Gil's Arena - Gil's Arena Reacts To Harden's Take On NBA Loyalty

Episode Date: February 18, 2026

Chris Paul Going Out SORRY Shocks Gil's Arena as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil’s Arena Crew react to Chris Paul officially announcing his retirement after a turbulent final season where he was sent home from the Los Angeles Clippers and discuss if it’s sad to see a future NBA Hall of Famer and living legend like CP3 have his career end on such a sour note. They then react to Kyrie Irving announcing that he will sit out the remainder of the season while he recovers from a torn ACL and debate if this is the right move for the Dallas Mavericks’ superstar as they look to surround Cooper Flagg with a championship roster before giving their take on James Harden’s comments on loyalty in the NBA as the Beard believes there is no such thing as he sits on his 4th team in 5 seasons. Finally, they break down Anthony Edwards’ comments to Jalen Johnson about possibly playing for the Atlanta Hawks and react to Kevin Durant allegedly getting caught in another burner gate as negative commentary on his teammates both past and present leaked from suspicious accounts. Please give us a Like and Subscribe!! Today's Gil's Arena Crew : Gilbert Arenas, Josiah Johnson, Rashad McCants,Brandon Jennings & Nick Young Gil's Arena premieres every Wednesday & Thursday at 11:30am PT / 2:30pm ET. Sign up for Underdog HERE with promo code GIL and play $5 to get $75 in bonus funds or bonus entries https://play.underdogfantasy.com/p-gi... SUBSCRIBE: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAvj... Join the Underdog discord for access to exclusive giveaways and promos! https://discord.gg/underdog Must be 18+ (19+ in AL, NE; 19+ in CO for some games; 21+ in AZ & MA) and present in a state where Underdog Fantasy operates. Terms apply. Concerned with your play? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit www.ncpgambling.org; NY: Call the 24/7 HOPEline at 1-877-8-HOPENY or Text HOPENY (467369) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome back to Gills Arena presented by Underdog Woo-Woop or Gil's Virtual Arena, I should say, presented by Underdog Woo-W-W-W-W-W. As you already know, we had a situation with the Homeowner Association over at Gills Cribs, so we are doing these shows virtually for the time being until we can secure another spot to get the crew back together.

But we appreciate y'all for pulling up. We got a lot to discuss. Like I said, this is Gills Virtual Arena, presented by Underdog Woo-Woop. I'm merely a host, Josiah Johnson. and we got current NBA legend, current Arc Raiders player. Gilbert Arena is here with us.

And let me just be honest with your joke. You're going to have to give us a countdown, man, like 10, 9, 8, 7. You just, I'm sitting here looking on the phone and stuff, and then you're just going to start talking. That is the countdown, Gil. Welcome back to Gil's Arena, presenter, my underdog. Okay. I'm getting the same countdown you're getting.

Okay. We're on Riverside. Okay, there we go. But we also got NBA champion of the world. Swaggy Pete, Nick Young, joining us for the first time in Gills Virtual Arena. And representing tough crowd, a car carrying country club member. We got Mr. B. Brandon Jennings. And last but not least, the man they call Cemetery Larry, NCAA champion of the world.

Rashall McCamp is here with us. All right, I see it. I see you shot rocking the Kyrie, taking it back. Much respect. We got a lot to get into today. Here's what's cracking. in Gil's Arena. So CP3's Fareworld Tour got cut short with his retirement announcement midway through his 21st season.

Did the Future Hall of Fame or deserve better? James Hardin says loyalty is overrated when it comes to the business side of the league. Is the beard spitting or tripping? And Kyrie will miss the remainder of the season while recovering from his ACL injury. But how dangerous will the Kyrie and Cooper Flag duo be in Dallas next season? Before we get on to that, as always, the show is brought to you by Underdog. Underdogs available in most states, including Texas, California. and Florida.

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No. No. Where I'm at me? Listen. I don't know if it's just me. Brandon's in 2K. Right? We can't see him. He looked like he blurred.

Like he's about to commit a crime. We can't see him right now. We don't see nothing. We know it's him, but we don't know it's him, right? Right? Like, you know what? A, B.J. Just come on over here, man.

Look, I can go right here. You can sit right next to me, man, so they can see us clearly. Bro, because you're struggling, okay? What do you mean? What I'm saying is if this was a crime, and this is the footage you got on you, you're innocent. Let's just say that. Right.

You're good. You can't worry about nothing. We know it's you, but, you know what I mean? Yeah. Well, look, we're figuring things out good. We're making things where we had to bring the fans their favorite sports show, number one daily sports show on YouTube. But let's get into it.

So after some speculation, Kyrie Irving might try to return this season from the ACL-N. injury he suffered last March. The nine-time All-Star has decided to sit out for the rest of the season while he continues to recover. So Kyrie said the following in a statement. He said the decision wasn't easy, but it's the right one. I'm grateful for the Mavericks organization, my teammates and our fans for their continued support throughout the process. I'm looking forward to coming back stronger next season. The belief in drive I have inside only grows. So Kyrie averaged 25, five rebounds, five assists in 50 games last season making his ninth All-Star team missed the final 20 games of that season. after the ACL injury. So Mavs are 75 and 53 with Kyrie in the lineup since he came to Dallas during the 2020-23 season, but just 42 and 75 without him in the lineup, currently 12th in the West with the record of 19 and 35, but do own their own pick in the loaded 2026 NBA draft. So, Gil, we talked about this before, but good move for Kyrie to set out this season from his ACL injury and not try to come back too soon. I mean, excellent move. You know, once 80 went down

and they started, you know, losing a lot of games, there was no point in those guys coming back. You know, play for a position in this upcoming draft. Then Kyrie comes back strong. Then AD would have been healthy. Cooper Flag would have been, you know, established. You know, it would have been a very dangerous team going into next season. So the fact that they moved off of AD,

Kyrie will be coming back next year if he doesn't get traded this summer. Right, but for him, it was a smart move. Don't, don't, there's no point of coming back. There's nothing to play for. And, you know, don't re-injure or tweak whatever, you know, you have wrong with you right now. You know, come back, going to the summer, healthy as possible. So your value is all the way there.

So, Mr. B, you agree with Kyrie's decision to shut it down for the season and not come back wait until next year when he's fully healthy? Yeah, yeah, there's no reason to. They're not playing for nothing. Let Cooper flag go ahead. play out the rest of these games. Kyrie Irvin, I mean, he's proven that he can play with other superstars. And, I mean, Cooper Flagg, he is going to be a superstar in the making, but, you know,

Kyrie's played with LeBron. You know, he's played in Boston. You know, he's played in Brooklyn. So, you know, a healthy Kyrie with a healthy Cooper Flag is very scary in Dallas. Okay. Swaggy, what do you think about Kyrie's decision to not return this season, focus on getting 100% or even 1,000% as his agent said, healthy? coming back next season.

They got a drive pick this year, right? They do own their 2026 first round draft pick. Yeah, I don't think they'll let them come back if he wanted to. But it's smart for him. Let Dallas get in the right position. I get another good player. That's just going to make them better, really. Hey, man, can you wipe your face?

Hey, hey, can someone, hey, god damn, man. I know you didn't have to come to work today, but you could at least wash your face. I look good. I know you don't go to school until 1 o'clock. Hey, can you get your daddy a towel, man? Wipe to crust out your eyes and your mouth.

This is a marriage. What's that thing is that? What's my name? Larry, you go, man. No, I don't want to hear from him. No, I don't want to hear you. I can get off this motherfucker. You should.

Wash your face. We can see you. You know we can see you. All in your eye and on your lip. You didn't see Brandon do one of these. We both tried to do one of these before you start running off at the other side. Yeah. Get them shot, man.

This is a man. Yeah, thank you. Last been I least, Cemetery Larry, aka Shoshidamus, man that goes by many names. See you rocking the Kyrie jersey. You think it was a good decision for Kyrie to not try to come back this season, focus on being healthy for next year. You know, Kyrie is going to make the decisions he feels best for him, but I don't think he's making a decision like Swaggy.

I'm going to piggyback on swag. I don't think that it's a Kaori decision. I think it's a tanking situation. They're going for rebuilding. Depending on if they do get rid of him or not this summer, I think him plan and getting back into the swing of things, whether or not the team is in position to win or him, playing for something, I don't think that really matters.

I think him getting back into the game, getting the flow, even playing with Cooper, just being able to go out there and play with him and get the field, get back to loving the game. He's been out for a while. It's the same thing I feel with Jason Tatum, just getting back out there. Because the last thing that could happen is the first game of the next season, he'd get hurt right away. There's no promise for you to actually go out here trying to protect, oh, I'm a thousand percent

healthy going into next season in the first game, something happened. And that's going to be based on just how the game goes. The game is the game. You can't cheat the game. You can't foresee the game. I think if you are healthy and you can play, go play. Go play. You never know what's going to

happen tomorrow. So being protective is one thing. But if you healthy and you can play, being scared, it's just going to force something else to happen. So I think if they tanking, they tanking. They don't want them to come back. But if not, they can come back. Come come who.

Let us see what you got still. You know what I'm saying? See if you steal the shell of the Carrey that we remember. And if you need more time to get back to that shell, say that. Say that I'm just, I'm a little rusty. But I'm healthy, but I'm rusty. So, I mean, I think that's just the case for me. For how I see it, I don't think that if you've been out 12 months since March,

two March, you can play. Let's play. So, Kaii, Karie, under contract this year, next year, that has a player option summer of 2027 slated to make, I think, about $82 million on the two seasons following this one. But Gil, you don't think I heard you say Kyrie was going to get traded.

You don't think the Mabs are going to hold on to Kyrie and rock out and try to see what this Kyrie, Cooper Flagg, duo looks like, moving forward? It would be a dumb move because is Cooper Flagg and Kyrie a championship caliber team? Right?

if it's not a championship caliber team, then what are you holding on to that kind of money for? You might as well just go full rebuild and just blow the team up. You have Lashers number one pick. Knowing the way the basketball gods were, you're going to get a top three pick, right? Worst case scenario, you're going to get the fourth pick.

So you're going to get, most likely, Caleb, from North Carolina. So you're going to have Cooper and Caleb. right so you're going to have a nice young group there's no point of holding on to Kyrie's contract you know if you're not going to go win a championship when AD got traded it kind of said hey we got to get rid of Clay and Kyrie just to free up money so to see them to play together it would be real point is because then he'll be he'll be traded or he's going to go test a free money

market, so you're just wasting time. So I don't see them holding on to them unless they're thinking about bringing somebody in, which I don't see anyone going to Dallas this summer. So, Matt, on their draft pick in this draft, do not have a pick in the 2027 draft, so it seems like it'd be very beneficial for them. Start the tank for the rest of this season. Let me ask this. What is Kai Reeve worth right now in the open market?

What would you get for Kai Rhee if you're trying to move him? at this age after after injury if you look in that if you're the Dallas Maver's you just you just basically broke the whole band up you're going to get rid of clay you're going to get rid of carrie you got rid of AD what is you going to get back for Kai Reid that's going to be beneficial to the rebuild how much is Kai re's making right now somewhere in 30 yeah it's making 36 this year then I think he's going to make a 81 basically as a player option for the next two years so I think like 39 next year Oh, he's cheaper than I thought.

So 39.5 next year, 42.4 in the summer, 27 is his player option. What they get back for AD? That was. Got back for AD? Yeah, what did they get for AD? I think two nickels. That's what I'm saying. So Maver's got Chris Middleton, Marvin Bagley, A.J. Johnson,

Malachi, Brannam. and a 2026 first round pick via the thunder. I mean, so that's so basically, so basically what they would get back, something like that, right? No, you go to, are you mixed?

No, I'm not, I'm saying like players, like they'll just get a bunch of random. Four players in the pick. That's not how it works, man. Just because they, that team gave them that, don't mean the next team is. No, I'm saying it'll be something like that.

It'll just be random players. Like, it'll be just like, you know. Think about this. For the Wizards and for Dallas, it wasn't a Dallas move they per se wanted to make. I think Rich pressured them into moving him because they wanted to make a move for AD. He didn't really want to be there. So if you think about Washington making a move and them saying, we'll give you this for AD. Was AD worth a lot more than what they got for him?

I believe so. I believe AD's worth more than Chris. Middleton, Marvin Bagley, and a bunch of guys who barely even playing. So, if you look at Kyrie, 25, 5, and 5, All-Star. How old is Kyrie? 35? He's 33 turns 34 in March. He'll got some time.

Shit, yeah, you can get another big deal. But is he the same player? That's the question. So are you willing to wait and find out if he's the same player? That's why I'm telling him to play. so we can see who he is. I mean, we did see who it was before he went down. I'm saying after he went down.

I'm saying after he, if he come back now, we'll be able to see how he moving, if he still got knocked the rust off, all that kind of stuff. No, no, I think you wait. I think you wait because the last we saw, you were still 25 a game. And you still, Kyrie,

it's not like the game not going to go nowhere. It's not like he's not going to be able to put the ball in the basket. It's not like he's not going to be able to get to where he went on the floor. It's just like him getting healthy now because he's been dealt with injury. Is Clay Thompson the same thing after his injury? No. No, he wasn't the same thing. It was a similar injury.

No, but I'm just saying as far as what you do, like Clay, what Clay do, he came back and he's, he's still shooting 37% but he's a 40% career shooter over the last 13 years. So for you to drop in production after your injury, two of them, I mean, for Kyrie, we don't know he's never had this type of diversity. Did he get hurt before? Yeah. It'd hurt before? Which one?

Which injury was it? In Boston. Did he get hurt in Boston or Brooklyn? He had a, uh, Somebody got in his sister. Was somebody died or something? No, that was Isaiah. Yeah, he's had multiple knee injuries, I think,

a fractured kneecap. Yeah. The difference between them two is one actually creates outside. Yeah, that's how much of form. His abilities, he has a bigger, he has a bigger bag of abilities. Clay is shooting. He didn't know how to dribble. He don't know how to really do anything else.

So he's handicapped to whatever style they're playing. Nothing is changed. It's just how he gets the ball now. Right. So listen to what I'm saying, though, girl. Listen what I'm saying. He's shot 41% from the three-point line. So he don't get the ball the same way as he does, as he did then.

It's less impact. Average in 18 points. He got booed. It's less impact. It's less impact on Clay because he's only doing the certain amount of things. He's-hearize. Carreys demand is going to be more on his body, on his lower body, movement, all of that coming

off of ACL, it's going to demand more. So you're going to be looked at, like, you've got to guard these fast-ass motherfuckers coming full speed at you. You got to be able to get your shot off, get your lift back, still have the handle we expecting. That's what I'm saying as far as, that's going to diminish

after a while. As far as Clay's concerned, think about what Clay, all he got to do is get his lift back and get his shot off, which didn't show. All that is more mental too, though. But all he does is get open, I can deny that. And remember, if we're watching the games, he's getting open and he's missing those shots.

He's not making the same shots. Because the rhythm, make the same. Mental, yeah. That's more mental, yeah, that's more mental, then. But that's why Karee, but that's why Karee, taking this tone. I can do everything. So you can't, you can't stop me. You can't just deny me and frustrate me.

I have the ball. I can, I can bop and wiggle. I can poke up. You're slower. You're older. You don't have the most, you don't have the explosiveness that you used to have. You're a shell of yourself.

But that's why he got, that's why he has, that's why he has all summer. That's why he's going to sit up. He got it all summer to come back. Like after Clay's injury, his first year he averaged 20. The following year he averaged 22.

Then 18, then he got treated. Right? It's more remittal. Like, if you look at him now, why don't it? He's just missing. I ain't got nothing to do with this. He's just missing.

It's here. Hey, the diminishing, if you really look at it, you diminishing, you're diminishing the thing that really is your goal to is your lift. We know something about shooting. If you can't jump and shoot, your lift is the main thing that affects your shot, especially if you're wide open. Now, you're talking about Kyrie being able to wiggle, wiggle, and shoot and get by, and defend, that's going to take a toll on him,

especially if he's just coming in fresh in the fresh season with no real movement. Like, you're talking about summertime hoop. Like, if he don't play the end of this season to just get a feel of it, that's going to be even tougher for him. He was just in the lab working out this all-star weekend. Yeah, he didn't play.

I don't know. I think he's ready, man. Well, he's been ready, but it's a good. You don't get Kyrie. You don't get Kyrie. He got too many, his creativity. is off the chart, man. And when you're a quick guard,

you're not, you're just going to get, you're still going to be faster than the average person as a little guard that's already fast. You might slow down, but you're slowing down, it's still fast. I mean, Karek is still playing a post. Like, he can still play, like, he's playing so many different avenues of the game.

Like, he's going to be fine. Trust me, he's going to be fine. I mean, what, okay, he averaged 20, okay, what the last time we saw what, he averaged 25, what, now he'd come back, what he averaging, 22, 23? 25. I mean, it's still the same. Like, it's still the same.

Like, long as he, I'm just saying long as he averaging over 20, it's still the same. What's so funny is one thing that we've never questioned with Clay, but we talk about his injury. We never question his defense. No one says he's getting burnt. No one says he's not in position. I was, I was, I thought he diminished as a two-way player after that injury. On the defense, I thought.

Just watching him play, it didn't feel the same. The energy wasn't there the same. He may have on paper looked like he was doing something, but I remember, especially that year he averaged 18 before he got traded. It was like, damn, Clay, you're going to play some defense? Like, you're just out there now. But it was more mental, too, with everything he was going through, being treated a certain way.

You know, as a player, when you get treated like that, that takes the life out of the game, too, for you. Yeah, that's the bench for Pazinsky, then people talking about you, coach disrespecting you that you won championships. So you only play good defense when you're playing good offense? Nah, I don't want to be this.

I don't want to hear the mental health shit, man, we don't want to hear the mental health. Nick, go out here and do what you've been doing. Ain't no stopping you from doing that. It ain't the same. Because he ain't playing defense right now in Dallas, we know that. That ain't mental. He eats catfish his spaghetti

right now. Nigger, that ain't mentally good. Someone's been giving him buckets. I don't know. I'm about to say. I mean, yeah, he's not no stop or in Dallas. We're going at Clay. I didn't watch it like that. I mean, they ain't been winning.

I don't know what to say. So nobody on that team can't be thinking. There are a lot of injury issues. Obviously, 80s went out, even before getting traded. Gafford lively been out. At all I mean, you know, this squad went healthy, though. I think they're very competitive,

but we haven't really seen that that much this season. Especially when you got Clay being protected by the Draybonds and the other guys that's out there as a unit. Like, he's used to being able to be unit-wise compatible to guys who know how to play defense. So now you just out there with a bunch of young niggas don't know what they're doing. It's frustrating. It's going to be, but they don't mean you stop playing defense. I don't know. I can't stop playing defense.

Yeah, I don't know. I can't answer that because I've never heard nobody challenges this defense. I've never seen someone just like, oh, yeah, we're going at Clay to me. night. Oh, yeah. They're going at Clay, man. You got why, like I said, when you're watching the games, everybody, they're going at everybody. I didn't see Lou of that old squad.

They're going at Jason Kidd, too. Jason Kidd, get your old ass out here out. We at you too. We watched Luca destroy them every single time, and he ain't going at, he ain't going at Clay. He's going at PJ. Never even going to go at Clay like that. Well, Clay, not the one trying to

the guard. Think about if it was going at Clay. Clay would be like, I got him. I got him from Clay shit. Clay over there, guard and got down Van Doe. Or a smart man. Hey, this is your problem. That was your teeth. You, you, you do that. I came here for him. Uh-huh. Yeah. I came here for him. Ain't got to go with me. Now put out your own fires. That's funny. But this math,

I said they own their own draft pick. They got a bunch of cap flexibility. That was a part of the AD trade. Opened up a lot of breath for them heading into next year. They can open up so they just open up some more. You know, people not rocking with Dallas? No. They tanking, like I said, man.

But for next year. They're trying to devalue the team, man. That's obvious. I mean, no, they're a future. Are they? I mean, listen, they're going to get it. What Gil said? get old boy from North Carolina.

They're going to have a flag. And then you just build from there with them with those two young pieces. Well, let's say they don't get old boy from North Carolina. They just get somebody else. And they ain't really, they don't fit that piece. Like boozer? You know how to, you know how to lead, though? Yeah, they might get, even if they don't get boozer.

They can get somebody a guard, a point. They need a point. They really need a point guard. No, no, no, no. They got Kyrie and number 10 over there. 10, 10, 10 seems, He's good. So they're going to go after a four or five.

They're going to go after a boos. Do you, all right, so let's say they go after the boozer kid. You get rid of guys? Got two dupe guys over there. Building around that for the future. So that means you go keep Kyrie? You got three. Right.

That's three. So do you keep Kyrie at that point? Do you not move them? No, I think you're going to move it anyway. Right. I mean, listen, you're not going to get anybody in Dallas, like, very, very high value for a couple years. One thing you did show is you showed you're not loyal. You trade it, Luca, and I'm just as a basketball player.

The rest of the world seen it, but the basketball community seen it. they seen you trade an untradable piece recklessly just overnight nobody knew got rid of him then you bashed him he never said a word about you got you bashed him while he was out there

said he was he was fat he drunk beer all that you did all of that ruined the man's name and then you got rid of AD and you think a free agent is going to come under your umbrella and think you're going to protect him No, Bueno.

No, no, no, no, no. Yes, you don't know NBA players. We are paying. NBA players. I mean, you don't get some of them. You're going to get them for show. You ain't getting them. Listen, somebody going for the money.

You crazy. You crazy. You're crazy. Somebody going for the money. You never do. They never do. Somebody going for the money. You crazy.

They go out there to get somebody. organization who did this to a player and a free agent went there. You think if they offer somebody, they're going to be thinking about Luca? Who? If you offer them some big bread, they're going to be thinking about Luca like,

damn, fuck that money, what they did. I mean, it's no loyalty anyway, though, Nick. Right. You're going to get the middle of the road player. You ain't getting no superstar to put his brand over there. You're not doing it. You had one of the biggest mega stars in the world here. What did you do?

to him, my wife, I'm not, no. I got my own, I got my own bad habits. He's drinking beer. You should see what I'd be drinking at night. I'm on the patrol. And Molly, I know damn well, you're going to throw me under the bus. I hope not. Why are you thinking about? He was drinking beer after a win. We've seen Clay crack open the beer on TV. In an interview, crack that. What's up? What y'all got?

Nothing. And you're talking about they took a beer away from him and that was news. They purposely did that. Nah, I'm, you, you're good. You good. Y'all good. Y'all go sit there for a while. The only, the only trade team that they do have and that's been blooded in for a while now

is that is Washington Wizards. Washington Wizards and Dallas have a pipeline for their trades. It's been like that for a long time. But what you're telling me is that they kind of like Miami, no free agent's going to go down there because of the treatment. And how does any free agent want to compete with Cooper Flag being the flagship in the franchise cornerstone of the whole thing? Like how do you want to, like why would you go compete with that if you're a free agent and you're chasing the bag like y'all's saying, you're chasing the bag. they're going to pay me but I'm playing second fiddle to this second year player uh TV what I mean what difference doesn't make I mean the NBA is going to be

pushing Cooper flag anyway so you're going to be on ESPN every all the time anyway you're going so so now you talk about a guy who's not really trying to win what are you talking about what do you mean I'm trying to win they are they are trying to win they have Cooper flag they probably they brought me over here for because they was trying to first of all they have a how you trying to win and you get rid of Luca and AD and say, okay, we're doing this for defensive purposes. We feel like defensively we could be a better team.

You get rid of that same nigga that you said you traded for. This is the reason we traded it for. You got lucky and got Cooper flagged, which happened to turn out to be something promising. Okay. Now you're like, all right, let's go to the draft. Okay. That's inconsistent.

That's inconsistent as fuck. Like you're saying, You can't trust the organization based on what they've just done in the last two moves. You can't trust that they're going to be about. Why are you trusting any organization? No organization is loyal anyway. So I don't even know why we're making this a big thing. The Orlando matches got rid of sack and they got Dwight Howard.

Like, what's the difference? They will find the way back in. At the end of day, there's a lot of players out here that we can find. At the end of day, for organization. You think an organization give a fuck? Right, bro. Man, no loyalty. Man, I got two-fitting, what you're doing?

You're coming or not? Nope. All right. Somebody taking it, though. And we're going to find a piece that's going to be in the health. Regardless. So is the warriors, the warriors not loyal to J-Mond and stuff? Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if they are. Was they loyal to Celtics? So was they loyal to Clay? So was they loyal to Clay? No. Obviously, obviously not.

But, hey, was Clay as center stone as the other two that they thought? They felt like the other two niggins was more concrete. I don't know if they got to see. We got to see if St. Played by his last game. We got to see if Draymond Green played his last game there. I don't know. They just live.

We got to say. We got to wait a way to say. At the deadline. Did they train him? Of course, they tried to move from Janus and Drayman was aware of that and he was, you know, he was, he was fine with him. So how far does the loyalty go? Ten years, five years, six years. There's no loyalty.

There's no loyalty, brother. Like, that's just what it. This is a business. You get paid, you play basketball, and you go on your way. And we find somebody else to go replace you. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's some, there's some, there's some, there's some, there's some owners that's out there,

that are loyal to the game and it's not business for them. Mark Cuban was one of those guys. He paid guys after they done retire just because he looked at the championship that they got him. he's loyal a polling when i got hurt and they said don't pay him and he said no i'm paying him because we had we we had a deal and he lived up to his part of the deal i'm living up to mine i don't care what y'all say right so that's good business you're just doing good business that ain't well you're just doing good business it was loyalty because at the end of the day my need was worth

nothing i i did you know what i'm signing me to a hundred the max ruined the frown it ruined the franchise you know what he said did they try to get it back though Did they try to get it back, though? Oh, no, he died. Then they tried to get it back. Okay. Thank you. All right.

Then Mark Cuban sell Dallas, right? Yeah. All right. Okay. So, man, there's no business. If I'm a billionaire, everything is business. Ain't no loyalty. I'm going to pay you.

I'm going to do right. That's the business. Now after that, go on, bro. Like, I'm going to find somebody else after you. I don't care. I hear you, look, I hear you, I hear you, but I think it's toofold. I think that there's loyalty to certain players that you can use as a viable asset. The players that you can't use, you're not loyal to.

Like Steph, like fucking Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum, these assets that you could be loyal to based on how far that you can see that they can get your return on your investment, that's where the loyalty come. Like Gil said, I came in here and did exactly what you asked me to do. You asked me to get these fans in the community to stop thinking about Michael Jordan. I did that. And he stayed loyal to that agreement. He paid him back with that.

Like, you did your part? I did mine. But the other niggas on that team, he not loyal to because there was no agreement. There was no eye to eye where you do this and I'm going to do this. That's what I'm thinking about ownership. Like Mark Cuban was loyal to Dirkner. whiskey. He was loyal to certain guys that was like, look, you help me

do this. Same with Pat Riley and UD. And Dwayne Wade. Certain guys you get loyalty from. But if you ain't doing shit for me, I ain't doing shit for you. Cool. You got to do something for somebody to be loyal. At the end of day, you're just... So at the end of day, that's

business. So if you make me my money, I'll be loyal to you. So that's called loyalty and business, right? That's business loyalty, right? There's no such thing as loyalty in business. That's called a partnership. No, that's called, hey, that's called fulfilling the agreement, right?

It's business. It's business. You can't say that. When they're trying to take the money back, though. Loyalty to me is what I go outside of business. That's what I'm loyalty. My law, my business is all about money. How are we going to get this money?

If I ain't getting this money, it ain't no law. It ain't, what is loyalty? It's no loyalty in business, man. We're just getting money. We're here to get money. It's definitely, it's definitely. Hey, because if you're trying to do a side deal on me, and I hear you, and I hear from the grapevine,

and you come tell me, you ain't had to tell me that. You ain't had to tell me what was going on on the back end. You could have deal, G, hey, Nino and motherfucking, G, money. You know what I'm saying? You ain't had to, I wouldn't have never found out. I found out, dude, do a nigga that just sit next to me. Well, that's real talk. Everybody ain't worth the same.

So, yeah, there's no loyal business, but every piece ain't the same. Right. Right. There is a king and a queen on your guest board. And the minute you are owner and you start treating the king and the queen, like they pawns, your business is over. Yep. Because the rest of the kings and queens are looking. And they know exactly the value of who they are.

So if you're treating your king or queen like some shit, you're never going to get another king or queen. That's why some franchises stay the same way they are. And they can't get a superstar. And no superstar wants to stay there because they have a bad reputation of treating the superstar like shit. We're going to talk about that. Let's move. Right. Toronto.

Who? Toronto Raptors. What, they're all that superstar? Duh, Vince. Chris Bosch, Kauai Leonard, DeRosa. Definitely,

DeMarre. Also, they don't have a, who is the king right now in Toronto? They got paid, right? Who is the king in Toronto? That's the point.

The point of what he just said is, you can't bring another king in there because no one respects how you treat kings there. They bring in Kuwait Leonard, a king. They bring, they bring in king. They bring in king.

They bring in kings. Three, three. Three. Three. Trades, trades, trades, nobody's standing. Hey, no, here's a real question.

I mean, well, tax reasons. I mean, and only real Toronto fan can answer this. We've seen how DeMar has been playing since he's been traded, right? He's still been the same player. What was it, was it worth it? Like, you got a championship out of Kauai, but then he bounced and then you had to tear your team apart, right?

do you think that they could have with DeMar kept going the following two, three years? Because Kauai left and then now you got the same team, but the main superstar is gone. If Demar

is there with Pascal and those same guys, do they still keep competing? It's like you got rid of a guy that's still right now, still giving 20-something and you rented a guy for 40-something 50-something games you got to you got what you want yeah I said I mean I you know I don't that's somebody Toronto got a got

that's something like those fans can answer I can't answer that I don't know hey yo because wasn't he almost like MVP year in Chicago that one year like right like right after that he's been playing well I mean I think it he went to he went to San Antonio after that Yeah, it did all right, you know. But then when he went to Chicago, he basically reemerged. So I don't know. That was their first championship, though, right, Toronto? It's tough, man, because I...

Was that their first championship? Yeah, that's the only one. That's what I'm saying. Do they give up that? That's what I'm saying. That's tough. Let's keep this thing moving. Only American that said, this is my place.

This is where I want to be. I love it here. So... Is they say that? People came back home. Vince was right. They moved on from Vince. They moved on from Vince.

They was fucking with Tracy. And they both bounced. Speaking of the Raptors and the Clippers when it comes to loyalty, we got to talk about Chris Paul. So after getting away by the Raptors this past Friday, Chris Paul decided to call it a career by officially announcing his retirement. Paul previously said he would retire after this season. his 21st in the league.

But after an unceremonious parting away with the clippers back in December in his trade to the raptors before the deadline and subsequent release, Paul chunked the proverbial duties. He made the announcement in a statement posted on his Instagram Friday, which read in part. This is it. After over 21 years,

I'm stepping away from basketball. As I write this, it's hard to really know what to feel, but for once, most people would be surprised. I don't have the answer, L.O.L. But mostly, I'm filled with so much joy and gratitude while this chapter of being an NBA player is done. The game of basketball will forever be ingrained in the DNA of my

life. I've been in the NBA for more than half of my life spanning three decades. It's crazy even saying that playing basketball for a living has been an unbelievable blessing that also came with lots of responsibility. I embrace it all, the good and the bad as a lifelong learner. Leadership is hard, and it's not

for the week. Some will like you and many people won't, but the goal was always a goal and my intentions were always sincere. Damn, I love competing. So, CP3 ends his career, 12-time All-Star, 11-time All-N-B-A selection, nine-time all-defensive selection, six-time Steele's champ, five-time assists champ, 2006 record of the year, two-time Olympic gold medalist and member of the 75th anniversary team.

Also one of three players in league history with 20,000 points, 10,000 assists, 2,000 steals, joining LeBron and Russell Westbrook. So, Gil, we will start with you first. What's your reaction to CP3 announcing his retirement in the midst of his 21st NBA season? It's mixed feelings because I'm, you know, I'm happy that he got through 21 seasons and, you know, he's, you know, verbally retiring and, you know, giving his fans a chance to say thank you. But it saddens me that you have this resume, everything he's done for the game, everything he's done, everything he's sacrificed. for himself, his family, kids, organizations, other players, to not go out with the flowers from every city.

I mean, this is 20 years of being a star, 20 years of not getting in trouble. Like, he earned a Fare World Tour. Right? And that's why I was basically saying, yo, You've done so much that you have earned the year to just sit back and chill and not be Chris Paul. You gave the game so much. Give yourself something for once. And that sit back and joy this moment, enjoy your last year, your farewell.

And I don't, I personally don't like it. the idea of him sitting at home. He should be 41. 41, just hey, how you doing? Everybody screams, you know, CP3. He comes in, do his little thing. I mean, he earned that. If anybody ever earned it, he's one of those guys. So let's move on to Swaggy, Swaggy.

You got the opportunity to play with CP3 with the Clippers. What's your reaction to Chris Paul announcing his retirement in the midst of his 21st season, not getting a true farewell tour, having to shut it down. played his last game back in December with the Clippers before getting shut down? Well, I think it's pretty sad. I think people wait a year or too late. It's the chase of trying to win it all,

win a championship. But he definitely deserve going away that, you know, superstars are stars in this game get for sure. But sometimes you can't get in your own way. You know, sometimes you don't know how to let go. Sometimes you still try to be who you are out there. I think it's a year or too late.

You know, he should have announced his retirement probably last year or a year before. And he could have got the tour he wanted, for sure. Big props to everything he did. Well deserve. All right. Sean, let's move on to you. What do you think about CP3 announcing his retirement?

after a very nasty ordeal with the clippers getting traded to the Raptors way by the Raptors before All-Star weekend, subsequently thrown up the deuses. So somebody that I grew up with watching him the Cap of Magic in North Carolina and doing 21 years in the league and doing it the right way,

exhibiting all the leadership qualities you can as a point guard, staying true to the position. politically leading the players of the union and doing all the blue-collar shit that CP always kind of grew up to be. I think there should be no regrets. I don't think, I think Kobe set the bar with the farewell tour for everybody to think that they're going to do the same thing and get the same thing, but I don't think it, I don't think it's going to work out like that for everybody. I think CP wanted to go out on top, which is with a championship, and seeing that that wasn't going to happen, he wanted to go out. with the team, he took the furthest. And that alone is heartbreaking for him because he felt like he did a lot for that

organization. And it goes back to trying to figure out why that kind of thing would happen because it don't come from the top. The top is the people who got to make the decision based on all the complaining. Somebody was complaining enough to want that man up out of there. And I don't think it was the players. So internally, nobody want to say what the elephant is, but there was some type of riff that was going on with CP and other people where it was too much.

And I think that's where he's trying to figure out how to fix that so he can get over it. Because if you don't have no answers and you're confused to why you was pushed out of a situation, you wanted to really sell your boat on, that's going to be heartbreaking for him moving forward. So I think the farewell tour, that's cool. but trying to get a championship, that's a whole other level of going out. And I think that's really what he wanted to end his resume,

whether it's with the Clippers or with another team. I knew it wasn't going to be with no Toronto Raptors. So if you think about the Clippers and where they're going and getting them out of there, James leaving, I don't know, man. It's a lot of fishy shit going on

and nobody talking about. Most definitely. We're going to get more into the CP3 because he spoke about the situation. But Mr. B, I want to ask you first, what do you think about Chris Paul announcing his retirement going out like this?

Man, I mean, you know, like they said, man, the last of the true point guard position you know, he is the definition of a true point guard and what the point guard position means a lot to a lot of people watching a lot of these point guards. You know, we talk to pass the ball first, set the team up, make sure everybody

being involved and make sure you're as a leader. You always have to talk, everything like that. We're doing for 21 years. years to come down like this. I mean, nobody wants to go out like that, of course, because we put a lot of time in an effort. But, you know, certain things in life, man, when you rough the wrong feather around the league,

you know, the league don't care. Once they want you out, you know, they don't owe you shit. So it just speaks to, you know, character. Most definitely. So we saw a similar situation with Mello, him not being able to get a farewell tour, his career kind of ending unceremoniously. So CP3 pulled up to the 7 p.m. in Brooklyn show with Mello and Cass during All-Star weekend.

Shed some more light on what went down with the Clippers. Let's play that clip if we got it. When that thing happened with the Clippers, I mean, why I don't really talk to nobody, but I talk about every week. You know what I'm saying? If I was that bad, why I'm talking? Why I be talking? Why I be talking all the time?

I hit C. Lou, you know what I'm saying? Like, I love to finish my career here. L. Frank, I hit him at the same thing. Early in the season, Frank sent me an article about how great my leadership was. A article I'd never. ever seen, he texted it to me saying, man, this great leadership right here. I was extremely grateful.

So I was emotional. Yes, absolutely. When I went back, I knew it was going to be my last year, and I was getting to play in front of my family. How did it get to that point, where it ends so just abruptly? I still grasping. You know, I'm trying to figure out how I got you back. I believe in communication during training camp. I talked to one of my teammates a while, and then as soon as I went to the middle room,

somebody came and told me, like, They didn't want me giving players advice. I told them, I was like, you were my assistant coach. I know you. But it was just a lot of back and forth. If this organization has any sort of sense, that number three is going to go on the raft is one day. That's a given.

He said that to me before he sent me home. DP, we all go away. All right, your jersey. Your service is no longer needed. Before I left the room, I asked him, I was like, so, hell, Frank. You said you was going to get me a meeting with T. Lou, right? He said, sorry I couldn't do that.

Go home. So Gilstar Richard, what do you make of that whole situation? You get to hear CP3 speak on it. Obviously, with another guy in Mello that we mentioned had a similar situation just in terms of how he was not been able to get his farewell tour for after all he's done for the league. And that's what I said. You know, sometimes you got to know when you'll bark. Ain't being heard, right?

You know, you're coming into a situation. This is your fair war tour. But I don't know if he went into coming to the Clippers as his last year, right? But you're coming in. And what CP was built on was winning. He only knows how to win, right? He only knows how to go one way. And to have a fair world tour, you have to turn that off.

because that means you have to be humanized. You got to go into it knowing this is your last year. This is not about winning. This is about me. This is about me teaching. This is about me being humbled to this environment. But some winners can't turn it off, right? They only know one way.

If they see a problem, they got to attack it. Right? They got to talk about it. They got to get to the bottom of it. And that right there. And that's why I said, if you're not option one, an option two. That voice now is

now annoying. Right? And the coaches, oh, you're talking to these players, you're trying to help him out, you're trying to do this. You're undermining me. Right? Okay, I'm talking to Kauwai once a week. Well, y'all y'all practice every day. So what are those conversations like?

And is he doing one of these? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree with you. And then going back behind, like, yo, hey, can you get due? Right? Do you. Right? So, you know, we don't know what's going. on, we just know it wasn't taken the way it should happen. You know what's going on.

No, no, no, I know what's going on. Hey, you don't want you to give it advice. But at the end of the day, right, you still got to process it as this is a Hall of Fame or this is a great, whatever he's saying, he's saying it to help.

Right, but if you don't feel if you feel threatened about your position or whatever, then obviously you're going to take it as disrespect. right um hopefully listen hopefully he trains this summer he can get back on a team and have his federal tour and then go into coaching and be the great coach that he's going to be right but i i don't want this as his ending i'm sorry as a basketball guy i don't want this as his ending right this is some bullshit right this is some shit you do to uh that nigg that i i mean that the woman that American League,

that's, you know how Denver did him? That's how you do someone, right? You come in, you got to tell you. You get rid of them, you don't, you ain't got to think about it. Let it go.

I've never been told, I've never been told, you don't want you giving advice to the flag. I've never been told that. I'm going to fuck, hot, how cold you are. Nobody's never tell you.

We don't want you giving them money. That's wrong, though. That's wrong, though, Nick. That's wrong, though. First of all, first of all, you got to have, first of all, you got to have good advice for somebody to be telling you not to give you. You got to be, you have to have good advice.

And then think about how much of a fucking loser you got to be to be telling somebody not to be giving advice that can help you. He just says CPs a winner. If C.P's a winner and all he wants to do is win and you come in here and tell me, don't give your leadership qualities to our players. We're not on what you on. Yeah, can you on what I'm on? at me you you want some loser shit right you gotta be no no we just not hold what you own

your character and your character I'm trying to win your character isn't like that you know so we don't want to miss up that he should have never sent from that article your rep ain't like that go ask anybody my top five my top five all time reputation

my top five all time reputation is not like that in the league anymore he put the matter in his back when I said them that he didn't need to put no battery and Chris Paul's back he's 21 years in if you're 21 years in

he came to practice the next day just talking it got to be something it ain't a game think about it all right if the team trying to lose and they don't want to listen to no motherfucking winner

hey man watch out we got in the way here Juan Lina's the NBA champion he's not saying nothing that nica's not saying nothing the fuck he's talking he's not saying

And that's what I say. If you look at some of the guys who retire that last year, they're not them anymore. They're not demanding. They just, they happy. And that's what I said. If you knew this was your last year, you're going into this with like your rookie season, man. Like, yo, this is a great experience. Right.

You're leaving the game at a place that is foreign to you. because you came in trying to be a certain guy. You did that. Now can you enjoy this with the rest of the fans? And that's what those guys, Kevin Garnett coming back, those last years, man, is they just, they happy. They are cheerleaders in the game. You don't think Kobe was like that, though?

The last time they're going to ever be in a situation again, because when it's gone, it's gone. So them last years, they're cheerleaders. You remember Dirt's last year? He's having fun with everybody, playing a little one-on-one, looking like a dead man out there. He didn't care. He got in the game.

Hey, you know what I mean? Hey, but when you do care, when you do care, you do care. When you do care, when you do care, it's a difference. When you just sitting there, you're like, man, at least let's go down shooting. Let's go down on our shield Let's just not lay down, bro. Like, that's just, let's fight. Let's fight for it.

I don't think C.P. Would mind losing and going down without, like, he wants to fight. Like, I feel like the start of that season, the niggas wasn't fighting. They wasn't fighting. They was getting their head blown off. You're not here what he's saying. They don't care about what you won't.

Just enjoy your time, your last time here. We don't care if you want to fight for nothing. We just want to give you. your last ride out so you can go. That's what it can't come in here and do all this shit. Shut the fuck up. We're not on that. That's losers shit.

That's loser's shit. That's loser's shit. That's lose. That's why the league is what it is right now because of that mentality. Dude, because of that. You don't want to, so what would be the point? What would be the point of asking the league to have more vets if you ain't going to listen to the

fucking vets? Dude. Wait, wait, wait. We need to stop. winning shit. Only five teams want to win championships. The rest of them are. I'm talking about the player.

I'm not talking about the team. I'm talking about the player. He is a leader that's like, bro, let's just fight. Let's act like we want to win. I know y'all got out here. Y'all might not want me out here. But listen, I'm holding y'all accountable to effort and energy.

Like, nigga, let's play hard. Y'all young. Y'all should be playing hard. It's a place and time for that. Call me in my phone. It's a place to the time. That's weak as hell, man. As weak as hell.

As weak as hell. You get married. As we get... We don't get some dirty to retire. As we. That's not weak. That's not weak as hell. Because...

So what kind of example are we leading for the other guys that's coming after me? That this is okay? What is okay? Nobody else did that, though. Yeah. He don't want to be the same. He don't want to be like everybody else. We're not, it's not about, dude, we are just trying to give you your flowers and play these 82 games.

You can have your, your time. You're trying to do another thing. We're losing. We get your head on here. I don't want to hear, I want to hear what you want to do, nigga. You don't get to do what you want to do when you losing, niggas? Who's the fuck around? Just trying to eat his meal.

We don't get to just be out here like, oh, we're cool. We're losing. We don't want to hear what you're saying. What the fucking is. That's what they're just trying to eat. You are just trying to eat. They're saying we in this organization, the flippers, we come, we barely practice. We're going to party.

We're going to take some shots. We're going to get some things. They're going to love us. They're going to hate us. That's what I've been saying the whole time. I'm just saying it. I'm just trying to do. We agree.

We agree. We said that's what we're saying. I don't want to be accountable. I don't know why everybody trying to hold everybody accountable. I don't want to be accountable If I wanted to be accountable I just did the shit the right way the first time You get the tap on your shoulder

Why you eat And they got a tap on his shoulders You taught me in the middle room That nigga was like 15 And they tapped them on his shoulder like these Dude they didn't want to none of that dog They didn't want to give him his flowers They'd go out on a high

He tried to come in here and do some They were like, no we're not doing it Chris you're trying to win too much You need to relax You need to chill, you're trying to win too much Relax That's what they did That's what they did

You're trying to win. We're not. We're chilling. We ain't. We don't, this draft coming up. We're trying to give the players, bro. Read the room.

That's the motivation. We're trying to get games out of here. They don't own their draft pick, though, Gil, so they should have been trying to win. It don't matter. It don't matter. I'm just saying. Let us do what we do.

But you can't let Chris Paul eat his meal first for you, bother him and start telling him all this Bush. I can't finish. I'm just trying to eat before you got fit. I'm just trying to eat this king wall. No. No, no, you're trying to eat his meal. to win. We're trying to get James out of here.

You're trying to go to... Man, we're trying to get everybody out of here. Hey, hey, hey, you do it. Be quiet. Hey, Nick, I, you said some earlier. You said a coach never told you to not give advice. What?

What happened to you on Memphis? No, no, I want to ask the question. What happened to you on Memphis? What in Orlando? Oh, they didn't tell me. No, no, no. You didn't? No.

What did what about to tell you? Didn't he tell you something? Doug Collins. What did he tell you? Oh, he did. He said hanging with Kwamey Brown. Oh, he did? Yeah.

Uh-oh. So he gave my advice. And you got me? Yeah, I got bench. I hang him out with him. That's all you wanted to hear. No, I'm just wondering. I remember you.

You had a bit of me. No, you had a problem with him. No, I don't have no problem with him. He's all my pain. No, you said a coach. Oh, you said it was something. I thought it was a problem. It was either Philly or Denver.

One of them told you something, I remember. Oh, so that was then. All right. Yeah, he says, the reason you're not playing because you're, the company you keep, but you hang around. That's crazy. Yeah, that's, your own teammate. You can't hang out with your own teammate.

That's what type of coach is coaching you. You're talking about what I got to do to get better. Hidden agendas, bro. Wait, hold on. So he picked her to be on the team, and now he told you you can't play because the company

that you around on the team but he allowed him to be on the team but he said watching he ain't around yeah that's crazy

that's fucked up you never had no coach tell you to give good advice to the players though no I had a player no no I had a gentleman no I'm talking about Nick

Nick never had a he said he never had a coach told him not to give advice I'm just saying well I was eating I'm eating leave you the fuck alone I'm eating motherfucker

I love this chicken I'm eating right here that means hey what's that that got it for Nick Nick still on it Hey that's my shit for now

I can't give you advice I'm like god damn What you got me here What's your mind? Right there No, what is your mindset after that right there, that interaction? You're getting tapped on the shoulder why you eat. Come with me.

Call me real quick. After you're like 21 years in and you're a Hall of Fame. Man, then they tell you, hey, me, we still going to retire your journey, though. But we'll see you later. Come to the ceremony. Now, that's wild. Hey, think about that. Think about that.

They didn't get them a fair word for it. The next four years that they're retired in Jersey and he's going to have to come back and the same niggas gonna be sitting there like, what deserve? Yeah, walking out the door as they close the door.

Hey, he's still going to retire you in Jersey and slam the dole and nigga. Chris Paul deserved to slap the shit out of all the money. You cannot not go. You got to go because that's your you earned that up there. So you got to go.

And then now you got to smile in front of the same faces. man he told you we're going to retire your jersey yeah we told you we got you and no hard feelings right hell no he got

he got to have a crazy speech now you know how no you know he got to go crazy you don't know like when he gets that text dog when he get that text with that email that year we're going to retire your jersey and he's going to look at that roster to see the same people they're like

hell no you're gonna take your ass up brother you gotta take your ass over there kids you better take your ass over there who they're gonna have tell him kawai i'm just who from the organization go tell them now a home crowd not there

he got to do it with a team on a row so he ain't got to see none of them just do it just do it when they're not here yeah with team on a road yeah yeah because they go sorry they're sorry as hell

they'll be sorry as hell anyway he's going to be able to have everybody come. He's going to sell out of them saying. Be like, man, retire my shit when they're on the road, man. I don't want none of them up. Man, that's crazy. Unfortunately, man. But a sad situation, I think, across the board.

What is going to be. The way the universe works, I feel that the clippers might drive my son. Then I might have to be a clipper fan. We're praying that that doesn't happen, sir. We won't watch that on the hearing. I mean, it's true. happen. I mean, I'd be dope.

Yeah. Yeah. You think they'll let you come to the games, Gil? It's $4. I'm just saying. They got the facial recognition. They got the facial, yeah, we'd prefer if you just watch from the crib. No, because I'm going to be a die-hard clipper fan. So all that flipper and clipper stuff, let's go.

Yeah, you know, I mean. Yeah, you're going to be trying to give a mic on a big. They're going to be trying to show me shit. I don't remember none of that. You're trying to give advice from the stand It's like, hey, hey, nigga. Hey! Hey!

Oh, shit. Uh-oh, the neighbor cut off BJ shit. I knew this. They made it official. I don't know how they get back. They cut your wife? You are the voice of John now. Be here you, BJ.

It's the same to us. Gail, did you do it? Tell the truth. I see you over here, Kiki and this shit. Did you come as your business? We all within a mile radius of each other. We should have the same people from the same Wi-Fi.

His neighbor came home. You know what I? Hey, no, BJ, you got to put some moments on it, man. It's 1.30, not 12-30. There we go. He's back. My bad. It is better.

Damn. There it go. There it go. Nigger turned the Wi-Fi on. The nigger turned the Wi-Fi on finally. Man, there is a whole other room. That wasn't the background we were seeing before. For sure, was it?

I was downstairs. I was downstairs. Oh, no, you're in the studio, huh? But it's the kitchen, the bathroom, the living room, all in one. Right there, you just, let me just, this is a big of me. Okay, I got on that, BJ. Uh-huh. Yeah, I live in a five-story.

Don't, don't say that, though. You were supposed to say that. You're supposed to be building in the room, no. You're supposed to be in a room. I can see your house. Five stories, we know. Ah, damn. God, then we can see it all up in the shit.

I'm Mr. Brandon. We see y'all start burning home. We see you right there. Don't, Dick. I mentioned Brandon. I let him I had a little bit there. You see the red light up there. Did you go to the golf tournament?

Yeah. We were all the golf tournament. You got five different colors on every floor. We were on the golf tournament for varying length, Swaggy. We were all there. Relax. You can smell a nigga with some money. He didn't join.

He joined the coach. I ain't, Nick. Chill out, Nick. Don't do that. Nick, just, no. Don't start that rumor. I just want to know how I get in, Brandon. How are you getting it?

Come on, Swaggy. We're already in a virtual arena right now. He already got removed from the property. We can't even walk past Gilhouse no more. Security needs to dab me up. One, one, go to her. The whole thing, fuck. All right, Nick, we get that knock on the door.

Hey, hey, Nick, we get that knock on the door. Hey, hey, them trophy's in the back. Who trophies is those? Oh, those my UFC, give me peas and shit. Okay. That's yours. Yeah, it got a lot of shit back there.

I thought you was about to sit. It's your son. It's my son. No. That nigga didn't win no trophies. Yes, he did. He just made the whole-star team, man. All right, so one last thing on this all-CP3 discussion,

then what keeps in pushing? How long can you play co-ed sports? What are you talking about? He's only 10, man Nice to sin Nick Jr. can't be 10 again. The nigger was 10 when I threw his bike. That was at least six, seven years ago, bro.

What about going on over there, man? That old-ass young nigga you got, man. God, that's crazy. Hey. Stop giving advice. Hey, thank you. You know what this means? That's not home. He can't be out of giving advice.

Hey, that's... All right, but one last thing on this, the EP3 for we keep it moving. So, I mean, when we look back on this career, obviously first battle hall of famer, mostly positive impact on the teams he played for throughout his career. First thing with the clippers,

he helped lead the franchise a six straight playoff appearances, got traded to the Rock as they went on to set franchise records and wins. Obviously, they blew that three-two lead to the Warriors and Western Conference finals after CB3 got hurt in game five missed the next two games.

Got traded to the Thunder 2019. Helped lead them to the fifth C. Was a mentor for then second year guard, SGA, and rookie Lou Dort. The only two remaining players from that Thunder squad was with the suns for three seasons, helped them reach the finals for the first time nearly three decades. Played with the Warriors, that was nasty, but the Warriors are trash too, so it is what it is. Then last season played all 82 games with the Spurs,

helped them increase their win total by 12 from the previous season, despite Winby only playing 46 games. So as we discussed, his leadership is in a quarterback. quiet taste has rubbed some people the wrong way throughout his career, as we've seen, with this Clipper situation being the latest example of that. But does CP3 deserve more credit for how his play and leadership impacted the teams he's played on throughout his career? Yeah, I think he overachieved for the talent that he has had in his career.

It is very surprising when you look at, you know, some of the players he's played with. that got them to the playoffs and got them where they were. So, you know, I think that goes unnoticed. Like, some of the teams he took, that's a, that's, that's a ring in a career. Right. Like, you didn't really, like, you play with James Hardin, but that was his team. You play with a young show. You, you taught him the ropes, right?

You got Devin Booker, who really embraced your leadership. You got him to the championship. You got him to the championship. I forgot him to the championship. I forgot him twice. championship. That was your championship. I mean, the real ones, no, we, we know what they did. We know who came and won

those games. And it wasn't nobody on the bucks into that last game when Yonis did what Yonis did. Right? You know, what Yonis did in that last game, God damn you can't complain. But when you went up too old and they had to call in specialists, you know, they had to call

in, they had to call in the extender. We knew what was going on. So, But the years, man, where you played in for the Hornets and, was that, was that considered a Hornet? Yeah, it was the Hornets then, right? This career would have been different.

You did a lot, you know, with not a lot of talent. And, you know, it's, it is a winning, it is a winning career. A ring doesn't, the ring doesn't, the ring doesn't. the ring doesn't justify that you was a winner. He should have been to the finals twice. Because, I mean, that Houston one, if he don't sit out, I think they beat the words. And they go ahead.

But, I mean, like I always said, man, just the way that he's played. I mean, if the extended wasn't in that game either, they would have. The extender was in that. No, you crave this. Fuck. No, no. No, me was hoping there. Yes.

No. Again? Yes. Man, me, dog, you know, when they missed, when they missed 27 threes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, some of the ones they made, they called it off and said it was on the ground instead of hand ones. Yeah, any one of those three trees.

No, no, no. I'm not letting you do that. Not let you do that. You know, there's the internet right here, right? It is. See, who's taking them threes? You letting, no disrespect to the corner. You're letting Trevor, Riza, PJ Tucker,

all these niggas shooting threes. Go ahead. Shoot. Yeah, them days were like 0 for 12. They were like... Yeah, but all the takes is 1-3, the N-1 that they called and said it wasn't an end-one, that one. The one was clearly a foul.

They called off... They called off three, four, six plays. Who keeps shooting threes when you're missing? That's stupidity. That ain't got shit to do with the ref. What the coach say? Go low. Get foul.

Why he can't shoot three You shot 27 threes in a row What the fuck? Rich Paul didn't help right there He's supposed to be motherfucking in the greatest mind You're gonna tell him next to the drive? Hey, Nick.

I need you to reel it back a little bit, brother. I need you to reel it back. You're doing too much. Oh, yeah. You're too much. Hey, hey, he was there. You doing too much. You're keeping it too real, Nick.

You need to shut that shit up for I cut your money. water off now. God damn. You're saying too much. You're going to sit. So right here, they have all nine missed calls by the ref against Houston. All nine miscalls. It's a foul. 3648, James Hart's shoot a three. It's a foul. They didn't call it. Goes out of bounds. Yeah, no, no. I mean, it's here. I watch

the whole thing. I don't care what you watch. I was there in the environment, motherfucker. You wasn't there. Fuck. God damn. You're all here talking about you.

You know what? You guys were sticking on the style. I argued. I was looking at the stage. Did you get in the game? What niggins say? Man, that's crazy how you can argue with a motherfucker that was actually there.

Don't they say that all the time? That's crazy how these nigg were arguing where the motherfucker that was actually there. I don't get it. Oh, 750. Look at that. I'm looking at Nick right now. Yeah, we are all looking at Nick in the virtual arena. No, no, no.

On the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, get him. Yeah. Get out of him. Yeah. He only ended up in the bitch. He didn't even have a view to see any of these. Look up.

Look up. Mm. Oh, no. We, we have the box for it. Hold on. It's $12.50, Nick. What that mean? Nick, you play 17 minutes in that game seven.

Nick, Jr., got to go to school. What's outside? What's outside? 17. They trusted me somewhat. Nearly 17 minutes in that game, swag. You had a series changing three points. Three points?

Three points. What a thing? A crucial time in a comeback. Series changing. That was great. My own boy right there. Three old boys. Don't pass me the ball.

Don't give me no gun, then. Three old porn. They came right after me. Hey. Hey. Hey. Oh, are you? It was over after that.

There's no flag. They're like, dog, Nick, me losing. Me needs some energy. Through a crazy, nigga. I came down. Fuck the. Oh, I don't see no step. Oh.

Hey. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk. Talk.

Talk. Yeah. Fuck it. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, Nick, what did they do after that? I'm sorry, Nick. Hey, hey, come on over.

Hey, man. Me, Steph Curry, he's the greatest shooter. Hey, don't be telling these young players players not to pass it to step in them, nigga. Come on over here. Hey, cook, you're going to in, man. I said, damn, I do get it. Damn, you mean him go in now.

Ladies and gentlemen, we are here in Gil's virtual arena. We appreciate y'all pulling up. Thank you for support. For those who are unaware, we are trying to bring you this show, the HOA and Gil's neighborhood, hate it. We can no longer come through the gates.

Police presence every time we are within 100 yards of set gates, but we had to come up. Except for Gil. And Word on Street is Gil voted against. Gil is being produced. It is how I was anymore. He was the deciding. Go to vote.

You don't have a boat. Hey, it ain't my part. Tell them, it ain't my fault. It ain't my fault. It's an A-cho-A. I went in a trip, dog. I had to read the room.

I had to read. I'm black. I'm not. I'm, I should. I might read only black. It's only two of us in the neighborhood. I'll start seeing hands go up. Bo-Boo-B-B-B-B.

Yeah. All right. We got four to four. Four-four. No dissenters. All right, well, let's keep this thing moving. It remains to be seen when CB3 will have his jersey retired, the final farewell from the Crippers,

who will actually be in attendance and what he will say in said speech. But that will be primetime television. But let's shift this over. Swagg, you mentioned playing with KD and Steph in that game seven. Let's talk a little KD. Known for being socially active, cementing himself is one of the most engaging athletes on Twitter. But KD might be in some hot water after leaks

from his alleged burner account hit Twitter during All-Star Weekend. The Leaks, which are reportedly from direct messages sent by the account in private group chats on the social media platform, include negative commentary about current and former teammates and coaches, including Durant's current Rockets' teammates, Alperin-Shangoon, and Jabari Smith Jr. Also, one message refers to Russell Westbrook as a triple-double cocaine bear that was going heavy on Twitter. So, Durant was... Wait, wait, wait, what? One of the alleged messages, we do not know if this is actually Katie's burner,

so I want to keep saying that and specifying that. But one of the messages they were talking as they do, and Katie referred to Russell Westbrook as a triple-double cocaine beer. Damn. Which? But Durant was asked, Durant was asked about the burner account during Rockets practiced today, and during that Rocket's practice, he had this response.

There was, So you also correct that you use the burner account to disparage current and former teammates. The handle for the Burnwood's being at Kavanaugh-7 is that your account to send the messages? So as you heard of the team? Do you talk about it all for the teammates? you heard KD say right there. He said he's not getting into Twitter nonsense. Katie has been known to tweet from burner accounts after getting exposed back in 2017 when he accidentally sent a tweet intended from his burner to his actual official account.

He admitted he still has at least one burner lurking around. Durant has not been active on Twitter since these allegations dropped. So we just played the clip of KD being asked about the burner. Should be noted that he did not deny his account. He said, I'm just not getting in to all this Twitter. nonsense was the response. So Gil, if true, how big of a deal is Katie's Burner Gate situation?

Stop. This ain't his account, man. Who talks in the first person on a burner account? The message, they were private group chat messages. A nigga that's high. A nigga that's high. Okay, so. A nigga that

smoked too much weed. A nigga is sitting there smoking a couple of dudesies. He's sitting there forgetting that he's talking to a bunch of niggas he don't know. That type of nigger. And the niggins started rapping. I looked at all the goddamn tweets. The nigger was rapping on some of those tweets. Nigger, don't you know we know you rap too, nigga?

You can't be rhyming and tweeting at the same time. The nigger high. Nigger was high. He fucked up. The nigger fucked up. He probably high in that interview and forgot that he fucked up. And then he wanted to admit it. The nigger fucked up, man.

He just take this L and just apologize to everybody. No, no, you can't do it twice. You can't get a call twice. Hey, I don't care if it's true. I ain't apologizing. It's just 20. Who's going to do something? He can't stop.

Say what I said. Give me the rock. So Kevin Durant from his burner account tweeted this. It was in private group chats. Coach called that play to pass to Alpy. I'm gonna turn a ball over with this shitty-ass team. I don't give a fuck. Your franchise player can't shoot or defend.

That's a way bigger issue than my turnover. Remember, these guys are your future. Now, I'm on a burner account talking in first person. High as fuck. I don't think this is, though. Gil, this wasn't tweeted to the public. This was tweeted in a private group chat. Why the fucking my private group chat on a burner?

Wouldn't I just be on my regular ass account in a private group chat? Why I got to be on a... I think the burner one get involved anyway. Then I just create one and then say, hey, this is my burner account. Follow me so we can create a private one. What fuck are we talking about here? Fair. The niggil who leaked it is the person behind it.

look at these tweets and you look at how Kevin Durant, Texas, it's not the same person. If you're going to have a burner account, no burner account talks in the first person. It always talks to, hey, man, Kevin DeRan should have got the ball at the end. Damn, man, Kevin DeRan is the best thing

that ever lived. Hey, man, Kevin Durant is the goat. I don't know why going to state let Kevin the Wreck go. Like, that's how you talk on a burner. You know what I mean? I would have turned the ball. I ain't passing to that shitty ass, nigger. They should the past meet the ball. Yeah.

For sure. Gil, you seem very versed in burner accounts. I don't need a burner account. I'm no chill Gil. But I look at stuff like this. You can read it. That's way

bigger, girl, chick. Alpy, chick. Who says Alpy? He's black. Dog. He's from Baltimore. These in the area He's gonna say What he's gonna be saying goon

Or the goon What we call? Albee, really? All right. Okay, all right. You might be gonna learn to learn of less of time. Both y'all funny.

Both your points are funny. I just think it's funny whoever saying that shit is just funny. I know, I mean, I believe it's not KD. Okay, that's what it's called. It's called plausible, denyability. That's what it's called. It's called plausible deniability.

When you can be in a group chat under another motherfucking handle that you can say ain't yours, hey, man, I don't know nothing about that shit. You can't prove it was me. But, hey, if you in practice calling Alpi, Alpi, my nigga. Can I just ask a question?

If you call him that in practice, if you call it Alpy, Alpy in practice, my nigga, if Russell Westbrook actually playing like cocaine bear and we can see that shit out there like you describing a nigga playing like and you saying

like the shit he's saying can't be from a regular fan that's what I'm saying like that shit just can't come from a regular fan so I don't think he'd be a nigga some shit or something I don't know it just sound too crazy I got to look at all the tweets

I just want to look at all the tweets man, you got to look at all of. You don't do it twice, though. I'm going to start a burner account right now, right? I'm going to start a burner account. Don't do it, no, no. And I'm going to make it private. Okay?

Now, how the fuck do I invite somebody to the Gilbert Arena's burner account without telling him it's my account? Do you get where I'm saying? Hey, Brennan, follow this account. This is my private burner. The header of the account said hoops and what is saying?

Joe, hoops and vibes. It's just like if you go to Twitter spaces, you don't know who in that bitch based on the handle, right? But we in here talking about X, Y, Z. This is a big-ass group chat where niggas who says some shit, just say whatever you're going to say. It's just like a group chat. I'm just taking these screenshots of this niggas saying this wild shit that It sounds like KD. That sound like KD, but how do you know it's KD if, did he tell you to follow that page? I'll tell you how we know. Okay.

He's done it before. That's why I don't think you would do it again. You're going to embarrassed, bro. No, he won't. No, no, if you get caught the second time, it's done for. He said it in the starting five, Nick. He said it in the, he said it in the starting five shit. He's like, man, I got it.

I got to engage. with the people, man, ain't nothing better than talking back and forth. When I got time, I don't talk to him. So he's doing the same shit. He's got to ride with KD right now. He's been serious. We have the difference in talk back and before here about you.

Yeah. You're saying that they should have called the play for me. I'll rather turn the bitch over than pass a... Come on, that don't sound like no damn, Katie. Come on, man. You've been high before.

You been high before. Shit, you said where shit not being high, nigger? We didn't heard you say some shit. It doesn't make sense either. It don't mean, it got to make sense. If you're saying it and it's like, damn, KD, you mean to tell me you would rather turn the bitch over than passing to that nigga.

Name me one score in the history of scoring. Ever said, I will rather turn the ball over than pass it. Antoine Walker, for sure. You're a hit my walker. I'd rather shoot it. Get what arena? Give it. I'll rather shoot it.

I'll rather shoot it. Give it one of the arena. Never turn the ball over. I'd rather shoot the ball. You said, I'd throw the ball in the bounds and give me a ball to you, Nick. I'd rather throw that bitch to, I'd rather throw that bitch out of bounds and give you the ball, Nick. I had all kinds of crazy shit out your mouth, give. I'd rather shoot it.

Call a timeout before I pass you the ball. Never. turn it over and he turns the ball over. So all it is is a fan watching, a turnover ball, and then he says it. A fan don't got that type of insight, Gil. A fan don't got the type of insight

to be like, and I ready to turn that bitch over and throw it to your above ass, nigga. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that. I'll say that for sure. You have never put the ball over than passing him. That's what the play looked like. Two minutes.

But I'm saying, a fan not going to have an insight to say that. Fan not going to know. That's the insult. sight or shit. That shit we know. Like, man, you out here with a nigga who can't play. I would rather turn it over than pass it to you, bro. So you're not. So you're doing real life at the two minute mark that had nothing to do with the game. But whoever was watching, that was a play for them. The rest of the game kept going on. But that play was pointed out. I heard somebody say, insider, inside the Houston rocket shit, that Javari don't be getting the

plays and he don't be understanding certain shit that'd be going on. Did it come from KD? I heard this but then but then it's in the tweet. So I heard this on the other side of this and then I see that so that means that KD has heard this if he was the one doing it

Hey man ain't no fan hearing that Hey you're a fan You heard it I got it from a source Okay but you're a fan And you got it from some of it. I'm not a fan I'm a snoot it. I heard it from a

nigga that's inside. It's like, yeah, man, Jabari, he don't be, he don't be remembering the plays and shit, man, he be, and I'm like, damn, but the nigga is good, though, he was like,

man, but he don't be remembering the plays. Okay, he's, wait, so he's good, but he don't be remembering in the place.

So let's, that's his fault. So somebody, but it wasn't Katie, someone in the organization told you, but it wasn't Katie. I'm just saying,

as a source, I can't reveal my sources. You got to keep it. resources. But we've got to keep his sources. But we know it wasn't KD who told you. So someone Yeah, it wasn't KD that told me. So someone told you

that he was dumb, right? No, somebody told me he don't remember the plays. No, no, that don't mean you dumb? It just mean you don't remember the plays. No, in basketball terms, you're done. You can't remember. Why, because when you allow you allowed to smoke weed now, so

goddamn niggas be out there for getting the plays all the time. Okay, someone in the organization pulled you as a student. As a student, if you had a burner account and you wrote this message, you could be KD, correct? Ooh. Ooh. No, no, not me.

I don't participate. I don't participate in a group. You see, I'm saying. It's him. It's me. Nah, that just mean you, that just mean you, you had a conversation with KD. You got to kind of figure out how to get that niggas back for some reason. But hey, they're on that nigger ass, man.

They on that nigger ass, man. He can't get away from this shit. There ain't no text message. Go stop this. All I'm saying, hey, hey, BJ. BJ. That just me, you had a conversation with KD. You got to kind of figure out how to got that niggins back for some reason.

Or, hey. They don't that nigger ass, man. He can't get away from this shit. Huh? Or somebody in the organization. Hey, BJ. Is somebody watching the show live on YouTube while it's going on? Hey, that was must needed.

Whatever it was, it was much needed. We needed to hear that shit again. Virtual arena, ladies and gentlemen. The real serious question. All right, all right. Nick, Ben, Ben, Jim, Ben, was again for a long. Right now. If Brennan Jen is fan started talking,

because we know he knows everything about you, right? Mm-hmm. Can he pretend to be you? And we won't know. Nope, yep. That is Brandon. What the fuck is you talking about? That is Brandon.

What the fuck? We don't know that's Brandon. Right? You have a diehard fan to the point where if he wanted, if he wanted to talk your thoughts, he knows everything. He knows how you're thinking because he follows you. Because she's sitting next to him on the couch. That ain't no, that ain't no dude.

That's his girls. He's sitting there talking to this shit. No, you're right. No, Gil. No, Gil, you're absolutely right. I hang with him when I go to Milwaukee. I've seen him before. Like, he knows how I move around.

He's been following me since, he's been a fan of me since I was with the bucks, my rookie year. So he could know how everything. Like, even he won't talk in first person. No, no. Yeah, you know, they need to pass me the ball. No, no, no, no. Someone's purposely trying to make it seem like it's him.

No one talks in first person, man. On, bro. Stop the cap. The first thing is caught in real time, man. Niggas caught. You're not even talking first person. We got you on film. Nigger, we see you still in boxes.

Nick, Craig, how you get fired on your day off? They say they see you still in boxes. He don't talk like, like, even, even, even, what's so funny is even about the burn him count. It didn't even attack when his first one, the one he said was it, he didn't attack people then like that? No. He didn't.

Come on, man. This is a fan fan. He was defending himself, I think, in that tweet that he initially. You do that. You defend yourself. And so why the fuck is he not defending himself now? He used to defend himself against very cool thing else. It ain't hit.

I guarantee you, I guarantee you, if you want to find his burner account, you go through those and you're going to see someone say, man, this ain't true. I know the real Kevin Durrana, blah, blah, blah, there's going to be that one. That's him. The one that's dependent on that post. I would think he was guilty if he would immediately start to clapping back on Twitter to everybody who was saying shit. If he, the fact that he ain't said shit since,

man no no we cannot do that just because somebody don't always responds fast that don't mean that is always true you gotta give people time because people be saying all type of shit in the beginning and then when somebody actually tell their truth everybody be looking stupid so right he had a chance to tell the truth just now he was just like I'm not addressing this nonsense yeah I mean so I mean he didn't address it so I'm not yeah I mean he didn't deny but he's not addressing it and I'm getting back to the season all right I'm not addressing this bullshit out right all right all right Moving on from whether that, that, uh, burner coming in, is Katie or not.

What we do know is, uh, dog. Hey, they're cute. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Well, the nigger high, man. Y'all got to let these niggas. I got let these niggas be high, man. That nigger got caught being high, man. Yeah. I can't say that.

I know a man. Yeah. You came in real strong, man. Hey, you know, if you really. think about it. I started off and I'm like, You can't say you can't save him, you can't save him. I know y'all friends.

I know y'all friends, but you can't, you can't save him. I'm not going to let the friendship live any longer, nigga, I'm going to step in and let y'all niggas know. I'm in here to fuck shit up, okay? Hey, you knickas already blackballed me from all the parties and shit, what you think I ain't going to say shit?

Oh, yeah, he's, oh yeah, he's telling Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You ain't getting off on this shit, nigga. Shy, you weren't the only one. Hey, uh, you weren't the only one to get black ball. Hey, and talk about me and them new group chats too,

God damn. I need, I need the exposure. Go ahead and talk about. They sent me the group. They sent me the screenshots, too. I get some of them. I get some of them. I get some.

Don't need, hey, I get some of them. Okay. Y'all got to see a group shot? Don't start. Don't start that. You know when they go back against the wall, they say whatever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, Nick.

Hey, Nick. Tap me on the shoulder, nigga, any point, okay? Okay. But on a serious note, burners aside, league mess aside, Katie from his official account, which we know is Kevin Durant. Twitter police won't know to come get you. Katie on his official account Hey he on Twitter right now

Erasing that shit didn't Erase E-race. Katie from his official account Very active Always engaging with fans Going at fans Getting into arguments

Debates discussions Do you respect KD for using social media And engaging with fans As much as he does For sure Of course It's a great marketing tool

For Katie He actually He actually responds to a lot of people too It's about anything So, I mean, even if he does have a burner or not, he still talk from his regular page. He's very active on Twitter. I see all his tweets and everything. Tweet's pretty funny.

It's pretty funny as hell. He also got a lotion deal. You see his new lotion deal that he got from Twitter because everybody, from all his tweets, everybody keeps saying he's ashy. So he did have that ashy angle incident. He did. Hey, V. I'll lie me.

Swaggy, we can get you one as well. So, I mean, so, yeah. So, yeah, him engaged with a dance. My man, swag need cocoa butter. That ain't lotion not going to do nothing with that. It needs real cocoa butter. How's the source? My group chat?

I'm not a nobody group chat. I blocked all them niggas. If you know Gil. I don't do group chat. I'm out. Gil's not reachable by any conventional means. Uh-uh. No, thank you.

Can't even get on the property anymore to say hello. No. You see their faces? No. No goochie. Very accurate. There will be no gilligs. No gilligs.

You blocked. You see their face a chat? Your niggas is blocked. Okay? Try to take right now. Blot. I like this a little better because I don't have to be next to you. I don't know.

That's what they really thought they was blocked. I just ignore y'all. That's crazy. I got your text. I got your text last week, Swaggy. That's crazy if you did, motherfucker. He's crazy. He's like, yo, he'll hit me real now.

It's important. That's why I ain't hit you back because it's important. I don't want to do something I don't want to do. No, I'm good. I need you to pick me up from Jim. said, yo, I seen it. Hey, Nick, that rim is all of five foot, right? And his son is 14.

He has a younger son. No. All right. Just like what we're saying? I don't know what I'm saying. I'm in the virtual arena right now. Are YouTube plaque right there, Bob? Who got the YouTube flag out?

Hold on. Right there, just behind them, two asses. See, that's not a. Damn. Man. You're right, man. Are you in a closet? What is it?

You got a bird. You got a five-foot basket. You got our trophy on the floor. Is that a hat? Is that a Julie Trophy? What's the fuck is going on over there? Julie,

man, let me turn my shit. I'll ask him a day for Brandon day the transfer room. Some people don't be right back. I got to go get something. All right, what we got, Josiah? I don't know. I'm here stuck in the virtual arena. I'm sorry, Gil's virtual.

No, you're not. You're not sorry. It's fine. I don't know how long you're going to put up with this type of. I've been doing with you niggins for three years. You're not sorry. You can't put me in the Negro category. I teach you very well.

You are respectful. Don't put me in the book. I laugh at all you're jokes. I know. Most of them are not funny, but shot, I also feel your pain all-star weekend.

I had to walk into the party with Canyon. I had to sneak into Brandon's golf tournament. Sneaking. I had to sneak in the past party. Any of the sneak-in-after party. No, you're saying. They jam me up at the door at the after-party. Man, what's you doing here?

I had to show them clips of the show. That's me right here. Hill and sushi. Hey, hey. The little caviar. Ooh, the little caviar. Okay. But we're going to get in all that.

I'm not even going to hold y'all, right? So you had an after party. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You were invited. Yeah. I mean, it was, everybody knew about it.

Everybody? Yeah. Did you send him an invite? Like, you text them? Everybody knew about it. Yeah. I didn't know. Uh, uh, uh, uh, nothing, motherfucker.

Uh, your best friend was there in. Yeah. What day did you text the in the no? Like what day? Because I didn't know. Everybody knew if you was at the golf event, everybody knows that. How did you get it to them? Everybody was told that it was an after party.

No, what I'm saying is did you text them? Who texted them or did you email? Oh, you got a block. No, it wasn't me personally. No, it wasn't me personally. Huh? It wasn't me personally. It was the people that was putting on an event.

They made sure everybody who came knew about the, party. So they invited me? Because my wife went. Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. I was going to say, your wife was there. When I saw, I said, where's Gil? She didn't tell you, Gil. I saw your best. I saw your best. I was getting dressed

and stuff. Like, she was like, where you going? She was like, uh, Brennan's after party. She was like, yeah, you didn't get the invite? I think all right. I think all kind of pictures and shit. All right. You didn't go, Nick, you didn't get anybody neither? Hell no, they, it's only certain Luminati niggas win. That's all.

Damn. You know I was invited, you know I was invited, I'm a man. I'm going to be asking you. I'm with none of that. Hey, I am a man of God. I don't be drinking, I don't be drinking the blood and shit. I don't be drinking the blood. I don't know about this.

He started golfing, boy. He been acting. Listen, no, man, I pray to God. That's all I do. Don't put that on me. Don't come knocking on my dog. Hey, hey, swaggy. He was out there swinging the motherfucking golf club, right-handed and shit.

I can that shit. I'm like, how the fuck he started hitting holes in one and shit off the T and shit? God damn. That nigga, do a magic. A nigger, vampire now. A nipper now. Vampire in L.A. God damn, that's perfect, part two, nigga.

Vampire in California in L.A. Vampire in Compton, nigga, goddamn, let's do it. Let's write it. Goddamn shit. That's the script right there. You're playing. Ladies and gentlemen, we are turned up in Gills virtual arena. We got one last topic for the day.

We need to discuss that very appropriate based on the conversation we're having now. It's all loyalty, which there seems to be none of in this day and A. So James Harden learned about the business side of the league early in his career. One six men in the year in 2012 in his third season with the Thunder, reaching the finals with that squad along with KD and Westbrook. after OKC opted not to give him a max extension, Hardin got traded to the Rockets where his career flourish, including an MVP. Hardin is now on his 14, since getting traded from Houston in 2021, with the bulk of those moves coming from trade requests for various reasons. So after his third game with the Cavs is being traded by the clippers before the deadline,

Hardin offered his perspective on the business side of the league and why it's become common for stars to end up on multiple different teams during their careers. Let's take a listen to that clip if we have it. There's basketball and the whole quote-unquote loyalty thing is, I think it's overrated. You know, I think this is a business at the end of the day and it's a lot of money involved and a lot of decisions that has to be made, you know what I mean? So, you know, like if a player isn't producing or if you don't see him in future or, you know, front office, some of them have to do like a job and want to keep their job, you know, so they got to feel like they got to do its best for, you know, to keep him.

their job and they trade players or if a guy isn't happy and he wants to be traded to somewhere else then it's a problem um it's just so many different dynamics that go into it it's this is a business for me it's always about like i don't lose focus of um you know trying to compete for a championship and then financially you know making sure that my family is is is taking care of you know what i mean because i'm i'm very smart and i'm and i'm i've sacrificed a lot you know what i mean financially like which i don't get credit i don't get credit i don't get credit i don't you don't get talked about, but I'm fulfilled and I'm happy with it, you know. But like winning a championship or at least having a chance to,

and then financially getting paid for, you know, me being available and playing at the highest level for so long. So to answer your question, you know, this is a business at the end of the day. So I feel like players should, you know, ultimately do what's best for them and front office does what's best for them and their owner and their organization. So, you know, it's two sides of a story. So Hardin has made the playoffs in each of its first 16. seasons in the league. That streak will continue

this season with the Cavs, currently sitting at 4th in the east, heading into the home stretch of the season. So do you guys understand Hardin's perspective on there being no loyalty in the league? I mean, I understand where he's coming from. And these players

are benefiting from the past players' mistakes, where players stayed in situations longer than they were supposed to. Legacies was ruined sitting in certain cities

where, you know, when you was good enough to affect winning, there was no other pieces with you, you know, like Patrick Ewing where, you know, you just needed that one piece and you just couldn't get over the hump. You know, Alan Iverson where, you know, you never added someone with him to go get that championship. right it's like well he sells every seat in this in this building we don't need to add any better pieces with them right so you know um because the legacies are built on championships and that's what

you're telling the last 30 years of of players these guys are now sitting here and they're saying well they look like they're about the win they look like they got the piece that organization look like they're trying to get pieces over there, we still are stuck here. I'm a free agent. I'm going to explore. Versus just taking the money here, I'll just rather leave.

Because the game is, the rules are designed so you just don't up and leave. You take a big financial hit for leaving. So when he says, I've sacrificed so much, he's right. Right?

You sacrifice a lot of, the money leaving the city that you're in. So, you know, we don't know what deals he turned down, but I've heard that, you know, it's, it's been at least $150 million that he's left on a table trying to win the championship, you know, trying to, you know, keep the team getting better. So, um, this is, this is a business, right? Um, we're sold on winning. We're sold on, you know, you're not shit unless you're,

you're champion. So, you know, if I'm worth a hundred million and you're telling me, hey, take 50 and we can get these other players for you so you win, the player does that. But in reality, the organization, if I'm worth 100, why aren't you spending more money to go with? Do you not want to win a championship? Why are you banking on me wanting to win a championship? So you want me to take a pay cut for this guy, but you're not taking a pay cut to get that guy. You want all your profit and then you want me to sacrifice, right? So the

millionaire is sacrificing for the billionaires. But because the public don't have a face to go with it, they side with the team and not the player not realizing that the owners don't want to take a pay cut. They want the players to take

one so they still get all their profit. And that's why certain teams don't pay their players. don't care to pay players because they can keep bare minimum team, the fans are going to come support, and then their business is going to grow,

they're going to have this team for 20, 40 years, however long. They're going to make their profit. So I don't need to make my, I don't need to win a championship to be a billionaire. Right? And that's the business. So these players are smart enough to say,

well, I want to be a billionaire too. So I need to go and chase these checks too. Brandon, you agree with Hardin's assessment on there being no loyalty in this league. Yep. I agree. I look at it from both sides, what Gil said. You know, James wanted to sacrifice for winning. He lost a lot of money off of it. And when it was time for him to re-up, you saw what they did to him. But I like what James said, man. And I hope a lot of players, I hope a lot of young players coming up or listen to James because he's been in this situation.

And it's true. So, you know, like Gil said, man, so much money that's been thrown out here now that NBA players can become billionaires. Like we're going to see a, Wendy's probably going to be a billionaire. You know, Luca, you know, FDA, they'll probably be billionaires before they're done playing. And, you know, that's just the thing. Go get yours. The biggest thing is going to get chores because the organization is going to be there in the owners.

He ain't losing no money. He's still going to be a billionaire and have all his at the end of the day. So just do what's best for you. Swaggie, you agree. with Harden's stance and opinion on loyalty being overrated? Let me just hear of

hear of speak about it and talk like that was big. Look at them in a different light. I get a lot of bad press, a lot of bad criticism. And it's just good to finally hear him speak out on the situation. And it's true.

It's true. Players got to do ultimate sacrifice and everything lies on a player. You don't hear nobody talking about the owners of nothing on ESPN on these shows, on podcasts. It's always a player. So, yeah, just keep bringing light to it for sure. And then shot, obviously, we just played the clip of Hardin, giving his opinion on loyalty,

saying he sacrificed a lot to think about the situation with the Sixers, when they're supposed to be a deal under the table with Darrell Morey to get him his bread, proceeded to get traded at Clippers. Now the Clipper situation, they were six and 21. to start this season. Had a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes over there. He's now in Cleveland with the Cavs with an opportunity to keep his playoff streak alive.

What's your reaction to Hardin's comments just on there being no loyalty in the NBA? I don't know. I mean, I'm going to stick to staying 10 toes on the original conversation we had earlier. The loyalty happens with certain players. I believe Houston had loyalty with James for 10 years and ultimately he decided to leave

based on Darryorne exiting and also Mike D'Antony being fired. They brought in a new coach. We got rid of the GM that was essentially his center stone piece to keep him with the Houston Rockets and it allowed him to go to the team he wanted to go to. So James went to Brooklyn,

to the team he wanted to go to. He didn't go to Sacramento. He didn't get traded to the Bucks or anybody that he didn't. want to go to. He went with the team he wanted to go to. Then you look at when he was with OKC, the $5 million that he couldn't get to push him to the Houston Rockets. I think that them not being able to get him the money he wanted, ultimately fuck the franchise over with their aspirations of getting a championship early on.

You look at Brooklyn and him wanting out and going to where he wanted to go from Brooklyn. I think that all of these organizations have done right by James based on where he wanted to go. And his value and his assessment on being the player he is allows him to have that leverage. I think even with Philly, you know, Daryl not being able to hold up his end of the bargain allows James to go where he wants to go, him going to the Clippers. You get to go play with Kauai. He hasn't made a decision yet to go play by himself where he don't have helps. He's always went somewhere where he know he can get some help. Even this last situation with Cleveland, So if you think about the clippers giving him that out going to where he wants to go,

I would say the loyalty is there for him. I think just him being smart enough to know where he wants to go. And the organization agreeing, like, we're going to make something happen where it makes sense for us too. I don't think it's the other way around. I think, you know, even if you're chasing the money, you're always going to look a certain way based on the decisions you make. So if he's looked at right now as a nigger that's chasing money and you're going for how much money you can make, that's what it's going to look like, especially if you're not winning no rings around it. And I think if he stay in, if he stay in Houston for another seven, eight years, he's still there right now. Would they have won a championship by now?

Who knows? That's a variable we never going to see. But would that look like loyalty if he was still there? I think so. I think he's saying that he He leaves He leaves before he gets screwed Because he said because there's no loyalty

Right? Y'all remember Westbrook, right? Where he turned on Kevin Durant for the organization And said, oh, he won out, I'm here. This is this is me. They traded that man. Right? We watched tomorrow.

this is my city they traded that man so he's looking at situations and said they don't really have no loyalty so shit

I need to be I need to do what's best for me so if I feel like hey man this shit I'm not going down with the ship

because I know the owner yeah yeah he got a submarine so he's gonna live he's gonna live the rest of us our careers

is going to die so he's basically saying I'm not get the puck out of there before you even have a chance to screw me. When my, when my number is high, that's when I bounce, right? Houston, more of his guy. I believe in him. I'm going with him. So he followed him, right?

But remember, hey, we're trying to win championships too, right? So who you need to win a championship? All right, bring me CP. All right, here you go. Who else you need? I bring me Dwight Howard. All right, here you go. Who else you need? All right, here you go. Russell, Restbrook. Here you go. Man, look, we still not getting there. So remember what we said before. If you give me this, I'm going to give you this. My guy's up. So if you're not delivering, if you're not delivering on getting me where I need to go,

and I'm giving you the money that you asking for, there's no tradeoff. But my guy left. I know. That's what I'm saying. So now you have, you feel like your incentive now is this was my guy. And this guy brought you in, paid you. based on the organization telling him to do that. Like, someone's giving Darrell the heads up that this is cool.

So if you can find another middleman for you to still go to the dude that's paying you, it shouldn't change your stance on the organization. But if you like Darrell that much, all right, go with Darrell, right? But guess what happened with you and Darrell? You obviously didn't like Darrell that much because you niggas split up when you got to this other side of the fence. Yeah. So now is it a you thing or is it a Daryl thing or is it an organizational thing? No. Or is it a thing when you don't get your way, you're ready to just bounce.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. What is it? No, is this? If I tell you, if you come to happen with Daryl, you come to me and say, hey, we need you to take a pay cut so we can make this move, right? And we'll get you on the back end. So what's this move for, though, Gail? This move is for what? to get a better player. To try to win a championship. Yes. All right.

So, go ahead. He takes a pay cut, right? For this. You spend the money, how you spend it. His contract is up, and he's ready to extend off the promise you made to him. And then you, as Darrell, couldn't deliver. It wasn't Darrell. It wasn't him.

It was up top. It was up top. Up top was like, nah. And we didn't get what we was supposed to get on this side. Where is our check? Where is our finals? Where is the, where is the playoff run?

We're looking for our shit, too. Okay. So we don't get what we get, you don't get what we're not going to give you what you. No, no, no, no, no. That's how I'm looking at it. No, no, no, no. You told me to give you $100 and you was going to do this with it.

I gave you $100. Okay. I did my part. What the fuck you do with it is your name? you. Where's my 200 back? Like you said. Hey, we went to get Paul George with that hundred. Oh.

Cole. You didn't flip it right. That's your problem. I gave you a hundred. You said you was going to flip it to two. Where's my two? But I didn't say I was going to flip it to two, but you did say you was going to give me more than you gave me. You gave me 20 and 10. You came off.

You gave me 20 and 10. I gave you to 100. You said you was going to flip it to two. Right. Right. That's your fucking power. Where am I two at? I still want my two. Yes, I get that.

I get this. I get that. But what? What about what you promised me, though? I promised you my money. I gave it to you. No, no, no, no. You took less.

You took less so you can get something on the back so you can get more, right? You took less so you can get more, right? You asked me because what I'm valued at this point, if I'm valued at 50 million, and that's what I'm demanding. And you're like, hey, hold on, hold on. we're supposed to give you 50. If you can take 35 right now, we'll give you 65 tomorrow. And you're like, all right,

we're going to do that. All right. Now, look, get it. I get that. Now, what's in it for, what's in it for us? We're doing this deal for you. This is for you to get your rent.

You're coming to me and telling me not to take them. Yeah, to take 35 for you to go get more points. Yeah. Right. So we can win. So we can win. I, take the 35 for you and we don't win.

I still took the 35 for you, but you didn't help us win. You, the first agreement is we win. You got the wrong with the 15 extra. That ain't my problem. Where's my- No, we got the right player. We got the right player. You gave us less production.

No, no. You're my guy. That means you're my guy. That means you're going to be personally. Outside, I talked about this already, though, Gil. We talked about this the same thing. thing when it happened. I'm like, Darryl Moore is like, look, we was looking for

25, 27 and 10, 27 and 8 James Hardin. You gave us 20 and 10. The shit you ask them for don't add up for what you gave me. Bro, you're you ask me, I get both sides. As a friend, you didn't, you came to me outside of business

and so I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. I get it. He as buddies. That's why they fucked up. That's why they fucked up. But remember what we said. This came from up top. Remember, this come, this not come. Daryl was like, look, bro, this ain't got shit to do with me. They saying, you didn't give me, you

didn't give us what you said, who's going to give us? No, I did. I gave you the 35. That's what everybody's missing. I gave you the $35 million. What you told me to help your books. Right. Then you did then you fly and ball with me.

So James, I told him of friends. In his part, the other group. is the one that flambawed. And that became the problem. But that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying for the upper people going back to Daryl and saying, Daryl, we're not giving him what he asked for because he didn't give us what we asked for.

Yeah. But that's what I said. I've never been in that situation, but I know those conversations because I was in that conversation before where I had a conversation with the owner. He told me this is what we want for me. I did it. There was a time and point. where he could have stood on corporate business and say,

hey, you're, you got 127. Dr. Say your knee ain't worth this no more. We all. You can take this. That's the best we're going to do. And go back on his words, right? He could have did that.

But Mr. Polman said, hey, they told me your knee wasn't going, that has nothing to do with me. Whatever your number is, 110, 120, 127, it's all yours. You do with it how you please. Let us know when you come back. That was our conversation. If you want somebody fired, we can fire them.

And that's when I said, all right, I called Anton. How much you need? Boom, boom, boom. Instead of taking 127, I took 111. You know what I mean? You made all those decisions based on trying to win a championship for the owner. But he did right, but he did right by me to give me a chance to do that.

what I'm saying. So for Darrell, Darrell's the middleman. The relationship between Darrell and James going to salt because you're not giving me from the owner perspective, you're not giving me what I gave you the money for. But y'all know, the middleman always gets shot first. Don't you take a pay cut to get

other good players, though? No, no, we do. Yeah, I know. So why? In theory, we don't suppose to. I know, but the players they got, because they had messed up to? And the Donald James?

They got Paul George. They got Paul George out of the situation. They paid Paul George with James Harder money. Yes. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's fucked up. That's the business.

I, you know, and that's where it goes. But, you know, it is a dirty game. It's like, it's one of those things is if you're the middleman, don't make promises you can't. I mean, don't make promise when you can't deliver. He delivered and you're not delivering back to him and you have the excuse and he don't want to hear that. No.

Also, also making the, making the statement that there's no loyalty when there was. But it isn't though. There wasn't there wasn't. There wasn't to there wasn't. So it does exist. You can't say it don't exist because you didn't get your way because you did. They did give you everything you needed. Now, I think he's speaking more in general.

Like, why did he want to have the Clippers? Oh, because, hey, whatever our conversation was, it feels like I was going to get screwed. So I like... We all been on the team, man. We've seen shit. We've seen coaches talk shit to other players about that player and then talk to...

Like, I was on Philly when they was talking about... They were trying to decide between Lou Will and Eagle Dalla. It was going to be the man. And they won't... The college and... want little will to be in the all-star game because he wanted to represent the team so they pick Eagle Dollar to be in the all-star

team that year. He made people play Eagle Dollar. Damn. Damn, that's crazy. Remember? You remember I said a couple years ago, I said, hey, I want to see the coaches votes who they voted for.

The only vote we don't see, right, where they get their sheet and they vote, so we can see who they voting for, right? But Remember, I told you there's always collusion because I'm the Collins. I got friends. I got friends.

Yeah. Yeah. Lou Will was that. Yeah. I know, you know, y'all were dope over Eagle. We want him to represent like that happens. Remember, like I always said, listen, hey, I got Jaron Jackson Jr. right here. If he makes this team, he's worth 360.

I don't want him to make this team. So, hey, I have a million dollars that I can spend on you reporters to go to. other way. Hey, that's the same thing. Hey, that's full circle. That's full circle what I said about Cam Thomas, my nigga. That's the same thing I was saying about Cam. How the coach can do, coaches can do that shit to you. They can fuck you over. And if Cam is a new version of Lou Will, like Doc said, that same shit can happen to him and anybody else. Jonathan Cam Cam, Whitmore, all of these guys can fall into a bracket where the coach don't fuck with him. And the owner like, man, you know,

what? Send the memo out. We're not fucking with them. Do not fuck with him. Hey, who breathing on the mic? Who got that dog? That's Josiah. That's Josiah. I ain't breathed in 30 seconds.

I'll be sitting here in 10. Hey, mute Josiah, Mike. That's just stop. You put goddamn ass away from that microphone. The Nick Jr.? Nick's a minute. He went to school today. Am he going to the game tonight?

Am he going to the game? game tonight, man. Oh, you go, okay. Let's see, I see it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. USC Illinois, I imagine. All, wrap this up. Gil, damn.

You stop talking. I'll tell you, let me talk. Tomorrow. Ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate y'all pulling up to the virtual arena. We are working on a new location as we speak, but shout out to y'all. Thank you for

bearing through our Zoom meeting. Style episode. Hmm? You're not going to be. It's why we're not allowed. We're not allowed on the property. Never. That's fucked up, man.

For all eternity. On that note, shout out to everybody in the chat. No, I'm gonna go over there today. Nah, you gotta sit around your family. Yeah, now, you gotta be around your family. Hey, man, me don't go over there with our golf carts. Let's protest.

We're gonna protest. Ladies and gentlemen, the chat. If you're in LA, we're gonna protest in front of Gil's community. I'm fucking deaths. I gave the security guard. I can license. You can't do this shit during Black history muffed. Yeah, you be dapping the nigga up.

Hey, I see you. I see. You'd be dapping him up. You'd be doing too much daffing. You've dapped you love too many time. Everything. He said it's a tough crowd. Goon stones in the chat, man.

A little bit of how you been driving. You been stopping that stop signs. Nick here, man. I'm just trying to do my part. I'm sorry, man. Man, the motherfucker kick me out. Watch. I might run through the gate, man.

Appreciate everybody I appreciate everybody on this show This has been another episode of Gil's Virtual Arena presented by Underdog Woke Woot! We'll see y'all tomorrow