Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena LOSES IT Over BR's All Time Top 100 Hoopers

Episode Date: July 14, 2025

Gil's Arena Get HOSTILE Over Bleacher Report's Top 100 All Time Hoopers as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to Bleacher Report updating their list of the Best 100 players in NBA History and discuss what their ranking of Kobe Bryant at 11 below guys like Steph Curry & Larry Bird says about Gil's take that Kobe is an overrated sidekick. Next, they break down the opening games of NBA Summer League where Cooper Flagg stumbled in his debut game against Bronny James & The Los Angeles Lakers but proved why he was the #1 overall pick with a 31 point performance before the Dallas Mavericks' decided to shut down their franchise player until NBA Training Camp. They give their impressions from Flagg's first taste of NBA action and highlight other standouts from NBA Summer League including the San Antonio Spurs' terrifying duo of Dylan Harper & Carter Bryant. Next, NBA Champion Isaiah Hartenstein enters Gil's Arena to break down life after winning the NBA's ultimate prize and give an inside look at the dynamics of Oklahoma City Thunder's championship roster, highlighting what makes Shai Gilgeous Alexander & the team's Big 4 so special. They then react to more rumors swirling between LeBron James & The Los Angeles Lakers as the King and his agent Rich Paul hinted at a potential move away from the team this weekend and read between the lines on what LeBron wants to happen this offseason. They debate if the Lakers have done enough to surround LeBron with a championship roster this offseason and break down which out of the rumored landing spots for LeBron between the Golden State Warriors, Cleveland Cavaliers, Los Angeles Clippers and Dallas Mavericks give LeBron the best shot at winning 1 more championship. Finally, they react to the HOSTILE online battle between Robert Griffin III and Angel Reese where the former NFL QB turned media member inserted himself and race into the conversation, sparking a debate inside the arena over whether or not the dialogue over the WNBA Superstar has gone too far. Please give us a like and subscribe!!! Gil's Arena Crew - Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Kenyon Martin, Rashad McCants & Sheryl Swoopes Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GIL and get up to $1000 in Bonus Credits and A FREE Pick: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... Join the Playback chat to interact with Gil and Josiah https://www.playback.tv/gilbertarenas SUBSCRIBE:    / @gilsarena   Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos!   / discord   0:00:00 2 Min Timer 0:01:48 Show Start 0:10:53 Cooper Flagg's NBA Debut 0:26:52 Isaiah Hartenstein Enters Gil's Arena 0:30:16 What Made The 2025 OKC Thunder Special 0:34:32 IHart On SGA's Leadership 0:39:40 Is SGA The Best Player In The World? 0:40:30 Hartenstein Gets Real On Being Bright Skinned 0:41:47 How Playing Overseas Changed IHart's Game 0:48:11 The Difference Between Playing With Brunson & Shai 0:49:18 The Influence of Rick Brunson 0:50:21 Will OKC Chase The NBA Wins Record? 0:52:08 Toughest Defensive Matchup In The NBA 0:54:26 What Makes The European Big So Special 0:59:10 Bleacher Report Drops Their Top 100 Hoopers Ever 1:36:40 Kobe Bryant Deserves More Respect? 1:59:53 LeBron Has No Comment On His Future With The Lakers 2:24:57 Drake Covers His LeBron Tattoo 2:38:39 MostlyFans Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Gills Arena presented by Underdog World! Our last week of the summer, we got a full house on this couch. I know, it's a full house. We got vacation coming so everybody happy. You know this motherfucker, everybody in the jetty? Whatever. Woman power, they ain't never been this loud. Don't do that.

They don't. They don't. They never been that much dead ass. They't do that. They don't. They're always loud. They ain't never been that with dead ass. They're not in the off-roach. Dead ass. Everybody looking forward to that. If you get back there, they'll be caring. But it don't be like when you here, boy.

When you here, woo! Hi! HR on alert. I bring the energy. I'm just stupid. Got a full couch in the arena on this lovely Monday. It is Monday. Some of us were in Vegas for summer league.

Vegas wins again, as it always does. It was hard to come into work today, can I? I ain't gonna lie. Seen KJ out there a few times though. Yeah, no, you should. Very humble young man, very good. He's supposed to be leaving today, we'll see. We will see.

We will see if he comes. Yeah, I know you had a little trip too. What was you out there doing Thanks Day sitting in the Sun sitting in a house. They were streaming it and they know what's the normal background? And with the Joshua Street Stream all day Sit in the house cuz it's too hot outside We go to the garage, we sit in the house, because it's too hot outside.

Facts. Damn, we could have did this at the crib. Outside, right? Outside, outside at the crib. Different angle, just move. Yeah, it's hot. Move the seats. But this is Gills Arena, presented by Underdog.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, as always, we got the legend, Gilbert Arena's here with us. Hello! And making her return to the couch, we got Hall of Famer four time WNBA champion of the world, Cheryl Swoops back in the building. Swoops, Swoops. Represent Tough Crowd, Tough Crowd University,

we got Mr. B. Brandon Jennings. Yes. On this side of the couch, we got the distinguished gentleman from Oak Cliff, former number one pick Kenya Martin back in their car. And the man they call money making sunny NCAA champion of the world Rashad McCance back here with us. Got the belt.

Yo and this show is by far more popular than any basketball game I've ever played. Yeah, I just want you all to know that. Right, though, it ain't like I ever. This is like this only thing I've ever done. I showed up, hey, Martin, you ain't a show is great. But I went to the finals. I'm like, yeah, but the show is. No more. All that shit don't even matter.

But nah, man, it's just everywhere, dawg. It's like, it's not one place that I've been, man, especially over the weekend, dawg, everywhere. Lot of love at Summer League in Vegas. Y'all just thinking about going to the back of the show, like going to security do like, hey man, y'all, I was just watching y'all, sitting right here, look.

They sitting on their break, they supposed to be watching motherfuckers doing jobs. And I'm like, yo, appreciate the love. Hey man, appreciate the love, man. So a lot of people who were rocking with us, but a few people who weren't, saw a cat at the gym, Gil. We made eye contact. We didn't say nothing.

I was like, saw a cat. Big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, that. Big, big wow. No. Stop, Gil, stop. No, I know why. Why you said big wow? I know why. Niggas. Bruh. Yeah. Do tell. No.

You don't want to tell? Comments made on the comments. But a lot of people rocking with us want to pull up to the show. So appreciate everybody in Vegas for the hospitality. Yeah, was he any heat? Come on, Gil. No.

See, this is, I shouldn't even say nothing. But anywho, for all the fans out there, we still got two viewing options for y'all. I'm just asking the question, was he in heat? Was he? Good dude. Hey, I read- I know he's a good man.

Hey, I read in Jerry too. Stack out. Yeah. Told me to relay a message. Uh-uh. To Nick? No. To me? I Before all the fans out there we still got two viewing options for you, our traditional version mobile vertical version pick which one you want to watch.

Just make sure you support the show. Here's what's cracking in the arena today. Cooper flag made his NBA debut in the Spurs show. They've got some defensive demons in the making. We break down some of the biggest moments from the first weekend of summer league in Sin City. The LeBron and Lakers saga took another interesting turn. What message are the purple and gold sending to their former franchise player and what could be his final

season in LA. Bron was in Vegas, Rich Paul was too. A lot of things going on. And Bleach Report released their updated list for the top 100 players of all times. Who got loved and who got snubbed. You know we did some Negro domicile and we had forecasting set some fan bases maybe beef with each other in the near future. That very well may be the case after this list is announced but before we get into all that as always the show is brought to you by Underdog. Go ahead download the Appius promo code GIL.

Get up to $1,000 in bonus cash plus a special pick them. And we're back with another crew partner pack today so as a reminder each member of our gills arena crew submitted a pick them that were combining to create our partner pack on the underdog app will tally up the individual picks guy with the highest percentage of accurate picks receive a large sum of underdog bread before we take our summer hiatus ladies and gentlemen we got four more shows left including today please rock with us we're gonna see who's winning this dough. So Kenya currently leads the couch with eight of nine correct so far going heavy

on Texas Rangers. Adalus Garcia, paying the bills, doing his thing. Gillen second place with seven of nine and Swaggy Brand and Rashad all tied for third place with six of nine correct. But let's take a look at the partner pack for today. So Brandi you got Cal Raleigh higher 21.5 round one homers in the home run derby. Rashad you got O'Neal Cruz higher 21.5 round one homers in the home run derby. You have Angel Reese higher 0.5 double doubles, eight straight double doubles for Angel Reese. Seemed like a no-brainer. You're gonna get number nine tonight sure? All right. And Swaggy has Kelsey Plumb higher 17.5 points for tracking

purposes Kenyon has Angel Reese higher 27.5 points in rebounds. I don't know why they put on the graphic but you can't double the Angel Reese's? Can you say you're gonna stay with Angel Reese anyway? I don't even mind up there. He didn't tell me the other day like he'll pick this person. I'm like alright cool. I just pick some. So good news the report. We asked the chat if they were riding or fading with the crew partner pack for today.

64% of the chat is riding with the crew partner pack. That may be one of our highest. Chats support, if you like this download the underdog app add this crew partner pack. Let's get this thing moving. And if you can't watch the show live with us on YouTube, we have audio versions available on Apple, Spotify,

wherever you get your podcasts. So, you- Y'all still watch SportsCenter? Do we still watch? On occasion, I'm still a traditionalist, traditional cable guy. Go to SportsCenter? No TV?

Yeah, yeah, I- Y'all still watch SportsCenter? On this side of the couch? Y'all still watch Sports Center? On this side of the couch? Y'all still watch Sports Center and things like that? No, I don't. Damn, no one watches regular TV. Yeah, that's what I was... I do, I like that.

I just be on Twitter. I get all my information on Twitter. You get better highlights off of Instagram. Better place to... Twitter got it right ASAP. They be having it fast. You have it better on social media. Faster than TV?

That was the shit like... Da-da-da! Like even after the football game, like Monday night football, go off and they come on to something, you just turn the shit right off, like game over. Yeah, we good, yeah. Okay, so what is that? I know it's a home run derby, but what is it?

So they need to hit 22 home runs for them to win. In the first round. In the first round. Which is first round. In the first round. Which is a good. 21 fresh. So 21. It won't be off the dark week. 22.

That half killed you. Just home runs. Yes, that's all they're doing. Somebody is, they throwing it so they can hit the home run. They just gotta hit them. Okay. That's things like a lot. It's not, not in the first round.

How many pitches they get? It's time. Up to 10, whatever. It's time. it's time. Yeah, but they get ten balls No, no, no, no, I thought but not no, they miss it. I don't know what it is. They don't hit him out the park I thought but I'm sure it's a certain That's what it used to be used to be like 10. Okay, get 22 homeruns. It's easy. Okay I've got used to be like four minutes like you didn't get it like four minutes three. Oh Just okay. Just time. I know black

Yeah, yeah, we're doing all that guess and we know we can look it up, right? So NBA summer league tipped off in Las Vegas this past Thursday after much anticipation number one overall pick the man known as the main event Cooper flag made his NBA debut and would prove to be the main event of Summer league will flag in his mask while taking on on Browning the Lakers and a nationally televised prime time game on ESPN Let's take a look at some of the highlights if we can please Paulo So Ronnie got things started early Looked like he was about to get out there really cook the first five points of the game really cooked. Hit the first five points of the game. Flag trying to guard them, taking grilled sandwiches as expected. Bronte finished with eight points, two rebounds, and two assists.

Two for eight from the field, one for six from three in 21 minutes. So Flag showed flashes but had an off shooting night going five for 21 from the field. He had 10 points, six rebounds, four assists, three steals, and a block in 32 minutes. Was getting clamped up by Bronte like this player right here. Should not have been a foul. Was in the building. Sure was not a foul. Clean defensive play.

Flag getting a superstar whistle in NBA Summer League. But returned the favor on the very next play. Hit a jumper in Bronte's group that had the crowd going wild. So Flag found other ways to impact the game though. But undrafted rookie Ryan Nebhart stole the show Nebhart Andrew Nebhart's little brother. Let the match with 21 points five assists. Tight game late Cooper flag at a chance to extend the lead air

ball Bronnie got the ball in the final possession of the game and this happened right here. Fans on their feet. Bronnie able to get a three point shot attempt up. That was no good, appeared to be fouled on the play. No foul caught, I'm just fucking around. He just missed, it's all good. Wasted all that time to take that shot?

Could have shot that, you could have rent, came down shot shot that motherfucker wouldn't gave y'all self a chance. This is summer league we're figuring things out learning process working off the case that they say but after the game Flagg had this reaction to his first summer league action. Not up to my standard but I'm gonna regroup I'm gonna be alright you know it's new feeling new environment new teammates. But the guys started down, Miles, Ryan, they were amazing tonight. Max, they were great tonight.

So they had my back. I didn't have my best game. But I'm going to keep going going forward. How would you say this kind of game compares to the college game? I mean, it's just a different game, different pace, different feel, different spacing. It's a lot of adjustments but we'll be alright. So flag bounced back with a 30 piece in his next game which we'll get to shortly but let's talk about his debut first. So the flag brawny showdown had the fourth highest recorded

viewership in summer league history average of 955,000 viewers peaking at 1.12 million viewers. 167% increase over last year's Summer League average. So only three games with better numbers were Zion's debut in 2019, Wimby's debut in 2023, and Lanzo versus Tatum in 2017. But let's get back to this firsthand first. What are your thoughts on Cooper Flag

making his NBA Summer League debut against Brownie and the Lakers? Yeah, it's just expected, man. Got 21 shots up. NBA summer league debut against Bronte and the Lakers. Yeah, it's just expected man. Got 21 shots up. Aggressive. Hey, what you expect from it? The ball gonna go in sometime, it ain't.

Shit, man, I'm not putting too much emphasis on first summer league game. So shot early in the game, you were in the group chat, you sent that clip, Ronnie's lockdown defense. There's been some discussion flag, greatest freshman in Duke history, as some have said. But what do you think from that first game, and obviously we got the second game, the 30 piece,

we'll talk about in a second, but five for 21. Opened in the NBA summer league. Did you put two clips or just the one? So you didn't put the very next play? Oh, okay. It was expected. I'm just saying, I was, I, I, I, maybe I missed the second clip. I just thought, okay. Oh, okay. It was just, yeah. Instant reaction. Okay. As we tend to do on the group trip, what'd you think about flagging this NBA Summer League debut? to think about flagging his NBA Summer League debut. I mean, I guess we've been trained not to take Summer League serious, so we'll have to take it serious. So, um,

I feel like he's going through a learning curve, as expected, because the player just got out of college for one year. So, you know, it looks like he's going to have his troubles, even trouble in summer leaves, he's in trouble. See it, because the guys are moving past it, they're smart, they're like that.

But once he get past that Ricky wall, see where he at. Right now it's too early to do it. Let's move over to this side of the couch. Mr. Beams, you're thinking about Flagg. Summer league debut, taking on Brian Delekker. Getting to Doug, 5 for 21 from the field. I mean, I like his energy. You could tell he's a little nervous.

I mean, your first summer league game is sold out. You know, everybody's watching ESPN. So, you know, just a lot of nerves, but I just like his pace and I can see where he can really fit in with Dallas when the season starts. And, you know, with his role and the things he do, I think he'll be fine.

So. How about yourself, Cooper Flag, number one overall pick? Yes. See? You don't watch summer leagues? I don't watch summer leagues. So you like, yeah, you like me. I don't watch summer leagues. Well, thank you for the honesty. I mean, I just, I don't. Yes Well, thank you for the honesty I mean

There's no need there's no need to watch it. I didn't watch the game either Just so you don't fry the the highlights Yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't watch it on Friday. That's why we show show highlights here in Gills are in a presented monitor Whoa, don't worry't worry. That's how we was with the WNBA for the last, like, 20 years. I know. We just watched some highlights. So we understand. So yeah, I understand. But it's Summer League.

His next game was on, I was in Summer Eaton. On, and I just was happy. Gil, how about yourself? Cooper Flag making his NBA Summer League debut, taking on Bronnie and the Lakers. I'm trying to figure them last number one pick that actually performed well to the hype of that first day. I mean, I don't think Wimby played very well.

Zion did OK, had about 10 points. They played like 11 minutes, something like that. I mean, what I was taking, like, was he gonna be aggressive? And that was yes. I mean, you know, even though he wasn't making shots, took 21 of them joints. So, you know, even though he wasn't falling, you know, he's still trying to figure out the pace

of the NBA game, very different. But what I do like and This changes things. I know they got a little D-Lo in there. But him playing the point, there's only gonna be a few matchups that, you know, you're gonna, that's gonna, that's gonna pick him up full court and challenge his ball handling. Other than that him at the point is gonna be very big for Dallas right him bringing the ball up like you're treating them like when Magic came in when Bron came in Ben Simmons came in

should even when Lamar Odom was bringing that ball down to court you know you got your you know you got your your big guard that can see over the defense, you know, making plays. So that's going to be very, very big for Dallas. Before somebody started, Jason Kidd said he wanted to put Flagg in some uncomfortable situations, wanted him to try out the point forward position, said that would be a need, obviously, with Kyrie coming

back from the ACL injury. But you say you like Cooper Flag like as a primary ball handler. No, I mean, just making plays. Like if you have a big guy who can make plays, it changes how you can play the game, right? You know, when Dreymon Green was bringing the ball up, when you pass it to Chris Webber and he can make plays, like, you know, when I played in Orlando,

putting Turk at the point and making plays it changes cause they can see over the defense. So there's passes that they can make that, you know, someone that's 6'2", 6'3", can't make. Okay, well, let's talk about Cooper Flags first game. Obviously left much to be desired. But like I mentioned,

Flag bounced back in the second summer league game showing mass fans that he's really like that. So let's take a look at the video. Taking on Dillon Harper, number two overall pick, San Antonio Spurs, as well as Carter Bryant, 14th overall pick. Flag came through with 31 points on 10 of 21 shooting. He was three of nine from deep. Also added four rebounds and a block in 31 minutes of action.

Looked much more comfortable on the floor compared to his first game. Battling against a Spurs squad that was locked in defensively for the entire game. Spurs won the game, but MAD fans in attendance were very happy leaving the arena. I was in the building, interviewed several of them. Said he has a very high feeling in the NBA, like what they saw from him in the second summer league game

That's even the shots he missed you know I'm saying you can see This ability to get the ball off had the ball high Things like that will Sunday Mavs announced they were shutting flag down for the remainder of summer league so these two games are all we're gonna get obviously to NBA preseason starts. But it's all the first game compared to the second game. What are your impressions of Cooper Flag in his first two Summer League games? Like what we see.

I mean, you know, you can see that just another game, you know, he's a little bit more confident, taking the same shots, right? You know, that's really the adjustment period is the shots that you take. Even if you're missing them, it's a different, because it's a different game. You know, you got zone in college, now you have man. So beating your man off the dribble, pulling up, taking those shots.

So it's the shots he's taking, and from there, he's just gotta perfect those shots. I don't think I would've, I wouldn't have shut him down for summer league. Because I need him to understand this spacing and understand where he can get his shots get comfortable with it because he don't get another taste of nothing until training camp and preseason, which that's

when the adults is here. Right. So you know, once the adults come in, you don't have room to test on their watch. So I would have kept playing them a little bit more just so he can get a feel and understand. So after summer league, he knows how to prepare for training camp. This side of the couch, can you? What's going down? So you didn't want to combine the first two questions.

You had to show two different games, sir. So you didn't want to combine them. Just ask him. It felt like a little month. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't want to combine them. Just ask him. It felt like a little much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't play Brownie in the second game. Yeah, he just... Fuck you, bro.

What the fuck is this thing? Same shit I said with the first question you asked. You don't care about something really? But I... And you still didn't care this weekend? No, he... The game don't change. Fuck this shit. First game, second game. He shot the same amount... If you still didn't care this weekend, no Game don't change

First game second game you shot same about five more made from my 21 10 for 21 second Yeah, make a three in the first game made five more shot in the second game. Okay, that's a big five more shots That gives from 10 to 30 Every piece is overly not impressive 30 pieces of summer league non-oppressive team. How many games do number one picks usually play in summer league? Now, zero to two. Like two kind of things. They don't play past that first weekend usually. No, so he played two. But you're saying you would have him play more?

Yeah, here's why. You've played 30-something games of college basketball, high school basketball, where your game was designed around that style. Zone, right, you know, move and cut and all that. And then, you know, you've been training for training camp or mini camp for, you know, summer league. So obviously they struggle because now it's it's like the Audubon, right? There's no green light, red light style like college is. So you, it's you. Audubon, right? There's no green light, red light style like college is. So you, it's you. So this is his first day. So these are his first two games of man to man cut other athletes. Like that's high level because in college,

how many players did he play against? That's like him. Summer league is kind of, you, you, you get to like the, the, the cream of the crop. And then, so from there then becomes training camp So you don't want you want you want him to get more experience of coming down here doing a pick and roll plan Seeing what his moves are Chances, I know I'm not coming of course logistic. I'm yeah, I mean the 30. I mean his first two games He's a great. I mean what he's done is aggressive. He showed me enough already I will play you try to dunk on a couple people, kind of landed off of me.

Stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I was thinking about injury. Yeah, I don't put the injury in it. So I just look at like, you know, just getting a feel for new style. I think we're in the age of social media

where you should be tested and resilient for the criticism and the praise you'll get into the preparation of the season. So him playing the whole duration of all of the summer leagues will prepare somebody like him who's gonna be facing scrutiny on his performances. So you give him opportunity to play bad in summer league, get all the kinks out, play good in summer league, get all the praise, try to win the whole little summer league, little tournament thing, right? Giving him the morale of understanding what he's gonna be looked

at. Like you're going to Dallas, a contender team, like you can't play backseat on and off games where you think you're gonna get the praise for it. Like the spotlight is on you, a hundred percent. So for me it's like you're you're handicapping him by allowing it to feel like you're putting him as a generational talent before he has to work for it. You're labeling him as something we're supposed to give him when he hasn't put in the groundwork for. And I think we're taking that away from the players and their ambition and their

drive. Cause we're giving them, reward them all this stuff that they even in summer league should have to work for. Shit, even in fucking even in fucking training camp, you should have to work for that. Like it shouldn't be because you're here. Here you go. Like just because the media is saying so. We have that picture.

You you're different. You are treated different with that pic. You're treated with white gloves. I hear you. White glove treatment. History as some of us. Arvin Bagley. James Wiseman. First pick. Not those. First, second.

He was the second pick. Wiseman second pick. Okay. Aiden. Wiseman. White glove treatment. Second pick. Wiseman was number one. Wiseman was not the first pick. Number two? Yes. James Wiseman was not the first pick. White glove. White glove treatment. Wiseman was number one. Wiseman was not the first pick. Was number two? Yes, James Wiseman was not the first pick. White glove. White glove treatment. Dion, Wimby.

Anthony Benna. Kwame Brown. I didn't plan to summer league. Kwame Brown. True game. Kenyon Martin didn't plan to summer league. White glove treatment. Obviously want flag to go out on top 30 piece,

not gonna get much better than that. White glove treatment. Hey, we seen what we need to see, we'll shut you down. I hear you, yes, but it ain't, that pick is different, dog. Like, they picking you for future. Like, it ain't, they ain't taking no chance.

That man came out to play two games. What's the chance? What chance are you? Roller ankle, Achilles, ACL, they ain't taking no chance with the summer league shit, bro. The same chance you're gonna have in training camp. That's cool, but our season is starting. We getting ready to play real games.

We taking that chance then. This shit right here, don't matter. You have a chance if you get hurt in the summer you can rest and you can break that ankle you can feel it before. Other people have done that shit, they not doing it. Blake, they shut him down. Them players hold rookie year.

Dudes not playing they hold rookie year for. White glove treatment dog. If they just that first pick is different than from two own you can say what you want to all that shit matters from two own yes I hear you that pick they ain't fucking around well we got a break off of this because we got a special guest making his first appearance in the arena coming off his best season in the league with the Oklahoma City Thunder which he set high for points rebounds assists and starts. Cosmic glue guy one of the most efficient big men in the league is also holding it down for the bright-skinned community 2025 NBA

champion of the world Isaiah Hardenstein. Welcome to Gill's Arena presented by 100 Dogg. What's up what you legend how you doing bro? Been good been good just resting a little bit trying to recover from the Yo, what's up? What's up? What's up? How y'all doing? What's up with you legend? How you doing, bro? I'm good, I'm good. Just resting a little bit, trying to recover from the parade. Little tequila in my system, so I had to recover a little bit,

but we good now, we good. Okay, so it's out your system now? Yeah, I'm good now. I'm straight, I'm straight. So let's get into that. You played an integral role in helping the Oklahoma City Thunder win their first and your first NBA championship so what's it feel like to be an NBA championship and what are some of the your favorite moments

from the finals run? It's amazing I mean especially my journey I think it was it wasn't easy think I waved waved once was on training can deal a couple times and so now just being able to be a key part in a championship team was something really special and just to do it with the guys we have. But I mean, before we keep going, hey Gil, you said 0%. Huh?

You said 0%. Yeah, I did. But the context is I'm a Laker fan and it was the beginning. So if we're gonna win it, then you guys have a 0% chance of winning I mean, I think that might have been like one of your worst takes and stuff like the international pimp. I'm from Germany When I got dragged I didn't have enough money to get overseas, so I couldn't

pimp out there. We'll make that happen. Damn. Is pimpin' prevalent in Germany? I couldn't get out there, all right? That was a nigger side just now. That was a nigger side, say, I got some fucking shit, bullshit, fuck it. Hey, hold up.

Zero percent chance this is not the white Harkinstein talking. Hey, but look, I'm not talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein.

I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I'm talking about the white Harkinstein. I got some fucking shit, bullshit, fucking. Hold up. Zero percent chance this is not the white hearkin's dying talking. Hey, but look, when y'all did win, I was celebrating though. No, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

I had a little Jersey on, but. He's on your side now. So, one of the best moments from the championship celebration was your son Elijah losing a battle to the ITIS, sleeping through the trophy presentation. We got a photo right here. It was a hard fought battle, but he took the L. Yeah, he was knocked out. He was knocked out for sure.

He was out. You said the crowd needed to get louder. They got louder. He still stayed asleep. My parenting skills went out the window though when the interview started. His head started flopping to the side. My whole everything my wife was like what are you doing out there? I'm like hey I can hold out a lot of emotions. Then she put the mic in my face. I just forgot everything. Shay and Chet helped me out a little bit.

Hold his head up! Hold his head up, hold your head up. Hey man, let me help you out. It was understandable man, that moment, the enthusiasm and all that man, yeah it's great that you was able to share that with your family man, that moment, that was special bro. It was definitely, definitely something special. So let's talk a little bit about the Thunder, this offseason they locked up the Big 3, signing SGA to a Super, Max Extension, Chet Holmgren, Jalen Williams to rookie max extension. So when you look at this Thunder big three,

what makes that big three so special in your opinion? I think what makes them special is that there's no egos involved. I think each game we're just trying to win and it starts with those three guys. I think one of my first games with Shay, he got trapped and I kind of caught in the pocket and I made the extra pass and I said like, oh sorry, next time I'm going to finish it. And he said, I don't care, just do whatever it takes to win. So even seeing that early where he's not caring about the stats, he's not caring about little

stuff like that, I mean all three of them do it. So just having those three guys locked in that are're willing to do whatever it takes to win. I think that's something really special. And then just how confident is this squad now? You won the first chip. Seems like you guys have a very open championship window with them being locked up. How confident is this squad moving forward

to think that you can repeat or possibly win some more chips in the near future? I mean, we're definitely really confident. I mean, even looking back in the playoffs, I don't even think we played that great offensively. Think shooting percentage was not great. So I think just coming in, even knowing we can do a lot better than we did,

this playoffs is thinking something, something you can build on and then just having the confidence that you can do it. And so I think it's just gonna just keep getting better and better, but you have to prove yourself again. Starts from zero You winning a championship last year doesn't mean anything. So we're gonna have to prove it again. I

Got something for you Following your game when you're in New York your emergence Coming out of nowhere for that team being able to catapult them to the highs that they were able to bring the city back For you to go to OKC And to take the team from where they were to where they are now as champions you and Mr. Caruso, I consider Corner boy Hall of Famers of this generation Knowing that you can do more offensively,

knowing you can do more for the team, you take that sacrifice, you play the dunker, you go get offensive rebounds, Caruso does all the dirty work. I wanted to take the time to give you your flowers for how much you've meant to both organizations and showing growth. I appreciate that.

I would love to see your game grow a lot more and get opportunities to show your scoring because I know you can and You know keep doing what you're doing, bro I think everything that you're doing is not gonna go Under value for the people who really value the game of basketball. Yeah, I appreciate that I think They just used have to be willing to sacrifice think if you want to win if you want to You just have to be willing to sacrifice. Think if you want to win, if you want to win championships, you have to sacrifice.

And I think that's what me and Caruso probably did the best. I mean, I think we all come in the league. We all probably scores at some times. But you just have to find a certain role, find a role where you can help the team the most. And I think I kind of found my niche in the league where I just make guys life easier but like you said I'm still just trying to keep growing keep growing my offensive

game especially but at the end of the day for me it's just doing whatever team needs to win and so yeah. Yeah I played hey I played 15 years doing that bruh. Making guys job easier so. making guys' jobs easier. So, right. Yeah. Hey, people love you for that though. Find your niche, bro. Listen, find your niche, stick with it, expect it, keep working on the other stuff

that you think you need to have, just in case the situation puts you in that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And you prepare for it, but other than that, man, keep doing what you're doing. I like the, listen, the floater, that shit, listen. People used to laugh at mine, like, damn, that's's awkward little shot.

That's the easiest shot you can take. From the dunker and the areas you play in, I perfected those, man. And you're doing an excellent job at doing that, man, and making plays and being aggressive when you need to be. But just doing all the little stuff, like you just stated, man, it's all about winning and doing what you have to do in order to affect winning, man.

So keep doing that. You're going to play a long time. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Yo, I got a question. Yo, how big was SGA's leadership throughout the whole year, especially during the postseason? I think it was huge. I mean, for us, it's just how calm he is.

I think he's always, he's never too high, never too low. And so when you just see it on a day-to-day basis, it just gives you confidence that your main player is high, never too low. And so when you just see it on a day to day basis, it just gives you confident that your main player is never, never affected. I mean, he's not like a huge, let's say vocal leader where he's saying stuff the whole time. Like he'll say stuff when he needs to be said. But I think just how he approaches the game,

how hard he works. And then also I feel like it was underappreciated with him. He also defends. So I think when you see your best player was also having, having a load offensively, still going back and giving effort on defense, I think just wants you, makes you want to play harder too. So I think just him leading by action, probably that's what made him the biggest leader for us for sure.

So I got a follow up for that. So we talk a lot on this show about the qualities of a leader on a team and how sometimes it isn't always necessarily the best player. But in your opinion, who is the leader of the Thunder Squad from a vocal standpoint? I think Caruso, AC. I think just he's been, he was there. I mean, he won a championship.

And so I think we just kind of listen to him a lot. I mean, he's a great, he has great IQ of the game and knows when to talk and not to talk. So he was probably definitely the vocal leader for our team throughout the season. So, and would you say, we debate a lot about this on the show as well, but Caruso bringing his championship experience. Don't do that. To the Oklahoma City Thunder. Really helped lift you guys to greatness this season.

He's really, he's really, he's the villain. I'm a Caruso fan. He does it. Former Laker, former Laker. Sad to see him leave. Oh my god. Happy that he's in a better place now winning chips. No, no, he definitely did. I mean, I love him. I mean, he's, he's, he does so much for the game and like, kind of like we said before he's he's ego-less and He just wants to win. He just wants to do whatever the team needs and I think there's I mean there's even times They'll play 15 minutes or play 30 and never complains and so it just just him being that leader for us But then also him Giving us like just the knowledge of like what it kind of took. I think that helped us definitely for sure

like just the knowledge of like what it kind of took. I think that helped us definitely for sure. Yeah. Yo, the fact that y'all still had like y'all went it celebrating and y'all had all that leftover liquor, man. Y'all got to get to it next time, homie. All right. Hey, the funny thing, AC was the only one who knew how to do the champagne.

So we had like probably the weakest champagne party of like all time. We were all surrounded weakest champagne party up like all the time. We were all surrounded AC. It was like a YouTube tutorial. That shit was whack. I ain't gonna lie. Like the words we got to it. We got to it with the tequila,

but the champagne, it was out of sync. It was, and then the lights went off and everything. And it was, it was, it was ass. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. No, but people appreciate the fact that y'all are not like young alcoholics, man. Like that's like, that's the bright side.

That's the bright side in it. You know what I'm saying? Like y'all dudes about y'all craft, man. And y'all going in there and doing it the right way. Not like our generation, trust me. Like we were. I ain't gonna lie. We were getting to it though, after anybody.

That's what we were getting to. I ain't gonna lie. We were getting to it though after anyway. I wasn't gonna lie. I wasn't gonna lie. I wasn't gonna lie. That was my next question. I was gonna say, cause I saw the next day, y'all went from some couple of dudes said they never had a drink the next day. I saw St. J. Dub had a whole bottle, 42 in one.

He had three bottles in one hand. I'm like, how big is this boy's hand? Like he had the box, the bottle and another. I'm like, yo, they got to it. Yeah, we had the 42 on deck. I ain't gonna lie. The parade was fun, man. I mean, I think just the thing, OKC has 700,000 people living in it and there were 600,000 people there. So it was crazy. Like the people out there, the love they have for the team was definitely, definitely fun for sure. We said 70,000?

That's what small markets deserve, man. 100,000. Yeah, they deserve that, man. Them people, they come support, rain, sleet, hail, snow, winds, loss. Oh yeah. I'm saying they deserve it, man. Shout out to Alex Corwin, so man.

Championship experience, two-time champion now. Yeah, no, he's great, because he actually contributed when he played. Did he? Yeah, he contributed when he was with the Lakers. He played, so whatever it was, he contributed. Contributed to this thunder as well. As well, I'm talking about, he knew how he knew,

yeah, he learned, he sat back and learned. Easier to pop the bottle of tequila, though, than popping a champagne bottle? Oh yeah, a lot easier. Okay. I've experienced that, so I was cool on that. But now, are you confident in your champagne bottle? Oh yeah, a lot easier. Okay. I've never experienced that so, I was cool on that. But now are you confident in your champagne bottle popping after this?

Yeah, it's gotten better, it's gotten better. So probably like a seven out of 10. Okay. So it's a little improvement, but it's okay. I'll tell you, all you gotta do is the other side of your family, they drink more champagne than tequila I'm telling you go over there Dual threat but so let's talk a little more SGA coming off the best season of his career Scoring title MVP finals MVP in a chip. So after OKC won the championship,

he said he thinks he's the best player in the world right now. Hard to argue, but I want to ask, and you talked about a little bit, but what's it like playing with SGA? And do you think he's the best player in the world right now? Damn, that's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I think he's proven it. I think he's done last year.

He did everything he could do offensively, defensively, and then he won it. So, I mean, that's the main thing. It doesn't matter what you do in the regular season. It doesn't matter if you have one good round. I think he proved it throughout the season and the main thing is winning. And he was really easy to play with. He's still a scorer, but he's still unselfish at the same time.

So I think that's that's what made it definitely cool to play with. All right. So during the period we talked about this, but you represent for the bright skin the community in your own words during appearance on the Roommate Show with your former teammates, Jalen, president, Josh Hart. I talked about being bright skinned and people being surprised to find out that you're black. So how does the energy shift once people realize you're black? It's a whole different like The first time PG found out his whole energy changed like it was he what we were cool before But when I when I when he found out my dad was black. He was like, oh shit

He said, yo, what's up? I'm like, all right. All right. All right. All right. How does that make you feel, though? How does that make you feel? I'm still the same person. I'm white and I'm black, but what's good?

No, you'll fuck somebody up, or you go somewhere, like, yo, what's up, my nigga? Listen, man. No, just fuck the blue, the red, and the black, put it like, what's up, my nigga? With the beard, with the beard and the old line. Listen, dog. You look like your name, Jim, like a motherfucker, Jim.

Jim, what is you saying to me, Jim McElveen looking ass up? Boy, I'm about to heat your ass up when you say nigga one more time. That's hilarious, bro. No, it's funny, man. We are out of pocket on this show. We have Five hard just let you know, okay, he really embraced that shit Let's talk a little bit about your career your first five season the league you started a total of 12 games Last season that numbers jumped to 102 including the career high 53 games this season So when you look back at your early years obviously playing in Germany, Lithuania G League in the path that you've taken. How did those experiences shape who you are as a player?

Shaped it a lot. I just kind of figured out what I needed to do to get minutes. I think that was the biggest thing. Just trying to put my ego aside, knowing what my biggest goals were. And I think I just did a good job adjusting my game and just finding a role, finding a niche in the league.

But yeah, it wasn't easy, but I wouldn't change it for anything because I learned so much throughout the process. But it's definitely you just definitely have to put your ego aside. I think that's the hardest thing, especially for younger guys coming to the league. I mean, we're all coming to the league. We were all the main guys. And now you have to try to sometimes change your role, sometimes find a niche in the league.

And for a lot of especially younger guys, it's pretty hard to do and so that's really just putting your ego aside and just keep working and finding different ways to get on the court. That's the main thing. So to piggyback on that, what was being said to you like in like in that regard was like teams or your agent, like what was the message being related to you on why the teams weren't like, so why you weren't sticking? It was always different. I mean, some were like, they give you the, you're doing great and you keep doing what

you're doing. So that's kind of where you have to be honest with yourself. You have to try to, cause I feel like there's always a reason why you're not playing. Yeah. Like there's always a reason. It might be your defense. For me, it was defense and rebounding. And so I kind of really focused on those two things that kind of became my strength.

And yeah, I mean, there was GMs back in the day saying you weren't an NBA player, player GM saying you shouldn't be, you couldn't play in the playoffs. And so now finally doing that, being the star on the finance team, it's definitely, it's a lot of hard work, but it's definitely a good feeling for sure. Yeah, yeah, big fuck you to people, man. Right now, man, I'm just- Preacher, you say that. Preacher, you say that. Yeah, no, I'm gonna say it for you.

No, because for me, I'm always, I'm a firm believer and a big believer in people, like, they come to you, but they don't tell you why, right? They tell you, okay, you keep working. Like, working on fucking what? Like, okay, I'm gonna keep working, but what in particular,

why am I not on this final roster? Why am I the one that's keep getting the short end of the stick in this situation? Like, what does it tell me? I'm gonna work on this final roster? Why am I the one that's keep getting it short end of the stick in this situation? Like what does it tell me? I'm gonna work on this. I think that's the hardest thing for sure. Just like people saying, oh, just stay ready.

Yeah. Like what does that mean? Yeah, yeah, what does that mean? Like just stay ready. I think that's the hardest thing, especially for younger guys. It's like the concept go to NBA things, just stay ready. When your time is gonna come, stay ready.

So I think that's where you have to just be brutally honest with yourself, work on the things that might not be so fun. Cause that's the only thing you just have to get on the court first. And you might just have to get on the court just playing defense. You might just have to get on the court playing hard. So it's, so I think sometimes, especially younger guys

have to just get away from, I just want to come in, do all these ISO scoring things. Now you just have to find a role and then you can build up that after that. And guess what? Guess what happens when you grind the way you did, because your story is similar to a lot of corner boys who had to go get it out the mud. That young nigga got paid, didn't he? Right, sure.

Did he get paid? That young nigga got paid, didn't he? He got paid for that grind and I seen it in real time. So that's what made me proud because I see you go out there, fight for them offensive rebounds, keep the team alive so Jalen Bruns can hit them shots. And you go home like an offensive lineman knowing that you kept that shit going, but you ain't gonna get no trophy for it. But hey, get paid, young nigga, get paid. Get paid, for real. For sure.

So, looking back on your career, we talked about the road to get to where you are now. Was there a moment early on in your career where you knew that you were built to play in this league and you'd be successful playing in the NBA? I mean, I think I always had the confidence I could do it, but I think where I really knew I can establish myself was probably with the Clippers,

where I started playing on a T. Louis, kind of let me play my game. But at that point, I kind of figured out what I had to do to kind of get a role in the league, just playing hard, playing defense, doing the little things, making, I think what I do pretty really good in the league that's special I make the Stars life easy and that's kind of what I really focus on is how can I make Shay Dough Chet's life a lot easier so I think and every every star is different

so I think my role is always figuring out what each person needs each player and then just going from there. So your career really started to take off with the Knicks. So I just wanted to ask you, what was it like playing for Tibbs, and how do you feel about the Knicks making the decision to move on from them? Yeah, I mean, Tibbs was great for me. I mean, I think, I mean, again, he's a great coach.

I mean, before that, I mean, I don't think they were in the playoffs at all. So just him coming, changing the culture was great. The only thing is, my first time playing for him, you just hear Jesus fucking Christ every time you go down to court, no matter what shot you shoot. Jesus fucking Christ! Every time. It doesn't matter if you shoot the shot you're supposed to shoot.

That shit don't go in. Jesus fucking Christ! Jesus fucking Christ! shoot, that shit don't go in. Jesus fucking Christ. Jesus fucking Christ. That's what I'm saying. What is this shit? I love it. But like, no, other than that, he's like one of the most prepared coaches in the league. It was great, great for us.

And again, they made it Eastern Conference Finals last year. So I don't know. I mean, that's, that Knicks just had to probably do what's best for them going forward. And I think they got a good coach in but again nothing look for love for tips Yeah, like you said made the Easter Conference finals were close to facing you in the finals Were you looking forward to facing the Knicks in the finals if they got there would have been a say yeah I wanted that I wanted I wanted I wanted to smoke in the garden for sure. I love New York, so I think it would have been cool

just to play against them. I think the Garden has one of the best, New York has one of the best fans in the league, so just playing that atmosphere would have definitely been dope for sure. I got a fan question. They said, what's the difference between Brunton and Shea, how they approach the game?

They're very, they're kind of similar in a sense I think they're both very mid-range dominant I think Shea is a little bit more I think has a little bit more I want to say wiggle to him a little bit but I think both very similar mid-range stable They both have this like shoulder that Probably not fun to guard. So maybe hitting them off over that shoulder Straight in the chest But both are similar both great leaders and I think it's They approached the game the right way.

And that's, so, no, it was great playing with both of those guys for sure. So talk a little bit about Brunson, obviously, Mike Brown, named Nick's new head coach. Rick Brunson was associate head coach when you were there. Reports are he's getting demoted to a lesser role, but he's on board with it. But there's a lot of talk and speculation

just about how much influence he had. So during your time with the Knicks, how much influence did Rick Brunton have on Tibbs' coaching stuff? I don't know. I mean, I think he was really good with Jaylen. I mean, he really got Jaylen to this point, I feel like, just coaching. But I mean, I didn't really feel anything like weird or awkward in that moment.

To be honest, I mean, Tibbs, first of all, Tibbs does his own thing anyway. So I don't think you can really influence him like that aspect. So, I don't know, but I don't really feel like an awkwardness or anything behind it, to be honest. Yeah, obviously Rick was on Tim's coaching staffs previously. Yeah.

So a more current question, fuck that, oh yeah, you're moving on from that shit, wait a minute. Have y'all talked about maybe as a team, y'all won 68 games this past year, right? Yeah. Has there been conversation about trying to get the record? I think probably when training camp rolls about I mean most of the guys are like I said trying to recover from all the tequila and stuff About it, but I think

Six more wins on the season, so I think I mean it's five more wins. Wait. It's six more wins on the season. So, y'all got six more. No, I think, I mean, it's for sure possible. But again, you never know. You have to start from zero. Yeah, of course. Again, I think we're, we do a good job of staying in the present moment. I think that's what made us really good throughout the season.

We never got, we never focused, like even the start of the season, we had goals, but we just focused day by day in approaching each game the same way each practice the same way and so I think I mean we definitely have the team to do it but again we don't really look that far ahead in that aspect so already well it's been what three weeks y'all still partying? Yes. No, I'm done. I've been done. Oh, OK. I'm done. I was like, right. I'm done. Yeah, right. He had that look like a... No, because it's the second time he said, yeah, we got to get a tequila.

Like, wait, wait. Oh, y'all still... We saw Jalen Williams in Vegas, and he was still living it up. But I get it. Hey, he had just got... They ain't going around like a rock star. I would too. I would too.

I understand him. Man, listen, it won't stop till August if I was them. I'm using all of July, man. We stopped like a week ago. We killing it. Y'all stopped as a group, okay. Summer league, they would've listened. I can't speak, I stopped a week. I mean, I can't speak for the people.

Hey, we all would've been at summer league. They all would've known we wanted it. As much as y'all are a team and partied together, and the whole summer league would've knew we was there. Should've had a parade at summer league too. There would have been drays after hours, there would have been drays after hours, we would have been at every beach club, hey we would have had the trophy in that bitch, we would have been, listen, they would have known.

Champs is here. Champs is here. So we got a couple more questions for you, appreciate you taking the time. Obviously you played with and against some of the best bigs in the league. Who is your toughest defensive matchup in the league right now? I mean, it depends. I think, I mean, Jokic is just hard to guard because he's so good at passing, but probably just like just straight one on one.

I think when Joel was healthy, I think Joel didn't mean just straight one on one. You can't, it's hard because you can't really be physical with him because he's, he could have drawing fouls. So strong and he can just do it from all angles of report. So it's probably between Joel and Jokic, but just like they're kind of different in those aspects. Joel is kind of more just straight ones and Jokic is like, you can't really play team defense on him so because he can pass so good.

So I think it's two different guys but at the end of the day those are probably the two artists that probably had to guard. I got a question for you without saying no names I'm not going to you know put you on the name list what team do you look forward to most? And you know you can get your shit off on. Me for me is most of the teams that are in the drop coverage because I get my floater off probably every time. So most of the teams that... T-Wolfs, Rudy, Houston, Tagoon and Elm, New York, Mouse Turner, Yoke Dropper, I'm not retired yet, I can't be talking shit like that.

You got a couple of parents next year. You're a champion now. You got Target on the back right now. Hey, don't let them feel you. Listen, I talked shit once to about the way way. Never recovered. All right. So yeah, you just you do you do how you doing? You don't want somebody to come in there trying to score 40 every time he sees you. I know the way way out there. I know the way way big out there. You are. Your shit. All right. So last question for there. You are good at that, Harkinstein. You talk, yo shit. Anybody out there fucking

with you? All right, so last question for you. You're born in Oregon, but you grew up in Germany, right? We've seen a, you're producing a pipeline of star and superstar level big men when you just look around the league. So what is it about the European style that has produced some of the most versatile bigs in the league right now? I think they just put us in different positions growing up. I mean, growing up, I was playing the three, the four, like I had the ball in my hand.

And so they do a good job of putting you in different positions. And then also we don't play, because I've seen like the AAU, they play like a million games, like throughout the summer, like we don't do that. Like we'll have like five days of practice and then we'll maybe play like three games on the weekend. So I think they do a good job of just instilling the fundamentals,

like going through practice, learning the game of basketball. And also the coaches like don't care. They're not gonna try to make you feel good or try to keep you on a team. They're really just gonna coach the game and feel like, and make you better as a player. And so I think that's kind of something that's a little different than the states where it's with the AAU,

you're trying to get the best players possible. You're playing a million games, million games throughout the summer. So I think that's a little different from overseas. Thank you for saying that. Yeah, thank you for you for telling a lot of people need to hear that. A lot of people they need to hear that man because they wearing they wearing these kids out like oh yeah wearing them out. They just making money. They're wearing them out. Pimpin. Don't take your kid over there get pim him down. See the line right there.

So you see the line in the sign. It's their trade. They're trading practice for games. So they're practicing five days a week, which is good. I'm playing playing on the weekend here. There's no practice and they plan on the weekend. Yeah, yeah, they they not practicing and practicing. So then they're learning. That's why I said most of the important part for their bigs is they're playing all positions,

right? So, you know, they're playing three, four, five, two, one. So they're gaining all these skills. So when they come here, they're more versatile. Yeah, they can adjust to all of them. Yeah. No, I think for sure, I mean, even like when I was growing up, my dad coached me And he just gave me a quarter where I was only allowed to pass the ball Because he just wanted me to work on my passing and stuff like that. So they're so process focused, too

So I think that helps us a lot where they just want to get us as most versatile as possible And now looking back just seeing how much it helped my game. It's definitely definitely something different Shout out to your pops as well Oregon legend look like a grown-ass man back in the dammit watching him playing the pack 10 against my older Brother so before we let you go on this show We take a lot of create creative license when we pronounce people's names for example your teammate Chet Holmgren some on this couch referred to him as Chet hologram Shrug with your name as well. So can we hear you say your name one time so we can appropriately say it

moving forward here on Gills Arena? Hardenstein. Okay, Hardenstein. Hardenstein. We're probably still gonna say the other one. Y'all good, y'all good. But it's always love and we know we're rocking with you. He black.

At least it's close. Somebody's name, they engaged some people on here, bruh. It ain't like, Gil has his own dictionary of words and names. And it was close. So just feel that we've talked about you enough that it's close. It's always loved. Yes. I love it.

When motherfuckers start calling you by your last name, you know you made it, man. So, Harkinstein, you did it. So, Harkinstein, you did it. So Isaiah Harkinstein, we appreciate you pulling up to Gills Arena presenting my underdog, Woot Woot. Woot Woot. Woot Woot. Wishing you the best of luck this season.

Niko, I was looking. Shout out Isaiah Harkinstein coming through to Gills Arena presenting my underdog, Woot Woot. Huh? Average double double this year. I was going to ask, is he outside? Is he outside? Are you in prison? We should be-double this year. I don't remember why he was outside. No, I was going to ask him. Is he outside? Are you in prison? We should be outside looking around for him.

Okay. He's got a championship. He's supposed to be on his phone. He's on the yard. He's on the yard. God, boy. But that's funny. I was thinking the same thing, but no, good to talk to him.

You have to be outside. Represent for the bright-skinned community. Yeah, you was being messy too, though, Joe. I was being messy. Like a motherfucker. I wanted to know. So tell me about how Rick Bronson was. I just wanted to know. I'm representing for the bright-skinned community. Yeah, you was being messy too though, Joe. I was being messy.

Like a motherfucker. I wanted to know. So tell me about how Rick Bronson was. I just wanted to know what his influence on the team. We hear a lot of reports from the outside. He played on the squad, said he liked playing with Rick Bronson. Wasn't a big deal.

Y'all talk about docking Austin back in the day. A little bit different. On this side we had to come. Yeah, he was the head coach. Yeah, he was making the decision. So he, yeah, of course he, yeah. We saw some diva chins on comments this past season about what happens when they let you run the show.

Just needed to know. But let's get to something that I feel like is gonna spark some discussion and debate on this couch right now. Bleacher Report chose violence this morning, releasing a new top 100 players of all time list, which is updated from a list they dropped about four years ago so according to BR this is a comprehensive top 100 NBA players ever ranking taking into account the

totality of each players NBA career cumulative and average stats awards playoff championships cultural impact and overall greatness let's just say it's gonna have some fan bases in their feelings so let's take a look at the top 20 if we can please Paulo. So you said cultural impact is in that as well. It is cultural impact and overall great. I'm glad you said that. Damn LeBron.

Who? I'm glad you said that. That was his cultural impact. Cultural impact and overall greatness. BR's words not mine. He's been two since. Alan Iverson is 36. He's 36.

That's why I like it. As soon as you put it in there. It's just two since. Alan Iverson is 36. He's been 36. That's why I like it. So as soon as you put it in there, that changes everything. It's a little piece. It's a small piece, but it changes stuff, though. So let's talk about it. It changes. We got the top 20. You'll notice. I mean, yeah.

AI's name not on the top 20. I ain't saying it has to be in the top 20, but 36. Yeah. Well, I should be able to get a thank you Can I read the list or you want your thank you? Oh, yeah You can read the letter. Okay, do you thought so Michael Jordan hold down the top spot LeBron at number two Kareem and third Magic Bill Russell Shaq Duncan Bird wilt and Steph Curry rounding out the top ten. Oh

Kobe Bryant was ranked 11th on The list with Hakeem KD Oscar Robertson Jerry West KG Yoke. It's Dirk David Robinson and dr J rounding out the top 20. This is the top 20 list according to a bleacher report This is a bleacher reports list. This is not any of our individual lists I just want to point that out before y'all say we said something that we didn't say. So Gil, go ahead. The floor is yours. The floor is mine.

I just want to say, can I get a thank you for challenging the voters about how championships rain culture mixing on how y'all voting with some bullshit. So now they moved Oscar Robinson out from nine nine even though they ain't been no stats changed He's moved from nine with his one ring that was in front And then if you look back at the people I was arguing with or arguing about with Pippen Being behind Alan Iverson Chris Paul and behind Allen Iverson, Chris Paul, and who else was up there? We had John Stockton. Now he's in front of all of them and none of them played. So when you say rings matter you better start using them. So the same bleacher report that did top 75.

This is their list and they changed their... They did a hundred and... Yeah they changed it start moving shit around now clay 75. Oh, yeah. Now you want to respect them the Marines again, huh? I mean clay getting respect on and off Shooter shoot Patience had had a conversation with a so how's this working again? So what about Bill Russell at five? There they go. Every time we talk talk about top 100 players list Because you know the last list Bill Russell was five No, no, what was five Bill Russell was six houses. They played in the same area one guy to one guy Let me got to make it make sense for me papa

Will stasso For bill Rebound with no stats all rings, right? Absolutely. So Sherri, when you look at this list, what are your initial thoughts, particularly Kobe Bryant being outside of the top 10, 11th on Bleacher Report's Top 100 NBA Players list? That was kind of hard for me. Kobe not being in the top 10. But I think when you look at the top 10, Kobe not being in the top 10, but I think when you look at the top 10 and And if you think Kobe I think Kobe should be in the top 10 who do you who do you replace?

as I'd say Bill Russell Not nothing good like the rings are the rings But I just The rings are the rings man. Where does carmel on? Well, because I if you say part of this is also like the cultural impact Like how much of the cultural impact? weighs in On the voting I probably little percent I can have at five. Yeah, just a tad bit.

I would probably have had Tim Duncan at five. I think Tim Duncan belongs in the top five. I would have like... Remember what I said earlier? Yeah. The disrespect. I like it. Kobe definitely needs to move over.

I mean, I mean, for now. You have Kobe. I'm putting them over. I'm putting them Kobe definitely needs to go over there. You have Kobe. I'm putting him over. I'm putting him. I'm moving Steph over. You're moving Steph out of the top 10? Yes. Mr. B, how do you feel about that?

You made some comments recently saying the media, by the time it was all set in the top 10, I mean, I knew this was going to happen. They would put him above Kobe. Yeah, I knew it. They got it right. I knew it was going to happen. You think they got it right by doing that? You all said and done. Yeah, I mean, I knew this was going to happen. They would put him above Kobe. Yeah, I knew it. They got it right. I knew it was going to happen. You think they got it right by doing that?

I said it was going to be top 10. So he's going to be top 10 with all said and done. Y'all niggas be doubling down on this shit is weird, man. That's too weird. It should be top 10. Doubling down on that is weird, too. That's too weird. Yeah, dawg, just to my...

It should be top 10. So they got it right. Did they get it right? Did they get it right? I'm putting Tim Duncan 5,? Did he get it right? Did they get it right? I'm putting Tim Duncan five, though. They get it right? Putting Tim Duncan five, right? Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely putting Tim Duncan five.

I mean, if you wanna take Bill out for Kobe, I mean, that's fine, but... Why is Stefan not top five? If he gonna just, if it's okay to just pass Kobe, why not pass everybody else? Why mention Kobe? Because I, like... No, why mention him when you could pass everybody else that's in front

of him? Why you do it? Because I guess, because he know, we know he don't deserve to be there. So it'll make the conversation a lot louder you passing him instead of passing Wilt. Don't you think he's better than Wilt? I mean, shouldn't he pass Oscar Robbins? Shouldn't he pass Larry Bird too? Larry Bird has three MVP's.

So Wilt Chamberlain doesn't have three MVP's? I mean by the criteria I mean... He's passed Wilt too right? Okay no matter where you put him, you put him at five. Why is it he gotta be in front of him? No where you put him at it still pushes everybody back. Yeah, like you said, so for me, like... So if he was nine or ten, and then someone gets into it,

whoever was nine and ten goes ten and eleven. At the end of your career, the only thing important is being in front of Kobe. So I'm flipping. That's what, I don't know if that's what Steph said. So I'm going... What he said? Yeah. You said you know what Steph said? I don't think Steph said that I what?

If you only something about being in front of Kobe, you know Oscar was in front of all of them He probably Brian is definitely top ten basketball player of all time. I don't get for where you want to put him at Right. Yeah, we're gonna put him in a list. They can put him But that's what I'm saying. But he's definitely talking about Kobe. You can't change history. I'll put him in seventh. You can't change the history of him. My thing with Bill Ross, right?

You can't go back and sit somewhere else. So my thing with Bill Ross. Yeah, you can't change it. Like, it is what it is. I mean, I would put Kobe in there. I would just take Bill out. With the team success and all that, what was like Bill's individual success is it doesn't match up to the

other dudes man as an individual winning yes it matters but in front of Tim yeah Tim Duncan is five I don't like for me Tim doesn't five I don't know but I'm rolling with that then I don't know. But I'm rolling with that. Then I'm definitely moving Kobe over. Whatever you have, we want to do Larry, Kobe, Wilt, like however you want to put them. I'm cool with it. I'm leaving Shaq on the top 10, but I'm moving. So however we want to do it.

What metrics are you going to be using? Kenyans. Okay. Kenyans have their own metrics system. Hey, that was quick. And that's the difference between yours. You can pair it with that shit right there. But that's the difference. That's what I go on.

No, that's not it. That's what I mean. That's just my ass, nigga. Try again. And I call this his reality list. Right? So why do you call this reality list? It's a panel of VR writers.

Motherfucker, nigga. Other personalities. Because that's the one that the world sees. That's the one reality is reality. right so why do you call this reality list it's a panel of VR writers other personality because that's the one that the world sees that's the one reality is reality right our list is our list it doesn't matter we can say I want media I want real I want Donkey Kong number one no one's gonna convince me that Donkey Kong can't be number one but if this is the list that comes out every fucking year over Mario brother that the public in the world sees then this becomes the standard of the list the criteria is a criteria if you understand what they're using as a criteria then the list makes sense because if you're trying to say that the list isn't right and

then I asked you what is your criteria and then it becomes it's my criteria then we can just put it so we're really just we just put anybody right other than Kenyans right so can we like just so I said I will move Bill Russell at 11 right okay the reason I would just his individual success like I said that okay his individual success is not greater than Kobe Bryant's or anybody or anybody else that's on that list. I agree. Therefore, you know what I'm saying? Just to say that he's not, he is deserving of it

if you're going by just, if you put his championships in front of individual numbers, cool, I hear it. But if we look, we're going basketball, and we're looking at what Kobe's impact was, his numbers, everything vision that he did It was greater than bill Russell's it was his team Bar, I'm saying he's fine. I'm leaving where that man where he is like I'm not touching the top three they cool for whatever but the fact that we really

dive into it and like I get what they got to be up, but it's no okay. What they're getting with Bill is this. Remember there's rules that's in play now that it wasn't in so finals MVP. So they're calculating how he played in the finals and how many final which is individual how many final MVP's he would have had but if if that rule was in right memory what it came in after I have a problem with this yeah you can't add some shit on that right and so that's the I know I know so that's why he's yeah but that's but that's the man but that's it's they're not using the finals MVP metrics against him. Yeah. So even though, you know, these people got they're not using it against him. That's how he sticks there. I got you. So they're not so like if you got like six or five,

they're not going to use it when they're going him. So he's kind of like protected because it wasn't created then. That's for a long time. It was like how like the thing that you were like even one spot won't change because it's yes so like easy you know how to have the Eastern Western Conference finals MVP now yes they're not gonna you like if someone has ten yeah they're not gonna use it against this list and say oh you get the past and because you got this individual award that wasn't created back then so so we've been fighting to make the media's list irrelevant, right?

Yeah. So why are we making it irrelevant right now? Because your vote don't count. No, I'm not making it relevant. I'm confused at how I'm supposed to take it serious when we're trying to fight to not take it serious. Because we still have to acknowledge that as an issue. Why? Because you can't explain it. Why? Because when someone asks you to acknowledge it. Why are Why? Because you can't explain it.

Why? Because when someone asks, we acknowledge it. Why are they more important than us? We are now the new media. And if we make the list, nobody cares. They're going to say, well, this is the new list because the players made it. But we're one to still make this list relevant and it's all fucked up We don't even got Allen Iverson in here Allen Iverson died culturally relevant, but like just

Why are we making a risk relevant? It's a making irrelevant percentage We're looking at like me I'm using their materials and all this other shit. Why? Black and white thinking person that I think black I agree with it or not So I'm able to look at it as much as I praise Chuck. I think Alan Iverson personally Absolutely, but I'm taking my personal shit out of it he ain't got no championships he did so it's a lot of he got a lot of a lot of MVP so it's a lot of things that's going against him when they're doing this list do I think he's 36 absolutely fucking not but this is not a I test it's not a I test so therefore well if I'm being real is do I 36 is little harsh facts but if it's all the criteria and things that they put into their If I'm being real, 36 is a little harsh.

Facts. But if it's all the criteria and things that they put into their list, then it's, I'm like, Chuck's resume is top 10. All time, just resume. I feel like the media criteria has always mattered in everything we've done since we was growing up. So Chuck has all NBA NBA all-star appearances and one MVP remember whose list if I say all defense a team so if I'm saying my top ten yeah say it again

yeah we're not we're not using our top 10. For scoring titles. But we gotta know that some of these accolades are obviously media voted on. Scoring title is not, right? Scoring title is an accomplishment you get by. Yeah, it's whoever leads, but- It cannot be debated.

MVPs and all that are created by the same people. Media votes, MVPs. So you can't say the media vote don't matter because it does. It's always been. It actually does. Did they get it right? Did they get it right? When top 70, did they get it right?

Top 75 happened, when top 75 happened, we all say Clay should have been there, right? Yes. Was he there? No. No. So it matters. So why would it matter if we all think it? Why would it matter if we all think yes and they got no, why would we take it serious?

Because he, because he don't have the jacket. Because he wasn't there. It wasn't there. He wasn't on it. So it matters. So you can't say. It matters to him. It don't.

It don't. No. It don't. We can't speak for him. Can I speak for him? It only matters to the people. It don't need to matter to. This is the real question.

That shit matters to Kyrie. No, this is the real question that no one ever thinks. Because we're using our eye tests and our feelings for everything If we look at the top, let's say If you just put Oscar Robinson back to where he was right now, right when this list first came out in the 90s The first person to break the top ten was Shaquille O'Neal. Okay, right? He was the first person to break it now if I say alright everyone's upset with the Cove in

2004 with his three rings where would he had actually been when he had been top 30 player in history He wouldn't have been top 30 at that time, right? Even though he has three rings because he don't have no accolades at that because he was young when he got it Right. So those three rings he wouldn't have been a top 30 player yet Right if you start looking at it like that the next person to jump in would have been Tim Duncan Right so Kobe would have been the following when he won what is fourth or fifth ring Right that's when he would have actually physically got into this list So he would have got into this list like it says in reference if you go back he was

he was top 10 in 2011 after he won his second ring. Now what happened since then got injured. Right. He got it. He played a couple years then he got injured. So he hasn't moved. He wouldn't have moved past anyone if you really think about how the list and how he moved the only people who came into this

list since then so since 2011 when he would have broken with his fifth ring the only two people would have been LeBron James and now Steph Curry that's it right it's not like he got the finish. When you look at it from the standpoint, like you're saying five rings, but you have to like break it all the way down. So that's really just the... I dig it. I understand. I just...

Yeah. That's all. It's just he didn't get the like... He got hurt in the 2000... What is Achilles? It's not like he got to just pound on the rest of his stats to finish his completion to move down that list That's that's how that's what I track So it makes all the sense in order

Yeah, Kevin offended like that's what I'm saying Kevin finish 12 Depending on how he finished the defendant depending on how he finished. Yes three more years and finishes. That's He's gonna keep moving, he's still active. So you still got, because you still got Jokic, you still got Janis coming. But they gonna have to roll out. Janis 24th. Everybody else, like everybody else,

since they're dead stats. There's this, everyone is dead stats. I get it, I get it, I get it, I get it. The top 10 changing? The only people that can come in the top 10 now is Kevin Durant, Nicole Nicole, the low yokesh in bead yonis yonis Down the road

You're talking about people where? We like that That place three more years at some point. He's gonna be what nine or eight? You're gonna move He will move like this so if he doesn't win another championship he still moves Just individual numbers. Yeah, because number two number two number two only has her so did they Number nine has to number eight has three. He got four. So I got so what I mean I call NBA all-star. Yes yes if they got we asked a chat if I got you

You're got the list as the couch. Okay, the list right? How do we feel they get the list, right? My I'm gonna go in my personal opinion. No, I just put a bill Russell thing, but I Understand what what the list is? Yes. How do you feel like they got this right? I? Think I know the answer. No, they didn't get them. Okay, yeah. Can you say no, Mr. Big? No, I don't think they got it right. I'm putting Kobe in the top 10. Okay. So, no, I don't. So, Shalak, I hear you. I'm moving to Duncan Higher. So, Shalak, I hear you. I'm moving to Duncan Higher. But that's why we have our own personal. Yeah, I know. Because our criteria has no logic to it.

We use whatever we want to move our list around. So it doesn't have logic. We don't need logic when it's ours. But is it your logic, though? I'm just saying. It's our logic. Yeah, it's our logic. It cannot be lauded to an outsider.

What I'm saying is, if you said, all right, so these are the 10 criteria that you have to use for your list, then we're not going to like the criteria. Then we're not going to like it. So what it is, if you gave me, like this is what I have to pick for my list, then I'm going to be like, oh fuck this list once I realize the player that I want somewhere, I can't do it, so I'm like fuck all this list. So me and Gil stated this on this couch before, and the gentleman and the people that's watching

us in the chat that's ever been through this can understand what I'm about to say, Gilda, what I'm about to say. So if you ever been to child support court, right? And you got multiple kids or you got kids and they trying to figure out what your number is, right? They put everything, everything, kids, finance, mortgage, car payment, everything that you do, they put all that shit in the computer and the computer spit out a fucking number.

It's called a Düsselmasser. They put that shit in there and it spit out a fucking number. That's what this is. They put all the information in the computer, all things equal, whatever it is and and us, what we do is, we want to put, we want to take, well we don't want to put everything in the motherfucker's Dizzle Master, right? We want to pick and choose. As the husband, like, why the fuck you putting that in there?

This ain't got nothing to do with it. Or, yeah, so we in there, motherfucker, arguing for everything, right? Why you putting what I feed the dog in the Dizzle Master? Like, the dog, I kill the dog, but the dog won't be on this motherfucker, then what? Right? So it's shit like that. Are you a lover of animals?

No, no, no. I'm not a lover of animals. I'm making a point. I ain't not. No, no, no. Yeah. I got it. You give your dog records. We're there just fighting in the court. Like, no matter what they try to put in,

we just, as being who we are, we gonna fucking argue and fight it. Or, in my case, they would try not to put everything in. I'm like, no, put everything in. So it's, you gotta understand like what, like I get it and it's, we all are emotionally attached to this and the fact that, and Rashad says it all the time,

and it's unfortunate that Kobe is not here to speak for himself, right? He says it all the time, right? It's just unfortunate that he's not. But the number's not gonna change. The number's not gonna change. You know there was a list in 2018, 2017. Yeah, I dig it, but I'm just saying, but right now in 2025,

No, but what I'm saying is- Continue and- No, but I'm saying in 2018, this was a list, 2010, it was a list, 2014. It's been here the whole time. It's been here then. So if he was here, he'd disagree with it then, I'm pretty sure he would disagree with it now. Can I ask you a question? Yeah.

And this is just, we remove our feelings, and we say, all right, you know what? Let's take our shit to court, right? And you say, you're better than me. And I'm saying I'm better than you. And we go up to court, and we gotta bring everything we have done in this sport. It looks very different than you saying,

I test I'm better than you. But I'm walking in with all these fucking trophies and shit like this, but you keep saying you're better than me. Right? You know what I mean? Here's my evidence, God damn it. Keep bringing this shit in and you keep saying, oh, I'm still better than you and you got your little Little cart engine like car when you know, I mean like think about the other side, right?

I'm near I beat you. He's a awning. I'm faster than you but we are here's my time man. Fuck all that time shit, man Yeah, I mean fuck all that and that's what I mean. That's the reality of it and people don't think of it like that Like there's another side that's like saying wait when does this when does my accolades my accolades are saying something different? You're using what ifs but this is the same the same people who are giving out the accolades or the same people who are wrong Right. Yeah, so we supposed to be raising the accolades that are given out Are we supposed to be praising the accolades that are given out by the media who gets it wrong? Yeah. Right? Because the one guy would have got more credentials and accolades if they didn't hate him, if he didn't catch that thing.

Right? So he would have gotten a lot of more hardware based on media perception that we're so easily caught in and fighting against. But we're not using it in the metric Are we what if you can't ignore? No, actually how do you have how do we make some mom? No, no, we're talking about media Perception right when the media can vote for some shit and vote not for some shit So I can get Kobe an MVP or not give him an MVP and how many he gets is it matters right in our list, right? hmm How can we get him at 11? We're not gonna give him the MVP and how many he gets is it matters right in our list right hmm how

can we get him at 11 we don't give him the MVP's he deserves who's gonna fucking audit that it ain't gonna be the players what I've been trying to do but I ain't strong enough to do that shit by myself we don't have to fight for the past we just got to respect it you have to fight for nobody to be in front of nobody just respect everybody's body of work I like complete body of work I for the past, you just gotta respect it. You don't have to fight for nobody to be in front of nobody. Just respect everybody's body of work. I like complete body of work. I think the list is flawed

because a lot of guys got a lot of body of work that's being skipped over. That's why the top 75 list doesn't have numbers to it. It's an honorable, it's an honorable, it's an honor roll. Every, there's no list, it's just a bunch of players that they honor. We're honoring these guys. So when you look at it, it's like why can't we just honor everybody and not put a number to it?

I know Cheryl Seuss was one of the coldest motherfuckers to ever shoot, dribble, or collect a championship. I'd have to put her number two, three, four, or five. Because she want to know where she stands. She don't need to know. She just know she's one of the best. Four time NBA champion, three time NBA champion. That's not a... No to know where she stands. She don't need to know. She just know she's one of the best. Four times everybody. Three times everybody.

That's not a bad number. She want to know. She don't need to know. She want to know. Listen, she don't need to know. Where you going, man? She don't want to know. She supposed to know, though.

She don't want to know. You got to pay me if she want to know. See, you want to know, Marley, I'll tell you where you at. Come give me the bread. I'll tell you number one, number two, number three. It isn't. I'm about to stand like you want to know. Yeah, we're in control of that, though. Nobody else is in control of it. the bread I'll tell you number one number two number three. I'm about to say it like you want to know.

Yeah we're in control of that though. Nobody else is in control of it. The real problem is is everyone hates the information that is just right there right? No no no one wants to like a list of the list. Either you can say fuck the list or you can look at it and say, all right, how does this list even make sense? All right? Like I wanna make sense of it so I know how you vote.

You taught me that. Do you remember the argument? It was six men in a year. And I said, Cody should be six men. And you had a young fella. And then I said, well well in the last 20 years this happened and you said nigga I said 30. Well that 30 actually showed me something and what it showed me was even though the metrics I had said Kobe

White those next ten years the guys who won it did the same thing Youngfella did, and that was win an award, right? Gord, was it a Jorjic? Won an award, made an All-Star, that's most improved. Then you had Derek Armstrong, six men in a year, that's most improved. Wasn't anyone an All-Star. So the metrics is that all those things

overstepped it and that's what I didn't see. So, once you look at it and you start looking at the metrics, there's no what if. There's no... There's no bias to it in a sense of now voting it. Yeah, there's bias when I'm

voting the original stuff like yeah, I don't want to give you the MVP, but you can't use I should have had inside of this. Because there's somebody who's sitting there with five or six MVPs and you're talking about, yeah, you know, I'm better than you. And I'm like, how? Here's the how. Here's my trophies.

So, if who's voting for the awards don't matter, then I have ten all defensive, all MBAs. 10! All defense. All decade. All MBAs. So how many of these top 10 guys have 10 years of

all defense, all offense, and championships. Can I, can I? Can we answer that question? I can answer it. Who? I can, no, I can answer the question. Who is it? No, no, no. The question is who? Who up there has ten and ten? Tim Duncan. One. Michael Jordan. Who else? Nobody? No. Okay. So does 10 defense of all NBA 10 defense, does that matter at all? No, see, that's the right question. No? No. Does it accolade? No, I see that yes the right question. No, no matter Does that accolade? Yes exactly, but it don't matter not as high as the other accolade. Oh Yes, I tried to give you the the accurate. I'm not fighting. You ain't trying to try to give me no

I tried so you can understand You want to Keep battering this Kobe shit is I told y'all this, y'all keep battering this Kobe shit. It's 10 other niggas to fight for. You keep battering the Kobe shit. 10 other niggas to fight for. 10 other niggas to mention. We are.

10 others. We are. We did, we said Bill Russell, we said Tim should be over Bill. So Bill should be out the top 10. Here, let me answer. Kobe should be in the top 10. Let me answer his question.

They said they got the list right. No. Nobody asked. No, we all said, he said the list was wrong. Logan Stephens in the top 10, the list is right to me. About 85% of the chat said that they got the list wrong. Right, let me know nobody List is right to me Logan step in that top so this is right So since I'm the one who did the research that nobody likes that I did right and they just want to bypass that I

Actually sat down and broke it all down. I can ask you Kenyon, first team all defense, right? You make that list. Think, no, no, I'm just saying if you make that list. Oh, if I make, no, no, no, just say if you make the list. Let's just say top, top five, just say all defensive team. Is that considered, those players on there, are they considered the best players in NBA? No, right? So somebody can be on that, that top five as a defender, but he is not considered good in the NBA, right? Okay.

So the defense that people use is not rated high in points. See, it's a point system, right? Point, which makes you good. It goes, MVP first, you get the most points. See it's a point system right point which makes you good it goes MVP first you get the most points MVP most points you the best nigga in the league Scoring title remember scoring title is you verse everybody. It's the field that's second first team all NBA that's top five in the whole league

First team all NBA, that's top five in the whole league. Second team all NBA, right? Then defensive player of the year, then third team all, you see how many points we done went down before we got some defensive shit when it comes to top five defense. Sounds like discrediting to me. No, I'm just saying, no, no, no, I'm saying I'm going off a point system.

It doesn't sound like discrediting to you. No. No. OK. You sit here and talk to them. It sounds like the all NBA defensive teams don't mean as much as other things. They don't. When playing both sides of the basketball means everything.

You can still be full of box. I'm trying to tell you what the fuck. So if you're playing both sides of the ball and you're winning championships, is that not enough? Does all NBA take into account offense and defense, where that not enough? All NBA taking account offense and defense where obviously all defense doesn't take into account offense. 15,000 points in two different jerseys.

See, you are all stuck on Kobe. You're the one that's stuck on Kobe, man. We're just talking about a system here. He's my favorite player. We're just talking about- He's my favorite player. I'm talking about the idea of- Period. He's my favorite player. We're just talking about- He's my favorite player. He's my favorite player.

We're just talking about- Why would I be crying for my favorite player? I cry for my favorite player, don't you? We're just talking- no, see, no, we don't. I do. We're supposed to be unbiased. We're supposed to be unbiased. There's no way I can have Sean Kemp on here, so no. We're supposed to be-

I just can't. Can you top 100? I can have Sean Kemp on here. So no, I just can't Okay, so I can have me in there too since people don't since people don't Since we're talking unbiased right and we're talking about how it's votes across the board Right, not just for one player because he asked him we're talking about how it's votes across the board, right? Not just for one player, because he asked him. We're talking about across the board. Now, these guys are first team all NBA. Now you tell me where they're ranked in the NBA. Luthor.

Or ranked in a. I'm just saying, would it would he be considered a top five player for these points to actually be that high? I don't even know if he's top on that. No Right now. Dyson Daniels Amen Draymond Green Evan Mobley

Zubak Jayden Williams Kamara Rudy Goldberg Jaren Jackson Jr. Right? So if these guys won ten of them, does that ten actually help them move into the top? There's not a lot of points on the defense. That's what the research showed. The research showed that what people talk about in the media and these

these these languages that they use wasn't matching here. They would have like just if that equals one point yeah one point for being on our defensive team and you don't have anything else to go with it. That's why I said it's easier if you just follow the same metrics that I follow. MVP, you get a thousand points for it. Score and tie, you get 900, right? First team, all offense, you get 800, 700, 600. And then you will kind of see how they come up with the list.

Hence why last month, because of the metrics metrics I said when the new list comes out Kobe fans and Kirby fans not not real Kobe fans them Kobe Kobe fans this is two different people um them Kobe Kobe fans and them Kirby fans are about to be at war because I looked at the criteria I'm looking counting stuff points and I'm like, oh shit. This is about to happen pretty soon. And it happened a week later. And it's just all metrics, man. It has nothing to do with our feelings. Shit happened a week later.

It's not our feelings. Listen, our personal list is our personal list. That doesn't change. Not facts, not facts. That's why I said, I can't argue. We're arguing our personal list. There's nothing we're gonna tell each other Like if you say KJ Martin is number two, there's nothing I can tell you that you know what?

That was some good ass information. I didn't even I didn't take that in consideration. Let me go ahead Who how you feel that's why I say I you can't you can't argue opinion There has to be a standard and you feel that's why I say I you can't you can't argue opinion There has to be a standard and you argue that with just straight facts If you agree with this list you a player they called you and asked you What kind of list do you want? Y'all voted for this shit collectively Y'all are now part of the list

So any players that accepted this shit as it is you part of the list. You're the voting system. So any players that are accepting this shit as it is, you're part of the fucking problem. You know, I mean, all the fans that voted, I mean, you gotta remember, all the fans that, I mean, all the ex-players, them Hall of Famers, Kareem and all of them, right? All the famers and winners, just those people,

voted for the top 75 They voted like it wasn't media. It was it was NBA players Curry had a vote Yannis had a vote right LeBron all them had votes But nobody realized that clay Wasn't on it Tony Parker wasn't on it. I mean we got how many championships you got for a while. Yeah Manu wasn't on it. Tony Parker wasn't on it. I mean he got how many championships he got for a while. Yeah. Manu wasn't on it. The Piers, the Piers is saying the same thing. I'm just, I've just been poking so much that they finally moved Scottie

Pippen. He's moving his ass down. This is why I kept using Scottie Pippen. If Scottie Pippen is considered the number one robin ever, right? With six rings, how the fuck would you have John Stockton in front of him? That didn't even make sense to me. He can fall two, but if you're saying this is the number one guy and he has six rings, how is John Stockton this far in front of him? That doesn't even make any sense. They're both in the same position.

One is a winner with his accolades. So you can't keep it like that. And obviously this new one, they changed it. So we asked the chat, who do you rank higher all time? We gave them Kobe and Steph as options. So we asked the chat. Who do you rank higher all time? We gave him Kobe and Steph his options 79% of the chat pick Kobe 21% pick stuff neither here nor there but just a little people are saying but let's talk a little more Kobe But it would have been a whole celebration. It was opposite. Yeah

Say if that percentage would have been opposite See see see, see. No, wait, I don't need, I don't need, I don't need the points. This is about the fans though, right? The people here, the people. The fans. The fans. And hopefully a large portion of that chat will download the underdog app, use promo

code, get up to a thousand dollars in bonus cash plus a special pick up trying to get the lights on. But there's been a. It's a phone. Yeah. Sure got the futuristic. Okay. trying to get the lights on. But there's been a, it's a phone? Yeah. Sure got the futuristic. Okay.

Got that foldy. So all I hear is you just come stunt and then when we acknowledge the stunty, this old thing ain't no big deal. The new way of flip, I like it. So I can just throw it in. Compact. It's an iPhone?

No. Oh. I don't do iPhones. Okay. So there's been a lot of discourse about Kobe Bryant lately, but one thing is for certain many have forgotten what Kobe was doing in his prime. So recently Ball Don't Stop had to remind everyone just how dominant Kobe was, put up the following graphic.

Share this in the chat. Yes. But P.O.T.S. features some of Kobe's accomplishments from 2003 through 2007. Very long list. Obviously, as you can see with the caption that read, in part, if social media was a thing during Kobe's prime, I truly believe the best ever debate would be a lot different. These numbers hit really different then because it was a half court defensive oriented game.

Scoring 40 was a very tall task. Even after all these years, I think this peak is the closest feeling to those prime wilt numbers. The game is about a bucket. So we'll let you digest all those stats. February alone when he was getting off, 2005, 2006, all the things he had going down. Yo, he was leaving, listen, dog. Torching people. With the headline, imagine this happening in today's social media era. You know, NBA Twitter would be a blaze. Disgusting this, but.

Show me that eight other motherfuckers have got that type of shit. He was a fucking hell. Very first question. So, Shoutout, I'll ask you first. You agree with Bottom Stop's assessment of Kobe and how his career would be viewed if social media was more prevalent during his peak?

I would go a little bit further, just if he never changes from number eight, stays number eight, number eight was a different, number 24 got compared to Mike, number eight was on his own shit, number eight was on a mission. So if that distraction don't happen, man. We don't know what the hell was going to happen after that 81. Year after that, somebody keep

poking that motherfucker and getting the matter of matter. It took that shit to calm him down and change his life and change the number and everything. So I mean, I just remember the behind the back dunk on Vince and y'all bro Denver. That's all I remember. It was just like, yeah, I'm gonna try that. Left handed though. So yeah, Kobe's irreplaceable. Mr. Beard, we'll shift to this side of the cup. Do you agree with the bottom stops assessment of Kobe and how his career would be viewed if social media was more prevalent?

He was doing these things during the now current social media era. No, facts, for sure. For sure, these numbers are crazy. Numbers crazy. James Harder had something like this too, that he was doing, if I'm not mistaken. Yes.

But no, these numbers are crazy though. It would have been definitely crazy. Yeah, this shit was in half course setting, dog. It's like that motherfucker loading up. Zoning the fuck up. I ain't need loading up. Triangle two. Nah, nah, this shit, bruh.

I'm sure about yourself when you look at a small sampling of Kobe. Kobe was a problem. I do feel like he is disrespected. I think people tend to forget this, like what he was able to do. And social media is just very different today than when Kobe played.

So yeah, I would absolutely agree with that. That's some crazy numbers. Very, very crazy. Last but not least, guilt. When you look at these numbers, Kobe's putting up 2003 to 07. Do you agree with Baldwin's stopped assessment of Kobe and how his career would be viewed if social media was more prevalent? During this time for art is and he would be viewed better or worse. I think the assumption is he would be viewed better

Would be elevated in the greatest of all time debate These are the most people fucking delusional? Like I'm confused at the delusion that we are having in social media. You're saying this Kobe right here, 2003 to 2007, would have been praised in this era where they would have called this empty stats, right? Because this is not the years he was winning, right? They would have called it empty stats. They would have called it ball hogging, right? It was like James Harden, what was this career?

How do they call, what did they talk about him? We just watched the person win MVP championship and they discredited because of free throw merchant. You don't like nobody. The fuck are we talking about? You don't like Joel Embiid. You don't like Lucas stats. You don't like anybody. The fuck are we talking about? You don't like no one. No matter what what someone does you discredit their body of work LeBron James his age You don't like it. You don't like shade this year. You don't like it. Look at all He don't play no defense niggas average all the points and all we don't like it You don't like Joel and beat and his shit. You don't like Jason Tatum. You don't like it. You don't like nobody. So you're saying oh

We don't like nobody so you're saying oh We don't like Kobe doing this But you're liking Kobe because you know Kobe if you take Kobe erase his name from your memory and then put these stats in Here you're gonna hate it. Just like you hate everybody else You hate everybody Who do you like in this league? I'm sick, but start curry. No, but listen, I'm sorry. Oh, don't he got I'm sick, but You're like all second options bro, he's got three rings no

We put this witness just this way you put this window in today's game with no success Just just just just brought just your killer killer in it you you're discrediting it 80 you're saying he's not winning that's not the same conversation it's the conversation and imagine this 2003 to 2007 uh-huh this is post championship uh-huh post yeah that means Lord of the Rings Rucker Park Kobe Bryant. Uh-huh. Remember that guy? After that, so this is the guy from this time to this time Amazing mm-hmm What's the dispute about? Knowing that this the way he did it how he did it the relentlessness and all of that mentality shit

Is not the same as a shade doing it or anybody else today. It's not the same. It's not the same. Because he won two after. He won two after. So LeBron James, when he won, the years he didn't win, just putting up stats, what do they call that? I'm just saying, you see what I'm saying? There's history here that showed that you guys wouldn't appreciate it

It's appreciated then because it wasn't supposed to happen in the zone and double and there wasn't enough points So the value of this right here is more impressive Then how is the more impressive then? There's nobody who can do this you think he would be able to go through a case and do these numbers back then? I mean, now? What case did he go through? Oh, no, girl. He won two out of the cast. What case are you talking about?

Show me, which year? Because they don't have the case year here. Since you are a Kobe fan. Which case? 03, 04 is the case year. That's not here. February 02 is that hey oh 203 regard bro, oh god, let's he's going through it bro regardless I'm going through we can oh and this is a part of the social media era of him Having to go through that and get over that while doing this in a zone and all this other shit like today

It's more appreciated here. He would kill double No, it's more appreciated here going through all of that and still going out there and performing and backing and doing off It's performed here. Here you niggas don't like nothing. I can say if you appreciated greatness then hell Yeah, they would have you would be drooling over shit like but you don't You don't Kobe man, listen Kobe going through the charge and coming out doing this. They gonna be like, yo, he's like, they was like Anthony Edwards. They gonna crazy off Anthony Edwards.

Because he doing this off the court. Bro, they was embracing that shit. I'm telling you. If he going through court and then coming out doing that. Torrey Layne's come out blazing. Torrey Layne, I'm about to kill him. Do y'all watch yourselves? Pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop pop And then you go with Jalen Brown We don't like who you like Niggas you like we didn't pick Jason Taylor we picked Jalen Brown bothered you again It bothers everybody when we go against the grain. So why not go again every time just to bother niggas?

I appreciate cuz they could be bothered Let him be bothered and watch them man. Just I get it. I get it. You just watch thank you He just did it he's bothered no, he just did it in real time Why would he appreciate the greatness in real time when he goes for just bothering? people when he goes for just bothering people for doing what you do, you see what I'm saying? so, no, he wouldn't appreciate this because whoever is on his team that's who he would have been rooting for he's not gonna root for the star, he's rooting for the underdog

that's what everybody's doing, that's why I'm saying we're, we're, we're, we're, this era of basketball are not respect. We had a nigga who came in here with a 30 triple double. Then y'all forgot Westbrook had four of them joints. Four triple doubles. And we said what? What'd they say about him? They called it staff batting.

So his whole history is just, fuck it. Staff batting. Kevin Durant, what is his history? Think about everybody, what is that? What is this? Oh, look at me just jumping shit. He's just like Right the bond James. Are you calling people? There's no Appreciate it. I'm just I'm sorry appreciate loyalty Appreciate Steph Curry's legacy with the same team and he's winning championships doing it. Well, we appreciate that real shit.

So you're saying like we appreciate that shit. You're trying to double the triple, not duple team this nigga, he out here scoring 50 every night. For me, like, yeah, for being in like in the league, right, 2003, 2004, that was my fourth year, right? Nightmares. Right 2003 2004 that was my fourth year right Nightmares fucking nightmare Street listen 2005 2006 though. I was in Denver then Thousands of course the next year. Yo, he was giving y'all business over there. Yeah, you had to see him full time. Yeah No, I got to the point. No, no, this is this is real shit, dog. We came out of a timeout. I listened.

I wanted to see what the game, you know, game plan was going into the timeout, come out of the timeout on this motherfucker, man. Like, we go in, timeout, and he ain't change nothing, right? Right after the timeout, I said, hey, y'all, come here, man. Hey, if they throw it to him, I'm gonna run at him. Like, Listen we're not finna keep watching this man play one-on-one man. We're not we're not finna do this. We're not. So I'm gonna run at him get the ball out

his hand Dante if you let him catch this bitch back dog. We heard the story. So real shit don't hey you let him catch it, cause just, we gotta do something. Cause yeah, hey man, real time. So it makes sense that these years, because we were trying to stop him. Yes, trying to. There was no, there was no, there was no, there was no come down,

switch, get a big on you, you take a. Oh hell no, he wanted your best defender. So why would, that's what I'm saying. That's the crazy shit, go ahead. Why would this era be appreciating of something that they don't actually consider great defense? Yeah, yo, right. So you know to me one? Consider it great defense. He won two after this though. No, we're talking about If you send the defenses weak now and they don play defense, and this is watered down basketball,

how can you then say you would appreciate this? When this is the hardest era of defense. This is when we came out in double team and triple team. That means this shit right here, damn, they're impossible. I'm saying, you just made a good point. There was no coming down, running the pick and roll, and trying to find the weakest defender out there. No, this man wanted your fucking one ace.

Right. He wanted your one aim. He wanted to seek me out out there, mother. I want him guarding me. I want him guarding me. And then I want you to double. That would be appreciated more, right? No, not at all.

Because those numbers, you know why? Because this is weekend. None is there. Why wouldn't those numbers triple? Because it's negative. No, no, no, no. You just said the defense would be less, right? You said yes. You said the defense would be less. No, no, no, no. You just said the defense would be less, right? You said the defense would be less.

Because negativity outweighs being positive. The defense would be less, right? It is less. Right. In this era, if he played in this era. If he played in this era. Today. This man would average motherfucking 75 points.

Okay, so with that being said, how fucking excited would the fucking league be seeing a nigga do some shit but the league will but the Masters would be shitting on him like you do all the time they do everybody else LeBron James is 42 and you say what there's no Four years here to be getting shitted on and then they're coming And then after that We're talking real, we're not talking about. The meeting wasn't in. Toby, like Bryant. So to me it's different today, you know they like. Oh yes, wow. Going out trying to guard this motherfucker.

And the game plan is, listen, so those that don't know, so nowadays everything is digital, right? Scouting reports, time of the buzz, all that shit is digital. Back then they used to actually give us a paper, right? It was three or four pages. It was called a scouting report, right? And the first page of this fucking scouting report

on lesser teams, you might got three people on this first page. Him, it was probably the first, it depends on which coach has the fucking scouting. Might be the first page and a half. If he was really, if he was a hesitant coach, if he was a shaky coach, three pages, he might have to.

But the scouting report was, they didn't have to watch the last five, six, seven games of him and put down what they think this man gonna possibly, and guess what? Didn't work. Fuck, the scouting report don't matter. Yeah, it's up there, you just can't scout. There's no scout for them. There was no scout for you sure trust me

Try it there was no scout for you. There was no sky Fucking double-chulid you go look up and I'm just playing, I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Ha ha. Come on, Cheryl. You're stupid. What's the matter, man? Come on, y'all. I'm not being serious though, man. Y'all can't live in here.

Y'all can't live in here. Y'all can't live in here. So the Toronto game, right? Just hear me out. I'm going. Was that the 81 point? So the 81 Toronto game. We are playing Toronto the next game.

I'm watching, like this is what, so my scout, like the way I used to do, like, I watch a lot of basketball, and whoever you're playing, I'm trying to watch. So I'm watching Toronto, they're coming to town. I'm watching the Ganga, they're playing the Legos, of course, but they, and I'm watching this shit in real time.

Like, each bucket, each quarter, each, and as I'm watching it at a half time, I'm like, this motherfucker might have 65. Like, you thinking this, right? And the closer he gets to it, my thought process in real time, after each bucket, my total in my head went up like, yo, this motherfucker gonna have 70, dog.

Then he got to like 74, I'm like, yo, ain't no way. Listen, man, this month he might get 80 man. Like and this is, and you know the next day we plan them up and I'm talking so much shit to the Raptors. So guess what, in today's era Kobe's gonna go drop that R&B album he was gonna drop on the ass. And then I'm gonna have him lined up outside, you know what I'm saying? I'm gonna have him ready to roll. And then some- What's up?

That's everybody, overseas, international. Let's go. Don't let me start dropping books and shit during the social media era. Boy, I'm on tour. Streaming. Yeah, and then- Don't be Brian streaming with who? And then you're gonna come on here the next day and say You need to focus on basketball. Why you out here doing that? Why you out here doing that? What about the game?

Cuz you do it to everybody. No, I don't. I do it to the people who need to focus Kobe Bryant won championships I just wanna ask you a question. Ken, this is how we do this. We're going to look at this. Someone averaged in the last four years, 36 and 8, 29, 7 and 8, 26, 8 and 7, 24, 8 and 7. He has championships. No one cares.

Your niggas don't care. Who has that something with them? No, you don't care. You can't say you appreciate fucking hope. You don't. You only like what you like and you hate everybody else. You don't appreciate all greatness. You only appreciate what you want to appreciate and then everybody else fucked their stats. Winning. That's how we do it. Winning. There's no winning here.

Winning. There's no winning. That's why I can sit here and say there's no winning in none of these. What was the history of Kobe Bryant before this? Okay, before, just like everybody else. Say it with me, winning. Okay. Say it with me. Can you get your feelings on or for this there was winning and then there was

for this there was winning and after this guess what there was no you can't why y'all not saying it because we're not finishing. We're saying these years here. So there's no winning yet. Just like there wasn't no winning during this time. The winning happens. You know what I mean? The winning happened, but during this time

is what we're talking about. You know what I mean? We're talking about this time. The fact that there's like 13 games in April and this man average 42. 42. Like this is the shit that, y'all want We're talking about this time. I'm looking at the fact that there's like 13 games in April and this man averaged 42. 42. Like this is the shit that, y'all wanna keep going with this shit.

Listen man, listen dog. This man averaged 43 in January. Man, you have to listen man. January. January. January. The man had 43 in January. He got his own month.

And, yo, play 16, 17 games in a month, man. Look at them empty stuff. Yeah, they would have been talking shit. I don't think you, man. They wouldn't have been talking shit. You would have killed them! Single day. Yeah, you would have killed them. You, no, not them. Yeah, you would have killed you know, not them you you You would have killed it. It would have yeah get on that Luca Everybody

I'm not keeping them straight right now. I've been only one keeping them straight back there I'm the only one standing ten toes now. I'm gonna always be the one standing ten toes then. It don't matter. His feelings is in. I'm talking about you. You would have been discredited and all this because there would have been no winning at the time.

Like you've done every superstar. Come on, man. Come on, bro. Come on. If we remove Kobe's name for it and then look at these stats and then look at the record, you'd be like, oh, he ain't doing it. He ain't finishing championships. that's what you'd have

been saying so that's me that's my character 99 is what people would be saying about devin is that what y'all spread to the people is that what i do that's what you do no that's exactly i bet i bet i bet you know that's what we doing that's what i do fat luka That's what we doing. That's what I do fat Luca that what we doing What a little cabbage last year, okay? That's what I'm so what a little bit less you're What in LeBron? What did you last year about 27 and what is Jason Tatum do about what 27 20? Okay? I don't like me cuz I see it now. I'm the hater.

I'm just going off. I call it a truth talk. I call it a truth talk. The message is crazy. I know they are. We had to sit there in real time though. Yeah, imagine being listening. I'm not saying that.

No, you're only like, just- They are. People were saying like, so the thing was when Mike was in the league, right? You better get your sleep the night before. You about to shat the same shit. Listen, you better get your rest. Hey, this man fits that.

Trust me. If you wasn't worried, if you wasn't a little nervous and don't have like Allen Iverson and then a Kobe or Kobe and then Allen Iverson and you a golf. Bro, dog. I just imagine those nights. They saw them combos was killing combos man. When T-Mac got to Houston and you got to go T-Mac and Cole back to back as a defender

Then go to Mello. If you were three. So you go Houston Denver I'm thinking about Mello cuz that is the stop. The stop is Houston Mello then like you in trouble Don't do it in Portland with Brandon Roy. So that's a whole West Coast trip you listen That's your that your whole West Coast trip is done Different reasons it it's done your whole West Coast you wait you thought you was gonna party stand out all night going to port As a small forward, I mean as a small for shooting guard playing defense Yeah, and you're going on a West Coast trip and it's it's a Houston Denver then Lakers then Lakers you ain't going to sleep

you know you ain't partying fuck off let's keep this thing my good ass much good Derek Fisher I could party baby seven points you talked about good you mentioned Luca and Lebron so let's talk a little Lakers current so Brian and Lakers saga taking another turn as the future Hall of Famers future with the purple and gold remains uncertain. This past Friday ESPN's Ramona Shelburne and Brian Windhorse dropped an article detailing

some of the issues this off season with LeBron opting in the final year of his deal being on an expiring contract for the first time in his career. And the Lakers making it known that this is Luca's team now. So, according to the article, nuance was something lost during the transition

which may or may not have been perceived as disrespect and while Lebron understands the Lakers are building towards the future with Luca he is deserving of the proper respect for what he's done for the franchise during his time in LA so Lebron was in Vegas Saturday to watch Bonnie the Lakers take on the Pelicans according to ESPN's David Miniman who was covering the game he spoke with Rich Paul about the situation. LeBron's agent with Rich Paul saying the Lakers never offered LeBron an extension,

while also noting LeBron never really actually asked for one either. Feels like he shouldn't have had to, but he never did. Paul also told him that four teams have reached out showing interest in training for LeBron, if that becomes an option. While also saying at this moment, LeBron fully committed to playing

with the Lakers this season. So McManaman broke down what happened when he asked Bron for an interview during the game. Now I asked LeBron just before tip off if he'd like to join the broadcast to discuss everything and he told me quote, I ain't got nothing to talk about guys. So Gil you are fluent in Bronies.

What is LeBron really saying by saying I ain't got nothing to talk about right now? I mean, fully in Brawnese. I mean, you're rich. You can look at it both ways. You can look at like, y'all are creating these narratives. So you know, I never had to address, am I going to be playing, you know, the next season? I opted in, so what are we having a conversation about because of the narratives that y'all are running? Or you can look at it the other way.

Like, I'm still trying to make my moves, and there's nothing that needs to be discussed until those moves are being made. Right, so you can sit on the fence on either way because if you didn't like the rumors, I guess you could easily just come out and say, this shit ain't true, I'm playing next year and stop all the madness.

And obviously you're not doing that. So, you know, it just probably still looks like he's still trying to figure out what he wants to do and how he's going to do it. So also according to the report, basically saying that the Lakers are basically said without saying that this will be LeBron's last season with the Lakers, whether he likes it or not. So if he wants to announce that this is his final season in the league,

he would get that that farewell tour. I'm just going to go on a hunch here. Him not opting out and signing two more years and he just opted into this. It just seems like this might be his last year Yeah, period not with the Lakers or period. We don't know so, you know the mean It's right now all we can go with is he didn't opt in and do the two-year deal like he usually does and it's a one-year Deal. So But he opts out then essentially loses that no trade clause

Opting into that fifty two point six million No trade clause now. He has a little bit more leverage wiggle room, but point being that he didn't ask for an extension Lakers off with didn't offer one so Either way go I can't see him and no facet not announcing that this is his last year at no facet not announcing that this is his last year. Yeah, no, he will announce it. So that's what I mean. So if right when training camp starts. Yeah, that's it will be either. That's yeah, that or next year he's going to move on

and play somewhere else next year and whatever that case it will be. Or but yeah, now it's. We knew that like we knew this, that they were moving on for the future. Like it just, it wasn't trading for Luca, that's obvious, like that is not, that is not, like it wasn't a secret, like it's just. And I'm saying that he wasn't necessarily mad

about the trade, but would have liked to been informed a little bit sooner than it happened. Obviously it was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. But why? You ain't got leverage like that. I'm saying like, if we moving on, if we, this is, like, if this is, like, Younger Braun, and he, yeah, of course, but this is, now, he on his way out the door,

so they don't feel the need to inform or consult in these manners. Yeah. Like, you got one more year on your deal, whether you want to be here or not, you got one more year with us, so. But do you think he deserves that level of respect though to be consulted? Not what I think I don't based on based on the left bringing the Lakers back to relevancy bring Now it was going to be part of the future. Yes. Okay. Yeah, but this situation no because it's

Like personally, yeah, I want to know like what the fuck like I've been here. I'm blood, sweat and tears. I'm this. Yeah, but now the reality of it is, like it's just he's not a part of the future here. We appreciate your time here. And we got a championship to hang up because of you. And hey, wham bam. Thank you, man. Have a new boo now.

I'm talking about, yeah. You want a shot too? She cook, she clean. She's like the younger version of you. Yeah, yeah, younger version. Just without the defense. Okay? Yeah, that's all.

So Shaw, what's your read on this whole situation? It's from the standpoint, I also just want to point out that both Luca and LeBron's camp to say this hasn't impacted their relationship Still tremendous amount of respect for each other LeBron understands the nature of these circumstances So but has never been in this position before see I live but but see of course as a mutual level of respect No, I mean they didn't say this is it's fucking wordplay, right? Yeah, there's still a mutual level of respect for one another, like. I'm vessel-ing, I'm a vessel-ing. Like, no shit!

Like, he respected before he got there. Like, he gonna change his respect, cause he leaving and they moving on from him. Like, nah, like, yeah, he only gotta like this shit, or yeah, he still can respect it, and respect him for his craft and what he's done since the young fella come into this league. Like, Rebron has always shown that for his peers.

So this can be no different. The situation is, it's just more personal. Oh, my bad. Nah, shit, that makes sense, shit. Nigga don't have the flu and hit that motherfucker for game winner and walk off with six of them. game winner and walk off with six of them. I don't really want to.

Just different. Oh, and you walk off with that six you'd be good. Until then. So moving to the side of couch. Sure. Sure. Wish wish your read on this whole situation. Obviously has somebody in the gold conversation Well, I mean first of all I have candy in my mouth

Very tasty we have candy here gives me the thing the thing that gets me is Like reporters they always try to put you on the spot Right, like he's like I have nothing to say. So here to watch. But even if he did, like he probably ain't about to tell you right now on TV. Right. And right. So it's probably more of a message of I don't have anything to say when I have something to say, then you'll know, or either talk to my agent. to say when I have something to say then you'll know or either talk to my agent.

I think it's, I also think it's a little tough for him from a standpoint of like Bronnie is still there, right? Is Bronnie going to stay with the Lakers? It's a question I'm asking you know that better than I do because I don't know. Does he, huh? He on the contract shit, eh? Does he want to stay and play with his son his final season, if this is his final season? So, or does he want to go somewhere else and play against? I'd like to see him go somewhere else and play against his son. Guard his son.

This seems, you got to really think about just players at the end of their careers. They're more humanized than they were before. Right? They're more acceptable to, you know, their peers, fans, what's in it. So if you're LeBron James and your son is on a team, there's only two real roads that makes for a great story, finishing story. Yeah. Right? You're talking about you finish your year here, right? Or you get traded back to Cleveland and have your farewell tour with your son on a team

and y'all doing this shit together, right? Like there was a legacy started and then there has to be an end of it, right? And for the most part the best ending was Michael Jordan, right? When you're talking about a guy who finished on a championship with a game winner, like you, you finished your career in the in like the best way you can finish some shit. Right. And I mean, you came back for business wise,

but, you know, if you're a Jordan fan or a basketball fan, you erase in those two years anyway. Right. You just and you're not counting. But you know, you don't count them anyway. Like if if we can erase, if a Jordan fan is allowed to erase those, trust me, they would. Oh they do. Yeah, because now...

The last dance was not in this set. They didn't play for the Wizards. Yeah, so now the resume becomes even more impressive if you take those with you. Even though there's stats there, we don't want that because the way he finished. So the way LeBron finishes his career is probably just as important as the beginning. So if he does leave I only see for the story. It only makes sense. Yeah. If he goes back to Cleveland and now you've got those fans that's 41 home games that they get to embrace you right then you get to go on the road and do your farewell

and you know, you kind of get appreciated, right? Being a Laker and then going back to Cleveland for the one time. But does he want to retire as a Laker or retire as Cavalier? Knowing him, I mean, just. I mean, I feel like the way he went, came in doing it his way.

I think he's gonna. Would you wanna, I mean, like, if here, if you're him. to his play, I think he's gonna walk through his room. I mean, like, here, if you're him, if him, would you rather finish a Laker or would you rather finish a Cleveland Cavalier? That's where your statue's gonna go, it's all... Yeah, Cleveland. Right, it's Cleveland, right?

Yeah. It seems like just... Ohio. It seems like a for-bedder story. Yeah. I think the fans more appreciate it. You're going back to your Jersey. Personally, I love Los Angeles.

What do you think, though? I wouldn't necessarily want to go back to Cleveland. As far as you had to do a bid there. Do multiple bids in Cleveland. And I'd get blessed with the opportunity to come to live in Los Angeles. Hollywood, Roscoe Chicken and Waffles. Yeah, still live here. He still live here.

Full time though. Full time. He will be living. But, you ready, hold on. He will be living in full time because he'll be retired after this. But you are a LeBron Cleveland fan. Would you rather see his story finish back? No, I'm a LeBron fan.

No, okay, but would you rather see it finish in Cleveland or finish here? I like LeBron in Los Angeles wearing the purple and go very turnt up in the city Lakers games extremely enjoyable I'm gonna go to shout the underdog with the sweet be level. We're gonna upgrade to a Like I Appreciate the story better if it finished there with your son and y'all do y'all little thing Stay here so we can try to get a championship B level sweet at Staples Center very very beautiful comfortable We want to upgrade to that a level so we need you to download the app use promo code Gil get up to a thousand Dollars of bonus cash plus special pick up and if you don't do it then we might downgrade from B to C level

That's near 300 level. That's nasty. Okay, that's very high up, hard angle to see, hard to make out players' faces. Who is that, is that LeBron, is that DeAndre Aiden? Can't really tell. But, so we asked to chat, will LeBron be traded this offseason? 64% of the chat say no, but according to a report from ScoopB,

the four teams interested in training for LeBron gives you mention the Cavs, also the Mavs, Clippers, and Warriors. So if a LeBron trade is to happen, stay in the lines, also the Mavs, Clippers, and Warriors. So for LeBron trade, it's a happen. Stay in the line with what he said when he opted in. He wants to be in a championship level environment, chance to go out on top. Clippers remind me of the big three when they was trying to get Katelyn Clark. You don't get your ass out this coffee. Ain't no damn way she's going down.

That's what this shit is. At least nobody going to those fucking Clippers, man. I'm gonna do this. Ain't no damn way. Ain't no damn way shit's going down. That's what this shit is. Nobody going to those fucking Clippers, man. What the fuck is this? What the fuck is this? Imagine that. Move up the street. Get DJ Poo off the goddamn phone.

What the fuck is DJ Poo doing? Talking about the city bureau. Get DJ Poo ass off Talk about the Syrup, bro. Syrup, bro. I'm gonna leave the Lakers going Where is Ice Cube at? What the fuck is going on? He's talking about Caleb Clark. We're gonna take these kind of calls. That shit, man.

That was stupid. That's just some shit you see. Just be like, Y'all come frolic out here. That was good. But if you were LeBron, you felt slighted by this whole situation. Steve Ballmer, most bread in the NBA.

You would be more than willing to get you an extra 50 on top whatever you got going on I don't I don't like it into a dumb Inglewood city of champions nasty possibility no very nice I get nasty possibility okay a very very nasty one the problem is if you talk about they don't win if you talk about business though talk about the business of it in LA probably put him with some great minds. If you could go to the Clippers and know for sure that you would win a championship, which is obviously uncertainty, you wouldn't even do it knowing for sure you would win a championship. They don't have a Hall of Famer.

They haven't created a Hall of Famer. Marcus Johnson Hall of Fame finalist. No, no, no, no, no. Hall of Fame finalist. Multiple years. Wait, in a Hall of Fame? They have not created a Hall of Famer. McAdoo was Buffalo, right? Buffalo Brass. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that created the Hall of Fame. They don't have one. Right? So they're gonna claim everybody who trickled through there at the end of their career. So like John C.

Billups, you got Paul Pierce. Those are y'all Hall of Fame. Y'all don't have a Hall of Famer. He played here too. It could have been Blake Griffin but he ain't played long. Yeah okay so Blake is basically there to be there. He'll probably get his jersey retired. I met you Mark. He's a Hall of Fame finalist now several years ago. Yeah, but you father started at Milwaukee. I'm gonna say it again. Finalist several years. I know.

Donald Sterling era, lived through all that shit. Just because of that. How many years you had that play? Like what? 10 or around about? Oh, yeah. Eight or nine. Seven to like eight, six, and then came back for a small coffee with the Warriors. Yeah, okay.

Broke his neck as we talked about on this couch. Got it back though, still crib walking. You got it back? You know what I'm saying? He could have been, could have been wheelchair'd up, he's good to go. Hey, it was, we weren't getting it in back in those days. I don't know what I'm saying, that was some good shit back then, ain't it? But you think Cav, what about the Warriors?

We talked about, obviously, you could do a one for one with Jimmy Butler. I think they make around the same amount of bread. Not to say that that would happen. They could also, you got Kaminga, who's in a position where he wants to do it. Kaminga and Jimmy? No, you're not.

No, no, way too much bread. Kaminga and some other niggas. To the Lakers for bronze? I'm doing that if I'm the Lakers. No, no, no. One of them big pope? Post. Some other niggas. To the Lakers, LeBron? I'm doing that if I'm the Lakers. Who do you protect? I'd rather chance. One of them big, Pope? Post.

Post? Shooting big. Trace Jackson. Not give you a shot? Yeah, yeah. Who do you trust? Who do you trust? For Lakers?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going for Lakers. I mean, Steph, we need Steph. No Steph. For the Lakers? No Wardell. LeBron for Steph. Nah, nah, nah.

Nah, we good. Steph gets seven finishes. The Warriors are hooked. The money has to be hooked. Oh yeah, well. We need to know so the Lakers no Wardell Yeah, come in come in good coming to being young with this group and post or the shooter that's in the nothing They need a little more to match that 53 obviously coming to still We have that situation looks like Restricted free agent. I mean only thing that makes sense for the Lakers is trading with Cleveland. You try to get you try to get one of they bigs. You try to get one of their bigs over here if you can pull both that'd be good but you know obviously try to go after Mobley first. The guard you know Garland see if you can try to get it but I doubt they get off mobile. Pass fans are there not coming up. Of course not it'll be The guard, you know, Garland. See if you can try to get it, but I doubt they'd get off Mobley.

Pass fans, so they're not coming up. Of course not, it'll be dumb. And then, or you go after other big fella. Probably Garland. And then bring in Hunter. Try to get Hunter and, I mean, you could. Be Jared Allen, Hunter. One of them shooters with a couple picks.

Man, there ain't no fucking match. Give him Stroot. They'll probably give off wasn't cause they got so. I don't know. You don't want mobility. You don't want. You're not gonna give up mobility.

But look. You take LeBron. As it stands right now, LeBron committed to the Lakers. Give up didn't he? I think Luke and LeBron both want the team to put a championship roster around. There was other report in that article too

that LeBron's a little bit salty after been asking for a center during the 80 era. Right when the tray went down, Laker tried to get that center, Mark Williams' tray was rescinded, but just like, okay, been asking for a five. Didn't get it, but nonetheless. Brown's been asking for a five?

Yeah. Or was AD asking for a five? I think they both at points said, we would like a truth. Hey man, I'm tired of people saying what these niggas said. They had three fives, okay? They had three fives. Three fives

been begging to come back and play. They didn't want them. So listen. Okay, we don't want to hear what y'all think. They had him. AD? AD prefers to play the four though, girls. We know. His preference. No, but I'm saying back then, but they was playing them at the four and the five. So I mean, it was a really big team. But looking with the Lakers have done this offseason a first call free agency to Jake Larravia's under two-year deal We're able to get like and Jake. I'm a Jake from all state boy You my new black and mild baby getting buck and I mean I'm gonna say some shit when you're not here But I'm gonna praise you when you are so I didn't mind they got vanilla

Black in my house, huh? But you look like you smoke I got vanilla flavor. I got vanilla flavor. You got vanilla flavor? You got vanilla flavor? You know? Okay. But it don't look like you smoked. It don't look like you smoked. Oh my lord. Nick Young. It smell like Nick Young. Nick Young flavor.

They smell like Nick Young. Everybody's swaggy, but at this point, does it feel like the Lakers are committed to putting together a championship level roster this season? Hell no! No. You got Luke and Brian? No. DeAndre Aiden? Oh man.

You got a question? Be in the same position y'all, we was in last year. Papá de Limón, Austin Reeves, best third option in league. As of right now we're... Rui Hachimora? Man, we... Same position last year. Hey listen, if we get that Bradley Bill or that Dame Loner, maybe.

But right now, you know, two people that get bought out, I I rather Say Brad. Yeah, Brad. Yeah, Bradley. No, you can jam me 15 to 17 off the bitch. He'll fucking you I like Dame the Boston. Mm-hmm No, I mean shit. They play the same Injuries on one team. I'm sorry. I'm just gonna be real. I was realistic But my point guard is with his feelings and with three with his ago. I'm just gonna be real. It's realistic. But, good you... I got my point guard with his heelies, and my three with his... I'm not doing that. But, good you... It's just too much, you know what I mean? Too much managing going on around me,

so I'm fucking... Yeah. Too much managing going on. Good, you tell me right now, as our resident Lakers fan, a Skinny Luka... There's only a few handicapped spots you can get at the arena. I don't need both of them trying to fight for the same one.

Yeah. You got a Skinny Luka out here in Slovenia with the national team getting his mind right. We playing through mid-September. Skinny Luca, LeBron, and what may be his last season. Papadi Lamont, Austin Reeves. And a pissed off Deandre Aiden you don't feel like is enough to at least be.

Be what? In the championship conversation. In the NBA? In Adam Silver's national basketball tournament. In the NBA? Not in the NBA? No, he talking about in-season tournament. Fuck.

Also in championship. The answer to that shit is no, too. Listen, they might, they might, that one, they might. As of right now, I can't. NBA Cup? Right now, I'm going to be realistic. It's unbiased. No, we're not. OK, now, October championship, OK?

It's all championship talk then. Right now, OK, no, no, we're not. It's we still need. There's teams that got a lot better. A lot better. Not a little bit. A lot better. Right. Houston got a lot better. Denver got a lot better. Right. I don't even know if we're even in contentions with OKC. They won a championship. They're coming back with a lot more swagger to them, right? And they know how to pop bottles now. Dallas, a lot better. Clippers, a lot better. I'm just, you know what I mean?

So realistically, hell no. It's going to be a rough one. It's going to be a rough one. It's going to be a rough year for us. I'm saying that today. October 1st, I'm going to have my Laker shit on and I'm going to be hell year championship. Let's go. And I get to be delusional for fucking six months. So two years ago

Two years ago Luca and Kari was looking at okay see like Alright just those two dudes by theyself So I see if okay see can win it with a team like that with the lack of superstars, all-stars, big time, proven players, the Lakers should be in the fucking mix. But now you got to OKC. By default. You got OKC with the MVP and an all-star all-day.

Wait, wait, hold on here. No, I'm saying just about the work of the role players that OKC has and how they coming back to the fold matching up with all of the different teams that got the different players on paper. The Lakers should be there. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm sensing some real weird here. See, I'm getting two types of energies here. I'm getting you trying to set the Lakers up like say they should win knowing that they're not gonna win That's one angle or it seems like you know the sense that LeBron's been moving on It seemed like you going on trying to come back on to the purple and go

Just seems you've been a little Look every sister I'm sitting right there. Y'all boy. Y'all boy. That Laker, that Laker. He been looking a lot of goldish a little lately. This thing is coming down. Driving him to the airport today. You're the same thing. I'm back. You see like LeBron going to see like I see him start pulling. You see we a couple times.

Yeah, this. You heard it. I thought I was tripping. I was like. I didn't say we. I'm sitting right there. Hey, buddy thought I was tripping. I was like, what? I didn't say we. I'm sitting right there. Hey, Bonnie James locking that ass up. I'm like, wait a minute.

Is this? He said we. We speaking French. He said we. We, we. Have y'all been catching that chat chat? He's like, hey, he's been a little light. Old grown Lakers time.

I brought a purple ship. It was for the Raptors. It's for the Raptors. I've been catching a little purple ship coming out. I'm like, wait a minute. Raptor Pro. Brian leaving. I think Sean purple ship. It was for the Raptors. It was for the Raptors. I've been catching a little purple ship coming out. Purple for the Raptors. Wait a minute. The Raptors.

Bronn leaving. I think Sean coming on. Nope. Not a chance. Wait, wait. So if Bronn leave, you're not coming back. Nope. Not a chance.

Well, Sean, you're right. You're right. You're right. Sean in Related to Me. It is July. It is your fandom free agency. We will be announcing what team you will be moving on to You want to wait?

A delegate I got some new you know some new employees. We've heard reports a lot of things are reached out Work and see who they like first Report this who you like even working's been working hard also. So shall we ask the chat got empty legs. We asked the chat will Rashad return to the Lakers when LeBron leave 98% 85% of the chat right now believes that Rashad will return to the Lakers. Yeah. There's wow. They're predicting your next move in free edges.

And that's crazy. You come back so brother coming home. I think it's it trying to force me. I mean he got to go. He's got to go. That damn 85 85 South Show. Bring me home, baby. So we got one be out of here.

I'm gonna be in there one of or the other. We're gonna celebrate. Package deal. We got one more thing to discuss before we move on to mostly fans. So Drake's been sending shots at LeBron ever since Bron was spotted at the Kendrick Popout last June team. Singing Not Like Us, bar for bar. LeBron telling Steph at the Olympics how much he loves the Drake diss track. So Drake notably unfollowed Bron on Instagram back in October of last year. Drake also had a tattoo of Braun in his high school jersey on his bicep. During a recent performance, Drake replaced it with SGA in a Thunder jersey we have. Documented over.

It was the Braun in his high school jersey, number 23. It is now SGA Thunder. Wow. Celebrating Toronto native, Shaye Gilder's Alexander 2025 NBA champion MVP finals MVP. Western Conference. That might be nasty. MVP. So also during your recent performance Drake changed the lyrics to his track non-stop from how I go from 6 to 23 like I'm LeBron to how I go from 6 to 23 but not LeBron. Just letting you know what's going on. So what's your reaction to

Drake? What's your reaction to Drake changing his LeBron tattoo to FDA? Oh, gosh. Petty. Nothing. It's only one person mad. Childish. Shit, the work should be mad. Like, how the fuck I am? LeBron ain't trippin'. LeBron.

Supposed to put a lady on your arm. LeBron, probably like, why you got me on here? Oh, my Lord. Wow. She's he got a lady. Oh my lord. She a little talkative. Really? Oh man, lord have mercy. Petty, childish. Like what grown ass man does that?

Say it again for the people in the back sure. Which part? The petty? Childish? What grown ass man does that? What he gonna do it? What are you gonna do if SGA get mad at him? Same thing all change it to never same thing We see this behavior all the time. Just never seen it from one of us.

Wow. Usually when the work gets your name tattooed on her, right, and then she get mad at you and get a new nigga, she erases your name, put his name on top. She's supposed to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, no, no. But why? But why though, Gerald?

Why she supposed to to what you say? What was the key word you use in that phrase? She she thank you supposed to no no no she no she she Supposed to mean why are you supposed to if you and she? Like why am I gonna be with you and keep somebody else's name on me? No, but that's a grown-ass man. No, I see I think when women do it they think that the new then you got Stephanie Katie number two The new dude is gonna be like appreciated of it. Like I see this nigga name under here This is thunder Irish What you do erase the and just keep the two?

Nigga, that's another nigga jersey. You're not really dedicated to me, Drake. Just giving me his shoes and clothes. You the side nigga, you just not gonna ever be the main nigga. You just put his shit over the floor. Yeah, you just put his in the closet. Push that shit in the back of the closet.

What we doing? Probably all of it. With the boxes in the corner. My thing is that Drake is a grown man. Shit She got some nigga shorts Why do you say 4X? 4X plus 2. The fuck are these? 4X plus 2. Hey we start doing it looking at the tags see what number it is. Team issued merchandise not what you can get

off of the internet actually. You got the shorts I know you got the team bag. You're fucking Jordan Farmer. That nigga fucking Jordan Farmer. Alright. Shout out to Jordan Farmer. That's how he wants to pull up. That's female behavior, man.

It is. It's female behavior. I don't want no problems. It's worse. This is worse. 100%. One, it ain't that deep for you to erase the original tattoo. And then you're getting a new tattoo over you think Sheila. Oh, yeah We see it's better

You should just got a whole new tattoo with just yeah, what is that consultation like y'all can you change this to SGA for me? The tattoo already is I'm like but but it's the run But I'm mad Wow, how dare you. Wow. How dare you go to that shit. Watch this. Watch what I do next. That was a lot.

I'll show you. Yes. You're 100% correct. I'll show you is fucking insane. I'll show you. That's fucking insane. I'll show you, buddy. I'll show you.

Watch this shit, okay? Watch this shit. I'll show you. You gotta'm so this shit. Okay, so you you gotta be fucked up Fuck you and your son was right here right here. This is real real estate Still got my stuff in Katie though fucking Okay. So they get mad. So they get mad. Then it's going to be Hart and Starr. What does it mean though? It's Seth Curry. It's going to be Seth Curry and his daddy, man. It's going to be Getson and Steph.

You got number 50, if I go change that shit to, and they got a name, you're going to write mother of a tumble over it. Like, those be the funniest ones where you try to cover up the old ones, just like, shit looks wack, man. You got to go with the old, long ass Gotta go to hold like long and name like that the way like Like picking the sides is stupid anyway, and we don't wrap But you have to pick a side that you see the bra to pop out is so Juneteenth I remember messing with a stripper and oh and I'm trying to read her back tattoo

I See Leroy got the name and all of them got that flower and long Here land it right here Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But you know you gotta manipulate each letter every time you get a new one. It's like this way That is crazy Why she got an all star team bag? That is crazy This is nice ass tattoos That's so dumb That's so dumb Yeah Drake

He just covered the whole arm up like you just can't go do that one bro You look If you was gonna do you gotta make it look like I decided to get a whole cover up. Like, if you're gonna do that, you just can't go get one official cover. Right! You took one individual off to put another individual. You're too famous to do that. You too grown to do that. That, but you're too famous to do that. Like, there's nothing you can do that people are not gonna notice, right? There's nothing that he can do, say, go, like people are gonna notice to be the first one to be like, look, he popping ass on stage.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The thing is they'll probably be cool in five, 10 years. Right. Change back to a new location for a new Bron. That nigga's gonna be old, bro. Yeah, nigga, grown ass. Oh my God. Yeah, man.

That nigga's old, like, kids. Wow. Hmm. And. Wow. That ain't never gonna get old. And to act, so hold on. So I'm gonna take this a step further, right? You should have known what COVID did. You never get over it. Yeah. So this is my thing, right? You don't like what, what, what, who gets living people tattooed on them?

Say it again. What, what, what, who gets living people tattooed on them? Say it again. Who gets living people tattooed on them? Like, like the face? Just, just, just. Like a toy boy? Like besides your kids? I do.

Besides your kids. I do, I got a bunch of women. Everybody got MJ or. I have my, I have my, I have my mom. That you are women,. I do I got a bunch of women Women right yeah women. Yeah, if you Normally so you got to cope that to it was that's cool. That's the number right? Yeah, it's a 24. That's cool That's got on your leg ain't nobody really Looking for it right there. It's not you're not Just I don't promote it. You don't promote. Yeah, you don't

Cut off the world you ain't But I'm Also, we're also we're 24 in high school cool. So it's just mostly but I'm the month thing you got but it's a day you got That's understandable because of... Music and women. Women, yeah. If you walking around with a bunch of niggas that's like, Stephon Marbury jersey on niggas because he's number three and Alan Iverson, name, you got, I'm gonna be like, nah dog.

I like them niggas too, but not enough to get them tattooed on me. You want to meet him? He right here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got people family. I can talk. Hey, you know he's right here, right? I'll be here in a minute. I'll stop him right now for you. Where my phone? You want to talk to him?

Hey, this nigga got his shit tattooed on him. Like, look at this. Bro, that shit's wicked, man. Okay, the LeBron one. Okay, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, right? Their careers hit a certain level, right? Where, right, they're iconic. So if you want to get that person's tattoo, okay, that makes sense.

But you hang out with them people. But Shay, I know he's from Canada, but that's kind of early. That's kind of early for a tattoo to, youa, I know he's from Canada, but that's kinda early. That's kinda early for a tattoo to rip, you know what I mean? Like, if you think about iconic people, but like when people tried to get in Allen Iverson, he was in iconic mode. I get it, but the fact that he's Canadian,

I'm Canadian, this, that part, yeah, you K. Kool, you wanna get in Shea, that's y'all heritage. But he's younger than him. I get it, but still, that's if he wanted to do it But you hang out with these people you understand Drake you're in the same circles Kevin Durant You're in the same circle of Steph Curry. So you hang out with these niggas and the niggas you look over there and the nigga got you like You like you like me you like me like me.

Like I got a rub on you. You've been trying to tell you. Yeah, you ain't listening. Stop bro. I was going to show you my Kenyan belly button tattoo, but I was fighting. I don't know at it like that. I mean, you don't know who he watched as a no. I'm just saying the LeBron with Macy's the shade one.

That's kind of early, bro. That's how old is 35? 37, 37, 36, 37. So the same age as these niggas dog. You got one. No, 38 years old. Younger one. 38. So yeah, like years old a young one. He's got a Wayne. 38. So yeah, like we say, they just

like, you know, Steph, Katie, but like. Let them do him. If you had my fucking magic and some of them niggas, I'd be like, okay, that's it. Baby, you just said something a little different. You just said something. Have you ever seen a Magic Johnson? A Magic Johnson tattoo? Yeah, I've never seen. Like just growing up when you're thinking about Jordan, the Jordan tat, right? It seemed like the Jordan tat was the first tat, just the logo, that was like, yeah. The next one was probably what, the AI cross?

I don't know, but I was finna say something real horrible. I'm glad I caught myself. No, I'm just thinking about like, Like when it came to tattoos. Thinking the same shit. I caught myself. No, when it came to tattoos, I'm trying to figure out, what was it?

I came, no, I came up with something way worse than that. So I'm glad I caught myself. What's so funny about it? I remember looking in the my snake today. I remember looking in the Slam magazine. I was looking in the Slam magazine and the Chauncey Billup tattoo. I was like, oh man, I'm getting a set. Didn't even know who the nigga was. Oh, I'm getting that same one.

That shit look crazy. But I think AI was the second one that was cool to get. It was like Jordan, but I was like magic. Bird, there was like no bird tattoos. I think only the Strong second one that was cool to get it was like Jordan but I was like magic bird I know bird tattoos I think only the strong survived tap was big the only strong survive yes that's what I was saying that was I seen that there's the old and one was the second that's what it was the end one man and one man I think I got work yeah I think I got ordered in the end one man with the end one was a stamp that was liked that one, my first tat. But on that note, let's move on to MostlyFans.

I'm gonna get a yellow boy tat. Presented by our friends at Underdog. Download the Underdog app, use promo code GIL, get up to $1,000 in bonus cash, plus a special pickup. So we have one MostlyFans question from Underdog user QuadLife33. You ain't got one. Ain't no condit to it.

Ain't no swirl, shoot. QuadLife33. So this'll be a quick one. If you're condit to it. Ain't no swirl, shoot. Wild Life 33. So this will be a quick one. If you're down two, needed a three for the win, who would you pass it to? Reggie Miller or Steph Curry? Down three, need a, down two, need a three for the win. Who would you pass it to?

Steph Curry or Reggie Miller? Ooh. Steph. Steph. All day. Any good dollar? Well, I'd just go Reggie Steph. Steph. All day. Yeah, for dollar. Well, I just go Reggie, cause he hit one on us to going overtime, so.

Hey, wide open? Steph. Nah, the D. You gotta put that bitch on the floor. Wild life, you're not supposed to fuck. You gotta do some shit when you get it. Ain't no catch or shoot that shit. How many seconds?

Three, did you say? I'ma go with Steph. Fuck. You take the final option. I'ma gotta change my mind that fast. Steph. I'ma go with,. You taking my line? I'm gonna change my mind that fast. Steph. I'm gonna go with, I mean. I put that bitch down.

And then they gonna turn around. And not even watch it going. Yeah, but go with a little bozo. Cause he knows it's good. On that note, Sherry, we got you for one more day. So we got a lot of things we gotta discuss tomorrow. So I want the audience to get ready and prepare for those things.

But appreciate everybody here on this college. Your picture ain't gonna change. Day one of our last week. Let's give a shout out. Look, she's been looking at this steel figure. She a grandma now. Hey, grandma. I'm gonna be mad, because I'm looking at my grandma.

Oh, look at him. I know, but I can look at him. She's been looking at him, he's like. Wait. Yeah. Look at the flip on. Got a fight coming up. She's like. I can't wait. Flip up. Got a fight coming up. Who you squabbling with?

You're a hater. August 16th. Who you fighting? We just going to pick somebody out the hat. Just catch your face. Yeah. Huh? Who want a face?

Who want the face? Get the camera. Pick it up. And run up on him. What's up? Here go the gloves, bro. It's time. Here go the gloves, bro. Let's go ahead. Wow. This one over here. Run up on him. He got a gloves bro

This one over here you get knocked the fuck out and you can't come back Don't give a fuck you Because I'm a fuck with you just so you know, so what you gonna do and I'm not the nigga cool I just suspect it. You can't say it's expected. You can't say it's expected. You can't just wait for me to lose and then give me the blues. No, cause you walking up on niggas. You say you gonna walk up and hit a glove. I'm just saying niggas, just don't walk up on the wrong one. I'm pulling them out the hat.

Don't pull the wrong name out the hat. I't pull the wrong name. I know who in the hat I'm putting all the names in there Everybody's you go pick the one you want cool. That's just whoever in there everybody in there I want everybody in the head. I won't know that no you can't shade everybody in the chat Oh, hopefully you're not the name the shot picks up Give one hitter quitter and we're gonna laugh in your face Hopefully you're not the name that Sean picks out. Because you're going to get one hitter quittered. And we're going to laugh in your face when that happens.

But on that note, this has been another episode of Gills Arena presented by Underdog. Whoa, whoa! We will see you all tomorrow!