston was. Philly was there. Philly was number one. It was tied. Philly was who? It was going back and forth.

Philly and Boston was going back and forth. Mm-mm-mm. It was going back and forth. No, it'd be. All right. And then what? Bucks was third. No, Bucks was second. Philly was going back and forth. Philly and Boston was going back and forth. No, Embiid, all right. And then what? Bucks was third. No, Bucks was second for a lot of the season, and then Knicks creeped on the come up.

Okay, there you go. One, two, three. Knicks also did injuries. One, two, three. Knicks also did injuries. When Embiid was healthy, and what's the name? It was one, Bucks two, Philly was three. But all those things dealt with injury issues.

Just pointing that out. But we'll move on to our next question from underdog user Bongzilla. Underdog user Bongzilla, if you were to replace Adam Silver, what rules or changes would you implement? So you get to be NBA commissioner. What rules or changes would you implement?

The Mayweather rule. What is the Mayweather rule, yo? If that ref is fucking up, get him the fuck out of here. Get your motherfucking ass. No, no, no, no, no more calls. Get your motherfucking ass out of here. Switch him out. Switch him out.

Switch. He done fucked up way too many. Ref's getting ejected. I think we'll add a nice wrinkle. Come on, man. You should be, yeah, two, nah. Both sides got to, like, you, you, yeah, yeah. I'm putting the four-point line.

Okay, four-point line for Brandon. Yep. Hmm. You think it's time yeah and people will scoff at that but then be I didn't have the three-point line to 7980 yeah I'm sure back in those days yeah think about a pistol Pete his points would have been crazy if they had a three-point line you have a 35 with a to Jerry West one it would have been averaging 50 it would have been averaging 50 great I just even

worse shots like if you like without the line, without the line, it's cool to make one. Now we know where it's heading now to make another one. I'd say. If you bring your work to the game, Sid Korsai, she's up for grabs. Wait, that's the rule? I'm about to say that.

I've implemented it. It's in the official rulebook. Hey, if your work is court side, she's free game. You know, gentlemen. Not your wife, not your girlfriend. Not your wife. You can work. First of all, usually you'll work and somebody else will work anyway.

Sometimes niggas get up and go to the bathroom and shit, and they come back, and they'd be surprised that they work,'t they work No more to go to the game and she's sitting for a row. She be new and two niggas on that team. Absolutely I'm trying to make Jonas relax Make sure she's nervous You know you see in the lobby? You see that lobby and she give you that look? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Not now. Not now. Not now. Not now.

Not now. Not now. Don't worry, man. Just go ahead and make a stop over here. Just go ahead and make a stop. I won't say nothing. I don't know if that video is true, but... What you mean?

The passion that he had breaking it down. Mm-hmm. Went to go get his boo some pizza. Bit of watcher. Gone. Get it giggled at by the hand. That's the worst part of me. Just laughing at me. What are you laughing at? Where'd Clayiggled at by the hand. That's the worst part of me. Just laughing at me.

What are you laughing at? Where did Clay go? Yo, we didn't discuss the Knicks at all today. We didn't. We're going to talk about it tomorrow. Referees. We'll get there tomorrow. Two o'clock.

Referee. I mean, just, I don't know. Something with the refs. We're going to talk about the Knicks all September, Brandon. While we're on this topic. The Knicks is your team now? No, they're not. No, they were just on the headline.

We know what's going on. We know, Nick Nation. We is about to get it done. I just got it done with Boston. We're going to get it done with y'all. So Nick fans should appreciate Rashad coming over. That's a good-ass line. Hey.

Rashad, they won't get to the NBA Finals before the Olympics come. Damn. Who? The Knicks. Shit. They'll get there again before the Bucs. Bet you that. I doubt that. I doubt that. Nigga.

I doubt that. So Knicks will get to the... I mean, every year you got a different team. It don't fucking matter. My team make it. So, we'll see. You are? I can't even... Listen, this football season, man, I'm just trying to be a Rams fan. We are everybody. I'm a little far be a Rams fan. We are everybody.

I'm a new bar for my Rams. We can't even see their players. Who? I know all my players. Hide behind that mask. I got Odell Beckham. I got Odell. I got Ramsey.

They are no longer members of the Rams. They are no longer members of the Rams, bro. Right. Odell in Miami. He said Odell and Ramsey. Both of them are in Miami. Both of them are. We still got McDonald's, right?

McDonald's. Eric McDonald is gone. Eric McDonald is gone. Eric McDonald is gone. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. You got Pook in the club. You got.

Yeah, you better go back. Oh, Cooper Cup. You got Cooper Cup, though. But that's it. Everybody. Stafford. Wait, wait, hold on. The famous people.

They gone? Yeah, they gone. Yeah, they gone. Famous people are gone. The famous people. All three of them. Ramsey, didn't he just sign a new deal? Miami.

Miami. Dude, you are a football expert. No, he can sign somewhere else. Him, Tariq Hill. They all he just sign a new deal? Miami. Miami. You are a football expert. No, he signed somewhere else. Him, Tariq Hill, they all. They all retired? They all in Miami. Number 99? Gone.

Gone. Yo, Miami going to be nice. I'm calling him. I'm going to call him. Just one more. I'm a fan now. Just relax. Come on back.

You are a football expert. Who I got? Who I got? You ain't got nothing. You need to go back and look. No, no. I got number 11. Number 11 or 10 11 or 10 receiver Cooper Cup no yeah number 10 that's number 10 no white boy okay got cup and notice another one he sounds

like he's Hawaiian or something Pooka Pooka newer wasn't a good cool yeah that's Pooka new Pooka Pooka comment what number is he? Gil, that's not enough. 17. Puka. Yo, don't we play them? The Rams? The Raiders? Puka. We start the season against the Chargers. Let me see when they... Yeah, the Chargers.

About to smack them. Yeah, the Chargers trash. So Puka, I got Stafford. Yeah, that's the state of San Diego. And then Cooper Flagg. Cooper Cup. Cooper Flagg is... Wait, so his last name is Cup? Cup, yeah.

K-U-P-P. Oh, okay. I was cup. Yeah, K UPP. Oh, okay I'm gonna say oh man see you P Is better with the Yeah, you want the beat huh, yeah if I'm you it's about to be Rams the nation up in here you pick my I would like you if I'm you I'm picking Miami this year we're trying to give you a cheat code right now I'm right if I'm you I'm all right maybe Ram nation stand up Ram nation the late guys back to St. Louis with that arch yes whatever that's it is they I mean I would have been a Rams get the hell out of here

and the Chargers. Get the hell out. Sit up on the Raiders back. The Lakers and Rams are going to have the longest season in history. Yeah. I ain't going to lie.

I'm going to just be honest with you. I went to the Rams game playing the Browns. Okay. Almost became a Brown fan. Ain't not bad. Where the fuck did all them Cleveland fans

come from in Los Angeles? Yo, it was... many Brown fans here. Yeah, no, football's... I was like, what? They travel with their team now. For sure. Football travel with their team. I was sitting there like, yo, I want to be a Brown.

That's crazy. I mean, what you... You know, that's the Grant colors. Oh. Do the Brown. Do the Brown and the Orange. Do the brown. Do the brown and the orange. Do the brown. It's easy for me.

It's easier for me to be a Browns fan because I got all my Grant stuff. They just say Grant. But it's easy to catch a football game for a fan because, man, you got to wait all week. So you got all week to get your money together and travel. All right. Well, on that note, because we are a football show now, this brings us to the end of this episode.

Take care, Drake. That shirt is crazy, bro. Shout out to the Move Around podcast, man. Check us out. Like, subscribe. I need some features, man. Y'all come fuck with me, man. When do you film?

Right. Set up a time for me to go there. I always say just come through. When do you film it? I don't fucking know. I ain't got a budget. I'm trying to wait until you get paid. Well, let us know when you want us just come through. When are you filming? When are you filming? I don't fucking know. I ain't got a budget. I'm trying to wait until you get hit, baby.

Well, let us know when you want us to come through. We free, nigga. We got to come every week. We here. You know how much gas is, nigga? It is expensive. Shit.

Damn. That's what the work for. You know the work cheap. The work cheap? The work cheap. The work is cheap. I'm saying for Ubers and all kinds of shit. Ooh. They'll be like, what do you bring to work cheap? The work cheap. The work is cheap. I'm saying for Ubers and all kinds of shit.

Ooh. They'll be like, what do you bring to the table right now? Man, listen, you better call that yellow cab. Can you bring your car? Fuck the table. Can you bring your car to me just real quick? Can I get on your back? Should I have it picked up in a yellow cab?

Yellow cab? Yeah, them shit's good. Bring it back, Brandon. Bring it back. Them shit's more expensive than the Ubers. Low. And the drivers, they don't be going where the destination be taking them.

They go somewhere else. Yeah. Is he still surviving? Yeah. Yeah, that's in New York. Well, we know you went in the show. Go on. Yeah.

Yeah. I love you so much. I must say. Oh, it worked out. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now, Smoke Machine is back. This has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. We will see y'all tomorrow.

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