Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena GETS REAL On Caitlin Clark's Dominant Season

Episode Date: September 17, 2024

Gil's Arena GETS REAL On Caitlin Clark & WNBA Playoffs as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew welcome Sheryl Swoopes back into the arena to break down the exciting end to the WNBA season and set the record straight on her feelings towards Caitlin Clark. With the WNBA season winding down they react to the record breaking year for the league discussing A'ja Wilson potentially putting up the best individual season in league history, Angel Reese setting the rookie rebounding record before her season was cut short due to injury, and Caitlin Clark destroying the league assist and rookie scoring record. They also react to Jayson Tatum's comments that the Boston Celtics will rematch the Dallas Mavericks in the 2025 NBA Finals and give their own WAY TOO Early NBA Finals Predictions. Please leave us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants & Sheryl Swoopes Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Cash and A Special Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Use code GIL10 for 10% off tickets on SeatGeek (up to $20 off) https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/GIL10 Sponsored by SeatGeek SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvjYgmwadC682OoC4Cc6TQ Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Intro 0:00:00 Show Start 0:02:21 Colorado State vs Shedeur Sanders 0:07:46 Is Good Sportsmanship Overrated? 0:18:18 Dwyane Wade's Statue 0:36:32 Toughest Part Of D-Wades Game 0:39:00 A'Ja Wilson's Historic Season 0:51:15 Breaking Down The Fever's Playoff Chances 1:02:51 Caitlin Clark Is NOT A Dominant Player 1:15:51 Jayson Tatum Predicts A Finals Rematch 2:03:19 Way Too Early NBA Finals Predictions 2:18:13 MostlyFans 2:25:55 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Gill's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. Whoa, whoa! We appreciate you to everybody who pulled up to our Monday night watch party for the Falcons versus the Eagles, a thrilling game. And since Gill and Underdog Fantasy don't believe in Victory Tuesdays, we are back here with your favorite basketball

turned football podcast. How y'all feeling? Y'all getting some sleep? Good, good. Sean, you all right? You still recover? No. No. No.

Can't recover from that. Something like that for 24 hours. I needed 48 to 72. No coming back from that. Got me cooked yesterday, man. Unfortunate series of events. Should have kicked the field goal. Saquon Barkley should have caught it.

I was trying to put me in a body bag, man. I had to get out of here. Sneak out the back. Stole the man's body bag and shovel. What's going down, Gil? How you feeling? Good, good, good. We are out here, but this is Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. As always, we got the legend Gilbert Arenas here with us.

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I know. I fell for you. You're killing me, Smalls. You're killing me, man. Fucking killing me. We got Sheryl Swoopes pulling up in just a second. But for all the fans out there, we have two viewing options for you. Our traditional version and a vertical mobile version for everybody out there on the go. Pick whichever one you want to watch.

Just make sure you support Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. But here's what's cracking in the arena today. Aja Wilson is the first WMA player to crack 1,000 points in a season and will have the highest points per game average in league history. But is she having the best individual season ever? We got the go-share-o-swoops in the building, so we got to find out. Jason Tatum thinks the 2025 NBA Finals will feature a rematch of the Celtics and the Mavs. But is that facts or cap?

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it's on YouTube. We got audio versions available on Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcasts. Gil, I see you over here looking at me. What's going down? I see a lot of red. Young ho fucked me. Oh, man.

With me the first time. God damn, man. That whole sentence sequence. Young ho did what? I'm over here like, come on, young ho. God damn, yo. You should say young ho. I paid good money for this.

You know how them young hoes do. You know how them young hoes do. They fuck you. They leave you. Oh, man, this do. They fuck you. They leave you. Oh, man. This is crazy. Leave you without your socks on. I had four.

So the only one that was guaranteed was the one everybody else picked. The other kicker. What did you have for young ho? Is the total point? Yeah, the other kicker kicked it at the end. He won at the end. He won. Yeah.

You had him 2.1.5. I had young ho 1.5. Extra points. Extra points made. Mm-hmm. He went for two. Did that? Yeah. That's unfortunate.

That's Atlanta. Atlanta, young ho, right? Yeah. But really, the Eagles screwed you by not kicking that field goal in the first quarter because then the Falcons would have went for that one. And then Ray Ray. Yeah, Ray Ray. Ray Ray.

You see? You have some Ray Ray slander. And then I got to stop looking at their face. Their face is deceiving. You got to look at the neck, Gil. Don't be confused by the neck. They got the beefy neck. They running through it.

I'm learning. I'm learning. But that's why we play underdog. It makes the game way more exciting to watch in real time to see if those pick-ems hit or not. Hopefully they did for all of y'all out there. But we're going to talk a little college football to start this show. So no love lost between Colorado and Colorado State football teams.

Tensions were high during Colorado's double overtime win last season. And before the Rocky Mountain Showdown rematch this weekend, Colorado State quarterback Braden Flower-Nicolosi continued to trash talk, saying, quote, they, talking about Colorado, came out with that attitude and thought it was going to be a cakewalk. They saw the reports, 27 and a half points or whatever it was, and they got a rude, rude awakening real quick. And I think it goes to show that the hype, the media train, all that, it only gets you so far at the end of the day. At the end of the day, you have to line up 11 guys against our 11 guys, and we'll find out who wants it more. We'll see how far

Instagram followers gets them. A little spicy going into the game, but Colorado State messed around and found out, suffering a 28-9 loss. Shador Sanders finished the game with 310 passing yards and four touchdowns. So after the game, Sanders and Fowler-Nicolosi met on the field and had this exchange. One of my favorite post-game exchanges I've seen in a while. But for what it's worth, Sanders did take the time to shake hands with other Colorado State players and coaches. He just had an issue with the quarterback.

They did not do their traditional post-game dap up. But do you guys have any issue with Shador Sanders not shaking hands with Colorado State's QB after the game? No, man. I don't care about shaking hands. What does shaking hands mean? We have to ask Isaiah Thomas and Michael Jordan that question. I'm just trying to figure out what does shaking hands actually mean after a win or a loss?

It's like, ha ha, beat your ass. Let's shake hands? Like, I really don't know. You know what I mean? It's just, what is the real point of it? People put so much emphasis on sportsmanlike conduct. You know who that is? That's losing ass parents. that's where it started from like losing

as parents that want sportsmanship sportsmanlike conduct to make everything fair right you know oh everyone shakes hands we line up and we shake hands good game everybody oh yeah that's not come on let's come on we beat your ass to off court like yeah That's how that's how I feel like sportsman like Connick does not teach anybody nothing But you don't have respect for your opponent respect for the other team what it's respect me y'all battle I came to respect for an opponent means I came out here tried my hardest I Won or I lost see you motherfuckers next time. I would be better prepared. That's You beat me by 60 and you shake my hand, what does that really do?

It just loses attention. Ladies and gentlemen, does this speak to whether you're a sore loser or not? Or a sore winner, potentially. What, if you don't shake their hand?

Yeah. So like if I beat your ass and you don't shake my hand, I'm looking at you like, yo, relax, bro, it's just a game. Why do you want to shake my hand? Yeah, so just a game when you won. Because we've been taught since little tykes. Yeah. Line up, shake hands. So whenever you're not doing it,

it seems like you're mad at something. So either you lost and you mad you lost, or you won and you mad you didn't play. Somebody mad about something. So either you lost and you mad you lost or you won and you mad you didn't play. Somebody mad about something. Okay, what's more what's more if you're a teammate, right? Are you mad?

Are you which one seems more disrespectful as a teammate? Me not shaking this guy's hand or me sitting there giggling and sniggling with the opponent, which one would you be mad at as your teammate?

Me, like, he walks by, I'm like, oh, hell no. I'm mad about we losing. Or me sitting here, oh, man. Yeah. Right? Like, I don't want to see

my teammates sniggling and giggling with the other team. After we lost, right? After we lost. Like, you over here kicking and hey! But this situation is, we just whooped y'all ass.

I don't need to not shake your hand. Because shaking your hand actually is going to hurt you more now. In a situation like this. Yeah. Shake your hand. Hey, hey,

you remember that shit you said on the line? Exactly. Yeah, yeah. But he took a route that his dad would take. Like, no. Get the fuck out of here.

You know what I'm saying? I heard what you said. I kept receipts. But it's like, bro, at some point, that's where the sportsman conduct kicks in. You win, act like a winner. So shake everybody's hand. In a situation like that, because I'm petty, I'm going to go out of my way to go find you. Yes.

To shake your hand. In a situation like that. But a regular after game. Nah. But see, now think about what you're saying. I won, I beat your ass. Of course I want to shake your hand, right? I want to shake that shit because it hurts more, right?

It hurts when one side is sitting there like this and then the other side is not looking. But after talking crazy. That's the thing. He's talking crazy. Now I gotta find where that nigga at. Just think about the concept of shaking somebody's hand after.

It doesn't benefit a loser. Because he has his head down. And the team that won is sitting there prowl smiling. Wake up. It's going to be all right. Fuck you up close.

Fuck you up close. Right? So I can't be mad if my group that lost don't want to shake your hand. Right? Because it's more embarrassing shaking your hand because I know what it is. I know what it means. No doubt. It means it's another stamp of we whooped your ass,

and that's why it just seems like, mm. Well, look, before we continue, we got to give Cheryl her proper intro. Four-time WNBA champion. Three-time WNBA MVP. Cheryl Swoop is back in the arena. Hey, you've been smoking lately. Yeah, I give me a lot. Yeah, give me lots.

Yeah, you been out here smoking. We gonna run out of smoke. We gonna run out of smoke. Give me more. You know how you do? We see you repping for the MVP. Adrienne Wilson, we see you got the jersey. The unanimous MVP, but I didn't say that.

With your hot streak. I need more smoke. Girl, we got a lot. We got a posture, you need to. I need more smoke. Girl, we got a lot. We got a lot right here. You're going to run out of smoke. We need a foggy in the building. Are you flying?

Are you flying? Can we show this your door clip? I'm trying to get this shit out of my face. Can we show this your door clip one more time for Cheryl? Just in case you haven't seen it. I saw it. Shoot. I saw it.

You got a tiger sitting on his throat. You saw it. I saw it. You got the same nigga talking shit on Instagram. What? You talking shit on Instagram. What happened? You came in on me. And did he limp off too? Huh? The corner?

He limped off? His tail between his legs. Yeah. You that same ninja who's talking shit on Instagram. Yeah. You cannot mess with me. But see, in a situation like that, I know he put his hands on the floor. I know he put his hands on the floor.

I know he put his hands on the floor. I know he put his hands on the floor. I know he put his hands on the floor. I know he put his hands on the floor. I know he put his hands on the floor. I know he put his hands on the floor. I know he put his hands on the floor. I. That was talking shit on Instagram. Yeah. You cannot mess with me. But see, in a situation like that, I know he put his hand out, I would have grabbed it. I would have held onto it and I would have said what he said.

Looked at him in his eye. Yeah. Yeah. Remember that? Hell yeah. On two minutes in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like Caesar.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This ain't your game no more, playboy. This ain't your game no more more playboy It's my game now So good you touch on this a little bit already But I want to ask the rest of the couch is good sportsmanship overrated like we always put an emphasis on sports on But what I don't know what it means Like I'm sorry. I don't I don't know beat each other know what I'm saying is I don't I don't I don't really know what it means. Like, I'm sorry. I don't know. Like, we're trying to beat each other. No, what I'm saying is I don't really know what it truly means.

Because in real time, we can see what it shows, right? It's more of the peacock, right? When they want to show they want to strut one more time. Yeah. It's like, I'd rather you beat me by 60. Just go to your locker room, doll. I don't want to, you one more time. Yeah. It's like, I'd rather you beat me by 60, just go to your locker room, dog. I don't want to, you know what I mean? And just.

And especially at the end of a game. Yeah. Like, I agree with you. Like, what does that mean? At the end of the game, and honestly, the WNBA just, I think, just stopped doing end of game shaking hands like a couple of years ago because I've never understood that and And also if something

Happens in the game where me and you get into it. I don't want to see you in the line shaking your hand good game or high-five I What if it's a friend former teammate some of you got a previous relationship with? Is it different in that situation? Well, I'll just go find that person. Exactly, okay. Seek them out. Like, we ain't got a lineup and... Two, four, six, eight. We appreciate it.

It's nasty work, man. It's... especially when you grew up outside of the lines of the sportsmanship shit where coach wanted you to do that, and you're like, I don't want to fucking shake their hand. We just beat their ass. And it's a mentality, and I think it contributes a lot to, like, the mama mentality

where I just want to eat your heart out. I don't want to shake your hand. I don't care about after the game. I don't want to hear y'all saying, don't lay the ball up because we are 40. Stop us. Make the game closer. I don't want to hear you complaining after the, don't lay the ball up because we have 40. Stop us. Make the game closer. I don't want to hear you complaining after the game about how bad we beat y'all.

It's like, we prepared to beat you this bad. There were some complaints in the game. So, Colorado won the game 28-9. Shadur Sanders still in the fourth quarter throwing passes. But you mad. I'm trying to get these numbers. Deep these numbers up. Like, what you mean?

But that's what I'm saying. Like, we always hear the comeback Cinderella stories, right? We never hear why there's a Cinderella story, right? We're up 25. Everyone in the arena expects, hopes, the coach on the other side and the players get subbed out of the game. They sit. The other team who's losing yeah

they get to keep the starters in make their runs the starters come back now these guys got to come off the bench take the goddamn ice off while this team has this this this big aura about them they come back and win and say oh they came back uh back 26-point deficit. We never gave up. Like, come on, y'all. We had hope. Like, you expect me to take the brakes off while you still get to go 1,000. That's not how, that's not called sportsmanlike conduct. So what about the other side, though?

Let's say the losing team's getting smacked, they throw in the towel, and they put in their reserve at that point. Okay, what does throw in the towel? If I'm putting in guys who traditionally wouldn't be playing in that moment. what am i supposed to do throw in your guy on your top most people think you should take your ship is you take your side out i take my side out we basically saying we're both giving up today but do that ever happens sometimes yeah yeah rarely right that the like you want like a 55 you want me to take my starters out first, and then you go check the temperature. Check the temperature.

See, if my guys make a couple runs where you took your guys out, we might have a chance to turn the corner. Like, I hate when I see, let's say, like, down 14, you know, you just came at me and scored, or tried to score. You just tried to score, right tried to score right yeah boom boom boom

i got the rebound now you want to play lazy defense and then i go score then you get mad yeah no that's not how that works no no no you know nigga you just tried to score on me full speed yeah you just tried to score me two points i need i need two points too yeah nah y'all what y'all doing yeah you're trying trying to go hard? What you doing? You have a chance. There's always a possession, right, that the other team, the losing team has first. Before I get the ball, you have a chance.

Yeah. To hold the clock, do all this. You got it first. Don't come here and do a one-four flat, and then get a quick shot, and then get mad when I come down and try to get the get back. That's not how that's supposed to be. And then get mad and want to fight after.

Like, why are you, first of all, why are you in the game still, though? You in the game trying to get your points, me too. So what's a fair score to be up where both teams agree the game's out of reach to put our subs in? 30? Well, it depends on how much time's on the clock. First half.

Let's say start of the second half, you're up 30. No, I'm going to keep my players in. Keep your players in. So last 12 minutes for fourth quarter, start of the fourth, down 30. I'm going to start my players in the fourth quarter. As the losing team. Oh, as the losing team? As the losing team.

Down 30. Yeah, I'm going to give it one last shot. With the starters. Yeah. Okay, starting the fourth, we're starting with the starters, and they're starting with their starters. Would they start with their starters up 30 in the fourth? I think it's different for everybody. Yeah. They may not do with their starters up 30 in the fourth? I think it's different for everybody.

Yeah. They may not do all their starters, but at least a couple of them are gonna be in to make sure... It don't get to 25, 20. I'm gonna tell you like this. If you are losing by 30 and then you take your starters out and put your bench players in, you are a loser. That's why you're down 30, because you already, this is the shit you're thinking about. Not we're going to put it in the full court.

You're a fucking loser because you just gave the fuck up, even though there's 12 minutes left. But my thing is, if you're the losing team, just because you do that, don't expect me to do the same thing. Yep, yep, yep. Because you're making that decision. That's the expectation on the sportsman like Conor that he's saying.

He's saying that everyone's expecting. Just because I do it on my side, you're supposed to do it on your side, and it's not the case. But I do think this. I do think this. Right? I'm going to put a couple of my players in the fourth quarter, make sure, you know, they don't get back in the game.

But then I'm going to take them out because you also risk injury. Yes. So it's like if you're – and then coaches, people are going to come for the coach. Like, you were up by 30. Why are you in the game anyway? But I'm going to, you know, make sure we're good, and then I probably am going to take them out. Yeah.

What? What if you average in 30 and you only got 20? Hey, I was going to ask that question, though, especially in sports. Would you want to be taken out? No, because as a player. Up 30? But as a player, no.

Because as a player, I'm going to be like, coach, let me see if I can get my average. And after a few minutes, if I ain't got it, then yeah, you need to come out. Yeah, especially, I mean, in professional sports where everything's tied to performance, you got bonuses, you got so much on the line. And a lot of times, it may not be that star player's fault

that the team is trash or the coach ain't delivering the expectations. See, what they talking about is different compared to the other side of it. Like, if they're beating me by 30, right? And it's one of them games for us. Like we just had one of them bad games, y'all kicked our ass.

But now I see y'all trying to get y'all points. Y'all trying to get y'all points on the fact that y'all up like this. And it's like, that's where the insult comes in. It's like, you're not just insulting me through the fact that you're playing better, but you're basically saying,

fuck you. Well, but that ain't my fault. Like, fuck you. But that, yeah, but that's not my fault.

Like, fuck you. Because you know that, I'm going to get my points on you now. Like, y'all that bad. And this has happened.

This has happened. What if you have a player that, you know, is averaging a double-double and he or she's two rebounds away? But you're up 30. Yeah.

Soon as she comes back in the game, this is what I've seen guys like Isaiah Thomas as a coach do. Up 30. See him at the scores table? Oh, yeah, get him. He's going to get fouled. This dude's going to get fouled. Soon as he shake hands, he's getting fou, yeah, get him. He's going to get fouled. This dude's going to get fouled. Soon as he shake hands, he's getting fouled.

I'm sending you in the game to make sure you're insulting us. No, we don't play that shit. That's the type of coach, like, he's like an old school. You should have played better. You should have been insulted when you're down 30. But he has to protect some type of integrity. There's no integrity. But there's no integrity. You're down 30. Don't try to show me up. I'm There's no integrity. But there's no integrity.

You're down 30. Don't try to show me up. I'm already showing you up. We beat you by 30. Don't try no more. You're doing too much. But what I'm saying is. You're doing too much.

Don't try to make it 30. Leave it at 30. Leave it at 30. I don't need 35, 40. But think about it like this. What happens is it's a team. It's a team dominance. Everybody's playing well.

We're beating you as a team. It's a team dominance. Everybody's playing well. We're beating you as a team So the star player this is when the star player passed the ball around and everybody's hitting shots solid game So he's not really getting his numbers, but you know what I mean? It's like I still got to do right by him But does he chalk it up as one of these games that we just blew niggas out? I gotta take this no because it's almost like an L for the star player. If you're up 40 and you only have 15, by the time they're about to sub you out, you're like, damn, it's one of those games I ain't going to get this.

It all depends. Unless the coach, like she said, like, let me go ahead and. There's so much that plays into that, though, right? If there's a record going on. A good coach-player relationship. Those things play a part. Let's just say the person's on a 22-game streak. Yeah.

Right? And they need 10 points, and there's 10 minutes left. Hey, you got 10 minutes to get this. You scored 10 points. I like that. If you don't get it, you got to get it. Hey, and I'm going to say this. Be careful.

Right. Right, right, right. That's it. So you're being aware of the sportsmanship aspect of, hey, they not fucking around. They'll fuck around and get hurt if you're out there. No, I'm aware of the bad sportsmanship. The bad sportsmanship.

Yeah. There you go. Because it's not sportsmanship if you're mad and you got to go try to hurt the player. That's not sportsmanship. Because we beating your ass. Because we beating your ass. Because we're beating your ass. Like, it ain't no...

Because it's not like you guys are just... It's not like the other team has stopped playing basketball. Right. They're still playing. So you can shoot in three seconds. I had to take the whole 24-second shot. Right. Right?

You get to come down, shoot, 24 seconds. Yeah. Shoot, 20... It seems like that's what is... And then the star player shouldn't be able to shoot. It should be the rest of the team. It's like there's these is... And then the start player shouldn't be able to shoot. It should be the rest of the big players. There's these invisible rules that just don't make sense.

And then you can shoot the next six shots, and then I shoot one shot, you mad at me. Matt, everybody looking at you like, what you doing, Steph? Goddamn, Steph Curry. He's trying to get your points out here? Damn. You would have hit 10 threes already, Steph. Goddamn. You would have shoot another onerees already. Steph got that.

You would have shoot another one. New York. I've seen a New York game. The player came down. Fast break. Fast break. Came down. Shot it.

Boom. They came down and scored. He got the ball. Shot again. Missed it. Got the rebound. Shot again. Yes.

The other team came down on a fast break. Shot the three in the corner. The nigga who just shot three, four shots in a row got mad, pushed him out of bounds. I'm sitting here like, oh, you know, you should get your ass fucked. Because first of all, he wouldn't have got this three if you didn't turn it. Because he turned, what happened is he was trying to get another shot and they turned the ball over. And I think it was Julius, it might have been Julius Randle who backed it out. It just in the corner was like well fuck it and shot the three hmm and the nigga push you yeah he got mad it was it was either it was either the Knicks pushing somebody or Julius Randall getting put

that's crazy like the dude was just you just took three three the dude was so trying to get his points yeah and he turned the ball over and oh shit yeah and they said they're waiting to is like oh fuck it shot three and then got mad the dude was so trying to get his points and he turned the ball over and oh shit. And then sat there, waited too. He was like, oh fuck it. Shot three and then got mad and pushed him. But you know, I also think it depends on like the coach. Like in this situation with Colorado and Colorado State.

Right? It's a rivalry. It is. And you also know Prime. Like he's a competitor and he knows the shit that was said. Right? So I'm like, listen, y'all are going to stay in the game. Yeah. He trying to step on me. I'm trying to step

on you. I'm trying to step on you. You insulted me the first time, and then your quarterback out here talking to my son. It ain't just my quarterback. It's my son, too. It's my son, too. So we're son, too. It's my son, too. So we're going to step on y'all every chance we get.

How many times did Mike Tyson shake the opponent's hand after he knocked him out of the team? No, no, no, no, no. All of us? Every single one of them, after he knocked him out,

he... Hey, man, you okay? You can still breathe. Can you breathe? What I'm saying is, imagine him going into this fight, saying, I'm going to make it go 12 rounds. I'm going to toy with him to 12. Like, if I'm better, shouldn't I be better?

Yeah. Because if I'm toying with you, then that's more insulting. Exactly. We have a rule. There's a rule, and it was my son's middle school team, If I'm better, shouldn't I be better? Yeah. Because if I'm toying with you, then that's more insulting. Exactly. Like, we have a rule. There's a rule in my son's middle school team, heritage, right? Heritage is a very superior middle school, right? Most of the time, they can basically score 100 points.

But in their league, they're not allowed to break 100. Whoa. Right? Hey, hey. Yeah. Go ahead. They're not allowed to break 100. Whoa. Right? Hey, hey. Yeah. Go ahead. They're not allowed to break 100.

If they're up 25, they have to play zone. Yeah. Right? If they're up, they can't press anymore. They have to play zone. What? Wait. And how old is he?

This was, was it, you said middle school? Oh, in middle school. It was in middle school. Okay. So six, seven. Okay. So I remember we were playing Sierra Canyon. Right. That's when Bryson got there. They put the C team up.

The score in the beginning of the fourth was 96 to 10. And they're saying, don't score 100. Now, imagine what the next eight minutes look like. Wow. So in eight minutes, we can only score two points. But they had to forfeit the game? It was something. I don't know.

He knows the league. I've seen rules like that before. I believe there was a story about a high school coach that smacked another team and had to write a letter why they did it. And it's like, well, the other team was trash. So they didn't just call the game. Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. So what ends up happening, what do you think they start doing?

Giving the kids the ball, taking it back, throwing it between the legs. Yeah. They start fucking with them. And they start throwing it from half court because in eight minutes, they can only score two more points. They can't get to 100. So now the parents of the other team is like, well, this is more embarrassing. Way more embarrassing. This is more embarrassing that they're doing this to our children

because now the kids are crying. Yes. Bouncing it off their head, throwing it between. Now they're just playing with them and then throwing it out of bounds, turning the ball over because they can't score or they get in trouble. They do that in youth sports a lot too. And my thought is always like, let these kids understand they got their asses whooped today.

Like they need to see the score. Yeah, like what part of that is okay? If I kick your ass that part that hard to the point where your kid has to reevaluate whether he wants to keep playing. This may not be for you. This may not be for me because that's how it's going to be moving forward. It ain't going to get no easier because as we get better, we want to kick your ass even harder than they was kicking your ass then.

And if you get any better than you are and you start getting good, you're like, I don't know if I really... Like you said when you see Vince, you in the league, on the bench. Like, man, I seen Vince Carter. I think I should have played you see Vince you you in the league on the mix like man I see Vince Carter. I think I should play football But that teaches like it teaches you life lessons, yeah, right, I mean Kobe yeah, Kobe and They they played a team that team beat them but what like 20 30 points Yeah, the girls are so pissed off that they trained.

Like, they went to practice and said, all right, we understand now. And then they played this team and they beat this team now by what, 70, 80? I remember just the group photo in front of the scoreboard, but they're all jumping. One of my favorite photos. And the parents is like, why are you doing this? It's like, I'm not going to get this. My girls savored this moment. Yeah. One of my favorite photos. And the parents is like, why are you doing this? I'm not going to get this. My girls savored this moment. I'm not, no.

I'm not going to make y'all feel good because y'all didn't feel sorry for us when we lost by 20 something. That's crazy. So why should we feel sorry about you when you lost by 90? Get better, we'll see you again. That's the perfect example of a sportsmanship

because it turns his head very quickly. You was the victim first. Now you know what it feels like to be on the victory side. Like, oh, this is what it feels like to make them do what they made us do. And let's keep it real. You know the other team was clowning. Like, oh, we smack all these teams. No doubt.

Because the other side of that is with your son's team, if there's a rule where you can't score 100 points, so now they're just doing whatever, throwing it out of bounds. Like you said, throwing it. Like, what is that teaching? Both teams. Yeah. And what it looked like, and I told the coach,

I said, man, you're lucky you're the coach because I'm going to have to set an example. And it has to be a rude example because what ends up happening is you guys practice so much against each other to be excellent, and then you only have truly four or five minutes of real basketball before it gets out of hand. And then now you're spending the rest of the game just playing around. So it's teaching these kids how to play around. It's not teaching them basketball.

So now you have to sit there and take what, take the ball out of bounds, let them score, don't play defense, just so you can play offense for real. Like, it becomes this thing where now you're sitting in kids, they're just sitting there playing. And I told my son, I'm sorry, man, you can't play here no more. Right. And they get cocky, too. Yeah.

Think about the confidence that that brings when you just smack a team in the first six minutes and you ain't got to play hard the rest of the game it's like are we gonna do this to every team so if you do it to every teams imagine that one kid is on the team that's the best player he ain't even he don't even play hard he don't even play hard he just walk on the floor you notice that you know you know what the coach said he says which made sense said, our practices against each other is our actual game. Yeah. The games that we're playing, that's our practice.

Yep. Because our competition is each other. So what ends up happening is they basically had three teams. It was a gold, a black, and what is it, the white team. So usually in the league play gold and black are playing against each other in championship yeah right so it's heritage versus here it's just in a championship game not in the other school you know what I mean and it just it just it's like it just teaches bad

habits but even that other side though good for the good team it does that that creates the challenge in practice where you got white team versus gold team. They both elite. And this is our game. The practice is our game. So when we go out to practice, I mean, we go out to actually play the game, we literally can't go through the motions

because we know this team. We get them out of there like this. Hey, look, Josiah and Rashad, y'all going to go in because we just smacked them already. We're gonna get to play tonight. Rashad, we were already in the game. No, we wasn't.

We was not. We was not. We was not in the game. Me and you was not in the game. We was watching. I appreciate you putting yourself in there. They pulled me and Gil out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Put us in. We look at the tile like, are y'all done? Are you gonna shoot another one? They wonder why when you're going to the sports, they're like, yo, where's all the killers? They're being trained not to be. Facts. They're being trained not to be.

And when they get to this level, they've been trained to team up all these years. Super team shit. They've been super teaming up. Wow. Now when they get to this level, all of them are very high level role players. And they do not want to play without the other super Yeah, they've been playing with a

Only no pressure What's happening you ain't got you I'm used to passing into this thing So we asked the chat is good sportsmanship overrated 57% say yes. Nearly 3,000 votes. We appreciate you, Chad. That's our Chad. Let's go, Chad. Chad knows.

Teach your kids how to whoop ass. No. And when you got them down, keep them down. Keep your foot on they neck. You up 50, go up 60. Damn, bitch. You up 50, don't go down. Don't be up 30. You know what I mean? It's confidence. That part. I don't want to be like, you're up 50. Don't go down. Don't be up 30.

You know what I mean? Confidence, oh, we just went up 20 next time. Like, no, no, no, no, no. 60, so when they see us, the niggas be like, he's a killer. He's a killer. He's trying to kill me. He's trying to kill me. Like, when people see the 96 Bulls,

when people see the 96 Bulls, remember Jordan said, we went into the layup line. We can see we already won the game. Yeah. We just got a first couple plays, uh-uh. Knock them out. They laying down. Knock them out.

That's how you supposed to do it. Knock them out. Well, let's keep this thing moving. So back in January, Pat Riley revealed Hall of Famer Dwyane Wade would become the first player in Heat history to receive a statue. And recently, the Heat announced Wade will get a two-day ceremony

with the statue unveiling on October 27th and a statue night on October 28th for the Heat's game against the Pistons. Wade helped lead the Heat to three championships with a 2006 Finals MVP, transforming Dade County into Wade County. In his career, D. Wade was a 13-time All-Star, made eight All-NBA teams, three All-Defensive squads, averaged 23.5 rebounds, six assists in his 15 seasons with the Heat, and is a member of the NBA's 75th anniversary team.

Congrats to D-Wade for getting that statue. Still have not pulled up to the arena, even though you're a local, but we forgive you. We're not going to say nothing. But what should D-Wade's heat statue pose be? What's D-Wade's most iconic? Hmm. The cabbage patch. The cabbage patch.

Didn't he have a, um? This. He does this a lot. Yeah, the D-Wade shit. I think he had it on his shoes. That's kind of like the Jordan. That's kind of like the Jordan. I think the Converse was at the Converse. That's kind of like the Jordan with the ball. That is.

I think he had that logo, though. I think the dunk on Vera Jowell. I want to see Vera Jowell in the statue. Oh, with the... Just getting... That's why you can't have him in the statue. That's me. Look.

You can't have him in the statue. I don't know. Go back to those pictures again. Is it going to be one of those pics? This one. Yeah. Yeah, that one. That's it.

That's the one. That's the one. That's the one. This is my house. Yeah, this is my house. They might use that one, though. That's nice, too. That's what I'm saying.

They might end up using that one. That's nice, too. Shout out to. Whatever they use might end up using that one. So shout out to Brian. That's young, dude. Whatever they use. He got a statue. Yeah, no matter what it is. What about the alley-oop to Brian? That one?

Boo. Nah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Separate, separate myself. Give me a bucket. Separate myself from this nigga. I don't want to be a part of it. You got to put him in all my shit.

Oh, you mean just the finish your one? Yeah. It's like the most famous NBA picture. Yeah, yeah, but that doesn't even have nothing to do with him. If they make that D-Wade statue and they make Brian's statue, I'm just saying. That would be hard though. That would be hard. It really would be. But if you're D-Wade, I would

imagine you probably feel some type of way. Nah, because I won one before you got here, bro. You need to relax. It's my shit. It's my shit. It's Wade County, man. Move around, as they say. So, obviously, you guys both had an opportunity to play against D. Wade during your basketball careers. What was the toughest part of D. Wade's game?

You didn't know how, like, he was strong, explosive, and quick. Right? So, when he hit the hole um like like when you know like when euro came right the euro was a layup and he was turning he was turning a euro into like dunking angles which was there he's coming in, boom, boom, and then jumping. So, you know, his explosion was very underrated because no one realized how explosive he really was

off of spins, like, out of just regular movement, and he still had all that jumping power, right? And, you know, that was really different. I think... Willing. I think, uh. Willingness to win, too. Yeah. His style, it was his style of play. It was the Chicago style.

He kind of had that slew-footed Donovan Mitchell kind of stature, but super athletic. Like he said, quick, fast. One thing I remember about D-Wade is when I got drafted, Melo and D-Wade threw a draft party for our class. And the first time I met him, he came up to me after we did the draft and we had the party. He's like, man, I really fuck with your game, bro.

I really fuck with your game. I really like everything you do on the court. And I was being compared to Gil and D-Wade at the time as a tweener just because of the size and the ability to score at a high clip. And I just remember seeing him play like 05, 06, 07. It was just like, yo, if I'm compared to this, I got like that, that shit I got to change. I got to change my shit up because that shit was just, I never seen nothing like that. The spins on the baseline, the rip back. He created so many different nuances for guys my size that we can be like, all right, we

can get this off, fade on it a little bit here. Use your athleticism when you can. You know, the Euro into the floater. D-Wade is a generational, well, I'm not going to say generational. I'm going to say he's a cultural icon. And he's one of the most underrated players in the history of the game. And people talk a lot about D-Wade for his offensive exploits, which obviously he deserves, but also was a beast on the defensive end.

Most blocks by a guard in NBA history, 885 career blocks. Tenacity. Jordan, the second place. Tenacity. That's saying a lot. That's saying a lot with the teams he had. Yeah. Because he had big men back there.

So he had... Alonzo Mourning. So he had real defenders. So most of his blocks was basically coming on the guy he's guarding. Yes. Right? So he knows how to time shots and then, you know, weak side blocks. Yep. Chase down blocks.

Chase down blocks, yeah. So he... Word is waved. Eurostep. But we're gonna keep it real. Elgin Baylor was doing the Eurostep back in the 50s. But, you know, they don't want to have that conversation. But for the sake of this show, my Elgin step movement hasn't caught on yet. But where does the Euro step rank amongst players? You see, where does D-Way's Euro step rank amongst players that you've seen? D-Way, I think he enhanced it. He enhanced

Ginobili's. When Ginobili brought it, it was wide. And it was going left only. So we was trying to figure out, like, how to stop this nigga going left. He's going to go left regardless. But then he step left and then go right, and you're OU. So D-Wave made it tighter. He made it where it was fast, where he coming straight at you. And he...

And that shit was just so dynamic to the point where ain't shit you could do but follow him. and he'll, whew. And that shit was just so dynamic to the point where ain't shit you could do with Folly. I mean, Ginobili's was really good because it wasn't seen then, right? When you're trying to really cut him off and he, boom, boom. Mm-hmm. D-Waze was sharper.

Facts. Right? It was crisp, right? Like, he's coming at you full speed. It's... Yeah, it slows down on your way. It became this, like, boom, boom. Then he had to slow down.

Then, like, when he made Kevin Garnett do a 360 on Eurostep, that's how... Going at you full. Coming at you, boom, boom. Like, I'll rank it one. One, for sure. I'll rank it one.

Okay. Then you got your James Harden to win. One, James Harden. The nigga that brought it over here is third. Kevin Durant. It was already... The nigga that brought it over here is third. It was already there.

It got dead fire. It was over here since, you know, 1972. Yeah, yeah. We were in the 50s. It was a travel then. We seen Dominique drive. Like, damn, that's just, that's two steps. Elja Baylor was getting it off 50, 60.

It was like, yeah, routinely. Routinely. They didn't call travel then? No. So, wait, they didn't call it in the 50s? But you know, it was different back then. So why did they start calling it when Dominique was trying it? Some strong calf muscles.

They got some strong calves. This is like a walk. That's for another episode of Gil's Arena. So D-Wade, first player in history to get a statue. Do you guys see a world where somewhere in the far future that LeBron gets a statue in Miami as well? Two chips two finals MVP If you take them personal out of it

They did take a chocolate chip cookies good I'm just if you take the person out at Maybe maybe get one in where Miami. No, so why would LeBron go? To check LeBron actually play very well That play he play I got one know what I was any no, but what I'm saying is LeBron played very well in Miami Shag played all right But all right Maybe Played all right. Maybe in the post-Pat Riley era.

Yeah, but do you go back and say, well, Chris Bosh should get a set? Yeah, yeah. That sounds like who else? Alonzo Forning should get a set. Alonzo for sure. I think Udonis could have a compelling argument as well. Alonzo for sure. Right? For sure.

No doubt. What I'm saying is if you're Pat Riley Riley you might do it just because of the name Right because the name is Such a great name that does a will Chamberlain have one here Yeah, and I stay put yes tables see so it might be one of those yeah, it might be one of those They just start you just start just the great names that came through you. It could happen. Yeah.

I wouldn't be surprised. And is it now we're going to give D. Wade one because, like, this generation of players are getting them? Yeah. Because you can go back to the Heat organization and look at players. It's like if we're doing statues, then we definitely need to go back and give Zoe a statue.

Or Tim Hardaway. Yeah, like there are a lot of players that have come through, right? Whoa, whoa, whoa. They got their jerseys up there. There's jerseys? They got a jersey and they're statue type of players. So you're saying

D-Wade's the only player that's come through Miami that is deserving of a statue? That's a statue? He's the only player with three rings. The greatest player. He's not the only player with three rings, but he has three rings and he was the main guy. With Miami.

With Miami. He's the best player in franchise history, but he has the rings to back it. When you just started just, you know... I don't see what... You could definitely throw LeBron in there. You could. That's something you could.

Just because. Two trips, two finals, two MVPs. Would LeBron a statue too? I... At this point in time, last year I was like, hmm. Criteria. If Woot Chamberlain, because Woot didn't win a championship here, right?

No. He didn't really have his career here. No. Right? Well, off the court he was. But what I'm saying is LeBron James will have a statue at Staples because you're not going to have the number one score in nba history not not everybody but you got but you got everybody else it just like it's so so that makes him i don't know this the only player that would have a statue in miami and a statue in possibly

cleveland is gonna give him one no matter what. So three. Three teams? He can possibly be three. Dang! 100% sure he will have two because there's no way Los Angeles don't have him with the name. For sure. Because they only put it in prestige in that front. For sure.

Just keep the statue away from Kobe. You don't want it anywhere near Kobe. He's going to have three options. Put it on the roof. Put that bitch on the roof. Let the motherfucker see You don't want it anywhere near Kobe. He's going to have three options. Put it on the roof. Put that bitch on the roof. Let the motherfucker see that the motherfucker No, you don't want to put it on the roof.

Yeah. Then he owns the, he's overlooking the world. Well, put it in the garage, the parking garage. Put it in the parking garage. Then put the Kobe on the roof. Park over there, nigga. Putting the Kobe statue on the roof would be legendary. Y'all stop laughing back there.

Y'all kidding me? Does Bird have a statue? You know we don't know. We don't know. Nobody pays attention to Boston. Indiana State. I don't give a fuck about Indiana State. They don't got Boston.

That's none of our business. Boston don't have a statue of Larry Bird. And Magic has a statue. Jordan has a statue. Budget. Budget cuts. White people done failed. White people, y'all done failed.

I think they just, they just like, look, we got Boston. This is Boston. Nah, y'all done failed. I can tell you this. Denver going to have a yokish statue suited, yok, we got Boston. This is Boston. Nah, y'all done failed. I can tell you this. Denver going to have a Jokic statue suited Jokic studs. Quick. Right? That's a fact.

Do we have a Cheryl Swoop statue in Houston? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. How you feel about that? What happens if y'all don't have an arena? Budgets. We don't even have a team. You don't have a team.

Whatever. I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about it either. What about the headquarters? The WNBA headquarters? You have statues outside of there. They have a soup street. Put it in Dallas.

You have a soup street. You got a soup street. It's a headquarters. Slap at them niggas' headquarters. We ain't got nothing. You saw my face, didn't you? You don't even got a headquarters. You saw my face.

We like Googling the night of the night. What's a headquarters? We ain't got a garage. Where is the WNBA headquarters? Where is the headquarters? Y'all full of shit. They still got the garage. I'm not.

Hello? Hold on. I got to let the babysitter in. Hold on. I'm not entertaining that. Google in the 80s. Just move on to the next topic. I'm not entertaining.

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Wilson her flowers on this very program. So after setting the WNBA single-season scoring record last week, Aces superstar Asia Wilson made some more history on Sunday in a win against the Connecticut Sun, becoming the first player in league history to eclipse the 1,000-point mark. So after the game, an emotional Wilson had high praise for Aces teammates. Y'all will never understand how much y'all mean to me because there's days where I hate being Asa Wilson. I hate it.

But when I come into work and I see y'all smiling and I see y'all just happy, that makes me who I am. And I am so grateful to have teammates like y'all because I don't... Y'all, listen, I can go on. Y'all are just amazing people. And I love coming into work with y'all every single day. Because life is hard.

We all know it is. But when I come into work and I see y'all, it changes my whole outlook on life. So I am so, so appreciative for y'all because it's hard. We know it's hard. But I'm nothing without y'all. And I'm so grateful. And thank you so much.

Never change, y'all. Never change. Thank you. We love you, babe. Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay.

Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay. Yay, A. We love you, A. We love you, A. We love you, A. We love you, A. We love you, A. We love you, A. We love you, A. We love you, A. So, at... Jeez.

Huh. I see you got... You need attention? Huh? We in a little motion. Yeah, I mean, you know, I felt that. I felt all of that. Yeah, no, that's real talk right there.

Shout out to A. She's currently averaging 27 points, 12 rebounds, nearly two steals, nearly three blocks per game this season. She will end the season with the highest points per game average in WNBA history, second highest rebound per game average behind Angel Reese. So Wilson is the MVP frontrunner, will look to become the first

unanimous selection since Cynthia Cooper in 1997. Also in the running for her third straight defensive player of the year, although Nafisa Collier, I think is currently the frontrunner on that side. But Sheryl, we got you in the building. You are the GOAT. Is Asia Wilson having the best individual season in WNBA history? Uh...

I mean, if she's not, I don't know who it was. I just... You know, I was very blessed to play with some incredible talent, players, played against some of the best, but listen, she scored a thousand points in a season. One season, which has never been done before. And it's not like they play 82 games. Yeah. Asia is on a whole other level. Asia's doing stuff that's never been done in this league before.

And I say this a lot, because I think people use the term goat for anybody that's a really good player. It's like, oh, she's a goat, he's a goat. And Asia even said right now she's a baby goat. Okay. Bad. One of those. Bad. Yeah, not a bad.

Baby. Not a full bad. And I would just say she is absolutely in the conversation because what she's doing this season has never been done before. A hell of a talent. Hell of a player. And is just getting better with every single game. Yeah.

It's kind of scary. I appreciate you, Asia, for always hitting on the pick-ems. You know, help keep my pockets blessed. So Aces are looking to become the first WNBA team to three-peat since your Houston Comets, which four-peated in 1997 to 2000. But they're currently fourth in the league, two games left remaining. Not as great of a season as last year,

where I believe they set the wins record. But are the Aces still a legit threat to three-peat this season? So the selfish person in me does not want them to win. Okay. Right or wrong? Yeah, I don't want them to, but I love the team. They're not going to get four, though.

I mean, three? I don't even want them to get three. But I love Asia. Sportsmanship is overrated. But you know what? At the beginning of the season, I was like, yeah, this Aces team, they're primed to win another one. Granted, injuries,

all those things, I do think Chelsea Gray is getting back to the old Chelsea Gray. And the old Chelsea Gray is a hell of a player. And you know what Asia's going to bring? I'm not sure about the other players. Tiffany Hayes, I think, is great.

But it isn't so much about the Aces. It's about the other teams, right? I think Minnesota is playing very well right now. I think New York is playing well right now. I think Indiana is a team that could really surprise some people in the playoffs. So the answer to your question, I don't know. You think, so who played them in the championship?

New York, right? Yeah. Who did they get as a free agent? Who did who get? New York. That's the thing. New York didn't really add anybody. They didn't get nobody.

They didn't add anybody? They didn't add anybody. I think New York is like, y'all came in here last year and beat us without Chelsea Gray, without Kia Stokes, and y'all beat us on our home court for a championship. And so I think they're feeling kind of salty. Running back. Brianna Stewart's playing well. Sabrina Inescu's having a really good season.

Benai Jelaney, like, they have the pieces, but I don't know. I don't know who's going to win, to be honest with you. Minnesota, and a lot of people aren't talking about Minnesota, but Minnesota looks really, really, really good. And that's been a theme this whole season. Obviously, their head coach has been vocal about it. But they are out there. Shout out to Nafisa Collier, who's out there

and doing her thing as well. You know who I like, man. To win it all? Surprise some folks. OK, turn it. No, who do you like to win it all? I have this fever. I have this fever. I already me. No, who do you like to win it off? I have this fever. I have this fever.

I already know. I already know how your mind is. I have this fever of this fever. It won't go away. It's just. To win it all? It just won't go away. It's just stuck in my, stuck, stuck.

Have you been to the doctor? No, I haven't. I refuse. I'm a natural. He's a natural refuser. I'm a holistic guy. You need to go get that fever checked. I'm a holistic. I'm a holistic. I'm a natural. He's a natural refuser. You need to go get that fever checked. I'm a holistic guy. I'm a holistic.

You know what I'm saying? The fever goes down as the body adjusts, right? All right, but why... No, do you have them pick to win it all? I have them pick to make enough noise to get to the championship game. Do you have them pick to win it all? No, because I don't know who they're going to be going against. And that's

a big factor. But you think they'll make it to the championship? I think they could. I think they could. I think the way that they're playing and the way that they need to play is two different aspects. Because Aaliyah and Smith. Melissa. Melissa. Like, they're holding it down, but they still make certain key mistakes down the stretch

that could hurt them against good teams like New York or the Aces. But I've also seen them rally against them teams and make them look like not good teams. Well, the only team they did not beat this season was the Aces. The Aces. They beat everybody else. Because they don't have anything for... Came in last week.

They don't have anything for... That's not it. That's not it. It is. Because they got four Olympians that can key in last week. They don't have anything for Asia. That's not it. That's not it. It is. Because they got four Olympians that can key in on that fucking girl out there that can make plays for everybody else. And me watching that game... They don't have anybody to guard Asia.

They don't have anybody to guard. I understand that. But Asia wasn't the one that was killing them. What was killing them was they neutralized Caitlyn with those three guards out there that knew how to guard her. That we know how to guard her and they took that shit Away from her I was like yo She's gonna have bad games against the aces every time because you got Asia down there

That's gonna block shit, and then you got them three guards that take pride in trying to stop her That's the difference and then you got kill Mitchell. She's always gonna get off They allow Kelsey. They allow her to go. A bonafide bucket. She's not a passer, and she's not a facilitator. You don't need one. But you do if you're going to isolate Kaitlyn from not distributing the ball

and keep her under control. That means that Kelsey has to do what now Kaitlyn is doing, and she's only getting buckets. So now Nalisa, she's not going to get her points. Aaliyah not going to get her points.isa, she's not going to get her points. Aaliyah's not going to get her points. Lexi Holt's not going to get her points. It means, then, if that's the case, then maybe you bring in Erica Wheeler

to handle the Rockets and be that distributor. And you run Caitlin off the ball screen. They're not making them adjustments at all. But I don't think they need to into the playoffs. So that's where the playoffs the playoffs will do I think with fever you could see them. You could see them moving a little further than people expect because Their engine is Caitlin

With passing right now we're passing with passing no doubt now if you try to cut off If you try to cut off her passing lanes she can become a shooter. Yes. Right? If you cut off her shooting she become a passer but because she's she's dominating with the passing and all the scores can score. Yep. That becomes a problem in the playoffs because they can adjust faster than everybody else if they did say all right we're going to neutralize asia and you neutralize asia is everybody ready to try to score 20 right from the perimeter yeah and say all right chelsea great we need you to score 20 today is she willing and she's ready to take off he's willing but can't is she healthy is he is he is

he what i'm feeling is he healthy Is she healthy enough to do it? Is she healthy enough to do it right now? To go get me 20? By the time the playoffs start, I think she will be. Okay, okay, okay. But my thing is this. Before we even get to the aces, if, and you can look it up, I think if playoffs started today, they would match up with Minnesota.

Fever? Second round. Fever? The Fever, who was the Fever player? The Suns. Connecticut, yeah. I like that matchup better better six. That's a good one. I like that much well I think whatever the fever could pull out they can pull it out I guess you could call it an upset just because of the standing yeah But but it would that be an upset to you if the fever beat Connecticut. Yeah, that would be all right Yeah, okay, so I think that's because if you look at the standings. And that match up to me is very, very interesting.

And then the A's. What would the match up be though? Because you got Bronner and Thomas. And then outside of those two, you got the girl who got traded from the Sky, the white girl. Oh, Mayberry. Mayberry. Yeah, Mayberry.

And Carrington. And Carrington. So Carrington's a problem. She's going to give Kaylin. Defensively. She's goingabry. Mabry. And Carrington. And Carrington. So Carrington's a problem. She's going to give... Defensively. She's going to give Kaitlyn's a problem. Then you got the matchup

between Alyssa and... Alyssa guards everybody. She got... Yeah, but she's a monster. I love... Her style of play is just dope. But then you got Bronner.

Like, who... That's going to... She's going to be the... What I think for the fever is offensively like they can score with the best of them right you you got Caitlyn handling the rock I think the best part and you said the best part of her game right now is her passing ability to just just pick the defense apart right and get the ball where it needs to. Defensively, besides Aaliyah Boston,

besides Lexi Hull, because I think Kelsey Mitchell's an okay defender, Lexi Hull, like, is a dog on the defensive end. But besides those two, like, I worry about the defense. Because to your point, come playoffs, you've got to be able to guard somebody. Regardless of who that your first-round matchup is, second-round matchup is. Offensively, I don't worry about them scoring. You got Kelsey Mitchell, who I think people totally forgot about what Kelsey did at Ohio State.

And then even being in the league, like Kelsey's always been a bucket. Aaliyah Boston is playing really well. Nelissa Smith, when she's getting the minutes, she's a rebounding machine. She plays hard. Then you bring in off the bench Timmy Fagbenle, who is playing very well, Demers Dantes, who's playing very well. Shooting the shit out of them. And what I don't see is who is that other guard,

because the guard they bring in is Erica Wheeler. Who's the other guard that you can bring in that can defend somebody? I think they're the women's version of the Dallas Mavericks. And I see Kaitlin being Luka. I like that. Kelsey Mitchell being Kyrie.

I like that, yeah. You know, they got pieces that are very dangerous, but they haven't decided to play defense individually, where collectively, if they did in the playoffs, it would be more team defense. Team defense. No doubt. And they wouldn't have to focus on what we're talking about now as far as liabilities.

You know what I'm saying? And the last thing is experience. Yeah. That's just what, yeah. I mean, Connecticut's been there. Yeah. And they're older. And they're older.

Indiana hasn't been there in I don't know how many years. 2016 since they made their last playoff. That's what I said. It's one of those things where they're just going to have to try to just hopefully their youth. Yeah, the energy. Yeah, try to beat them. Try to have it out the last.

Don't let it get into that last five minutes. The New York Knicks. Yeah. Outplay them. Yeah, don't let it get to a grinded out game and it come down to the three minutes because that's when the veteran, that's when the veteran kicks in, right? They've been there, they've done that, and try to bully through it and, you know, get the refs on their side. You're going to have to try to beat them early.

You have, just like the Connecticut matchup, you have players on this Connecticut team that have been there, right? You got A.T., D.B., D.J.N.A., Marina Mabry, even Ty Harris at the point Brianna Jones like they have the experience and you also

have players that that will get in your head like that's what Alyssa Thomas does that's what Dejanay does when she's

defending Caitlyn like Dejanay is going to talk shit she's going to get up in you so it's not to me it's not, to me, it's not about if the Fever has the talent,

but it's the experience and it's the defense for me. I'll definitely say this. For the Fever, it's not about winning it all at all. It's about getting as far as you can for the confidence of next year and

saying, look what we did. We went from five games to 13 games to 20 plus games in a matter of three years. So making it to the playoffs, just getting in there is one. It's like, yo, we're in the playoffs. You said it perfect. It's like Dallas, right? There was no way Dallas started the playoffs thinking they were going to make it to the championship. And I think that's what gave them the best advantage because they didn't have no expectation. Just go out there and just do us. Yep.

Right? You know, go out there and do us, and that should be their approach. Yep. Right? No one expected us to be here. We're here. The pressure's really on them, not us. We don't supposed to be here. Yeah, it's The pressure's really on them, not us. We don't supposed to be here.

Yeah, it's a good look. You know what I mean? But I also know players on that team that are like, oh, hell no. We don't want to just be here. I was about to say that. Because then when you factor in free agency, you got players on this Indiana Fever team. They getting paid anyway? That are like, no, but players

who will be free agents next year. They getting paid anyway? That are like, no, but players who will be free agents next year. They getting paid. Right? What I'm saying is the start of the season to now, we're in the playoffs. Y'all playing well. Their money's kind of already guaranteed.

Right? For next year? This season coming, I mean, in the summer. Potential contracts because they played so well this season. Everybody on the roster gets a different kind of look.

Right? Because they... You're saying it don't work like that. No, no, no. You're saying it don't work like that. It don't work like that.

Anybody on the Aces going into free agency, everybody's looking at you. Yeah, I don't know. People in the Fever, we're like, y'all... That's not my point. There's a lot of other shit

going on that players are like, this ain't where I want to be. Mm. Over there. Yeah. Yeah. Some new shit is going on around there.

It's a lot. So you have players that are very significant on this Indiana Fever team that are like, I don't want to be here. This is where I want to be this year. Now, listen, for once, he's one of the players. What kind of things do you feel like...

I'm not in the locker room. Okay, okay. I'm talking about more social media. Okay. It's a turn, right? It's really a turn of the tides. Well, Gil, here's my point. The beginning of the year, right, everybody saw it.

The Fever played, I don't know, how many games? Six. But tons, right? They played a lot of games the first half of the season. And you can see the difference that rest made for this team, for individual players and for the team. But the beginning of the year, you have a player like an Aaliyah Boston who was rookie of the year last year,

number one draft pick, a hell of a player. But because things weren't going the way everybody thought they should, then you got social media coming out calling her everything but a child of God. Made the kid delete her social media. And now that they're winning and she's playing better, oh my God, we love you, Aaliyah.

Yeah. But my thing is this. and now that they're winning and she's playing better oh my god we love you alia yeah but my thing is this so what happens when alia ain't playing well again it's back to you you know what i mean and so as a player back to it back to it as a player do you want to like continue to stay in a situation where you keep yourself vulnerable to all of the hate that you know is gonna come to you if you're not playing the way everybody thinks you should be playing. But the grass ain't greener.

And that's for the people who don't know basketball. Grass ain't greener on the other side. You go to another team thinking it's gonna be different, it's the same in every team. But if you're a player, and I'm just using Aaliyah as an example, because Aaliyah's not a free agent, but if you're a player like an Aaliyah Boston,

you know the worth you bring to any other franchise. And you know how that works. Not every player who's a free agent should leave because the grass probably ain't going to be greener for you. Facts. But a player like a Kelsey Mitchell, Kelsey Mitchell could be very valuable to anything. Anywhere, yeah. Facts.

Right? Aaliyah Boston could be very valuable to any team when she becomes a free agent. I'm just saying. And I don't know... But the devil's advocate... Time out. The devil's advocate...

But time out, because I need to say this, because I know how this shit works. I haven't had a conversation with anybody. I don't know who leaving, who staying. I'm just talking. Right? Scenarios. That's all.

Devil's advocate on a situation. Who is complaining that they're not getting recognition again what team it's the sky no no what team is the links okay so how good is the links very good and no one's paying attention to them no matter how good they're playing no one's paying attention to them so all those players on there is fighting for a light right right? Fever has this big, bright light, which means someone like Boston, you wasn't playing well, everyone don't like you, right?

When you are playing well, Jesus, open up the red carpet, boom. So she's getting the red carpet treatment when she's playing well, and when she's not, Who's she getting the red carpet treatment when she's playing well. And when she's not, who's she getting the red carpet treatment from? Just social media people, right? So what ends up happening is, as hateful as everybody was to her,

her jersey, when they loved her, her jersey's moving like hotcakes. She's getting voted into the All-Star game. So it is a hate and love thing So as a as the player you have to understand that either you're gonna have this really high level Hate and love or you can be playing very great and no one notices you Mmm, but you can be playing very bad and no one notices you so which one do you want to be in because? You can average 20 and get $200,000. You can average 15, get $600,000,

and they hate you or love you for it. So it's a pulling, it's a tugging. Well, it is. It's one of these, and you got to, like, her now, today, They love that girl. It's not the same as when the beginning of the season. Like, when you see them on social media, you'll be like, eh. Okay, it's a Kobe and Shaq.

It's a Kobe and Shaq right now. I don't even know if they love her now. My thing is this. When they're winning. Uh-huh. She's the best. Yeah. No, she ain't the best player.

No, no. When they're winning, it's like, oh, Aaliyah had a good game. Yeah. And as soon as they lose a game, it's right back to why is she here? Why is she here? So as a player though, from a mental standpoint, I don't know if I want to subject myself to that

every single game. But that's the difference between this whole mental health movement and just being mentally strong and mentally resilient to take the fact that you're going to play bad, you're going to play good, they're going to fucking love you, they're going to fucking hate you. This is the part of being a professional. I show up regardless if you niggas love me or hate me.

No doubt. It doesn't fucking matter. Because at the end of the day, I know now that when you play good, they love you. When you play bad, they hate you. You know what you got to do? Play fucking good. You got to play fucking good. As much as you want to not have that pressure on you,

if you're worried about what people are saying out there, play fucking good. We saw the same thing last night with the Eagles game. Saquon Barkley, three touchdowns in the first game and a win. Had that huge drop last night. All that other shit don't matter. None of that shit you can go over 10 make the last layup they forget everything everything you can score 20 in a row and then miss the last lay oh get rid of them it's it's but i'd rather be on that stage i'll

rather be on that stage because when you're talking about the Minnesota, you're playing well and nobody knows you. 29-9. Right? So your efforts, you are, what I'm saying is

you are not looked at. Right? There's girls you're better than. But you're saying the team's not being looked at or talked about? The team and the players

that are on there. You got to leave balls. What is she considered in the WN? What ranking? Probably top five. Is she a top five? Because we can tell you where her

jersey sales are and her all-star ranking is. At her position, I would say she's top ten. At her position. I would say she's top ten. Top ten. At her position. Okay.

Right? In the league itself. But when you're talking about Minnesota, oh, no, people absolutely talk about Nafisa Collier. Yeah. Is her jersey selling

more than Boston? Yeah. Not Boston. But she's right underneath because she's an MVP candidate. Who? Nafisa Collier. I know, but when it comes to jerseys, they're like... And Minnesota's selling. But she's right underneath because she's an MVP candidate. Who? Melissa. I know, but when it comes to Jersey, it's still like...

And Minnesota is selling. But what I'm saying is it shouldn't even be on the same planet, though, right? Right, right. And the fact that... Wait, who shouldn't? You're saying Aaliyah shouldn't be on the same planet as Nafisa? Yeah. Because of her credentials.

Because of her credentials. Rookie of the Year, number one pick, playing well. It should be here. I don't know if I agree with that. No, I'm saying... You're saying Aaliyah's... Should be here. ...shouldn't be on the same level as Nafisa?

Uh-huh. Yeah, Nafisa should be here, right? MVP candidate. And it's Minnesota. I know it's Minnesota. But you're talking about as far as jersey sales? Just period. Yeah, everything. Right? It's that big market. That's what I'm saying. But you're talking about as far as jersey sales? Just period.

Yeah, everything. It's that big market. That's what I'm saying. If you're not in a big market, in a small market, your numbers get... You don't really feel the love. Well, they're both in small markets. They turned Indiana into a big market. It's a big market now.

But I think with Aaliyah, though, it's also... I go back to college. South Carolina is... They're everywhere. So they're going to support Aaliyah. They're going to support anybody that went to South Carolina. She already got the statue in South Carolina. No, but I'm saying South Carolina is going to support their players, period.

So, Cher, you talked about, obviously, the fever struggling early in the season, but let's talk about what's happened lately. Been one of the hottest teams in the W post-Olympic break, I believe nine and four in that span. Kaitlin Clark, huge reason for that success. So, set the WNBA single-season assist record, kept adding to her record-breaking season on Sunday, dropping a career-high 35 points in a win over the Dallas Wings to set the WNBA single season scoring record for

a rookie, surpassing Simone Augusta's previous record. So we've got to add context. Clark has 761 points in 39 games. Augusta set the previous record of 744 points in 2006, when the WNBA season was only 34 games. But for the season, Kaitlyn Clark's averaging 20 points, league-leading 8 assists, 6 rebounds, 1.3 steals,

and has the Fever back in the playoff for the first time since 2016. So are you surprised by Kaitlyn Clark and the Fever's improvement since the Olympic break? Since the Olympic break? Or do they need that rest? No, no doubt. I think

and so I've talked about this with some other people. I felt like the Olympic break helped the Indiana fever more than any other team. And I felt like the Olympic break really hurt Chicago.

Because I thought before the break, Indiana was playing well, Chicago was playing well, and granted, there have been injuries and things like that. But since the Olympic break, this Indiana Fever team, to me, is a completely different team. And I don't know if people really understand how much, like, rest plays a part of that. Because when you look at Kaitlyn, she went from playing in college, playing in the Final Four, going to the draft,

going to training camp, season starts, and the Fever are playing, I don't know how many games they played just in a row. But what I've seen from this team, it's not just about one player, but their ability to really gel together

and their chemistry right now is, like, they look like they've been playing together for years. And I do think what, to me, what Caitlyn's been able to do in a short period of time has been very impressive, right? And so, because I know people are like, oh, my God, you said she wouldn't be good. But I didn't say she wouldn't be good.

What I said was I didn't think Caitlyn or Angel would come into the league and dominate immediately, which I don't think either of them did. But I will say... You weren't the only one who said that. So I think a lot of people felt that way. You talked to a lot of players in the W. It's like, look, it's hard for rookies to make that transition from college to the W.

Gino said it, too. You know, Arianna said it. And, you know, it's unfortunate. But you said it. But you're saying it. Dominate, right? When we're talking about Kaitlyn, we're talking about when she said dominate, when we're saying dominate, we're thinking what she does in college. Score the ball. She's dominated college, we're thinking what she does in college. Score the ball.

She's dominated college. No, she dominated in college. She dominated. So when she says you won't come here and dominate off the rip, averaging 17 is not dominating compared to averaging 30-something for four straight years. But that was also like the first half of the season. I feel

like after the break, I still don't think she's dominating, but she's a different player than she was in the first half of the season. And I think because of her adjustment and her ability to play first half of the season, you have a break. And it was great that the Olympics was this year, right, that she came into the league. You had a break, had an opportunity to work on your game, do whatever it was she did, but also an opportunity to practice with your teammates.

And, like, I've never questioned if Kaitlyn was a good player. No. I think she's a hell of a player. And my thing was, no, I didn't think she would come in and dominate. I thought it would take her some time to adjust to being a professional. And to me, I think that's exactly what she's done. And her teammates have, like, they too have taken their game to a whole other level.

I think that's what has made this Indiana Fever team a hell of a team post-Olympic race. Yeah. You know what I think that's what has made this Indiana Fever team a hell of a team post-Olympic race. Yeah. You know what I think? I think leading the WNBA in assists is dominating. You think so? I do. Why?

Because she's a rookie. She's never been in this atmosphere. But also leading in turnovers, too. Yeah, I was going to mention that. I was going to get into all of that. But those turnovers are not really her turnovers. And that's why I was going to get into it. So the domination, you talk about her already leading the W in assists,

and a lot of the assists that she could have gotten were now turnovers. Because they're either, you know... You can say that about every player. Of course Because they're either, you know. You can throw the bat at every player. Of course. But this is obvious with her. She's throwing pitcher heads, wide open layups. They're smoking them. These are, this could be 13 a game.

This could be 14 a game. Like, they're literally just dropping passes. And she's making a lot of mistakes as a point guard, as a rookie. She makes a lot of mistakes. See, the problem with this statement, and it's easy to come at you when she's successful, right? For sure.

For sure. If we had a number, if we would have said, when we're talking about dominating with Kaitlyn Clark, what would those numbers have, what would the numbers? It would have been a scoring number. Exactly.

Because of that high clip, shooting it. That's what she did. Do you consider 20 points per game? So you don't consider 20 points per game? So if her stats, when we're saying she won't do this in the W, she averaged 31.6, 7.4 rebounds, 9 assists. Right? Did anyone expect her to do that in WVU?

Those three, no. Right? So she didn't do that. No. Now if we say her stats are today, what? 20 points, 8.4 assists, 6 rebounds. That's crazy. That's crazy.

Those are a hell of a number. Those are a hell of a number. But to me, that's not dominating. It's only not dominating because she's a rookie. Now, if she's putting up numbers like Asia right now, would she be dominating? Yes. So it's about the numbers.

I don't look at the dominating factor being numbers. It's what you're doing on the floor. And those numbers would change if the factors on the floor changes. If you make that layup, the stats change. If you swing swing, I get a layup, stats change. These are factors on the floor that we don't get to see because we're glorifying the stack when we talk about dominating. And you look at the passing, like, that's an obvious thing. And Alyssa Thomas is probably the only one that could be like yo I'm I'm the pastor yeah but you I'm the dominating

say that when when everybody else that's they they're quick to throw stats right it's like oh well this is what she did like somebody's like oh Cheryl Supes only scored 34 points in the WNBA. Kaitlyn scored 35. So you can't use stats when it benefits you. But I only use the play of the game. Like, you can say stats, and if you didn't watch the game, you're only going on what they're telling you this person scored. But if you watch the game, you're like, that person should have had 42. That person should have had 22 assists.

But I watched the game. Most people are only looking at the highlights. Especially for Kaitlyn. When you really watch Kaitlyn play, you're like, damn, man. She could have had this. She could have had that. She could have been more aggressive. She's not reading the floor well. For sure, you can do that for every single player that plays the game.

I know, but I'm doing it for the rookie because she came in with an expectation. Everybody else didn't come in with an expectation to even analyze their game. So if we want to say whether or not Caitlyn is dominating or not, we have to actually look at the totality of her game and not just the highlights. No, but what I'm saying is it's... When we're talking about that,

like, no rookie is in dominating form. When we say dominating, you go through history and say, well, Candice Parker dominated her rookie year. Yeah. Cap. You don't feel that. She was great her rookie year. She was better than expected her rookie year. But if you take her rookie year compared to her dominating year, is it?

Can we say this? Can we say this? If you were the MVP, you wouldn't say that she dominated? Yes. So her best year was her dominating year, is it? Can we say this? But if you were the MVP, you wouldn't say that she dominated? Yes. So her best year was her rookie year? I'm not saying it was her best year, but if I come in as a rookie, I'm the most valuable. Was it her best year?

But if I'm the most valuable player in the league, how can you say I didn't dominate the league that year? Is it your best year? No. Your best year is your most dominating year, right? But why can't I have five dominating years? You could. Shaq.

I mean, I think it's different. Rookie year was dominating? Dominant versus most dominant, I think it's two different things. But that's what I'm saying. Because we're throwing a blanket on it, right? We're throwing a blanket on it. Let's say this. Dominant as a rookie.

She's more dominant than all of the rookies. But we didn't say we didn't use it in rookie term. Well, because she didn't come in with a statement saying that she's going to be the most dominant rookie. No, my statement was, because everybody was talking, right? My statement was, I don't think, and let me clarify this. I made the statement about both Angel and Caitlyn,

not just Caitlyn. Right. My statement was, I don't think either of them are going to come into the league and dominate immediately, meaning what they did in college. Over all of the players in the W. And the reason why I said it is because you have a player like an Asia Wilson who has

been in this league for a while and gets better every single year. And maybe this was more so for the new fans who never watched the WNBA. So my point being, there is hella talent in this league. It's not going to be as easy as y'all think it's going to be. Right. But also saying, don't put all that pressure on these rookies. And just say Angel and Kaitlyn in particular, because that's who everybody was talking about.

Like, don't put all that pressure on them to feel like they got to come in and do what they did in college. Like, let them get to the league. Let them adjust. Let them understand what it means to be a pro. Well, that's why I say she dominated from the aspect of her peers, which are the other rookies.

I was the most dominant rookie that came in, and I dominated. But if that was explained like that, who was going to was the most dominant rookie that came in, and I dominated. But if that was explained like that, who was going to be the most dominant rookie? Exactly. But it wasn't about the rookies. It was about all the talent in the league. Because she surpassed that.

Now that she's surpassed dominating all the rookies, she's chasing Asia now. But as a number one overall pick, is that expected when you come into the W? When the word dominating came out, it was basically for me. Is she going to be doing what she does in college as a rookie? No. Is she going to be doing that at some point?

Probably. Right? Because eventually the skill set turns over. Absolutely. So if this is her rookie year, she only gets better. No doubt. You know what I mean? Without question.

So at some point, she's averaging 20, you know, whatever. Is there going to be a point in time where she averages 28 and 9? Yeah. Should be. Here's a good question. No, it shouldn't be. It should be, yes. And that's when you say dominating.

Here's a good question then. What guard, other than Kaitlyn, is dominating the league right now? Dominating? Guard. I don't know if there is a guard. You got to compare to what they do, Alyssa. I'm just saying guard. Alyssa is a four.

So here's what I would tell you. You're saying right now. I would also say this. Kelsey Mitchell is pretty good. Right there. That's why I'm asking. Yeah. So you got Arike.

Arike. You got Kelsey. Kelsey. You got Kennedy. I love Kennedy. Arike. Probably Arike. Arike, for sure.

But we have to... Dominating has to be what your attributes are, right? Right? I'm dominating at what I'm good at. What are you good at? My thing is... And Kaitlyn's not dominating at what she's good at yet. The player that's dominating is Aja Wilson.

You're talking guards. I know. But so I'm saying I don't know if there is a guard that's dominating. But you say Kelsey Mitchell. Kelsey's shooting 47% from the field, 40% from three. She's dominating. But we'll say Eureka. Kelsey Mitchell is, yes.

Her field goal percentage is double. No, but we'll say for her skill, Eureka, right? She's, like, you know, like, she's supposed to average 20. Like, she's dominating. We know what we've seen from caitlyn and we know the assist is there yet she hasn't like the second half of the season the 28 the 35s she's

starting to fill it yes next year and her third year her third year we should expect brilliant basketball because the game she didn't figure out. This year is still a learning. But it also, I agree with that. But it also depends on the players that are around her. How great she can be. Because I feel like the second half of the season, like those 19 assists, which are crazy numbers,

and you're saying, yeah, it could have been more, agree. But if you don't have players around you that can score the basketball, you're not going to get 19 assists. Kelsey Mitchell has been incredible since Olympic break. Lexi Hall, once Christy decided to pull Lexi from the end of the bench and put her in the game, has changed the team, right?

Aaliyah Boston. So, yes, I think, to your point, her next year, she'll get better. Her third year, she's going to be even better than this year, which is expected. My question to you is this. So if you're the number one draft pick, right? Aaliyah Boston, number one draft pick last year, went to Indiana. There are expectations for her to be great, right?

She's the number one draft pick for a reason. And everybody wants to compare Kaitlyn to Angel, which, to me, I hate because they're two totally different players. Angel Reese was drafted number seven to Chicago. Not a lot of expectations.

People were like... Slipped in the draft. She slipped in the draft. She couldn't score in college. All of that. There was no way I thought Angel was going to come into the league and be dominant, which she wasn't. But Angel's game, her offensive game, everybody knows this,

has never been, it wasn't even that great in college. Right? So, yes, she has to work on that. There are things Kaitlyn has to work on. My question to you is, not necessarily where do you rank Angel, but Angel's averaging a double-double, rebounds. To me, one of the best rebounders I've ever seen in the game. And people want to talk about they're her own misses,

which I don't agree with that. But if they are, box her ass out and rebound. Yeah, true. It doesn't matter. So if you don't want her to get it, box her out. So she's averaging a double-double. And as the number seven pick, I don't really think people expected that. So do you consider her dominating?

Yes. No. Yes, I do. Why? Because you look at the dynamic of how you can change the game when you come into the game and how no one has an answer for the things you're doing to change the game. Angel proved that she can come in the game and change the dynamic and shift the game due to her rebounding,

her knack for understanding where to be and how to fucking do it. And she did it at a rate where she could average 15, 16 boards a game easy. Okay. So I look at 13.1. So I'm looking at Caitlyn, right? And we say, the reason I forged the question of dominance between guards is because she's giving you 20 and 9. Mm-hmm.

Right? There's no other guard giving you those aspects. So when we talk Joker, remember how we talked Joker? We have to take away his assists for it to be a conversation amongst other bigs because he has a dynamic that separates him. Okay. And it offers points. It offers camaraderie.

It offers team confidence because I'm passing. Kaitlyn Clark dominated her rookie year because she brung points and she brung assists and she brought wins. See, why do you keep using rookie year? Because she's never been here before. She has no experience. I know, but what I'm saying so do you think this is the best she can be? No, I'm just saying this year she dominated amongst the people that didn't think

that she could. She gave you points and she gave you an assist. So you tell me the other guards, Arike, Kelsey, all these other guards that you can name up and line up the fire. I can't compare two. It's like me comparing Allen Iverson with Mark Jackson. If all the guards are like Mark Jackson and then Allen Iverson come in, I can't compare.

They're two different breeds. But Mark Jackson is not giving you 20 and 10. Because he can't physically do it. Right. But you can't say Mark Jackson versus Allen Iverson. This is a different breed of a, this is a new breed that's coming in. Right? This is just the beginning.

So if I say she's dominant, I know what you're capable of. But you're comparing it. I'm not even going to pretend. Because the dominant part. I know you are a 30 and 10, 12 person. So I'm not even going to pretend. I know you are a 30 in 10, 12 person. So I'm not even going to say you're dominant. I know what you're capable of. Like, when Kobe had Shaq, we all knew.

We all knew. When Shaq left, what did we say? Oh, this motherfucker's about to dominate. No. Yes, we did. Kobe Bryant was the most dominant. When KD left, when KD. He was the most dominant two guard during the three-peat to guard during the three feet and then what what then what?

Didn't we see what dominance really looked like when Shaq left? Yes. This is dominant that other shit was oh you were really good This is dominating 81 16 3 this was a diamond. They had when he left We who voted someone wrote. Oh shit This was a domination. They had two dominating players. When Katie left, we, who wrote it? Someone wrote, oh, shit, Russell might average a triple-double. Didn't someone, there was a player who said that. I don't know what player. There was a player. When Katie left, someone said, oh, Russell might fuck around and average a triple-double this year. No one believed it.

I remember. Someone seen, like, we know what his potential is. Caitlyn's potential is 30. Guaranteed. No doubt. When that happens, that is her dominant year. No. No.

Reese. No. No, bro. Austin Rivers. No. You can't equate dominance just to points. No. No.

I have a question. Because the 30 and 12, that's going to be 30, 12, and she's going to have eight rebounds. Yeah. That's going to be, that's what her potential is. Yeah. No, I get that. But and she's going to have 8 rebounds. That's what her potential is. No, I get that, but what she's doing right now is still dumb. She's still doing 19 assists and not dominating. Yes.

But she's not averaging 19 assists. She's averaging 10. What I'm saying is Angel Reese 20 points and 8.4 assists. 19.5 points and 8.4 assists. 9 assists. Angel Reese dominating this assists. Angel Reese dominating this year? Angel Reese dominating this year? No.

No, this is not a dominating. No, she's not. This is a baby. She's a baby right now. But for all you have to say, we're not talking about where she's going to go in the future. It doesn't even make sense. How can it not be? What record does she have?

If she has no expectation. What record does she have? And then she comes in and she leads the league. Consecutive double-doubles record and then a rebounding record. Say it again. Consecutive double-doubles and the rebounding record. Next year, she's going to break that. But that's already a dominant record right now.

No, no, no. She dominated the rebounding. The problem is she dominated it, but we know that's the bottom line of it. Yes, but we can't say it's not a dominant. She's going to push it again. Both of them dominated. All we can do is sit here right now, September 17th, and say what it is right now.

We can't say. She dominated. She dominated. Now we can go back to this. They both have really good rookie. If we take away that. They both led in the categories they're good at. No, no, no.

Doesn't make them dominant. They dominated the year. They ended at the top. If we take away their expectations, if we take away their expectations and say, we didn't expect anything from them because we never seen them play,

okay, they dominated. They dominated. They dominated as rookies. But that was the expectation she set up. No, her expectation was 30. No, no, no. Her expectation came in saying, you guys are not

going to come in here and dominate like you think. That's her saying, listen, whatever your expectation is for this stuff, it's going to be more difficult. I said dominate immediately.

Immediately, yeah. So regardless, the expectation, and they didn't. They didn't. But the expectation was set. It was set. That, hey, look,

we're not expecting y'all to come in here and dominate. We're not expecting you to come in here and dominate. But the thing is, I think a lot of people treated that as you trying to bash Angel and Kaylin instead of just pointing out that the W has great players. Yes, it's tough. You know what I mean? I think that's the...

It should have been the bottom line. That's just crazy. It should have been the bottom line of what the expectation was. Okay, but I have a question. I have a question for Rashard. So given, like, you're like, yeah, they both dominate. What, what, how do you look at it?

If you're giving up or you're giving out eight assists per game, yeah, she's had several double-digit assists. But you got turnovers, right? You're leading in turnovers. I get it. She's a rookie. It happens. She'll get better.

But do you factor in what she's giving up on the defensive end? Yes. You do? Yes. And you still say she dominated? No. That's the thing that fights against her. The thing that overweighs that is the winning.

Okay. So the dominating factor of me being a point guard, I have to now point, I have to score, and I have to distribute. And during those distributions, I'm turning it over. Great. But guess what we're doing? We're winning.

We're winning. Okay, so since we know LeBron's career, rookie 25 and 5, was that considered dominating? You wouldn't say that that was a dominant rookie season for LeBron? See, again, you said it now, rookie season. You're adding rookie season. Yes. Rookie season, yes. Yes. That's the conversation. If we were having this conversation in 2004, that's all we You said it now. Rookie season. You're adding rookie season. Yes. I said rookie season, yes.

Yes. If we were having this conversation in 2004, that's all we would basically. Yes. That's all we would talk about. Now we have a full 20-season sample. But see, you're capitalizing on rookie season. I didn't say it was the most dominant. We did say it was the most dominant. No, what I'm saying is the statement was dominating.

The league. The league, not a rookie. I didn't say she's not going to dominate. As a rookie. Well, y'all are leaving out the context that she is a rookie, so you only can say as a rookie. She's a rookie, so if she comes in and dominates, now you have to say, as a rookie, she dominated.

But you said, yeah, she dominated all rookies. But I never said she's not going to come in and dominate immediately over all the rookies. But the key word to me in all of this is dominate, regardless of rookie or whatever. They dominate. So was 25-5 by LeBron dominating the NBA? Yes, because Melo had the same thing. But was he considered dominating? Both of them dominated.

So if we go through the stats and we look at everybody's stats, we're going to point those out as dominating stats. Amongst the rookies. No, you're going to use rookie because you got to add rookie to make it make sense. But that wasn't the statement. The statement wasn't among rookies because if we said rookies, she would have probably said yes. We would all say yes. But what was the discourse

about LeBron coming from high school to the NBA? He wasn't going to dominate. But no one called it in right away and beat the guy. No one called it dominating. No one that was top tier three, four, five, six, seven years in is not going to call it dominating. But the motherfuckers who are watching who've never seen LeBron play in the NBA, they're going to say, that boy came in and he's doing everything they said he was going to do.

But didn't make an all-star game, didn't make an All-NBA team. You talk about Kalen and Angel. But the real basketball player said, yeah, we in trouble. We know when he finds his rhythm, he's going to take over this motherfucker. Because he's dominating now. He's good now. Because he's dominating now. He's good now.

He's not dominating. He's dominating the rookies, though. Michael Jordan's rookie. Because he's dominating now. He's good now. He's not dominating. He's dominating the rookies, though. Michael Jordan's rookie year, he averaged 28. Dominating. Come on. How's that different, bro? You just upped the numbers. You just upped the numbers to say that the numbers are high. 28. Dominating. So

13 rebounds is not dominating? 13 rebounds a game for Angel Reese is not dominating? When Jordan came a game for Angel Reese is not dominating? When Jordan came in the game, right, he was second or third in scoring. In the league. Third or second in scoring. Right? So you can say, well, he's not. Caitlin's number one in assists in the league.

But he's just a scorer. So what? What does that matter? He's still the leader in assists. So what is her first ability? Passing. Which is what she's leading in. Passing.

Passing. No, we're lying. Passing. You're lying. Passing. She passes first, Gilbert. She shoots because she can pass. She does not pass first.

She's a traditional point guard first. She does not pass first. She's a traditional point guard first. She does not pass first. Okay, let's just make it sense. Rashard, no. When Jordan came in, averaged 28. His third year, he averaged 35, right? Then 37. Those became dominant.

Kalen Clark is averaging 20. We all, stop lying to yourself. We all said, this is probably the worst her offense is going to be, right? No. She's going to be worse than this? We're just not talking about the shooting. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. I'm not talking about the scoring. Her assist is going to be her assist. Do you think she's going to be a better scorer

next year and the year after? Yes. Do you? Okay. Thank you. Jesus Christ. So this is the bottom end of her scoring. Same thing with Angel Reese. We know, most likely, Angel Reese, this is the bottom end of her scoring. She's going to get better scoring know, most likely, Angel Reese, this is the bottom end of her scoring. She's gonna get better scoring, and she's gonna get better rebounds. There might be a year where she averages

15 and 15. Yeah. Dominating. There might be a year where she might fuck around and surprise us all and average 20 points. Is it okay? We don't put 20 points on her, but she might average 20 points one year, and it might be 20 and 17. Dominating. Is it okay for us to

have different definitions of dominating? No. We gotta have your definition. We gotta have your definition. So we gotta go with yours. So do we have to go with your definition? No, no. Whatever the word... That's what it sounds like, Gilbert.

It sounds like you're making the rules. Whatever the definition of dominance is, that's the definition word what it sounds like Gilbert. It sounds like That's the definition so see the I change it So if I'm at the top of my category your category if I'm at the top of your category of my category What is the deciding factor whether I'm dominating her because is that your skill, bro? What the fuck does that have to do with me being at the top, dominating at this category? That's not true. Regardless if my skill is fucking guitar and I'm over here fucking drumming. If I'm killing in the fucking drums, this ain't my skill.

I'm dominating in this now. Question for you. I'm a good drummer and a good guitarist. Question for you. I dominate this shit. I'm good at both. Okay, question for you. I dominate this shit. I'm good at both. Okay, question for you. As a number one draft pick...

You make it sound like someone's hating me because you don't want to listen. No, I'm not. You keep saying... We know she averages nine assists. I'm just saying she's dominating. I'm not saying nobody's hating. I'm just saying she's dominating.

We're both saying the same thing. You just saying it down the line. No, this is the bottom end of her scoring. Right. We know this mother, we know she's going to turn it up. She's going to the moon. When she turns it up, that's when I'm like, this mother is dominating. That's when you saying that.

That's when she's dominating. I'm saying it right now. That's the difference between us. That means you don't have no expectation then. That's why she's dominating, my nigga. Because you don't have no expectation then. That's why she's dominating, my nigga. Because you don't have no expectation? She's dominating because I... But before the start of the season,

if I said, Cheryl, Angel Reese is going to break the rebounding record and Kaitlyn Clark is going to break the assist record, that would be a far stretch in the reach of what was going to happen. No, because you can't say that because you didn't do that. But I'm just saying,

if I would have came in and said that, hey, Angel Reese is going to have the most reb came in and said that, that was the narrative. Andrew Reese is going to have the most rebounds in a single season in WNBA history. And I said that back in April. If you would have said that back in and said, both of them would have dominated. She would have led in rebounding.

We could have put the thought to say. He didn't say dominate. If I said she's going to set the rebound. If you would have said it like that, I probably would have been like, okay, well, let me think what that record is. I wouldn't have said it because I wouldn't have thought that it would happen. But what I'm just I'm upset if I said she's gonna set the reason I probably would have been like okay well let me think what that record is I wouldn't have said it because I wouldn't have thought that it would happen but what I'm saying I'm just being real but no no no because nobody put it out there like that no one asked the question we didn't have expectations no what I'm saying is do you think Reese would uh break the the rebounding record as a rookie right and then we would have said

okay what is the rebounding record then would rookie, right? And then we would have said, okay, what is the rebounding record? Then we would have said, oh, she has to average this. I would have said, hell no. We don't know. I would have said there's no way to do that. If we would have said, Kaitlyn Clark leading the league in scoring, I mean, in assists, we'd have to go back and say, I don't know. With 18 in the league, I would have said, oh, come on.

We would have had a definite. We wouldn't have had a definite... We have a tweet. Carrington said, hey, listen. Listen up, ladies. Who? Carrington. A timeout. No, no, no, no, no.

Make sure you get the tweet right. She might lead the league. That ain't what she said. That ain't what she said. What did she say? Ailyn Clark just might lead the league. That ain't what she said. So that wasn't an...

Timeout. That wasn't an... That means she's seen this coming then. A passing. But that's not what she said. So that wasn't an... That wasn't an... That means she's seen this coming then. A passing. But that's not what she said. What'd she say? So first of all, you have to understand,

Dejanay and Alyssa Thomas are teammates. So Alyssa Thomas led the league in assists last year. Dejanay, in a jokingly manner, said only to A.T. To Alyssa Thomas. I have it. She didn't say that to the league. You said she said, listen up, ladies.

You know you gotta be correct on this. She tweeted, Caitlyn might lead the league in assists this year. It's Twitter space, and the ladies are Twitter. Because I need to respond to this. I'm saying that the ladies are Twitter. Yes, she tweeted to AT, Caitlyn might break your

assists record this year. AT responded, and said, to AT. Caitlyn might break your assist record this year. But she didn't. AT responded. AT responded. And said, Nay, don't play with me. So let's keep going. So then I put laughing faces to what AT said.

Because I was laughing at Alyssa Thomas being like, Nay, don't play with me. This is my shit. Yeah, she's like, Nay, don't play with me. This is what I do. But what's wrong with that, though? No, no, no. This is my shit. Yeah, she's like, nay, don't play with me. This is what I do. But what's wrong with that, though? No, no, no. This is Deanna saying that Caitlyn...

But what's wrong with that? This is what Deanna's saying, that Caitlyn might just lead the league in assists. She's saying, listen, this girl is really like that and she might do this. Okay, yes.

So that means the expectation of her passing very well, somebody's seen it. Two, three people have seen it. But there's nobody, nobody was expecting her to average 30, right? Because nobody put, see, no one put numbers on it.

Well, somebody would have tweeted that and be like, well, you're wrong. Like, obviously, she didn't average 30, she averaged 19.5. And then, but nobody on the other side is going to be like, yeah, like, this is magic. Nobody's going to say the average of 19 is a bad thing. But that's why, because no one put any numbers on it.

Everyone kind of, like, now everyone's definition is skewed. I think year three, she's going to be at 27 and 10, 27 and 10. And I'm going to be like, oh, she's dominating now. Right? We know what fucking dominating means. Right now, very good. Right? She's dominating now. We know what fucking dominating means. Right now, very good. She's very good. She is on, we call it, goat status.

She's moving in that direction of one day being in that category. Yes, we can see the trajectory now. Angel, next year, 13 and 15, 13. That's fucking possible. Can I ask you a question then? She's going to break her own record. You know why? Because she has a record now, and she's missed the last, what, six, seven games?

So she's done gave herself some wiggle room to keep breaking her record every year. Is Kaylin Clark the best rookie? I'm sorry, but not just the rebound. Not even close. Kaylin Clark's not the best rookie? Yes. That's what I'm saying. At least she's the best rookie. I'm sorry, but not just the rebound. Not even close. Kaylin Clark's not the best rookie? Yes. That's what I'm saying. She's the best rookie, right?

This year, yes. She's the best rookie. Not even close, but it's not even close. It was never close. I have a question for you. It was close. Question for you, Cheryl. I think it was close in the beginning.

Who wanted it to be? No, to me it was. So three WNBA MVPs in your career, would you consider each of those three seasons as dominant seasons for yourself? No. Okay. See, we need perspective in life.

No. You were the best player in the W, but you don't think... But I don't think I dominated. Who dominated? I thought... Oh, I don't know. And the time that you was playing, No, but I'm just saying I don't know.

You think you were the dominant player. I don't know if I dominated. I played very well. And I played very well on both sides of the ball. But I scored, I rebounded, I defended. But to me, you can win MVP and not be dominant. So being number one in your category doesn't mean that you're dominating the category. If you're number one in points for the league, if you're number one in points,

are you dominating the league because you're averaging 30? Or are you just putting up? What year did Kobe dominate? When he was like, this is the most dominant motherfucker in the league, and he's dominating. What year? Probably 06. What was his stats, what year? Probably 06. What was the stats 06? 35 a game.

Okay. Dominating. Aja Wilson this year, what do we say? Because here's my thing to me. But the 35 wasn't the reason why he dominated. But what I'm saying this year. It was the consecutive points back to back to 40, the whole month of. And we know these.

But we know Kaitlyn's not there yet. We know what's coming, right? So that's why I don't want to put... I don't want to put dominating on her right now because I know what dominating's going to look like when she gets into her shit. Because it's tier levels to dominance, though. That's what I'm trying to explain to you.

That her tier level is here at the base level. She's base level dominance. She's going to emerge as she goes. So now she's on ground floor level where I came in with all my peers.

Oh, all y'all rookies in here? Y'all ain't on my level. Hey, Angel, you can step up. You're probably the closest one. Okay. Me and you are going to go to the next level. We get to take the elevator up.

But I don't know... I don't know if, like, yes, I think they both maybe exceeded expectations. Yes. But I don't think they dominated, right? I don't think, sorry, but you're also saying that Angel's probably the closest thing to Caitlyn,

however you want to look at that. Just as far as... Rookie of the year voting. Rookie of the year voting. Rookie of the year voting. She's second, regardless of what anybody can say. She should be. If Caitlyn's number one,

she should be number two. But I will throw in Rekia Jackson. That's 100%. 100% for sure. He's been balling. If Kurt Miller plays Rekia Jackson in the beginning of the season, like he's playing her now,

Rekia Jackson, to me, is in that conversation. She's an anomaly. She's an anomaly. Yeah. She's got Jackson, to me, is in that conversation. She's an anomaly. She's an anomaly. Yeah. She's got that. Without question. She's got it.

She's got it. Okay. From how you're saying it, yes. In the sense of some people's talents, right? If this was another player, that ceiling wasn't high, they would be considered dominant. Because they ain't got no ceiling. I shouldn't be penalizing her because I think she has,

like, because Asia has, there's these, you know what I mean? With her talent, there's ten levels of dominance. Facts. And we're seeing one. Yes. Next year, she might even tap into another set because that levels of dominance. Facts. And we're seeing one. Yes. Next year, she might even tap into another set because that's her trajectory. Facts.

Kaitlyn Clark's dominance has more floors than Angel Reese. Right? We can say that. Can we say right now that Angel Reese will ever be on the Asia Wilson type of dominance? We can say no because we know her scoring is not a natural thing like that. So we don't ever see her averaging 27 points a game.

Bullshit. You think she's going to average 27 points a game? I think she could. First, when... She's a rookie. When Asia first came into the league, Asia wasn't scoring like that. No, no, was hers.

In college, was she a scorer? Asia was a scorer. But so... So, yeah, I don't... I get what he's saying, but will she average 27 a game? I don't know. I do see her averaging in the 20s. Getting better.

Yeah, you see her getting better. Yeah, like, she needs to get in the gym. And to me, the thing with Angel, though, is she recognizes that. Like, she understands that. You know what I like about her? What I do like about her skills, she understands what she does and what she doesn't do. She's not going out there saying,

I'm going to try to average 20 points a game. She knows I'm trying to get my rebounds, outlet, do my job, block, protect, hustle. She does what she does very well, and she doesn't try to conform to say, you are the score, I'm going to pick for you, and I'm going to clean everything up. Yeah.

Right? And hopefully one day they don't try to ruin her trajectory by putting her into a category that she's not. Right? Next year she's going to a category that she's not. Right? Next year, she's going to average a double-double. The following year, like, she's already set the tone for what she's going to be. Her averaging a double-double, to me, is going to happen every season. Yeah.

It's easy. It's easy. Yeah. She works that hard. Yeah. Right? And once her offensive game catches up to the hard work and just her resiliency. She just plays hard.

Once she gets in the gym and she's working on that, she gets some post moves. I definitely think she can average 20 points a game. I think that. I don't know if that will happen next year, but in the next couple of years. I think so. Talents like this is like Luca, right? Luca's first year, but in the next couple of years... It's usually, like, talents like this is like

Luka, right? Luka's first year, great. Second year, we didn't see this, right? This is a whole different beast of a guy, right? There's people that we, like, okay, they're going to be dominant. Like, their first year

they're good. Their second year, they're already, like, pushing the envelope. But Luka's not in his prime where he's... This is easy work for him. Yeah, for sure. He's dominating. He's dominating, but it's easy. So he can go a whole other way.

I think sometimes when we say dominance, we're looking... So Kaitlyn's averaging 19.5 points, 8.4 assists i believe 5.7 rebounds 19.5 asia wilson her rookie year averaged 21 points eight rebounds and people would have been like that's dominant dominant but we finished seventh and we see what dominance has been i'm i'm allowing the the growth yeah we're but we i'm saying most dominant but i like and i'm and i'm saying dominant as a rookie yeah i'm saying dominant as a rookie as a rookie you're dominant but but can

we say is this even the best dominant no but i don't think i don't think that's well is this the most dominant rookie caesar no at this point it has to be candace parker we've done we do that too much where you got someone coming in being dominant and then we have to compare them to the last person who was dominant. And then compare that dominance and say, well, Candice was a little bit more. Just because, like, well, they're both still dominant, right? At the end of the day, they're both still dominant. But she was just more dominant. What's so funny is Candice's stats, her rookie season where she won an MVP,

was better than the year she won an MVP again. That's crazy. That's crazy. It was 18-5. That's crazy. That's crazy. It was 18-5. That's crazy. That's 19 a game? She was at 19 a game. If I go to the Olympics, I win the 100 meters, I don't set the world record,

I was still the most dominant amongst that field. Maybe not all-time historically, but I'm still getting that whole myth. And that's the thing. It's the all-time historically. The Shaq, like, you think Shaq dominant? She's like, ain't nobody stopped Shaq for six years. But then you don't look at that seven, eight, nine years. Like, well, why did Shaq stop being dominant?

Yeah. That's why, Cheryl, even with your three MVPs, one of those years was the most dominant of those three. But even hearing you say, I don't feel like, but you were literally the best player in this. Because I think you can be the best player and not be the most dominant. Yeah.

As crazy as it may sound, I do. Well, that's like the gold debate with Shaq. I got to disagree. Some people confuse the, like James Harden, right? The year he averaged 36, he was dominant. Yes. Win a MVP or not win a MVP. How he played the game,

how he was running off damn near 40 straight games or 20 plus, he was dominant. The game was too easy for him. Right? I know.

Luka, too easy. MB, they're, it doesn't have nothing to do with winning or losing. They're dominant. Them individuals is dominant. Kalen, it doesn't have nothing to do with winning or losing. They're dominant. Them individuals is dominant. Caitlyn and them is not there yet.

But remember the conversation. But you're saying you disagree. And the reason why I say that is because, I don't have it in front of me, but, like, I wasn't the leading scorer. So, according to you, if you're the leading scorer, that means you're the most dominant player. According to him. According to him.

No, you said that. No, I said whatever your number one is. You're saying whatever your skill set is. No, because you said Angel's the leading rebounder, so she dominated. Dominated rebounding, right? Statistically, she rebounded, not the points. Same difference. No, because we only use points.

Okay, so I wasn't the leading rebounder. I'm saying i wasn't the leading rebounder the year i won mvp right which means someone else is a leading rebounder which means if you watch the game which i said originally if i'm watching the game i can tell you who's dominant without stats i can watch cheryl swoops play for 40 minutes and say she's the most dominant player on the court she can get a shot whenever she wants she can get somebody open whenever she wants to get a rebound she do most dominant player on the court. She can get a shot whenever she wants. She can get somebody open whenever she wants. She can get a rebound. She can do whatever she wants on the floor, no problem. Conversation we had about Joker, when we asked about,

is Joker just as dominant as Shaq, right? And our conversation went to the left because we had to take out his assist because Shaq didn't have that. We're comparing him to Shaq. So the dominance of Joker is always going to be belittled because he does other things that aren't exciting, like passing the ball. And he's not dunking on niggas.

He's not, ooh, poo. We'll look at Joker and be like, was he the most dominant guy in the playoffs? And we'll be like, well, if you really look at it statistically. If you don't look at it like, if you don't. I think dominance sometimes, when it comes to, So we'd be like, well, if you really look at it statistically. I guess if you don't look at, like, if you don't. I think dominance sometimes when it comes to, when we look at it from the hoop side of it,

if we got to look at the stat sheet to see what you did, you didn't dominate. Didn't dominate. You didn't dominate. That's my whole point. I guess sometimes when we look at, like, Angel, when she's playing, we're like, okay, she's dominating. We don't have to go to the stats to say she had 35 in that. We don't really have to do that. So there's nights where.

But to me, that changes every night. It does. Depending on who's on the floor, it's a different player that's dominating that particular game. Yes. My thing was for the whole season. Consistently. For the whole season. You needed them to be consistent.

So the beginning of the season. Yes. So the beginning of the season, yeah, they struggled. But not only that, it was immediately. So to me, when I said immediately, it was from day one. Day one. And again, that was just my opinion. Facts.

And I don't just look at highlights. I watch the games. So no, I didn't think that Caitlyn dominated immediately. No. I didn't think Angel dominated immediately. I agree. I think since the Olympic break, I think Kaitlyn Clark has been a hell of a player every single game.

I think Angel Reese, to me, Angel may have exceeded expectations even more so than Kaitlyn. And the reason why I say that is when you're drafted number one, you're drafted number one for a reason. And when you look at her career in college, Kaitlyn was a great collegiate player. When you look at Angel drafted number seven,

the expectations people had on her were, to me, weren't the same as the player that's drafted number one. She was expected to go two, three, four, like four after like... Yeah. But the fact that she dropped to seven, it drops the expectation. It does. to go two, three, four, like four after like... Yeah. Four. She's still at four. But the fact that she dropped to seven...

It drops the expectation. It does. And also, I know because people are like, yeah, but Caitlyn has Indiana back in the playoffs since 2016, which is huge.

Yes, she does. Caitlyn's a big part of that. Every single other player on there is a part of that, too. And so when I look at Chicago, Chicago, they have a completely different team. They have a brand new coach who's never coached in the WNBA.

They lost Kalia Copper. Shit, I can't even think of that roster. But Kyle was a big part of what Chicago did last year. They have a brand new team. And yet, they're not in the playoffs but they're fighting for that ace spot.

So to me, I think Angel's a big part of that. I think Kennedy Carter's a big part of that. I think Camila Cardoso's a big part of that. So do you, like, do you, with those three moving forward, do you think once those girls understand, because for the most, they're twin towers of rookies, three years from now, that could be a scary... It could be a problem.

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Just a mean word. Of dominance. Dominance. Well, speaking of dominance, Jason Tatum was on the Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon recently to promote his new children's book and was asked to make...

Come again? Mm-hmm. Say that again? His new children's book? He got a children's book. For the kids. Tatum is for the kids. You stupid. If I ever, ever... Yeah again. You got a children's book for the kids. Tatum is for the kids. If I ever, ever...

If I ever come out with a children's book and you buy a used up... We're going to write one. We're going to write one. We're going to write one. Whooping your kid's ass. This is my children. We're going to write the book. There's going to your kid's ass. We're going to write the book.

These soldiers out here. Cat DBT. We're going to write the book, bro. Ten pages. Ten pages. What's the name of his book? It's going to be a bestseller. It's going to be a photo book.

It's going to be a photo book. No words are going to be on it. It's all photos. It's all photos. Like a kid getting his ass booked. Every page. It's going to be our version of the cat in the hat. So, Taylor's book's called

Baby Dunks A Lot. Baby Dunks A Lot. Baby Dunks A Lot. So shout out Jason Tatum. You got to get that. Sound like Sir Mix-A-Lot. I don't know. What kind of...

I don't know, man. Baby got... Baby got buckets. So Tatum on the show was asked to make a finals prediction for this season and had this to say.

Predict which two teams will be in the NBA finals next summer. Ooh. The Boston Celtics. Cap. You're better. Say it! It's going to be a rematch. We're going to play Dallas again. Whoa! Stop it! Say it! Uh, it's gonna be a rematch. We're gonna play Dallas again. Whoa! Stop it!

Shout out Jimmy Fallon. That was not that thrilling of an answer, but Mandy, entertainer. Whoa! He got excited. The two teams from last season. Alright. Now it's time to play a game of Facts or Cap. Gil, you already kinda let the cat out of the bag,

or the cap out of the bag. No, I thought he said Dallas first. But he said Boston. 2025 NBA finals will feature a rematch of the Celtics and Mavs. Facts or cap? Cap. Cap.

What size cap? A regular, like my hat, or the big cap? A regular like my hat or the big cap? A big ass cap. A big ass cap. Like I don't know if that was, no, okay listen. I can't say it's cap, he's capping. I'm pretty sure he would love to keep playing Dallas every fucking year. Right?

I'm pretty sure. Yeah. So this is more wishful thinking. I hope it's them. Yeah. Yeah We're playing them again That's the facts I already smacked I want to see Joker and then I want to see LeBron. Oh, hey Boston baby. I ain't cheering for you niggas They out the championship game. Rashad, you have since moved on

from your Celtics allegiance. We New York Nicking. Dang! Like I think Boston They didn't meet his demands. I got to stay fresh on this market. I think Boston can get back for sure. They have the high probability. Dallas?

Dallas actually has, I think, a better chance than Boston. Yeah. Wow. They have a better... Question. When you say you think Boston has a good shot, do you think everything that happened in the Olympics, right, and Jalen Brown not being on on the team like all of that do you think that's going to

affect their chemistry locker room all of that see i think some somewhat of delusion is part of the the jaylen brown situation beef before he won the awards does he think he would have been on that team? Probably not. You don't think Jalen Brown thought he would? I don't think Jalen Brown thought he would have been on the Olympic team. I think he thought he would have had an opportunity or an invite. Maybe not be on it.

Before. Have a chance. Before. Before we started the playoffs for that season. But think about. He's never been invited. 2020, he wasn't invited because Tatum looked as the better player between the two. So four years later. The other 12

teams. Like, even the team that just went with Austin Reisner. The FIBA one, right. Yeah. He wasn't invited. He was upset about that, too. So if you wasn't invited to the weakest one, right? You can be the best player here. He wasn't invited to that one. After winning the awards, it should have gotten me.

See, and that's the thing. I think the awards, I think the awards, you know, it's like that movie star that gets a big role, right? And then he goes to the club and he expects to get in because his movie is number one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But really nobody's like, whoa, relax. Jonathan Majors. Jonathan, yeah, yeah. Jonathan Majors.

Relax. Jonathan Majors. You know what I mean? That's what it is. That's what it is. You can't be running for white women and then expect to get in the club. The expectations of what these two awards pushed, I think he expected that because he won the championship,

he won these awards, you should want me on this team. And when he didn't get put on a team, it probably would have hurt his feelings. But is it that more so than, all right, Kawhi taps out, and not only do you not ask me, you ask my teammates. Yes. Okay, but that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm like, does that mess up stuff? Yes.

Right? It's like when you ask the fourth lead in that same movie I was in, and you say, all right, now we're going to skip you. Look how you skipped me. They just cheer for me when I was out there. Is it their fault, or is it your expectations? How you skipped me? They just cheered for me when I was out there. Is it that they, is it their fault or is it your expectations? Like if I take a girl out to eat and I pull up in a Maybach, her expectations.

We're going somewhere nice. We're going somewhere nice. And if I pulled up to the cheesecake, she's disappointed. Well, slow down, girl. I'm just saying. Nice restaurant. I'm just saying. But for the girl. The girl is expecting. girl. I'm not. I'm not. A nice restaurant. I'm just saying, but for the girl.

For the girl. The girl is expecting. And no boo. And we getting out. And we go to Taco Bell. You go to Boo Boo. Don't do that. It's not because of where we are going.

It's because of the expectations. No doubt. It's the surface. It's the surface thing. Yeah. But I think it's more. But don't know Chase. The expectation for sure.

Yeah. But I think the fact that you didn't pick me and you went and got my teammate when I know I'm better. You know I'm better. You know I'm better. Mm-hmm. But you still...

I think... I just think there's something... That's ugly. Because the teammate is... I don't think it affects them because the teammate is still going to be the teammate. What Derek White is bringing is what he's going to bring. It has nothing to do.

It's not like Derek White is going to be like, yeah, I made it to the Olympics. I got to go. I need to average 20. I don't think that's going to happen. I hope it does. I think Jalen got hurt and I think that hurt

can turn into a beast and I think Tatum got hurt and I think that turns into a beast so I got if they can fuse together I got two dudes that just that's like it's like when D-Wade lost

and Braun lost, and they both sitting there like, yo, we both look stupid. Vegeta and Goku. Yeah, we both look stupid now, so let's turn up. And I think the two, they got two teammates that's like... See, that's unfortunate. I was hoping Drew Holiday... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they both

are going to be... Go ahead, power up. Let's power up on that. I was hoping Drew Holiday and Derrick White would come to the booth. And then Derrick White would be back there. Oh! Here we go. We powering up. Oh, shit.

So I think it's not one of those where when you sit back and look at it, it's like they didn't get to enjoy their success. Like Jaden Brown, he didn't get to feel like a champion and a MVP. It's like, we still sitting there like, nigga, no. Yeah, we got to. No, even the new ranking of MVP candidates, his teammates fit, he's 19. And he's sitting there like, oh, this is what we doing. This is why.

What more do I got to do? I got to sit here and come out the gator, you fuckn' ass. And I think that's where he's at. I'm like Boston. I'm like Boston. Because I can see it, you got anger behind you now. And I think that's going to turn into something great. So Cheryl, 2025 NBA Finals will feature a rematch of the Celtics and Mavs.

Facts or cap? Cap. Damn, we got a unanimal. Unanimal. So who do you think, okay, who do you think makes it from the West? Who do I? I know, right? That's...

Ah. Damn. Mmmmm. Gil, you already know. Shh. Shh. Who are you about to say? Just make sure.

You know we gonna say the Lakers. Don't even play that. Don't even play that. You know what time it is. You know what time it is. We got Christian Coloso. We delusion-o. We don't say no one else ever. I don't do, um...

I don't know. I'm going Dallas. You're going Dallas again? I'm going Dallas. Just because of the way that the whole playoffs panned out. The way they played. You don't think Boston's going to go back? I don't think, yeah.

Okay, so he's the opposite. Yeah, I'm opposite. I think that Dallas will go back. I don't think Boston makes it. There's too much shit over there on the East. I think it's less shit on the West. More older names that can't get over the hump down the stretch, I believe. Just looking at this last...

Well, is Philly finally going to get there? I think so. With Philly, it's... Between Philly and the Knicks, if the Bucs fucking show up finally, you might have a good series between those top four.

But then you got to factor in what is Miami going to do? Are they going to get rid of Jimmy? Like, if the bottom tier of the East is going to be the top five, Indiana, New York, Bucks, Philly, and Boston, those are going to be the top five, it's a toss-up.

And we don't like Denver anymore? In the West? Yeah. I don't. I don't know. With Murray, the way Murray's been playing in the Olympic shits, in the playoffs before the Olympics,

coming into the year, Michael Porter Jr. He just got his money? Yeah. Yeah. It's different, man. I don't see him. That motherfucker might be Bubba Murray. True that.

He got Westbrook. Yeah, because Westbrook is going to do something we don't see. He's going to challenge Murray to be better than he really is. Wait, wait, wait. Westbrook. Westbrook's in Denver. I missed all of that. Yeah, he's going to challenge Murray to be greater.

I like that. He's going to be great. Like, that's where I'm like, Russ is going to push Murray to be like, no, keep going. But that's a project in its own self that I'm like that's gonna take Wow, and he's not gonna get credit for it. Nah, you know what I mean? It's like he's not gonna get credit when if Murray goes out and makes an all-star game and Becomes an all-star no one's gonna credit Russell of course not but if you a Hooper, you know, no was gonna be behind the scenes

Putting that battery in his back. You can see it on the floor. You're like, oh he's moving there Yeah, Russell over there putting that battery in his back. Um, I Can open up Denver I can you know, you know, I'm throw the Kings in there before but I'm like I'm like I'm like how white people are which Kings how white people are with Trump. That's how I am with the Lakers. Oh, that's fair. I don't see shit what you're talking about. That's fair. That's fair. I don't see, oh, whatever you're talking about, I don't see it. I didn't see it. What didn't happen?

I didn't see shit that was going on. He said what? Oh, I hear you. Not my Lakers. Oh, my God. 2025 Lakers champ, I see it. What happened? I see it.

I see it. I see it. I see it. I see it. I see it. I see it. I see it. I see it. Oh, my God. 2025 Lakers champ. I see it. What a hat tag. What a hat tag.

I'm delusional around here. Very reasonable, very rational. You know what? I look at it. If you not delusional as a fan, you not really a fan. I didn't understand. It's short for fanatic. I did not understand.

Like, Caitlin Clark's fans. Listen, I understand't understand. It's short for fanatic. I did not understand. Like, Caitlin Clark's fans. Listen, I understand it now. I love it. Like, my Lakers being amazing this year coming in. My Rams 0-0 right now. We haven't even started to see. That's still part of preseason, right? And game one this week, this next Sunday, we gonna get our first win,

right, and we gonna start getting ready for it. I get the delusion out, and it feels great. It feels great. It does. It's in when they be like, yo, you're out of playoffs. We already jumped to next season. Next season's gonna be great, and we keep the positivity.

That sounds, it just sounds a little insane. So why don't you just do this? You know how insane it is? You know how insane it is? Just change the team. Just like, you know what? You guys suck. No, you know how insane it is.

No, no, because you know how insane you have to be as a fan to know deep down inside, ain't shit changed from last year, but you go and buy season tickets anyway. You got to be insane. Yeah. Because I'm just cheering for the other team. What do you think is going to happen?

Like Detroit Pistons, right? You got to be insane if you think something changed, but you got your season tickets anyway. I love that. Yeah. If we finish last in the league, and I'm cheering for you. I'm not cheering for you next year.

What if you need something to do? You just need some entertainment. I need to win. I need to win. I need to see my team win. You're a fair weather. Yeah. Like somebody said, Rams is done. Oh, no, I'm just buying gear, baby.

I just got more Rams gear to buy. He's a fair weather fan, too. He ain't no real fan. Who? He ain't no real fan. What are you talking about? Well, technically, Gil, Rams are undefeated when you watch the full game. Was he undefeated?

Which has yet to happen. Man, I've been old. Yeah, come on, man. They are undefeated when you watch the full game. Was he undefeated? Which has yet to happen. Yeah, come on, man. They are undefeated right now. But when it comes to the Celtics and Mavs having a rematch in the 2025 NBA Finals. Stop the cap. Yeah. So we asked our chat as well. Chat has been on fire today.

You guys have been very, very embracing. A few outliers, of course, as to be expected. We asked the chat 2025 Finals will be a Mavs-Sells rematch. 83% said cap, so... Damn. We are here across the board. That West is hard. So I need, and with that in mind,

and because we are delusional, we are gonna do our way-too-early NBA finals predictions. I need you guys to give me your NBA finals predictions, but I will give you the caveat that if you are correct we will run this clip back and make you look like a genius. If you're wrong we will not. Oh so just to run a clip back? Okay okay.

I'll give stuff back in September. I gotta be for real then. Man we don't know who's gonna be in. Just do it. Just do it. Jump out the window. Wait like who's winning or the final? I don't even need to know the winner yet. We'll get to that in October. Do I stand on delusion still?

We already know one thing. I get it. I'll jump out the window first. Go. Let me push you. I'm going to go... Damn, I want the camera rolling so bad, but I got to look at his weight.

I really do want to go with 50. I do, because his weight will let me know if he's tapping in to being greatest, so I got to see it. Sitting there, too. I'm sitting there, too. So I got to see it. Sitting there too. I'm sitting there. I'm like, oh. Look at PG there. If we know he lost 50 pounds, we're going to be like, Philly.

Pat Bev not there to make him run 17. But PG being there is like. I like Philly. I like Philly. That's different. I like Philly. That's different. I was in Philly this weekend.

It's wild. I was in Philly this weekend for the PLO Championships. Talked to numerous Uber drivers, Philadelphians. They're not excited about this Philly squad. They're not. Oh, they're not excited? They are not. Oh, I'm going to Philly then. They're not boasting about this squad. I like Philly then. Because the city

don't know nothing. You know what I mean? So whenever they don't really have the spirit and the team succeeds, I won't, because they're called the brother, what was it? Brotherly love. Brotherly love, but they are the rudest fans. So it's really opposite of how they are.

So they don't like the team. That means I like the team. I'm going with Philly on this side. Okay. And then I'm going to go with... Ooh, I don't mind Philly versus Denver. Mm. That's who I was going with. And Philly got drumming, too.

Listen, if Philly got a nice... I was going with Philly. I'm telling you. They should be. I'm like, you're not excited about this squad? I'm hearing, oh, PGO, this, that, whatever. I'm just like, damn, dawg. Like, y'all...

Yeah. The nicest squad on the East. Yeah. Kyle Lowry. Yeah, yeah, that, whatever. I'm just like, damn, dawg. Y'all. Yeah. The nicest squad on the East. Yeah. Kyle Lowry. Yeah, yeah. They got Martin. Philly's nice. What has been in NBA history, has to be probably nine years or way back,

a finals where the two big man MVPs battle them out in their prime? Orlando, Houston? No. Shaq wasn't Shaq. That wasn't Shaq. Shaquille O'Neal? That wasn't MVP Shaq. What about David and Hakeem? They're both from the... Now I'm talking for the championship. Oh, for the championship. That was the conference. That would have been the Western Conference Finals. For the championship. We're two titans. Like, big men. Because these two are... Like, MVPs is these two right here.

They both... One's not damn near out the league. One of Tim Duncan's championships? Tim Duncan's championships? You had Robinson and Ewing in 99, but Duncan was really the best player on the Spurs, so it depends if you want to count that. So that means, yeah, Robinson was coming out.

And Ewing. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, so. Okay. What about Tim Duncan? What about Ewing? How old was Ewing? But Ewing was actually hurt that season,

so the Knicks made it to the finals without him. The Spurs championship. Okay, I'm going Philly-Denver. Philly-Denver. Oh, okay. I'm going, so we both. Yeah, we're going Philly-Denver. Or we're both going Philly-Denver. Philly-Denver? both... Yeah, we're going Philly, Denver. Philly, Denver?

Yeah. I just want to see them two battle it, because I've never... You know, in my era, I didn't see... I'll go Philly, Dallas. Even though I want to go Knicks, I just don't see nobody that we got right now... Let me see what the chat's saying.

...lined up with Embiid like that. So Spurs 99 to beat the Knicks. 0-3, beat the Nets Bynum no Bynum Dwight noddy. Oh five beat the Pistons. Oh five. Yeah. Well, that was no no Ain't no battle seven, you know thrilling. That's what it hasn't really there hasn't there hasn't been one on this Wait, Tim dirt. No that hasn't Because when dirt was balled it could yes, that hasn't. Because when Dirk was balled at Chris, yeah, see, it hasn't been.

These are MVPs. Dirk, Chris Bosh, maybe? Not at this level. Dirk is the MVP. Bosh wasn't. For personal, just to see one might have 50 and 12. The other one's going to have a triple-double.

We're going to both be like, this is a great-ass battle. We gonna both be like well I'm these are this is a great ass. Okay. I'm gonna go opposite of y'all since y'all go Philly. I'm gonna go New York Dallas Championship, I don't mind that either New York Dallas. I don't mind like Like the most the best thing we missed was like Kobe versus LeBron I we we did we didn't get to see that we't happening We didn't get to see The best thing we did see was KD versus LeBron

It was a little Magic Mike 91 finals That's not the one 90 MVP MJ 91 MVP Yeah that was the one Lakers Bulls I was too young to see Bird vs. Magic.

Goo Goo is your friend, ladies and gentlemen. But obviously Magic was going through situations. 1991, so. If that's what you want to call it. We gotta put an after by that. You and Hakeem? 94. 94? That was Jim?

Yeah. Ooh, how was that battle? Seven games. Did both how was that battle? Seven games. Seven games, but did both big men play well? Yeah. John Starks did not. John Starks fucked that up. That was John Starks' turn right there. And the person who said it, Rashad Johnson.

Chad is asking for my pick. As you know, I normally stay out of these situations. NBA, Adam Silver saying rent's due, so we need the Lakers versus the Knicks. Rent is due. Are you trying to give us another championship? We need to set records. Lakers versus the Knicks.

I'm Boston versus Lakers. I just want to see a good one. Boston versus Lakers would be dope. I just want to see a good one. This year, this year wasn't, it wasn't good. It wasn't. I think the buildup, though, the buildup was good.

Like, it was like it was, well, especially from Dallas, because motherfucking Luka was excellent. Going crazy. Like, it didn't. The east side was boring. I think that's what made it. Because Boston didn't have no talent. The east side was boring because Boston didn't have the challenge

and the best series was New York. Yeah. Because Jalen was... You're talking about the New York Pacers series? Just Brunson himself, he was just excellent in the playoffs. He was the most exciting thing probably in the Eastern Conference. Facts. Like when we think about it.

It should be interesting. Definitely Philly. The Philly got on paper probably got the best team in the NBA. Yeah. Right now on paper. But we know what paper means. So we'll see what the boys do over there. But they look nice.

They're looking nice. So we got those predictions again. If they turn out to be true, we will edit this in a way to make you the smartest people in the world. If they do not, we will... It's too late, man. We already know. They already know.

They already know. Is it obvious? Man, Kaitlyn Clark, man. Y'all see Jean Grey out there? Jean Grey. Firing out them fucking passes through her mind. You got mind control? Mind control over Deebo and them. Firing out them fucking passes through her mind. You got mind control?

Mind control over Deebo and them. Y'all gonna vote for me. First team all WNBA. All right, well, let's move on to Mostly Fans. Presented by our friends at Underdog Fantasy. As a reminder, they've got all kinds of week three specials and promos for you to get your bag and your mind right. So shout out to Underdog Fantasy for bringing you Gil's Arena, keeping these lights on, and always paying on time.

Direct deposit, never an issue. Never have to go hunting for it. 9 p.m. Pacific is hitting the account. It's 12 Eastern. They're ready. They're ready. They ready. But we got a video question from underdog user JJTG24. Who took a team to the finals with the least amount of talent? Kobe in 09, Dwight Howard in 09, AI, or LeBron in 2018?

No player I don't think had a player outside of themselves average over 20 points. Damn. Shout out to JJTG24. Who took a team to the finals with the least amount of talent? Kobe in 09, Dwight in 09, AI in 2001, or LeBron in 2018? Kobe in 09 has the Hall of Famer, right? Pau Gasol.

I mean, it's got to be AI. And then. A.I. didn't have no money. And then LeBron had. He had Kyrie and Kevin Love, right? Two Hall of Famers. Mm-hmm. I don't think Kyrie was there.

Kyrie wasn't there? LeBron did not have Kyrie. I would say LeBron in 07, but that's just. Yeah, LeBron in 07, that team. I'd still say AI. That was when he was dominant. Still AI. Okay.

Yeah, no, AI. Kevin Love was there, yeah. I would say AI. AI's team. Okay. And then, sure, who took a team to the finals with the least amount of talent? Kobe in 09, Dwight in 09. Oh, I don't know.

What was Dwight's team in 09? I'll say one. No, I don't know What was the white? Vice team in oh no, I have to look up the team White chocolate I think was there with who the white hour. Oh no, because because I was the white Howard Donna's foil Keith Bogan. What year was that? Yeah, I was 14. And who was with AI? Eric Snow.

Tyrone Hill. Ty McCullough. Matt Harpering. It has to be AI. Yeah. Aaron McKee. Damn. Yeah. George Lynch. George Lynch was on that team.

Rafe Austin. Damn. Courtney Lee. Who else was on that team? Keetris. Alvin Williams. Was that Alvin Williams? Alvin Williams was on that team?

Oh, it has to be AI. Yeah, it's AI. Yeah, AI's team for sure. Definitely. Was Keith Van Horn on that team too? Damn. If he would have been, he would have come off the bench. Keith Van Horn.

All right, let's move on. All right. All right. All right. All right. Yeah, yeah, I seen for sure Yes, he ran horn on that team, too Yeah, if he would have been able to come off the bench Keith fan who? To keep was yeah, oh man. Oh, yeah. That was Keith has to be let's move on to our second question email question from underdog user skilla 1231 Who on this couch is a Hooper? verse score in Angela, 1231, who on this couch is a hooper versus score?

In parentheses, Josiah included. I don't know why y'all bring me into this. I merely heard a host. Who on this couch is a hooper versus score? Sarah, would you consider yourself a hooper or a scorer? Damn, it has to be one or the other. I merely asked the questions. What would you consider yourself? That's a good one. I'm glad you said that. What would you consider yourself then?

Is... I mean, I was just a baller. That could score. Ooh, okay. Another category. Another category. No, it's the same, she just used a different word. I was a hooper that could score.

Hooper that could score, boom. That's cool. Yeah. I would's the same. She just used a different word. That was a Hooperdecker score. Hooperdecker score. Boom. That's cool. Yeah. I would say the same. Okay. Gilbert?

I was a basketball player. Yeah, Gilbert. That's not the question, man. Stop moving the goal post. Answer the question. You got two categories. You got two categories. It's this category

and that category. Pick one. Don't make up a whole category. But this whole thing was made up of a whole category. You can pick one or the other. Damn. I don't want to be a name to Hooper. Hooper was a stupid basketball player back then. So then you'd be a scorer. Be a scorer then. No, I don't want to be a scorer.

No. He didn't pass that, motherfucker. He wasn't no passer. He got to be a scorer. If you can shoot the bitch 30 times a game, nigga. Like, we knew what hoopers was. We knew what the hoopers was. I saw some balls. Like, they didn't know how to play organized basketball.

They just hooped. Right? Nigga come in here in jeans and shit and couldn't hoop. And then when you put them in the organized, they didn't know how to play basketball like that. You couldn't really start them. Hey, is that the long cool that a description of your game? No, not mine I don't understand what we're talking about. What is he talking about? What would you have called yourself a basketball a hell of a basketball player exact a dominant

That's not the words you use those girl you use the word baller I was a baller that cuz go all yeah So instead of Cooper you would be a bomb not a basketball player Not the words you used, though, Cheryl. You used the word baller. I was a baller. That could score. Baller, yeah. So instead of hooper, you would be... A baller. Not a basketball player. Just a baller. Baller. Baller.

A baller. Baller. Hoopers were six men. I wasn't a hooper. I know. Of course you wasn't. I was a baller. Ginobili was...

I don't know. You don't like the question. He don't like the hooper categorization. He don't like the question. He don't like the Hooper categorization. He don't like the criteria of what a Hooper is. He hates it. Either he was a basketball player or he was a Hooper. This is a running thing on the show now. He was a Hooper.

There's a difference. Explain to her the context of the conversation. So basically, we knew what Hooper was. We knew what a basketball player was. Then Hooper was like your sixth man. They're more like outside basketball players. So the and one people, and one players were considered Hoopers. Right?

They just hooped. Right? And then someone decided they wanted to change the definition and say Hoopers and scores. And then Hooper became a two-way player that knew how to play basketball. And I'm like, I'm not going with your new definition. So, Cheryl. Who chose that definition? So, what he's saying is that what you considered yourself originally, which is a Hooper, you

played both sides of the ball. No, no, no, no, no. You did not consider yourself that. Before that said baller. You said baller first. Now, watch this. I said a Hooper that could score. Then I said, no, I was a baller that could score.

Right. I see you're a baller that can score. So you took hooper out. You said that first, and then I said that's what a hooper is. You know, he's changing. You're just using the word baller. Before, you said I'm a hooper that can score. Now, Stack Jack got on here and said that a hooper is a player that can play both sides of the ball.

That a hooper is? A hooper. A hooper goes and wants to take the challenge. Thank you for the expression. He wants to take the challenge of the best player, guard the best player, can go get buckets, can play inside the element of the team. That's what a hooper is?

Thank you. That's not what a hooper was called. Now, what do you consider a hooper? Somebody who can't really play basketball. Thank you! So what we just realized... They think they can. What we just realized is in basketball terms,

there's too much to talk about. Thank you. Both sides of the basketball. Because we just asked her, what is your definition of a hooper? She said someone who can play basketball really, really good. That's very vague. It's very vague.

I didn't say that. No, what did you just say? I didn't say that. You just said somebody who can play basketball really, really good. No, I said someone who thinks they can play basketball. Thinks they can play basketball very good. Okay, so... A hooper is someone who thinks they can play...

You said you was a hooper that can score. You know what? You could be in a grocery store. Somebody walk up and be like, yeah, I'm a hooper. But you said you was a hooper that can score. No, she was a baller that can score. And then I switched that to a baller that could score. But a baller is a hooper.

No. What was your definition before he gave you the definition? What was the definition of a hooper before he changed it? Somebody who could roll the ball out and just go out there and do whatever he wanted to do on the court. Whatever you ask him. And name those. Score, rebound, defend. No, no, name it.

Name it. Drive, dribble, pass. And name those. Score, rebound. No, no, name. No, you didn't. Name it. Drive, dribble, pass. Name it. Name it because you remember you came up. All of those things. Remember, before he made the statement and you jumped with his statement, you said who you thought hoopers were. Yeah.

What was those names? Jamal Crawford, the guys who could go out there and throw the ball out and do whatever. Six-mans, right? No, it wasn't just six-mans. You named only six-man. They just happened to be six-man They just happened to be six men. Okay, happened to be six men. Yeah, but they not traditionally, if they had an option to be

six men or all-star, they would be all-star. Okay, but all of those guys would not fall under his definition of Hoopers because they would have been just offensive players. Facts. Okay, so that means you changed the definition. I merged the definitions. I got my definition, and I said, I like his definition.

And then I said, let me bring that together. Where did you get your definition from? Your original definition, where did you get it from? Me. He merged. Watching the game of basketball for 39 years. So for 39 years, you had a definition that we both and everybody else had, and then it just changes overnight.

Yes, because he gave me a new perspective. Just like anything learning in life. If I'm out here learning in life, somebody give me a new perspective. Why? Hooper was what? Was it disrespectful? It was a disrespectful...

Yeah, like I really seriously never called myself a Hooper. It was a disrespectful term. It's different when you say Hooper. Two people who don't really understand what the term means. Everybody. If I ask you what the term means... Nobody agrees. Nobody agrees. Everybody. If I ask you what the term means. Nobody agrees. Nobody agrees with this.

If I ask you what the term means and you just tell me it's a really good basketball player, that's not the term. But I didn't say that. Like, what I'm saying is that. I didn't say that. You said somebody who thinks they're a really good basketball player. No. I said a hooper is somebody who thinks they can play basketball. Thinks they can play.

Like, nigga, you. But that's not what everyone thinks a hooper is. No, everyone did. You even thought it. No, I didn't. Listen to what you just said a hooper was. You thought that like... A hooper is what?

A hooper was what? Just ask the chat what's a hooper. Like, what's the phrase? I said a hooper is somebody who roll the ball out, do whatever you need them to do on the court at a high level. What are you talking about? That's a hooper. You want a hooper on the court?

But he didn't name not one high-level player in his original definition. He didn't say Kobe Bryant. He didn't say Michael Jordan. He didn't say no high-level player. I didn't have to. He said a bunch of six men. I didn't have to. Why do I have to?

Because the guys at high level that I'm considering are scorers. Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan, all those. I don't know. They're scorers. They're scorers, not hoopers. No, they're definitely hoopers that can score. The debate has been really good. Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan are the only two guys that play both sides of the floor at a high level.

I don't know. I've just never considered myself. What did you say? No, I was going to say I'm a baller. It was considered a disrespectful thing to be called a hooper. No, because I was like, no, I'm not a hooper. I'm not no hooper. Yeah, I'm like, I play for real.

I play for real. I play for real. I play for real. So how come she's never heard the conversation, and she looks at hoopers as a disrespectful thing, and she says, no, I play for real basketball. I'm not a Hooper. She didn't even know what it meant. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

That was the point. You are changing it because you changed it. I didn't change shit. But we just told her, what does a Hooper mean? I didn't change shit. And what I'm saying is, when you asked her what being called a Hooper means, it was considered disrespectful. So she knew what it means because it was a disrespectful thing.

But I asked her what it means. Because it means a disrespectful thing. It just means someone who thinks they're a really good basketball player. Who thinks. No. Not who is. Not who is really good. I said someone who thinks they can play basketball.

And she said. Therefore, I know I can play. I know I can play basketball. The niggas at the park every day are hoopers. No, they're not. They show up seven days a week. No, they're not. The niggas, yes.

And we all know that. Okay, what are they? What do you call them? Civilians. Pedestrians. We're not the fucking hoopers. Yeah, the hoopers. A nigga that's a hooper carries a basketball around with his name on it.

And like, yo, I'm a hooper. Yeah, show up at 10. I got my hoop shoes in the car all the time. I'm a hooper. I got my hoop shoes in the car all the time. I'm a hooper. I got shorts on there. I'm ready to hoop. A hooper is ready to hoop. And what did you say? I take my shit very serious. I'm not a hooper.

I'm a basketball player. So if I say, man, you trying to hoop right now? Oh, nah, I'm cool. Everyone's fucking a bougie ass, man. Give me a nigga that can hoop. You ain't no fucking hooper. I'm a fucking hooper. Where we hooping at? Call me. I'm there. Everyone's fucking a bougie ass, man. Give me a nigga that can hoop. You ain't no fucking hooper. I'm a fucking hooper. Where we hooping at? Call me.

I'm there. My shoes is in the back. What's up? In the back. All the time. And a nigga ain't ready to hoop. When I called that nigga out the other day, I said, Gilbert, there's a ball up here. Let's shoot.

This is football season. Ooh. Ooh. That ain't hooper. That ain't hooper shit. I guess we'll find out. We shoot when it's time to shoot. He said he's not a Hooper. Exactly.

Just how you did it. It's a very different. Hoopers don't duck. I'm sorry. I study. Hoopers don't duck. I studied the game. You hear me?

I studied the game too much. Are you hearing me? I trained too much. The last time he challenged a Hooper, you know what the fuck happened? He embarrassed his fucking son. I'm going to just be disrespected. Trying to fucking challenge a real hooper, you know what the fuck happened? He embarrassed his fucking son. I'm going to just be disrespectful. Trying to fucking challenge a real hooper, nigga. I'm going to fucking challenge a hooper and sit on his fucking couch like you a baller or something, nigga.

You got your ass smoked. And I'm going to say this very disrespectful. Nigga, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm going to say it very disrespectful. Come on, you ain't no fucking hooper. I studied more film hours than he played. Never. I studied more

hours before he even knew how to get good. I was in college doing the shit he was doing in the league. I had already did it. Damn. I already did the shit he was doing in the league. Fuck he talking about? I watched more hours of basketball. I already did that. I did that in high school.

Prep school, 6 a.m. I already did that. I did that in high school. Prep school, 6 AM. We're watching film. I go shoot and watch the video of the shooting. Oh, wow. There. Yeah, I think I shot that wrong. Wow. Let me shoot that right.

I'm a hooper. We hoop. What's up? And everybody out there know that's a hooper know what hooping means. We hoop. See, this is what. Why am I in the middle of this?

Why y'all both trying to convince me? When we talk about our greatness, we can talk about it for ourselves. This is from my coach talking to his niece. Can you read what he said about me? You got the big text. And we had a falling out. You and your coach? Yeah.

He said, you want me to say his name? Sure. Uncle Eddie? Mm-hmm. Eddie Jordan. Uncle Eddie. Hold on, hold on, hold on.

What time is it? You have him saving your phone as Uncle Eddie? No, his niece. His niece. Okay, I'm about to say. DM'd me this conversation she had with him.

Okay. Just make it short. Just make it short He said somewhat period Gilbert was a Scowler A quote seeker Assassin DNA From day one

And told you how he was gonna Kick yo ass And mostly he did it Just a different cat. The mold was broken. Mm. Shout out Eddie Jordan. He educated.

That's what Eddie said. He went to Princeton, right? I'm just reading. That was a, that's a. What is that face? What is that face? I'm trying to figure out what it, what was that for? I wasn't a hooper.

He was a baller. I was a baller. I was a studier. You was a scorer. I was a guideline. I was a studier you score I was the guy or I was an information guy who would I can score scoring is what I know who would I can score everybody know what's up you know the shooter that knew how to score I was I was great at what angles everything I knew how to play the game of basketball. Meaning you can put me on any team and I understood how to play.

Arizona wasn't supposed to play. Because of my knowledge of the game, you can put me on that team and I can lead the team in scoring, steals, whatever. Same thing in the NBA. You can put me on a team and and I can lead the team in scoring, steals, whatever. Same thing in the NBA. You can put me on a team, and I can find a way to play. A hooper is just a nigga who knows how to hoop basketball, doesn't know how to play basketball. It was already established. You can change it if you want to to make yourself feel good, but I wouldn't have never called you a hooper. That would be disrespectful for everything you put into the game.

But if that's the label you want now, cool. No, because what I hear when the motherfuckers is having conversations, hey, that nigga hoop. That nigga can hoop. I don't give a fuck what y'all talk. That nigga hoop. He hoop. He can hoop.

He can hoop. All the other shit is cool. When you can hoop, that means when I walk in the gym, tight him up a little bit tighter than it was before I got in here. Tight him up a little bit more tighter. He would have like, yeah, you know, see that nigga outside, you know, he owns the barbershop now. I'm like, yeah, that nigga should be great. That nigga in high school.

He was a great ass hooper in high school. He was a great-ass hooper in high school. There's a show called Hoop Dreams. Yes. Facts. Facts. None of them made it. You did not want to be called a hooper. Some niggas go up in the hood with their daddy as a crackhead.

What can you do with your daddy as a crackhead? Without your new explanation, she said, I doubt it would be called the Hooper. Shout out to Arthur and Bo A.G. Anderson, if you want to take on the newest category of it, that's all you. Gil, in Bo A.G.'s defense, he said he could have most likely went pro. He would have. Most Hoopers think they can. Most Hoopers think.

Most likely. He could have most likely went pro. She said it right. The Hoopers think they can. Most hoopers think they can. Most likely. You feel the most likely where from. She said it right. Hoopers think they can play. Oh, my gosh. So we asked the chat, is it obvious where the hooper is? 71% said yes. What's also obvious.

71% is what? Say yes, it's obvious where the hooper is. We asked it, is it obvious where the hooper is? I stay in the 70%, Stoner. You know what else is obvious? That it's time to go because we done been here way too long. Shout out to our crew. Staying all Monday night.

We're abusing the time. Quick turnaround. We're abusing the time. We had a back-to-back. Now we got another one tomorrow, Cheryl. We appreciate you pulling up to the arena. Always. A dominant basketball player.

We appreciate you as always. Nah, he a hooper now. Shout out to the hoopers basketball players. I see how appreciate you as always. Nah, he a hooper now. Shout out to the hoopers, basketball players. I see how he has to think about that. Like, wait, shit, hoop or a baller?

Baller. Basketball player. Oh, we're going wrong with this. Cheryl, you'll be back tomorrow. Sean, you'll be back tomorrow.

Cheryl, I want to hear you say nothing about no hooper shit. She said it. Don't say nothing. You got to say baller or basketball player or Hooper that can

score. So this has been another episode of Gil's Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. We will see y'all tomorrow.