Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Reacts to Antman's INSANE FINE & Wemby's 2k Rating Record

Episode Date: August 10, 2023

Gil's Arena closes out the week with a JAM PACKED LIVE Show!! NBA Topics include, Anthony Edwards and his $50,000 Fine for throwing a chair, Rick Barry DEMANDING Some Respect for the OGs and Victor Wembanyama Making History With The Highest 2k Rating For a Rookie. Please Like and Subscribe!! Sign up for Underdog Fantasy HERE with promo code GILSARENA and get a $100 first deposit match: https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gil's-arena Gil’s Arena premieres every Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Chapters Show Start 0:00:00 Should The NBA Implement a 1v1 Tournament? 0:04:06 Gilbert Arenas Jersey Drip 0:11:21 Suns Retiring Stoudemire and Marion's Jerseys 0:21:20 Anthony Edwards Fined $50k 0:33:24 Wemby's Historic 2k Rating 0:44:30 Expectations For Wemby 0:51:16 Best Video Game Player Of All Time 0:56:07 Rick Barry Thinks He Can Still Play 0:59:08 How Would Gil Fare in Today's NBA 1:23:20 Previewing Our Exclusive Interview with Isaiah Thomas 1:33:47 MostlyFans 1:44:58 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Yield Eat em up Yield Yield Gills, Gills, Gills Welcome back to Gills Arena presented by Underdog Fantasy. We're back. It's Thursday, last show of the week. Welcome back to gills arena presented by underdog fantasy We back is Thursday last show of the week Got the living legend Gilbert arenas here good using blue Tuesday now you rocking the red Max you switched on us. Yeah It's not gills Karina anymore and we got me go grind here with. What's up, Miko? How you doing? I'm good.

For sure. Let's get into it. Here's what we got cracking today. The Suns are retiring. Sean Marion and Amari Stoudemire's jerseys, but how good would they be in today's game? Rick Berry blasts people, calling players from his generation plumbers, but what stars of old could be stars today? He wasn't with the Chenae. You worked with Rick on Big 3.

Mm-hmm. He said his. He's mad that y'all calling everybody plumbers and talking about how trash and whack players from the 50s, 60s, and 70s are. But they were plumbers. They were insurance sellers. Milkmen. Real estate agents.

Garbage men. All that goodness. We're going to have another. You already got old Isaiah Thomas on the black side. Now we got Rick Barry. You're about to have just the full contingent of NBA old heads trying to pull up. But we're in a gated community. Y'all cannot get in.

You are not on the list. Especially when that bald-haired white dude there, he don't let nobody in. I see him every day, girl. Yes. I got to tell him my name every single day. Me too. He run down and check. I'm like, bro, you know my car.

Come on. Unlike the other homie who's just like, oh, what's up, just like, how's the day today? But he doing his job, so respect to him. And Victor Wim Miyama got the highest 2K rating for a rookie. Y'all know. Every time we pull up in this shit, it's like- Every day. Every day. pull up in this shit, it's like the same crew, same vehicles, but he doing his job.

And Victor Uemiyama got the highest 2K rating for a rookie in history, but we live up to the hype. But before we get into all that, as always, this show is brought to you by Underdog Fantasy. If you have not done so already, go ahead, download the app. Use promo code GILSARENA. They will match your first deposit up to $100 and we doing our mostly fan segment We're showing love to everybody who follows those directions downloads the app uses promo code gills arena If you drop a good question with your underdog username, we will give you $50 for the free ski

And what don't mix liquor with grapefruit juice. That's... I'm not the mixologist. Oh, yeah. It's not good. Tequila and grapefruit juice is a very good drink. It's called a Paloma. That's tequila and grapefruit juice.

Then it's probably your juice. It's probably not real juice. Did we check the expiration date on it? Right. I mean, grapefruit juice is nasty anyway, so... Then why'd you drink it? Because that's the expiration date on it? Right. I mean grapefruit juice is nasty anyways. Yeah. Then why'd you drink it? Because that's all we had.

Ghetto. Ghetto. You have grapefruit juice at the crib. Ghetto. Did you put ice in it? Nope. Just hot. Nasty.

Is the air on? It's on. It's spicy up in here. I'm just checking. It's spicy. It's spicy in here. But all good. This is Gil's Arena on a Thursday. And nonetheless- They're fucking up in the back.

What was that? We got the audio there. We got the audio cues. They are fucking up. The AC's hot. The security guard. I ain't going to say nothing. But I've seen this man about 35 times now.

He always staring at me like, nigga, I don't know who you are. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates.

I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking black man you have coming through those gates. I don't know what other good looking But I've seen this man about 35 times now. He always stare at me like, nigga, I don't know who you are. Like, I don't know what other good-looking black man you have coming through those games. But we got a question for you off top. Damn. Mostly fans. We're trying to get people to breath.

Even in the beginning of the show? Yes. Underdog username C55. He says, should the NBA replace the All-Star game with a one-on-one tournament like King of the Court style? No. You're not rolling with that? They can't. Oh, wait. He replace the All-Star game with a one-on-one tournament like King of the Court style? No. You're not rolling with that? They can't.

Oh, wait. He said the All-Star game. I thought add it to All-Star weekend. He wants the whole All-Star weekend. So instead of the game, it would just be one-on-one King of the Court style. Nobody would do that. Spencer Dinwiddie would. It's in HD.

Nobody want to get embarrassed like that. That's forever. That's forever. Yeah, LeBron wouldn't show up. Somebody will call you out on a fade, you know, and now they got tape Embarrass you might touch earth anything. It's how much money like when you were playing guilt They say you got to go 1v1 How much money would they had to be like boxing style to be able to do it? But what would it be worth for one-on-one?

Bracket style probably 200,000 back then. Just $200,000 for you to actually want to participate in it? For All-Star weekend? We got to go like Floyd Mayweather level purse, though. I need like a couple hundred mil. Damn. For one-on-one? Instead of the All-Star game? Boxing match! Wait, boxing or one-on-one? One-on-one basketball. I'm saying the long-term ramifications. If you get cooked,

that's going to fuck up your brand, your shoe sales. But the problem with the one-on-one tournament is the guys that they think are stars, they're star players, but they're not one-on-one players. Yeah, that's going to fuck up your brand, your shoe sales. But the problem with the one-on-one tournament is the guys that they think are stars, they're star players, but they're not one-on-one players. Yeah, that's a different game. So that game would look totally different. Yeah. So they do like three dribbles or something like that?

Yeah. Okay. But then you cut now half your stars. Yeah, so, I mean, we can get some Spencer. Spencer did what he said. Nobody in the league could see him except for maybe KD. But I would pay to see like a K verse then with a one-on-one book Jimmy Butler or book verse PG like probably like somebody like Jimmy Butler would be a

Favorite he'll be one of the favorites and I wouldn't mind seeing Steph. I mean I step Kyrie and Jah Jah I mean he has explosion but does he have moves besides that? Shit, that would...can we ask the chat who would win a one-on-one between Kyrie and... Kyrie. You think... Yeah, he's a one-on-one player. Seven game series, he's winning? Yeah.

Alright. Just like Westbrook, right? They're open court players. Is that a...oh, never mind. That was a compliment? No, I'm just saying that's the style, like the D-rolls, that style of play,

just fast, quick, precise. Okay. Well, we appreciate you. What is it, C? I think it would be a tough, you know, tough defend for Kyrie a little bit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know his first...

What's his first step like? Kyrie? No, I know Kyrie's like... He't know his first was his first step like Kyrie. No Just like Westbrook, let's get out here one one speed Westbrook could be a bad one on one player though. Yeah Cuz if you didn't get by unit one dribble What other kind of yes the chat is spoken Kyrie's training about 93 percent 94 percent right now. Damn. No job Maybe that's a bad one. No job love. I should have said that one. That's a bad one then.

I didn't think it was going to be that. I wouldn't mind seeing that. You know, like... All the young kids started school again, so all the young kids who would vote. It's cap. School don't start until next week. Hey, people went to school today.

Yeah, people started. Thursday, I know. Yes. People started Monday. Private school? No. I think public. Yeah.

We don't start until Monday. We saving that bread. We're not, yeah. Yeah, public starts. Them kids it Monday. Private school? No. I think public. Yeah. We don't start until Monday. We saving that bread. We not, yeah. Yeah, public starts. Them kids too young for private school. Facts. Shit. Get that discount.

They hold your kid back in a minute in private school. Just to get extra money. Like, hold on. He not there yet. Pay this extra 30. He not there yet. And as always, you can't listen to the show live uh go ahead and listen to it on spotify apple podcast we were training top five i think that was like a week ago some of y'all got lazy and you can watch the

show on youtube and download it we're trying to knock pg out the number one spot all right he's number one great show but hey kd you got to come on the show because, you know, he disrespect Book. Hey, we should get Booker on the show. If Book come on the show, push us to the top. I might be able to do that. Book and KD. Really? Book what? All right. We got beef with Paul George now.

We do? No, I'm just saying. Let me shout out all the DMs I've been getting. Can I get a shout out? I'm going to shout out. I don't tell y'all I'm seeing all your DMs, but my DMs are incredible right now. I'm going to shout out all the Gills Arena fans

that have been DMing me since I started the show. I just want to tell y'all I appreciate all y'all love. I thought you were talking about celebrities. I thought you were talking about the Gills. No. Good stuff. No, I'm not. The blue checks.

Are they hollering on the leg? What's going down? I mean, they're hollering, but that's not why I'm shouting them out. I'm shouting them out for giving me, you know, telling me what they think of me being on the show. And, you know, these are people that can say whatever they want to say. You know what I mean? And they just let me know that I'm doing my job. I'm doing a great job.

I'm going to keep going. I appreciate y'all. Dead serious. And I'll just say the opposite of that. I appreciate y'all dead serious, you know Since you're giving us I want to give out shout out to to the ladies That's going in the DM and y'all doing y'all thing up in there Listen, this is mostly fans mob. Listen my D Looks like straight back. Hey, it'd be like lawyers it'd be right people like, you know contributing society Yeah, I'm like, what is it, PhD?

I'm like... What they won't give? Did you tell them you don't want a woman? No, they seen the clip. Oh, okay. Are they wasting their time? No, you know how women are, right? What?

They think they can change your mind, right? So they're going to come in and say, you won't take this serious? Nah, but you can go ahead and shoot the shot, dude. Like Magic said, you can just see that look sometimes. Give you that look. But y'all praise me. I was going to say something else.

I want to say fuck y'all to everybody because I don't get none of that love. Y'all niggas just meeting in my DM. Like, damn, what'd I do? What'd I do to make y'all so mad? But let's get into it. So, Gil, here we gotta give you some love first the tiktoker by the name of blake style for real show some love to agent zero by reminiscing on his childhood drip oh this was funny not my fault your mom didn't put you in

no fucking drip kid gilbert arena's jersey jorts crocs was in in my Lance Armstrong era in this one. Yes, I was on PED. Amari Stoudemire matching set Phoenix Suns jersey. Shalom Aleichem. So Gil, what was the first time you saw somebody wearing your jersey when you were in the league, and what was that feeling like for you? Probably Christina Wong. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Who? Christina Wong, big Warriors fan. She's a big basketball fan. So she was a Warriors fan, big-time Warriors fan. She had traveled to go see games. Yeah, but she was the first one to get my jersey. She sent us that photo, too, when you talked about the Escalade.

She was watching the show. She was like, I got to pick a Gil with the custom Escalade. Yeah, she was out at Summerlee, too, every time. She was like, where Gil at? Where Gil? She has to get the annual picture for 20. She has 20-something years worth of pictures. She ain't slitting your DM?

No, no, she's married. Oh. That matters. Yeah, yeah. She's married. But big time fan. But so I want to ask y'all both, what was your favorite jersey Oh, that matters. Yeah, yeah, she's married. But big time fan. But so I want to ask y'all both, what was your favorite jersey as a kid?

Like, you know, if you remember rocking a jersey. My favorite jersey was when I got my Penny Hardaway replica. And was you on Penny from the jump, Memphis State days, or when he got to the league? When he got to the league. Did blue chips have anything to do with it? Yep. Good ass movie. Yeah, blue chips have anything to do with it? Yep. Good-ass movie. Yeah, blue chips, the shoes, the penny doll.

And then I remember I had all the shoes, and then when I, my sophomore year, I changed my number to 25 because of... That's why you were at Grant? Grant, yeah. Wow, okay. I was 24 first, so I was 24 before Kobe. Do you think Kobe saw you at Grant and was like, well, I'm going to get that 24 something day?

No, no, no, that was Birmingham, so I'm sure he didn't see me. Oh, okay, definitely not. It definitely not was Birmingham. Yeah, I'm sure he didn't see me. You said as a kid. Yeah, like what? So how old were you when you were wearing a penny jersey? I was a teen.

So you were on a teen? Kid team, you know, whatever you can remember. When I was a kid, Magic Johnson. You had the Magic jersey? I didn't have the Magic Johnson jersey. I could not afford a Magic Johnson jersey. I got a t-shirt from my uncle. Stop laughing.

I grew up poor. They threw it in the sand? Was it those Magic tees, those Magic graphic tees you had back in the day? Yeah, with the beard and the hair. I had one of those. And then when I got to high school, Jordan, of course. Jordan, I was playing high school ball when Jordan was winning championships. I might be off, but I think that was the reason, those Magic tees,

because he was making so much bread off those. And I think MJ found out about it, got salty. The other MJ, Michael Jordan, found out about it, got salty other MJ Michael Jordan found out about it got salty And I think that's part of the reason why he wasn't on video games and shit like well Magic Johnson Enterprises was making all those those swaggy ass magic cheese back in the day Yes, and magic was caking big bread off of those one of the greatest gifts. I ever received a t-shirt Yes, but you time. I don't know Like when I first started remember a you like Park League they used college know. Like, when I first started, you remember AAU, like, Park League,

they used college teams. Yeah. It was college, so my first team was Rebels, running Rebels. Okay, see, running Rebels shit was killing. That was booming then, too. Yeah, I remember that. I played at the angle of why we were the Kentucky Wildcats,

and that didn't really mean shit to me back then, but... Why did AAU... I mean, why did Park League use only... They couldn't use NBA? I thought maybe for, like, the lower level was the lower level with college and then for every division. Okay, yeah. I don't know what the young kids were. My dad's team was the Dream Team Bulls.

He just mixed the two. Like, all right. That was the one you didn't get to play on? No, I never made that team. How did your dad have a team? Because I was young. I was coming from football, so I wasn't really a basketball player. Like, I just played with my friends.

And, you know, we'd go play against the, you know, Hispanics. You know what I mean? Because they play all day. They play all day. So you get to play, like, one-on-one, two-on-two, five-on-five. So I actually started getting good. So by the time I got to go against my dad's team, I was all right. Okay.

But I wasn't good enough to play against his. I wasn't good enough to play on his team. So you played against your dad's team. Was he hating? No, no, no. They was up like. They wasn't double teaming you? No, no, no, no, no.

Because his team was like 15, 16. So I was like 11. Okay, okay, okay. You know, so I wasn't good enough to. Even scratch the surface Yeah, my first NBA like experience was a team called it was an adult league called Crush Groove Wow Yeah, you heard it would know the movie was late. Oh

The movie though. Oh, you are so you how are you like this? Crush Groove is a classic. What? Breakdancing? Maybe that's what... It's about hip-hop. It's about the introduction of hip-hop in New York and how breakdancing started from hip-hop

and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, look. Please watch that movie. Yeah, there's a team called Crush Groove. There's Orange and Black. Ooh. All gangbangers. I'm sorry.

They look like gang... It was orange and black. Ooh. All gangbangers. I'm sorry. They look like gang. It was all, like, they was, most of them should have been in prison. They was all, like, the whole team was buff. It was like Rambo 3000

all, like, they did, like, thousands of push-ups and sit-ups before every match. Oh, my God. Like, so they were just bullying everybody.

And when they, when I was, I think it was, like, my junior year and they gave me that jersey, boy, you couldn't tell me shit. Like, I was wearing that motherfucking school, like, yeah. I made it. I think it was like my junior year and they gave me that jersey. Boy, you couldn't tell me shit.

Like I was wearing that motherfucking school. Like, yeah, I made it. I'm in here. I'm in here. It was like, there was the most feared adult team. For sure, for sure. And Mika, you said you couldn't afford jerseys back in the day.

And that's understandable. Even the champion had the good ones. Yeah, no, I couldn't afford, I only got one pair of shoes a year and I played four sports. Okay. And I, them, yeah, they had holes, they had everything, but I played four sports in them shits and gave everybody buckets and everything. Shut up, Gil.

No, I've heard people being that poor, but I never, like, talked to somebody up close. Yes. One shoe a year? What is your foot group? My mom had five kids. She's a single mom. That makes sense. Damn.

So it just passed me down. And I'm the only athlete. So she used to be like, I remember my uncle came to my game one day and I had a hole right here. My sock used to hang out. And I'm out here mixing people, but tripping because my sock is hanging out.

And he was like, why your mom didn't buy you no more shoes? My mom said, I buy no more shoes my mom said I Buy them all shoes at the same time. It's her fault that she's out here running around Like destroying them playing sports. I'm like mom. I'm an athlete like you have an athletic job But she didn't my mom don't play sports. You don't know she don't care She just knew she was on a budget and I was trying to ruin the budget What was going on with shoes back? I just thought about that

Yes, you did that every everybody's shoes had the little hole right here with a hole in the front. They don't do that no more No, they don't No more. Yeah, janky knockoff like my dad played in the league, but he was cheap and he had we got a bunch of kids Too all over We was we was I was just getting my older brother shit. They'd be two sides too big but yeah People think the NBA life is sweet. It was a different type back there. It's a different time back They were not strapping up But so you couldn't get a jersey they change. Yeah, but he was like that Sean Kev Larry Bird, you know

Oh, it's 20, you know, you know 17 baby mama's 20 kids They was having fun like Like, I'm your brother. Like, oh, okay. No, I'm just kidding. No, I'm just kidding. Oh, my God. I'm just kidding. I hope you're not watching the show. But if you couldn't, you know, if you could have bought a jersey, you said Magic, what other jerseys would you buy back?

And, like, what was that coveted jersey that you saw somebody buy? I mean, I'm from L.A. There was no jersey bigger than Magic in the 80s. You know what I'm saying? There was no one. I mean, you could say Kareem, but not really. Like, this city, Magic owned this city

when he came here. Like, that was it. Like, that, Magic coming here changed, I was a soccer player until Magic came to L.A. And I was like, oh, I'm about to hoop.

Like, he just changed my whole life, I feel like. And my uncle, of course, is a big Magic fan, so he's the one that kept, like, pressing me about, you know, you could really do this sport, you know. I was getting kicked out of all the soccer leagues for fighting and everything. And so I just, you know, I didn't know how to

handle my anger at that time as a child. Probably still don't a little bit now, but I'm working on it. I'm passionate. I'm working on it. I'm much better now that I'm a wealthy woman I don't do things that will harm my bag anymore, and so I'm smart, but yeah It was just a magic Jersey man. He was he was everything to me growing up. Thank you penny who I mean Phoenix Suns oh Okay, what player it was Barkley? But I you know back then you know that's when we used to carve shit in our head Used to carve like the yeah, so I always yeah always used to wear the Suns cuz no matter how you did it It was Suns. Oh my god Come on. I wasn't good with the flicking the eye shit. I'm pretty sure all those people who can do that

They flip the eyelids. I'm pretty sure they're in jail Psychopaths type stuff I was never do so the Suns and then you then you can play you see like that and they're like and then you flip it Like how about this? Yeah, but I was the coolest cornball and then I gave myself the Marbury part one time It's like a ninth grader But I didn't get the shit right and it kept extending out and it looked like the old FIBA like trapezoid free throw And then Mason who started that in NBC? It used to come with the elaborate shit. I don't know if he started.

Did he start? I don't know. That shit was cool, though. Shit. That shit was cool. That was the thing having like shit back then. That shit was cool. Unless you had a fucked up artist.

So this is what we call a segue, ladies and gentlemen. Gil, you mentioned the Suns, Barkley and that Suns jersey. Let's talk about two more recent Suns So the Suns did not still be retiring both Sean Marion and Amari Stoudemire's jerseys next season So both the matrix can stat were integral parts of those Suns offensive juggernaut squads in the mid-2000s as you know I believe you gave at least one of those teams that 50 piece 54 54 They average 58 wins from a 2004 to 08 finished first or second and offensive rating each of those seasons and went to

the Western Conference Finals twice so again when you look back and obviously Dan Tony revolutionized with that seven seconds or less offense trying to get buckets up really the Lakers were doing that back in the day if we're keeping it a stack anybody who's watching winning time season two Like what's the fun is there was move if you look at like they were averaging there were teams back in like I don't know If it was the 80s or the 70s They were averaging a hundred and seventeen 119 points a game There was teams that was moving way faster than today's game. Yeah for sure Like even back like Elgin Baylor day, I feel like there were some of those, that's why

he was putting up like 38 and 22 a game. They was going and cooking, not worrying about no shot clock. But Gil, when you look at those Suns, how good were those Suns teams with Sean Murray and Omari Stoudemire? No, they were a really tough team to guard. I mean, you know, when you did pit yet for out Right and then when Amari, you know set the screen and when he was rolling He was rolling to dunk soon as he touched the ball. So you couldn't hard show you couldn't go wonder It was like one of those things where you know, if you if you tried to help from the corner traditional defense

they got shooters sitting around so It made the team very complicated to guard. And then I remember when they brung in Grant Hill and they added a wrinkle to it where when they do the pick and roll, Grant Hill flashes from the other box in so you can pass it to him, and then he hits Amari. I mean, they had a very hard scheme to really just study on. So I do give D'Antoni credit for that offensive, them plays he had. It was nice.

For sure. Great on offense. Defense was solid, too, but they get over that. Never played any defense, ever. But, I mean, D'Antoni had a skill, you know what I'm saying? And it worked. He did everything. I think the front office giving him the players that he needed to fulfill that that's a lost art sometimes these days to me everybody's

kind of going to get players that are just big names or they thinking can get them points and all this stuff but not thinking about the scheme of the coach and that's kind of how everything gets a little fucked up so props to them for you know uh supporting him and getting him the players they had it was fun to watch it. It was a different kind of basketball. I don't remember the Baylor, all that shit you were talking about, but that was my first time seeing people get up and down the court like that.

It was kind of crazy, but then the reason that they really weren't successful was because they didn't play defense. You get to the playoffs, it's a little different. But it seems now the league has kind of shifted to more of an offensive-minded league. So how good would those Suns be in today's version? Today's version? I mean, this is their game.

Like you go double overtime with a team like them, they'd fuck around and hit 200. Because they shot the ball so fast. So if you had a game between them and the Suns, you would fuck around and have record breaking numbers if everyone's on fire. Because Suns, people don't realize that even when Joe Johnson was there, they were nice. And Joe Johnson was coming off the bench. He wasn't really the Joe Johnson that we got to know know but when you're talking about the Barbosa and all them you you had like top-tier shooter Jason Richardson Queen Richardson like they had Shooters. Yes, so, you know like

Rajah bail you had you know, you know, yeah, what three four players on a team in the top ten in three-point percentage So you couldn't really do nothing. They were shooting every seven seconds. So Yeah, it was fun. It was fun. It was fun to watch. Yeah, they're running table. I mean They would compete if nothing else. Yeah, for sure. Definitely compete. It would be exciting action So recently Sean Marion said he's a huge part of small ball and the small ball revolution. And also that he helped change the game. I'll read the quote from the Las Vegas Review Journal. I can honestly say I changed the game.

I was a big part of changing the game. What we're watching right now, small ball positionless basketball was challenging. Of course, I wasn't on board with it at first. I'm 6'7", 230. You got me guarding seven footers. That wasn't an easy adjustment, but I did it. We did it. We did it It is what it is now. It's what everybody's doing now

So he took a little bit of heat when he first said this But how instrumental was when you go back and look at his numbers double doubles like he was he was doing his thing No, I mean, you know at the at the four three Position I mean, yeah, he was he was exciting You know, I it, yeah, he was exciting. It probably hurt him on defense, but he had the advantage on offense because you have slower guys guarding you.

And what Sean Marion was great at is his second jump was phenomenal. He can get off the floor, bounce, and get back up. So he was beating people to that second rebound. But small ball started with Chicago Bulls. People don't realize that. Your point guard, 6'4", 6'5", Jordan, 6'6", Scottie Pippen, 6'7", Dennis Rodman, 6'8", then you had Luke Longley. When he came out, you had Tony Cuco. so you had a small ball unfortunately it was just

big small ball you know they were the biggest small ball team because their point guard was at 6'4 and Rodman would run some of that 4-5 late in the game too

like they wouldn't you know Luke Longley and those dudes were just in there obviously at the beginning of the game then they subbed him out put Tony Kukoc in

then Dennis Rodman is the 5 at 6'8 so they diversity hires as we say for the league let me say this so when you

and this is not a dig at him, Mary, but a lot of players come out and say things like, I did this. You didn't do this. The coaching scheme did this. A lot of these guys don't even like it. Imagine if Jordan came out and said, you know, I was a part, I'm the reason to triangle.

Like, no, you wasn't. That was somebody else's idea. You were a player. Most of them didn't, like he said, he didn't even want to do it. So how are you saying you, no, you wasn't. That was somebody else's idea. You were a player. Most of them didn't even, like he said, he didn't even want to do it. So how are you saying it was you? No, you just did your job. Give that credit to the coach.

But he, I mean, at least embraced it and didn't suck at it. Yeah. So, you know what I mean? I didn't suck at it. Yeah, I was one of the people that they experimented on first. But it's not your thing.

You know what I mean? The credit comes for, the credit comes with the player is Do the willingness to adapt quick enough? Yeah Like you know when I got put into Princeton, right? I bucked the fuck is this everybody touched the ball this and this you give me the playbook and then I get to go through It and try to visualize what I'm doing here Watching Jason kid trying to figure out how he manipulates it and do all that then I found doing here, watching Jason Kidd trying to figure out how

he manipulates it and do all that, then I found my style inside that. But there's guys, you put them in situations they don't know how to change their game, which means they don't have a complete basketball balance of scoring. They can't do everything. Yeah, they can't do everything. They're good at this, but they're not good at overall. So if someone comes on the team, like if you're a guy that handles the ball and I say, well, shit, I got a better ball handler or someone who fits everybody else,

I need you to do something else, and you don't know how, that becomes, yeah. You can't consider yourself a great basketball player. You have to be able to adapt to every different type of person. What player in today's game would you compare to Sean Marion if you had to look around? Ooh. Sean Marion. Today? Yes.

Chad, you can chime in, too. I know y'all watching. Damn. I'm trying to think. There are... Even somebody like Iguodala, right? But, you know, Sean was still faster off the jump.

It's different. It's hard to mimic players like that. Yeah. He was like a little spider monkey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just never get him to stay on the ground. He was just always bouncing in the way, getting these rebounds, just stay on the ground. He was just always bouncing in the way, getting these rebounds,

just harassing the boards. Yeah. You know people say P.J. Tucker. No, fuck no. Don't do that. Don't do that. I'm just saying with the chat, it's saying give. Don't do that.

P.J. Tucker. P.J. Tucker can't touch the backboard. I don't remember if he was ever able to jump. Was he ever able to? I don't know. P.J. Tucker. P.J. I don't think he has a PJ. Does he have a career?

Don't jump to the shoes. Like, I'm going to have to put some money. I'll put a whole 50 on it. Yeah, I don't remember him being able to jump. Aaron Gordon. No, that does fit a little bit. It's shorter, but that does fit a little bit more. Yeah, but less fast equipment.

Aaron Gordon, I mean, hmm. He just doesn't match all the way. But I can see that way more than PJ. I mean, you just doesn't, it doesn't match all the way. But I can see that way more than PJ. I mean, you're talking about a guy who's like up and down fast. I mean, besides this freaky shot, but I mean, you're talking about somebody who's, he's going to backdoor you. He's going to defend. I mean, he was guarding me when I got on fire. You know, he's a 4'5", 3", guarding me.

So he'd go from me to Antoine Jamerson, you know what I mean? So he was one of those guys that played... His best talent was he was adaptable. That was his skill. His skill was a chameleon. You can put

him on the floor with anybody and he will adapt. If you said, yo, I need you to play the point guard for five minutes, he'd do a good job at it. Yeah, that's hard to find somebody. Yeah, that's hard. Right off, I would have had to do some research and really think about it. Chad coming hard with the Jeremy Grants and the Bruce Browns. Bruce Browns.

I can see the Bruce Brown because of the energy level. Grant, though? I mean, he has the Bruce Brown energy. Yeah, for sure. There's so many different pieces that have to combine into one player. So you see one little thing from each one of them. Put all of them together, we just said. And then that's him.

We might need to trade the chat. No. No, we good. Chat, y'all can stay. But we are making some phone calls, just so you know. And we talk about stat, crazy dunks in the league. I mean, just freaky athleticism What was the craziest dunk or thing that you saw Amari doing again?

Probably Jordan can't Yeah, um, I'm when I first seen him They dropped it boom and he just grabbed it like he didn't even look at the room He just jumped right and tried to dunk on like The office and the defense right it was all of us down there and he just tried to jump on everybody and I thought yo What's going on? He's like, yeah I'm just told anytime I get close to the rim just try to dunk it and I remember we was we were Was that Golden State, and I was like, yo, the Mari Stoudemire kid is nice.

Right? We had the third pick. And it was like, I don't know, we didn't see them, and they picked Dunleavy. Which is, you know, my teammate. You know, no, that's my AAU teammate. But I seen it because I seen it at Jordan camp, so I seen how he was playing.

I was like, yo, this dude's going to be nice. Yeah. That was my best day when he was dunking on everybody at the Jordan camp. Okay, for sure. I just used to watch him. You could tell that was his energy. Every game, that was his goal, to catch somebody. And that's fun to me.

Yeah. I enjoyed it. I want to get microfracture, too, if I'm not mistaken. Nah. Oh, that was so awful that he had to go through that. Back in those days. See, this is when you wish players, like, they were in the same era, like him and Blake Griffin. Oh, I would have loved to see the Clippers, that Clipper team versus them.

Them checking each other. Yeah. Oh, the only time I ever went to a Clipper game versus them. Them checking each other. Yeah. That was the only time I ever went to a Clipper game. It would have unified the black community. So let's keep this thing moving. We got to talk a little bit about your Adidas brethren, Anthony Edwards. So last week we had Trey.

We talked about the fact that there was a very limited representation of Adidas guys on the team. He is one of those guys. He's been excelling. But apparently the NBA must have watched that Riverfront brawl. He got reminded about that chair incident because this week the NBA announced they're fining Anthony Edwards 50 grand for that incident that happened back in the playoff series

against the Nuggets. I don't even know. We got the video, so let's watch it. I mean, I remember when it happened. I'm just like, he just moved the chair out the way. He picked it up. Okay, he did pick it up and give it a little relocation. He was just gentrifying the chair, moving it to a new neighborhood.

Who got hit? Nobody. And somebody act like they died. Wait. A woman? Wasn't it a woman that acted like? No, that one right there, the one in the blue. No, rewind that again.

Can y'all slow it down? Back it to the left. Look at it. He picks it up, and then, no. So no one got hit. No, yeah, some woman sued him, said she got hurt, she went to the hospital. It'd be the... But that's what I'm saying.

It'd be the woman in the blue, but you can see he just put it down. But I can't tell. See that other one? You see how her back is turned? You see that? Blonde? On the right side. Right there. Oh, yeah, that one. Yeah, so it's the one up... The back of the chair looked like it clipped her. Yeah. one facing- The back of the chair looked like it clipped her.

Yeah. The leg, the leg of the chair looked like it clipped her, but it wasn't that deep. It wasn't a big deal. Yeah. Obviously, Edwards was frustrated after the loss, lightly touched it, but there was a criminal investigation that was dropped. Charges were dismissed, but the lead stepped in and said 50K. I see your face.

I gotta add, do you think he deserved a $50,000 fire? From what I'm seeing, like, he held his restraint. Like, he got mad and then put it down. Like, it's not like he threw it. He picked it up, threw it down. I mean, I mean, put it down. It was probably in the walking area anyway. So he probably literally was just, you know, if it's just sticking out a little bit

and you're already hostile, you're skipping through and you skipping through and you see you just move it like I'm not Even saying that he even was mad about the chair be I'm you know I mean like he was gonna do something with it He could have just simply been moving it because he's mad he just walking through Yeah, for sure. I got that they just reach him right now like this is stupid Well to be honest, let's just be honest, right It's five5,000 today. For them, that's five grand.

That's five grand. 50 will always be 50, though. I know, yeah, it is. But remember, he just signed. He just signed with 260. Yeah, that man has money. I've been like, you say what? It's a little cheap these days. It's cereal box money

I might say the NBA was waiting for the investigation to happen, but it's like that should happen. We forgot Like they're reaching cuz you nobody even remember this just let it go. I'm pretty sure you probably had to pay her something Undisclosed maybe let it go Probably but I mean you're looking at it's like Like he got mad and just put it down and kept it moving like this is what's the difference? I mean we've seen worse ones when the dude punched through a glass He's kicking something like those are the ones you really set an example where yeah 50 grand I think that's just I think that's just bare minimum now

I think the 50 grand is just anything anything that they just are Shorts too long 50. I remember they used to do that us Shorts too long 10 grand Shorts too long sure so long 10 grand. They like bringing the ruler out to measure it No, no, no, no, just eyeballs. So if it was below your kneecap What if you were sagging if you were sagging that counted? counted? Of course. That was our generation, Gil. I know. We couldn't go through the legs. We was the only generation that couldn't go through the legs.

Yeah, that rollie. All crossover behind the backs. Bunch of in and outs. Sometimes you got to sacrifice. It's crazy to see, like, 70s, 80s. Like, my pops got the old jerseys. I remember being, like, nine years old, and that shit was snug on me even then. Versus, like, you know, 90s with the whole Fab Fire. Everybody went super baggy. Now these kids are going back to

tight fit it Daisy mediums. Oh Wait, so research so speaking of doing stuff after loss of Amari punched a fire extinguisher So what's the mattis you've been after a game? He punched a what I think he punched a fire thing metal Sure, you're so angry trip Tripping yeah, yeah Have you ever done anything in anger like that? Punch something. Yeah, it was a stupid. Whatever. I'm gonna punch ain't gonna

Can't beat that wall You can't beat that wall Mmm-hmm that see, it's coming back. Probably like a chair, you know. Okay. Kick the top of the chair, because I know it's going to fall over, and then it hit the back of my hamstring and kind of hurt me. Because you know how you step over and you push it,

and then it like clips back? Learned my lesson. Don't break your own shit. Oh, my God. Learned that. The worst thing I ever did was like the soccer goal, the net behind the goal. I remember like shredding that shit in a game, like that I got kicked out of, like so they can't finish the game.

With what? With a knife. You had a knife on you? Where'd you get your knife from? Like a little pocket one? I used to get chased home from school. I had a... The thick blade would kind of...

I had a little, the one where you hit the button and it pop out like that. Oh shit. I used to get chased home from school. The thick blade would kind of... I had one of you hit the button and it pop out. Oh shit. One of those, I don't know what it's called. It was called a knife. Yeah, like a switch blade. Yeah, I remember I was just, I was upset. I was a childish little girl.

Hey, whatever. But I remember just going over to the net and just going, like cutting it so they couldn't finish the game because I got kicked out the soccer game just going over to the net and just going, shh, like cutting it so they couldn't finish the game because I got kicked out the soccer game for fighting. Fighting the net? Fighting a girl. So you fought the girl, got kicked out, and then slashed it. Yeah, game over.

They said machete mico. Game over. Machete mico. That's what you. Hey, somebody pull a knife for you, they mean business. You got chased home from school. Growing up, yeah, I lived in the gang neighborhood. Did you have the Jordans on?

Kind of fun. We heard what kind of shoes you had earlier I don't think nobody was in the league what he wasn't a player when I'm old Gil when I was I was born in 1975 there was no Jordans when I was a kid he came into the league when I was in high school Yes, so they were still in the old, what shoes was back then? Shit. I just had right there. The old ABA. There was a lot of LA gear. I used to wear those.

LA gear was the shit. I used to shit for a little bit. They had British Knights. I used to wear those. BK? You couldn't wear those in certain communities. Exactly. BK, CK, I remember all that shit. Yeah, I used to. The LA, and there's been videos on this shit, but the LA culture, you couldn't wear so much shit back in the day.

Yeah. Back when it was really serious. I just mean that. It just don't mean facts, right? Yeah. Even women, even girls, it was hostile. It was crazy, but that's where I grew up. After a while, people kind of realized who we were.

Oh, that's the girl that we play. I was always at Rogers Park. Yeah playing it She's just a little you can be a fan of sports teams Astros has you're getting pressed Padres hat I mean anything you were there was the coolest Raiders because he was like in the middle like they know what you Nobody fucks Neutral use the Hispanic wait, hold on Nobody fuck with the waiters on was neutral. Yeah, you're six panic wait. Oh What is it well groomed index finger, okay? I've upgraded so I've upgraded from thumb face to somebody in the chat said I look like a well-groomed index finger

How do you groom an index finger right? This is rude that you even read niggas. Everybody's sitting there looking like, uh. Like, huh? That's so disrespectful. That's why I say, y'all get good DMs. I'm not going to show y'all my shit. It's none of that. Nigga, you suck.

I mean, I get a couple people talking shit, telling, you know, niggas are weird calling me ugly. If you call me ugly, you weird. But if you call somebody ugly, you better be good looking. Yeah, I don't even care. Of course, they'll be having a profile. You're projecting at that point. Niggas are just mad.

You better be a model if you're saying that. So what's the dumbest thing you got fined for during the game, Gil? We know about some other situations, but game related. I used to get fined for having the long shorts. Yeah.

Multiple times? You didn't learn your lesson? Or you just said, fuck it? No, because back then, having the big shorts means you was the big guy. So I used to take the center shorts. Give me the 55. Give me the 54s. Right?

And then shoe coloring. Which all NBA players, y'all should thank me seriously because back then it was black and white and you know our jerseys was like that that blue and then when the throwback started coming we had the orange and i will wear orange shoes and then the nba writing that says you can't wear colored shoes for a game. So I got smart and it says game. So okay I'll wear it for half. So I'll wear, so you'll see pictures of me wearing all orange shoes, all blue shoes and

that wasn't part of NBA color coordinate. So they couldn't find me because I only wore it for like halves. So it had to be a full game? So full game, so the first time full game worn in and then if you wear it for a game, then it's a fine. So I just wear it in halves and then they were trying to figure out how to do it. Then that's when T-Mac came out with the red and the blue. So Adidas was like, yo, just keep pushing it. So like me, T-Mac was just sitting there.

That's why you see if you see back is we're the only ones with colored shoes They're paying those fines even the all-star game my Yeah, this one when I had to like like the White yellow and green for the all-star game Even though it also is white red and blue and I got all these different colors that they resemble gambling All right. I just I just changed, just did anything with the colors.

So I'm reading a little bit on this. So David Stern was dishing out 10K fines and 50K fines for teens for the shorts issue. Shorts cannot extend below.1 inch above the knee. Yeah, so you got yourself, AI. AI damn Kyle Korver was getting in it, uh-huh John Salmons, right? Yes, but yeah, the six we gotta find like 200k the sixes because four of those guys did it Damn, y'all are some wild boys back then wild boy with shorts There was a different time though 5x white tees Oversized wees, the oversized.

We all rocked the oversized shit. Like some dudes had 7X. You could tell how gangster you were by the size of your white tee that you were wearing. 7X. They had the 7X. That was crazy. Like Atlanta and them dudes, they looked like skirts, but that was the game. All right, so let's talk a little bit about incoming rookie

Victor Wimbinyama. NBA 2K ratings were released this week. Spurs number one pick Victor Wimbinyama made some history. Now this is according to NBA 2K. Wimby's 84 overall rating before playing an actual NBA game is the highest for a rookie in the history of the game. As you know we we don't care about what 2K says. We got our own research team. They go above and beyond. So according to our research team, the previous high for a rookie belonged to our very own Canyon Martin, who was an 86 in 2K1.

That was the highest rookie before? Allegedly, according to our research. When did the game come out? Like 99, I believe. Ronnie 2K probably wouldn't know that because Ronnie 2K came after. I think Ronnie came in around 08. Yeah. So they're rewriting history.

So is that good? As a rookie? Yeah. My son, I helped him create his player, and he was trying to, he didn't really, didn't know, like, what makes a good basketball player. He didn't play, you know, he was more of a soccer, tennis kid. And as I was helping him create his players, when I realized, like, oh, your arm length, like, your height, your speed, like, they calculate all that for your rating.

So 86 is good for a rookie. Very good. So for the sake of comparison, Zion Williamson was an 81 overall rating. Don't look, Gil. LeBron James was a 78 in his rookie season. Then he jumped to 88 in his second year. Gil, do you remember your first NBA 2K rookie rating? I was the second rounder, so maybe.

What's the lowest? 50. 50 is the lowest? I thought it was zero. No, no, there's always a baseline. I'd say you was a 50, Pop. Let's just say 50 because they don't want to be mean. Okay, so 55?

No, you were a 66 rookie year, 76 your second year, 82 your third year, 84 your fourth year, 90 your fifth year, 84 your fourth year, 90 your fifth year, 93 your sixth year, there's only nine players ahead of them. 07-08 you were a 96. Only ones above you that year were Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, Wade, and KG. Look at him. I don't even know why we even told him. Moving up every year.

Say that again. Where'd I start off at? 66. 66. they keep going 76 82 84 90 93 96 It's in a skybox I

Didn't play 07 08 don't matter Wow, and it's the funny part is I never play with myself. I Was trying to win. Hey, yo I'll try to win. Oh, you never play with yourself. You you got me Clip it Before games. Yeah, I've never yeah, I use the calves Okay With LeBron and I got the one you know, it was at the two. Okay, Donna Marshall. Yeah, I might you back

Gauskis and yeah, my team was tall Would you take it lightly on yourself when you play it against yourself in the game? I'm trying to lose up. I'm trying to win you cooking win. I know going out there trying to score 76 with yourself is cool, but not online. Online, you're trying to win. I just had the tallest line up and set in the zone. Yeah.

As you know, like Rashad always says, I didn't play in the NBA, so I didn't have a ranking. But I will say, my son didn't know who he was until 2K. Oh, seriously? Yeah, he never. I mean, a lot of kids probably don't. You know what I mean? But that game, it actually helps.

Like, as problematic as it probably is for certain things that, you know. But, like, the game actually teaches the kids about people that are great. Because he's never going to go on YouTube and watch your clips and shit, but he see your rating when you play. I just found out you can go to different years. I'm learning all this stuff. You can go to the year you was lit and play as you.

And then, when they need three-point shooters, they go and look. Yeah, you're right. At least they learn. And we can't confirm this is the lowest, but the Red Mamba Brian Scalabrini boasted a rating of 40 overall NBA 2K12.

Wow. That makes sense. Yeah, that seems valid now that I'm looking at the career. That makes sense. No O-Pack 10 beef. Well, what I'm saying is that makes sense. Why would he be above that? Yeah, the red mamba The white mamba would that's pretty disrespectful below 40. You should be the red mamba

They say we need to start a beef with Calabrini it'll help our profile Just attack you got a whole what 62 fans? Hello Scali he gave us buggies in college. Hey every year him Jeff Trepanier that Luton thaw they had a Jeff Trepanier probably the highest junk like what was that what they had to uh, The wild one it was my sophomore year with a dead farmer fucking it for my oh Not Jordan for mark death as before he's like lefty like yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was geeky 27 Red Bulls just going talking crazy like he could hoop though. Shout out does the farmer wherever you have Huh? You're directing.

You're on scouting. Oh, he's back up there? See, y'all take care of y'all crew. Y'all going to get. Now we're all going to the Big Ten. I'm going to miss y'all. We're not going to be. So 84 is kind of high for someone who hasn't played in the NBA.

Because I was going to ask you, back to Wimby, 84 rating. Does Wimby deserve the highest rating for a rookie in 2K history? Well, I mean, if you go off of what she was saying where limbs, height, that's what gives you a rating. But you put them higher than Zion? Well, Zion's 6'7 at the time. I'm just saying, Zion coming into the league, did he feel more league ready than Wimby is right now based on what we've seen in summer league?

I don't know because we didn't really see much of Zion in summer league either. But I mean, that's what I'm saying. I don't think it has to do with just the matrix of his body size. And what they anticipate how that will impact the game, you know. So it brings me to my next question. Everyone putting too much pressure and

unrealistic expectations on Wimby to be a star immediately. Obviously, this 2K is just kind of a sample reference, but he feels like he has the most hype. We've talked about this before. Most hype coming in at any player that we've seen. Did his thing in Summer League. He cooked, but he also didn't cook at points, too. I mean, he played two games, right? First game was kind of eh. Second game... All we can do is just

wait and see. I just want to see like he just seems like the first game is the one that was a little tricky and that's the game where he didn't look like he had his sea legs yet. You know what I mean? He really like a deer that

just came out the vagina and walking around like trying to figure out life and where he was It was very weird. Yeah, you know I'm saying so I'm just and then the second game he looked a little more normal But that's why I'm like like I haven't seen anything yet. That's like 84 yeah, like yeah the running with Britney Spears to unfortunate security team. Oh, that was valid He should be honest. He should just from just from the glimpses of what we've seen, right? He I mean 18 and 18 9 and 10 like 18 and 10 19 that's gonna be that's gonna be easy for him for Wimby this first year

He can dunk what else like without jumping That's crazy. So so most tip don't he go is he's gonna be shooting shit and tipping it back He's gonna be fucking people up because the height difference. Yeah, but think about ball ball, too We don't see like it's really depends on if you get the opportunity if it's you know ball ball is more of an outside guy wimby plays outside but you see he'll shoot a three and run in and go try to dunk it back too so he does a lot of trying to get his own tip dunks and like so there's going to be a lot of rebound putting back so he's going to get at least eight to ten points just on that alone it doesn't seem like on the defensive side just even watching the summer league, he was

beating a lot of shit and getting to the ball. It seemed like defense, he'll be fine. But from the offensive side, now having to go bang with some of these bigger dudes, and Lee, you don't think that's going to be an issue at all for him? Offensively? Yeah. Because he's too skilled. Like, what is it?

Lopez, he's going to Lopez, I'll bring you out here. What are you gonna do? Go around you like Gar, I mean his problems gonna be when you put like those tweening guys on him. Yeah, like the Like the Jason Tatum types He's gonna he's gonna still try to do all these moves on him and try to shoot over top of him versus just grabbing the ball All right I'm just gonna you know

So once he realizes that make the game easier for himself you get a big take him off the dribble you get a small She read over him. He's in the right hands I mean, he's with one of the greatest coaches ever like if he don't learn nothing there. He'll learn it over else So if you had the opportunity to work with Wimby on the offensive side, what kind of stuff would you be working with him on just to help him get ready for his first season in the league? Just simplifying it, right? You know, especially for your first year, just try to make it as simple as possible,

right? It's just, you know, if you have a big, right, you know, try to create space. Use your ball handling against bigs who can't move themselves side to side. Try to take them off the dribble. We get anybody, you know, 6'9 and below, right, turn and shoot, right? You know, Tim Duncan style, just pump fake, pump fake, you know, hands down, jump and shoot. You know, it's just one of those just with him just keep it simple until you get your rhythm Until you really understand grasp the understanding of the game versus, you know Get the ball and we gonna sit here and do all the moves that we've been doing and you know

You're all the one-legged threes like now we're gonna cut that out right now until you get your shit together For me, it would be strength training, obviously. He's, you know, he's a toothpick, you know, and it's fine, but like you said, when the playoffs happen, it's a more aggressive game. It's a different kind of game, and what you don't want

is people just being able to push him out of the way. You want to give him some type of, you know, some strength, you know, to be able to handle all the bumping that he's going to get. Because everybody's going to want to see if he's a paper mache kind of guy, you know? So me, I would be really focusing on strength training, not making him gain weight like that. You're going to gain a little weight putting on muscle and building strength, but just

making sure that he's strong enough to handle 82 games and the playoffs. So let's just hypothetically, you're a Wimby. Is there a guy that you would be watching to kind of pattern your game after, or is he just an anomaly? Hey, if he can fucking get big like Giannis, because Giannis was, I'm just saying, but Giannis with the toothpick coming in, even if he can get a little bit. Somebody like him? I mean. Like a KG, maybe?

I'm just trying to. Like, no, no. can get a little bit... Somebody like him? I mean... Like a KG maybe? I'm just trying to... No, no. Like you can go KD and old Anthony Davis. Okay. What do you mean old? The one before the Lakers? The young Pelicans, the first two years

where it was like... The one that played in 75, 80, that? Yeah, yeah, that one. That first couple years. The real unibrow one. Okay. Not the half man, half a citizen. No, no, no, no. Version? Like that early Anthony Davis where, you know, lobs to the rim, getting at the

free throw line, just one dribble, he's at the rim. That guy. I think a mixture between Giannis and Embiid. I feel like that's a goal. Like, put them two together with his height. That should be a goal for him, to be able to mix what both of them do. And that would be great. If he becomes that, he's probably going to be seen as what everybody's predicting.

For sure. And, Gil, you know you play a lot of video games. Who's the best player you play with on a basketball video game? It could be any point in history. Like, you know, Bo Jackson, Tecmo Bowl was Chico. Oh Mike Tyson um Mike Vic my yeah Mike Vic Mike Tyson punch out That was that was a game probably brawn

Oh for y'all I forgot what year but he had this move where he drives baseline when he's going baseline And instead of going out of bounds of the like hook back in right so you can just just drive baseline the whole time just put it all the way towards the baseline and it'll come back on court the 13 now I would 2013 and then it was a there was a cheat there was one where I don't know what year it was wrong for Kobe but he had he had this this this weird spin that just got by everybody. James Harden's a cheat code too sometimes. Yeah, I don't play those games.

I'm double dribble, hit him to the corner. Y'all's a cheat code. Y'all's a cheat code. On street. No, no, no. You go like all team Houston, shit like that, and when a guy yowl at his best, oh, yeah, that's... You know, you jump an elbow at the...

You know how it is, like, it be glitching, his elbow scoring, shit like that. My son, he's always... Like, I show him, like, I bought this old-school video game, one thing that has all the games, like, I want to say, like, 10,000 games on it or whatever, and we were playing, and he was like, how did you guys deal with this?

He's like, this is awful. I would have never been able to play video games back in the day. Like, we didn't have what y'all had. It was the shit when it came out, though. This was lit. This was everything when we played. Even when you played like Street Fighter, which was amazing, you play it now, you're like, what the fuck is this?

Yeah, it's like, ha, ha, ha. I feel like NBA Jam stands the test of time now. Yeah. Because that was like, you know, you go to Vegas for AU terms, whatever, but everybody would just be at the arcade, gathered around whoever the nicest were, and then the little codes you could put in. Airbud.

Airbud. Get the dog out there, bud. Let's take it back down memory lane a little bit. So we got to give first some love to Joy D'Angelo, who's become a voice for the old heads. So she got Dr. J to sit down, kind of took some shots at super

teams at KD, and most recently she sat down with Hall of Famer Rick Berry. Berry clapped back on everybody hating on his generation and calling them plumbers. I've had many people say, well, Rick, you guys wouldn't be able to play with these guys today. I said, OK, what drugs are you on? OK, because you've got a problem. Because if you really understood the game and you really knew what the difference was between when we played and the guys playing here. We had nothing to help us. I didn't have an agility coach.

I didn't have a dietician. I didn't travel on charter planes so that we could get a good night's sleep and get to the next city and have a nice day. We drove ourselves around in rental cars. I mean, we had $8 a day per diem. These guys get, you know, chartered food on their planes. We didn't have whirlpools, and we didn't have saunas, and we didn't have masseuses, and we didn't have saunas, and we didn't have masseuses,

and we didn't have any of that. If I played today, I would be faster, and I was pretty fast, okay, and quick. I'd be faster, stronger, quicker, more endurance, jump higher. I would be so much better a basketball player because I had none of those things available to me. It's absolutely crazy how much better the guys that I played with the Oscar Robertsons of Jerry West all of us As good as we were would be even greater playing today Wow Eight dollars a day per diem you know, but back in those days you could buy a house for a dollar so they'd have No, I mean I heard everything that he said that we have that he didn't, but he had one thing that we can't use today.

It's cocaine. I'm just saying. I mean, I'm just saying that did a whole lot. I mean, you can... They was playing 82. Allegedly. Sure. They was putting that shit in the room.

They had drugs back then. Fuck this. Because when I came in the league, they were still using it. It was like a horse. They used it for horses. Oh, wow. Right? So you crush up an aspirin, put it on.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They used to put it in their wounds and put it in their ass. Yeah, y'all was wearing it. Put it in like Vaseline. Yep. And rub it in. And then just rub it on and boom. Yeah, I heard about all that kind of stuff.

That was their... Yeah, he had a lot of headless. And they had, I mean, they wore Converse and Chucks, but God damn it, they had some shit that could combat that. Smoking cigarettes on planes and shit. You know what I think is interesting? Like, I look at, you know, I kind of talk about all sports, not just basketball, and I look back.

I never see these other sports trashing, like, today's players are just better. That's it. Like football players not calling. Nobody's going back in other sports and saying, oh, we were better. We were good enough. Everybody acknowledges that right now.

The football players now, they're just better. The baseball player, they're just better. That's just what it is. I don't know what it is about basketball where people are so upset that the newer generations are better. They just are. Who cares? I mean, football is hard because the old guys got CTE, so they don't know what's going on. Just to be honest, they don't know. Tell the truth.

I'm just saying they just... Tell the truth. They don't know what mashed potatoes or applesauce. They don't know the difference at this point. So it's kind of hard for them. But basketball, because it's more like skill. If you guys had our technology, would you be better than you were? Yeah, probably.

Maybe. But at the end of the day, you was an anomaly. You would just be what you were then. Yeah, you was an anomaly versus the people you were. Right? Back in the 80s, there's like five guys that had 38 plus verticals. Mm-hmm. That's easy.

If you have a 38, you're, like, below average today. Yeah, yeah. Right? I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Rick. But, I mean, you show me a white guy that's dominating the league since Bird. That's dominating the league since Bird. What show?

Luca. Even, even. He's foreign. Stop. Even human beings. We're talking about the American white guy that he would have been training with like everybody else. Because we have school. We don't have the advantages the Euros do.

Right? So we're talking about that American white dude who would be in class with us. You let us know where has it been. Chet Holmgren. Chet Comigil. We don't know. But Chet likes Jamaican food. But what I'm saying is, you're like you're making food. What I'm saying on the free. What I'm saying is like

You're talking about you know an era where? You that don't exist anymore. Yeah, even human beings just people in general are better more in shape more The shoes are different. They're just technology There's nothing you could do about that the like the people of today like regular not people that didn't make it in Professional basketball probably could have played pro back then. You know what I mean? Like, it's just this how it is. You know, everybody's elevated, not just the athletes, but regular people's bodies are elevated and better and, you know, more in shape and everything. We got technology, too.

They didn't know. But that's what it's the delusion of the overall game. Right. Right. You guys were apex of your time. Yeah. What about everybody else? Right?

What about everybody you were playing against? You guys had seven drafts. I want you all to understand the concept of what seven drafts mean. So seven rounds in the draft. Seven rounds of the same number, 30. So that means back then, every year, 260-something people were being drafted into the

NBA. You're playing against those guys. You're getting stats against those guys. Now, if we narrow it down to only 54, and out of the 54, only what, 30 might actually make the roster? Be all right. Right? Only 30 might actually make that roster.

So it's harder now. Yeah. You're talking about, you know, some of you guys are 10, 12 all-stars in. Couldn't even make a team. 12 teams, 14 teams. Our all-stars today, a guy who makes two all-stars, that's equivalent to at least six of yours.

Back in the day. Easy. You got guys coming off the bench making all-stars in Hall of Fame. Fucking no way in today's game. You guys are sickos. Just let it go. I mean, listen, we might be on Percocets in this era. Percocets in a little lean, which does us a disjustice to contribute to the game.

We can't play in today's game on Percocets. I mean, we can't play on Percocets, but it slows us down. That Booger Sugar, whoo! Y'all good. Y'all can go. Yes. Speedy Gonzales. All right. Listen, it's a dumb argument. It's a dumb argument because evolution does make it better.

But if you're telling me that if we gave you guys all the tools that you guys had, that we have in your day. So let me just read this. That's just like saying, all right, put us all back in your day. I'll score 100. One for a flat to shit out of a white dude who can't move left and right. Oh, shit. And don't play in the fourth quarter. It's fun.

Put Steph Curry in your era. Barbecue. You can't do it. So I don't even know why we still be having these debates. Niggas will be falling out of them Converse. Yeah, so I'm just treating this note for y'all 1960 1968 drafts went 21 rounds 21, but some rounds were only one Some rounds some of those technical rounds were only one pick there were 101 picks in total in 1960

So 74 they stabilized the 10 rounds except 77 when there were eight And then 1985 the draft was shortened to seven Bad So there were nine teams in the NBA when Rick entered in 1965 I mean that made the competition harder do I know we always talk about the the less teams But wouldn't that make it harder to actually get in in theory? No, because they're having the rounds I'm I'm saying there's only nine teams, though. So to be able to stick in the league... You just had to be better than the trash truck dude.

Yeah, if you could play, yeah. Just be better than the dude selling you cars. I'm pretty sure they had second jobs, right? Yeah. Yeah. Right, they was like baby mamas. I mean, they get in child support, but to really survive, you need a second job. So that era, we're going gonna call that the baby mama era.

They was like baby mamas. They got Etsy's, they got Trinket's, the jewelry's. But now think about the accolades, right? You have nine teams, but the all-star game is still 24 people, right? First team, second team. So if you was the starter, you made the team, second team. So, if you was a starter, you made the all-star team. You know how sorry you

had to be to not make the all-star team in that era? Bum. Like, I mean, you literally, like, come on. They say it's like little bit. But as I said, this is the AAU circuit era.

You was the start. If you was the starting one and two. I mean, like think about an all-star game, right? You got, what, 12? Right, so three guards, six guards, three fours, and, you know, three centers. Shit, back then, two centers? So six, four, and two. So six guards and four swing men, too. If you was a guard in the NBA

guarantee you're guaranteed an all-star vote you come off the bench have 20 minutes all-star yeah that's why it's a dumb argument it's just you should just respect that this as time goes the next generation is gonna be better too but imagine you're old head right you're watching CBS all the time because you don't have cable. You just watch America's Most Watched Network for old people. You old, and everybody just talking about y'all were plumbers, and y'all were this, y'all were that. You're playing in Chucks.

What's wrong with the truth? Racism alive and well. Like I always say, they smeared doo-doo on Bill Russell's wall. These were his fans of his team. On his wall, like his house wall? They broke into his career. Fans of his fans of his team. On his wall? Like his house wall? They broke it to his career. Yes. Fans of his own team.

Just think about that. Like, latex gloves weren't popping back then. I really, really think about it. He was catching their shit with their hand and smearing. Imagine that much that you take your own, and you wipe it on somebody's wall because you're that mad at them for being good. And he was playing for their team.

He was playing for their team. He was playing for their team. Yeah. Was he angry when he retired? I think he was a man of peace. He dealt with enough shit. I'm sure he's angry probably watching Gil's Arena up there. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't an angry dude when he retired?

I didn't remember any of that, no. Very tempered, measured, but funny. I'm telling telling you if I'm winning championships I'm trying to figure out what year would they have thrown due to the year we didn't win a championship cause there ain't no way I'm winning championships and you fucking my house up and then he went on a coach for them too

right like he stayed in that city that's crazy a lot of good Bostonians so we don't need another city coming no I'm just saying like that that has to be a man of peace if he he's kept on the wall girl I'm gonna fuck it was on the outside of my wall night you saying the wall touch it I mean breaking windows back then I mean you know back then you know motherfuckers that was probably a second

burn the cross I'm probably a second job anyway fixing houses up and shit you know sorry hey you know back then miners and shit. You know what I'm saying? Hey. You know, back then, minors and shit. Who knows? They were saying it was right. I can tell you right now, anybody from like, just be honest, 99 on with the basketball start,

you couldn't guard me. Stop. I came in in 2001. So 99 down, shut up. John Stockton? He got cooked. I had to adjust my second year. You look at my second year sets homeboy Yeah, you know, I came off the bench it gave like 27 or quick. I felt like this retire Retire fam internet retire See my I didn't know I played against him in my first year, you know, they'll just put me in

It was your first you said that a second year go my second year. Oh two or three, right? Wait with the stats Let's see what I see what happened that year go to the next one and I like quick 19. Let's see what he had 15 okay now go back the other one. He was weird. We are 0203 no same. Yeah, we don can play him twice. Okay, hold on. No, 0-2, 0-3. I'm coming to the next one. Boop. January 25, 2003.

Stockton gave you 11 and 6. Yeah. You gave him 27 and 9. Okay. He remembers all his stats. That's one thing about Gil. He's going to let them old. Come on, man.

He don't fucking know his stats. Come on, Gary Payton got that. Come on, listen, listen. When I came in. They said's one thing about Gil. He's going to let them old. Come on, man. He don't fucking know his stats. Come on, Gary Payton got that. Come on, listen, listen. When I came in... They said he was 40, Gil. I don't care if he was 20. Oh, well. He should have seen...

Listen, he should have gotten that. You out here. Hey, when Jordan got that 41, he was old, too. That my problem. That's so easy. Not my problem.

You out here. Right? I guarantee he retired after that asshole when I gave him. Send it in, old pops. Oh, my Lord. That's what I'm saying.

It was written on a Thursday. Because back then it wasn't going down. The era, that era, 99 basically down. They wasn't, the guards wasn't coming downhill like that. Right? They were setting up the offense. So the Mark Jackson, like, so you talking about you're going to stop me.

I'm all of 217, 218. You're a guard. You were little. Like, so you're talking about you're going to stop me. I'm all of 217, 218. You're a guard. You were little. Like, you guys were little. Like, I'm coming full speed. I'm faster than you, stronger than you. You had to put the two on me. And then you put me in your ISO mode where you can't help?

Get the fuck out of here. Let's talk about your last meeting in your second year. April 8th, 2003. We blew them out. Warriors won the game 128-102. Facts. John Stockton gave you a healthy seven and eight assists.

Three for five from the field. He was done. You gave him 34. I'm trying, listen, I'm telling them, yo, retire homeboy ain't it this ain't it this ain't last year This is a him Gary Payton all first team man. Listen y'all think I'm bullshit go to anyone of all team defense They made the first team them guards and then watch watch my scores against them They still make the defense? No, they was making all first team. Barbecue defense.

I mean, it was barbecue. It was chicken and waffles over there. So, you know, I'm saying the biggest fan of the older generation. But what players from back in the day could be stars in the league today? None of them? Oscar Robinson couldn't cook? No, I mean. Yeah, shit.

Will? Big old problem. Will is the one. George Minkett? I would give Will the most. What? George Mikan? Man, listen... Not George Mikan.

Lay up, Drew. Listen, I never tell my kids, you shouldn't tell your kids, all you guys, to do the Mikan drill. Because I'm pretty sure at this point, when you look at his shooting percentage, you can go... I think it was about 40 or... Shooting percentage, and he was the tallest and biggest dude on the court and the fact that he shot like 40 percent from the field yeah lets me know he could not score yeah shit so they probably told him hey yo hey you need to work on these layups just work on these layups all day get the feel of the layups

so i think it was probably one of those things where they just made fun of them and then it was like yeah Do the mic and drill made it made a thing if I had to guess it was some Elvis shit They seen a black girl doing the drill correctly. Oh, they're George Michael. I'm just gonna take that Put the mic in on like I when I thought about the mic and drill I'm thinking okay He was very you know something he shot like 60% 70% but 40 percent. You're the biggest dude on the court That's the benefit of those times. They didn't have internet like that So if you just read a newspaper article they could say George Michael was nice and you can't really They have the square on the on the backboard back then too. I think it's always been there

Oh, it don't matter if you doing layups your whole life and you shot 40 percent What was you doing when the game started? Yes, this he was the first cone drill There's somebody like pistol Pete though could be able to fax There's players that can That there's it's their skill level like when you look at their skill like, you know, like pistol like he was ahead of his time Like he didn't have no No reference to what the what he was doing. Some of the stuff he did still hasn't been done.

When you look at Magic Johnson, you're talking about 6'9", point, coming downhill, and just the moves he was doing with the ball still ain't being seen today. So he can transfer. What about Larry Bird? I think so. Yeah, shoot it. Because he's... Because his...

He can shoot score from anywhere. Because he's skilled. So when you see him sitting there faking it, they looking, he's shooting, faking it. Like faking it again, you turn around. That's Luka and Jokic. Yeah. Right? He's doing the same. It it you know it's it's fundamentals. He he really had great fundamentals Everybody else I didn't watch them enough

So if you have to go back and watch how Jerry West played or how Rick Barry actually played the game To see it. I mean what I mean to see it unfold like did he shoot a jumper like that? No, I don't think you shot it underhand. Just a free throw. Okay. Which is not a terrible way to shoot if you practice it enough, but Jerry West was that dude, too.

I mean, everybody's nice, you know, in their era. That's what I'm saying. Just stick to your fucking era. Just stay here. You made $42, you know. So, this is Gil's arena. Like, he made $8?

The $8 per diem, though. Bob said you could buy a crib in some small city for $8 back in there. Because when I was, solders was $0.25, so it was probably like $0 a crib in some small city for $8 back in there. Because when I was, sodas was $0.25, so it was probably like $0.10. He was rich. He's trying to act like $8 wasn't good back then.

Keeping it real. It's not good now, but that was good. My house was what, $42,000? $12,000? I remember McDonald's combo was like $4. No. Five to supersize it. No. Fuck no. No. You McDonald's combo was like $4. No. Five to supersize it. No. Fuck no.

No. You're crazy. It's $5 now. What? Yeah. No, the combo's now. No, when I was eating McDonald's, it was $2. Two for a combo?

Yes. I don't know about combo. $2.14 for a burger, fry, and a drink. And that's when I was eating it. You know two for twos? When the two for twos came out, that's $2.14. Oh, shit.

$1.07. You already know. You can find that. Just search it. Yeah. Because we used to play quarters in school. Yes. And disclaimer,

everybody back in Grant, when we played quarters, I did cheat you. Everybody knows you were a cheater, Gil. I did. You're a cheater. You know a quarter? You didn't know a quarter? I know a quarter. Right, so we shake it up. No, no, no. And knows you were a cheater, Gil. I did. You're a cheater. You know what quarter is?

I know what quarter is. Right, so like we shake it up. No, no, no. You call it a heads or tails? I have a heads or tails. So I already prefixed mine. And didn't shake them. Yeah, no, you just shake them, but they're all prefixed.

So like, you know, you hold them like this. This is tails. And you're sliding across. Yeah, so like I'm sitting there low like, yeah. So when they throw theirs up, I just slide mine. So I'm getting all mine back. Whatever yours land on that's me Boy, I had like $20 and quarters. It's just changes shaking in my shit

That's so I just want to know I probably owe y'all a couple dollars back I would say I can afford it now try to get into the game, but at the front Hey, let's all hey, I'm trying to win money You know times are so different. My sons and his friends, they bet $20. They have $20 bets and stuff. Oh, what? Anything is $20 is like the standard.

We give them too much money. Yes. I told my kids, I'll give you $5 a day. That's what I got. They look at me like this. Yeah. $20 is the standard, like the starting point for these kids. Oh, wow. They got the extra value meal. Yeah, Big Mac meal was like $2.99, but oh, such a more glorious time. Such a more glorious time.

Gas was so cheap when you didn't have a car. When I was in college, I will never forget this. When I was in college, gas was 99 cents a gallon. I will never forget that. Now you got to make business decisions. I ain't coming, dog. Let a gallon. I will never forget that. Now you got to make business decisions. I ain't coming, dog. Let's do them. 9 a.m. I shit on E right now. I've been trying to listen. I've been trying to take the golf cart all the way down to the what's-her-name, but that

charge won't hold. I got a Tesla, Ellie. I only have to pump gas when I'm here. I feel so like, damn, I got to pump gas? Damn, shit. I'm so mad. What a gas car, say. What a gas. Gas car hustle back

in the day. You just learn people's zip codes. Yeah, you know. I have something to admit to. I used to get y'all back in the day. That's easy. Just this, listen. If you find somebody's credit card, just one, hit the area code that's here today, right? Whatever area code you find the card in, then from there, you got all day. Shit, just area codes, zip codes, just uh-uh.

Nope, boop, uh-uh, nope. Then they be like, see cashier, just go to the next pump. Come on, what y'all doing? Terrible. Allegedly, we do not, underdog does not condone or support any of these views or express our own, whatever, whatever. You can use mine, I guarantee,

I'm gonna say it wasn't me. Even if it was me, that wasn't me. Yeah, I've had to do that. Amex give you every dollar back. Every dollar. You can say anything. Amex running it back. So last question.

Are there guys who are dominating today that wouldn't have been able to in your era? They're dominating today, but they wouldn't in my era. Like, my era was like this golden era of defense. It wouldn't have translated to is there anybody you could think of?

We never like to knock guys because obviously we got enough beef with the city of Detroit. Boston not fucking with us. Well, I mean, when you say dominating, I mean, there's going to be like like a third option or fourth option that wouldn't have had those.

Those options. They wouldn't have had those type of, they wouldn't have as many shots. Okay. Right? And it depends on what team you're on. Because you're talking about, like, my era was just coming out of that defensive shit. They just put the zone in. So, you know, when you're're talking about somebody like Clay, right?

You know, when he was a third option, he was averaging 21. You know, you're talking about 26, 26, 21. I mean, in my era, he probably wouldn't have got that many shots depending on what team he was on. If he was on, like, Suns, yeah, I mean, obviously. Yeah, for sure. If he was with us on the Wizards, you know, Antoine and Larry averaged 20 and 19. And you weren't passing like that. And I wasn't passing like that. Yeah, for sure. If he was with us on the Wizards, Antoine and Larry averaged 20 and 19.

Yeah, and you weren't passing like that. And I wasn't passing like that. So there would have been... But it's like the mid guys, that third, fourth option, those guys are averaging 17, 18. Back then it was probably 12, 10. But they got the mid level, so it's still a mid level for them. It would have been quicker, yeah. Yeah, it makes sense.

For sure, for sure. Yeah, so it makes sense. So For sure, I think they would have I think they would have most people would have been okay They've been okay Like I would love no offense to the sinners I had because y'all was great at setting screens taking the ball out But the the sinners today see back then I had to argue with Brendan I had eat on I come on man. Like had Etan, like, come on, man. Like, I know you was open, but God damn, you know, I'm cooking. The sinners today, DeAndre Jordan, what's happening? Set this pick, baby.

You can miss him all day. He ain't going to complain. The white? Yeah. The white going to want the ball. He would have wanted it. He would have wanted the ball. You know, but these sinners today, the Rudy Gold go I would have loved to play with Rudy Goldberg boy

Play defense screen take the ball Damn I was in this era Look at yourself. How do you feel like and we talked about this a lot? It's the fucked up part of that early 2000s You were looked at as tweeners or whatever like they just didn't have a respect for you as a combo guard. You had to be in position. So how do you feel like you were fair in today's NBA? I would have loved today's because with my, like, everyone sees I shot the ball.

I, you know, shooting threes. But I also got to the free throw line like a James Harden, right? Like Dwayne Wade. So, like, you know, me and Dwayne was like leading in free throws. Like they had to change the rule because of us. Where back then there was no just jump straight the fuck up, right? If you inside that circle, you better try to block that shot or just don't jump. So, you know, we were head hunting. So like if I see Shaq just standing in the lane, he's lost, right? And he didn't get outside that circle to take a charge. I just ran right into him.

So I'm going to hit this midsection. Like, sosection like so hit miss a fold right so it's a foul You know then they just said yo if we just jump straight up So they change they kind of change the rule because of we were just head hunting those guys But I got to the free throw line a lot right so if you don't have you're playing small ball against me That you're not going to switch. I would do a pick and roll and you switch a big on me. First of all,

your guard couldn't stay in front of me. So now you're switching somebody like Draymond Green on me. Great defensive player, but all I'm doing is just one, two step.

I'm at the rim. So you're literally trying to block me from behind the whole game. You're not going to be, you're not going to stay in front of me. So you're just giving me the lane and I'm trying to jump and back then I'm going to be, you're not going to stay in front of me. So you're just giving me the lane

and I'm trying to jump and back then, I'm going to jump back and you're going to hit me. So I'm creating a lot of contact and fouls. So I would have loved this era. I would have loved the,

I would have loved that early 90s era too. The big man. Like that Jordan era where it's straight iso ball. Like I got you here and everybody got to stand next to their player. Oh my. Man, they need to shut up. I just thought of it.

Y'all shut up. Like I got like, I don't give a fuck who your defense is. Just me, you, and then everybody sit at the top of the key. What? When I get by you, because you, who's, oh my God, I had 100 on the 90s. One full. It wouldn't even have been one full. I don't need the one full flat.

I would have just did side, just side at the logo. I just did logo, lift everybody, and what's happening? What's up? Show me this. Go. I just decide at the logo. I just did logo lift everybody and little Santa Show me this We had zone that's what I'm saying like listen everyone every ever has disadvantages, right? You know one one era, like you fouled harder, cool. But you had more spacing to do things, right?

You had more spacing. Our era, you know, they took off the hand checking, but you had load up. You can zone. You can, you know, that's harder. That's, that puts it more like a college style where, you know, like I got this bad defender on me and I'm trying to take him

and you can come load your defense up. Right? So we had to try to score through that. Now you're telling me, a guard like me saying, put me in Jordan's era and you're going to foul me harder but I have all the space in the world.

Fine. Because half the time I'm getting to the basket before you get there anyway. So you're fouling me late. Like, I'm worrying about guys like Frazier, the Matrix

taking the charge, Boris Diaw taking the charge. Like, I'm not worrying about Amari Sotomayor trying to block my shot. One, I'm pushing too fast. Like, I'm pushing too fast. You're getting him in foul trouble. Like, even with Shaq, like, think about when I when I'm scoring like if you look at my games Shaq is back there Yeah, but I'm I'm like a bullet. I'm coming so fast that either just don't either miss you or you got a foul

Yeah, so a question from the chat nobody no bread for this one, but uh They said do you think who's better dame or prime gil let's hear this what age both of us 25 the if we're both 25 that's me all day at 25 what age is it not you 20 26 and above. Why, because of your knees? Yeah. And, you know, like, I can't compare because, you know, like, when I say 25, like, I was on my way to being, like, I was just still raw, still understanding the game. Like, when you're talking about, like, Dame now, Kyrie, Curry now.

Dame is what, 32? 30, 30. Dame came in the league at 22, right? You came in at 19, though, so. Yeah, so when you talk about those guys now, they done figured it out. They done figured out the movements. They done figured out the game. I didn't get to get there yet, so there's no comparing whose careers better, right? You know those finish

Yeah, those guys are you know, those guys are masters at what they're doing now How would your game have changed like you obviously, you know, you always talking about the achy breaky knees and all that but Gunned issue off the table still with the knees What would have changed about your games you could have stayed in longer? With the knee injury? Yeah. You couldn't do it? There was nothing?

Because you see people that have a knee injury or back or hip injury, and they just kind of change their game a little bit so they can still create, get buckets, stay on the court. So the misconception, people thought thought that like the gun thing is what stopped me, right? No, I went to Orlando, played in Orlando. I went to Memphis.

Yeah. You know, I had bone spurs. That was like, to be honest, when I was playing in Memphis, it was probably the worst pain I was going through. Like I couldn't,

like I had to have a game ready on at night. If not, my knee was just throbbing. So I had to put the game ready on, and I had to sleep with the game ready on. So it'd be like 90 minutes or 60 minutes I had to just keep pushing on because of the pain that would wake me up. So after the season, I had to go in and get surgery to get the bone spurs.

I had three bone spurs. And then from there, just the body, that's why I didn't come back. It wasn't because they were keeping me out. As long as you have talent, they don't give a fuck what you do. Right, right, right. It just... Just wasn't able... It keeping me out. As long as you have talent, they don't give a fuck what you do. Right, right, right. It just wasn't able, it was that bad. Yeah, it was bad. I went there, like, I was trying out for that Laker team. Like, you can Google, like, 2013, the Clippers invited me to camp. I was playing very well in the summer, and then they signed J.J. Redick. 2013? I think it was 2013 they signed JJ Redick,

and I just assumed that I'm behind JJ, Jamal Crawford. So I decided to go to the Lakers tryouts. They had open gym, playing well, but they were all filled. So I was like, instead of going to the G League, I'll go overseas, get my swagger back, and then first game out there, pull them groins. So it was just one of those points that my body was just breaking down. I wasn't taking care of it. I wanted to hoop. All this goofy shit, no, I couldn't do it.

It's not goofy shit. Trust me, I know now, because I can't bend both my knees. I can't squat. You can't do stuff like this This is it right here Imagine if you could do this How much How much better your career This is it right here

This is all I got right here Get some yoga in your life girl Huh Right Motherfuckers in there stink I don't think they I don't think people Stink like smell

Yeah I don't think people Take showers before they go to yoga What Are you supposed to take a Listen Y'all supposed to take showers Before you go And start sweating out your What? Are you supposed to take a shower? Listen, y'all supposed to take showers before you go and start sweating out your body.

Where are you going to do yoga where people stink? They have a yoga class. That's just where you went. It should be... I take a shower before I go to the gym. I put the cologne on and everything. Well, no, you don't need cologne, but everybody should

shower before they work out. You shouldn't be stank. All you're going to do is reactivate the stank and stain your clothes. That's how clothes get all musty and all that nasty shit. Yeah, I spray cologne on,

so when I walk by, I was like, shorty, what's up? Oh, my God. Do you actually work out there, though, or are you just... No. You just...

When I wake up to go to the gym, I go to the gym every day, 50-50. Last two months, 25-75. If you actually put some work in. And in the gym right here, 0% chance I'll work out. You got a whole gym. This gym?

0%. Why? You turn on the TV, and then you start watching Netflix. Damn. But you know what? It probably is, too. you start watching Netflix. Damn. But you know what? It probably is, too. Like, you're just not active either.

Like, if you were actually doing another sport or something, like, you shoot, but you don't, you didn't try to play or do anything. That's why you don't get in shape. I couldn't get away with not working out. I played. You're in shape. Girl, you should just. I mean, but you not, you just look good. You're not in shape.

You're not in shape. But. I'm getting a six pack. Look, I'm getting a six pack Girl, you should have some. I mean, but you just look good. You're not in shape. You're not in shape. But- I'm getting a six pack. Look, I'm getting a six pack. For what? Huh? For what? What do you mean? What do you need a six pack for?

For functionality. Like, I go on, you know how we do the show and then they put our pictures up there? And then imagine if I can take my shirt off. You gonna take your shirt off? That's it? We have so many girl followers in there. Whole LGBT. Whole bunch of people named Kitty.

Who do you think would bring more followers? You with your shirt off or me? Whole bunch of people, whole bunch of men named Kitty coming at me. You don't know if they're girl or man. Boom, just follow. Hit the follow button. Who do you think would bring more followers?

You with your shirt off or me doing the show in a bikini? Don't even play with me. It's me. Stop playing. We can put it to a test. We can. I mean, because women is 9 to 1, women over men. Yeah, but women come after me too.

Just judging from the chat's response, they seem to be very enthusiastic about a situation like that. So I guess I'm going to put my great sweats away. Oh, God. The meat print poppies? Oh, Lord. Oh, my God. All right, let's keep this thing moving.

So we were out in Tacoma this past weekend for the eighth annual Zekin. Shout out to Isaiah Thomas for letting us pull up. We also got the chance to sit down with him at the event and just talk a little about his career's comeback and a legendary moment that he had with the Mamba during his playing days. What was the one thing Cole taught you, told you, that you still carry to this day? So Cole, the one thing he gave me, he like, to get the guys that aren't as good as you to follow you,

you gotta really teach them the way. Like, I didn't understand that at first. So like, obviously he always talked to me about just being a killer, being great. But what resonated with me the most was like, getting your guys, you say my team wasn't really that good right getting those guys to be able to get figure out where you are mentally so however weak the world thought

they were i was able to get them to believe i was just like me call people watch film with me and like i didn't i would ask questions like how how do i get them to get the mindset that i have he's like you got to sit down and watch film with them they got their mind has to be where yours is when you're watching film and when he told me that i was like we watched him in the playoffs that year that's why i was serving i i used to watch film to see where i can score that was it. He broke the film down on seeing shit before it happened, setting back screens. I remember he sent me clips of Steph Curry, John Stockton, Larry Bird,

and one other guy about back picks. And when I started setting back picks, it just started opening shit up for me. And I didn't even know it. Especially when guys are denying you and playing on top I'm wasting so much energy trying to get open We're down to all of this but I mean look the Bulls we were the number one seed that were at FC We watched every possession from game one to game two that shit took about five hours. Yeah Thanks, Tom. I had my video guys send it to his email. He broke down.

That was right before he started doing that detail shit. Okay. I feel like I was the reason why he started it. He seen it work so well. After every game, he would send the exact clip of how I did it, what he said, and it just opened the whole game up. That's dope. That's dope. That's dope. That's dope. That's dope.

A legendary interview. You got a chance to see IT play a little bit. Obviously, he's trying to make that comeback. You think he got one more in him? I think he do. The only thing, you know, that IT's going to have to really adjust with is today's game. His greatness came from because the team was surrounded by him. Now he has to go and try to figure out how to fit with everyone.

And he got hurt and he didn't get to learn how to play with other superstars. And that kind of changed the way his game was. It was kind of like when I got hurt, I didn't have enough time to adjust my game to adapt. Like when you think about someone like Derrick Rose, right? It took him years to really say, all right, this is the new me. Mm-hmm. Right? You know, Grant Hill.

It takes you, you know, and he didn't get that chance. So I think now he's understanding what it is to really be that type of player. Yeah, it's unfortunate, you know, everything that happened with him in his career and them just being so disrespectful, you know, when it was time to pay him and then the injury, of course. And, and I feel like he's one of those guys that everybody like roots for, like you want to see him, even if it's, if it's, you know, he's obviously going to be backing somebody up or whatever position he's in. I just hope that he lands where he's respected and where he can be great at, because that's what matters. It doesn't matter.

Anybody can sign him on a team and he don't fit and they get rid of him. You know, I just think, I just hope that he finds the right place for him and that he can contribute. And I think that's all he really wants. He wants an opportunity to show like, I still got it and I can still contribute. And I mean, he deserves it. Like what he did for Boston. This is why like, when it comes to loyalty, I had Mr. A. Polin who was told that my knee wasn't going to be the same.

He said, I don't care. He did his job. I'm paying him. I don't care what y'all say. I'll fire you guys before I not pay him. That was his loyalty. Where is the loyalty for him in Boston? What he did for... Like, you're talking about the money he brung in in those playoffs. Like, those teams...

We were glued to the team. Like, we watched. Like, the world watched. The world, like... You owe him. Yeah. Put him on the coaching staff. Put him in the office.

Like, Miami. What they did with Haslam for the sacrifice he did. He's going to be working in that office. He's going to be on the team. He's going to be next to... He might take over Pat Riley. Shit, Spro might go upstairs and Haslam might be... But we already mentally know that's going to happen.

Where is your loyalty to this dude? You just let him go and pretended that what he did for you guys wasn't... Do you remember that? They knocked a whole tooth out in the game and he just played through it. Like that's so gangster. So it's their pass and he's like- Yeah, he just-

I'll wait for the end of season before I even address this. He went through hell for them and they just booted him in his ass when he wasn't able to do anything anymore. Mark Cuban, didn't Mark Cuban just sign, didn't he just write Barrera a check? He looked at his championship and said, Barrera. Like those are the, I owe him money. Like, come on. Like, that's what make players like him just go hard for you.

Like, when you hear stories like this, right, it makes the players that's coming behind say, I want to play for that organization. Knicks, there's a reason that no one wants to play for you. The history, it trickles down. When you start putting that positive energy back into your teams, the youth hears it. And they want to be there. They want to play. Right? So you owe them.

I'm sorry. You owe them something. Seems like the Knicks are trending in a better direction now. Shout out to Knicks fans. Know y'all deal with a lot. When? What? Trending when? What?

What happened? I mean, they're starting. What happened? Brunson. The guy Brunson gave Josh Harder back. I'm just saying they're taking care of their guy to an extent. You're right. Because didn't the USA reward two of them?

You put two Knicks on the USA? That's crazy as hell. I just feel like he's going to find a way to fuck it up. Like, I would get a Knicks jersey this year. Yeah, we got to pull up to New York. We're going to bring a security guard. I get a Brunson jersey. I get a Julius Randle jersey.

Who else we got over there? I get a Josh. I get a Josh, because, Josh cuz you know he was a guest Are they buried? There grows Jersey. That's it. Oh, I get a deep rose. You're the animal. I don't know Nick's D. Rose Jersey I want that bulls joint. Well, yeah, but that's like a Michael Jordan on them streets God tell me for real that D. Roll that D rolls that D rolls just like Michael George Jersey in them Chicago streets I mean, I mean that tracks. No, well, we Rose jersey is like a Michael Jordan jersey in the Chicago streets.

I made that track. That was dope. Well, we got that full Isaiah Thomas interview coming on Monday. It'll be a very special episode of Gil's Arena, our sit-down with IT3, so make sure y'all check that out. There was something here that it makes me regret. What? When he said, you know, how to bring your teammates along with you, right?

The teammates who are not good enough, you make them see what you're seeing, right? Watch film with them to show. That's the next level, right? You know, I watched film all day, every day for myself. Yeah. See, that's that selfish to the next level, right? Like, you in my way. Now, see, Kobe's smart, see?

You in my way, so instead of yelling at him, he just shows him. So look, see, like, right here when I'm coming down. Like, right here when I'm coming down, see, if you move like this, I can see you better. See, Kobe was... That was the genius part. To move him out the way without offending him.

Here's where y'all would be able to score. But I'm not giving you the rights. You know, you move... Like, when I'm coming down, you see... I can't see you right there, but if you move behind down, you see, I can't see you right there, but if you move behind me, you know, I can throw one of these passes. All he do is just moving them the fuck out of the way. Ah, Kobe was a fucking genius.

I used to talk to Brent about that. Like he's an avid film watcher. Like I mean, like he's so science detailed about it. And then he would always say stuff like, well damn, like when I'm playing corner, they avoid, they not even throwing it my side. They just keep cooking the dude on the other side. And I'm like, well, damn, when I'm playing corner, they avoid, they're not even throwing it my side. They just keep cooking the dude on the other side. And I'm like, well, why don't you watch film with them? And he'd just be like, why?

And I'm like, so that they would know what you know. You know what I mean? But he wasn't that kind of player to where he would invite a guy to watch film. I had to do it. I would have dinner. I would just cook a massive amount of food, invite the secondary over, and just tell them, go in the game room. Even in the house, he's not going to say,

hey, come here, come and do this. But that's so key. I don't know why people weren't already doing that. I thought that that was a normal thing. You have to watch film together, so each one, teach one. You know? I think because when we're introduced to watching film as a group, it's usually in a form of attacking

Someone for not doing your job. Ah, it's a discipline thing. Yeah, so yeah, so we're watching it's more discipline of something So, you know guys don't really want to sit there and watch cuz we're not watching it to better each other We're watching to see who fucked up. Yeah That's what it used to be way back in the day. like you lost the game. We were gonna show you how yeah Yeah, we wonder whether that's watch film see all the shit. We did good It's like now let's rewind this play 15 times and see where you fucked up. Yeah, so I can make you look bad Cracking up It was just but I was like VHS back in I mean I'm sure was

Then you've started to get like the clip outs and shit, but now like y'all can pull up games from easy Let me see every time see all your fuck up like 56 goddamn Every time Gil took two dribbles left for shot like they can just they got that shit down Yeah, that even goes back to what Rick Barrett saying about just technology the technology advancement I'm not I'm not making him better. No, I'm not I'm not I'm not but I'm just saying like Listen versus what we have like back in those days I know YouTube or no internet if you didn't know some shit You just didn't know you had to ask a nigga who you thought was smarter than you and they might have a slight Barry

We're not talking about Brent Barry right he had the black gene He was special. He was special like he can like you take his genes of the jumping ability He had the 40-something inch vertical and then you trained it to today's now we talk about something He was special. Like, you take his genes of the jumping ability he had, the 40-something inch vertical, and then you train it to today's, now we're talking about something. Right. You had a 24-inch vertical. I mean, I don't give a shit how much training you got.

It ain't good. I mean, you can Klay Thompson it. You know, most likely, you can be a Klay Thompson. Below the rim player, you know. Now let's move on. Our last segment of the week. Time for Mostly Fans. We asked the chat to give us some questions.

They provided. But chat, this is not coming from me. This is coming from the men up above. They said spamming the same question 500 times. And we don't use it. It gets you seen. It gets you seen, but maybe that just might be a shitty question. Yeah. So if it's 500, we don't use it. It gets you seen. It gets you seen, but maybe that just might be a shitty question. Yeah.

So if it's 500, we don't use it. It was bad. That's what they say. Try again. Make it 600, fuck it. Let's trick this algorithm, run these numbers up. I mean...

Don't give up. Don't ever give up. If you white, use white privilege against white people. If you white, throw something in the chat. Boost your shit up, and we might ask.

But question number one, this comes from Quantron. That's his underdog fantasy username. Quantron. Quantron. How many people came out of the woodwork when you became rich? That's a good-ass question. I can actually answer this one.

You want me to? Everybody and their mama like you know it's it's embarrassing i wasn't even the one making the money i'm obviously a part of money being made but i'm not the person backpedaling and my whole family thought that we rich you know everybody thought that it was my job to pay their bills and take care of them. They now could splurge on something else and call me and say, I'm about to get evicted. Help me out. That shit happened so bad. I really lost

family members over that shit to this day. What's the craziest shit that somebody asked you for bread for if you feel comfortable sharing? Every three months, my house about to get repossessed. It takes 90 days to kick you out. every three months, my house about to get repossessed. Because, you know, it takes 90 days to kick you out. Every three months, asking for the three-month rent when you could have just asked me at one month.

Now I'm mad. Like, no, stop playing with me. Like, just continually doing that. And I had to cut that off. That was his family. But I had to cut that off. Disrespectful. We made it. We made it. Gil, I'm sure yours is way worse because your bag different than mine. That's, I mean, people at home, right? You got the positive. Obviously,

you're a second rounder, so it's a little bit different, but you got these guys. Yeah. You know, so it's like, nah, I'm getting second round bread, but you got the positive moment, right? All these guys getting drafted, wearing their suits and all that. But what people don't see is that other side. Oh, you got drafted. Let me check the Ricky slots. Okay, you getting 11 mil for the next three four years listen When you when you're when you're when you get money You don't change is the people that change around you right there's this this thing thing when you give money away, you give someone something, they're grateful the first time. The second time you get it, they're expecting it now. Yeah.

Right? Eventually, now they depend on it. The day you don't give it to them anymore, they hate you. They never even think about the times you did it. They're angry. Like, you fucked their life up. Hence Zion and old girl when she spazzed because her life changed because of him. And now she thinks he owes.

Like motherfucker, I don't owe you shit. Right. Right? I've been paying for you, you ain't done shit. You know what I mean? So I just, as you know, my phone is one way. Yeah. This is true.

Since 2005, I can call you. You can't call me. You can text me so I can read what the fuck you got going on. So I can read. Nope. 10,000 dot. Ignore. Do you say no?

No, I just ignore. I don't. No, I'm no. $10,000 ignore Do you say no? I don't know I know I am no and with examples of why is no I'm rude about it That's not even but see that's the fucked up part now. You're made to feel rude Yeah For something that somebody else is asking for you that you want to back like yeah and the worst shit now we live in a social Media world and people like to flaunt and floss But so you're asking for bread and I just seen you at a restaurant. That's not a lobster. Yeah with the menu item. That's not Don't speak to your budget. We don't in the text message. So basically you wanted me to pay for that Oh, you know we was doing our pockets upstairs. Well, this is nice house on I know we written this

We written is this a mine y't give... I live in an apartment. I don't give a fuck what you... This is what I do now. Like, if somebody... This is the new thing. They ask, can they borrow it? They pay you back, right? So my thing is, if I'm not loaning a dollar,

not even a dollar, if I give you something, I'm giving it to you. And you can only ask me once. Yeah. When you know and they... That's it. I can hit you back.

You can only have one emergency. Listen, I... And that's it. Out of all the money I've ever given from borrowing, one person gave it back. I have zero. Ernest Dukes. Oh, my God. Ernest Dukes. The public... Publicist, yeah. So I gave him

money. This is when he was first starting. He wanted to do a short film, right? And there was an emergency. And I know if he asked me for it he really needed it right and I remember he came over probably like a week and a half ago he said hey man how come you never asked for your money back and I said you didn't you you you it seemed like you needed it right like I know that it wasn't like oh you know I need rent money right and it's 10 days later like now you got 10 days to get the rent money right it's like you needed it was an emergency right and he was like man I want to thank you for it

it really changed my life and then gave the money back like I'm not it was like he I brought it from him now like shit how much do I like when do I gotta pay this back? But it was the first time and it kind of that right there that one good gesture. It kind of erased everybody else's It makes crazy as hell man like but now I think he's in a position now where he sees Like people just asking for money all day and and you don't want to say no because they're friends But I'm saying at the end of day man You don't have I don't have it I'm good for what what comes out in the paper. Oh, give the rena just shot a 20 million dollar did they lying?

Yeah, they lying y'all know this time I'll be doing taxes like 58% you know both people don't know shit tax like government You know people don't know Dino would like you and my you know, you're like people like taxes only like 13 to 7 I don't know when you're rich like 72 percent. Right? So 72 then I got child support and I got school I ain't got none. I'm broke. I do have a problem say one group family members that they can ask me for anything Yeah, for sure. Like my uncle saved my life like totally saved my life. I Ran away when I was 12

He got me and been like my dad my whole life and I don't care what he need he getting it Did you have that night with you when you ran away? Probably he was good using good hands anyway But there's there's a crew of people but you know that they would only really ask if they really needed it. And then there's another crew. And even if he just wanted to go on vacation, I got you. Like this man brought me into his house and saved me. Like really legit is the only reason that I even went pro as far as I went.

I know it was just Division II, whatever. But he saved my life. He helped me fulfill my dreams. He knew I wanted to be a pro, and he made sure everything was in place. He worked hard, you know, did everything. He was my coach. He was training me, taking me to all these gyms, pick up with guys, you know, everything. He did everything that he knew I needed to get where I was going so he can have anything

So what's your advice to these younger kids guys come in the league now that are coming into bread about how to navigate get the Get the phone with no incoming calls like look I don't I don't I don't give advice to the player themselves because The player is the one who's mentally going through the problem He's the one who has to try to make everybody happy. People don't realize that. Think of an NBA player like Superman, right? All he's doing is going around every day trying to save you.

I got to save my mom. Especially when women get in these guys' lives. You're like number nine on a totem pole of what he has to take care of. Mom, dad, brother, sister, friend, cousin. And then you coming in. They're kids. The only way you get

valued as knowing your worth is to try to help him with this list of people. You come in to block them Yeah, right. That's what he values you as a person when you you don't want who coming in is that we don't got it Right now. Ah, you know, it's a little tight Let me find me talk to his financial when you start doing that so he don't mentally have to do it

That's when he looks at you like the Queen but you over here talking about what I need a little bad, you know We did it and you sitting there. Yeah, that's cool right now. But you over here talking about, oh, I need a little bag. You know, and you sitting there. Yeah, that's cool right now. But remember, his money's long, right? You get replaced easy. Because at some point, when you're hanging on to the rope, at some point, that rope gets cut. Everybody falls. So I try to talk to the groups that's following, right?

The parents, right? He don't owe you for being a parent. You're a parent. You did all that hunching. If you're taking care of your kids for your kids to pay you back, that's not a parent. Your job is to put your kids

in a better situation than you are for them to put your grandkids in a better situation, right? Friends, right? This is not like, we made it type. No, like help. Like you wanna, like I made it to the NBA, now what do you wanna do?

You wanna be a financial advisor? Do you wanna be like, you know, like. I don't wanna be be a rapper that sounds cool But you might want to be self-aware that you're not that good But you want to somehow add to the Empire instead of just take it just not being a dude They're just sitting there leeching on the couch because that time eventually you will be cut off the list like yeah NBA put we cut you off at some point Yeah, you know like if I find it like I got a bunch of friends and I get a girl who's like yo

What you paying for these clowns for exactly? Thank you. Why they always around and why did they don't do that? They just sitting on the couch. These are point out. They just sit on the couch They ain't bring no dollar and you just did we went for a dinner for two and you just spend a thousand bucks on Them on them they buying bottles and champagne Eventually we see it. We don't want to say none because of the loyalty but eventually you get snapped just on that and this is just advice for people out there get what you normally get right again i have rules like if it's a corporation paying for it we're gonna try and get some elaborate shit whatever if it's somebody i know paying for it's coming out their own bread i'm not ordering shit I don't normally order.

No, them niggas go crazy. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah, because it's a one-time opportunity for them, and they do not eat there. And that's how they do it. Because then you see, and it's like, damn, you're just trying to get over on me, right? Because you would never get this shit normally.

But that's the problem with people. You're thinking... He got it. Right now, I need to get everything right now. Versus I'd rather... I'd rather... You sit there and try to buy champagne and get all this lobster

and stuff and that's the one dinner versus you order normal and it's forever dinners. You're invited forever dinners. Everyone thinks it's a Thanksgiving type of thing. That's how I go. If I'm talking to a girl and you're like,

can you help me with the rent? I don't say nothing. Oh, yeah, yeah, just give me a what's-her-name, send it. I never talk to you again. Wow. You can take the one lick if that's what you, like, you want to be the lick, you want to be the runoff on the plug instead of becoming him or her,

the empire, the person that, like, if you don't, if you don't, if you don't know you don't if you don't know there's an example the example is Maverick Carter LeBron James right Rich Paul Paul was the Mario Randy Randy Savannah they became they became all multi millionaires not not even off of LeBron. It's not bums. Yeah, they actually...

They contributed to it, and they all met at the top as kings and queens versus you sitting there just hanging on. Like, what are we going to do today? Right. What we eating. What we eating. That's the one.

What we eating is crazy. What we eating. I'm going to have have a smoothie I don't know about you man I'm on a diet what you what you what you doing no but that's I mean because that's the both sides of it and you want to obviously take care of people be there for people but it becomes a situation it's like you asked me for something you could put on your credit card but you know you're not gonna pay me back yes and you'd rather ruin that relationship over a short-term bread as opposed to just... Dependence. It's not really your friend.

You become dependents. Like, grown, I got kids that depend on me. Like... I got one. So, last question for us. Change the topic a little bit. This comes from... His underdog fantasy name is Filth D.

Filth? Filth. Filth. Filth D. Filth filth filth filth D filthy dirty Poodie time. Yeah, we drop a lot of old-school clips later which current NBA player has the best signature shoe. Oh The best signature shoe Everyone loves the Paul Georges. All the Kyries, they love the Kyries. My son, I have some Paul Georges and Kyries, and those are the two he wears the most. Of all my shoes, I mean, he done ran them down too.

But those two, I have so many Jordans. I got Iversons. I got, my shoe closet is ignorant, and my son wears my shoe size now today, like we're the same size. Oh yeah, he snatches. And I open my entire, no he only goes for the Kyrie's and the Paul George, that's it. Every now and then I'll be like, I'll try to get him to wear the ones, the Jordan ones or whatever and he'll wear those, but that's it, Kyrie, Paul George.

That's it, and that's why when we talk about these kids and the love and admiration they have for Kyrie and PG. I'm James Harden. Harden. James Harden. Harden's nice. James Harden. Trey. Trey. Dane.

I'm noticing a trend. Right, right. Adidas. We see it. Adidas. Adidas did give me some treys too. I couldn't be a glazer and wear it in the interview because I'm not as rich as you, Gil.

You could do it because you also have your own signature shoe. If I had one, I could get it off too. I do like wearing the age of zeros around. But think about this. This was a style from 06, 07, this era, 2006. Like, I was so advanced. It's a nice shoe. Like, I used to hate the...

Like, if you look at my shoes, like, I thought that, like like shoes, this was the most important part. So I said, your Adidas size fucked my vision up. So I had them put it on the back of the heel. The following shoe, I had them put it on the inside. That was my thing. Like yeah, we cool.

Like don't put your shit right here, just three claws. Like nah. So I put it on right here. Just three claws like nah So I put it on the back and then the next year I put it aside So like you can see James Harden his in the back and yeah, you know, that was my vision Did you guys ever sell my size shoes or this a new news? I don't wear a fucking tube. Oh six and a half seven at the biggest No, we did it. We did it because you Sire.

No, I mean kids for Locker. I'm a kids, yeah. Yeah, so we came out with some kid versions. You did? Yeah, we came out with some kid versions. It was the second year. Oh, okay. Yeah.

That's just sad. Why y'all don't look out for the kid? Like, what's up with that? What that mean? Which one? That you guys don't do the youth shoes. key like what's that with that what that mean which one that you guys don't you do the youth? Shoes like what is that about? Cuz you got to change the pattern, you know

Your version Have to have kids first. I mean, I'm pretty sure they put them all in baby baby baby gap and all that stuff like that You see me kids choose for little kids. You know what? Little grown kids. You know. It's all good. Keep joking. I mean, the people that have the problem now is the guys that's, like, 15 and... Right.

But what would you say if I had a 12? Like, what would the jokes be then? You got a big old... Oh, there'll be jokes either side, right? Either way. You know, I think you just need a, what's a normal size that's on? A nine. Yeah, I'm a big nigga, so shit.

A nine for a girl is normal. Okay, so. Nine. What is that in men? That's like eight? That's. Ten, ten and a half men. Yeah, like a.

Oh, no, no, I was just saying for a dude, being a ten and a half is normal. Like eight to ten, I guess. Yeah, so in men's shoes, I can wear a seven. It's big on me. But that's when men's shoes start at a seven. So, and for that, for a woman, that's me, I'm an eight in a women's shoe. So it's like a size or a size and a half. How much are those?

Those prices, like what, 54 bucks? No. The shoes, like Jordan Walls. The youth ones? The youth? Oh, no, you can get them for $100. Oh, you're saving a lot of money. $100, yeah.

And one day, I'm going to pull up the chat just for y'all too. What? What's happening? I'm just saying, they just started talking about other random shit. I'm surprised we ain't got hit with the Pusher T-Bots yet. What happened? I know those Pusher T-Bots on Twitter right now just, you know. What'd they say? They're just overtaking tweets.

You can't even really scroll to tweet without seeing 500 Pusha T related tweets. Oh, my God. But, no, it just had nothing to do with anything that's going on here. Nothing with the show. That's why I don't watch it when I'm on because I feel like I will lose focus. Especially the ones that... They start asking random questions to each other. Oh, they have a whole debate.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got a whole crew, but we appreciate y'all chatting. Nonetheless, we appreciate y'all rocking with us. This Thursday, Gil's Arena

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I'm tired of bending down. Oh, I don't know about you. Where is he at? Somebody on Twitter, I already couldn't claim myself. Which one? Uh, uh, uh. Look, with the honor called for greatness, they've chosen a few.

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